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Juice
March 6th, 2007, 01:03 PM
I cant be bothered doing tags, dont read if you havent saw the ep youve been warned.




Dominion was a great episode, 10/10 I would have never saw the Baal taking over Adria thing coming it was simple but utterly genius and I would presume Baadria would have continued for longer if the show hadnt been canceled but due to this the episode was pointless.

At the start of the episode we didnt know if Baal was dead or not and at the end we dont know if baal is dead or not. And at the start of the episode we didnt know if the Ori were done and we still dont.

RIP Adria, Baal and random tokra

nerus
March 6th, 2007, 01:09 PM
spoilers for unending Ba'al isn't dead. Remember that he will star in the last EVER stargate as he changes the past need to read the comintum (SP) and why did the ancients let adria ascend are the ancients dead?

Starxgate
March 6th, 2007, 01:10 PM
[QUOTE=nerus;6408726]spoilers for unending Ba'al isn't dead. Remember that he will star in the last EVER stargate as he changes the past need to read the comintum (SP) and why did the ancients let adria ascend are the ancients dead?QUOTE]

That second Stargate SG-1 movie is NOT the last ever Stargate SG-1. They said if the DVD movies are successful they will make more DVD movies each year

Juice
March 6th, 2007, 01:11 PM
I had a feeling that the ancients might be dead when Baadria said something along the lines of "I know the ori are dead and other things"

lightbringer
March 6th, 2007, 01:11 PM
it was a brilliant episode, and answered the question can a goa'ulfd control adria

but yeh it was abit of a whitewash, we learnt nothing except that goa'uld can control advanced humans and jaffa in service of goa'uld used tretonin
was hoping at the end when she tried to ascend a load of "the others" would appear and stop her saying something cool like "this stops now", but anyway im gettin sick of this are they dead or are they not, tell us ffs it makes no real difference the big threat of the ori has always been the followers

J_B
March 6th, 2007, 01:14 PM
I cant be bothered doing tags, dont read if you havent saw the ep youve been warned.




Dominion was a great episode, 10/10 I would have never saw the Baal taking over Adria thing coming it was simple but utterly genius and I would presume Baadria would have continued for longer if the show hadnt been canceled but due to this the episode was pointless.

At the start of the episode we didnt know if Baal was dead or not and at the end we dont know if baal is dead or not. And at the start of the episode we didnt know if the Ori were done and we still dont.

RIP Adria, Baal and random tokra


Lol, how can you give the thread a title of Pointless, then rate the ep a 10 in the post?

As to if it had continued if the show hadn't been cancelled, I seriously doubt that. If they done that, then there would be no Cliff Simon, just MB pretending to be Ba'al. So can't see that going ahead.

At to Ba'al. If you check out spoilers for the 2nd movie, then you'll know his fate.

The pointlessness of this ep & 'The Shroud' was the fact that it's more than likely the Ori are gone, now Adria as well.

Heck considering it was the last ever ep to deal with the Ori, then she should have been kept alive for the movie.

Had her leading the Ori ships in their home galaxy against SG-1. Then killing her off. No doing what they did with her. Totally un-needed!

LadyWolfie
March 6th, 2007, 01:19 PM
i loved this episode, after a S10 low point last week!

Ba'al taking Adria as a host! what a simple yet brilliant plan!

Nikki
March 6th, 2007, 01:21 PM
I posted this on another thread but here it is again:

I thought the episode was great but normally with SG1 there's an obvious cliffhanger which there wasn't in this ep - I don't get how they're just going end the whole season in one episode, how are they going to provide closure for the season?

Dean_186
March 6th, 2007, 01:21 PM
Yeah but she can be taken back - Look at anubis he was ascended and he sort of went in between how do we know adria will not have this done also. It is likely the same fate for anubis is the same for her the Ascended will strike her back like anubis.

Juice
March 6th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Lol, how can you give the thread a title of Pointless, then rate the ep a 10 in the post?

As to if it had continued if the show hadn't been cancelled, I seriously doubt that. If they done that, then there would be no Cliff Simon, just MB pretending to be Ba'al. So can't see that going ahead.

At to Ba'al. If you check out spoilers for the 2nd movie, then you'll know his fate.

The pointlessness of this ep & 'The Shroud' was the fact that it's more than likely the Ori are gone, now Adria as well.

Heck considering it was the last ever ep to deal with the Ori, then she should have been kept alive for the movie.

Had her leading the Ori ships in their home galaxy against SG-1. Then killing her off. No doing what they did with her. Totally un-needed!

Adria isnt done she is the Ori now, infact the ori are probably more powerful now. Think how powerful the Ori were when there was many of them, now ori gets all the power from the millions of worshippers plus Arthur is dead and Daniel cant build another sangraal.

The ori are now invincible.

At first I thought the ep was pointless as it was basically a reset, but thinking about it it wasnt pointless

LadyWolfie
March 6th, 2007, 01:23 PM
I posted this on another thread but here it is again:

I thought the episode was great but normally with SG1 there's an obvious cliffhanger which there wasn't in this ep - I don't get how they're just going end the whole season in one episode, how are they going to provide closure for the season?

they aren't? they will provide closure in the first moive, isn't it meant to finish the Ori storyline?

poundpuppy29
March 6th, 2007, 01:25 PM
Hey can someone answer a ? Did Daniel object to Vala being used as bait? Kazan where are you? I love your recaps ep synops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 01:25 PM
why didnt the ancients stop adria? surely they had the power to she was in there galaxy afterall even if the ori werent dead which they are they could not protect her there
Baal rocks thats why hes the greatest bad guy such a simple plan

LadyWolfie
March 6th, 2007, 01:27 PM
Hey can someone answer a ? Did Daniel object to Vala being used as bait? Kazan where are you? I love your recaps ep synops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

probably but it was a good plan, and it worked too if it weren't for that meddling Gou'ald! A bit like Vala complaining when Daniel had Merlin downloaded into his mind.

LadyWolfie
March 6th, 2007, 01:28 PM
why didnt the ancients stop adria? surely they had the power to she was in there galaxy afterall even if the ori werent dead which they are they could not protect her there
Baal rocks thats why hes the greatest bad guy such a simple plan

maybe Adria has too many worshippers and too much power for the ancients to destroy her

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 01:31 PM
^ thats possible but her goal was to convert the galaxy so the ori would have enough worshippers to destroy the ori but they where still along way away from doing that.

Kazan
March 6th, 2007, 01:34 PM
Part one of a quick synopsis - please forgive typos!!

Opening Teaser
Previously on….

Vala being kidnapped and held for a code in Momento Mori

Anti prior device – Daniel taking out Adria in The Shroud

Cut to the Ori ship going through the super gate.

Vala is playing a game of cards of some sort in an Inn. Her opponent says she is bluffing.
She is trying to win a cargo ship. She offers to throw in a personal sodan cloak which she demonstrates.

Vala wins. But has a gun pulled on her.
She is searched and she has been cheating with hidden “cards”.
Suddenly all their weapons are mysteriously pulled away.
Adria appears in the doorway to the Inn

Act 1
Vala is surprised to see Adria.
Adria says their attempt to destroy the Ori was unsuccessful and says she has been building ships and that the super gate is active. The Ori will convert all the galaxy within months.
Adria asks where her earth friends are. Vala says that “friends come and go” and seems upset
Adria insists that Vala tells her. Vala seems to indicate that she has split from Earth and the SGC – she seems upset and a little bitter about it.

Cut back to flash back sequence with Vala rushing into Daniels lab saying she knows where it is – The Key to Infinite Treasure - the stash of ancient weapons.
In the conference room, Daniel is explaining but Vala butts in and explains how she worked out. She dreamed it!
The symbol for infinity overlaid on set of symbols that supposedly leads to the treasure - and this gives up a gate address when laid horizontally across it.
They question whether the information could have been planted by Adria in Vala’s mind but she insists it came to her, they are pretty sceptical. Sam admits it is possible that it is a latent memory from the time that Vala was host to Qetesh.
Vala convinces them to go and check it out the planet But SG3 comes back in hot from the scouting mission and it does appear to have been a trap although Adria tells Vala back in the present that it was not a plant of the information. Vala says she knows but they seemed not to believe her.

Act 2
Vala in the conf room, she has had another dream and that this time the infinity symbol needs to be overlaid vertically not horizontally.
They all say it must be Adria planting the information and will not follow up to check out the planet. One by one they leave her in the room, clearly not willing to back her up.

Vala is held in a room. In narrative she is talking to Adria saying how things go from bad to worse.
Daniel comes in. The IOA is very concerned, they think that she has been compromised and must be removed from the team. They were talking about confining her – she knows too much about the SGC and the security so they cannot let her go

Cut back to Vala and Adria. Vala thinks Adria doesn’t beloeve her and doesn’t believe that they would let her go.
Vala says she escaped – flash back to her using the personal cloaking device to get through the gate on the back of a team leaving on a mission.

Adria tries to convince Vala to go with her, saying her place is with her

Vala lets slip that SG1 were planning to check out the second planet anyway, just in case the stash of weapons was there.
She and Adria gate to the Planet. SG1 are waiting for them. They have disabled her powers. Vala doesn’t seem to be in on the plan and is hostile towards SG1.
But just as they have her at gun point. A group of Jaffa beam in and grab Adria by tagging her – they are Baals men and they beam up to his ship.

Back at the SGC – Cam and Tealc are bringing Landry up to date. They agree they have to get Adria back – she is too dangerous with Baal.

Vala is with Daniel and Sam in a room. She is very upset and feels betrayed and that they have let her down. But Sam explains that they have planted false memories of all the meetings etc were planted..
They show her a recording that Vala made before hand to explain to herself
They manage to convince her that all her memories were planted so that Adria would not sense they plan to capture her.

Cut to Baals ship. Adria is held in a cell and they have set up a dampening field so she cannot use her powers.

Baal and Adria talk.
Baal explains his plan. He wants control of Adrias army. She says there is nothing he can do to make her get her army to follow him. He menacingly says “don’t be too sure”

SGC. – Landry and Agent Barrett.
Barrett explains he has an insider in Baals group. The clones are planning to meet and Barrett has just been given the intel. He tells them the planet where they meeting is set to take place on the same today.
SG1 goes but finds lots of Jaffa dead on the ground. They have been killed with the symbiote poison. They are confused as to why Baal would want to kill the Jaffa but then realise they were probably not the intended target.
They enter a tend and find many of Baal clones dead around the table

Cut back to Baals ship with Adria.
Baal has a symbiote –he plans to have it take over Adria! She is horrified!

Kazan
March 6th, 2007, 01:35 PM
And the second part...........

Act 3
Back on the planet.
The SGC People are clearing up the dead Jaffa.
One Jaffa is alive. They manage to get some information from him. Baal managed to beam in the symbiote poison and killing the clones was to cover his tracks The one Jaffa that survived because he was on Tretonin so was not affected.

He also gives them the location of Baals ship.
They are on the Odyssey and discussing the plan. They talk with Colonel Davidson to say they want to beam in tag Adria and beam her out. They know that Baal must have an anti prior device so that they hope they can get in and out without detection and will know where Adria is on the ship by detecting the anti prior device.

Cam offers to let Vala sit the mission out – he says given that the plan is to grab Adria and try and get her to give up the Ori plans, Vala might feel odd given her relationship with Adria. Also that given that if she does not agree they will look to kill Adria, he is happy to let her sit it out. She refuses and says she is ok and happy to take part in the plans

They arrive cloaked at Baals ship, managed to ring in and find Adria. They kill a Baal and tag Adria and take her back to the Odyssey.
As Adria wakes, they try and get her to talk, but they are shocked to find that “Baal” the symbiote has already been implanted into Adria – she is now the Gould and Adria the personality of the host is suppressed.

They explain the situation to Landry and agree that their plan is to try and swap Baal with another symbiote – one from the Tokra.

They explain the plan to Adria/Baal. He/She explains that they plan was to try and get
the Ori to leave so that Baal could become dominant again in the Galaxy.
But Adria / Baal explains that they would be better served to work with her. She doesn’t believe they cannot suppress such a strong personality as Adria with another Tokra Symbiote and Baal would rather kill her than leave the host body.

The Tokra arrive and they prepare to perform the surgery. They warn that they are not sure it will work.

They zat Adria and begin the surgery.

Vala leaves the viewing room whilst the others watch.
Daniel follows and asks if she is ok. She tries to convince him she is fine but he is not convinced – she is her daughter after all. But Vala tries again to confirm she is ok and that Adria means nothing to her

Adria is in trouble – the Baal symbiote releases a toxin into the body. She is unconscious but will die as they couldn’t complete the surgery to implant the Tokra symbiote. She will die and be in great pain if she awakes.
The Tokra operative recommends that they best thing would be to give more of the toxin to save Adria from huge pain if she were to wake.
Cam says to do it.
Vala struggles with it but agrees and wants to be there when they do it.
They prepare to give the toxin but Adria wakes much to the shock of the Tokra and the rest. She throws him against the wall and closes all the doors locking Cam, Sam and Tealc out. Daniel is locked out the other side of the infirmary.
Adria is left with Vala and says she will not allow them to kill her

Act4

SG1 except Daniel are in the corridor. Vala and Adria are in the infirmary.

Adria is weak , Vala thinks she is acting but the body really is dieing.

Adria says she needs time – time to prepare to ascend.
Daniel is the other side of a bulk head – he has worked out that Adria is planning to ascend and that they must stop her.
They are cutting through a bulk head with a torch.
Sam is trying to override the system but its seems that Adria is simply holding the door closed with her mind.
They are trying to prise open the door.
Adria tries to stop them and starts a coolant leak which is very dangerous to Daniel. Vala tries to get her to stop and picks up a gun. Adria wills it away with her mind but Adria “grabs” Vala with her mind by her neck to try and suffocate her.
Suddenly she lets go and they manage to rush in – but not before Adria ascends!!!

Back at the SGC – they bring Landry up to date.
Despite the fact that they killed both Baal and Adria on the same day, they don’t bet against both coming back at some point – probably worse and madder. They think that there is probably another Baal clone still out there and of course Adria could now have lots of powers.

Despite that and the worry about the future, Vala still says it is a step in the right direction – they have still dealt the Ori a big blow.

nerus
March 6th, 2007, 01:35 PM
The Ori are dead, it just came to me we know that the Ori don't ascend their followers not even Adria but she ascended which gives a good indication that the ori are infact dead and that Adria wouldn't say that the Ori are dead as they are gods and they can't be killed

g.o.d
March 6th, 2007, 01:38 PM
The Ori are dead, it just came to me we know that the Ori don't ascend their followers not even Adria but she ascended which gives a good indication that the ori are infact dead and that Adria wouldn't say that the Ori are dead as they are gods and they can't be killed

but we're not talking about an ordinary worshippers, we're talking about an Ori in a human body.She didn't need the help from the Ori to ascend

Linzi
March 6th, 2007, 01:39 PM
Hey can someone answer a ? Did Daniel object to Vala being used as bait? Kazan where are you? I love your recaps ep synops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No. Because the whole plan was her idea in the first place. Detailed plot point in spoilers, just in case: She'd had false memories downloaded into her brain so she wouldn't remember that it was her idea, and so that Adria would think she was telling the truth.
Interesting episode. Better than last weeks, for sure. I look forward to the season finale, and am certain we haven't seen the last of Ba'al!

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 01:40 PM
^^^ I agree there dead but sense she was in milky way even if thbey werent dead they couldnt stop her here.
^ yeah because the movie continuum is centered around him but I doubt we will see him in the seaosn finale or even the ark of truth.

Popeston
March 6th, 2007, 01:44 PM
That episode was nothing short of epic.
Actual use of alien tech like the memory device and the sodan cloak. Adria, Ba’al, the Tok’ra and ascension all packed into one episode.
Funderful man.
Ba'al taking over Adria= GENIUS
Ah man, I really enjoyed that. Made up for the lack lustre episodes which came before it.
Tok'ra! Rock on!

Dean_186
March 6th, 2007, 01:48 PM
I gotta say I'm glad 2 see that adria ascended. Simply because she was born with a warped mind and the people she was following wouldent let the followers ascened but she did. I know it sounds evil but go her!!!

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 01:49 PM
I loved the episode and all but we really didnt get any closer to a resolution because now rather than having alot of powerful ori we have one with all the power of the ori plus baal wasnt finished off we still have no idea how many clones there are(not that im complaining)

nerus
March 6th, 2007, 01:50 PM
But i thought that the Ori gave her all knowledge that she could hold but not telling her how to ascend so where did she learn to do that

g.o.d
March 6th, 2007, 01:51 PM
I loved the episode and all but we really didnt get any closer to a resolution because now rather than having alot of powerful ori we have one with all the power of the ori plus baal wasnt finished off we still have no idea how many clones there are(not that im complaining)

we don't know that hte Ori are dead.I don't trust Ba'al

Dean_186
March 6th, 2007, 01:53 PM
But i thought that the Ori gave her all knowledge that she could hold but not telling her how to ascend so where did she learn to do that

If you remember in past episodes with Daniel Jackson he doesent know how to ascened she must of learned. Like If you watch SGA Rodney McKay knew he was about to ascened before he figured out how to fix the ancient machine I do believe its just something that happens to people. Because rodney was able to determaine how to ascened and what it took.

Maybe with the Infinate knowledge adria learned.

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 01:53 PM
^^^ good question of course you dont know what sort of knowledge baal picked up from his short time in control of anubis army about ascension and she had axis to his knowledge if only for a short time and then of course she probably had axis to danielsmind when she changed him into a prior thats probably where she got her knowledge.

nerus
March 6th, 2007, 01:56 PM
Then the big question becomes how can we stop her if indeed she is the only Ori in the universe then all of that power from the worshippers is going to her, and now that she is an ascended being what can we do?? and i highly doubt that the ancients will interfere thats if they are still around

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 01:56 PM
we don't know that hte Ori are dead.I don't trust Ba'al

True but I trust him more than the ori and I dont he would have been quite so smug in the episode if he thought the ori where going to stop him.

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 01:58 PM
Then the big question becomes how can we stop her if indeed she is the only Ori in the universe then all of that power from the worshippers is going to her, and now that she is an ascended being what can we do?? and i highly doubt that the ancients will interfere thats if they are still around

I can see Skaara or shifu coming to there aid in the movie
Or king arthur and his knights now that would be cool.

g.o.d
March 6th, 2007, 02:00 PM
True but I trust him more than the ori and I dont he would have been quite so smug in the episode if he thought the ori where going to stop him.

with the Ancients still around they can't stop him

J_B
March 6th, 2007, 02:00 PM
Adria isnt done she is the Ori now, infact the ori are probably more powerful now. Think how powerful the Ori were when there was many of them, now ori gets all the power from the millions of worshippers plus Arthur is dead and Daniel cant build another sangraal.

The ori are now invincible.

At first I thought the ep was pointless as it was basically a reset, but thinking about it it wasnt pointless

Problem is it would have been better if there had been more of them! If thousands or millions of Ori couldn't take on the Ancients. Then how would her having the same amount of power only by herself make her invulnerable.

Not to mention she Ascended in this galaxy & not in her own one.

Hence, if all the Ori combined couldn't take the ascended, then it's impossible for a single one with the same amount of power to take them out on her own.

The whole Ori thing was terribly handled. All that happens is they send it through in 1 ep & we are told they are gone. Then in the next Ori centric ep, their MW leader is then killed off.

I feel it's as much a cop-out as what they did in 'The Return II' with the Lanteans.

I'm sure we'll see Adria if even only briefly in the movie. However it would have been more fitting to have the Ori survive, along with Adria. Then have the Ori, Doci, Priors, Adria etc try to stop SG-1 in the movie.

Not to mention the Ba'al thing with all the clones being offed. How many is that now? Would be good if it were the last time, but it isn't. So hopefully in the 2nd movie, this arc will be gone for good also.

LadyWolfie
March 6th, 2007, 02:03 PM
True but I trust him more than the ori and I dont he would have been quite so smug in the episode if he thought the ori where going to stop him.

Yeah, Ba'al probably wanted to show off his malnipulation of Adria mind.

Ltcolshepjumper
March 6th, 2007, 02:04 PM
Problem is it would have been better if there had been more of them! If thousands or millions of Ori couldn't take on the Ancients. Then how would her having the same amount of power only by herself make her invulnerable.

Not to mention she Ascended in this galaxy & not in her own one.

Hence, if all the Ori combined couldn't take the ascended, then it's impossible for a single one with the same amount of power to take them out on her own.

The whole Ori thing was terribly handled. All that happens is they send it through in 1 ep & we are told they are gone. Then in the next Ori centric ep, their MW leader is then killed off.

I feel it's as much a cop-out as what they did in 'The Return II' with the Lanteans.

I'm sure we'll see Adria if even only briefly in the movie. However it would have been more fitting to have the Ori survive, along with Adria. Then have the Ori, Doci, Priors, Adria etc try to stop SG-1 in the movie.

Not to mention the Ba'al thing with all the clones being offed. How many is that now? Would be good if it were the last time, but it isn't. So hopefully in the 2nd movie, this arc will be gone for good also.

So true. You'd expect episodes like this to actually do something good with them and not off them the next ep or two.

poundpuppy29
March 6th, 2007, 02:07 PM
And the second part...........


Vala leaves the viewing room whilst the others watch.
Daniel follows and asks if she is ok. She tries to convince him she is fine but he is not convinced – she is her daughter after all. But Vala tries again to confirm she is ok and that Adria means nothing to her.

Back at the SGC – they bring Landry up to date.
Despite the fact that they killed both Baal and Adria on the same day, they don’t bet against both coming back at some point – probably worse and madder. They think that there is probably another Baal clone still out there and of course Adria could now have lots of powers.

Despite that and the worry about the future, Vala still says it is a step in the right direction – they have still dealt the Ori a big blow.



Thank you so much for this it won't let me green ya or I would
I can't wait to see it for myself I think I will like this ep for SL and shipper reasons I do have interests in both

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 02:07 PM
The thing about baal is how will we ever know if he is gone we will get closure on the ori but what about baal even in the second movie?

LadyWolfie
March 6th, 2007, 02:07 PM
I can see Skaara or shifu coming to there aid in the movie
Or king arthur and his knights now that would be cool.

Yeah! Skaara was in the original movie so it would be great if he was in the last moive too!

plus they should really say what happened to all the people on abydos! i mean you can't just ascend the entire planet and never follow up on it.

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 02:10 PM
When are we going to see that lead prior guy who we saw in season 9 or are we surely he will control the ori army now adria is gone if only for a short time.

rnwhocares
March 6th, 2007, 02:13 PM
screencaps anyone?!:)

LadyWolfie
March 6th, 2007, 02:13 PM
How can they be gone if they sent more ships through imediately after the sangral was set to go off. If it was a ticking bomb then nothing would of stoped it in less than a second. Something doesent quite add up.

Adria wasn't a proper Ori at the time so she wasn't affected and she has control of the super gate

LadyWolfie
March 6th, 2007, 02:15 PM
Hey can you tell me what is the facination with baal? Adira was the big threat although there are many clones of him around why is he so important to the plot. gotta admit that story did take a big twist I never thought about anyone puting a gaould inside adria.

So girls will watch the show, this is also the reason he doesn't speak like a gou'ald all the time :D

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 02:16 PM
Hey can you tell me what is the facination with baal? Adira was the big threat although there are many clones of him around why is he so important to the plot. gotta admit that story did take a big twist I never thought about anyone puting a gaould inside adria.

He is cool thats why and everyone loves the goauld the writers just want to keep them on in some way well thats my opinion anyway.He seems so much more evil as well.

Dean_186
March 6th, 2007, 02:16 PM
Awwk but still Its not fair that adira is gone - although she was insistant that the ORI were gods it wasent really her fault and through the episodes you could see that there was good in her- Not much but she didnt kill daniel jackson even after he build the Sangral and theres may other opertunitys to kill the SG1 Team but she hasent.

LadyWolfie
March 6th, 2007, 02:19 PM
Awwk but still Its not fair that adira is gone - although she was insistant that the ORI were gods it wasent really her fault and through the episodes you could see that there was good in her- Not much but she didnt kill daniel jackson even after he build the Sangral and theres may other opertunitys to kill the SG1 Team but she hasent.

only because it suited her at the time, she tried to kill her own mother!

i really thought she had a chance and that the Ori were just using her, but if she could ascend she must know all about the Ori not actually being Gods, so so was Evil

MasterPower
March 6th, 2007, 02:29 PM
Anyone got pictures? And how was the team together? Any good convos between each other, Mitchell/Vala, Teal'c/Carter, Carter/Daniel, etc?

g.o.d
March 6th, 2007, 02:31 PM
only because it suited her at the time, she tried to kill her own mother!

i really thought she had a chance and that the Ori were just using her, but if she could ascend she must know all about the Ori not actually being Gods, so so was Evil

and what is the God?how would you define it?as an all-knowing/powerful being?who says it must be an all-knowing/powerul being?

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 02:35 PM
^ lets not get philiosopical here lol.

Mitchell82
March 6th, 2007, 02:41 PM
This sounds like a wonderfull ep and I can't wait to see it. One question though. If Adria ascneded, I have a feeling they will be able to bring her back in the movie. thoughts?

Kazan
March 6th, 2007, 02:48 PM
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March 6th, 2007, 02:50 PM
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ShardsofGlass
March 6th, 2007, 02:52 PM
What's with the lack of Mitchell pictures whenever someone posts pictures on the ep threads?!

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 02:56 PM
^ mitchell wasnt in this one that much

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 02:57 PM
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poundpuppy29
March 6th, 2007, 02:59 PM
Thank you Kazan for the Summary and pics (I snagged a few ;) :D )You rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are Wicked Awesome

shelsfc
March 6th, 2007, 03:01 PM
That was a good ep...Ba'al taking over Adria, I did not see that coming at all! It would have been interesting to let that go on for a while if they could have. I know we'll see Ba'al again, and I'd be very surprised if we don't see Adria again, in one form or another. That's the point of having ascension as a plot device! :)

Gate Master
March 6th, 2007, 03:11 PM
It was a good ep aside from the lingering questions. It will be interesting to see how they end the show with alot to cover and such little time.

I was surprised how ineffective advanced humans are against the goauld taking them over, and their toxins which again puts the ancient healing power to shame.

One question tho, does any one know what appened to adria's shield in this ep cause she had it on but but didn't bother using it to stop them tagging her for beaming. Is it something ive missed or perhaps a convieniant plothole to ignore the shield in this ep.

Matt G
March 6th, 2007, 03:12 PM
1. Only Ba'al could have come up with the idea of taking over Adria. I assume he got the symbiote from a still living clone.

2. Definately liked the Vala plan.

3. Interesting that Vala feels pretty much nothing for Adria anymore.

4. Adria's ascended. Right.

Overall, trashes Family Ties and is in amongst the chasing pack for Pegasus Project!

Kazan
March 6th, 2007, 03:13 PM
What's with the lack of Mitchell pictures whenever someone posts pictures on the ep threads?!


Firstly - Give me a break!! Have you any idea how much effort it takes to do this! ;)
Secondly - I'm pretty sure that I put Cam pictures in when its relevant but the last couple of episodes have hardly been Cam centered! :)

crompton20
March 6th, 2007, 03:13 PM
half way through i thought this ep was gonna be a great tieing up ep like threads was in season 8, when baal killed his clones to end that story line i thought great were finally closing some plots and they were until the very end, where instead of leaving adri and baal dead or alive they left them in the "don't know" category. I assume we will see adria in film 1 and baal in film 2 but still its annoying knowing we will have to wait that long for a conclusion

but i agree with many this should have ended in a cliffhanger , tieing up 10 years worth of tv in 40 minutes is gonna be hard. What annoys me more though is that really the first film isn't needed and ONE good ep could finish SG1, and after 10 seasons we would have a complete story, if they want to add to that later we can, but finishing a story half done when the show ends i think is poor

Integrabyte
March 6th, 2007, 03:23 PM
After almost a month they finaly showed an episode where lill Adria is feisty and decides to put Vala at her side. This episode made me very sad two times. Once when Baal turns Adria and once when the Tok'ra almost poisoned her. It was about time the bad 'guy' survived the good guys. Now that Adria is the most powerfull Ori,has all the knowledge and power of the Ori,and leads the whole Ori army, I am looking forward to seeing the films/dvds to conclude the story. She will be a formidable enemy now that she is more powerfull.
8.5/10. Many things were rushed. How did they cloak the ship? Daniel had no idea how he did it when he was Merlin and Sam is lightyears away from something like that.

rnwhocares
March 6th, 2007, 03:35 PM
Firstly - Give me a break!! Have you any idea how much effort it takes to do this! ;)
Secondly - I'm pretty sure that I put Cam pictures in when its relevant but the last couple of episodes have hardly been Cam centered! :)
I thank you for those pics. Especially the one with Vala and Daniel:)

Gate Master
March 6th, 2007, 03:38 PM
How did they cloak the ship? Daniel had no idea how he did it when he was Merlin and Sam is lightyears away from something like that.
Its a good question. Its possible that sam has had time to review the moddifications made and use knowledge obtained from the atlantis expedition to better understand them. Its also quite likely they still dont know exactly how it works but its been modified in such a way that only a button push is requirred, so they are using it with out understanding how it was done

Boxytheboxed
March 6th, 2007, 03:45 PM
pertaiing to the 1st movie a 1 1/2 hour mobie is like 2 eps. I think it would have taken 2 eps to wrap up the story

jimmy
March 6th, 2007, 03:56 PM
I'm unaware of this being mentioned elsewhere, but did anyone else notice the reuse of footage from The Serpent's Lair pt. 2, all the way back from season 2?

When SG-1 bust in to ''save'' Adria, Sam is guarding a corridor and 2 Jaffa wander by, whom she promptly dispatches..the footage used is the same as when Daniel is attacked by 2 Jaffa while guarding a corridor in The Serpent's Lair pt. 2. Homage? Or budget constraints?

JanusAncient
March 6th, 2007, 04:50 PM
Adria isn't a simple follower of the Ori, she is Ori, a daughter of an ascended Ori.

MasterPower
March 6th, 2007, 05:16 PM
Adria gets better looking each and every episode.

Sauron18
March 6th, 2007, 05:40 PM
Adria isn't a simple follower of the Ori, she is Ori, a daughter of an ascended Ori.
Technically she was more than that, she was all of them in one. She was the perfect representation of the Ori, and now she's the Ori, which is fitting since she represented them all, and now she is essentially all of them.....cuz she's the only one left.

Dromag67
March 6th, 2007, 06:34 PM
Wow, a lot of cool twists and turns.

Glad I didn't read any of the spoilers, never thought of Baal being in this episode, and his use of the symbiote was perfect. We finally got to see more Tok'ra before the show ended, Adria ascending, can't wait to see what her plans are.

It definently rocked how they put so many different things all in one episode.

I'm definently pumped for the last episode.

9/10

Mitchell82
March 6th, 2007, 06:59 PM
Wow, a lot of cool twists and turns.

Glad I didn't read any of the spoilers, never thought of Baal being in this episode, and his use of the symbiote was perfect. We finally got to see more Tok'ra before the show ended, Adria ascending, can't wait to see what her plans are.

It definently rocked how they put so many different things all in one episode.

I'm definently pumped for the last episode.

9/10

Man this really sounds good. Still got about 2 hours till the Asgard drop my copy by.;) :D An Ascended Adria really sucks. She is now our biggest threat.

Dromag67
March 6th, 2007, 09:08 PM
Man this really sounds good. Still got about 2 hours till the Asgard drop my copy by.;) :D An Ascended Adria really sucks. She is now our biggest threat.

Now that you mention it, the Asgard are the one thing we didn't see in this episode! Hopefully next week.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
March 6th, 2007, 09:33 PM
Just got finished with it. Adria ascending was full of BS because the camera on Vala, and they should shown her ascending. Anywho, I thought it was the greatest second to last episode of the series. I'm happy we saw some Tok'ra on screen for once. I give it a ***.

ONE MORE EPISODE TO GO :(

Mitchell82
March 6th, 2007, 10:39 PM
Just got finished with it. Adria ascending was full of BS because the camera on Vala, and they should shown her ascending. Anywho, I thought it was the greatest second to last episode of the series. I'm happy we saw some Tok'ra on screen for once. I give it a ***.

ONE MORE EPISODE TO GO :(

Not really. The look on Vala's face, well played by CB by the way, was all we needed. We didnt need to see the glowy tadpole thing. This was an awsome episode. It hit all the high notes perfectly, obviously Ba'al isnt dead he is always two steps ahead of us. With the Ori actually dead, to borrow from Selmak from "The Serpants Venom" "Adria is now a bigger threat than ever before". Also noticed two uses of stockshots, the battle in the corridior, was from "The Serpants Lair" and the Goa'uld ship entering hyperspace was actually a Tok'ra controlled vessel with SG-1 on board from "Exodus". This was a great ep and really puts the battle with the Ori in a whole new light with Adria being the most powerfull enemy we have ever faced, this ep gets ****/****. Only one downpoint, ONLY ONE SG-1 EP LEFT!

Agent_Dark
March 6th, 2007, 10:42 PM
Haha, Sam was kicking arse on the G-36k. About time we got to see someone other than Mitchell use one. And Teal'c and those awesome glasses he had when they were cutting through the door! Badarse!

Mitchell82
March 6th, 2007, 10:47 PM
Haha, Sam was kicking arse on the G-36k. About time we got to see someone other than Mitchell use one. And Teal'c and those awesome glasses he had when they were cutting through the door! Badarse!

LOL Indeed! And I thought I was the only one who knew what that gun was!

SBacklin
March 6th, 2007, 10:49 PM
Did anyone else notice that when Adria ascended that the light reflection on Vala's face was white as if Daniel or one of the Ancients ascended and not the red reflection of flames that would represent the ascended Ori?

Mitchell82
March 6th, 2007, 10:52 PM
Did anyone else notice that when Adria ascended that the light reflection on Vala's face was white as if Daniel or one of the Ancients ascended and not the red reflection of flames that would represent the ascended Ori?

Ascension is ascension no matter what. If we saw flames it mean she was burned like Gerak.

PG15
March 6th, 2007, 11:13 PM
Wow...that was...I'm speechless. Great GREAT episode. It's just very hard to put it into words without doing the points system, which I reserve for regular episodes. But this...I need to write a normal review for this!

Let's get the obvious out first: God Adria was hot. Yes yes, young male hormones are acting up, but can you really blame me? The combined efforts of God, Morena Baccarin, and the costume and make-up people have created a sight to behold. I thank them for this, on behalf of all straight males and homosexual females.

Now, let's talk about Vala. You'd think having this much focus on her would make me get bored of her? Yeah, in your dreams. I loved her tonight; at the beginning, as I've been exposed to some minor spoilers, I knew it was all a plan, but right away I was unsure since, obviously, Adria would've known if she was lying; what's happening here? I was floored when it all unraveled once Vala got back to the SGC. Very good use of overall Stargate canon and references, and I loved her video. :D What's more, I really felt for her. She knew that there was pretty much no way out of that situation except for Adria to die, and I think all of the other characters warning her about it just made it that much clearer. I'm so glad they decided to focus just on Vala when Adria ascended, it made it a lot more personal than just a fancy lightshow with awesome music in the background. I tell ya, you could've read her like a book with the emotion she was displaying in that few seconds as she watched her daughter turn into light right before her eyes.

Wow, that was a big paragraph. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Claudia Black has to, HAS TO be involved in another Stargate series; it will be a shame for the franchise to not exploit cherish her obvious talents.

As with our hero's plans, I was floored by Ba'al's as well. It's nice when you get a villain that's always a step ahead of everyone else, and Ba'al is really the only one I can think of out of the whole Stargate franchise. I loved his little banter, and well, his Ba'al-ness. :D I'm very glad we'll be seeing more of him down the road

A little nitpick though...whatever happened to Adria's personal shield? Huh, I guess Danny disabled it permanently or something.

So, the Ori are dead eh? Good. I think that when we really think about it, the face of the Ori has always been the Priors, the soldiers, or Adria. Even though they go on and on about the Ori all the time, it's always been them that we've looked at, or talked to, or killed off. Let's see how our heroes handle the real bad guys of the Ori arc.

Just a short note about the other characters. It's true they weren't used that much in this episode, but I liked what they had, especially Danny. I'm a closet Vaniel fan (just starting to get into shipping, thanks to Avatar...no, not the Stargate episode), so I liked that bit where he picked up Vala's chin. What a nice guy. :D

We got to see the Tok'Ra again! :D

Finally, let's talk about that ending. There has been only a few instances in this entire show that I've been this tense during the ending (Pegasus Project and Camelot comes to mind), and boy, it warrented. For most of the time I was wondering whether Adria is really going to go, which, I'll admit, would be a huge development in Stargate that usually doesn't happen. I guess I should've known better. The panick-y-ness of Sam, Mitch, and Teal'c, coupled with a suffocating Daniel, AND adding on a tremendous score by Joel Goldsmith that played just as Vala watched Adria ascend...wow, can't beat that, although I'm sure it'll be fun watching them try. Truly one of the best moments of the show. I think that slow-mo shot of Vala as her face is lit up will be one of the defining moments of the show for me.

But...there is a weird feeling. This is, afterall, the penultimate episode of Stargate SG1. Even right now, it's hard to supress the sadness of that, which means I'll probably be crying (which I haven't done for...geez, years?) when Unending airs. I don't know if I can accept that. Of course, there is only one way to find out. Next Tuesday is the end of an era.

Score: 10/10

Mitchell82
March 6th, 2007, 11:18 PM
Wow...that was...I'm speechless. Great GREAT episode. It's just very hard to put it into words without doing the points system, which I reserve for regular episodes. But this...I need to write a normal review for this!

Let's get the obvious out first: God Adria was hot. Yes yes, young male hormones are acting up, but can you really blame me? The combined efforts of God, Morena Baccarin, and the costume and make-up people have created a sight to behold. I thank them for this, on behalf of all straight males and homosexual females.

Now, let's talk about Vala. You'd think having this much focus on her would make me get bored of her? Yeah, in your dreams. I loved her tonight; at the beginning, as I've been exposed to some minor spoilers, I knew it was all a plan, but right away I was unsure since, obviously, Adria would've known if she was lying; what's happening here? I was floored when it all unraveled once Vala got back to the SGC. Very good use of overall Stargate canon and references, and I loved her video. :D What's more, I really felt for her. She knew that there was pretty much no way out of that situation except for Adria to die, and I think all of the other characters warning her about it just made it that much clearer. I'm so glad they decided to focus just on Vala when Adria ascended, it made it a lot more personal than just a fancy lightshow with awesome music in the background. I tell ya, you could've read her like a book with the emotion she was displaying in that few seconds as she watched her daughter turn into light right before her eyes.

Wow, that was a big paragraph. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Claudia Black has to, HAS TO be involved in another Stargate series; it will be a shame for the franchise to not exploit cherish her obvious talents.

As with our hero's plans, I was floored by Ba'al's as well. It's nice when you get a villain that's always a step ahead of everyone else, and Ba'al is really the only one I can think of out of the whole Stargate franchise. I loved his little banter, and well, his Ba'al-ness. :D I'm very glad we'll be seeing more of him down the road

A little nitpick though...whatever happened to Adria's personal shield? Huh, I guess Danny disabled it permanently or something.

So, the Ori are dead eh? Good. I think that when we really think about it, the face of the Ori has always been the Priors, the soldiers, or Adria. Even though they go on and on about the Ori all the time, it's always been them that we've looked at, or talked to, or killed off. Let's see how our heroes handle the real bad guys of the Ori arc.

Just a short note about the other characters. It's true they weren't used that much in this episode, but I liked what they had, especially Danny. I'm a closet Vaniel fan (just starting to get into shipping, thanks to Avatar...no, not the Stargate episode), so I liked that bit where he picked up Vala's chin. What a nice guy. :D

We got to see the Tok'Ra again! :D

Finally, let's talk about that ending. There has been only a few instances in this entire show that I've been this tense during the ending (Pegasus Project and Camelot comes to mind), and boy, it warrented. For most of the time I was wondering whether Adria is really going to go, which, I'll admit, would be a huge development in Stargate that usually doesn't happen. I guess I should've known better. The panick-y-ness of Sam, Mitch, and Teal'c, coupled with a suffocating Daniel, AND adding on a tremendous score by Joel Goldsmith that played just as Vala watched Adria ascend...wow, can't beat that, although I'm sure it'll be fun watching them try. Truly one of the best moments of the show. I think that slow-mo shot of Vala as her face is lit up will be one of the defining moments of the show for me.

But...there is a weird feeling. This is, afterall, the penultimate episode of Stargate SG1. Even right now, it's hard to supress the sadness of that, which means I'll probably be crying (which I haven't done for...geez, years?) when Unending airs. I don't know if I can accept that. Of course, there is only one way to find out. Next Tuesday is the end of an era.

Score: 10/10

End of an era? Never! SG-1 will continue as long as us fans support it and remember it. Also about the shield she had it when she stepped through the gate so I just assumed ba'al took it off.

PG15
March 6th, 2007, 11:20 PM
Hmmm...good point, but the Jaffa had problem putting a tag onto her...eh, no big deal.

I mean "end of an era" as in the end of the show. Even if SG1 will live on forever (which it will; don't deny it), it's still something pretty big. :(

Web Of Hair
March 6th, 2007, 11:20 PM
I called it!

Ba'al takes Adria as a host!

Way back! They did it I am so happy! Best way to basically end SG1 season 10.

But if you remember I had Adria in kid form with glowy eyes.... Sweeeeet!! Even though this is not the very last episode, I am happy with how it ended.

inevaexisted
March 6th, 2007, 11:36 PM
havent seen this one yet...though if adria ascended it wont be long b4 she breaks one of the rules and the 'others' send her some punishment...suprised actually that they didnt intervene as she was ascending...

PG15
March 6th, 2007, 11:43 PM
Actually, why can't she just leave the Milky Way? We know the Ascended plane has a sense of distance. Why don't she just go over to the Ori galaxy or something? That way, the Ancients can't touch her...maybe.

Chaka's_Mum
March 6th, 2007, 11:45 PM
What can I add that hasn't already been said? Not much - apart from major wow.

What an amazing ep! CB as excellent as ever (no surprise there, eh?). I loved the scene where she recorded a message to herself for when they got her back to the SGC and had to tell her her memories were implanted. Is she capable of taking anything seriously? I hope not. It's much more fun that way.

Ba'al being his usual smarmy self - and not letting up on the random atrocities, I see. I bet CS had much fun being a roomful of corpses!

I don't know how many others would (or do) agree with me, but Ba'al really has turned out to be the top Goa'uld baddy for the whole Series. He's incredibly smart, a techno-magpie, shifty, smug (a lot of s's there, I note) and always seems to be one step ahead; so everyone is scrambling along playing catch up. He's good exercise for people who like to make plans up as they go along.

Only downer - this was the penultimate episode! There is only one more to go!!!

:jack_new_anime25: :samanime15: :danielanime08: :tealcanime22::vala09: :cameronanime12:

illspirit
March 6th, 2007, 11:58 PM
I'm pretty sure we've not seen the last of Baal because:

If I remember right, he's in one of the films to come.

Naonak
March 7th, 2007, 12:10 AM
Okay, first off: Baal was a proper bad guy again!!! :D :D :D And we even got a couple of lines in the proper Goa'uld voice.
Damn, he's cool...

Anyway, what a great episode. There was a great sense of tension throughout.

A few nice moments with Daniel and Vala.

If season 11 had been picked up, Dominion would have made a great season finale. (with a cliffhanger)

9.5/10

Mitchell82
March 7th, 2007, 12:34 AM
Okay, first off: Baal was a proper bad guy again!!! :D :D :D And we even got a couple of lines in the proper Goa'uld voice.
Damn, he's cool...

Anyway, what a great episode. There was a great sense of tension throughout.

A few nice moments with Daniel and Vala.

If season 11 had been picked up, Dominion would have made a great season finale. (with a cliffhanger)

9.5/10
Indeed it would. But answer this, is it me or do most female Goa'ulds sound the same when speaking as the symbiote?

g.o.d
March 7th, 2007, 12:39 AM
I just finished watching.WOW best episode in 10 years ever!!Absolutely brilliant.Vala did a great job as well as the rest of the SG1+Ball+and of course Adria.She was really hot in her new outfit;) I can't believe that we have to wait a year for a conclusion.I'm sure we'll see her againg(at least I hope:) )

Dromag67
March 7th, 2007, 12:47 AM
I just finished watching.WOW best episode in 10 years ever!!Absolutely brilliant.Vala did a great job as well as the rest of the SG1+Ball+and of course Adria.She was really hot in her new outfit;) I can't believe that we have to wait a year for a conclusion.I'm sure we'll see her againg(at least I hope:) )

I'm pretty sure they were taking about a late summer/fall release for the 1st movie, so I hope it isn't a full year!

g.o.d
March 7th, 2007, 12:48 AM
I'm pretty sure they were taking about a late summer/fall release for the 1st movie, so I hope it isn't a full year!


I hope so...

Integrabyte
March 7th, 2007, 01:32 AM
Being the second to last episode made people ignore the fact that it was one of the most flawed episodes in Season 10. I liked it a lot, do not misunderstand me, but it had some bounty-family-ties thing about it. Do not chop my head off for not praising this episode like 99% of the people here.

1. About the cloak on the Odyssey, there is no reason and proof to believe Sam managed suddenly to do it. She could not have done this even with data gathered from Atlantis. I ask you, what data? I mean Rodney is to busy with lemons than actually interfacing a puddle jumper cloak with Daedalus or Apollo. There is no cloak of this magnitude in either shows .

2. Let's turn now to the ORI Armada. What happened to it? Plenty of ships came to the MW and plenty remained.

3. That random device used to replace Vala's memories. When did they get it? Not even the Goa'uld had something so advanced.



In my opinion the last episode about the Ori should have been the one with Merlin. The cast should have started filming the FILM use Dominion (filling all the voids in this episode) and finish the Ori storyline. The film could start with a properly done DOMINION, continue with super god Adria ascended who decides to destroy SG1 and convert the whole galaxy, etc. A properly done FILM is worth more than a flawed episode...

freetoken
March 7th, 2007, 01:33 AM
The whole Ori thing was terribly handled. All that happens is they send it through in 1 ep & we are told they are gone. Then in the next Ori centric ep, their MW leader is then killed off.

I feel it's as much a cop-out as what they did in 'The Return II' with the Lanteans.

I agree. Way too convenient techniques of offing your enemies which are supposed to be so powerful.

Overall it was an ok episode but with only 41 minutes in a single TV episode there was too much trying to be accomplished, so parts of the plot were touched on too lightly.

Regarding Adria's special necklace/protector. She had explained before that it was part of the Ori holy city (Celestes I believe the name was.) With the Ori dead one would presume that any such relic, which did not operate via her own advanced human capabilities, would no longer be useful. Thus another confirmation of the Ori's death.

Also, the writers have long established that the Ascended beings that hang around the MilkyWay, which include ascended Ancients but others as well, will not tolerate ascended beings playing God and interfering directly. So we can safely assume that the ascended Adria will not be able to do much with the remaining Ori armies still in the MilkyWay, much less the Earth.

As such, I suspect in the movie we will see Adria either (1) reincarnated if she insists on staying in the MilkyWay, or (2) back in the Ori galaxy, either reincarnated or in an ascended state.

In summary, I'm convinced that we can now know that Merlin's device worked (at least in a limited way), and the SG-1's remaining task is cleaning up the leaderless armies. However, there exists the possibility that the Ori galaxy now has one supremely sexy ascended Ori controlling.

g.o.d
March 7th, 2007, 01:36 AM
Integrabyte:You're right about that.This episode should have lasted for 60+ minutes to explain everything.TPTB created more questions(about Ori/Ancients, Ori armada, cloaking the Odyssey and that device)

B O Y S C O U T
March 7th, 2007, 01:50 AM
Great episode, I loved the digs at dancing with the stars . . . Just wish I could watch the movies NOW lol :)

carterrocks
March 7th, 2007, 01:53 AM
Did anyone else notice that when Adria ascended that the light reflection on Vala's face was white as if Daniel or one of the Ancients ascended and not the red reflection of flames that would represent the ascended Ori?


What makes you think theres a red reflection of flames representing ascended Ori???
Up until now we didnt think their followers could ascended and we have never seen an ascended Ori. I think your refering to the whole fire prior turning ori guy, he wasnt ascended i think he was just a uber prior.

Integrabyte
March 7th, 2007, 02:01 AM
Also, the writers have long established that the Ascended beings that hang around the MilkyWay, which include ascended Ancients but others as well, will not tolerate ascended beings playing God and interfering directly. So we can safely assume that the ascended Adria will not be able to do much with the remaining Ori armies still in the MilkyWay, much less the Earth


They will not interfere. They allowed Anubis to do what he pleased. He was caught between two planes of existence, true, but he was not normal and had access to knowledge known only by the ancients. Luckily DANIEL convinced OMA to sacrifice herself, otherwise...


A couple things need to be praised but not related to the storyline.

1. Morena played extremely well. When she was Baal she smirked and smiled exactly like him. She did a very good job copying Cliff Simon.
2. Claudia Black overshadowed everyone. The way she acted shows she is a very valuable asset to the show. She has this tough girl image yet you can see how sad she was that Adria was a Goa'uld, the extraction failed, and when the Tok'ra wanted to kill Adria.


I wonder, had Vala had the chance to use her weapon....would she kill Adria? I mean Adria did say "I wondered if you...". But Vala is unpredictable :P we cannot assume she would actually kill Adria with her own hands ;).


Back to the bad parts...


1. Daniel uses the EM device, gets past Adria's personal shield, with Merlin's last breath hits her and she falls on the floor unconscious. What happens to Adria after the ship goes through the super gate? She wakes up like after a hangover and decides to come back? There is no development in the story since they announced they will cancel the show.

2. There is no proof that CELESTIS was destroyed. I mean, the city was inhabited by the ori but it was not "ascended" or anything similar in order to be affected by Merlin's device, if you catch my drift. So all the Ori are destroyed but why is the City destroyed? Does Adria get back to Celestis, sees all the ORI dead? I mean if you wipe out all the ascended ancients you will not destroy Atlantis with them.
3. Adria's shield. If the city had no connection to the ORI and Ascended beings why did it not protect her? The necklace had a piece from Celestis. Adria ravishes a bar with her powers in order to protect her "mother". If she can do this, why would her shield not work? I mean there is nothing in the episode to show that her shield is "out of power" :P.
4. How did SG1 know they would actually capture Adria? Every time they had her one on one they lost. The Quest 1&2 episodes, Mitchell says "Why do I bother"? ....Why does he bother this time? You would think he knows her shield will not work? But where in the episode he gets this information.

5. Then the jaffa comes and tags Adria like she would be some kind of slave? What's up with that? How did the jaffa know her shield will not work?
6. Since when can you get a lock on Adria even if you tag her?


TPTB, turned Adria in two episodes from the most powerful being to everyone's slave without actually showing why she became that way. We can only assume but the episodes do not support the assumptions....

They slowly killed SEASON 10 just to continue Atlantis....

pbellosom
March 7th, 2007, 02:58 AM
[QUOTE=Integrabyte;6410850]
1. About the cloak on the Odyssey, there is no reason and proof to believe Sam managed suddenly to do it. She could not have done this even with data gathered from Atlantis. I ask you, what data? I mean Rodney is to busy with lemons than actually interfacing a puddle jumper cloak with Daedalus or Apollo. There is no cloak of this magnitude in either shows . [QUOTE]

Daniel added it when he had merlin's mind

[QUOTE=Integrabyte;6410850]3. That random device used to replace Vala's memories. When did they get it? Not even the Goa'uld had something so advanced. [QUOTE]

I assumed it came from the planet in season 4's beneath the surface.

Also why would Vala's shield protect her from someone putting a tag on her? The reason why the shield did not protect her was that no-one was attacking her, they put a tag on her arm and then beamed her up, they then took the shield off her.

How long has Ba'al been using beaming technology instead of rings?

Why aren't the quotes working?

Popeston
March 7th, 2007, 03:21 AM
That random device used to replace Vala's memories. When did they get it? Not even the Goa'uld had something so advanced

That device was in Collateral Damage in Season 9, the Galarans built it after studying a Goa'uld memory device. And it appeared again in Stronghold when Cam uses it to share his memories with his dying friend.

nerus
March 7th, 2007, 03:21 AM
They will not interfere. They allowed Anubis to do what he pleased. He was caught between two planes of existence, true, but he was not normal and had access to knowledge known only by the ancients. Luckily DANIEL convinced OMA to sacrifice herself, otherwise....



they only allowed anubis to do that becuase they wanted to punish oma

Integrabyte
March 7th, 2007, 03:26 AM
Daniel added it when he had merlin's mind

I agree, so why did it work in this episode and it did not work in the episodes between the one where Daniel puts it and Dominion? Why does it suddenly work now?


they only allowed anubis to do that becuase they wanted to punish oma

Okay, so let me get this straight :P. The Ancients punish Oma by letting Anubis do what he wants and then they punish her again when she kills him...that sucks :P.


Also why would Vala's shield protect her from someone putting a tag on her? The reason why the shield did not protect her was that no-one was attacking her, they put a tag on her arm and then beamed her up, they then took the shield off her.

A very, very, very....dodgy explanation ....but it could work....

MechaThor
March 7th, 2007, 03:30 AM
The TV film about the Ori better have a beter climax than this one as it was a rubbish last Ori episode for the TV series. I mean the Gou'ald and replicators went out with a BANG in reckoning and this one did not even have open space battle. Not what i was hoping for at all. All it was was talk talk talk.

I hope the film has a massive battle againist the Ori like Camalot did only 10x bigger with loads of ships and allies and ori and ancants flying around. I mean iu am disapointed that the ori are dead as i wanted 2 see them die as there flames burnt out and city falls apart.

Also if she accended she would become an Ori in the Milky Way there4 would the ancients have takern action and killed her as its the number 1 rule brokern? No Ori in the MW?

However the CGI Goa'uld was cool looks so i gess that was a plus.

overall 4/10. Lets hope next weeks episode goes out with a bang.

HyperCaz
March 7th, 2007, 03:42 AM
All of the episode held my attention...very interesting. Don't know why they didn't put this one earlier. Not fantastic, but bloody good (by the standards of season 10 only...). Nice to see that the Tok'ra are still hanging around, but they and their fight against the Ori ought to have be shown at some point. More scenes where the rabid shipper in me swore there was D/V stuff going on (but I was disappointed...however I'm glad that I was lol).

I liked this one a lot and even going by other standards, still good.

Prior_of_the_Ori
March 7th, 2007, 04:02 AM
3. That random device used to replace Vala's memories. When did they get it? Not even the Goa'uld had something so advanced.

The 'random device' was a Galaran memory implant technology that was seen last season when Mitchell was framed on the Galaran homeworld for the death of a scientist. So its not random.

Goa'uld have been known to use brainwashing technology before. Za'tarc. Ryac was subject to brainwashing as well as Teal'c at one time.

Jades
March 7th, 2007, 04:31 AM
Great to see a well done episode, especially after last week's clunker. The plot was fairly dense and fast-paced and provided an interesting conclusion (for now) to the Ori arc. The episode was Vala centric (with a fair bit of Daniel thrown in) and Claudia Black delivered a nuanced performance portraying Vala's conflicted feelings regarding Adria. I would've liked to have seen some more character driven moments for Cam but there were some good Cam/Vala and Daniel/Vala interactions. Teal'c was under-utilised as per usual but CJ made the most of what he was given and Sam got to kick some arse, which is always good to see. :)

Another plus for the episode was that Baal was once again an interesting and formidable villain. The cloning plot turned his character into a farce and made all his interactions with SG-1 inconsequential as everything could just be reset in a future episode. Glad to see that potentially the clones are gone.

Anyway, I'm sorry that the show is nearing the end. Bring on the movies. :D


What's with the lack of Mitchell pictures whenever someone posts pictures on the ep threads?!

Here's a few Mitchell screen caps from the ep (pics under the spoiler cut due to size).

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Death From Above
March 7th, 2007, 04:49 AM
Watched it on Sky HD with my new 32'' LCD HD TV last night for the first time, it was a beautiful thing, how Stargate, indeed all TV should be watched, really was something.

Pitry
March 7th, 2007, 05:00 AM
...What?...
I mean, seriuosly. What?!

Dominion has quite a lot in common with the Shroud, and I'm not referring to plot points here. Both episodes have me at a compelte loss as to why the writers are pursuing this particular direction of the plot.
If in Shroud we saw them (supposedly, maybe, possibly) killing the Orii, here they just... ascended Adria to create back that ascended badguy an episode before SG1 is over. What's the point. I mean, really. For a movie, the armies of the Orii are a problem of their own. They don't need to add on them the uber-bad-guy, and if they wanted an uber-bad-guy for this story, well, what're the Orii for? The much creepier, faceless idea, rather than a cliche badguy who has been disappointing me more and more as the season progressed.

Can someone, please, for the life of me, explain why the Ancients let Adria ascend? Please? Anyone...? *waiting* it stands to reason they've learned their lesson witht he Orii and wouldn't;ve let that situation repeat itself.... or mayeb I'm wrong. Who knows, maybe the Ancients really do have a collective intelligence lower than the one of Heroes' Mr Muggles.

Cool thnigs that happeend - Ba'al implenting Adria with his symbiote. Ha! OH, and killing a bunch of is clones. I know it's not all of them, and yet, I could still hope *does a little dance* the cloes are dead the clones are dead!
*cough* ahem, yes, Dominion. Liked the little memory-silliness they did Vala. Ah, poor gal. CB's tendency to play everything a tad bit more angsty than I would have perferred annoyed me less than it did last wek, and she's still a joy when she's not trying to over-angst Vala, so yay :) I still feel unsatisfied with teh whole Vala/ Adria dynamics. It could have been so, so much more than it actually was. And now they got the easy way out of that relationship, as Adrai's an ascended being and Vala can continue telling herself she's not at all a part of her.
Quite a change, BTW, from the (very lvoely) arguement in Counterstrike of what Vala migth have been able to do because she's her mother, and the rather obvious pain she displayed there when she thought Adria was dead. That's teh problem with an unexplored relationship.

Dominion, BTW, is an excellent example that packed episodes don't have to be rushed. I didn't feel there was a pacing problem whatsoever with this episode, even tho with everything that happened it might as well have been a two-parter. I wonder if this is how they meant to close ths season originally...

Teal'c's smugness with Ba'al dying, clones of Bas'al dying, suggestino they kill Adria when she's Ba'al... and generally Teal'c's reaction to Ba'al... *hgus Teal'c*

So, yeah, good episode. Would have been better earlier in the season. Hell, would have been much better had they gone with the original diea of having Shroud as 3 episodes then Dominion right aftewards. Well, Bad Guys would have been a shame to loose so stick Bad Guys somewhere in there as well.

UlsterBob
March 7th, 2007, 05:09 AM
Fantastic episode!! Glad that Ba'al actually implanted the symbiote and didn't hang around until SG-1 turns up to be stopped from doing it!! And good to hear Ba'al's proper Goa'uld voice again at long last, even if it was one line.

And surely why would SG-1 have assumed Ba'al was dead, even if those two Ba'als were the last ones. The one that was shot would probably be put into a sarcophagus to be revived (rather forgotten about that piece of tech, haven't they??)

grasshopper64
March 7th, 2007, 05:28 AM
...What?...
I mean, seriuosly. What?!

Can someone, please, for the life of me, explain why the Ancients let Adria ascend? Please? Anyone...? *waiting* it stands to reason they've learned their lesson witht he Orii and wouldn't;ve let that situation repeat itself.... or mayeb I'm wrong. Who knows, maybe the Ancients really do have a collective intelligence lower than the one of Heroes' Mr Muggles.

Dominion, BTW, is an excellent example that packed episodes don't have to be rushed. I didn't feel there was a pacing problem whatsoever with this episode, even tho with everything that happened it might as well have been a two-parter. I wonder if this is how they meant to close ths season originally...

So, yeah, good episode. Would have been better earlier in the season. Hell, would have been much better had they gone with the original diea of having Shroud as 3 episodes then Dominion right aftewards. Well, Bad Guys would have been a shame to loose so stick Bad Guys somewhere in there as well.


I was thinking the exact same thing about The Ancients, they seem to have been forgotten. OK so they've not exactly been helpful in the past, the whole non-interference rule and everything but still. Adria's ascension just felt too easy.
Remember Anubis, they tried to send him back and he got stuck halfway, somehow I don't see the same thing happening with Adria.

Anyway this wasn't a bad ep but I felt it might have been better as a two parter, it did all feel a bit rushed to me.

Did anyone pick up on Vala's references to Celebrity Come Dancing or whatever it's called? They sure have been throwing in the pop-culture references of late.

My main problem with this ep was it being a bit heavy on the Daniel/Vala. That scene between them I really didn't like, it felt like it was meant to be shippy and they were just way too close to each other - ick.
And once again Daniel has most of his interaction with Vala, they have so neglected the Daniel/Sam/Teal'c friendships.

Anyway overall it was ok, but it just feels like a lacklustre end to 10 years.

Hypochondriac
March 7th, 2007, 05:30 AM
Nice episode, but had way too many inconsistencies. I guessing since it's the second to last episode TPTB guessed we would forgive them. Several questions.

1- Doesn't Adria still have super strength? She could have easily kicked jaffa butt.
I'm basing this on The Quest. Adria didn't have mind powers but was still able to list the Iron gate with One hand while the all of Sg-1 combined couldn't budge it.

2- I don't buy Ba'al being able to take over Adria, that was to easy she should have been able to fight him off. After isn't there a species in MW that the Goa'uld can't take as hosts? You would think the Ori would do the same for Adria.

3- How did Ba'al know where they were?

4- How did the cloak they ship? Sam couldn't figure it out.

Can anyone answer these questions?

sgeureka
March 7th, 2007, 05:37 AM
I totally loved this episode. The first 15 minutes were 10/10, then it got a little slower, but it picked up to a 10/10 ending again, fortunately. So 9/10 all in all.

This episode could have served as a good open-ended (ironic?) finale to the Ori arc if there were no future movies. It could be interpreted that all Ba'al clones had died in the meeting, and the last original Ba'al was shot by SG-1. The Ascended Ori could have well been toast after the events of "The Shroud", and without a leader, the human Ori followers would likely not have done anything about the MW in the future, so we'd be safe. Anyway, I'm still looking forward to more to come.

I really liked how the scenes between Daniel and Vala were written and acted. I usually feel the urge to throw up when blatant ship is written into a show. Not here. The scene with lipstick/chewing-gum Vala and "Vala!!"-Daniel was hilarious. Whatever will come ship-wise next week, I'm prepared (and I think I'll enjoy it).

The only thing that I didn't really enjoy was the casting of the Tok'ra guy. I also still think that the new spaceship captain doesn't have the presence that the other captains had. But those two guys just had minor parts. Everyone else really shone in this ep.


Then the big question becomes how can we stop her if indeed she is the only Ori in the universe then all of that power from the worshippers is going to her, and now that she is an ascended being what can we do?? and i highly doubt that the ancients will interfere thats if they are still aroundUnless Adria pulls a Anubis, she can't really do much harm as an Ascended being in the MW. But the writers could find a way to make this assumption wrong.


One question tho, does any one know what appened to adria's shield in this ep cause she had it on but but didn't bother using it to stop them tagging her for beaming. Is it something ive missed or perhaps a convieniant plothole to ignore the shield in this ep.It didn't work because of this blue-light flashy thing, IIRC.


1. About the cloak on the Odyssey, there is no reason and proof to believe Sam managed suddenly to do it. She could not have done this even with data gathered from Atlantis. I ask you, what data? I mean Rodney is to busy with lemons than actually interfacing a puddle jumper cloak with Daedalus or Apollo. There is no cloak of this magnitude in either shows . They could have added a single sentence in like "Hey, we got it to work somehow. There was just a wrong zero in a subroutine." Another way around this problem in writing could have been to use a cloaked cargo ship, beam onboard the mothership and do everything needed to be done, and then go back to the the Earth ship. But that would need an extra five or ten story minutes to set it up, so they cut right to the exciting stuff. Hm. *shrugs*


2. Let's turn now to the ORI Armada. What happened to it? Plenty of ships came to the MW and plenty remained.Seing that a planar MW has a diameter of 100.000 light years, that would make an area of roughly 0.5*10^35 square miles where the ships could be. If all Ori ships were evenly distributed in the MW, and that a ship could see for a million miles, the chance that they would meet would be roughly 0.00000000000000000005 percent. If if I calculated wrong and got a few zeros too many, the chance is still astronomically low. They only meet Ori ships when the story requires it.


3. That random device used to replace Vala's memories. When did they get it? Not even the Goa'uld had something so advanced.
The Zatark technology sounded pretty advanced. I don't know why a device like in this episode would seem less likely to exist. But I agree, it seemed to come out of nowhere. ETA: See Popeston's post.

The Great Lord Baal
March 7th, 2007, 05:41 AM
^^ This is just my opinion but heres what I think
1- Doesn't Adria still have super strength? She could have easily kicked jaffa butt. Well if all her powers where nullified it would include her strength

2- I don't buy Ba'al being able to take over Adria, that was to easy she should have been able to fight him off. After isn't there a species in MW that the Goa'uld can't take as hosts? You would think the Ori would do the same for Adria.Well I doubt the ori thought such an inferior race would be able be able to get the chance of trapping the seemingly all powerful orisi.The race that the goauld couldnt control was that of aras boch he said it was something to do with there blood that rejected the symbiote(nothing to do with mental ability)

3- How did Ba'al know where they were?He is in control of the trust they did have spys in the stargate program they were able to beam the stargate out because of a spy not to mention he brainwashed barett earlier in the season

4- How did the cloak they ship? Sam couldn't figure it out.Heres what I think it was the shroud we saw the ship cloak right did we see it uncloak after maybe it has been cloaked sense then (now I could be totally wrong on this one)

Hypochondriac
March 7th, 2007, 05:42 AM
Possible reason why the Ancients didn't stop her

Wasn't Adria only working for the Ori because she considers them good.

Is it possible she's on our side now, since she ascended and knows the truth behind the Ori/Ancients. Or is this just wishful thinking

Hypochondriac
March 7th, 2007, 05:44 AM
^^ This is just my opinion but heres what I think
1- Doesn't Adria still have super strength? She could have easily kicked jaffa butt. Well if all her powers where nullified it would include her strength

2

Her powers were nullified in The Quest but she still has the super strength.

The Great Lord Baal
March 7th, 2007, 05:47 AM
Possible reason why the Ancients didn't stop her

Wasn't Adria only working for the Ori because she considers them good.

Is it possible she's on our side now, since she ascended and knows the truth behind the Ori/Ancients. Or is this just wishful thinking

Another possible reason is she ascended by herself unlike anubis who tricked oma That would explain why they didnt stop the ori when they began to ascend.

sgeureka
March 7th, 2007, 05:53 AM
Can someone, please, for the life of me, explain why the Ancients let Adria ascend? Please? Anyone...? *waiting* it stands to reason they've learned their lesson witht he Orii and wouldn't;ve let that situation repeat itself.... or mayeb I'm wrong.I thought they let anyone ascend who is able to do so on his own. Adria was obviously able to do so, and the MW Ancients/Ascended beings would watch everything she does in her ascended state. Actually that means less harm than if she was still in her human state.

Good job, Ancients! :D

Steve_the_Wraith
March 7th, 2007, 05:53 AM
Really cool to see the Tok'ra again, that was brilliant

SBacklin
March 7th, 2007, 06:02 AM
Ascension is ascension no matter what. If we saw flames it mean she was burned like Gerak.
Maybe, but, in the episode 'Origin', we seen an ascended Ori, they looked like fire. The ascended Ori weren't the white light like the Ancients.

SBacklin
March 7th, 2007, 06:09 AM
What makes you think theres a red reflection of flames representing ascended Ori???
Up until now we didnt think their followers could ascended and we have never seen an ascended Ori. I think your refering to the whole fire prior turning ori guy, he wasnt ascended i think he was just a uber prior.
In the episode 'Origin', we see an ascended Ori take over the body of the Doci and also turn a guy into a Prior. They ascended Ori had the appearance of fire.

Platschu
March 7th, 2007, 06:34 AM
Great episode. 10/10. :D

What happened with Adria's personal shield? When Baal put her into the cage
she wears it, but later there is nowhere the necklace. Hmmm. :o

The Ori are fire elemantals, when they are ascended. We could see one in "Crusade" above Vala's bed.

The third group is the black cloud (Anubis and the aliens from Hide and seek). Is there any connection between them? :)

ShardsofGlass
March 7th, 2007, 06:37 AM
Here's a few Mitchell screen caps from the ep (pics under the spoiler cut due to size).

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Thank you, thank you, thank you! You're the best. I KNEW Mitchell had to be in the ep. :)

aaron54
March 7th, 2007, 06:42 AM
oh what a amazing episode baal taking over adria was great but then when she asended she filled the gap left by the ori but at least we can be sure they are dead now :P but adria is asended in the milky way so arent the ancients going to do somthing about it? also she is there to control her army and she is like almost invincible now id like to see how they finish this now she is asended what will beocme of her its not like tehy have another san graal so its not like they can kill her

ggrr damn why do they have to make the last half of season 10 so damn good just after deciding to cancel it i really hope the rating go up and they decide to keep it running as a result

Colonel Eriksen
March 7th, 2007, 07:15 AM
The Ori are dead Baal have no reson to lie and now were Adria have ascend she is the leader of the Ori Followers and she can have all the power for a herself and she has the knowledge of the goa´uld

The Great Lord Baal
March 7th, 2007, 07:21 AM
^ thats true about baal he seemed quite smug when he said it.

Web Of Hair
March 7th, 2007, 07:26 AM
What makes you think theres a red reflection of flames representing ascended Ori???
Up until now we didnt think their followers could ascended and we have never seen an ascended Ori. I think your refering to the whole fire prior turning ori guy, he wasnt ascended i think he was just a uber prior.

If you go back to the first episode where they introduce the Ori the glow red and not blue/white.

However in the Shroud when she Priorizes Daniel she glows blue/white.....

SaberBlade
March 7th, 2007, 07:51 AM
Dominion is the episode I would consider to be the true finale of the series, and with that said, it was an excellent episode.

Firstly, Adria looked great. Morena Baccarin next stops amazing me with how great she can look.

I really enjoyed this episode, and it was good to see Baal (although in a small role) playing a big part of the episode. I was disappointed to see that Baal (or a clone of his symbiote) could take over Adria. To me, I would have thought the Orii would have come up with a way to stop that from happening and have given her natural healing powers.

As much as I would have liked to believed Baal, I can't see the Orii being dead. If Adria was the last, and if she got all the Orii power, she alone would still not be strong enough to take on the Ancients, plus why would SG1 need to visit the Orii galaxy in AotC just to defeat her? The Ancients would just come in and gang rape her out of existance.

But I do think having her ascend was an interesting touch, considering the Orii aren't supposed to ascend anyone because they don't want to share.

Congerking
March 7th, 2007, 07:57 AM
ARGGGG..a lot of you are missing the point concerning adria ascending. In Threads, Oma says something along the lines of "you are supposed to ascend on your own." That's what adria did. The ancients didn't stop her because NO ONE WAS HELPING HER. Her ascending was of her own free will and thus they had no reason to stop her. As to the point of why when she ascended she was glowy white instead of glowy fire, I would assume that you can ascend/appear however you want to appear. The ancients can control lightning, but you don't see their ascended for as electricity. The ori believed as part of their religion that fire, red, warmth was power and they appeared that way. I suppose adria did what she wanted, after all, she knew what the ori truly were.

The Great Lord Baal
March 7th, 2007, 08:01 AM
^Im prety sure someone has already said that

Congerking
March 7th, 2007, 08:11 AM
^Im prety sure someone has already said that


I know, but I keep reading people asking why did the ancients let her ascend as well.

The Great Lord Baal
March 7th, 2007, 08:13 AM
^ I can understand that :D

Commander Ivanova
March 7th, 2007, 08:25 AM
If people only read the last couple of posts, of course the argument is going to go round and round in circles.

The Great Lord Baal
March 7th, 2007, 08:30 AM
^ well thats true

g.o.d
March 7th, 2007, 08:58 AM
^ I can understand that :D

but many people didn't.I wrote that here many times

gkyun
March 7th, 2007, 09:00 AM
ARGGGG..a lot of you are missing the point concerning adria ascending. In Threads, Oma says something along the lines of "you are supposed to ascend on your own." That's what adria did. The ancients didn't stop her because NO ONE WAS HELPING HER. Her ascending was of her own free will and thus they had no reason to stop her. As to the point of why when she ascended she was glowy white instead of glowy fire, I would assume that you can ascend/appear however you want to appear. The ancients can control lightning, but you don't see their ascended for as electricity. The ori believed as part of their religion that fire, red, warmth was power and they appeared that way. I suppose adria did what she wanted, after all, she knew what the ori truly were.

Still the Milky Way is protected from any Ori presence. Granted Adria can ascend but wouldn't the Ancients whoop her pretty ass like crazy considering that there's an ascended cold war going on?

Seldini
March 7th, 2007, 09:02 AM
I'm sorry, but it is pure bullcrap that no one bothered to bring the Anti-Prior device down into the recovery room when Adria is dying. Seriously, the thing probably weighs about as much as a laptop and no one made the effort to bring it in the room to make SURE Adria doesn't try any funny business with her powers. Yeah, she was dying, but why take the chance at all? That just seemed like an enormous and inexplicable oversight to me.

Congerking
March 7th, 2007, 09:11 AM
I'm sorry, but it is pure bullcrap that no one bothered to bring the Anti-Prior device down into the recovery room when Adria is dying. Seriously, the thing probably weighs about as much as a laptop and no one made the effort to bring it in the room to make SURE Adria doesn't try any funny business with her powers. Yeah, she was dying, but why take the chance at all? That just seemed like an enormous and inexplicable oversight to me.

That is a good point, but I like to think of it as Adria was overcoming the effects of it. Still, they could have added like 6 seconds of time to put the device in the room as she was dying, then having vala yell through the door "SHE'S OVERCOMING IT!" That's all it would have taken.....

Pitry
March 7th, 2007, 09:16 AM
I thought they let anyone ascend who is able to do so on his own. Adria was obviously able to do so, and the MW Ancients/Ascended beings would watch everything she does in her ascended state. Actually that means less harm than if she was still in her human state.

Good job, Ancients! :D

I'm not so sure. She didn't reach this state by natural evolution - she was specificaly born that way so that the Orii could cheat. Furthermore, she's actually an Orii. Yes, the Ancients would watch everything she does, but will it be enough? They've thrown thesmevles into a corner witht he Orii in the first place, granted. But it'd only make sense ot make sure the situation doesn't repeat itself...

Smallrus
March 7th, 2007, 09:26 AM
1- Doesn't Adria still have super strength? She could have easily kicked jaffa butt.

There has never been any implication that Adria had super strength. This is pure speculation on your part. In The Quest Part I the gate opened once everyone attempted to lift it at once. It was the same premise as the treasure chest - everyone needed to make a donation for the shield to dissipate.

Hypochondriac
March 7th, 2007, 09:42 AM
There has never been any implication that Adria had super strength. This is pure speculation on your part. In The Quest Part I the gate opened once everyone attempted to lift it at once. It was the same premise as the treasure chest - everyone needed to make a donation for the shield to dissipate.

I didn't realize that. Guess your right.

I still wondering what happened to her shield/necklace. In one scene she had it in another she didn't.

Quinn Mallory
March 7th, 2007, 10:10 AM
I still wondering what happened to her shield/necklace. In one scene she had it in another she didn't.

Ba'al must know about Adria's personal shield and took that away. I guess Ba'al didn't have time to put that back on after the merge with the symbiot.

Quinn Mallory
March 7th, 2007, 10:11 AM
I got to wonder whether the original plan was to have Adria/Ba'al as the main villain in season 11. That would have had quite some potential.

chemicalNova
March 7th, 2007, 10:13 AM
I'm completely stumped as to how some of you comprehend anything to do with Stargate when you cannot string together a simple, AND grammatically correct sentence.

Nice episode. I will buy thousands of copies of the DVDs just so it means ongoing SG-1 :)

chem

Jelmer
March 7th, 2007, 10:31 AM
So, that's it: The last hour of normal SG-1 television :( as the next one will be a fanpleaser and probably won't continue the greater story (which kinda sounds like I think that's a bad thing, but I really don't!). Only 1 hour of SG-1 television to go and even though it'll continue through the DVD movies it is the end of an era.

I liked how they sort of created some closure but left many things open, with the Ori likely dead, Adria sort-of-dead, Ba'al possibly dead but at the very least there's loads fewer clones of him. And at the same time the very real possibility of Ba'al returning, Adria returning (hopefully in the stunning form of Morena Baccarin who also did an incredible acting job!) and a very real thread in the form of a huge Ori army of foot-soldiers. It felt a bit rushed but as I've come to realize over the years, the reality of a television series is that they don't have the money to make things as huge as we'd all like them to be - I can only hope the movies will have an appropriate amount of money to create a believable army, and bigger space battles then we've seen before. Let's face it, in Camelot for example: only 6 Ori ships??? only a handfull of Ha'taks, 2 earth vessels and 1 Asgard ship? That's all way to little of everything, but the reality of television is that that's what their money can pay for. But they've also shown us how well they can write in making those things way bigger in our heads then they have to show and that's what makes it easy to forgive what's too small.

I'm very much looking forward to the last episode next week, even though it'll be the end - but after 10 years can one really complain? Especially when it's far from over as far as the studio is concerned?

sgeureka
March 7th, 2007, 10:42 AM
I'm not so sure. She didn't reach this state by natural evolution - she was specificaly born that way so that the Orii could cheat. Furthermore, she's actually an Orii. Yes, the Ancients would watch everything she does, but will it be enough? They've thrown thesmevles into a corner witht he Orii in the first place, granted. But it'd only make sense ot make sure the situation doesn't repeat itself...I don't really get your point.

For example, I could illegally immigrate into the US, or I could do all the pesky paperwork and immigrate there legally. Or I could go there on a vacation visit. But if I killed a man in broad daylight in front of an American police station (i.e. all eyes on my actions), it wouldn't matter how I entered the US. I'd be held accountable and kicked out of the US (or kicked into prison; anyway out of everyday life).

Same for Adria. She better not do anything bad while she's in the MW as an Ascended being. Or she risks having her mind erased, or other nice things. So it's good for us humans in the meantime. :D

FaithStars
March 7th, 2007, 10:57 AM
I really enjoyed this episode. I liked that everyone(right down to Baal) had a job to do and they did it. I thought it was smart, humerous in parts and very endearing. :)

I liked that it showed sg1 a little uneasy at having to kill Vala's child(although they would do it in a heartbeat). I loved the range of emotion we recieved from Vala(her quiet pain) and from Adria(her own pain at having a mother that didn't choose her).:(

I adored the shippy inflections of the Daniel and Vala scene. Those two show time and time again how much chemistry they have and what a lovely pairing they would make.(yes, I ship Dala!)

I gave this episode a 9/10(I would have loved to have seen a bit more interaction between Sam/teal'c/Daniel...

Happy Posting
Faithstars:cool:

mizzoueng
March 7th, 2007, 11:08 AM
Very good episode.

Not too concerned about how Baal found the team on that planet. We've seen leaks from the SGC to the trust, etc. in the past. Not that mind blowing.

The thing that still gets me is the Celestis shield that Adria had. They were able to remove it. I was under the assumption that if anyone tried to touch her with the intention of harming her the shield protected her. Or perhaps it was just powered by the Ori who are no longer.

Did anyone else notice the new guns SG-1 was toting? Looks like the abandoned P90's for hostile combat.

As for Adrias ascending. Vala, a MW resident brought her (albeit against her will) to the MW from Ori-land. It was our free will that opened the Ori's eyes to MW. The fact that a human-Ori hybrid was here and learned to ascend, most likely from DJ, is further free will on OUR part. Those instances combined created a loop hole in the Ancient law saying no Ori in MW. This is why she could ascend. Now that she has ascended, she has the option to either stay in MW or where-ever and follow Ancient/Other law or go back to Ori-land and amass power.

The Ancient/Other council cannot interfere with which galaxy she chooses to reside in. As long as she is not interfering with the lower plains while ascended in oue neck of the woods she can do whatever.

I forsee this just as a way out of dieing. Much like what Daniel did to escape the Replicator ship fate he had. Ascend to avoid death then descend to fight another day. But if she goes to Ori-land and descends, she can do it with all the knowledge of the Ancients/Others AND Ori. Not to mention that it would be a specticle of "biblical" proportions in Ori-land.

If she did this, I forsee a new class of Ori crusier in the movie. A one-off Adria class that carries her around the Galaxies (I meant to put plural). It would be a ship larger than current cruiser class that would require intergalactic HDs. This one instance could fuel SG-1 for YEARS to come.

lunarleviathan
March 7th, 2007, 11:11 AM
I found this episode to be a little weak. There was potential for a great episode, but it didn't hit the mark, in my opinion. It seemed a little cobbled together, which is understandable given the way they had to rush towards some kind of conclusion for the show. Could have been a tighter package.

crompton20
March 7th, 2007, 11:20 AM
heres skys write up for what happens next week and don't worry theres no spoilers

New. Unending: SG-1's battle with the Ori comes to a stunning conclusion in the world premiere of the final episode of this popular show. Who will be victorious? Press red for multi-start.

if only that was going to happen :( instead i think its gonna be a fan/character episode, was it to much to ask for them to close off the series, they could still add to it if they wanted to. I think whats more annoying is its possible we won't see anything ori related next week as the series is really as closed off as it can be at the mo ( in terms of the ori)

As for celestis i doubt thats destroyed i assume that will occur in the movie, i predict mitchell standing there setting off a weopen just before adria or the ori kills him, there will be lots and lots and lots of light and the city will start crumbling down piece by piece while sg1 escape

g.o.d
March 7th, 2007, 11:24 AM
heres skys write up for what happens next week and don't worry theres no spoilers

New. Unending: SG-1's battle with the Ori comes to a stunning conclusion in the world premiere of the final episode of this popular show. Who will be victorious? Press red for multi-start.

if only that was going to happen :( instead i think its gonna be a fan/character episode, was it to much to ask for them to close off the series, they could still add to it if they wanted to. I think whats more annoying is its possible we won't see anything ori related next week as the series is really as closed off as it can be at the mo ( in terms of the ori)



you're probably right.The battle will take only a few minutes and rest will be boring:(

crompton20
March 7th, 2007, 11:30 AM
doubt there will even be a battle i get the horrible feeling that as far as the writers are concerned the ori are done for this series, i'm sure in the last ep sg1 will be traveling to celestis but they won't get there

racer24t
March 7th, 2007, 11:50 AM
I concur that was a screen shot from season 2 i was like WTF to bad it was not daniel there instead of sam that would have been crazy.

Pitry
March 7th, 2007, 12:21 PM
I don't really get your point.

For example, I could illegally immigrate into the US, or I could do all the pesky paperwork and immigrate there legally. Or I could go there on a vacation visit. But when I killed a man in broad daylight in front of an American police station (i.e. all eyes on my actions), it won't matter how I entered the US. I'd be held accountable and kicked out of the US (or kicked into prison; anyway out of everyday life).

Same for Adria. She better not do anything bad while she's in the MW as an Ascended being. Or she risks having her mind erased, or other nice things. So it's good for us humans in the meantime. :D

Okay, loet's have it a different way, sorry, without the complicated allegories.
The Orii weren't a problem because they stepped out of line, nor because they were ascended. It's the amount of power that posed the threat, the power they got from having followers. Nop, the Ancients refused to take action about that - but they didn't like the situation. We don't nkow the exact timeline, bu there's quite the liklihood the Orii ascended befoer the Ancients did, causing the situation to be a given one rather than avoidable.
If the Orii are dead, Adria's gonna get all the power from their followers. That's a damn load of power. Yes, I know the Ancients are arrogant, but enough of them should udnerstand it gives them quite the problem -and prolly do, as is evident by their lack of interference while SG1 were cosntructing the weapon, as opposed to their interference when Merlin was cobnstructing it - they will bend their rules, as that experiecne showed, if they feel the line has been pushed too much.
IMO, Adria ascending is pushing the line too much, canon-wise. Had I felt that they let Adria ascend because of some inner-logic. I\'d have let that one through. Had I felt they're doing it in order to achieve something (and by them I mean TPTB, not the Ancients :)), I wouldn't've had the problem. But this feels way too much like a stupid plot point in roder to achieve a cool ending that will never be reasionably resolved (no, I doubt that in two hours of movie with so much ground to cover they can resolve it reasonably), and is dnoe not to achieve any sort of substential means, because the show is over in one episode, they don't need another super badguy. So my feelings this conflicts with canon and ignores the Ancients refuses to go away :)

SoulReaver
March 7th, 2007, 12:35 PM
well we still don't know for sure if the ori are dead or not (and for the storyline's sake I hope not)
a pity we couldn't see adria ascend. oh well, sfx budgets issues I suppose
I'm glad we'll be seeing more of baal later on though, and the appearance of the tokra although too succint (plot-wise) was also welcome

btw how did the terran ships get a transporter rings set - did they "transplant" it from a goauld ship or did the tokra build & install it for them :tealcanime49:


2- I don't buy Ba'al being able to take over Adria, that was to easy she should have been able to fight him off. my thoughts too

Hypochondriac
March 7th, 2007, 12:46 PM
btw how did the terran ships get a transporter rings set - did they "transplant" it from a goauld ship or did the tokra build & install it for them :tealcanime49:

my thoughts too

It's a ring platform, you can install the platform anywhere you want. I doubt it was built, they probably just transferred it from a cargo ship.

jenks
March 7th, 2007, 01:19 PM
1. About the cloak on the Odyssey, there is no reason and proof to believe Sam managed suddenly to do it. She could not have done this even with data gathered from Atlantis. I ask you, what data? I mean Rodney is to busy with lemons than actually interfacing a puddle jumper cloak with Daedalus or Apollo. There is no cloak of this magnitude in either shows .

Daniel made it with Merlins knowledge.



2. Let's turn now to the ORI Armada. What happened to it? Plenty of ships came to the MW and plenty remained.

They're out converting planets?


3. That random device used to replace Vala's memories. When did they get it? Not even the Goa'uld had something so advanced.

Watch 'Collateral Damage' from season 9.

jenks
March 7th, 2007, 01:22 PM
doubt there will even be a battle i get the horrible feeling that as far as the writers are concerned the ori are done for this series, i'm sure in the last ep sg1 will be traveling to celestis but they won't get there

The Ori won't be completely defeated until the movie.

rnwhocares
March 7th, 2007, 01:46 PM
you're probably right.The battle will take only a few minutes and rest will be boring:(
I don't think it will be boring at all. I want all the ship I can get!!
Just saw Dominion-thought it was GREAT Loved the Daniel/ Vala moments, and the tenderness when Vala moved Adria's hair. What I don't get is--I know Baal will be in one of the Movies. But if his symbiote is dead and all the clones are dead, how is this going to happen? Also, when he cloned himself did he just clone the body part or the symbiote too?

Integrabyte
March 7th, 2007, 01:48 PM
Daniel made it with Merlins knowledge.

Didn't he say he does not know? And if you are right, are we told in this episode? As a fellow member says, a simple phrase from Sam like, "look lads, I found out how to interface the ZMP with a couple thingie ma jiggies and I can cloak the ship". But no, everything is smacked and the viewer because they wanted to cramp as much as they could in 41 minutes. Let's get real. If you don't do a thing properly, why do it?

The Great Lord Baal
March 7th, 2007, 01:49 PM
^^ well on the Baal thing mitchell said he saw a second clone on the hatak plus Im sure he has a sarcophicus on the ship

jenks
March 7th, 2007, 02:05 PM
Didn't he say he does not know? And if you are right, are we told in this episode? As a fellow member says, a simple phrase from Sam like, "look lads, I found out how to interface the ZMP with a couple thingie ma jiggies and I can cloak the ship". But no, everything is smacked and the viewer because they wanted to cramp as much as they could in 41 minutes. Let's get real. If you don't do a thing properly, why do it?

Sorry, I should of said that Merlin did it, his conciousness was in Daniels mind. Daniel told Jack that he had got the cloak working though, he said something like 'Yeah, having a ZPM really helps'. I assume that when Merlin left him, the knowledge of how cloak worked left him too.

jenks
March 7th, 2007, 02:07 PM
I don't think it will be boring at all. I want all the ship I can get!!
Just saw Dominion-thought it was GREAT Loved the Daniel/ Vala moments, and the tenderness when Vala moved Adria's hair. What I don't get is--I know Baal will be in one of the Movies. But if his symbiote is dead and all the clones are dead, how is this going to happen? Also, when he cloned himself did he just clone the body part or the symbiote too?

Both the symbiote and host are clones.

jenks
March 7th, 2007, 02:08 PM
I didn't realize that. Guess your right.

I still wondering what happened to her shield/necklace. In one scene she had it in another she didn't.

Maybe when Daniel attacked her at the end of 'The Shroud' he destroyed/broke it.

rnwhocares
March 7th, 2007, 02:15 PM
The scene where Sam and Daniel were telling Vala that it was a plan, Vala says"you allowed me to be exposed to radiation so you can carry out your plan" When did this happen or not happen?
Also, i just want to say ANY episode with Reynolds is a GREAT episode-I love that guy. SOOOOO glad they never killed him off!!:)

Integrabyte
March 7th, 2007, 02:16 PM
Sorry, I should of said that Merlin did it, his conciousness was in Daniels mind. Daniel told Jack that he had got the cloak working though, he said something like 'Yeah, having a ZPM really helps'. I assume that when Merlin left him, the knowledge of how cloak worked left him too.

I agree, but the ship did not remain cloaked in the episodes between the merlin episode and dominion.....


How come SAM suddenly cloaked it? First time in SG1 when a major "tech" advanced is thrown without any explanation.....

sgeureka
March 7th, 2007, 02:39 PM
If the Orii are dead, Adria's gonna get all the power from their followers. That's a damn load of power.Aaaaah, I see where you're coming from now. But do we know this for a fact? I thought that the Ori followers would now pray to *nothing*, like a dead end where everything gets wasted, and Adria would still get her old share of Ori believer power.

Or maybe she was at the top of the believer power pyramid scheme who got her powers by the normal Ori below her. But since those are believed to be extinct now, she gets no more power passed on and is living on standby/reserves.

In both cases, the MW Ancients as a group are way more powerful than Adria.

Or you're right with your speculation. Then we'd be screwed.

I don't even know if that will get addressed in the movies. :o Has anyone heard/read for sure if Adria will be in the first movie at all? Not me.

jebus
March 7th, 2007, 02:44 PM
The scene where Sam and Daniel were telling Vala that it was a plan, Vala says"you allowed me to be exposed to radiation so you can carry out your plan" When did this happen or not happen?


The Sodan cloak that she didnt actuall use emits Dangerous radiotion as mentioned in Uninvited

JanusAncient
March 7th, 2007, 02:56 PM
Shouldn't Adria have already overcome the effects of the anti-Prior device the first time they used it on her?

jenks
March 7th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Aaaaah, I see where you're coming from now. But do we know this for a fact? I thought that the Ori followers would now pray to *nothing*, like a dead end where everything gets wasted, and Adria would still get her old share of Ori believer power.

Or maybe she was at the top of the believer power pyramid scheme who got her powers by the normal Ori below her. But since those are believed to be extinct now, she gets no more power passed on and is living on standby/reserves.

In both cases, the MW Ancients as a group are way more powerful than Adria.

Or you're right with your speculation. Then we'd be screwed.

I don't even know if that will get addressed in the movies. :o Has anyone heard/read for sure if Adria will be in the first movie at all? Not me.

As of now, Adria is the Ori. All the extra power the Ori were sapping from followers will now be hers alone.

rnwhocares
March 7th, 2007, 03:11 PM
The Sodan cloak that she didnt actuall use emits Dangerous radiotion as mentioned in Uninvited
OOOOH I did not know that. Thanks

immhotep
March 7th, 2007, 03:18 PM
Well worth the wait!
Baal, Adria as a baal! the tokra! she ascended! the ori are dead! the oddeseu has a cloak! God this episode was pretty amazing, very happy, shame i had to wait an extra day but i dont care, 9/10!

jenks
March 7th, 2007, 03:30 PM
I thought it was strange that Ba'al seemed to speak in Anubis' voice at one point, also, why didn't they just beam the symbiote out of Adria like they did with Caldwell?

Solanalos
March 7th, 2007, 04:06 PM
Was anyone else hoping that Baal was going to transfer a symbiote to Adria, "Selmak-Jacob-style"? :baal: :D

HyperCaz
March 7th, 2007, 04:12 PM
I thought it was strange that Ba'al seemed to speak in Anubis' voice at one point, also, why didn't they just beam the symbiote out of Adria like they did with Caldwell?

I was wondering that. Unless Ba'al was being particularly vicious in wrapping around her spinal column or something, but I still don't buy it. Or maybe the Daedalus is the only one with such precise beaming teachnology, in which case blows.

jenks
March 7th, 2007, 04:13 PM
I was wondering that. Unless Ba'al was being particularly vicious in wrapping around her spinal column or something, but I still don't buy it. Or maybe the Daedalus is the only one with such precise beaming teachnology, in which case blows.

I was thinking it might of had something to do with Hermiods expertise...

mrtvr4
March 7th, 2007, 04:23 PM
I thought it was strange that Ba'al seemed to speak in Anubis' voice at one point, also, why didn't they just beam the symbiote out of Adria like they did with Caldwell?

The Asgard were required to make the calculations for that beaming.

HyperCaz
March 7th, 2007, 04:32 PM
I was thinking it might of had something to do with Hermiods expertise...

or Rodney... :D

Mitchell82
March 7th, 2007, 04:56 PM
Let me say again for the record this is why I love SG-1. They never cease to amaze me. I just started rewatching SG-1 and I'm on Broca Divide. I just recieved SGA season 2 but I have to watch it in order!:D Abyway back on topic let me adress some of the issues people have.
1. Lack of action
What? IMO there was plenty of it. We don't need a huge battle yet leave that for the movie. Adria kicks some ass in this and so do we.
2. Baal Taking over Adria
It's not inconcievable as Ba'al's em tech seemed more advanced than our's and without her necklace she has no defense.
3. Adria ascending
The ancients would not interefere b/c though she basically was a human Ori she reached it on her own unless the Ori arent dead and they figured they needed her in which case the ancients are dead. If the latter is not the case the simple fact that she did it on her own prevents them from stopping her in either case we're fracked.
4. The fact that the Ori arent in Unending
This ep answerd alot of questions and shows us just how screwed we are. IMO I'd rather have the series finale end on a high note and give us hope for the future and likely make us all run out of kleenex.:D I for one will likely cry in my beer or other choice beverage just not infront of my freinds in the Officers barracks!

Hypochondriac
March 7th, 2007, 05:37 PM
Possible Plot Hole

One of the memories they gave Vala involved an SG team getting ambushed by the Ori army. Since that really didn't happen shouldn't Adria have know something was up? Since she was looking for Vala wouldn't she have gotten a report about contact with any SG teams?

Mitchell82
March 7th, 2007, 05:40 PM
Possible Plot Hole

One of the memories they gave Vala involved an SG team getting ambushed by the Ori army. Since that really didn't happen shouldn't Adria have know something was up? Since she was looking for Vala wouldn't she have gotten a report about contact with any SG teams?

Not necisairly. They wouldnt report it if they got away. Adria would likely punish them.

Hypochondriac
March 7th, 2007, 05:55 PM
Not necisairly. They eouldnt report it if they got away. Adria would likely punish them.

Don't think the Book of Origin is that big on lying

Mitchell82
March 7th, 2007, 05:57 PM
Don't think the Book of Origin is that big on lying

Really? The Priors fabricate the book itself. They take what they want from a book very similar to the bible and pervert it so they can justify mass murder.

poundpuppy29
March 7th, 2007, 06:01 PM
I loved this ep I got my ship and I got good SL. Thank you Kazan for all screen caps and summary. I watched it a few times and I think it is one of the best of the season IMHO 10/10. I do think we will see Adria in the first movie. CS didn't tell the whole truth about his character's demise did he? Hehehe. We have no idea how many Baals there is do we remember in season 9 they found a lab and destroyed it but he probably just made another one so there are more I am sure. CB was awesome. I only just discovered her. (I am just watching Farscape now)

Hypochondriac
March 7th, 2007, 06:02 PM
Really? The Priors fabricate the book itself. They take what they want from a book very similar to the bible and pervert it so they can justify mass murder.

I'll rephrase. Don't think the Book of Origin is that big on lying, especially when it's a foot solider lying to the Orici

Mitchell82
March 7th, 2007, 06:11 PM
I'll rephrase. Don't think the Book of Origin is that big on lying, especially when it's a foot solider lying to the Orici

Ok good point but that doesnt mean that they wouldnt be affraid of her.

nub
March 7th, 2007, 06:15 PM
It was an excellent episode in itself but being the second to last one ever, I expected a little more. I think i'm just worried about how they are going to end 10 years of SG-1 in one 40 minute finale.
The whole plot to trick and kidnap adria seemed a little farfetched in my opinion. They should have just done this in the previous episode but instead she was sent through the supergate with Merlins weapon.
Was it supposed to be a tense moment when they were giving Adria the lethal injection thing? or am I the only one who was hoping she did not die...
She is a great character and far too sexy to die :P Besides, I was hoping the conclusion of her story would be for her to finally see sense and regret all the things she has done... then maybe get killed off in some honourable way trying to help SG-1. She seems like a good person inside, she is just misguided by her religion, very much like Teal'c and the other jaffa did bad things and killed in the name of their God.
If the writers intended to portray Adria as a truly evil character like anubis then they have not succeeded. Although I suspect they deliberately made the character like that, and nearly killing her was supposed to make us think about the morality of it all and make us feel sympathetic towards her.
Baal also is a great character and I think we'd all rather see him become a good (ish) guy..

The last half of this season has seemed very rushed to me (might be because it's getting closer to the end) and I just hope that they can somehow give us some spectacular finale to finish off everything and leave us not feeling too depressed (NO MORE SG-1 *cry*).
I dont know much about the last episode, i read something about a time dialation thing where they live out the rest of their lives together? Sounds very worrying.
In my opinion, almost from the start SG-1 has always been about the ancients, and then the ascended ancients. They have always been shown as the ultimate race and set an example to Earth on how to live, morally, spiritually etc on the path to enlightenment, ascension or whatever you want to call it. So it should have something to do with this.
The ori are the most powerful enemies ever and the only ones that rival the ancients so it would make sense to have them confront eachother for a final battle to end the series.

Gate Master
March 7th, 2007, 07:20 PM
also, why didn't they just beam the symbiote out of Adria like they did with Caldwell?
Very good point and the responses I have read to this qu are plausable.
2 things I dont understand is why in the first place the asgard needed to beam out a symbiote when they have better de-goaulding tech such as thors hammer which by their standards is thousand year old tech. Second rather than always trying to conduct difficult surgeries to remove a goauld why not take the subject to the planet with the hammer and do it the easy way, especially in this instance when adria was more valuable alive under the control of a tokra, given the risks involed with the surgery.

Callista
March 7th, 2007, 07:23 PM
I liked the episode, but I think whoever is in charge of continuity must have left early. Did anyone else notice that when Adria was in the infirmary, her wires kept disappearing and reappearing? Kind of reminded me of Daniel's oxygen mask in "Holiday".

Kanten
March 7th, 2007, 07:24 PM
also, why didn't they just beam the symbiote out of Adria like they did with Caldwell?

The SGC hasn't really had the best of luck contacting the Asgard at the drop of hat in recent years.



Second rather than always trying to conduct difficult surgeries to remove a goauld why not take the subject to the planet with the hammer and do it the easy way, especially in this instance when adria was more valuable alive under the control of a tokra, given the risks involed with the surgery.

Because.....the hammer was destroyed?

1138
March 7th, 2007, 07:24 PM
Did anyone notice that the operation to remove Ba'al from Adria echoes the operation on Kawalski way back in "The Enemy Within"? Neat little tie-in.

Although the Tok'ra never mentioned anything about the extraction process being dangerous to the host. Skaara, Sarah and Vala all had symbiotes removed by the Tok'ra without any problems.

Gate Master
March 7th, 2007, 07:27 PM
Because.....the hammer was destroyed?
It was but if you remember it was said in the later ep after the goauld invaded that the asgard would leave a teacher behind to rebuild it and that the new hammer would even make an exception for teal'c

Mitchell82
March 7th, 2007, 07:29 PM
Did anyone notice that the operation to remove Ba'al from Adria echoes the operation on Kawalski way back in "The Enemy Within"? Neat little tie-in.

Although the Tok'ra never mentioned anything about the extraction process being dangerous to the host. Skaara, Sarah and Vala all had symbiotes removed by the Tok'ra without any problems.

It was different here. Adria is not the same as anyother host also it's always been stated it's a dangerous proccess. From Tok'ra part 2
" Attempt to remove Cordesh from the host without harming her"

Kanten
March 7th, 2007, 07:34 PM
It was but if you remember it was said in the later ep after the goauld invaded that the asgard would leave a teacher behind to rebuild it and that the new hammer would even make an exception for teal'c

Ah, memory slip there. Who knows, Cimmeria could be an Ori planet now.

Gate Master
March 7th, 2007, 07:46 PM
Ah, memory slip there. Who knows, Cimmeria could be an Ori planet now.
Certainly a possibility, its not like the hammer would stop the ori any way given that it specifically targets goauld.

Gate Master
March 7th, 2007, 07:53 PM
Maybe when Daniel attacked her at the end of 'The Shroud' he destroyed/broke it.
Thats quite likely but it doesn't explain when she was building her new ships why she didn't build herself a new personnal shield or repair the one she had. Given the extent of her knowledge and the fact that regular ancients could build them she should have been able to construct another. Regardless I think the writers should have given some explanation about it rather than just ignore it completely. As for SG1's plan to deal with it I assumed they were intially going to take a page from the geni with improvements and gas her or something since she still needs to breath

Mitchell82
March 7th, 2007, 08:36 PM
Thats quite likely but it doesn't explain when she was building her new ships why she didn't build herself a new personnal shield or repair the one she had. Given the extent of her knowledge and the fact that regular ancients could build them she should have been able to construct another. Regardless I think the writers should have given some explanation about it rather than just ignore it completely. As for SG1's plan to deal with it I assumed they were intially going to take a page from the geni with improvements and gas her or something since she still needs to breath Well from these pics I uploaded she has it on when ba'al captures her then in the next scene her coat and pendant are gone so he took it off. The building of ships is her way of exacting revenge for destroying the ORI.

Gate Master
March 7th, 2007, 09:08 PM
Well from these pics I uploaded she has it on when ba'al captures her then in the next scene her coat and pendant are gone so he took it off. The building of ships is her way of exacting revenge for destroying the ORI.
I dont understand tho how he was able to take it off or even tag her unless it worked more like goauld personal shields rather than ancients.
On the revenge note it struck me that she didn't seem all that upset about the ori if they are dead or even angry at the attempt upon them. But she was trying hard to convince everyone that they are alive and kicking so who knows.

Mitchell82
March 7th, 2007, 09:14 PM
I dont understand tho how he was able to take it off or even tag her unless it worked more like goauld personal shields rather than ancients.
On the revenge note it struck me that she didn't seem all that upset about the ori if they are dead or even angry at the attempt upon them. But she was trying hard to convince everyone that they are alive and kicking so who knows.

Exactly thats the point. As to the shield it reacts with her mental abilities so with those gone she was completly vulnerable.

the fifth man
March 7th, 2007, 09:19 PM
I have to say, so far I'm loving this episode. Ba'al taking Adria over was a brilliant idea on his part.

Gate Master
March 7th, 2007, 09:24 PM
Exactly thats the point. As to the shield it reacts with her mental abilities so with those gone she was completly vulnerable.
I dont think the neurel interface of the shield requires her to have her advanced mental abilities since the shield worked fine in the quest and ancient shields dont require advanced mental powers to operate them.

Mitchell82
March 7th, 2007, 09:35 PM
I dont think the neurel interface of the shield requires her to have her advanced mental abilities since the shield worked fine in the quest and ancient shields dont require advanced mental powers to operate them.

Not a normal ancient shield though as that necklace alsoturned Danny boy into a Prior

Gate Master
March 7th, 2007, 09:41 PM
Not a normal ancient shield though as that necklace alsoturned Danny boy into a Prior

Absolutely and I assume it was the same neckless that gave adria her disguise in the quest. She was able to use it tho even with a more advanced jaming device blocking her mental abilities. Chances are she wouldn't beable to do nething ori like with out her powers such as making priors but using neually activated tech seemed to be fine.

teal'c2006
March 7th, 2007, 10:15 PM
This episode was great i'd say a perfect 10 out of 10.I loved the episode it was very well written...But was shocked to hear that Adria wanted to go and ascend..... which she did.........

the fifth man
March 7th, 2007, 10:29 PM
Yet again, TPTB didn't let me down with this episode. All around, it was a great one. I'd definitely give it a 9/10. Great way to leave the Ori storyline, until The Ark of Truth, that is.

An ascended Adria is going to be a big problem. Especially if she alone inherits all the power gathered from the Ori worshipers.

Mitchell82
March 7th, 2007, 10:31 PM
Yet again, TPTB didn't let me down with this episode. All around, it was a great one. I'd definitely give it a 9/10. Great way to leave the Ori storyline, until The Ark of Truth, that is.

Yeah and is it childish of me to want it now!

the fifth man
March 7th, 2007, 10:32 PM
Yeah and is it childish of me to want it now!

Not at all. I do too!:D

haomaru5
March 8th, 2007, 02:27 AM
This is in regards to the whole Adria's shield issue as there seems to be some debate on it. Not saying there's any proof of this, but as to how they got it off, couldn't they just have walked up to her and removed it? I remember way back when in some episode where SG-1 was engaged in a forest with Apophis, they discovered that his shield reacted proportionately to the speed of the object approaching it. So that, while a bullet couldn't pierce it, something moving much slower could. And with her "funky mind powers" disabled, she wouldn't have been able to stop anyone from taking it.

Platschu
March 8th, 2007, 03:01 AM
I was thinking aobut Adria's necklace. Merlin depleted it at the end in 10x14 The Shroud, because the personal shield lost strength in Counterstrike, Quest I and Quest II too. The Jaffa could grab easily her to beam up, so I think that the necklace didn't work here at all and there is no plot hole. :D

Integrabyte
March 8th, 2007, 04:27 AM
I was thinking aobut Adria's necklace. Merlin depleted it at the end in 10x14 The Shroud, because the personal shield lost strength in Counterstrike, Quest I and Quest II too. The Jaffa could grab easily her to beam up, so I think that the necklace didn't work here at all and there is no plot hole. :D


Where do we find out that her personal shield lost strength? When it comes to the Merlin episode....Daniel says..."I had to get passed her shield and not I had to deplete her shield...."

O'Neill4prez
March 8th, 2007, 04:41 AM
I thought this episode was excellent 10/10, i was surprised they killed the Ba'al in Adria, i thought it was appropriate that since SG-1 started with the Goa'uld it should end with them.i can't wait to see the final episode and the movies, i hope i can avoid the sky one spoilers

adria is as powerful as all the ori combined because all the Ori's power that they got from their followers will now go to her which is probably why the Ancients didn't stop her:daniel:

O'Neill4prez
March 8th, 2007, 04:49 AM
Where do we find out that her personal shield lost strength? When it comes to the Merlin episode....Daniel says..."I had to get passed her shield and not I had to deplete her shield...."

The personal shield was probably meant to protect her from attacks not from someone grabbing her, it was probably a last defence, they probably think she would be caught off guard like that with an AOD(anti-ori device):vala:

Mitchell82
March 8th, 2007, 05:31 AM
I thought this episode was excellent 10/10, i was surprised they killed the Ba'al in Adria, i thought it was appropriate that since SG-1 started with the Goa'uld it should end with them.i can't wait to see the final episode and the movies, i hope i can avoid the sky one spoilers

adria is as powerful as all the ori combined because all the Ori's power that they got from their followers will now go to her which is probably why the Ancients didn't stop her:daniel:

Yeah and what a scary thought.

Mitchell82
March 8th, 2007, 05:31 AM
The personal shield was probably meant to protect her from attacks not from someone grabbing her, it was probably a last defence, they probably think she would be caught off guard like that with an AOD(anti-ori device):vala:

Agreed.

Atlantean Engineer
March 8th, 2007, 08:46 AM
This is in regards to the whole Adria's shield issue as there seems to be some debate on it. Not saying there's any proof of this, but as to how they got it off, couldn't they just have walked up to her and removed it? I remember way back when in some episode where SG-1 was engaged in a forest with Apophis, they discovered that his shield reacted proportionately to the speed of the object approaching it. So that, while a bullet couldn't pierce it, something moving much slower could. And with her "funky mind powers" disabled, she wouldn't have been able to stop anyone from taking it.

Wasn't the personal shield supposed to be a fragment of Celestis (sp?) so that the Ori can channel their power through it and protect her? With the Ori dead, the necklace might not work.

I think the necklace's power has always been somewhat questionable. I mean, she got zatted and almost kidnapped by Daniel even when the Ori were around, so maybe it does require her mental control.

I highly doubt that the Ori personal shield that Adria had suffers from the same weakness as the Goa'uld ones. The Ancient one found on Atlantis didn't have such a weakness so I doubt the Ori ones would have that weakness.

timmciglobal
March 8th, 2007, 09:39 AM
It could have some sort of link power transfer from celestus (Since no one really knows if celestus was a "real" city or a plane of existence or exactly what it was) and when it was destroyed the link was severed making the necklace powerless.

Or daniel could of merely disabled or depleted it's power source somehow.

Tim

JanusAncient
March 8th, 2007, 10:33 AM
I doubt that anyone but her would be able to use it. A person needed the Ancient gene to operate the one in Atlantis, and the Ori use brain physiology for their technology, which is far more complicated.

starmage
March 8th, 2007, 10:50 AM
I like the episode, but I found a couple things frustrating. I wanted to see how an Ori ascending looked like. Also the removel of Ba'al had me wondering why they didn't beam the symbiote out of her. Other than that I thought it was a good episode.

PG15
March 8th, 2007, 11:37 AM
^It's not that simple; even Hermiod had to do some very precise calculations to do it himself.


Where do we find out that her personal shield lost strength? When it comes to the Merlin episode....Daniel says..."I had to get passed her shield and not I had to deplete her shield...."

What's the difference?

bcfc
March 8th, 2007, 12:05 PM
Good one, better than the last couple of weeks though not great. Wished there had been more action and more Ori Ships but it was enjoyable.


No, No, its the last one.

:( :( :( :(

You know if its a sad ending there will be alot of people crying.

Mitchell82
March 8th, 2007, 12:31 PM
I doubt that anyone but her would be able to use it. A person needed the Ancient gene to operate the one in Atlantis, and the Ori use brain physiology for their technology, which is far more complicated.

Agreed. it was likely enginered so only she can. use it

racer24t
March 8th, 2007, 12:36 PM
Was it just me or did Dominion did not have that final ep feeling like threads did in season 8? All Dominion did was open more questions instead of end some now it is gonna be hard to tie up loose ends in the ark of truth. Let me explain:

How did they cloke the ship carter could not figure it out.

A goul'd taking over adria she was way more evovled.

Ori dead or not and ba'al died or not.

now who is gonna lead the ori soliders and what become of adria can't she interfer like anbus or play by the rules.

Ihope unending ties up some loose ends

Supergateship1
March 8th, 2007, 12:56 PM
maybe they are able to cloke the ship due to the ZPM and an adapted cargo ship cloke that they put fitted after the shroud.

We know the gould num their hosts when they get inside, since adria was knocked out with a zat and she didnt have her shield or mind control ability, it would have been easy for a gould symbiote to keep her that way for a time.

The Ori are dead, merlin device worked and killed the ori out right, now the only part of ori that still exsists are the priors and the soliders and the ships, since adria ascended in our galaxy and not the ori, i would imagine the accients would be able to send her back to the level in between plains (ala annubis), if not she wouldnt be any more powerfull than an accient, and she wouldnt be allowed to meddle at this level, i dont think she would be allowed to go back to the ori galaxy.

Baal isnt dead though, he still has one clone left out there, adria might reappear though in the movie but not as an follower of origin anymore.

Remember the plot for the movie ties up the lose end of the ori story and introduces a new powerfull enemy in the ori galaxy, if it aint the ori, the ori army, the priors or adria, then who?

Unending wont tie up anything, thats what the movies are for to tie up some lose ends why creating new ones, so the adventures of sg-1 can continuing.

Thats my penny worths for the debate

meredithchandler73
March 8th, 2007, 01:52 PM
I *loved* this episode. I heart Claudia Black. At the start of the episode, Vala is a bit tipsy. That's something we haven't seen before. She mentions in Bounty that alcohol has hardly any effect on her, so either she's pretending or she has had a LOT to drink. It doesn't seem like she's pretending since she would probably have given up the act when they found out she was cheating. Adria finds her and we discover why she isn't at the SGC. Wow. We get back to FunVala as she explains her dream. Then DevastatedVala as she learns that the SGC doesn't trust her anymore and wants to lock her up. Vala is on her own again, feeling betrayed by her only friends...no wonder she's getting drunk. I was thinking, "this has to be some sort of ruse to trick Adria" but then Adria confirms it's what she saw in her mind. OMG! Great use of the Galaran memory implanting device (referenced in Collatoral Damage and Stronghold). I loved how Vala is so angry with everyone before they explain it wasn't real. And then that great video explaining about the false memory implant and how it was her idea to begin with! "Hello, gorgeous!" (waves)

Totally wasn't expecting Adria being taken over by Baal or Adria's ascension. Woohoo for being able to stay unspoiled! (I almost didn't want to read this thread as I figured people would be mentioning Unending and the movies. I don't wanna know anything!!!)

Only thing that annoyed me was the non-explanation about how they got the cloak working on the Odyssey. And that was only a minor nitpick for me.

Great episode. Can't believe there's only one episode left. I'm sorry that we never got a buddy adventure for Sam and Vala. No, I don't think their shopping spree from Family Ties counts. (See my sig? Love them both so much.)

Mitchell82
March 8th, 2007, 01:56 PM
maybe they are able to cloke the ship due to the ZPM and an adapted cargo ship cloke that they put fitted after the shroud.

We know the gould num their hosts when they get inside, since adria was knocked out with a zat and she didnt have her shield or mind control ability, it would have been easy for a gould symbiote to keep her that way for a time.

The Ori are dead, merlin device worked and killed the ori out right, now the only part of ori that still exsists are the priors and the soliders and the ships, since adria ascended in our galaxy and not the ori, i would imagine the accients would be able to send her back to the level in between plains (ala annubis), if not she wouldnt be any more powerfull than an accient, and she wouldnt be allowed to meddle at this level, i dont think she would be allowed to go back to the ori galaxy.

Baal isnt dead though, he still has one clone left out there, adria might reappear though in the movie but not as an follower of origin anymore.

Remember the plot for the movie ties up the lose end of the ori story and introduces a new powerfull enemy in the ori galaxy, if it aint the ori, the ori army, the priors or adria, then who?

Unending wont tie up anything, thats what the movies are for to tie up some lose ends why creating new ones, so the adventures of sg-1 can continuing.

Thats my penny worths for the debate

Agree on your first two points but about Adria I don't. The Ancients have no say this time as it is different than Anubis. Adira ascended on her own so they have no say to send her back. Now if the ori are actually she now has all their power and can easily get back to her galaxy. I have no doubt that she could turn up in the movie as they would want to keep that hush hush. She wouldnt be the follower of Origin she would be the ori. The new enemy could very well be the ORI Adria and the Priors and followers. Unending will simply give us fans a jolly sendoff. Just my two cents.

jenks
March 8th, 2007, 02:24 PM
How did they cloke the ship carter could not figure it out.

She figured it out, that's all we need to know.


A goul'd taking over adria she was way more evovled.

It doesn't work like that, not to mention the fact that she wasn't really 'evolved' at all, species evolve, individuals don't.


Ori dead or not and ba'al died or not.

We'll find out for sure in the movies, but I believe we've already got our answer concerning the Ori.


now who is gonna lead the ori soliders and what become of adria can't she interfer like anbus or play by the rules.

Probably the Priors.


Ihope unending ties up some loose ends

I wouldn't hold your breath ;)

Integrabyte
March 8th, 2007, 02:55 PM
^It's not that simple; even Hermiod had to do some very precise calculations to do it himself.

Originally Posted by Integrabyte View Post
Where do we find out that her personal shield lost strength? When it comes to the Merlin episode....Daniel says...&quot;I had to get passed her shield and not I had to deplete her shield....&quot;

What's the difference?


1. deplete : means to deprive of something essential to existence or potency. deplete, implies a reduction in number or quantity so as to endanger the ability to function <depleting our natural resources>. drain implies a gradual withdrawal and ultimate deprivation of what is necessary to an existence <personal tragedy had drained him of all spirit>. exhaust stresses a complete emptying <her lecture exhausted the subject>. impoverish suggests a deprivation of something essential to richness or productiveness <impoverished soil>. bankrupt suggests impoverishment to the point of imminent collapse <war had bankrupted the nation of resources>.

Need i define the other word too?

Daniel Jackson got past her personal shield by using the anti-prior device and did not DEPLETE it....

The Anti-Prior Device suppresses Ori ability to use their advanced brains....


She figured it out, that's all we need to know.Indeed...one of the most important things in SG1 and she did it because...she did it...Big mistake from TPTB. It is not like they found some artefacts....they cloaked their attack vessel and had an advantage against everyone. Not even the Asgard can cloak their ships...and you tell us that it is not important how it was done....


How many races, except the Ancients, can cloak their attack vessels? It is obvious that the Ancients had this technology implemented on their warships...

freetoken
March 8th, 2007, 03:07 PM
Wasn't the personal shield supposed to be a fragment of Celestis (sp?) so that the Ori can channel their power through it and protect her? With the Ori dead, the necklace might not work.

Yes, indeed. There is suggested in the storyline of season 10 (the Adria season) that the necklace is mystically connected to the Ori. The necklace is never defined (in the show) as a technological device that you or me could use. People on this forum want to turn it into a shield such as the one Apophis et al used but no where in the show it is stated as such.

As such the necklace is one of the areas where Stargate mixes fantasy into normal science fiction. An scientific answer is not given; it is a plot device. That it did not have any effect in Dominion can be taken as evidence that it simply was not longer useful - I suggest because the ascended Ori have been successfully neutralized by Merlin's device.

As for Adria's advanced human capabilities (telekinesis, prescience, remote viewing, etc.), it is quite clear that the human (and Baal copied) device works on those parts of the brain that enable those advanced human capabilities. My only question about that device is *I thought* that when originally invented to work against priors it used ultrasonic sound, but here it is supposed to be an EM device.

jenks
March 8th, 2007, 03:08 PM
1. deplete : means to deprive of something essential to existence or potency. deplete, implies a reduction in number or quantity so as to endanger the ability to function <depleting our natural resources>. drain implies a gradual withdrawal and ultimate deprivation of what is necessary to an existence <personal tragedy had drained him of all spirit>. exhaust stresses a complete emptying <her lecture exhausted the subject>. impoverish suggests a deprivation of something essential to richness or productiveness <impoverished soil>. bankrupt suggests impoverishment to the point of imminent collapse <war had bankrupted the nation of resources>.

Need i define the other word too?

Daniel Jackson got passed her personal shield by using the anti-prior device and did not DEPLETE it....

The Anti-Prior Device suppresses Ori ability to use their advanced brains....



Yes, Daniel 'got passed it', maybe in doing so he depleted it's power.


Indeed...one of the most important things in SG1 and she did it because...she did it...Big mistake from TPTB. It is not like they found some artefacts....they cloaked their attack vessel and had an advantage against everyone. Not even the Asgard can cloak their ships...and you tell us that it is not important how it was done....


How many races, except the Ancients, can cloak their attack vessels? It is obvious that the Ancients had this technology implemented on their warships...

Haven't you been paying attention? Daniel gave the ship the ability to cloak, Carter just figured out how to turn it on and off, I don't think how she did it is very important.

Integrabyte
March 8th, 2007, 03:15 PM
It is a matter of interpretation when it comes to get past and deplete :P. There is no point selling ourselves short. Merlin, indeed, gave the vessel the ability but the fact that after 4 episodes with no connection to the ORI, we see the ship cloaked with no explanation whatsoever, is just wrong!!! So i ask you, don't we the fans deserve some clear info? The ship is not cloaked in the 4 episodes between Merlin one and Dominion and then suddenly it is cloaked, very dodgy....Why do we find excuses? They did not do a very good job with this episode! Everyone praising this episode ignores the huge plot holes. They gave Adria a very sexy attire hoping to distract the audience from the major flaws. I predict unending will follow a similar path.

Dominion reminds me of my first contact with English essay writing. I used to put so much info in one paragraph without proper punctuation that my teacher used to get so confused he did not know where the start, middle, and end was...

jenks
March 8th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Well I think it's a matter of opinion wether they screwed it up. I really don't know what sort of answer were you looking for, what were you expecting? Carter had a look at the systems, figured out how to turn it off and on again, simple. Also, there's no reason to assume she figured it out in this episode, I just assumed she would have worked it out just after 'The Shroud' it just wasn't worth mentioning. What are these plot holes you speak of?

meredithchandler73
March 8th, 2007, 03:27 PM
I'm gonna nitpick here. (Please don't throw things at me!)

I think what people are trying to say is "get past" not "get passed."

{meredithchandler73 runs and hides}

jerkface
March 8th, 2007, 03:28 PM
Is there a yawning icon? *searches* Ah, here we go: :ronananime17: Ronon will help me give my episode review.

Again, I give this episode points for being fully less terrible than those that preceded it. God, at least they finally returned to the main plotline.

I admit, I was drawn in by the opening. Even when I haven't liked all the character choices they've made for Vala, I've nearly always liked Claudia Black's performances. I hadn't read any spoilers for Dominion, so I took the flashbacks Vala narrated to Adria seriously; I thought CB made Vala seem very pathetic, trapped as she would have been in this situation.

I was especially interested in the idea that Vala, relying on dream information again, and SG-1 trusting their own too much, might have gotten members of another team killed. The acting on the part of the team leader who was angry at Vala was convincing, and it seemed like we were finally getting some nice, serious storytelling. :ronan:

...And then it all turned out to be a trick. :ronananime25:

Not only was the SGC/IOA, and SG-1, innocent of anything morally ambiguous (and at all interesting) like putting others in danger and then blaming the alien, but they were even completely blameless in the memory changing trick itself.

But, masochistic optimist that I am, I thought—surely it will get better!

And then Ba'al showed up. And all he did was be the campy, invincible Goa'uld lord again. The whole Ba'al-takes-over-Adria idea just seemed out and out dumb to me. It felt like a bad, superhero comic book type idea. "Gosh wouldn't it be cool to see what would happen if Venom took over Superman?!" Um, no? It would be...stupid?

I was half-interested in the Vala-Adria interaction. We did keep having SG-1 members ask Vala if she was okay with killing Adria, and again I thought Black played it well enough, showing how she seemed upset at the idea but not enough to save this relative stranger.

But it never went farther than that. It would gone somewhere if Vala had had to really make a choice between SG-1 and her daughter, or if Vala had felt some lingering mistrust of SG-1, in spite of the fact that the memories were false. But as it was, it seemed like SG-1 was going to act as they did regardless of Vala's opinion, so I wasn't sure whether she was even telling them the truth about her feelings, or just saying what they wanted to hear.

The strangest thing to me was how absent Sam, Teal'c, Cam, and even Daniel seemed. It felt like they were just there to spout lines that moved the plot along.

And then the ending reinforced the fact that there were almost no consequences to all this. Adria is dead, but not really. Ba'al is dead, but not really. The Ori are dead...unless Ba'al was lying, or Ascended!Adria replicates their behavior. But who really cares, as we don't know enough about Ba'al clone #652, or the born-yesterday messiah, or her intangible leaders to make them more than midly amusing at best.

Gah. Just put this show out of its misery, please. :ronananime01: I used to love it. :hammond08:

madaboutdanny
March 8th, 2007, 03:55 PM
Is there a yawning icon? *searches* Ah, here we go: :ronananime17: Ronon will help me give my episode review.

Again, I give this episode points for being fully less terrible than those that preceded it. God, at least they finally returned to the main plotline.

I admit, I was drawn in by the opening. Even when I haven't liked all the character choices they've made for Vala, I've nearly always liked Claudia Black's performances. I hadn't read any spoilers for Dominion, so I took the flashbacks Vala narrated to Adria seriously; I thought CB made Vala seem very pathetic, trapped as she would have been in this situation.

I was especially interested in the idea that Vala, relying on dream information again, and SG-1 trusting their own too much, might have gotten members of another team killed. The acting on the part of the team leader who was angry at Vala was convincing, and it seemed like we were finally getting some nice, serious storytelling. :ronan:

...And then it all turned out to be a trick. :ronananime25:

Not only was the SGC/IOA, and SG-1, innocent of anything morally ambiguous (and at all interesting) like putting others in danger and then blaming the alien, but they were even completely blameless in the memory changing trick itself.

But, masochistic optimist that I am, I thought—surely it will get better!

And then Ba'al showed up. And all he did was be the campy, invincible Goa'uld lord again. The whole Ba'al-takes-over-Adria idea just seemed out and out dumb to me. It felt like a bad, superhero comic book type idea. "Gosh wouldn't it be cool to see what would happen if Venom took over Superman?!" Um, no? It would be...stupid?

I was half-interested in the Vala-Adria interaction. We did keep having SG-1 members ask Vala if she was okay with killing Adria, and again I thought Black played it well enough, showing how she seemed upset at the idea but not enough to save this relative stranger.

But it never went farther than that. It would gone somewhere if Vala had had to really make a choice between SG-1 and her daughter, or if Vala had felt some lingering mistrust of SG-1, in spite of the fact that the memories were false. But as it was, it seemed like SG-1 was going to act as they did regardless of Vala's opinion, so I wasn't sure whether she was even telling them the truth about her feelings, or just saying what they wanted to hear.

The strangest thing to me was how absent Sam, Teal'c, Cam, and even Daniel seemed. It felt like they were just there to spout lines that moved the plot along.

And then the ending reinforced the fact that there were almost no consequences to all this. Adria is dead, but not really. Ba'al is dead, but not really. The Ori are dead...unless Ba'al was lying, or Ascended!Adria replicates their behavior. But who really cares, as we don't know enough about Ba'al clone #652, or the born-yesterday messiah, or her intangible leaders to make them more than midly amusing at best.

Gah. Just put this show out of its misery, please. :ronananime01: I used to love it. :hammond08:

Maybe have you watched another episode? I like Dominion, not the best, for me the best are The Quest and The Shroud, but deserves 9/10. I love the way Daniel cares about Vala and theyr closeness, there is a wonderfull chemistry between Daniel and Vala and I put all my shipper hopes on Unending...:D

nekoi
March 8th, 2007, 04:55 PM
I honestly don't know what to say about this episode.

It deffinately wasn't my favourite, but like the past few weeks, still a lot of fun to watch!

In the beginning, I really sympathized with Vala and how she was mistreated... the brainwash thing was kind of expected, but probably only because I read the brief description before I actually watched the episode... none the less, it was still a good turn of events and you could deffinately tell that Vala was still upset about it through the rest of the episode, as opposed to just getting over it. I found that very realistic, and Claudia Black did a WONERFUL acting job in this episode. Her scenes with Adria were wonderful and really dramatic.
Although it didn't have that "end of a series" feel, it really had that mysterious climax feel despite being rather forced.

Ba'aldria was a cool idea for a villain, I kind of wish we got to see her/him really kick some ass, but he was pretty much locked up the whole time.

I was also very happy to see Ba'al use his flashy eyes and deep voice again... those were my favourite traits of the Goa'Uld and I was rather upset how they ignored them this season. It was nice to see it one last time. I'm glad they used it on Ba'aldria, too... that was just so cool.

I would have to say that my favourite part of this episode was when they went into Ba'al's ship to capture Adria-- all the shooting and mayhem was very reminiscent of Season 1's finale and Season 2's opening. Really well done. :D

One thing that bothered me, though, was the lack of character involvement in the story-- there was hardly any interaction and mostly story, as opposed to story based on character interaction. I would have preferred to see the guest characters given more background than "OH I KNEW YOU AS QUETESH-- LET'S GET TO WORK." We finally get to see a Tok'ra this season and he's a pallet background character. (To be honest, I was really hoping for Malek; he was my favourite Tok'ra).

Good episode, could have been better, not one of my faves, but was fun to watch.

Kudos to Claudia.:vala:

Jeffer
March 8th, 2007, 05:01 PM
I was also very happy to see Ba'al use his flashy eyes and deep voice again... those were my favourite traits of the Goa'Uld and I was rather upset how they ignored them this season.



I agree that was one of the best parts in the ep Adria looked so taken back by the whole thing and was like WTF


But another great ep and i can't WAIT for the movies

I wonder if Adria knew that or jsut read his mind like any other mind

PG15
March 8th, 2007, 06:48 PM
Well I think it's a matter of opinion wether they screwed it up. I really don't know what sort of answer were you looking for, what were you expecting? Carter had a look at the systems, figured out how to turn it off and on again, simple. Also, there's no reason to assume she figured it out in this episode, I just assumed she would have worked it out just after 'The Shroud' it just wasn't worth mentioning. What are these plot holes you speak of?

Heh, I guess I should've just said this since the beginning.

Seriously, what kind of answer do you want? A scene of Sam explaning technobabble? What purpose would that serve other than to bore the audience to death?

Kanten
March 8th, 2007, 11:04 PM
Anybody else expecting a twist on Adria's ascension down the line? Rather than showing the actual event, all we got was a lighting reflection, which at a glance looked more white than the orange we would expect. Meanwhile, Daniel the ascension expert was absent from the room.

The way the whole scene was shot just makes me feel like it was more than a simple coincidence. Thinking there could be a chance that, for whatever reason, Adria ascended to the Ancients' plane instead of the Ori. Anyone else have speculations?

Mitchell82
March 8th, 2007, 11:08 PM
Maybe have you watched another episode? I like Dominion, not the best, for me the best are The Quest and The Shroud, but deserves 9/10. I love the way Daniel cares about Vala and theyr closeness, there is a wonderfull chemistry between Daniel and Vala and I put all my shipper hopes on Unending...:D

I truly don't get how some people don't see how great this ep was. Oh well IMO it was a great ep but I'm sad at the fact that only one ep is left.

Integrabyte
March 9th, 2007, 01:11 AM
I'm gonna nitpick here. (Please don't throw things at me!)

I think what people are trying to say is &quot;get past&quot; not &quot;get passed.&quot;

{meredithchandler73 runs and hides}

I stand corrected. When you chat on msn in 3 different languages and post on gateworld in a 4th you tend to make mistakes.
Seriously, what kind of answer do you want? A scene of Sam explaning technobabble? What purpose would that serve other than to bore the audience to death? I wanted something like we had in the past....for example: 1&quot;Colonel, you are the only one who can fly the ship because you have the ancient gene&quot; 2.If we place a charge at the event horizon the wormhole will jump to the nearest gate.&quot; and so on and so forth. So you were bored 99% of the time when Sam started the technobabble? I guess you would accept the fact that O'Neill was the only one able to fly the ancient puddle jumper without and explanations. Also you would not be astonished if ,in the episode when they dial the planet on a collision course with a black hole, the SGC gate would suddenly stop with no explanation and everyone would go to the cafeteria. Guess you would prefer the SG1 people not to waste time explaining boring stuff like how the ORI converted a planet into a micro singularity in order create their super gate. According to you, everything said in &quot;Beach head&quot; is a waste of time. You would prefer, to have the super gate shoved on the screen without any info on it ....

DrGemini2405
March 9th, 2007, 08:00 AM
Being the second to last episode made people ignore the fact that it was one of the most flawed episodes in Season 10. I liked it a lot, do not misunderstand me, but it had some bounty-family-ties thing about it. Do not chop my head off for not praising this episode like 99% of the people here.

1. About the cloak on the Odyssey, there is no reason and proof to believe Sam managed suddenly to do it. She could not have done this even with data gathered from Atlantis. I ask you, what data? I mean Rodney is to busy with lemons than actually interfacing a puddle jumper cloak with Daedalus or Apollo. There is no cloak of this magnitude in either shows .

2. Let's turn now to the ORI Armada. What happened to it? Plenty of ships came to the MW and plenty remained.

3. That random device used to replace Vala's memories. When did they get it? Not even the Goa'uld had something so advanced.



In my opinion the last episode about the Ori should have been the one with Merlin. The cast should have started filming the FILM use Dominion (filling all the voids in this episode) and finish the Ori storyline. The film could start with a properly done DOMINION, continue with super god Adria ascended who decides to destroy SG1 and convert the whole galaxy, etc. A properly done FILM is worth more than a flawed episode...

I'm not particularly sure about the rest, as I've seen only a little of the epi, but the memory device -- it's quite possibly one they brought back from the Galarans in Collateral Damage (s9) when

Cam was convicted of murder off-world and had his memory altered so that he 'remembered' doing it :cameron:

jenks
March 9th, 2007, 08:36 AM
I stand corrected. When you chat on msn in 3 different languages and post on gateworld in a 4th you tend to make mistakes. I wanted something like we had in the past....for example: 1&quot;Colonel, you are the only one who can fly the ship because you have the ancient gene&quot; 2.If we place a charge at the event horizon the wormhole will jump to the nearest gate.&quot; and so on and so forth. So you were bored 99% of the time when Sam started the technobabble? I guess you would accept the fact that O'Neill was the only one able to fly the ancient puddle jumper without and explanations. Also you would not be astonished if ,in the episode when they dial the planet on a collision course with a black hole, the SGC gate would suddenly stop with no explanation and everyone would go to the cafeteria. Guess you would prefer the SG1 people not to waste time explaining boring stuff like how the ORI converted a planet into a micro singularity in order create their super gate. According to you, everything said in &quot;Beach head&quot; is a waste of time. You would prefer, to have the super gate shoved on the screen without any info on it ....

No, because you need to know what's going on in Beach Head. Did anyone actually think at the end of 'The Shroud' that she wouldn't of figured it out? It wasn't portrayed as much of a problem, not to mention the fact that we saw it with the cloak off inbetween episodes. It's like when she managed to rig a naquadah generator to stuff, we don't need to know exactly how she did it, it's the fact that she did that's important.

JanusAncient
March 9th, 2007, 12:54 PM
There is one thing that just didn't make any sense to me. Adria had an anti-Prior device on her ship. Being as intelligent as she is wouldn't she have turned it on before returning, in order to be able counteract its effects, so that people wouldn't be able to use it again on her?

Jeffer
March 9th, 2007, 03:21 PM
There is one thing that just didn't make any sense to me. Adria had an anti-Prior device on her ship. Being as intelligent as she is wouldn't she have turned it on before returning, in order to be able counteract its effects, so that people wouldn't be able to use it again on her?

I don't think its a matter of just shutting it off it effects your brain to the effect that you can't use special powers. I think it was actually part of Baal's plot for her to be captured. Like after he took her over why would he keep her locked up and with such a light amount of Jaffa watching her like he would have to know that Sg-1 would be after him.

The one thing that is still stuck in my mind WHY would they not think to use the anti-Prior device when Adria is on the operating table or in the room waiting to die.

JanusAncient
March 9th, 2007, 04:05 PM
I'm saying that she should have left it turned on, so that they couldn't use it again on her. Like Daniel, or a Prior, when they learned how to counteract the device it became ineffective.

the fifth man
March 9th, 2007, 04:31 PM
I truly don't get how some people don't see how great this ep was. Oh well IMO it was a great ep but I'm sad at the fact that only one ep is left.

I thought it was great too. But everyone has their own opinion, and sees things differently. We just have to respect that fact in the end. If some didn't like it, I see it as their loss.

I'm very sad there is only one episode left too. I'm trying to remain upbeat though. As much as possible anyways. Besides, we still have the two movies to look forward to.:)

Mitchell82
March 9th, 2007, 06:18 PM
I thought it was great too. But everyone has their own opinion, and sees things differently. We just have to respect that fact in the end. If some didn't like it, I see it as their loss.

I'm very sad there is only one episode left too. I'm trying to remain upbeat though. As much as possible anyways. Besides, we still have the two movies to look forward to.:)

Yeah I know. I just don't get it sometimes, but I'm sure they say the same about us. I too can't wait for the movies I hope we have much more movies.

Gate Master
March 9th, 2007, 06:26 PM
Yes, indeed. There is suggested in the storyline of season 10 (the Adria season) that the necklace is mystically connected to the Ori. The necklace is never defined (in the show) as a technological device that you or me could use. People on this forum want to turn it into a shield such as the one Apophis et al used but no where in the show it is stated as such.

As such the necklace is one of the areas where Stargate mixes fantasy into normal science fiction. An scientific answer is not given; it is a plot device. That it did not have any effect in Dominion can be taken as evidence that it simply was not longer useful - I suggest because the ascended Ori have been successfully neutralized by Merlin's device.

The necklace was refferred to in the quest as a shield. I've always took the whole 'fragment of Celestis' thing to be one of those annoying ori metaphors which in this case I think is to make something scientific seem magical.

Up untill dominion I too thought that there was some sort of link between the ori, adria's neckless and the prior staffs. But if that is true then the ori cant be dead because adria if she is to be believed has been building more ships which require activation from a prior staff of likely her neckless.
So the Ori are dead and there is no link or they are alive and well powering up the new ships. Thats unless adria found a way of powering the ships with out them. But then that likely means that the priors wont have the use of their staffs which I cant see, because with in the show it would be proof of their gods demise and make the story hard to justify why the ori army still believe and wont leave peacefully.

Either way her shield should have stopped them tagging her much like an ancient shield would do. Even if worst case senario it was destroyed,depleted or what ever, adria with all her knowledge should have been able to replace it. While she was taking the time to build large scale shields for her new fleet it seems common sense given the amount of times its protected her in the past that she would build herself a new personal shield.

Mitchell82
March 9th, 2007, 06:46 PM
The necklace was refferred to in the quest as a shield. I've always took the whole 'fragment of Celestis' thing to be one of those annoying ori metaphors which in this case I think is to make something scientific seem magical.

Up untill dominion I too thought that there was some sort of link between the ori, adria's neckless and the prior staffs. But if that is true then the ori cant be dead because adria if she is to be believed has been building more ships which require activation from a prior staff of likely her neckless.
So the Ori are dead and there is no link or they are alive and well powering up the new ships. Thats unless adria found a way of powering the ships with out them. But then that likely means that the priors wont have the use of their staffs which I cant see, because with in the show it would be proof of their gods demise and make the story hard to justify why the ori army still believe and wont leave peacefully.

Either way her shield should have stopped them tagging her much like an ancient shield would do. Even if worst case senario it was destroyed,depleted or what ever, adria with all her knowledge should have been able to replace it. While she was taking the time to build large scale shields for her new fleet it seems common sense given the amount of times its protected her in the past that she would build herself a new personal shield.

I disagree. The power of celestis could very well still be present. Just b/c the Ori are dead does not mean that the power of celestis suddnely dies. I believe that the necklace holds the power of celestis but like the Ori staffs need a mental component to work. Thus adria's mental abilities were being supressed so the shield will not work.

Gate Master
March 9th, 2007, 07:09 PM
I disagree. The power of celestis could very well still be present. Just b/c the Ori are dead does not mean that the power of celestis suddnely dies. I believe that the necklace holds the power of celestis but like the Ori staffs need a mental component to work. Thus adria's mental abilities were being supressed so the shield will not work.
While I hadn't previously considered it, I do agree that the power of celestis could still be present in some form or another. But the quest does prove beyond doubt that no mental powers are required to operate the shield since she was subject to a more advanced anti prior device, and yet still used the shield effectively even extending it round SG1. I say more advanced because in the ep she had been there some time and if she could have developed an immunity to the device then she wouldn't have needed SG1 and by the time they arrived she would have had her powers back.
Even if her neckless did require mental powers she should have been able to create a shield with her knowledge that worked like the ancients one

Mitchell82
March 9th, 2007, 07:12 PM
While I hadn't previously considered it, I do agree that the power of celestis could still be present in some form or another. But the quest does prove beyond doubt that no mental powers are required to operate the shield since she was subject to a more advanced anti prior device, and yet still used the shield effectively even extending it round SG1. I say more advanced because in the ep she had been there some time and if she could have developed an immunity to the device then she wouldn't have needed SG1 and by the time they arrived she would have had her powers back.
Even if her neckless did require mental powers she should have been able to create a shield with her knowledge that worked like the ancients one

Well in the Quest Morgan had installed safegards preventing her from using her powers but that doesnt mean her mental abilities were 100% surpressed like with our anti prior stuff.