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January 8th, 2007, 10:53 AM
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SG-1 tries to defend a planet from the Ori by hiding its people in another dimension. Vala attempts to convince her husband Tomin of the Ori's true motives.

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Madeleine
January 16th, 2007, 12:48 PM
So... was this supposed to air after The Quest, or did Sky get it wrong? Daniel was missing but barely mentioned, Sam seems to have made a new gizmo out of a device she had last year... I'm confused, LitS sort of fits in now but it sort of doesn't.

MasterPower
January 16th, 2007, 12:50 PM
So... was this supposed to air after The Quest, or did Sky get it wrong? Daniel was missing but barely mentioned, Sam seems to have made a new gizmo out of a device she had last year... I'm confused, LitS sort of fits in now but it sort of doesn't.

Nope, they got it right. That was the next episode in order.

kirmit
January 16th, 2007, 01:01 PM
I really liked this episode, good to see even more of the ori warriors and more of their technology, Tomin was a big shock, didn't expect to see him again. His disagreement with the prior was good and his sacrifice for Vala.

immhotep
January 16th, 2007, 01:04 PM
I really liked this episode. It was a little predictable, the ending especially. But there were some great gadget moments, like when the ori fighter dropped the Rings, and the Merlin phase shifter.
Also good character development. sam's injury made an impact, she hasnt been that hurt since S7, her and cam being trapped was great aswell. Im surprised they didnt mention daniel enough but im sure were going to find out about him next week, im fine with it personally because this was a great episode all round. tomin was ok, i dont liek that guy, as an enemy/friend character he lacks the quality of someone like braytak but he had a good speach with the Prior so credit goes to him.
The prior failing to shut it down was fun to watch lol, im surprised they didnt use sodan cloaks as a backup , they could have moved about and defneded the village better and got to the gate.
Solid episode, a little predicable but no real bad points. At least we have something that definitly doesnt affect them. I wonder if we could ZPM it and Phase Earth or the Oddesey, in fact im sure the Oddesey will have it by the end of this season, vala or cam mentioned it in the briefing or something..

skydragon786
January 16th, 2007, 01:04 PM
This HAS to be after Quest part 2 because of the fact Cam mentions losing Daniel.

Overall, in my opinion, the best episode of season 10 so far. Showed who the Orii are, and I loved the philosophical undertone to the episode (The misinterpretation that can take place in regards to verses in holy books to justify mass murder)

All of this together made for a very compelling and interesting episode.

Unamed
January 16th, 2007, 01:04 PM
I really liked this episode, good to see even more of the ori warriors and more of their technology, Tomin was a big shock, didn't expect to see him again. His disagreement with the prior was good and his sacrifice for Vala.

i really liked it too, i like that were getting to see more battles with the ori warriers

TheWarrior
January 16th, 2007, 01:04 PM
Overall a good episode - we wait for ages for a ground battle with the Ori, and we get two in a row.

Good use of a previously seen Merlin technology, and I had a feeling Tomin would turn near the end.

I'm abit suprised nothing else was said about Daniel going missing, but then again he's gone missing before, but would have been good to include more about the events of the quest, part II.

Alipeeps
January 16th, 2007, 01:05 PM
I wasn't too impressed with Cam in this ep - he pretty much just sat around and waited to see what happened. Some damn fine acting from Amanda though.. she had me thoroughly believing that she was in an awful lot of pain.. and nearly cringing in sympathy! :lol:

Overall, the plot was fairly predictable though...

Oh, and why didn't they kill the guy who turned Teal'c over (can't remember his name, sorry)? He was one of those who resisted with force, wasn't he? So why wasn't he murdered with the rest?

kirmit
January 16th, 2007, 01:09 PM
I also really liked the end surprisingly, I don't know why, it just seemed a nice way to end it.

One thing struck me though, Tomin saying about the Priors mixing the Ori's words and changing it to suit the situation, I'm not sure why but this made me rethink the whole Ori are evil issue.

ste
January 16th, 2007, 01:10 PM
that was a cool episode, cant wait for the next one, what ever it may be

Happenstance
January 16th, 2007, 01:11 PM
Quite a good episode, as has been said Amanda Tapping did some great acting in it though.

I think the episode just felt a bit pointless to me though, yes we now know that the Priors cant see through into the other universe but apart from that and the Toman stuff it just kind of went nowhere.

TheWarrior
January 16th, 2007, 01:13 PM
that was a cool episode, cant wait for the next one, what ever it may be
next episode is "The Road Not Taken" :D

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 16th, 2007, 01:13 PM
So... was this supposed to air after The Quest, or did Sky get it wrong? Daniel was missing but barely mentioned, Sam seems to have made a new gizmo out of a device she had last year... I'm confused, LitS sort of fits in now but it sort of doesn't.

Bounty couldn't have been the next episode because Daniel is in it. Many of us e-mailed Sky One telling them that they had mixed the airing order up with the production order (the order GW has until sci fi announces their schedule). He will not be in the next episode ("The Road Not Taken") and then make his return in "The Shroud", with "Bounty" airing after it. Sky One have got it right.
Solutions reported on it (http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/blog/?p=732)

The device the used isn't the Sangraal it is the device from Arthur's Mantle




Any back to the topic;

Another fantastic episode! Nice Sam moments!

welwynrose
January 16th, 2007, 01:16 PM
I really enjoyed this episode - liked the fact that Vala planted the seed of doubt in Tomin's mind - I wonder if this'll get progressed in the episodes they have left

skydragon786
January 16th, 2007, 01:19 PM
I also really liked the end surprisingly, I don't know why, it just seemed a nice way to end it.

One thing struck me though, Tomin saying about the Priors mixing the Ori's words and changing it to suit the situation, I'm not sure why but this made me rethink the whole Ori are evil issue.

True.

But what made me think was if the Orii created the Book of Origin to get the masses to bow down to them, and at the same time the priors have their own version of Origin's verses, then surely there is conflict when the followers read the Book in one way, and the priors/Orii see it in another way.

Interesing idea to put into this Orii storyline.

bcfc
January 16th, 2007, 01:19 PM
Good solid episode, Good plot all the way through and we got to see Ori Ground Troops and the Ori Rings. The Cam and Sam interacting was good all though I would have like to see more fighting action (just me though).

Could have mentioned Daniel more than half way through and we could have seen Sam fix the Device in stead of just assuming.


Good enough solid, one of the better episodes.


Bring on The Road Not Taken, and im waiting for the Anti's response.

grasshopper64
January 16th, 2007, 01:26 PM
A good ep, I thought. Not one of the best ever but better than others in
S10.
I was suprised they only mentioned Daniel once, but I guess they are just having to carry on as normal.

I didn't know Tomin was going to be in this ep and I'm someone who reads every spoiler going. I liked his interaction with Vala, they had some good moments, and it was good that he tried to stop the Prior from destroying the village. I hope we see him again, if not this season then in the first movie.

Liked the Sam/Cam scenes, didn't see them as "shippy" just really like the friendship between them, and yes Sam was great in this.

GateGipsy
January 16th, 2007, 01:26 PM
Well that confirms it for me - Peter DeLuise sure does like to ship Sam and Cam :)

Although there was that 'fishing' password comment ;)

Cameron bakes - well he baked Sam some macaroons not that she liked them much.

The pacing seemed slow to me, after Quest part II which was quite tight. I loved that everyone had a role to play, and I did appreciate the continuity. Tomin, Vala's husband turning up, and the mentioning of Cassie.

It did bother me that the episode started with them all coming through the gate, happy and smiling. Surely there would be tension, a sense of working against the clock, if a member of their team was missing?

When the village disappeared - surely it was the houses and the area that was shifted entirely out of phase. So where would the grass have come from?

Also, the gates at the village. Big defensive gates that would have been about as much use as a chocolate teapot. But still they should have been shut - it might have helped them take down one more ori soldier.

kirmit
January 16th, 2007, 01:40 PM
I liked Col. Reynolds (thinks that's his name) comment when the town disappeared, 'We have the craziest job in the world' or something like that :).

LadyWolfie
January 16th, 2007, 01:41 PM
Well that confirms it for me - Peter DeLuise sure does like to ship Sam and Cam :)

far be it for a newb like me to comment on a "Ship" but i think Cam was trying to help a friend/coworker recover then flirt with her!

The Kit Kat Lady
January 16th, 2007, 01:42 PM
But what made me think was if the Orii created the Book of Origin to get the masses to bow down to them, and at the same time the priors have their own version of Origin's verses, then surely there is conflict when the followers read the Book in one way, and the priors/Orii see it in another way.

Your comment is an interesting one and something that IMO can tie into any sort of following. For example, you will have the followers who believe absolutely without question what is written or told. You then have the group of people who choose to twist things to suit their needs and requirements, ie to manipulate others as in tonight's episode. Then you have the level who question what is told, they may have been believers, but now, like Tomin aren't so sure. And finally there is the level who don't believe what is told or shown to them, choosing to follow an entirely different path.

For me tonight's episode has made the Priors a little more interesting, although in some respects they are little bit like the System Lords, with the foot soldiers as the loyal Jaffa, some of whom begin to question their "Gods".

It has brought an interesting premise to what IMO has been quite staid and boring - we never saw the disillusionment of the Jaffa, it has only really been referred to - so it was a little different to see how the loyal followers could see or hear something that makes them sit back and think about what they have been doing.

Overall I loved Amanda's acting, and felt as others have said that you could very easily believe she was in pain. I liked the interaction between Sam and Cam, finally giving him something to do. I haven't taken to Vala, however, the way she was portrayed tonight has made me think that if she'd been like this from the start I would have probably liked the character alot. I did enjoy her interaction with Tomin, and it would have been nice to see him go with her and possibly then deal with the guilt of leaving the Prior/Ori beliefs behind.

Certainly, for me, one of the best (if not the best) episode of S10 - I haven't anticipated an SG-1 episode for a long time, and whilst predictable in parts I still enjoyed it.

8/10 from me.

Elaine

Serebii
January 16th, 2007, 01:43 PM
far be it for a newb like me to comment on a "Ship" but i think Cam was trying to help a friend/coworker recover then flirt with her!
Yeah but on tv shows, whenever theres a scene between two characters of different genders...or even sometimes the same, some fans insist there is some romantic stuff behind it. 99% of the time there isnt

flynn1959
January 16th, 2007, 01:51 PM
I thought this was easily one of the worst episodes I have ever seen, dull, predictable, slow. Dire. Such a disappointment after last weeks wonderful episode. Not one I will ever watch again.

Where was all the concern for a fallen comrade? Where was Vala and her healing device? Where have all the talented writers gone????

kirmit
January 16th, 2007, 01:56 PM
I thought this was easily one of the worst episodes I have ever seen, dull, predictable, slow. Dire. Such a disappointment after last weeks wonderful episode. Not one I will ever watch again.

Where was all the concern for a fallen comrade? Where was Vala and her healing device? Where have all the talented writers gone????

well I predered this type of episode to an episode with them glum all episode, they know he isn't dead, so why be so down? Vala and her healing device were imprisoned aboard an Ori ship being taught the ways of origin...

LadyWolfie
January 16th, 2007, 01:58 PM
I thought this was easily one of the worst episodes I have ever seen, dull, predictable, slow. Dire. Such a disappointment after last weeks wonderful episode. Not one I will ever watch again.

Where was all the concern for a fallen comrade? Where was Vala and her healing device? Where have all the talented writers gone????

all good questions, but i think a more important one is "What do macaroons taste like"

These people are soldiers, they can't get swallowed in despite everytime a comrade falls! Even if Vala had a healing device she was in the wrong dimension to help Sam! and Talent is a matter of opinion (although this was far from my fave episode)

i think some time must have past between Quest II and Line in the sand, it would explain the work Sam did on Merlins clocking device and they contentment at the start of the episode despite Daniels absents!

happy? now someone give my a macaroon!

Wonky Bob
January 16th, 2007, 02:06 PM
Good ep

Not sure I like the idea that the Ori use rings. Thats says to me that the Asgard are more advanced in that area of tech. The fact that they had to drop the rings platform left me a little disappointed. apart from that no complaints.

Bring on "THE SHROUD"

SGFerrit
January 16th, 2007, 02:12 PM
Loved this episode, it gets a 10 from me. It'sjust getting better and better.

Seriously, It hink tis was even better than Quest part 2.

We saw some real Ori action, with the fighters and dropping the rings etc...:)

flynn1959
January 16th, 2007, 02:14 PM
well I predered this type of episode to an episode with them glum all episode, they know he isn't dead, so why be so down? Vala and her healing device were imprisoned aboard an Ori ship being taught the ways of origin...


How do they know he isn't dead? Vala could have used the healing device back home on Earth, Carter told Mitchell that it would take her weeks to recover.

LadyWolfie
January 16th, 2007, 02:15 PM
Good ep

Not sure I like the idea that the Ori use rings. Thats says to me that the Asgard are more advanced in that area of tech. The fact that they had to drop the rings platform left me a little disappointed. apart from that no complaints.

Bring on "THE SHROUD"

i agree, it was fun to watch though!

the dancer of spaz
January 16th, 2007, 02:19 PM
How do they know he isn't dead? Vala could have used the healing device back home on Earth, Carter told Mitchell that it would take her weeks to recover.

I thought Cameron, or someone (can't remember), said in The Quest 2 that Adria wouldn't kill Daniel because the information he has is too valuable? Or is that just speculation on my part? *goes to check transcript*

flynn1959
January 16th, 2007, 02:20 PM
all good questions, but i think a more important one is "What do macaroons taste like"

These people are soldiers, they can't get swallowed in despite everytime a comrade falls! Even if Vala had a healing device she was in the wrong dimension to help Sam! and Talent is a matter of opinion (although this was far from my fave episode)

i think some time must have past between Quest II and Line in the sand, it would explain the work Sam did on Merlins clocking device and they contentment at the start of the episode despite Daniels absents!

happy? now someone give my a macaroon!

Macaroons taste like coconut.

I think it would have been far better for the whole team to have shown some kind of hurt for the loss of Daniel, the opening scene with them all smiles on the ramp left a very bad taste in my mouth.

Happy? No, not really. I didn't like this episode one bit, it was slow and dull.

kirmit
January 16th, 2007, 02:21 PM
How do they know he isn't dead? Vala could have used the healing device back home on Earth, Carter told Mitchell that it would take her weeks to recover.

They seemed pretty convinced at the end of the quest part 2 he would still be alive because Adria needs the intel he has. I get the feeling they only use Goa'uld technology as a last resort, when it's life threatening. In the time it would take them to fly the healing device all the way from Area 51 and get it to the SGC they could have already patched her up and it wouldn't be life threatening anymore.

flynn1959
January 16th, 2007, 02:21 PM
I thought Cameron, or someone (can't remember), said in The Quest 2 that Adria wouldn't kill Daniel because the information he has is too valuable? Or is that just speculation on my part? *goes to check transcript*


No, that was speculation on HIS part. They have no way of knowing that Daniel isn't dead. Unless the sneaky little devils peeked at the scripts!!

flynn1959
January 16th, 2007, 02:23 PM
They seemed pretty convinced at the end of the quest part 2 he would still be alive because Adria needs the intel he has. I get the feeling they only use Goa'uld technology as a last resort, when it's life threatening. In the time it would take them to fly the healing device all the way from Area 51 and get it to the SGC they could have already patched her up and it wouldn't be life threatening anymore.

The healing device is kept at the SGC, Vala has already used it this season on the members of another team. I forget the episode.

LadyWolfie
January 16th, 2007, 02:26 PM
No, that was speculation on HIS part. They have no way of knowing that Daniel isn't dead. Unless the sneaky little devils peeked at the scripts!!

lol

i think it was 3/4 logic (The Ori girl Adria?(sp?) knows Daniel has Merlins memories, handy) and 1/4 trying to reassure Vala, poor girl.

Matt G
January 16th, 2007, 02:26 PM
OK...

1. The Cam-Sam scenes reminded me of "Solitudes" of all eps, Sam's turn to get whumped.

2. Vala-Tomin. Not sure why that subplot was added in, haven't seen any of the earlier eps so that relationship doesn't mean much to me.

3. On the other hand I did like Tomin questioning the Prior on his own terms.

Overall, 7/10, not as good as The Quest!

LadyWolfie
January 16th, 2007, 02:30 PM
The healing device is kept at the SGC, Vala has already used it this season on the members of another team. I forget the episode.

wouldn't the healing device have the same side effect as the big ol' Sarcouigus (sp?) it's the same tech, isn't it? remember "Need" when daniel went crazy?
and remember that time Daniel found the Fountian of Youth and got kidnapped in S.America?

just a guess

jannagalaxy
January 16th, 2007, 02:48 PM
I liked it. Good episode :)

mancslad08
January 16th, 2007, 02:55 PM
I thought this was easily one of the worst episodes I have ever seen, dull, predictable, slow. Dire. Such a disappointment after last weeks wonderful episode. Not one I will ever watch again.

Where was all the concern for a fallen comrade? Where was Vala and her healing device? Where have all the talented writers gone????

And we're back to crap episodes of season 10.

I swear they've used the exact same village set every other episode for the past two years. Can we have SOME creativity please??

Boring episode, hardly any action, the supporting actors weren't wonderful, the story wasn't even re-capped, the ending was another 'oh is that it' moment and no one even mentions Daniel until the last few seconds.

4/10. Rubbish, and Bounty looks a million times worse.

Nightspore
January 16th, 2007, 03:31 PM
I thought Cameron, or someone (can't remember), said in The Quest 2 that Adria wouldn't kill Daniel because the information he has is too valuable? Or is that just speculation on my part? *goes to check transcript*

You're correct. That's what Mitchell said; that Adria will keep Daniel alive because he is a source of valuable intel.

Unamed
January 16th, 2007, 03:34 PM
ok i thought it was a bit weird that daniel wasnt mentioned more but then again this epiode does seem to be set at least a few weeks after quest 2 so perhaps they have just come to terms more with it.

BJX
January 16th, 2007, 03:35 PM
I thought this was an absolutely superb episode. It reminded me of a classic Season 1/2 episode. SG-1 went through the gate, got into troble, got out of trouble and went home. It developed the villains, there was great team interaction and lots of action.

It was great to see another big action sequence with the Ori soldiers; the ring platform was brilliant and the script was incredibley well written with lots of meaty dialouge for the actors. Sam and Cam's scenes were performed beautifully by the two actors and Vala's and Tomin's scenes together were very powerful.

The only gripes I have with the episodes are: 1) The reuse of the village set. It doesn't matter how they dress it or where they position the camera, it always looks the same and frankly it looks like a set, not a real village. 2) The ending was predictable and a bit weak compared to the amount of action and powerful drama throughout the rest of the episode.

Overall though, this was a really fantastic episode.

Nightspore
January 16th, 2007, 03:36 PM
Macaroons taste like coconut.

I think it would have been far better for the whole team to have shown some kind of hurt for the loss of Daniel, the opening scene with them all smiles on the ramp left a very bad taste in my mouth.

Happy? No, not really. I didn't like this episode one bit, it was slow and dull.


Seriously, if I were Sam, Teal'c or Mitchell (since Cam's read all the mission reports), I would be thinking that Daniel will show up again sometime. He's been helped out by Oma twice...you can't kill Daniel. Sam and Teal'c know that very well.

As for Vala, according to how they wrote her last week, I would have thought she'd be all weepy-eyed and angsting over Daniel. On the other hand, maybe she truly does know what it's like to be a member of SG-1 now. The reality is that they still have to defeat the Ori - there' much at stake. Can't spend their time worrying or angsting over Daniel at this point when there's nothing they can do about it.

Furthermore, Daniel fans will get to see other characters angsting over Daniel in a few weeks, when it is appropriate and when they possibly CAN do something about his situation.

SGFerrit
January 16th, 2007, 03:38 PM
I thought this was an absolutely superb episode. It reminded me of a classic Season 1/2 episode. SG-1 went through the gate, got into troble, got out of trouble and went home. It developed the villains, there was great team interaction and lots of action.

It was great to see another big action sequence with the Ori soldiers; the ring platform was brilliant and the script was incredibley well written with lots of meaty dialouge for the actors. Sam and Cam's scenes were performed beautifully by the two actors and Vala's and Tomin's scenes together were very powerful.

The only gripes I have with the episodes are: 1) The reuse of the village set. It doesn't matter how they dress it or where they position the camera, it always looks the same and frankly it looks like a set, not a real village. 2) The ending was predictable and a bit weak compared to the amount of action and powerful drama throughout the rest of the episode.

Overall though, this was a really fantastic episode.

^^ I agree:)

I thought the whole Sam thing was brilliant, If I hadn't seen spoilers I may have actually thought she was going to die. Got me a bit sad actually lol seeing Sam go through that, but atleast she had Cam with her for support

Kazan
January 16th, 2007, 04:05 PM
Overall an excellent episode, slightly predicable in some places, little rushed and obvious at the end but not bad at all.

What I liked
The character interactions were very well played. I really enjoyed the bond of friendship between Cam and Sam. Not shippy at all to my mind but very good performances from both - hats off to both AT and BB.
Good Sam whumpage too and it was definately good to see something more serious and threatening than just the odd bump and scratch and to see Sam face up to her mortality.
The interaction between Sam and Vala at the beginning was good to see.
Sams password to the personal letters folder on her laptop being "fishing" - cracked me up but then I admit I have a SJ affinity. Nice little touch and nod to the background of the character. Just a teaser that leaves it open to intrepretation as you want.;)
Great to see more background / story on the religion of the Ori, the stories and the interpretations.
Enjoyed the Tomin / Vala moments. Powerfully played and showed a believable passage for Tomin through blind faith to questioning the Prior and to some extent his faith.

Not so hot things
That damn villlage again! Enough already
Too easy for Tomin to get Vala off the ship and if Tomin believes he will be killed for helping her and still loves her, doesnt make sense that he would stay behind.
Bit rushed and obvious at the end for me.

Overall 8/10

diamond_rough
January 16th, 2007, 05:37 PM
Sams password to the personal letters folder on her laptop being "fishing" - cracked me up but then I admit I have a SJ affinity. Nice little touch and nod to the background of the character. Just a teaser that leaves it open to intrepretation as you want.;)

That's considered S/J? I don't really get why. I figured that it was either (a) she discovered that she actually did enjoy fishing when she finally went there with the team so thought it'd be a fun password or else (b) normally in the past it would've been Jack who needed access to get personal letters to hand to people if she didn't make it given that he was her CO and is her friend so she picked a password that he'd easily remember too if those circumstances ever occurred. I guess I'm in the dark about why fishing is S/J...though I don't really get why some consider her saying "Jack-isms" to be shippy either given that it seems perfectly normal when hanging out with someone as much as SG-1 did for 8-10 years because then they're bound to rub certain sayings or characteristics off on each other. I pick up a lot of sayings that my best friend has, you don't have to be dating or married for that. Actually I'd say that Teal'c and Daniel have also had a lot of Jack rub off on them over the years so I think that's a given for everyone on SG-1 not just Sam.

In any case, pretty good episode. Not as good as The Quest 2 and it doesn't feel entirely complete without Daniel there but we'll have to wait a bit for that I guess. I like when the interactions among the team are mixed up. There has been too much Daniel/Vala, Teal'c/Mitchell, and Sam on her own this season. I'd really be interested in seeing Teal'c and Vala interact more because they're such fun in their small scenes together and I do also like Sam and Mitchell's interactions though I miss some good old Sam/Daniel/Teal'c interaction too.

Col. Shadow Quinn
January 16th, 2007, 06:03 PM
Any images or a transcript to show?

Lex Reekie
January 16th, 2007, 07:01 PM
I loved it. A little slow in the middle, maybe.

Anyone else notice the villager that revealed Teal'c was played by the same actor as "Captain Kyle Rogers" of 3x09 Rules Of Engagement?

MasterPower
January 16th, 2007, 07:22 PM
Any images or a transcript to show?

ditto

mancslad08
January 16th, 2007, 07:32 PM
That's considered S/J? I don't really get why. I figured that it was either (a) she discovered that she actually did enjoy fishing when she finally went there with the team so thought it'd be a fun password or else (b) normally in the past it would've been Jack who needed access to get personal letters to hand to people if she didn't make it given that he was her CO and is her friend so she picked a password that he'd easily remember too if those circumstances ever occurred. I guess I'm in the dark about why fishing is S/J...though I don't really get why some consider her saying "Jack-isms" to be shippy either given that it seems perfectly normal when hanging out with someone as much as SG-1 did for 8-10 years because then they're bound to rub certain sayings or characteristics off on each other. I pick up a lot of sayings that my best friend has, you don't have to be dating or married for that. Actually I'd say that Teal'c and Daniel have also had a lot of Jack rub off on them over the years so I think that's a given for everyone on SG-1 not just Sam.


S/J shippers know the two characters will never get together so they've been grasping at the slightest hint of a 'shippy' moment, even though 99% it wasn't meant to be shippy at all.

the dancer of spaz
January 16th, 2007, 08:00 PM
I wonder if "FISHING" is a metaphor for the inner peace she's found since S8. I think Sam honestly did come to terms with a lot of stuff at the end of Moebius, with the guys. And since then, she hasn't been as by-the-books, rigid, etc - she was slowly losing that edge when she was the CO of SG-1 that season. Maybe "fishing" is how she remembers that turning point in her life.

ses110
January 16th, 2007, 08:03 PM
Keep thinking that.Denial is a beautiful thing.Fishing means Sam/Jack are together IMO.

the dancer of spaz
January 16th, 2007, 08:46 PM
Keep thinking that.Denial is a beautiful thing.Fishing means Sam/Jack are together IMO.

I'm a shipper, but when it comes to proof, I'm holding out on something direct and undeniable. Sam's password is neither direct, nor is it undeniable. :)

Col. Shadow Quinn
January 16th, 2007, 09:44 PM
Anybody have any images or a transcript to show us?

lunarleviathan
January 16th, 2007, 10:14 PM
Really enjoyed this episode. It was very much a classic style SG-1 ep from start to finish. Something which I feel has been lacking recently.

The "fishing" password wasn't meant to imply anything, I don't see how it could. It was just a nod to the close friendship between Carter and O'Neill (Call it forbidden love if you like, I don't really care.)

I loved the expression on Vala's face when Tomin hit her. You could just tell that under any other circumstances she'd have been right back on her feet and laying into him space vixen stylee. :valaanime03:

Stef
January 16th, 2007, 10:25 PM
I have a few screencaps from particular moments I liked:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n242/SCIFI_TV_ADDICT/10x12_012.jpg

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-Stef

the dancer of spaz
January 16th, 2007, 10:37 PM
I have a few screencaps from particular moments I liked:
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-Stef

Great pics! :D Thanks for sharing. That fifth one with Vala and Teal'c seriously needs to be turned into a signature, or avatar, or something.

Col. Shadow Quinn
January 16th, 2007, 10:46 PM
Anymore screencaps(Tomin's death, Ori fighters, etc...

L.A. Doyle
January 16th, 2007, 10:49 PM
Great pics! :D Thanks for sharing. That fifth one with Vala and Teal'c seriously needs to be turned into a signature, or avatar, or something.

Yes, thanks for the pics Stef! I can't wait to see this episode. About that 5th pic...:D :tealc: :vala:

tara3583
January 16th, 2007, 10:51 PM
Wow i'm really glad that i kept away from spoilers with this one, my heart almost missed a beat when Sam got shot! Amanda did a wonderful job of showing just how much Sam was hurt to the exstent that had me saying to myself, "don't give up Sam, fight there are people back home who love you!"
Amanda once again showed us how Sam was feeling with out words, nice job:)
Also Kudos to CB she has made Vala into someone that i'm finding "interesting"
All in all great episode and some nice character moments for all.

donnie_darko
January 17th, 2007, 12:01 AM
Does this mean that we can just phase ourself and not get blown up by the Ori?
Yes! We have a defence now, now we just need a good offensive weapon.

asianmacker
January 17th, 2007, 01:07 AM
Good episode. I really want to see more of the Ori now.

flynn1959
January 17th, 2007, 01:20 AM
wouldn't the healing device have the same side effect as the big ol' Sarcouigus (sp?) it's the same tech, isn't it? remember "Need" when daniel went crazy?
and remember that time Daniel found the Fountian of Youth and got kidnapped in S.America?

just a guess


That didn't stop Vala using it on a whole planet of people or a SG team. No, I think it was just another plot hole in a whole long line of them. Or a chance for Carter to have her own little cookie and comfort scene just like Daniel in FIAD.

lissafoss
January 17th, 2007, 02:25 AM
What a great episode, i loved it!

The character interaction was great and we have a defence against the Ori now!

yammy
January 17th, 2007, 02:43 AM
Oh, and why didn't they kill the guy who turned Teal'c over (can't remember his name, sorry)? He was one of those who resisted with force, wasn't he? So why wasn't he murdered with the rest?

They're trying to drum in the difference between us and the Ori. The Ori do not 'do' forgiveness but we do. (I wanted him dead as well.)

yammy
January 17th, 2007, 02:48 AM
all good questions, but i think a more important one is "What do macaroons taste like"

These people are soldiers, they can't get swallowed in despite everytime a comrade falls! Even if Vala had a healing device she was in the wrong dimension to help Sam! and Talent is a matter of opinion (although this was far from my fave episode)

i think some time must have past between Quest II and Line in the sand, it would explain the work Sam did on Merlins clocking device and they contentment at the start of the episode despite Daniels absents!

happy? now someone give my a macaroon!

Macaroon wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaroon

Interesting that it is a Jewish thing or could he be Scotttish?

yammy
January 17th, 2007, 03:01 AM
Good ep

Not sure I like the idea that the Ori use rings. Thats says to me that the Asgard are more advanced in that area of tech. The fact that they had to drop the rings platform left me a little disappointed. apart from that no complaints.

Bring on "THE SHROUD"

I think the Asgard are more advanced simply because they are still alive.

Technology is driven by war/conflict. The chinese were the most advanced society until China was united and conflicts were largely not an issue. The Europeans then proceeded to become the major powers due to many conflicts.

It stands to reason that the Ori who are new on the scene and have no opposition advanced enough to stand in their way to not necessarily need to further advance their technology.

The Asgard on the other hand have been around a further 5 million years and have acted as the 'over seer' of the Universe. They have built up enemies over that time e.g. replicators and have needed to advance their technology accordingly.

If I remember correctly there were 4 races about the same level, ancients, furlings, asgard and another I can't remember, 5 million years ago.

I enjoyed the episode but Sam should have been more sweaty and wet. Seriusly, if you're in that much pain then you'd sweat buckets even with morphine. I'm talking from personal experience.

Darcy24380
January 17th, 2007, 03:04 AM
Great episode

saberhagen83
January 17th, 2007, 03:09 AM
Well this is one of few times I must say it was a very good episode actually. I had read about how great Amanda's acting was here, and after watching I can only agree. Really great, even brilliant, and convincing acting from her part! I actually enjoyed all the charatcers here, and the interactions between them. This is the kind of Vala that I could enjoy on the show, she didn't get on my nerves a single time and she felt more of a strong character in this ep and I hope that will continue through the rest of the season and coming movies. Though I'm still not sure what to feel about the Ori army, didn't seem very interesting too me. I thought they were even easier to kill than the Jaffa were. And after a short while, they were pretty damn easy to kill. Do the Ori soldiers have no armour at all?? Still it was a very good ep for a change, looking forward to "Road not taken" now. :)

Unamed
January 17th, 2007, 03:26 AM
now we know that it is indeed a prior who controls the main weapon by means of a chair platform

ILoveMe
January 17th, 2007, 03:31 AM
Good episode even though it left me feeling confused in some places The episode just didn't feel like it came after The Quest simply because everyone is just too damn happy! Sam and Teal'c show like no concern at all but maybe that's just because they've been through the whole "losing Daniel" thing soooo many times, lol. Vala seems to have gotten a personality make over and while I am glad the uber ho that she protrayed is gone... it's also strange for her! I also don't recall the phase shifter Merlin devise, so that added to my confusion.

That phase shifter thing would be pretty nifty in Atlantis, wouldn't it? It seemed pretty easy for them to guess when a planet was going to be culled by watching the wraith ship movements, so IF they had that phase shifter doodad, they would have the ability to save an entire planet from being culled! Then add in the fact that if the planet appears empty, the wraith probably wouldn't go back there for a loooong time and that would go a long way for the "Lanteans" to start building some major goodwill in the Pegasis Galaxy.

Wonky Bob
January 17th, 2007, 03:45 AM
I think the Asgard are more advanced simply because they are still alive.

Technology is driven by war/conflict. The chinese were the most advanced society until China was united and conflicts were largely not an issue. The Europeans then proceeded to become the major powers due to many conflicts.

It stands to reason that the Ori who are new on the scene and have no opposition advanced enough to stand in their way to not necessarily need to further advance their technology.

The Asgard on the other hand have been around a further 5 million years and have acted as the 'over seer' of the Universe. They have built up enemies over that time e.g. replicators and have needed to advance their technology accordingly.

If I remember correctly there were 4 races about the same level, ancients, furlings, asgard and another I can't remember, 5 million years ago.

I enjoyed the episode but Sam should have been more sweaty and wet. Seriusly, if you're in that much pain then you'd sweat buckets even with morphine. I'm talking from personal experience.


Well if that were the case why is there shield and weapons so much more advanced then everyone elses.

The Transporter is not primeraly an instrument of war and have larger benefits if you didn't need to send them to another on the ground platform.

TheReturnOfTheLantian
January 17th, 2007, 03:46 AM
this was a brill episode the moments between sam and cam, the ori fighter's are cool and the ring platform is nice just nice to see the ori fighter's in action and cam did say they lost jackson when carter said she was gonna die

over all good episode

Starxgate
January 17th, 2007, 03:56 AM
Sam and Teal'c show like no concern at all but maybe that's just because they've been through the whole "losing Daniel" thing soooo many times

Can you blame them :cool: Dont get me wrong I am sure they are worried about Daniel but the outcome is always the same & they know that & Mitchell & Vala is still getting used to the whole Daniel keeps coming back thing


I also don't recall the phase shifter Merlin devise

It was introduced before so no its not a plot hole or a magical thing that just showed up for this episode

macktheknife
January 17th, 2007, 04:12 AM
Top episode. Combined off world "exploration", making a cool invention, developing the ori, and developing a number of relationships (no, not "ships").

Something Atlantis has been missing for a season and a half :(

As much as I like Atlantis, I think the better show was cancelled. (not that either show should be).

edit - I'll ask a question, are ori ships supposed to "charge" the main weapon? Was that ever implied or spoken of?

IndianaJones00
January 17th, 2007, 04:40 AM
Anymore screencaps(Tomin's death, Ori fighters, etc...

We dont get to see Tomin die, he rings Vala off the ship and that is the last we see of him.


edit - I'll ask a question, are ori ships supposed to "charge" the main weapon? Was that ever implied or spoken of?

It seems that the Ori ships dont need to charge their main weapon, they can just fire it whenever they want.

The Ori satellite on the otherhand needed to charge but it was alot more powerful and made of less advanced materials.

SGFerrit
January 17th, 2007, 04:41 AM
Oh and I forgot to say, Cassie finally got a mention too!

g.o.d
January 17th, 2007, 05:37 AM
few screenshots:

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Agent_Dark
January 17th, 2007, 05:57 AM
That was an awesome episode. The stand-out episode of season 9 for me was Crusade and Line In The Sand is the stand-out episode so far of this season (of the serious ones at least ;)). It makes sense that the two episodes have some common ties I suppose :)

It was good to see an episode that had some quite good, thoughtful and intelligent writing for a change. I'd come to terms with Stargate being more of a 'romp' these days (nothing wrong with that) and BSG has been filling my more complex needs, so it was nice to Stargate pop up in this level again. While I felt the allusions to real-life issues regarding religion were probably a bit heavy handed (nicely layered subtlety works best!) , it was nice to have them there.
As was the fact that the innocent villagers actually got slaughtered for once! Have we ever seen that before on Stargate? Usually the baddies are about to kill the innocents when The Hero of the Episode steps up and issues a 'Let the villagers free - it is I who you want' challenge.

Also, very nice character stuff in an episode where the plot got to serve the characters (or at least the characters didn't serve the plot). Yay! That's how it should be! See, Stargate still can do that!

Acting stand-outs were Amanda Tapping and Tim Guinee (the guy who plays Tomin). Amanda was able to give probably the most convincing physical pain I've seen on the show (they usually make me laugh) and Tim Guinee gave his best performance on the show so far. Hopefully Tomin will be back soon.

travis
January 17th, 2007, 06:08 AM
That was a fantastic ep as good as the last.
Thought Vala was really great in this ep and Tomin poor guy all confused and conflicted inside.
Poor sam and good to see some one else get them out of the scinareo.
Even Mitchelle was ok in this.

g.o.d
January 17th, 2007, 06:11 AM
more;)


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g.o.d
January 17th, 2007, 06:12 AM
final part: sad ending...


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sgeureka
January 17th, 2007, 06:29 AM
Good episode. It's a cross between Crusade and another SG episode that I didn't like, but I can't remember. :) But in this episode, more or less everything fit nicely. (Exceptions are listed below).

I was a little weird to see the team so enthusiastic inspite of Daniel missing. Granted, he wasn't needed in this episode, and the episode would have felt very different with him I guess, but I wonder whether "The Road Not Taken" might have been planned to come after Quest P2. We'll know next week.

Very good acting (or the script was just that good):
- Vala
- the female leader of the village (she reminded me a lot of Lost's Rose somehow)
- Mitchell
- Tomin

Bad acting (just IMO):
- Carter

I know, I've read a lot of other opinions in this thread, but I had to giggle all the way through while she was hit/hurt/fixed. It reminded me a lot of when I was a kid and played oh-I'm-injured-I'm-gonna-die. LOL. Okay, that might just be my insensitive side because I knew Carter wouldn't die. But it gave Ben Browder the opportunity to show what he can do (from the moment on Carter got shot until the last scene). In one of the OMG moments, he also touched his mouth/nose in a way Farscape's Crichton always did. :)

IMO best moment: When Tomin realised what the Prior was doing and wanted to say goodbye to Vala and send her off the ship. It was a little shippy without being cringeworthy. Good.

Speaking about the Prior: Good to see this one back after such a long time. Self-righteous a-hole. I only wondered (yet another time) why he can suddenly speak English. But that's just a minor thing.

Strix varia
January 17th, 2007, 06:45 AM
I owe Alan McCullough an apology. I've ripped his writing on past episodes, and I was dreading LitS because he was credited. But for me this was one of, if not the best ep of the past two seasons. It was intelligent, well-acted, suspenseful, and full of moments that I have always loved about the show.

MasterPower
January 17th, 2007, 06:55 AM
Nice pictures. Keep them coming! :)

Domesticated Equine
January 17th, 2007, 07:15 AM
I thought this was easily one of the worst episodes I have ever seen, dull, predictable, slow. Dire. Such a disappointment after last weeks wonderful episode. Not one I will ever watch again.

Where was all the concern for a fallen comrade? Where was Vala and her healing device? Where have all the talented writers gone????

I agree that the episode was dull, predictable, slow and just dire overall. Sadly, I think that's pretty much par for the course for the series now and this doesn't even rank among the worst episodes.

Sometimes I wish I wasn't so masochistic I want to watch every episode of the series. At least the end is in sight.

MechaThor
January 17th, 2007, 07:32 AM
That was a great episode. Don't know why some of the above hated it saying "I will never watch it again blah blah blah" I will definatly watch it again once the DVD comes out.
I admit its not the best episode ever but it was still good.
Oh and Vala did not use her healing device as one she was on a spaceship, 2 Carter was out of phase and 3 i don't think she had it one her.

Ok...
Great Bits
-Close up of ori figther
-The drop ship style ring platform
-Close up of ori rings
-Tomin challanging the Prior (suprised the prior let him live to free Vala however lol).
-The ending with the bisket things.
- Renoulds was in it. The SG-1 version of Lorne lol

Good bits
- The ground battle
-The Out of phase stuff

Bad bits
- When the village disappeared you could see Grass in its place which would not happen? You would see a square hole in the ground and foundations.
-Cam never told the villager how to re-load. Which was not smart.
-Vala saying "we got a village to say" for some reason made me hate here for the 1rst time. dtrange!

The Ori
January 17th, 2007, 07:35 AM
Yeh I've just come home from uni and just watched it now!!

It was an ok episode but I sweard they always use the same settings!!

Anyway, Mitchell once again has absolutely no facial expressions. I swear he mus have had face surgery or summink!!

Rachel500
January 17th, 2007, 07:40 AM
I owe Alan McCullough an apology. I've ripped his writing on past episodes, and I was dreading LitS because he was credited. But for me this was one of, if not the best ep of the past two seasons. It was intelligent, well-acted, suspenseful, and full of moments that I have always loved about the show.

I'm not sure about the apology - Insiders comes to mind - but he certainly deserves some praise for this one. I completely agree it was an intelligent and complex script. Very character driven which isn't to everyone's cup of tea but very much to mine.

I loved it.

And the episode overall was fabulous; great performances from everyone, neat special effects. Could have done with a smidge more Daniel-is-missing reaction and poor Teal'c still doesn't get much to do but be captured and tortured but still great.

knowles2
January 17th, 2007, 07:45 AM
I like this episode. It was little strange seeing the the characters so happy but hay Daniel dyeing, being killed, disappearing is a normal part of stargate season now, it would be strange if it did not happen at lease once a season. And Teal'c and Sam must be getting bored of attending his funerals.

I like the overall episode, bit predictable but that okay we can finally start saving planets plus the device will come in handy when we pay a visit to the ori home galaxy.

Thought the acting was brilliant in parts. And all actors add a major part to play in the story line, which I thought was good.

I thought the ori solders were actually better that the jaffa, they actually tried to use tactics and by trying to out flank our positions, something the jaffa never tried to do, in their eight years of trying to kill sg 1.

I though tonin and the prior interactions were interesting and again really setting things up for the future again.

The only minor complaint is that the village should of be in rubbles. the ori blew a crater right under the village and when they reappeared in our dimension should of fallen several meters at lease, a minor complaint.

I can see the pieces coming to together for the final episodes of the series and the movies.

Well looking forward to next week episode, might see our drones do against ori shields.

Col. Shadow Quinn
January 17th, 2007, 07:49 AM
Can anyone put a sypnosis(episode guide)

The Ori
January 17th, 2007, 08:04 AM
I think they think that Daniel isn't dead, becuase of the knowledge that he contains in his head Adria would wanna keep tem alive!!

GateGipsy
January 17th, 2007, 08:06 AM
Was the set re-used from Red Sky?

GateGipsy
January 17th, 2007, 08:24 AM
Here's a synopsis. Please keep in mind that I have only seen this episode once and that was last night. I'm sure someone will correct me on any details I've got wrong/missed out.

Synopsis:

The team are sent by General Landry to save a village that has decided to stand up to the Ori. The prior had ordered them to build one of those devices they burned Vala in back in Season 9. Landry wants them to use the phase shifting device to conceal the village. Sam voices her reservations about the device being ready.
They go to the village and start the device. It is successful and we see the village disapper. The villagers have a celebration but unfortunately it is short lived. Part way through the feast the device switches off and the village is no longer concealed. There is a problem with the way the device is powered and Sam doesn't know how to fix it. In the meantime the Ori have arrived, in rather nifty fighters. Tealc is outside the village and sees a fighter dump a ring platform. A platoon of Ori are ringed down and head for the village.
Cameron gives the villagers weapons and a short (very short) explanation of how to use them.
The ori soldiers arrive, with Vala and Cameron leading the villagers and Sam trying to get the device working. Unfortunately the Ori over run the villagers, and Sam is shot. Cameron shoots the soldier that gravely wounds Sam, and manages to get the device working. But most of the energy units have been shorted out so only the building that the device is in is phase shifted.
Tomin, Vala's husband from when she lived in the Ori galaxy, turns out to be the leader of the Ori. He orders Vala to be taken to the ship, and has the villagers who were fighting shot.
Back on the ship he is given the punishment of trying to convert Vala, because she had decieved him in the past. He is using a particular passage to try to get her to accept origin. There is eventually a confrontation, where Vala attempts to get Tomin to see the evil he is doing in killing innocents, and Tomin ends it by slapping Vala quite hard.
Back on the planet some of the villagers now want to capitulate to the Ori, they see them as too powerful to resist. Tealc sneaks into the village in disguise, but is betrayed by one of the villagers. He, the villager and the village leader are taken outside by the prior, who wants to know why the building disappeared.
Tealc is tortured by the Prior's device, until he passes out. The prior then gets the information from the village leader (against her will). He goes to where the building was - to Sam and Cameron it looks like he is standing in the middle of the room. He tries to use his staff to reveal them but it is no use.
He then leaves and orders the village to be destroyed, even though the villagers have decided to accept Origin.
When Tomin questions the Prior about this, the Prior justifies his actions using the same passage from Origin that Tomin had been talking to Vala about. Only he changes the story to make it suit his own needs. Appalled by this Tomin frees Vala.
In the meantime, Sam has been trying to get Cameron to leave her and get the device away from the Ori but Cameron has refused. She is convinced she is dying and tells Cam that there are personal letters on her laptop, one to Cassie and a few other people. But then they work out a way of getting additional power to the device using the weapon on the Ori solidier that Cameron had shot earlier.
They manage to integrate it into the weapon just in time to phase shift the entire village before it is bombed. The Ori bomb want is now an empty space and leave. Vala rings down to where the village was, only to find empty craters. However seconds later the village reappears.
The episode ends with Cameron brining Sam macaroons that he baked himself (this relates to a story about Cameron's grandmother that unfortunately I've forgotten, I'm sure someone can tell us!). They don't seem to taste too good judging by Sam's reaction.

freyr's mother
January 17th, 2007, 08:31 AM
OMG! This ep was so good! I can't believe skiffy cancelled such a great show becasue of one mediocre season.

ForeverSg1
January 17th, 2007, 08:47 AM
That didn't stop Vala using it on a whole planet of people or a SG team. No, I think it was just another plot hole in a whole long line of them. Or a chance for Carter to have her own little cookie and comfort scene just like Daniel in FIAD.

I think it may have to do with the fact that using the healing device seems to take a great deal out of the person using it. The more healing that is needed the greater the strain on the healer. Due to that, Vala probably doesn't carry the hand device around with her on missions and since Sam/Cameron were out of phase, it probably wouldn't have mattered if Vala had it on her at the time. Especially not with the Ori standing above her with a weapon pointed at her head.

Now I suppose she could have healed Sam when she returned to the base so that Sam didn't have to actually spend any time in recovery, but perhaps Sam has made it a personal decision not to use healing devices after what happened to Daniel in Meridian. She may have negative feelings towards the device. It obviously wasn't capable of healing Daniel nor was it able to save Janet.

Also she may feel that its necessary for her body to recover normally so that she actually feels the pain -- as a reminder -- otherwise she may begin to take life and death for granted. IMO, it would become very easy to become complacent about dying, if you felt you could be completely healed at any moment without any lasting effects.

I've often questioned why they never allowed Sam to practice using the gou'ald devices more and these were some of the reasons I've imagined to explain it to myself. I suppose it's a question that should really be asked of a writer.

Prior_of_the_Ori
January 17th, 2007, 09:00 AM
Good ep

Not sure I like the idea that the Ori use rings. Thats says to me that the Asgard are more advanced in that area of tech. The fact that they had to drop the rings platform left me a little disappointed. apart from that no complaints.

Bring on "THE SHROUD"

Asgard transporters have a lot of disadvantages. They can be jammed like the Wraith did. Heavy use of using advanced sensors or locators to aid in beaming and can at times not safe as a wrong input of the transporters can lead someone beaming into a wall or worse. Plus its user friendly.... so simple people can even use them....

Strix varia
January 17th, 2007, 10:00 AM
I'm not sure about the apology - Insiders comes to mind - but he certainly deserves some praise for this one. I completely agree it was an intelligent and complex script. Very character driven which isn't to everyone's cup of tea but very much to mine.

I loved it.

And the episode overall was fabulous; great performances from everyone, neat special effects. Could have done with a smidge more Daniel-is-missing reaction and poor Teal'c still doesn't get much to do but be captured and tortured but still great.

The script didn't have any moments where I was jarred from the flow. No "What were you thinking?!" reactions to the story and presentation.

I do agree with others who have commented about the set being overused. I'm starting to get the feeling that the galaxy is overpopulated with pseudo-medieval villages. And a mention of Daniel at the beginning might have been nice.

Poor Teal'c.

Strix varia
January 17th, 2007, 10:05 AM
The only minor complaint is that the village should of be in rubbles. the ori blew a crater right under the village and when they reappeared in our dimension should of fallen several meters at lease, a minor complaint.

D'oh! Good catch. :)

Pitry
January 17th, 2007, 10:16 AM
Ah, excellent episode!

I was quite surprised about the whole religion uptake. Mind you, not objecting, not objecting at all. It was a solid, honest deal with very hot issues, and their taking the metaphore one step forward has served them the best way the metaphores of science fiction have served their stories - it made it so, so real.

I had no idea proir to the episode Tomin is there (damn them! When will they learn to list guest starts in the credits after the episodes instead of after the title! they're ruining the surprise!*growls*) - it was great seeing him there, it was great having them work on Vala's and Tomin's relationship, all the residue that seems to have disappeared off the map cropped up again, Tomin's attitude for vala - I think he both loves her and hates her, and it showed. Shame we won't see him again...

Sam. Sam Sam Sam. They shoudl always let Alan McCullough write Sam, he actually does know what to do with her! Loved her ere. And this is the first time I feel there might have been a point to what wa done to her in seasons 7-8. It's still far from redeeming that awful character murder, but it's a start. Because there really was a side to her we haven't got to see before - she never got to speak of her own personal beliefs, in 10 years of the show. This is the first time we see her like that, and in a way I can see it being connected to her experiences in those seasons. I'm quite optmisitic now about Road Not taken, given that it's written by AM as well.
LoL at all the little hints - password being "fishing" and the "d'oh"... so Danielisn't the only one who's been hanging out too much with Jack! :D Great way to insert a little bit of a Jack tribute into the episode.

Teal'c! well, okay, he was still a bit of a wallflower in this one, but definite improvement. Loved the way Vala juped on him when they came back to phase - teehee! I really enjoyed his itneraction with the village leader.

And Mitchell. Wow. Second episode in a row they manage to insert the little bits and tidbots that cause character development. So it is possible - but excuse me, where was this last season?. Great moments. It risked being cheesy at times, with all the talk about his grandmother and belief, but they manged to pull this off, so kudos.

Lastly, Daniel. Two pluses on this - first, while I think there was room for mentioning him a tad bit more, they also avoided crossing too much of the line by that. Yes, I think it would have been truer to the team ahd they mentioned him more - but that actualy gives the feeling a lot of time has passed between Quest 2 and Line in the Sand - enhanced by Sam's comment it'll take her several weeks to get better. Shroud spoilers
they're giving it enough time for Daniel to be belivably converted into a prior without it seeming too fast - adn enough time for him to do real damage as a prior, something he'd have to deal with when he;s back. Hoepfully?
And the second - and really big kudos, they avoided the trap of it being Vala who mentions him. Yes, it might have been a little bit more in character with what they've established so far if Vala would have said something - but by making it Mitchell mention him and not Vala is much ebtter for the team feel than the the other way round - back to Mitchell telling vala off in Quest.

Yay! :D

Pitry
January 17th, 2007, 10:45 AM
And we're back to crap episodes of season 10.

I swear they've used the exact same village set every other episode for the past two years. Can we have SOME creativity please??

Boring episode, hardly any action, the supporting actors weren't wonderful, the story wasn't even re-capped, the ending was another 'oh is that it' moment and no one even mentions Daniel until the last few seconds.

4/10. Rubbish, and Bounty looks a million times worse.

It's not creativity, it's cost managing. The set is a standing set - they're not tearing it down after the episode has been shot and they're reusing it for both SG1 adn SGA. True, they could have decorated a tad bit differnetly, they managed to do that before - but we can't really blame them for trying to save a bit of money.

the fifth man
January 17th, 2007, 10:48 AM
Yet another episode that I can't wait to actually see. This April wait thing is sucking more and more.:(

Toaster Roaster
January 17th, 2007, 11:48 AM
This anti religion theme of sg1 is really starting to erk me. Me being a very religious person I am starting to find it offensive. It apparently even took a shot at christianity with the who "no go worth serving would tell you to kill an innocent man" That happened in the bible when god told somebody to kill thier son. I know sci-fi shows are known to be liberial ie science over religion but this takes the cake

The episode was pretty good. Standard stuff worth watching ect ect
It has gotten me interested in cloaking technology. I wish I had stayed in enginerring....

g.o.d
January 17th, 2007, 11:59 AM
This anti religion theme of sg1 is really starting to erk me. Me being a very religious person I am starting to find it offensive. It apparently even took a shot at christianity with the who "no go worth serving would tell you to kill an innocent man" That happened in the bible when god told somebody to kill thier son. I know sci-fi shows are known to be liberial ie science over religion but this takes the cake

The episode was pretty good. Standard stuff worth watching ect ect
It has gotten me interested in cloaking technology. I wish I had stayed in enginerring....


oh crap:confused: Did you find Da Vinci Code offensive too?
I find Holy Bible/Koran offensive.It's againts my beliefs

the dancer of spaz
January 17th, 2007, 12:05 PM
Hey g.o.d., do you have a site where you're hosting multiple screen caps from LitS, or have you posted all of the ones you've made? :) I think it'll be a day or so before the transcript is released.

g.o.d
January 17th, 2007, 12:11 PM
Hey g.o.d., do you have a site where you're hosting multiple screen caps from LitS, or have you posted all of the ones you've made? :) I think it'll be a day or so before the transcript is released.

I posted all of the ones I made.I could do some more, but it will take some time.It's quite boring:)

Toaster Roaster
January 17th, 2007, 12:18 PM
I could post some any requests?

the dancer of spaz
January 17th, 2007, 01:10 PM
Oh, not a big deal g.o.d. and Toaster Roaster! I'm just ridiculously impatient. No worries. :D

lord-anubis
January 17th, 2007, 01:22 PM
very good ep i like the pior chageing the meaning to story so he could justify destorying the villlage i thought it was intresting. but i didetn like how they were acting all nomarl like if daniel wasent even captare by the ori thou

Uber
January 17th, 2007, 01:34 PM
Fantastic episode.

I'll get past the bad stuff first because there was just so little of it.

1. It was predictable in places. The ending for example was no huge surprise, although I liked how they got there.

2. That stupid medieval set. It has just been done to death. There are no no camera angles, no lighting tricks...NOTHING can make that village look different or better.

And with that, I now proceed to talk about what I loved.

1. The team interactions. It was really natural to me. Vala volunteering Sam for the near-impossible task and Sam shooting daggers at her with her eyes. The smiles and nudges they all seemed to give each other on earth and on the planet. Mitchell giving Sam cookies to make her feel better. Sweet, fun, natural interaction...it was refreshing.

2. There were no moments that really jarred me from the story, nothing that made me stand up and scream, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!?" as had been commonplace since Mitchell's rush up the hill in Stronghold.

3. The storyline itself. I love it. It seemed like classic SG-1 to me complete with team moment bits that made me smile. I wasn't expecting to see Tomin so that was a nice surprise...and I like how he's finally starting to see the cracks in the Ori way of thinking.

4. The guest cast. I thought they all worked out incredibly well. Okay so there was the cliche/formulaic "leader who stands against oppression" versus the "one who's too scared to stand for principle"...but I thought the actors did a fantastic job. The town leader had a quiet dignity about her...reminding me a lot of Brat'ac in many ways.

And was it just me or was the guy who betrayed Teal'c the same guy who played Captain Rogers in "Rules of Engagement"?

5. Fantastic character moments for everyone. Sam gets a whole section of appreciation all to herself so I'll focus on the others here.

Mitchell...did a fantastic job under trying circumstances. First by taking out the soldier who shot Sam and then following her almost incoherent prompts, was able to protect them with the field. Then treating her injuries, while knowing there's a lot outside going on he can't do anything about. Trying to figure out how to get Sam out of there and get to the gate...knowing it wasn't possible. His calming presence to keep her focused. His refusal to let her die, especially so soon after losing Daniel. That scene reminds me of Sam's frustration when she opened up to Teal'c in the locker room in Paradise Lost. This was a great episode for Mitchell.

Teal'c...as ever the strong silent leader against oppression. I think the leader of the village really took to him, respecting him for what he did to help free others from the Goa'uld. And when betrayed, he looked for a moment as though he would crush the hand of the betrayer...but didn't. He didn't bend under the intense pressure of the light and never gave up the others.

Vala...This also was a fantastic episode for her. First with that comment about being burned at the beginning, obviously talking about her own experience although she didn't comment about it in the first person. Everyone understood though, Sam shuddered in the background at the thought of it. She stood side by side with the villagers until the town was overtaken. Then on the ship with Tomin, she never gave up...determined that whatever happened, she'd give him a chance to hear the truth and it cost her. And Tomin? He had many great character beats all on his own but I love the fact that he's starting to see the truth and was willing to sacrifice himself to save Vala because he still loved her.

Sam...ah yes. All I can say is WOW. We got to see a side of her we've never seen...and that is as one who truly and sincerely believes she will die very shortly. But let's start earlier. We see at the beginning more examples of what a team player she is, how humble she is...being given credit for something she didn't do and correcting the misconception. We see her excited about the prospect of the modifications she's made but we also see her insecurity in being able to get it done in three days.

Then on the planet, she's humbled by where they've allowed her to work...a place of great significance and symbolism to their people. We see her shyly expressing the appreciation the town leader heaps upon her and the others for their efforts to protect them. And when the field fails, we see her dedication...working non-stop to get it set up, softly muttering a displeased "DOH!" when Mitchell tells her the coffee he's offering is decaffeinated.

We see how calm she is as she worked, hearing very clearly the battle raging outside her window and not rattled at all. And then the moment that changed it all...a soldier breaching their protection, sneaking behind Sam and firing...hitting not only hear but the equipment, taking out two of the naqadah generators. Mitchell rushes in, killing the soldier and the look in her eyes is amazing. I swear she truly looks like she's been badly injured...so much so that I had a hard time watching just from feeling sympathetic for what character was feeling.

But the true test of her character was not allowing Mitchell to attempt to whisk her away to safety because that would leave the device vulnerable and they needed it. She knew that by saying that she was more than likely forfeiting her life...but that's who she is. She puts the mission and the lives of countless others...first.

But that look in her eyes...throughout the whole thing...when she's seriously injured and dying...it was just so helpless and terrified. She truly believed that this was it...so much so that she instructed Mitchell on how to access personal letters to give to loved ones...Cassie among others. She was introspective about her life and the focus of it for the past 10 years...she knew that science probably couldn't save them this time.

We saw the moment when she's in so much pain that Mitchell was going to give her even more morphine ... but she stops him because she has an idea. She fights through the pain and is thoroughly incoherent, what with the staggering amount of painkillers still in her system and of course the pain itself, and she comes through for them again...saving the town from destruction.

Then there were two great character beats...one with Vala/Teal'c (who I think are ADORABLE together) and one between Mitchell and Sam, who I think have formed a true friendship. It didn't feel forced like it used to...and that was wonderful. I love how he thought about her and brought her cookies to cheer her up...and how she tasted it even though she didn't want to so as not to hurt his feelings, even lying about liking them for the same reason. That look on her face though reminded me strongly of her expression in Small Victories with the "yellow ones" Thor liked so much. It made for a nice beat between them though and that was thoroughly enjoyable for me.

Now I'm not a fan of the Ori plot...at all. I did however like the fact that we saw one of their devout followers start to question things. We were told that the Jaffa began to question and rebel, but didn't really get to see all that much. I like here that we did...that Tomin recognized that the Priors were twisting the meaning of things to suit their purposes; and that even if he doesn't fully believe everything Vala told him, he believed enough to risk his life to save her. That shows promise because without the devout believing in them, they lose their power.

So...I'd have to say that this was an excellent episode with very little to complain about. Nominal problems at best that for me at least were completely overshadowed by the character development and moments for each of the leads as well as the fantastic acting of the guy who played Tomin and Amanda Tapping, who I think was truly stellar in this episode.

Domesticated Equine
January 17th, 2007, 02:27 PM
It's not creativity, it's cost managing. The set is a standing set - they're not tearing it down after the episode has been shot and they're reusing it for both SG1 adn SGA. True, they could have decorated a tad bit differnetly, they managed to do that before - but we can't really blame them for trying to save a bit of money.

Of course we can blame them! It's their job to make things look as good as they can with the budget they have, not ours to accept everything they throw at us. If we the viewers notice that they're constantly using the same set, it makes it harder for us to suspend our disbelief and forget it's just a TV show we're watching.

ForeverSg1
January 17th, 2007, 02:35 PM
very good ep i like the pior chageing the meaning to story so he could justify destorying the villlage i thought it was intresting. but i didetn like how they were acting all nomarl like if daniel wasent even captare by the ori thou

I understand that alot of fans are disappointed by how the writers chose to deal with Daniel's disappearance; but in all honestly, did any of us truly expect it would be different?

After Janet's death in season 7, not a mention of Janet or Cassie was given for nearly a season. Then in season 9, they chose to once again just disregard the fact that Sam or Jack were absent. I personally didn't expect them to be mentioned in every scene, but it would have been nice to have them mentioned occasionally. Sadly, the mindset seems to be 'out of sight out of mind' and since Daniel wasn't a part of the episode, they felt it was better to just not discuss what happened and have the characters just move on with their lives. While I don't personally agree that the characters would behave this way, it seems to be the way the writers choose to address the disappearance/loss of any of the characters.

jenks
January 17th, 2007, 02:41 PM
I understand that alot of fans are disappointed by how the writers chose to deal with Daniel's disappearance; but in all honestly, did any of us truly expect it would be different?

After Janet's death in season 7, not a mention of Janet or Cassie was given for nearly a season. Then in season 9, they chose to once again just disregard the fact that Sam or Jack were absent. I personally didn't expect them to be mentioned in every scene, but it would have been nice to have them mentioned occasionally. Sadly, the mindset seems to be 'out of sight out of mind' and since Daniel wasn't a part of the episode, they felt it was better to just not discuss what happened and have the characters just move on with their lives. While I don't personally agree that the characters would behave this way, it seems to be the way the writers choose to address the disappearance/loss of any of the characters.

I think you seem to be missing the fact that they did mention Daniels absence.

Pitry
January 17th, 2007, 02:47 PM
I understand that alot of fans are disappointed by how the writers chose to deal with Daniel's disappearance; but in all honestly, did any of us truly expect it would be different?

After Janet's death in season 7, not a mention of Janet or Cassie was given for nearly a season. Then in season 9, they chose to once again just disregard the fact that Sam or Jack were absent. I personally didn't expect them to be mentioned in every scene, but it would have been nice to have them mentioned occasionally. Sadly, the mindset seems to be 'out of sight out of mind' and since Daniel wasn't a part of the episode, they felt it was better to just not discuss what happened and have the characters just move on with their lives. While I don't personally agree that the characters would behave this way, it seems to be the way the writers choose to address the disappearance/loss of any of the characters.

I dunno. I was a bit disappointed at first they didn't mention him right from the beginning - but I'm actually glad with what they did.
They set upt he time at amuch later one than Quest, part 2 - the team has dealt with Daniel going MIA again, not knowing if they'll ever see him; in all this time, they've worked up a new plan, constructed it and tested it - the use of the phasing-out technology. It means, I think, months have passed between Quest 2 and Line in the Sand. And so, we get the response that is perfect for months - you're all fine and dandy until something pops up and reminds you your loss. They'er all past the "dealign with it" phase, tehy're all past mourning - but the pain is still there, as can be seen from Mitchell catching himself and his change of tone when he suddenely is reminded of Daniel.
I do have to agree with Uber there, it feels a lot more like Redemption/ Paradise Lost situation than a Revelations one.

the dancer of spaz
January 17th, 2007, 02:47 PM
I think you seem to be missing the fact that they did mention Daniels absence.

I don't think anyone is missing that fact at all. There are people who aren't satisfied with the one mention of Daniel (in passing) by Cameron. There are people who expected and continue to expect more. I'm not heartbroken that they didn't mention him earlier on, and I'm not upset that they weren't more somber in the beginning, but both of those aspects would have been OK.

And they mentioned Sam, Jack, Cassie and Janet in passing in all of the moments Forever mentioned, but it was just that... in passing. There wasn't really much substance to it.

Pitry
January 17th, 2007, 02:52 PM
This anti religion theme of sg1 is really starting to erk me. Me being a very religious person I am starting to find it offensive. It apparently even took a shot at christianity with the who "no go worth serving would tell you to kill an innocent man" That happened in the bible when god told somebody to kill thier son. I know sci-fi shows are known to be liberial ie science over religion but this takes the cake

The episode was pretty good. Standard stuff worth watching ect ect
It has gotten me interested in cloaking technology. I wish I had stayed in enginerring....

Have we watched the same episode/ show? At no time did I feel an anti-religion theme. On the contrary - there was a very pro belief - genuine belief - theme in this episode. Not just Mitchell an Carter's conversation - a rare feat indeed, answering questions about what the SG1 characters believe themselves, something I am curious about and have been for quite some time - but with Tomin as well. He didn't become an unbeliever in this episoe - on the contrary. He saw his belief twisted, the religion he loves and is devoted to changed to fit something else, and spoke against it oout of faith.
The episode - and Stargate - come out against hte misuse of religion for private people's own purposes, not the religion itself.

As for a specific shot at Chritianity.. first, that part is the old testament, so if anything it's a shot at Judaism. Second, all religions have been misused by people, and quite a lot of that misuse took place within one of the big 3 monotheistic one. I didn't feel anything aiemd at Christianity in particular.

majorsal
January 17th, 2007, 02:59 PM
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Acting stand-outs were Amanda Tapping and Tim Guinee (the guy who plays Tomin). Amanda was able to give probably the most convincing physical pain I've seen on the show (they usually make me laugh) and Tim Guinee gave his best performance on the show so far. Hopefully Tomin will be back soon.

aaah, i want to see this episode NOW! *wails at having to wait till april* this scene -and the 'fishing' line- have got me jazzy for seeing this ep. :D




sally :)

golfbooy
January 17th, 2007, 03:00 PM
Ah, another week, another episode of SG-1, and another euphonic expression of my exaggerated, enduring, and ever present ego. But, really, who else is this post for, if not for me? It's not for any sort of academic offering, it's no formal review. And it's not for other fans, who no doubt have their own opinions and ideas about Line in the Sand. And it's not for TPTB, who seem to be rather pertinacious and disdainful as of late when faced with discordant thoughts. That only leaves me, and the question as to whether or not I'm self-aggrandizing enough to write purely for my own satisfaction. Unsurprisingly, the answer to that question is a resounding, "Yes". So off we I go, clacking those keys with the sole purpose of telling myself just what those thoughts that I think are all about.

To begin, I must say that if more episodes over the course of the last two years had been of this class, then I don't doubt that SG-1 might well be on the verge of starting its eleventh season. Previously, in one of these conceits, I've said something about how hollow and empty SG-1 episodes became during the past couple of years. While the heart of past episodes had always been the characters and their wonderful interactions, the soul of any given SG-1 episode often laid in the philosophical underpinnings presented at any one time. They fell into a number of given categories, sometimes being about civilian vs. military protocol and procedure, sometimes being about religious beliefs, faith, and who or what was worthy of that faith. Sometimes they were more morality plays, putting the actions of a people or even of our heroes into the spotlight. And sometimes they were about true philosophy, about planes of existence, questions of advancement of culture and of thought, and about the price of gaining that advancement. Most recently on the show, however, things have been far more shallow. Without a doubt each episode has still had its plot and its characters and its story to tell. But too often that story has lacked the soul illustrated in previous seasons. Too often actions have been without deeper meaning, too often comedy has crept into serious situations, and too often flashy effects and gimmicky storytelling has been substituted for good, old-fashioned (all the worthwhile stuff is) writing. An intelligent and thoughtful presentation of the material is what has been most lacking in New Stargate, but Line in the Sand is a welcome return to a bit of that soulfulness that used to come so effortlessly to Stargate SG-1.

It was a little rough going early on, with the team's arrival in the gateroom and their subsequent briefing a little jarring after the somber finish of last week's episode. But once the business of expositing the hows and whys of the story was out of the way things moved along swimmingly. There was certainly enough ground to cover this week, and for once I think that an episode split into two separate storylines came across evenly and without one or the other being shortchanged. There was even a nice little C-story with the villagers and Teal'c.

The episode's overall premise, trying to cloak the village to hide it from the Ori, is simple enough. However, rather than leaving it as just an exercise in technobabble, Line in the Sand manages to make a meal out of this single task. Sam Carter was always going to play heavily in such a storyline, but having her critically wounded throughout and leaving much of the technical work to the less able Mitchell adds a suitable level of distress to the affair. As in last week's episode Cam finds himself playing nursemaid to one of his comrades (perhaps we've found his calling). The subsequent solution to the episode was always going to come from Merlin's device and Sam's and Cam's being able to make it work, but the road to that inevitability brought some good scenes and useful development to both characters.

I'd not expected Vala being shunted off to the Ori ship, nor there actually being another aspect of the episode to tell there. Both get a big thumbs up from me. Just as in Crusade, Tomin is again used to great effect, supplying a suitable glimpse into life as a devout Ori soldier and filling in the chasm that sometimes exists between the "good" and "bad" guys. The Ori themselves are already such a nebulous thing, the Priors already such a banausic presence, that the presentation of their followers is all that remains to add some sort of texture and richness to the entire idea of Origin. Vala, unfettered to Daniel Jackson, proves herself a far more interesting and useful character in Line in the Sand. As in Flesh and Blood and Crusade, she is a convincing voice and interesting character when presented as the Milky Way's contrast to the Ori Galaxy's single-minded devotion.

Finally, Teal'c and the villagers also provide a useful complement to Vala's storyline. If Vala and Tomin are to show us life, conviction of belief, and doubt among Ori society, Teal'c, the village leader, and Captain Rogers are to show us life, conviction of belief, and doubt among those the Ori are trying to convert. The village leader is presented as the appropriate bulwark of her people, and Captain Rogers comes across as the confused and frightened (not evil) man that he is. Teal'c's presence, although understated, is required to make these scenes a part of the whole, a part of what is happening to "our" team. All together, this is much more how societies in SG-1 were previously drawn--complex, real, and believable within the context of the show's mythology. They were a real thinking, feeling people. Well done.

I only have a couple of complaints about this one. Again, I thought the opening was jarring. As others have mentioned previously, the village set is fantastically overused. While no doubt a money saver, gross reliance on the set long ago became a problem. The credibility of the story can either be helped or hindered by the setting, and when it comes to this beaut, let's just say that she isn't allowing for a smooth presentation. Also, Line in the Sand sadly illustrates how much more natural a four person team is to write for. Without that fifth wheel, the writers evidently find a real comfort zone, one where they find the right balance of story and character. Usually I think it's too much either way, but here it was just right.

Seeing as how I enjoyed this episode so much, let's first talk about the one character who has yet again plumbed the depths of Character Hell. Yeah, that's right. I'm talking about Landry. Let me get this straight. The single, sole person who is in a position to decide whether or not the experimental anti-Ori plot device will function adequetly expresses major reservations about said device's capabilities, and you just up and asshat yourself out of the briefing room with nary a concern? Am I the only one who found Landry a cross between imbecilic goober and IOA patsy? The IOA now dictates SGC mission deployments? Does General Landry have any idea what he's doing? You make me cry for loss of General Hammond, Babe Henry. And that's no easy feat.

Ok, that's it. I liked all the rest of the characters. No, really. And am I mistaken, or did the writers actually allow something to happen to Sam? It must have been a slip up. I'm extremely grateful that the writers didn't waste the opportunity to add something beyond Sam's mere injury. Her reflections on her life and how she's spent her last ten years were unexpected by me, but payed off in all the right ways. So, too, did her conversation with Cam about the personal letters to be delivered after she died. Both lend themselves to the approaching end of the series, and betray foresight on the part of the writers. Surprisingly, this episode was apparently written before word of SG-1's cancellation came down.

Cam also made out well in his scenes with Sam, despite the sometimes clunky dialogue. Out of his element in every way, from not being tech-savvy to having to stitch up Sam to not being able to take action against the Ori, Mitchell as a helpless observer to what was going on around him proved far more useful in integrating him to the story and team than any amount of action could have. He even managed a grandma story without its usual annoyance, though his repeated insistence that he "brought the team back together" remains laughable in all the wrong ways.

As mentioned above, this more serious and intelligent Vala can show up whenever she sees fit. I don't know why her IQ drops in fits and starts (usually when Daniel is around), but something towards the upwards end would be appreciated. Specifically, Tomin seems to bring out the best in the character. He was also excellent in this one, and out did Adria by leaps and bounds in the whole "speaking for Origin" side of things. He'll hopefully be back, too.

Teal'c. Poor, poor Teal'c. I railed last week at the writers shoddy treatment of Chris Judge's character, and am forced to do the same here. His reconaissance scene and subsequent engagement of the first wave of Ori soldiers was obviously meant to give him something, but in the end he was still underused. It's bad form, and seems to be a hallmark of episodes by Alan McCollough. Please, I'm begging, do better writers.

In the end, Line in the Sand is an effective and long overdue presentation of the Ori as a three dimensional force in the Stargate Universe. It's also an example of how characters can grow and be serviced by the story being told, with Sam, Cam, and Vala all coming out the better in the end. And its an example of how reaching for a little more substance and a little less artifice can ground an episode and make it more relatable to the audience.

The Road Not Taken is next week. I have my reservations, but bring it on anyway.

duckedtapedemon
January 17th, 2007, 03:01 PM
I'm actually glad they didn't make too big of a deal out of Jackson, it might be good character, but it would look far less professional (which is one of the better points of sg1 compared to atlantis.)

jenks
January 17th, 2007, 03:07 PM
Have we watched the same episode/ show? At no time did I feel an anti-religion theme. On the contrary - there was a very pro belief - genuine belief - theme in this episode.

I didn't see an anti religion theme, but I did notice TPTB starting to slip some political messages into the plot... THAT was begining to piss me off a bit...

kirmit
January 17th, 2007, 03:17 PM
I don't think anyone is missing that fact at all. There are people who aren't satisfied with the one mention of Daniel (in passing) by Cameron. There are people who expected and continue to expect more. I'm not heartbroken that they didn't mention him earlier on, and I'm not upset that they weren't more somber in the beginning, but both of those aspects would have been OK.

And they mentioned Sam, Jack, Cassie and Janet in passing in all of the moments Forever mentioned, but it was just that... in passing. There wasn't really much substance to it.

With Sam injured, Cam treating her and trying to think of a good plan, Teal'c rallying the villagers, Vala on a ship in orbit, tomin questioning the word of the prior and the Ori actually invading the planet there isn't a lot of time to stop and talk about Daniel or any other character. The end of the day no matter what happens they have a job to do, business as usual. Added to the fact they're all convinced he's still alive there isn't much to say, daniel was dealt with at the end of 'The Quest part 2' there was no need to bring him up in this episode, they'd already said their piece/ showed their concern.

Pitry
January 17th, 2007, 03:18 PM
I didn't see an anti religion theme, but I did notice TPTB starting to slip some political messages into the plot... THAT was begining to piss me off a bit...

Isn't that what science fiction's been doing since the day the genre was born? That existential metaphore Asimov referred to they quoted at the end of 200? Yup, they're slipping in some hot topics - as for their political opinions that obviously find their way in, I could tell you what those opinions are from episodes such as the Nox, First Commandment, Emancipation, Enigma, Politics etc, so I can't really be surprised, nor did I expect anything else.
I'll be honest, tho, it's very likely because I happen to share these opinions, or at least the way they've always reflected in Stargate.

the dancer of spaz
January 17th, 2007, 03:20 PM
With Sam injured, Cam treating her and trying to think of a good plan, Teal'c rallying the villagers, Vala on a ship in orbit, tomin questioning the word of the prior and the Ori actually invading the planet there isn't a lot of time to stop and talk about Daniel or any other character. The end of the day no matter what happens they have a job to do, business as usual. Added to the fact they're all convinced he's still alive there isn't much to say, daniel was dealt with at the end of 'The Quest part 2' there was no need to bring him up in this episode, they'd already said their piece/ showed their concern.

Yep. I agree. Like I said, I don't really mind all that much. But I understand why some people do.

scarimor
January 17th, 2007, 03:34 PM
This is one of the best episodes of SG-1 written in a long time. Easily the best of the season so far. The Sam and Cam scenes were wonderful, and Vala had some great work to do with Tomin. At last I feel the Ori story-line has found a bit of depth.

Teal'c's scenes weren't so many but they were very sound moments with some good guest characters - very well played by the guest actors. AT's performance as a badly injured Sam was especially good, and SG-1 has much more of a 'team' feel with this episode.

Good. :)

kirmit
January 17th, 2007, 03:39 PM
Just have to say, season 10 is really turning into a scorcher, I've seen 8 episodes I loved (including this one) that'll I'll watch over and over when the DVD's come out and the other 4 I thought were good, I'll watch them atleast a few times. Also, I love the Ori fighters, they glide through the air so gracefully, only wish we could see a better view of them (like a stationary one) before the seasons out.

ILoveMe
January 17th, 2007, 05:05 PM
Can you blame them :cool: Dont get me wrong I am sure they are worried about Daniel but the outcome is always the same & they know that & Mitchell & Vala is still getting used to the whole Daniel keeps coming back thing

I swear, it's like Daniel is a cockroach or something, lol. ;)


It was introduced before so no its not a plot hole or a magical thing that just showed up for this episode

It was confusing because I kept thinking... "WTF? That's not what MerDaniel built... He only got to stage two of a weapon... maybe it can be used as a phase shifter thing while at stage 2? Then again, how did Sam get ahold of it? Wasn't it last seen in that cave? Did Cam and Vala make off with it during the Daneil/Adria face off?" If I could have just remembered the damn episode that had the Merlin phase shifter device, I could have enjoyed the episode more! :o

Plus, how the hell did Toben survive that argument with the Prior? Wouldn't the Prior have killed Toben for his insolence? Or since Toben is Adria's father (well sort of), no one is aloud to harm him?

Anjirika
January 17th, 2007, 05:38 PM
Just dropping a comment before I go back to my ships....

....I actually thought that this was a 'meh' episode. Didn't like how they hardly mentioned Daniel, thought the plot was done already and rather boring. It didn't leave me with a feel of OMG THAT WAS SO GOOD like The Quest 1&2 did...

...things I didn't like
Tomin and Vala (D/V all the way)
The 'meh' ness of the plot, using a device that has already been used before
Not mentioning Daniel
Vala not even looking the least bit concerned

...things I did like
Tomin actually getting some common sense
The scenes between Cameron and Samantha....nice friendship building although I'm starting to see the ship between the two of them.
Nice to see the SGC actually win a battle for once

....on a whole... 7/10 not bad but not great either....

...and I never thought I'd say this, but I am totally in love with my back half of season 10 compared to the canon one. I mean, don't get me wrong, I absolutly LOVED the Quest 1&2, but I was hoping for something more....

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3169930/1/

go there to read it if you're interested. I started it back in September when SG1 went on hiatus, as of right now there are 26 chapters with 30 in total and it begins where The Quest Part I ends....

...leave me a review for the chapters if you have the time....

L.A. Doyle
January 17th, 2007, 05:46 PM
OMG! This ep was so good! I can't believe skiffy cancelled such a great show becasue of one mediocre season.

That's what I'm thinking now. S10 is a vast improvement.

Mitchell82
January 17th, 2007, 06:07 PM
I must say this wasnt at all what I expected. This ep had everything I love about Stargate. First I think Daniel was mentiond in just the right places. I took Vala's "go get em" attitude a semblance of Daniel being held captive by her daughter. Great to see Tomin again and I'm glad they left it open as to whether or not Tomin is alive or dead. Love seeing the Ori soldiers again and nice to see Tomin doubting his faith. Nice way to use Merlins tech and great Teal'c moments and also great Mitchell/Carter moments. Great to see how he really cares for all of his team. This just is more proof to me that SG-1 is still in it's prime.

Hubble
January 17th, 2007, 06:16 PM
Fantastic episode.


And was it just me or was the guy who betrayed Teal'c the same guy who played Captain Rogers in "Rules of Engagement"?


Yeah, I picked up on Captain Rogers right away. I know the Canadian pool of actors isn't all that big, but using the same actors in different roles always takes me out of the scene for a few seconds.

I pretty much agree with you; I really enjoyed this episode for all the reasons you mentioned; thought Amanda did a really good job and yahoo - Vala didn't have pigtails. I actually like her interaction with Tomin much better than I like her interaction with Daniel.

Very good episode.

Mitchell82
January 17th, 2007, 06:40 PM
Yeah, I picked up on Captain Rogers right away. I know the Canadian pool of actors isn't all that big, but using the same actors in different roles always takes me out of the scene for a few seconds.

I pretty much agree with you; I really enjoyed this episode for all the reasons you mentioned; thought Amanda did a really good job and yahoo - Vala didn't have pigtails. I actually like her interaction with Tomin much better than I like her interaction with Daniel.

Very good episode.

Funny I didnt pick up on Captain Rodgers but now that I think about it you're right. I love Vala's interaction with Daniel but I really enjoyed her interaction with Tomin as well.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 17th, 2007, 07:20 PM
Just got done watching the episode. It was a different episode that the rest we've seen, Sam got shot by an Ori Warrior and the sound she made because of the pain was interesting. I just loved Reynold's line about how they have the best job in the world.

I have to say this, I somewhat happy that Daniel wasn't in this episode, I think that made the episode slightly better, but that's just me. I give it a **1/2.

L.A. Doyle
January 17th, 2007, 07:26 PM
I just finished watching this, and it was pretty good! I still don't care for the Ori, but characters like Tomin and Adria make it more interesting for me. Tomin was great in this episode. His scene with the prior was powerful.

Amanda was WOW. Such great acting; it was realistic and even got me a little teary-eyed. I liked the scenes between she and Cam. It shows a great friendship between them. Almost makes me want to buy some macaroons. ;)

I really like the village leader and I'm so glad she didn't die(though I wish she hadn't told the prior about the device, but she was saving her people). T/V had some cute interaction at the end that I enjoyed. I'm sure I'm not mentioning everything I like, but overall, a good ep. :)

Mitchell82
January 17th, 2007, 08:03 PM
I just finished watching this, and it was pretty good! I still don't care for the Ori, but characters like Tomin and Adria make it more interesting for me. Tomin was great in this episode. His scene with the prior was powerful.

Amanda was WOW. Such great acting; it was realistic and even got me a little teary-eyed. I liked the scenes between she and Cam. It shows a great friendship between them. Almost makes me want to buy some macaroons. ;)

I really like the village leader and I'm so glad she didn't die(though I wish she hadn't told the prior about the device, but she was saving her people). T/V had some cute interaction at the end that I enjoyed. I'm sure I'm not mentioning everything I like, but overall, a good ep. :)

Ha I felt the same. I havent had macaroons in years.

the fifth man
January 17th, 2007, 09:37 PM
This just is more proof to me that SG-1 is still in it's prime.

That, my friend, is something I have never doubted. Personally, I've thought some of the episodes from Season 9 and 10 have been some of the best SG-1 episodes ever made. I can't wait to actually see this one come April.:)

Mitchell82
January 17th, 2007, 11:12 PM
That, my friend, is something I have never doubted. Personally, I've thought some of the episodes from Season 9 and 10 have been some of the best SG-1 episodes ever made. I can't wait to actually see this one come April.:)

Trust me you'll love it my friend. Especially A nice momemt between Cam and Sam and a hint at Jack and Sam

Chaka's_Mum
January 17th, 2007, 11:51 PM
I like this ep, too. I suppose for me, a real bit of fascination was seeing how Tomin was driven to his change of heart having ignored all of Vala's arguments. It's remarkable how even the positive elements of a faith system (even one like Origin) can be twisted by those who are at least nominally in charge to fit whatever nutty thing they want to do. We've seen that throughout history - from the Spanish Inquisition right through to today's religious fundamentalists (of all faiths, I hasten to add!). Given what Priors are capable of, it was incredibly courageous of Tomin to challenge him so directly, too.

We can hope that he is still alive, carrying that seed of dissent - though I suppose it's not that likely. He certainly didn't expect to be around for much longer after ringing Vala back down to the planet.

Mitchell82
January 17th, 2007, 11:56 PM
I like this ep, too. I suppose for me, a real bit of fascination was seeing how Tomin was driven to his change of heart having ignored all of Vala's arguments. It's remarkable how even the positive elements of a faith system (even one like Origin) can be twisted by those who are at least nominally in charge to fit whatever nutty thing they want to do. We've seen that throughout history - from the Spanish Inquisition right through to today's religious fundamentalists (of all faiths, I hasten to add!). Given what Priors are capable of, it was incredibly courageous of Tomin to challenge him so directly, too.

We can hope that he is still alive, carrying that seed of dissent - though I suppose it's not that likely. He certainly didn't expect to be around for much longer after ringing Vala back down to the planet.

I loved that too it proves that the writers were intending the ori story to continue for a while and build a resitence. Sucks that it got canned!:(

Wonky Bob
January 18th, 2007, 01:00 AM
I swear, it's like Daniel is a cockroach or something, lol. ;)



It was confusing because I kept thinking... "WTF? That's not what MerDaniel built... He only got to stage two of a weapon... maybe it can be used as a phase shifter thing while at stage 2? Then again, how did Sam get ahold of it? Wasn't it last seen in that cave? Did Cam and Vala make off with it during the Daneil/Adria face off?" If I could have just remembered the damn episode that had the Merlin phase shifter device, I could have enjoyed the episode more! :o

Plus, how the hell did Toben survive that argument with the Prior? Wouldn't the Prior have killed Toben for his insolence? Or since Toben is Adria's father (well sort of), no one is aloud to harm him?


It's not the weapon that Daniel built. It was found in an earlier episode, Arthur's Mantle i think. and used there. No one could see Cam apart from Teal'c when he had the Sodan cloak on.

Link Below

http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s9/918.shtml

The Engineer
January 18th, 2007, 02:00 AM
I swear they've used the exact same village set every other episode for the past two years. Can we have SOME creativity please??
That village costed $800,000.

knowsfords
January 18th, 2007, 02:25 AM
Cam operating on Sam is the first instance of inter-team field surgery I can remember in the history of the show

GateGipsy
January 18th, 2007, 02:28 AM
Just a little note - in the bible (the old testament to Christians) God never made anyone kill their son. He asked Abraham to kill his son as a test, but when he saw that Abraham was prepared to go through with it he stopped him.

silence
January 18th, 2007, 03:39 AM
Very good episode. Good insight into Ori. I liked that.

scarimor
January 18th, 2007, 03:49 AM
Cam operating on Sam is the first instance of inter-team field surgery I can remember in the history of the show
It was very well done, that. There were bloodstained swabs littered over the floor, and Cam was juggling the implements hand to mouth just like someone working on their own at that job would have to. Great acting from both AT and BB in that scene.


Just a little note - in the bible (the old testament to Christians) God never made anyone kill their son. He asked Abraham to kill his son as a test, but when he saw that Abraham was prepared to go through with it he stopped him.
He did, however, order Joshua to slaughter every man, woman, child, baby and animal in the city of Jericho (except for the resident who betrayed the city); if the bible is to be believed. And Joshua obliged, if the bible is to be believed.

mi4si
January 18th, 2007, 07:15 AM
I thought the episode was an okay episode.

GateGipsy
January 18th, 2007, 07:26 AM
I have to slap myself on the wrist here for taking the thread off topic! But we need to get back on topic...

Mitchell82
January 18th, 2007, 01:04 PM
Cam operating on Sam is the first instance of inter-team field surgery I can remember in the history of the show

Yes it was and it was done very well. It added realism to the ep.

Uber
January 18th, 2007, 02:20 PM
Cam operating on Sam is the first instance of inter-team field surgery I can remember in the history of the showI believe you're right.

I mean sure there have been instances where they helped patch a teammate up...but usually Sam was the one doing the patching. LOL

Mitchell did extremely well under very trying circumstances and I like how the scenes between he and Sam forwarded their friendship quite nicely.

Suzotchka
January 18th, 2007, 05:28 PM
I just wanted to say that I finally saw this episode the other day and I think it's one of the best episodes since season 8 ended!

I really enjoyed it!

Sweetsong
January 18th, 2007, 05:49 PM
I thought the episode was really good, I'll give it an 8/10. Only thing is the Ori warriors remind me too much of the Jaffa. Grey bulky uniforms and staff weapons...

Sweetsong
January 18th, 2007, 06:36 PM
I think the Asgard are more advanced simply because they are still alive.

It stands to reason that the Ori who are new on the scene and have no opposition advanced enough to stand in their way to not necessarily need to further advance their technology.

The Asgard on the other hand have been around a further 5 million years and have acted as the 'over seer' of the Universe. They have built up enemies over that time e.g. replicators and have needed to advance their technology accordingly.

If I remember correctly there were 4 races about the same level, ancients, furlings, asgard and another I can't remember, 5 million years ago.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression that at one point the Ancients and the Ori were the same race but the Ori later defected from the ancients and went off on their own.

But yes I know it was stated in an episode that the Ori only came to power in this galaxy after the fall of the Goa'uld. It would make sense if the Ori and the Ancients were originally the same race seeing as they both have learned to ascend.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Merlin hinted towards this, saying that the current ascended ancients were basically wrong in thier non interfererance policy when the Ori had become so dangerous, seeming to suggest they have a history.

jenks
January 18th, 2007, 07:15 PM
I'm sorry, I was under the impression that at one point the Ancients and the Ori were the same race but the Ori later defected from the ancients and went off on their own.



They were the same race, but it was the Ancients that split off and left the Ori...

Col. Shadow Quinn
January 19th, 2007, 01:48 AM
It was a great episode. I laughed when Teal'C mowed down the Ori soldiers at the ring platform. We also learned Carter's personal directory password. We'll learn even more in the next episode about Carter.

Myrddins Angel
January 19th, 2007, 09:09 AM
I liked this episode very much.
The best bits for me was Cameron operating on Carter and then at the end baking Macaroons for her.

Gwin
January 19th, 2007, 10:49 AM
Despite the fact that an invisible Cameron could have done much more than stay in the room, it was a wonderful episode with many powerful dialogues and great character moments.
Love the shown friendship between Cameron and Sam and the squee-worthy moment between vala und Teal'c near the end.
And great that they used this prior, who is the most impressive especially because of his voice. The scenes between him and Tomin worked mainly because of that.

Colonel Eriksen
January 19th, 2007, 11:22 AM
what will happen to Tomin I hope he join the fight against the ori

Gwin
January 19th, 2007, 01:00 PM
[QUOTE=Gwin;6222193]Despite the fact that an invisible Cameron could have done much more than stay in the room[]/quote]
Hmpf, I take that back, I forgot that he and Sam can't touch anything outside the room, etc.

:o

the dancer of spaz
January 19th, 2007, 01:02 PM
Despite the fact that an invisible Cameron could have done much more than stay in the room, it was a wonderful episode with many powerful dialogues and great character moments.
Love the shown friendship between Cameron and Sam and the squee-worthy moment between vala und Teal'c near the end.
And great that they used this prior, who is the most impressive especially because of his voice. The scenes between him and Tomin worked mainly because of that.

Haha, yeah, Vala and Teal'c were very cute. I love that moment between them at the end.

Vala was utilized quite well and in a way that's way more understated than she's usually used. However, once again, Teal'c's usage was severely lacking. It's a very good thing Chris Judge is so good at playing the solid foundation of the team. Even when he's not the focus of the episode - which is often - he still manages to support with authority. Essentially, he rocks at what he does.

This was the first time in a long time (since one moment in Flesh and Blood, I think) when I could actually look at the dynamic between Sam and Cameron and think, "This just might work." There were no annoying moments, nothing that didn't ring true, no Jack-lite-isms. I can really see a buddy friendship working out for them in the long run. The end, specifically, was given just the right amount of pacing to make it a very poignant moment between the two of them.

I have to agree with Strix, who said that she'd pre-judged AM and was sorry for doing so. Though McCullough's work in S9 (and Insiders) speaks for itself, it would seem he's found a sort of combination that works wonders for the team and for the confusing Sam/Cam working relationship. What he didn't pull off in Insiders, he more than made up for in Line in the Sand. I'm impressed that he was able to accomplish in one episode what his colleagues haven't been able to accomplish in multiple eps.

It would seem he also penned TRNT, which...
evidently will also have another "intense" Sam/Cameron moment

So I'm actually looking forward to see if the quality of this episode can be maintained next week. :)

Truskawka
January 19th, 2007, 01:12 PM
what will happen to Tomin I hope he join the fight against the ori

or will die saving Vala and another SG-1 members. Somehow I'm not able to see him turning against the Ori, against the Priors - perhaps after the manipulation of the Origin's text, but not against the Ori.

Mitchell82
January 19th, 2007, 01:53 PM
Haha, yeah, Vala and Teal'c were very cute. I love that moment between them at the end.

Vala was utilized quite well and in a way that's way more understated than she's usually used. However, once again, Teal'c's usage was severely lacking. It's a very good thing Chris Judge is so good at playing the solid foundation of the team. Even when he's not the focus of the episode - which is often - he still manages to support with authority. Essentially, he rocks at what he does.

This was the first time in a long time (since one moment in Flesh and Blood, I think) when I could actually look at the dynamic between Sam and Cameron and think, "This just might work." There were no annoying moments, nothing that didn't ring true, no Jack-lite-isms. I can really see a buddy friendship working out for them in the long run. The end, specifically, was given just the right amount of pacing to make it a very poignant moment between the two of them.

I have to agree with Strix, who said that she'd pre-judged AM and was sorry for doing so. Though McCullough's work in S9 (and Insiders) speaks for itself, it would seem he's found a sort of combination that works wonders for the team and for the confusing Sam/Cam working relationship. What he didn't pull off in Insiders, he more than made up for in Line in the Sand. I'm impressed that he was able to accomplish in one episode what his colleagues haven't been able to accomplish in multiple eps.

It would seem he also penned TRNT, which...
evidently will also have another "intense" Sam/Cameron moment

So I'm actually looking forward to see if the quality of this episode can be maintained next week. :)

All great points. I think though that AM was just working with what has already been established and did it well. I liked Insiders though so I wasnt surprised when this turned out to be a great ep. I too am looking forward to next week.

P-90_177
January 19th, 2007, 05:03 PM
Some great character developments with mitchell and vala in this and i loved amandas acting. it isn't often that carter gets shot other then with a zat or other sort of stun weapon. as weird as it sounds i liked seeing her being properly wounded for a change.

chocdoc
January 19th, 2007, 05:37 PM
Some great character developments with mitchell and vala in this and i loved amandas acting. it isn't often that carter gets shot other then with a zat or other sort of stun weapon. as weird as it sounds i liked seeing her being properly wounded for a change.


I feel the same way. The more realistic nature of getting wounded was clearly portrayed in this episode---unusual for Stargate SG-1.

This is the best episode for me since the end of season 8. It felt much more like a good team episode and the acting by AT, BB, and CB was excellent. Good job by BB on portraying field surgery. I was particularly impressed by Amanda Tapping's work in this one.

The storyline itself was solid. What made the episode so good was the characterization of Sam, Cam, Vala and Tomin. I also appreciated Carter's words about science and faith, and that she had personal letters to Cassie and others in case of her death. Realistically, they are always in danger when they go off world, and this reminded me of that danger in a more realistic way than most episodes.

jonno
January 19th, 2007, 07:45 PM
Very Good ep - enjoyed it lots. Second week in a row that i felt like i was watching old school SG-1 again.

No plotholes (that were obvious). Always a good sign in recent season SG-1 eps.

Sam - actually did something non techy! It's a miracle!!! I agree with others - nice to learn something new (her belief system) - nice for the mention of Cassy, and 'fishing'. Also, AT's acting - very good. Particularly the moment she was felled - i felt the pain. I felt like she might not make it.

Cam - not being reckless - you can tell he and Carter have become good friends. I thouroughly believed that that was how both characters would react in that situation.

Vala - second week in a row when i've liked her. Which is rare for me. The main reason i think being (rather bizarrely) that Daniel wasn't present. Their constant banter irritates me (something i hadn't realised prior to this one). Her and Tomin's scenes were excellent - and for a guest character only in 3 episodes so far, i really liked him.

Teal'c. Had slightly more to do than normal, and as normal did it well. I particularly liked his reaction to being betrayed. If I was that villager i'd be far more scared by Teal'c and any possible vengeance than i would by an entire fleet of Ori soldiers. CJ really has mastered how to express oneself without having to say anything.

The Prior - was probably the most interesting we've seen. He was an actual individual character as opposed to 'generic priest man'. Particularly compared to the wooden plank in the previous episode.

Nice to see rings of some sort. Though the CGI of them dropping from the fighter didn't convince me at all. Also, was it just me who got a wraith dart vibe from those ships?

Mitchell82
January 19th, 2007, 11:23 PM
Very Good ep - enjoyed it lots. Second week in a row that i felt like i was watching old school SG-1 again.

No plotholes (that were obvious). Always a good sign in recent season SG-1 eps.

Sam - actually did something non techy! It's a miracle!!! I agree with others - nice to learn something new (her belief system) - nice for the mention of Cassy, and 'fishing'. Also, AT's acting - very good. Particularly the moment she was felled - i felt the pain. I felt like she might not make it.

Cam - not being reckless - you can tell he and Carter have become good friends. I thouroughly believed that that was how both characters would react in that situation.

Vala - second week in a row when i've liked her. Which is rare for me. The main reason i think being (rather bizarrely) that Daniel wasn't present. Their constant banter irritates me (something i hadn't realised prior to this one). Her and Tomin's scenes were excellent - and for a guest character only in 3 episodes so far, i really liked him.

Teal'c. Had slightly more to do than normal, and as normal did it well. I particularly liked his reaction to being betrayed. If I was that villager i'd be far more scared by Teal'c and any possible vengeance than i would by an entire fleet of Ori soldiers. CJ really has mastered how to express oneself without having to say anything.

The Prior - was probably the most interesting we've seen. He was an actual individual character as opposed to 'generic priest man'. Particularly compared to the wooden plank in the previous episode.

Nice to see rings of some sort. Though the CGI of them dropping from the fighter didn't convince me at all. Also, was it just me who got a wraith dart vibe from those ships?

I agree on all your points. This was a very well played team ep, with great interaction on all character's parts but especially Cam and Sam. I agree about the rings and similarities to Wraith darts but I thought that in Flesh and Blood when they first appeared. I have loved season 10 so far and this ep is defeinatly not in short supply of danger, emotion, and humor. This ep had everything I love about Stargate and then some.

IWKYZerocool
January 20th, 2007, 06:30 AM
I know abit late but watched this episode last night, this was a good episode like the interations with the team, what is wrong with Vala, does she fancy Teal'c or something as she is always jumping on him.

scarimor
January 20th, 2007, 09:47 AM
Something I've noticed is that the show gains a fresh quality when Daniel is absent. First with Insiders, and now with LitS, the team come into their own. There's something about Daniel's character these days which depresses the show, imo. He is so different from his earlier self that he no longer serves an episode. Instead plots become plodding apparently to accomodate him - yet another obscure word to translate, or the Ori arc dominated by his has-been ascension gig. It's all been there done that...

When Daniel is gone, Vala becomes a viable, interesting character in her own right, with things to say and do that are pertinent to her and her skills/experience. The team interact on a level which is fresh and complimentary, playing to each other's strengths to forward the action. The Ori story is about people and ethics and challenges and physical peril. Plot and action and character have room to take on a natural dynamic. It's just better.

Matt G
January 20th, 2007, 02:53 PM
Cam - not being reckless - you can tell he and Carter have become good friends. I thouroughly believed that that was how both characters would react in that situation.



I got the impression from 'Avalon' that Cam and Sam had a history at least(if not a friendship) that possibly predated the events of 'Lost City'

Agent_Dark
January 20th, 2007, 04:54 PM
Something I've noticed is that the show gains a fresh quality when Daniel is absent. First with Insiders, and now with LitS, the team come into their own. There's something about Daniel's character these days which depresses the show, imo. He is so different from his earlier self that he no longer serves an episode. Instead plots become plodding apparently to accomodate him - yet another obscure word to translate, or the Ori arc dominated by his has-been ascension gig. It's all been there done that...

When Daniel is gone, Vala becomes a viable, interesting character in her own right, with things to say and do that are pertinent to her and her skills/experience. The team interact on a level which is fresh and complimentary, playing to each other's strengths to forward the action. The Ori story is about people and ethics and challenges and physical peril. Plot and action and character have room to take on a natural dynamic. It's just better.

I agree, especially about Vala.

jonno
January 20th, 2007, 07:38 PM
I got the impression from 'Avalon' that Cam and Sam had a history at least(if not a friendship) that possibly predated the events of 'Lost City'

True. I had forgotten that.

And yeah - without Daniel, Vala gains dimensions. There is a correlation - i've started to like her more recently, as she interacts with Daniel less, and the rest of the team more. In fact - in term of Team dynamics, LinS was probably the best since season 7, the last of the classoc team days.

In fact ... i'm losing a lot of interest in the Daniel Jackson character ... i wouldn't mind if he went missing permanently. Whereas at the start of the season, i would have gladly called for a messy death for Vala,in oh so many ways :p

Michelle05
January 20th, 2007, 08:48 PM
And yeah - without Daniel, Vala gains dimensions. There is a correlation - i've started to like her more recently, as she interacts with Daniel less, and the rest of the team more. In fact - in term of Team dynamics, LinS was probably the best since season 7, the last of the classoc team days.

Gee, I don't see it that way at all. I'm very glad Vala is bonding with the rest of the team, but she has a lot more depth when she's with Daniel. She's more often just playful and naughty with the others, as she was in this ep. With Daniel she shows true empathy and commitment to their cause. Of course, when Daniel is around the subject matter tends to be darker and more mythic, too. And I prefer that.

I had to chock all her cheerfulness up to her needing to keep herself busy doing something good with Daniel missing. Otherwise it seemed out of character to me that she would be so happy after being crushed just last week (or however long ago Daniel was taken in their timeline).

I thought this was a very good ep, probably the best Daniel-less one I've seen since Paradise Lost in S6! It's very hard to play "injured" and AT did a pretty good job of it. I loved Thilana and Matar -- very well played. And Mitchell was a great nurse to Carter. Great team feeling there for sure. But no way would I want this to be the permanent team. I'm just biding time until The Shroud. :daniel: :jack:

Mitchell82
January 20th, 2007, 09:08 PM
True. I had forgotten that.

And yeah - without Daniel, Vala gains dimensions. There is a correlation - i've started to like her more recently, as she interacts with Daniel less, and the rest of the team more. In fact - in term of Team dynamics, LinS was probably the best since season 7, the last of the classoc team days.

In fact ... i'm losing a lot of interest in the Daniel Jackson character ... i wouldn't mind if he went missing permanently. Whereas at the start of the season, i would have gladly called for a messy death for Vala,in oh so many ways :p

I always liked Vala and love her interaction with the team and Daniel. I have noticed that Vala has changed and I am liking her better. I though am hoping she gets together with Daniel. I have always loved Daniel and would hate it if he left. I too have noticed that the team dynamics have cahnged and I like that. I also liked how there was tension at the begining of season 9 and loved how they are all finally becoming a family like before.

jz9
January 20th, 2007, 09:49 PM
Something I've noticed is that the show gains a fresh quality when Daniel is absent. First with Insiders, and now with LitS, the team come into their own. There's something about Daniel's character these days which depresses the show, imo. He is so different from his earlier self that he no longer serves an episode. Instead plots become plodding apparently to accomodate him - yet another obscure word to translate, or the Ori arc dominated by his has-been ascension gig. It's all been there done that...

When Daniel is gone, Vala becomes a viable, interesting character in her own right, with things to say and do that are pertinent to her and her skills/experience. The team interact on a level which is fresh and complimentary, playing to each other's strengths to forward the action. The Ori story is about people and ethics and challenges and physical peril. Plot and action and character have room to take on a natural dynamic. It's just better.

I really like Daniel/Michael Shank, but I have to agree with Scari. Another excellent episode without Daniel that I liked very much was Uninvited. Vala seems to act silly next to Daniel, but great without him around.

Mitchell82
January 20th, 2007, 10:54 PM
I really like Daniel/Michael Shank, but I have to agree with Scari. Another excellent episode without Daniel that I liked very much was Uninvited. Vala seems to act silly next to Daniel, but great without him around.

I agree she does act different around him than witout and I too loved Uninvited, however I am a maor D/V shipper and still love vala with Daniel.

Web Of Hair
January 20th, 2007, 11:10 PM
what will happen to Tomin I hope he join the fight against the ori

He should be commended cuz he fullfilled the story from the book of Ori. He sent her back to a big empty hole that was a village the Ori destroyed for taking her back.... but we know the village stayed the Prior does not nor the Ori....


So maybe.... Tomin as a Prior? Be hell of a twist!

Pitry
January 21st, 2007, 01:59 AM
Gee, I don't see it that way at all. I'm very glad Vala is bonding with the rest of the team, but she has a lot more depth when she's with Daniel. She's more often just playful and naughty with the others, as she was in this ep. With Daniel she shows true empathy and commitment to their cause. Of course, when Daniel is around the subject matter tends to be darker and more mythic, too. And I prefer that.

I had to chock all her cheerfulness up to her needing to keep herself busy doing something good with Daniel missing. Otherwise it seemed out of character to me that she would be so happy after being crushed just last week (or however long ago Daniel was taken in their timeline).

I thought this was a very good ep, probably the best Daniel-less one I've seen since Paradise Lost in S6! It's very hard to play "injured" and AT did a pretty good job of it. I loved Thilana and Matar -- very well played. And Mitchell was a great nurse to Carter. Great team feeling there for sure. But no way would I want this to be the permanent team. I'm just biding time until The Shroud. :daniel: :jack:

The thing is she wasn't bonding with the team either iun this episode. She didn't get her extra depth from being around Cameron or Sam or Teal'\c - because she hardly was (as for the playfulness with Sam, that already appeared in Quest part 1). She gained her depth from her interaction with Tomin.
I think she gets something more everytime they allow her to not be just playful. It doesn't corrolate with Daniel at all - thre are times she's around Daniel adn she's serious, like Counterstrike, Powers that Be and Quest 2. There are times when she's around Daniel and she's not - Pegasus Project, Quest 1. Therea re times she's with the team and playful - I dind't see any added depth in Insiders or Uninvited, TBH. And there are times she gets depth when she's alone, like Crusade and Line in the Sand.
It\'s not about who she's written with, I think, but with what purpose in mind.

shockwave
January 21st, 2007, 04:00 AM
very good episode, season 10.5 is very good so far

was good to see the administrator prior again, he was as despicable as ever
liked the doubt that tomin had, and his conflict with the prior, hope to see them again.

rnwhocares
January 21st, 2007, 06:05 AM
Living in the States, and having just seen Line in the Sand, I have this to say... I thought Sam looked constipated when she got hurt. I liked the Vala scenes and Teal'c scenes(loved the supporting actress with Teal'c), really missed Daniel ALOT!! But, when did Sam get so girly-wimpy, all that talk about death and dying, she just seemed.............constipated.

Adria
January 21st, 2007, 06:07 AM
wow this episode was a eye opener origin doesnt teach vengeance but forgiveness .....

i loved the tomin/prior interaction.

Amanda was amazing in this episode it's about time she got hurt!!

DeeKayP
January 21st, 2007, 06:52 AM
wow this episode was a eye opener origin doesnt teach vengeance but forgiveness .....


I don't think that there is anything wrong per se with Origin, the religion or the book. I think what the show is trying to say is that it is the interpretation of the religion that is the problem.

Forgiveness was part of the religion from the beginning -- if you consider the words of the Prior who was preaching to Daniel and Vala for over an hour in Celestis. He talked about a story in the Book which said that there was a guy who strayed, but was repentent, so he was forgiven and welcomed back in the fold.

Perhaps Origin was the original religion of the combined Altera/Ori society established by their own ancestors. I mean, perhaps there was a group who came before them.

Robert C. Cooper tends to provide a lot of background information and intention in his expositional writing -- the dialogue for a character is often prophetic in nature (relative to the show's storyline). Although RCC's name isn't on this particular episode's script, I feel that he had a major influence for how Origin, the Priors, and the followers are to be depicted.

I think it all comes back to what Daniel said to the Doci in "Origin". Daniel seemed convinced after reading the Book of Origin in Celestis and after talking with the Doci that the religion itself came first and that the Ori have twisted and misinterpreted it.

Sweetsong
January 21st, 2007, 08:46 AM
But, when did Sam get so girly-wimpy, all that talk about death and dying, she just seemed.............constipated.


You know alot of people just die on the spot from staff blasts, Carter hung on for hours without only the patch job Mitchell did.

flynn1959
January 21st, 2007, 09:27 AM
Living in the States, and having just seen Line in the Sand, I have this to say... I thought Sam looked constipated when she got hurt. I liked the Vala scenes and Teal'c scenes(loved the supporting actress with Teal'c), really missed Daniel ALOT!! But, when did Sam get so girly-wimpy, all that talk about death and dying, she just seemed.............constipated.

LOL!! I thought the exact same thing. Beats her sucking a lemon, gulping, chin lifting of previous episodes though, a bit... I suppose. I missed Daniel the show, just isn't as good without him. He lights up the screen. Can't wait for The Shroud.

RealmOfX
January 21st, 2007, 11:29 AM
Some people think that Sam was girly wimpy in this ep??

I don't see it myself. Let's see, you have an officer who is critically wounded (shot right through the torso), lost blood (probably lots judging by the size of the wound), there's only the two of them in a village full of the enemy AND they can't let the device fall into enemy hands. Death was a very likely scenario and should have been discussed, I don't see the problem.


This was a solid episode, good acting all around with very few things to nitpick about. It was the first ep that didn't jar me out of my suspension of disbelief in a very long time, 32 eps I think. Certainly not "The Best Evah" but an all round good episode.

Sam and Mitchell were great (quick pass out the smelling salts, I think a few Mitchell fans just fainted :D )
Vala and Tomin were great
What little we saw of Teal'c was great (PUHLEESE no more Teal'c gets captured / tortured, enough is enough)
The village leader was good
The Prior was good too.

There were a couple of things that bugged me but not majorly, most notably was Landry and Vala in one tiny little bit in the briefing room that I thought could have been done better.

A good solid episode but it's just a pity that I had to wait so long before I saw an ep that I would happily rewatch. More eps of this calibre please.

Michelle05
January 21st, 2007, 11:57 AM
I think it all comes back to what Daniel said to the Doci in "Origin". Daniel seemed convinced after reading the Book of Origin in Celestis and after talking with the Doci that the religion itself came first and that the Ori have twisted and misinterpreted it.

Very interesting. I had forgotten that, and I wonder if that's still how RCC thinks of it.

cshawzye
January 21st, 2007, 12:44 PM
I don't think that there is anything wrong per se with Origin, the religion or the book. I think what the show is trying to say is that it is the interpretation of the religion that is the problem.

I think you're exactly right there. Origin, on it's own, I don't think it's the problem. The way that it has been taken and twisted and re-worked to suit the needs of a few is where things turn for the worse. Instead of following it's tone of forgiveness it's been manipulated and re-interpreted and used as a tool for vengeance, slavery and destruction.

As for the episode ... I thought it was great. Not as good as The Quest Pt. 2, but still a really good episode. I'd give it an 8.5 out of 10. This is just another episode that makes me again shake my head in disbelief at Sci Fi and it's decsion to cancel this great show.

The development of story and characters here was great. The scenes between Tomin and the Prior were outstanding. I'm actually starting to really enjoy the Ori as villians. IMO, this episode, and the scenes between Tomin and the Prior specifically, brought a lot of life into what had kind of become a stale villian. I also really enjoyed the scenes between Cam and Sam in the episode. ... Not a lot else I can say because a lot of my thoughts have been covered in other peoples posts.

Pitry
January 21st, 2007, 02:30 PM
Very interesting. I had forgotten that, and I wonder if that's still how RCC thinks of it.

I think it is.
I don't think they could hav written this episode without looking at the biiger picture. Think of it - Tomin isn't the antagonist in here, at least not for long. He's a protagonist of sorts. And what he does, the good things he does, the inner conflict you see - it's out of his faith in Origin.
You have to remember when doing this that the faith itself isn't a bad thing - only the misuse of it by powerful people. By setting up Origin to be a reflection of the big monotheistic religions they didn't just puot the Spanish Inquisition and crusades and whatnot, they've also poured in the "turn the other cheek" and the "love thy neighbour" bits of religion - I don't think it escaped them.

majorsal
January 21st, 2007, 03:13 PM
LOL!! I thought the exact same thing. Beats her sucking a lemon, gulping, chin lifting of previous episodes though, a bit... I suppose. I missed Daniel the show, just isn't as good without him. He lights up the screen. Can't wait for The Shroud.

and when you're using your 'constructive critism' talents so gently, who do you think looks worse? it sure isn't amanda.




sally :zelenka26:

Hubble
January 21st, 2007, 07:50 PM
LOL!! I thought the exact same thing. Beats her sucking a lemon, gulping, chin lifting of previous episodes though, a bit... I suppose. I missed Daniel the show, just isn't as good without him. He lights up the screen. Can't wait for The Shroud.

Since the writers don't seem to be able to write Daniel and Vala as independent characters, I find I like Vala much better when Daniel isn't around. I found I didn't miss Daniel at all in this episode; everyone was given something to do; they all contributed and I'm not sure that Daniel would have fit into this storyline. Had he been there, I don't think there would have been such good scenes between Vala and Tomin.

Good overall episode; a few niggles, but they involve the directing.

I'm looking forward to the Shroud as well, but I sincerely think there are going to be some disappointed fans due to their expectations.

the fifth man
January 21st, 2007, 08:34 PM
I'm looking forward to the Shroud as well, but I sincerely think there are going to be some disappointed fans due to their expectations.

Whenever an episode has so much buzz around it, there is almost always some degree of letdown, at least for some people. I don't think that will ever change. Personally, I think "The Shroud" will be an awesome episode.

Mitchell82
January 21st, 2007, 09:52 PM
Whenever an episode has so much buzz around it, there is almost always some degree of letdown, at least for some people. I don't think that will ever change. Personally, I think "The Shroud" will be an awesome episode.

No I doubt that will ever change. I personally don't think I'll be disapointed as I rarely am. I am really looking forward to it.

the fifth man
January 21st, 2007, 10:07 PM
No I doubt that will ever change. I personally don't think I'll be disapointed as I rarely am. I am really looking forward to it.

I hear you there, my friend. This show very rarely let's me down.:)

Bisqwit
January 22nd, 2007, 02:58 AM
Cool! I can't wait to see them embed this technology in the puddlejumper and use it to spy / infiltrate any ship they encounter, since they can pass through the solid without problem.

Andy1
January 22nd, 2007, 03:57 AM
Another brilliant episode. The makers are really turning it on so far for the second half of the season, much better than season 10 so far. The action sequences were great, I would liked to of seen the fighters perhaps do more than just fly around, but the Ring Platform drop was a nice idea. Ori Soldiers have a rough time don't they? Three of them getting nailed by Teal'c as soon as they beam down, :).

It was a nice surprise to see Tomin again, this episode really kept me on the edge because through all the bits with Tomin I was thinking, please don't be evil, please don't be evil. I liked the ending, I don't mind not seeing Sam manage to phase the whole village out again.

I must admit I was a little confused at first, I was wondering what the Ancient Device was that they were using. I didn't see 'Arthur's Mantle', but I kind of guessed that the device was based on the one in that episode.

Andy1
January 22nd, 2007, 04:05 AM
I think it all comes back to what Daniel said to the Doci in "Origin". Daniel seemed convinced after reading the Book of Origin in Celestis and after talking with the Doci that the religion itself came first and that the Ori have twisted and misinterpreted it.

Yeah, that makes sense. It would explain why the current Ancients are so strict in their non-interference policy. They perhaps used to preach the original Origin, and when the Ori used it to their advantage, the scientific Ancients made sure they had no further contact with the lower planes, so none of them got the idea of manipulating people again.

rnwhocares
January 22nd, 2007, 01:41 PM
I hear you there, my friend. This show very rarely let's me down.:)
DITTO:)

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman
January 22nd, 2007, 01:49 PM
My favorite episode this season :D It was just so...Stargate! Know what I mean?

And Amanda Tapping was AMAZING! I really bought the "I'm in so much pain and I think I'm gonna die" thing! Hurt scenes in SG usually make me smile but she was perfect!

scarimor
January 22nd, 2007, 02:31 PM
You know alot of people just die on the spot from staff blasts, Carter hung on for hours without only the patch job Mitchell did.
And improvised a solution to the failing power source for the phase-device at the same time :)

Those Sam & Cam scenes were great.

PG15
January 22nd, 2007, 06:25 PM
Yes! Finally a view of the bit behind the "face" of the Ori ship! Now I can complete my model! :D

After a week of the flu, I finally got to watch the ep, and it was worth it...well, the wait was, nothing was worth the flu. Ugh.

Anyway, very solid episode, the very beginning and a small bit of the middle part sort of dragged a tiny bit, and unfortunately, the ending was slightly anticlimatic. However, the character interactions between Cam, Sam, and Tomin and Vala more than made up for that.

The points:

Let's get through the small bits before I forget them: Macarrons. :D Ah, Joe's foodie-ness is creeping into the show. Next we'll be getting lunches with names that'll take a full minute to say. ;) Also, loved the little "uh oh" from Sam when Cam said that he had an idea. And I cannot forget the "password is fishing" bit; that'll please the shippers. :D

Oh, and Cassie! And some...other people, eh? ;)

Ok, moving on. Sam shined this week, even if most of the time she was in bed. I have to admit, I was getting a little tired of technobabble-Sam spouting proper-explanations day-in and day-out. So it was a blessing that she got shot. :D Amanda really sold the pain; I was gritting my teeth throughout those initial moments. After that it was just golden; for once Sam was afraid that she was going to die (brave words don't hide tears), and we're reminded that she's more than just a scientists and a soldier, she's a human being too.

Opposite her, Cam shined as well. Loved the little mannerisms that Ben used when he was trying to convince Sam of her livelihood, such as the small bit where he just couldn't get the words out. Very heart-breaking. I was with him all the way when he talked about getting the team back together, and now loosing them one-by-one. I don't care what anyone else says; Cam is definately getting better and better this year.

Next up is Tomin. I was hoping to see him again; I believe I said in the Crusade thread how much I liked him; he's just a simple guy who's been drafterd into a war, and now we see how he's changed. As shown at the end, however, in his heart he is still very much the simple, good man we saw him back in Crusade. I absolutely loved how this guy emotes; that "ENOUGH!" jolted me right out of my chair and was really one of the highlights of the episode. This guy definately sold the "tortured soldier" mentality. I just hope we get to see him again.

Speaking of mentalities, I think this episode had the most religious undertones of the series, or at least is among a handful. Sure, it didn't have tons of priors blabbing about the book of Origin, but for once it actually used the concept of the Ori to delve into Religious corruption; and we're talking more than "these guys are false gods who's deceive you, blah blah blah" thing that we had with the Goa'uld. This was a full-blown allegory, and I was intrigued.

Mobile Rings! That was new. Also liked the more up-close shots of the Ori weapons.

Oh yeah, and I actually liked that villager, the one trying to convince everyone to bow down to the Ori; you can tell very visibly that he's just scared, and a lot of what he said had a lot of merit for those just hoping to survive.

Loved seeing the return of the Village Administrator Prior, as well as Col. "Crazy Job" Reynolds. :D

Overall, a very solid, but not perfect episode.

Score: 9/10

EDIT: Geez, and how can I forget Sam's little "d'oh!" after Cam reported some bad news near the beginning? :D

Mitchell82
January 22nd, 2007, 06:46 PM
Yes! Finally a view of the bit behind the "face" of the Ori ship! Now I can complete my model! :D

After a week of the flu, I finally got to watch the ep, and it was worth it...well, the wait was, nothing was worth the flu. Ugh.

Anyway, very solid episode, the very beginning and a small bit of the middle part sort of dragged a tiny bit, and unfortunately, the ending was slightly anticlimatic. However, the character interactions between Cam, Sam, and Tomin and Vala more than made up for that.

The points:

Let's get through the small bits before I forget them: Macarrons. :D Ah, Joe's foodie-ness is creeping into the show. Next we'll be getting lunches with names that'll take a full minute to say. ;) Also, loved the little "uh oh" from Sam when Cam said that he had an idea. And I cannot forget the "password is fishing" bit; that'll please the shippers. :D

Oh, and Cassie! And some...other people, eh? ;)

Ok, moving on. Sam shined this week, even if most of the time she was in bed. I have to admit, I was getting a little tired of technobabble-Sam spouting proper-explanations day-in and day-out. So it was a blessing that she got shot. :D Amanda really sold the pain; I was gritting my teeth throughout those initial moments. After that it was just golden; for once Sam was afraid that she was going to die (brave words don't hide tears), and we're reminded that she's more than just a scientists and a soldier, she's a human being too.

Opposite her, Cam shined as well. Loved the little mannerisms that Ben used when he was trying to convince Sam of her livelihood, such as the small bit where he just couldn't get the words out. Very heart-breaking. I was with him all the way when he talked about getting the team back together, and now loosing them one-by-one. I don't care what anyone else says; Cam is definately getting better and better this year.

Next up is Tomin. I was hoping to see him again; I believe I said in the Crusade thread how much I liked him; he's just a simple guy who's been drafterd into a war, and now we see how he's changed. As shown at the end, however, in his heart he is still very much the simple, good man we saw him back in Crusade. I absolutely loved how this guy emotes; that "ENOUGH!" jolted me right out of my chair and was really one of the highlights of the episode. This guy definately sold the "tortured soldier" mentality. I just hope we get to see him again.

Speaking of mentalities, I think this episode had the most religious undertones of the series, or at least is among a handful. Sure, it didn't have tons of priors blabbing about the book of Origin, but for once it actually used the concept of the Ori to delve into Religious corruption; and we're talking more than "these guys are false gods who's deceive you, blah blah blah" thing that we had with the Goa'uld. This was a full-blown allegory, and I was intrigued.

Mobile Rings! That was new. Also liked the more up-close shots of the Ori weapons.

Oh yeah, and I actually liked that villager, the one trying to convince everyone to bow down to the Ori; you can tell very visibly that he's just scared, and a lot of what he said had a lot of merit for those just hoping to survive.

Loved seeing the return of the Village Administrator Prior, as well as Col. "Crazy Job" Reynolds. :D

Overall, a very solid, but not perfect episode.

Score: 9/10

Nice to see you back wondered where you went. Sorry to hear you had the flu I know it's not fun I had it last year myself. Glad toi here you're feeling better. I agree eith eeverything you said it was a soild ep thougha bit anti climatic. I loved all the same things you did and can't wait to see where the Cam/Sam goes. Looking forward to Road Not Taken another great week of Stargate. Oh one question to anyone who knows. Who will get SGA season 4 first?

PG15
January 22nd, 2007, 07:06 PM
Thanks man. :)

I'm guessing the US will premier it again sometime in July. Anything after I doubt anyone here knows.

Mitchell82
January 22nd, 2007, 07:16 PM
Thanks man. :)

I'm guessing the US will premier it again sometime in July. Anything after I doubt anyone here knows.

Yeah I know that it is supposed to air shortly after the season finale likely end of June early July on Scifi I was just currious if Movie Central of Sky would air it first.

the fifth man
January 22nd, 2007, 07:26 PM
Yeah I know that it is supposed to air shortly after the season finale likely end of June early July on Scifi I was just currious if Movie Central of Sky would air it first.

I don't think anyone can say for certain. Sci-Fi has just screwed up so much schedule-wise. You never really know what they are going to do nowadays.

Mitchell82
January 22nd, 2007, 07:29 PM
I don't think anyone can say for certain. Sci-Fi has just screwed up so much schedule-wise. You never really know what they are going to do nowadays.

I know. now they are screwing with BSG too.

the fifth man
January 22nd, 2007, 07:30 PM
I know. now they are screwing with BSG too.

Huge mistake on that one IMO. They'll find out the hard way.

Mitchell82
January 22nd, 2007, 07:31 PM
Huge mistake on that one IMO. They'll find out the hard way.

Indeed. You do know about what's hapeining with Starbuck don't you?

the fifth man
January 22nd, 2007, 07:37 PM
Indeed. You do know about what's hapeining with Starbuck don't you?

No, I don't think I do. PM me if you don't mind. I don't want to go too off-topic in here.:)

wurlitzer153
January 22nd, 2007, 09:10 PM
Anybody got any more screencaps or a transcript. Not many caps in this thread.

majorsal
January 22nd, 2007, 09:31 PM
Anybody got any more screencaps or a transcript. Not many caps in this thread.

try the amanda tapping website: www.amandatapping.com

here's a direct link for the folder: http://www.amandatapping.com/Scripts/Photos/v/album01/albuo82/lineinsand/

most of the caps are centered around sam (amanda website :p). :)





sally :)

scarimor
January 23rd, 2007, 03:04 AM
Anybody got any more screencaps or a transcript. Not many caps in this thread.
Some from Ronja on the Sam/Cam thread:
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=6233986&postcount=556
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=6233999&postcount=557

Ksenia
January 24th, 2007, 02:12 AM
Absolutely awesome episode - I hadn't heard anything about it, so had no expectations going in.

Loved seeing Tomin again - he's a fantastic character, and I love the intensity he can reach. Loved the scene where Tomin and Vala are trying to talk over each other until he turns and hits her - that was unexpected and well done.

Also loved the portrayal of the Sam/Cam friendship - not very often that I see a male/female relationship played out on tv which doesn't feel like it has romatic undertones. I suppose people could probably find them if they wanted them to be there, but I'm quite happy to see a good friendship. Thought they both did great.

Quite enjoyed that one.

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman
January 24th, 2007, 07:22 AM
You mean there was a "d'oh" from Sam someplace and I missed it? Shippery little me miss something that huge? o.O Oh no! *takes her temperature*
The password bit had me squeeling into my pillow so I wouldn't wake up the whole house though :D

Tomin was great! I found him interesting but boring from the beginning but now he's not boring anymore. His developpement throught the war Tauri/Ori has been great. One of the highlights of the series IMO. This is meaningful character developpement and I only wish there was more time to do it in small meaningful episode length chunks where details and hesitations and stuff like that could be shown rather that in movie format where things move a lot faster in contrast. I loved the way he said "He twisted the meaning". He sounded so betrayed! It was beautiful! Five star acting!

Vala's "Everything you have ever believed is a lie" made me shiver! Excellently done.

I just have a question. When Vala jumps into Teal'c's arms at the end and he's carrying her... how does he lift an arm to his radio and she stays in the exact same position? Seems like she would have to get back on her own feet...

scarimor
January 24th, 2007, 07:43 AM
I just have a question. When Vala jumps into Teal'c's arms at the end and he's carrying her... how does he lift an arm to his radio and she stays in the exact same position? Seems like she would have to get back on her own feet...
Vala's gripping thighs... :)

PhatChance
January 25th, 2007, 11:38 PM
I like this episode a lot. It flow smoothly (like butter) through till the end. Episodes shouldn't be a chore to watch (as with SGA lately). This has a beginning, a middle, climax to the end. Very polished. It uses proper time to introduce the characters and developed them just enough to get in their heads. No waste here.

Acting was spot on. Ohh poor Sam. AT did great here.

Fantastic. Three great SG-1 episodes in a roll.

I give it a 8.5 out of 10.

-[SpArkY]-
January 26th, 2007, 01:34 PM
yep, absolutly a great episode!
I love episodes with dramatic Amanda, she does it so good!

Yep she says d'oh, but it's very difficult to hear (it's when Cam brings her coffee).
She also says Oi, when she's explaining to Cam what he needs to do with the device :) :p

I made a music video about this epi!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Z60cy-WhI

I loved it

Lucreleia
February 21st, 2007, 09:29 AM
Although there was that 'fishing' password comment ;)


The password bit had me squeeling into my pillow so I wouldn't wake up the whole house though :D


I just LOVED the password part, it was not too obvious and yet perfectly demostrative of Sam's feelings for Jack.... loved it, LOVED IT!!!

rosey_angel
March 19th, 2007, 02:49 AM
LOVED. THIS. EP.

tomin was so powerful. sam almost had me in tears. the friend-ship between sam and cam as perfect. the moral was sometimes very obvious "he twisted the meaning", but the story was good enough so it didn't bother me so much.

the fishing comment, and the "doh" were great shout-outs. the macaroons at the end were terrific, although apparently they didn't quite taste it :P

maybe not enough teal'c, but his screen time, standing up for this town, was well used.

and the village leader was great. would love to see her again

9.75/10

PG15
March 19th, 2007, 05:53 PM
Indeed. Tomin is just so...understated (I hope that's right word), so that when he goes "ENOUGH!" it really jumps out at you. The actor's awesome.

Mitchell82
March 19th, 2007, 07:25 PM
Indeed. Tomin is just so...understated (I hope that's right word), so that when he goes "ENOUGH!" it really jumps out at you. The actor's awesome.

Mabey underrated is the right word. Agree he did an awsome job.

garhkal
March 19th, 2007, 10:38 PM
He gets my vote for 'most awesome standing up to god like figure' moment..

rosey_angel
March 20th, 2007, 08:40 PM
He gets my vote for 'most awesome standing up to god like figure' moment..

lol totally. it looked like it was so hard for him, like he was realising for the first time that those people he had ordered to be killed didn't deserve to die.

he's such a great actor, his face can tell soo much. when he was sitting on the floor on crusade? *chills*

garhkal
March 21st, 2007, 12:32 AM
Yea... i could swear i was seeing his face change back and fourth as he was 'building up the courage' to make his statement.

Gen_J_O'Neill
March 21st, 2007, 02:38 AM
lol totally. it looked like it was so hard for him, like he was realising for the first time that those people he had ordered to be killed didn't deserve to die.

he's such a great actor, his face can tell soo much. when he was sitting on the floor on crusade? *chills*

Indeed! I was so shocked when he order the soldiers to kill those people. Its was so not like him. I guess that shows what blind devotion does to you!

And I loved this ep. AT was terrific, the portable ring platform was really cool and..well...it was just a fantastics ep!

Id say 10/10!

angelfire east
April 2nd, 2007, 08:05 PM
Amanda was amazing in this episode:) Poor Sam, she really got it bad in this episode. The ending was so heart warming, Cameron baked her macaroons, what a sweet heart:) Things like this are all part of why I love Cameron, he's such a good friend. It's too bad she doesn't like macaroons. He was pretty good with Sam in the room. Trying to keep her alive, and figure out how to help the others.

I really liked the leader of the village, she was sucha strong woman and a really good person. It's shame we couldn't se more of her. Plus she was really good with Teal'c; I liked their scenes together.

The stuff with Tomin/Vala was good but I liked the Teal'c, Cam/Sam storys better.

All in all a good episode:)


And I loved this ep. AT was terrific, the portable ring platform was really cool and..well...it was just a fantastics ep!

Agreed! That was so wicked!

Mitchell82
April 2nd, 2007, 08:25 PM
Amanda was amazing in this episode:) Poor Sam, she really got it bad in this episode. The ending was so heart warming, Cameron baked her macaroons, what a sweet heart:) Things like this are all part of why I love Cameron, he's such a good friend. It's too bad she doesn't like macaroons. He was pretty good with Sam in the room. Trying to keep her alive, and figure out how to help the others.

I really liked the leader of the village, she was sucha strong woman and a really good person. It's shame we couldn't se more of her. Plus she was really good with Teal'c; I liked their scenes together.

The stuff with Tomin/Vala was good but I liked the Teal'c, Cam/Sam storys better.

All in all a good episode:)



Agreed! That was so wicked!
LOL yeah but apparantly he can't cook.;) :cameron:

angelfire east
April 3rd, 2007, 09:05 AM
LOL yeah but apparantly he can't cook.;) :cameron:

LOL Yeah either he can't cool or she doesn't like macaroons. I'm not in love with them myself lol. I can't stop picturing Cameron in an apartment trying to bake Sam some macaroons :lol: :cameron:

garhkal
April 5th, 2007, 01:17 AM
What the heck is a Mackaroon anyway??

Gwin
April 10th, 2007, 06:42 AM
Macaroon (http://images12.fotki.com/v203/photos/6/650190/2314838/IMG_3176-vi.jpg)

I only know coconut macaroons or Makronen as they are called here (which I guess were the ones he made) and they taste fabulous.
And I bet Mitchell can cook, especially with the scene in "The Fourth Horseman II" in mind where he shares some recipes. ;) It just seems so that Carter doesn't like macaroons.

scifi_girl
April 11th, 2007, 09:34 AM
I really liked this episode, thought it was really good, and AT was great

Trek_Girl42
April 19th, 2007, 11:32 PM
Another really good episode that was predictable, but that didn't particularly matter. I loved all the scenes between Sam and Cam, there was some really nice stuff in there, with some great acting by both AT(especially) and BB- great "team" SG-1 stuff. I notice that they're really trying to reiterate the meaning of what it is to be a "team" in the last two episodes, which is really nice. Though "fishing" as Sam's password? Oh please. :mckayanime22:

And Vala! She had some very nice scenes as well, I liked the stuff on the Ori ship, though felt the "adjusting" of the book of origin was a bit.....it felt too easy. I would have liked a little more ambiguity on the part of the Prior- make him a little more honest in what he believes- don't take the easy route and make him totally evil villain through and through! And for once I didn't hate/feel indifferent to the villiage leader of the week! She was a decent actress who made her character likeable. :)

All in all, despite some minor issues, it was a good ep. And I liked the return of the phase shifting device. Glad they didn't forget about that. :)

As for the preview for next week.....oh man. :D
This stuff with Mckay looks priceless. :mckay:

garhkal
April 20th, 2007, 09:55 AM
I too loved vala on the ship being 'tutored by tomin..

katielovesdaniel
April 20th, 2007, 10:37 AM
Good episode!! the best part was when the Prior tired to bring them back with his staff he couldnt.. HAHAHAAHA sucker! Shows you whos more powerful! And Tomins speech to the prior about twisting the story was really really good. Did you notice Sam said D'oh at one point?? And her "fishing" password, classic!
Next weeks looks good too with Hammond and Mckay lol.
Im waiting for the Shroud I wanna see my Daniel again!!
only 8 more episodes to go!! :(

Agent_Dark
April 20th, 2007, 07:13 PM
Though "fishing" as Sam's password? Oh please. :mckayanime22:

Yeah, it was probably written as F!5h1|\|g though ;)

the fifth man
April 20th, 2007, 07:23 PM
I really enjoyed this episode when I first saw it. And I still really enjoyed it tonight.

The best part for me overall was Tomin coming to the realization that the Ori and the path he has chosen may not be right after all.

Sam and Cam were great in this one too IMO. Wonderful performances.

ChevronSeven
April 20th, 2007, 07:38 PM
It must be me, but I never remember SG-1 being this openly violent. I mean, there was stuff with the Jaffa, but nothing like this.

the fifth man
April 20th, 2007, 07:45 PM
It must be me, but I never remember SG-1 being this openly violent. I mean, there was stuff with the Jaffa, but nothing like this.

I don't know. I seem to remember a fair share of violence over the past seasons too. Yes, this episode had quite a bit, but nothing too over-the-top IMO.

g8torgurl
April 20th, 2007, 08:02 PM
Loved the episode... I was watching something else while it was recording though, and I had to stop in the middle, pausing what i was watching, and had seen Carter laying there saying "Mitchell, either way, I'm not going to make it." I was freaking out.
I also loved the conversation of macaroons. That was rather amusing. I can never frown during Mitchell's stories, they always make me smile.
Loved seeing Tomin again. He was a good character, glad he was in that episode. I just hope he didn't die, and can actually be a more recurring character. Maybe with Daniel?

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 20th, 2007, 08:28 PM
does anyone who tapes the episodes know how long the teaser for Line in the sand was?

meredithchandler73
April 20th, 2007, 09:27 PM
I very much enjoyed this episode. I liked the Sam/Cam interaction and I thought Amanda did a wonderful job (as usual). Even wounded and doped up on morphine, Sam comes up with how to save the day. :)

I REALLY liked how they brought Tomin back! The Vala/Tomin scenes were just terrific. I kept remembering Vala telling SG-1 the story of how she met Tomin (in Crusade) and him becoming a soldier for the Ori. It was clear to me then that she felt something for him. I love how she keeps trying to convince Tomin that what he is doing is wrong, even while he is reading aloud from the Book of Origin. When she says (forgive the paraphrasing), "Where does it say that you have to massacre everyone that doesn't believe in Origin? Where does it say that, Tomin? Where does it say that? The Ori are not gods!" and then he strikes her. {gasp!} And I just felt so much for Tomin once he realized that the people that he blindly trusted were doing terrible things. I loved how he confronted the Prior near the end and we see that Tomin has not given up his belief in Origin - just his blind following of the Prior who has twisted the Book of Origin's stories to suit his purposes.

And one small thing - when Reynolds watches the village disappear (go out of phase) he smiles and says, "We have the craziest job in the world." I LOVE THAT!!! I mean...it really is a crazy job. I like the acknowledgment. :)

majorsal
April 20th, 2007, 10:02 PM
so, watched 'line in the sand'...

WOO HOO!!! :D

amanda was great!! :D

(must find something more to talk about)


k, the ep was good. nice vala-tomin scenes (the actor that plays tomin is very good), and absolutely lovely scenes between sam and mitchell.

as a shipper, i squeed for the fishing password! :D

i really didn't miss daniel, but he's never been the biggest draw for me. this storyline (for me) becomes more interesting when they don't give so much of the focus/purpose to just daniel. if he would have been in this ep, he would have been paired up with vala and prob did most of the talking to tomin.

i liked the leader woman a lot. nice scene when she talked down cliche' stupid villager out of cold bloodingly killing teal'c. (what's with villagers being all nice and innocent until they turn like a page into cold blooded killers? hmm...)

nice scene at the end where mitchell visits sam in the infirmary. (and is it just me, but man, does ben have gorgeous eyes... ) but anyways, the scene, the whole ep, gave a nice foundation for a good sam-mitchell friendship. likey. ;)

nice ep. great performance by amanda! :D




sally :D

MasySyma
April 20th, 2007, 10:19 PM
Hmmm. I still seem to be having the same trouble as last week. I enjoyed the episode, but not that much.

The Good:

The Vala/Tobin scenes: They were wonderful, powerful, and well-done. I liked the psychology involved, and Tobin has always been an underrated but interesting character. I look forward to his possible return (assuming he lives).

The Villiage Leader: It was nice to see a villiage leader lead well, and I appreciated that not all villiages immediately cave to the Ori or die. Some try to fight and even seek allies for help.

The Password: Fishing. Says it all, for Sam/Jack shippers. :)

The Bad:

Time Line Unclear: So how long has Daniel missing? The episode starts with the team practically dancing a jig, and no one seems down about his absence. Then, we have this devise that isn't what he made. Where did that go?

Sam/Mitchell: I was impressed when one of the team was critically wounded. Mostly, our guys don't even get ruffled hair, but Mitchell sat around too much. I realize that science isn't his forte, but as semi-leader, he needs to develop more agency.

Teal'c: I'm tired of Teal'c as torture victim. The show seems to have fallen into an odd pattern that the trailer for next week shows isn't stopping. The characters always have the same set of bad things happen:

Daniel: Will be taken over by alien entities, die, ascend, and disappear
Sam: Get wounded critically--scaring everyone or be dupicated through an alternate universe or replicator with a crush
Teal'c: The universe's torture victim. He's a nice guy, but everyone in the universe feels inclined to pull his hair, stab him with stuff, and generally ruin his day.
Mitchell (Jack used to do this): Saves the day, can't handle anything scientific even if it says "This end up," and performs numerous actions like baking cookies to endear the character.

Just once, I want Teal'c figuring out the scientic explanation for deprogramming the ancient Jaffa device that has taken over Carter, who in her delusions has shot Mitchell, leaving Daniel with nothing to do but look cute and bake.

A 7.5/10. The writers can do better.

petemoretti
April 20th, 2007, 10:20 PM
Loved the episode... I was watching something else while it was recording though, and I had to stop in the middle, pausing what i was watching, and had seen Carter laying there saying "Mitchell, either way, I'm not going to make it." I was freaking out.
I also loved the conversation of macaroons. That was rather amusing. I can never frown during Mitchell's stories, they always make me smile.
Loved seeing Tomin again. He was a good character, glad he was in that episode. I just hope he didn't die, and can actually be a more recurring character. Maybe with Daniel?


He's going to be in Ark of Truth

angelfire east
April 20th, 2007, 11:24 PM
I only know coconut macaroons or Makronen as they are called here (which I guess were the ones he made) and they taste fabulous.

And I bet Mitchell can cook, especially with the scene in "The Fourth Horseman II" in mind where he shares some recipes. ;) It just seems so that Carter doesn't like macaroons.

I'm drawing a blank on the scene your talking about from "The Fourth Horseman II". What scene are you talking about? I think he be a good cook/baker. I don't see why he won't be. I think your right she just doesn't like macarooms since she didn't look like she liked them before she saw them lol.


Another really good episode that was predictable, but that didn't particularly matter. I loved all the scenes between Sam and Cam, there was some really nice stuff in there, with some great acting by both AT(especially) and BB- great "team" SG-1 stuff. I notice that they're really trying to reiterate the meaning of what it is to be a "team" in the last two episodes, which is really nice.

Agreed :D


Though "fishing" as Sam's password? Oh please. :mckayanime22:

I like the Sam/Jack ship (I'm not a hard core shipper of any ship, I'm a proud muit(SP) shipper) but I have to say if there going to do Jack and Sam even if Jack not on screen anymore then go with and if there not then go with that. I really hate this unknown - taking bones to s/j shippers then not following it up with anything when Jack's back. Just pick one way or the other.

Hunter86
April 20th, 2007, 11:45 PM
Yeah the writers sure can do better but as it's wrapping up our input doesn't matter as much I spose.
Average program thought as first they put the wrong Ep on as they totally blew Daniel off without hardly a mention. Be nice to see a timeline there, how long was he gone for?
Never liked Vala, never will, I've never liked CB in any of the acting roles she's played (nough said there). Tobin is B.O.D (better off dead)
I missed the fishing password thing, had to go back to recheck the tape lol.
You shippers will latch onto anything like a fishing password to continue the fantasy won't cha?
Now there's be a Tealc and Vala ship cause of the way she jumped up on him at the end.......
Very average

Orion's Star
April 21st, 2007, 01:05 AM
Fairly ho-hum, cliche ridden, typical Stargate episode.

Medieval village? Check.

Random villager who seems to have more importance than he should, and turns on village leader (as well as member of SG-1) in order to save his own skin? Check.

Random solution for the episode problem coming out of nowhere? Check.

Seemingly loyal and dedicated soldier suddenly betraying his superiors because some member of SG-1 convinced him that everything he believed was false? Check.

That's about all I have to say about this episode. Definitely a letdown after last week's premiere. Oh, and it automatically lost huge points for not only not acknowledging that Daniel was even missing until 3/4ths of the episode in, but also for acting like they didn't care or didn't even know that Daniel wasn't around.

flynn1959
April 21st, 2007, 01:50 AM
Fairly ho-hum, cliche ridden, typical Stargate episode.

Medieval village? Check.

Random villager who seems to have more importance than he should, and turns on village leader (as well as member of SG-1) in order to save his own skin? Check.

Random solution for the episode problem coming out of nowhere? Check.

Seemingly loyal and dedicated soldier suddenly betraying his superiors because some member of SG-1 convinced him that everything he believed was false? Check.

That's about all I have to say about this episode. Definitely a letdown after last week's premiere. Oh, and it automatically lost huge points for not only not acknowledging that Daniel was even missing until 3/4ths of the episode in, but also for acting like they didn't care or didn't even know that Daniel wasn't around.

Pretty much sums up how I felt on a second viewing of this one. I did enjoy Teal'c in this, they really should have used him more over the years, CJ is a wonderful actor when he is allowed to actually do something. It did suffer not only because Daniel was missing but also because of the non-reaction to that from his team mates. One thing though, this one is much better than next weeks!! I didn't even get through the whole of that one first time.

SGFerrit
April 21st, 2007, 03:41 AM
Pretty much sums up how I felt on a second viewing of this one. I did enjoy Teal'c in this, they really should have used him more over the years, CJ is a wonderful actor when he is allowed to actually do something. It did suffer not only because Daniel was missing but also because of the non-reaction to that from his team mates. One thing though, this one is much better than next weeks!! I didn't even get through the whole of that one first time.

Couldn't disagree more, when I watched the episode I thought Daniels absence allowed for more character development on the parts of others, as he always seems to take over during Ori episodes. Vala especially got some good scenes without Daniel, Tomin striking her was excellent IMO (not because Idon't like her lol, but because it was very dramatic and un-expected).

And I'm certainly not going to let the fact that a character wasn't mentioned until 3/4s into the episode put me off.

Naonak
April 21st, 2007, 05:20 AM
Then, we have this devise that isn't what [Daniel] made. Where did that go?
They left the Sangraal behind when they escaped from Adria and friends.

The device in this episode was the one from Arthur's Mantle.

meredithchandler73
April 21st, 2007, 05:56 AM
nice scene at the end where mitchell visits sam in the infirmary. (and is it just me, but man, does ben have gorgeous eyes... ) but anyways, the scene, the whole ep, gave a nice foundation for a good sam-mitchell friendship. likey. ;)


It's not just you. Ben's eyes are dreamy. :)



Just once, I want Teal'c figuring out the scientic explanation for deprogramming the ancient Jaffa device that has taken over Carter, who in her delusions has shot Mitchell, leaving Daniel with nothing to do but look cute and bake.

LOL!

Truskawka
April 21st, 2007, 06:04 AM
From Alex Levine's blog at SciFi's Stargate SG-1 website:

"Also, in case youíre wondering why nary a word is mentioned about the fact that Daniel is missing in this episode, the teaser (the first scene before the title) dealt specifically with Danielís absence, but had to be cut for time."

http://blog.scifi.com/stargate/

morjana
April 21st, 2007, 06:11 AM
Excellent episode.

Regarding the lack of mentioning Daniel in this episode, in Alex Levine's blog at the SciFi Channel, he relates:

http://blog.scifi.com/stargate/

"Also, in case youíre wondering why nary a word is mentioned about the fact that Daniel is missing in this episode, the teaser (the first scene before the title) dealt specifically with Danielís absence, but had to be cut for time. "

As several other members have mentioned, SG1 is, by now, used to having Daniel disappear/die/ascend/decend. Also, we have no idea how much time has passed since "The Quest, Part 2," and this episode. Cam's mention was sufficient.

Aaron Craven, who protrayed Capt. Kyle Rogers in "Rules of Engagement," appeared in this episode as Matar.

Really enjoyed the Sam/Cam camaraderie in this episode, Sam's password being "fishing" and mentioning Cassie. I'm allergic to coconut, so I would have to pass on the macaroons myself. Nice touch to compare cookies to religion!

Also liked the veiled reference to Abraham and the (attempted) sacrifice of his son, Isaac.

Wonderful scenes with Tomin and The Prior -- how the Prior interprets Origin scripture to meet his agenda.

Thought the concept of the Ori ship dropping the transporter ring platform was terrific. In "Tangent" we learned you can use the transporter rings without a platform as long as you were in line of sight. Transporting down from orbit without a transporter ring platform...you never know what you're going to transport INTO by mistake.

Also noticed (for the first time), that the Ori soldiers have their version of a zat gun attached to their wrist -- looked very wicked.

Also powerful acting with Tim Guinee (Tomin) and Vala.

Interesting how BOTH the Ori and the Goa'uld have anachronistic techonology -- both cultures use spaceships, yet they both use candles and braziers to light the interior of their ships. (But it makes them look SO much more interesting on TV when they do.) - Wonder who the candle wrangler is on this series?

The medieval village didn't bother me. They DID redress it to try and make it look different than the other 42 times we've seen it, but heck, it's a standing set, might as well use it, and SAVE the money from building a new set for better purposes.


NEXT week's NEW episode (well, for the US): "The Road Not Taken" - An experiment goes wrong, leaving Carter trapped in a parallel reality where martial law has been imposed and Earth is under attack by the Ori.

[In the trailer voice over, I could have sworn the announcer said "Amanda" is trapped in a parallel realityÖ]