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SMB_BOOKS
October 4th, 2007, 04:03 AM
Hello All!

First - thanks for all the support re: my post on JM's blog. I really appreciate your kind words. And to those of you who gave me green - well golly gee, thanks! This is a great way to start your day! :)

JM did unscreen my comment. I never thought he wouldn't post it. He has unscreened far more scathing comments than mine.

The bigger question is - will he respond to it? My first thought? Nah, he probably won't. But, that's okay. I said my piece and I did it respectfully which is what was important to me.

Have a great day!

g.o.d
October 4th, 2007, 04:08 AM
we are so evil!!!

Falcon Horus
October 4th, 2007, 04:16 AM
I have another song to add to the album. In some weird way the following reminds me of Joe and his relationship with the fans...

Within Temptation - What Have You Done (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEgXDhiayz4)

Southern Red
October 4th, 2007, 04:35 AM
Geez, I still miss the options of "Bad Writing", "Little contuinity", "Little to no Character development", "Arrogant behavior of PTB that alienates fans", "No character constansy", "Lack of direction", etc...

Why does JM keep missing these things a lot of us have been talking about since S2? The Character X and Character Y are really only issues for some people since the start of S4.

And since it seems JM reads the anti-threads, I hereby ask him kindly to elaborate on why he's still missing the options mentioned by me earlier in this post especially considering those have been the pet peeves of the Antis.


And, as I stated in an earlier post, he always manages to conviently miss the issues at hand whilst mocking everyone who's having citicism on the show.

Even since S9 we anti's have been complaining about the bad writing, total lack of contuinity, etc.. and yet he never, not even once, refuted that or even made a comment about it. It's always about people complaining about characters, sets, etc... but never does he defend the "creative decisions".

In my opinion the lack of such a response can be explained a few things:
1) They know the writing sucks and just don't care.
2) They honestly believe they are writing good stories.
3) The know but SciFi is telling them what to write so they can't change it.

It might even be a combination of these three options...

Anyway, I'll start taking JM serious again when he returns to Earth from his happy place and starts answering the tough questions. Because at the moment he's just acting like a little instigator with no sense of style nor class who is trying to mock the people he desperately needs to keep his job.

I second both of these. It would be nice if JM could extend the same respect to us that thoughtful posters like SMB_BOOKS have done to him.

I find it interesting that such a powerful influential executive producer of a TV show devotes practically an entire blog entry to a small powerless group of fans that just happen to disagree with his vision of his show. If we're so ignorant, shouldn't we be ignored?

Personally, I still plan to watch. He can't spoil it for me by deliberately misunderstanding my unhappiness with the show. I will get what enjoyment I can from the boys and the action. But if Teyla gets a new wig, I am outta there. ;)

Skydiver
October 4th, 2007, 04:48 AM
And, as I stated in an earlier post, he always manages to conviently miss the issues at hand whilst mocking everyone who's having citicism on the show.

he does love to rouse the rabble...which is why i don't go and read his blog. Over the years i have consistently watched him pit one 'side' against the other. post in a way as to 'calm things up' instead of debunking issues. It's like he likes to keep things stirred up and i have this mental image of him sitting in his office and watching the fan implosion and getting quite the chuckle out of it. Reading the fan wank could even be his lunchtime enjoyment...who knows.





In my opinion the lack of such a response can be explained a few things:
1) They know the writing sucks and just don't care.
2) They honestly believe they are writing good stories.
3) The know but SciFi is telling them what to write so they can't change it.



I don't see the first one. I think they think they are doing good stuff...and just can't figure out why we dont' like it.

skiffy 'consulting' could certainly be an issue. I know joe has said more than once (no, i don't go and read his blog but i do read bits posted here) that he has to send so and so script off to the network for approval

umm, APPROVAL????

why the heck hire a creative team if you're going to then tell them how to do their jobs?

Skydiver
October 4th, 2007, 04:51 AM
You know, it's an easy out to blame the anti's. As Skydiver said, he did it in S9 & 10 too.

Everyone says that "Those anti's are low in numbers" but yet we have enough number to change the ratings? Please. Make up your mind. :p

Oh, we also should be blaming magnets and Skydiver's noodle of doom for the 1.2. ;) Blame anything but the *real* problem.

Some people really feel the need to bash others to make themselves look good.
the silly thing about blaming the fans of a forum is....1.7 MILLION viewers - 1.2 in ratings.

we have about 30,000 members here. less than half that if you take out all the non-american members and various socks and the like.

even if every single one of the 30,000 members watched, we wouldn't even raise the ratings a fraction of a point. It would take HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of viewers to effect the ratings.

ratings wise, we don't count. so while that means that what we do really doeesn't make the ratings worse, we cant' make them any better either.

Southern Red
October 4th, 2007, 05:06 AM
the silly thing about blaming the fans of a forum is....1.7 MILLION viewers - 1.2 in ratings.

we have about 30,000 members here. less than half that if you take out all the non-american members and various socks and the like.

even if every single one of the 30,000 members watched, we wouldn't even raise the ratings a fraction of a point. It would take HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of viewers to effect the ratings.

ratings wise, we don't count. so while that means that what we do really doeesn't make the ratings worse, we cant' make them any better either.

I have wondered that same thing. Then why does he keep telling us to watch whenever ratings are mentioned? Surely he knows that we know how ratings are tabulated. Oh wait...he thinks we are ignorant and stupid.

You may be onto something. He is just stirring the pot to keep the wank going. For every angry letter that is posted on yet another SciFi website, SGA gets publicity. Our displeasure may cause some critic somewhere to take a look at the show who previously would have ignored it. He is using us to garner promo for the show. Fine with me. I don't mind being used to make a show I love better. If in fact that is the end result.

I encourage everyone to hold your nose and listen to the S4 commentaries. I've only done a few. You can only drink so much scotch at one time. But I've gotten a clear indication that TPTB think they are doing the best show evah. The gushing over Lucius was neverending, and they were genuinely perplexed that anyone could possibly be comparing what he did to date rape. Imagine the ignorance of people who think that. On all counts they believe that fans who disagree with their "vision" are just wrong. Yet as always, I am puzzled by the fact that some of them admit that when they sit down to do the commentary is the first time they have seen the finished show. If that's true, then we are indeed watching different versions, and certain things that come across one way to them come across completely different to us. To me, if a large part of your target audience misses the point, you are doing something wrong. Not them. But that's just me.

Falcon Horus
October 4th, 2007, 05:11 AM
You mean the S3 commentaries. :)

I watched Echoes with audio commentary yesterday and it was disappointing to say the least. Hello, if you don't know what to say than don't do an audio commentary.

The extra's on the season 10 DVD are disappointing (except the one about the Director of Photography), and the same goes for the audiocommentaries on the season 3 DVD of Atlantis. While the Profile on Rachel has me cringing beyond belief cause they managed to spell Teyla Emmagan wrong.

Southern Red
October 4th, 2007, 05:32 AM
You mean the S3 commentaries. :)

I watched Echoes with audio commentary yesterday and it was disappointing to say the least. Hello, if you don't know what to say than don't do an audio commentary.

The extra's on the season 10 DVD are disappointing (except the one about the Director of Photography), and the same goes for the audiocommentaries on the season 3 DVD of Atlantis. While the Profile on Rachel has me cringing beyond belief cause they managed to spell Teyla Emmagan wrong.

Oops. You're right, but I'm sure the S4 ones will be awful too. Especially if there are no actors and they don't actually talk about the episode.;)

I also thought the S3 extras were sub-par. Except maybe the makeup one. Though they did manage to show how the aging was done on JF for CG without actually showing JF. ??? No wonder his fans complain about the lack of him on the DVD's.

mcbarr
October 4th, 2007, 05:42 AM
The Stinky Sock Mix - Volume 1

1. Queen - Another One Bites The Dust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo)
2. KC & The Sunshine Band - Shake Your Booty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAt85hcaQNU)
3. Twisted Sisters - We're Not Gonna Take It (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjtg05HdwUg)
4. Village People - YMCA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcbBZSN4AIo) (JM)
5. Europe - The Final Countdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZkllM8znx4)
6. U2 - Sunday Bloody Sunday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBit83NpvN0)
7. The Who - Won't Get Fooled Again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3mi-bKtDGA)
8. REM - It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGqroT1FZ5Y)
9. Tina Turner - We Don't Need Another Hero (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGp-NMNU7_E)
10. Harvey Danger - Flagpole Sitta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xzxDRA93Nk)
11. Kaiser Chiefs - Every Day I Love You Less And Less (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQjpvEmpa6g)
12. Electrasy- Cosmic Castaway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65XUZWTHTMI)
13. The Offspring - Why Don't You Get A Job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXCKQNAV9fo) (JM)
14. Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw)
15. Metallica - King Nothing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3m4cypxU2I)
16. Sinead O'Connor - Fire On Babylon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfIF5tThR3Q)
17. The Cranberries - Zombie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJEySrDerj0)
18. Scissor Sisters - I Don't Feel Like Dancing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXZ1tygRaVw)
19. Bee Gees - Stayin' Alive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdv8Qi_k-I4)
20. Within Temptation - What Have You Done (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEgXDhiayz4)

As Paris suggested, 20 eps/20 anti-songs...

Should we make it a double album? :D

ToasterOnFire
October 4th, 2007, 05:43 AM
Congrads SMB_BOOKS for getting through!! :D


Oh, we also should be blaming magnets and Skydiver's noodle of doom for the 1.2. ;) Blame anything but the *real* problem.
Personally I'm going to blame:

-Global warming
-Magnets
-Pirates
-Canada! :P (hey, that may actually be a legit complaint, considering the Canadian dollar is strengthening against the USD)

Falcon Horus
October 4th, 2007, 05:52 AM
As Paris suggested, 20 eps/20 anti-songs...

Should we make it a double album? :D

It could be Anti-Album 1/2007, 2/2007, 3/2007, 4/2007 and start again in 2008....

mcbarr
October 4th, 2007, 06:19 AM
It could be Anti-Album 1/2007, 2/2007, 3/2007, 4/2007 and start again in 2008....

We are 9 albums late then. :S

Falcon Horus
October 4th, 2007, 06:29 AM
We are 9 albums late then. :S

So, it seems...

Skydiver
October 4th, 2007, 06:50 AM
You may be onto something. He is just stirring the pot to keep the wank going. For every angry letter that is posted on yet another SciFi website, SGA gets publicity. Our displeasure may cause some critic somewhere to take a look at the show who previously would have ignored it. He is using us to garner promo for the show. Fine with me. I don't mind being used to make a show I love better. If in fact that is the end result.

I honestly don't know if it's that deep or if it's just more fun to stir the pot, take bets on how long it takes the fandom to implode and then enjoy the show


I encourage everyone to hold your nose and listen to the S4 commentaries. I've only done a few. You can only drink so much scotch at one time. But I've gotten a clear indication that TPTB think they are doing the best show evah. The gushing over Lucius was neverending, and they were genuinely perplexed that anyone could possibly be comparing what he did to date rape. Imagine the ignorance of people who think that. On all counts they believe that fans who disagree with their "vision" are just wrong. Yet as always, I am puzzled by the fact that some of them admit that when they sit down to do the commentary is the first time they have seen the finished show. If that's true, then we are indeed watching different versions, and certain things that come across one way to them come across completely different to us. To me, if a large part of your target audience misses the point, you are doing something wrong. Not them. But that's just me.


the thing is, they watch it with different eyes. They watchit from the pov of an 'insider' who knows why this was done or why that was done. they watch it from the pov of a person who's the creator(s) of the work, thus are a bit attached to it.

IMHO, if they really want to get a hint as to how the general fan would act...pull in a few average people and have them look at it,o r read the script and give them an honest opinon.

but i don't see them doing that. Theyjust look at it from thier narrow little world and dont' worry about the input and opinions of others.

They're not willing or able to put themselves in the mindset of the average fan and 'pretend' to be something other than the show's creators.

and then, by the time we see it...well thanks to skiffy's holdback, they will be done taping the whole season in november or so, and we won't have even hit the mid season break yet

Vale_Sg1
October 4th, 2007, 06:55 AM
I posted my own very reasonable, very relaxed, and hopefully not too biased comment on JM's blog. Just as smb_books did, I posted under my GW name, even if I've been active here just for a few days (believe me, the thought to write something snarky in italian as my pseudonym did cross my mind). But alas, I forgot to save the comment somewhere else before I posted it. :weiranime32:. So I guess we'll know in a few hours if my diplomacy worked or not (if it didn't, I'll place the blame on them for not writing Elizabeth accurately enough for me to learn something from her).

And, let's go for a double album!!! Let's exorcise S5!!!

*waves sock*

ToasterOnFire
October 4th, 2007, 07:05 AM
I honestly don't know if it's that deep or if it's just more fun to stir the pot, take bets on how long it takes the fandom to implode and then enjoy the show
Yeah, take the recent comments about Trio, he basically stated "we shot a potential Sam/Jack scene...but then we cut it...so...yeah." Why else would one bring up such a big deal for S/J shippers only to yank the rug out from under them by saying it's not going to be in the final cut? I think this was a way to get a "pleasepleaseplease put it back in" response from the shippers, which it apparently did. And then they can only wait and hope and say nice things to Joe in an attempt to get that scene, which would have never happened if they never knew about that scene in the first place. Little bit of pot stirring there, IMO. ;)



IMHO, if they really want to get a hint as to how the general fan would act...pull in a few average people and have them look at it,o r read the script and give them an honest opinon.
I wonder how many shows do that. You'd think it would be beneficial to have as many eyes read the script as possible, saving time constraints, to make sure TPTB are saying what they want to say and not letting unintended things (date rape) slip through.

Anuna
October 4th, 2007, 08:29 AM
the thing is, they watch it with different eyes. They watchit from the pov of an 'insider' who knows why this was done or why that was done. they watch it from the pov of a person who's the creator(s) of the work, thus are a bit attached to it.

IMHO, if they really want to get a hint as to how the general fan would act...pull in a few average people and have them look at it,o r read the script and give them an honest opinon.

but i don't see them doing that. Theyjust look at it from thier narrow little world and dont' worry about the input and opinions of others.

They're not willing or able to put themselves in the mindset of the average fan and 'pretend' to be something other than the show's creators.

and then, by the time we see it...well thanks to skiffy's holdback, they will be done taping the whole season in november or so, and we won't have even hit the mid season break yet

Eh I may have to say something about this one. There is a thing called "group thinking"; one of the funny things about human cognition and the way it's influenced when a person finds himself or herself in a group - and all members of the said group share the same opinion. The group dynamics works as reinforcement and they simply strengthen the common POV, and the more it happens, the more likely they won't notice possible mistakes. That's why it's useful, when a group decides on an important matter, to have somebody play the 'devil's advocate' and question everything. They don't seem to do that. They remind me of a classical example for group thinking found in practically any social psychology book - Kennedy's advisers and the Bay of pigs. Those guys made exact same mistake - they never questioned their plans and decisions for the sake of loyalty to the group.




The problem, IMO, is that the writers have become their own mutual admiration society. They're good buddies now, and you know how it works if you badmouth one of your friends' work. I think Mallozzi would be withholding the chocolate and giving the cold shoulder, for a start.

You can't truly be unbiased if you're working with people who are close friends, as these people seem to be. They need an outsider with no agenda of "Oh, he's my buddy!" to look over these things.

How the evil Irr episode got past them is beyond me. Then again, maybe it's boys club mentality that thinks that kind of thing is funny.

There you go. Group thinking and loyalty. If every member of the group thinks certain episode is funny and clever - and you put them together - the result will be utter and blind admiration to their own work. Any outsider opinion that isn't the same as their will be dismissed.

Anuna
October 4th, 2007, 09:40 AM
It applies to everyone - any group you might find. It's scientifically proven ;) If the group holds positive opinion it gets reinforced. It's same for the opposite; if the group holds negative oppinion - it gets reinforced. That's why people don't get smarter when dealing with people who tthink same as them. :D

nowvoyager908
October 4th, 2007, 09:44 AM
It applies to everyone - any group you might find. It's scientifically proven ;) If the group holds positive opinion it gets reinforced. It's same for the opposite; if the group holds negative oppinion - it gets reinforced. That's why people don't get smarter when dealing with people who tthink same as them. :D


Sorry. I think you were responding to my post, which I deleted while trying to edit it. So much for my delusions of being computer saavy. :S

Anuna
October 4th, 2007, 09:48 AM
Sorry. I think you were responding to my post, which I deleted while trying to edit it. So much for my delusions of being computer saavy. :S

I was actually responding to your post, but I added few things! Sorry ;)

Skydiver
October 4th, 2007, 09:49 AM
Eh I may have to say something about this one. There is a thing called "group thinking"; one of the funny things about human cognition and the way it's influenced when a person finds himself or herself in a group - and all members of the said group share the same opinion. The group dynamics works as reinforcement and they simply strengthen the common POV, and the more it happens, the more likely they won't notice possible mistakes.

and it happens amongst the boys at bridge with depressing regularity

No one questins : umm,just where did vala get that gun? or 'why don't they just shoot him' or any other group of questions, so plot holes get ignored and the mutual admiration society lives on...and that pesky emperor is still buck nekkid :)

Anuna
October 4th, 2007, 09:52 AM
and it happens amongst the boys at bridge with depressing regularity

No one questins : umm,just where did vala get that gun? or 'why don't they just shoot him' or any other group of questions, so plot holes get ignored and the mutual admiration society lives on...and that pesky emperor is still buck nekkid :)

Yeah it works like that exactly! People outside the group see it, but the group is blind. Daaamn blind!

Vale_Sg1
October 4th, 2007, 10:07 AM
JM unscreened my comment. :cool:

I was rather amused by the fact that there are way less diplomatic comments in there. Or maybe he's planning on picking on them in his next post. Who knows.

Hello Joe, greetings from Italy!

So, first time poster here, even if I've dropped by occasionally to read some news and musings about my favorite show.

Now, I won't comment on ratings: there are too many factors to take into account here, so we'll see how the season develops.

Anti-S4 fans active on forums aren't enough to make a difference in ratings (as you rightly point out), and remember that most of them are still watching the show at this point.

That's why I think you shouldn't hurl yourself against them. The reasons you point out in your post are of course ironic, but idle, and for most watchers they constitute the last proverbial straw.

People are known to have different tastes, and will watch (and praise) a show when that show pleases their expectations / is entertaining for them.You can't make everyone happy, I think you're perfectly aware of that.

Now, consider that these lemmings / gleeful haters / whatever, are, as a matter of fact, still in the loop. You have a better chance at regaining them as viewers than a casual viewer who's not invested in the show.

They might watch S4 and see that it's not as bad as they thought, or take a few episodes off and then go back, if the show can pique their interest again.

I'm quoting a personal experience here. I had a brief period when I was watching SG1 only occasionally, namely S8 and 9, but in the end, I went back. And I'm not sure I would have if I hadn't been around in fandom during that personal hiatus.

nowvoyager908
October 4th, 2007, 11:10 AM
Yeah it works like that exactly! People outside the group see it, but the group is blind. Daaamn blind!


Well if that is the case, then these less than stellar ratings should be a real kick in the gut. :S

I am curious though about the whole DVR contoversy. My understanding was that SciFi's income (or any channel) was based on selling advertising space. And advertisers buy space based on promised audience figures (pure numbers, as well as the right demographic). Now, I use an old fashioned VCR, but when I record anything, it conveniently marks and fast forwards through all the commercials (saving me from having to do the same). So unless advertisers can figure out a way to determine if those who record also watch the commercials (Big Brother anyone?), why would those numbers be of any use?

There is a reason why advertisers spend big bucks on Super Bowl ads. They know it is a huge audience that watches live and, unless they take a potty break, will be watching the commercials. Do you think advertisers would jump through hoops to film bigger and better commercials if they thought that a large percentage of audience taped the game?

I wish I had a idea of how tracking DVR numbers benefits advertisers, and by extension the channels who depend on selling space to survive.

mcbarr
October 4th, 2007, 12:24 PM
Anti-Album #2:

1. Queen - We Will Rock You (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v660764MdpaPaY8)
2. AC/DC - Highway To Hell (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1043860mXAfY79s)
.
.
.
.


;)

Anuna
October 4th, 2007, 12:29 PM
Add also: Chris Rea - The road to hell! and Eric Clapton - I shot the sherrif.

Oooh wait. Don't forget this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZUHFuklo8 Toby Keith and Willie Nelson - Beer for my horses

Listen to the words and make sure you notice who makes a special appereance on this video!

mcbarr
October 4th, 2007, 12:50 PM
Anti-Album #2:

1. Queen - We Will Rock You (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v660764MdpaPaY8)
2. AC/DC - Highway To Hell (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1043860mXAfY79s)
3. Chris Rea - The Road To Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=060hM-JVClg)
4. Eric Clapton - I Shot The Sheriff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UddURb0alQc)
5. Toby Keith & Willie Nelson - Beer For My Horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZUHFuklo8)
.
.
.
.


Done.

Is that :jonas:? LOL

Skydiver
October 4th, 2007, 01:02 PM
yep, corin is in that video..in drag.

I think it was done as a favor for a friend, but i'm not sure

Suzotchka
October 4th, 2007, 01:24 PM
We should add the theme to SpongeBob Squarepants to our album. Especially since SpongeBob is visiting Atlantis this year.

Atlantis Squarepantis! :P :D

Edit for picture:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Suzotchka/Square.jpg

Anuna
October 4th, 2007, 01:28 PM
Done.

Is that :jonas:? LOL

Yup it's Corin and I find that a reeeally great symblism, given how he left SG - 1.

Vale_Sg1
October 4th, 2007, 01:56 PM
We should add the theme to SpongeBob Squarepants to our album. Especially since SpongeBob is visiting Atlantis this year.

Atlantis Squarepantis! :P :D

Edit for picture:

*snorts tea all over her computer screen*

Ahh, too bad I can't green you!!! :weiranime22:

parisindy
October 4th, 2007, 02:07 PM
the thing is, they watch it with different eyes. They watchit from the pov of an 'insider' who knows why this was done or why that was done. they watch it from the pov of a person who's the creator(s) of the work, thus are a bit attached to it.

IMHO, if they really want to get a hint as to how the general fan would act...pull in a few average people and have them look at it,o r read the script and give them an honest opinon.

but i don't see them doing that. Theyjust look at it from thier narrow little world and dont' worry about the input and opinions of others.

They're not willing or able to put themselves in the mindset of the average fan and 'pretend' to be something other than the show's creators.

and then, by the time we see it...well thanks to skiffy's holdback, they will be done taping the whole season in november or so, and we won't have even hit the mid season break yet

Most shows do have Focus groups though... (not that i am defending them)
its one of the reasons i have heard for them getting ride of weir and carson...
though i still think thats totally bogus

PG15
October 4th, 2007, 03:23 PM
OMG, poor thing. Antis have destroyed his ratings? Bad bad BAAAD antis!!!

That's not even CLOSE to what he's saying...

Read his comments again: Anti's aren't lowering the ratings, it's what they attribute the rating losses to that he is criticising.

mcbarr
October 4th, 2007, 03:28 PM
We should add the theme to SpongeBob Squarepants to our album. Especially since SpongeBob is visiting Atlantis this year.

Atlantis Squarepantis! :P :D

Edit for picture:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Suzotchka/Square.jpg

This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsgmy6XO2o


Yup it's Corin and I find that a reeeally great symblism, given how he left SG - 1.

It is indeed. :)

Ruined_puzzle
October 4th, 2007, 03:29 PM
That's not even CLOSE to what he's saying...

Read his comments again: Anti's aren't lowering the ratings, it's what they attribute the rating losses to that he is criticising.

I thought Anuna was talking about Val Kilmer since you know he's obviously in the world to destroy SGA.

I love how when JM says something is criticizing but when other people do it, it's bashing. :rolleyes:

PG15
October 4th, 2007, 03:30 PM
Fine.

Read his comments again: Anti's aren't lowering the ratings, it's what they attribute the rating losses to that he is bashing.

The basic point's still there though.

nowvoyager908
October 4th, 2007, 04:03 PM
Fine.

Read his comments again: Anti's aren't lowering the ratings, it's what they attribute the rating losses to that he is bashing.

The basic point's still there though.


His comments remind me of something I heard on Real Time with Bill Maher. To paraphrase - Instead of talking about SGA, he's talking about the viewers who are talking about SGA.

The point of the comment on Real Time was that when a group starts to loose control of a situation, they often try to redirect the conversation to something else, taking heat off themselves in the process. I think it works in this situation as well.

PG15
October 4th, 2007, 04:09 PM
I don't see how this applies. True, he talked about the anti-season 4 peeps, but he also talks about food, dogs, and books. It just seems like another point of discussion on his blog. And, you really can't deny that what he's saying is indeed happening, it's just not as prevalent here as it is on...I don't know, LiveJournal?

Oh, and since this does relate to this thread now:


SMB_Books writes: “Indicating that a group of fans (“former” or not) are demonstrating an “inhuman amount of ignorance” is an interesting tactic to take…”

Answer: Specifically, I said that those fans who consider the obvious effects the internet, and the proliferation of channels have had on television ratings (and not just ours) as nothing more than excuses demonstrate an inhuman amount of ignorance - and I’ll stand by that statement. To completely dismiss the influence of all of the aforementioned is just downright silly. And to be perfectly honest, given your intelligent and well-argued past comments, I’m surprised you vehemently disagree.

SMB Books also writes: “ I have posted in the anti-season 4 thread on GW. From my observation, I can tell you there appear to be different kinds of fans who post in that thread.”

Answer: And there are fans who have posted their criticisms here as well. But there’s a big difference between someone criticizing changes in the show and someone claiming they have abandoned the show (the “former” fans) who nevertheless take the time to remain active criticizing a show they no longer watch AND enthusiastically root for its cancellation. In the case of the first group of critics - hey, so long as their posts are respectful, they’ll always have a forum here. In the case of the latter, I’d say their pointless behavior is fair game.

Louise writes: “Whilst the changes made to casting will obviously not be the only factor in affecting the show’s viewing figures, to say they have no effect is equally ridiculous.”

Answer: Where did I say, or even infer, that creative decisions have no effect on a show’s viewing figures?

I wonder if people will give Joe a break when he actually answered the comments that so many people predicted he wouldn't.

EDIT: And while I'm here visiting...


Yeah, take the recent comments about Trio, he basically stated "we shot a potential Sam/Jack scene...but then we cut it...so...yeah." Why else would one bring up such a big deal for S/J shippers only to yank the rug out from under them by saying it's not going to be in the final cut? I think this was a way to get a "pleasepleaseplease put it back in" response from the shippers, which it apparently did. And then they can only wait and hope and say nice things to Joe in an attempt to get that scene, which would have never happened if they never knew about that scene in the first place. Little bit of pot stirring there, IMO. ;)


Joe talked about that scene ages ago, way before they started editing and cutting...or perhaps even shooting the episode, so it's not like he's just telling them today along with the news that it won't be there.

Suzotchka
October 4th, 2007, 04:45 PM
Just because one is anti (and speaking for this anti) - does not mean they want the show to fail. It does not mean they want others to not enjoy the show. It means, for me, that I loved the show so much, and the way I see it going now is very sad. I want it restored to it's former glory, and I won't accept anything less.

People can share my opinion or not. It doesn't matter. My opinion is just that - my opinion.

As I said before there are *many* reasons for the fall in ratings. NOTHING can be excluded.

parisindy
October 4th, 2007, 04:54 PM
I wonder if people will give Joe a break when he actually answered the comments that so many people predicted he wouldn't.



lets see... hmm

he helped to destroy the show i loved and has insulted my friends...

oh yeah i'll give him a break :rolleyes:

but of course my posts can be removed... his won't ever be

i think his damned blog has done more harm then it ever has good and i refuse to read it

ses110
October 4th, 2007, 06:02 PM
Spoilers for Trio

My problem is why is Joe talking about something like it's a sure thing and now we hear it's not. Whether you like the Ship or not, The Shippers have been put through alot and it is another example of TPTB letting down the Fanbase. Joe knows things get cut and that's fine. All he had to do is not mention it until he knew the situation.

Skydiver
October 4th, 2007, 06:20 PM
yeah.

I know he's trying to be nice by releasing spoilers, and i know that folks appreciate it...but you know...joe knows the fandom. and he knows what will rile folks up.

so why bring up contentious issues? Why get folks hopes up over something that's a hot button issue?

why not wait until you know for sure, then spill the beans.

ses110
October 4th, 2007, 06:22 PM
There is no excuse on this one Skydiver. Know one can defend Joe about this. Joe is not a rookie who does not understand the TV production side.

PG15
October 4th, 2007, 06:22 PM
Spoilers for Trio

My problem is why is Joe talking about something like it's a sure thing and now we hear it's not. Whether you like the Ship or not, The Shippers have been put through alot and it is another example of TPTB letting down the Fanbase. Joe knows things get cut and that's fine. All he had to do is not mention it until he knew the situation.

Call it a slip up, then. I doubt he did it with malicious intent towards the shippers (especially when he is one, as he said so himself), but alas, such is the work of the Editor. As an amature script-writer myself, there is actually quite a lot to cut that just hurts when you're the one who originally wrote it.

You have also pinpointed the PRECISE reason why Joe answers a lot of the questions with "maybe"'s and "possibly"'s (and of course, fans complain about this vagueness too). Either way, it's been shot, and it can't be unshot (cookies for those who get the reference), so it's there. It might be on the DVDs.

ses110
October 4th, 2007, 06:31 PM
Spoilers for Trio

What if someone does not want to buy the DVD? No offense to McKay and his Fans but would it really hurt to cut McKay's lines for once and have this Sam/Keller scene kept. I could be wrong but I though a big point of this episode was Sam and Keller bonding? IMO these character building scenes are very important. Not to mention Sam/Jack Shippers have not had much to celebrate for some time.

VSS
October 4th, 2007, 06:34 PM
Yeah, take the recent comments about Trio, he basically stated "we shot a potential Sam/Jack scene...but then we cut it...so...yeah." Why else would one bring up such a big deal for S/J shippers only to yank the rug out from under them by saying it's not going to be in the final cut? I think this was a way to get a "pleasepleaseplease put it back in" response from the shippers, which it apparently did. And then they can only wait and hope and say nice things to Joe in an attempt to get that scene, which would have never happened if they never knew about that scene in the first place. Little bit of pot stirring there, IMO. ;)



I'm a new Atlantis fan (or was trying to be, I guess) and that little bit of unpleasantness did make me wonder what kind of operation they've got going over there. Why would anybody try to rile up the fans, especially over a comment by Sam which is probably only a few seconds long? It makes no sense. I've read about what's been happening (or will happen to) the other characters on Atlantis, as well. You know, everyone has their own reasons for watching Atlantis. It's a given that we all like sci-fi, but then we like to focus on diferent things about the show, whether its tech, or aliens, spaceships or relationships, or a combination of the above. Over the course of this season it seems like TPTB will have succeeded in alienating a pretty large number of fans. I don't understand that, considering the past success of the Stargate franchise. You'd think they'd have this figured out by now.

mcbarr
October 4th, 2007, 06:38 PM
His comments remind me of something I heard on Real Time with Bill Maher. To paraphrase - Instead of talking about SGA, he's talking about the viewers who are talking about SGA.

The point of the comment on Real Time was that when a group starts to loose control of a situation, they often try to redirect the conversation to something else, taking heat off themselves in the process. I think it works in this situation as well.

That's quite true. Actually, I wonder how JM & Co. would have spun it if Adrift had scored 1.7/1.8. Now, God forbid Antis suggest for a split second SGA lost viewers due to the crappy cast changes. Meanwhile, episodes such as Lifeline and Doppelganger are promptly available online... :rolleyes:

Skydiver
October 4th, 2007, 06:40 PM
There is no excuse on this one Skydiver. Know one can defend Joe about this. Joe is not a rookie who does not understand the TV production side.
i'm not defending him as much as i'm playing the devil's advocate.

and actually, i don't agree with his riling up the fans. He's been doing it for years and i've gotten very tired of it. I've watched him 'calm up' situation after situation. I've watched him bait people. I've watched him mock people.

and, honestly, i don't think he has much respect for folks. Yes, i know that he gets a lot of crud on his blog. And i know he's been the recipient of no small amount of nastiness. However, his blog is moderated, he doesn't have to let through what he lets through. He doesn't have to respond the way he does. He could be interacting in a professional and calm manner, but instead he likes to rouse the rabble. Whatever

he has fun doing it. and it's his blog. He can act however he wants to act.

At the end of the day, he doesn't answer to us per se. He answers to his bosses. and, eventually, his riling is gonna come back and bite him in the tush

ses110
October 4th, 2007, 06:41 PM
The problem is TPTB like RDA and Gekko, Who had a big hand in the success of SG-1 are not involved with Atlantis.The SciFi TPTB also are a big problem IMO. I could be wrong but I think Showtime let RDA and Gekko run the Show.

Skydiver
October 4th, 2007, 06:57 PM
yeah, i think they did too. and i agree, gekko makes shows that are to my taste.

I think they were very good at balancing humor and taste, fun with dignity.

and, while they kept thier distance from the fans, i don't think that was necessarily a bad thing.

ses110
October 4th, 2007, 07:01 PM
Gekko also seemed to keep there distance from the Actors. I never noticed one or two of the Actors getting the majority of the screentime. IMO TPTB of Atlantis have gotten very close to one or two of the Actors and the show has been build around those two Actors. Maybe this year will be different. It's remains to be seen. IMO just like in non hollywood jobs it is important for the boss and co-workers not to be too close. It makes having to make tough decisions that much harder. There has to be a seperation.

scififreak23
October 4th, 2007, 07:02 PM
another problem is the writers.I just watched the premire of supernatural.. and they had the same problem with the cast changes like we did.TPTB wanted them to hire two female leads into the show.Krpike however did a fantastic job of putting them in. I mean seriously he turned katie cassidy into demon hunting killing machine!
Oh..shout out to kavanaugh and his "Here's johnny" line.Nice shoutout to the shining did a fantastic job as the demon(sin) of pride.The writers on atlantis did not handle the cast changes as well as they should have. Even though i don't like carter i'll admit that she was really strong in sg-1 and she never did any forced acting. In SGA she's not like that. It's like the writers forced her into her own role to put her in atlantis.

VSS
October 4th, 2007, 07:11 PM
another problem is the writers.I just watched the premire of supernatural.. and they had the same problem with the cast changes like we did.TPTB wanted them to hire two female leads into the show.Krpike however did a fantastic job of putting them in. I mean seriously he turned katie cassidy into demon hunting killing machine!
Oh..shout out to kavanaugh and his "Here's johnny" line.Nice shoutout to the shining did a fantastic job as the demon(sin) of pride.The writers on atlantis did not handle the cast changes as well as they should have. Even though i don't like carter i'll admit that she was really strong in sg-1 and she never did any forced acting. In SGA she's not like that. It's like the writers forced her into her own role to put her in atlantis.

Yeah, AT has said as much, although in a carefully crafted way. There are Carter fans who would agree with you on this. I'm hoping it was just an off ep for her, but then I'm not sure if I'm going to be watching Atlantis.

parisindy
October 4th, 2007, 07:34 PM
i have to say i have enjoyed reading this conversation

who was responsible for Sateda?

edited to say... Welcome VastlySuperiorStuff... i like your avatar... :)

ToasterOnFire
October 4th, 2007, 07:59 PM
I wonder if people will give Joe a break when he actually answered the comments that so many people predicted he wouldn't.
I am glad to see that he clarified his comments (though it reminds me of the clarifications made after that infamous lemming comment... :P).


(Trio)Joe talked about that scene ages ago, way before they started editing and cutting...or perhaps even shooting the episode, so it's not like he's just telling them today along with the news that it won't be there.
Oh, I didn't know that he had mentioned it earlier. So there was more of a build up before the sudden disappointment. I wonder which scenario is worse for a shipper?


That's quite true. Actually, I wonder how JM & Co. would have spun it if Adrift had scored 1.7/1.8.
If Adrift had gotten decent ratings I'm sure there would have been some sort of smug dig made at the antis. We're always in his thoughts, apparently. :D


who was responsible for Sateda?
It was written and directed by Cooper.

parisindy
October 4th, 2007, 09:04 PM
It was written and directed by Cooper.

i really liked that one...

PG15
October 4th, 2007, 09:09 PM
Spoilers for Trio

What if someone does not want to buy the DVD? No offense to McKay and his Fans but would it really hurt to cut McKay's lines for once and have this Sam/Keller scene kept. I could be wrong but I though a big point of this episode was Sam and Keller bonding? IMO these character building scenes are very important. Not to mention Sam/Jack Shippers have not had much to celebrate for some time.

Well...neither of us know why that scene was cut (and the thread has a spoiler warning, so I won't bother with the tags, if you don't mind), so...well, who knows. Maybe there was too much plot or something.

Anuna
October 5th, 2007, 12:46 AM
I thought Anuna was talking about Val Kilmer since you know he's obviously in the world to destroy SGA.

I love how when JM says something is criticizing but when other people do it, it's bashing. :rolleyes:

I was actually joking at my own expense, and yes, I did mention the baaad Val Kilmer.


His comments remind me of something I heard on Real Time with Bill Maher. To paraphrase - Instead of talking about SGA, he's talking about the viewers who are talking about SGA.

The point of the comment on Real Time was that when a group starts to loose control of a situation, they often try to redirect the conversation to something else, taking heat off themselves in the process. I think it works in this situation as well.

And in doing so the group gains a sense of control they lack.


Just because one is anti (and speaking for this anti) - does not mean they want the show to fail. It does not mean they want others to not enjoy the show. It means, for me, that I loved the show so much, and the way I see it going now is very sad. I want it restored to it's former glory, and I won't accept anything less.

People can share my opinion or not. It doesn't matter. My opinion is just that - my opinion.

As I said before there are *many* reasons for the fall in ratings. NOTHING can be excluded.

I agree Suz. I hate to see what I love about this show to be turned upside down, inside out and then gone (probably for good). I'd love this show to become better but to me - and that is my personal and subjective opinion that I'm entitled too - without that one thing I like it simply can't be better. It's like taking the chocolate out of chocolate cake. I don't want vanilla or anything else. It's that simple to me.


yeah.

I know he's trying to be nice by releasing spoilers, and i know that folks appreciate it...but you know...joe knows the fandom. and he knows what will rile folks up.

so why bring up contentious issues? Why get folks hopes up over something that's a hot button issue?

why not wait until you know for sure, then spill the beans.

Because he has fun doing it?!


i'm not defending him as much as i'm playing the devil's advocate.

and actually, i don't agree with his riling up the fans. He's been doing it for years and i've gotten very tired of it. I've watched him 'calm up' situation after situation. I've watched him bait people. I've watched him mock people.

and, honestly, i don't think he has much respect for folks. Yes, i know that he gets a lot of crud on his blog. And i know he's been the recipient of no small amount of nastiness. However, his blog is moderated, he doesn't have to let through what he lets through. He doesn't have to respond the way he does. He could be interacting in a professional and calm manner, but instead he likes to rouse the rabble. Whatever

he has fun doing it. and it's his blog. He can act however he wants to act.

At the end of the day, he doesn't answer to us per se. He answers to his bosses. and, eventually, his riling is gonna come back and bite him in the tush

Yes it's his blog and he chooses what he does and how he does it. The way he responds sends a message of lack of respect towards people (and to me it seems he gets a pretty good kick when people go crazy because things he said).

You know we who don't like where this is going are still human beings and we also like to be treated with dignity.


yeah, i think they did too. and i agree, gekko makes shows that are to my taste.

I think they were very good at balancing humor and taste, fun with dignity.

and, while they kept thier distance from the fans, i don't think that was necessarily a bad thing.

It probably wasn't a bad thing. The early years of SG - 1 hold a special place in my heart. That show was at it's best from seasons 1 to 4.

AutumnDream
October 5th, 2007, 12:50 AM
i really liked that one...

I really liked Runner, which was also his work. Hopefully the next episode he writes won't be 94% action scenes like Sateda was!

Anuna
October 5th, 2007, 12:59 AM
I really liked Runner, which was also his work. Hopefully the next episode he writes won't be 94% action scenes like Sateda was!

To me it was just another average episode. *shrugs*

g.o.d
October 5th, 2007, 01:45 AM
To me it was just another average episode. *shrugs*

another boring and silly episode to me

Gregorius
October 5th, 2007, 01:50 AM
Sateda to me was a welcome episode considering the ones that came before it...

g.o.d
October 5th, 2007, 01:54 AM
Sateda to me was a welcome episode considering the ones that came before it...

I never liked Matrix:) but, you're right.

Anuna
October 5th, 2007, 01:54 AM
Actually, thinking about S3, Echoes; CG, TRW and Tao are my favorites. The rest of it... naaah really.

g.o.d
October 5th, 2007, 01:58 AM
Actually, thinking about S3, Echoes; CG, TRW and Tao are my favorites. The rest of it... naaah really.


I agree with Echoes, CG and Tao. But the rest....:rolleyes::S

Anuna
October 5th, 2007, 02:13 AM
CG got me really upset. I still get upset when I watch it. That's a good sign. ;) I love TRW because of Weir.

VSS
October 5th, 2007, 02:31 AM
See, these last few posts are what I mean by everyone having their own reasons for liking (or disliking) Atlantis. And I agree with Anuna that seasons 1-4 of Stargate were able to balance all the different, and sometimes competing, themes of Stargate very well. Atlantis is a different show though- and I get the feeling that, from the beginning, the vision for it wasn't as well worked out.

Anuna
October 5th, 2007, 02:33 AM
See, these last few posts are what I mean by everyone having their own reasons for liking (or disliking) Atlantis. And I agree with Anuna that seasons 1-4 of Stargate were able to balance all the different, and sometimes competing, themes of Stargate very well. Atlantis is a different show though- and I get the feeling that, from the beginning, the vision for it wasn't as well worked out.

I agree on this. i have this feeling that writers and producers haven't decided where the story is going. There should be a general idea at least... but strangely they choose the tactic of shocking people out of their bones by killing off characters. That doesn't work for me.

SMB_BOOKS
October 5th, 2007, 04:18 AM
Hello All!

Just wanted to share my response to Joe's response to my post. :) In spoiler tags so those who don't care can breeze right past.


Joe –

First, thank you for responding to my post. It would have been easy to just let me have my rant and ignore it, but you chose to address my comments and I appreciate that.

And now, on to the tennis match…. =)

“To completely dismiss the influence of all of the aforementioned is just downright silly. And to be perfectly honest, given your intelligent and well-argued past comments, I’m surprised you vehemently disagree.”

Actually, I don’t vehemently disagree with your assertion that there are other things that will affect the ratings. As I stated in my post, I do think the cast changes WILL have an affect on the ratings, but I don’t presume to think that will be the only thing that will affect the ratings.

What I disagreed with was your decision to use the words “inhuman amount of ignorance”. Granted, that may be your genuine feeling on the matter, but is labeling a group of fans in that manner necessary? Keep in mind that some may truly be former, and some may still be hanging in there, hoping against hope that things might change again in Season 5.

“But there’s a big difference between someone criticizing changes in the show and someone claiming they have abandoned the show (the “former” fans) who nevertheless take the time to remain active criticizing a show they no longer watch AND enthusiastically root for its cancellation.”

Yes, there is a difference. I will not attempt to speak for the group of folks out there who truly wish the show would get canceled. I’m still in that group that is hoping we get a Season 5 so I have a chance for many more episodes with my favorite character returning to the team. I do have a chance, don’t I?

And a completely unrelated question – if email for you is sent to the Bridge Studios general email inbox, will it get forwarded to you?

SMB_BOOKS

Happy Friday!

Skydiver
October 5th, 2007, 04:36 AM
coop does a wonderful job if he's writing or directing. I think the smaller focus of a single episode is easier to handle than keeping an eye on the 'big picture'

that, to me, seems to be his biggest weakness. he gets so caught up in 'won't this ship look cool?' 'let's do this' or 'let's do that' and forgets that, in the role as show runner, he needs to step back and see how all that 'cool' stuff fits in with the show as a whole, not just one episode

justhere1971
October 5th, 2007, 04:39 AM
PG15

Here's how I took his answers:


SMB_Books writes: “Indicating that a group of fans (“former” or not) are demonstrating an “inhuman amount of ignorance” is an interesting tactic to take…”

Answer: Specifically, I said that those fans who consider the obvious effects the internet, and the proliferation of channels have had on television ratings (and not just ours) as nothing more than excuses demonstrate an inhuman amount of ignorance - and I’ll stand by that statement. To completely dismiss the influence of all of the aforementioned is just downright silly. And to be perfectly honest, given your intelligent and well-argued past comments, I’m surprised you vehemently disagree.

Look how he makes even a compliment sound condescending. He's pointing out that SMB is smart, but he can't see why she/he is not seeing JM's way of thinking. By his own admission on many previous entries, we're a small minority, yet he points a finger when the ratings start going down ... and groups us all in there.


SMB Books also writes: “ I have posted in the anti-season 4 thread on GW. From my observation, I can tell you there appear to be different kinds of fans who post in that thread.”

Answer: And there are fans who have posted their criticisms here as well. But there’s a big difference between someone criticizing changes in the show and someone claiming they have abandoned the show (the “former” fans) who nevertheless take the time to remain active criticizing a show they no longer watch AND enthusiastically root for its cancellation. In the case of the first group of critics - hey, so long as their posts are respectful, they’ll always have a forum here. In the case of the latter, I’d say their pointless behavior is fair game.

Just like his harassing the fans, belittling them in his blog by even resorting to calling them names is. He chooses to rile the fans. It's his single decision. If he did not want to, he could've not unscreened the comments. He enjoys the fighting. I suspect he looks forward to it a bit. Respectful posts go both ways --- I have personally witnessed him editing his blog. He'd say something inflammatory, and go back edit his own posts. I know, because I was trying to reply day before yesterday, and when I went to recheck the comment -- it was no longer there. It would stand to reason, if I've seen it and was ready to reply on that part, other have done the same.


Louise writes: “Whilst the changes made to casting will obviously not be the only factor in affecting the show’s viewing figures, to say they have no effect is equally ridiculous.”

Answer: Where did I say, or even infer, that creative decisions have no effect on a show’s viewing figures?

Numerous times, by pointing out that we are a small minority who disagree w/ the changes. By saying Carter will take over (I am paraphrasing). He may have been only joking, but he knew the effect it would cause.

I honestly believe his blog does more harm than good. If he simply posted an occasional picture of the set/cast/crew and left it at that, it would not spiral to this level. If he censored the postings maturely it would not spiral to this level. People will complain, it's the nature of us. Why chose to answer if he thinks we are obviously morons who know nothing of how the show runs? How the ratings go? It's frustrating.

JT

Anuna
October 5th, 2007, 04:55 AM
Exactly JT. If one doesn't want to cause trouble, one simply ignores certain comments and posts. That's my tactic at least and it works. I could also call people names but I don't want to waste my energy on that.

To me it sounds as if SMB dissapointed him. What? She doesn't agree on everything with him and therefore she isn't reasonable any more?! He likes to cause trouble. he enjoys watching varoius fan groupings fight. He finds it amusing. I don't think it's funny or smart or mature; or suitable for a grown up professional who runs a TV show.

Suzotchka
October 5th, 2007, 06:09 AM
I don't even bother reading his blog anymore. If I want to see what he has to say, I just go to the GW thread.

silkie
October 5th, 2007, 06:11 AM
I don't even bother reading his blog anymore. If I want to see what he has to say, I just go to the GW thread.

Yes, but then you miss the comments to what he says that sometimes are funnier than whatever he posts :)

TheReturnOfTheLantian
October 5th, 2007, 06:27 AM
Originally Posted by mcbarr
That's quite true. Actually, I wonder how JM & Co. would have spun it if Adrift had scored 1.7/1.8.

well for saying it's only air'd in the US what about the other countrie's around the world how love the show. might double 1.7/1.8 but how the hell do they come up with these rating's?

Anuna
October 5th, 2007, 06:38 AM
I think it's american ratings that count. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Skydiver
October 5th, 2007, 06:43 AM
I don't even bother reading his blog anymore. If I want to see what he has to say, I just go to the GW thread.
that's what i do. I'm not gonna add to the hit count.

and as to ratings, the us ones are all skiffy cares about. MGM will care about the others since they'll make money off the syndie rights and merchandise while skiffy won't

Vale_Sg1
October 5th, 2007, 06:48 AM
well for saying it's only air'd in the US what about the other countrie's around the world how love the show. might double 1.7/1.8 but how the hell do they come up with these rating's?

Ratings outside the US don't count. Sci-fi and the advertisers who have paid to have their commercial shown during the SGA episodes don't make money out of syndication in foreign countries.

MGM might take the issue into account, though, and push / not push for a S5 accordingly, as the DVDs / merchandise sold across the world bring money into their pockets.

But I guess Sci-fi has the final say on this.

Edit:Whoops, sky got there first. Gotta type faster. :P

mcbarr
October 5th, 2007, 10:02 AM
Anti-Album #2 Recap:

1. Queen - We Will Rock You (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v660764MdpaPaY8)
2. AC/DC - Highway To Hell (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1043860mXAfY79s)
3. Chris Rea - The Road To Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=060hM-JVClg)
4. Eric Clapton - I Shot The Sheriff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UddURb0alQc)
5. Toby Keith & Willie Nelson - Beer For My Horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZUHFuklo8)
6. Avril Lavigne - Spongebob Squarepants Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsgmy6XO2o)
7. Bruce Springsteen - Murder Incorporated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ri8nKwUmM)
.
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;)

Anuna
October 5th, 2007, 10:04 AM
You can add "Pretty fly for a white guy" by Offspring. :D Dana suggested it to me the other day :P

EDIT: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3407617/1/101_Things_and_more_we_would_love_to_hear_in_SGA Something every anti should read.

mcbarr
October 5th, 2007, 10:38 AM
Anti-Album #2 Recap:

1. Queen - We Will Rock You (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v660764MdpaPaY8)
2. AC/DC - Highway To Hell (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1043860mXAfY79s)
3. Chris Rea - The Road To Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=060hM-JVClg)
4. Eric Clapton - I Shot The Sheriff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UddURb0alQc)
5. Toby Keith & Willie Nelson - Beer For My Horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZUHFuklo8)
6. Avril Lavigne - Spongebob Squarepants Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsgmy6XO2o)
7. Bruce Springsteen - Murder Incorporated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ri8nKwUmM)
8. Offspring - Pretty Fly For A White Guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Jg8P2tyzk)
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Done. Good one, btw. :)

silkie
October 5th, 2007, 10:44 AM
Guns N' Roses - Civil War

Just the beginning

"What we've got here is failure to
communicate.
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!
N' I don't like it any more than you men."

mcbarr
October 5th, 2007, 10:56 AM
Anti-Album #2 Recap:

1. Queen - We Will Rock You (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v660764MdpaPaY8)
2. AC/DC - Highway To Hell (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1043860mXAfY79s)
3. Chris Rea - The Road To Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=060hM-JVClg)
4. Eric Clapton - I Shot The Sheriff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UddURb0alQc)
5. Toby Keith & Willie Nelson - Beer For My Horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZUHFuklo8)
6. Avril Lavigne - Spongebob Squarepants Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsgmy6XO2o)
7. Bruce Springsteen - Murder Incorporated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ri8nKwUmM)
8. Offspring - Pretty Fly For A White Guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Jg8P2tyzk)
9. Guns N' Roses - Civil War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHoDKldosXk)
.
.
.
.


Great! :)

sexy_penguin
October 5th, 2007, 01:30 PM
Is it just me or did this thread go off topic somewhat? I come here to be an anti, not to listen about what Joe meant by this and that.. this is an anti thread!

Can we just get the socks back out?

scififreak23
October 5th, 2007, 01:35 PM
Anti-Album #2 Recap:

1. Queen - We Will Rock You
2. AC/DC - Highway To Hell
3. Chris Rea - The Road To Hell
4. Eric Clapton - I Shot The Sheriff
5. Toby Keith & Willie Nelson - Beer For My Horses
6. Avril Lavigne - Spongebob Squarepants Theme
7. Bruce Springsteen - Murder Incorporated
8. Offspring - Pretty Fly For A White Guy
9. Guns N' Roses - Civil War
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.
.
.

how about renegades by styx : http://www.projectplaylist.com/playlist/additem/86487?destination=musicsearch%26searchfor%3Dstyx

you ain't seen nothing yet by bachman-turner overdrive:

http://www.projectplaylist.com/playlist/additem/8125?destination=musicsearch%26searchfor%3Dyou%2Baint%2Bseen%2Bnothing%2Byet%26s earch.x%3D24%26search.y%3D26

A must have:Fell on the black days by soundgarden:

http://www.projectplaylist.com/playlist/additem/584320?destination=musicsearch%26searchfor%3Dfell%2Bon%2Bthe%2Bblack%2Bdays

scififreak23
October 5th, 2007, 01:41 PM
Is it just me or did this thread go off topic somewhat? I come here to be an anti, not to listen about what Joe meant by this and that.. this is an anti thread!

Can we just get the socks back out?

Okay..rumages around room for socks...Ah!I found the carter stinks sock!
Waves it around merrily.:)

Vale_Sg1
October 5th, 2007, 01:56 PM
Is it just me or did this thread go off topic somewhat? I come here to be an anti, not to listen about what Joe meant by this and that.. this is an anti thread!

Can we just get the socks back out?

*does the dirty socks dance*:jonas:

mcbarr
October 5th, 2007, 04:29 PM
Anti-Album #2 Recap:

1. Queen - We Will Rock You (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v660764MdpaPaY8)
2. AC/DC - Highway To Hell (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1043860mXAfY79s)
3. Chris Rea - The Road To Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=060hM-JVClg)
4. Eric Clapton - I Shot The Sheriff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UddURb0alQc)
5. Toby Keith & Willie Nelson - Beer For My Horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZUHFuklo8)
6. Avril Lavigne - Spongebob Squarepants Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsgmy6XO2o)
7. Bruce Springsteen - Murder Incorporated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ri8nKwUmM)
8. Offspring - Pretty Fly For A White Guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Jg8P2tyzk)
9. Guns N' Roses - Civil War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHoDKldosXk)
10. BTO - You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__W0BYXUp_Y)
11. Styx - Renegade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_MWHpRpjtw)
12. Soundgarden - Fell On Black Days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYjCSpHDdmg)
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*waves anti-sock*

:D

PG15
October 5th, 2007, 05:18 PM
PG15

Here's how I took his answers:



Look how he makes even a compliment sound condescending. He's pointing out that SMB is smart, but he can't see why she/he is not seeing JM's way of thinking. By his own admission on many previous entries, we're a small minority, yet he points a finger when the ratings start going down ... and groups us all in there.

But again, what exactly was he pointing a finger at you guys for? He was obviously NOT blaming you guys for the ratings drop. Seemed to me he just mentioned you guys, like he mentions anything else.




Just like his harassing the fans, belittling them in his blog by even resorting to calling them names is. He chooses to rile the fans. It's his single decision. If he did not want to, he could've not unscreened the comments. He enjoys the fighting. I suspect he looks forward to it a bit. Respectful posts go both ways --- I have personally witnessed him editing his blog. He'd say something inflammatory, and go back edit his own posts. I know, because I was trying to reply day before yesterday, and when I went to recheck the comment -- it was no longer there. It would stand to reason, if I've seen it and was ready to reply on that part, other have done the same.

Well, I think it's good that he decided to rethink putting in that inflammatory comment. I know I've done the same when I've realized that I gone over the line in some of my posts (heck, on this very thread once, probably).

Besides, we already have people calling on him for censoring them, and you want to make it worse?




Numerous times, by pointing out that we are a small minority who disagree w/ the changes. By saying Carter will take over (I am paraphrasing). He may have been only joking, but he knew the effect it would cause.

Umm...no, I don't think I get you here. He never did say that creative decisions DID NOT affect viewing figures, he simply stated that those other things (i.e. DVRs) DID affect the ratings. It's not an either/or situation.

And as far as I know, whether he agrees with you guys on the quality of the changes or not, it has nothing to do with how it affect the ratings.

I think a fair few of people need to realize that they aren't the ones JM is targetting. I've been around this thread, and for the most part, you guys are fairly normal people, and beside a few examples, I have yet to see the behavior JM has listed for those "former fans" apply here.

Realize that as with any fan group, there are normies, and crazies. I've seen a fair few crazies around the board, and the majority of you guys aren't it.

EDIT: Oh, and hey:


Anonymous #4 writes: “The bone of contention is that you will not admit that the cast changes could in any way, cause a drop in ratings.”

Answer: Could they? Sure. Did they? That is obviously up for debate.


http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/10/october-5-2007.html

Ruined_puzzle
October 5th, 2007, 05:51 PM
I thought this was the anti thread.:rolleyes: I don't read JM's blog for a reason.

Let's see Lifeline today. I bet the ratings will be 1.1. Who's with me. heheehe.

Suzotchka
October 5th, 2007, 05:53 PM
*waves sock around*

mcbarr
October 5th, 2007, 06:04 PM
Let's see Lifeline today. I bet the ratings will be 1.1. Who's with me. heheehe.

I'd like to see a significant improvement in terms of ratings, but I really doubt it. The damage is already done.

*continues waving anti-sock*

ToasterOnFire
October 5th, 2007, 06:37 PM
I'm still wagering 1.0-1.4. Skiffy is pimping the hell out of the show though - I've seen tons of ads and little icons above the skiffy icon in shows promoting SGA. Poor ratings most definitely cannot be blamed on poor advertising. :)

It will be interesting to watch the ratings over the next couple of weeks to see if there's a big reaction to the Weir/Carter turnover or whether casual viewers will pay it no mind.

Suzotchka
October 5th, 2007, 07:04 PM
My anti-rant about Lifeline (spoilers for Lifeline):

You know what I don't get - in Lifeline - Shep says we're not leaving w/o you. But Weir says "leave! That's an order!" And he DOES? WTF? This is the John Sheppard who was assigned to Antarctica because of the non-approved mission to save his friends in Afghanistan? This is the John Sheppard who says we never leave our people behind? This is the reckless John Sheppard who would do anything to save his friend? No. No, it's not.


Edit: I should say that overall, it was a good episode. I miss Elizabeth. :(

Ruined_puzzle
October 5th, 2007, 07:32 PM
My anti-rant about Lifeline (spoilers for Lifeline):

You know what I don't get - in Lifeline - Shep says we're not leaving w/o you. But Weir says "leave! That's an order!" And he DOES? WTF? This is the John Sheppard who was assigned to Antarctica because of the non-approved mission to save his friends in Afghanistan? This is the John Sheppard who says we never leave our people behind? This is the reckless John Sheppard who would do anything to save his friend? No. No, it's not.


I've tried to rationalize this and I think if it was ONLY John in danger, he for sure wouldn't have left Elizabeth. John had the whole Atlantis expedition on his hands. He had to fly the jumper back and get the ZPM. They did get the ZPM right? I watched it when it first came out and I don't remember. Point John was now the leader and had to act like it. Still I was dissapointed because tptb could have written it differently. It just felt so contrived. I mean everything was going well until Rodney was all OMG we can destroy or something.

justhere1971
October 5th, 2007, 07:33 PM
My anti-rant about Lifeline (spoilers for Lifeline):

You know what I don't get - in Lifeline - Shep says we're not leaving w/o you. But Weir says "leave! That's an order!" And he DOES? WTF? This is the John Sheppard who was assigned to Antarctica because of the non-approved mission to save his friends in Afghanistan? This is the John Sheppard who says we never leave our people behind? This is the reckless John Sheppard who would do anything to save his friend? No. No, it's not.


Edit: I should say that overall, it was a good episode. I miss Elizabeth. :(

I had a similar issue with Shep giving to basically kill Elizabeth. That gave me pause.

as for the other thing in Afghanistan he was only risking his own life rescuing the others. In this episode if he disobeyed, it would be everyone else in jeopardy. That's not something John Sheppard would do. He's reckless only w/ his own life, not others. ... so it made sense.

Ruined_puzzle
October 5th, 2007, 07:37 PM
I had a similar issue with Shep giving to basically kill Elizabeth. That gave me pause.

as for the other thing in Afghanistan he was only risking his own life rescuing the others. In this episode if he disobeyed, it would be everyone else in jeopardy. That's not something John Sheppard would do. He's reckless only w/ his own life, not others. ... so it made sense.

If you look at his face after he gives the orders and when Rodney says it didn't work. That tells alot about how John feels. I think there was relief and WTF at the same time.

Suzotchka
October 5th, 2007, 07:39 PM
I mean I understand why Shep gave the orders to kill Elizabeth. He knew what she wanted.

And I understand WHY John had to do what he did, but he didn't really look like he hesitated all that much. It just seems so OOC for the Sheppard we know.

justhere1971
October 5th, 2007, 07:50 PM
If you look at his face after he gives the orders and when Rodney says it didn't work. That tells alot about how John feels. I think there was relief and WTF at the same time.


I mean I understand why Shep gave the orders to kill Elizabeth. He knew what she wanted.

And I understand WHY John had to do what he did, but he didn't really look like he hesitated all that much. It just seems so OOC for the Sheppard we know.

RP - what Suz says. That's what bothered me. There was no hesitation. Yet the rest of the epi carried a different feel.

Ruined_puzzle
October 5th, 2007, 07:58 PM
I get what you guys are saying I bit*** about it in my lj to my flists annoyance. LOL. I just chose to have selective memory when it comes to SGA. He was OCC, but the angst I saw kind of made it a little better. But only a little.

mcbarr
October 5th, 2007, 08:00 PM
Where was the massive Asuran fleet during First Strike? :|

nowvoyager908
October 5th, 2007, 08:02 PM
Didnt watch, but I was reading the episode thread and the response seems kind of subdued. And I'm taking it from everyone's comments here that in the end, John didn't exactly go to the mat for Elizabeth. And do we really need spoiler tags since the episode has already aired? Just asking.:)

Suzotchka
October 5th, 2007, 08:03 PM
Didnt watch, but I was reading the episode thread and the response seems kind of subdued. And I'm taking it from everyone's comments here that in the end, John didn't exactly go to the mat for Elizabeth? And do we really need spoiler tags since the episode has already aired? Just asking.:)

I'm only using the spoiler tags til it airs on the west coast. :)

nowvoyager908
October 5th, 2007, 08:05 PM
I'm only using the spoiler tags til it airs on the west coast. :)

Oh yeah, conveniently forgot about the rest of the country. Spoiler tags it is then. :cool:

TK99
October 5th, 2007, 08:07 PM
The forced b plot to get the Bugs to attack the Wraith was painful to watch. Even the actors acted like this was dumb, since its painfully obvious where this is leading.

Atlantis and the Wraith have to team up to fight a common enemy, crappy writing.

I am sad Season 4 really will be a slow down fall at this rate.

Suzotchka
October 5th, 2007, 08:08 PM
I also didn't like the end when John and Carter were on (what is the Sparky balcony) and John's like 'if she's out there I'll find her'. Well, if the Asurans were attacking that Wraith colony/base don't you know where to find her?

mcbarr
October 5th, 2007, 08:10 PM
Didnt watch, but I was reading the episode thread and the response seems kind of subdued. And I'm taking it from everyone's comments here that in the end, John didn't exactly go to the mat for Elizabeth. And do we really need spoiler tags since the episode has already aired? Just asking.:)

That's JM's version of Sheppard.

Cut and run.

:tomato: <= me

:)

Ruined_puzzle
October 5th, 2007, 08:15 PM
I also didn't like the end when John and Carter were on (what is the Sparky balcony) and John's like 'if she's out there I'll find her'. Well, if the Asurans were attacking that Wraith colony/base don't you know where to find her?

LOL. It shouldn't be funny but it is.

Suzotchka
October 5th, 2007, 08:19 PM
LOL. It shouldn't be funny but it is.

If the intergalactic bridge was hooked back up to atlantis You coudn't ask for help? And they had the Apollo, you're telling me you couldn't do some kind of surveillance or something? You couldn't even send 1 ship? Nothing? Not even a lousy PJ?

Now I know some people are going to argue that Atlantis had just landed on their new planet. I get it. They had to make sure the city took priority. But no rescue effort was even attempted other than the 'can you lock onto Weir and beam her up' dialogue on the Apollo. (Which made me laugh and think of Star Trek). :P

Irish Eyes
October 5th, 2007, 08:25 PM
My anti-rant about Lifeline (spoilers for Lifeline):

You know what I don't get - in Lifeline - Shep says we're not leaving w/o you. But Weir says "leave! That's an order!" And he DOES? WTF? This is the John Sheppard who was assigned to Antarctica because of the non-approved mission to save his friends in Afghanistan? This is the John Sheppard who says we never leave our people behind? This is the reckless John Sheppard who would do anything to save his friend? No. No, it's not.


Edit: I should say that overall, it was a good episode. I miss Elizabeth. :(

How I looked at this is it's half because he's basically the Atlantis commander at this point and needs to think about the city and half because Elizabeth is the one who gave him the order. How many times have John or Rodney done something because she asked them to. And it goes beyond her being the leader.

On the other hand I was totally against him leaving her behind. Someone who is totally unspoiled might think she's being written out. Oh, wait...she is. :(


I get what you guys are saying I bit*** about it in my lj to my flists annoyance. LOL. I just chose to have selective memory when it comes to SGA. He was OCC, but the angst I saw kind of made it a little better. But only a little.

:lol:
Weren't you the one who pointed out the body language in the balcony scene? Totally different from what we're used to seeing with J/E.

I find it ironic that some of the best bits in the first two episodes were the result of Elizabeth's situation.

Ruined_puzzle
October 5th, 2007, 08:27 PM
If the intergalactic bridge was hooked back up to atlantis You coudn't ask for help? And they had the Apollo, you're telling me you couldn't do some kind of surveillance or something? You couldn't even send 1 ship? Nothing? Not even a lousy PJ?

Now I know some people are going to argue that Atlantis had just landed on their new planet. I get it. They had to make sure the city took priority. But no rescue effort was even attempted other than the 'can you lock onto Weir and beam her up' dialogue on the Apollo. (Which made me laugh and think of Star Trek). :P


Like I said in the episode thread. It was totally obvious were they were going with this episode and what they wanted to accomplish, to get rid of Weir. I'm happy that her character wasn't destroyed but in the process of getting rid of Weir they destroyed John's character and to an extend Rodney.

Remember SGA is all about teh plot, and the characters are there to serve teh plot. They are like puppets.

mcbarr
October 5th, 2007, 08:35 PM
Like I said in the episode thread. It was totally obvious were they were going with this episode and what they wanted to accomplish, to get rid of Weir.

They have been getting rid of Dr. Weir for three episodes now. It started in First Strike. :weiranime33:

Kliggins
October 5th, 2007, 10:32 PM
I'm only using the spoiler tags til it airs on the west coast. :)


Thank you. :)

Mar9645
October 6th, 2007, 06:16 AM
:weir: I've been expecting very little from Season 4 right from the beginning. After seeing Adrift and Lifeline, it's turning out even worse.

Plot & Execution: CGI and special effects just don't make up for the shallow, contrived, boring and excessively predictable story line which we all know is just to get rid of Weir and make room for 'you know who'.

Characters - Real Cast:

Sheppard has suddenly developed 'Season 8 O'Neill' syndrome which is manifested in rampant OOC stupidity. Another great anti-hero character bites the dust.

McKay has now evolved into a total caricature of himself making his every word and action boring, pointless and unbelievable.

Teyla has now become Superglue wallpaper in the petite size.

Ronon has now become Superglue wallpaper in the giant size.

Characters - Carpetbagger Cast:

Keller has the personality of a dead mouse. Any thought of UST/ship between her and Ronon is an insult to the Satedan who is way out of her league.

Carter is now the ultimate epitome of boring, one-dimensional Mary Suedom. This character died in SG-1's Season 7 and has been a walking zombie ever since. Anyone believe we're actually seeing Repli-Carter?

Have a nice weekend everyone! :ronan:

Anuna
October 6th, 2007, 06:20 AM
My anti-rant about Lifeline (spoilers for Lifeline):

You know what I don't get - in Lifeline - Shep says we're not leaving w/o you. But Weir says "leave! That's an order!" And he DOES? WTF? This is the John Sheppard who was assigned to Antarctica because of the non-approved mission to save his friends in Afghanistan? This is the John Sheppard who says we never leave our people behind? This is the reckless John Sheppard who would do anything to save his friend? No. No, it's not.


Edit: I should say that overall, it was a good episode. I miss Elizabeth. :(

My comment:

That is what JM wants, and how he wants Sheppard to behave. Remember also that JM is responsible for Irr- fiasco and things alike. So, that's not Shep we know. And yes, I am speaking from my shipper POV and I know it's not "objective". It's not meant to be. I like what I like, period. This whole let's - give - Weir - new - cool - heading idea isn't good. It's not original. i don't like it. There.


I've tried to rationalize this and I think if it was ONLY John in danger, he for sure wouldn't have left Elizabeth. John had the whole Atlantis expedition on his hands. He had to fly the jumper back and get the ZPM. They did get the ZPM right? I watched it when it first came out and I don't remember. Point John was now the leader and had to act like it. Still I was dissapointed because tptb could have written it differently. It just felt so contrived. I mean everything was going well until Rodney was all OMG we can destroy or something.

Again... bad writing, bad writing, bad writing... and simple and convenient solutions to the situation. Could have been done in a better way.

And if anybody fancies Sheppard - finding - Weir fiction, I reccomend dana's "Walking after you". Chapter 1: http://community.livejournal.com/pegasus_fics/9112.html and chapter 2: http://community.livejournal.com/pegasus_fics/9326.html and she will be posting a new chapter each saturday. hooray dana!

mcbarr
October 6th, 2007, 06:33 AM
Hey, shippers! Should I add this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONXp-vpE9eU) to Anti-Album?

:D

ToasterOnFire
October 6th, 2007, 06:57 AM
(I'm throwing all this outside of spoiler tags because it's fair game now, right?)

In the first 2 eps I've been really disappointed with the lack of Teyla. At least she's been given the responsibility of watching Atlantis, but is it that great when all the focus shifts back to the team and she gets ignored most of the ep? I'm hoping for more of her this season, it's not like they can do any worse at this point. :S

I've grown tired of the Shep/McKay "banter" in the past two eps. It boiled down to this:

-Problem arises
-Everyone tells McKay to fix it
-McKay says he doesn't know if he can (maybe with some OTT whining thrown in)
-Shep/Ronon interrupt him tell him to shut up and do it.
-McKay does it (maybe with more OTT whining)

Boring and predictable. :mckay:

Thank goodness Weir isn't leaving Atlantis because she decided to step down as hinted in First Strike (and oh, looks like all her concerns about her authority and leadership in FS are never going to be developed either). That would have been completely ridiculous. But packing up her things so early felt rushed. And I was underwhelmed with the reaction to her loss. The scene with Teyla and Ronon was nice at least, but Rodney didn't really have time for a reaction as he ran from task to task and Shep was relegated to a sad face with sad music. I expected more from someone they knew the past 3 years (or more, in the case of Rodney).

And I'm glad that Carter hasn't rushed in and taken over yet and that the leadership thing didn't even come up this ep. But unfortunately Carter seems really...flat in the two eps I've seen her. So that's frustrating.:mckay:
R4

mcbarr
October 6th, 2007, 07:20 AM
That's a very effective way to kill a show. Overuse two main characters until nobody can stand them anymore; underuse everyone else until nobody gives a damn about them anymore. And, of course, when everything fails, "shake things up" with Firefly girl and never-ending Sue Carter.

:mckay:

Anuna
October 6th, 2007, 07:29 AM
Hey, shippers! Should I add this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONXp-vpE9eU) to Anti-Album?

:D

By all means. I thought about that song myself.

Skydiver
October 6th, 2007, 10:03 AM
Ladies and genglemen, do not feed the trolls

If a post is off topic, report it and move on

ANd folks, this is the ANTI season four thread, a place for folks to express thier concerns and misgivings. this is NOT a place to take them to task for having opinions you may not share.

If you can't respect thier opinions, you may be better served to just stay out of this thread and play elsewhere

parisindy
October 6th, 2007, 10:05 AM
Ladies and genglemen, do not feel the trolls


heheheheheheeh *paris's mind goes to naughty places*

i certainly don't want to do that hehehe

Southern Red
October 6th, 2007, 10:08 AM
It makes me chuckle enormously when pro folks come in the thread, state the bleedin' obvious and then try to insinuate that somehow that's a bad thing... I feel like saying "Duh"

But then I guess they can't understand what this thread is all about so I shouldn't be that surprised.

I'll say it for you. Well, duh!


Actually, Elizabeth isn't my favorite character at all. (Sorry for the Weir fans) I love Rodney and Ronon...

For me, the writing is what is making me an anti...take away the CG and you have a storyline that is less deep than The Cat In the Hat. It has been increasingly more like what TOF said:


-Problem arises
-Everyone tells McKay to fix it
-McKay says he doesn't know if he can (maybe with some OTT whining thrown in)
-Shep/Ronon interrupt him tell him to shut up and do it.
-McKay does it (maybe with more OTT whining)


It's like back in Season 2 when everyone's favorite line was "He's McKay. Of course he can do it." :rolleyes: It get so tiresome to hear the same things over and over.

I am MAJORLY concerned about Teyla's pregnancy. The rumors of John being jealous...the whole "who's the daddy?" debate....seems very soap opera-y to me.

For me, my favorite season is season 1. There was something appealing to me that they had to depend on themselves for survival. I was hoping they were going to bring that whole plotline back with Atlantis finding a new home. The fact that Carter & Co. happened to find them within two days seems very convenient...

So, I'm anti because I feel like I'm in the backseat of the car and the driver doesn't know where he is going....only that he thinks driving fast makes things better because it looks cool. I just worry by the time he notices that he's driving off a cliff, it will be too late to stop the brakes...

Everyone here knows I'm not all that anti. In fact, now that we've been through the gutwrenching loss of Elizabeth, I'm ready to take a break until we lose her for the second and probably last time and enjoy the show. But it's stuff like YappiChick's very excellent summary above that might just make me a little more anti. I was annoyed all through Lifeline by the McShep show. I know they were both under a tremendous amount of pressure, but it just seemed OTT to me. I wanted to slap both of them.

We're back to the idea IMHO of each writer writing the characters in a completely different way. Who knows which John/Rodney/Ronon/Teyla will show up next week? Actually, I think Teyla is the only one who's the least bit consistent, but that will probably change when her big arc begins. Ronon at least you can say has grown. McShep has just regressed to adolescent fratboy land.

Sorry, Skydiver, I fed the troll before you showed up. I take full responsibility for contributing to the problem. Now I will be good.

ToasterOnFire
October 6th, 2007, 10:18 AM
heheheheheheeh *paris's mind goes to naughty places*

i certainly don't want to do that hehehe
Yeah, I don't want to touch them either. You'll never be able to wash the smell off your hands. ;)

Skydiver
October 6th, 2007, 10:18 AM
heheheheheheeh *paris's mind goes to naughty places*

i certainly don't want to do that hehehe
oops. :)

welll, don't feed them either

parisindy
October 6th, 2007, 10:24 AM
Everyone here knows I'm not all that anti. In fact, now that we've been through the gutwrenching loss of Elizabeth, I'm ready to take a break until we lose her for the second and probably last time and enjoy the show. But it's stuff like YappiChick's very excellent summary above that might just make me a little more anti. I was annoyed all through Lifeline by the McShep show. I know they were both under a tremendous amount of pressure, but it just seemed OTT to me. I wanted to slap both of them.

We're back to the idea IMHO of each writer writing the characters in a completely different way. Who knows which John/Rodney/Ronon/Teyla will show up next week? Actually, I think Teyla is the only one who's the least bit consistent, but that will probably change when her big arc begins. Ronon at least you can say has grown. McShep has just regressed to adolescent fratboy land.

Sorry, Skydiver, I fed the troll before you showed up. I take full responsibility for contributing to the problem. Now I will be good.

i like you sr i hope you stick around ((hugs))

sheps my fav (i'm a whumper)... i think followed by carson, ronon and weir
though i love all the old cast

to me the best part of atlantis was the team dynamic...this is the first time i have loved everyone in the cast! And not just followed it for one character..."we don't leave our people behind' became my battle cry for why i am anti

this is the first time i have ever been anti for a show and i loved the show right up until sunday flaws and all.

after sunday... erg...and new characters double erg

how can i become emotionally invested in the characters if there is going to be a constant revolving door?

parisindy
October 6th, 2007, 10:30 AM
Yeah, I don't want to touch them either. You'll never be able to wash the smell off your hands. ;)

hehe...stinky socks smell better


oops. :)

welll, don't feed them either

*giggles*.... how about this...

*builds a sign*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/parisindy/Smilies/dontfeedthetroll-1.gif

elbo
October 6th, 2007, 11:00 AM
I cannot stop wandering how 'Lifeline' and 'Adrift' would have looked like without the cast changes. :(

stclare
October 6th, 2007, 11:05 AM
Ladies and genglemen, do not feed the trolls

If a post is off topic, report it and move on

ANd folks, this is the ANTI season four thread, a place for folks to express thier concerns and misgivings. this is NOT a place to take them to task for having opinions you may not share.

If you can't respect thier opinions, you may be better served to just stay out of this thread and play elsewhere

seriousley i go away to do RL stuff. come back and stuffs happened then disappeared. :o

for the anti album how about talking heads "road to know where"

Skydiver
October 6th, 2007, 11:16 AM
Get used to it i'm afraid.

There are whole pages of the anti s10 thread that vanished because, not only did we get a troll attack, people responded, which gave us more to delete.

If you don't want lots of posts to vanish, hten please ignore the off topic trolls and give us less to delete :)

justhere1971
October 6th, 2007, 11:18 AM
Why do I always miss the drama?

stclare
October 6th, 2007, 11:46 AM
Why do I always miss the drama?

it sounds like we wouldnt have liked what we missed anyway :(

in part im glad i missed it, those kinds of things make me like sga even less :S

also Radiohead "creep" just because it reminds me of my youth :cool:

mcbarr
October 6th, 2007, 12:44 PM
Anti-Album #2 Recap:

1. Queen - We Will Rock You (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v660764MdpaPaY8)
2. AC/DC - Highway To Hell (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1043860mXAfY79s)
3. Chris Rea - The Road To Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=060hM-JVClg)
4. Eric Clapton - I Shot The Sheriff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UddURb0alQc)
5. Toby Keith & Willie Nelson - Beer For My Horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZUHFuklo8)
6. Avril Lavigne - Spongebob Squarepants Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsgmy6XO2o)
7. Bruce Springsteen - Murder Incorporated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ri8nKwUmM)
8. Offspring - Pretty Fly For A White Guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Jg8P2tyzk)
9. Guns N' Roses - Civil War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHoDKldosXk)
10. BTO - You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__W0BYXUp_Y)
11. Styx - Renegade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_MWHpRpjtw)
12. Soundgarden - Fell On Black Days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYjCSpHDdmg)
13. The Beatles - Yesterday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONXp-vpE9eU)
14. Talking Heads - Road To Nowhere (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLiX8sgfgQU)
15. Radiohead - Creep (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxpblnsJEWM)
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.


Added. Five more to finish Anti-Album #2. :)

Vale_Sg1
October 6th, 2007, 12:56 PM
it sounds like we wouldnt have liked what we missed anyway :(

in part im glad i missed it, those kinds of things make me like sga even less :S

*pouts* but I like drama, I wouldn't have stuck around for so long if I wanted to live in a nice little corner of heaven. :P

Too bad all the posts were already deleted when I checked the thread.

I agree, don't feed the trolls. Be annoyingly diplomatic to them (as in, put :vala: and :weir40: together). That will confuse them, if not scare them away altogether.

huntress
October 6th, 2007, 01:31 PM
Added. Five more to finish Anti-Album #2. :)

I have one for you

This is for Samantha Carter
Shades Apart - Know it All
It's funny how your head never leaves the clouds
When you're walking down the street
Stepping through the air so nonchalant
You try so hard to flaunt, the sight is such a comedy

I know it doesn't seem like such a lonely town
But you're coming close to the edge
Anyway, you think you'll never fall
Your problems are so small, you try impressing all those friends

It's written on your face
Anyone can see, you are better than everybody
It's written on your face
Anyone can see, you really think you know it all

You know it all

Funny how the words stumble from your mouth
Your head's not even in the room
Lecturing to fill up every lull, to listen is too dull
Such an empty skull, it's true

I know it must get very lonely at the top
Living high up on that hill
Anyway, I'm knocking at your door
You can't hide anymore, from pretending to ignore me still

It's written on your face
Anyone can see, you are better than everybody
It's written on your face
Anyone can see, you really think you know it all

You know it all
You think you know it all
You know it all
You think you

scififreak23
October 6th, 2007, 03:34 PM
if you think about it..if there is a season five of atlantis which will mostly likely happen, an they do get claudia black and ben browder on atlantis,by that time the remaining cast will probably have been killed off and we can finally have farscape back!

luvmac
October 6th, 2007, 04:07 PM
I taped the episode but haven't watched yet (was at a football game last night watching my nephew's team get slaughtered). I was going to watch today but I ended up reading the threads here first and now I've lost the urge to actually watch.

John/Rodney are my two favs and it sounds like they were horrible in this episode. I hate Carter and any time she's only the only way I can handle it is to fast-forward which means I'm going to miss things anyway.

Now I don't know if I should bother watching or not.

Ruined_puzzle
October 6th, 2007, 04:14 PM
if you think about it..if there is a season five of atlantis which will mostly likely happen, an they do get claudia black and ben browder on atlantis,by that time the remaining cast will probably have been killed off and we can finally have farscape back!

I think that plan is made of fail. Obviously the SGA ptb don't know that Farscape is coming back either way. Web episodes FTW.

I missed all the drama. Damn. I guess I shouldn't go to sleep.

mcbarr
October 6th, 2007, 07:57 PM
Anti-Album #2 Recap:

1. Queen - We Will Rock You (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v660764MdpaPaY8)
2. AC/DC - Highway To Hell (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1043860mXAfY79s)
3. Chris Rea - The Road To Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=060hM-JVClg)
4. Eric Clapton - I Shot The Sheriff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UddURb0alQc)
5. Toby Keith & Willie Nelson - Beer For My Horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZUHFuklo8)
6. Avril Lavigne - Spongebob Squarepants Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsgmy6XO2o)
7. Bruce Springsteen - Murder Incorporated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ri8nKwUmM)
8. Offspring - Pretty Fly For A White Guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Jg8P2tyzk)
9. Guns N' Roses - Civil War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHoDKldosXk)
10. BTO - You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__W0BYXUp_Y)
11. Styx - Renegade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_MWHpRpjtw)
12. Soundgarden - Fell On Black Days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYjCSpHDdmg)
13. The Beatles - Yesterday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONXp-vpE9eU)
14. Talking Heads - Road To Nowhere (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLiX8sgfgQU)
15. Radiohead - Creep (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxpblnsJEWM)
16. Shades Apart - Know It All (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=7186109&postcount=4402)
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.


LOL, couldn't find "Know It All" anywhere, so I'm linking to your post, huntress, ok? ;)


I think that plan is made of fail. Obviously the SGA ptb don't know that Farscape is coming back either way. Web episodes FTW.

Indeed. I can't wait to watch them. :)


I missed all the drama. Damn. I guess I shouldn't go to sleep.

I've seen worse. :D

justhere1971
October 6th, 2007, 08:08 PM
I think that plan is made of fail. Obviously the SGA ptb don't know that Farscape is coming back either way. Web episodes FTW.

I missed all the drama. Damn. I guess I shouldn't go to sleep.

Sleep is prohibited. :D Although I missed out too.

mcbarr
October 6th, 2007, 08:12 PM
It was just one lost troller unless I missed it too. :beckettanime14:

:D

parisindy
October 6th, 2007, 08:21 PM
nah just one... hehe not really any drama at all

i've dug out my old Farscape tapes and My invisible man as well :)
you know its not just Altantis thats left a whole...

i'm really not finding anything on tv lately that interests me

i wonder if thats why some people stick through Atlantis stinkiness

there just isn't anything else on

justhere1971
October 6th, 2007, 08:29 PM
nah just one... hehe not really any drama at all

i've dug out my old Farscape tapes and My invisible man as well :)
you know its not just Altantis thats left a whole...

i'm really not finding anything on tv lately that interests me

i wonder if thats why some people stick through Atlantis stinkiness

there just isn't anything else on

That's why I hang around. I have no other sci-fi show I can watch. I don't like teeny bopper shows. I don't want to watch vampires. I want good old fashioned, out of this galaxy space explorers. So I hang around.

mcbarr
October 6th, 2007, 08:35 PM
I miss Star Trek. :|

justhere1971
October 6th, 2007, 08:40 PM
I miss Star Trek. :|

Me too.

nowvoyager908
October 6th, 2007, 08:41 PM
LOL, couldn't find "Know It All" anywhere, so I'm linking to your post, huntress, ok? ;)

I'd like to suggest an addition to album #2 - "I Hate Everything About You" by Three Days Grace. The tag line says it all for me - "I hate everything about you, why do I still love you." LOL.



nah just one... hehe not really any drama at all

i've dug out my old Farscape tapes and My invisible man as well :)
you know its not just Altantis thats left a whole...

i'm really not finding anything on tv lately that interests me

i wonder if thats why some people stick through Atlantis stinkiness

there just isn't anything else on


ITA. There's not much out there. I've been watching Torchwood though on BBC America - its not bad. That and every Star Trek rerun I can get my hands on is going to have to do when it comes to sci fi.

mcbarr
October 6th, 2007, 08:52 PM
Anti-Album #2 Recap:

1. Queen - We Will Rock You (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v660764MdpaPaY8)
2. AC/DC - Highway To Hell (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1043860mXAfY79s)
3. Chris Rea - The Road To Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=060hM-JVClg)
4. Eric Clapton - I Shot The Sheriff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UddURb0alQc)
5. Toby Keith & Willie Nelson - Beer For My Horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZUHFuklo8)
6. Avril Lavigne - Spongebob Squarepants Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsgmy6XO2o)
7. Bruce Springsteen - Murder Incorporated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ri8nKwUmM)
8. Offspring - Pretty Fly For A White Guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Jg8P2tyzk)
9. Guns N' Roses - Civil War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHoDKldosXk)
10. BTO - You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__W0BYXUp_Y)
11. Styx - Renegade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_MWHpRpjtw)
12. Soundgarden - Fell On Black Days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYjCSpHDdmg)
13. The Beatles - Yesterday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONXp-vpE9eU)
14. Talking Heads - Road To Nowhere (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLiX8sgfgQU)
15. Radiohead - Creep (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxpblnsJEWM)
16. Shades Apart - Know It All (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=7186109&postcount=4402)
17. Three Days Grace - I Hate Everything About You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t9K9rM1SVE)
.
.
.
.


Three more to go. :)

Anuna
October 6th, 2007, 10:00 PM
Why do I always miss the drama?

Yes why?? I was mean! It was fun! Whoops, I must not say more. ;)


if you think about it..if there is a season five of atlantis which will mostly likely happen, an they do get claudia black and ben browder on atlantis,by that time the remaining cast will probably have been killed off and we can finally have farscape back!

Oh gosh woohooo for farscape, and please give Rodney Rygel's costume. But I still hope for no season five. TPTB don't deserve it. Just... let this poor show die an honorable death and give us Star trek back. I'd take re runs myself, especially if it's Deep Space Nine. Imagine Garak on Atlantis. Or Quark!!! That would be a blast!

I have a suggestion for anti album. Pink Floyd - "Whish you were here". It's a song about bad communication but you can always look at it as our wish to have certain characters back.

parisindy
October 6th, 2007, 10:46 PM
That's why I hang around. I have no other sci-fi show I can watch. I don't like teeny bopper shows. I don't want to watch vampires. I want good old fashioned, out of this galaxy space explorers. So I hang around.

right now supernatural is my fav.. its the only show i watch now...
but i totally get what you are saying. As much as i adore supernatural

i want my space adventures... Andromeda... farscape.., and season 1-3 of atlantis


I miss Star Trek. :|

i liked voyager and ds9 not sure if i'm a trekkie or not though i did enjoy the shows.. never really liked ST:os or next gen... loved tom paris' obviously hehehe which ones did you like?


I'd like to suggest an addition to album #2 - "I Hate Everything About You" by Three Days Grace. The tag line says it all for me - "I hate everything about you, why do I still love you." LOL.

do we have highway to hell by ac/dc?

whats on the first disc again? hehe i think i may actually make these discs hehe




ITA. There's not much out there. I've been watching Torchwood though on BBC America - its not bad. That and every Star Trek rerun I can get my hands on is going to have to do when it comes to sci fi.

i liked season 1 of the new dr who... but can't get in to seasons 1-2... i haven't bothered with torchwood... robinhood was okay but to many gags for my liking



Oh gosh woohooo for farscape, and please give Rodney Rygel's costume. But I still hope for no season five. TPTB don't deserve it. Just... let this poor show die an honorable death and give us Star trek back. I'd take re runs myself, especially if it's Deep Space Nine. Imagine Garak on Atlantis. Or Quark!!! That would be a blast!

i was in vegas a year ago today *mourns vacation past* and i was sitting at Quarks bar... gads it was great...hehe i even met quark... i went on the rides with my friend and we laughed out butts off when we got back... our to very non sci fi moms in their 60's were sitting at the bar, drinking Risa sunrises... with a klingon and a ferengi hehehehe



I have a suggestion for anti album. Pink Floyd - "Whish you were here". It's a song about bad communication but you can always look at it as our wish to have certain characters back.

ohh pinkfloyd cool

Ruined_puzzle
October 7th, 2007, 12:01 AM
Yes why?? I was mean! It was fun! Whoops, I must not say more. ;)

Oh gosh woohooo for farscape, and please give Rodney Rygel's costume.

Heee. I always thought Rodney was Rygel and then I go
John=John
Elizabeth=Aeryn
Carson=Zhann/Pilot
Ronon=D'argo
Teyla=Chiana/Zhann
Koyla=Crais
Atlantis=Moya

You know if SGA characters were as developed as Farscape one's.

Anuna
October 7th, 2007, 01:54 AM
Ahem I particularly agree on John = John and Elizabeth = Aeryn.... and it would be fun to see Elizabeth kick John's @ss. :D Whooops, wrong thread.

My brand new stinkin' anti socks *drops them*

Now, with that done, who will join me on anti couch to rewatch old episodes?

nowvoyager908
October 7th, 2007, 06:17 AM
I have a suggestion for anti album. Pink Floyd - "Whish you were here". It's a song about bad communication but you can always look at it as our wish to have certain characters back.

Love Pink Floyd too. Wish You Were Here and Comfortably Numb are my two faves. :)

Watched Before I Sleep yesterday and bought Echoes from I-Tunes. Love those city-centered team episodes. I may not be a new-gate person, but I sure like the old one pretty well.


i liked voyager and ds9 not sure if i'm a trekkie or not though i did enjoy the shows.. never really liked ST:os or next gen... loved tom paris' obviously hehehe which ones did you like?

i was in vegas a year ago today *mourns vacation past* and i was sitting at Quarks bar... gads it was great...hehe i even met quark... i went on the rides with my friend and we laughed out butts off when we got back... our to very non sci fi moms in their 60's were sitting at the bar, drinking Risa sunrises... with a klingon and a ferengi hehehehe

ohh pinkfloyd cool

Dragged my mom to LV a few years ago. Went to the ST exhibit at the Hilton. She didn't want to go in with me, stayed in the casino instead. I took the tour and did the shuttlecraft ride - LOVED. IT. I felt bad though cause I left her alone and so I bought her some nice stuff at the gift shop. So much for me feeling bad . . . she had won about $1,000 in the casino while I was on the shuttlecraft dodging Romulans. LOL. She bought lunch BTW. :cool:

mcbarr
October 7th, 2007, 06:41 AM
i liked voyager and ds9 not sure if i'm a trekkie or not though i did enjoy the shows.. never really liked ST:os or next gen... loved tom paris' obviously hehehe which ones did you like?

I like everything Trek (even *cough*Enterprise*cough*). :D


Anti-Album #2 Recap:

1. Queen - We Will Rock You (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v660764MdpaPaY8)
2. AC/DC - Highway To Hell (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1043860mXAfY79s)
3. Chris Rea - The Road To Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=060hM-JVClg)
4. Eric Clapton - I Shot The Sheriff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UddURb0alQc)
5. Toby Keith & Willie Nelson - Beer For My Horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZUHFuklo8)
6. Avril Lavigne - Spongebob Squarepants Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsgmy6XO2o)
7. Bruce Springsteen - Murder Incorporated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ri8nKwUmM)
8. Offspring - Pretty Fly For A White Guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Jg8P2tyzk)
9. Guns N' Roses - Civil War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHoDKldosXk)
10. BTO - You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__W0BYXUp_Y)
11. Styx - Renegade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_MWHpRpjtw)
12. Soundgarden - Fell On Black Days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYjCSpHDdmg)
13. The Beatles - Yesterday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONXp-vpE9eU)
14. Talking Heads - Road To Nowhere (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLiX8sgfgQU)
15. Radiohead - Creep (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxpblnsJEWM)
16. Shades Apart - Know It All (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=7186109&postcount=4402)
17. Three Days Grace - I Hate Everything About You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t9K9rM1SVE)
18. Men At Work - It's A Mistake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vgI65mAxDY)
19. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj1L5jxlY4U)
20. ...


One more... BTW, how should we name Anti-Album #2? :D

Skydiver
October 7th, 2007, 10:16 AM
the star trek experience is a LOT of fun. They have two rides, now. the shuttle craft one, and another borg one.

it's a great way to spend an afternoon...and y ou get to heckle klingons and ferengi too :D

Vale_Sg1
October 7th, 2007, 02:31 PM
Heee. I always thought Rodney was Rygel and then I go
John=John
Elizabeth=Aeryn
Carson=Zhann/Pilot
Ronon=D'argo
Teyla=Chiana/Zhann
Koyla=Crais
Atlantis=Moya

You know if SGA characters were as developed as Farscape one's.

Teyla would definitely be Zhaan, she's too honest and quite and wise to be Chiana.

Aeryn and Elizabeth are complete opposites to me, but since it helps with the ship...;)

Yeah, I miss the incredible characterization they had in Farscape. No need for expensive CGI and useless guest stars when you have such powerful, well rounded characters.

I'm keeping my hopes high for the webisodes *crosses fingers*

Also, I'm one of those trekkies. I used to watch TNG when I was a kid *sporks italian television (I want reruns!!!)* and I'm a huge Voyager fan. I haven't gotten around to seeing DS9 and Enterprise yet, though.

And as for sci-fi shows, Heroes is the way to go for me this season. I hope I can find the time to try BSG, too, and Dr.Who.

And of course, I'm getting my Desperate Housewives weekly fix. At this point, I think the storylines for that show are more plausible than SGA's.:mckay:

scififreak23
October 7th, 2007, 06:18 PM
i can't believe it finally happened..i didn't think it this day would come. NO MORE WEIR!!! SHE'S GONE!!YEA!! Now i don't hate the show as much as i did before. Now if only we could get rid of carter and bring back carson all will be right with the world. Until then,still anti but slightly more moderate now.

justhere1971
October 7th, 2007, 06:27 PM
i can't believe it finally happened..i didn't think it this day would come. NO MORE WEIR!!! SHE'S GONE!!YEA!! Now i don't hate the show as much as i did before. Now if only we could get rid of carter and bring back carson all will be right with the world. Until then,still anti but slightly more moderate now.

I am speechless.

Suzotchka
October 7th, 2007, 06:29 PM
*waves sitnky sock around*

Did we ever decide a name for our CD #2?

mcbarr
October 7th, 2007, 06:44 PM
*waves sitnky sock around*

Did we ever decide a name for our CD #2?

I was thinking of Anti Revolution or something. But yeah, it stinks in here. :eek:

parisindy
October 7th, 2007, 08:47 PM
I like everything Trek (even *cough*Enterprise*cough*). :D

i liked it to hehe just forgot about it :)



One more... BTW, how should we name Anti-Album #2? :D

how about 'weir rules carter drools-the album' hehe

or 'the stinky sock mix volume 2'



Dragged my mom to LV a few years ago. Went to the ST exhibit at the Hilton. She didn't want to go in with me, stayed in the casino instead. I took the tour and did the shuttlecraft ride - LOVED. IT. I felt bad though cause I left her alone and so I bought her some nice stuff at the gift shop. So much for me feeling bad . . . she had won about $1,000 in the casino while I was on the shuttlecraft dodging Romulans. LOL. She bought lunch BTW. :cool:

ha thats great hehehe


the star trek experience is a LOT of fun. They have two rides, now. the shuttle craft one, and another borg one.

it's a great way to spend an afternoon...and y ou get to heckle klingons and ferengi too :D

it was great fun... me and my friend were grinning like fools the entire time

borgprincess
October 7th, 2007, 10:12 PM
Why do I always miss the drama?

*pouts* but I like drama, I wouldn't have stuck around for so long if I wanted to live in a nice little corner of heaven. :P

Too bad all the posts were already deleted when I checked the thread.



There was drama? *sighs* Always the last to know anything, lol. I come back and there's all this talk of trolls and attacks... :eek:




to me the best part of atlantis was the team dynamic...this is the first time i have loved everyone in the cast! And not just followed it for one character..."we don't leave our people behind' became my battle cry for why i am anti

this is the first time i have ever been anti for a show and i loved the show right up until sunday flaws and all.

after sunday... erg...and new characters double erg

how can i become emotionally invested in the characters if there is going to be a constant revolving door?

Great post, that's the exact same viewpoint I have. I enjoy the character interaction and how their relationships grow. Not necessarily shippy stuff- I can take off the shipper glasses sometimes!- I enjoy seeing *friendship* and characters that care about each other. It was so much a part of SG-1. Those dynamics makes the show a nice place to be.

Then after making us 'emotionally invested' [love that term] in the characters, they go all 'Heroes' on us. One person being felled after another. And now I'm not bothering to pay much attention to any of the new characters, because who knows how long *they'll* last, and I've lost interest in Ronon/Teyla because so far, nothing much has been done with them over the past two seasons.

Sure, Teyla's pregnancy will be interesting in terms of seeing how they develop it- it'll be the first real arc they have to do, with real consequences and character growth and implications for the rest of the series. Unless they kill off the kid/father, they have to deal with all these different factors and the reset button isn't an option if they want to have *any* credibility left.

Anuna
October 7th, 2007, 10:52 PM
Why do you think they want credibility? /snark

I decided to watch Atlantis form a safe distance - when I started watching it. i didn't want another "Heroes" fiasco after seeing said two parter on SG -1. And then I got - yes the term is right - emotionally invested in "wrong" characters. Crap, crap, crap. Thank God for fan fiction and AUs.

mcbarr
October 8th, 2007, 04:42 AM
how about 'weir rules carter drools-the album' hehe

or 'the stinky sock mix volume 2'

LOL, that's it. :D

FoolishPleasure
October 8th, 2007, 05:57 AM
Reviews for Adrift and Lifeline:

http://scifi.about.com/od/stargate/a/sga_s4premiere.htm

I haven't caught up with all the posts, so someone may have already put up this link, but it does show reviewers have the same problems with the "new, improved" SGA that we have.

mcbarr
October 8th, 2007, 06:26 AM
Oh, but who cares about what this reviewer has to say? He's an SGA fan. He doesn't count. :rolleyes:

Seriously though, great article. :)

The Lonely Huntress
October 8th, 2007, 07:21 AM
Reviews for Adrift and Lifeline:

http://scifi.about.com/od/stargate/a/sga_s4premiere.htm

I haven't caught up with all the posts, so someone may have already put up this link, but it does show reviewers have the same problems with the "new, improved" SGA that we have.

I never took too much time to think about what Weir was for the expedition but the whole "Civillian project runs by a military commander" as always felt odd to me.

Great article. I like the way he points what the problems with season 4 are. He also seems not have any faith in what is coming next. It's really sad that Atlantis is being considered prescindible, or already dead, by many people, it used to be such a great show.

ToasterOnFire
October 8th, 2007, 07:36 AM
Reviews for Adrift and Lifeline:

http://scifi.about.com/od/stargate/a/sga_s4premiere.htm

I haven't caught up with all the posts, so someone may have already put up this link, but it does show reviewers have the same problems with the "new, improved" SGA that we have.
I like his comments on how both Elizabeth and Carter were essentially suspended in Adrift. And I agree that Elizabeth, even though she was neglected by TPTB, represented Atlantis more than any other character. Losing her loses an aspect of the city. But hey, it's not like TPTB were all that interested in the city anyway, right? :mckay:

justhere1971
October 8th, 2007, 08:17 AM
Oh, but who cares about what this reviewer has to say? He's an SGA fan. He doesn't count. :rolleyes:

Seriously though, great article. :)

Exactly - we're the only fans who want the demise. According to JM that is.

Suzotchka
October 8th, 2007, 08:34 AM
Do we have this song on our CD's?

Dazed & Confused by Led Zeppelin

Ruined_puzzle
October 8th, 2007, 08:43 AM
Reviews for Adrift and Lifeline:

http://scifi.about.com/od/stargate/a/sga_s4premiere.htm

I haven't caught up with all the posts, so someone may have already put up this link, but it does show reviewers have the same problems with the "new, improved" SGA that we have.

I emailed him and declared my love. LOL. You know just showing that I agree with what his saying and that Weir is awesome.

Suzotchka
October 8th, 2007, 09:03 AM
I emailed him and declared my love. LOL. You know just showing that I agree with what his saying and that Weir is awesome.

He has an email? Can you send it to me?

silkie
October 8th, 2007, 09:23 AM
Haas anyone seen this from the Comic Con
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4fRfoN1E-U the last few seconds
I had a better opinion about David, but "Season 4 make sure you watch it or You're a LOSER"???
I know it was said in jest but still. Yes David I'll make sure to watch it from torrents...

justhere1971
October 8th, 2007, 09:53 AM
I wonder if one repeats same thing over & over if it becomes the absolute reality for them?

Suz - I think if you email bridge studios and say it's for JM they'd forward it. At least that's the answer he gave to one poster.

TameFarrar
October 8th, 2007, 09:59 AM
For those of you making reports :)

Each and every member of this fandom is allowed their own personal level of *Anti-ness* and they are allowed to express that as long as it is in the *Spirit of this thread and ON TOPIC

for some folks...they are *Just a little bit Anti* and want to vent on a limited basis...and for others they are *Vehemently Anti* and want to vent on a minute by minute basis. and even other are *middle of the road Anti* and just stop by to vent when the mood strikes them.

as long as it is in keeping with the topic and is *Anti* and in the spirit of things. They can say what they will.

For those posting .............

We can ask that members please keep in mind from here on out that this is a diverse group of folks that have varying reasons for what does and what does not define Anti for them and maybe everyone could keep the more vindictive character bashing out of the *general Anti* threads and take those posts to the more topic specific anti character thread. As well as all gushing and character build up belongs in the proper *Pro* thread.

Thank You
TameFarrar
Gate World Moderator

Suzotchka
October 8th, 2007, 10:07 AM
I wonder if one repeats same thing over & over if it becomes the absolute reality for them?

Yea, I think it does. :rolleyes:

Edit: *Waves stinky sock around*

Vale_Sg1
October 8th, 2007, 10:18 AM
intresting enough i acutally liked the weir's new storyline which is a shock sense i normally can't stand her. I'm sure the pro folks will be happy to hear that.



I just hope they don't go down the evil replicarter route with weir.That would just suck. i can't wait for sheppard and his team to meet up with her again.

Technically, it would be Repliweir. I think we're all - more or less painfully - aware that Carter is not Weir.


Aside from that i'm glad she's gone.I loved the weir in lost city so much that when i saw torri as the new weir i completely hated her.It seemed like such a cop out to me to get another actress to play an already casted role. Atlantis' weir was never weir for me so i'm glad she's out.

There are several rumors around about that, but I think Jessica was cast only temporarily (or so was tptb's version of things at the time). I also seem to recall that Torri was actually offered the job, according to what I've read on GW.

:vala:+:weir:

FoolishPleasure
October 8th, 2007, 10:26 AM
Exactly - we're the only fans who want the demise. According to JM that is.

I'm one who doesn't really want the show to die, but I vent in the anti-thread because there have been too many changes and it isn't the show I used to know. If Weir had been "changed" but stayed a reg, that would have been great, even with Carter coming in as recurring. Beckett never should have been touched at all. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the character and no need to "stir things up".

I see posters in JM's blog raving about Carter, and they want more of Dr. Lee (who would just take away from Zelenka), and "when is Daniel and/or Jack coming to SGA?" Ugh. Maybe TPTB should have just cancelled SGA and kept SG1 around.

Suzotchka
October 8th, 2007, 10:29 AM
I see posters in JM's blog raving about Carter, and they want more of Dr. Lee (who would just take away from Zelenka), and "when is Daniel and/or Jack coming to SGA?" Ugh. Maybe TPTB should have just cancelled SGA and kept SG1 around.

Sure seems to me that SGA was canceled - not SG-1.

parisindy
October 8th, 2007, 10:41 AM
Happy Thanksgiving all!

don't have time to read everything at the moment so i'll be back in a bit.... but have we heard the ratings for the last fiasco yet?

i will read that article when i get back



Great post, that's the exact same viewpoint I have. I enjoy the character interaction and how their relationships grow. Not necessarily shippy stuff- I can take off the shipper glasses sometimes!- I enjoy seeing *friendship* and characters that care about each other. It was so much a part of SG-1. Those dynamics makes the show a nice place to be.

Then after making us 'emotionally invested' [love that term] in the characters, they go all 'Heroes' on us. One person being felled after another. And now I'm not bothering to pay much attention to any of the new characters, because who knows how long *they'll* last, and I've lost interest in Ronon/Teyla because so far, nothing much has been done with them over the past two seasons.


aww thanks you are too kind lol...i've been whining for a while i have practice lol ;) but yeah thats totally... i loved them all... ((((((((((hugs)))))))

and though i'm not watching this season i got to say the angle they went with teyla's pregnancy is totally bad... i can't help think its going to go bad... there are so many better ways they could have dealt with the pregnancy

Sure, Teyla's pregnancy will be interesting in terms of seeing how they develop it- it'll be the first real arc they have to do, with real consequences and character growth and implications for the rest of the series. Unless they kill off the kid/father, they have to deal with all these different factors and the reset button isn't an option if they want to have *any* credibility left. [/QUOTE]

and though i'm not watching this season i got to say the angle they went with teyla's pregnancy is totally bad... i can't help think its going to go bad... there are so many better ways they could have dealt with the pregnancy


Reviews for Adrift and Lifeline:

http://scifi.about.com/od/stargate/a/sga_s4premiere.htm

I haven't caught up with all the posts, so someone may have already put up this link, but it does show reviewers have the same problems with the "new, improved" SGA that we have.

cool thanks!


Do we have this song on our CD's?

Dazed & Confused by Led Zeppelin

LOL good one!

and McBarr can i get a recap off both discs? i want to make them later

oh and thanks Tame you're a good egg

Vale_Sg1
October 8th, 2007, 10:42 AM
I'm one who doesn't really want the show to die, but I vent in the anti-thread because there have been too many changes and it isn't the show I used to know. If Weir had been "changed" but stayed a reg, that would have been great, even with Carter coming in as recurring. Beckett never should have been touched at all. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the character and no need to "stir things up".

I absolutely agree. I don't have anything about Carter per se, even if my interest for the character had kind of faded after S7 of SG1, but I wouldn't have minded to see her as a ship commander. As a matter of fact, I would have been pleased to see some reminder of SG1 in SGA. A reminder, not SG1 taking over the whole bloody show.


I see posters in JM's blog raving about Carter, and they want more of Dr. Lee (who would just take away from Zelenka), and "when is Daniel and/or Jack coming to SGA?" Ugh. Maybe TPTB should have just cancelled SGA and kept SG1 around.

*sighs* JM doesn't realize that trading the old SGA fans with "imported" SG1 fans is not the bargain of the century. I used to have such people on my LJ f-list, and I had to cringe when all of a sudden SGA (which they weren't so enthusiastic about before) became their show and meta posts and reviews started to appear on their LJs. Most of the times including misspelled actor / character names. :sheppardanime21::teyla30::ronon::beckettanime14::mckayanime07:

mcbarr
October 8th, 2007, 10:49 AM
and McBarr can i get a recap off both discs? i want to make them later


The Stinky Sock Mix - Volume 1

1. Queen - Another One Bites The Dust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo)
2. KC & The Sunshine Band - Shake Your Booty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAt85hcaQNU)
3. Twisted Sisters - We're Not Gonna Take It (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjtg05HdwUg)
4. Village People - YMCA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcbBZSN4AIo)
5. Europe - The Final Countdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZkllM8znx4)
6. U2 - Sunday Bloody Sunday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBit83NpvN0)
7. The Who - Won't Get Fooled Again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3mi-bKtDGA)
8. REM - It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGqroT1FZ5Y)
9. Tina Turner - We Don't Need Another Hero (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGp-NMNU7_E)
10. Harvey Danger - Flagpole Sitta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xzxDRA93Nk)
11. Kaiser Chiefs - Every Day I Love You Less And Less (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQjpvEmpa6g)
12. Electrasy- Cosmic Castaway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65XUZWTHTMI)
13. The Offspring - Why Don't You Get A Job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXCKQNAV9fo)
14. Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw)
15. Metallica - King Nothing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3m4cypxU2I)
16. Sinead O'Connor - Fire On Babylon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfIF5tThR3Q)
17. The Cranberries - Zombie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJEySrDerj0)
18. Scissor Sisters - I Don't Feel Like Dancing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXZ1tygRaVw)
19. Bee Gees - Stayin' Alive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdv8Qi_k-I4)
20. Within Temptation - What Have You Done (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEgXDhiayz4)


The Stinky Sock Mix - Volume 2

1. Queen - We Will Rock You (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v660764MdpaPaY8)
2. AC/DC - Highway To Hell (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1043860mXAfY79s)
3. Chris Rea - The Road To Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=060hM-JVClg)
4. Eric Clapton - I Shot The Sheriff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UddURb0alQc)
5. Toby Keith & Willie Nelson - Beer For My Horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZUHFuklo8)
6. Avril Lavigne - Spongebob Squarepants Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utsgmy6XO2o)
7. Bruce Springsteen - Murder Incorporated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ri8nKwUmM)
8. Offspring - Pretty Fly For A White Guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Jg8P2tyzk)
9. Guns N' Roses - Civil War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHoDKldosXk)
10. BTO - You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__W0BYXUp_Y)
11. Styx - Renegade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_MWHpRpjtw)
12. Soundgarden - Fell On Black Days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYjCSpHDdmg)
13. The Beatles - Yesterday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONXp-vpE9eU)
14. Talking Heads - Road To Nowhere (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLiX8sgfgQU)
15. Radiohead - Creep (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxpblnsJEWM)
16. Shades Apart - Know It All (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=7186109&postcount=4402)
17. Three Days Grace - I Hate Everything About You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t9K9rM1SVE)
18. Men At Work - It's A Mistake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vgI65mAxDY)
19. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj1L5jxlY4U)
20. Led Zeppelin - Dazed And Confused (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehEhLV8Nog8)

Anti-Album #2 finished. :weiranime17:

Suzotchka
October 8th, 2007, 10:57 AM
See, for me, as an SG-1 fan - I felt like S9 & S10 weren't really written for the SG-1 fans. I felt those seasons were horrible. And now as an SGA fan, I feel like S4 isn't being written for the SGA fan.

mcbarr
October 8th, 2007, 11:13 AM
See, for me, as an SG-1 fan - I felt like S9 & S10 weren't really written for the SG-1 fans. I felt those seasons were horrible. And now as an SGA fan, I feel like S4 isn't being written for the SGA fan.

That's because TPTB think Stargate fans will accept any-thing written by them. The declining SG-1/SGA ratings keep proving them wrong, though.

Suzotchka
October 8th, 2007, 11:15 AM
That's because TPTB think Stargate fans will accept any-thing written by them. The declining SG-1/SGA ratings keep proving them wrong, though.

Who has that picture of the cart with "Stargate" name on it? You know the one I'm talking about???

Suzotchka
October 8th, 2007, 11:42 AM
This is what happens when a bad mood turns into a bad joke. Inspired by Suz's post above.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/FalconHorus/Funky%20Stuff/Trabant.jpg

Forget it - I found it! :D

Vale_Sg1
October 8th, 2007, 11:56 AM
Forget it - I found it! :D

Dear God, this was one of my favorites when I was a lurker!!! I almost registered that day just to comment on it!!! :weiranime17::weiranime17::weiranime17:

mcbarr
October 8th, 2007, 12:10 PM
This is what happens when a bad mood turns into a bad joke. Inspired by Suz's post above.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/FalconHorus/Funky%20Stuff/Trabant.jpg




Forget it - I found it! :D

FH kicks butt! :D

dana
October 8th, 2007, 12:15 PM
Hi guys, *delurks*
Anuna told me to post it, so I'm posting it. :D New song to the anti-mix.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nHM5Eb99vy4

Lyrics:
Special
You think you're special
You do
I can see it in your eyes
I can see it when you laugh at me
Look down on me
You walk around on me
Just one more fight
About your leadership
And I will straight up
Leave your ****
Cause I've had enough of this
And now I'm pissed

Yeah
This time I'm 'a let it all come out
This time I'm 'a stand up and shout
I'm 'a do things my way
It's my way
My way, or the highway

Check out, check check... out my melody

Just one more fight
About a lot of things
And I will give up everything
To be on my own again
Free again

Yeah

This time I'm 'a let it all come out
This time I'm 'a stand up and shout
I'm 'a do things my way

It's my way
My way, or the highway

Some day you'll see things my way
Cause you never know
No, you never know
When you gonna go

Check out, check check... out my melody

Just one more fight
And I'll be history
Yes I will straight up
Leave your ****
And you'll be the one who's left
Missing me

Yeah

This time I'm 'a let it all come out
This time I'm 'a stand up and shout
I'm 'a do things my way
It's my way
My way, or the highway

Some day you'll see things my way
Cause you never know
Where, you never know
When you gonna go


Some day you'll see things my way
Cause you never know
where, you never know..

PG15
October 8th, 2007, 12:25 PM
I used to love that song. :D

dana
October 8th, 2007, 12:29 PM
I used to love that song. :D

Me too...I first heard it in primary school. :D Is that song that old already? :)

mcbarr
October 8th, 2007, 12:30 PM
The Stinky Sock Mix - Volume 3

1. Limp Bizkit - My Way (http://youtube.com/watch?v=nHM5Eb99vy4)
.
.
.
.


All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again. :D

PG15
October 8th, 2007, 12:41 PM
Me too...I first heard it in primary school. :D Is that song that old already? :)

Primary school?!

But...but...there were swears in that song! :p

dana
October 8th, 2007, 12:45 PM
Primary school?!

But...but...there were swears in that song! :p

I was 15. *giggle* And it's not like I haven't had a nice vocabulary at the age of 13. ;)

scififreak23
October 8th, 2007, 02:40 PM
The Stinky Sock Mix - Volume 3

1. Limp Bizkit - My Way
.
.
.
.
All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again. :D

Yea..Album 3!

How about Within temptations Stand my ground"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0315rB-ojo

ToasterOnFire
October 8th, 2007, 03:19 PM
All these albums need...album covers!

I'm thinking the Atlantis stargate draped with socks. :D :D

Suzotchka
October 8th, 2007, 03:20 PM
How about:

Who Says You Can't Go Home - by Bon Jovi http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgvV89APRQ

Don't Stop Believin - Journey - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoA

mcbarr
October 8th, 2007, 04:08 PM
The Stinky Sock Mix - Volume 3

1. Limp Bizkit - My Way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHM5Eb99vy4)
2. Bon Jovi - Who Says You Can't Go Home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgvV89APRQ)
3. Journey - Don't Stop Believin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoA)
.
.
.
.


I'll add scififreak23's suggestion once she offers a public apology to the lovely Dr. Weir and curses Sam Carter ten times. :D :D :D

kimaken
October 8th, 2007, 05:04 PM
All these albums need...album covers!

I'm thinking the Atlantis stargate draped with socks. :D :D

But they have to be dirty socks! :)

Suzotchka
October 8th, 2007, 05:10 PM
But they have to be dirty socks! :)

Like these?

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Suzotchka/sock001.jpg

:D :P

Ruined_puzzle
October 8th, 2007, 06:34 PM
Do we know the ratings for Lifeline?

Willow'sCat
October 8th, 2007, 06:36 PM
Sure seems to me that SGA was canceled - not SG-1.LOL! ;)

I am not asking for the show to be axed *hell no* I want me some regular Hewlett ;) but to be honest it has never been my shiny show since season one.

When I joined GW I joined because of season one SGA, Daniel Jackson, Jack O'Neill and Rodney McKay. In that order. :p Now though I am only posting on GW because of McKay/Hewlett. The show as I knew it is almost dead. It isn't the changes in cast as I thought they were necessary in some ways; it is the feel of the show, the way it has gone from a group of individuals having to work together, alone in the PG up against two enemies, even if one makes me laugh *seriously Vampires in drag??? :p* the show use to be 'different' I know something changed in season two and I know I didn't like it but to put my finger on it...:S I just can't.

It may have been, as I suspect, the re-emergence of Earth, the contact certainly took away from the show that sense of the TEAM needing to work together of being a TEAM. But I think there were other things that just never sat well with me, including the retro-virus storyline, although I love Michael as a character, I wasn't happy with the moral ambiguity it left in Carson and Sheppard's characters. There seems to be no real heroes on the show... for a scifi show it lacks someone to really barrack for....:cool:

Then there was/is the Joke McKay character, I am so sick of that now. If they want to lose even more fans just keep that up. :cool::rolleyes: Also the Sheppard as bully is getting on my nerves, the kirking I could live with (apparently we get more of that this season *groans*) but the yelling, as if yelling is a way to make Sheppard appear more leader like... please he comes off as the arse he is, at least with McKay we know he is meant to be a bit of an arse :p what is Sheppard's exscuse? :cool:

TPTB might like to say Anti's are killing the show, but we do not write it, we do not write the characters inconsistently and we do not treat the viewers as if they are morons as if they cannot understand complex characters or story lines. Hell Doctor Who gives me more complexity then this show and DW is aimed at kids! lol :P

scififreak23
October 8th, 2007, 06:58 PM
I'll add scififreak23's suggestion once she offers a public apology to the lovely Dr. Weir and curses Sam Carter ten times. :D :D :D

Alas i cannot, Jessica stein will be weir to me always and forever.I loved her portrayal of weir so much that the first thing that i noticed in rising was that she wasn't weir and they recasted her with someone else. To me torri will always be fake. However cursing carter ten time will not be enough fo me. I There are no words that pack enough power to curse her in all her wickedness. I don't have that kind of experience in those matters. We must exorcise the demon from atlantis. She must have made a deal with a crossroad demon to get the leadership position. What was dean winchester's phone number?

ToasterOnFire
October 8th, 2007, 07:48 PM
LOL! ;)
When I joined GW I joined because of season one SGA, Daniel Jackson, Jack O'Neill and Rodney McKay. In that order. :p Now though I am only posting on GW because of McKay/Hewlett. The show as I knew it is almost dead. It isn't the changes in cast as I thought they were necessary in some ways; it is the feel of the show, the way it has gone from a group of individuals having to work together, alone in the PG up against two enemies, even if one makes me laugh *seriously Vampires in drag??? :p* the show use to be 'different' I know something changed in season two and I know I didn't like it but to put my finger on it...:S I just can't.
Yeah, that describes me pretty well too. I joined the fandom because of Rodney and I grew to love the show overall in season one. I was all "Ooh, that Teyla chick is kickass! What's her history?" and "Weir's butting heads with some of the scientists and Shep! Where's that going to go?" and "Atlantis and the PG are shiny and new! What cool things are we going to discover next?" and "What more is there to learn about the wraith?"

And then...all those questions never really panned out into anything. We still know next to nothing about Teyla (and most of the characters, for that matter). Almost all of the conflict between the military and scientists, the Athosians and the Earthers, and between characters like Weir and Shep vanished. Exploration of Atlantis was relegated to a few throwaway lines. Exploration of the PG turned into a mundane search for ZPMs. And the wraith were rarely developed outside of "space vampires", tossed aside in s3 for the shiny and new recycled Asurans.

So overall I've been rather disappointed with the show. I felt that it had such potential in its first season but it never capitulated on that potential after that. I kept on watching because every now and then I caught a glimmer of hope in great eps such as Coup D'Etat and Sateda and Return pt 1 and Tao of Rodney, but I also waded through plenty of mediocre and poor episodes too.

Will I keep on watching? Probably, unless Hewlett leaves. But will I ever have such an emotional interest in the show like I did in the first season? Unlikely. Hell, if Joe M. announces tomorrow that the show has been canceled I doubt I'll have much of a reaction.

scififreak23
October 8th, 2007, 08:22 PM
Heh, you'll have to do better than that. Sorry, song rejected. :weiranime34:

That's not fair!This is an anti-thread and i'm anti-weir so i can post my comment's on here!

Vale_Sg1
October 8th, 2007, 08:33 PM
That's not fair!This is an anti-thread and i'm anti-weir so i can post my comment's on here!

There's an anti-Weir thread for that.

Skydiver put this pretty eloquently (and clearly) in a mod post several pages ago, but since I have to leave for uni, I'll be as brief as possible.

- S4 of SGA implies a reduced role for Weir
- You are happy that Weir is gone
- A reduced role for Weir implies that you're happy that Weir is gone, therefore you (at least in this case) agree with the path S4 is taking.

So technically, you're free (and welcome) to vent here about what you don't like of S4, but this is OT.

Sky, tell me if I misunderstood your earlier post. Also, I don't write syllogisms every day :P

Vale_Sg1
October 8th, 2007, 08:41 PM
To rephrase - you're only allowed on this thread if you share the same views and opinions as the 'regulars'.

Negatur argumentum.

Killdeer
October 8th, 2007, 08:50 PM
Actually, the way I've understood Skydiver and Madeline and TameFarrar is that being anti S4 for whatever reason on this thread is allowed. Whether you're anti because you don't like Weir and you don't like the way they're writing her, or because you hate McShep and you wish they'd cut it out, or because you want Weir back and you hate it that she's gone, or because you think Keller and/or Carter stinks. Whatever reason it is...if it's anti, the way I understand it, it's On Topic.

What starts to cross the line is comments such as "I'm anti-s4 because Weir is in 4 episodes and I wish she were in none" or "I'm anti-s4 because carter is in 14 episodes and I wish she were in all of them." As Madeline said, wanting more of the new S4 direction is not being anti S4. It's actually a pro position.

At least that's my interpretation.

Vale_Sg1
October 8th, 2007, 09:01 PM
Actually, the way I've understood Skydiver and Madeline and TameFarrar is that being anti S4 for whatever reason on this thread is allowed. Whether you're anti because you don't like Weir and you don't like the way they're writing her, or because you hate McShep and you wish they'd cut it out, or because you want Weir back and you hate it that she's gone, or because you think Keller and/or Carter stinks. Whatever reason it is...if it's anti, the way I understand it, it's On Topic.

What starts to cross the line is comments such as "I'm anti-s4 because Weir is in 4 episodes and I wish she were in none" or "I'm anti-s4 because carter is in 14 episodes and I wish she were in all of them." As Madeline said, wanting more of the new S4 direction is not being anti S4. It's actually a pro position.

At least that's my interpretation.

It's okay, I see your point, that's why I was asking for backup from a mod to validate my post.

I was remembering that exact situation, and I interpreted 'I'm happy that Weir is gone' as 'being happy (in this case) with the new S4 direction', considering 'being happy' as quite similar (or a prelude) to 'wanting more'

I know there are other posters on this thread that who are also active in the 'anti-Weir' thread and have always separated the two, even if they did admit in here they weren't fans of the character (but in a most gracious way).

I seriously need to go now or I'll miss the bus. Hope this gets sorted out soon.

Suzotchka
October 9th, 2007, 03:07 AM
For those of you making reports :)

Each and every member of this fandom is allowed their own personal level of *Anti-ness* and they are allowed to express that as long as it is in the *Spirit of this thread and ON TOPIC

for some folks...they are *Just a little bit Anti* and want to vent on a limited basis...and for others they are *Vehemently Anti* and want to vent on a minute by minute basis. and even other are *middle of the road Anti* and just stop by to vent when the mood strikes them.

as long as it is in keeping with the topic and is *Anti* and in the spirit of things. They can say what they will.

For those posting .............

We can ask that members please keep in mind from here on out that this is a diverse group of folks that have varying reasons for what does and what does not define Anti for them and maybe everyone could keep the more vindictive character bashing out of the *general Anti* threads and take those posts to the more topic specific anti character thread. As well as all gushing and character build up belongs in the proper *Pro* thread.

Thank You
TameFarrar
Gate World Moderator

Here's what Tame said yesterday on the previous page. If you are Anti-Weir those comments belong on the Anti-Weir page; just as the Anti-Carter comments belong on the Anti-Carter page.

Perhaps if anyone needs further clarification, they should PM a mod off list, so this thread doesn't go off topic.

*goes back to sock waving*

Vale_Sg1
October 9th, 2007, 03:23 AM
*goes back to sock waving*

*joins*

Skydiver
October 9th, 2007, 03:34 AM
As Tame said, and as I've said, ANY AND ALL anti opinions are on topic here. be they anti chuck, anti weir, anti carter, anti shep....pick an Anti. (or Auntie ;) )

BUT

Since this is a mixed temperment thread, while 'anti anything season four' are on topic, it may be best for folks to consider just WHERE they are posting and temper thier posts accordingly.

You want to write 4 paragraphs about how sam sucks, fine. But it may be best to just do a short synopsis here or make that 4 paragraphs part of a longer post and take your pure and unadulterated rage to the anti carter thread...out of simple respect for the fact that there are carter fans here.

For those of you that don't agree with the opinion of a particular poster...folks, as long as it's a concern or misgiving about season four, its on topic here. If you don't agree with someone, you just need to get over it, ignore that person or simply move on. As long as they are posting on topic, they are just as welcome to post here as you are.

What we don't want is for this thread to become a 100% polarized 'only a few fans are welcome here' clique. However, that does mean that everyone that plays here needs to respect the points of view of all that play here.

mcbarr
October 9th, 2007, 04:53 AM
Just to clarify... I didn't tell anyone to leave the thread. I just rejected a song entry to The Stinky Sock Mix due to blatant lack of sense of humor. :)

Suzotchka
October 9th, 2007, 04:54 AM
Just to clarify... I didn't tell anyone to leave the thread. I just rejected a song entry to The Stinky Sock Mix due to blatant lack of sense of humor. :)

I understood what you were saying. :)

mcbarr
October 9th, 2007, 05:08 AM
I understood what you were saying. :)


The Stinky Sock Mix - Volume 3

1. Limp Bizkit - My Way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHM5Eb99vy4)
2. Bon Jovi - Who Says You Can't Go Home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgvV89APRQ)
3. Journey - Don't Stop Believin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoA)
4. The Animals - Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jzhQTHBKgQ)
.
.
.
.


LOL! :D

Suzotchka
October 9th, 2007, 05:14 AM
Found this girl scout song about black socks:

Black Socks

Black Socks, they never get dirty,
The longer you wear them the stronger they get!
Sometimes I think I should wash them
But something keeps telling me
No, no, not yet!

:P

And .... a song about stinky socks:

http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/f/freddiboy/stinky_socks.html

Southern Red
October 9th, 2007, 05:26 AM
LOL! ;)

I am not asking for the show to be axed *hell no* I want me some regular Hewlett ;) but to be honest it has never been my shiny show since season one.

When I joined GW I joined because of season one SGA, Daniel Jackson, Jack O'Neill and Rodney McKay. In that order. :p Now though I am only posting on GW because of McKay/Hewlett. The show as I knew it is almost dead. It isn't the changes in cast as I thought they were necessary in some ways; it is the feel of the show, the way it has gone from a group of individuals having to work together, alone in the PG up against two enemies, even if one makes me laugh *seriously Vampires in drag??? :p* the show use to be 'different' I know something changed in season two and I know I didn't like it but to put my finger on it...:S I just can't.

It may have been, as I suspect, the re-emergence of Earth, the contact certainly took away from the show that sense of the TEAM needing to work together of being a TEAM. But I think there were other things that just never sat well with me, including the retro-virus storyline, although I love Michael as a character, I wasn't happy with the moral ambiguity it left in Carson and Sheppard's characters. There seems to be no real heroes on the show... for a scifi show it lacks someone to really barrack for....:cool:

Then there was/is the Joke McKay character, I am so sick of that now. If they want to lose even more fans just keep that up. :cool::rolleyes: Also the Sheppard as bully is getting on my nerves, the kirking I could live with (apparently we get more of that this season *groans*) but the yelling, as if yelling is a way to make Sheppard appear more leader like... please he comes off as the arse he is, at least with McKay we know he is meant to be a bit of an arse :p what is Sheppard's exscuse? :cool:

TPTB might like to say Anti's are killing the show, but we do not write it, we do not write the characters inconsistently and we do not treat the viewers as if they are morons as if they cannot understand complex characters or story lines. Hell Doctor Who gives me more complexity then this show and DW is aimed at kids! lol :P

I don't like the idea of us getting too junior high here and not wanting people who disagree with us to sit at the cool table. Everyone who doesn't like S4 should be welcome.

Willow'sCat expressed some very valid points in a very articulate way. None of us would disagree with the bolded part above. The point is that fans of varied interests and from diverse groups are all seeing the same thing. Something is dreadfully wrong with what was once our favorite show. We are being criticized because we dare to speak out and are not collectively kissing the royal behinds of TPTB. Right now I see SGA as a ship that has been struck by an iceberg. Up in the grand ballroom the well dressed hordes are drinking champagne and laughing it up, while down in the depths the crew is desperately trying to plug up the leaks. Bad analogy, but the best I can do.

After reading the threads for all 3 shows that people have seen from S4, I do see a tiny bit of daylight. There has been a fair bit of realization from some viewers less involved than perhaps we are that certain things aren't gonna work. e.g. that they finally wrote Weir well in Lifeline and then dumped her, and to a lesser extent that Sam seems a little too tacked on

I don't think anybody here wants to see the show fail just because we aren't getting what we want. We are just so sad and disgusted to see that our shiny new show of S1 with all its promise of exploring a whole city full of wonders has turned into just another space show. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Vale_Sg1
October 9th, 2007, 05:28 AM
Found this girl scout song about black socks:

Black Socks

Black Socks, they never get dirty,
The longer you wear them the stronger they get!
Sometimes I think I should wash them
But something keeps telling me
No, no, not yet!

:P

And .... a song about stinky socks:

http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/f/freddiboy/stinky_socks.html

This has definitely made my day!!!:weiranime17::weiranime17::weiranime17:

The Lonely Huntress
October 9th, 2007, 05:47 AM
After reading the threads for all 3 shows that people have seen from S4, I do see a tiny bit of daylight. There has been a fair bit of realization from some viewers less involved than perhaps we are that certain things aren't gonna work. e.g. that they finally wrote Weir well in Lifeline and then dumped her, and to a lesser extent that Sam seems a little too tacked on

I don't think anybody here wants to see the show fail just because we aren't getting what we want. We are just so sad and disgusted to see that our shiny new show of S1 with all its promise of exploring a whole city full of wonders has turned into just another space show. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm with you about that. I'm a partial anti-s4 but the feeling has been getting deeper and deeper with each new spoiler.

I visited diverse threads the last days and I detect a general feeling of pessimism, even in the PROs. I may be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but it seems if most of the fans on this forum think the show is already dead.

Vale_Sg1
October 9th, 2007, 06:00 AM
I don't think anybody here wants to see the show fail just because we aren't getting what we want. We are just so sad and disgusted to see that our shiny new show of S1 with all its promise of exploring a whole city full of wonders has turned into just another space show. Correct me if I'm wrong.

ITA. I'd rather be delighted about the new season and spend my time discussing the episodes in their relative threads than being bitter about it. It was incredibly sad to see a show full of potential as SGA was back in S1 fail to exploit those incredibly promising routes and resort to the same old, corny, overdone tricks every single week.

Skydiver
October 9th, 2007, 07:34 AM
Guys, i hate to say it, but get used to being blamed. And i'm not speaking as a mod right now, i'm speaking as an active participant in the anti s9 and 10 threads. We've spent YEARS being taken to task for not loving every single aspect of the show. We've been mocked, harrassed and made fun of. We've been called 'untrue fans' amongst other names.

We've been told to just shut up and go away.

That's just the way it is and i doubt it'll ever change.

Those that liked s6 told those that didn't like it to go away. Those that liked s7 told those that didn't to go away. Those that liked s8 told those that didn't to go away....you get the picture :)

Accept that some will never accept your opinion and just don't worry about them. Ignore them.

You are just as entitled to grouse as those that love the show are entitled to squee.

Don't worry about other fans, just take care of yourself. Keep your own thread 'clean' and a fun place to be and just don't worry about others.

Skydiver
October 9th, 2007, 07:45 AM
speaking as a mod at the moment....this is a prime example of how things get out of control

I may be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but it seems if most of the fans on this forum think the show is already dead.

I know the comment was innocently meant. However, it is just the kind of comment that fires people up and gets them all ready to say 'how dare you say most? i'm not most, and i'm gonna go find 19 of my friends to prove it to you'

When folks post, they do need to be careful to only speak for themselves. You, the general you, can't know how others think, not unless you've developed psychic powers. :) You can post your observations and say 'you know, i'm seeing more and more negative posts', but it's a dangerous thing to say that you know how others are thinking.

elbo
October 9th, 2007, 08:19 AM
I may be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but it seems if most of the fans on this forum think the show is already dead.

Let's make a poll to see if this is the case. I doubt it.

Vale_Sg1
October 9th, 2007, 08:23 AM
*elevates Sky to prophet status*

Skydiver
October 9th, 2007, 08:23 AM
it's not the case.

that bolded part was something that someone else posted. I was merely using it as an example of the kind of comments that get people riled up and start bicker matches.

One person, no matter how innocently, speaking for others.

the 'others' don't cotton well to being spoken for, they express themselves, usually in a confrontational manner, and a thread descends into nastiness...all out of one comment.

At the end of the day, each of us can only speak for ourselves. we can't know what everyone else thinks or feels

SMB_BOOKS
October 9th, 2007, 08:24 AM
Let's make a poll to see if this is the case. I doubt it.

Elbo - skydiver used this statement (I may be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but it seems if most of the fans on this forum think the show is already dead) as a quote from someone else. She was using it as an example of a statement that could potentially fire some people up.

I don't really think a poll is necessary. I think it would just divide things even further.

I think most everyone who posts in this thread would agree that not everyone who posts here thinks the show is dead already. I don't see how a poll would help.

And, if I misinterpreted what you meant, my apologies.

elbo
October 9th, 2007, 08:25 AM
Very well then, i misunderstood.

Celcool
October 9th, 2007, 10:02 AM
Hey dear Antis. I was looking for some anti songs while waiting for the sucky Lifeline ratings to be known and found these:

B.B. King - The Thrill Is Gone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vI_XMn-tRc

Michael Jackson - Beat It (for Malozzi)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-k_3ofk89U

Winger - Hell To Pay (for all TPTB)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3VogUZ6Ueg

Anuna
October 9th, 2007, 10:19 AM
Ooooh Michael jackson in this context is love! *waves stinky socks*

Missed ya guys!

Pegasus_SGA
October 9th, 2007, 10:27 AM
I'm with you about that. I'm a partial anti-s4 but the feeling has been getting deeper and deeper with each new spoiler.

I visited diverse threads the last days and I detect a general feeling of pessimism, even in the PROs. I may be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but it seems if most of the fans on this forum think the show is already dead.

As one of the Pros, i've been exceptionally squeeish for the majority of spoilers. There are some, however that just make me go... ok i'll wait and see how things pan out. I can't speak for anyone else, but personally speaking as a pro, I have had concerns from the very start about aspects of the show. It's changing/changed and that's something that's always concerned me, how much things has changed and how the new season 'feels' for me is a big factor, and I've personally always wanted Atlantis to be cut off from earth and having to rely on it's own resources, skills and wit's. That hasn't changed for me, and I doubt it ever will to be honest. So I have to live with that.

My concerns were always involving the SG1 cast coming over, and i've always wanted it to be minimal, and i've said from the start SGA needs to be able to stand on it's own two feet as much as possible, but crossovers are happening, possibley due to a sense of loyalty to the cast, and I can understand that. Ultimately though, there's nothing I can do. I can complain and whinge all the time about it, but it will get me nowhere, so I'll enjoy the show and hope it goes from strength to strengh and i've seen that so far in S4.

But i'm a glass is full kinda girl until i'm proved wrong, anything I don't like i'll bury my head in the sand and pretend I didn't read about it until the episode airs. :P After watching three eps so far, I haven't seen anything within the team dynamic to make me think my judgement is off, but i've no problem saying I don't like something, or stating if something was wrong/felt off in an ep. I rarely think that anyone is 100% pro all the time for every ep, from what i've seen, and that's not a new thing, that's been there for a long time. However there are still a lot of fans from looking at the threads that enjoy the show, and want it to go beyond S4, because the team dynamic and stories are good from my point of view... but this is where I become too OT and start squeeing, soooo.

And the reason I don't share my concerns with you in here, is because I feel I would not be welcomed, and would be treated as a troll. *shrugs*

So running off now.

scififreak23
October 9th, 2007, 10:31 AM
Just to clarify... I didn't tell anyone to leave the thread. I just rejected a song entry to The Stinky Sock Mix due to blatant lack of sense of humor. :)

Hey mcbarr..i just wanted to apologise about yesterday's fiasco. I was emotionally distraught and there was no way that i could take a joke at that time. I'm sorry if it got carried away. That was my bad.:o

Pegasus_SGA
October 9th, 2007, 10:32 AM
speaking as a mod at the moment....this is a prime example of how things get out of control

I may be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but it seems if most of the fans on this forum think the show is already dead.

I know the comment was innocently meant. However, it is just the kind of comment that fires people up and gets them all ready to say 'how dare you say most? i'm not most, and i'm gonna go find 19 of my friends to prove it to you'

When folks post, they do need to be careful to only speak for themselves. You, the general you, can't know how others think, not unless you've developed psychic powers. :) You can post your observations and say 'you know, i'm seeing more and more negative posts', but it's a dangerous thing to say that you know how others are thinking.

:lol: For the record, the post from me wasn't 'fired up', and i'm content/willful/opinionated enough to speak for myself without the need to enlist friends... just for the record.

*runs off and drags her OT butt out the thread* :D

mcbarr
October 9th, 2007, 11:21 AM
Hey dear Antis. I was looking for some anti songs while waiting for the sucky Lifeline ratings to be known and found these:

B.B. King - The Thrill Is Gone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vI_XMn-tRc

Michael Jackson - Beat It (for Malozzi)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-k_3ofk89U

Winger - Hell To Pay (for all TPTB)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3VogUZ6Ueg

Great! Nice to see you around, Celcool. :)


Hey mcbarr..i just wanted to apologise about yesterday's fiasco. I was emotionally distraught and there was no way that i could take a joke at that time. I'm sorry if it got carried away. That was my bad.:o

No problem. We all have bad days. ;) Song added. :)


The Stinky Sock Mix - Volume 3

1. Limp Bizkit - My Way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHM5Eb99vy4)
2. Bon Jovi - Who Says You Can't Go Home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgvV89APRQ)
3. Journey - Don't Stop Believin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoA)
4. The Animals - Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jzhQTHBKgQ)
5. Within Temptation - Stand My Ground (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0315rB-ojo)
6. B.B. King - The Thrill Is Gone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vI_XMn-tRc)
7. Michael Jackson - Beat It (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-k_3ofk89U) (for Malozzi)
8. Winger - Hell To Pay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3VogUZ6Ueg) (for all TPTB)
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.
.
.


*waves anti-sock*

:cool:

Suzotchka
October 9th, 2007, 11:28 AM
*waves anti-sock*

:cool:

Maybe the next CD can be the "stinky sock remix" ? :P

Anuna
October 9th, 2007, 11:34 AM
Another song suggestion:

Billy Ocean - When the going gets tough http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YivWEs3zw

mcbarr
October 9th, 2007, 12:08 PM
Maybe the next CD can be the "stinky sock remix" ? :P

Sure. :D


Another song suggestion:

Billy Ocean - When the going gets tough http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YivWEs3zw

The Jewel of the Nile... Nice movie! :)


The Stinky Sock Mix - Volume 3

1. Limp Bizkit - My Way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHM5Eb99vy4)
2. Bon Jovi - Who Says You Can't Go Home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgvV89APRQ)
3. Journey - Don't Stop Believin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoA)
4. The Animals - Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jzhQTHBKgQ)
5. Within Temptation - Stand My Ground (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0315rB-ojo)
6. B.B. King - The Thrill Is Gone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vI_XMn-tRc)
7. Michael Jackson - Beat It (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-k_3ofk89U) (for Malozzi)
8. Winger - Hell To Pay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3VogUZ6Ueg) (for all TPTB)
9. Billy Ocean - When The Going Gets Tough (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YivWEs3zw)
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.
.
.


:cool:

Anuna
October 9th, 2007, 12:11 PM
And how about that song from Ghostbusters?

mcbarr
October 9th, 2007, 12:25 PM
The Stinky Sock Mix - Volume 3

1. Limp Bizkit - My Way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHM5Eb99vy4)
2. Bon Jovi - Who Says You Can't Go Home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgvV89APRQ)
3. Journey - Don't Stop Believin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoA)
4. The Animals - Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jzhQTHBKgQ)
5. Within Temptation - Stand My Ground (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0315rB-ojo)
6. B.B. King - The Thrill Is Gone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vI_XMn-tRc)
7. Michael Jackson - Beat It (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-k_3ofk89U) (for Malozzi)
8. Winger - Hell To Pay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3VogUZ6Ueg) (for all TPTB)
9. Billy Ocean - When The Going Gets Tough (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YivWEs3zw)
10. Ray Parker Jr. - Ghostbusters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJHYSjs3cBw)
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Heh, we should send them to Bridge Studios. :p

Vale_Sg1
October 9th, 2007, 12:38 PM
Song suggestion

How would it be - Lene Marlin (for the writers)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9egt5C0K6uc

What have we done?
What if it's too late now?
...

Anuna
October 9th, 2007, 12:40 PM
We definitely should!

Skydiver
October 9th, 2007, 01:21 PM
i know, spoiler wise, travelers has me kinda concerned. the premise is somthing that can go very badly, very quickly.

Reefgirl
October 9th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Ok, haven't been around this thread for a while and having seen Adrift I think the end is nigh, for my Atlantis veiwing plesure anyway

Some suggestions for you Smelly Sock CD

Changes - Black Sabbath (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um1HG9Rb6Dg)
Sorrow - David Bowie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxDVc80Z3FI)
I'd Rather go Blind - Etta James and Dr John (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyMd19sE6U4) I wanted the Christine Perfect (McVie) version but youtube don't have it

YappiChick
October 9th, 2007, 01:29 PM
i know, spoiler wise, travelers has me kinda concerned. the premise is somthing that can go very badly, very quickly.

Perhaps because it is like a 15 years old dream storyline. Hot chick with gun. Hook up with stud main character. Throw around innuendos. *insert pubescent giggle* Beat bad guy. Leave "relationship" open-ended to later hook up.

I mean, I know a lot of men have Lara Croft fantasies, but this is pushing it a bit.

parisindy
October 9th, 2007, 01:36 PM
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When folks post, they do need to be careful to only speak for themselves. You, the general you, can't know how others think, not unless you've developed psychic powers. :) You can post your observations and say 'you know, i'm seeing more and more negative posts', but it's a dangerous thing to say that you know how others are thinking.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves (not you skydiver)

but i mean who is actually dumb enough to actually think someone speaks for everyone? I think we are way to picky on semantics... i mean can't it just be declared they no one speaks for everyone and move on...the political correctness does my head in

edited to add another quick note...
I have no problem with people coming in here and saying they don't like something... but for me the general theme is 'anti season 4' shouldn't the people who post here not support the season as a whole? If only one thing bugs you why not post in the episode threads? Not that you aren't welcome here... it just doesn't make sense to me... it often feels like people come in here just to stir things up and aren't really anti anything....

Shep is my fav and lots of people bash him i don't mind its their perogative... but it does bother me when people go looking for trouble...sure i have done it once or twice in a fit of rage...but on those occasions i was modded and i should have been...

i will speak out if i think something is unfair... hehe which i am sure is obvious hehe

okay i think officially i don't make sense anymore...*wanders away*

poundpuppy29
October 9th, 2007, 01:46 PM
i know, spoiler wise, travelers has me kinda concerned. the premise is somthing that can go very badly, very quickly. and what I saw of the preview about that ep I think it was a season 4 preview not a whole ep I wasn't too impressed with what I saw from the girl quite the negative reaction actually

Skydiver
October 9th, 2007, 01:47 PM
It's a series of events. One person makes a 'everyone feels....' comment. Rationally, yeah, the general you knows that there's no way One Person speaks or a few hundred. And, instead of rolling your eyes and moving on, you instead call One Person on his/her erronous statement. Which One Person and his/her friends comes and defends.

And the next thing you know, it's a full fledged flame fest.

Rationally, yeah, One Person can't speak for everyone. You know it, I know it.

So, when One Person tries to do that...just ignore their 'everyone' statement and move on

Suzotchka
October 9th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Doesn't *everyone* know that when *everyone* says *everyone* they really mean no one?

:P

parisindy
October 9th, 2007, 02:22 PM
Doesn't *everyone* know that when *everyone* says *everyone* they really mean no one?

:P

*Snork* :D

Skydiver
October 9th, 2007, 02:34 PM
Doesn't *everyone* know that when *everyone* says *everyone* they really mean no one?

:P
lol

ToasterOnFire
October 9th, 2007, 03:03 PM
i know, spoiler wise, travelers has me kinda concerned. the premise is somthing that can go very badly, very quickly.
Travelers could very well end up the Tower of s4. None of the eps I read about had a smell of "potential stinker" until I read about that one. Offworld babes + Shep/McKay + spoiled/precocious prepubescent = Very Bad Things. :mckay:

Killdeer
October 9th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Travelers could very well end up the Tower of s4. None of the eps I read about had a smell of "potential stinker" until I read about that one. Offworld babes + Shep/McKay + spoiled/precocious prepubescent = Very Bad Things. :mckay:

:confused: I think you're thinking about Harmony. In which case I agree with you about it possibly being S4's "Tower."

Travelers is the episode with Larrin and her people who live on space ships, who capture Shep for his gene.