View Full Version : Why isn't Loki evil?

May 3rd, 2004, 01:02 PM
Loki is one of the major deities in the Norse pantheon. He is a son of the giant Farbauti ("cruel striker") and the giantess Laufey. He is regarded as one of Aesir, but is on occasion their enemy. He is connected with fire and magic, and can assume many different shapes (horse, falcon, fly). He is crafty and malicious, but is also heroic: in that aspect he can be compared with the trickster from North American myths. The ambivalent god grows progressively more unpleasent, and is directly responsible for the death of Balder, the god of light.
Loki's mistress is the giantess Angrboda, and with her he is the father of three monsters. His wife is Sigyn, who stayed loyal to him, even when the gods punished him for the death of Balder. He was chained to three large boulders; one under his shoulders, one under his loins and one under his knees. A poisonous snake was placed above his head. The dripping venom that lands on him is caught by Sigyn in a bowl. But every now and then, when the bowl is filled to the brim, she has to leave him to empty it. Then the poison that falls on Loki's face makes him twist in pain, causing earthquakes.
On the day of Ragnarok, Loki's chains will break and he will lead the giants into battle against the gods. Loki is often called the Sly One, the Trickster, the Shape Changer, and the Sky Traveler.

Why couldn’t he be an evil Asgard, instead of some scientist trying to help the Asgard evolutionary process? Loki being a scientist doesn’t match up at all with his status in mythology, IMO.

And he killed Baldyr in mythology.

The malicious trickster, Loki, was jealous of Balder. He changed his appearance and asked Frigg if there was absolutely nothing that could harm the god of light. Frigg, suspecting nothing, answered that there was just one thing: a small tree in the west that was called mistletoe. She had thought it was too small to ask for an oath. Loki immediately left for the west and returned with the mistletoe. He tricked Balder's blind twin brother Hod into throwing a mistletoe fig (dart) at Balder. Not knowing what he did, Hod threw the fig, guided by Loki's aim. Pierced through the heart, Balder fell dead.

While the gods were lamenting Balder's death, Odin sent his other son Hermod to Hel, the goddess of death, to plead for Balder's return. Hel agreed to send Balder back to the land of the living on one condition: everything in the world, dead or alive, must weep for him. And everything wept, except for Loki, who had disguised himself as the witch Thokk. And so Balder had to remain in the underworld.

Maybe Hermod and Hel could be Asgard rebels.

May 3rd, 2004, 04:27 PM
i think the main idea with the asgard is that they may have influenced human history a little and humans adopted some of them as gods, but not in the sense of the goa'uld who actually stayed here on earth

May 3rd, 2004, 04:37 PM
Well, some folks would consider experimenting on unwilling sentient subjects evil.

May 3rd, 2004, 05:04 PM
I've always considered Loki to be more mischevious than truly evil. A prankster, if you will. Maybe he is the Asgard version of Felger?

May 4th, 2004, 10:36 AM
I've always considered Loki to be more mischevious than truly evil. A prankster, if you will. Maybe he is the Asgard version of Felger?

1) Yes Loki was a trickster but he also brought on Ragnarok (the apocolispse)
2) Felger's not a trickster just a screw-up.

May 4th, 2004, 10:37 AM
hes not evil
hes just trying t save his race
altho hes not going t best way about it
hes just took it upon himself t do wat other asgard wont,
i mean its totally wrong and he has a lack of morality but hes not evil
deffinatly an asgard felger, trying t do the right thing but not quite getting it right!
luv Thera xxx

May 4th, 2004, 10:46 AM
I see Loki more like the guy in Reserrection. Trying to do good, but doing it in an amoral fashion.

IMO the only reason he doesn't come across with the same "evilness" is because he's a little grey guy and he's not a human actor. He did have the intent and forethought of using amoral means, two things Felger didn't have. :D

May 4th, 2004, 11:23 AM
But it would be pretty cool if there were an evil Asgard like Hel or Fenrir!

May 7th, 2004, 12:04 AM
erm.. Evil and Good are relative. I'm certain some people who are considered evil don't think of themselves as evil.

Supreme Commander Thor
May 7th, 2004, 12:32 AM
Performing unsanctioned human experiments on earthlings, or any other race, is considered dire by my people. For that, Loki got seriously busted when we found out what he was doing. In our nearest translation it would be said that he is evil. We do not stand for that type of behavior in a race as advanced as ours.

Mr Prophet
May 7th, 2004, 09:31 AM
Loki was a giant - an ettin - who befriended Odin and became his oath brother, but whose increasing bitterness and malcontent led him to betray the Aesir and ultimately resulted in Ragnarok.

An ettin, oath brother to the Aesir but betrayed them.

Goa'uld, allied with the Asgard but betrayed them.

I've said it in other threads and I'll say it again: What a waste!

May 7th, 2004, 09:46 AM
That would be good if a Asgard betrayed their race to the Gou'ald and they learned of their technologies and resources and used it against them. I'd like that to be a storyline actually, come to think of it

Loki was a prankster. He liked jokes but in a way that would help his people. A good Asgard but his intentions to others do not seem worthy

May 11th, 2004, 07:28 AM
I thought Loki was Mischief?
Or is there something similar I read about Egyptian?

Mr Prophet
May 11th, 2004, 08:31 AM
Loki was originally mischievous, but the only reaction he ever got from the Aesir was laughter; or recriminations for the tricks they didn't find funny. After a while this rankled and he grew bitter and resentful.

In the end his anger overflowed and he engineered the death of Baldur, who everyone loved although he never seemed to do very much. Pretty much it was downhill from there.

May 11th, 2004, 10:48 AM
I'm not very well versed in norse mythology but are there any good websites where I can read up about it or an recommended books? :)

Mr Prophet
May 11th, 2004, 02:03 PM
I'm not very well versed in norse mythology but are there any good websites where I can read up about it or an recommended books? :)

The Encyclopedia Mythica website is a good start; the articles are short but they cover a wide field.

Odens återkomst
May 15th, 2004, 04:18 PM
The Encyclopedia Mythica website is a good start; the articles are short but they cover a wide field.

The best start would be to read the younger and elder Eddas, in full.

May 15th, 2004, 09:37 PM
He is crafty and malicious, but is also heroic

well that does sound like Loki from SG-1

Crafty: when his people were busy recovering from the replicators he decided to sneak back to earth after hearing about O'Neill and he did it without the Asgard knowing (even thought they monitor all hyperspace activity at Earth

Malicious: was will to kidnap and experiment on people why creating clones that would die

Heroic: all he cared about is saving his people. he was doing the wrong thing but for all the fight reasons

May 15th, 2004, 10:45 PM
From what I've read, I thought they did a good job portraying Loki.

June 2nd, 2004, 09:59 PM
I don't think we know how the Asgard Loki acted in the many years before on earth with ancient Norse Mythology... he could have started off more mischevious and not so malicious and his personality could have shifted and changed over time as he realized it was a race against the clock with the clones, and decided to take more drastic measures.