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January 8th, 2007, 10:54 AM
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An experiment gone wrong pulls Samantha Carter into a parallel reality, where she must save Earth from an Ori assault before she will be allowed to return home.

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Madeleine
January 23rd, 2007, 01:01 PM
Best Sam ep ever? Maybe. Very good, certainly.

SGFerrit
January 23rd, 2007, 01:03 PM
Excellent episode! Sam kicks yet more ass! General Hammond, Rodney, phase cloaking ALL OF EARTH, the stargate was public, PROMETHEUS was back...

Great episode!

TheReturnOfTheLantian
January 23rd, 2007, 01:04 PM
Very good episode indeed but pritty disapointed that we didnt get to see Drones being used.

sueKay
January 23rd, 2007, 01:05 PM
I can't believe I missed this ep! Nooo!

Trialia
January 23rd, 2007, 01:06 PM
*very, very loud SQUEE!!!*

Brilliant! :D And woooooooo, Sam/Vala FTW! :D

Edit: I didn't laugh all the way through, but when I did it was shouted barks of laughter :P

beale947
January 23rd, 2007, 01:07 PM
We now know that Drones can penetrate Ori shields:D What a great episode:D. I'm glad our stargate isn't public

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 23rd, 2007, 01:09 PM
Did anyone know about Hammond being in it? They either kept that a very well kept secret or I haven't been paying that much attention to the spoilers.

So, Landry is president and has made the US a dictatorship, Rodney and Sam got married (and then divorced), Prometheus was never destroyed, Lorne is Leader of SG1, Sam is still major, Atlantis hasn't been discovered, Mitchell is a wreck, Vala's in jail, stargate is public, and basically everything is screwed up.

Certainly a great episode though! 9/10

TheWarrior
January 23rd, 2007, 01:11 PM
Did anyone know about Hammond being in it? They either kept that a very well kept secret or I haven't been paying that much attention to the spoilers.

So, Landry is president and has made the US a dictatorship, Rodney and Sam got married (and then divorced), Prometheus was never destroyed, Lorne is Leader of SG1, Sam is still major, Atlantis hasn't been discovered, Mitchell is a wreck, Vala's in jail, stargate is public, and basically everything is screwed up.

Certainly a great episode though! 9/10
I didn't know Hammond or Lorne would be in this episode, to see them both early on was great and then to see David Hewlett's name at the start was another bonus.

A great episode and hopefully one day we'll see Ancient Drones destroy an Ori ship.

bcfc
January 23rd, 2007, 01:11 PM
Didnt think there could be three good episodes in a row but there you go!


Intriging plot and showed the dangers of whats happening in todays world.
and the ending between Sam,Teal'c,Vala and Cam really seemed genuine not like in previous episodes.


9/10

Didnt see ne Drones taking on Ori Ships

:(

LadyWolfie
January 23rd, 2007, 01:12 PM
oh wow! what a superb episode! i mean everyone has done alternate realities where the characters are the same but different (if you know what i mean) but the whole story was so deep and entralling! i liked it better than "The Quest II" and it didn't even have a dragon!

i almost cried for Cam! :(

and i loled at McKay! so many funny moments in such a dark episode! Masterpiece!

Trialia
January 23rd, 2007, 01:12 PM
I didn't know Hammond or Lorne would be in this episode, to see them both early on was great and then to see David Hewlett's name at the start was another bonus.

A great episode and hopefully one day we'll see Ancient Drones destroy an Ori ship.
I knew Lorne would be - the girls in the Kavan thunk thread have been going nuts over that all afternoon :P

LadyWolfie
January 23rd, 2007, 01:13 PM
Did anyone know about Hammond being in it? They either kept that a very well kept secret or I haven't been paying that much attention to the spoilers.


yes, that was such a nice suprise! i didn't notice for like 5 minutes coz i'm so used to he being there!

petemoretti
January 23rd, 2007, 01:14 PM
I'm a bit puzzled where's Jack ? Did we see the Antarctic chair being used ? Did they beat the Ori?

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 01:14 PM
Masterpiece of an episode... just... wow!

I laughed out loud a lot... but then there were brilliantly dark moments too... hat off to Ben Browder, he played it perfectly...

Nice to see Sam dressed up a little too ;)

ReganX
January 23rd, 2007, 01:15 PM
Excellent episode. If the rest of Seasons Nine and Ten had been like this episode or "Line In The Sand", I would have enjoyed them a heck of a lot more.

AT did an absolutely fabulous job with this storyline and I liked the twist of Sam being trapped in an alternate reality not because she couldn't get back but because she wasn't allowed to. I also liked the little unexpected surprises, like AlternateSam having been involved with the McKay of her reality and Major Lorne leading SG-1 instead of a more obvious choice like Jack, Mitchell or AlternateSam herself.

The fate of AlternateMitchell was another surprise. I think that BB did a good job with him, such a contrast from his more happy-go-lucky counterpart.

I thought that the ending was a very sweet touch, with Teal'c, Vala and Mitchell revealing that they had spent so long talking to an empty room to keep Sam company. I wonder what they did say to her - any fanfic writers want to take that on? Vala's impulsive hug was nice too.

It was nice to see them caring about each other. They seemed more team-like than they have in a long time.

chevroneight
January 23rd, 2007, 01:18 PM
I'm so glad I don't read spoilers anymore... Hammond AND Lorne! Very happy. Really enjoyed the episode too, even though not so much enjoying the SG-1 Tuesday night/Atlantis Wednesday night thing.... much more fun to watch one after the other. Can't believe we only have 7 episodes left :( I am not looking forward to 8 weeks time...

TheWarrior
January 23rd, 2007, 01:18 PM
Seeing Mitchell like that reminded me off Colonel Dagg(sp) from Forest Gump!

Also, I love the first scene between Sam and McKay, when he thinks she's a lesbian.

BC - 303
January 23rd, 2007, 01:19 PM
Me like very much, McKay is brilliant :mckay: as is sam :sam:, and i liked :hammond: and the :sam: :vala: moment
squee as well, what ever that meens

Popeston
January 23rd, 2007, 01:20 PM
This episode completely RULED man.
GENERAL HAMMOND!
I did not expect that.
And Major Lorne, who seemed important at the start then completely vanished.
Odd...
And McKay was there, being not as good as usual. Where was the arrogance!?
Anyone else feel the ending was a bit rushed?
Cause I certainly did.

But anyways, top class episode and one of my favourite of the season thus far.
GENERAL HAMMOND

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 23rd, 2007, 01:21 PM
It was funny at the end with Bill examining the room with the "satellite" (I don't know the technically term, doohickey?), and Carter came back and shouted in it :D

stewsith
January 23rd, 2007, 01:22 PM
Excellent, Excellent, Excellent! Amanda was amazing in this episode (and didn't she look stunning in that dress!) and it was such a great surprise to see Lorne, Hammond and Rodney! I didn't see them coming at all!

5/5 Great Sam episode!:sam:

LadyWolfie
January 23rd, 2007, 01:22 PM
I'm a bit puzzled where's Jack ? Did we see the Antarctic chair being used ? Did they beat the Ori?

i thought only an ancient could use the chair, so i was a little confused as to how they beat the Ori the first time, but hey, the episode was so good i'm willing to overlook it, i might just be forgeting stuff

susanmary_1
January 23rd, 2007, 01:23 PM
Really good episode. I was so surprised to see Hammond I cheered. It dealt with very heavy themes, America had become a dictatorship (no elections), the world was isolated from all their alien allies, they used torture weapons on protesters and bombed Ireland!

I loved that Mackay is the same in any universe, David Hewlett looked very hot in this episode. Their Sam must have been very different from ours to have married him, mind you she did divorce him.

The Ori ships looked impressive, wonder if Daniel was on one of them. I didn't hear any mention of Jack, which kind of seemed strange to me.

My only gripe is that Sam seemed to get back very easily.

Loved the hug from Vala at the end.

9/10 on this episode.

kirmit
January 23rd, 2007, 01:23 PM
I'll be honest when the episode ended I felt a tad disappointed, however then I recapped the whole episode in my mind and realised I really liked it. There were some great moments, like cam walking into the shield, the Ori ships gathered around earth, PROMETHEUS still alive and kicking, the mentions to daniel and especially the end, them talking to an empty room for 2 weeks lol, plus the little sam/Vala hug, nice to see them getting along. The political issues brought up were great, using alien technologies on your foreign allies, naughty america :P. Oh yer and Hammond! God I miss that guy.

Trialia
January 23rd, 2007, 01:24 PM
Excellent, Excellent, Excellent! Amanda was amazing in this episode (and didn't she look stunning in that dress!) and it was such a great surprise to see Lorne, Hammond and Rodney! I didn't see them coming at all!

5/5 Great Sam episode!:sam:
I preferred the short skirt/knee-high boots ensemble, but the dress was nice too. :D

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 23rd, 2007, 01:24 PM
i thought only an ancient could use the chair, so i was a little confused as to how they beat the Ori the first time, but hey, the episode was so good i'm willing to overlook it, i might just be forgeting stuff

They could have used anyone with the ATA gene

mancslad08
January 23rd, 2007, 01:25 PM
Mediocre episode but after last week's garbage it was a huge difference.

Started out really well until after the Ori ships attacked and perhaps even further on a tad. Then the story completely lost focus and it was all a bit up in the air. And in terms of that completely anti-climactic 'ending'.

There she is trying to get herself back the entire second half of the episode and it just happens in about 30 seconds at the last minute? It's either bad story telling, script writing or directing.

And don't get me started on Dr Lee, the most annoying character in the entire Stargate series. Urgh, what a moron.

6/10

[mod snip]

crompton20
January 23rd, 2007, 01:25 PM
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ok a quick recap, sam was messing with the phase device when she is pulled through into a paralel universe, the first thing we realise is lorne is leading Sg1 and hammond is in command of the base, the situation occured because carter in the paralel demension was messing with their device at the same time. carter asks to speak to someone but daniel is captured by the ori, vala is in area 51 in a cell, tealc has gone back to the jafa and mitchell left the military, carter asks to go back but with 5 ori ships 3 days away she realises she will have to save this planet first, anyway she gets the device working and cloaks the planet, however she needed power channeled from the national grid to do it, we learn this is possible because because during the season 7 anubis attack the gate was made public to the world this caused riots and the US is kinda under marshall law, the us is also using f302s to bomb other countrys, this was set in stone by president landry who isn't a bad person but is obviousely struggling.

sams success has made her famous and shes invited to a party where a protester appears and is hacked down by guards using those goa uld cattle prods, sam is appaled and her and landry are beamed out onto the promethius which is like landrys private ship/air force one, landry now decides he wants the tech sam brought and he isn't going to let her leave, realising this sam goes to see rodney whos now a millionaire in technology businessess as she knows rodney did a paralel universe thing with his sister, she also goes to see mitchell who we now see is a dissabled drunken smoking mess. after the attack in antarctica during his theropy he stood up for his principles and told landry what he thought of his methods and marshall law, his theropy was dropped and hes now living in like a one room flat. landry has positioned himself as an almost unmovable president as they canceled the last election due to riots, hes maneuvered himself into a sort of unmovable position hitler did during world war 2,

sam comes out on national tv and tells the world what she knows, but the government cover it up, however seeing her as a loose cannon they let her go back to her home world, but not before making mckay take her job. when carter returns we find out the team just sat and talked to the empty room for 2 weeks in case she was there

it ends with vala giving sam a big hug

immhotep
January 23rd, 2007, 01:25 PM
Well i have to say this is my favourate AU episode of all time, and one of the best Sam episodes for the past few years. It was needed so badly, this is what stargate needed, to see what things could be like. Such contrasts! Martial law, no democracy, Goaudl torture sticks being used! Civil libertys taken away, F302's used against other nations, Promethius used as air force one, the president in the SGC..
But luckily for our universe, we now have something to live for, because we have someone who can tell us when roads shouldnt be taken, which is the moral of the story.
Technologically, earth has just jumped into a higher plane! We may just be the only race in the universe that is completely free from the Ori, or has the potential to be.
God i loved this episode! I thought Kinsey should have made an apperence, it would have seemed fitting. Also No jack That doesnt really bother me too much but it would have been nice, we get to see him next week so ill live with it.
I cant wait to see Sam look over the CCTV footage of thier convos to a blank room :D

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 01:30 PM
Oooh, also to say that I squeed to see Prometheus again! I was SO gutted when it got blown up in season 9 :(

I also have to laugh that they bombed an 'Irish village'... gee guys I know we're quaint and all, but we have towns and cities too, surely they'd be more of a threat ;) Gotta love stereotypes...

rnwhocares
January 23rd, 2007, 01:33 PM
Where was daniel in the alternate reality? Dead?

LadyWolfie
January 23rd, 2007, 01:34 PM
Once again people think this is THE BEST EPISODE OF SG-1 EVEEEEERRR!!!!!!!! because of things like Vala hugging Sam and that wan*er Bill dropping an antenna rather than any meaningful reasons. Or at least they don't write about it.

erm, i liked this episode because of it's dark storyline and the moral issues raised but also because of the interation of my favourite characters, whats wrong with that?

seriously every post i see of yours you are whining about something! lol

TheNarims
January 23rd, 2007, 01:34 PM
He was captured by the Ori.

LadyWolfie
January 23rd, 2007, 01:35 PM
Where was daniel in the alternate reality? Dead?

Sams asks the same question! he has been captured by the Ori in that reality too! :(

Trialia
January 23rd, 2007, 01:37 PM
erm, i liked this episode because of it's dark storyline and the moral issues raised but also because of the interation of my favourite characters, whats wrong with that?

seriously every post i see of yours you are whining about something! lol
Put him on ignore, I have. :P FOR that reason...

I enjoyed the issues raised as well, but I enjoyed the character interactions a lot more. I just prefer my initial reactions to come through, whether they be "SQUEE!!" or "WTF?!"

LadyWolfie
January 23rd, 2007, 01:38 PM
Oooh, also to say that I squeed to see Prometheus again! I was SO gutted when it got blown up in season 9 :(

I also have to laugh that they bombed an 'Irish village'... gee guys I know we're quaint and all, but we have towns and cities too, surely they'd be more of a threat ;) Gotta love stereotypes...

lol aww. they say it was a terrorist target, they're not just bombing Irland for the sake of it, it was the Irish leader (president/prime minister?) that asked them to do it

sailfindragon
January 23rd, 2007, 01:38 PM
I really loved this episode and althought i am not a 100% Sam Carter Fan, I really enjoyed her in this one.
Didn't she look good. I really thought Rodney was good too, it was nice to see the cast play slightly different personalities than what we normally see.
9/10 would have been 10/10 if the ending was better.

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 01:38 PM
erm, i liked this episode because of it's dark storyline and the moral issues raised but also because of the interation of my favourite characters, whats wrong with that?

Agreed... I thought it was a bold storyline that drew a parallel to current political issues and allowed Amanda to turn out an exceptionally good performance... the episode showcased my favourite character and actress and presented some really interesting points... the humour was a highlight, not the making of the episode... and we are quite entitled to say it's the best episode ever for whatever reasons we like quite frankly!

chevroneight
January 23rd, 2007, 01:38 PM
Oooh, also to say that I squeed to see Prometheus again! I was SO gutted when it got blown up in season 9 :(

I also have to laugh that they bombed an 'Irish village'... gee guys I know we're quaint and all, but we have towns and cities too, surely they'd be more of a threat ;) Gotta love stereotypes...

LOL I know, I laughed so hard too. I'm sharing an apartment with two American girls and the first thing they said was "Oh God, if we hadn't come here to live, we wouldn't have even thought about that line twice!"

For the record people, we don't *all* live in villages lol

kirmit
January 23rd, 2007, 01:38 PM
Is it just me or was Cam wearing the same wig daniel wore in moebius? lol

LadyWolfie
January 23rd, 2007, 01:40 PM
Do me a favour, have a look through some random episode threads on here. You'll see that 90% of the time the reasons given why posters LOVED!!!! the episode are things like that.

Mostly people watch programs they enjoy! and only people who REALLY!!!! enjoy them post on internet forums, so tell me: what did you like about this episode? :D

ReganX
January 23rd, 2007, 01:40 PM
Oooh, also to say that I squeed to see Prometheus again! I was SO gutted when it got blown up in season 9 :(

I also have to laugh that they bombed an 'Irish village'... gee guys I know we're quaint and all, but we have towns and cities too, surely they'd be more of a threat ;) Gotta love stereotypes...

And since when do we have a Prime Minister instead of a Taoiseach?

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 01:40 PM
lol aww. they say it was a terrorist target, they're not just bombing Irland for the sake of it, it was the Irish leader (president/prime minister?) that asked them to do it

Oh yeah, I got that part... I just thought it was humorous that it was a village... as though that's all we have ;) Ireland is mostly towns now really...

The Kit Kat Lady
January 23rd, 2007, 01:40 PM
I enjoyed the episode - the humour was subtle which is what you come to expect from AT - some great one-liners dotted around the episode.

Having heard AT talk a little about this episode at her recent convention, I was expecting a very serious episode, and whilst it dealt with some serious issues, it did so in a a way that didn't ram them down people's throats.

Seeing Hammond again was terrific, and much prefer him to Landry, although I don't dislike that character.

Overall, as a Sam fan it was great that she finally got an actual episode for her - yes last week was a good Sam episode, but wasn't centred around her - this week clearly was, and boy did AT rise to the challenge.

As with any episode there are little niggles, the ending as has often happened in the Stargate universe, was a little too easy and quick, but it provided us, IMO, with some interesting and unexpected twists and turns which has been severly lacking of many of the more recent episodes.

As a general episode, 8/10 for a Sam episode 10/10.

If Stargate continues in this vein I will be sorry to see it finish in a few weeks, but I wonder if it can continue it's recent run of decent episodes.

Elaine

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 01:42 PM
LOL I know, I laughed so hard too. I'm sharing an apartment with two American girls and the first thing they said was "Oh God, if we hadn't come here to live, we wouldn't have even thought about that line twice!"

For the record people, we don't *all* live in villages lol

Ah thank God!!! Other Irish folk who understand!!!!! :D

Squee at us getting mentioned on Stargate though... although next it'll be leprechaun attacks! :p


And since when do we have a Prime Minister instead of a Taoiseach?

I raised that in the other thread lol.. to the consternation of others...

grasshopper64
January 23rd, 2007, 01:42 PM
A very good ep, I thought, Wow I've liked 3 eps in a row, next week's will no doubt make it 4, for that hasn't happened since, well S8 probably:)

A good ep for Sam, great to see General Hammond again, also Major Lorne and "President" Landry were good in this.

BB did a good job of the screwed up Mitchell, interesting to see such a different side to a character. This McKay was so different, I laughed when they said Rodney and Sam were divorced. I guess they couldn't have an AU without Sam being shipped with someone and I'm so so glad that Jack wasn't mentioned here.

The funniest line was Mckay to Sam "Oh my god you're a lesbian":)
Well that would be different....

Nice scene at the end, the Sam/Vala hug, Teal'c's off to spar with Siler, and Vala's bidding for a timeshare on ebay:) And yes they mentioned Daniel.

Can't wait for next week.

Trialia
January 23rd, 2007, 01:43 PM
And since when do we have a Prime Minister instead of a Taoiseach?
Northern Ireland has a PM, doesn't it? Maybe Landry's just being brief -- I don't know many Americans who distinguish between Irish and Northern Irish in casual speech (no offence to any of you who do).

sueKay
January 23rd, 2007, 01:43 PM
*hugs to Irish GWers*

I understand the stereotypes! Remember Carson had his sheep calendar! lol!

Anyhoo...Anyone got any screencaps yet??

petemoretti
January 23rd, 2007, 01:44 PM
I'm still puzzled that Sam didn't enquire about Jack too (after that "fishing" refference from last week I got the impression that they remained at least friends, that he was a person whom she trusted) :confused:
And about Landry does this mean that it's not all cusher with him in our reality too ?

rovex
January 23rd, 2007, 01:44 PM
Ah thank God!!! Other Irish folk who understand!!!!! :D

Squee at us getting mentioned on Stargate though... although next it'll be leprechaun attacks! :p



I raised that in the other thread lol.. to the consternation of others...

In fairness most news agencies in the world call the Irish premier a prime minister.

immhotep
January 23rd, 2007, 01:45 PM
If Stargate continues in this vein I will be sorry to see it finish in a few weeks, but I wonder if it can continue it's recent run of decent episodes.
I know some people dislike the new series plot/characters but this kind of show with this much quality has a right to be on TV. Im not a major "get SG1 back!" person but when i see an episode like this, all i can do is want more.

ReganX
January 23rd, 2007, 01:46 PM
Northern Ireland has a PM, doesn't it? Maybe Landry's just being brief -- I don't know many Americans who distinguish between Irish and Northern Irish in casual speech (no offence to any of you who do).

The British one, I believe.

rnwhocares
January 23rd, 2007, 01:47 PM
Sams asks the same question! he has been captured by the Ori in that reality too! :(
Thanks. I haven't seen the episode yet, but I love reading what all you guys have to say and the spoliers are great!!!

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 01:48 PM
Northern Ireland has a PM, doesn't it? Maybe Landry's just being brief -- I don't know many Americans who distinguish between Irish and Northern Irish in casual speech (no offence to any of you who do).

*gasps and clutches heart*

;)

Hehe, nah I guess to other's the difference might not be as apparent as it is to us...

To be clear; I'm not actually starting a full blown debate about this lol, it was just a light hearted nitpick...

But to be fair, I generally hear him referred to as Taoiseach in international news...

*waves to SueKay* Ahh poor Carson ;)

Yeah I was puzzled by the lack of Jack reference after the fishing comment... they're either abandoning the ship or not, I wish they wouldn't tease :(

LadyWolfie
January 23rd, 2007, 01:51 PM
I'm still puzzled that Sam didn't enquire about Jack too (after that "fishing" refference from last week I got the impression that they remained at least friends, that he was a person whom she trusted) :confused:
And about Landry does this mean that it's not all cusher with him in our reality too ?

yes, i have to admit, that was strange, i was waiting for her to ask about him!

about Landry - Sam saids the Landry she knows would have done better/ have a different opinion so the one in our reality probably isn't a problem. it was fun to see him as a sort of bad guy though!

my friend is writing a fantasy story about good people who end of being bad guys and where you draw the line between good and evil, it was really interesting seeing Landry like that!

LadyWolfie
January 23rd, 2007, 01:52 PM
Thanks. I haven't seen the episode yet, but I love reading what all you guys have to say and the spoliers are great!!!

wow i would never read the spoliers! half my enjoyment of stargate (well anything really) is not knowing whats going to happen!

sailfindragon
January 23rd, 2007, 01:52 PM
I know some people dislike the new series plot/characters but this kind of show with this much quality has a right to be on TV. Im not a major "get SG1 back!" person but when i see an episode like this, all i can do is want more.

I couldn't agree with you more. I have always been 75% against continuing with a 11th Season, but when the last few episodes of this season have really been good, i have to think, well maybe they could pull off another season. I just hope the movies can pull if off like the later half of season 10.
I cannot wait to see the finale and the first of the movies.

Trialia
January 23rd, 2007, 01:54 PM
*gasps and clutches heart*

;)

Hehe, nah I guess to other's the difference might not be as apparent as it is to us...

To be clear; I'm not actually starting a full blown debate about this lol, it was just a light hearted nitpick...

But to be fair, I generally hear him referred to as Taoiseach in international news...

*waves to SueKay* Ahh poor Carson ;)

Yeah I was puzzled by the lack of Jack reference after the fishing comment... they're either abandoning the ship or not, I wish they wouldn't tease :(
Lol. Sorry, I'm English. ;)

Hey, maybe Beau couldn't pronounce Taoiseach. :P

petemoretti
January 23rd, 2007, 01:56 PM
Was DSD's presence important or just a cameo ? Can't wait for the "Shroud"

The Great Lord Baal
January 23rd, 2007, 01:57 PM
Good episode I tought it was funny at the end when teals said he was going to spar with siler I guess how that fight was going to go

ReganX
January 23rd, 2007, 01:58 PM
Was DSD's presence important or just a cameo ? Can't wait for the "Shroud"

Not a huge role, perhaps, but a fairly decent one. I definitely wouldn't call it a cameo.

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 01:59 PM
Lol. Sorry, I'm English. ;)

Hey, maybe Beau couldn't pronounce Taoiseach. :P

LOL, don't worry... I'm not actually offended in the slightest ;)

It's just fun cause we see a drastic difference between Northern Irish and Irish accents ;)

Hehe that was my mom's theory ;)

It was SO nice to see Don S Davis again... I was so hoping for RDA that I took him for granted the first 10 minutes or so... but I've really missed that guy...

sueKay
January 23rd, 2007, 01:59 PM
Season ten has been so good! I hated s9 and wasn't sorry when I heard the show was ending...but now...

*wails*

I want it to go on!!

ReganX
January 23rd, 2007, 02:03 PM
Lol. Sorry, I'm English. ;)

Hey, maybe Beau couldn't pronounce Taoiseach. :P

Perhaps just a research gap - if it was a pronuciation issue, they might have blamed the President.

Or since it's an AU, maybe Ireland having a Prime Minister is one of the changes.

Trialia
January 23rd, 2007, 02:09 PM
Perhaps just a research gap - if it was a pronuciation issue, they might have blamed the President.

Or since it's an AU, maybe Ireland having a Prime Minister is one of the changes.
Maybe.

Having said which, I live virtually next-door to Ireland and I can't pronounce Taoiseach either. *blush* But then my Gaelic pronounciation always has been bloody awful, just like my Welsh :P

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 02:12 PM
Maybe.

Having said which, I live virtually next-door to Ireland and I can't pronounce Taoiseach either. *blush* But then my Gaelic pronounciation always has been bloody awful, just like my Welsh :P

*attempts to help*

Erm... tee-shuck... sort of... :S *is bad at teaching Irish pronunciation online*

jannagalaxy
January 23rd, 2007, 02:14 PM
Awesome episode!!!

I wouldn't want to live in a world like that! Talk about one step forward and two steps back! Squee about Lorne being commander of SG1! :D Loved that!!!!

More George Hammond!! Yippy! Missed that guy alot! I wish a little snip-it of what happened to Jack was said.

Can't believe Sam and Rodney were married. Oh man! Don't want to think about that!!!!

That bit about the Irish village being bombed I thought was...very thought provoking, a president asking another foreign power to destroy a village in their own country. Total madness!

Cam - well, poor guy. What a terrible waste! I sware he's wearing the same wig MS wore in Moebieus. ;)

Excellent episode --- 9/10

jannagalaxy
January 23rd, 2007, 02:16 PM
Season ten has been so good! I hated s9 and wasn't sorry when I heard the show was ending...but now...

*wails*

I want it to go on!!
Isn't that always the way.

BC - 303
January 23rd, 2007, 02:18 PM
Correct me if im wrong, but isnt the interviewer "Julia Donovan", as in the reporter in that got to explore Prometheus in the episode "Prometheus", shes also pooped up in "Covenant", "The four horsemen" and "Ex Deus Machina". Thats also a nice little character coming back.

Kazan
January 23rd, 2007, 02:20 PM
I have a synopsis if anyone is interested?
Let me know

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 02:20 PM
Correct me if im wrong, but isnt the interviewer "Julia Donovan", as in the reporter in the episode "Prometheus" and also appeared talking on national news in "The four horsemen" and "Ex Deus Machina". Thats also a nice little character coming back.

Really well spotted... and I think you're right...

BC - 303
January 23rd, 2007, 02:23 PM
I love that about Stargate, how they can make the little characters have stories to tell as well, sure some characters disappear after there first episode (the business guy in "Covenent" anyone) But some characters will always just crop up in the background. IE Syler, Walter, Lorne etc etc.
I mean Lorne did practically nothing in Enemy mine, however he is now a recurring character on Atlantis.

This episode did surprise me, i though it would be just a clone of "There By the Grace of the Gods", which im not knocking, that was an amazing episode, and its a clever idea to do a nod to that considering there 9 years apart, however it turned out to be so much greater then the clone i though it would, with the darker storyline, and the amazing acting, as i have come to expect from Amanda Tapping, with the appearances of Lorne, Hammond and McKay (One of my favourite characters), and the little shippy moments (friendships a ship too) between Vala and Sam. Season 10 is turning out to be amazing!!

Alipeeps
January 23rd, 2007, 02:33 PM
I rather liked this ep... even if I did find the plotline to be kinda a hotch-potch of some of the story elements from There But For The Grace of God and 2001.

I was pleasantly surprised to see Lorne and McKay in this ep - I hadn't expected that - and found this AU version of McKay much more convincing (as in recognisably the same man but also noticeably different) than that in McKay & Mrs Miller.

I liked Sam in this episode but I have to admit that a lot of my interest in the ep came from the AU elements - seeing characters we know in different situations. As far as the plot went.. it was all a little predictable. I called it sooooo early on that they were not gonna let her go back.

Lightning
January 23rd, 2007, 02:38 PM
I loved the fact that the Prommie was now Air Force One!
that was so hilarious.
I was wondering why the Russians would have moved in on the antarctic outpost in a military manner. I would have assumed they knew about it considering the relationship between the two countires prior to Anubis' attack.
oh well maybe in that universe there was never american - russian co-operation on the stargate issue

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 02:41 PM
That's one thing making me glad (not and I repeat NOT to say that I am glad about the cancellation, I was one of the first people to jump online and start doing something when I heard about it...) is that Stargate WILL go out with a bang instead of a whine. Season 10 is really doing well so far, I'm very impressed with the recent episodes and if SG-1 has to go, then this is how I'd like to see it go.

Trust me, as an X-Files fan I had to watch the most brilliant and intelligent show I've ever seen drag itself on for 2 seasons where it just crumbled to nothing... you don't want to see your show go like that folks... as it is, I trust that the rest of season 10 is going to be equally good, and I'm optimistic about the movies (even though I did snort at the titles, I'm sorry but could there *be* anything cheesier than Stargate:Continuum? *frondesk*) so our fandom will die a 'noble death' as it were ;)

Now all I have to worry about is this new spinoff series... :S

Edit:


I was wondering why the Russians would have moved in on the antarctic outpost in a military manner. I would have assumed they knew about it considering the relationship between the two countires prior to Anubis' attack.
oh well maybe in that universe there was never american - russian co-operation on the stargate issue

I may be reading too much between the lines here, but judging by the surprised reactions Sam got when she mentioned an 'international base' on Atlantis, I'm assuming there never was international co-operation on the Stargate programme in that universe... so I think you're right... they went public with it quite early and an international effort was never really established... just my two cents though...

Starxgate
January 23rd, 2007, 02:51 PM
Awesome episode. It was so much fun seeing Hammond back & in charge of the SGC. I like these episodes sure they have been done before but it also helps shows us what could happen in our universe

BC - 303
January 23rd, 2007, 02:51 PM
so our fandom will die a 'noble death' as it were ;)

says who, SG1 isnt dieing, the show is dieing, but Stargate lives on, AND SG-1 lives on through the movies, and it will carry on.

Stargate will live on, just wait and see.

JackDaniels
January 23rd, 2007, 02:57 PM
Apologies to all those who liked the episode, but while it was a good attempt and I praise Amanda Tapping for holding an episode pretty much by herself I just didn't like it. While I would say that some of my issues may seem superficial they did culminate in a "what the ...." moment for me. I was left a little cold.

Here are a few of my issues (I will deal with positives later)

1. Okay - highly superficial, but it seems we had the pleasure of seeing that horrific wig sported by Daniel in Mobieus landing on the head of our fair Colonel Mitchell. Have to tell ya - neither of you suited it.
2. Hank Landry was an ass. And whilst many would comment that the AU theory would allow for character change, all others stayed true to their original character. Does this give a representation of his true nature?
3. How useful are secret service agents in any universe. Surely they've heard of covert?
4. I find it hard to believe Sam appeared to become so accepting so quickly of the media attention that was spun on her. While she may have been forced into attending the event at the request of the president she didn't have to capitulate by wearing a rather stunning evening gown.
5. I found the ending a little too quick. The decision to let her leave and McKay's evident quick solution to the interdimensional gateway calculations was very quick and dealt with in a limited fashion that could only be explained by the need to wrap up the episode.
6. I found Sam's interaction with the team at the end rather awkward and especially Vala's 'hug' - we know from prior knowledge that some touching moments and interaction between the two women has been cut from previous episodes and I felt that without this I struggles to believe this was genuine affection. I could say it was displacement as Vala is somewhat lost without Daniel but from my persective her main source of strength, in the absence of Daniel, comes from Mitchell.
7. Little nagging point: Why didn't Sam ask where Jack was?


Positives:
1. General Hammond - still love the man and he stayed true to his character throughout.
2. Major Lorne - a nice character use and I liked the chemistry he seemed to have with Sam (something I hope may be used when she joins Atlantis)
3. Amanda Tapping - she did well to hold her own.
4. Rodney McKay - brilliant in any universe.

The end.

Matt G
January 23rd, 2007, 03:08 PM
Right...

1. General Hammond! Had to do a double take there! :) Also interesting to see Lorne in SG1 again.

2. Didn't expect the ep to go as dark as it did to some extent but that made it interesting.

3. Barely recognised Mitchell.

4. Only annoyance is that the writers cacked up the pacing so they did a run-out-of-script ending of "oh, I'm going to build an Interdimensional bridge" wham!

Overall, better than the Quest, better than Point of View. Was never going to beat TBFTGOG though and still doesn't beat The Pegasus Project.

Trialia
January 23rd, 2007, 03:09 PM
Someone in the Sam/Vala thread uploaded a lovely screencap-- (no direct linking please, I uploaded that to my own server.)

http://unfaithful-mirror.net/images/caps/samvala6mr.jpg

MasterPower
January 23rd, 2007, 03:16 PM
I have a synopsis if anyone is interested?
Let me know

Yes, please.

And more pictures!! :cameron:

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 03:18 PM
4. Rodney McKay - brilliant in any universe.


Ahh the beautiful truth ;) I agree on the snappy ending though... I remember looking at the clock and wondering how on Earth they were going to wrap in any decent way...


Someone in the Sam/Vala thread uploaded a lovely screencap-- (no direct linking please, I uploaded that to my own server.)

http://unfaithful-mirror.net/images/caps/samvala6mr.jpg

That's a *really* beautiful cap...

ACharmedAsgard
January 23rd, 2007, 03:18 PM
AAHHHHHh! General Hammond!!!!!!
Promethus!!!!!!!!!!

THE EARTH WENT OUT OF PHASE!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

One of the Best Episodes EVER!

mancslad08
January 23rd, 2007, 03:20 PM
It was funny at the end with Bill examining the room with the "satellite" (I don't know the technically term, doohickey?), and Carter came back and shouted in it :D

Hilarious.

mancslad08
January 23rd, 2007, 03:21 PM
i thought only an ancient could use the chair, so i was a little confused as to how they beat the Ori the first time, but hey, the episode was so good i'm willing to overlook it, i might just be forgeting stuff

Another plot hole.

mancslad08
January 23rd, 2007, 03:23 PM
Apologies to all those who liked the episode, but while it was a good attempt and I praise Amanda Tapping for holding an episode pretty much by herself I just didn't like it. While I would say that some of my issues may seem superficial they did culminate in a "what the ...." moment for me. I was left a little cold.

Here are a few of my issues (I will deal with positives later)

1. Okay - highly superficial, but it seems we had the pleasure of seeing that horrific wig sported by Daniel in Mobieus landing on the head of our fair Colonel Mitchell. Have to tell ya - neither of you suited it.
2. Hank Landry was an ass. And whilst many would comment that the AU theory would allow for character change, all others stayed true to their original character. Does this give a representation of his true nature?
3. How useful are secret service agents in any universe. Surely they've heard of covert?
4. I find it hard to believe Sam appeared to become so accepting so quickly of the media attention that was spun on her. While she may have been forced into attending the event at the request of the president she didn't have to capitulate by wearing a rather stunning evening gown.
5. I found the ending a little too quick. The decision to let her leave and McKay's evident quick solution to the interdimensional gateway calculations was very quick and dealt with in a limited fashion that could only be explained by the need to wrap up the episode.
6. I found Sam's interaction with the team at the end rather awkward and especially Vala's 'hug' - we know from prior knowledge that some touching moments and interaction between the two women has been cut from previous episodes and I felt that without this I struggles to believe this was genuine affection. I could say it was displacement as Vala is somewhat lost without Daniel but from my persective her main source of strength, in the absence of Daniel, comes from Mitchell.
7. Little nagging point: Why didn't Sam ask where Jack was?


Positives:
1. General Hammond - still love the man and he stayed true to his character throughout.
2. Major Lorne - a nice character use and I liked the chemistry he seemed to have with Sam (something I hope may be used when she joins Atlantis)
3. Amanda Tapping - she did well to hold her own.
4. Rodney McKay - brilliant in any universe.

The end.


Nice summing up of the problems.

The team moments since Cam and Vala arrived are ALL cringeworthy and awkward.

Starxgate
January 23rd, 2007, 03:24 PM
Now Sam knows how to hide an entire planet. That is one hell of a defense

SGFerrit
January 23rd, 2007, 03:25 PM
Another plot hole.

Uhh, no actually. Anyone with the ancient gene can use it, not just the ancients themselves. And they obviously know a fair deal about all that considering they could translate the ancient text on Merlin's device

Haven't you been paying attention over the last 3 years of SG-1 and Atlantis?

mancslad08
January 23rd, 2007, 03:26 PM
Now Sam knows how to hide an entire planet. That is one hell of a defense

No doubt it'll be conveniently forgotten at a later date or some last minute detail will exclude them from ever doing this again.

The writer's can't think that far ahead remember. These are the same writer's who think that giving us Lucius twice in the same season is a good idea. Once was bad enough, but TWICE???

mancslad08
January 23rd, 2007, 03:27 PM
Uhh, no actually. Anyone with the ancient gene can use it, not just the ancients themselves. And they obviously know a fair deal about all that considering they could translate the ancient text on Merlin's device

Haven't you been paying attention over the last 3 years of SG-1 and Atlantis?

Lucky they know about genes but not Atlantis then eh

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 03:27 PM
says who, SG1 isnt dieing, the show is dieing, but Stargate lives on, AND SG-1 lives on through the movies, and it will carry on.

Stargate will live on, just wait and see.

Well I see the end of the show as the end of an era... the movies will be different... I'm not 'dooming' it in any sense, but this is one form of an end... and I like that they're going out with class...

sgeureka
January 23rd, 2007, 03:28 PM
Just a quick question: Could this episode have logically aired before "Line in the sand"?

Ace
January 23rd, 2007, 03:29 PM
Another plot hole.

Its not another plot hole... any body with the ATA gene can use the chair.

It could have been an AU Jack, Carson, Sheppard or Joe Spencer... anyone of them could have used the chair. It just wasn't stated...

Ace

ACharmedAsgard
January 23rd, 2007, 03:31 PM
Oh please.

Because of General Hammond, the Prometheus and the fact that the Earth went out of phase?

Anyone STILL want to argue with me about people on here LOVING EPISODES!!!!!!!! because of stupid little things like Vala hugging Sam or things like that?
I liked the episode cause I thought it was cool

If you don't agree, so be it, it's your opinion :)

But me loving an episode is my opinion, and to me, that's all that counts.

Oh and I liked that Sam has more of a primary role.

SGFerrit
January 23rd, 2007, 03:32 PM
Lucky they know about genes but not Atlantis then eh

Incase you have forgotten, they figured out about genes in the antarctic outpost, not in Atlantis.

What am I talking about, of course you've forgotten. My apologies.

sueKay
January 23rd, 2007, 03:32 PM
Don't feed the trolls ;)

mancslad08
January 23rd, 2007, 03:33 PM
Well I see the end of the show as the end of an era... the movies will be different... I'm not 'dooming' it in any sense, but this is one form of an end... and I like that they're going out with class...



How is getting cancelled after TPTB blindly pushed on with season after season with quality going downhill until we're left with the mess we have now "going out with class"?

SGFerrit
January 23rd, 2007, 03:36 PM
No doubt it'll be conveniently forgotten at a later date or some last minute detail will exclude them from ever doing this again.

The writer's can't think that far ahead remember. These are the same writer's who think that giving us Lucius twice in the same season is a good idea. Once was bad enough, but TWICE???

I highly doubt it. Why was their 2 episodes in a row done about it, and why did Sam emphasize so strongly to Cam last week that the device shouldn't be destroyed?

And no, it's not the same writers who wrote Lucius into Atlantis. get your facts right before you go and make stupid comments.

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 03:36 PM
Now Sam knows how to hide an entire planet. That is one hell of a defense

It is, but I don't think it's very well thought out... the Ori are going to be able to do at least some guesswork;

1. Things keep disappearing before their eyes. How annoying for them.
2. Obviously that takes a lot of power. Power that can't be sustained forever.
3. All they have to do is hang around long enough, the Earth won't be able to sustain staying out of phase forever and when they reappear, power will be severely depleted or non-existant, leaving Earth very vulnerable.
4. Earth go bye bye.

While it's a perfectly good temporary measure, it's a stopgap solution at best... the Ori can't be encountering fierce opposition anywhere else in the galaxy... Earth are essentially the superpower, given that there aren't enough Goa'uld to put up anything like a reasonable resistance and there aren't all *that* many more technoligically advanced planets... most of which refuse to fight or defend themselves properly... so the Ori can certainly spare at least one ship to wait for Earth to let down its defences... one ship would be all it takes if Earth has no power reserves left...

PLUS, forcing Earth to stay out of phase would be advantageous to the Ori; no one would be travelling around meddling in their affairs, they would even have time to build a second supergate without interference...

SGFerrit
January 23rd, 2007, 03:39 PM
It is, but I don't think it's very well thought out... the Ori are going to be able to do at least some guesswork;

1. Things keep disappearing before their eyes. How annoying for them.
2. Obviously that takes a lot of power. Power that can't be sustained forever.
3. All they have to do is hang around long enough, the Earth won't be able to sustain staying out of phase forever and when they reappear, power will be severely depleted or non-existant, leaving Earth very vulnerable.
4. Earth go bye bye.

While it's a perfectly good temporary measure, it's a stopgap solution at best... the Ori can't be encountering fierce opposition anywhere else in the galaxy... Earth are essentially the superpower, given that there aren't enough Goa'uld to put up anything like a reasonable resistance and there aren't all *that* many more technoligically advanced planets... most of which refuse to fight or defend themselves properly... so the Ori can certainly spare at least one ship to wait for Earth to let down its defences... one ship would be all it takes if Earth has no power reserves left...

PLUS, forcing Earth to stay out of phase would be advantageous to the Ori; no one would be travelling around meddling in their affairs, they would even have time to build a second supergate without interference...

Yeah, but it is better than nothing. It would give the team time, if anything.

Kazan
January 23rd, 2007, 03:40 PM
Synopsis coming up for those who want to know.…….

Ok not everything but you'll get the idea
First half
Opening Teaser
Sam is working in a lab.
Cameron comes in and hits a force shield she has erected.
She is working on Merlins device and has the force field up to limit the size of the phase shift.
She asks about Daniel – no news.

She wants to runs one more test, Cam watches from viewing gallery. Sam phase shifts then there is a flash and she disappears completely and is knocked out.
She wakes up and drops the force field. In rush Dr Lee and he calls her Major.
Then in comes Major Lorne! Sam is very surprised and asks why he isn’t on Atlantis – he replies he is leader of SG1. They have never been to Atlantis!
End teaser

Lorne rushes into the control room to see……General Hammond
He explains the situation to Hammond that Sam claims to be a Lt Colonel and has been brought to their reality through some accident.

Lorne talks with Sam in an interrogation room about what happened, about her being thrown to this reality and their major Sam may have transferred to another parallel universe.
Sam asks about Daniel, Cam, Tealc and Vala. Lorne tells her Daniel was captured by the Ori some weeks ago, Cam has left the airforce and is not in the program, Tealc returned to the Jaffa a long time ago and Vala is in a cell at Area 51.
Sam convinces them to let her look at least look at the surveillance footage to see what happened at the time of the accident.
Dr Lee and Lorne watch with Sam and they see the explosion in their lab but then nothing. They had been working on a “inter universal bridge” at exactly the same time Sam had been out of phase shift working on the Merlin device and must have been pulled across the bridge as she was slightly out of phase.
They were trying to pull energy from lots of different universes. Lorne ask whether their Major Sam would have been sent to the other reality but Sam says no. Its clear she thinks Major Carter is dead
End Act 1

Act 2
Hammond asks to see the president to update him.
Then he goes to see Sam with Lorne in the lockup. Sam is surprised and pleased to see him.
Hammond explains that her appearance is bad timing. They were recently attacked by one ship of the Ori. They managed to fight them off with the Antarctic chair but they depleted the power. That was why Major Carter was trying to find and alternative power source and hence the experiment they were working on. The two explain that the world they are in is very different. They are under martial law. Following an attack by Anubis they had to go public with the Stargate and they had to reveal everything. There was wholesale panic and infighting amongst various governments and riots. The president had to declare martial law.
Hammond explains that they need her to work on a power source to help them
Sam explains she needs to get back to her universe to help fight the Ori there. Hammond says if she helps them, they will then help her to return. He asks what time scale she may need to try and complete the work on an alternative power source. Sam says she has no idea but it could take months.
Hammond says they don’t have that luxury - he explains that time is very short – they are expecting a full scale Ori attack within days!

Hammond, Lee and Lorne watch Sam from the viewing area. She explains that she doesn’t think she would be able to follow up with Major Carters work in the time frame so she has come up with a different idea. She shows them the phase shift and suggests that they manipulate the field – so that they can hide the entire planet from the Ori!

Lorne and Sam talk.
Sam found pictures of Major Carter and Lorne and that Sam has a wedding ring. She asks Lorne if they were married – he says no but the picture must have been before the divorce. She asks who she was married to. Lorne replies “some dot com millionaire smartass called McKay”.
Sams face is an absolute picture!
Lorne says I guess you had one in your reality and asks if he was a jerk there too!!!

Hammond and Sam take the elevator up to the conference room – there are secret service people everywhere and they walk into meet the President – its Landry!
He explains they have been working on a back up to take power from the US Power grid for some time and they have an interface in place that can be used to give Sam the power she needs to complete the planet phase shift.

Landry sends Sam to area 51 and he wants her to take as much power as she can from the grid.
Landry makes a broadcast and tells the public they will experience some power loss The Ori ships show up and although it takes time to get the necessary power eventually after cutting it close they manage to get enough power and Sam phase shifts the planet. The Ori attack is averted.
Landry is walking with Sam saying that he expects she will want to work on a way to get home. Sam says she already is.
Landry then walk her to the gate room and there is a ton of press. Landry introduces her. Lots of media frenzy and flash bulbs and TV cameras. Sam is very uncomfortable and shocked.

Sam is in a Limo going to a black tie party in her honour. She is talking with Dr Lee on the phone about results of a test on how she can get back to her reality. The results are not good. She is the special guest at the reception and gets lots of attention. She speaks with Landry and he explains how much they need her help and that her appearance is great timing. Sam says she feels like an impostor and doesn’t really belong. Landry says nonsense – its clear he is expecting her to take over the role the previous Major Carter was doing and that they have little intention of letting her go home to her reality.
Then a protester breaks in shouting “No Security without Freedom” wanting an end to the martial law etc.
Hes is dragged away but not before he is stunned by a gould pain stick. Sam is totally shocked.
She and Landry are beamed away as a security precaution up to the Prometheus – or Airforce 1 as it is called.
Sam asks about the protester and the martial Law. Landry says they have no real choice. He seems unaffected by it all.

Second part to follow

sueKay
January 23rd, 2007, 03:41 PM
Oh how I love my ignore button

Oh how I loathe my nosiness in having to read the posts of those on my ignore list

But Oh how I love the report button :mckay:

...any caps yet, anyone?

Alipeeps
January 23rd, 2007, 03:42 PM
Lucky they know about genes but not Atlantis then eh

In our own reality they figured out the concept of the ancient gene and needing it to use the weapons chair - and used that chair to fight off Anubis' attack. All before they ever found Atlantis.

<anip>

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 03:42 PM
Just a quick question: Could this episode have logically aired before "Line in the sand"?

*thinks for a moment*

Yes I suppose so, since technically Sam is tinkering with the same device in both... they're pretty interchangable I'd say yes...


Yeah, but it is better than nothing. It would give the team time, if anything.

Oh absolutely, I'm not saying it's at all useless, but it's certainly not earth's salvation or anything like that...

Kazan
January 23rd, 2007, 03:44 PM
And the second part.....

Act3
Sam in her lab, watching TV – shows lots of destruction. Hammond explains it was an Irish village bombed by American F302 bombers . Hammond explains it was at the request of the Irish Prime Minister since the village was actually a training camp for a group looking to overthrow several European Governments.
Sam is very unhappy with many of the things she has read on the mission reports. She and Hammond argue about a lot of the things that have happened. Hammond says they don’t much like it but they had no choice with all the rioting and fighting that went on. He argues that Landry brought them back from the brink of chaos but Sam says that was 3 years ago!

Sam goes to see Rodney!!!
Lots of funny banter
He asks what she wants.She says it may surprise him but she is not what she seems. He says "oh god you are not a lesbian are you"!
She explains she is from an alternate universe. He thinks it is a joke but she explains what McKay in her universe is doing on Atlantis and what he is like.
Sam explains that she got dragged through to his universe and that his Sam – his ex-wife was killed at the same time. Rodney is shocked and a little upset.
She asks for his help.


Back to SGC. Dr Lee now has this realities version of the Merlin device. The only one who understands it is Sam.
Hammond and Landry talk – Landry will not let Sam get back to her reality as he still needs her help. Hammond is not happy and doesn’t really agree but goes along.

Sam convinces Rodney to help her. She explains that he built a bridge in her reality. She tries to butter him up with flattery which he still sees though but agrees to help anyway.

Back at the SGC Sam finds her equipment has not been returned from area 51. Landry explains they will not let Sam return to her reality yet. He needs her to help the battle and to give him political standing. There are no elections anymore so Sam and her help saving the world has helped him. He tells her she has to participate in a series of media interviews and press events in order to boost his popularity and gain him political capital.

Hammond tries to convince Landry to let her go but to no avail.

Sam is not happy.
She goes to leave and Landrys aide says she should be careful – he knows she saw McKay and tells her he will find a way to bring McKay down if he helps her.

Sam goes to see someone – its Cameron
He is in a wheelchair and is very unkempt, embittered and unhappy. He is drinking heavily and smoking. He explains what happened to him and that he was shot down in his F302. He was used as a political poster child. He originally played along, did all the political rallies, dinners etc. But then he saw through everything and questioned it he was dropped, lost his medical care etc.

Sam goes to leave - she is really shocked at how low Cam has fallen. He says she can see the price of sticking up for your principles.
After leaving she calls the aide and says she will do the interviews and go along with the media and political circus.

Sam starts a live interview on TV. She starts off normal but then goes into a speech about democracy and how the people need to take back control of their lives and demand accountability from the president to try and return to a normal way of life and civil liberties.
The aide cuts off the live interview.

Sam is with McKay and is trying to find any information on her interview on the press cuttings on the internet. McKay says they will have censored it, there will be no press about it. Sam finds nothing except one thing that basically covers up her rant and that she will be cancelling her future appearances.
McKay says that’s what always happens but Sam is convinced that people will have seen her small section that was transmitted before the feed was cut.
End Act3

Act 4
Sam leaves Rodneys office and is accosted in the street by Landrys aide and the secret service. Despite trying to fight them off, she is zatted. She is taken to see Landry on board the Prometheus

Sam is gagged. Sam asks if her needs her for her technical expertise or as a political prop. Landry says both.
She says she will not keep her mouth shut anymore but Landry says isn’t that what you do in your world where the Stargate is kept a secret. He says she can talk about freedom and democracy but they are hiding the greatest secret from their own people. Sam says at least they do not intend to abandon the rest of the galaxy to the Ori
Landry says maybe not now but what does she think will happen if she gives them the same phase shift technology – maybe the rest of the galaxy wont seem all that important anymore.
Sam says she know at least one man who wont feel that way – General Hank Landry, Head of the SGC in her reality.

McKay is back at the SGC - he has been “persuaded” that he needs to take over her job - First order is to create a bridge to get Sam back home –they are letting her go!
Sam is surprised – she says they must have realised she is more trouble than she is worth!. He says he said them same thing the day they got divorced!

McKay says he them has to work on getting their Merlin device to work. Sam convinces him that he needs to keep working on things to help everyone in the universe and that Rodney needs to be the little voice in the Presidents ear – she is convinced he is a good man at heart but just needs reminding to do the right thing.

Dr Lee is looking around the Lab that Sam originally disappeared from. Sam re-appears, scaring the heck out of him.
Back in Sams Lab with Cam, Tealc and Vala. They ask what they were like in the alternative reality. Apart from saying that Vala was in prison she says she’d rather not say.
She asks what they did whilst she was gone. They are very embarrassed but finally admit they thought she was simply out of phase so they took turns in talking to her – for 2 weeks to an empty room!
Sam asks what they spoke about but they all excuse themselves and leave. Vala gets to the door but then runs back to give Sam a big hug and says “Welcome Back Samantha, we really did miss you”
Big Smile from Sam and as Vala finally leaves, she says “ its good to be home”
End

SGFerrit
January 23rd, 2007, 03:48 PM
Oh absolutely, I'm not saying it's at all useless, but it's certainly not earth's salvation or anything like that...

Personally I think (If Sam can eventually create her own devices) the tecnology will be better used on ships, when they are damaged, they can simply phase out. Or do what Romulans do and go into enemy territory etc...

But tbh I tink it's just cool that they can hide a whole planet! it will likely come in usefull, if the worst comes to the worst.

Anyway, great episode!

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 03:53 PM
Personally I think (If Sam can eventually create her own devices) the tecnology will be better used on ships, when they are damaged, they can simply phase out. Or do what Romulans do and go into enemy territory etc...


Now ships, THERE is a good use for it...

All in all, I think it's quite a brilliant idea, and I was using something similar to the Sodan device in my own fanfic long before the show came up with it... but I just object to the idea of people thinking that it's a sustainable defense for Earth.. for anything else, it's brilliant!

Starxgate
January 23rd, 2007, 03:54 PM
This would also be a good way to "cloak" Atlantis without using a ZPM

BC - 303
January 23rd, 2007, 04:03 PM
Well I see the end of the show as the end of an era... the movies will be different... I'm not 'dooming' it in any sense, but this is one form of an end... and I like that they're going out with class...

i agree with you


Just a quick question: Could this episode have logically aired before "Line in the sand"?

I think not, i think "A line in the sand" showed the device only just being moved out of theoretical stages, where as "The road not taken" shows the device being used properly, with tests to expand it around the whole world. If they KNEW it would work like this, they wouldnt have been so unsure in "A line in the Sand"

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 04:09 PM
I think not, i think "A line in the sand" showed the device only just being moved out of theoretical stages, where as "The road not taken" shows the device being used properly, with tests to expand it around the whole world. If they KNEW it would work like this, they wouldnt have been so unsure in "A line in the Sand"

Ah, I retract my previous opinion in favour of this one... it's true that the device was only in the theoretical stages in LitS...

cheese
January 23rd, 2007, 04:25 PM
Twas pretty good but the end seriously seriously sucked, one of the worst SG endings ever.

Hiding Earth? Okay, so now the moon is off on a tangent then, since Earth shifted out of phase.

And talk about subtle, do you think this might be a critique on the war or terror perhaps?

myblackrose
January 23rd, 2007, 04:29 PM
Hiding Earth? Okay, so now the moon is off on a tangent then, since Earth shifted out of phase.

And talk about subtle, do you think this might be a critique on the war or terror perhaps?

*realisation dawns*

Woah yeah, I'll bet they didn't think of that... the moon's halfway to Jupiter by now then! LOL!

Well I'm not sure they're going for subtlety... the entire Ori plotline is a pretty in your face metaphor...

ACharmedAsgard
January 23rd, 2007, 04:43 PM
Less arguing please, this not a place for it.

You either like the episode or not, but you must accept people have their opinions and you cannot shout at them or insult them for it.

If you don't agree, read the forum rules.

Sorry to be a stick in the mud but your probably scaring people away.

Thanks

cheese
January 23rd, 2007, 04:46 PM
*realisation dawns*

Woah yeah, I'll bet they didn't think of that... the moon's halfway to Jupiter by now then! LOL!

Well I'm not sure they're going for subtlety... the entire Ori plotline is a pretty in your face metaphor...

Sure, but this was just clumsy. Lorne brought in purely for the Oooh It's him! Effect. People solving massive physics problems seemingly in mere minutes. The aweful rushed ending. It's like the writer realised that he was painted into a corner and suddenly went, "okay by magic everything is solved." They wrote an incredibly difficult situation for Sam, and suddenly all the problems floated away, with no real action required from Sam.

When Earth vanished surely the Ori could just leave a couple of ships in waiting and carry on the war, waiting for them to reappear.

It felt overall pretty cheap, no SFX to speak of except a few flashing lights. And this episode did nothing to advance the Ori storyline, or season ten as a whole, which should be pushing forward hard considering it is the final season and (as far as I know) when they were filming the second half of the season they knew it was the last one.

The more I think about this one the more it feels like a filler episode that served little purpose than to air the writer's political views and show off Amanda Tapping's cleavage.

mancslad08
January 23rd, 2007, 04:53 PM
For the record I actually quite liked this episode. Good beginning but it got rubbish half way through when they didn't know where they wanted the story to go. The "ending" ruined it even more. Talk about a last second anti-climax.

Still, ENOUGH with the AU stories!

Oh and ENOUGH with that moron Dr Lee.

Alipeeps
January 23rd, 2007, 05:10 PM
KPnuts.. can I make a helpful suggestion?

I don't know if you've maybe not used it yet but since the forum upgrade there is now the multi-quote button (the little "+ button inbetween quote and QR). If you click on this button in a post you want to quote it turns orange and "marks" that post. You can click on multi-quote in as many posts as you like and then when you click on post reply, it will automatically quote all those posts you marked into the reply box with the quote tags etc already included so that you can type your responses.

It would save you from having to post three separate replies in a row, each to a separate post.

Agent_Dark
January 23rd, 2007, 05:48 PM
Best episode in a long time.

Mandysg1
January 23rd, 2007, 05:49 PM
Oh please.

Because of General Hammond, the Prometheus and the fact that the Earth went out of phase?

Anyone STILL want to argue with me about people on here LOVING EPISODES!!!!!!!! because of stupid little things like Vala hugging Sam or things like that?

I hope you do realize that people have the right to their opinions and to be respected. If you disagree state that you disagree, don't disrespect people that is against the rules.

Skydiver
January 23rd, 2007, 05:54 PM
Ok guys.

1) i'm gonna ask another mod to come in and review - you know one that's actuallySEEN the episode not one who's now been spoiled - thanks by the way :)

2) this is a DISCUSSION thread, which means that both pro AND anti opinions are welcome. As long as they are stated within the bounds of the rules, ALL opinions are welcome.
This is NOT a thread only for those that loved the show. This is not a thread to tell people to bugger off if they can't praise it. this is a thread for ALL opinions.

You don't have to like them, you don't have to agree with them but you DO have to respect them.

3) We mods do what we can when we can. and making post after post complaining about us not snapping to your every whim just gives us more off topic posts to delete. The topic is the episode and peoples opinions aobut it. it is NOT on topic to complain about the mods. it is NOT on topic to complain about other posters. it is NOT on topic to discuss other threads.

Keep this thread on topic.

which, for those that might have missed it is 'discussion of the road not taken'....and here is a little clue for you, DISCUSSION only takes place when multiple opinions and points of view are allowed.

You wanna discuss only the positive aspects with no debate allowed, go to the pro s10 thread. You wanna complain with no debate allowed, go to the anti s10 thread. You wanna discuss both the positive and negative aspects, keep it here and keep it on topic

rnwhocares
January 23rd, 2007, 06:16 PM
Can anyone tell me what the coming attractions were like for The Shroud?

sueKay
January 23rd, 2007, 06:19 PM
Screencaps anywhere people please!!

esoap524
January 23rd, 2007, 06:40 PM
This episode was good but surprisingly dark, I thought. I also think my copy somehow skipped a little; it felt like the end was very rushed. I did like Vala/Carter moment (we missed you, Samantha). I wonder if the actresses tossed that in?

Loved the McKay/Carter stuff as well and actually felt sorry for him knowing that his Sam had died, even if they were divorced. And Cam Mitchell was one bitter guy--I really liked seeing Ben get the chance to do bitter and broken once again. And I actually liked the hair. ;)

Oh, yeah...Hammond and Landry. Good stuff.

Very good ep. These last three have just been stellar; I hope it continues in this way.

coolove
January 23rd, 2007, 06:48 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. I loved the differences in the characters from the two Au's. I usually roll my eyes over any Rodney and Sam scene because I find them boring and redundant but I actually liked some of their scenes today. Watching AU Cam was just heartbreaking and I really loved the little Vala/Sam moment. It's episodes like these that make me wish SG1 was given an 11th season to wrap things up properly.

StayingOccupied
January 23rd, 2007, 07:10 PM
I liked this episode a lot. Best one of the last handful. I'm also looking forward to sam on atlantis more now.

Mitchell82
January 23rd, 2007, 07:23 PM
Great ep Sam in top form. Loved how they mentiond Daniel two seperate times. Nice to see how the world went to hell when the Stargate was revealed to the public. Nice to see the Japenese ambasadors prediction from "Disclosure" came true. About us using our tech against our nehigbors. Wish Vala was in it more, great seeing Hammond again. Mitchell playeda great drunk, LMAO at Sam being married to Rodney. Great interaction there. 10/10 from me everyone and eeverything was in top form. Can't wait for Shroud.

Trialia
January 23rd, 2007, 07:34 PM
Oh how I love my ignore button

Oh how I loathe my nosiness in having to read the posts of those on my ignore list

But Oh how I love the report button :mckay:

...any caps yet, anyone?
Lol...

I learned long before now to never look at anything a certain person in this thread says because it'll just make me get mad. :P

Iguana775
January 23rd, 2007, 07:47 PM
I loved the episode except how Sam got back seemed way to easy. All the sudden she's back? Would have liked to see Sam and Rodney work on her way back a bit.

I wonder if Sam will try to make earth disappear now that she knows she can. hell, they could use the device on a 302 and just fly right next to a Ori ship while their sheilds are down, phase-in drop a nuke and phase out.

Mitchell82
January 23rd, 2007, 07:51 PM
I loved the episode except how Sam got back seemed way to easy. All the sudden she's back? Would have liked to see Sam and Rodney work on her way back a bit.

I wonder if Sam will try to make earth disappear now that she knows she can. hell, they could use the device on a 302 and just fly right next to a Ori ship while their sheilds are down, phase-in drop a nuke and phase out.

It may not work in our universe as things are different here. It may it may not.

PG15
January 23rd, 2007, 08:10 PM
Wow! This episode was just, well, awesome! There were so many layers to it; we had Sam delivering another winner after Line in the Sand, not to mention the return of Hammond, McKay and Lorne to the SG1 world! But above all that, Stargate once again used its devices to analyze real life themes; it was like a lightbulb going off over my head when I realized what was happening. Very very well done episode.

The points:

First, Sam. Sam, Sam, Sam. Let's get this over with first: she was so hot in that dress. Damn, the girl's still got it! :D But of course, she's not just a pretty face. Last week we saw her at her "worst"; she was almost powerless and gravely injured. This week, we saw her at her best; she was in charge, she was knowlegable and she was influencial (and she was hot). Amanda carried both off perfectly, bar none. I loved seeing Sam once again outside of her typical technobabble element, from her uncomfortableness at that dinner party, to her rebel-streak on air. It was truly a treat.

I'd have to admit, I was never a fan of the Sam character because of the technobabble, but these last 2 episodes have totally changed that around! I'm not a huuuuge Sam fan, not yet, but it's definately getting up there.

The other big thing about this episode was the social commentary laced into it. It's not subtle by any means, what with Sam actually talking directly to the audience at one point about making changes (and they did in real life! :D). However, that doesn't mean they did it badly. I got chills when Landry was talking about being the president under "unusual circumstances". 9/11 anyone? He was the representation of Bush, no doubt about it. On the other hand, this wasn't just one way; the stuff Hammond talked about was also true; we are in danger, and we have to protect ourselves if we want to survive. He was right when he said Sam didn't understand; none of us do; that's why there's still posters out there who think revealing the Stargate to the world's population is a good idea. Well, I say to them: watch The Road Not Taken and get back to me!

Another scene relating to this is one of the confrontations between Hammond and Sam, where the bad guys of the galaxy basically got compared to our terrorists; Sam's line of "there will always be " before storming off was especially chilling. It's so true.

To continue on that idea; unlike in There But For The Grace Of God, where it was the attack on Earth by the Goa'uld that made it hell for the people; this episode's antagonist was a lot more subtle. Sure, the Ori was there, but they were "vanquished" after the first third of the episode. Slowly but surely, we find that it is humans that were the enemies in this universe, and that we've slowly (Hammond: (paraphrase) the hard part is getting back out) drilled outselves into hell. This IMHO makes this episode even better than the Danny adventure 10 years ago. That was harmless fun, this was political intrigue on a whole other, deeper level. I think what finally sold that, for me, was Cam.

Ben played it, like Sam, perfectly in this episode. He was very much the beaten soldier, a representation of the people which the state has screwed over in the name of the people. Sounds like our modern war veterans, doesn't it? I tell ya, this episode has gone to places no other episode of SG1 ever went.

Now for the little stuff; I'll list them:

McKay "dream-smiling" after thinking Sam as a lesbian. Dirty boy...;)

All the old faces: Hammond! Dr. Lee! Prometheus!

Talking to an empty room, excellent. :D

And of course, the little hug by Vala; I think Danny's disappearance hit her pretty hard; she wasn't ready to loose another of the only friends she'd probably ever had.

Whew, that was a lot. But then, this episode deserved everyone last letter. It also deserves...

Score: [b]10/10

ForeverSg1
January 23rd, 2007, 08:26 PM
Sure, but this was just clumsy. Lorne brought in purely for the Oooh It's him! Effect. People solving massive physics problems seemingly in mere minutes. The aweful rushed ending. It's like the writer realised that he was painted into a corner and suddenly went, "okay by magic everything is solved." They wrote an incredibly difficult situation for Sam, and suddenly all the problems floated away, with no real action required from Sam.

When Earth vanished surely the Ori could just leave a couple of ships in waiting and carry on the war, waiting for them to reappear.

It felt overall pretty cheap, no SFX to speak of except a few flashing lights. And this episode did nothing to advance the Ori storyline, or season ten as a whole, which should be pushing forward hard considering it is the final season and (as far as I know) when they were filming the second half of the season they knew it was the last one.

The more I think about this one the more it feels like a filler episode that served little purpose than to air the writer's political views and show off Amanda Tapping's cleavage.


I believe you are correct with the assumption that this was a filler episode. However, I believe the real purpose of the episode was probably to save money not to show off Amanda's breast.

Typically they do have one filler each season in order to hopefully cut some of their production costs so that they will have more money to use for big fx episodes. They write a little one-shot episode, they use a secondary crew and they film it the same time as another episode. Which in this case, I believe was Bad Guys if memory serves me correctly.

Overall, I think they did a really good job, but then I personally enjoy AU episodes. I also enjoy the one-shot episodes that do not actually add to the story arc, because they often give us small glimpse into a Stargate character and the universe that we never would have seen otherwise.

Was this my absolutely favorite episode? Not particularly, but I do believe it was one of the better episodes in season 9 and 10. I thought Amanda did a really good job. I thought Ben was also very good in his scene and I thought CB/Vala was really sweet at the end.

The editing seemed a bit choppy to me and like others have said the ending seemed a tad rushed. In fact, I didn't actually realize that Sam was back in her own universe with Bill. I actually thought they were just testing the device until I went back and watched the scene for a second time.

So overall, I enjoyed the episode. Definitely an 8, maybe higher after I've watched it a few times.

But I'm just happy to say that I've had three episodes in a row now that I was actually excited to see and in all three cases I wasn't disappointed. That's a big -- no HUGE -- change for me after season nine.

siXbrownSnakes2
January 23rd, 2007, 08:41 PM
Really liked the episode! I don't know if it's been mentioned (only read a few pages) but I laughed when I heard the stargate theme being played at the "party". Ben Browder did a great job in both of his scenes.

9/10 - subtracted one for the fast ending. They have a habit of doing that.

Mitchell82
January 23rd, 2007, 08:49 PM
Really liked the episode! I don't know if it's been mentioned (only read a few pages) but I laughed when I heard the stargate theme being played at the "party". Ben Browder did a great job in both of his scenes.

9/10 - subtracted one for the fast ending. They have a habit of doing that.

It was? I completely missed that! I'll have to check again. I agree th ending was a little quick but it still gets 10/10 from me.

PG15
January 23rd, 2007, 08:52 PM
Oh my God! I never noticed that! :D

Good one!

Mitchell82
January 23rd, 2007, 08:52 PM
LOL You're right! I can't believe I missed that!

RDAOWNS
January 23rd, 2007, 09:13 PM
I loved the fact that the Prommie was now Air Force One!
that was so hilarious.
I was wondering why the Russians would have moved in on the antarctic outpost in a military manner. I would have assumed they knew about it considering the relationship between the two countires prior to Anubis' attack.
oh well maybe in that universe there was never american - russian co-operation on the stargate issue

No. It was still the Prometheus. 'Air Force One' is the call sign for whatever plane the President happens to be on.

Stef
January 23rd, 2007, 09:25 PM
Did someone ask for screen captures? Here ya go (beware, there's a lot):
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-2.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-16.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-3.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-4.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-17.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-6.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-7.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-9.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-8.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-10.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-11.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-12.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-14.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-15.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/10x13_09-1.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/10x13_14-1.jpg

-Stef

majorsal
January 23rd, 2007, 09:35 PM
Did someone ask for screen captures? Here ya go (beware, there's a lot):
(snip)


thanks! ;)

this one is my fave of the bunch (amanda looks so pretty there)

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-6.jpg

i'm hoping someone will post a transcript (or link for one).



sally :)

Col. Shadow Quinn
January 23rd, 2007, 10:11 PM
I can't see any of the images.

Stef
January 23rd, 2007, 10:17 PM
I can't see any of the images.

Hmmm.....here are the links:
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-2.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-16.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-3.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-4.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-17.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-6.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-7.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-9.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-8.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-10.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-11.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-12.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-14.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/stargate-15.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/10x13_09-1.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/10x13_14-1.jpg

Hope that helps :)

-Stef

Mitchell82
January 23rd, 2007, 11:00 PM
This is one of my favs
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/10x13_09-1.jpg
Just thought that was just a sweet scene.

the fifth man
January 23rd, 2007, 11:01 PM
Sounds like another awesome episode. It appears the second half of Season 10 is just packed with goodies. I can't wait until I get to see this episode.

helio9
January 23rd, 2007, 11:14 PM
Just once I'd like to see them go to an alternate universe thats better than ours.

Plot aside, I would like to state the obvious that Carter's dress during the celebration was the definition of above and beyond the call of duty.

FallenAngelII
January 24th, 2007, 12:19 AM
Lorne looks cuter than ever! Yay Lorne!

Unfortunately, just as I predicted, Sam does nothing wrong. Both Sams did brilliant things. One Sam managed to do what two McKays couldn't and the other Sam saved and entire alternate reality (and now they can cloak our Earth, but there will no doubt be complications which won't be Sam's fault).

I was annoyed at the fact that Sam didn't visit alt!Vala when she was at Area 51.

iheartvala
January 24th, 2007, 12:26 AM
I was annoyed at the fact that Sam didn't visit alt!Vala when she was at Area 51.

me too! I thought for sure she'd want to see Vala. but alas, can't have everything we want. the hug was sooooooooooo cute though.

off to write fan fic I guess!

Dromag67
January 24th, 2007, 12:30 AM
Lorne looks cuter than ever! Yay Lorne!

Unfortunately, just as I predicted, Sam does nothing wrong. Both Sams did brilliant things. One Sam managed to do what two McKays couldn't and the other Sam saved and entire alternate reality (and now they can cloak our Earth, but there will no doubt be complications which won't be Sam's fault).

I was annoyed at the fact that Sam didn't visit alt!Vala when she was at Area 51.

Weren't people complaining back in Season 8 about Sam making a lot of stupid mistakes with Replicarter?

Mabey she learned from them and no longer has the ability to make mistakes. :P

edit : I'll add to this by saying the alt-sam killed herself in her project and the real sam said she could probably could not complete the project that alt-sam died in.

helio9
January 24th, 2007, 12:38 AM
Weren't people complaining back in Season 8 about Sam making a lot of stupid mistakes with Replicarter?

Mabey she learned from them and no longer has the ability to make mistakes. :P

edit : I'll add to this by saying the alt-sam killed herself in her project and the real sam said she could probably could not complete the project that alt-sam died in.
That ep was extreme though. The writers made her look like a complete moron just to advance the plot. The thread about that episode is not flattering.

FallenAngelII
January 24th, 2007, 12:42 AM
Weren't people complaining back in Season 8 about Sam making a lot of stupid mistakes with Replicarter?

Mabey she learned from them and no longer has the ability to make mistakes. :P

edit : I'll add to this by saying the alt-sam killed herself in her project and the real sam said she could probably could not complete the project that alt-sam died in.
No one on the show complained about it. We complained about it and even then (and now), people defended her about it. And that was her one screw-up throughout 10 years.

Elite Anubis Guard
January 24th, 2007, 12:56 AM
I did really enjoy the episode. For some strange and wierd reason, I predicted it was an AU episode a few minutes in - and I hadn't even read the spoilers! Lol. I really enjoyed how different the other AU was. It wasn't just some TBFTGOG universe, it was almost an MU.

It made me smile seeing Hammond again - and seeing Air Force Prometheus :P And now, we know we can phase our entire planet! McKay - I'm glad to say, wasn't a **** like he was in Pegasus Project so I'm really happy about that. BB did fantastic with his role as Cam. I really felt for the guy.

This is another fine example of how S10 is so much better than S9.

Starxgate
January 24th, 2007, 01:00 AM
Maybe she learned from them and no longer has the ability to make mistakes. :P

Thats not true the Asgards will always ask Sam for help when they need stupid ideas :cool:

Alipeeps
January 24th, 2007, 01:04 AM
Can anyone tell me what the coming attractions were like for The Shroud?

Don't be silly... Sky don't actually advertise Stargate! Pfft! And to show a preview for next week's ep?.. are you insane?!! ;)

silence
January 24th, 2007, 01:10 AM
GREAT episode. Didn't expect Lorne or Hammond.
Ending was great ... "you mean you talked to empty room for two weeks"... haha... looks on their faces ... Vala going to bid on e-bay then returning ...

good. better. "The road not taken".

10/10


i was actually skeptical when episode started, thinking "not another alternatve universe ep", but man i am glad i was wrong ... some great moments ...

can't wait for more. :D

lissafoss
January 24th, 2007, 01:26 AM
Lorne!!!!!!!


I love SG1, but when you add Lorne I’m in heaven.

Thanks for the caps Stef, they are great:D


Good episode, it did feel a little rushed at the end, maybe a little more Lorne would have helped:D, but seriously, it did jump from how is she going to get home to wow! She done it.

I liked the fact it wasn’t an evil alternative, this is one option to what could happen when the Stargate goes public. How the public reacts to this information could determine what happens next.

But we know we can defend Earth, and that it could get nasty if/when the stargate program goes public.

Did anyone wonder where Jack was? I would have thought Carter would have asked when she was going through everyone else.

myblackrose
January 24th, 2007, 02:31 AM
Don't be silly... Sky don't actually advertise Stargate! Pfft! And to show a preview for next week's ep?.. are you insane?!! ;)

Oh the bitter truth... :(

lunarleviathan
January 24th, 2007, 03:00 AM
Good episode but the ending ruined it. Didn't like the alternate version of McKay. Considering that the sequence of events wasn't so different in the alternate universe from the regular universe until the battle over Antarctica, I didn't agree that McKay would have been doing what he was doing, didn't fit close enough. Them being married made no sense considering we were given no indication that alternate Carter and alternate McKay were any different personality wise from the regular characters.
Lorne was a nice touch, I felt it was a bit of a random choice for an alternate SG-1 leader though - but he's a good character that deserves more expanse so it's all good.

I think it would've been more interesting to have had O'Neill as the alternate president. That'd be funny. It wouldn't have made any sense, since his character would never make the changes that had been made even when facing the same situation. Still, there would be such comedic value in watching O'Neill deliver a presidential speech. I can't help but wonder what role he actually played in the alternate government, if any at all. A mention wouldn't have gone a miss. I would've thought Carter would've sought him out or atleast asked about him considering the high position he has within the regular universe's Stargate program. Oh well nvm.

Lot's to like about this one. The rushed ending clearly showed that there's so much that needs to be packed into an episode like this, it's just not possible. It might not be as flashy as some other episodes, but a two parter would've been more appropriate for this story I think. Could've explored where more of the characters were, and had something actually happen between talking about Carter getting home and it actually happening.

sgeureka
January 24th, 2007, 03:33 AM
I still do not hear the stargate melody at the party.


5.) More realistic power-down scene. The blacking-out America scene looked too CGI.

I realize perfect CGI still isn't possible a/o 2007. Even Mega-High Budget movies like Spiderman 2 doesn't look "real," I mean you wouldn't mistake its CGI for reality.To paraphrase James Tichenor: "A copy can never be more real than reality."


The editing seemed a bit choppy to me and like others have said the ending seemed a tad rushed. In fact, I didn't actually realize that Sam was back in her own universe with Bill. I actually thought they were just testing the device until I went back and watched the scene for a second time.Dr. Lee had these ugly Buddy Holly glasses in the alternate reality, yet he didn't in our reality.

Unamed
January 24th, 2007, 03:36 AM
dam f302's bombed my village! ha that was the highlight of the ep, Ireland mentioned in stargate deadly! also didnt know there were so many other irish gate fans here

g.o.d
January 24th, 2007, 04:08 AM
it was soooooo boring:confused:

leaper
January 24th, 2007, 04:14 AM
it was soooooo boring:confused:

Well, one would think it would be, for someone who can see all *big grin*

IWKYZerocool
January 24th, 2007, 04:23 AM
This was a good episode, liked the dress sam was wearing wow, now we know what it would be like if Stargate Command announced to the world that the stargate exists.

Jonzey
January 24th, 2007, 04:56 AM
Great episode- with just two disappointments:
1. The ending was very rushed and jarring.
2. I heard they were planning on getting William Devane back to play the President again, but I guess he wasn't available.

SGFerrit
January 24th, 2007, 05:17 AM
it was soooooo boring:confused:

I thought it was great. Much better than the Atlantis 3x13. In fact I saw alot of the Atlantis episodes earlier, the Return, Echoes etc... and I thought they were great (Except Irresponsible), but SG-1 has been even better!

Why did you fnd it boring?

Unamed
January 24th, 2007, 05:20 AM
maj. lourne was excellent i hope he gets a bigger role next season in atlantis

Trialia
January 24th, 2007, 05:20 AM
I thought it was great. Much better than the Atlantis 3x13. In fact I saw alot of the Atlantis episodes earlier, the Return, Echoes etc... and I thought they were great (Except Irresponsible), but SG-1 has been even better!
Irresponsible's airing on Sky tonight, if you didn't know. Just making sure you're aware so you can avoid it, like I plan to do... :P

MechaThor
January 24th, 2007, 05:25 AM
A cool episode showing a very nice new world for stargate to exsplore and what could have been.

Good Bits:
-Lorne was in it whiuch is always gd. However he disappered half way through?
-Bill is also great. The Originla Zelenmka of the stargate world!
-Ori beam cutting through the planet and through the the lab.
- Cameron as a Bum was cool.
- Hints of the alien tech in the real world like the zat and the glow stick
-Air Force One lol
-"OMG your as lesibian" best line this series next to "puff"
-The Dress. Wow!

Bad Bits
-Ending was hamey. However i liked Bill with his instrument thing. lol
-America rulling the world once again. I mean if the timeline was similar up till 3 years ago they would have still of told Russia, Uk, China, Canada and France.
- The whole plot idea of stealing energy from other universes dose sound stupid when they talk about it.
-

Adamus
January 24th, 2007, 06:21 AM
Oooh, also to say that I squeed to see Prometheus again! I was SO gutted when it got blown up in season 9 :(

I also have to laugh that they bombed an 'Irish village'... gee guys I know we're quaint and all, but we have towns and cities too, surely they'd be more of a threat ;) Gotta love stereotypes...

dont forget our loving "prime minister" ol' Bertie but to me he'll always be an taoiseach

scarimor
January 24th, 2007, 06:33 AM
Oh my, two good episodes in a row, and this one was really good, and easily the best 'alternative reality' episode they've done :)

Firstly, the security v. civil liberties theme - ooh topical, and nicely interwoven into the story. One episode isn't a lot of time to get stuff like that across, but it was portrayed at just at the right level; e.g. something as quick and simple as showing a security officer using a Goa'uld pain-stick on a protestor - so much conveyed in that one short action: what have we become like?

I enjoyed the use of guest characters. Way to go Major Lorne, leader of SG-1! Great to see Hammond back in charge of the SGC, and a fine cameo role for Cameron as the guy who was once in Sam's position, showing the results of bucking the system. You've got to admire him for sticking to his principles, and then admire Sam for doing the same despite what may happen. McKay was predictable but his lesbian line cracked me up. It was also nice to see Julia Donovan again, and her approval of Sam's broadcast to the people was a telling touch. Landry was very plausible as the martial law president. He was a rounded character, as aware of the "compromises" he had made as Hammond was, not a simple bad guy.

Cool freaky moment: American F-302's bombing an Irish village. Today the Middle East, tomorrow Europe. Guh.

Cool snuggly moment: Sam/Vala hug. Yummy. *swoon*

Finally, Amanda Tapping - another excellent performance: touches of humour, moments of frustration, moments of surprise, the odd moment of real shock. Very well done. And wow, that woman is gorgeous. And Sam's fight with the security men was really juicy :D She carried this episode just perfect.


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scarimor
January 24th, 2007, 06:43 AM
And since when do we have a Prime Minister instead of a Taoiseach?
And I thought you had a tea shop? :D

Sorry, Drop the dead Donkey joke there. :p I can never hear "Taoiseach" now without laughing at the memory of that scene!

FoolishPleasure
January 24th, 2007, 06:47 AM
Sad that SG1 has reinvented itself and is so good this year, while Atlantis keeps hemorrhaging characters and sinking into the abyss.

SciFi cancelled the wrong show. *cries*

Trialia
January 24th, 2007, 06:49 AM
Sad that SG1 has reinvented itself and is so good this year, while Atlantis keeps hemorrhaging characters and sinking into the abyss.

SciFi cancelled the wrong show. *cries*
Actually, what they did wrong was move Mullie and Mallozzi to the Atlantis writing team. They do SG-1 far better than they've done Atlantis so far, even with the new episodes of SG-1 having been as good as they have. X_X

saberhagen83
January 24th, 2007, 06:56 AM
Incredible, 2 good eps in a row! It's been quite some time since I've enjoyed 2 eps in a row of SG1. Always great to see Amanda getting a bigger role on the show, it's been too little these past 1,5 seasons. She did really good in "Line in the Sand" and did so again here.

I feared the ep might bee too much like Daniel's AU story in S1, a brilliant ep btw :)! But it was very different, and that was good. It was a bit strange ep, but I think all the acting, from Amanda, Ben and Beau were really well done. Some great guest characters as well. Lorne, Dr. Lee, McKay and great too see Hammond back again, I've missed him. It was really great seeing him interact with Sam, it was a little like the good old days.

Nice mix between some lighter/humorous moments with some darker touches with what could actually happen if the Stargate was revealed. Although they did touch on that in "2010". The end scene, well it wasn't really that great. Though I liked it when Sam came back with Lee in the room ;). All in all a very good ep, and some great acting again from AT, she can carry an ep just fine. Hoping they can keep this up, if "The Shroud" is next it might be another interesting ep, but then I fear I will loose the interest again... 4/5 from me.

m_wendy_r
January 24th, 2007, 07:20 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode despite the fact that my VCR didn't start recording until 7 mins in so I was lost for a moment but I quickly caught up.

What a fun way to look at some of the darker traits of the world? Would we really cut ourselves off from the rest of the galaxy if we could hide the world? I'm now really hoping Sam doesn't re-create her work to do so. That was a chilling thought.

Also, I liked the look into what would happen if the world knew of the stargate program, although I thought it would be more realistic if Hayes or someone else had been President as opposed to Landry (although, yes AU). Also chilling that she couldn't get back because they wouldn't let her, we all know Sam's problem wouldn't have been doing the techno bit.

Landry was difficult but then he was President and responsible for the lives of the whole country the mess they were going through, although he had tried to make it right, it just seemed to be getting worse. I definitely didn't agree with his idea, although I could understand why he would want to put Sam's face on it, it still wasn't right.

The last bit was just laugh-out-loud excellent. And it seemed so natural. I really thought their reactions were great, and I'm just dying to know what they spoke about to an empty room when they thought Sam was there. Vala's little hug to Sam was sweet, cute and unexpected. Ended the episode brilliant, and despite the darkness of the episode I found this to be incredibly funny. It could have been so dramatic and heart-wrenching but it wasn't. Kudos to the writers.

My only problem with the ending was the fact it was one of those punch-rushed endings where one minute she's in one reality looking for a way back, the next she's home. But oh well, you can't have everything. ;)

Finally, ABOUT TIME Sam had an episode. How long has it been? Too long! She's always been my favourite character and I'm so happy to see her taking the lead again.

I apologise because I tend to babble when I'm excited.

Wendy
Hugs :)

Unamed
January 24th, 2007, 07:31 AM
season ten is actually turning out to be excellent why couldnt scifi wait, i bet the ratings are going to be through the roof in the US

m_wendy_r
January 24th, 2007, 07:39 AM
Yeah, true, this season has been so brilliant compared to that last. And it's nearly over :( I'm just going to be crying!!!

I do wonder what the ratings will be like? Hmmm, will sci-fi be smashing their heads against the proverbial brick wall. ;) I hope so.

I can't wait for more though. I really need to see the beginning of this episode though. Did I actually miss anything?

Wendy
Hugs :)

BJX
January 24th, 2007, 07:49 AM
This was a good episode that really should have been amazing. Obviously it's a very similar basic storyline to "There But For The Grace of God", which is one of the greatest episodes of all time, but this episode never reached those heights.

It dealt with alot of really interesting issues, and there was some great stuff MENTIONED (being Irish I got a good kick out of our country being bomed by the F-302's) but that's precisely the problem, it was all mentioned and never seen.

We didn't see the soilders out on the streets enforcing martial law. We didn't see the Ori ship being destroyed by the drones, we didn't see the F-302's boming the sh*t out of Ireland, we didn't see any of the international political unrest and worst of all there was no sense of urgency or iminent danger throughout the episode.

It's a shame really because there was such brilliant character interactions throughout the episode. Hammond back in command was great; Beau Bridges was superb as the quitely menacing dictatroial President; it was nice to see Lorne as the leader of SG-1; The McKay/Carter interaction was brilliant as always ("OMG, you're a lesbian aren't you?") and BB played the down and out Mitchell really well.

With all of those great character moments and a good inital storyline it was always going to be a good episode but had we seen some action, had we actually seen what had taken place rather then just hearing about it, it could well have been a classic.

Oh well a decent episode all the same. Can't wait for The Shroud next week!

7/10

talyn2k1
January 24th, 2007, 07:50 AM
Did anyone else get the mommy-vibe from Sam at the end when Vala hugged her, like Vala atleast looked at her as the mommy of the group?

Good points:
Hammond - PTB should work for the NID if they can keep a secret like that!
Lorne - Disappeared inexplicably but was unexpected for him to be there.
Darkside President Landry - Maybe he wasn't so bad in the end...or he just wanted to get her out of the way.
AlterCam - very well played and nice twist with the reason for him being in a wheel chair, not at all expected/
"You're a lesbian!?" :D - Typical McKay though
Ori - Can't get enough of those toilet seats!
Carter looking hot in a dress. - Nuff said
Prometheus in one piece - Long live Prommie and Pendergast
Talking to an empty room for 2 weeks! - lol. Would love to find out what they were saying.

Bad points:
Ending where Sam got back was a little rushed. Was thinking WTF!

9.9/10 - Best AU episode EVER in any Sci-fi series in the history of the multiverse!

petemoretti
January 24th, 2007, 08:01 AM
After that Hammond surprise do you think TPTB might surprise us with RDA/Jack in "Unending" like George Clooney did in "E.R."

JackDaniels
January 24th, 2007, 08:15 AM
Just a quick question: Could this episode have logically aired before "Line in the sand"?

I wondered this also. It seemed in some ways that it should have as there was more querying the wherabouts of Daniel, whilst Line in the Sand seemd to have accepted his disappearance was permanent (Cam admitting that Daniel was lost to them). However, once we see The Shroud next week, it may be more important in that respect that they mentioned Daniel more the previous week.

I'm plodding this over in my head - I think the eps do have to run this way - how else would Sam have known what Ori weapons fire would have looked like as it passed through them had she not experienced it in Line in the Sand? I believe this is the correct ordering of eps.

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 24th, 2007, 08:16 AM
I wonder if we'll ever see what happens in that Earth.

m_wendy_r
January 24th, 2007, 08:23 AM
I wonder if we'll ever see what happens in that Earth.

Yeah, I wonder this too because this AU survived and is still around. Correct me if I'm wrong but the other alternate universe eps (excluded last seasons multiple one) the world's were taken over, completely left in ruins or blown to pieces. I could be wrong of course because I haven't seen those eps for AGES now but I seem to remember that those universe weren't looking so good. I know this one wasn't brilliant but it wasn't completely left for dead, was it?

Interestingly, when they destroyed the Quantum Mirror I thought we'd never get to cross over into another AU, and now we can! YAY, because I love those kind of stories, where everything is the same yet different and we can see what it would be like or where it could go now.

Wendy
Hugs :)

petemoretti
January 24th, 2007, 08:25 AM
Yeah, I wonder this too because this AU survived and is still around. Correct me if I'm wrong but the other alternate universe eps (excluded last seasons multiple one) the world's were taken over, completely left in ruins or blown to pieces. I could be wrong of course because I haven't seen those eps for AGES now but I seem to remember that those universe weren't looking so good. I know this one wasn't brilliant but it wasn't completely left for dead, was it?

Interestingly, when they destroyed the Quantum Mirror I thought we'd never get to cross over into another AU, and now we can! YAY, because I love those kind of stories, where everything is the same yet different and we can see what it would be like or where it could go now.

Wendy
Hugs :)

Actually in "POV" S3 Samantha O'Neill managed to contact the Asguards that dealt with Apophis

Solanalos
January 24th, 2007, 08:44 AM
Was anyone else wishing they were going to show Pendergast? No surprise that the Prometheus wasn't destroyed, they probably never would have gone to bother with the satellite weapon or if they did I wouldn't be surprised if they all had beacon implants already.

Also, brilliant showing Hammond at the beginning, I was so shocked I didn't notice David Hewlitt's name in the guest credits :D

Solanalos
January 24th, 2007, 09:02 AM
me too! I thought for sure she'd want to see Vala. but alas, can't have everything we want. the hug was sooooooooooo cute though.

off to write fan fic I guess!

Meh, I'm glad she didn't. For all we know that Vala has been in the cell in Area 51 ever since trying to steal the Prometheus. Wouldn't surprise me for that alternative universe. After all, Avalon somehow happened without Cam, I can imagine it could have happened without Vala as well.

Adamus
January 24th, 2007, 09:43 AM
I do wonder what the ratings will be like? Hmmm, will sci-fi be smashing their heads against the proverbial brick wall. ;) I hope so.



proverbial it will be the literal when its released in the states

m_wendy_r
January 24th, 2007, 09:45 AM
Actually in "POV" S3 Samantha O'Neill managed to contact the Asguards that dealt with Apophis

Oh, right, yeah, I remember now. Okay, but that's also where the world was almost conquered by the Goa'uld and they would have had damage from that yeah?

I was also suddenly thinking about that bit in this episode where they use the pain sticks on the protestor. That kinda freaked me out a little that they would use a torture device from a race of beings they opposed to keep citizens of America/World in-line.

Wendy
Hugs :)

m_wendy_r
January 24th, 2007, 09:47 AM
proverbial it will be the literal when its released in the states

Ha, yes! The wall will become very real to them, especially since they've definitely given the show up for good now; they can't go back!

Wendy
Hugs :)

mattbuck
January 24th, 2007, 09:57 AM
It's weird. It was an interesting episode, but also it left me feeling a bit... shortchanged. I feel that it would have been better as a two-parter, the ending in particular was VERY sudden, and I thought that there were several things that could have been gone into with a LOT more detail. The fact that there was no media reaction... does the US government control the internet in that reality?

Calhoun
January 24th, 2007, 10:12 AM
Also, brilliant showing Hammond at the beginning, I was so shocked I didn't notice David Hewlitt's name in the guest credits :D

David Hewlett was in the credits?! I never noticed... I guess I was too busy being shocked by Hammond's appearance!

Other than Sam's too abrupt return to our reality, I thought this was a really good episode. I like how the writers used an AU to showcase the slippery slope of a corrupt government... not necessarily bad-mouthing the Bush administration, but just showing how easily it could happen.

markaudette
January 24th, 2007, 11:00 AM
Like everyone else, I was so deliciously shocked when Don S. Davis popped up. My God, is it so very wonderful to see Hammond again! I really miss Mr. Davis on the show. Hey since half of SG-1 will be guest starring on Atlantis from time to time, why not make General Hammond an occasional guest star as well? Although, if it were up to me, I'd make Don S. Davis THE commanding officer of Atlantis. I love his character and the actor himself that much. Although I am sure Hammond's grand daughters would have a slight disagreement with my casting. And everyone knows that when you put your grandchildren on the speedial slot ABOVE the President of the United States, grandchildren override everything. So I'm overruled there! :)

And Samantha - MEOW!

I am quite pleased over the fact that President Landry just gave up, saw logic and just released Samantha rather than go further down a dark path and... you know. It was nice to not see Samantha have to hatch this far-out over the top plan to steal Merlin's device in order to bust her way out of that universe, alternate reality ....WHATEVER!

I always so dearly enjoy seing the human elements of the characters. It's nice to see that they didn't go for all geek-speak and high brained techno plot this time around. This would have been a very appropriate episode to again revisit in the future. And sadly that won't happen. But it WOULD make a good plot for a SG-1 novel.

senordingdong
January 24th, 2007, 11:16 AM
The Irish Prime Minister....puke.

This was a pretty poorly thrown together episode.

Pitry
January 24th, 2007, 11:33 AM
Excellent episode!

Let's get out first what didn't - almost no Teal'c and Vala, very little Cameron. It worked brillian as it were, but I wish they could have found a place for Teal'c and Vala in the AU, as well.

And here endth the list. ;)

Loved Amanda Tapping - she was excellent in this one, in a way a lot better than Line in the Sand, which I loved as well. Playing hurt and in pain can be tough - but it needs quite a differnet skill to carry out the kind of emotion played out in this episode, to the right capacity, and do it well. And she completely pulled it off.

Cough - so, the USAF is bombing villages at ther equest of their prime ministers because they harbour terrorists?... Gee, I wonder in what reality that happens ;) Yes, the subtility is worthy of Rodney McKay - but it worked so well - for me, at least, as I really enjoy that part of science fiction.

Speaking of Rodney - I didn't know he was going to be in this episode! And Lorne! And Hammond Hammond yay! :D sorry, had to get that out of my system. I loved this version of Rodney much ebtter than McKay and Mrs Miller's Rod. "Oh, you're making this up" - cracked me up. As did the lesbian line, yes. Lorne as leader of SG1.... that cracked me up as well. You know,t his entier episode made me wonder if AM has been reading this forum's anti season 9/10 thread, cough.
Loved Landry as president. It could have been a very two dimensional, right versus wrong role. But reality is always much greyer than that, and I think it was in part his portrayel of President Landry that allowed this to exist. At teh ebginning I was somewhat sorry they didn't bring Kinsey to the ever-going joke of him as president - but I'm glad they didn't; he's too much the antagonist. The metaphoer would have had the depth of a shoe-lace had it been Kinsey, because we all know he's eeeeeeevil.

Really oved the extra touch of Sam, when needing an ally who would understand in the AU SGC, asking first for Daniel. No, they didn't get to interact a lot this season - but it's little things like that that remind you of how close friends they are.
Speaking of Daniel... sorry to bring up the episode order yet again, but this episode really felt like it should be before Line in the Sand, not after. The mentions of Daniel at the ebginning and end of the episodehow long he's been missing.... the fact she's still experimenting with Merling's device - all points to me this is supposed to be right after Quest, not Line in the Sand. Oh, I guess we'll know when the DVD comes out.
Hopefully.

Loved lvoed loved the bit about teh team talking to themselves for two weeks trying to keep Sam company. It's a bit of a shame we didn't get to see hat - it could have been quite the character revealing moments, sitting their, talking to thin air about anything and everything - kind of a shame. It could have been the perfect way to keep the story going the exact way they did it, with Vala in jail, Mitchell an out cast and Teal'c havng broken ties with Earth - and still keep them in the episode. Seeing them sitting alone, talking about their true feelings.
Loevd the hug Vala gave Sam at the end. Loved Sam's face when she did. Sam's got the loveliest reactions to Vala, sort of a similar exasperation Teal'c's had for Mitchell in season 9.. it's really cute. :D

Outcast Mitchell. That was a nice touch. Ugly wig, but nice touch. I really enjyoed seeing the other side of him - and it makes you wonder, in this situation with the Orii and how Cameron's gone all sobered up after Flesh and Blood, if somewhere he has that side too, and if it wasn;t for SG1, much like he told Landry in Uninvited, he would have ended up similar to that Mitchell. Speaking of the AU team members, I kind of wonder how they didn't end up speaing up against everything. I don't think they're necessarily different - much like black SG1 in Ripple Efect wasn't, or the SGA members in There But For the Grace of Gods. It could be actually the most subtle warning of the episode - how while you're a part of it, you might be so caught up in your own justification of your actions you fail on seeing what's actually been done. Well, even if AM didn't mean that, I'd go for it.
Sidenote - LOL for firesticks being used on protestors. ;)

All in all... great, excellent, and god, it's a shame they've cancelled this show. :(
Can't wait for next week.
Seriously.
Really.
Please?
;)

ForeverSg1
January 24th, 2007, 11:39 AM
The Irish Prime Minister....puke.

This was a pretty poorly thrown together episode.


I know this tends to be a sore spot for many people. It's really bad form not to thoroughly look up details such as these; however, because it's an AU there is always a small chance that he/she is called the Prime Minister in this particular universe. In this AU the United States is under a dictatorship and after the Stargate became public, I'm sure there was civil unrest all over the world, not just the US. Therefore, it is quite possible that this change could have happened as well.

Shrug,
Kat

ussrelativity
January 24th, 2007, 12:10 PM
Since the new episodes are also shown in HD, are there any screencaps in 1280x720 (or even 1920x1080)?

fellip_nectar
January 24th, 2007, 12:43 PM
I'm plodding this over in my head - I think the eps do have to run this way - how else would Sam have known what Ori weapons fire would have looked like as it passed through them had she not experienced it in Line in the Sand? I believe this is the correct ordering of eps.

Also, when Carter demonstrated the phase-shifting technology to Hammond at the SGC, she stated that based on research in her own reality, the device was "100% Ori-proof".

BTW, I just *knew* Vala would be on eBay. :D

golfbooy
January 24th, 2007, 12:49 PM
Ha, ha, I return, accompanied on my right by the voice of absolute truth and on my left by the voice of intelligent reason. Upon my rear, naturally, prodding me forward, is the voice of fantastic buffoonery. For expediency's sake, I've destroyed my opening paragraph in a fit of slung-leg rage (see Michelangelo, pieta). It had a bit of Robert Frost in there, it was well written. But I didn't like it. So it's gone. C'est la vie.

It's sad, really. I swear there must have been more thought and planning put into the script for The Road Not Taken than got put into the whole of season nine. It wasn't a perfect episode by any means; it wasn't even SG-1's best attempt at an alternate reality episode. It was, however, thoughtful. A great deal of effort went into the creation and production of this world that so easily could be ours. The writers were able to include enough little touches to really make this alternate reality stand out, they were able to play with their universe in a way that gave this episode's Earth its own texture. This is how alternate reality episodes are supposed to work. They're supposed to be intriguing, they're supposed to make you think about the decisions the characters make every week and how those decisions affect the entire world; the differences found in alternate realities are supposed to shock the viewer, to take him/her out of their comfort zone with the show and characters, and to make them nostalgic and grateful that the characters normally inhabit the reality they do, and not the one they're visiting. Alternate reality episodes aren't supposed to make one want to gouge out their eyeballs or utter incantations and curses upon the lot at Bridge Studios, as Ripple Effect most assuredly did.

In many ways, I think The Road Not Taken turned out much how TPTB originally intended season eight's Covenenant to look. By that I mean that it's a concept episode, one based upon an idea and not a plot. There are no villains, there is no action, and the crux of the story is in the presentation of events and circumstances. The conflict exists moreso in the character's (and the viewer's) mind rather than in their actions or the events taking place. In that respect, I think The Road Not Taken is a huge success. The viewer comes away not thinking about Sam Carter's trip to this reality and what she did there, but rather about the reality itself and just how easily our SG-1 and our Earth could have turned out differently. The reasoning and circumstances around those differences are well grounded in past events, such as SG-1's not finding Atlantis, Teal'c's exiting of the SGC, Cam's paralysis, and Earth's cutting ties to its off-world allies. This story lends weight to all of these past events, which is something SG-1 has always been especially good at. Here it again pays off in spades.

Carter's entrance into the alternate reality was handled in a nice, workmanlike manner. Sure, it's a lot of technobabble to suck in at once, but it really is necessary. Without it, the beginning of the story would be without logic. You know, like the resolution was. As much as I liked this episode, Alan McCullough still sucks something fierce at writing a believable resolution to conflict. Apparently he's now taken a page out of Joe Mallozzi's book and, a la Morpheus, decided not to even bother trying to believably resolve the problem of returning Sam to her own reality. Honestly, I know how strapped for time the writers are anymore when it comes to writing SG-1 stories. It's one of the reasons why I'm so relieved that SG-1 is moving on into a longer, two-hour format. But just because it's difficult doesn't mean it can be left out. The Road Not Taken fizzles at the end. And it didn't need to.

As I've said above, though, it was the little intricacies of this alternate reality that really made the episode. Lorne being in command of SG-1 worked so well it's scary. Cameron Mitchell has really failed to work for me, so seeing Lorne as a member of an SG team really made me wish that the producers had given him a place on SG-1. I think he would have worked out great. I understand why Landry had to be the President, but I think it would have really put this episode over the top if William Devane could have been in it. He sold the character of Henry Hayes so very well in Lost City that seeing a somewhat desperate and morally compromised President Hayes would have been a real treat. It would have made this particular reality even cooler. Having Carter married to Mckay was perhaps amusing for some, but I found it mostly useless. As a viewer, I'm just worn out with the myopic Carter/Mckay focus of the writers.

The events of the Ori attack were expertly portrayed, and there was real tension and interest in watching the characters defend Earth. Even the immdiate aftermath where Carter is thrown into the spotlight is good. Given the situation Carter was in, it did make sense for her to seek out Mckay and to use his resources to help herself get home. It made less sense, though, for her to seek out Cameron. That scene just felt tacked on to me, and rather out of place given Mitchell's inability to do anything to help Sam. Why not have Mitchell be the guy who showed up at the function and get taken down? At least then I can see Sam becoming interested in what's going on. Still, the cool fight scene where Sam gets zatted played so well that I'm willing to forgive the lack of coherence that Cam's scene had with the rest of the episode.

Including Julia Donovan again was another nice bit, as was Carter's speech to the nation. And, frankly, I miss Don Davis more than I ever thought I would. Hammond really set the bar high for providing a stable, grounding presence at the SGC. He set it so high, in fact, that no one else has really been able to live up to the standard he created. Landry looks like he's getting by most of the time, except when Hammond appears and you remember just how easy it used to be for the leadership of the SGC to look extremely competent. Weir's leadership over on Atlantis is also a sad shadow of Hammond's efficiency. Jack O'neill was intended to be a different kind of General, and in that respect he worked. But Hammond is the rock that the writers built the SGC upon. I'd have liked to see Hammond figure more into the resolution of the story.

Hey, did anyone see what I did there in that last paragraph? When I was thinking about previous characters and leaders at the SGC, I mentioned Jack O'neill. Now, tell me, why is it that the writers didn't? Even given the nonexistent resolution for this episode, by far the biggest black mark against it is the writers' continued attempts to pretend that Jack O'neill doesn't exist. It made absolutely no sense at all for Sam not to at least ask about Jack. Given the fact that there is actually a scene where Sam does ask about almost everyone else ever, the fact that Jack is ignored is even more heinous. Cripes, just say he died after using the antarctic chair to defend Earth. Say he died in the riots after the program was made public. Say he committed suicide after his son died. Have the characters say "Jack who?". But to act like he's a nonentity, to act like Sam wouldn't seek out Jack O'neill for help when no one else at the SGC will hear her is so assine that it jars viewers right out of the episode. I know the writers don't want to hear it, but even after 30-some episodes without him, Jack O'neill is still the biggest, most identifiable Stargate character there is. You can't act like he doesn't exist. All of this is, of course, exacerbated even further by the craptacular wasting of Richard Dean Anderson's five guest appearances. Really, he would have fit so well into this episode that it boggles the mind that he was shoehorned into Atlantis' The Real World, something about which Richard Dean Anderson himself has actually complained. Hell, he was even playing an alternate/unreal Jack O'neill in that one. The misuse of his time is so grotesque it's revolting.

The editing for this episode is a bit choppy, too. The scene transitions are far from seamless. And it looks like the episode was probably shot second unit and by a number of different directors. But The Road Not Taken is some damn good filler. You don't have to make an episode expensive and totally blow a budget just to have an interesting story. More of these would serve SG-1 well, and it would be nice for Atlantis to try an episode like this, almost totally sans CGI.

This was a Carter episode. And Amanda Tapping gives a solid performance two weeks in a row. Sam had a lot to react to here, and Tapping does a good job of making Sam feel out of place in the alternate reality. There's a sense of discomfort even after she has supposedly come to terms with her situation. We get to see Sam's mortification at her alternate self's having been married to Rodney, her shock and reluctance to being paraded about as Earth's savior, her strength and steely resolve during the interview scene, and even a great bit contentment at being back home. Chris Judge delivers the best line in the episode with his Siler reference. I swear, SG-1 needs more Siler. And, while it was almost certainly an addition by the two actresses, the Sam and Vala hug at the end puts a nice cap on the episode, and does more to include Vala as a part of Sam's life than the seemingly endless buddy scenes she and Cameron have shared this year.

One of the reasons that SG-1 has run so long is the amazing bit of luck it had during its initial casting. Aside from the bankable starpower of Richard Dean Anderson, it turned out the Amanda Tapping, Michael Shanks, and Chris Judge were all so good a playing their roles that any one of the four principal actors were capable of single-handedly carrying their own episodes once or twice a year. For eight seasons Jack, Sam, Teal'c, and Daniel each got a couple of huge character episodes all to themselves every single season. That left the writers three or four concept episodes that they could write, and seven or eight big plot episodes to do. By varying that mixture of episodes throughout a year, the writers were able to keep each season from feeling like it dragged on or petered out. Stargate's new structure of plot, action, plot, plot, plot, inappropriate humor, plot, etc., doesn't give the show any depth. Things seem to be better in this last half of season ten. Teal'c still desperately needs some serious attention, but otherwise I'd say that the last three episodes are the most promising series since Anderson left the show. But it's obviously too little too late. And it's a bit sad that it took the writers so long to get back to using all the characters in interesting ways.

The Shroud is next week. Woot!

Trialia
January 24th, 2007, 01:08 PM
Also, when Carter demonstrated the phase-shifting technology to Hammond at the SGC, she stated that based on research in her own reality, the device was "100% Ori-proof".

BTW, I just *knew* Vala would be on eBay. :D
Reminds me of Jonas a little. :D Except a naughtier, female version. :P

scarimor
January 24th, 2007, 01:42 PM
... Speaking of the AU team members, I kind of wonder how they didn't end up speaing up against everything. I don't think they're necessarily different - much like black SG1 in Ripple Efect wasn't, or the SGA members in There But For the Grace of Gods.
That's something that struck me too. In this alternative reality, Air Force officers like alt-Hammond, alt-Lorne and alt-Carter are obviously working for their military commanders, obeying orders in a USA of martial law. Only alt-Mitchell "called them on it", using his position as the president's media hero to object, and paying the price, just as our Carter resolved to do. Most surprising, though, is that Daniel in this universe is with the SGC (and like our's, recently captured by the Ori). Alt-Daniel the civilian is going along with all this too!

And given how different our Daniel is to his earlier self, I can believe it.

BJX
January 24th, 2007, 02:19 PM
The Irish Prime Minister....puke.


There's nothing wrong with that at all. The word Taoiseach means Prime Minister and considering Americans don't speak Irish, they speak English, it was correct to say Prime Minister rather then Taoiseach.

Had they said President, then you could bring a case against them. And considering Alan McCullough is most certainly of Irish descent, I'd be will to bet he knows a thing or two about Ireland.

acce
January 24th, 2007, 02:41 PM
The Episode was nice, but I felt like it should have been a one hour not 42 min! They should have developed more when Sam tries to get back to her own reality!

Anyway Good EP!

ReganX
January 24th, 2007, 02:53 PM
There's nothing wrong with that at all. The word Taoiseach means Prime Minister and considering Americans don't speak Irish, they speak English, it was correct to say Prime Minister rather then Taoiseach.

Had they said President, then you could bring a case against them. And considering Alan McCullough is most certainly of Irish descent, I'd be will to bet he knows a thing or two about Ireland.

Actually, it means "leader" or "chief".

BJX
January 24th, 2007, 02:59 PM
Actually, it means "leader" or "chief".

Depends upon the context and that's the problem with translating an Irish word into English. I presume you are Irish so you know that a single word in Irish can have so many completely different meanings. Our govermental structure is exactly the same as Britains so an English speaking person is absolutely correct to say Prime Minister.

Racingtime
January 24th, 2007, 03:18 PM
Having Carter married to Mckay was perhaps amusing for some, but I found it mostly useless. As a viewer, I'm just worn out with the myopic Carter/Mckay focus of the writers.

While I'm not really a Carter/McKay shipper or anything, I will say that I thought it was great this AU had them together. Divorced sure but I at least got the impression that they really were still friends and McKay was definitely broken up that his Sam was dead. But mainly the reason I found it great to see is that they've talked over and over about how there are infinite possibilities out there with each AU. From this I got the impression that every pairing imaginable could be together in some AU out there (meaning there could be Jack/Sam, Jack/Daniel, Jack/Sarah, Jack/Teal'c, Daniel/Teal'c, Daniel/Mitchell, Daniel/Sha're, Daniel/Sam, Sam/Mitchell, Sam/Janet, Sam/McKay, etc). Plus of course the universes where the characters remain single but still hang out together and think of each other as family which is how I like to think of our team in our reality. It's just not believable to me that the same people would end up together in each reality. Yet in the few AUs we've been in, we've only been given the chance to see Jack/Sam together so I liked that they finally showed an AU that had a completely different pairing given attention to.

Pitry
January 24th, 2007, 03:25 PM
That's something that struck me too. In this alternative reality, Air Force officers like alt-Hammond, alt-Lorne and alt-Carter are obviously working for their military commanders, obeying orders in a USA of martial law. Only alt-Mitchell "called them on it", using his position as the president's media hero to object, and paying the price, just as our Carter resolved to do. Most surprising, though, is that Daniel in this universe is with the SGC (and like our's, recently captured by the Ori). Alt-Daniel the civilian is going along with all this too!

And given how different our Daniel is to his earlier self, I can believe it.

I'm kind of reminded of what Sam says in Heroes to bregman, about seeing how the world is and wanting to scream, all teh pettiness comparing to the real war out there - and both ehr and Daniel speaking out against the Stargate programme going public. No, I think it's a continuation of that exact setiment - being so much on the inside, they can't see outside the box. Beign so caught up with defending the world, they don't see how bad it's become in that world itself.

Which is kind of why I like this scenario. Much liek baclk SG1, I can see them - all of them, including Daniel of earlier seasons - ending up like this. They haven't because theirs is the saner world, the better world. But had it been a choice between defending Earth from an undefetable threat and calling it quits because they disagree with the political decisions... No, as Goolfboy mentioned Covenant, as Sam says in heroes, and in several other episodes that deal with the political fallout, They'd go with playing by the rules and defending Earth, no matter how unhappy they are with the way thigns came out. All of them.

Suzotchka
January 24th, 2007, 03:40 PM
Okay, I have to say that I enjoyed this episode as well. WOW! That's 2 episodes of SG-1 that I actually liked in the last two years!

I liked how Sam finally got more than 2 minutes of screen time. Finally! :sam:

Poor, Sam. Even in an alternate universe TPTB can't make her Leader of SG-1.

And I have to say, that in *any* alternate universe, there is no way Sam would marry McKay! LOL

Landry as President? ROTFL! I don't even like him in charge of Stargate Command. There's no way I'd vote for him.

Overall, like I said, one of the best ones this season.

Lightbane
January 24th, 2007, 03:51 PM
Interesting AU ships they brought up in there, Sam/Lorne and Sam/Mckay <-- LOL Sam and Mckay actually got married lol

President Landry was acting all V for Vendetta leader guy whos subverting the media and subverting the democracy inot a despotic police state heh hes way better as General of SGC though, the cloaking of earth was really cool hehe

And i do agree the ending was rushed but they did end up running out of time in the episode

The Ori
January 24th, 2007, 04:01 PM
Sam was lookin kinda hot!

Oka
January 24th, 2007, 04:13 PM
Not a big fan of alternate reality stories but this episode was pretty good. It was nice to see General Hammond again. Interesting plot too, the analogy between the Ori threat and the current war on terror was pretty obvious but it didn't bother me that much. The ending was definitely rushed and since SG-1 is canceled I doubt we'll ever know what happened the alternate reality earth.

Anjirika
January 24th, 2007, 04:50 PM
Wow.... what an OMG, This is such an amazing episode, hanging onto every word, waiting with baited breath kinda Jaw-dropping, awe-inspring, breathtaking-wow kinda episode.

I loved it!
Loved Hammond!
Loved Lorne (I swear he had a crush on Sam)!
Loved the Cam/Sam interaction!
Loved Sam going all rouge!
Loved Sam and McKay being married and divorced!
Loved how Mckay knew that Sam was lying- but she really wasn't!
Loved the Sam/Vala hug at the end!
Hated how Earth was so...icky- but that was the point wasn't it?


9/10

It would have gotten a 10/10 if we had actually seen Vala in the other reality...because my heart totally went out to Cam!

All in all... I wish that they could write that well for Atlantis!

jonno
January 24th, 2007, 06:03 PM
Liked lots :D

Well - the ending was shoddy ... the ep felt 10 minutes short.

Apart from that - liked the bravery at which they showed an America as a dictatorship. I never expected they'd show something like that - very dark. Very topical. Thinking about it - that could well be the reaction of the world to the revelation of the Stargate programme. But, it's still not where i expected Stargate to go - though far more interesting this way. I really want to go back to that world in a year or two,to see if Rodney succeded. Pity then there's not another season.

Loved Hammond. Just felt so natural for him in his regular role again. He slipped in so well you almost didn't notice he'd been away. Liked bringing Lorne in ... it was fresh to have a lack of the normal team. Also - was it me, or was alt!Lee less of a bumbling idiot? Or rather, that's how he's been written recently (for me). Alt!Lee seemed like a real scientist - i much preferred him to normal. Oh yeah - nice to see Prommie again. McKay - always fun. Dark alt!Cam, having a brief appearance helped give the overall impression that this is not a happy world.

Sam - very good. They finally remebered in these last 3 episodes that Carter does in fact still exist! Really refreshing to have two stories in a row not revolving around Vaniel and Cam. Hope Teal'c gets one too soon.

I feel sorry for Siler. He really is a sucker for punishment :p

rnwhocares
January 24th, 2007, 06:27 PM
Don't be silly... Sky don't actually advertise Stargate! Pfft! And to show a preview for next week's ep?.. are you insane?!! ;)
I live in America.. We ALWAYS have coming attractions!!!

Franklyn Blaze
January 24th, 2007, 06:34 PM
Loved it. Was a good solid ep from start to finish. Sam was great, I don't think I've seen more pure (good) dialogue in any other episode. It was good to see Sam really act. I really felt sympathy for her situation and the situation of earth, very cool.

They cloaked earth? wow I didn't think they could. Now will they use the tech for the real earth?

AlphaBlu
January 24th, 2007, 06:38 PM
That was great fun. I was surprised when Lorne walked in as the CO of SG-1, and I thought that was cool. Then he walks into the control room and Hammond is there! I cheered at that. Then I saw David Hewlett in the credits, and cheered again.

It was just a lot of fun. Wrapped up a little too quickly, but veyr nice over-all.

My only beef. They say Vala was in a holding cell at Area 51. How did they meet Vala? Our Daniel met Vala on the way to Atlantis. If they haven't discovered Atlantis, how did they meet her?

BYE

Gwin
January 24th, 2007, 06:54 PM
I guess that Vala simply did a coup at another place with earth soldiers/ships being involved. She got around a lot.
But that must have been as in Carter's realitity one hell of a coup that Lorne remembered her instantly.

Quinn Mallory
January 24th, 2007, 07:02 PM
Awesome episode. I never get tired of the parallel universe episodes.

Great to see they finally deal with the implications of making Stargate public. Lots of good Sam moments and a great team moment at the end.

Good to see the good old General Hammond back and love how he and President Landry are still honorable at heart despite the situation.

Easily one of the best episode of the season if not the series.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 24th, 2007, 07:09 PM
Just got done watching the episode. I had no idea what was going to go on in this episode (I guess I feel like those Spoiler-Free people). That hair do on Cam reminded me of that hair do that Daniel had in Season 8 (the hair that had with flashbacks back to the first 3 seasons of SG-1, see Citizen Joe and Moebius for references). I was glad Hammond was in the episode, and McKay's glasses were interesting and weird.

Damn, did Sam look hot in this episode, those dresses, ooohhh. I give it (the episode) a **.

Can't wait for The Shroud, next week.

majorsal
January 24th, 2007, 07:26 PM
edit : I'll add to this by saying the alt-sam killed herself in her project and the real sam said she could probably could not complete the project that alt-sam died in.

do we know for sure that the altsam died? i mean, did our sam and company SEE that altsam died? *hopes she was just dispelled to another universe. (((altsam)))*




sally :)

DigiFluid
January 24th, 2007, 07:32 PM
I really enjoyed this episode a lot.

I never really enjoyed There But For The Grace of God, but this really struck me as TBFTGOG done right. It was well written, paced, and acted throughout. It was also really nice to see McKay being a good character for once. I won't start on how bitter I am about certain SGA cast members being cut while the annoying-as-fark Rodney gets to stay, but the McKay we saw in this episode was actually likeable. Seeing Hammond and Lorne was a delightful surprise for me too.

My only real beef with the episode is that I found it ended rather abruptly.

Nice to see they're worrying about Daniel still. Very nice.

majorsal
January 24th, 2007, 07:33 PM
Did anyone wonder where Jack was? I would have thought Carter would have asked when she was going through everyone else.

me too. :( ~as a shipper and jack/rda fan~




sally :jack_new15:

andrewag
January 24th, 2007, 07:54 PM
I loved this episode! Hammond was back, Rodney, Sam. Cool story.

Good episode. I really enjoyed it.

travis
January 24th, 2007, 08:01 PM
Not bad ep. Was so good until they cloaked the planet after that it just went down hill for me. I was hoping sam will get back to her reality sooner. Would love to have seen Vala in a cell at area 51. The ending was just beautiful.

Dromag67
January 24th, 2007, 08:44 PM
No one on the show complained about it. We complained about it and even then (and now), people defended her about it. And that was her one screw-up throughout 10 years.

So what you want is the character to be punished for making a big mistake on screen?

Ok dokies then....

Mandysg1
January 24th, 2007, 09:25 PM
I just saw the episode and thought it was great. I loved seeing Hammond again, and how dealing with the problems of their reality has changed him. Finally Beau got something he really cut his teeth on :) To see how the situation has turned him into something akin to Daniel's role in Absolute Power. I thought Amanda was great in how Sam dealt with all the AU characters, her interactions with McKay were cute, how she lied to him, and he would just know she did. I liked how her deep beleifs in the rights of the poeple played into the episode, and how she got to kick some butt :D The ending was a little rushed, but I liked how her team stuck by her in that empty room :)

All in all I give it a 9/10

the fifth man
January 24th, 2007, 09:29 PM
I really can't wait to see this episode. It really sounds like it was another great one. The wait is going to be torture.:(

Mandysg1
January 24th, 2007, 09:43 PM
I really can't wait to see this episode. It really sounds like it was another great one. The wait is going to be torture.:(

Do find yourself feeling like Teal'c right about now ;)

the fifth man
January 24th, 2007, 09:52 PM
Do find yourself feeling like Teal'c right about now ;)

Just a little bit. Sci-Fi Channel loves to use the pain stick.;)

Mitchell82
January 24th, 2007, 10:33 PM
Just a little bit. Sci-Fi Channel loves to use the pain stick.;)

To be honest yes they do and that was the one part I hate in this ep when the secret service used that against the protester. Still love the ep and really loved the Rod/Sam scenes.

Madeleine
January 24th, 2007, 10:53 PM
Lorne looks cuter than ever! Yay Lorne!

Unfortunately, just as I predicted, Sam does nothing wrong. Both Sams did brilliant things. One Sam managed to do what two McKays couldn't and the other Sam saved and entire alternate reality (and now they can cloak our Earth, but there will no doubt be complications which won't be Sam's fault).


Alt Sam topped herself and a colleague. I don't think that counts as terribly brilliant. Although you're right that two McKay's didn't do that :p

Our Sam merely recreated the thing she did last week on a bigger scale, courtesy of Lee and Landry providing the power, and you're probably right that she did nothing wrong. But why *should* she do anything wrong? She's one of The Good Guys; she's in her job (and on the show) cos she's pretty good at what she does even when what she's doing is impossible. That's the whole point of her. :)

Franklyn Blaze
January 24th, 2007, 11:01 PM
I didn't think they touched enough on the thought that Sam killed herself. There was no saddness, no grief at all. Everyone was like "Eh we got a new one and shes a colonel even! Yay for us!"

Madeleine
January 24th, 2007, 11:03 PM
While I'm not really a Carter/McKay shipper or anything, I will say that I thought it was great this AU had them together.

Me too, it was so totally unexpected. And totally implausible at first - like Sam would ever marry HIM! - but once we met him it made sense. He was more self-aware than our Rodney and it made him less petty. He didn't see every conversation as a contest. Our McKay definitely needs to win every conversation and if he doesn't he switches to whine mode.

I love our McKay, I'm just really admiring of the writer and actor for making him the same and yet so different in this ep.

Madeleine
January 24th, 2007, 11:05 PM
I didn't think they touched enough on the thought that Sam killed herself. There was no saddness, no grief at all. Everyone was like "Eh we got a new one and shes a colonel even! Yay for us!"

I wonder if that was deliberate. It might have been a way of underlining that this AU was rather more pragmatical than might be a good thing...

Or perhaps the writers just forgot :o.

Franklyn Blaze
January 24th, 2007, 11:15 PM
These days anything is possible. :D

L.A. Doyle
January 25th, 2007, 12:18 AM
I love our McKay, I'm just really admiring of the writer and actor for making him the same and yet so different in this ep.

I've found Amanda is great at this as well. Can't wait to see DH in this ep. :mckayanime22:

scarimor
January 25th, 2007, 01:12 AM
do we know for sure that the altsam died? i mean, did our sam and company SEE that altsam died? *hopes she was just dispelled to another universe. (((altsam)))*
Yes, it's made clear that the alt-Sam's experiment to draw tiny amounts of energy from many different universes caused an explosion when it encountered our Sam's phase-shifting experiment, killing her and pulling our Sam into that universe.


I didn't think they touched enough on the thought that Sam killed herself. There was no saddness, no grief at all. Everyone was like "Eh we got a new one and shes a colonel even! Yay for us!"


I wonder if that was deliberate. It might have been a way of underlining that this AU was rather more pragmatical than might be a good thing...
Given the way the military dictatorship dropped alt-Cam-the-hero for speaking out and left him to wither away, they don't seem to value their people. Both alt-Cam and alt-Sam would be considered valuable assets in our universe, as well as valuable as people. In the alternative universe, they're not even considered valuable as assets if they don't tow the line or can be replaced.

edit: something just struck me as amusing:- after 10 years of dutiful technobabble, Sam gets gagged not for that but for 'insurrectionist' protest and 'rabble-rousing'. Hee! :sam59: / :sam43:

Lightbane
January 25th, 2007, 03:06 AM
Wow.... what an OMG, This is such an amazing episode, hanging onto every word, waiting with baited breath kinda Jaw-dropping, awe-inspring, breathtaking-wow kinda episode.

I loved it!
Loved Hammond!
Loved Lorne (I swear he had a crush on Sam)!
Loved the Cam/Sam interaction!
Loved Sam going all rouge!
Loved Sam and McKay being married and divorced!
Loved how Mckay knew that Sam was lying- but she really wasn't!
Loved the Sam/Vala hug at the end!
Hated how Earth was so...icky- but that was the point wasn't it?


9/10

It would have gotten a 10/10 if we had actually seen Vala in the other reality...because my heart totally went out to Cam!

All in all... I wish that they could write that well for Atlantis!

oh yeah that most certainly sums up this awesome episode

Loved Lorne (I swear he had a crush on Sam)! <-- saw that lol

Loved Sam going all rouge! <-- that was so obviously gonna happen and it was very fun it watch most of this episode reminded me of the movie V for Vendetta when England's democratic elections are subverted and it becomes a police state lead by a nazi dude.

Loved the Sam/Vala hug at the end! <-- very funny lol Sam was like "... i missed you too..."

and for once Mckay wasn't half as annoying he usally is

9/10 if it wasn't for the shoddy rushed ending it would have been 10/10 maybe when the Season 10 box set comes out there will be a special extended edition of the episode like they did with Threads and Daniel in the Ascention Diner

The Shroud is gonna be so awesome

I wonder how they deal with it, just step out and say, "hi Daniel!" lol

Franklyn Blaze
January 25th, 2007, 03:36 AM
The ending might have gotten resolved faster than I might have hoped. But I'm willing to accept that with 42ish minutes of show more plot is shown while having minimal conclusion.
Still, a few progress shots during the building the interdimensional gateway like what was done in the beginning of "Mckay and Mrs. Miller" would have been enough to satisfy me for a good ending.

BC - 303
January 25th, 2007, 04:17 AM
I live in America.. We ALWAYS have coming attractions!!!
In England, we dont have to wait until April.

Although am i the only one who wishes sky one would pay some attention to Stargate in the Advertising they do.

Regphorph
January 25th, 2007, 04:25 AM
Before watching i thought this ep would be a bit boring, but it turned out nice :sam: cloaking the entire earth was a good idea and i liked the differences they made to the fake world to make it interesting :sam59:

fellip_nectar
January 25th, 2007, 04:52 AM
My only beef. They say Vala was in a holding cell at Area 51. How did they meet Vala? Our Daniel met Vala on the way to Atlantis. If they haven't discovered Atlantis, how did they meet her?

Even though she would have not have encountered and stolen Prometheus, she may still have "acquired" the Ancient tablet detailing the location of Avalon (Earth) and come looking for it. In addition, she probably would still be on good terms with the Lucian Alliance, which could explain why they locked her up.

Adria
January 25th, 2007, 07:33 AM
i'm at school right now ...shhhhhhh

this was a good episode a little disappointed all the reviews made it sound like amazing episode.

feel bad for mitchell and of course daniel easy to explain away.

King Rocket
January 25th, 2007, 09:45 AM
Another Classic Episode:
Lorne as the leader of SG1, Brilliant!
Cam as a Bitter Vet, Awesome!
Carter in a dress? A Fan boys Dream!
Well done to the SG1 crew.

Mandysg1
January 25th, 2007, 10:38 AM
i'm at school right now ...shhhhhhh

this was a good episode a little disappointed all the reviews made it sound like amazing episode.

feel bad for mitchell and of course daniel easy to explain away.

Degrees of Good or Bad are all in the eye of the beholder ;)

Hypochondriac
January 25th, 2007, 11:29 AM
Will they be able to cloak earth? They needed 80% of the energy production of the entire AU U.S even with a nearly depleated ZPM.(The power output stays the same right? It's only the duration that changes?)

My guess it that they will use it to cloak ships when they attack the Ori. As someone mentioned Load a Nuke aboard a ship and drop it inside the enemys shields.

stewsith
January 25th, 2007, 11:48 AM
I just saw it again and did anyone else notice that when Sam is at the dinner party the tune on the piano is the SG1 theme. I thought that was a very cool touch.

senordingdong
January 25th, 2007, 11:48 AM
There's nothing wrong with that at all. The word Taoiseach means Prime Minister and considering Americans don't speak Irish, they speak English, it was correct to say Prime Minister rather then Taoiseach.
Taoiseach does not mean Prime Minister.
Names and titles don't change according to what language is being spoken.
It was not correct to say Prime Minister and if they were having difficulty pro-nouncing Taoiseach, then 'The Irish head of state' would have been appropriate. It was just a matter of ignorance.

And context has nothing to do with a anything, Taoiseach doesn't mean Prime Minister, in any context.

spaceangel
January 25th, 2007, 12:42 PM
That hair do on Cam reminded me of that hair do that Daniel had in Season 8 (the hair that had with flashbacks back to the first 3 seasons of SG-1, see Citizen Joe and Moebius for references).



I do so agree about the hair. I immediately thought that they must be saving money by using the same wig! LOL
I thought the episode as a whole was interesting but not gob-smacking. I am not a huge Sam fan so maybe that's why. Much better than some of the dross of past seasons though.

Sweetsong
January 25th, 2007, 12:45 PM
I give it a 9/10 and that is mainly for when Sam started kicking the butts of the secret service that were attempting to capture her. I thought for a minute she'd actually get away then she got zat gunned.

starmage
January 25th, 2007, 01:20 PM
Lorne!!!!!!!


I love SG1, but when you add Lorne I’m in heaven.

Thanks for the caps Stef, they are great:D


Good episode, it did feel a little rushed at the end, maybe a little more Lorne would have helped:D, but seriously, it did jump from how is she going to get home to wow! She done it.

I liked the fact it wasn’t an evil alternative, this is one option to what could happen when the Stargate goes public. How the public reacts to this information could determine what happens next.

But we know we can defend Earth, and that it could get nasty if/when the stargate program goes public.

Did anyone wonder where Jack was? I would have thought Carter would have asked when she was going through everyone else.


I liked the episode but I definetly wondered why Sam didn't ask about Jack. I found it strange that she didn't asked about him.
Other than that it was a good episode and I found it funny how the other Sam had been married to Rodney instead of Jack I was LOL when I heard that. :sam43:

scarimor
January 25th, 2007, 02:01 PM
Taoiseach does not mean Prime Minister.
Names and titles don't change according to what language is being spoken.
It was not correct to say Prime Minister and if they were having difficulty pro-nouncing Taoiseach, then 'The Irish head of state' would have been appropriate. It was just a matter of ignorance.
Oh, I thought the President was the 'Irish head of state'. So it's the Taoiseach? :S

btw, on the subject of the Irish "village" - I don't really get the suggestion earlier in the thread that this is quaint or patronising. E.g., If it had been an English "village" rather than "town" or "city" it wouldn't have struck me as incongruous - we do have a heck of a lot of villages :)

Trialia
January 25th, 2007, 02:08 PM
btw, on the subject of the Irish "village" - I don't really get the suggestion earlier in the thread that this is quaint or patronising. E.g., If it had been an English "village" rather than "town" or "city" it wouldn't have struck me as incongruous - we do have a heck of a lot of villages :)
I completely agree, Scari. I live in a village and I wouldn't have thought that implication was offensive :S

ReganX
January 25th, 2007, 02:25 PM
Oh, I thought the President was the 'Irish head of state'. So it's the Taoiseach? :S

Yes, the President's role is mostly ceremonial. It's the Taoiseach who gets to nominate the Tánaiste, the other members of government, eleven of the members of the Seanad and the Attorney General.