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Madeleine
February 27th, 2007, 01:06 PM
Vala and Sam go well together :)
So do Vala and Daniel :D

Could have done without the whole Dad thing though. Either of them.

nerus
February 27th, 2007, 01:08 PM
not one of the best episodes but i really liked the ending poor teal'c

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
February 27th, 2007, 01:08 PM
Lol The Last Scene Was Hilarious! :D

sgeureka
February 27th, 2007, 01:17 PM
Lol The Last Scene Was Hilarious! :DDarn! That's so evil. I was coming here to finally read up on what Joe&Paul meant with their comments...


"The final scene may surprise some viewers, but only if the network leaves it in. I don't want to oversell it, but it is perhaps the greatest final scene in the history of Stargate." — Paul Mullie, TV Zone Special #74, January 2007.

Concerning the final scene: "Can’t say much about the scene in question. Suffice it to say, the episode has a few “topical references”. When I wrote the scene, I assumed someone would insist I lose it. As it turned out, nobody objected (because, I suspect, they were too busy to notice and figured someone else would get around to objecting for them). Can’t say more." — Joseph Mallozzi, Personal Blog, January 21, 2007....but it has already been suggested in another thread that one should find out for himself what's so funny about this.

Now I have to avoid this forum for the night to get the max deal out of this scene. :mad:

Goodnight. :)

Elite Anubis Guard
February 27th, 2007, 01:17 PM
Definately not the best episode. The plot was thin and dull at best. But, I loved Vala's backstory. Can't help but think it was her father who made her turn out like she was. It's a twisted comparrison, but like those kids who get abused and end up turning into murders, it reminded me of that in a way.

This episode really highlighted just how Vala had changed, and what she'd done through. It was nice seeing her relationship with Sam continue onwards. Ever since that hug in The Path/Road(?) Not Taken, I've been wanting to see more from them.

And that ending. OMG. That might be the funniest SG moment.

stevearm07
February 27th, 2007, 01:20 PM
That was quite possibly the worst episode of Stargate I've ever seen, ever.

- Boring
- Dull
- Stupid
- [email protected] script
- Jason or whatever his name was was more annoying than Lucius off Atlantis if that's possible.
- Horrible acting
- Landry B storyline was laughable
- A waste of an episode
- Boring

Worst episode of SG-1 ever.

Not funny, not fun and a complete waste. There's 2 more episodes left after this and we're subjected to this<mod snip>. Unending sounds pretty bad as well unfortunately.

Completely lost faith in these writers.

The only Season 10 episodes that were good have been the Orii one. ALL of the other ones have just been complete. rubbish.

0/10.

Awful.

IWKYZerocool
February 27th, 2007, 01:22 PM
I thought this episode was funny. But must admit that Vala's Dad is worst the Luicus.

Team SG-1*save the show*
February 27th, 2007, 01:22 PM
this ep was more funny than anything else but we saw development of several characters. teal'c at the end- who would have thought lol:bratac13: :lol:

nerus
February 27th, 2007, 01:23 PM
What is with the ending with Vala's dad tricking the dealer within those packing things?

Owain
February 27th, 2007, 01:24 PM
That was quite possibly the worst episode of Stargate I've ever seen, ever.

- Boring
- Dull
- Stupid
- [email protected] script
- Jason or whatever his name was was more annoying than Lucius off Atlantis if that's possible.
- Horrible acting
- Landry B storyline was laughable
- A waste of an episode
- Boring

Worst episode of SG-1 ever.

Not funny, not fun and a complete waste. There's 2 more episodes left after this and we're subjected to this <mod snip>. Unending sounds pretty bad as well unfortunately.

Completely lost faith in these writers.

The only Season 10 episodes that were good have been the Orii one. ALL of the other ones have just been complete. rubbish.

0/10.

Awful.
And you've now said that three times. We get it! ;)

Admiral Mappalazarou
February 27th, 2007, 01:24 PM
The episode was quite poor quality overall with some good comedy scenes. The ending was one of the best endings in stargate history though. :)

SG18
February 27th, 2007, 01:27 PM
not the best ep 3/10

poor teal'c

BJX
February 27th, 2007, 01:28 PM
I really liked this episode. It was a lot of fun. Fred Willard was great, and it gave Vala the chance to really come full circle, to face her past and once and for all and move on.

It also brought closure to the Landry/Dr. Lam relationship which was nice.

And yes that last scene was absolutely hilarious. Maybe the funniest scene in Stargate history and it was nice to see Joe and Paul taking a shot at the Sci-Fi network.

This was a light, character driven episode with a lot of fun moments, and unlike the previous two light hearted episodes, Bounty and Bad Guys, this one hit the right tone despite the fact that story wise it was far lighter then those two.

8/10

Team SG-1*save the show*
February 27th, 2007, 01:29 PM
And you've now said that three times. We get it! ;)

i know it is getting VERY annoying. its been done on another thread :mad:

Kazan
February 27th, 2007, 01:29 PM
This is not a particularly good synopsis - couldnt seem to get into this - but here goes anyway. Not sure what the spelling was of Valas fathers name so forgive me if it not right. Pics to come later


****************************************************
Opening Teaser
SGC
Vala and Sam dressed to the nines in civilian clothes have been shopping. They look fantastic. They are carrying lots of shopping bags and have had a girls day out. Shopping, pedicure, etc.
Cam and Siler bump into them as they walk down the corridor. Siler turns tall quickly to get away and is smashed in the nose by someone opening a door as he turns around behind.
Cam talks with the girls about their day and what they have been up to.
They are interrupted by an offworld activation. Landry is talking with a man who says he has heard highly of him.
Sam Vala and Cam come into the control room.
Vala exclaims “Jasec!” Landry asks she knows him – Vala says “a little – he is my father”

Act 1
Vala obviously doesn’t like her dad. She trades insults and barbed comments about his parenting skills, absence as she was growing up and her relationship but he brushes it off.
Jasec says he must come though to the SGC and give them information about the plot Arkhad put in motion. It is still a threat although Arkhad is dead.

SG1 go to the planet to meet him.

Jasec asks for sanctuary. He admits he was not a great father, husband etc as he and Vala trade barbed comments
He explains Arkhad sent out some Naquada loaded cargo ships which are still out there waiting attack on Earth. He wants to trade their location for sanctuary.

Back at the SGC, SG1 discuss the offer with Landry. Vala thinks its just a way for him to avoid all the people he has previously annoyed before they catch up with him.
They agree to test out some of the intelligence and see if that can verify the ships existence.

Act2
Lam is treating Siler for a broken nose, Landry calls her away.
Landry talks with her about reaching out to Carolyns mother. Although it has been 5 years since they have spoken, Lam agrees to call her mother and put in a good word for Landry.

On Odyssey
Vala tells Cam that they are travelling to a location on false information– the ships wont be there. Cam says they should wait and see.
They arrive at a planet, there are 12 life signs and a massive evidence of Naquada.
The people are trying to make a run for it. They fire on the planets surface. There is a massive secondary explosion which suggest that the intelligence was good and that they have destroyed all the naquada cargo ships.

Back at the SGC, Vala tells Landry they are making a big mistake giving Sanctuary to Jasec. He comes through to the SGC, 2 airman loaded down with bags.

Landry visits Vala in her room.It is 3 weeks later. He brings her a letter from her father. She puts it in the bin.
She wants nothing to do with him. Landry says family should come first but Vala says he wasn’t around much. Landry admits he wasn’t either for Carolyn but Vala says that his profession was more honourable than her fathers.
She reminisces about the few times he was around when she was younger, about when he did come home he always brought her trinkets, bracelets, necklaces etc. She kept everything in a treasure box but as she grew older she realised it was all worthless.
Landry tries to get her to give Jasec a break – he has tried every day to get in touch.
He retrieves the letter from the bin and leaves it with her on the bed.

Daniel and Cam go to visit Jasec in his new apartment. He is playing bingo with the old people in his building. He is fleecing them for payment and at the game.

When all the others lead, Daniel says he has been scamming people with phone calls etc. Jasec says he needs to supplement the small money he gets from the air force.
He asks them to get Vala to meet with him.

Carolyn goes to see Landry in his office. Her mother has agreed to have dinner with him (so long as Carolyn goes along) when she passes though Colorado. Landry is surprised (but pleased) at how easily it appears that Carolyn was able to convince her mother to meet with him.

Daniel and Cam return to the SGC and are meet by Vala. She says its not worth them trying to get her to talk to her father – she has already decided to go see him.

Vala arrives at his apartment. She tells him she is not seeking reconciliation. She wants a cathartic experience. She gets all her feelings off her chest, telling him how badly she thinks of him. How he has no right to mess up her life now that she has found a place she is happy with SG1 and at the SGC. She says he has no right to mess up her life
She want to leave, Jasec wants her to give him a chance to prove he is on the level and trying to turn over a new leaf.
He gives her a trinket necklace, it makes her remember all the past times he brought her gifts when she was young and she is beginning to waiver but still leaves. She tells him goodbye using his first name. He asks – “for once please call me Dad”.
Vala says “you have not earned that right – yet”
She calls out that she will be in touch.

blufeenix
February 27th, 2007, 01:30 PM
And you've now said that three times. We get it! ;)

I second that..

Most of my comments for this are in the other thread but I started out fairly interested then the valas dad came in and the ep dipped - luckily it picked up towards the end so i would say in general it was decent.. nice charecter stuff for vala - claudia black rocks as usual.. not much of cam (shame) Walters line too landry was very funny especially the looks.. the end was so extremly funny :tealc:

WormholeAlien
February 27th, 2007, 01:30 PM
What a waste of an hour! If you haven't seen it yet, I envy you. miss it. do anything else! Whatever you fancy.

They even managed to get some complaints about how the Stargate Programme has done so much for the "NETWORK" of planets, yet they aren't getting any budget. Basically whining about the show itself ending.

sueKay
February 27th, 2007, 01:31 PM
That last scene is the funniest thing I have seen in Stargate...EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

iheartvala
February 27th, 2007, 01:31 PM
screencaps? :p

Kazan
February 27th, 2007, 01:31 PM
Second part of the synopsis

*****************************************************
Act 3
Vala returns to the SGC. Sam catches her and calls her to her lab. She shows her an advert she has found on the internet staring Jasec. He is scam selling vials of “genuine stardust” for $49.95.
Vala storms out.

Jasec and Cam talk in the conference room.
Cam spells out that it was a scam and that they will not tolerate it.
Jasec finally agrees to no more scams and leaves.

Tealc escorts Jasec out and gives him some advice “be less annoying”
As he waits for the lift, Vala unfortunately passes by. Jasec invites her out but she says no.

Vala and Daniel talk. He asks how she is.
Daniel says, she seems disappointed. She agrees – but she is disappointed in herself rather than him. She always thought he would lie but not that she would start to falter and believe in him
Daniel draws parallets between her struggle to change and better herself and Jasec. He gets her to see that despite the fact that she wanted to change it was hard. She should give him a chance too.

Daniel and Vala go to his apartment.
He seems to have left, he has taken off his tagging device but fortunately they planted a sub cutainious tracking device.
Daniel calls Sam and they track him by satellite.
Daniel and Vala find him talking in the woods with a man.

Daniel startles him, and the man tries to zat Daniel but he manages to shoot him first.
The man was a Jaffa.
It seems that Jasec was in on a plot with Arkhads Jaffa. One of the Cargo ships was already placed on earth waiting for the attack. Jasec was going to work with the Jaffa to get to the ship. He wanted the Naquada.

Landry and SG1 discuss the situation.Jasec has offered to help them find the ship in return for a 50/50 share of the naquada. They said no!!!

Sam and Dr Lee are trying to find the cloaked ship that has been left on earth with Jasecs help.
Jasec hits on Sam and asks her to Dinner once everything is over – she says no and calls him a jerk!

Sam lets slip it is taking time to find the ship as they don’t get a lot of support anymore for the Stargate programme.

Carolyn calls Landry and remind him about dinner with her mother. He had forgotten and tries to postpone but eventually says he’ll be there.

Sam and Jasec go to see Landry and say they have find the ship. It is about 30 miles from the mountain.
Landry is going to order a strike on the rebel Jaffa and the ship. Jasec lets slip that the ship is booby trapped but he has the code to disarm it. It’s the first they have heard of this.

Vala and Jasec are walking to meet the Jaffa and the cloaked ship. The rest of SG1 are backup. Tealc is somewhere else and radios Landry to say he “has delivered the package”

Vala and Jasec are captured by the Jaffa but just in time, Daniel and Cam overpower the Jaffa and Vala and Jasec are sent to find the cloaked ship.

They find it and zat the Jaffa guard.
Jasec says that Vala should stay behind as takes the ship and input the disarm code to stop the booby trap. He gives her the necklace keepsake that he tried to give her before.

Act 4
Jasec is on the ship. He power is up, decloaks it and takes off, leaving Vala behind.
Vala calls him on the radio. Jasec admits that there never was an override code and that he is taking the ship.

But they have double crossed him.
Sam has the real ship safely, they have let him take an old ship. But now they know they do not need an override code anymore.
Vala goes to the Jaffa guard that they zatted and turns him over. It was Tealc!

Landry rushes off to meet his ex wife.
At the restaurant he finds Carolyn alone, and thinks he has come too late. But his ex is thereafter all. They sit and touchingly agree that they have a lot to talk about.

On another planet, Jasec is trying to sell the cargo ship he has taken unaware that he has been scammed. When the potential buyer says all there is lots of lead rather than naquada, Jasec thinks on his feet and scams the buyer into believing that it is something of value!

Vala is in her room and has her trinket box out but quickly hides it quickly as Sam comes to visit Vala with a bottle of wine and 2 glasses – “girls night in”. Sam says she is sorry that Vala has been let down again by her father. Vala is quite sanguine about it. At least they managed to out scam Jasec on his scam!

Vala asks where the boys are. Sam says, Cam has a date, Daniel is tired and Tealc has tickets to a show.
Cut to Tealc entering a theatre and sitting down amongst lots of women. The show starts – its is The Vagina Monologues. He is mortified and ends with his head in his hands!

rnwhocares
February 27th, 2007, 01:34 PM
Pictures anyone? any vala/daniel interaction:)

Serebii
February 27th, 2007, 01:34 PM
Best Ending Ever hahahaha. Classic.

I also liked the not-so-subtle stabs at Sci Fi for cancelling

Was an ok ep, not the best, but is good to get something like this before the end :)

stevearm07
February 27th, 2007, 01:35 PM
For anyone who hasn't seen this episode. Don't bother. It's a complete waste.

Closure to the Landry/Lam storyline????????????? PUHLEEEASE!!!! Because Landry and his ex wife went to dinner? What a joke.

Anyone who gives this episode more than 3/10 must be kidding.

petemoretti
February 27th, 2007, 01:42 PM
Cam is on a date ?
Is it with the chick from "Bounty" Amy something ?

stevearm07
February 27th, 2007, 01:42 PM
And yeah, most people on this forum hated this episode, luckily.

Again, for all who hasn't seen it, don't bother.

grasshopper64
February 27th, 2007, 01:45 PM
I found this fairly boring and predictable, and I think they could have come up with something better for an ep so near the end.

The Landry/Lam stuff seemed pointless to me, and Vala's dad just felt very predictable.

There were some good things though, Teal'c at the end, given what JM & PM had said I never would have seen this coming, I thought there would be some big political statement or something.

Liked the Sam/Vala interaction, going shopping together, straight out of fanfic:)
Vala has grown on me I'll admit, she's become a bit more grown up recently, especially that in recent eps she's not been joined at the hip with Daniel and is being allowed to interact with the others more.:)

FoolishPleasure
February 27th, 2007, 01:46 PM
The Lam/Landry thing is enough to not watch. Hopefully Lam won't be included in the movies!

Indum'kra
February 27th, 2007, 01:46 PM
Eh, I give the first 40 minutes of this episode 5/10. Not bad, but not good either.

However the ending was absolutley priceless and gets a 10/10 :jack_new_anime06: :valaanime06: :weiranime20: :tealc44:

Team SG-1*save the show*
February 27th, 2007, 01:48 PM
yes there were bad bits in this episode but also some good bits and most people agree. i have always enjoyed stargate and yes some eps may be less favourable than others.

Nikki
February 27th, 2007, 01:50 PM
any vala/daniel interaction

Not really anything shippy, however, I don't really ship them so maybe I'm not seeing it, but they were hardly together in this ep. Although there was one scen in Daniel's lab where he's being a good friend and talking to her about going to see her father.


Cam is on a date ?
Is it with the chick from "Bounty" Amy something ?

We don't get to find out who he's on a date with.

<snip>

The Signal
February 27th, 2007, 01:53 PM
Okay, character development 101. Lesson the First:

If someone changes, write them differently, don't have them say "I've changed"

Apparently the standards over on the SG1 crew have slipped so far now that they have lost track of this episode. Sure Daniel's shoot first ask questions never action was out of nowhere and out of character, but it was at least a little better written than Vala's supposed growth.

As for her father, another example of cliche sleazebag who can't be trusted, thats two on the SG's in one year, how original.

The Landry story was crap, another attempt to force *air quotes* character moments, down our throats. Terrible writing once again from TPTB.

The moment with Sam and Vala ticked me off, Sam was in uniform, and therefore likely still on duty, so should she really be drinking on the job, or have the SGC let things go.

Teal'c's final scene was just terrible, it was a cheap laugh just showing the schoolboy level of humor TPTB like these days, what ever happened to the smart gags of old? It was also clearly a nod to AT performing on the vagina monologues, which leads me to the next point, aren't in jokes meant to be subtle? Two at least in this ep, blatantly obvious, just :rolleyes: worthy.

The only saving grace was the acting talents of CB, who is wasted on this crap, as is the rest of the cast. With episodes like this, the cancellation of SG1 is right on cue IMO

1/10

stevearm07
February 27th, 2007, 01:54 PM
Okay, character development 101. Lesson the First:

If someone changes, write them differently, don't have them say "I've changed"

Apparently the standards over on the SG1 crew have slipped so far now that they have lost track of this episode. Sure Daniel's shoot first ask questions never action was out of nowhere and out of character, but it was at least a little better written than Vala's supposed growth.

As for her father, another example of cliche sleazebag who can't be trusted, thats two on the SG's in one year, how original.

The Landry story was crap, another attempt to force *air quotes* character moments, down our throats. Terrible writing once again from TPTB.

The moment with Sam and Vala ticked me off, Sam was in uniform, and therefore likely still on duty, so should she really be drinking on the job, or have the SGC let things go.

Teal'c's final scene was just terrible, it was a cheap laugh just showing the schoolboy level of humor TPTB like these days, what ever happened to the smart gags of old? It was also clearly a nod to AT performing on the vagina monologues, which leads me to the next point, aren't in jokes meant to be subtle? Two at least in this ep, blatantly obvious, just :rolleyes: worthy.

The only saving grace was the acting talents of CB, who is wasted on this crap, as is the rest of the cast. With episodes like this, the cancellation of SG1 is right on cue IMO

1/10


Well said

jannagalaxy
February 27th, 2007, 02:03 PM
The ending was so funny!

When Sam said that Teal'c got tickets...I was like...oh...no...because I knew what was coming up!

sueKay
February 27th, 2007, 02:07 PM
The episode was so-so...Vala's dad was annoying but everything else was okay.

But ten years of SG1 was worth it just to see Teal'c at the Vaginal Monologues :D

Sg1_fan
February 27th, 2007, 02:08 PM
It was an ok ep, i thought the ending funny. i would give it 5/10.

thewatcher
February 27th, 2007, 02:09 PM
About half-way through Janec mentions having tickets for "The Virginia Dialogues or something". I assumed that was as close as they'd be allowed to get, but found it amusing anyway. I didn't realise it was a signpost for the ending. Are they going to be able to show that bit in the States? Best use of the Sod It clause since the final Max Headroom.

Yes, it was predictable, but that's usually the case in the last few series. The days when the writers understood the Stargate world better than most of the audience and could bring in logical but unexpected twists has gone. So now we enjoy it for different reasons, mainly the interaction of the characters. And on that front, there were some good scenes tonight, though I could have done without Landry's scenes - resolution of a non-existent plotline.

I for one am willing to forgive the writers a lot for the sake of the last scene, which will stay with me for quite a while.:tealcanime49:

stevearm07
February 27th, 2007, 02:15 PM
Again it was a pathetic episode.

The end of the episode was very funny, but it seems like the ending is suddenly adding 5+ points to peoples /10 rating.

A funny ending doesn't make up for 40 minutes of absolute rubbish. The worst episode of SG-1 I've ever seen.

If THAt was the ending of the Landry/Lam "storyline" (and I say "storyline" because all we've had in two years is: dad not being a good dad. Lam is an annoying ***** to her dad. The most typical and predictable storyline in the world. Funnily enough that lame plotline can also be applied to Vala/her dad). Anyway if THAT was the resolution... Landry having dinner with his ex... this series has gotten worse than I thought.

mancslad08
February 27th, 2007, 02:19 PM
0/10

Garbage.

Again.

Terrah
February 27th, 2007, 02:23 PM
Overall I did like the episode, there were some great interactions. Loved the Sam/Vala development. My hubby loved the first 30 seconds, Oh and Siler made me lmao.
I agree with thewatcher , it was a predictable storyline, but there were some funny scenes and I enjoyed it.

Oh and as for Teal'c and Vaginal Monologue, that has to be the funniest SG scene ever.

:tealc: :tealc: :tealc: :tealc: :tealc: :tealc: :tealc: :tealc: :tealc: :tealc: :tealc: :tealc: :tealc:

Integrabyte
February 27th, 2007, 02:23 PM
Pros:

1. It's been a while since Sam socialized with someone with the same sex. Very interesting that she did it with Vala.
2. Insight in Vala's childhood.
3. Teal'c priceless.


Only one CON:

Why on Earth do we need 5 episodes to find out what happens with the Ori?

blufeenix
February 27th, 2007, 02:28 PM
the landry stuff was just there to wrap up a story line so i'll forgive that as hopefully it means we wont get any useless story in the movies, let's just hope the last 2 episodes are a hell of alot stronger..

the thing I find funny about alot of the complaints though is the seemingly "who cares" attitude about what sg-1 does when there not saving the galaxy etc.. fans actually asked for more charecter stuff and I found it nice to see Vala/Sam interacting in that way.. i found the few standalone eps a nice change of pace, but not for a show in it's last few eps, I know it was cancelled late into the writing etc.. so don't complain to me over it.. I would have liked a few more ori storylines is all.

knowles2
February 27th, 2007, 02:31 PM
No that was not probably their ultimate plan for the ending of that particular story line they probably planned on getting it resolve in season 11, but we do not have that season anymore.


Through I have not seen the episode. I will see it just like I have seen every episode of Star trek, I am determine to see every episode of Stargate, the bad the ugly and the damn right good.

And just from hearing it on here if landry and his wife interactions seemed forced then how it should of been if it was in real life.

Also people seem to of forgotten it most likely all but closing scenes and any re shooting of scenes would all that would of been done after the cancellation they probably did not have the time or the budget to redo entire episodes and storylines.


I suspect if we were to be given a season 11 we would seen these story tide in the overall storyline.

<snip>

all you need to do is post your opinion once.


Now i Just have to wait until saturday before I cane see it.

stevearm07
February 27th, 2007, 02:35 PM
Pros:

1. It's been a while since Sam socialized with someone with the same sex. Very interesting that she did it with Vala.
2. Insight in Vala's childhood.
3. Teal'c priceless.


Only one CON:

Why on Earth do we need 5 episodes to find out what happens with the Ori?

Another few cons:

- boring
- predictable
- cringe-worthy
- pointless
- bad acting
- a waste of the last 3 episodes
- more bad acting from the actor who plays Mitchell.

Mitchell82
February 27th, 2007, 02:35 PM
Pros:

1. It's been a while since Sam socialized with someone with the same sex. Very interesting that she did it with Vala.
2. Insight in Vala's childhood.
3. Teal'c priceless.


Only one CON:

Why on Earth do we need 5 episodes to find out what happens with the Ori?

Ok I understand your viewpoint but remember folks only Dominion and Unending were not even written at the time of cancellation. Everything else was either in post or pre production and couldnt redo/rewrite. They all planned on a season 11 and while I would have loved more Ori stories I have loved the standalones and it seems like I'll love this one too. All I hope for is a good resolution in the Movie.

Kazan
February 27th, 2007, 02:41 PM
Few piccies


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/kazan2364/Family/F1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/kazan2364/Family/F2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/kazan2364/Family/F3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/kazan2364/Family/F4.jpg

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Kazan
February 27th, 2007, 02:44 PM
and just a few more



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stevearm07
February 27th, 2007, 02:44 PM
Sam really looks awful in the top.

Vala looks good though.

rnwhocares
February 27th, 2007, 02:51 PM
Few piccies


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Ok, I have to say this--I have gone out to shopping malls with my girlfriends numerous times for the whole"girl" thing, but never in a dress. And do we always have to see Sam in a low cut dress!! Also, just something totally off track, but has anyone else noticec that lexa doig looks just like Valeri ++++(who played Share') but just thinner and younger.

Mitchell82
February 27th, 2007, 02:52 PM
Ok, I have to say this--I have gone out to shopping malls with my girlfriends numerous times for the whole"girl" thing, but never in a dress. And do we always have to see Sam in a low cut dress!! Also, just something totally off track, but has anyone else noticec that lexa doig looks just like Valeri ++++(who played Share') but just thinner and younger.

Yeah mabey a little and it makes sense as MS was/is married to both.

rnwhocares
February 27th, 2007, 02:53 PM
Thanks for the pics

Terrah
February 27th, 2007, 02:56 PM
Great caps Kazan.

Thanks for sharing. :)

rnwhocares
February 27th, 2007, 02:56 PM
Okay, character development 101. Lesson the First:

If someone changes, write them differently, don't have them say "I've changed"

Apparently the standards over on the SG1 crew have slipped so far now that they have lost track of this episode. Sure Daniel's shoot first ask questions never action was out of nowhere and out of character, but it was at least a little better written than Vala's supposed growth.

As for her father, another example of cliche sleazebag who can't be trusted, thats two on the SG's in one year, how original.

The Landry story was crap, another attempt to force *air quotes* character moments, down our throats. Terrible writing once again from TPTB.

The moment with Sam and Vala ticked me off, Sam was in uniform, and therefore likely still on duty, so should she really be drinking on the job, or have the SGC let things go.

Teal'c's final scene was just terrible, it was a cheap laugh just showing the schoolboy level of humor TPTB like these days, what ever happened to the smart gags of old? It was also clearly a nod to AT performing on the vagina monologues, which leads me to the next point, aren't in jokes meant to be subtle? Two at least in this ep, blatantly obvious, just :rolleyes: worthy.

The only saving grace was the acting talents of CB, who is wasted on this crap, as is the rest of the cast. With episodes like this, the cancellation of SG1 is right on cue IMO

1/10
Sam was in uniform the same way both Mitchell and Daniel were at the end of
--I want to say--ETHON

Nikki
February 27th, 2007, 02:56 PM
Easy it tells me you don't read these posts. I'd say at the moment it's half and half. It looks good to me and I have seen every episode of Sg-1 so I won't stop now. I love/like all episodes just some better than others. From the caps this ep looks great

Yeh, I'd say it was 50/50 as well. And I think only a small handful hate it, otherwise the rest just wanted more ori action. I've seen it and thought it was ok/good, worth a watch IMO. And absolutely agree with you, no matter what other people say I would never miss an SG1 ep - never have never will.

And I thought Sam looked great in the opening scene. And it was a dress not a top as someone mentioned.

Serebii
February 27th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Anyone else notice that Vala had her patches on her uniform on the wrong sleeves for half the episode?

In fact I think it was also like this in a scene in Talion...I'll have to double check

the dancer of spaz
February 27th, 2007, 03:10 PM
Teal'c's final scene was just terrible, it was a cheap laugh just showing the schoolboy level of humor TPTB like these days, what ever happened to the smart gags of old? It was also clearly a nod to AT performing on the vagina monologues, which leads me to the next point, aren't in jokes meant to be subtle? Two at least in this ep, blatantly obvious, just :rolleyes: worthy.

I'm sure someone's already said this, but this episode was likely written 7 or 8 months ago, and I'm pretty sure AT probably hadn't even been asked to perform at the event that far in advance.

Could be wrong.

Kracker
February 27th, 2007, 03:13 PM
I enjoyed it. Not the best episode ever sure, but fun enough.

Liked the dig at Sci-Fi network, and Teal'c at the end was great. And for me any Lexa Doig is always welcome, though I do suspect that the "storyline" of her, Landry and the mum/wife might have been either wrapped up earlier or expanded upon if she hadnt been absent with her pregnancy for so long.

7/10

The Great Lord Baal
February 27th, 2007, 03:16 PM
I didnt like the episode apart from tealc at the end and siler at the start

ShardsofGlass
February 27th, 2007, 04:01 PM
Kazan, thanks for the pics, but where are the Mitchell pics?!!!

Conor
February 27th, 2007, 04:22 PM
"Family Ties" had by far and away the funniest ending I have ever seen on SG-1! Just hilarious, I couldn't stop laughing! Just Teal'c sitting in a theater and a woman repeating the word 'vagina' over and over! The look on his face!:tealc: :tealc: :tealc: :tealc:

crompton20
February 27th, 2007, 04:24 PM
an appaling episode, i did not find the ending funny one bit was just ashamed that the show had gone so low really, however the episode did keep up the tradition of one good ep followed by a bad one

also is it me or have tptb decided that all stand alone eps should be funny? the only serious ones we get now are about the ori or baal

Alipeeps
February 27th, 2007, 04:41 PM
An utter waste of an hour of my life. I have never been so bored whilst watching Stargate and if we hadn't have been recording it for a friend I honestly think I would have changed channels. It was just... *meh*. it never really felt like it got going, the plot, such as there was, draaaagged. I didn't find Vala or her father interesting enough to spend the majority of the episode learning (in the grand scheme of things) relatively little about their history. I found him annoying and predictable. Just.. sooooo boring! The Landry/Lam stuff felt utterly random and tacked on (suddenly resurrecting that storyline after not even mentioning it in aaages?). I feel like the p was supposed to be funny but very little in it made me even smile, let alone laugh. I honestly think this was the worst ep os SG1 I've ever seen..

The only things even remotely redeeming about it were:
Siler walking into a door (and later showing up in the infirmary with a broken nose - and I mostly enjoyed that because Dan Shea is a lovely, funny guy and I enjoy seeing him in the show and the running joke of poor Siler always getting the rough end of things)
The poorly disguised and rather pointed dig at SciFi for cancelling the show ("To be honest, the Stargate programme just doesn't get the support that it used to.." "Really? And after everything your programme has done for this network of planets..")
The ending - it did make me smile, I admit... but it also kind felt like a rather juvenile attempt by the writers to see how many times they could fit the word vagina into an episode of SG1.. :S

P.S. Just a point of order here but, whilst Stevearm07 has indeed been posting the same basic opinion repeatedly, which can be a touch annoying (though, to be fair, is no more than many other posters do in such discussion threads, if perhaps a touch more eloquently and expressing their opinions in more depth), he has not actually attacked or insulted any other user in this thread or bashed anyone else's posts - he has simply stated - repeatedly - his opinion that this was a baaaad episode. The only bashing I have seen in this thread is people calling Stevearm07 names and telling him to variously buzz off, frak off etc.

Dr.Mckay
February 27th, 2007, 04:54 PM
Spoiler much?
Use the spoiler thing please... for people who havent seen the episode, please preserve the episodes privacy... jeez

Mitchell82
February 27th, 2007, 04:57 PM
Yeh, I'd say it was 50/50 as well. And I think only a small handful hate it, otherwise the rest just wanted more ori action. I've seen it and thought it was ok/good, worth a watch IMO. And absolutely agree with you, no matter what other people say I would never miss an SG1 ep - never have never will.

And I thought Sam looked great in the opening scene. And it was a dress not a top as someone mentioned.

Thanks for the agreement, though I havent seen it yet will soon, it sounds good for me as I liked Bounty, Talion, and the other side eps and while I wish we had more exposure to the Ori at least we are getting the movie sendoff.

Mitchell82
February 27th, 2007, 05:02 PM
Sounds hilarious but yeah use tags!

esoap524
February 27th, 2007, 05:18 PM
Ok, I have to say this--I have gone out to shopping malls with my girlfriends numerous times for the whole"girl" thing, but never in a dress. And do we always have to see Sam in a low cut dress!! Also, just something totally off track, but has anyone else noticec that lexa doig looks just like Valeri ++++(who played Share') but just thinner and younger.

Maybe because Sam dresses like a guy all the time, she wants to dress in a more feminine manner. Plus, you never know how Vala's gonna dress so Sam may have decided she wanted to look girlier.

Just a suggestion.

Haven't seen the episode yet, dig Vala's leather get up. Thanks for the pics!

Skydiver
February 27th, 2007, 05:19 PM
Ok guys

Rule #1

RESPECT OTHERS - here's a clue. telling people to buzz off is not respect.

Rule #2

Don't feed the trolls. As soon as you do, you are just as guilty as they are. If someone is breaking the rules, report thier posts and move on. if they continue to annoy you, use the ignore feature.

now, the topic is Family Ties. ALL opinions are welcome, but you Cannot and WILL NOT diss each other. You WILL NOT tell each other to buzz off and if people keep doing this, you WILL use the report post feature to report them to the mods.

Mitchell82
February 27th, 2007, 05:32 PM
Ok guys

Rule #1

RESPECT OTHERS - here's a clue. telling people to buzz off is not respect.

Rule #2

Don't feed the trolls. As soon as you do, you are just as guilty as they are. If someone is breaking the rules, report thier posts and move on. if they continue to annoy you, use the ignore feature.

now, the topic is Family Ties. ALL opinions are welcome, but you Cannot and WILL NOT diss each other. You WILL NOT tell each other to buzz off and if people keep doing this, you WILL use the report post feature to report them to the mods.
Skydiver glad to see you coming in here maintaining the peace but this happens alot with newbies in here and IMO needs to stop. I agree with you it needs to stop it gets very disconserting when you come in here and see people trashing each other.

Drakal
February 27th, 2007, 05:36 PM
Did anyone catch the hint that was made in the episode (I'm not sure if this was said in a previous post, I just skimmed through.)

Carter is in her Lab working on find the Naquadria(sp) and mentions the SGC is not getting the proper funding, that the people above just dont see how important that is.

People above being Sci-fi

SGC being SG-1

Cancellation anyone?

I could be stretching it a bit, but it is totally worth another look. Seems Amanda Tapping was Voicing a little stress over SG-1's doom.

Over all it was a cute, ep, sure there were the issues. The Teal'c moment was a little childish, but still it was cute, poor Teal'c.

krak3n
February 27th, 2007, 05:45 PM
The start also ahd a reference to the cancellation, cam said somthin like "oh rally so they cancelled it, I didn't know the new season had started".

But tbh apart from the last scene, very weak episode.

Im honestly thinkin after tonight, maybe it is time SG1 ended.

Skydiver
February 27th, 2007, 05:51 PM
Skydiver glad to see you coming in here maintaining the peace but this happens alot with newbies in here and IMO needs to stop. I agree with you it needs to stop it gets very disconserting when you come in here and see people trashing each other.
that is why y ou report them to the mods and let US handle them. That's what we're here for

Once you engage them, you become just as guilty as they are and honestly are likely doing just what they want

Admiral Mappalazarou
February 27th, 2007, 06:20 PM
that is why y ou report them to the mods and let US handle them. That's what we're here for

Once you engage them, you become just as guilty as they are and honestly are likely doing just what they want

Having said that, it's a forum so people are bound to 'trash' each other...

Alipeeps
February 27th, 2007, 06:33 PM
Having said that, it's a forum so people are bound to 'trash' each other...

But it's a forum with rules, and we all agree to abide by those rules when we create a user account. And the rules say no trashing.

Skydiver
February 27th, 2007, 06:38 PM
But it's a forum with rules, and we all agree to abide by those rules when we create a user account. And the rules say no trashing.
precisely.

and we also have rules about being on topic :)

so let's get back to the episode please

dannster
February 27th, 2007, 07:09 PM
I've not heard anyone mention the new commander of the Odyssey!!! I love the scenes that involve fights with the ships and upon seeing the Odyssey I kinda expected some kind of fire fight!

Instead though we were given an update on how the Odyssey have been improved/upgraded! Shame we couldn't see the ZPM being utilized. What a waste!!!!

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dannster
February 27th, 2007, 07:12 PM
Just to add also that are those weapons new weapons??

Frunk
February 27th, 2007, 07:32 PM
Exactly the same thing as the Lucius episodes, but worst.

A filler ep of this magnitude as the third last episode of SG-1 is a disgrace.

Mitchell82
February 27th, 2007, 07:51 PM
Well just finished watching it and I went into it with low hopes despite myself b/c of some neg reviews. It was a quite enjoyable ep when you view it for what it is. A lighthearted episode dealing with backrounds of 2 major characters. Wasnt sure about Fred Williard but he did a great job. He fit into this role perfectly. I loved all the banter between Vala and Jasic(sp) and really loved how Vala realizes just how important she has become and I always love the little reasurances between her and Daniel. Loved seeing Lam's mother and giving some closure to the tension between Lam and Landry. I wish we had more time to explore that as I really like Lam. I quite enjoyed the schemes that were in play and nice to see we have a cargo ship chock full of weapons grade naquadha. I bet that ship comes into play in Unending. Also I get sick of some people griping at this ep simply b/c it is only 3 eps till Sg-1 is over. If lets say this was the final episode or this ep was far from finiished before it could be changed, neither of which happend then I might be upset. In this case I am not. It was a nice filler ep that resolved character development with Vala and Lam and Landry. I still wish we had more time but als we don't. Loved the ending and the look on Teal'cs face was priceless as was his slipping into his seat and covering his eyes when he realized he was in a Lesbian support group meeting! Overall nice ep 8/10.

ShardsofGlass
February 27th, 2007, 07:59 PM
Is it just me, or has there been like a million eps that are about Vala's character development this season? I'm wondering if we really needed one more.

KayMan2k
February 27th, 2007, 08:12 PM
The poorly disguised and rather pointed dig at SciFi for cancelling the show ("To be honest, the Stargate programme just doesn't get the support that it used to.." "Really? And after everything your programme has done for this network of planets..")


There is a bit more to the scene... here's the transcript and my (however obvious) interpretations.

Jaysic: I don't mind telling ya, I'm a bit dissapointed in this facility. I was expecting more.

< Dissapointed that there is no possibility for the actor to make more guest appearances in the future? - or just dissapointed that this is the third to final SG-1 episode. >

Carter: Well, at times so do we. But the truth is the Stargate program just doesn't get the support it used to from the people in charge.

< The management team at SciFi / NBCUniversal doesn't support the show as much as they used to. - or the 'people in charge' are the viewers and this is a comment about the every declining ratings on SciFi. >

Jaysic: Why not?

Dr. Lee: Eureka! One down, tweleve to go.

< Eureka is a new show on SciFi with excellent ratings, far surpassing SG-1. There are 13 episodes in a season of Eureka (at least so far), so the later part could be referring to the first episode of Eureka airing before this episode, with tweleve episodes left in its season. Otherwise, the numbers are just meaningless. >

Jaysic: That's too bad because after all your Stargate program has accomplished for this network of planets I would think the decision makers would show it the respect it deserves.

< Just take out "of planets" and the not-at-all subtle true message is revealed. Stargate SG-1 has done so much for the SciFi channel, it is (or rather was) the network's flagship show and brought in much greater ratings and interest. I think someone computed that Stargate SG-1/Atlantis made up 20% of all SciFi programming back in the day. >

Carter: ::sigh:: Yeah.

ohnd
February 27th, 2007, 08:53 PM
who is the new commander played by? and dont want to be rude but he doesnt seem fit as the role for a commander, if you know what i mean.

jenks
February 27th, 2007, 09:01 PM
I thought for the most part it was a bit of a waste of time. First three minutes I thought I was watching and alternate universe, Carter has never been a 'girly girl', I thought she seemed to be a bit out of character for the whole episode actually. I think the only thing that saves it is the ending, very funny, just looking at Teal'c's face drop! I didn't think it was out of taste at all, it's not like the word 'vagina' isn't suitable for a family audience...

ForeverSg1
February 27th, 2007, 09:36 PM
I thought for the most part it was a bit of a waste of time. First three minutes I thought I was watching and alternate universe, Carter has never been a 'girly girl', I thought she seemed to be a bit out of character for the whole episode actually. I think the only thing that saves it is the ending, very funny, just looking at Teal'c's face drop! I didn't think it was out of taste at all, it's not like the word 'vagina' isn't suitable for a family audience...

I agree, it's not like it's a dirty slang term... no more than liver, heart or pancreas are. They are all medical terms involving the human anatomy and words that my children would probably just walk past the television without even thinking about it. And if Jack can say penis, Teal'c should be able to hear the word vagina. :D

The thing I found most interesting is the fact that this aired the same week that Amanda will be performing in the monologues in Toronto. Very strange coincidence if she hadn't already agreed to do the play before this episode was filmed.

I'm also rather curious to see if the ending will bleeped out when it's aired in the US.

lunarleviathan
February 27th, 2007, 10:04 PM
Entertaining episode, hilarious ending.

OMG, VAGINA, cover your children's ears!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: How is it bad taste? I wouldn't exactly call SG-1 a family show, not by any stretch of the imagination.

Was great to see Vala without pigtails for a whole episode. Claudia Black looks so amazing with her hair down or in a pony tail. Even the hair rollers look beats out the pigtails! Just say no to pigtails.

More Dr. Lam! Two weeks in a row What's that now, three or four episodes total? It's a shame they never developed her character (It's also a shame Landry didn't get more development also) before the impending end. She wasn't killed though I guess... yet...

Interesting to see the hidden meanings in the dialogue. I have to admit the thought that there was any alternate meaning to those lines never occured to me at the time. Seeing it though, it's pretty blatant, especially the line about the "Stargate program" and "the network".

Xerxus
February 27th, 2007, 10:19 PM
Family show? I'm surprised anyone said that especially after last week's bloody episode.

Congerking
February 27th, 2007, 10:45 PM
I personally thought the ending was hilarious, I laughed for a good 5 minutes. Just the looks on :tealc:'s face was great.

PG15
February 27th, 2007, 10:55 PM
Oh, that was nice. :D

Before I get to the points, let me just describe this one feeling I had half-way through the episode. You know that thought you get in many Stargate shows, something like "how the hell are they going to get out of this one?!"? Well, I have many of those across many episodes, but this time it was different. For once, I thought "how is Vala going to feel at the end of this?" For once, my priorities shifted to the characters more than the plot of the epiosde. For me, that's kinda rare (doesn't mean I don't care about the characters; I do). I think it spoke to me about the qualities of this episode; there was no flashy explosions for the sake of it, no space battles and massive gun fights (ok, there was one, but it was quick); it was about the characters.

Overall, I thought this was a very enjoyable episode; I had thought it would be "bad" after reading some of initial comments here, but for me, it was not even close...uh, not even close to being bad, I mean.

So, the points:

I'll start with Fred Willard. The man's a genius, end of story. Lucius was annoying-funny, he was funny-funny. He had that, genial, fatherly look to him that clashes with the outlandish comedy and scheming. I loved it! How his little manerisms and movements (that little nod at the end with the trader? Brilliant) comes so naturally, and yet was hilarious! I liked how you (well, me) could never quite figure out what side he's on. He's a con artist, sure, but at times I think you can be fooled. In fact, this little quality makes him perfect PERFECT for Vala's father, which brings us to...

Vala; daaaamn, Claudia Black is GOOD! I used to think that a new series shouldn't have any of the old characters, and even though I still think that, having Vala appear wouldn't make me complain, that's for damn sure. I liked her "catharsis" moment, her various little (again) gestures and movements...it's hard to describe, she's got "it", and whatever "it" is, I love...it.

Girl's night out! :D That was lovely; of course, as a young male, seeing the two female leads in such fancy dresses was a treat. ;) But of course, it was just nice seeing the girls together, sharing some moments. Also loved the apparent "school boy/girl divide thing" the team has going; it's cute. :)

Now, Landry's little story was interesting; it wasn't quite as enjoyable as Vala's, but it has been alluded to a lot in the past. I liked it, and seeing Dr. Lam (and where she got her genes from; yowza ;)) again was always nice. Landry was pretty funny at the end, running off to the dinner. :D

Oh yeah, and a big "HELL. YEAH" to Paul and Joe for slipping those references to SciFi in; the only other show that had the guts to do that, as far as I know, is Arrested Development, and I loved that show. You know what SciFi? Stargate is bigger than you; deal with it.

Finally, we have the ending. :D I never thought I would hear *that* word in Stargate, but as it's the last light-hearted episode, I guess they decided to go all out; poor Teal'c, but, he suffered for our enjoyment, so it's all good. :D

Anyway, an overall enjoyable episode; I'll give it...

8.5/10

ARMS
February 27th, 2007, 10:58 PM
a poor episode in my opinion.

Buzz Lightyear
February 27th, 2007, 10:59 PM
I personally thought the ending was hilarious, I laughed for a good 5 minutes. Just the looks on :tealc:'s face was great.
Me too. The earlier mention of "Virginia Dialogue" just went over my head. :cool:

For a comedic adversary in the SG universe, Vala's father is a far better character than SGA's Lucius Lavin. If SG-1 had been renewed, I fully expect Jasek would have been a recurring character.

However, it's too bad that yet another of the final few episodes of SG-1 is light fluff, rather than being used to build to an epic conclusion.

Stef
February 27th, 2007, 11:48 PM
Okay, so this episode was funny...but not nearly as enjoyable or satisfying as the last two (say what you will about "Bad Guys" and "Bounty" but I liked both).

Like people have mentioned, the storyline was a bit weak....but what it lacked in plot and depth, it made up for in character interactions and the comedic beats.

The Sam/Vala scenes were LONG overdue, so it was nice to see them acually bonding and, shocker, acting like women! I thought it was cute that all of the guys (Cam included) were staring and falling over themselves when the they entered.

I also enjoyed the Vala/Landry scenes (more than the Landry/Lam scenes). I like that they've developed their relationship, showing that it's more than just a boss/employee relationship...they've had some cute little scenes over the past season.

Overall, I just really enjoyed Vala's interactions with everyone. This is what people want. Yes, I ship (see my signature), but I like seeing the team dynamics as well. Oh, and the Cam/Daniel beats were cute too. These two don't get enough scenes together.

And, obviously, LOVED the final bit with Teal'c. I knew what was coming but I still laughed pretty hard. I loved how his face switched from this grand smile to an increasing look of terror.

I didn't even mind Vala's dad all that much. His schemes were pretty funny. What was that first one? Something about "Pepito"? Then, of course, cheating the Bingo ladies.

Overall, I'd probably give it a 6/10

Chaka's_Mum
February 27th, 2007, 11:58 PM
I thought this one was a bit of a curate's egg - good in parts.

Given the complexity of Vala's character, I guess it was perhaps inevitable that we would have a 'complicated childhood with largely absent dad being resolved' scenario - and that Dr Lam would be 'resurrected' for the same thing with Landry. Shades of 'Seth' there - one person dealing with their issues so that they can advise someone else to deal with their similar ones.

I'm not surprised that some folks hated this one - it was a lightweight episode; and, despite the references to Arkad and his plot from last week, it didn't really have much to offer the main story arc.

Have to say that some of it seemed terribly tired and 'done before'. After all, how many other shows have had a 'wayward dad comes back into main character's life and much soul searching ensues as main character tries to decide whether to trust him again' plots? Fortunately Fred Willard carried it off well, and CB was excellent, which prevented it falling into cliché. And we can be grateful that there was no mushiness at the end with Dad heading off into the sunset reformed and forgiven. He headed off into the sunset just as bad as he always was - but with a spot of understanding between him and Vala.

Loved the 'girlie thing' with all the shopping bags and stuff - how did they get their Victoria's Secret bits and bobs through security? Was there a bag search? Who went the most :o ?

Nice bit of 'thinking on one's feet' by Jacek when his weapons grade naquadah turned out to be lead ingots bulked out with polystyrene slugs (which look remarkably like wotsits, I note!). Well done to the actor who played the trader for being prepared to actually 'eat' one!

As for Teal'c's visit to The Vagina Monologues - classic! It really is something that could only happen to Teal'c. Despite all his time on Earth, there are still things that can catch him out. Excellent - and it made up for some of the duller bits earlier in the ep.:D

Maybe our pals Stateside will report on whether that scene makes it into the US broadcast?;)

macktheknife
February 28th, 2007, 12:30 AM
almost pointless episode (especially at such a late stage of the shows run), marginally saved by some vala backstory.

b story (landry) was utterly, utterly useless. Served no purpose, added nothing to the show.

Why is the ending supposed to be funny...

"omg tealc went to see vagina monologues omghahahah"... no. not funny.

1/10.

pbellosom
February 28th, 2007, 12:41 AM
I thought that episode was awful. I liked Bounty and Bad Guys but these last two have been really, really bad. This is not what we should be getting three epiosodes before the end and they can't even use the excuse that they were not aware they'd been cancelled yet. Teal'c's scene at the end and Kacek with the "Virility enhancers" were the only good bits in the whole episode.

Incidently it was so obvious that Jacek was lieing about the override code and his not wanting Vala to be killed if he made a mistake, It's a naquadah bomb (supposedly) and she's standing right outside the ship. She'd get caught in the blast.

Alipeeps
February 28th, 2007, 01:11 AM
Loved the ending and the look on Teal'cs face was priceless as was his slipping into his seat and covering his eyes when he realized he was in a Lesbian support group meeting! Overall nice ep 8/10.

Uhhh... the Vagina Monologues is not a "Lesbian support group meeting!"


The Vagina Monologues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vagina_Monologues) is an Obie Award-winning episodic play written by Eve Ensler which ran at the off-Broadway Westside Theatre after a limited run at HERE Arts Center in 1996. Ensler originally starred in the production, playing all the various women who share their views about their vaginas with the audience. The production has been staged internationally, and a television version featuring Ensler was produced by cable TV channel HBO. The Vagina Monologues is made up of a varying number of monologues read by a varying number of women (initially, Eve Ensler performed every monologue herself, with subsequent performances featuring three actresses, and more recent versions featuring a different actress for every role).

<snip>



OMG, VAGINA, cover your children's ears!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: How is it bad taste? I wouldn't exactly call SG-1 a family show, not by any stretch of the imagination.



Family show? I'm surprised anyone said that especially after last week's bloody episode.

Took the words out of my mouth Xerxus! :D

<snip>

sgeureka
February 28th, 2007, 01:41 AM
(Writing this before I've read anybody else's opinion.)

So, that was the episode that was written after the cancelation announcement. Nice way to give a proper send-off to Siler... and his nose.

While the plot was rather random and unnecessary for the third-to-last SG-1 episode ever, I've found myself mildly enjoying this episode, although I won't rewatch it again in the near future. I've never seen Fred Willard anywhere, but he was indeed perfect for the role. He had some Urgo vibes, but Jacek was less distracting. Still, you knew you shouldn't trust him. Nice tie-in of Landry's personal life - not too little, not too much.

I liked to see Vala's Avalon outfit again (looks really good on her IMO), and that cool curved tree (really, it stole the scene).

But there is one thing that I found more irritating than anything else in this ep: Carter & Mitchell in blue BDUs on one side of the table, and Daniel & Vala in green BDUs on the other side. In two scenes that played several days apart! And I can't remember ever paying attention to BDU's. Bad costume decision when you use two camera set-ups for the table sides. Or, if this was done on purpose to set up D&V, then it was so obvious that I feel like they insulted my intelligence. (LOL.)

Finally, what was that end? :D That was so random... And I don't get it... I'm still grinning in disbelief because Teal'c's reaction was just like mine. Huh, they would do something like that?!?!? :D LOL.

6.5/10 - weak plot that (apart from a look into Vala) didn't further the much needed Ori arc, but very well acted, with some really funny scenes

Stargater
February 28th, 2007, 01:45 AM
Personally, being one who actually knows of the actor who played Vala's dad, I thought it was awesome he was in an episode.

Made me want to watch Best in Show lol.

And the part you didn't get at the end, was that the "show" teal'c got tickets to was the popular american play "the vagina monologues"

Commander Ivanova
February 28th, 2007, 02:12 AM
And the part you didn't get at the end, was that the "show" teal'c got tickets to was the popular american play "the vagina monologues"

(Which Amanda Tapping has appeared in recently or is soon to appear in, I believe.)

Didn't like this episode.

1 - I just don't give a monkey's about Lam/Landry or Vala/Jacek and at this late stage in the game TPTB can't MAKE me care.

2 - The less-than-subtle digs about the cancellation of the show (made by Cam to Siler and between Sam and Jacek) stood out from the script like a sore thumb.

3 - How come Jacek gets to live off-base within the first 3 weeks of arriving on Earth when it took Teal'c years to get approval and Vala still seems to live on base? A minor point, but annoying.

At times I found myself wishing the ep was over so I could get on and do something else. Let's hope the last 2 eps make up for this utter load of tosh.

On the plus side, I liked Sam's dress.

Popeston
February 28th, 2007, 02:22 AM
What was that?
Really? I mean, since the Ori have gotten backup all we've done is hassle the Lucien alliance, go to museums, have fun at school reunions and kill a Jaffa.
You really should prioritise things SGC!
I'm all for non Ori based episodes and all but maaaaaaaan...

In other news, Fred Willard is a genius man.
"Stardust! Tap into the source!"
But as much as I appreciate his genius it wasn't right in Stargate.
And the whole conclusion to Arkads plot seemed tacked on.
The Landry bit I didn't care about.
I recognise the fact that SG-1 is canceled means they need to wrap up stuff quickly and all but really now.

Then again the whole Teal'c ending ruled and did I mention Fred Willard?!
He rules.
I guess that is enough to salvage the episode for me.
Also, Hawaiian shirts.

Commander Ivanova
February 28th, 2007, 02:37 AM
Nice bit of 'thinking on one's feet' by Jacek when his weapons grade naquadah turned out to be lead ingots bulked out with polystyrene slugs (which look remarkably like wotsits, I note!). Well done to the actor who played the trader for being prepared to actually 'eat' one!


My office supplies firm uses similar packaging which is actually made out of corn (a bit like Wotsits but chewier). Point being that it's biodegradable and you can eat it if you really want. Tho' as Croc Dundee said it tastes like sh*te.

thewatcher
February 28th, 2007, 02:46 AM
and that cool curved tree (really, that dominated the scene).
It stole the scene;) . I thought it was an elephant's tusk for a moment, then wondered if they'd wandered off-world.
Fred Willard was good, it's just a shame the character he played was another predictable con man (why do the writers like that plot device so much?)

MechaThor
February 28th, 2007, 02:58 AM
I actually liked Jason and thought this was a greta episode.

Jason was very funny like the Stardust advert and the comments he was saying to the old ladies after playin bingo! Lol classic stuff.

Also the ending was the best ending of stargate ever.loved the look on his face. however it would have been better if he actually started laughing out load and enjoying it lol.

I say it was a gd comic episode which ties up a few loose ends.

6/10


It stole the scene;) . I thought it was an elephant's tusk for a moment, then wondered if they'd wandered off-world.
Fred Willard was good, it's just a shame the character he played was another predictable con man (why do the writers like that plot device so much?)

LOL i thought it was an elephants tusk aswell.

sgeureka
February 28th, 2007, 03:12 AM
I just read through the whole thread and found some answers to my questions [so I don't have to ask them again]. Further comments...


Teal'c's final scene was just terrible <snip> It was also clearly a nod to AT performing on the vagina monologues, which leads me to the next point, aren't in jokes meant to be subtle? Two at least in this ep, blatantly obvious, just :rolleyes: worthy. I didn't know that. Just because the more die-hard SG-1 fans know what the SG-1 actors do in their spare time doesn't mean that the less-in-the-know fans (not to mention the random viewer) would. This in-joke along with the network-budget in-joke was subtle, because even I didn't get/notice it before I came here. :)


The poorly disguised and rather pointed dig at SciFi for cancelling the show ("To be honest, the Stargate programme just doesn't get the support that it used to.." "Really? And after everything your programme has done for this network of planets..") As I said, I didn't even notice this sentence. Who said it, and when was it said? Oh, wait - just found it, in the "you're a jerk"-scene with Carter, Jacek and Dr. Lee. But I honestly interpreted this mention as a nice way to refer to the budget cuts in "The Ties that Bind" (I just rewatched the episode yesterday/today), and that TPTB haven't forgot about that. :o (Thanks also for the further explanations, KayMan2k, I just got to your post now.)


I'm also rather curious to see if the ending will bleeped out when it's aired in the US.Possibly. I just wondered how the last scene will be dubbed into different languages. The German pronunction of "vagina" sound very awkward (like a jaw-breaker and pretty silly) when said several times consecutively.


Is it just me, or has there been like a million eps that are about Vala's character development this season? I'm wondering if we really needed one more.Like what? Only Memento Mori and maybe Bounty come to mind. That's not to say that Vala hasn't got the most character development of all the main characters. But that's because she had to have that to finally fit into SG-1 (the team). The others were already more or less perfect (compared to Vala) to start with.


3 - How come Jacek gets to live off-base within the first 3 weeks of arriving on Earth when it took Teal'c years to get approval and Vala still seems to live on base? A minor point, but annoying.Because Teal'c had little Junior in him? But you're right; probably for comedic effect. But I wouldn't have noticed this discrepancy if you hadn't mentioned it.

silence
February 28th, 2007, 03:23 AM
pretty crappy ep ... Vala (CB) did her best, but with crap like this, there isn't much she could do ..

ANOTHER "funny" ep by M&M (2 in SGA, 1 in SG-1) ... all having fat ugly guy doing something bad and .... arghhh ... this crap reminded me of "Irr.." eps of SGA and that is NOT good thing.

Only funny thing was ending ...

HyperCaz
February 28th, 2007, 03:26 AM
I was oddly reminded of Irrestible, and I think that had something to do with a pointless annoying character lol...I screamed with laughter at the end. But that was perhaps the only saving grace...oh and the friendship between the girls. Definitely needed that. I was kinda hoping for Danny to come in at the end there... *sigh* well I got enough of that to get by on.

...rating? how could I possibly rate this? lmao...awful...and somehow I get the bizarre feeling that Siler and Walter are taking over the show.

LOL to Siler hitting his nose...LOL LOL...

Siler/Vala or Siler/Sam??

Tanith
February 28th, 2007, 03:53 AM
I really dont get some people's problem with the end. The Vagina Monologues is a well known show so why is it that Stargate can't reference it? It's not like they made it up just to say vagina a lot.

I loved that they had Teal'c go to see it and his reaction was classic. Even after 10 years on Earth he can still be surprised (and mortified) by our culture.

Loredana
February 28th, 2007, 04:13 AM
I liked the episode, it was funny... and unlike most of the other posters the only thing I'll whine about is that my favorite show of all times is really ending :(... just 2 more and... that's it...

(I know they making the films/movies, but I like better 15 hours of SG-1 in 45 minutes weekly dose...)

Reply add-on... I forgot to say that I read a lot of the posts, not all, but they hardly mention Cam and the screen captures show no image of him, but Cam is playing in this episode... no major part, but he is there, yay!

LadyWolfie
February 28th, 2007, 04:39 AM
pretty crappy ep ... Vala (CB) did her best, but with crap like this, there isn't much she could do ..

ANOTHER "funny" ep by M&M (2 in SGA, 1 in SG-1) ... all having fat ugly guy doing something bad and .... arghhh ... this crap reminded me of "Irr.." eps of SGA and that is NOT good thing.

Only funny thing was ending ...

i agree, it gave a sense that it was trying to be funny but this episode just didn't cut it, the ending the good though.

so overall i didn't much care for this episode, i like vala and i don't mind finding out about her but why can't they do it like MEMENTO MORI instead.

4.5/10

sgeureka
February 28th, 2007, 05:05 AM
There is a bit more to the scene... here's the transcript and my (however obvious) interpretations.

Jaysic: I don't mind telling ya, I'm a bit dissapointed in this facility. I was expecting more.

< Dissapointed that there is no possibility for the actor to make more guest appearances in the future? - or just dissapointed that this is the third to final SG-1 episode. >

Carter: Well, at times so do we. But the truth is the Stargate program just doesn't get the support it used to from the people in charge.

< The management team at SciFi / NBCUniversal doesn't support the show as much as they used to. - or the 'people in charge' are the viewers and this is a comment about the every declining ratings on SciFi. >

Jaysic: Why not?

Dr. Lee: Eureka! One down, tweleve to go.

< Eureka is a new show on SciFi with excellent ratings, far surpassing SG-1. There are 13 episodes in a season of Eureka (at least so far), so the later part could be referring to the first episode of Eureka airing before this episode, with tweleve episodes left in its season. Otherwise, the numbers are just meaningless. >

Jaysic: That's too bad because after all your Stargate program has accomplished for this network of planets I would think the decision makers would show it the respect it deserves.

< Just take out "of planets" and the not-at-all subtle true message is revealed. Stargate SG-1 has done so much for the SciFi channel, it is (or rather was) the network's flagship show and brought in much greater ratings and interest. I think someone computed that Stargate SG-1/Atlantis made up 20% of all SciFi programming back in the day. >

Carter: ::sigh:: Yeah.I think even the beginning of that scene can be interpreted in this way.

(Jacek=SciFi, Dr. Lee=the writer-producers like JM)

J: So, you cast too wide a variance (went for too many episodes). If you just narrow the parameters (do less episodes because of cancellation)...
L: Narrow the parameters. That's genius(!)
J: I don't know about genius. It's just... marginially brilliant!
L: Now if I can figure out how to sync it up (we now have to tell the next 20+3 episodes in 3 *lordy*)...
J: I'm sure it will come to you.

(switch to Jacek=Fans, Sam=writer-producers and read KayMan2k's transcript/interpretation above)

petemoretti
February 28th, 2007, 05:06 AM
Is Sam drinking on the job in this ep?
Where's that Airforce consultant when you need him ?

nIckEl101
February 28th, 2007, 05:07 AM
i thing that crosse my mind was, wasn't Vala a gouald host? if so how long was she a host for?

i though most hosts lived a couple of hundred years, in which case here dad would be dead.......

Skydiver
February 28th, 2007, 05:16 AM
For what i hope to be the last time, the topic is Family TIes

It is not what you think about the mods, nor is it what you think about other fans. It is the episode.

So let's TRY to keep this thread on topic

Alipeeps
February 28th, 2007, 05:30 AM
i agree, it gave a sense that it was trying to be funny but this episode just didn't cut it, the ending the good though.

so overall i didn't much care for this episode, i like vala and i don't mind finding out about her but why can't they do it like MEMENTO MORI instead.

4.5/10

Good point - see Momento Mori I loved... that was a really good episode that delivered character development for Vala along with a truly engaging plot.

Family Ties... not so much...

Shirt'n'Tie
February 28th, 2007, 05:35 AM
Hi Everyone,

I echo all of the above comments. Particularly the dig at the Sci Fi network!! Nice One! Take a look at AT's face as she delivers "that" line! Priceless. Bit of a lost opportunity this episode, I can only assume that this slot was saved for some story arc to lead into a Season 11, and when cancelled, the re-writes began...leading to a "plug the hole" episode. It was a bit all over the place and yes the budget was cut (tacky apartment for Jasec or what?)
But over all it developed Vala a bit,... agree that her 2-D Dad was annoying, let's hope he doesn't appear in the movies (oh no the horror!)
Any road, 2 left, let's make'em count! And for those going to London.....See ya there!

S'n'T

sgeureka
February 28th, 2007, 05:40 AM
Is Sam drinking on the job in this ep?
Where's that Airforce consultant when you need him ?Well, Carter said that Mitchell had a date and Daniel was exhausted, implying that it was the end of the day and that she just hasn't changed into civilian clothes. She's also known for working into the night in her freetime, so she wouldn't change her clothes until she finally goes home at 2am.

I don't know whether there is a rule that says you can't drink alcohol in your airforce uniform.

petemoretti
February 28th, 2007, 05:47 AM
Well, Carter said that Mitchell had a date and Daniel was exhausted, implying that it was the end of the day and that she just hasn't changed into civilian clothes. She's also known for working into the night in her freetime, so she wouldn't change her clothes until she finally goes home at 2am.

I don't know whether there is a rule that says you can't drink alcohol in your airforce uniform.

She was still on base ?
'Cause I don't think that's allowed no matter how late she works !

Alipeeps
February 28th, 2007, 05:53 AM
She was still on base ?
'Cause I don't think that's allowed no matter how late she works !

Hmmm.. kind of an unusual situation there though given that people - especially "aliens" like Vala - actually live on the base... and being in Vala's room she was effectively in Vala's private living quarters... which just happen to be on the base.

Quinn Mallory
February 28th, 2007, 05:54 AM
I would have thought this would be the type of episodes that all the people who preaches "character developments" would want to see but I may be wrong about that. I thought the dig about Stargate being underappreciated by "the network of planets" was amusing. The Vagina Monologue thing was also somewhat memorable just to put Teal'c at a very feminine place.

Overall the storyline was a bit weak but I thought the little things make it okay. They do need to sort of tie up the Landry/Lam situation, I guess.

Pitry
February 28th, 2007, 06:13 AM
QWell, I've seen worse. It actually was funny and entertaining, if nothing else. But why when they're perssed for time and with only two episodes to go? What's the point? Or did they want to make sure the show continues with the movies so they decided deliberately not to resolve the Orii storyline... - I officialy don't get it. Between Bounty, Bad Guys, Talion and now Family Ties, I compeltely fail to see why the Shroud wasn't the original 3 episodes they planned, they're obviously just waiting for the season to be over....

That been said, I'll just repeat the parts everyone else mentioned:
-The cancellation jokes. Hilarious!
-Sam and Vala's irls day-out/ night-out. It's stuff liek this that are really nice to see.
-Teal'c. The alst scene obviously, but also the "be less annoying" bit to Vala's father.

Pitry
February 28th, 2007, 06:21 AM
Dr. Lee: Eureka! One down, tweleve to go.

< Eureka is a new show on SciFi with excellent ratings, far surpassing SG-1. There are 13 episodes in a season of Eureka (at least so far), so the later part could be referring to the first episode of Eureka airing before this episode, with tweleve episodes left in its season. Otherwise, the numbers are just meaningless. >


LoL, I didn't think of that one. :)

sgeureka
February 28th, 2007, 06:21 AM
Hmmm.. kind of an unusual situation there though given that people - especially "aliens" like Vala - actually live on the base... and being in Vala's room she was effectively in Vala's private living quarters... which just happen to be on the base.Plus we had Mitchell and Daniel drinking/having beer at the end of "Ethon" in Daniel's office, with Mitchell in his regular off-base clothes, Daniel working into the night. There was also a carafe with a red watery liquid (wine?) on the table in the fat Goa'uld's quarters in "Beachhead". I think in the Stargate universe, there isn't a very strict rule against drinking alcohol in your off-time (and neither is it encouraging it).

Linzi
February 28th, 2007, 06:23 AM
Well, the dig at Skiffy was good, as was poor Siler getting hurt - AGAIN! :lol:
The rest wasn't my cup of tea, but I'm not a big Vala fan.
The end had me in stitches though. I tittered like a 12-year old. For some strange reason, I never thought I'd hear the word 'vagina' used repeatedly on SG1. I'm still shaking my head now, and laughing! Poor Teal'c!!! :)

Landers
February 28th, 2007, 06:31 AM
While I like Landry, I can't stand Lam, so those scenes were useless to me. Some parts were funny, some fell flat. I'd rather see more background on Cam than Vala, but that's just me. I'm sure if the writers had earlier knowledge of SG1's demise they would have cut this episode in favor of something to help wrap up the show, but I don't think they had time.

I'd give it a grade of C.

HVYFKNMTL
February 28th, 2007, 06:43 AM
not the best...but at this end of most of the seasons they've had "filler" shows...so they had more money to spend on the cliffhangers...i'd prefer an episode like this over a senator kinsey clip show anyday...

Vala_M
February 28th, 2007, 06:54 AM
But there is one thing that I found more irritating than anything else in this ep: Carter & Mitchell in blue BDUs on one side of the table, and Daniel & Vala in green BDUs on the other side. In two scenes that played several days apart! And I can't remember ever paying attention to BDU's. Bad costume decision when you use two camera set-ups for the table sides. Or, if this was done on purpose to set up D&V, then it was so obvious that I feel like they insulted my intelligence. (LOL.)


There is no real uniformity with the wearing of the blue and green BDU's. It seems to be a "wear what color you want today" kind of thing. I think only once in the history of the show, has all of SG-1 worn the same color at the same time, I think it was in "Urgo" when the team was in security isolation. Other than that, I can't think of any other times when they all wore the same color at the same time.


3 - How come Jacek gets to live off-base within the first 3 weeks of arriving on Earth when it took Teal'c years to get approval and Vala still seems to live on base? A minor point, but annoying.

Probably because he's a regular human and probably because of how one deals with caution at first with new things and people (Teal'c) and then later on, they realized it was no big deal for aliens, esp. regular humans to live off base I think.

Vala,

pbellosom
February 28th, 2007, 07:05 AM
not the best...but at this end of most of the seasons they've had "filler" shows...so they had more money to spend on the cliffhangers...i'd prefer an episode like this over a senator kinsey clip show anyday...

You just made me realise. There's no clip show this season! I don't think this has happened since season 3(?).

talyn2k1
February 28th, 2007, 07:12 AM
There is no real uniformity with the wearing of the blue and green BDU's. It seems to be a "wear what color you want today" kind of thing. I think only once in the history of the show, has all of SG-1 worn the same color at the same time, I think it was in "Urgo" when the team was in security isolation. Other than that, I can't think of any other times when they all wore the same color at the same time.



Probably because he's a regular human and probably because of how one deals with caution at first with new things and people (Teal'c) and then later on, they realized it was no big deal for aliens, esp. regular humans to live off base I think.

Vala,

Plus the SGC isn't a hotel.

Teal'c stayed on base because he worked there, Jacek did not and having him actually on base would probably be more trouble than its worth given his reputation.
Plus I don't think Teal'c was really bothered about living off-base until 'Affinity' when he tried it and if I recall correctly he came back to live on the base again - might be wrong on that one.

That and what Vala_M said :D

dec55
February 28th, 2007, 07:16 AM
Wooohooo....Lam's back!!! Thanks for the pictures!! Lexa looks soooo gorgeous!
It is good to hear Lam and her dad and mom have come closer. Hope they are invovlved in the movies and new series. (I am hoping something like Stargate CSI! With Lam in charge!)

Can't wait till the episode comes here to the US!!!

Loredana
February 28th, 2007, 07:31 AM
Wooohooo....Lam's back!!!

I am with you here... I love this woman since Andromeda, she is a living doll!

The Ori
February 28th, 2007, 08:15 AM
Gonna watch it now!

g.o.d
February 28th, 2007, 08:27 AM
very boring episode:mad: :mad:

Vala should have told his father that she has a daughter.It would be interesting to see his reaction when he is told that his granddaughter is leading the Ori army.Unfortunately it didn't happen:(


Vala's father wasn't as annoying as that idi** Lucius in SGA:)

I hate those filler episodes:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

kirmit
February 28th, 2007, 08:38 AM
I'm a massive sg-1 and season 10 fan but I just really didn't like this episode, it was extremely boring. It would've been so much better if the attacks were the main plot and the vala/landry stories were subplots but we had it the other way round. I liked perhaps one part of this episode and that was teal'c at the end, haven't laughed like that at sg-1 in a while but it doesn't make up for the rest of the episode unfortunately. 3 episodes of sg-1 ever left and they give us something like this, it's very disappointing imo.

Ugly Pig
February 28th, 2007, 08:57 AM
You just made me realise. There's no clip show this season! I don't think this has happened since season 3(?).

Seasons 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10 didn't have clip shows.

Elite Anubis Guard
February 28th, 2007, 09:24 AM
Citizen Joe isn't really a clip-show. It only had like one.

Pitry
February 28th, 2007, 10:39 AM
Citizen Joe isn't really a clip-show. It only had like one.

No, it had several...


Seasons 3, 4, 5, 9 and 10 didn't have clip shows.

Yup - the ones they had money! :)
But TBH, I think they proved with Letters from Pegasus/ Citizen Joe that they might actualyl be able to pull off great stuff from clip shows - hell, LFP is one of my favuorite s1 episode.... so the're not all bad.

Gwin
February 28th, 2007, 10:41 AM
I'm in a way suprised that I liked this ep. What I heard from a friend sounded...äh...not so good.
But I enjoyed it very much, even the bits with Valas father ( I liked the idea more that Vala was host for a long time, that has much more potential).
The only part I didn't like was the whole Lam/Landry thing, but only because of Dr. Lam, I can't stand her. Luckily it was short enough.
Daniel and Mitchell hadn't much to do, but they looked great (especially in leather). Sometimes that is enough. :D
Hope it was Amy Cam was dating, but I have no doubt about that. :D

Oh...and the end scene... I laughed so hard, I cried. Now I'm really curious if they show that in the USA.

BPC
February 28th, 2007, 10:55 AM
Is Sam drinking on the job in this ep?
Where's that Airforce consultant when you need him ?

Same question applies to Mitchell and Daniel back in the S9 episode when Mitchell brought Daniel beers in his lab and they were both in uniforms (the episodes from Season 9 were so unmemorable I can't recall the name of this one, or most any of the others for that matter). Now, the question about the AF consultant is the multi-zillion dollar question - he/she is probably still locked in the supply closet where the people in charge put her/him a few seasons ago.

Promethius30
February 28th, 2007, 11:04 AM
The best thing about this was sylers nose and teal'c at the end thats it

saberhagen83
February 28th, 2007, 11:20 AM
Another waste of a episode! I think the only thing that came out funny at all was the end with Teal'c. Last week was a pretty good ep with Teal'c, even though I never have really enjoyed Teal'c centered episodes that was a pretty good one. Now this one I almost just turned it off. It was just very boring and didn't hold my interest at all. I think Vala's dad (whatever his name was?) was just as horrible and annoying of a character as Lucius on SGA, perhaps worse actually!

Well it's episodes such as this that has already made up my mind of not buying the boxset next year. It had potential to go out on a (decent) high with some solid eps at the start of the 2nd half, but unfortently bad eps like this overshadows what little good has come out of this season...:(

jenks
February 28th, 2007, 11:24 AM
You just made me realise. There's no clip show this season! I don't think this has happened since season 3(?).

Unending might be a clip show...

Elite Anubis Guard
February 28th, 2007, 11:35 AM
Unending might be a clip show...

No. They wouldn't slap us in the face like that.

stewsith
February 28th, 2007, 11:39 AM
Not a great episode, perhaps one of the worst. it shows how much sg1 has changed over the years. The last scene with teal'c going to see...(dont want to spoil it because its too funny). Thing is as soon as she said were tealc went i guesed what he was going to see.

the dancer of spaz
February 28th, 2007, 11:58 AM
In the beginning as the gals are walking down the hall, Cameron says to Siler, "They cancelled it, really? I didn't even know a new season had started."


So the miniscule amount of skeptism I had regarding the other so-called dig has completely melted away. Heh.


Oh, and if they cut the "vagina" bit (which would probably require them cutting Teal'c's scene altogether), that'll be so lame.

jenks
February 28th, 2007, 12:03 PM
No. They wouldn't slap us in the face like that.

I wouldn't consider it a slap in the face, and I really don't think it's that unlikely that it will be a clip show...

rnwhocares
February 28th, 2007, 12:04 PM
Wooohooo....Lam's back!!! Thanks for the pictures!! Lexa looks soooo gorgeous!
It is good to hear Lam and her dad and mom have come closer. Hope they are invovlved in the movies and new series. (I am hoping something like Stargate CSI! With Lam in charge!)

Can't wait till the episode comes here to the US!!!
)Oh GOD I hope NOT!!! Can't stand that monotone voice of hers:(

Elite Anubis Guard
February 28th, 2007, 12:06 PM
I wouldn't consider it a slap in the face, and I really don't think it's that unlikely that it will be a clip show...

You wouldn't consider a clip show being the SERIES FINALE, a slap in the face?

Hypochondriac
February 28th, 2007, 12:26 PM
Poor Teal'c
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Elite Anubis Guard
February 28th, 2007, 12:47 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=InHmYt0zOuo

sgeureka
February 28th, 2007, 12:52 PM
There is no real uniformity with the wearing of the blue and green BDU's. It seems to be a "wear what color you want today" kind of thing. I think only once in the history of the show, has all of SG-1 worn the same color at the same time, I think it was in "Urgo" when the team was in security isolation. Other than that, I can't think of any other times when they all wore the same color at the same time.What annoyed me wasn't that they used different colors, but that this scene cut between two parties: D&V in green, and Carter&Mitchell in blue. It's like you're doing a scene with two people and two cameras: one camera films one person in best summer sunshine, and the other one has got snow flakes falling in the background. It's very irritating.

And IIRC, they didn't start with the different team members wearing different colors (at the same time) until S6 or something. They did this very much in S9 when they (maybe) tried to keep the sometimes similarly looking BB and MS apart.
_____

Anyway, I've been trying to do something creative with the last 1.5 scenes and dubbed them with dialogue snippets from PDL, Gary Jones and their potty humor from a DVD commentary. (Teal'c's reaction is sooooo fitting.) See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE4wWCdQpJg (although yt is a little slow for me ATM)

Note before this gets reported (again): The audio is not the original for the majority of the video, so technically it isn't much different than a music vid. It's also less than one minute long. And as the commentary was from a DVD that had the German "ages 12+" sign, someone must have thought that PDL's and GJ's dialogue was PG. If you hate them and their humor, don't watch it. And don't take it out on me. :)

Edit: And it's by pure chance that the post before has the exact same scene sequence, just with the original audio.

Elite Anubis Guard
February 28th, 2007, 01:09 PM
Lol, that was awesome. Have some green.

g.o.d
February 28th, 2007, 01:49 PM
what was that in the end??a cinema or what??:confused: :confused:

Elite Anubis Guard
February 28th, 2007, 02:00 PM
Teal'c accidently got given tickets to something called The Vagina Monologues.

Integrabyte
February 28th, 2007, 02:07 PM
I think SG1 producers do not really care anymore about writing good episodes. Good or bad episodes will not change the fact that SG1 will be no more. I am not really aware of everything between SciFi and SG1 so some post were a bit intriguing. On that note, i saw again the last "crappy" episodes and i noticed a very ignorant attitude and blatant insinuations. Family Ties was another episode showing that ratings and yadda yadda yadda are not important anymore. The show will not go on. They will rush the end just to get rid of all the criticism we , the fans, expressed.


The FILMS will probably suck compared to the original SG film. Very seldom one manages to continue a storyline with success.

Jeffer
February 28th, 2007, 03:03 PM
i liked the ep at the end with Teal'c genius.:jack_new_anime07: :samanime24:


and i am glad we got back story with Vala and Landry

Because i am sure that if we didn't there would be ppl (when SG-1 is done) that would say we should have got more incite into Vala's life and Landry they needed do develop them more

Not every ep can be an ark ep. I mean come on that would get so boring so fast. Then everyone would be we need more stand alone eps.

I say well done to TPTB for this and all the other stand alone eps good or bad.

:indeed:

Gwin
February 28th, 2007, 03:07 PM
@ Integrabyte

Its one thing to criticise, another thing to be polemic.
Its one thing to say that you don't like the show anymore or the epsiode, whatever, another thing to blame a whole bunch of people that they do it on purpose, because they don't care anymore.

Statements like yours would be a reason not to care anymore. Stop watching the show when you feel personal offended by TPTB.

Ugly Pig
February 28th, 2007, 03:37 PM
I think SG1 producers do not really care anymore about writing good episodes.

No offense, really, but that is an absurd line of thinking. Nobody writes a bad episode intentionally. Of course they care about writing the best episode they can, it's in their own best interest. However, 1) things do not always go according to plan, and 2) the writers and the viewers don't necessarily have the same idea of what constitutes a "good" episode.

Personally, I thought 'Family Ties' falls into the meh category. Having said that, the final scene alone is worth the watch. :D

geewillie86
February 28th, 2007, 04:01 PM
I guess I am among a minority here because I loved this episode.

Of course, the ending was beyond great, but the packing peanuts as virility enhancers gag had me laughing pretty hard too.

Did anyone else find it oddly amusing that Vala's dad managed to fit into the earth con man mold so quickly?

stevearm07
February 28th, 2007, 04:36 PM
No offense, really, but that is an absurd line of thinking. Nobody writes a bad episode intentionally. Of course they care about writing the best episode they can, it's in their own best interest. However, 1) things do not always go according to plan, and 2) the writers and the viewers don't necessarily have the same idea of what constitutes a "good" episode.

Personally, I thought 'Family Ties' falls into the meh category. Having said that, the final scene alone is worth the watch. :D


I actually agree, I think the writers are beyond caring about the show now. Or rather, they were during most of season 10.

jenks
February 28th, 2007, 04:57 PM
You wouldn't consider a clip show being the SERIES FINALE, a slap in the face?

Still no. Dominion sounds more like a finale type episode anyway, it wouldn't bother me at all if Unending was used to reminisce on the last ten years of Stargate.

Elite Anubis Guard
February 28th, 2007, 04:59 PM
Each to their own I guess. But don't worry, if you want clipshow, there's that feature coming in The Ark of Truth. It's like a clipshow summary of the last ten years of SG1 I believe.

B O Y S C O U T
February 28th, 2007, 05:03 PM
What a nice episode of stargate, I loved the ending and the scenes with sam and vala. Poor Vala with her dad though :)

Mitchell82
February 28th, 2007, 05:15 PM
Uhhh... the Vagina Monologues is not a "Lesbian support group meeting!"



<snip>





Took the words out of my mouth Xerxus! :D

<snip>

oops. my bad.;)

jerkface
February 28th, 2007, 05:26 PM
Honestly, I've lowered my expectations for SG-1 (and Atlantis) with these last few seasons, but I didn't think they had it in them to make anything this god-awful.

Call me crazy, but I thought character development usually meant having the character in a situation that made her/him change, or grow, or say...develop. But did Lam or Vala or their fathers change at all?

From what we know, in the past Landry missed spending time with his family because he put work first. And he does that again here. The only reason he doesn't miss seeing Lam and her mother is because they don't leave. He doesn't change his tendency to put work first—he leaves only after the mission's complete. So...no character development there. Lam's mother is just (inexplicably) forgiving this time.

Lam herself doesn't change either. She's always been somewhat angry at her father, but ultimately fairly forgiving...and she is again here.

Vala's father is another Stargate iteration of Harry Mudd. Willard was fine, but when you start out with a version of a version of a cardboard character, you don't end up with any kind of character development.

Vala started out with some fond memories of her father, and some anger and mistrust for him. She ended up with the same. I thought Black almost made this poignant for a few moments, but there just wasn't a lot to work with. And again, no character development.

I found the opening and closing scenes utterly cringe-worthy. Sam and Vala go for manicures and Victoria's Secret...because they're both women? And women always do this? It's out of character for Carter, as well as a bizarre stamping of an Earth stereotype onto Vala.

And Teal'c watching the Vagina Monologues is funny because...the word vagina makes him uncomfortable? Why would it necessarily? Yes, they've had references in the past to the Jaffa not treating women and men equally, but why would this imply that Jaffa=Earth conservative? And why did we have a stereotypically "butch" woman next to Teal'c in the crowd? Are we supposed to laugh at him, or with him?

Ugh. Well, I do have to acknowledge that they've made me no longer unhappy about the show being cancelled. That's another thing I didn't think they were capable of.

Mitchell82
February 28th, 2007, 05:34 PM
Honestly, I've lowered my expectations for SG-1 (and Atlantis) with these last few seasons, but I didn't think they had it in them to make anything this god-awful.

Call me crazy, but I thought character development usually meant having the character in a situation that made her/him change, or grow, or say...develop. But did Lam or Vala or their fathers change at all?

From what we know, in the past Landry missed spending time with his family because he put work first. And he does that again here. The only reason he doesn't miss seeing Lam and her mother is because they don't leave. He doesn't change his tendency to put work first—he leaves only after the mission's complete. So...no character development there. Lam's mother is just (inexplicably) forgiving this time.

Lam herself doesn't change either. She's always been somewhat angry at her father, but ultimately fairly forgiving...and she is again here.

Vala's father is another Stargate iteration of Harry Mudd. Willard was fine, but when you start out with a version of a version of a cardboard character, you don't end up with any kind of character development.

Vala started out with some fond memories of her father, and some anger and mistrust for him. She ended up with the same. I thought Black almost made this poignant for a few moments, but there just wasn't a lot to work with. And again, no character development.

I found the opening and closing scenes utterly cringe-worthy. Sam and Vala go for manicures and Victoria's Secret...because they're both women? And women always do this? It's out of character for Carter, as well as a bizarre stamping of an Earth stereotype onto Vala.

And Teal'c watching the Vagina Monologues is funny because...the word vagina makes him uncomfortable? Why would it necessarily? Yes, they've had references in the past to the Jaffa not treating women and men equally, but why would this imply that Jaffa=Earth conservative? And why did we have a stereotypically "butch" woman next to Teal'c in the crowd? Are we supposed to laugh at him, or with him?

Ugh. Well, I do have to acknowledge that they've made me no longer unhappy about the show being cancelled. That's another thing I didn't think they were capable of.

Uh first off the only one that didnt change was Jasic. The others did change Landry for simply not blowing it off as he would before and Lam was indeed different. Teal'c was uncofortable by the subjuect matter and the fact he was the only male in the theater. It was funny IMO and was still a great ep.

Zelda
February 28th, 2007, 05:36 PM
Vala, Vala, Vala!!! Heh the producers LOVE that character. Is this the second time she got the entire episode all to herself? I am a lot less interested in her "home" life than her years as a Gou'ld host and more specifically under what circumstance she obtained her freedom from that situation. Back to this episode. The "abandoned" child and the relationship with the wayward parent has been done everywhere else, so why not on Stargate? Vala/Jasek had some parallels with Landry/Lam and caused Landry to be a sympathetic voice for Jasek's behalf. The scenes between Vala and her father were touching, yet that relationship was left unresolved at the end. I think if Vala is the star of the new Stargate spinoff -- I can see her "father" return as a recurring character.

I enjoyed Landry as the anxious ex husband arriving late for this so important, long delayed, meeting with his ex wife and their daughter. It was lovely that his former wife was glad that he had come and was willing to talk. The scene played out very well and with a sweet sincerity.

This episode did have some fun stuff. Liked the opener with two very feminine, very attractive women turning heads as they walked through the corridors of the SGC in civilian clothes. Cam is appreciative and isn't afraid to say so. He compliments Sam on her dress. Go Mitchell!

I love Fred Willard, so I enjoyed all his scenes. And, I don't know why the SGC called selling "stardust" a scam --- apparently none of them own a pet rock, an anonymous star in our solar system, a deed to a one-inch cubic square of an Alaskan glacier, a worthless piece of stock, or any other useless gadget. I loved that he also had a back-up plan to publish a "diet" book! They should all have been taking notes! :D

Teal'c -- May I offer you a word of advice?

Jasek -- Any input that would help me better myself would be greatly appreciated.

Teal'c -- Perhaps three words -- be less annoying.:D

Jasek to the thug who was expecting naquida and instead received a shipment of lead bars and yellow foam packing material -- They've included virility enhancers? Well, that's a bonus! Try one. Are you feeling anything yet? Thug, after a beat while chewing -- yes. :D :D :D

And, Teal'c sinking further and further into the depth of his seat, hoping no doubt it would swallow him up during the opening act to The Vagina Monologue. heh. Well, I'm sure he was a lot smarter in some ways coming out of the theater than when he went in. :D

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
February 28th, 2007, 05:56 PM
Yet again, an episode I thought would suck, but in turn it didn't, Mallozzi does it again. This was a funny episode, Fred Willard was a great guest star. I loved the ending with Teal'c, would it suck to be him. I give it a ***.

2 more episodes until the end of a legacy. :(

jetvlt
February 28th, 2007, 06:02 PM
i liked this episode.. it was quirky, odd, and kind of all over the place. i give it 3/5. the ending was gold. GOLD!

Skydiver
February 28th, 2007, 06:03 PM
People, what is so dang hard to understand about 'do not feed the trolls'????

Stop talking about each other.

If another member's behavior offends you you have two choices

Ignore them

Report them

Do NOT talk about them behind thier backs and stop taking this thread off topic.

One person is already on moderation and i am more than happy to add more to the list.

In this thread, discuss the episode and respect others opinions or simply stay out of this thread.

golfbooy
February 28th, 2007, 07:09 PM
Believe it or not, and I'm sure there're more than a few folks who won't, there was once a time when I was grossly effusive in my praise for Stargate SG-1. I lauded its well told plots, full of interesting twists and dynamic scenes; I lauded its ability to sell a feeling and to communicate with visual constructions; I lauded its characters each week as being believable and three dimensional; I said it was a fine testament to the United States Air Force and the quality of that organization's men and women. I've even been called an apologist for seasons seven and eight, finding a more complete story and greater depth of moment in those episodes than in many that came before them. Of course that was then, in some quondam time that will apparently never come again. Nowadays, I usually have only criticism and melancholy for the show. This week is no different. Family Ties is an abominable, abject, and abysmally shameful example of my once lauded Stargate SG-1.

I am at a terrific loss to understand the genesis of all that transpired in Family Ties (not that it was much). It seems a sort of [email protected] (you're killing me, filter, just killing me) monster inspired by Shelley, a bizarre mix of fanfiction, rote cliche, and pulled-out-of-the-air character moments. The casting of Fred Willard in any role is usually beyond me. I fail to see the amusment in the persona he has created for himself. Most annoying, though, is the fact that TPTB obviously went ahead and wrote a part for Fred Willard the person, not any sort of character to fit into the Stargate Universe. The unsurprising result is that Vala's father is a cartoon character, one without the charm of Urgo (created for Dom DeLuise) or the presence of Tolok (created for Issac Hayes) or the story import of Gerak (created for Louis Gossett Jr.). Bending the Stargate Universe to fit in Fred Willard for a week is the sort of stunt casting that highlights just how completely dry the creative well for this show has run. Vala's father need not have been introduced so close to the show's curtain call, and the tired, ordinary dynamic of the absentee parent abruptly returned to mend things is just about the most uninteresting part of her character to be revealed yet.

Speaking of Vala, this season has been ridiculous. I am a fan of the character, more or less, and found things to like even during season nine's obvious obsession with her. This year, however, has been criminal. Every other character on the show, from Sam to Daniel to Teal'c to Cameron, has been ignored wholesale week after week when it comes to character development in lieu of Vala. It seems that because she is so blatantly easy to write for that TPTB, especially Joe Mallozzi and Paul Mullie, simply don't even entertain the idea of doing something with the other team members. The sad fact is that nigh on forty episodes into New Stargate Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c are exactly the same characters they were before it. Not a thing has been done with them. It's as if they've been stuck in stasis, waiting for the Stargate movies to come along and move them forward in life. Cameron, too, has been stuck since his personality transplant earlier this season, never showing any growth or change beyond his function (whatever that is). But despite these writers' personal bias towards the character, it's hard to say that Family Ties treated Vala all that well, sadly. Attempting to play some sort of quasi-serious development for her against such a fop of a character as Jacek and against such a lark of a story as was presented was, plainly put, stupid. The absurdist manner in which Jacek, and by extension Vala, is presented does nothing more than to cast her in an equally absurd and useless light.

The story that Jacek wants to exchange information about an attack on Earth for sanctuary is relatively rational. But beyond that things take a turn into crazy. Are we really to believe that he'd be allowed off base? Are we really to believe that after being told of his reputation and that he was completely untrustworthy that he'd be put up in his own apartment and allowed to roam free? Vala herself is still forced to live on base, as is Teal'c. His last attempt to do otherwise was met with considerable opposition and saw constant surveillance. It's just not rational that we're expected to swallow the Air Force's treatment of Jacek, yet that never seems to have been a concern in the creation of Family Ties. It's the sloppiest form of writing--it belittles the characters to have them act so foolishly, it insults the show's history to ignore established methods for handling such situations, and it insults viewers by expecting them to just sit there and be OK with such implausibility. I can go with TPTB on most things, but breaking the internal logic of their own show is a surefire way to put me off the whole thing. If you have to make the characters look like imbeciles in order to make your fantastically funny story idea workable, then it's a safe bet that your favorite, pet story idea is a bunch of crap. Just like Family Ties.

The other part of Family Ties was the long-forgotten Lam and Landry stuff. Frankly, despite my lack of enthusiasm for General Landry, I was grateful that his part of the story was played seriously (mostly). Like the Vala and Jacek plotline, though, this part of the story was only a half-assed attempt at bonafide character development. Landry's and Lam's relationship is no different after this "breakthrough". Those two characters are in exactly the same place as they were following The Fourth Horseman. And while it was a nice moment to see Landry sitting there reunited with his family, it would have been even nicer if the writers would have made an effort to script some dialogue for the dinner. Surely the only distinguishable part of Landry's character regarding his family is the fact that he's rather contrite and sorry for the decisions he's made in the past. We know that. But simply having his ex-wife(?) handwave the momentous reconcilation with a "we've got a lot to talk about" just seems lazy. I was disappointed. Landry has little else.

Cameron and Daniel were in the episode. Huzzah, huzzah. I don't have much else to say on that front. I wish I did, though. I suppose Daniel had one good scene with Vala, though I'm not sure whether I was supposed to read that as actual concern for Vala or Daniel just wanting to keep up to date on Jacek's actions. It could have been an important scene, but was totally undermined by the necessity to play everything for laughs. And they missed an opportunity to include Daniel in Vala's dilemma when he didn't talk about his own reconciliation with Nicholas Ballard. Why not capitalize on your own past successes? It seemed so obvious that I'm astounded it was left out.

Teal'c also had very, very little to do or say in Family Ties. Good job! The Vagina Monolgues joke seemed to come out of nowhere, and honestly, I just didn't think it was funny. The one scene that did work for me, however, was Teal'c's walk-and-talk with Jacek. Seeing Teal'c warn Jacek about hurting Vala or trying to play the SGC was totally in character and well played. But again, not too much in this one for T.

Sam and Vala are buddies now. I suppose I like it, and there really wasn't anywhere else for the two characters to wind up. But it just seems so random in Family Ties. After having the two characters interact so seldomly throughout season ten and cutting whatever small friendship building scenes were originally filmed in previous episodes, seeing Vala and Sam shopping and drinking together all at once just came out of nowhere. It sort of felt like pandering to fans. I would have much rather seen a scene with some depth where Sam goes to see Vala and talks to her about Jacek. After spending six seasons working through her own fractured relationship with Jacob, it would have been a believable bonding point for Sam and Vala, and one that would have had some real meaning attached to it. Again, it was so obvious that I can't believe it wasn't touched on.

Family Ties looks to be the last time Joe Mallozzi and Paul Mullie will write for SG-1. Looking back on their episodes, I think that's worth a cheer. Early on, they had some very good episodes, but in my estimation, no other writer misses the mark so consistently as these two. The Tower, Irresponsible, The Ties That Bind, Family Ties, Memento Mori--all of these episodes are more concerned with showing how funny the writers are than they are with doing interesting things with the story or doing right by the characters. M&M episodes have very little balance these days, and they fit less and less with the flavor of Stargate. Oddly enough, despite penning the franchises' biggest "failures" for a number of years, Mallozzi and Mullie actually get promoted to showrunners. Be afraid, Atlantis fans. I am.

mikeroq
February 28th, 2007, 08:28 PM
Anyone else notice Vala was wearing her patches on the wrong arms? She had the team patch on her left arm, and the earth patch on her right. Its supposed to be team on the right, and earth on the left.

Vala_M
February 28th, 2007, 08:45 PM
No, it had several...



Yup - the ones they had money! :)
But TBH, I think they proved with Letters from Pegasus/ Citizen Joe that they might actualyl be able to pull off great stuff from clip shows - hell, LFP is one of my favuorite s1 episode.... so the're not all bad.

I hate clip shows! It seems only half of the seasons actually had clip shows. It felt like there were more than that, maybe that was because I counted it back several years ago when there were more clip show seasons than non clip show seasons. But didn't "200" have clips in it? Although, I don't think that counted because they were new old clips and such, right?

Vala,

the fifth man
February 28th, 2007, 08:57 PM
Yet again, an episode I thought would suck, but in turn it didn't, Mallozzi does it again. This was a funny episode, Fred Willard was a great guest star. I loved the ending with Teal'c, would it suck to be him. I give it a ***.

2 more episodes until the end of a legacy. :(

I really enjoyed this one. It was meant to be a funny and light episode, and it was. I was LMAO throughout most of it.:D Fred Willard was great as Vala's father IMO.

I can't believe it either. Only two more eps, and it's all over. I'm going to miss this show so much.:(

captain Qball
February 28th, 2007, 09:00 PM
Well, this is the first episode of season 10 I will actally call garbage.

I had high hopes for Fred Willard, being a fan of his, but I was skeptical since I heard the first details of this episode. I had hoped that the "Vala's dad" storyline would be a subplot to the larger picture, but apparently not.

The last scene with Teal'c....why? I did not find it funny and it reminded me of the end of "200". Think back to 3 or 4 years ago, would you have ever imagined a scene like that in Stargate? I know I wouldn't have. Overall I enjoyed Seasons 9 and 10, but episodes like this make me think they are slipping.

I won't go into details as they've all been covered. While I don't have a formal list, I would imagine this would be in the top 5 for "Worst episode ever".

Zamboni
February 28th, 2007, 09:04 PM
I wonder if Teal'c enjoyed the vagina monologue... He is, afterall, most feminine of all the male characters; he's got an extra "pouch", and he lost his "junior"... LOL

Anonmatel
February 28th, 2007, 09:35 PM
It was a great light-hearted episode. Funny most of the way through, and probably the best joke for 10 seasons in the final scene.

Stargate has had these comedy episode since the first season. Why should it change ?

majorsal
February 28th, 2007, 09:36 PM
I found the opening and closing scenes utterly cringe-worthy. Sam and Vala go for manicures and Victoria's Secret...because they're both women? And women always do this? It's out of character for Carter, as well as a bizarre stamping of an Earth stereotype onto Vala.



how is it out of character for sam? just because we haven't seen sam do this before doesn't mean she never has before.

just sayin'...




sally :)

dec55
February 28th, 2007, 09:55 PM
I am with you here... I love this woman since Andromeda, she is a living doll!

:lol Yeah Lexa is just pleasure to watch....... she really brings a lot
to Lam's character... Hope to see her in more Stargate projects...when she
has time. I know having two toddlers to take care of takes a lot of time...hard
to believe Lexa is a mother of two.....time really flies....:)

neoncrazy101
February 28th, 2007, 11:27 PM
all i got to say is the final scene was the most funniest things i'ever seen on stargate! man hahahhahahahaha

lord-anubis
February 28th, 2007, 11:44 PM
best ending ever i completly forgoten what the ep was about lol

Chaka's_Mum
February 28th, 2007, 11:58 PM
just because we haven't seen sam do this before doesn't mean she never has before.

just sayin'...

I agree - I thought it made a nice change to see Sam actually doing something 'girly' in hitting the shops with Vala, rather than doing her usual scientific thingies and buffing up her motorbike. I mean; it's not like she was ever going to take Teal'c shopping for a bit of Victoria's Secret 'merchandise'.

Now, that would have been educational for him...:o

Nylon
March 1st, 2007, 01:30 AM
Look i like a filler episode as much as the next guy its just I didn't think it would end like this, I didn't think after 10 years i would spend the last 3 weeks of my SG-1 life watching a filler ep :( . Yeah i did have a giggle at the last scene.

DigiFluid
March 1st, 2007, 02:13 AM
who is the new commander played by? and dont want to be rude but he doesnt seem fit as the role for a commander, if you know what i mean.

I don't know the actor's name, but it's the same guy who played Lt. Thorne in the BSG episode "Pegasus." The guy who raped Sharon.

P-90_177
March 1st, 2007, 03:04 AM
Gotta say I loved that episode. It was really cool t see some normality in the SGC (girls night in/day out) and I enjoy the friendship between vala and sam. It makes sense that sam would enjoy having a friend who isn't a guy.
Valas dad was quite funny but I don't think he was the best part of the ep.
I was very good to see an ep which was about valas past and I liked that we got to see that serious side of her again which wasn't all weepy over danny or alike. She's definately an intergral part of the team now too I just wish she'd been in the series for longer for longer.

Oh and one other thing. I almost busted a gut laughing at the end with Teal'c. That was just one of the funniest moments in Stargate history.

NATIK
March 1st, 2007, 03:13 AM
Overall I enjoyed the episode alot, I found it nice to not have an all important doom of the team or the world thing be the most important thing and character development is nice to have but there is a major BUT that detracts from it.

I REALLY REALLY didnt like Jacek the character really dragged the episode down for me, he was way to corny and stupid and the remarks he came with really made me want to delete him from the episode, just like Lucius of Atlantis, same kind of guy and he have the same problems. It seems like they just copied Lucius and made him Vala's father.

AlphaBlu
March 1st, 2007, 05:18 AM
For the first time in I don't know how many years, there was a point during this episode when I actually went:

"I hope this one gets to the point soon."

Nothing happened in this episode. It was like an episode of Seinfeld, only without the jokes. They tried to tie it together with the 'Scary Cargo Ships of Doom', but other than that the whole episode was tied to a character who was more annoying than Lucius Lovin and Urgo rolled into one.

Where Urgo and Lucius managed to be funny, Jasek or whatever he was called was nothing but horrible. He wasn't funny, endearing, sympathetic in any way. At the start of the episode he was a devious ******* out for himself, and by episode's end he was still a devious ******* out for himself. I'm not expecting radical change in a hard-line con-artist in a single episode, but nothing happened with the character. He was the means to an end - the end of the episode that is - and that's all he did.

And boy oh boy did that 'funny' track get used in this episode, almost as if they had to inject SG-1's 'this-scene-is-supposed-to-be-funny-and-lighthearded' theme into every scene involving Vala, Jasek, or both of them. Why? 'Cause we obviously needed reminding that Jasek is hilarious, and we should be rolling around on the floor laughing our collective grey butts off.

But he wasn't.

He was dull, and didn't even manage to get any good lines. Not even Lucius was that bad.

Frankly, the episode with Tomin and Vala had more power in one scene that this episode had in its whole 40 mins.

And were Vala's rollers supposed to be funny? They weren't.

Do you honestly believe they'd let two people walk around a top secret military base under NORAD in civvies, high-heels and with shopping bags?

Teal'c and Daniel did virtually nothing in this episode. Cam and Sam did less.

Why would they give this non-trustworthy (yet 'hilariously funny') con-artist have a life outside of the base when Teal'c and Vala don't get one?

This is easily the worst of Season 10, and one of the worst episodes of SG-1 to date. Epiphany had more going for it than this episode.

The only three good things were:

1. Siler walking into a door.
2. The Lam/Landry stuff.
3. The Vagina Monologues bit. That was hilarious.

Bad, bad episode.

BYE

Busterfan
March 1st, 2007, 07:23 AM
I've read through most of the comments on this ep, which I did not really like very much. However, I'm really surprised no one's commented on how Daniel has quite a belly on him in this ep.

P-90_177
March 1st, 2007, 07:36 AM
eh?

jenks
March 1st, 2007, 08:09 AM
Well atleast Dominion will be amazing by comparison.

jani
March 1st, 2007, 08:11 AM
in episode 18 theres a bit were Sam preety much has a go at the network saying they haven't gave respect to SG-1 after being a big succes for the channel it was so funny the way they wrote it in to the story fun stuff

LiquidKal
March 1st, 2007, 08:14 AM
I loved that bit. It was brilliant.
Referring to the network as network of planets was great. It made it so blatantly obvious.
Cameron also made a comment about the cancellation at the beginning of the episode.

SaberBlade
March 1st, 2007, 08:17 AM
I don't remember that part. When did it happen?

Pharaoh Atem
March 1st, 2007, 08:19 AM
in episode 18 theres a bit were Sam preety much has a go at the network saying they haven't gave respect to SG-1 after being a big succes for the channel it was so funny the way they wrote it in to the story fun stuff

what was the line

Zelda
March 1st, 2007, 08:21 AM
I've read through most of the comments on this ep, which I did not really like very much. However, I'm really surprised no one's commented on how Daniel has quite a belly on him in this ep.

Perhaps he is experiencing an immaculate conception -- I wouldn't put anything past those evil Ori guys! Or, maybe he's been eating too many of Cam's home-made macaroon cookies. :D

And, no one mentioned: Vala forget to inform her dad he is, erm was, uh whatever, a GRANDPA!!! :eek: :p :D

Spoonboy
March 1st, 2007, 08:46 AM
I really thought that General Landry should have beamed into a telephone box outside the restraunt, in order to get there on time. Shame that didn't happen.

DrBravo2
March 1st, 2007, 08:59 AM
I just realized how much Fred Willard reminds me of Richard Dean Anderson.

mancslad08
March 1st, 2007, 09:14 AM
0/10

Worst episode of SG-1, EVER. I thought this season had quite a few contenders for that award but this episode wins it for me.

markaudette
March 1st, 2007, 09:16 AM
For me, this episode was true joy to watch. I am so sorry that other fans did not like this episode. It gave the series what it has been sorely lacking, that inside look to the character's lives. I don't always enjoy every single episode dealing with blowing up the bad guys and pulling Earth from the brink of disaster every single damn episode. It begins to make the show more unbelievable as these types of episodes are repeated, time and time again. Ra, Apophosis, Baal, Anubis, the Replicators, the Ori... The storytelling kept escalating and got larger as the series progressed. So grandiose that the show became just a little too improbable in my opinion. But by God, it made for great television!

It was nice to se a more down-to-Earth story for once. I have always been longing for episodes with this kind of material.

I can'y honestly give this episode any negative marks. The story doesn't seemed forced. Just that is a little misplaced in the scheme of things. The producers did not have very much room to squeeze this episode into the episode lineup. But they got in there and I am glad. It set up some very positive charatcer developments. And like I said, the theme was not having very much room to work in. Vala's character arc was widened with her nefarious father. And I'm looking forward to an arc that can now thankfully continue into the two SG-1 movies and Atlantis.

Landry's storyline needed a little more room to blossom, but because the amount of space in the scedule the producers DIDN'T have, I was still happy with what little closure General Landry and Dr. Lam were allowed to have. It felt right. It was presented well and was acted well.

And I have the sneaking suspicion that the final scene with Teal'c will forever live on profusely in fan clip reels. :tealc:

Family Ties was such a refreshing episode that I wish we could all have seen more of during the life of the series.

Nightspore
March 1st, 2007, 10:31 AM
I've read through most of the comments on this ep, which I did not really like very much. However, I'm really surprised no one's commented on how Daniel has quite a belly on him in this ep.

LOL; I noticed that myself. And, Shanks face is still that odd orange/brown - at least on my screen.

Nightspore
March 1st, 2007, 10:32 AM
I just realized how much Fred Willard reminds me of Richard Dean Anderson.

In his acting or in his looks?

jenks
March 1st, 2007, 12:54 PM
0/10

Worst episode of SG-1, EVER. I thought this season had quite a few contenders for that award but this episode wins it for me.

LOL, didn't you get enough attention the first time?

dipsofjazz
March 1st, 2007, 01:01 PM
I just realized how much Fred Willard reminds me of Richard Dean Anderson.

:jack_new_anime05: :eek:

rnwhocares
March 1st, 2007, 02:20 PM
:lol Yeah Lexa is just pleasure to watch....... she really brings a lot
to Lam's character... Hope to see her in more Stargate projects...when she
has time. I know having two toddlers to take care of takes a lot of time...hard
to believe Lexa is a mother of two.....time really flies....:)

I'm sorry, Lexa brings alot to Lam's character?? She is stiff AND monotone-I don't think she can act at all!!!!

Hubble
March 1st, 2007, 02:42 PM
I just realized how much Fred Willard reminds me of Richard Dean Anderson.

If, to you, Fred Williard looks like RDA, then good for you, because it's twice your viewing pleasure. However, if through your eyes, RDA looks like Fred Willard, then I'm sorry because you're missing a thing of beauty. (Nothing against ol Fred....)

:jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :) :) :)

Hubble
March 1st, 2007, 02:43 PM
I'm sorry, Lexa brings alot to Lam's character?? She is stiff AND monotone-I don't think she can act at all!!!!

I agree; I think she's a real cutie, but I think she brings nothing to Lam's character at all. Nor does the writing, for that matter.

rnwhocares
March 1st, 2007, 03:11 PM
I just watched Family Ties, and I really didn't think it was all that bad as alot of you have said. I enjoyed it-even though it was a no-nothing episode I stll like to watch the characters interact. They don't all have to be action packed and i think we got our fill last week with all the violence.

acce
March 1st, 2007, 05:10 PM
Ok, it sucked!
But Teal'c scene was quite funny! The look at his face was just memorable!
:sam: :vala: :tealc: :teyla: :weir:

jonno
March 1st, 2007, 06:25 PM
Uninspiring.

Boring.

About the only positive thing i have to say is that it was better than Irresistable. Didn't get me to laugh once, and therefore as (another!) comedic episode, it was a failure. Mallozzi & Mullie may have written the very best Stargate (WoO), but in recent years something appears to have got lodged in their pens ... and it ain't, IMO, something good.

Additionally, let's look at the last four eps.

Bounty <--- comedic filler. amusing in places.
Bad Guys <--- comedic filler. But good fun, in classic old school SG-1 style.
Talion <--- Jaffa / Teal'c story arc. Clunky, but good. A nice rap up for Teal'c / Bra'tac.
Family Ties <--- "comedic" filler [disguised behind Vala / Landry character development. Overall, poor.

We now have 2 eps left. OK, I know this was written before cancellation ... but ... in any season, 3 comedic fillers out of four is overkill. Heck - at this stage of Season 7 and 8, we were going have Heroes, Reckoning and Threads, some of the most important episodes in the show's history.

In my opinion, we could have cut two of those comedy episodes (i'd dispose of Bounty and Family Ties), and kept Bad Guys and Talion. So - we've got 2 new episodes to write, and millions of potential arcs we could wrap up with them.

mancslad08
March 1st, 2007, 06:37 PM
Uninspiring.

Boring.

About the only positive thing i have to say is that it was better than Irresistable. Didn't get me to laugh once, and therefore as (another!) comedic episode, it was a failure. Mallozzi & Mullie may have written the very best Stargate (WoO), but in recent years something appears to have got lodged in their pens ... and it ain't, IMO, something good.

Additionally, let's look at the last four eps.

Bounty <--- comedic filler. amusing in places.
Bad Guys <--- comedic filler. But good fun, in classic old school SG-1 style.
Talion <--- Jaffa / Teal'c story arc. Clunky, but good. A nice rap up for Teal'c / Bra'tac.
Family Ties <--- "comedic" filler [disguised behind Vala / Landry character development. Overall, poor.

We now have 2 eps left. OK, I know this was written before cancellation ... but ... in any season, 3 comedic fillers out of four is overkill. Heck - at this stage of Season 7 and 8, we were going have Heroes, Reckoning and Threads, some of the most important episodes in the show's history.

In my opinion, we could have cut two of those comedy episodes (i'd dispose of Bounty and Family Ties), and kept Bad Guys and Talion. So - we've got 2 new episodes to write, and millions of potential arcs we could wrap up with them.


Fantastic post, couldn't have said it better myself.

Thank god this is the last season is all I'll say.

I have to say though I actually thought Irresistable was ok. Irresponsable was utter garbage... definately the worst episode of SGA and I would say second worst episode of all of Stargate...

after Family Ties.

On second thought my 0/10 rating was too high I feel, definately a negative numbers rating needed.

IMForeman
March 1st, 2007, 07:48 PM
I had thought this was at best a slightly below average episode until that ending. Poor Teal'c. I laughed for 5 minutes straight.

the fifth man
March 1st, 2007, 08:01 PM
I had thought this was at best a slightly below average episode until that ending. Poor Teal'c. I laughed for 5 minutes straight.

I actually really enjoyed the episode overall. Great comedy in it IMO. The end was something though.:) I don't really feel sorry for Teal'c though. He should have known better than to trust Vala's father.

teal'c2006
March 1st, 2007, 08:51 PM
Ok, it sucked!
But Teal'c scene was quite funny! The look at his face was just memorable!
:sam: :vala: :tealc: :teyla: :weir: I loved his scenes to, it was so funny. I enjoyed the episode.

dec55
March 1st, 2007, 09:37 PM
I'm sorry, Lexa brings alot to Lam's character?? She is stiff AND monotone

Actually she is an extremely talented actress.....your words just proves it...


This is how Lexa was asked to play Lam in her own words:


Carolyn is way out of her element for one thing. In some ways, she is the antithesis of Janet Fraiser [Teryl Rothery], who was this incredibly competent, caring, nurturing type figure. Carolyn is probably equally competent but doesn't believe so. She's a lot colder than Janet, which was kind of tough for me...

Link to the interview..:

http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/interviews/ld/0511ldstargate07.shtml

Mitchell82
March 1st, 2007, 09:47 PM
I really enjoyed this one. It was meant to be a funny and light episode, and it was. I was LMAO throughout most of it.:D Fred Willard was great as Vala's father IMO.

I can't believe it either. Only two more eps, and it's all over. I'm going to miss this show so much.:(

Agreed. Fred Willard is a great actor and this is another shining example of his tallent. I too am going into a deep depression at realizing only two eps are left.:(

Mitchell82
March 1st, 2007, 09:51 PM
One thing I really loved is how Lam and Landry are finally getting over their issues. Nice to see Kim, Landry's ex wife and this just makes me want to scream at scifi simply b/c there is so much more potential in this storyline.

Hubble
March 1st, 2007, 10:37 PM
Actually she is an extremely talented actress.....your words just proves it...


Actually, it is your *opinion* that she is an extremely talented actress; it's certainly not an objective fact. I find her physically attractive, but I think her acting abilities are mediocre, at best - *my* opinion.

Another thing which I thought was rather silly. I know fans have said they want to see little slices of the character's lives outside of SG-1 or off duty, but I didn't see the point of having Landry visit Vala in her room with Vala in her nightgown and curlers in her hair. Was that supposed to be cute or funny? Does any female sleep with curlers in their hair these days? She should have just washed her hair the next morning and blown it dry with her hair dryer...you know, the one she carries off-world with her. :(

HVYFKNMTL
March 1st, 2007, 10:42 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=InHmYt0zOuo

you've been entering "stargate vagina" into youtube for years havent you....

dec55
March 1st, 2007, 11:22 PM
Actually, it is your *opinion* that she is an extremely talented actress; it's certainly not an objective fact. I find her physically attractive, but I think her acting abilities are mediocre, at best - *my* opinion.
:(

Seeing that she has been in the business since 1993..and had a co staring role in her own series for five years....and was sought after by the Sg1 guys since 2001...eh....I think there maybe more to Lexa's talent than my opinion...IMO...

But that's just me......

PG15
March 1st, 2007, 11:54 PM
Actually, it is your *opinion* that she is an extremely talented actress; it's certainly not an objective fact. I find her physically attractive, but I think her acting abilities are mediocre, at best - *my* opinion.

Another thing which I thought was rather silly. I know fans have said they want to see little slices of the character's lives outside of SG-1 or off duty, but I didn't see the point of having Landry visit Vala in her room with Vala in her nightgown and curlers in her hair. Was that supposed to be cute or funny? Does any female sleep with curlers in their hair these days? She should have just washed her hair the next morning and blown it dry with her hair dryer...you know, the one she carries off-world with her. :(

I'll answer that question with another one: Have you met any female who's from another planet? :p

ShardsofGlass
March 2nd, 2007, 04:08 AM
Actually, it is your *opinion* that she is an extremely talented actress; it's certainly not an objective fact. I find her physically attractive, but I think her acting abilities are mediocre, at best - *my* opinion.

Another thing which I thought was rather silly. I know fans have said they want to see little slices of the character's lives outside of SG-1 or off duty, but I didn't see the point of having Landry visit Vala in her room with Vala in her nightgown and curlers in her hair. Was that supposed to be cute or funny? Does any female sleep with curlers in their hair these days? She should have just washed her hair the next morning and blown it dry with her hair dryer...you know, the one she carries off-world with her. :(


LOL That's a good point. No one sleeps with curlers like that in their hair. It would be beyond painful. I'm sure it's supposed to be funny, just like the sleeping mask in the Quest was supposed to be funny.

P-90_177
March 2nd, 2007, 04:25 AM
One thing I really loved is how Lam and Landry are finally getting over their issues. Nice to see Kim, Landry's ex wife and this just makes me want to scream at scifi simply b/c there is so much more potential in this storyline.

I was pleasantly suprised to see that they'd got an asian actress to play Lam's Mother. I don't know why it just seemed like one of those things that could have been ignored.

rnwhocares
March 2nd, 2007, 05:47 AM
Actually she is an extremely talented actress.....your words just proves it...


This is how Lexa was asked to play Lam in her own words:



Link to the interview..:

http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/interviews/ld/0511ldstargate07.shtml
I'm going to have to disagree with you there--this is exactly the same way she acted in Andromeda-stiff and monotone-no facial expressions at all. Didn't like her then, don't like her now IMHO. I like all the other characters though:)

rnwhocares
March 2nd, 2007, 05:53 AM
LOL That's a good point. No one sleeps with curlers like that in their hair. It would be beyond painful. I'm sure it's supposed to be funny, just like the sleeping mask in the Quest was supposed to be funny.
I thought the SAME thing, and I was like--HELLO your boss walks in your room and sees you in a bathrobe-yeah right. It did give me a chuckle though

spitfire
March 2nd, 2007, 06:23 AM
I'm going to have to disagree with you there--this is exactly the same way she acted in Andromeda-stiff and monotone-no facial expressions at all. Didn't like her then, don't like her now IMHO. I like all the other characters though:)

She was the robot/android.

MasterPower
March 2nd, 2007, 08:09 AM
A terrible episode is my opinion. Pure gutter trash. The only think interesting was the last scene with Teal'c. That got me to crack a smile.

P-90_177
March 2nd, 2007, 08:21 AM
Are you made of stone or something? Crack a smile? I almost had the room cave in on me with laughter.

Hubble
March 2nd, 2007, 08:23 AM
Seeing that she has been in the business since 1993..and had a co staring role in her own series for five years....and was sought after by the Sg1 guys since 2001...eh....I think there maybe more to Lexa's talent than my opinion...IMO...

But that's just me......

Yes, in the Sci Fi genre. It's all so subjective. There are many actors who've been in the business for many years, have had mega movies, are in demand who I don't think are very talented. Arnold Schwarzenegger for one, Bruce Willis for another.

I don't doubt that there are those who think she's talented. I'm just saying that some people don't feel that way. Your reply to the poster (who said they didn't find her acting abilities to be worth much) was stated as almost an absolute as in "Actually, she's an amazing actress." Not everyone thinks so.

Commander Ivanova
March 2nd, 2007, 09:22 AM
Re: Lexa Doig

Your reply to the poster (who said they didn't find her acting abilities to be worth much) was stated as almost an absolute as in "Actually, she's an amazing actress." Not everyone thinks so.

For what it's worth, I'm not overly impressed with her acting ability either.

sg1_david
March 2nd, 2007, 09:48 AM
Think everyones covered it already - bad writing, bad acting, cheap "toilet humour" gags.....

jenks
March 2nd, 2007, 10:11 AM
I didn't feel like a comedic episode to me at all.

BPC
March 2nd, 2007, 10:29 AM
Re: Lexa Doig


For what it's worth, I'm not overly impressed with her acting ability either.

Count me as another who finds nothing impressive about her acting abilities --beyond a sudden urge for yawning or turning the channel when she is on screen her acting does nothing for me.

BPC
March 2nd, 2007, 10:32 AM
Family Ties - utter and complete trash that never should have seen the light of day in my opinion. Third episode from the very end of the weekly series and they come up with this mess??? I really, really want to know where all the so-called thousands of storeis are that they claim to have had all along - did they just get a bug up thier a$$e$ about being cancelled so they put all those ideas away and came up with crap in its place (not to even mention Bounty and Bad Guys)? Talk about going out on it's last legs - what a shameful way for this show to end.

Madeleine
March 2nd, 2007, 10:33 AM
I think she's really good. She uses a flatter voice than most actors, but then in RL so do most people and that makes her feel realistic. But she still manages to convey opinion and feeling in her voice and in her face, so IMO she acts Lam really well.

Having said that I don't like the whole Lam-Landry thing, so in this ep she didn't do much for me, but she certainly managed to make Lam believable.

Kales
March 2nd, 2007, 10:48 AM
I liked bits of this ep, but it didn't entirely gel for me. And after the spoiler build-up I was expecting something more serious and a return to the actual story arc.

kay x

nekoi
March 2nd, 2007, 02:22 PM
Not the best episode, but it was deffinately desersing of better credit than what some people seem to be giving it.

This episode was really cute. That's the whole way I can sum it up. I don't think I've seen another episode of stargate that made me go "aww" as much! lol

The beginning was just funny, with Sam and Vala coming back from a shopping trip-- although I'm confused as to why they'd be heading into work with all of that? Still, it was cute to see them do girly stuff together... and Sam in a DRESS, none the less!:sam: :vala:
The tidbits making fun of scifi were really funny. Such as Mitchell discussing something getting cancelled for no reason and Sam saying that the SGC gets no respect from the higher ups after doing so much for them (let's face it, Stargate probably brought in most of SciFi's viewers). Really subtle, but it was good they got away with that... I love a show that can make fun of its own situation. XD

As for the parallel father storylines, it was nice to see that they finally decided to do something about Landry's plot, as opposed to just letting it drag on... As much as I think they should have done it LAST SEASON when it was still fresh in the open, this seemed like a really appropriate episode for them to just do it.
Vala and her father were great! Fred Willard-- I was worried, since I've seen him do some really bad stuff, but I loved his character... he was a real worm, but you couldn't help but believe that he really does care about his daughter, even if he tried to scam them all.
I was happy with the outcome of them ending up scamming his back though... and the styrofoam box fillers thing was PRICELESS! XD

Teal'c, I found was kind of left out, and that really bothered me. His few scenes were good, but I think he could have been included more. The end, though, was GENIUS. :tealc:

And I'm actually glad they're not focusing on the Ori right away... the next 2 episodes will probably include them, and then we get a whole movie to see how it all plays out.
I'm HAPPY that the last few episodes have been more episodic, rather than dragged on arcs (like season 9 was).

Although it's not the BEST episode, and certainly not as epic as Talion, I recomend it. It was a good watch. :)

kimberlyrose
March 2nd, 2007, 04:03 PM
I agree - I thought it made a nice change to see Sam actually doing something 'girly' in hitting the shops with Vala, rather than doing her usual scientific thingies and buffing up her motorbike. I mean; it's not like she was ever going to take Teal'c shopping for a bit of Victoria's Secret 'merchandise'.

Now, that would have been educational for him...:o

Disclaimer: haven't seen the episode yet, so I'm just going on what I've read. From the comments, Teal'c going to see The Vagina Monologues sounds like it's something they threw in entirely so that people could giggle and say, "ooh, I can't believe they said that, tee hee." I almost think it would have been more amusing if Teal'c had been along with Sam and Vala, and they'd suddenly decided to pop into Victoria's Secret with Teal'c in tow. :)

Shipperahoy
March 2nd, 2007, 08:36 PM
I'm not sure how to say this so that it comes across the way that I want it to but I would have liked this if it had been another show and not Stargate. Where has the sci in the sci-fi gone? I don't mind humor and I've always enjoyed the odd humor-based episodes that they've thrown our way over the years (with the notible exception of Avenger 2.0) but the second half of season 10 has been nothing even remotely resembling Stargate IMO. It's like a really really long Blake Edwards movie. I keep expecting someone to walk in to a door or to have one of those chase scenes like in Scooby Doo where they're running down corridors and barely missing each other as they come in and out of the doors. If they start throwing pies at each other I'm so outta here. I truly truly hope that they can get back on track for the last 2 episodes because I've really enjoyed season 10 and would like the series to go out with a bang.

Mitchell82
March 2nd, 2007, 09:55 PM
I was pleasantly suprised to see that they'd got an asian actress to play Lam's Mother. I don't know why it just seemed like one of those things that could have been ignored.

Agreed. Lexa obviously has some asian in her, and it be an obvious choice to us, and I'm glad they chose that route too.

esoap524
March 3rd, 2007, 01:36 PM
I thought the SAME thing, and I was like--HELLO your boss walks in your room and sees you in a bathrobe-yeah right. It did give me a chuckle though

Believe it or not, some people still do, especially if they have crazy hair. that was kind of funny, though. It's not like she was expecting him to walk in.

As an aside, CB has a curler scene in Farscape, of all things, so I wondered if there was an inside joke in there somewhere. Apparently, off set, they'd use the curlers to keep her hair from getting completely out of control. She wore them in a scene where things were supposed to be off kilter.

http://farscape-caps.com/215/wgfa096.jpg

anyway, that's the geek in me explaining curlers.


I'm not sure how to say this so that it comes across the way that I want it to but I would have liked this if it had been another show and not Stargate. Where has the sci in the sci-fi gone? I don't mind humor and I've always enjoyed the odd humor-based episodes that they've thrown our way over the years (with the notible exception of Avenger 2.0) but the second half of season 10 has been nothing even remotely resembling Stargate IMO. It's like a really really long Blake Edwards movie. I keep expecting someone to walk in to a door or to have one of those chase scenes like in Scooby Doo where they're running down corridors and barely missing each other as they come in and out of the doors. If they start throwing pies at each other I'm so outta here. I truly truly hope that they can get back on track for the last 2 episodes because I've really enjoyed season 10 and would like the series to go out with a bang.

I wonder if this is TPTB self-indulgent way to get in some stuff they might have otherwise strung out into next season. I'm figuring THEY'RE figuring that the 2 hour movie is going to end the Ori story with a bang. It also sounds like the next episode is going to involve Adria. Not so sure about the last one, but it's not meant to the THE END anyway, what with the movie.

These last few are still much better than The Xfiles last few episodes, I'll say that much, if that is indeed saying much at all. I've enjoyed the comedic; after stuff like "Battlestar Galactica", over which I've pretty much lost all interest, I'm glad to at least see some humor. I liked the few Vala/Sam moments, I liked the way Jasic was so much like Vala used to be, and how Vala's not feeling that at all anymore.

And that last scene was PRICELESS. I liked the way Jasic had casually mentioned it (the Virginia Monologues); I didn't expect that to come back on us until Sam said "oh, he went to see a show."

I'm sorry--very, very funny. And twisted.

langdonboom
March 3rd, 2007, 01:49 PM
not sure if this has been mentioned before -- but what does Vala's dad being the age he is mean for how long Vala was the host for Que'tesh?

I mean in the long line of things that were not thought through in this episode in terms of continuity (the whole Landry family bit was rushed and empty feeling as well), how did the fact that his daugther was a Goa'uld for some time never come up?

Not to mention the fact that she's given birth to the harbinger of the Ori. I mean, I guess if she's on the outs with the old man she doesn't bring that up but nobody else does?

Just how long was she supposed to be a Goa'uld? Seems like it would have to have been a short time since Jaseck is not really that old (assuming the host doesn't really age while hosting a Goa'uld/using the sarcophogus).

This is me trying to make some sense out of this messy episode. Not sure its worth the attempt, and I have to say I've NEVER felt this way about an SG episode!

Mitchell82
March 3rd, 2007, 02:55 PM
not sure if this has been mentioned before -- but what does Vala's dad being the age he is mean for how long Vala was the host for Que'tesh?

I mean in the long line of things that were not thought through in this episode in terms of continuity (the whole Landry family bit was rushed and empty feeling as well), how did the fact that his daugther was a Goa'uld for some time never come up?

Not to mention the fact that she's given birth to the harbinger of the Ori. I mean, I guess if she's on the outs with the old man she doesn't bring that up but nobody else does?

Just how long was she supposed to be a Goa'uld? Seems like it would have to have been a short time since Jaseck is not really that old (assuming the host doesn't really age while hosting a Goa'uld/using the sarcophogus).

This is me trying to make some sense out of this messy episode. Not sure its worth the attempt, and I have to say I've NEVER felt this way about an SG episode!

I see your points but I don't feel that some of those were necessary for this episode. Vala has tried to keep her past burried and the fact that she was a goa'uld wasnt necessary info for this ep. As for Adria, I also don't think mentioning her to her father was needed. As to the Lam/Landry moments feeling rushed, I didnt feel that way except for wishing that we had more time to explore that. I didnt feel this ep was bad but I do understand your issues with it.

Bragi
March 3rd, 2007, 09:30 PM
I just loved the comment about the SGC "doing so much for this network of planets" and that they should really be getting the support they deserve. The whole rest of the episode could have been pantomimed with clowns and it would have been great, just because of that jab at Sci-Fi.

Also, the very end was great. . . especially since my school just put on the Virginia Dialogues, and every freaking year they put flyers and chalk-graffiti everywhere on campus letting everyone know.

Although I did find myself asking at one point "wait. . . . so how long was Vala host to Qetesh?"

I've also noticed in the last three seasons that the producers have decided to show a much more complex galactic society that apparently existed during the Goa'uld era.

Mitchell82
March 4th, 2007, 10:40 AM
I just loved the comment about the SGC "doing so much for this network of planets" and that they should really be getting the support they deserve. The whole rest of the episode could have been pantomimed with clowns and it would have been great, just because of that jab at Sci-Fi.

Also, the very end was great. . . especially since my school just put on the Virginia Dialogues, and every freaking year they put flyers and chalk-graffiti everywhere on campus letting everyone know.

Although I did find myself asking at one point "wait. . . . so how long was Vala host to Qetesh?"

I've also noticed in the last three seasons that the producers have decided to show a much more complex galactic society that apparently existed during the Goa'uld era.

Yeah the jab at scifi is priceless. Also I've noticed that too about the galactic societies and I like that they established that.

mrbinky3000
March 5th, 2007, 11:56 AM
The whole episode counteracts tons of backstory on Valla. Wasn't she supposed to have been Goa'uld for some time? Don't they live for very long periods of time--like eons! How did her father survive? Plus, she mentioned that her education consisted of killing some crime boss in that class reunion episode. Doesn't sound like she stayed put for very long.

Bahh. This episode screws with character development instead of enhancing it.

The best part of the whole thing was the ending scene with Teal'c. That was honestly hilarious.

1/10 for the whole episode.

9/10 for the last minute of the episode with Teal'c.

jenks
March 5th, 2007, 12:43 PM
The whole episode counteracts tons of backstory on Valla. Wasn't she supposed to have been Goa'uld for some time? Don't they live for very long periods of time--like eons! How did her father survive? Plus, she mentioned that her education consisted of killing some crime boss in that class reunion episode. Doesn't sound like she stayed put for very long.

Bahh. This episode screws with character development instead of enhancing it.

The best part of the whole thing was the ending scene with Teal'c. That was honestly hilarious.

1/10 for the whole episode.

9/10 for the last minute of the episode with Teal'c.

She was a Goa'uld for some time, we don't know how long.

meredithchandler73
March 5th, 2007, 12:51 PM
I haven't read all the posts in this thread so I don't doubt that I'll be echoing other people's feelings. I'll apologize in advance for rambling.

Not a great episode, but there was enough in it to like that I would watch it again. Frankly, I think I watched the first minute and a half about 20 times. Sam and Vala are two very beautiful women. It's nice when they can show that off. Sam and Vala haven't had the kind of emotional scenes that Vala and Daniel have had together (Memento Mori) or even Sam and Cameron (Line in the Sand), but I'll take the girly stuff. They just...looked so great walking down that hallway!

Too bad Sam and Vala didn't get all dressed up to go see The Vagina Monologues and notice Teal'c there...

First off - I totally knew that Jasek's line about the Virginia Dialogues was supposed to be him bumbling the name of the actual show. I thought that was hilarious given the timing of Amanda's taking part in V-Day this past weekend. I totally wasn't expecting the ending. Hilarious.

Loved to see how Vala has really become part of the team. Loved how Vala confronted her father and warned him that she would not let him screw up what she has built here.

Claudia Black was excellent in this episode. Actually, there was a lot of great interaction between all the characters and I think everyone's acting was great - except for Fred Willard. Not that he was awful, but I think there could have been someone better for the part. I like him in the Christopher Guest movies, but he just wasn't all that funny. If he was going to be a con artist, you'd think he'd be a bit more charming or smoother, wouldn't you? He just screams "used car salesman" to me. I don't see him convincing anyone to do anything. And I wished that there were hints that he wanted to reconcile with Vala and to change. Was Vala really supposed to almost start trusting him again? I guess I wanted him to be more like a male version of the "old" Vala. The image that popped into my head was of Michael Caine from Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

I *totally* didn't get the hidden references to the SciFi channel in the scene between Sam and Jasek! It went completely over my head. Someone else mentioned how pointedly Sam said her line(s). I did notice that...and I thought Sam was laying it on thick to set up some sort of scam on Jasek! I mean, it was becoming obvious that he couldn't be trusted. (Well, I was sorta right about scamming Jasek.) I just went back to look at the scene again - Dr. Lee even yells, "Eureka!" - how could I have missed this?

I did chuckle at Cam's line about a show being cancelled and not realizing the new season had started yet.

Loved Vala in curlers. I know other Farscape fans were remembering Claudia in curlers before (as Dr. Bettina Fairchild).

The Landry/Lam storyline - I could take it or leave it. Just having Landry talking to Vala about understanding the absentee father syndrome was nice. I guess I felt it was kinda weird because it was SUCH a long time ago that they referenced Landry and his family.

Speaking of family, it's a shame that we didn't have Sam talking to Vala about Jacob. Sam's relationship with her father wasn't always a rosy one. I think the writers missed a great opportunity there. And yeah, I just want more Sam and Vala interaction.

Those are all the random thoughts I can think of right now.

Mitchell82
March 5th, 2007, 04:05 PM
I haven't read all the posts in this thread so I don't doubt that I'll be echoing other people's feelings. I'll apologize in advance for rambling.

Not a great episode, but there was enough in it to like that I would watch it again. Frankly, I think I watched the first minute and a half about 20 times. Sam and Vala are two very beautiful women. It's nice when they can show that off. Sam and Vala haven't had the kind of emotional scenes that Vala and Daniel have had together (Memento MorI) or even Sam and Cameron (Line in the Sand), but I'll take the girly stuff. They just...looked so great walking down that hallway!

Too bad Sam and Vala didn't get all dressed up to go see The Vagina Monologues and notice Teal'c there...

First off - I totally knew that Jasek's line about the Virginia Dialogues was supposed to be him bumbling the name of the actual show. I thought that was hilarious given the timing of Amanda's taking part in V-Day this past weekend. I totally wasn't expecting the ending. Hilarious.

Loved to see how Vala has really become part of the team. Loved how Vala confronted her father and warned him that she would not let him screw up what she has built here.

Claudia Black was excellent in this episode. Actually, there was a lot of great interaction between all the characters and I think everyone's acting was great - except for Fred Willard. Not that he was awful, but I think there could have been someone better for the part. I like him in the Christopher Guest movies, but he just wasn't all that funny. If he was going to be a con artist, you'd think he'd be a bit more charming or smoother, wouldn't you? He just screams "used car salesman" to me. I don't see him convincing anyone to do anything. And I wished that there were hints that he wanted to reconcile with Vala and to change. Was Vala really supposed to almost start trusting him again? I guess I wanted him to be more like a male version of the "old" Vala. The image that popped into my head of Michael Caine from Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

I *totally* didn't get the hidden references to the SciFi channel in the scene between Sam and Jasek! It went completely over my head. Someone else mentioned how pointedly Sam said her line(s). I did notice that...and I thought Sam was laying it on thick to set up some sort of scam on Jasek! I mean, it was becoming obvious that he couldn't be trusted. (Well, I was sorta right about scamming Jasek.) I just went back to look at the scene again - Dr. Lee even yells, "Eureka!" - how could I have missed this?

I did chuckle at Cam's line about a show being cancelled and not realizing the new season had started yet.

Loved Vala in curlers. I know other Farscape fans were remembering Claudia in curlers before (as Dr. Bettina Fairchild).

The Landry/Lam storyline - I could take it or leave it. Just having Landry talking to Vala about understanding the absentee father syndrome was nice. I guess I felt it was kinda weird because it was SUCH a long time ago that they referenced Landry and his family.

Speaking of family, it's a shame that we didn't have Sam talking to Vala about Jacob. Sam's relationship with her father wasn't always a rosy one. I think the writers missed a great opportunity there. And yeah, I just want more Sam and Vala interaction.

Those are all the random thoughts I can think of right now.

Good points and I agree that while this isnt the best episode it is still a very good one IMO. I truly liked the Lam/Landry interaction and his own feelings helping Vala. About Jacob I think it was best to leave that out. The best they could have done was mention him or have him appear in a dream and I don't see how that would have helped the ep, as I think it would upset sam. Agree about more Sam/Vala interaction though.

Matt G
March 6th, 2007, 02:58 PM
OK...

1. Sam + Vala works!

2. Lexa Doig screentime works(for me at least! ;) )

3. However cliched dodgy geezers don't work.

4. And neither does the Landry family B-plot.

3+4 outranked 1+2. Talion throws this in the shredder.

TwiceBorn
March 9th, 2007, 03:08 PM
Interesting episode, lame at times. It had other problems.

I'd say it wasn't up to par with the rest of the season.

It's the fifth average episode in season 10, all the rest have been great.

Quote of the ep: "I'll just file that away till later." :vala:

KindlyKeller
March 13th, 2007, 11:43 PM
Come on, people. This was good fun. And I don't know why everyone's hating on Fred Willard. He was hilarious.

ColCaldwell
March 14th, 2007, 11:15 PM
HAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH the ending with Teal'C was worth the episode! HAAHAHHA

dec55
March 19th, 2007, 09:48 PM
I can't wait to see this eppy...:)