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IWKYZerocool
February 13th, 2007, 12:58 PM
Now that was an episode that was different, liked how Jackson was playing the boss.

Also with Vala thinking she is so good as a thief aswell.


Sorry did not know there was a thread already about this, admin can you close this thread.

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
February 13th, 2007, 01:51 PM
I thought this ep was hilarious! :D

Did anyone else think that the security guard was a 24/Jack Bauer parody?

Fifer
February 13th, 2007, 01:51 PM
As usual i missed it due to my weekly session of 5-a-side. Was it any good? The synopsis of the episode didn't have me too excited about it.

Happenstance
February 13th, 2007, 01:52 PM
This was actually another episode that I wasnt expecting to like after reading the synopsis but was pleasantly suprised.

Nice bits of humour in the episode and I was waiting for the Die Hard references to begin. Good to see them using previously introduced items like the Naquadah bomb, shame we didnt get to see more around the museum.

nerus
February 13th, 2007, 02:02 PM
Not a bad episode didn't see the significance of the storyline was but i liked it. But the only problem I had was the way cam was acting, he seemed to act like he was a rebel rather than trying to talk to people like daniel did he seemed to reinforce the hostages view of them them being rebels.

kirmit
February 13th, 2007, 02:06 PM
it was alright but lacked substance I thought, it would've made it 100 times better if they did actually find the ancient weapons etc.

bob_ffc
February 13th, 2007, 02:09 PM
do we know why amanda tapping wasnt in it??

nerus
February 13th, 2007, 02:13 PM
it was alright but lacked substance I thought, it would've made it 100 times better if they did actually find the ancient weapons etc.

We will never find ancient weapons when we need them, also i think that the writers like to keep that sort of thing for Atlantis, anyway we have two ancient weapons that have helped us and that was the dakara weapon(GONE) and the outpost.

beale947
February 13th, 2007, 02:14 PM
Was a very funny episode:P
It was a very good episode, with loads of funny parts in it.
Daniel pretending to be a hardcore terrorist/hostage taker:P And teal'c aswell, he is good at that.
That security guard was definatly a jack bauer wannabe:P And vala pretending to be a know it all criminal, but really isn't. Especiallity sinse she activated that naquada bomb and couldn't turn it off:P

A good episode with loads of funny parts in it. But the ending was a bit weak, where they were just let go and the gate is burried. And th beginning, havn't we gone down the whole 'Advanced cache of powerful ancient weapons' before *Cough* Season7 *cough*

I give it 8.5/10

mancslad08
February 13th, 2007, 02:19 PM
Yet another awful episode of SG-1. Cringe-worthy every 3 secs.

Bad points:

- Woman screaming. Was that supposed to be funny?
- Vala having one of those glass cutter things with her. Does TPTB think we're really that stupid?
- Pathetic security guard actor/character.
- Dull storyline
- Bunch of aliens who are pretty much identical to us
- Girls b1tching at each other... wtf???
- Daniel, not sure what the actor was smoking when he filmed this ep
- Ending. Over in 3 seconds.
- Yet another 'hey I managed to figure out a gate address to a planet with a large supply of ancient stuff' episode
- Hooking a bomb up to a stargate? Please.
- Cheap drama factor: a ticking bomb
- Did I mention boooooooring.
- A waste of an episode.
- Another ep where a main character is missing.
- Camp secondary character guy. Horrible actor, horrible characterisation.
- Not funny except for a few Vala bits.

Good stuff:

- a few of Vala's one liners
- at least it wasn't another medieval village for the ten billionth time.
- ummm... it only lasted 45 minutes?

I'd be more forgiving if the episode before this one (Bounty) wasn't garbage as well.

You'd think with the series finale approaching they might want to tie up loose ends, show us taking the fight to the Ori themselves. Please god let them not all be dead after the ep a couple of weeks back. If that's the case, I really give up on this once amazing show.

Pure, pointless, cringeworthy 5hite 'Bad Guys' was.

1/10.

Admiral Mappalazarou
February 13th, 2007, 02:21 PM
One of the best episodes this season, the Die Hard parody was hysterical and the fact that they hired the sae actor who plays the cop in DIE HARD to play the outside-cop in this ep - it was hysterical and Ben Browder actually helped write it too.

GREAT EPISODE!!!!:D

Matt G
February 13th, 2007, 02:24 PM
Right...

1. Landry clearly liked the idea of being President in an AU!

2. Liked the idea of Mitchell convincing Daniel that the truth wouldn't work on this occassion.

3. Still think Daniel looked slightly petty concerning the hostages attitude...but him not knowing Die Hard was a good one.

4. Vala's little Show and tell worked as well.

5. The security guard was definately a Die Hard parody, they hung a lantern on that one!

Overall, better than Bounty, definately got toasted by the Shroud though!

nerus
February 13th, 2007, 02:26 PM
My only problem with these episodes is that in The Shroud we learn't that the Ori have sent several more ships into our galaxy and they have the power to send more and we have episodes which deals with people who yet again don't know about the stargate etc, come on how many more of these episodes do we need, we should be out their trying to find advance weapons in which to defend ourselves. The episode, if it wasn't for the humor then I would say that it is the worse episode to deal with the Ori series this is the reason the show is being cancelled boring episodes.

Anubis69
February 13th, 2007, 02:27 PM
For the first time in... quite a while i actually believed in that society. It seemed real. Even if the security guard got right on my wick. All the main characters were on form, especially Daniel (his negotiation was particularly amusing) and the guest role of... I can't remember his name, the head negotiator guy was awesome.

Although, the most alarming part, once again, is that the massive Ori fleet now present in the galaxy wasn't mentioned once.. :confused:

Anyway, i thought it was a good episode. Certainly better than Bounty but i'd rather they got back onto the Ori storyline.

spaceangel
February 13th, 2007, 02:28 PM
Oh man, I absolutely hated this one. I have been trying to figure out why because I can see that it had its funny moments. After some deliberation I have come to the conclusion that it was Daniel....he is SO unlike any incarnation of Daniel that we have seen so far. I actually didn't like him and that has got to be a first for me. In fact the museum researcher was more like Daniel was (or use to be) than Daniel was, if you get my drift. I can see all sorts of problems for that world once he gets going, just as Daniel would do if the situations were reversed.
I guess I will just have to do what I have had so much practise doing and that is replay the ep in my mind with my old favourite , gentle peacemaker Daniel instead of cranky, downright on the edge Daniel.
Just to ad that if Sky one spoilers are to be believe we have an ep involving the Ori coming up next week.

flynn1959
February 13th, 2007, 02:29 PM
Another good episode, it was a fun,standalone romp. The team went through the gate!! Together, exploring...how often does that happen these days! Loved Daniel as a rebel, loved that Teal'c got the Die Hard reference but Daniel didn't. Loved that Vala got to do all the science stuff and got the Gate working, smart girl. Mitchell was good too and now it's clear to me just who leads SG1... Daniel.

Loved the scene at the end back on Earth when they all look towards the Gate, good stuff. I can't believe it is almost at an end. So much crap on tv and this is the show they cancel...why?

flynn1959
February 13th, 2007, 02:33 PM
Oh man, I absolutely hated this one. I have been trying to figure out why because I can see that it had its funny moments. After some deliberation I have come to the conclusion that it was Daniel....he is SO unlike any incarnation of Daniel that we have seen so far. I actually didn't like him and that has got to be a first for me. In fact the museum researcher was more like Daniel was (or use to be) than Daniel was, if you get my drift. I can see all sorts of problems for that world once he gets going, just as Daniel would do if the situations were reversed.
I guess I will just have to do what I have had so much practise doing and that is replay the ep in my mind with my old favourite , gentle peacemaker Daniel instead of cranky, downright on the edge Daniel.
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That was the whole point though...he had to be so out of character in the situation. It was sureal, an actor playing a character, playing a character and MS did it so well, as usual. If Daniel had been himself they would probably end up dead.He had to stall.

mancslad08
February 13th, 2007, 02:35 PM
Yes but unfortunately his acting in this episode was awful.

MasterPower
February 13th, 2007, 02:37 PM
Any pictures of the episode?

Serebii
February 13th, 2007, 02:39 PM
Any pictures of the episode?
Good ep, enjoyed it loads. The inhabitants of the planet felt very real and almost Earth like...was great.

Did Daniel seem rather Orange to anyone or was that just me?

spaceangel
February 13th, 2007, 02:40 PM
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That was the whole point though...he had to be so out of character in the situation. It was sureal, an actor playing a character, playing a character and MS did it so well, as usual. If Daniel had been himself they would probably end up dead.He had to stall.

No I get that bit. I'm thinking about before that, when thay were deciding on a plan of action. The words were what Daniel would say but he just didn't say them how he usually would. He was pretty angry.

flynn1959
February 13th, 2007, 02:41 PM
Yes but unfortunately his acting in this episode was awful.


Awfully good, yes. As were they all.

mancslad08
February 13th, 2007, 02:41 PM
Good ep, enjoyed it loads. The inhabitants of the planet felt very real and almost Earth like...was great.


Yes they were exactly like people from Earth, done to how they speak, b1tch, talk, make museums, hold guns...

In fact, no creativity whatsoever went into writing them!!

But then after all the village townspeople we've been subjected to on SG-1 and Atlantis this year at least it makes a change.

mancslad08
February 13th, 2007, 02:42 PM
Awfully good, yes. As were they all.

No no, just awful.

Integrabyte
February 13th, 2007, 02:42 PM
I am speechless and not in a good way :( :( . It is funny, I expected Bounty to be bad, yet, this one was worse. I was looking forward the whole weekend, even put my Skybox to record. Guess I did it for nothing ...I don't think a few funny lines from Daniel will change the fact that I wasted 45 minutes of my time and had to endure those stupid Yellow Pages commercials on Sky One....

Indum'kra
February 13th, 2007, 02:43 PM
Top three moments:

-Daniel splitting up the fighting women, then them not taking him seriously. Poor Danny, he's too nice for his own good :daniel:
-Teal'c zating the chancellor (I think) then trying to sound calm, but instead accidentaly sounds like a bad guy :tealcanime51:
-"I don't think I can switch off this bomb.":valaanime06:
"You switched the bomb on?":cameron08:

Also liked the weapons and uniforms, very unique.

Didn't like that that stupid security guard though. I nearly yelled with glee when they gagged him.

Overall, 7/10

SGFerrit
February 13th, 2007, 02:43 PM
Did Daniel seem rather Orange to anyone or was that just me?

I said the exact same thing to my dad

mancslad08
February 13th, 2007, 02:44 PM
I am speechless and not in a good way :( :( . It is funny, I expected Bounty to be bad, yet, this one was worse. I was looking forward the whole weekend, even put my Skybox to record. Guess I did it for nothing ...I don't think a few funny lines from Daniel will change the fact that I wasted 45 minutes of my time and had to endure those stupid Yellow Pages commercials on Sky One....


Yeah this ep was pretty [email protected] wasn't it. I think Bounty was worse though personally.

flynn1959
February 13th, 2007, 02:44 PM
No I get that bit. I'm thinking about before that, when thay were deciding on a plan of action. The words were what Daniel would say but he just didn't say them how he usually would. He was pretty angry.

Ah, sorry. I think he could see it all going wrong. That they might end up stuck on the planet or faced with a first contact situation like in the episode New Ground.

mancslad08
February 13th, 2007, 02:45 PM
Also liked the weapons and uniforms, very unique.


The weapons that looked exactly like guns from Earth?

flynn1959
February 13th, 2007, 02:47 PM
I said the exact same thing to my dad


They all looked a bit orange on my tv too.

Anubis69
February 13th, 2007, 02:48 PM
Did Daniel seem rather Orange to anyone or was that just me?
Yeah. 1) Either he got a good tan on holiday or 2) and the one i want to believe:

"You know when you've been tangoed!"

bcfc
February 13th, 2007, 02:48 PM
Ok it wasnt that bad definately better than Bounty but could have had a better plot than them just taking hostages. I thought Vala wasnt too bad in this either which is strange. Teal'c didnt have much of a role again this week hopefully next week will rectify that.

6/10

Has anyone got any ideas what the ratings are for this season? So far.

flynn1959
February 13th, 2007, 02:49 PM
No no, just awful.

Well, why watch then?It was a lot better than all the boring Ori stuff SG1 are explorers after all and it was great to see them use the Gate again for just that.

Indum'kra
February 13th, 2007, 02:50 PM
The weapons that looked exactly like guns from Earth?

I mean the security guards four-barreled handgun. And the non-earthlike uniforms.

mancslad08
February 13th, 2007, 02:51 PM
Well, why watch then?It was a lot better than all the boring Ori stuff SG1 are explorers after all and it was great to see them use the Gate again for just that.

Because I need to watch in the first place to see that Shank's acting was bad?


Boring Ori stuff?

Boring?

Drama, excitement, plot twists, strong characters, evil, space battles?

Compare that to... high school reunions, cringeworthy hostage episodes in a museum that pretty much looks exactly like Earth, and erm, Vala working in a cafe.

flynn1959
February 13th, 2007, 02:52 PM
The weapons that looked exactly like guns from Earth?

I don't recall seeing an Earth weapon with four small chambers in the barrel.

pbellosom
February 13th, 2007, 02:52 PM
This was actually another episode that I wasnt expecting to like after reading the synopsis but was pleasantly suprised.


I agree, in fact the episode I thought i'd like the most from the synopsises I actually liked the least. This one was great.


- Vala having one of those glass cutter things with her. Does TPTB think we're really that stupid?


Where did she put it?

I do find it hard to believe though that they wouldeb't recognise the bomb as one, I mean surely some archeologist would have thought to have opened it up to see inside, or at least X-Rayed it.


I wasted 45 minutes of my time and had to endure those stupid Yellow Pages commercials on Sky One....

I hate those so much.

Indum'kra
February 13th, 2007, 02:55 PM
I hate those so much.

Am I alone in likeing those ads? :(


Ah the identical gun, just with four holes. Got it now.

If you can come up with another efficient weapon design that another culture may create, I'd like to see it.

flynn1959
February 13th, 2007, 02:55 PM
Boring Ori stuff?

Boring?

Drama, excitement, plot twists, strong characters, evil, space battles?

Compare that to... high school reunions, cringeworthy hostage episodes in a museum that pretty much looks exactly like Earth, and erm, Vala working in a cafe.

Ori that we see as what? Fire, ooh scary! Hard to see a strong character when all they are are flames.

mancslad08
February 13th, 2007, 02:56 PM
Ori that we see as what? Fire, ooh scary! Hard to see a strong character when all they are are flames.

Better than 99% of the other 'actors'/'characters' we get every episode.

spaceangel
February 13th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Ah, sorry. I think he could see it all going wrong. That they might end up stuck on the planet or faced with a first contact situation like in the episode New Ground.

Yes I can see that too. You are helping me come to terms with a rather bad- mannered Daniel and for that I am grateful! But I will have to work hard at it for the splitting up the arguing women scene. Even trying to be a hard a** I don't think Daniel would be so rude.

flynn1959
February 13th, 2007, 03:00 PM
Yes I can see that too. You are helping me come to terms with a rather bad- mannered Daniel and for that I am grateful! But I will have to work hard at it for the splitting up the arguing women scene. Even trying to be a hard a** I don't think Daniel would be so rude.

LOL! I though he was exasperated at them! He really doesn't understand women at all, does he. Fighting over a man when for all they knew thier lives were in danger.

spaceangel
February 13th, 2007, 03:03 PM
LOL! I though he was exasperated at them! He really doesn't understand women at all, does he. Fighting over a man when for all they knew thier lives were in danger.

Yeah...he truly doesn't.

Shipperahoy
February 13th, 2007, 03:03 PM
Just a reminder that debate is all well and good and people are more than welcome to discuss and debate why they loved or hated the episode but please don't let it descend in to disrespecting poeple's opinion or the people themselves. Thanks.

SGFerrit
February 13th, 2007, 03:03 PM
And yes, the numerous gateworld reports as to how the ratings are getting progressively worse.

No wonder the show was cancelled.

The sci fi ratings that ended considerably higher for the end of the first half then they were at the start, and outshone Sci Fi's wonder child BSG?

Yeah, I totally see what you are getting at there... what the hell is he talking about???

Indum'kra
February 13th, 2007, 03:04 PM
LOL! I though he was exasperated at them! He really doesn't understand women at all, does he. Fighting over a man when for all they knew thier lives were in danger.

Daniel certainly seems to have a less patience in recent seasons-namely when dealing with Vala or 200 when he was wondering why he was stuck there proofreading Marvin's script. It would explain why he was faster to anger in this episode.

It's Vala, I know it. Didn't his mother ever tell him to stay away from the influence of alien criminal women? ;)

flynn1959
February 13th, 2007, 03:08 PM
Daniel certainly seems to have a less patience in recent seasons-namely when dealing with Vala or 200 when he was wondering why he was stuck there proofreading Marvin's script. It would explain why he was faster to anger in this episode.

It's Vala, I know it. Didn't his mother ever tell him to stay away from the influence of alien criminal women? ;)

He missed that bit, she slipped it in between the warnings about not taking sweets from strange men and looking both ways when you cross the road.

Indum'kra
February 13th, 2007, 03:11 PM
He missed that bit, she slipped it in between the warnings about not taking sweets from strange men and looking both ways when you cross the road.

Or her advice about marrying women who live several thousand light years away (does horror for your phone calls)...or opening up inter-planetary gateways and ticking off some hostile aliens.

Yeah, Daniel never listened as a child.

spaceangel
February 13th, 2007, 03:15 PM
Can you tell me why you think Daniel was mad with Vala at the end? As they went through the stargate he lifted his hands up as if to strangle her or something silmliar. What did she do to him, they were barely together in this ep.

Indum'kra
February 13th, 2007, 03:16 PM
Can you tell me why you think Daniel was mad with Vala at the end? As they went through the stargate he lifted his hands up as if to strangle her or something silmliar. What did she do to him, they were barely together in this ep.

I didn't notice anything like that. Although Cam might have mentioned the bomb...

iheartvala
February 13th, 2007, 03:25 PM
no screencaps yet?

Col. Shadow Quinn
February 13th, 2007, 03:41 PM
Some screencaps please?

Pegasus_SGA
February 13th, 2007, 03:47 PM
Just when you thought SG1 was on top form once more... *sigh*

I hated it, it was boring, uneventful, no Carter, no Ori, no oomph, no mythology, no sparkle, boring, poorly written and did I mention boring? It didn't even hold my attention...and that's a first for me.

And what was with the woman screaming? OMG she got on my last nerve.

Very very disappointed with this ep, won't be watching it a second time.

Can you give a nil rating?

mancslad08
February 13th, 2007, 03:49 PM
Just when you thought SG1 was on top form once more... *sigh*

I hated it, it was boring, uneventful, no Carter, no Ori, no oomph, no mythology, no sparkle, boring, poorly written and did I mention boring? It didn't even hold my attention...and that's a first for me.

And what was with the woman screaming? OMG she got on my last nerve.

Very very disappointed with this ep, won't be watching it a second time.

Can you give a nil rating?


Well said. As soon as the woman started screaming I knew we were in for a howler of an episode.

-5/10 sound ok to you?

Bounty: -9/10 though

saberhagen83
February 13th, 2007, 04:01 PM
Just when you thought SG1 was on top form once more... *sigh*

I hated it, it was boring, uneventful, no Carter, no Ori, no oomph, no mythology, no sparkle, boring, poorly written and did I mention boring? It didn't even hold my attention...and that's a first for me.

And what was with the woman screaming? OMG she got on my last nerve.

Very very disappointed with this ep, won't be watching it a second time.

Can you give a nil rating?

Well said, I was just going to post something like that. And here I thought the show couldn't get any worse, I think this was one of the worst eps I've seen of the show. It feels the show has become a parody of itself.

I'm watching the 1st season on TV everyday as they have finally started to show it here in Sweden, and then I watch this one tonight and I can't help to think about what they have done to this once so great show. :( I thought with "Line in the sand" & "Road not taken" that this season might have got a bit back on track...that's what you get when you get your hopes up just a little.

Dave C
February 13th, 2007, 04:07 PM
I actually thought this was ok but not great, but damn give teal'c more to do

Kpnuts if you are reading this the reason we get eps like Bounty and Bad Guys are because casual viewers (not fans like us on these boards) like to see some lighter episodes after perhaps a heavy week at work. i would also like to see more of the sort of quality as from QPt2, LITS, TRNT ande TS but tv doesn't work like that. i would say relax as Talion looks good and Teal'c gets the chance to shine

Franklyn Blaze
February 13th, 2007, 04:09 PM
We will never find ancient weapons when we need them, also i think that the writers like to keep that sort of thing for Atlantis, anyway we have two ancient weapons that have helped us and that was the dakara weapon(GONE) and the outpost.

Your entire post contradicts itself. We found two ancient weapons when we needed them.

Starxgate
February 13th, 2007, 04:16 PM
Ben Browder helped write this episode :P

Popeston
February 13th, 2007, 04:19 PM
Ah, this episode wasn't great but it wasn't terrible.
I liked the fact they gave some sort of explanation why they were going to the planet as opposed to the sudden idea to annoy the Lucien alliance in Bounty.
Also, Goa'uld Bomb! Which are tricky to turn off as always.
It had funny moments like
"We're not going to kill anyone....er... unless you get cute with us! Then there's going to be some killing!"
And
"There's a 70% chance the wormhole will engage and a 50% chance the bomb will explode"
"...that's a 120%"
"Well that includes an overlap of 20% where the wormhole engages and the bomb explodes"

But why was everyone on that planet so stupid?
I mean really.
Also, when did this "naquadah generator and laptop with dialing program" appear as a way of using the gate with no DHD?

But you know it was a fun enough episode so I forgive it.
It did have Goa'uld bomb and all.

Kracker
February 13th, 2007, 04:26 PM
Can you tell me why you think Daniel was mad with Vala at the end? As they went through the stargate he lifted his hands up as if to strangle her or something silmliar. What did she do to him, they were barely together in this ep.

Flirting man, flirting. ;)

Thought this ep was good, very funny and an enjoyable 45 mins.

Starxgate
February 13th, 2007, 04:28 PM
The people were idiots on the planet. But SG-1 was funny. Especially Daniel yelling at the hostages throughout the episode ;)

madaboutdanny
February 13th, 2007, 04:48 PM
For me the best of this ep. is....NO CARTER!!!!:P After LITS and TRNT I was really bored of her caracther! Sorry for Sam's fans, but in this season, I don't know why very well, I don't like her:(

Franklyn Blaze
February 13th, 2007, 04:52 PM
^ It was actually cool to see them work out a solution without carter. It would have been too easy for her and the ep would have suffered.

Starxgate
February 13th, 2007, 04:55 PM
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Red_Rabbit
February 13th, 2007, 04:59 PM
Great Ep, the second half of the season keeps getting better and better, it seems like for the second half the writers and directors have really brought back the essence of SG1. I was nice to see them have to figure something out without Carter and you could see how they were struggling. It was also nice to see an advanced society at almost the same level as Earth currently is.

Franklyn Blaze
February 13th, 2007, 05:03 PM
^ Ya I liked the no primitive village thing too.

Starxgate
February 13th, 2007, 05:17 PM
Carter was not in this episode because she was telling the President what it was like in the Alternate Reality with the public knowing about the Stargate & the SGC now has a way to hide the Earth from the rest of the galaxy. Why would the President of the United States want to hear what Carter had to say if they are not planning something ?

Stef
February 13th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Some posters aside, I LOVED this episode. It's like a final fun episode before we head into the seriousness of the final four (plus the first movie).

It did something that I didn't think I'd see on SG-1....Daniel being funny! Normally he plays the straight man to everyone else, so I was pleasantly surprised to see MS get a chance to really be funny on his own....and he certainly had me laughing! He had so many priceless moments...my favorite?


[hostage catfight]
Daniel: What the hell are you DOING?! STOP IT!!
Girl #1: She started it.
Girl #2: I think you started it when you kissed Hamon *don't know the name*.
Daniel: Shut up. Shut up. You're hostages! This is like a life and death situation here. Start acting like it.
Girl #2: Oh please, you're not rebels. We're not deaf you know, everyone in this room knows it.
Daniel: That doesn't matter. You're hostages, we're your captors. We're heavily armed! T-There's rules. There's a whole school of etiquette to this. [girl stares at him] Don't eyeball me.

MS played this scene wonderfully as Daniel tried to convince/beg the women to be afraid and act like hostages. Just a wonderful surprise. Plus, we got some nice moments between characters, like Vala and Cam...Daniel/Teal'c....Vala/Daniel even :)

We also got to finally see Vala's skills put to some use! She's, of course, no Sam but it was nice to see she does have some knowledge of technology that can benefit the team. Plus, her whole step-by-step of the theiving process was funny...especially when Cam accuses her of rushes it. She managed to be funny and a contributing member of the team. Who knew?

Oh...and loved the McClaine/Baur guy...especially when Cam and Vala just sneaked up behind him and sat there for a few seconds waiting for him to realize it.

Overall, I really enjoyed this episode: 10/10

-Stef

madaboutdanny
February 13th, 2007, 06:47 PM
Some posters aside, I LOVED this episode. It's like a final fun episode before we head into the seriousness of the final four (plus the first movie).

It did something that I didn't think I'd see on SG-1....Daniel being funny! Normally he plays the straight man to everyone else, so I was pleasantly surprised to see MS get a chance to really be funny on his own....and he certainly had me laughing! He had so many priceless moments...my favorite?


[hostage catfight]
Daniel: What the hell are you DOING?! STOP IT!!
Girl #1: She started it.
Girl #2: I think you started it when you kissed Hamon *don't know the name*.
Daniel: Shut up. Shut up. You're hostages! This is like a life and death situation here. Start acting like it.
Girl #2: Oh please, you're not rebels. We're not deaf you know, everyone in this room knows it.
Daniel: That doesn't matter. You're hostages, we're your captors. We're heavily armed! T-There's rules. There's a whole school of edicate to this. [girls stares at him] Don't eyeball me.

MS played this scene wonderfully as Daniel tried to convince/beg the women to be afraid and act like hostages. Just a wonderful surprise. Plus, we got some nice moments between characters, like Vala and Cam...Daniel/Teal'c....Vala/Daniel even :)

We also got to finally see Vala's skills put to some use! She's, of course, no Sam but it was nice to see she does have some knowledge of technology that can benefit the team. Plus, her whole step-by-step of the theiving process was funny...especially when Cam accuses her of rushes it. She managed to be funny and a contributing member of the team. Who knew?

Oh...and loved the McClaine/Baur guy...especially when Cam and Vala just sneaked up behind him and sat there for a few seconds waiting for him to realize it.

Overall, I really enjoyed this episode: 10/10

-Stef
Hi Stef! It's nice to meet you here!!! Michael Shanks is allways good!:P

esoap524
February 13th, 2007, 06:48 PM
the comments about the last episodes remind me a lot of the last episodes of The Xfiles (I haven't seen this one yet). Remember the 2nd to the last was about The Brady Bunch house?? Gotta say, Bounty wasn't nearly as bad as that one.

I figure there's a 2 hour movie in the future that will deal with all this stuff. Right?

esoap524
February 13th, 2007, 06:56 PM
Ben Browder helped write this episode :P

I think he pitched the idea, or an idea, but he didn't actually write any of it...that's my understanding from an interview I read.

jonno
February 13th, 2007, 07:53 PM
Forgive me if, 4 episodes from the end of the series, I'd rather have properly directed/written episodes that either tie up loose ends or advance the Ori storyline.

Just a little point - it may well have been completed, or too far along in production, before the cancellation. Too late to change (the show has a budget - which certainly wouldn't allow for a shot ep to to be re-done), and at a point where they were consolidating with filler type eps. Remember, it isn't Lost or 24 where an entire season revolves around the main story. Stargate was always more to do with single eps, exploring planets.


Also, to the general you - people are perfectly entitled to hate every episode they watch. And they're perfectly entitled to say so, within the bounds of the rules. Yes those posts often seem out of place, and hostile. They're technically allowed, so you've got to learn to tolerate them. People see things very differently. I, personally don't agree with kpnuts - i still enjoy watching - but i can see where he comes from a lot of the time, particularly in respect to the general trend of having poor, fuzzy writing in a lot of episodes. Fortunately for me, i can overlook those, and just enjoy the surface product without looking too deep for the plotholes - but i can also see why they might infuriate another person.

If those uber-anti comments annoy you too much, ignore them. Baiting each other publically never helps.

Callista
February 13th, 2007, 08:01 PM
Just a little point - it may well have been completed, or too far along in production, before the cancellation. Too late to change (the show has a budget - which certainly wouldn't allow for a shot ep to to be re-done), and at a point where they were consolidating with filler type eps. Remember, it isn't Lost or 24 where an entire season revolves around the main story. Stargate was always more to do with single eps, exploring planets.



Actually, I think this was the episode they were filming either the week they heard about the cancellation or the week after. Definitely not enough time to make any changes.

jenks
February 13th, 2007, 08:04 PM
My only problem with these episodes is that in The Shroud we learn't that the Ori have sent several more ships into our galaxy and they have the power to send more and we have episodes which deals with people who yet again don't know about the stargate etc, come on how many more of these episodes do we need, we should be out their trying to find advance weapons in which to defend ourselves. The episode, if it wasn't for the humor then I would say that it is the worse episode to deal with the Ori series this is the reason the show is being cancelled boring episodes.

Isn't that exactly what they were doing?

langdonboom
February 13th, 2007, 08:04 PM
Another post-Stargate Stargate episode -- I happened to really enjoy it, and sure, its not taking Stargate very seriously at all anymore, but there is still enough of a bone thrown to the original concept (I always love the first contact goes bad episodes) and the new baddies, and even though (as I've said numerous times here) I do miss the show taking itself more seriously, this was good fun and a great chance for some silliness in the Stargate universe.

Stargate is dead! Long live Stargate!

Maltrancko
February 13th, 2007, 08:07 PM
because it makes a thrilling conversation over a lovely brunch?

jenks
February 13th, 2007, 08:13 PM
Carter was not in this episode because she was telling the President what it was like in the Alternate Reality with the public knowing about the Stargate & the SGC now has a way to hide the Earth from the rest of the galaxy. Why would the President of the United States want to hear what Carter had to say if they are not planning something ?

Because he just wanted to know? The briefing would probably discourage him from revealing the program anyway...

In reality it was probably just thought up for an explanation as to why Carter was not in the episode...

langdonboom
February 13th, 2007, 08:14 PM
- Woman screaming. Was that supposed to be funny?
- Vala having one of those glass cutter things with her. Does TPTB think we're really that stupid?
- Pathetic security guard actor/character.
- Dull storyline
- Bunch of aliens who are pretty much identical to us
- Girls b1tching at each other... wtf???
- Daniel, not sure what the actor was smoking when he filmed this ep
- Ending. Over in 3 seconds.
- Yet another 'hey I managed to figure out a gate address to a planet with a large supply of ancient stuff' episode
- Hooking a bomb up to a stargate? Please.
- Cheap drama factor: a ticking bomb
- Did I mention boooooooring.
- A waste of an episode.
- Another ep where a main character is missing.
- Camp secondary character guy. Horrible actor, horrible characterisation.
- Not funny except for a few Vala bits.


Don't you (and other who have decried this episode) get it?! Its post-Stargate Stargate -- we are now out of the realm of 1st generation Stargate and we're playing with all the concepts and characterisations of past first-generation "real" Stargate. So I can understand how you'd hate this if you are still clinging to the image of what SG-1 used to be. But we met the end of the Goa'uld and the Replicators, and we found Atlantis -- so much of the weight of the original stories are OVER. Now its time to play.

Sure, the humor is kinda kitchy ("Die Hard...") and its all super tounge-in-cheek but LET GO OF THE PAST and come with me into the new SG-1. We've had 8 good years of Stargate stories with serious stuff, and we do get a little 'galactic doom' from the Ori (but even they are post-Stargate characters) but the show is on borrowed time and has been since RDA left, so I think its high time we all just went with the flow, remembered what we're doing here (watching TV to pass the time enjoyably) and stop clinging to old glories. The producers of this show certainly aren't!



If that's the case, I really give up on this once amazing show.

Good! True 'giving up' would probably result in seeing this show for what it is -- self-referential playtime with the Stargate characters, universe, and concepts.


#
That was the whole point though...he had to be so out of character in the situation. It was sureal, an actor playing a character, playing a character and MS did it so well, as usual. If Daniel had been himself they would probably end up dead.He had to stall.

I'd go one level further! The 'character' of Daniel himself is now a quote or a post-modern version of what he had become over the years. He's Daniel 2.0, a changed man after all the insane stuff he's been through (dying a few times? becoming a prior, etc, etc?) -- there's literally no where else to realistically go with this individual, so he's BOUND to have an 'above it all/seen it all before' attitude about him. Its different, yes, but funny and entertaining in that way that smarmy knowingness can be.


IN CLOSING, I reapeat -- Stargate is dead! Long live Stargate!

Stef
February 13th, 2007, 08:16 PM
Here are some screen captures from the episode (spoilered for size):
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http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/StargateSG-1_10x16_BadGuys200_0003.jpg


-Stef

P-90_177
February 13th, 2007, 08:27 PM
maybe he was considering what would happen if he had to unveil to the world about the stargate in the even the ori attacked. seems to make a lot of sense to me.

majorsal
February 13th, 2007, 08:43 PM
wow... well, reading everyone's thoughts on this ep, i think i'll be giving it a pass. first off, after enduring the sam-less eps of season 9, i don't know if i could purposely go through that again. and secondly, it doesn't sound like daniel was very daniel-like in this ep. (daniel-vala hogging the show has given me a permanent twitch)

what's the next ep?




sally :)

Stef
February 13th, 2007, 08:59 PM
wow... well, reading everyone's thoughts on this ep, i think i'll be giving it a pass. first off, after enduring the sam-less eps of season 9, i don't know if i could purposely go through that again. and secondly, it doesn't sound like daniel was very daniel-like in this ep. (daniel-vala hogging the show has given me a permanent twitch)

what's the next ep?

sally :)

Oh, I wouldn't miss this one. It's a nice, fun little episode. Although, I'll admit that I'm not a Sam-lover (I don't dislike her or anything)...so I can accept her absence easier.

And I still think it's our Daniel, just a less serious side of him...that, honestly, I think he needs to show more often. And Daniel/Vala don't hog the episode. They only share scenes in the first 1/4 of the episode (and that's with Teal'c and Cam as well). I think there was a lot of Daniel but then Cam and Vala kind of split up the rest of the time. Teal'c, of course, didn't do a whole heck of a lot but he had his moments. If your problem is with Vala, if it makes you feel any better, she wasn't as "wacky" as she usually is.

I would say that if you're looking for some laughs, this is a good episode. Better than "Bounty" in terms of that. It's a stand-alone episode, so if you're looking for Ori stuff, obviously, you won't find it here. Just my opinion though.

EDIT: kpnuts, just curious, what was the last episode you actually liked? It seems like every time I come onto an episode thread, you seem to have something negative to say about it. I mean, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion but if you hate what the show has become so much, I wonder why you'd even want to continue watching it.

-Stef

Uber
February 13th, 2007, 09:14 PM
Wow.

What an incredibly bad episode.

I don't even know where to begin except to say that it is now a foregone conclusion that Daniel is no longer capable of stalling for time without sounding like a blithering incompetent idiot. Period. If I wasn't convinced from The Company of Thieves, this definitely sealed the deal.

And what was it with him being so incredibly naive? He's been on this team for NINE years now and used to be significantly more perceptive. I mean, he saw what was going on just like the others, yet he was the only one of the group that had to be convinced that letting the hostages go would be, you know, a bad thing. He apparently was unable to piece this together for himself; and after his extensive experience on SG-1...especially the events of episodes like New Ground and Icon...he has no excuse.

And clearly, Daniel took his whiny pill right before heading offworld. Yikes. And since when does he speak for the team? Did I miss the episode where he was put in charge??? Needless to say, he ruined what little I did enjoy of this episode.

Vala had some cute moments although her carrying a glass cutter made as much sense as the hair dryer from The Quest 1. As in...it didn't. But she did call Teal'c "Muscles" again...and as a Vala/Teal'c shipper, I must squee for that at least.

Mitchell didn't annoy me as much as he usually does...so that's a plus...although the overdose of cultural references is starting to grate.

Plot wise this story had some interesting potential. I was looking forward to seeing how the others would handle getting out of a situation without Sam there to help them figure it out. And that part with Vala, I actually enjoyed her working with the bomb, trying to get it free from the case and such and seeing her rig it to the gate.

But the hostages? What the heck was with the screaming woman? Was that supposed to be funny the same way Novak's hiccups in Prometheus Unbound was supposed to be? Neither of these things were, by the way. Then there's the Barney Fife-esque security guard. *sigh*

And you know, it might have been nice to at least offer the chance to open a dialog with these people. They would have refused of course, or better, the could have agreed then reneged. At least then there would have been a reason to try to contact these people again. You know...us holding out a hand of friendship as a positive gesture after causing such an uproar.

I thought the premise of the story was interesting enough...but I'm afraid the execution was nothing more than a farce.

Thank goodness Carter wasn't around for this meaningless romp/mess.

Stef
February 13th, 2007, 09:35 PM
And clearly, Daniel took his whiny pill right before heading offworld. Yikes. And since when does he speak for the team? Did I miss the episode where he was put in charge??? Needless to say, he ruined what little I did enjoy of this episode.


Well, considering the alternatives.....I'd say Daniel was the best choice. I mean, could you see Teal'c or Vala doing the negotiating? :valaanime06: So the only other person would have been Mitchell. Daniel is supposed to be the expert on cultures, and he's usually the one to deal directly with them (as the sort of diplomat), so it would make sense that he would be the one to try and talk to the police. Plus, I got the sense that Mitchell was already frustrated with the people....so that was probably a reason why he didn't take over.

I happened to really enjoy Daniel in this episode...he had some of my favorite scenes. It was nice to see something different from the character...not the usual serious/annoyed vibe I get from him most of the time.

-Stef

madaboutdanny
February 13th, 2007, 10:41 PM
Wow.

What an incredibly bad episode.

I don't even know where to begin except to say that it is now a foregone conclusion that Daniel is no longer capable of stalling for time without sounding like a blithering incompetent idiot. Period. If I wasn't convinced from The Company of Thieves, this definitely sealed the deal.

And what was it with him being so incredibly naive? He's been on this team for NINE years now and used to be significantly more perceptive. I mean, he saw what was going on just like the others, yet he was the only one of the group that had to be convinced that letting the hostages go would be, you know, a bad thing. He apparently was unable to piece this together for himself; and after his extensive experience on SG-1...especially the events of episodes like New Ground and Icon...he has no excuse.

And clearly, Daniel took his whiny pill right before heading offworld. Yikes. And since when does he speak for the team? Did I miss the episode where he was put in charge??? Needless to say, he ruined what little I did enjoy of this episode.

Vala had some cute moments although her carrying a glass cutter made as much sense as the hair dryer from The Quest 1. As in...it didn't. But she did call Teal'c "Muscles" again...and as a Vala/Teal'c shipper, I must squee for that at least.

Mitchell didn't annoy me as much as he usually does...so that's a plus...although the overdose of cultural references is starting to grate.

Plot wise this story had some interesting potential. I was looking forward to seeing how the others would handle getting out of a situation without Sam there to help them figure it out. And that part with Vala, I actually enjoyed her working with the bomb, trying to get it free from the case and such and seeing her rig it to the gate.

But the hostages? What the heck was with the screaming woman? Was that supposed to be funny the same way Novak's hiccups in Prometheus Unbound was supposed to be? Neither of these things were, by the way. Then there's the Barney Fife-esque security guard. *sigh*

And you know, it might have been nice to at least offer the chance to open a dialog with these people. They would have refused of course, or better, the could have agreed then reneged. At least then there would have been a reason to try to contact these people again. You know...us holding out a hand of friendship as a positive gesture after causing such an uproar.

I thought the premise of the story was interesting enough...but I'm afraid the execution was nothing more than a farce.

Thank goodness Carter wasn't around for this meaningless romp/mess.
Thank goodness indeed!!! After 2 ep full of her I needed to watch something different! I love to see Daniel a little out of his usual caracther, this is the reason why I like Vala, because she drives him crazy:)

DrBravo2
February 13th, 2007, 10:51 PM
You guys thought this was a Die Hard spoof? The plot was exactly like Airheads.

Uber
February 13th, 2007, 10:54 PM
Thank goodness indeed!!! After 2 ep full of her I needed to watch something different! I love to see Daniel a little out of his usual caracther, this is the reason why I like Vala, because she drives him crazy:)?

Line in the Sand, while having actual, meaningful content for Sam (a nice change of pace) was a team episode, not a Carter episode. And while The Road Not Taken, was Carter-centric, there have been two full episodes since then...The Shroud and Bounty...neither of which could be deemed Carter-heavy.

PG15
February 13th, 2007, 10:56 PM
It's like Irresponsible all over again. Spoilers for that ep...

What? You think I thought the episode was horrible? Fat chance, that almost never happens with Stargate. Fact is, I liked Irresponsible for its humor and team moments, but loooooathed the sets and the annoying villagers (or in this case, the...uh...city slickers). Same thing with this episode.

Now, for those who don't want to look in the spoiler tags, here are the main points:

1. Sets were pretty bad.

2. Most of the extras and guest stars were annoying.

3. Otherwise, a solid and entertaining episode. :D

So yes, I can never hate an episode, and although during parts of it I thought it might happen, the goodness that is the main characters brought me back from the edge. Above all else, this episode excelled in the humor department, even more so than Bounty. We're talking about at least one LOL moment a minute here, maybe more. It might not be as spectacular as the last few episodes (Bounty was slightly better), but it definately entertained me and made me laugh.

So, the points:

I'll get the bad stuff over with; namely, the sets and the guest stars. The security guard, although funny, was a tad of a caricature. The screaming girl, just, shut the hell up. The other girl, ugh, so freaking annoying, despite having only about a minute of screentime. And the guy between them? I hate those jacka**es. Whew, that's a lot of venting. :D

Now, Sisiroh(?), although a little bland, was quite good as a character. He was like the old Daniel, in a way; bright eyed, naive, etc. Vala was right, Danny found his inner child. :D I also liked the negotiator; he was basically a stock "bad guy commander" sort of character, but I think the actor really sold the seriousness; and for a standalone like this, they don't have much time to do that; a sign of talent here.

Now, the sets. Damn people, I saw binders! Real life, plastic binders! Lamps, bookshelves...did these guys sneak to an Earth IKEA or something? I hope they're either 1) Low on budget after the episodes from Quest to Shroud, or 2) Low on budget because something big is being planned for the last few episodes. Either way, it didn't help when I recognize the main building as a school I used to drive by.

Yes, this is still the same old PG15 who gushes over everything. I'm getting to it! ;)

Now that the venting's over with, let's get to the bigger stuff. I loved how the beginning of the episode just flowed. I mean seriously, I can't believe they didn't touch on this sooner. A MALP is basically a camera mounted on a small tank, it can't tell if what its seeing is real or not (well, there was Urgo, I suppose). I loved the concept of the episode, it just sort of...fizzled out afterwards. Still, very original thinking IMHO.

But above alll of that, is the humor. There were so many good lines in this episode. From Teal'c's extraordinarily calm "Die Hard" to Danny's frustrating "shut up!", to Vala's spiel about stealing the bomb...it was just hilarious. Some have said that Stargate's going too far for the laughs, and although the security guard was teetering, I think the rest of the episode was just fine and dandy. In fact, I could spend hours just citing all the funny moments in this episode...but it's almost bed time.

But before I go, I just like to say that I loved the ending, with us facing the gate. Very symbolic. Heck, even before that, when SG1 was preparing to step through the gate, I got the feeling that I think I should've had thoughout the episode, namely a race discovering they're not alone for the first time. Anyway, even though there were several bad aspects, its humor and pure entertaining bits won me over, so I'm giving it...

Score: 7/10

Mio
February 13th, 2007, 11:01 PM
It was funny. But that's all I give it. At least episodes like Window of Opprotunity and Urgo had more substance than this. I honestly wasn't that impressed overall. It's going to go on the pile of episodes to watch when I'm just in the mood to laugh....Under 200, under Urgo, and under WoO....It's really not high up on the list.

And that guy had HUGE eyes....

Honestly, though. It sounded like the premise for the episode was just so they could claim that they didn't leave us hanging on that Ancient treasure...

PG15
February 13th, 2007, 11:10 PM
I hope you don't mind Stef, but I took one of the screencaps and made this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/PGfifteen/StargateORly.jpg

:D

PG15
February 13th, 2007, 11:13 PM
So guys...any idea why Amanda wasn't in the episode?

Was she busy with something?

SaberBlade
February 13th, 2007, 11:25 PM
She could have been doing Sanctuary, or like Shanks has time off to spend with family.

SaberBlade
February 13th, 2007, 11:33 PM
Using Carter's experience is a good way to determine what could happen, however it's also he worst way to determine what could happen.

Earth² was coming under attack from an alien invasion force when they secret was found out, that added onto the fact that Russia never knew about the program just made problems worse. That added to the fact other nations never knew and had no idea would have just made the situation worse for the US.

Earth however has disclosure with other nations, has support from people all over the world and the ability to effectively defend itself from pretty much anyone who'd be out to cause trouble so the people of Earth wouldn't have anything to really fear, unlike the people of Earth².

While Earth seems to have been doing everything right, Earth² has barely made it through the by the skin of it's teeth. I don't think Earth would reveal anything until the leaders of the world know they are safe

Avenger
February 13th, 2007, 11:52 PM
I thought it was hilarious when Jackson was telling the two women to shut up and that there are rules to being hostages. It really cracked me up.

Pegasus_SGA
February 13th, 2007, 11:57 PM
Don't you (and other who have decried this episode) get it?! Its post-Stargate Stargate -- we are not out of the realm of 1st generation Stargate and we're playing with all the concepts and characterisations of past first-generation "real" Stargate. So I can understand how you'd hate this if you are still clinging to the image of what SG-1 used to be. But we met the end of the Goa'uld and the Replicators, and we found Atlantis -- so much of the weight of the original stories are OVER. Now its time to play.

I'll be honest after RDA left, I lost my squee a bit for SG1, then when AT left I hardly watched it for a year and started getting back into it, later on hoping that the stories had improved and that I would give the 'new characters' a chance, but it's eps like this and Bounty that make me think I made a wrong decision. S10 has been really good so far...and then THIS. I'm not sure what you mean by 'Don't you get it' and 'It's post-Stargate'. Is that supposed to forgive lazy writing and boring episodes? And because we have a new cast, does that mean the quality of the eps is ok because it's post Stargate? I'll admit, I love action and adventure and mythology lots of blowing things up, I miss the Goa'uld, but bored with the Ori, but it's created an interesting stroyline, love the replicators, and i'm all for having fun episodes. But sorry for me this wasn't fun or funny. It was just sooo boring. If you're a Daniel fan you'll love this episode, as MS gets to stretch his comedic side, but for me it didn't work. The 'comic' effect was so OTT that it lost its way (though i'm sure others will disagree) and that's fine each to their own.




Sure, the humor is kinda kitchy ("Die Hard...") and its all super tounge-in-cheek but LET GO OF THE PAST and come with me into the new SG-1. We've had 8 good years of Stargate stories with serious stuff, and we do get a little 'galactic doom' from the Ori (but even they are post-Stargate characters) but the show is on borrowed time and has been since RDA left, so I think its high time we all just went with the flow, remembered what we're doing here (watching TV to pass the time enjoyably) and stop clinging to old glories. The producers of this show certainly aren't!


'Let go of the Past' Trust me hon, it's been let go a while, and yes tongue-in-cheek does work in some eps, and some of the best eps have been tongue in cheek where appropriate, but the whole ep? I expected more than this from Stargate... is it so wrong to want decent eps in Stargate's finality series? I guess maybe it is if people (and it's not directed at you hon, so please don't take offence) tell me to 'let go of the past' I might just have a hissy fit, lol. But it's not clinging to 'old glories' it's remembering fondly of what Stargate USED to be, but it doesn't excuse bad script writing or bad acting or bad story lines and this ep had all that for me *shrugs* It just feels as if SG1 has lost it's magic somewhere along the way.

Hubble
February 14th, 2007, 12:03 AM
Wow.

What an incredibly bad episode.


Yep. That's about all I can muster up for this stupidly not funny episode that tried so hard to be funny.

gatetravel1
February 14th, 2007, 12:34 AM
At first I didn't like this episode at all, it just felt like a boring filler one. But later when the securitygaurd started to reasoning with himself it cracked me up. The gaurd trying to scream when he was ducktaped and jumping around was the best thing in the whole episode :P

Agent_Dark
February 14th, 2007, 12:40 AM
Well, considering the alternatives.....I'd say Daniel was the best choice. I mean, could you see Teal'c or Vala doing the negotiating? :valaanime06: So the only other person would have been Mitchell. Daniel is supposed to be the expert on cultures, and he's usually the one to deal directly with them (as the sort of diplomat), so it would make sense that he would be the one to try and talk to the police. Plus, I got the sense that Mitchell was already frustrated with the people....so that was probably a reason why he didn't take over.

I happened to really enjoy Daniel in this episode...he had some of my favorite scenes. It was nice to see something different from the character...not the usual serious/annoyed vibe I get from him most of the time.

-Stef

Actually, I think Teal'c or Vala would have been infinitely better to negotiate with the cops. Teal'c has quite a lot of experience with politics, where negotiating would play a big part. Plus add to the fact that Teal'c is able to view it from the perspective of the SWAT team. He is a warrior. And Vala has all those street smarts, which is what you need in that kind of situation.

I think Daniel was highly out of character here. I mean, Vala even points out that that guy was a 'kindred spirit' and Daniel doesn't even tag along to his lab where there could be a chance to learn about the history/find ancient artifacts?

Agent_Dark
February 14th, 2007, 12:53 AM
The weapons that looked exactly like guns from Earth?I don't recall seeing an Earth weapon with four small chambers in the barrel.
Marushin COP .357 (http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filnavn=/reviews/marushin_cop357/marushin_cop357_review.htm). That's a link to an airsoft one, since the COP didn't take off and the company folded. It's quite real though. And it's been used in Bladerunner, The Matrix and Battlestar Galactica.

The other guns that the security guards at the party had were Skorpions (a fairly popular SMG/machine pistol in the old Eastern Bloc). I dunno what the soldiers/police had, but I've definitely seen it used on Battlestar too.

Agent_Dark
February 14th, 2007, 12:59 AM
I think they were shooting parts of The Road Not Taken at the same time.

coolove
February 14th, 2007, 01:18 AM
I certainly enjoyed this episode. I love the bits of humor especially when Vala tried to get the bomb from the case. I was disappointed in the ending. I felt it was too rushed at the end but other then that, it was fun.

myutopian
February 14th, 2007, 01:23 AM
Hello!

I just watched this one, and I thought it was pretty good... Though I really appreciated the little things: Cam's seaweed reference, going back to where he said he had read all of SG1's mission reports, seeing Goa'uld stuff lying around, the premise of looking for technology, Vala wanting to solve something, Teal'c's movie obsession, the exotic music at the start... For some reason, I really liked the paramedic uniforms. They seemd very medical, but very foreign at the same time.

I love that that they didn't know they were in a museum at until they turned the corner.

And you can't tell me that if you were in the position of teh second-class guard, that you wouldn't think how he thought. We've seen enough movies and TV shows to at least think that everything isn't as it appears - though we prolly wouldn't be so paranoid about it. Or as inept.

This episode was kinda like a throwback to the first few seasons where they went to lots of 'planets of the week'. It could easily have been from that era (though RDA wolud have made it more entertaining, I think. I've never been a huge fan of Cam, though I liked him in this ep). What made it that much more interesting is that Cicero (sp?) felt like a Daniel from early on, which was contrasted (perhaps a bit forcibly so) to the Daniel of today, who is more quick-tempered and more rash - though he just went with that and acted it up.

And it was nice to see the team working differently together. You never really see Daniel and Tealc together.

Except perhaps it was a bit much airing this one right after Bounty last week. They felt pretty similar, and didn't offer much in terms of the overall story. But still pretty fun.

Stef
February 14th, 2007, 02:15 AM
Actually, I think Teal'c or Vala would have been infinitely better to negotiate with the cops. Teal'c has quite a lot of experience with politics, where negotiating would play a big part. Plus add to the fact that Teal'c is able to view it from the perspective of the SWAT team. He is a warrior. And Vala has all those street smarts, which is what you need in that kind of situation.


Those things notwithstanding, when was the last time we saw either one of these two take point in a negotiation (unless they were dealing with someone they actually knew)? You talk about being out of character, I'd say that letting Vala negotiate this tricky situation would be more out of character for Mitchell, Teal'c, and Daniel than anything this episode had to offer. As for Teal'c, maybe he would have made a good negotiator, but that's never going to happen. Like you said, Teal'c falls into the warrior role rather than the political one when it comes to the dynamics of the team. Should this change? Depends on your view. Will it change? Unlikely.

While Vala or Teal'c negotiating would make sense in some respects, it would completely throw off how the group works....and, no doubt, people would have been complaining about that in this thread, if it had happened, instead of about Daniel. I can only imagine the backlash from people if Vala had taken over. It would be a disaster! People would complain that she's taking over the show and that the writers are focusing too much on the "new" characters rather than on the establised ones. No doubt, people would also be complaining that Daniel and Cam would NEVER give her that much power and control....especially when she has exhibited some impetuous behavior in the past (remember her at the funds committee in "Ties That Bind"...and Daniel wouldn't let her negotiate with the Jaffa in "Counterstrike" over the walkie talkie either).

In truth, as the leader, Cam should have done the negotiating, but after him, it usually falls to Daniel or Sam (and she was noteably absent).

-Stef

Franklyn Blaze
February 14th, 2007, 02:28 AM
I hope you don't mind Stef, but I took one of the screencaps and made this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/PGfifteen/StargateORly.jpg

:D

HAHAHA! We need a " NO, NOT RLY" one now :D

2ndgenerationalteran
February 14th, 2007, 02:58 AM
one of the funniest episodes in a while, interesting how museums have all the weapons we need. this season has so far been my favorite.

The Great Lord Baal
February 14th, 2007, 02:59 AM
daniel was hilarious in this episode is it me or does he look a bit to tanned

leaper
February 14th, 2007, 03:21 AM
Enjoyed this episode...had some good funny lines. I guess, if you liked it or not depends on why you watch Stargate SG1, for a particular character, or constant all out action/furthering the plot thing and, speaking personally, my family and myself like the occasional good ol'"stand alone" chuckle episode.

Naonak
February 14th, 2007, 03:41 AM
Very entertaining episode - pretty different to what I expected (much more comedic), but still enjoyable.

I think Daniel was pretty in-character here - the rant at the arguing women, etc., was him trying to play a rebel hostage-taker, but he's obviously not going to be so good at that.

The second half of this season has been a really strong run of episodes.

7-8/10 (much better than a seven, but not quite an eight)

nanoo
February 14th, 2007, 04:07 AM
I haven't read your previous mesages, because i don't want to be spoiled on everything ! But i have a question !

Is Sam in this episode ? if yes is she a lot in it or very few ?


Thank you very much for the answer !

Linzi
February 14th, 2007, 04:12 AM
I don't normally comment on SG1 episodes, but felt inspired to write my thoughts after watching this episode with my family last night. I didn't particularly enjoy parts of Bounty, but enjoyed the previous three episodes tremendously, (Line in the Sand, The Road not Taken and The Shroud). In fact I was feeling pretty upbeat about the second half of season ten, until I saw Bad Guys.
My family and I all agreed on one thing : Martin Gero is a wonderful writer on Atlantis, but really, he should stick to that! I know it was a collaboration between him and Ben Browder, but, ouch, that was one of the most awful episodes I've endured.
The resounding shout from my family was 'utter pants'. Which says it all really.
It was too OTT, the acting was, at times, totally ridiculous and farcical, the plot was...a cliché? Yep, that sums it up nicely. Costumes? Eeek! Dialogue? Not good. I just sat there blushing with embarrassment for the show.
Very disappointing.
And what on Earth did make-up do to Michael Shanks? Not only had he been tango'd but he looked like he had lip gloss on for parts of the episode!
Let's hope the next few episodes return to the glory of the previous ones I mentioned.
I gave this 1/10, and that was because I have a soft spot for MG...

Linzi
February 14th, 2007, 04:15 AM
I haven't read your previous mesages, because i don't want to be spoiled on everything ! But i have a question !

Is Sam in this episode ? if yes is she a lot in it or very few ?


Thank you very much for the answer !
Not in it at all.

nanoo
February 14th, 2007, 04:17 AM
thank you linzi !

Calhoun
February 14th, 2007, 04:27 AM
I think they were shooting parts of The Road Not Taken at the same time.

That would explain why Carter was away "briefing the President" about that episode's events.

g.o.d
February 14th, 2007, 04:34 AM
it was sooo boring:(

I'm glad to see that humans from another planet are using weapons created in my country:)

dubya83
February 14th, 2007, 04:38 AM
Well, it seems like the opinion on this episode is quite mixed. It seems like everyone either loved it or hated it.

Did it have its funny moments? Sure.

So Gero has written one serious Die Hard-esque episode (Atlantis's The Storm/The Eye), and now he has written (with Browder) an episode spoofying Die Hard -- and AirHeads.

I know the show has been on for 10 years and all, but it feels like most of this plot has been done already in some form or another (religious fanatics who are more or less right about the gate, military that wants to cover it up, SG-1 captured or at risk of being captured, the one guy who believes them and helps them out, etc.).

Reminds me of elements from New Ground, Memento, and Icon (with a dash of smaller bits from others still).

Granted, this episode had the opportunity to parody all of that, so maybe that was its salvation.

Sort of like: "We've been here before, and we know what happens if they capture us. So let's try playing into their expectations this time and see how it all turns out."

I also enjoyed Mitchell teasing Daniel about all the ridiculous ways they've managed to power the gate in the past. He should've mentioned the dozen or so diesel engines from 1969.

lissafoss
February 14th, 2007, 04:58 AM
I was slightly bored at time, but highly entertained at others. I’m confused as to whether I liked it or not. Some great lines, and I like the idea of the story, but I wont be in a hurry to see it again.

suzziq1
February 14th, 2007, 05:07 AM
I may seem a bit crazy - but - when *tangoed* Daniel gets annoyed at the two women who are arguing over the guy, I suddenly saw Captain Kirk.....maybe it was the william shatneresque over acting:cameron:

sgeureka
February 14th, 2007, 05:08 AM
Pretty enjoyable yet forgettable episode. It had its moments but there wasn't enough of "it" to make me watch it again anytime soon. I liked the past six episodes much better.

6/10



[hostage catfight]
Daniel: What the hell are you DOING?! STOP IT!!
Girl #1: She started it.
Girl #2: I think you started it when you kissed Hamon *don't know the name*.
Daniel: Shut up. Shut up. You're hostages! This is like a life and death situation here. Start acting like it.
Girl #2: Oh please, you're not rebels. We're not deaf you know, everyone in this room knows it.
Daniel: That doesn't matter. You're hostages, we're your captors. We're heavily armed! T-There's rules. There's a whole school of etiquette to this. [girl stares at him] Don't eyeball me.Yes, that was my favorite, too. He tried to apply reason and politeness, whereas a true rebal would have applied fear and terror. Funny.

lissafoss
February 14th, 2007, 05:13 AM
I would have guessed that there has already been a rather large meeting about how to tell the public, and an even bigger one about if they should and when this should happen.
Carter has seen who bad things can get and they would be stupid not to learn as much from her experience for when the day finally comes when they tell the world

Clark'sGirl
February 14th, 2007, 05:41 AM
I liked it and I don't care what anybody else says! So there! (please forgive the inner child, it's a baad day!!)

I watched it at 6.45 BC (before coffee) this morning when I was getting ready for work and it still made me laugh several times. Daniel and Vala (not in a together sense) cracked me up and the Die Hard/24 farce was funny.

And yes, Daniel was very orange for the ep. What the???

So what if it's just a filler ep, some of the best eps were filler eps and I have to say I liked it a lot better than Irresistible or Irresponsible?(whatever they were called)

Although has the writers been reading fanfic, cause the original premise, landing in a museum, has been done several times.

Gwin
February 14th, 2007, 05:57 AM
Ben Browder helped write this episode :P
No, he came up with the idea without even thinking they would do an episode out of it.
And he didn't write anything.


This was not one of the best episodes I've seen so far, but I enjoyed it, because it was so different und really well done. Seeing them as bad guys and how they dealt with it was hilarious.
No wonder Vala felt quite comfortable in this role, but I guess we saw merley a glimpse of how she worked as a thief. Mitchell was right, she showed up and screwed it because of that. I was suprised when she had this glass cutter, but since Vala seems to carry a hair dryer wherever she goes, it seems naturally that she carrys also thief tools with her. ;)
On the other hand it was funny to see, how uncomfortable Daniel felt. His scene where he was almost hysterical cracked me up, that was well played by Michael Shanks.
It would have been better to have Mitchell as the one on the radio, as he is the leader (especially because the negotiator asked for the one in charge), but well...something I can forgive since Daniel did a good job.
Oh...and I so waited for the Die Hard reference and fell right under the table when Teal'c said it. Wish they would give him more to do, his few scenes were great.
And it was good to hear through Mitchells words to the negotiator that they have the threatening danger with the Ori ships clearly in their mind.

Pitry
February 14th, 2007, 05:58 AM
Excellent episode! Loved it. To bits.

Well, after Bounty, I'm quite opkay with this episode not dealing witht he Orii. First, Bounty already happened; second, they had a much more decent excuse this time as the key to infinite treasure could have had something in it (ha! Knew this thing would come back); and third.... well, it was done so much better than Bounty :)

Where was Sam? (I mean, AT. Sam had an excuse.) also, it was a good thign they did refer to the Ori, back to the previous comment. Both the beginning and the ending references to the Orii and the wars they have to fight set this episode much more in place. And I like the fact Hayes is being briefed on possible scenarios about what would happen if the Stargate programme is revealed - hopefully, they're setting up for a public disclosure of the SGC. Maybe in the movies... ;)

Daniel was hilarious, through adn through. Loved his :your a hostage!" comment to the fighting... sisters, weer they? His nagotiating - and Teal'c's exasperated looks at it! Speaking of the TEal'c and Daniel bits - Teal'c knowing more pop culture references than Daniel, to die for. Also loved Vala's "kindered spirit" comment to Daniel about Cicero - especially as I was thinking the exact same thing at that point! :D
Glad to see Teal'c has had more to do than usually.... still mainly stood there and made funny faces, but that';s an imporvement I guess to jut standing there... sigh. Hopefully he'll have more to do int he remaining four epsiodes (nooooo!).

Mitchell adn Vala were lovely too. Especially the bit with the security guard and their so unconvinced surrender to him and the bit before with the bomb, Vala breaking in and then activating it.....died with laughter. And I really enjoyed the bit in the end, as Mitchell convinced the nagotiator to let them go. Yup, was somewhat cheesy - but it was much more the character development Cameron needs, especially compared to stuff like Bounty that dind;t contribute to his character at all. It also emphasises on what Bounty could have achieved, but much better- Cameron as the regular guy who has to deal with the alien encounters.

One thing that's a shame tho - I'd have liekd seeing this episode from the hostages/ negotiation team POV - ake it more lije... well Die Hard, if they arleady referneced to that :) - seeing all of sG1's dealing as a third person POV, not as the heroes. But I didnt' exepct that'll happen, so it's just a shmall shame!

So, YAY! (\o/)

MechaThor
February 14th, 2007, 06:01 AM
And great and funny episode to get use ready for the upcoming storm.

Good Points:
-The Security Gaurd lol.
-"we have are selfs a John Mclane". "DIE HARD"
-Mentioning the weeds used in the prision episode all them years ago.
-"its a hostage situation act like it2 speech
-Cams "ending 1rst contact speech"

Bad Points:
-Althought it was funny and kinda spoofy it would hvae worked better in a naked gun film when Vala pulled the glass clamp things out of no where?

Starxgate
February 14th, 2007, 06:22 AM
Am I the only one that wants SG-1 to somehow end up on the Rebels side of that same planet & they face off with the same people who are about to fight or something & SG-1 gets caught in the crossfire. But I would rather them use the movies to tie up all of the loose ends of SG-1 & every now & then do something a little bit fun.

Margaret
February 14th, 2007, 06:30 AM
it was sooo boring:(

I'm glad to see that humans from another planet are using weapons created in my country:)

Those gun-runners are everywhere! :P

Dutch_Razor
February 14th, 2007, 08:05 AM
H I L A R I O I S !

Definatey a 11/10, Vala's oneliners, Daniel explainging what a hostage situation is :P

Commander Ivanova
February 14th, 2007, 08:09 AM
Bit of a curate's egg this one.
Liked Daniel playing the terrorist initially but it went too far OTT.
Seemed like all the people on that planet were completely stupid except for Cicero. Not to mention annoying.
Good to see the team get themselves out of trouble without Sam's help for a change.
Having just watched S5 of 24, liked the parallels and contrasts between the hostage situations and how the situation was turned on its head by having non-bloodthirsty and ruthless terrorists.
Ending was too abrupt.

sofie
February 14th, 2007, 08:23 AM
I really liked this episode, even though Daniel will never be able to act like a terorist, it was hilarious!!! :D

The only thing I didn't like about the episode is that therewas no Sam. I was really hoping for another team episode. So...

But all by all a good ep.
9/10

Pitry
February 14th, 2007, 08:29 AM
Seemed like all the people on that planet were completely stupid except for Cicero. Not to mention annoying.
Good to see the team get themselves out of trouble without Sam's help for a change.


Really?
TBH I can't imagine this going any other way in our world, too, if all of a sudden a team of people suspected as terrorists would have shown up out of nowhere.

Quinn Mallory
February 14th, 2007, 09:13 AM
Quite a fun episode and highlighted the importance of Sam (even though she's MIA in this episode).

I thought the story idea was good, so kudos to Ben Browder. Now this storyline could probably be made much darker and had this been an early SG-1 episode (season 1-3) then it probably would've been darker and more allegorical.

Anyhow, I found the end result to be entertaining and have been quite pleased with the last half season of SG-1 thus far.

BJX
February 14th, 2007, 09:32 AM
Yet another awful episode of SG-1. Cringe-worthy every 3 secs.

Bad points:

- Woman screaming. Was that supposed to be funny?
- Vala having one of those glass cutter things with her. Does TPTB think we're really that stupid?
- Pathetic security guard actor/character.
- Dull storyline
- Bunch of aliens who are pretty much identical to us
- Girls b1tching at each other... wtf???
- Daniel, not sure what the actor was smoking when he filmed this ep
- Ending. Over in 3 seconds.
- Yet another 'hey I managed to figure out a gate address to a planet with a large supply of ancient stuff' episode
- Hooking a bomb up to a stargate? Please.
- Cheap drama factor: a ticking bomb
- Did I mention boooooooring.
- A waste of an episode.
- Another ep where a main character is missing.
- Camp secondary character guy. Horrible actor, horrible characterisation.
- Not funny except for a few Vala bits.

Good stuff:

- a few of Vala's one liners
- at least it wasn't another medieval village for the ten billionth time.
- ummm... it only lasted 45 minutes?

I'd be more forgiving if the episode before this one (Bounty) wasn't garbage as well.

Pure, pointless, cringeworthy 5hite 'Bad Guys' was.

Yeah, I've gotta agree with these points. Such a dissapointment because I really had high hopes for this episode. I really thought it was going to be a classic season 1 style SG-1 episode and something quite special since it was written by Martin Gero but it proved to be utterly pointless, lacking any substance, drama, suspense and comedy too.

What has happened to SG-1 this year? Any episode that doesn't deal with the Ori inevitably turns into a camp piece of crap. Remember the days when SG-1 was good serious drama with a hint of comedy? Oh those were the days.

ShardsofGlass
February 14th, 2007, 09:51 AM
Just watched this ep, and I thought it was one of the best eps of the season. I laughed out loud several times, like when Daniel was telling the negotiator to take his time, go through red tape, etc. And the negotiator was looking at his walkie-talkie like huh? LOL I also loved all the scenes with Cam and Vala and the security guard. "You mean you really activated the bomb?" LOL Loved the way Cam and Vala snuck up behind the security guard and then just waited until he noticed them and then Cam said "He left his back unguarded." Or something like that.

I thought the humor was great, the guest stars were good, the acting was good. I totally don't see what anyone is saying about Daniel being out of character. He was pretending to be a rebel, so of course he was out of character -- deliberately.

I've always thought SG's strength is in its humor. It's what makes it stand out from other scifi shows, and this ep just proved how good it can be at humorous episodes.

Solanalos
February 14th, 2007, 09:55 AM
Great scene of Daniel yelling at the two women fighting. Anyone feel that he was channeling Jack though? :D

immhotep
February 14th, 2007, 10:32 AM
I really liked this episode, it reminded me of the good old days when SG1 would go through the gate and get stuck and have to fool about in an alien culture to escape, it was very funny and enjoyable.
I loved the scenes with the hostages, "theres a whole hostage/hostage taking etiquite" line was great and daniel was surpurb. Vala wasnt the overbearing self she can be which was refreshing and used her skills well. She has become the logical thinker of the team, right form the start she was making the points about how to best go about these situations.
One thing that bugged me, when the hell did SG1 have a standard protocol not to interfere with cultures that "arent ready for revelation" they have told dozens of worlds about stargate, it must be a very recent protocol because they have never done that before. Probley since they exacerbated a world war last time they appeared in the museam piece.
But yeah i think this was solid piece of Sg1, it wasnt overly filler and references to old technology like the Naquadah bomb made it a good episode.

IWKYZerocool
February 14th, 2007, 10:58 AM
The episode was interesting but now the people on that planet have buried the stargate, how are we going to get the weapons that they were looking for.

I like episodes like this, best part was when vala was telling the guard and mitchell how to get in a glass enclosure.

cshawzye
February 14th, 2007, 11:19 AM
Wow, lots of very different opinions on the episode. Very interesting takes. Personally I loved the episode. It was a break, it was light and very funny. IMO, you can't always have serious hard-core stories you have to lighten it up a bit and I think this episode did that very well. It definitely made me laugh out loud several times.

Loved Vala here. And I'm glad they're working on her relationship with Cam a bit. I'm a Dan/Vala shipper but I like seeing her interact and grow in her relationships with the others.

Also, as much as I like AT I was kinda glad she wasn't in this one. IMO, it was nice to get to see the team trying to function without Sam's technical expertise. And I think that was brought out when Daniel said "Yeah 100% chance we should've brought someone who knows what they're doing." My guess is that Sam would've been able to rig something to get the gate working a lot faster and more efficiently than Vala did ... So although I'm sure AT would've been great in the episode it was nice for a bit of a change up.


Great scene of Daniel yelling at the two women fighting. Anyone feel that he was channeling Jack though? :D

LOL ... I loved that bit, Daniel was so exasperated. And I totally wouldn't have thought about it that way but now that you say it I can definitely see the way Daniel was in this episode from that perspective. :)

Pitry
February 14th, 2007, 11:35 AM
I thought the story idea was good, so kudos to Ben Browder. Now this storyline could probably be made much darker and had this been an early SG-1 episode (season 1-3) then it probably would've been darker and more allegorical.


See, I have to say I'm not sure you're right - that description fits nicely to Road not Taken. Maybe they thought that two dar allegorical episodes so closely together would be too muich> Even in seasons 1-3 they didn't used to have this, but once in a while.

ETA: oh, scratch the two. Line in the Sand wasn't very shiney and hit us on the head with the allegorical hammer more often than not. Hell, coming to think of it, the entire plot for season 9-10 is darker and more allegorical than anything Stargate's ever done. :)

langdonboom
February 14th, 2007, 11:45 AM
What has happened to SG-1 this year? Any episode that doesn't deal with the Ori inevitably turns into a camp piece of crap. Remember the days when SG-1 was good serious drama with a hint of comedy? Oh those were the days.

I really think the writers have decided that the original concept has run its course, and without RDA to anchor the real-seeming danger/peril/stakes in the show, that they are now 'playing with house money' and are able to entertain themselves and make post-modern, post-Stargate Stargate. Its as if they ran out of narrative steam with the first 8 seasons and now they're just kinda vamping on a theme. As much as I like to play make-believe and se the Ori as imposing as the Goa'uld once seemed, it just isn't there, and so I take these episodes for what they are -- light hearted Sci-fi camp.

Agreed, its not as good as the original tone of the show, but it is still the characters I knew and loved, albeiet with a new twist on them, so its not all bad. Even funny if you aren't expecting super perilous sci-fi opera (anymore)

fellip_nectar
February 14th, 2007, 12:32 PM
Just wondering...

Does anyone else think that the reason they could not dial back to the planet at the end of the episode, was because Vala was wrong about the gate depleting the bomb's naquahdah core, and therefore it exploded.

Now that really would be "Worst. First contact. Ever." :)

Dutch_Razor
February 14th, 2007, 12:39 PM
Ok.....

Worst. First contact. Ever :P

Although wiith the Goa'Uld might have been worse there wasn't a whole city of people wiped out :P

But probably not, maybe they could send the Daedalus to check in on em?

Starxgate
February 14th, 2007, 12:58 PM
I got to say though even after 10 years SG-1 found themselves in a situation none of them knew how to handle outside of watching action movies :P SG-1 was always the one who were the prisoners & now for the first time it changed

Dutch_Razor
February 14th, 2007, 01:08 PM
Hey indeed SG1 have always been the prisoners!

And I don't think "how to take hostages" is a chapter in the USAF handbook :P

Starxgate
February 14th, 2007, 01:23 PM
Hey indeed SG1 have always been the prisoners!

And I don't think "how to take hostages" is a chapter in the USAF handbook :P

Daniel said it best

"We don't know how to handle a situation like this"

golfbooy
February 14th, 2007, 01:25 PM
Do you guys hear that? No, no. Shh! Listen......................hear that? Want to know what it is? That high-pitched, wailing moan is all the enthusiasm and renewed faith that Quest II, Line In the Sand, The Road Not Taken, and The Shroud instilled in my easily trounced upon heart being sucked into the vacuous nothing that is Bad Guys. I can think of no stronger indictment of the writers' inability to script 20 decent, quality episodes per season than the last two that have been served up. Both Bounty and Bad Guys were put out there by the writers, knowing full well that they were silly, cliche-ridden scripts that contributed absolutely nothing to the plot, character development, or overall richness of the Stargate universe.

Bad Guys was a missed opportunity. It wasn't a horrible premise, and if that's what Ben Browder contributed, then good for him. It could have made for an ok episode. But Martin Gero failed. Well, he not so much failed as much as he Atlantisized this one. What does that mean, you ask? Well, "Atlantisizing" an episode is my little pet term for how the writers on Atlantis seem to be unable to consistently write any conflict into an episode without lobotomizing the so-called "best and brightest" that Earth has to offer. So long as you can suspend your disbelief enough to buy that highly trained and experienced individuals can be so mind-numbingly stupid, then everything makes sense. If not, well, you know. "Atlantisizing" an episode also quite frequently involves excessively childish sight-gags and inane action sequences featuring "weapons at maximum" and long camera shots of our intrepid heroes running down corridors amidst a hail storm of bullets/ray gun blasts. Martin Gero has supplied all this for the benefit of us reluctant Atlantis viewers in his sole SG-1 offering this year. Thanks, Martin. Happy Valentine's Day to you, too. Couple this cracker of a script with Peter DeLuise's newfound inability to imbue an episode with anything remotely resembling either that "Stargate" feeling or seriousness, and toss in the fact that there seems to be no on-set producer to oversee the most basic quality control, and you've pretty much got yourself a recipe for turning out the same dreck that we saw in much of season nine that cost the show so many viewers.

Honestly, I thought that the first act was good. I like the idea of the team winding up in a museum without a way back. And honestly, of all the people involved in this episode, the set designers should probably get the most credit. I thought the museum set was nicely put together, and the inclusion of so many Goa'uld devices certainly made sense. Heck, this might be the first non-Jaffa society that has acknowledged the influence of the Goa'uld since season eight. For so very long it's been nothing but an undending string of Medieval villages that bear no signs of Goa'uld influence and seem to be quite incapable of advancing past post and lintel architecture. So, yeah, I liked the setting. The fact that the "aliens" seemed to have raided the Earth Weapons Supply Depot makes no sense at all, but whatever. I guess I'm supposed to ignore such petty details.

The episode pretty much goes downhill from there, though. Even if I'm to buy into this premise that SG-1 is going to pretend to be hostage-taking rebels, the writers are asking for far too much anymore when it comes to guest characters. The idiotic portrayal and characterization of the security guard was just painful to watch. And to actually believe that that character could be responsible for providing enough conflict and substance to carry two acts by himself is just patently ridiculous. And as others have mentioned here, what's with the screaming chick? Do the producers really think that's funny? The catfighting women? Come on. For the sake of brevity I'll just say that it was abysmally boring, and that there were absolutely no scenes of substance or meaning in the entire episode.

Believe it or not, Landry annoyed me again. I suppose it's not so much Landry here, though, but the lazy inconsistencies in the writing. In the writer's attempt to once again make Landry seem aloof and superior they flippantly degrade and mischaracterize President Hayes. Normally, I wouldn't give a rat's ass what they said about some faceless President or any number of random generals, but we've met Hayes. He was a big player in the Lost City arc, and he was played very well by William Devane. He's a big part of why those episodes were so good, and he's almost the sole tool used by Wright and Cooper to create the character of Dr. Weir. Ninety percent of her admittedly dwindling credibility came from her interactions with Hayes. And here in Bad Guys Gero unthinkingly marginalizes the character with a meaningless throw-away line designed to give General Landry something to say. It's crap.

Far and away the best part of this episode was Teal'c. He was great in Bad Guys. However, Martin Gero gets to join the list of writers that refuse to attempt to substantially incorporate Teal'c into a story. Chris Judge is capable of so much more than just holding a gun and looking pretty. In particular, he could probably put out an episode way, way better than half the crap we get nowadays. Anyway, I loved the part when Teal'c zatted the minister. He's got incredible delivery when it comes to humor. I hope Talion really gives Teal'c some great stuff; he's been more criminally underused this season than perhaps any other.

I see a lot of complaints about Shanks' acting in Bad Guys and about how Daniel was over-the-top, but I really didn't think he was that bad. Daniel certainly wasn't any more doped up on stupid pills than the rest of the team. I thought Shanks was funny in trying to make Daniel seem agog and annoyed that they were in this situation in the first place. And while I agree with the complaint that he could have handled the whole thing with more seriousness, I feel that way about the entire episode. If anything, I'd say that Bad Guys is a pitiful, over-the-top, and out-of-character episode for the show SG-1; Daniel's behavior in this episode is just symptomatic of the very unStargate-like feel of Bad Guys.

Mitchell was, um, there in this one. I'm not sure where I fall on the "plan" to pose as rebels. I guess it was one way to go, but I feel like SG-1 should have executed it better. Or something like that. I feel like the fact that it all came off so poorly made Cam look out of his depth. SG-1 was never so ineffective a team before. Eh, whatever. I thought Browder did a good job, particularly during the first act with his first contact speech, and as I mentioned above, the pitch for the episode was probably pretty good. However, as much as many probably like seeing Vala and Cameron together like they have been the past couple of weeks, I can't shake the feeling that neither of them seem to know what they're doing. When they both just walked away from Cicero (really, Cicero?) I just had to shake my head.

I hated the whole bomb scene with Vala. The mere idea that Vala would activate a naquadah bomb without being able to disarm it makes no sense. It's a bit of character assasination, and it does nothing but lend credence to the arguments that Vala actually shouldn't be on the team. Likewise, I can't begin to fathom why the writers would want to portray Vala as such an inept thief. Is the comic relief that necessary?

I'm glad Carter avoided this mess.

In the end I suppose it bothers me that this is the best I can expect from the show anymore. A number of folks are pointing out things like "hey, you need lighthearted episodes once in a while," and, "SG-1 has always had filler episodes." In response I'd posit that the overall quality of those "lighthearted" or "filler" episodes of years past stand up there with the best stuff of New Stargate. Previously, filler episodes would be along the lines of Learning Curve or Family or even Proving Ground. Filler episodes used to be about either the characters or the program, not some random offering wherein nothing is accomplished save some bufoonery. Bounty and Bad Guys are so comparatively hollow next to single-shot episodes of years past that I'm astonished. They resemble more the fatuousness of Andromeda than anything akin to a Stargate SG-1 episode. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm relieved they've canned this show. It just doesn't cut it any longer. I hope the movies do.

flynn1959
February 14th, 2007, 01:48 PM
Well if for no other reason than the fact that this epsiode gave my ff button a rest I would have to give it 9/10.

jenks
February 14th, 2007, 01:56 PM
This episode seems to be a bit like marmite.

Shipperahoy
February 14th, 2007, 02:32 PM
Did I miss something? When did Daniel turn in to comedy relief guy? At times I wasn't certain if he was talking or performing a stand-up routine for the poor hostages. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a bit of levity in my sci-fi and even enjoyed Bounty last week for the most part, but it seems like they're completely trying to reformat the show into a space comedy. I don't think that they have to be all serious all the time (part of what I loved about the show in the first place was the banter between the characters and Jack's irreverent disregard for authority) but it's like we're getting Wormhole X-treme every episode lately.

With the addition of Vala it's like all slapstick all the time. I have actually grown to like the character of Vala this season but I grow incredibly tired of the way that they make her seem like she's halfway (or more) incompetent and the way they have the rest of the team treat her like she's the stupid relative that they have to have tag along. She had a few pearls of wisdom this episode but every time she came up with something good the others looked at her like it was a miracle of parting the Red Sea proportions that she even had an idea, much less a good one. I'm over it. Either she's part of the team or she's not. They need to make up their minds.

Platschu
February 14th, 2007, 02:34 PM
This episode could have been better if they changed the airing order with 10x09 Company of thieves. In this case we could have got a double-episode about Athena's treause and a double episode about the Lucian Alliance:

Flesh and Blood
Morpheus
The Pegasus Project
Insiders
Uninvited
200
Counterstrike
---
Memento Mori
Bad Guys
---
The Quest, Part 1
The Quest, Part 2
The Shroud
Line In the Sand
The Road Not Taken
---
Bounty
Company of Thieves

The episode was a bit weak, because this is the best SG-1 season. The idea was good, the Goa'uld relics were nice references to earlier seasons: naquadah bomb (6x19), abydos walls (6x22), Heru-ur statue (4x14), Goa'ud flag (3x03) etc.

knowles2
February 14th, 2007, 03:57 PM
I like this episode thought it was pretty funny all the way through.

Daniel jackson was not himselfed, which I love, and thought it was nice.

Nice explanation to Sam going to the president although I personally would love to of saw president face when he found out landry was president in the other universe. Also a bit at the end with the finishing and giving his permisson for her to go through with what ever she has purposed, these two thing wouldof improved the episodes.

Also perhaps them finding somthing of used on that planet. Perhaps even it was just a allied.

Also do not know if anyone else felt it but all the way through the episode even at the end I thought the real rebels was going to show their faces, shame they did not, it would added a bit of depth to the epidsode.

I thought vala hilerious, and her pulling out a glass cutter was a bit odd, through funny her description.

and again I enjoy the two women, but again they whould of extended it a bit further, perhaps even just have teal'c step and zat them after daniel faild to stop them from argueing.

The set was nice, different from the medieval looked we have become so bored of seeing, sorry but their only so many ways you can dress the same set, and only so many new angels..

I thought that they should jut of added bit more depth to this episode it would be brilliant ep.


I do not believe this next generation thing.

Off cause the character going to change, daniel as character looked a bit fed some of the time, and perhaps no long enjoying career same as real life and felt that in the episode.


But one thing as really bug me is the fact the amount of line tea'c be getting lately, very few words, I felt I could of counted the number lines on single hand, give somthing to do or leave him out the episode.


Personally this would been better. To have teal'c going of preparing the remaining jaffa nation, and having him rallying the troops for the final battle, bra'tac. Then have carter meeting the president and informing him of their plans to defend earth and taking care of the ori followers.
And then have vala Daniel and Cameron going on the search for more weapons/alies to helped us out. I think this would of been better way to of do it and showed us these events. And then just having vala/daniel/cameron trapped in the museum. This would linked to the overall plot line more and give hint to the upcoming battle for the galaxy.

do overall 8 out of 10

really comparing to other crap that on at the moment it far better than most other programmes on tv.

brod
February 14th, 2007, 04:00 PM
What was "seaweed" a reference to?

edit: Found it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Guys



When thinking about a possible energy source to power the Stargate, Mitchell suggests 'seaweed' which may possibly be a reference to Prisoners (Stargate SG-1) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_(Stargate_SG-1)) where they used plants that performed cold fusion which powered the Stargate.

suse
February 14th, 2007, 04:05 PM
The episode was a bit weak, because this is the best SG-1 season. The idea was good, the Goa'uld relics were nice references to earlier seasons: naquadah bomb (6x19), abydos walls (6x22), Heru-ur statue (4x14), Goa'ud flag (3x03) etc.


::confused: Perhaps the best of the New!Fun!SG-1! :jonas16:

Just saw the ep. :( Not as bad (imo) as some of the reviews say. It's rather nice to see a first contact go screwy because the society if going thru some modern-day problems. Seriously, how different would it go on Earth?

This list is by no means complete. I think I've already forgotten too much of it.
Good:
-The alien knowing the Die Hard reference - and the scholar not. :D Well he has been on Earth 10 years!
-Vala was amusing.
- The parallels between Daniel and Cicero were amusing.
- ??
-??

Bad:
- screaming girl
- catfight
- Vala just 'happening' to have a glass cutter. Sure. That's standard SGC gear. :rolleyes: And I'm sure she'd have to sign it out. Red flag would kinda pop up, the thief being interested in that.
- Security guard. I thought it as rather depressing that he was so in need of attention that he was willing to cover up the truth to be a hero. Very human though. It's not like Earth hires the best and the brightest for night guard duty either. OTT.

All in all this was better than Bounty. But that's damning with faint praise indeed. But not as faint as most of S9.


Again, Mitchell didn't bring anything more than eye-candy to the table.

Two "comedy" eps in a row is a bit much. :rolleyes:

suse

Starxgate
February 14th, 2007, 04:15 PM
For those that have not been happy with Teal'C there is a Teal'C episode coming up soon ;)

markaudette
February 14th, 2007, 04:32 PM
The thing I immediately noticed about this episode is that the main actors were acting so much better against their guest star cast. I have noticed that the acting among the the show's main cast has gotten a little dull as of late. And seeing Micheal's acting so vibrant against the supporting cast is a treat. I'm thinking Micheal channeled Daniel's inner teacher when he said "Don't eyeball me!"

I'm happy to say that "Bad Guys" was the episode I have enjoyed most this season. There was just something right and good about this episode.

I think it would be really nice to have seen this story revisited sometime. Although the ending spells out that revisiting is not neccessary. We already know what's happened. We've seen this before. We already know there's no need to revisit that world. Though it would have been nice.

Starxgate
February 14th, 2007, 04:45 PM
We already know there's no need to revisit that world. Though it would have been nice.


Who knows that one guy that helped & believed SG-1 could do something stupid & go out looking for them & randomly find them again TV style

esoap524
February 14th, 2007, 05:10 PM
Just saw the episode and have to say--I enjoyed it. No, I'm sure it's not great science. let's face it, Daniel made the point that they 100% did not bring along someone who knew what they were doing (Sam who would have had it figured out).

Still, some funny visuals with Mitchell and Vala moving identically when they were disarming themselves for the security guards. I liked Daniel's confused expression and Teal'c's "Die Hard".

Like "Bounty", it's mostly fluff but it was entertaining fluff that made me laugh. If I want "die-hard" in your face drama, I'll watch Battlestar Galactica (or maybe I won't, as I'm a little tired of ALL the drama).

Pharaoh Atem
February 14th, 2007, 05:34 PM
story by Ben browder & martin gero ....kinda took me by surprise. remind me never to piss off Micheal shanks wow after 9+ years you've never seen him get upset like that.

i loved the teal'c moment when he zated the chancler please remain calm while we insert word i can't spell this problem ( not sure the exact quote) the vala lesson on stealing was funny. my only problem is that the museum looked to earth like.


overall very fun but different episode.:)

suzannag
February 14th, 2007, 05:56 PM
Transcript & Image Gallery [516] have now been posted for S10 Ep16 Bad Guys.


http://www.scifiquest.com/stargatesg1

Suzanna

http://www.scifiquest.com/michaelshanks
http://www.scifiquest.com/richarddeananderson
http://www.scifiquest.com/forum

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
February 14th, 2007, 06:21 PM
Just finished. I've got to say I didn't expect that Ben was responsible for the Story (along with Gero). This one was different, although the hallway reminded me of the hallway from Bounty, in the high school. I wonder how different it would be if Amanda were in it. This back half is really surprising me because I thought most some of the episodes would suck. I give it a **1/2.

duckedtapedemon
February 14th, 2007, 06:36 PM
Daniel looked like he was about to go crazy. And I thought it was nice to see the GDO again, its been a LONG time since we've seen one I think. I'd say that this episode was kind of a homage to the older ones, just seeing all the ould Gould stuff was great, and the gateroom reminded me of Abydos.

h4mx0r
February 14th, 2007, 07:24 PM
I enjoyed most of the episode all the way up until the end. I didn't quite like the aftermath : /

However, while you all bash this episode, (and I have to kinda agree with some points) I think this episode's script would be better meant for a longer episode. I don't mean that I want them to make a two hour episode for this, but just that in order for this premise to work out well, it would have to be a longer episode. One hour isn't enough to develop enough plot/twists/character dev in one episode for this premise.

PG15
February 14th, 2007, 08:12 PM
That reminds me; IMHO this episode had some of the best dialogue and best delivery of the entire series (for the main characters, anyway). If there's one thing Gero does well (and there are plenty), it's dialogue and overall banter.

RepliCartertje
February 14th, 2007, 09:22 PM
Ok I just watched the ep...and also just read all 9 pages on this thread...and I think I must agree with some of you...this must be the worst ep ever...ok maybe not ever...But certainly worst ep of season 10... This one can really can join the bad eps season 9 had.

I honestly think this was one big joke. Cause that did it seem to me. A joke...A big joke.I can really not take that in any way serious. If that is supposed to be a funny ep...then they failed miserably. If this was a 'filler' ep...they also failed miserably...Actually in ever aspect they failed. I really wasn't expecting much after reading some of the spoilers...But after seeing the ep...I am really dissapointed in it. For me this is again seeing season 9. The writers didn't do a good job with it. The story...wait was there even a story? Cause honestly to me there wasn't...I mean they go to a planet to find a weapon...Come in a museum...take hostages and go back home...For me that isn't really a story...certainly not for SG-1.
Why even write such a story in the first place? I mean like SG-1 would ever do such a things??

Not only did I think there wasn't a story but it seemed like everyone was so OOC...especially Daniel...I have seen some changes in his character that I already thought were totally OOC but this is the worst I have seen ever... I mean Daniel would never ever do such a thing. He would try to talk to the people convince them they weren't the bad guys...That they were just explorers who wanted to go home again...yes he changed but this change...nope that isn't Daniel...I think it is his evil twin...or maybe some effect of being a prior or something...Oh well lets face it...it is jut bad writing.

Also I am sad to see Vala back to that thief thing...I mean we have seen her in a few eps now and she changed to a fragile women, insecure and really someone who you can depend on who needs to feel welcommed and feel loved and now she is back to the funny thief character...I don't think that is how someone changes...and then her "funny" jokes...sorry couldn't appreciate them at all... and the glasscutter (sp?) it is even worse then the hairdryer in the Quest. Really what does she also bring... I mean next week there will be a fridge in there cause she might be hungry... Oh come on...this must be a joke...

Cameron...well for once I didn't think he was that annoying...probably cause I though Daniel was too annoying so I didn't notice it to much...

Teal'c...wait what he again has the guns and is being the gun-shooting men...wow surprise there ;)

I am glad like some of you Sam wasn't in the ep...I am a big fan of Sam... But I am glad she wasn't in it...cause that way they can't ruin her character...Cause that is what they have done in this ep though...ruin the characters even more then they used to do...
I still think it is strange that after what 2 eps now...That is like at least a week...Or even more...Sam has to debrief the president...I mean isn't that something you try to do immediatly...Or at least a few days after not after a week...

After LitS and RnT and tS...we get 2 eps who really aren't worth re-watching ever...While Bounty had some moments that were funny this one was just over the top with everything... Not only the main characters but also the guest appearances where totally said and annoying to see...

Summary: an ep I will never ever watch...and if you haven't seen the ep I wouldn't recommended it... Cause you will be dissapointed in it.

I don't know what the next ep will be but I know I will not have any hopes up ... Although can it go any worse then this ep??? I don't think so

the fifth man
February 14th, 2007, 09:55 PM
Definitely mixed reviews for this episode. I can't wait to get through it so I can judge for myself.

jerkface
February 14th, 2007, 10:21 PM
Man, this episode left me so cold. I haven't seen Die Hard, or Airheads, or whatever movie they're "parodying" this week, but I felt like nearly all the humor misfired. I was there with them through the opening; I always like "it's really a museum"-type ideas. I thought the set looked nice, and even provided some really neat atmosphere, with Goa'uld masks and armour in the background of many shots. I even liked the aliens' uniforms (a little new BSG-ish almost?).

But do they have to go so broad with all the humor? And do the characters have to become so damned dumb to pull it off? I thought all the performances were fine; I think the actors gave them the tone that was intended. It just was too farcical for me.

I agree with the rest of your post, golfbooy, but especially:


[...]
Bad Guys was a missed opportunity. It wasn't a horrible premise, and if that's what Ben Browder contributed, then good for him. It could have made for an ok episode. But Martin Gero failed. Well, he not so much failed as much as he Atlantisized this one. What does that mean, you ask? Well, "Atlantisizing" an episode is my little pet term for how the writers on Atlantis seem to be unable to consistently write any conflict into an episode without lobotomizing the so-called "best and brightest" that Earth has to offer. So long as you can suspend your disbelief enough to buy that highly trained and experienced individuals can be so mind-numbingly stupid, then everything makes sense. If not, well, you know. "Atlantisizing" an episode also quite frequently involves excessively childish sight-gags and inane action sequences featuring "weapons at maximum" and long camera shots of our intrepid heroes running down corridors amidst a hail storm of bullets/ray gun blasts. Martin Gero has supplied all this for the benefit of us reluctant Atlantis viewers in his sole SG-1 offering this year. Thanks, Martin. Happy Valentine's Day to you, too. Couple this cracker of a script with Peter DeLuise's newfound inability to imbue an episode with anything remotely resembling either that "Stargate" feeling or seriousness, and toss in the fact that there seems to be no on-set producer to oversee the most basic quality control, and you've pretty much got yourself a recipe for turning out the same dreck that we saw in much of season nine that cost the show so many viewers.
[...]


What's really strange to me is that a lot of SGA's worst episodes (this season especially) have felt like they've been run through an awful filter to make them sound like bad farces of SG-1. Bad Guys felt like one of those episodes vomited back up on SG-1. :danielanime07:

I would like an orange-tan Daniel icon though.

Lightbane
February 14th, 2007, 10:29 PM
This episode was even more funny then bounty and this time the being actually made sense instead of being dropped into what seemed the middle of the plot not the start.

All the moments with Daniel were funny, the catfight was really funny, and Vala with her 'expert' thieving skills and also her inablity to turn off the bomb...

Also did anybody catch the reference to 2.03 'Prisoners' where Carter and the crazy lady used the 'seaweed' to charge the gate?

the fifth man
February 14th, 2007, 11:06 PM
This episode was even more funny then bounty and this time the being actually made sense instead of being dropped into what seemed the middle of the plot not the start.

All the moments with Daniel were funny, the catfight was really funny, and Vala with her 'expert' thieving skills and also her inablity to turn off the bomb...

Also did anybody catch the reference to 2.03 'Prisoners' where Carter and the crazy lady used the 'seaweed' to charge the gate?

I really enjoyed this episode. It had a good story to it IMO, and was funny as hell. There were moments, especially the scene with Daniel yelling at those two women, that had me practically rolling on the floor laughing.:D

Teal'c is quite the movie buff, isn't he?

I caught the reference to Season 3's "Prisoners" as well. They've been great at referencing previous seasons' events recently.

Ace
February 14th, 2007, 11:06 PM
After reading all the reviews I thought I wasn't going to enjoy this episode. However I thought it was really good... a very good story. It harkened back to the old days of simple stand-alone episodes where SG-1 went through the gate found themselves in trouble and then got back home.

It was really good... The last half of Season 10 have been the greatest episodes Stargate has produced in its 10 year run. With this realization I'm even more sad than I was about Scifi cancelling SG-1.

Just think in a year's time we won't have any more SG-1 adventures to watch! :(

Ace

Lady Snow
February 14th, 2007, 11:44 PM
I thought it was hilarious. It's certainly not the best-written episode ever, nor the best overall - but it was quality entertainment.

I agree with you, Ace - on all points. These last few episodes have been some of the most "classic" SG-1 episodes, hearkening back to S2/S3 and providing the episode environment that S7/S8/S9 lacked. I mean, honestly - who doesn't love Daniel and Jack bantering? The stand-alone episodes had fallen by the wayside (for the most part).

And Daniel screaming at those girls was hilarious. Though I did laugh when "Cicero" popped up. If only he had been a better speaker... ;)

silence
February 15th, 2007, 01:57 AM
After reading all the reviews I thought I wasn't going to enjoy this episode. However I thought it was really good... a very good story. It harkened back to the old days of simple stand-alone episodes where SG-1 went through the gate found themselves in trouble and then got back home.


i liked that feeling too. Goa'uld story-arc went for so long, cause there were many eps like this .. gate to new world -> get in trouble -> get out of trouble -> gate home.

maybe it was done more lightly then early seasons, but Ori story-arc is also much darker then Goa'uld (at least IMO), so they did some balancing.

Tantalus
February 15th, 2007, 06:36 AM
I found this episode very enjoyable. It was very nostalgic in that it was back to basics; a gate exploration with jeopardy and a solution, but with an interesting and refreshing twist. I really liked Ben's pitch and Martin Gero's writing I feel is being unfairly represented by some. Overall I prefer S9's The Powers That Be but not by any great distance. Even though I'm a very big fan of Sam, her being missing from the episode meant the original S9 team were left together, meaning there was well placed dynamic shift.

Daniel was OOC and appropriately so considering the ruse they were trying to maintain (only if someone moved a newly discovered artifact without permission would he normally resort to taking hostages). It was amusing that his attempts to mask his peaceful nature were so unconvincing, and no wonder.

Mitchell's first contact speech in front of the event horizon was good, very Stargate.

I don't think Vala had regressed (have you encountered anyone who isn't a) boring or b) in denial act the same all the time?) There will always be a playful and quirky side to Vala despite or perhaps because of what she has endured (as a defence mechanism). As for the glass cutter, I would have thought it infinitely more plausible a thief would bring along one of those than a hairdryer, not the other way around.

Teal'c was his usual stoic yet funny self, *zats hostage* "Please remain calm as we attempt to rectify this most unfortunate circumstance". Didn't Chris Judge say he wanted to be back to action Teal'c a bit more? Plus there's Talion coming up next.

I would never let some very minor grievances like a woman screaming a bit excessively be anything more than a slight detriment to an otherwise good episode. I don't think we were supposed to laugh, I think we were meant to encourage Mitchell's "Stop screaming!" The night guard was truly pathetic, but it was Mitchell and Vala's mocking reactions that were hilarious.

In my mind, S10 has had another good addition with this episode and with Bounty contributed to a necessary break after 5 heavy Ori arc episodes. I thought the SGC scene at the end was a nice preparation for the last four episodes.

Ruffles
February 15th, 2007, 09:25 AM
Teal'c was his usual stoic yet funny self, *zats hostage* "Please remain calm as we attempt to rectify this most unfortunate circumstance". Didn't Chris Judge say he wanted to be back to action Teal'c a bit more? Plus there's Talion coming up next.


My other favorite Teal'c moment was the look he gave Daniel when Daniel told the negotiator that they wouldn't kill anyone. The look just said "Moron" all over it. Hilarious.

I didn't know anything about the ep before watching (stayed away from the spoilers). I'm middle of the road on it - thought it was laugh out loud in places, kinda silly in others. Not the best I've seen but certainly not the worst. An enjoyable 45 minutes overall.

flynn1959
February 15th, 2007, 09:33 AM
[QUOTE=RepliCartertje;6329912]Ok I just watched the ep...and also just read all 9 pages on this thread...and I think I must agree with some of you...this must be the worst ep ever...ok maybe not ever...But certainly worst ep of season 10... This one can really can join the bad eps season 9 had.

Grace, Space Race, Prodigy, Divide And Conquer, Emancipation, Line In he Sand, all candidates for worst episode ever, then again could anything be as bad as The Road Not Taken? I don't think this one was bad at all, it had the team, off world, working together. Some really good lines and wonderful acting, this season has been great apart from the odd clunker,eg. TRNT. Season nine started really, really well, the first five episodes were amazing, in fact most of season nine was pretty damn good in my book. Just goes to show to each thier own.

scarimor
February 15th, 2007, 12:23 PM
Yes but unfortunately his acting in this episode was awful.
The worst I've seen of him, and lately that's saying something. From petulant Daniel in The Shroud to... this. :(


Just wondering...

Does anyone else think that the reason they could not dial back to the planet at the end of the episode, was because Vala was wrong about the gate depleting the bomb's naquahdah core, and therefore it exploded.

Now that really would be "Worst. First contact. Ever." :)
ROFL!

Origin1981
February 15th, 2007, 12:26 PM
The Bad guys episode was a pointless show for the 5 remaining shows of the SG-1 series. It was a throwback from when they went from planet to planet as explorers. It in no way developed the Ori plot which it should have.

PG15
February 15th, 2007, 12:34 PM
Uh...so?

It's a standalone episode written and shot before the cancellation notice came from SciFi (well, the notice came partway through filming).

Tantalus
February 15th, 2007, 12:42 PM
It's a standalone episode written and shot before the cancellation notice came from SciFi (well, the notice came partway through filming).

Quoted for truth

Major_Moomin
February 15th, 2007, 12:50 PM
Personally, I thought it was hilarious. :P We don't need doom and gloom all the time, even with the cancellation. I thought it was a perect mix of humour and drama. Sg1 at it's best imo. :)

Bragi
February 15th, 2007, 12:57 PM
NO!

Every show should have a tie-in to the metaplot! No stand alone episodes!

NO STAND ALONE EPISODES!


AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BloomGate
February 15th, 2007, 01:00 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. I really don't understand why some folks insist on believing that their opinion is more valid than that of others.

I've always seperated SG1 eps into 2 catagories: 1. Stories that continue one of the current story arcs, and 2. One offs.

This was obviously a One off. I have always enjoyed the irreverence and humor that SG1 often displays in some of their One off episodes. Window of Opportunity and Urgo are a perfect examples IMHO.

I think that *some* of those that disliked it are either impatient with the pace of the current story arc (which confuses me because I think I read that only the final 3 episodes weren't already filmed when they found out there was to be no season 11) or they prefer the darker and more brooding type of episode.

I really don't understand how anyone can suggest that this was the worst episode ever when we've been subjected to clunkers like 1.03 Emancipation and 2.19 One False Step which I think were the worst ever. I didn't have too much trouble getting through Emancipation once because I couldn't wait to see if Sam got dressed up in any other funky costumes: ONCE. However, it took me 4 tries to get through One False Step because I kept falling asleep!! The plot was Soooooo obvious: We introduced something into their environment that is deadly to these creatures and now it's our moral obligation to figure out how to fix it. I think I've seen probably 7 Star Trek episodes in the same vein throughout the various iterations. No cool bad guys. No cool SFX. No continuation of the current arcs. No funny stuff. What's to like?

I would just encourage folks to refrain from absolute value judgements in the expression of their opinions. It only kills any credibility one might have of them if someone watches it themselves and disagree. If someone says "I didn't like it because...." then others can listen to the reasoning and judge for themselves if they think they might like it. There's a phrase I made up on the subject of absolutes "Never always comes and Always never lasts."

Obviously I can't tell people how to express themselves, I can only point out that their opinions lose value when they exaggerate through hyperbole. I mean really, if you post here to sway opinion or give knowledge, doesn't it kind of defeat the whole point if you lose all credibility?

wise one
February 15th, 2007, 01:16 PM
well it showed that night watchmen can be heroes

Team SG-1*save the show*
February 15th, 2007, 01:29 PM
EDIT: I was thinking of the episode before (BOUNTY). sorry
:daniel: :sam: :tealc: :cameron: :vala:

Ripple in Space
February 15th, 2007, 01:36 PM
I think this episode was really funny. pointless it was not. firstly it was ending the conflict with Netan and part of the Lucien allience and also you have to have some funny episodes. thats what makes stargate so fantastic!

:daniel: :sam: :tealc: :cameron: :vala:

Huh? None of those things were even mentioned in this episode. I agree that it was something of a throwback to SG-1's exploration days, but it was missing half of what made those eps so good ( :sam: & :jack: ). It wasn't good, poorly produced episode.

Team SG-1*save the show*
February 15th, 2007, 01:52 PM
sorry im on about the episode before oops lol (BOUNTY)

maybe they were going to go back to that planet later on in the next season but as PG15 said the show was cancelled half way through. if you remember at the beginning of the episode they were on about a device.

HyperCaz
February 15th, 2007, 04:32 PM
I can't explain why, but I LOVED this episode. The whole idea amused me greatly...and I was just overjoyed to see all the Goa'uld museum pieces. When they first came out of the Stargate and Danny started looking at the walls, I was reminded instantly of the good old days of exploration into uncharted Goa'uld territory...*sighs happily* I actually remarked to me brother that it was like Die Hard BEFORE they made the reference :D :D and as I love Die Hard...well I just love hostage situations.

Although I felt Danny yelling at the women was OOC, it was still very amusing to see him lose it...and try to act rebel :D

Sam would have made things interesting, but although the episode wasn't of a SUPER high quality, it's one of my favs for the season.

Highlight - "rebel scum" :D

shoarn
February 15th, 2007, 06:57 PM
I read some of the opinions here before viewing this episode and rather than reiterating the same sentiments, I'll simply say that I whole eartedly agree with Tantalus. I enjoyed this episode for what it was, a standalone jaunt with our favorite characters! Too soon there will no longer be any new episodes to complain and disect every phrase, look, character flaw, writing mis-steps etc... so I plan to relish every episode left and be thankful for 10 great years of stories.

Mitchell82
February 15th, 2007, 07:28 PM
I must say after reading some of the negativity on this i took longer than normal to watch it. I finally did tonight and absolutly loved it! I love all of SG-1s episodes mainly because I watch each ep as it is intended. In every single season there are eps that deal with the main storyline and stand alones. This was a great standalone. It was action packed, funny and just all out fun. The screaming girl was alittle anoying and so was the security gard. I aplauded when Cam taped his mouth. Great to see Vala's skills come into play, neat to see Dany as a negotiater and basically playing a role within a role. Loved seeing the GDO again and every ep I watch while good just makes me sadder knowing that there are only 4 eps left.:mckay: :danielanime08: :tealcanime22: :sheppardanime32: :weiranime22: :sholva: 8/10

wedge11
February 15th, 2007, 08:34 PM
It must seem like this is all i do but: i found a goof in the begining of the episode.
when cam picks up the fake dhd and you can clearly see most of the symbols you can notice up the top there is the earth's point of origin symbol.
why is that there? as far as i know that symbol is unique to earth and shouldn't appear on any other dhd.

p.s. sorry if this has been mentioned before.

Pegasus_SGA
February 15th, 2007, 08:39 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. I really don't understand why some folks insist on believing that their opinion is more valid than that of others. [/qu ote]

I don't remember anyone saying that their opinion is more valid than someone elses here. I think maybe some people can't exactly place what was wrong with this ep, just everything seemed to be out of balance, not just one thing. And when that's the case it's hard to express in words what was actually wrong. But those that have been able to vocalise specifically why they didn't like it have summed it up for me very well.

[QUOTE]
I've always seperated SG1 eps into 2 catagories: 1. Stories that continue one of the current story arcs, and 2. One offs.

This was obviously a One off. I have always enjoyed the irreverence and humor that SG1 often displays in some of their One off episodes. Window of Opportunity and Urgo are a perfect examples IMHO.

I think that *some* of those that disliked it are either impatient with the pace of the current story arc (which confuses me because I think I read that only the final 3 episodes weren't already filmed when they found out there was to be no season 11) or they prefer the darker and more brooding type of episode.


I'm the same, always seperate those into Arc's or stand alones, and really enjoyed those eps that you mentioned. Those were very funny episodes, but for me this ep was nowhere near the quality of the eps you mentioned because it was too OTT and OOC, and the screaming women, please!! And the whole 'Don't you understand the rules of being a hostage'. I mean, c'mon it was so lame. If the hostages truly didn't believe the team capable of carrying out the actions that they were supposed to be accused of, then why was everyone still sitting around. If they were supposed to be feared then why have that little side show with the bickering females? At least make it look believeable... did that make any sense?

Why would you say that those that either disliked the ep are impatient or like something darker? Please try not to catagorize people without having some rationale to back up your point because putting people into catagories can cause arguments and then feelings are hurt...it's not pretty, lol. For me, I didn't like it, it was boring, cliche, unbelievable, story line was just not exciting enough to hold my attention. Sometimes the best eps are fillers, or stand alones, but sorry not this one. But again it always amazes me the diversity of this forum, and i always wonder how people's perceptions differ on certain eps and I love reading everyone's thoughts even if I don't always agree with them.




I really don't understand how anyone can suggest that this was the worst episode ever when we've been subjected to clunkers like 1.03 Emancipation and 2.19 One False Step which I think were the worst ever. I didn't have too much trouble getting through Emancipation once because I couldn't wait to see if Sam got dressed up in any other funky costumes: ONCE. However, it took me 4 tries to get through One False Step because I kept falling asleep!! The plot was Soooooo obvious: We introduced something into their environment that is deadly to these creatures and now it's our moral obligation to figure out how to fix it. I think I've seen probably 7 Star Trek episodes in the same vein throughout the various iterations. No cool bad guys. No cool SFX. No continuation of the current arcs. No funny stuff. What's to like?


Lol, and I don't understand how you like it so much *shrugs*, but there ya go. If you did a poll on the best and worse of SG1 or SGA you'd see a complete mix, sometimes that's just the way it goes.


I would just encourage folks to refrain from absolute value judgements in the expression of their opinions. It only kills any credibility one might have of them if someone watches it themselves and disagree. If someone says "I didn't like it because...." then others can listen to the reasoning and judge for themselves if they think they might like it. There's a phrase I made up on the subject of absolutes "Never always comes and Always never lasts."

Obviously I can't tell people how to express themselves, I can only point out that their opinions lose value when they exaggerate through hyperbole. I mean really, if you post here to sway opinion or give knowledge, doesn't it kind of defeat the whole point if you lose all credibility?

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, but this is a forum and people can say what they want ias long as it's in the rules and I don't think anyone has the right to say they should refrain from absolute value judgements when expressing oppinions. The whole idea is to debate the episode... either just the good points or just the bad or a mixed bag, and what I love about debating is trying to explain to the other posters why I don't agree with them, and most of the time it can be fun, otherwise it would get pretty boring fast if everyone agreed.

the fifth man
February 15th, 2007, 08:39 PM
I read some of the opinions here before viewing this episode and rather than reiterating the same sentiments, I'll simply say that I whole eartedly agree with Tantalus. I enjoyed this episode for what it was, a standalone jaunt with our favorite characters! Too soon there will no longer be any new episodes to complain and disect every phrase, look, character flaw, writing mis-steps etc... so I plan to relish every episode left and be thankful for 10 great years of stories.

Great post, my friend. I agree with everything you just posted.:) We have a lot to be thankful for over these past 10 seasons. IMO, this episode was just another to add to my long list of great episodes.

Battera
February 15th, 2007, 09:56 PM
This was easily one of the funniest episodes ever, and certainly is now one of my favorites.

When Vala was demonstrating how to steal a treasure from a 'glass enclosure', and they way it was filmed looked almost like it was a special on Discovery Channel :P

I personally think that I could have acted better that some of the people who played the hostages (namely the screaming woman. I'm not a woman, but I can scream more convincingly...), but other than that the episode was golden. Plus we get to see what will happen to stargate sg-1's best props in tenety years if a fan doesn't buy them all on eBay.

Ksenia
February 16th, 2007, 02:51 AM
I thought this episode was fantastic, one of the funniest ones they've done in ages. I always like it when the team gets to play up their witty sides - and our crew is awesome with facial expressions.

Loved Daniel's reluctant but hiliarious take on taking hostages, and trying to control them.

Teal'c - great reaction to Daniel's miserable comments to the negotiator, Die Hard, and that great little smile after zatting the councillor and explaining.

Vala - Thieving 101!

Mitchell - Loved his reaction to Vala's turning on the bomb.

Liked the senior negotiator and also the really liked the fellow playing 'Daniel's kindred spirit.'

I thought alot of the comic timing in this episode was fantastic, and loved the expressions and also the delivery of the lines, especially from the night security guard, Daniel, and Teal'c.

Naonak
February 16th, 2007, 03:35 AM
Grace, Space Race, Prodigy, Divide And Conquer, Emancipation, Line In he Sand, all candidates for worst episode ever, then again could anything be as bad as The Road Not Taken? I don't think this one was bad at all, it had the team, off world, working together. Some really good lines and wonderful acting, this season has been great apart from the odd clunker,eg. TRNT. Season nine started really, really well, the first five episodes were amazing, in fact most of season nine was pretty damn good in my book. Just goes to show to each thier own.

So... Not a fan of Carter, then?

flynn1959
February 16th, 2007, 05:27 AM
So... Not a fan of Carter, then?

No, also not a fan of really bad episodes. One of the main reasons I hate Space Race was the god-awful outfit they put poor Teal'c in!! Grace was just plain silly, even for a cheap filler episode. Oh and I just remembered Avenger 2.0, now that was a truly bad one.

The Ori
February 16th, 2007, 06:08 AM
Yeh, I liked it a lot, it seemed like one of those SG-1 episodes, but if O'Niell was there it would have been a very very good, oh I'm so sad that its getting cancelled!

Actionhank
February 16th, 2007, 07:01 AM
Please remain calm as we attempt to rectify this most unfortunate circumstance.
:cool:

talyn2k1
February 16th, 2007, 02:28 PM
It must seem like this is all i do but: i found a goof in the begining of the episode.
when cam picks up the fake dhd and you can clearly see most of the symbols you can notice up the top there is the earth's point of origin symbol.
why is that there? as far as i know that symbol is unique to earth and shouldn't appear on any other dhd.

p.s. sorry if this has been mentioned before.

I noticed that too. They were just using their standard cheap DHD prop but with rubbish lighting so that it looked fake.
Didn't really bother me but I wouldn't have thought it would cost that much to make a new insert to replace the Earth symbol with some random made up symbol.


Please remain calm as we attempt to rectify this most unfortunate circumstance.

Loved that. The mrs looked at me strange cos she couldn't figure out why it was funny. You have to know the characters to reallt get it I suppose...

I know some people have said about Daniel being out of character and they are right, he was. But lets face it, hes in a bizarre situation trying to pretend to be a ruthless rebel, I imagine i`d go a bit ott if I was trying to pull that off.

"You better not get cute or there's gonna be killin'"

lol @ that scene too.

Great standalone episode and another corker in a long run of top notch eps.
8/10

Bring on Dominion!

Mitchell82
February 16th, 2007, 04:14 PM
It must seem like this is all i do but: i found a goof in the begining of the episode.
when cam picks up the fake dhd and you can clearly see most of the symbols you can notice up the top there is the earth's point of origin symbol.
why is that there? as far as i know that symbol is unique to earth and shouldn't appear on any other dhd.

p.s. sorry if this has been mentioned before.
It happens from time to time. It is unique to Earth as the point of Origin but in several eps it is on the DHD. It even was on an Atlantis gate by mistake.

suse
February 16th, 2007, 08:03 PM
No, also not a fan of really bad episodes. One of the main reasons I hate Space Race was the god-awful outfit they put poor Teal'c in!! Grace was just plain silly, even for a cheap filler episode. Oh and I just remembered Avenger 2.0, now that was a truly bad one.

Let's not forget Enemy Mine. And Prometheus Unbound.

suse

suse
February 16th, 2007, 08:08 PM
Quote:

Originally Posted by RepliCartertje
Ok I just watched the ep...and also just read all 9 pages on this thread...and I think I must agree with some of you...this must be the worst ep ever...ok maybe not ever...But certainly worst ep of season 10... This one can really can join the bad eps season 9 had.
Grace, Space Race, Prodigy, Divide And Conquer, Emancipation, Line In he Sand, all candidates for worst episode ever, then again could anything be as bad as The Road Not Taken? I don't think this one was bad at all, it had the team, off world, working together. Some really good lines and wonderful acting, this season has been great apart from the odd clunker,eg. TRNT. Season nine started really, really well, the first five episodes were amazing, in fact most of season nine was pretty damn good in my book. Just goes to show to each thier own.


Indeed to each his own as the episodes you described are some of my all time favs. Agree on season 9 and Bad guys however.


I just rectified how the post is supposed to read. I'll delete it if Mitchell82 fixes his. Replicartertje would never say that second paragraph.

suse

RepliCartertje
February 16th, 2007, 09:20 PM
I just rectified how the post is supposed to read. I'll delete it if Mitchell82 fixes his. Replicartertje would never say that second paragraph.

suse
Nope didn't say that at all...cause honestly I think those are a few of the eps I really like ;) Thank you Suse for noticing :)

But like you said to each their own eh ;)

tsaxlady
February 16th, 2007, 09:45 PM
Well I would not say this is the worst episode ever - Sight Unseen holds that for me. But I would not classifiy it as a top episode either. It was just a eh episode for me. Had a few good moments. I would say as far as season 10 goes this was the low point so far for me personally.

Mitchell82
February 16th, 2007, 10:57 PM
Nope didn't say that at all...cause honestly I think those are a few of the eps I really like ;) Thank you Suse for noticing :)

But like you said to each their own eh ;)

Sorry about that. I simply read it wrong. I hate it when people don't quote right.

Mitchell82
February 16th, 2007, 10:59 PM
I just rectified how the post is supposed to read. I'll delete it if Mitchell82 fixes his. Replicartertje would never say that second paragraph.

suse

I deleted that post. I didnt even realize that it was a messed up quoting. Sorry about that thank you for pointing it out.

flynn1959
February 17th, 2007, 02:46 AM
Let's not forget Enemy Mine. And Prometheus Unbound.

suse

Oh I will never forget those two wonderful episodes, I watch them all the time.

Quality scripts and amazing acting are worth repeated viewings. Perhaps that's why we get really bad episodes like Grace etc to balance out the good ones. Makes us appriciate the great stuff like Enemy Mine and Prometheus Unbound all the more.

Bad Guys had even more for us to appriciate too.

dosed150
February 17th, 2007, 03:45 AM
i liked this episode i missed them going out and making contact with races who had never met aliens and it was funny in parts seems the whole thing was kind was about revealing the stargate to the people from the explanation of where carter is to the reactions of the people on the planet that planet seemed pretty messed up im thinking maybe the rebels may be in the right shame their government has its "win" now if these people get mentioned again i bet the ori will have arrived and theyll be more screwed than they would be if they hadnt buried their heads in the sand

RepliCartertje
February 17th, 2007, 05:23 AM
Oh I will never forget those two wonderful episodes, I watch them all the time.

Quality scripts and amazing acting are worth repeated viewings. Perhaps that's why we get really bad episodes like Grace etc to balance out the good ones. Makes us appriciate the great stuff like Enemy Mine and Prometheus Unbound all the more.

Bad Guys had even more for us to appriciate too.
Can I ask you a question...Do you really dislike every Carter ep?? and only love eps with Daniel in it...Cause honestly that is what it looks like to me... Cause all the eps you name to like and dislike are ending up that way.
It seems to me that to you Daniel is good...Carter is bad...
I mean I can honestly say that I really like Carter but even in eps where she is hardly in it...I still like those eps if they are written really good...Or if the story is really nice and the acting good...But none of that did I see with Bad Guys...
I must admit the story had potention to become a great story. I liked the idea behind the fact that Sam couldn't be there to help them out and all...But when I saw the ep it was just all OTT. I mean really the acting of MS the most. I mean that isn't the real Daniel... But then again he changed a lot in the season...So maybe this is who he has become although I must say I can not see it happening. I mean no one change character that fast... or that radical(sp?)
Yes people change but not like Daniel changed... Yes the other characters changed...but in a way that it is believable... I think that Daniel just changed to much. and has become evil in a way so what it doesn't make it something I would believe. Since Daniel always was the man who reasened and talked and believed in the goodness of people... he also was always friendly...granted sometimes he wasn't but that had his reasons. He would never become someone like he was in Bad Guys...

Madeleine
February 17th, 2007, 05:46 AM
I think that Daniel just changed to much. and has become evil in a way so what it doesn't make it something I would believe.

Evil? What has daniel done that's evil? :confused:


Since Daniel always was the man who reasened and talked and believed in the goodness of people... he also was always friendly...granted sometimes he wasn't but that had his reasons.

Which was probably why he was the one saying that no they shouldn't become Kidnappers but should go with the honesty and friendliness, wouldn't you say? Cam and Vala wanted to be Bad Guys, and Teal'c seemed on-board, but Daniel dissented. And it's Daniel who you feel was acting imorrally? :confused::confused


He would never become someone like he was in Bad Guys...
What would 'your' Daniel have done in that ep then? Priggishly refused to go along with the plan that - despite Daniel thinking it a bad (as in immoral and also as in poorly conceived) plan - did at least carry a chance of salvation; the plan his comrades were engaged in? He's already condemned his team to a spell in a naquadah mine with a unilateral burst of ill-thought-out decency once. He can be forgiven, I think, for trying to keep his friends alive by going along with their play-acting.

And that's all it was: playacting. He wasn't very good at it. Daniel didn't want to be a kidnapper, and it's not in his nature, so he didn't act the part terribly well. You're absolutely right that he'd never become someone like the kidnapper that the natives in Bad Guys thought he was, and that's why he couldn't really play the part convincingly.

He didn't hurt, torture or kill anyone. He barked at a couple of people. Was that very horrid of him? Evil?

But you speak as if he did become a nasty kidnapping villain in Bad Guys. I don't think he did. If you do, what would you have had him do differently? I'm interested.

talyn2k1
February 17th, 2007, 06:48 AM
Evil? What has daniel done that's evil? :confused:



Which was probably why he was the one saying that no they shouldn't become Kidnappers but should go with the honesty and friendliness, wouldn't you say? Cam and Vala wanted to be Bad Guys, and Teal'c seemed on-board, but Daniel dissented. And it's Daniel who you feel was acting imorrally? :confused::confused


What would 'your' Daniel have done in that ep then? Priggishly refused to go along with the plan that - despite Daniel thinking it a bad (as in immoral and also as in poorly conceived) plan - did at least carry a chance of salvation; the plan his comrades were engaged in? He's already condemned his team to a spell in a naquadah mine with a unilateral burst of ill-thought-out decency once. He can be forgiven, I think, for trying to keep his friends alive by going along with their play-acting.

And that's all it was: playacting. He wasn't very good at it. Daniel didn't want to be a kidnapper, and it's not in his nature, so he didn't act the part terribly well. You're absolutely right that he'd never become someone like the kidnapper that the natives in Bad Guys thought he was, and that's why he couldn't really play the part convincingly.

He didn't hurt, torture or kill anyone. He barked at a couple of people. Was that very horrid of him? Evil?

But you speak as if he did become a nasty kidnapping villain in Bad Guys. I don't think he did. If you do, what would you have had him do differently? I'm interested.

I thought Ms played it perfectly well. By that I mean he was playing the part of Daniel very well trying to be a rebel very badly...if that makes sense.
I can totally imagine Daniel freaking out and going a bit ott in that situation.

And as for people talking about Daniel changing and being evil, its a filler episode fcol! There are never any major character behaviour changes in filler eps, they were just showing Daniel going ott in a screwed up situation't know how to handle.

I thought it was great and showed very possibly how any one of us would react when in such a bizarre situation that we have to pretend to be someone who is such a total polar opposite to how we actually are.

Don't read the ep as Daniel being Daniel, read it as Daniel trying to be a rebel and the whole ep will make alot more sense.

jenks
February 17th, 2007, 06:54 AM
Let's not forget Enemy Mine. And Prometheus Unbound.

suse

Bah! Enemy Mine is one of my favourite episodes!

Madeleine
February 17th, 2007, 06:58 AM
I thought Ms played it perfectly well. By that I mean he was playing the part of Daniel very well trying to be a rebel very badly...if that makes sense.
Yep, makes sense to me. MS is a great actor, Daniel isn't. :)

Hubble
February 17th, 2007, 08:56 AM
Yep, makes sense to me. MS is a great actor, Daniel isn't. :)


I think MS is a very good actor; I reserve the word "great" for other actors though. I understand that they were trying to show Daniel behaving in a manner which was contrary to his nature; that he would not have been comfortable being mean and nasty and wasn't good at it - I had no problem with that. I did think his acting was OTT in the sense that when he was talking to the girls - the tone of voice, the exaggeration, etc., reminded me of the William Shatner school of acting - something of which I'm not all that fond.

I've seen him be sharp with Vala (as in when he said something like 'How about more of shut the hell up?") That kind of behavior would have worked in this episode, IMO. I just think they went too far in *trying* to be funny (as with the Security Guard). When they really obviously try to be funny, it oftentimes doesn't work for me.

Mitchell82
February 17th, 2007, 09:49 AM
I thought Ms played it perfectly well. By that I mean he was playing the part of Daniel very well trying to be a rebel very badly...if that makes sense.
I can totally imagine Daniel freaking out and going a bit ott in that situation.

And as for people talking about Daniel changing and being evil, its a filler episode fcol! There are never any major character behaviour changes in filler eps, they were just showing Daniel going ott in a screwed up situation't know how to handle.

I thought it was great and showed very possibly how any one of us would react when in such a bizarre situation that we have to pretend to be someone who is such a total polar opposite to how we actually are.

Don't read the ep as Daniel being Daniel, read it as Daniel trying to be a rebel and the whole ep will make alot more sense.

Agreed. The way Daniel handled himself is one of the main reasons this ep was so good IMO.

flynn1959
February 17th, 2007, 12:12 PM
Can I ask you a question...Do you really dislike every Carter ep?? and only love eps with Daniel in it...Cause honestly that is what it looks like to me... Cause all the eps you name to like and dislike are ending up that way.
It seems to me that to you Daniel is good...Carter is bad...
I mean I can honestly say that I really like Carter but even in eps where she is hardly in it...I still like those eps if they are written really good...Or if the story is really nice and the acting good...But none of that did I see with Bad Guys...
I must admit the story had potention to become a great story. I liked the idea behind the fact that Sam couldn't be there to help them out and all...But when I saw the ep it was just all OTT. I mean really the acting of MS the most. I mean that isn't the real Daniel... But then again he changed a lot in the season...So maybe this is who he has become although I must say I can not see it happening. I mean no one change character that fast... or that radical(sp?)
Yes people change but not like Daniel changed... Yes the other characters changed...but in a way that it is believable... I think that Daniel just changed to much. and has become evil in a way so what it doesn't make it something I would believe. Since Daniel always was the man who reasened and talked and believed in the goodness of people... he also was always friendly...granted sometimes he wasn't but that had his reasons. He would never become someone like he was in Bad Guys...

Well I do hate Sam that is true, not at first though, she was my second fav character in the first two seasons and I was a huge fan of Sam and Daniel together. I think for me the silly ship thing that some people see between Sam and Jack was the thing that ruined the character for me. I hate that female characters are so often shown to need a man, any man to validate themselves somehow and that is what happened to Sam, imo.The writers gave up on her and decided to ship her with the leading man just not for real, because that would be against the rules. Maybe if they had got the two of them together and moved Sam to another team I could have accepted it.

I do find that the episodes that feature Daniel/MS heavily tend to be my fav, like Abyss, PU, EM etc. I love the character and think MS is the best actor on Stargate. I feel the changes to Daniel are in keeping with the things he has gone through the past ten years, that would change anyone. As for BG, MS's acting had to be OTT, he, (Daniel) was way out of his depth, MS played it just right, again IMO. He was acting out of character because that was what he had to be to be believeable as a rebel hostage taker.

flynn1959
February 17th, 2007, 12:15 PM
Yep, makes sense to me. MS is a great actor, Daniel isn't. :)

Exactly! And said using way, way less words than I managed! You really sumed up how Daniel was acting in this episode.

spaceangel
February 17th, 2007, 12:26 PM
I think MS is a very good actor; I reserve the word "great" for other actors though. I understand that they were trying to show Daniel behaving in a manner which was contrary to his nature; that he would not have been comfortable being mean and nasty and wasn't good at it - I had no problem with that. I did think his acting was OTT in the sense that when he was talking to the girls - the tone of voice, the exaggeration, etc., reminded me of the William Shatner school of acting - something of which I'm not all that fond.

I've seen him be sharp with Vala (as in when he said something like 'How about more of shut the hell up?") That kind of behavior would have worked in this episode, IMO. I just think they went too far in *trying* to be funny (as with the Security Guard). When they really obviously try to be funny, it oftentimes doesn't work for me.

I'm with you on this one but I find it very hard to put into words what is so wrong with Daniel at the moment ( in my opinion of course). I go along with all the rationale about Daniel changing over time. I applaud the realistic growth that he has developed after all he has been through. I love the way MS has portrayed Daniel so far. I even get the fact that he was trying to be a bad guy and doing it rather badly, but he started the ep in a similar mood, it wasn't just when he was playing the role of rebel. He's play acted before in a smaller way and was still essentially the Daniel I like. But I think that if I was new to Stargate and was meeting the character of Daniel for the first time I would not like him very much. He has become progressively more irritable and impatient. In the past he would have protested the course of action which was against his better judgement and then gone all silent and maybe even hurt. For me that adds more drama to an ep, even a light hearted one. I know that I may be reminded that this is post Stargate Stargate (which I do fully take on board). I guess I'm just saying that for me this has gone too far. I'm still in there till the bitter end though, which sadly is much nearer than I want to contemplate

P-90_177
February 17th, 2007, 12:31 PM
Just saw thi ep and I gotta say I loved it. It felt like they were a team working their way out of a situation that may have shown up in one of the earlier eps but in a different way since carter and O'Neill weren't there. One of the funniest eps of the season two. I just wish there were more of them. Daniel was esspecially good. He understood valas point that it was the only way out of the situation so he acted the part but tried negotiating as much as he could.

2ndgenerationalteran
February 17th, 2007, 02:36 PM
finally they get to display all of their old props, notice the Ra mask by the bomb. :)

n7sen
February 17th, 2007, 03:06 PM
Very Good Episode compared to other ones in this season.Better that these which took place in some ugly medieval villages with happy townfolks.:mckayanime07:
But overall it's much less than average.Some stupid hostages who werent afraid even at the start(before they understood that those are aliens).
The guard looked rediculous and his gun was very ugly(why not to give him glock or something else which looks nice...).And this episode contributes to the downfall of the whole show.The atmosphere was casual and relaxed,there were no tensions.It's supposed to be serious(i dont mind a few funny eps but this is too much,plus these jokes:yuanime01: which Daniel used to hold the glass,where did they come from?!)
This episode was a definite waste of my time.Too sad:(

PG15
February 17th, 2007, 03:10 PM
finally they get to display all of their old props, notice the Ra mask by the bomb. :)

That reminds me, I think we saw the Nefertiti statue in Bounty as well, when Danny was in that library.

It changed places!!

the fifth man
February 17th, 2007, 09:52 PM
Agreed. The way Daniel handled himself is one of the main reasons this ep was so good IMO.

Indeed!:D I totally agree with that. Daniel was great in this episode.

2ndgenerationalteran
February 17th, 2007, 10:13 PM
i love how he fails at being evil, its so comedic.

"but if you get cute, you know theres gonna be killin" :D

Mitchell82
February 17th, 2007, 11:32 PM
i love how he fails at being evil, its so comedic.

"but if you get cute, you know theres gonna be killin" :D

I loved that it was hilarious!

Mitchell82
February 17th, 2007, 11:33 PM
Indeed!:D I totally agree with that. Daniel was great in this episode.

Yeah he was but he always is. Remember that ad libed scene in Full Circle?

PG15
February 18th, 2007, 12:31 AM
There was an ad-libbed scene? Which one was it?!

Daniel's shadow
February 18th, 2007, 01:21 AM
I loved that it was hilarious!

And the next line is even funnier: "Don't eyeball me!!".

:daniel: :D

Platschu
February 18th, 2007, 06:08 AM
I didn't know, why was Cicero so familiar. Joshua Malina played Will Bailey in West Wing:
http://imdb.com/name/nm0539651/

Ron Canada (Quartus) played in West Wing too.
http://imdb.com/name/nm0133474/

keshou
February 18th, 2007, 07:42 AM
I expected to dislike this episode but was surprised to find I didn't.

The concept ws good - kudos to Ben Browder for his involvement. SG-1 in an awkward "first contact" position, having to stall for time by being the "bad guys".

Execution wasn't perfect and the comedy was a little cliche....screaming woman, bickering hostages, bumbling security guard, etc. This episode practically screamed for Jack (of S1-4)'s light comic touch and delivery.

But it had some funny ines and I actually felt some tension there as they all ran for the gate at the end - something lacking in a lot of episodes these days. Liked the Quartus and Cicero characters.

Daniel was having quite the hissy fit there at the beginning, which MS played a little OTT I thought, but once he settled down I thought some of the lines and scenes with Teal'c, Daniel and hostages were pretty amusing. And I liked Mitchell in this one. :)

I think I'm grading on the curve since I have no huge expectations from the show anymore, but for a filler, comedic episode, I thought it was okay. It entertained me more than several other episodes this season - Insiders, Morpheus and Company of Thieves come to mind.

But what dire event happened in the makeup trailer? Was there a sunlamp accident cause as others have noted, Daniel's face was the oddest orangey tan color! ;) :P

ForeverSg1
February 18th, 2007, 01:17 PM
Hmm think I'm in the middle of the road. I definitely didn't think this was the absolute worse episode, nor did I think it was the best.

It definitely wasn't the best stand-alone episode in my opinion, nor did it come close to being the best comedy episode. Honestly, it probably wouldn't even make it on my top 100 list.

However, I wouldn't refuse to ever watch it again. But then again, I probably wouldn't choose to watch it again either. So in the end, if I just happened to walk past the television and it just happen to be on, I may sit down and view it one more time and try to enjoy it as much as I have every other Stargate AU episode.

Kat

Killdeer
February 18th, 2007, 06:46 PM
Hello...just popping here to post my thoughts on Bad Guys...

I have to say - I enjoyed this more than I have an episode of SG-1 in quite a while. So much so that I found myself watching it again! That hasn't happened in a while!

Humor is a very subjective thing. What is absolutely hilarious to one person will seem completely stupid to the next one. I'm sure there's a lot of people who found Avenger 2.0 to be extremely funny, while I on the other hand immediately gave it the dubious honor of "Worst Stargate Episode Ever" in my own personal Stargate Hall of Fame. I also found Wormhole Extreme to be cringeworthy, Urgo to be very very funny, and the only section of "200" worth watching to be the invisible O'Neill section (with the exception of the shower scene), and that I watched several times. I'm not sure I can articulate why I find some things funny and other things simply dumb. It's just a personal matter I suppose.

With this episode, I was surprised to find myself enjoying it so much. I actually put off watching this episode for a while because I had read the spoilers, and frankly it looked pretty dumb. Maybe going into it with lowered expectations helped - I don't know. But it was fun to see the team get caught in a awkward situation, and respond in a not-quite-typical manner. Typical would be to surrender, get taken prisoner, get locked away while the ruling government tries to get information out of them, finally get beamed out by the Odyssey right before they're about to die....yadda yadda.....we've seen all that before. Boring! (IMO, of course) This was different. After 10 years, I thought it was fun to see them be on the other side of the fence, so to speak. And, while the team did some stupid things (standing around like idiots when the kissing couple came in), I think they were smart to listen to Vala for once and not repeat old mistakes (see above re: typical episode). Really, once the whole mess started, they didn't really have a lot of options other than what they did - try to stay in control, and make sure no one got hurt.

This is not to say that I think the episode should be taken too seriously - it wasn't written that way. But in my opinion the whole team was right in character. :) Mitchell, Daniel, Vala, Teal'c - everyone was awesome. I didn't miss Sam, and frankly I don't think she would have worked in this episode, because she's so much the techno-wizard. It was fun to see the team try to get themselves out of their mess with what they had.

Vala was awesome - this is the Vala I enjoy, not the silly little-girl acting Vala. She's smart, overconfident without a doubt, but lacking none of her survival skills.

Daniel - poor Daniel. He's so not enjoying this whole situation. His attempts at demands (with Teal's expressions making commentary) were very funny, as was his conversation with the security guard. I don't think his reaction to the girls' little catfight was really that OOC. Daniel can get really worked up when he's stressed (I remember him jumping up and down yelling in Crystal Skull), and he's definitely under stress here.

Teal'c is almost enjoying the situation it seems, playing the big bad scary Jaffa. :tealc: And I loved it that he caught the movie reference and Daniel didn't. Go Teal'c! Ten years of earth contact has corrupted him. <grin>

Mitchell was good-I enjoy it when Mitchell gets to play the level headed leader, although riding herd on Vala was definitely stretching his patience. Again we see his knowledge about SG-1's history in the seaweed reference. (I always think it's funny when they reference Mitchell knowing all of SG-1's missions, because of an interview where Ben Browder said before he started on Stargate he sat down and did a marathon viewing of all eight preceding seasons.) His speech at the end was great - perfect wrapup to the episode. Mitchell is far from being an idiot, and actually has some people skills. I think that's one of the reasons I like him so much. Although I loved Jack in the early seasons, I found myself switching allegiances to Mitchell pretty quickly. I was a little tired of Jack's dumb and oblivious act, and have enjoyed having a more team-oriented leader for SG-1. Don't kill me - I know that's almost heresy! <cringe> It's just how I feel about it, but I realize it's not everyone's opinion.

Overall, an awesome episode in my opinion, and one that makes me regret that the show is cancelled.

Mitchell82
February 18th, 2007, 06:53 PM
There was an ad-libbed scene? Which one was it?!

The elevator scene. It was stated in the DVD I think that RDA ad libed most of that scene and that there was also a "space monkey" line add libed by RDA that was cut out.

Mitchell82
February 18th, 2007, 06:57 PM
I expected to dislike this episode but was surprised to find I didn't.

The concept ws good - kudos to Ben Browder for his involvement. SG-1 in an awkward "first contact" position, having to stall for time by being the "bad guys".

Execution wasn't perfect and the comedy was a little cliche....screaming woman, bickering hostages, bumbling security guard, etc. This episode practically screamed for Jack (of S1-4)'s light comic touch and delivery.

But it had some funny ines and I actually felt some tension there as they all ran for the gate at the end - something lacking in a lot of episodes these days. Liked the Quartus and Cicero characters.

Daniel was having quite the hissy fit there at the beginning, which MS played a little OTT I thought, but once he settled down I thought some of the lines and scenes with Teal'c, Daniel and hostages were pretty amusing. And I liked Mitchell in this one. :)

I think I'm grading on the curve since I have no huge expectations from the show anymore, but for a filler, comedic episode, I thought it was okay. It entertained me more than several other episodes this season - Insiders, Morpheus and Company of Thieves come to mind.

But what dire event happened in the makeup trailer? Was there a sunlamp accident cause as others have noted, Daniel's face was the oddest orangey tan color! ;) :P

I agree this was a great epiosde though there were a few "cringy" moments. Mainly the screaming girl is all that anoyed me, oh yeah the guard too. Still it was very good and the orange face was noticable in Bounty too.

Chaka's_Mum
February 18th, 2007, 11:37 PM
I certainly enjoyed this episode, despite the cliché'd bits like the screaming girl, bickering hostages etc. etc.

Watching SG-1 trying their hardest to fit in with the political situation - Daniel reading their 'demands' off a cue card, for example, was great fun.

Poor old Cicero - after all that, being proved right only to see the political response denying anything had ever happened and burying the gate! It's tough being a lone scientific voice, isn't it?

Vala certainly rocked in this ep - all that sublime overconfidence. The fact that she actually activated the naquadah bomb, rather than pretending to in order to get the Security guard to give them the code to raise the barrier tickled me.

I noticed Daniel's strange 'tan' as well. Did someone spill some St Tropez on him while he was asleep or something?

indeed1337
February 19th, 2007, 05:46 AM
enjoyed this one too. good season filler.

my fave line was when :cameron: asked :daniel: :

:cameron: : seaweed ?
:daniel: : don't go theeere ....

Hypochondriac
February 19th, 2007, 10:32 AM
Whats gives with the seaweed? Cam mentioned seaweed and Daniel, don't go there?

Tovny
February 19th, 2007, 10:37 AM
I loved it when he sad "Shut up, shut up, your hostages this is a life and death situation here, start acting like it."

Ace
February 19th, 2007, 10:59 AM
Whats gives with the seaweed? Cam mentioned seaweed and Daniel, don't go there?

Was a reference to an early Season 1 episode I believe... in which they used something that looked like seaweed to power the stargate and manually dial out.

Ace

thewatcher
February 19th, 2007, 11:17 AM
I had real problems watching this one - as soon as Daniel appeared 3 words popped into my head and they put me off the whole thing.

Robert Kilroy Silk:S

(apologies to nonUK fans who don't get the reference)

Uber
February 19th, 2007, 11:22 AM
Was a reference to an early Season 1 episode I believe... in which they used something that looked like seaweed to power the stargate and manually dial out.

AceClose. Season 2. Prisoners. They worked with Linea [Destroyer of Worlds], an expert of the elements, who used her mixtures to energize seaweed-like roots to power the gate.

Ace
February 19th, 2007, 01:37 PM
Close. Season 2. Prisoners. They worked with Linea [Destroyer of Worlds], an expert of the elements, who used her mixtures to energize seaweed-like roots to power the gate.

Ahh... darn! Next time I'll look it up... LOL Thanks

Ace

teal'c2006
February 19th, 2007, 06:08 PM
I loved this episode it was funny, and my two favorite scenes were when Daniel tells the two girl's off and when Teal'c zats the old guy. The episode was very well written.

Team SG-1*save the show*
February 20th, 2007, 03:18 PM
My Fav Bit Was Where Daniel Told The Girls Off. The Only Thing Was Daniel Seemed Different In This Episode. More Like O'neil or Mitchell. (not that i didnt like it)

kes
February 20th, 2007, 03:30 PM
I loved this episode it was funny, and my two favorite scenes were when Daniel tells the two girl's off and when Teal'c zats the old guy. The episode was very well written.

Teal'c: Please remain calm. *smiles*

Alanistic
February 27th, 2007, 07:20 AM
Bad Guys was probably my fav ep of the season. It had the same slapstick comedy you usually get from O'Neill, the normal level of political intregue as well as some good old fashioned running about with guns.

SG-1 is always at its best when they are doing the comedy episodes.

jonno
March 1st, 2007, 05:46 PM
I wasn't expecting much ... and i was happily surprised. No - it wasn't perfect, but it was eminently watchable - and rewatchable. It made me laugh several times, which is very unusual. It flowed suitably, never getting boring. The jokes (whilst cliched at times) never fell into that layer of utter idiocy that has plagued too many of Stargate's more recent episodes - and a lot of that is because they were delivered for the most part, straight. Daniel, Teal'c weren't trying to tell jokes - they were just funny.

Most importantly, it was in the old style mold. You know - SG-1 gets into trouble, and has to find an ingenious way of getting out. The difference being of course that normally, they're the prisoners (and i liked that twist. It's new). Oh - the Stargate itself was even involved. Shock Horror!!!

It felt like classic Stargate - and that's what i want to feel. Of the 38 'new team' episodes i've seen so far, very, very few have evoked that old style feeling.

I was, at last, watching the show i became a fan of. Let's hope it wasn't for the last time.

Dusk
March 15th, 2007, 06:48 AM
Hehe... funny!

Great to see the actors having a bit of fun (what the heck, they don't have much longer to do it) and several well scripted scenes. The direction of this episode is supposed to be 'over the top' and that's exactly what makes the episode work. My only gripe is not having Carter around to join in the madness.

panikin
April 8th, 2007, 01:48 PM
This episode was awesome! Lots of comic releif. I like when Daniel freaks out at those two chicks because they were fighting over that guy! BEING A HOSTAGE INCLUDES A SET OF ETIQUETTE (sp?) RULES!!! hahaha Daniel was awesome in this episode

gater62
May 18th, 2007, 06:18 PM
This episode was awesome! Lots of comic releif. I like when Daniel freaks out at those two chicks because they were fighting over that guy! BEING A HOSTAGE INCLUDES A SET OF ETIQUETTE (sp?) RULES!!! hahaha Daniel was awesome in this episode

I about rolled on the floor when Daniel said there was etiquette for this situation. Even my husband who claims he is tired of SG1 watched the show and actually chuckled out loud in places. I was glad of the return of the comic situation that I loved when O'Neill was on the show.

Hatusu
May 18th, 2007, 06:20 PM
Worst first contact ever? This was the worst episode ever.


In my opinion, this is the most poorly written and produced episode of the entire series. The script is derivative and no effort at all was taken to design the sets and costumes. It was like they took a U.S.A. channel, "terror at the mall" movie and used its script for an SG1 episode, then they decorated the mall with old props from the show.

It wasn't even remotely science fiction. Worst of all, it was boring. This episode should never have been filmed.