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January 8th, 2007, 10:52 AM
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When SG-1 discovers that Daniel Jackson has been turned into a Prior of the Ori, they must determine whether or not his plan to destroy the Ori is genuine.

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daniejam
January 30th, 2007, 12:12 PM
currently daniel has been found beamed aboard one of the space ships and seems to be acting pretty normally and said it was all a plan to make adria think they were under the "power" of origin or whatever

rovex
January 30th, 2007, 12:14 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/Rovex/hdh.jpg

g.o.d
January 30th, 2007, 12:16 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/Rovex/hdh.jpg

that's cool!!

rovex
January 30th, 2007, 12:18 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/Rovex/hdhc.jpg

P-90_177
January 30th, 2007, 12:19 PM
That adria he's kissing?

rovex
January 30th, 2007, 12:20 PM
Sorry the caps are distorted, my picture is widescreen but the software captures it in 4:3..


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/Rovex/hdhcf.jpg

sgaaddict
January 30th, 2007, 12:21 PM
I'm thrilled!
hurry to watch this episode!!!

MasterPower
January 30th, 2007, 12:21 PM
That adria he's kissing?

Yeah it looks like it. Daniel really looks odd as a Prior.

rovex
January 30th, 2007, 12:21 PM
That adria he's kissing?

Yes!

iheartvala
January 30th, 2007, 12:21 PM
Yes!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ussrelativity
January 30th, 2007, 12:22 PM
WHOA!!!!!

I had a strange feeling that might have happened.

g.o.d
January 30th, 2007, 12:22 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

*******.It's not me:mad: :mad:

sgaaddict
January 30th, 2007, 12:23 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/Rovex/hdhc.jpg


woa woa woa
I'm sure Vala won't appreciate it!:valaanime03:

ussrelativity
January 30th, 2007, 12:23 PM
Keep 'em coming!!!!!

MasterPower
January 30th, 2007, 12:23 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I saw it coming at the end of The Quest Part II.

sydney2325
January 30th, 2007, 12:23 PM
Daniel looks mystil in prior lol
but he kisses adria ( it's bad i prefer that he kiss vala lol)

ussrelativity
January 30th, 2007, 12:25 PM
Daniel looks mystil in prior lol
but he kisses adria ( it's bad i prefer that he kiss vala lol)

I was hoping that he would kiss Vala somewhere down the line, but Adria?

sydney2325
January 30th, 2007, 12:27 PM
bUT daniel play the bad boy or he is bad in this episode ?

MasterPower
January 30th, 2007, 12:28 PM
I was hoping that he would kiss Vala somewhere down the line, but Adria?

Then watch Prometheus Unbound.

iheartvala
January 30th, 2007, 12:31 PM
Then watch Prometheus Unbound.

actually that was Vala kissing Daniel. he wants to see Daniel kiss Vala.

SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 12:31 PM
bUT daniel play the bad boy or he is bad in this episode ?

So far it seems he's played bad, but wasn't actually bad.

Was it just me, or did Jack did jack's greens start with 1 star then magically have a second appear?

I was thinking "nice continutity from 'The Return'" but then he ends up with two, as if off screen he has it updated.

daniejam
January 30th, 2007, 12:34 PM
Daniel is aboard the space ship with an anti prior device working on him, he tells jack the story of how he made adria believe he wants to help the ori, his story continues with a plot to complete merlins weapon, commandeer an ori ship and fly it into their galaxy through the supergate and set it off. we see a scene were adria turns daniel into a prior and they kiss. jack who is sceptical sends in tealc who beleives daniel.we then see woolsey who says they have to kill daniel. vala tells daniel and says she wants to help him, but would he want her to help him if her helping him could cause the final assualt of the ori on the ancients.
(sorry if in a bit of wrong order need to get back to tv to watch next part)

rovex
January 30th, 2007, 12:34 PM
Ok SG-1 find Daniel on a planet as a prior, preaching the word of the Ori. They beam him off the planet and surpress his powers using the anti prior device.
He seems to be acting normally, he claims he had to pretend to be converted so that Adria would make him a Prior. His plan is to steal an Ori ship, travel to the ori galaxy and use the Sangrall to destroy the ori. Trouble is the pegasis wormhole to the supergate must be disconnected first.
Stargate command are however suspicious of him (including Jack!) and the IOA have decided that he should be killed as there is no proof that he is not under ori control.

ussrelativity
January 30th, 2007, 12:36 PM
Anyone with extra details and screencaps, just PM them to me in the next day or so.

rovex
January 30th, 2007, 12:37 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/Rovex/hdhcfsd.jpg

sgaaddict
January 30th, 2007, 12:37 PM
thanks for the summary! woa woa woa woa woa!!!!!!!!
So, I understand it well, Daniel is not really bad very bad?

g.o.d
January 30th, 2007, 12:39 PM
I hope they won't destroy the Ori in this episode.I want to see them.

sydney2325
January 30th, 2007, 12:40 PM
it's will be terrible if jack kill daniel lol
Thank you for the summary:daniel:

rovex
January 30th, 2007, 12:44 PM
They just tried to beam Daniel into the atlantis stasis pod, but he blocked it and broke his restraints. Hes now in control of the Odyssey... along with Jack.. He does appear to be a good guy still.

rovex
January 30th, 2007, 12:48 PM
SG-1 have, with info Daniel gave them, stolen an ori ship and have travelled to the supergate, Vala has completed the Sangrall following Daniels instructions. There is another Ori ship there. Unfortunately their plan has hit a problem, Adria was on the ship they stole and is now in control again.

daniejam
January 30th, 2007, 12:48 PM
the team and jack discuss daniels idea and decided they cant trust him 100% so they get him to tell them how to take control of the ori ship, which he does, he tells vala how to finish merlins device.
we then see woolsey come in and talk to daniel, telling him hes going to freeze him till they see if the plan works, daniel doesnt like this idea and overpowers the anti ori device and teleport all the crew to earth, picks up jack and heads off in the ship.

we see sg1 take the ori toilet, take out a few crew members and fly away on the ship, vala finishes the weapon, they exit hyperspace at the supergate and get rushed by loads of ori followers and adria.

rovex
January 30th, 2007, 12:56 PM
Daniel just beamed aboard Adrias ship and tricked her. He 'zapped her with his powers with help from the anti prior device, she collapsed and hes now in control of the ship! He is very weak.
The supergate has disconnected with Pegasis, reconnected with the ori galaxy, and went through. Daniel set the sangrall to go off and was beamed off along with SG-1...

MasterPower
January 30th, 2007, 12:56 PM
What was Mitchell, Carter, Vala, Teal'c's reaction when they found out Daniel was an Ori?

IWKYZerocool
January 30th, 2007, 12:58 PM
s**t more bloody toilet ships to deal with

daniejam
January 30th, 2007, 12:59 PM
Daniel and jack arrive at the supergate, daniel tells jack to get the supergate shut down, and he teleports to the ori ship and kicks adrias ass, then they activate the weapon, send it through the supergate, and daniel turns back to normal. When he wakes up they have a chat, merlin is gone, then the supergate activates, and out come 4 more ori ships.

rovex
January 30th, 2007, 12:59 PM
Oh dear..

Daniel seems to go back to normal, but then the supergate reactivates.. 6 Ori ships come through. They summize that een if the Ori were destroyed, their followers will keep attacking. They dont really know what has happened. The end!

Sorry its a bit rough, was typing as it was playing!

IWKYZerocool
January 30th, 2007, 01:00 PM
that was a good episode, now the question is did will kill the ori

Unamed
January 30th, 2007, 01:00 PM
holy crap 7 ori ships, why didnt they kill adria are the ori themselves dead?

g.o.d
January 30th, 2007, 01:00 PM
are the ori gone?:(

Madeleine
January 30th, 2007, 01:00 PM
Gosh that was good. Lovely to see Jack back, lovely that he came back for Daniel :)

SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 01:01 PM
are the ori gone?:(

Doubtful at best, as then they wouldn't need to visit the Orii galaxy in the 'The Ark of Truth'. However none of the episodes (but 19) seem to involve the Orii in any way so maybe

Unamed
January 30th, 2007, 01:01 PM
are the ori gone?:(

guess we dont know but i sure hope not

MasterPower
January 30th, 2007, 01:01 PM
Pictures, episode summary, etc, please. :)

zer0_1
January 30th, 2007, 01:02 PM
what an ending, more ships, im guessing adrias on one of them

all i can say now is sg1 are royally screwed

liked the oddyssey cloak btw

Wonky Bob
January 30th, 2007, 01:02 PM
that was a good episode, now the question is did will kill the ori

Loved it

not sure if the Ori are dead. going to go straight to the spoilers of the remanding eps to try and find some references

IWKYZerocool
January 30th, 2007, 01:02 PM
good episode, now we have more Ori ships in this galaxy we are in trouble, what happened to the ship that had the weapon on, did it blow up or what, and also did Adria survive and if they destroy the weapon will it bring back the Ori, or will Adria find a way around the device.

mayogaelz
January 30th, 2007, 01:03 PM
got ep!
nice to see the one syllable arguments again between jack and daniel!

Keffler
January 30th, 2007, 01:03 PM
What stops Adria from turning her toilet ship around and bringing the weapon back to kill the ancients too?

LadyWolfie
January 30th, 2007, 01:03 PM
wow! S10 is just getting better and better, i've enjoyed all of it!

what an amazing episode! i was never a huge Jack fan but seeing him back made me think how well he fits into stargate!

Dani347
January 30th, 2007, 01:03 PM
And, for those of us interested in Daniel's friendship with the whole team, please give a lot of details on that.

nemisis
January 30th, 2007, 01:03 PM
THE stargate sg1 episode shourd was trully amazing, spoliers



Im not sure but the ori may or may not be dead... well if so it looks like there followers are pissed lol.

we can now hack ori ships:).

daniel and jack still friends.

plus odessy has sheil

adria got owned!
and all this in 1hour:).:jack:

Buba uognarf
January 30th, 2007, 01:03 PM
from what i gathered this links nicely into the first SG-1 movie...the Ori themselves are gone but their followers live on and the ancient weapon that SG-1 seeks is the thing to defeat their followers!

it also explains how the odessy *sp* can go to the Ori galaxy without being destroyed by the Ori themselves

skydragon786
January 30th, 2007, 01:04 PM
That was bloody awesome!

Not to mention that it reminded you of the good old times when Jack and Daniel were talking. You keep guessing to the end about whether Daniel is Daniel or not.

And the ending? Man, it sets it up nicely for the rest of the season. Excellent episode!

Raj_2006
January 30th, 2007, 01:04 PM
what an episode, tht was just as great as quest part 2. :D How did daniel cloak the odyssey ? :D

Wonky Bob
January 30th, 2007, 01:04 PM
There is only one more Ori story line this season. Think they may have done it

But who knows!!!

DrBravo2
January 30th, 2007, 01:04 PM
Maybe it took out some of the Ori. That would royally piss off the remaining ones and weaken their numbers vs. the Ancients, making the recruitment of Milky Way followers all the more important.

Unamed
January 30th, 2007, 01:04 PM
ok im just after havin a think about it i really doubt we killed them because, the ancients didnt stop us using the weapon, vala built it(well completed it) and it was too easy.

Wonky Bob
January 30th, 2007, 01:05 PM
Love sky +

Going to watch it again

SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 01:05 PM
What stops Adria from turning her toilet ship around and bringing the weapon back to kill the ancients too?

It's possible the device was originally designed to self destuct, however it's possible Adria could just decide to keep it and wait until the original plan was finished.

IWKYZerocool
January 30th, 2007, 01:05 PM
what an episode, tht was just as great as quest part 2. :D How did daniel cloak the odyssey ? :D

We don't know how he did it, and the Odyssey is still cloaked.

Atlanis
January 30th, 2007, 01:06 PM
My summary : Help phase shift the planet!

Raj_2006
January 30th, 2007, 01:06 PM
there is a thread for this already. But the episode was great. :D

Buba uognarf
January 30th, 2007, 01:06 PM
We don't know how he did it, and the Odyssey is still cloaked.

lol, i hope they can uncloak it:D

IWKYZerocool
January 30th, 2007, 01:06 PM
The offical threat for this episode has now opened.

chodu82
January 30th, 2007, 01:06 PM
there are 2 possibilitys

1.vala did not complete the device proper
or 2.ori are dead....... i prsonally belive ori are dead... but there belevers are still alive and are millions so in long run we will win but there will be lot of carnage

crompton20
January 30th, 2007, 01:07 PM
one of the greats

and was it me or did jack make the episode so much better he had a major role not a small one and his chats with daniel on the ship were brilliant

Cban
January 30th, 2007, 01:07 PM
well it has been done the ori are gone but.....................about 7 ori ships are now in the mw and the gate is left for more to come through any thoughts on the future of the galixy

IWKYZerocool
January 30th, 2007, 01:07 PM
lol, i hope they can uncloak it:D

Well if not that would be a brilliant defense, as the Ori did not even discovery it, this also tells is that the Ori ships are not all that as they cannot see the Odyessey

Madeleine
January 30th, 2007, 01:07 PM
And, for those of us interested in Daniel's friendship with the whole team, please give a lot of details on that.

Sam does little but says lots - I mean she is very vocal about Daniel being Daniel and they have to save him, but there's no interaction.

Vala sits on his lap and tries to comfort him; but explains why she doesn't let herself trust him.

Teal'c trusts him and looks suitably concerned.

Cam calls him 'sunshine' once he's back to normal.

I'd have liked more, from each of them, but to be fair what we got was fine; they believed Daniel but didn't quite dare act on his words, and they were more focussed on saving the galaxy than on fond reunions. And then after Daniel was back to normal, we got a nice scene where T, J, V and C all stood roud his bedside and Sam asked after him on the com.

poundpuppy29
January 30th, 2007, 01:08 PM
That adria he's kissing?
OMG

Bad Daniel Bad

skydragon786
January 30th, 2007, 01:08 PM
And I doubt the Ori are gone. Why? Well, Adria DID tell Daniel not to finish the weapon yet - Maybe the Ori foresaw all of this, and allowed it to be completed. It was on a timer after all.. who's to say it wasn't stopped and now the Ori and their followers have a weapon to destroy the ancients with.

But then, you have to ask yourself - If the Ori knew about Daniel's plan all along, then surely the Ancients would have known that the Ori would have the weapon for themselves to do with as they please?

nerus
January 30th, 2007, 01:08 PM
So the Ori are dead? Why didn't we see it, at least to show us that they are gone, and I heard that Adria will be back.

kirkeastmetn
January 30th, 2007, 01:09 PM
good episode, now we have more Ori ships in this galaxy we are in trouble, what happened to the ship that had the weapon on, did it blow up or what, and also did Adria survive and if they destroy the weapon will it bring back the Ori, or will Adria find a way around the device.

the weapon did not blow up it just emits a pulse detroying all energy beings{ascended} and thats why Adrai is still alive, and i think it worked and the ships that came through at the end are to take revenge against us.
Adria survived and i believe that she is now ascended sort of like a back-up plan of the ori so if the Ori were ever destroyed Adria would automatically ascend.

this episode in my opinion was just great however it could've been better if it were the season finale. so you could have it like this.

season 10 episodes 14-19 are all about finding daniel and getting new technology.
episode 20 {season finale} should've been the shroud then the movie would've had a great lead in. sorta like this

Ori Destroyed
Ori stop-measure already in place to automatically ascend adria if anything should happen to them has happened.
and then the movie could've been about retribution against earth by the ori followers

MasterPower
January 30th, 2007, 01:09 PM
Sam does little but says lots - I mean she is very vocal about Daniel being Daniel and they have to save him, but there's no interaction.

That sucks.

Unamed
January 30th, 2007, 01:09 PM
i hope the ori are'nt dead. there are so many questions after this ep i have to watch it again my head is a mess!!

IWKYZerocool
January 30th, 2007, 01:10 PM
So the Ori are dead? Why didn't we see it, at least to show us that they are gone, and I heard that Adria will be back.

The question is still not answered if the Ori are dead or not, and most likely Adria is on one of the ships that came back through.

crompton20
January 30th, 2007, 01:10 PM
one of the greats

and was it me or did jack make the episode so much better he had a major role not a small one and his chats with daniel on the ship were brilliant, everyone just seemed to fit in character again once jack was back

batfinks
January 30th, 2007, 01:10 PM
just finished watching the shroud on skyone & i must admitt its one of the best i've seen of stargate, it has everything in it

totally great ep a clear 10/10 rating from me :D


further to that, as i've finished reading this thread, my 2pence worth is:

Orii are gone and there armys/priors & adria are majorly p**sed and head directly for earth.


but i have a question for you, adria is a doci? and theres also a doci in there own galaxy, so cant adria and the other one accent and become Orii ?
there as close to Orii as they can get in Human form
if so... wont they just start the process over again ?
what you think

immhotep
January 30th, 2007, 01:10 PM
Ok! What a piece of followup to Quest part 2!
Daniel was turned in to a prior under the influence of merlin, then built the weapon for adria in to order to destroy the ancients. He got captured by Earth and said he wanted to destory the Ori by stealing a Ori mothership and sneding it through the supergate.
Earth didnt belive him for a little while and jack and daniel had quip exchanges.. oh yeah jack was back, little anti climactic seeing him back IMO, he didnt exactly do much he just sat in a chair or grumbled about how hed been there and missed it...its a promotion jack, get over it.
Anyways, in the end SG1 try and do daniels mission for him and daniel knows they cant so he breaks free, threatens woolsey whos abotu to have him deep freezed. They go to the supergate, the deadalus cuts off the wormhole and daniel dials out after fighting Adria, oh yeah shes was on the ship and daniel kicks her ass! she might even be dead. They arm the weapon run aroudn some corridoors and get beamed out, the Sangral does to the Ori galaxy but we dont know if it works, or if it can be turned off so few cliffhangers there. I was on the edge of my seat as it was going through the supergate, i was actually worried sick that adria was going to wake up and stop the ship and the device would wipeout the ancients.
Anyway at the end the supergate reopened because its not being dial-blocked by pegasus and through came 7 Ori ships, if i counted right, so we have 9 in the galaxy now. Because 1 got sent back through..

Thats the Shroud, it was a great episode but a bit anticlimactic at points, but we have killed the Ori if the plan worked! So Woot!

nerus
January 30th, 2007, 01:11 PM
But why don't they just do what they did in the pegasus project

Puddle-Jumper
January 30th, 2007, 01:11 PM
Oh My God...my hands are shaking....what does this mean..Are the ori dead?
Will they learn how to cloak all earth ships?? How often will ships be coming through now?? Will they lauch a full scale attack on earth now

What do ye think??

daniel9
January 30th, 2007, 01:12 PM
ok so i dont understand

why did daniel return to normal after the sangraal was completed? does this mean merlin and/or morgan lafaye are still alive and they did it? or did the ancients return him to normal?

LadyWolfie
January 30th, 2007, 01:13 PM
The question is still not answered if the Ori are dead or not, and most likely Adria is on one of the ships that came back through.

i never thought of that! i hope she is saved, she isn't really an evil character, she was brought up to believe a lie and it's the only thing she has even known.

Trialia
January 30th, 2007, 01:14 PM
Thanks for pulling it out, Mads :)

Okay, copy-pasted from LJ as I went through the episode, dashing to my computer at every ad break :P


OMG! Jack is in this one?! Yay! Didn't see THAT coming, though I knew Daniel would be turned into a Prior thanks to some ass in the Quest II thread posting uncut spoilers about it a couple of weeks ago. Wonder if I'd have been extra shocked if I hadn't known.

Still! O'Neill and Woolsey are both in this episode? That's going to be interesting.

---

Mmmmmm, Morena! *thunk*

Aww. *sighs* Always wanna hug Vala when she gets serious. And when she's upset. And just... hug her some more. *clings*

"...Daniel Jackson's life should be terminated."
My reaction = "What, again?! :P"

*hugs Vala some more and squishes her and unPrior!Daniel together*

---

"Crazy and me are like that. *crossed fingers*"
Yes Jack, yes you are. *g*


...Uh-oh. Had a feeling about that.


"Just like old times."
...Yep, not quite, eh Jack? *pokes Prior!Daniel*


Oooh boy. I have a bad feeling about this. It can't be that easy...

...Yep, I didn't think so. *thunks Morena some more*

---

Well, goodness me.

More maternal Vala angst. Poor babe. *squishes her*

I wonder what the IOA will say about all this?

This end of the season is getting rather darker, isn't it? Interesting, especially in terms of its being the last SG-1 will have...

If anybody's got caps of Adria in THAT dress, they will be MOST welcome :D

SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 01:14 PM
Personally I thought Jack was on top of his game this episode. This episode makes up for his wasted appearance in '200' and it was great to see that despite not being around like he used to, both RDA and Shanks still have this great chemistry. Reminds me of the good ol' days. Picardo as Woolsey just adds a very intersting dynamic to the show, because I don't think the whole freeze/kill Jackson aspect of the episode wouldn't have worked as well if someone else came up with it.

Overall it was an excellent episode, and possibly one of the best episodes since RDA left the show. It just makes 'Dominion' and 'The Ark of Truth' that much more wanted.

nerus
January 30th, 2007, 01:14 PM
Does the weapon work once? If not then that would mean that Adria has the weapon and could destory the Ancients ascend and become more powerful and a BIG treat to us

Buba uognarf
January 30th, 2007, 01:14 PM
i never thought of that! i hope she is saved, she isn't really an evil character, she was brought up to believe a lie and it's the only thing she has even known.

she's been alive for less than a year lol

Starxgate
January 30th, 2007, 01:14 PM
ok so i dont understand

why did daniel return to normal after the sangraal was completed? does this mean merlin and/or morgan lafaye are still alive and they did it? or did the ancients return him to normal?

Maybe Daniel & Merlin did it ? Daniel went in just to trick Adria after all & I think the Ori are dead because the first movie deals with SG-1 finding The Ark Of Truth to deal with the Ori Followers

Raj_2006
January 30th, 2007, 01:15 PM
Ok! What a piece of followup to Quest part 2!
Daniel was turned in to a prior under the influence of merlin, then built the weapon for adria in to order to destroy the ancients. He got captured by Earth and said he wanted to destory the Ori by stealing a Ori mothership and sneding it through the supergate.
Earth didnt belive him for a little while and jack and daniel had quip exchanges.. oh yeah jack was back, little anti climactic seeing him back IMO, he didnt exactly do much he just sat in a chair or grumbled about how hed been there and missed it...its a promotion jack, get over it.
Anyways, in the end SG1 try and do daniels mission for him and daniel knows they cant so he breaks free, threatens woolsey whos abotu to have him deep freezed. They go to the supergate, the deadalus cuts off the wormhole and daniel dials out after fighting Adria, oh yeah shes was on the ship and daniel kicks her ass! she might even be dead. They arm the weapon run aroudn some corridoors and get beamed out, the Sangral does to the Ori galaxy but we dont know if it works, or if it can be turned off so few cliffhangers there. I was on the edge of my seat as it was going through the supergate, i was actually worried sick that adria was going to wake up and stop the ship and the device would wipeout the ancients.
Anyway at the end the supergate reopened because its not being dial-blocked by pegasus and through came 7 Ori ships, if i counted right, so we have 9 in the galaxy now. Because 1 got sent back through..

Thats the Shroud, it was a great episode but a bit anticlimactic at points, but we have killed the Ori if the plan worked! So Woot!

don't forget the one from Peagues Project. :D

Dani347
January 30th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Sam does little but says lots - I mean she is very vocal about Daniel being Daniel and they have to save him, but there's no interaction.

Vala sits on his lap and tries to comfort him; but explains why she doesn't let herself trust him.

Teal'c trusts him and looks suitably concerned.

Cam calls him 'sunshine' once he's back to normal.

I'd have liked more, from each of them, but to be fair what we got was fine; they believed Daniel but didn't quite dare act on his words, and they were more focussed on saving the galaxy than on fond reunions. And then after Daniel was back to normal, we got a nice scene where T, J, V and C all stood roud his bedside and Sam asked after him on the com.

I don't even want to know why they wrote Vala on his lap.

What were the scenes with Jack like? Were Jack and Vala the only ones who interacted with Daniel besides the very end? What was Sam doing and who was she talking to?

grasshopper64
January 30th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Inital thoughts, I really need to watch this ep again, so much happened.

Jack was great, I really wish he had done more SG1 eps. His banter with Daniel was brilliant, and as a Jack/Daniel fan, loved the hair ruffle at the end, these two are just great together:)

Good overall team interaction, my one "rolls eyes" moment was when Vala sat on Daniel's lap, was that really necessary, Vala has much improved in S10, but I wish they wouldn't have her being so "cutesy" especially around Daniel, she's a grown woman:(

On the plus side nice to see that Sam and Jack can interact without it being awkward or shippy:)

OMG Daniel and Adria kissed:) So that was the "sort of romantic interlude" MS had talked about:)

Ok apart from that a good ep, although not quiet what I was expecting, I kept expecting a twist, I don't know it seemed all a bit too easy for Daniel, I hoped to see some angst, maybe that'll come in later eps I don't know.

Trialia
January 30th, 2007, 01:17 PM
she's been alive for less than a year lol
Yeah, but she did age ultra-rapidly, remember. So she really has been brought up primarily in the company of the Ori.

ShardsofGlass
January 30th, 2007, 01:18 PM
What did Mitchell do in the ep?

poundpuppy29
January 30th, 2007, 01:18 PM
Sam does little but says lots - I mean she is very vocal about Daniel being Daniel and they have to save him, but there's no interaction.

Vala sits on his lap and tries to comfort him; but explains why she doesn't let herself trust him.

Teal'c trusts him and looks suitably concerned.

Cam calls him 'sunshine' once he's back to normal.

I'd have liked more, from each of them, but to be fair what we got was fine; they believed Daniel but didn't quite dare act on his words, and they were more focussed on saving the galaxy than on fond reunions. And then after Daniel was back to normal, we got a nice scene where T, J, V and C all stood roud his bedside and Sam asked after him on the com.

I would like a explaination about the Vala part please. I am glad to read about team interaction I do love my ship and it sounds like we got a scene to look forward to but why can't she trust him what happened? Why did he kiss Adria? What was the circumstances?

Trialia
January 30th, 2007, 01:19 PM
What did Mitchell do in the ep?
Most notably, guard duty over Vala while she finished building the weapon and Teal'c guarded Sam while she reprogrammed things on the Ori ship...

kirmit
January 30th, 2007, 01:19 PM
yet another excellent episode, lots of twist, lots of turns, lots of jack (to please the jack fans). Although a really good episode it's no where near a good enough episode to actually destroy the Ori, that should be atleast a 2 parter. I don't think the Ori are gone, it wasn't a good enough death for such a great villain, yes we still have their followers but the ori were the ones with the knowledge, handing out the power and making all the moves, I feel the followers won't be half as good without them. They're the ancients oldest and likely biggest enemy, having them wiped out in the space of 5 minutes would be lame imo. I did love the ending, you thought everything was all good and happy then bam! 4 more ori ships come through the gate and they'll likely keep sending more now.

The Great Lord Baal
January 30th, 2007, 01:19 PM
How man ship came through was it seven best episode of the season I thought you really do miss the jack and daniel dynamic

Raj_2006
January 30th, 2007, 01:20 PM
Adria was HOT in this episode. :D

Trialia
January 30th, 2007, 01:20 PM
I would like a explaination about the Vala part please. I am glad to read about team interaction I do love my ship and it sounds like we got a scene to look forward to but why can't she trust him what happened? Why did he kiss Adria? What was the circumstances?
Daniel was restrained, so he couldn't exactly push her off :P

Also, Adria kissed him, not the other way around, when she turned him into a Prior.

stewsith
January 30th, 2007, 01:20 PM
I know! What the heck is going on?? It didn't have a sure ending at all and I bet we have to wait till the season finale to find out whats going on.

Trialia
January 30th, 2007, 01:21 PM
Adria was HOT in this episode. :D
No kidding. :D

Kales
January 30th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Poundpuppy, i feel that...

Daniel9

Merlin was still in his mind and used his 'i'm an ancient who knows how to do everything' techno knowledge to make the priorness temporary (and cloaked the ship - cooooool) to both save daniel and kick ori ass (well, possibly).

loved the counterstrike echo at the end with Daniel turning it back to Vala.


AMAZING ep. This ep and the quest II are why I watch this show. And not just because they give the DV dynamic weight/screen time ('shipper or not, it works well).

kay x

Kazan
January 30th, 2007, 01:24 PM
OK synopsis for you. Quickly written so forgive any typos!

Intro
Previously on….recap of how Daniel took on Merlins memories and was building the weapon, Daniel being captured by Adria.

SG1 on a planet talking with a village elder about the visit of a Prior and explaining the fact that the Ori are dangerous and origin is a false religion. The villager says that the prior was very reasonable and made no threats. This surprises SG1 but they offer to assist the villagers if they choose to resist.
The prior returns. SG1 hide.
The prior is Daniel!!

Act1
Back at the SGC discussing the situation.
Daniel was very persuasive and reasonable with the villagers.
They think that he therefore still a part of Daniel. They agree they have no choice but to try and get him “back”.

Back in the village, Daniel is preaching. He is beamed up to the Odyssey.
He says, “what took you so long”. They zat him.
They restrain him in a chair with hand and feet restraints and have an anti Ori device in the room to disable his Prior powers. He wakes and discusses the situation with the team. He says its all part of the plan he and Merlin have. The team is not convinced. Cameron says – “no offence but have you looked in the mirror lately”
He says he gave in to Adria on the planet as he had no way to resist her power and it allowed the rest of them to escape. He was trying to ensure that Merlins weapon did not fall into Adrias hands.

Act2
An Ori ship.
Adria talking with Daniel explaining what Origin is about and about the ancients.
Daniel narrates that she was very persuasive and he says he let her believe that he was turning. He wanted her to trust him. It is Merlin talking. Daniel still has Merlins personality / memories.
Back on the Ori ship before that Daniel was turned into a Prior.
Adria says she can see why “mother” has affection for Daniel. She wants them to save her together. She leans in a kisses him. A bright light emanates from her and she turned Daniel into a Prior.
Adria turned him into a prior because he will be the best hope to convince the rest of the galaxy to convert to Origin.
Also he fooled her into believing that he would complete the weapon on her behalf.
He wanted to be a prior because he wants to be able to steal an Ori ship so that he can fly it to the Ori galaxy and use the weapon against them. But he cant do that as there is a wormhole blocking the super gate. He wants them to shut it down so he can follow that plan.
Back at the SGC, they are briefing Jack and Landry.

Jack goes to the Odyssey and talks with Daniel.
“this is a new look” says Jack.
Daniel explains that Merlin pre-programmed a time frame into the change to being a prior – he will revert back to himself – probably within a day.
Daniel trying very hard to convince Jack to let him follow the plan.
Jack is very sceptical but Daniel keeps insisting that they shut down the super gate so he can execute the plan.
Daniel says “you of all people should trust me”. Jack says Sam is not convinced it will work. Daniel explains why it will and how.
Jack is finding it very difficult to believe him.

Sam and Jack in her lab. She says that Daniel was right, the device can be used and the information Daniel provided is correct.
Sam asks if he believes in Daniel now.

Tealc goes to see Daniel. He asks how was Daniel able to dupe Adria, why is she not suspicious
Daniel explains that the Ori plan is to use the weapon to destroy the Ancients but to do so they need more power.

Ori wanted to build up their power from the galaxy so that they can destroy the Ancients. Adria stopped him from finishing the weapon so not to draw attention of the Ancients. But Ori still think they need more power before they can use the weapon themselves. That is why Adria is not suspicious of him. She is too busy trying to get more followers from the galaxy to add to their power. She has not the time to see that he is not on the level.

Back at the SGC, the IOA will not sanction the plan. Woolsey explains they decision. He is not happy but says that the IOA will be recommending that they terminate Daniels life.

Back on the ship. Vala is sitting on Daniels lap. She teases Daniel – he gets that they want to kill him. She says she will be planning a plan to try and plan that they don’t kill him – ie she hasn’t a plan yet! Daniel realises that Vala is struggling to believe him. She says she more than anyone understands how big this is given her experience of the Ori. She explains if he were in her position and there was a tiny doubt and any little chance that she was not on the level, he wouldn’t back her if the roles were reversed.

stewsith
January 30th, 2007, 01:27 PM
That episode had no closure whatsoever. My head is all over the place i dont know what to think. We dont know if the ori are dead or anything!!!

J_B
January 30th, 2007, 01:28 PM
I seriously doubt the Ori are dead because that'd be just too easy.

If they are to be killed off, then the viewers would really need to see something of that magnitude happening on screen.

The fact that all those extra ships came through in the end, tells me that it didn't work & the Ori that pissed at almost being wiped out, sent all their currently completed ships through to finish the job of converting the galaxy.

It's cool that Daedalus was able to be cloaked by Jackson, however the fact that Carter doesn't know how it was done, nor does DJ remember how he was even able to do it, gives the impression that we won't see them cloaking & de-cloaking their 304's at will. Jackson should have left instructions in the computer or simplified it for O'Neill to understand. Who then could have told the jist of it to Carter, who could then figure it out.

1 point I didn't like so much was the rush DJ & then SG-1 was in to send the ship through with the weapon on board straight away. For all intensive purposes, they had the weapon, they had DJ with Merlins knowledge. Carter was able to interface with the Ori ship & take control of it. So I'd rather they have kept a hold of the Ori ship. Beamed the weapon off to Odyssey for safe keeping. Lowered the shields of the Ori ship, then beamed all life signs out into space.

After that they could have got DJ to draw out plans to make the weapon, how to make ZPM's or whatever in the 24 hours he had left with all that knowledge.

Even if nothing came of that, they would still have had an Ori ship, along with the completed weapon. All they needed to do was disconnect the gate at a later time. Dial in the supergate, then beam or launch the weapon through the wormhole into the Ori galaxy. Much simpler solution that having to sacrifice a fully working Ori ship for nothing.

Last point, was after DJ zapped Adria with his prior powers. Why didn't they take the piece of Celestis off her neck. Especially seeing how it protected her from Da'kara weapon etc.

Overall I'd give it a 7/10. I'd perhaps give it an 8 or 9 other than the fact that the Ori may have been wiped out off screen without seeing or hearing anything at all. So at this uncertain point I'm holding off on a mark or 2!

Kazan
January 30th, 2007, 01:28 PM
And the second part.....

Act3
Jack is arguing with Woolsey and Landry. Woolsey is trying to explain why they need to terminate his life.
Jack refuses to let that be an option.
Landry explains that if they wait, he will revert back but they can always put him into stasis until they know whether he is telling the truth.

Jack back to Sams lab, with the rest of SG1.
They have a crazy idea. They instead of Daniel execute the pan, go after the Ori ship with the weapon on. They need intel / information from Daniel on the ship, on how to fly it and how to complete the weapon.

Jack goes back to Daniel. He asks for intel, information on the ship.

Daniel gives them the information on how to fly the ship and to finish the weapon.
They will go and execute Daniels plan.

Woolsey agrees reluctantly.

Woolsey goes to see Daniel. He tells him he will be put into stasis until they know whether the plan works and the information turns out to be accurate.
They will let him revert only when the mission is a success. He is about to beam Daniel into the ancient stasis pod. They cannot beam him to the pod. Daniel uses his mind to break his bonds and break free. He has managed to overcome the anti Ori device in the room.

Landry and Jack talking. Jack says he worries about the teams and feels useless sometimes.
Woolsey is beamed down to earth and in return beams Jack back up to Daniel
Daniel is taking the ship and needs Jack.

SG1 ring to the Ori ship. They get into a fire fight with Ori soldiers.
The kill them all and go to the control room. Sam starts to try and interface with the ship so she can fly it.
Cam and Vala go to a lab to try to complete the weapon.
They get control of the ship and jump to hyperspace.

Jack and Daniel on the ship. Daniel explains he had to hijack the ship as he was worried that SG1 wont be able to complete the mission. Plus he wasn’t about let Woolsey freeze him.

Vala is completing the weapon. It is active and ready to use.
They exit hyperspace at the supergate. There is an Ori ship in front of it. Cam and Vala turn round and are surrounded by Ori troops. In the control room Sam and Tealc find themselves having to surrender to Adria

Act 4
Daniel and Jack arrive at the supergate. Daniel has somehow managed to cloak the Odyessy. Daniel says he was afraid that Adria might have realised the plan and would be there.

Daniel is beamed to the Ori ship. He fools Adria into believing that it was part of the plan to get SG1 to finish the weapon so that she can use it to defeat the Ancients. Adria is distracted. Daniel zaps her with the anti Ori weapon. She is knocked unconscious but it takes a lot of Daniels strength.
He flies the ship. Sam and Tealc run to join Cam and Vala to finish the weapon and activate it.
Daniel gets Jack to tell Dedealus (who have been stationed nearby but out of sight) to shut down the blocking wormhole. Daniel then dials the Ori galaxy and puts the ship on a course to go through the open wormhole. Jack beams them all out before the ship goes though with Adria still on. Daniel has reverted back to himself.

He wakes up in the infirmary with the team except Sam who is at the controls. The Odyessy is still cloaked at the gate. They ask if he thinks the plan was successful but there is no way to tell yet.
Sam suddenly says they need to come to the flight deck – an incoming wormhole is forming. The gate opens and a number of Ori ships come through. It seems the plan may not have worked and the Ori are perhaps now an even greater threat to the galaxy?. The ships jump to hyperspace and disappear.

P-90_177
January 30th, 2007, 01:30 PM
We don't know for sure the ori are gone.

Puddle-Jumper
January 30th, 2007, 01:30 PM
I know I am all like wow and stuff and I can't believe we saw it first......Adria must be pissed!!!

The Great Lord Baal
January 30th, 2007, 01:33 PM
Were doomed why didnt they kill her when they had the chance or least take her personal sheild?

Stricken
January 30th, 2007, 01:35 PM
Not seven I counted....

4 Came Through in Crusade....
1 was destroyed in Pegasus Project
1 was sent back to the Ori Galaxy with Merlins weapon aboard
Another 4 came through as a result of SG-1 closeing the gate
Add those four to the two remaining ships and you have 6 Ori ships in the Milky Way with the supergate free to allow more (if there are any)

dannster
January 30th, 2007, 01:35 PM
Wow! Loved this episode!!!

I'm not exactly sure how many ships the Ori sent through but I counted 8 that jumped into hyperspace! I wonder where they're heading!!!!! Perhaps Earth!!! :eek:

I wonder if they're going to be able to add the cloaking ability to other ships?

LadyWolfie
January 30th, 2007, 01:36 PM
That episode had no closure whatsoever. My head is all over the place i dont know what to think. We dont know if the ori are dead or anything!!!

yeah, i think it's meant to be a cliff hanger!

dannster
January 30th, 2007, 01:36 PM
Oooh forgot to mention that I just checked the TV guide and next weeks SG1 is Bounty. :)

kirkeastmetn
January 30th, 2007, 01:37 PM
Last point, was after DJ zapped Adria with his prior powers. Why didn't they take the piece of Celestis off her neck. Especially seeing how it protected her from Da'kara weapon etc.

the piece of celestis is like the protective shield from the atlantis episode where sheppard shot mckay only the person wearing it can touch it

Team SG-1*save the show*
January 30th, 2007, 01:37 PM
i just watched the shroud on sky one. brilliant! great to see O'neill again and his conversation with daniel. lol. 10/10

poundpuppy29
January 30th, 2007, 01:38 PM
Daniel was restrained, so he couldn't exactly push her off :P

Also, Adria kissed him, not the other way around, when she turned him into a Prior.
very funny and good she kissed him not the other way around good I am a D/V shipper so thanks for all the info he wouldn't push her off anyway at least in my AU but lets not go there sounds good thanks every one for all the info I can't wait to watch for myself. Thank you Kazan I appreciate your effort

LadyWolfie
January 30th, 2007, 01:38 PM
i am most suprised that Adria kisses Daniel

thats your mothers boyfriend! :S :o

oh yeah and the "Are the ori dead yet" stuff, that too

Cban
January 30th, 2007, 01:38 PM
Not seven I counted....

4 Came Through in Crusade....
1 was destroyed in Pegasus Project
1 was sent back to the Ori Galaxy with Merlins weapon aboard
Another 4 came through as a result of SG-1 closeing the gate
Add those four to the two remaining ships and you have 6 Ori ships in the Milky Way with the supergate free to allow more (if there are any)

well i lost count lol

The Great Lord Baal
January 30th, 2007, 01:40 PM
yeah daniel rocks

sgeureka
January 30th, 2007, 01:41 PM
Another question: Was there any mention of what Daniel was doing in the past two weeks? E.g. just sitting there in an Ori ship, tied up and doing nothing?

An Ancient
January 30th, 2007, 01:42 PM
I think the Ori are gone, everything else including the film only deals specifically with their followers. Go Daniel, go Jack, go Ancients (best use on non-interference rule yet)

LadyWolfie
January 30th, 2007, 01:42 PM
Were doomed why didnt they kill her when they had the chance or least take her personal sheild?

yeah, i was just thinking... why don't they tie her up or something?

Stricken
January 30th, 2007, 01:42 PM
well i lost count lol

I have way to much time on my hands....:o

Admiral Mappalazarou
January 30th, 2007, 01:42 PM
Frakinel, DESTROY THE TOASTERS!!!!


...What? oh...OH. Oh okay, Stargate SG-1 right....? Actually to be honest I thought that this episode was the best SG-1 for a long, long time - really good. Reminded me of old times, between Daniel and O'Neill - I think that O'Neill should be in it more lol.

Love the episode :)

Team SG-1*save the show*
January 30th, 2007, 01:42 PM
Merlin's weapon was designed to kill ascended beings only. the ori are dead but the priors, adria and the ori army (human followers) are not dead as they are not ascended beings!!!
they should have killed adria when they had the chance! at least it would have stopped her creating more priors

BC - 303
January 30th, 2007, 01:43 PM
It owned, like EVERY episode in latter half of season 10 has, the US are missing out BIG time

i counted 8 ships, + 2 (4 originaly, but 1 blew up and 1 got sent through the gate), there are 10!!! ori Ships!!!
10

Raj_2006
January 30th, 2007, 01:43 PM
Another question: Was there any mention of what Daniel was doing in the past two weeks? E.g. just sitting there in an Ori ship, tied up and doing nothing?

Adria was trying to change him, you see it in those flashbacks.

BC - 303
January 30th, 2007, 01:44 PM
well i lost count lol

i counted 8 at the final scene, but i was going abit Stargate crazy, could have been seeing double

Trialia
January 30th, 2007, 01:44 PM
very funny and good she kissed him not the other way around good I am a D/V shipper so thanks for all the info he wouldn't push her off anyway at least in my AU but lets not go there sounds good thanks every one for all the info I can't wait to watch for myself. Thank you Kazan I appreciate your effort
Lol, I'm a D/V 'shipper also... actually I'm a multi-shipper and have been for years, so that 'sat' quite well with me. :P

rnwhocares
January 30th, 2007, 01:44 PM
OK synopsis for you. Quickly written so forgive any typos!

Intro
Previously on….recap of how Daniel took on Merlins memories and was building the weapon, Daniel being captured by Adria.

SG1 on a planet talking with a village elder about the visit of a Prior and explaining the fact that the Ori are dangerous and origin is a false religion. The villager says that the prior was very reasonable and made no threats. This surprises SG1 but they offer to assist the villagers if they choose to resist.
The prior returns. SG1 hide.
The prior is Daniel!!

Act1
Back at the SGC discussing the situation.
Daniel was very persuasive and reasonable with the villagers.
They think that he therefore still a part of Daniel. They agree they have no choice but to try and get him “back”.

Back in the village, Daniel is preaching. He is beamed up to the Odyssey.
He says, “what took you so long”. They zat him.
They restrain him in a chair with hand and feet restraints and have an anti Ori device in the room to disable his Prior powers. He wakes and discusses the situation with the team. He says its all part of the plan he and Merlin have. The team is not convinced. Cameron says – “no offence but have you looked in the mirror lately”
He says he gave in to Adria on the planet as he had no way to resist her power and it allowed the rest of them to escape. He was trying to ensure that Merlins weapon did not fall into Adrias hands.

Act2
An Ori ship.
Adria talking with Daniel explaining what Origin is about and about the ancients.
Daniel narrates that she was very persuasive and he says he let her believe that he was turning. He wanted her to trust him. It is Merlin talking. Daniel still has Merlins personality / memories.
Back on the Ori ship before that Daniel was turned into a Prior.
Adria says she can see why “mother” has affection for Daniel. She wants them to save her together. She leans in a kisses him. A bright light emanates from her and she turned Daniel into a Prior.
Adria turned him into a prior because he will be the best hope to convince the rest of the galaxy to convert to Origin.
Also he fooled her into believing that he would complete the weapon on her behalf.
He wanted to be a prior because he wants to be able to steal an Ori ship so that he can fly it to the Ori galaxy and use the weapon against them. But he cant do that as there is a wormhole blocking the super gate. He wants them to shut it down so he can follow that plan.
Back at the SGC, they are briefing Jack and Landry.

Jack goes to the Odyssey and talks with Daniel.
“this is a new look” says Jack.
Daniel explains that Merlin pre-programmed a time frame into the change to being a prior – he will revert back to himself – probably within a day.
Daniel trying very hard to convince Jack to let him follow the plan.
Jack is very sceptical but Daniel keeps insisting that they shut down the super gate so he can execute the plan.
Daniel says “you of all people should trust me”. Jack says Sam is not convinced it will work. Daniel explains why it will and how.
Jack is finding it very difficult to believe him.

Sam and Jack in her lab. She says that Daniel was right, the device can be used and the information Daniel provided is correct.
Sam asks if he believes in Daniel now.

Tealc goes to see Daniel. He asks how was Daniel able to dupe Adria, why is she not suspicious
Daniel explains that the Ori plan is to use the weapon to destroy the Ancients but to do so they need more power.

Ori wanted to build up their power from the galaxy so that they can destroy the Ancients. Adria stopped him from finishing the weapon so not to draw attention of the Ancients. But Ori still think they need more power before they can use the weapon themselves. That is why Adria is not suspicious of him. She is too busy trying to get more followers from the galaxy to add to their power. She has not the time to see that he is not on the level.

Back at the SGC, the IOA will not sanction the plan. Woolsey explains they decision. He is not happy but says that the IOA will be recommending that they terminate Daniels life.

Back on the ship. Vala is sitting on Daniels lap. She teases Daniel – he gets that they want to kill him. She says she will be planning a plan to try and plan that they don’t kill him – ie she hasn’t a plan yet! Daniel realises that Vala is struggling to believe him. She says she more than anyone understands how big this is given her experience of the Ori. She explains if he were in her position and there was a tiny doubt and any little chance that she was not on the level, he wouldn’t back her if the roles were reversed.
OK once again Jack has to see SAM THEN he starts to believe Daniel. That really gets me mad!!

your_god
January 30th, 2007, 01:46 PM
Through Daniel the Ori should now know about the Human Pegasis population. You would think their next step would be the Pegisis Galaxcy. Its all about numbers, the more that follow them the more powerful they would be. Assuming the Ori are not dead Pegasis would be an easy move. People estatic for been freed from the Wraith, they would easily fall in line and worship the Ori.

I dont know just a thought, plus they have the device now how do we know it wouldnt be activated as soon as they entered our galaxy again, there is so many un answered questions the writers have to give us the answers before ending the series.

Vala_M
January 30th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Man! Daniel looks bad as a prior, I thought he would look better than that.

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Kales
January 30th, 2007, 01:51 PM
In reply to some of the posts about Vala sitting on Daniel's lap ... I liked it. I think it was a nice contrast to the seriousness of the discussion. She was being serious, and being in contact with him. It was very IC, because she essentially is still a teenager who hasn't quite grown up yet.

[warning: 'unending' spoiler]
And that sets up a scene that we've heard will be in Unending - Daniel 'gives Vala a piece of his mind' and basically tells her not to be terrified to grow up, that's its not a bad thing etc.

Besides, it fits the dynamic. Yes, I know, those who know me know I'm a rabid DV 'shipper, but even just at the friendship/team mate level, she's uninhibited and has a tactile friendship with them all


[SPOILER] She hugs Sam in Road Not Taken, she jumps into Teal'c's arms at the end of Line in the Sand, the scene in the motel in Memento Mori and even the hug (yes, I squeeeee'd as a shipper) at the end with Daniel could all be taken just as her being tactile in her friendships. It's also a nice nod to the Quest II, when she's holding him after he activates the device and collapses, and then when she jerks his head around to make him meet her eyes.

It's the way she is - she'd feel the need to affirm her friendship with Daniel (or whatever else you choose to see it as) by contact, but TPTB wouldn't exactly show her holding his hand and it would be incongruous in this situation anyway. So she sits on his lap, expressing that she trusts him enough to be near him (even if he's restrained and limited). Which is a nice little underscore to the fact that she's trying to explain why she can't quite trust him enough.

I loved this ep - it really blows the possibilities apart for the rest of the season and the films. And it'll be nice to see how they handle the Daniel-recovering-from-Priorness in the next few eps.


[SPOILER] We know Adria survived and comes back to our galaxy, Moreena is listed as a guest star for Dominion.

My bet is that we've destroyed the Ori themselves, but that their followers and Adria are the threat now.

Ha. Romantic interlude. I both love and hate how TPTB and the actors are fully aware of the 'shippers (myself included) and tease the hell out of us.

kay x

SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 01:53 PM
I wouldn't get your hopes out about cloaking. The ZPM was required to cloak Odyssey which means it's a no go for the other ships.

As for 10 ships, I doubt it. I believe it was 8. There were three still in the Milky Way, plus when they went into hyperpace I counted 7. So there is 1 original ship somewhere, plus the one waiting at the gate, plus the one sent through the gate and then that one returned with 5 others making 7 at the gate.

m_wendy_r
January 30th, 2007, 01:54 PM
Firstly, I hope the Ori are not gone because if so, I'll be annoyed :mad: After all the hype and build-up I'd like something more than that.

Now, I've said that I did enjoy this episode. :jack: Jack was back - as in better than he has been throughout all his guest spots so far, he seemed to have more to do than sarcasm, which was brilliant! I know when the first adverts was on I was like WTF? I was totally confused but it was all explained through flashbacks, which for once were really handy. I couldn't make up my mind about whether Daniel was being truthful or not; I kept being on his side and then... not.

If the Ori are destroyed then that's a problem with all their followers that have now just landed in our galaxy because there is, technically, no one leading them, so now all they have is what they know and their religion for them interpret as they choose, I don't know about you but that seems worse to me.

Overall, I thought this was one of SG-1's strongest episodes of the season but it lacked something, which I can't put my finger on. Maybe I should watch it again and see what I think.

Wendy
Hugs :)

rnwhocares
January 30th, 2007, 01:55 PM
Anyone have any pictures? I won't see it for a couple of days and i really want to get spoiled!!

L.A. Doyle
January 30th, 2007, 01:56 PM
Anyone have any pictures? I won't see it for a couple of days and i really want to get spoiled!!

Me too! *begs* :D

SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 01:56 PM
I thought Jackson look great as a Prior. The hair, the eyes, the face, I thought he pulled it off very well.

Vala_M
January 30th, 2007, 01:57 PM
Did the spoilers say the Odyssey was in this episode? WHO is the new commander? Or did they just not show the bridge??

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SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 02:00 PM
Did the spoilers say the Odyssey was in this episode? WHO is the new commander? Or did they just not show the bridge??

AGT58

Odyssey was in the episode, and yes you did get to see the bridge, plus one or two interesting new features, but I don't remember it being said who was in command. However I did need to run to the door for a few seconds so it's possible it was said during the start.

An Ancient
January 30th, 2007, 02:00 PM
They didn't show it until Daniel took command.

(Oh, and its cloaked and they can't get it out of cloak. :) )

Cban
January 30th, 2007, 02:01 PM
Through Daniel the Ori should now know about the Human Pegasis population. You would think their next step would be the Pegisis Galaxcy. Its all about numbers, the more that follow them the more powerful they would be. Assuming the Ori are not dead Pegasis would be an easy move. People estatic for been freed from the Wraith, they would easily fall in line and worship the Ori.

I dont know just a thought, plus they have the device now how do we know it wouldnt be activated as soon as they entered our galaxy again, there is so many un answered questions the writers have to give us the answers before ending the series.

well they dont want to be fighting on two fronts especialy when the wraith are so powerful:)

Vala_M
January 30th, 2007, 02:03 PM
Cool! I can't wait to see it! I've been mad ever since Col. Emerson died! I hope the new commander is as good as he was! Was anyone shown in the captain's chair or was it empty?

How is it stuck cloaked? I doubt it will be stuck cloaked forever, anyway, all they have to do is cut power, at least that's what I think they woud have to do.

Also, sorry for asking this in 3 different messages but I'm reading several threads at a time and I keep having more questions.

Is Daniel back to normal now? Will he be in the rest of the season? Is he back on SG-1 now??

AGT58

J_B
January 30th, 2007, 02:06 PM
the piece of celestis is like the protective shield from the atlantis episode where sheppard shot mckay only the person wearing it can touch it

Nothing more has been said about it other than it's a piece of Celestis. There is nothing about only the wearer can touch or use it, that's only speculation. She was wearing it while she kissed Daniel & he had no ill effects from being shocked by any shield. Then near the end of the ep, they used the anti-prior device on her, neutralising her powers. Hence, if she controls the pendant through her minds, it wouldn't have mattered because she was out cold when Jackson zapped her anyhow.

As for the reference to Shep & McKay, watch 'Irresponsible' & you'll see, that's now been rectified 2 times over in the same ep about who can use it.

Spoilers for 'Irresponsible':

Firstly Lucius doesn't have the ATA gene, so he got someone with the gene to activate it for him, then he used it.

The 2nd part is, that Shep took it from Lucius & used it to protect himself against Kolya's men at the end of the ep.

SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 02:06 PM
well they dont want to be fighting on two fronts especialy when the wraith are so powerful:)

That's true. Not even the Ancients could defeat the Wraith, so Orii foot soilders aren't very likely to do much better, even with their ships. In the end, they'd just give the Wraith more reason to feed on the Pegasus population and the people who convert them. The Orii wouldn't be a reason to make people convert when their own followers become lunch as they wouldn't be able to split their resources in two.

Best to just convert the Milky Way, defeat the Ancients then use their ascended powers to defeat the Wraith, that's if they can even find Pegasus because if the Ancients were shielding us, then who knows who else they would be protecting.

SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 02:09 PM
Cool! I can't wait to see it! I've been mad ever since Col. Emerson died! I hope the new commander is as good as he was! Was anyone shown in the captain's chair or was it empty?

How is it stuck cloaked? I doubt it will be stuck cloaked forever, anyway, all they have to do is cut power, at least that's what I think they woud have to do.

Also, sorry for asking this in 3 different messages but I'm reading several threads at a time and I keep having more questions.

Is Daniel back to normal now? Will he be in the rest of the season? Is he back on SG-1 now??

AGT58

Jackson was in the captains chair, that's it, and using Merlins knowledge and the ZPM he was able to cloak the ship so not even the Orii ships could detect it. However, Carter had no idea how he did it and once Jackson lost Merlins knowledge, he had no clue either.

Yes Jackson is normal and yes he's back in SG1

sgeureka
January 30th, 2007, 02:09 PM
Anyone have any pictures? I won't see it for a couple of days and i really want to get spoiled!!The only pics (though not great, but better than nothing) I could find are by stargate_barbie in the S/J shipper thread: http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=6265087&postcount=68996 (don't get your hopes up)

Vala_M
January 30th, 2007, 02:12 PM
Wow, I'm surprised about that, I figured he was a prior for the rest of the season then he'd die in the movie. So Adria didn't make him a prior but Merlin's knowledge did? How was Adria fooled by that?

AGT58

Dani347
January 30th, 2007, 02:13 PM
At the end of the episode, was Daniel still in that yucky nasty prior make up?

Peoples_General
January 30th, 2007, 02:15 PM
Wow, I'm surprised about that, I figured he was a prior for the rest of the season then he'd die in the movie. So Adria didn't make him a prior but Merlin's knowledge did? How was Adria fooled by that?

AGT58

Plothole....

LOL!

m_wendy_r
January 30th, 2007, 02:15 PM
At the end of the episode, was Daniel still in that yucky nasty prior make up?

Are you sure you wanna know?

No. :D

He wasn't. He's all back to normal.

Wendy
Hugs :)

Trialia
January 30th, 2007, 02:15 PM
At the end of the episode, was Daniel still in that yucky nasty prior make up?
No.

SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 02:17 PM
Wow, I'm surprised about that, I figured he was a prior for the rest of the season then he'd die in the movie. So Adria didn't make him a prior but Merlin's knowledge did? How was Adria fooled by that?

AGT58

Adria did make him a Prior, but something Jackson said at the end of the episode suggests that merlin's knowledge wasn't just in him (like with O'Neill and the Ancient database) but Merlin himself was there as well. Merlin was able to protect his mind while physically becoming a Prior (powers included) and Jackson just played along.

Jackson kept going on about how he had to be let go so he could return, and that he was out trying to convert a village so he could be captured, so his act worked really well as he was let out on his own without to much suspicion

The Great Lord Baal
January 30th, 2007, 02:18 PM
Daniel got to kiss mother and daughter good times for him

SamJackShipLover
January 30th, 2007, 02:18 PM
<snip>
On the plus side nice to see that Sam and Jack can interact without it being awkward or shippy:)
<snip>


OK once again Jack has to see SAM THEN he starts to believe Daniel. That really gets me mad!!
On the Sam/Jack ship thread we have a theory about that :D :D :D :love:

ste
January 30th, 2007, 02:20 PM
that was amazing, oh my god i was at the edge of my seat 4 the last 10 mins, i love when they cloaked the ship. it was so cool, brill episode, they may have won a lil bit but my god they have alot of work to do now, haha

grasshopper64
January 30th, 2007, 02:20 PM
At the end of the episode, was Daniel still in that yucky nasty prior make up?


Nope, he reverted back to normal about 5 mins from the end and the last scene he was in the infirmary on the ship surrounded by Jack, Vala, Teal'c and Mitchell. Cue cute hair ruffle from Jack:)

Vala_M
January 30th, 2007, 02:24 PM
Oh, ok thanks for the info.

AGT58

crompton20
January 30th, 2007, 02:26 PM
i think its quite obvious the ori arn't dead, that just isn't done in ep14, we will later find out adria was still alive and deactivated the device probably

either way am 100% sure we will see adria again

mancslad08
January 30th, 2007, 02:27 PM
Great episode. All the good SG-1 episodes this year are the ones revolving around the Orii MAIN storyline.

- Nice story
- Good action, drama and cinematography
- Good team interaction

but probably the best thing....

JACK WASN'T A COMPLETE MORON GETTING THROUGH EVERY SCENE CRACKING AN UNFUNNY SARCASTIC COMMENT THAT RUINS THE DRAMA COMPLETELY. HE WAS ACTUALLY COOL!!! HE WAS ACTUALLY SEASON 1-6 JACK!!! WOOHOO!!!

Oh and another good thing is that there was ZERO Sam-Jack ship which is always good.

Oh and I will be furious if the weapon did actually work as planned and the Orii are all dead. Surely not???

But yeah, good stuff. After the garbage of Irresponsable on SGA last week I nearly jumped ship, glad I didn't.

Shame Bounty sounds pretty rubbish but anyway, the Shroud...

8/10

sgeureka
January 30th, 2007, 02:32 PM
The only pics (though not great, but better than nothing) I could find are by stargate_barbie in the S/J shipper thread: http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=6265087&postcount=68996 (don't get your hopes up)And for those who haven't noticed (like me up until a minute ago), there are several great screenshots in the shroud episode on sky one (spoilers) (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=40114) thread by rovex.

Sauron18
January 30th, 2007, 02:32 PM
Sounds like an AMAZING episode :)

I hope we get screencaps soon

Iguana775
January 30th, 2007, 02:33 PM
WHOA!!!!!

I had a strange feeling that might have happened.

Me too. I have a feeling that the Ori wanted Jackson to be the other half for Adria.

Matt G
January 30th, 2007, 02:34 PM
Right...

1. Jack. Yes, good to see you turning back the clock with Daniel there!

2. Daniel, "guys, it took you long enough". It was a pretty good plan he and Merlin fixed up in theory, he just didn't count on the likes of Woolsey!

3. Are the Ori toast...we'll find out next time SG1 butts heads against their forces.

Overall....this ep went as smooth as you can get! Beats The Road not Taken to silver medal!

Racingtime
January 30th, 2007, 02:35 PM
OK once again Jack has to see SAM THEN he starts to believe Daniel. That really gets me mad!!

I wouldn't worry about that. Like Grasshopper64, I don't see anything shippy in this episode and I don't think that was meant to be taken shippy either. Because think about it for a second. They've been burned in the past. Remember when Teal'c convinced them that he escaped just in time and they took him onboard the ship (it was Enemies I believe) but it turned out he'd been brainwashed by Apophis and was evil again for a short while. It doesn't mean that he doesn't trust Daniel himself, it means if Daniel was brainwashed into being a Prior then he technically wouldn't be Daniel anyway because his real self would be buried. Just like with Teal'c. Plus I think before he talked to Sam, he wanted to believe but he has to be careful because it's on him if he's wrong. But from what I can see, Sam is able to show him with her experience in the scientific/technical field that the device could do what Daniel said. It's not so much that it's Sam alone convincing him, it's the information that she has that convinces him. If Teal'c or Mitchell or whoever was able to say that the device could do that then it would've been them that he believed but Sam's the one most likely on the team to understand that stuff.

This episode really makes me miss the Jack/Daniel banter.

Kales
January 30th, 2007, 02:37 PM
haha RDA mentioned something like that, that he had said he would only come back if they gave him something 'meaty' to act. He did a good job on it as well - subtle, understated emotional acting and worrying, without being over the top.

they all did, actually - a good job portraying worry about Daniel and their personal feelings about Daniel without turning it into soap opera city and maintaining the fact that there were more important things at stake. The Vala/Daniel scene in particular brought that out.

Disappointed at lack of Sam/Daniel friendship - the writers seem to have abandoned this dynamic, which is a real shame. And the lack of Cam/Daniel interaction, since they've spent the last two seasons building up a buddy dynamic there.

Then again, the first half of this ep was always going to be disappointing on some front - too many scenes we'd've loved to have seen, not enough running time. Roll on Dominion/Ark of Truth...

kay x

Madeleine
January 30th, 2007, 02:42 PM
OK once again Jack has to see SAM THEN he starts to believe Daniel. That really gets me mad!!

No, it wasn't really like that. Sam backing up Daniel didn't add to his personal credibility, but it made the plan itself more feasible. The fact that Jack then was willing to give more trust to Daniel's plan says to me that he already trusted *Daniel*, but he needed Sam to confirm that DJ had his wormhole physics pat. And why not? Jack's a physics ignoramus, and Daniel's never shown much expertise in that direction, it'd be stupi of Jack *not* to check Sam's opinion.

But Sam didn't give Daniel's actual honesty any extra credence. So if Jack thought that it was worth considering after Sam okayed the science, it can only be because HE trusted Daniel already.

MasterPower
January 30th, 2007, 02:43 PM
Disappointed at lack of Sam/Daniel friendship - the writers seem to have abandoned this dynamic, which is a real shame.

I know, what the hell? Morpheus has been the only Sam/Daniel interaction this year! :mad:

IWKYZerocool
January 30th, 2007, 02:50 PM
1 question i have and it is

What happened to the weapon after it fired??

IWKYZerocool
January 30th, 2007, 02:50 PM
1 question i have and it is
What happened to the weapon after it fired??

SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 02:52 PM
1 question i have and it is

What happened to the weapon after it fired??

We don't even know if it was fired. The ship it was on went through the supergate and that was it.

The Great Lord Baal
January 30th, 2007, 02:52 PM
We dont even know if it did fire

gsrce
January 30th, 2007, 02:53 PM
How long ago did this episode air? Just a few hours ago?

Kazan
January 30th, 2007, 02:53 PM
Few screen shots - under the cut for space reasons
First batch


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Kazan
January 30th, 2007, 02:54 PM
Second batch


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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/kazan2364/10_Shroud.jpg

Kazan
January 30th, 2007, 02:55 PM
And the last few



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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/kazan2364/12_Shroud.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/kazan2364/15_Shroud.jpg

Peoples_General
January 30th, 2007, 03:01 PM
Me too. I have a feeling that the Ori wanted Jackson to be the other half for Adria.

Hmmm... this reminds me of a Maroon 5 music video for "She Will Be Loved".

Guy dates young girl, but really wants her mom; except that this time with Daniel/Vala/Adria, it's the other way around... LOL!

Trialia
January 30th, 2007, 03:01 PM
How long ago did this episode air? Just a few hours ago?
Finished airing two hours ago.

MasterPower
January 30th, 2007, 03:06 PM
Thanks for the pictures!
Any more?

Sauron18
January 30th, 2007, 03:08 PM
Wow....Daniel is quite a cool Prior.


And Adria!! :cameron:

ForeverSg1
January 30th, 2007, 03:10 PM
I know, what the hell? Morpheus has been the only Sam/Daniel interaction this year! :mad:

We haven't had much Sam/Daniel or Teal'c interaction since S8. It seems all the buddy scenes include Vala or Cameron.

Sam/Vala
Sam/Cameron
Cameron/Vala
Cameron/Daniel
Cameron/Teal'c
Teal'c/Vala
Daniel/Vala

but have we really had any real good Sam/Daniel, Sam/Teal'c or Teal'c/Daniel scenes?

Glad to hear that Jack is Back. Really back!

Can't wait to see the episode.

CamMitchell
January 30th, 2007, 03:17 PM
I really like the scene in which Cam and Vala put the Sangraal together. There haven't been many Cam/Vala scenes in the whole show. So it is always nice to have one.

g.o.d
January 30th, 2007, 03:20 PM
WOW, Adria is amazing!!!

looks like I'm going to sleep after ********** it:)

Daniel Jackson
January 30th, 2007, 03:35 PM
Someone quote this and tell me if RDA had a large role in this episode. By large, I'm thinking of SG:A "The Real World" and "The Return" instead of his 5-minute cameos in "Avalon, Part 1," "Origin," and "200."

Thanks!

Sprinkles
January 30th, 2007, 03:35 PM
I know, what the hell? Morpheus has been the only Sam/Daniel interaction this year! :mad:


There was one lovely beat (IMO) when Sam put her hand on Daniels head to check if he was ok when he turned back human.

Synopsis later but suffice to say I thought this episode was excellent :) very very happy about the old team/ new team interaction :)

flynn1959
January 30th, 2007, 03:36 PM
Wow! What an amazing episode! Jack and Daniel still have such wonderful chemistry their scenes together were electric. I loved the hair ruffle and the sleepyhead comment. They have such a deep, everlasting friendship I can just imagine the two of them going fishing at the cabin for a few days while Daniel recovers. I loved the whole team in this one, so much concern for Daniel, it was a really wonderful episode I give it 10/10.

I can't believe that it is nearing the end it is better than ever. If this was to be Jacks last appearence it couldn't have been better.

Great team feeling, no ship, Jack... what more could anyone want.

Michael Shanks acted his socks off!!

Racingtime
January 30th, 2007, 03:36 PM
I like how they did some callbacks to their older episodes especially Jack saying that they'll kill Daniel "over his dead body" which is similar to when he says they'd admit Daniel was guilty "over his dead body" in Meridian. I always like episodes that go back to the team and so far this second half of the season is doing a better job at that (though I'd still like to see more interaction between Daniel, Teal'c, and Sam). It's even better to me with Jack there and actually involved with what's going on and like I said in my other post, I do very much miss the Daniel/Jack interactions which I loved seeing again in this episode. I guess we'll have to see if they can keep it up now that The Shroud is over or if they'll go back to pairing them all up in the same way as they did too often in the beginning of S10.

Starxgate
January 30th, 2007, 03:50 PM
Jack & Daniel = classic :cool: ;) :cool:

mancslad08
January 30th, 2007, 03:50 PM
no ship

Best part of the whole episode

CamMitchell
January 30th, 2007, 03:51 PM
Someone quote this and tell me if RDA had a large role in this episode. By large, I'm thinking of SG:A "The Real World" and "The Return" instead of his 5-minute cameos in "Avalon, Part 1," "Origin," and "200."

Thanks!

RDA has a large role, not quite as large as in THE RETURN, but way larger than in AVALON and ORIGON, kind of as large as in the real world (maybe even a little larger)

Kazan
January 30th, 2007, 04:01 PM
OK, few more pictures for those that asked



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/kazan2364/16_Shroud.jpg
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Kazan
January 30th, 2007, 04:03 PM
Very last batch - enjoy!


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Starxgate
January 30th, 2007, 04:17 PM
How could they leave us hanging like that ? My guess is that the Ori are dead & the Priors = very pissed off

Daniel Jackson
January 30th, 2007, 04:26 PM
RDA has a large role, not quite as large as in THE RETURN, but way larger than in AVALON and ORIGON, kind of as large as in the real world (maybe even a little larger)
YAY! :D :jack:

lunarleviathan
January 30th, 2007, 04:32 PM
I hope the Ori aren't "dead"...

but the storyline for the first SG-1 movie which is meant to rap up the Ori story reads; "As SG-1 searches for an Ancient artifact which they hope can defeat the armies of the Ori..." (Gateworld News (http://gateworld.net/news/2007/01/mgm_reveals_movie_storylines.shtml)) I didn't pay much attention to this wording when I first read it, but after this episode the same term is used to refer to the followers minus the Ori. Might be worthy of note, hopefully I'm reading to much into it though!

Anyway, I hope they're not dead, but I don't think the weapon was a flat out failure... perhaps Adria tampered with it during the time Daniel was captured and she was meant to be finishing it herself? I guess we'll have to wait and see...

I'm not much one for big build-ups followed by an "ah crap, it didn't work", but this was an exceptional episode!!! The Jack & Daniel stuff was classic SG-1 banter, loved it.

Oh and... I thought Jack was above Landry in the chain of command? What's with the "Sir"???

Dromag67
January 30th, 2007, 05:17 PM
What an awesome episode.

Tons of good stuff happened, kept me guessing on whether Daniel was actually good or not, I admit I had my doubts. Adria was definently hot, seems like she gets hotter every episode shes in. :D

Daniel and Jack scenes were done really well, espeically when Daniel brought up what Ba'al did to him back in season 6, glad they remembered that. Nice to see the Anti-Prior device again. These episodes with Jack only make me want more. :mad:

Left us a big cliffhanger about the Ori, should definently be interesting.

Gotta rewatch this one.

Kales
January 30th, 2007, 05:19 PM
I'm not much one for big build-ups followed by an "ah crap, it didn't work", but this was an exceptional episode!!! The Jack & Daniel stuff was classic SG-1 banter, loved it.

Oh and... I thought Jack was above Landry in the chain of command? What's with the "Sir"???

That is strange, he is - he's director of homeworld security, which puts him above the commander at the SGC. And also - harking back to those 5 min cameos in avalon etc. - he addresses him as 'Hank' and hints he had something to do with getting him the job at the SGC, suggesting old buddy-ness or serving together. Hmm, that is a bit of a plot hole hehe.

Hmmm - the Ori. I don't think they're dead. Why? Because of one line of Daniel's in the pegasus project - "I don't pretend to know what that battle will look like or on what battlefield it'll take place" ... - and one line of Morgan's - "Surely some of you believe it" - "Not enough" - I don't know about anyone else but I could practically feel an unspoken 'yet' at the end of that.

And more than that ... How cool would a battle like that look if it was on our plane of existence?! Glowly things charging at each other, the sky exploding with light and flames etc? Hehe. My main reason is kind of shallow ... I don't think TPTB can resist such a cool concept/sfx opportunity in Ark of Truth. I'm imagining the finale of Ark of Truth as being one of those - like season 8, Reckoning - where they jump around various battles/pivotal events. And I think one of them will be the Ori attacking the Ancients and them defending themselves.

Kazan, thanks so much for the screen caps, you own. I feel a wallpaper coming on ... :D
kay x

SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 05:41 PM
Oh and... I thought Jack was above Landry in the chain of command? What's with the "Sir"???

Although Jack is Landry's superior officer, Jack has only been a two star general since the start of season nine. This would make Landry the senior officer as he's been a two star for longer.

So the sir seems more of a matter of courtesy. If Jack had issued Landry an order, then Jack would be the one being called sir. At least that's how I understand it, but i'm not military minded so someone else could probably confirm this or blow big holes in it.

Agent_Dark
January 30th, 2007, 06:14 PM
Am I the only one that wasn't that thrilled by the Jack and Daniel banter? They both sounded off to me, especially Daniel. He seemed to be acting more like an immature little kid than anything (may not have helped that I had just watched One False Step the other night, which makes The Shroud's banter really lame in comparison). The jack and daniel 'banter' in The Shroud was actually everything I dislike about how they usually do the Daniel/Vala stuff... on the other hand the Daniel/Vala scene in this ep was great.

Also, massively disappointed that there was no Prior!Daniel stuff. It was basically just Daniel looking kinda like a prior and that was it. And I don't understand how Daniel was able to defeat Adria so easily? Adria is nothing without the little shield she has? So much for being all powerful... ;o

Carter commanding the Odyssey was pretty cool, so was the fact that she can fly the Ori ships now. I wonder if Earth will get to capture any - would make up for all those Goa'uld motherships that they kept having to destroy lol.

I guess the Ori are gonna launch an all out attack on Earth now. Probably what Dominion is gonna be about. And I wonder if Merlin's Device would kill Adria (if it did in fact go off)?

sgeureka
January 30th, 2007, 06:14 PM
Wow, this episode made me realize how much I missed Jack's energy from S9+S10, but at the same time it proved that I no longer consider Mitchell and Vala as outsiders. They carries several scenes, and it felt completely natural.

Some screenshots that I felt were missing to get a mental image/feeling of the episode without having watched it (though some of the scenes have been posted by others by now):
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sgeureka
January 30th, 2007, 06:15 PM
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SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 06:20 PM
I loved the banter, as despite being a serious situation, both were acting like they had countless times before even when the situation was serious.

As for Adria, it wouldn't kill her. She's supposed to show up at least once before the end of the series (in 'Dominion') and plus you've also got this from the end of season nine.

KVASIR: It is an energy transfer device similar to a Zero Point Module, except that the energy is channelled not from subspace into ordinary space-time but rather into the dimension occupied by ascended beings.

CARTER: And this energy is harmful to them in some way?

KVASIR: It is a form of interference. A simple analogy would be two standing waves cancelling each other out. If the weapon indeed works the way Merlin's writings imply, we would simply need to activate it and send it to the Ori galaxy and they would be eliminated.

So he device isn't explosive, it just creates an energy that would kill the Orii and not anything else.

ussrelativity
January 30th, 2007, 06:24 PM
I counted at least 7 Ori ships from the shots posted.

Agent_Dark
January 30th, 2007, 06:26 PM
As for Adria, it wouldn't kill her. She's supposed to show up at least once before the end of the series (in 'Dominion') and plus you've also got this from the end of season nine.

KVASIR: It is an energy transfer device similar to a Zero Point Module, except that the energy is channelled not from subspace into ordinary space-time but rather into the dimension occupied by ascended beings.

CARTER: And this energy is harmful to them in some way?

KVASIR: It is a form of interference. A simple analogy would be two standing waves cancelling each other out. If the weapon indeed works the way Merlin's writings imply, we would simply need to activate it and send it to the Ori galaxy and they would be eliminated.

So he device isn't explosive, it just creates an energy that would kill the Orii and not anything else.
So maybe the Ori themselves are defeated, but Adria is still around and sets herself up as the central figure of the Ori Religion? And that's what the movies are about?

rnwhocares
January 30th, 2007, 06:29 PM
Thanks "sgeureka" for the screen shots. They were GREAT!!!:)

L.A. Doyle
January 30th, 2007, 06:31 PM
Mmmmm...sounds like an interesting episode. Thanks for all the caps and I can't wait to see it. I really can't wait to see Jack with his old team again. :jack: :sam: :daniel: :tealc:

rnwhocares
January 30th, 2007, 06:32 PM
Ok , for everyone who has seen the episode-What is the great sacrifice Jack was supposed to have made?

MasterPower
January 30th, 2007, 06:34 PM
Nice pictures. Can't wait to see it.

Agent_Dark
January 30th, 2007, 06:39 PM
Ok , for everyone who has seen the episode-What is the great sacrifice Jack was supposed to have made?

Uhh, missed his lunch because he had to fly to the SGC? :confused:

There wasn't any sacrifice Jack had to make....

SaberBlade
January 30th, 2007, 06:47 PM
I counted at least 7 Ori ships from the shots posted.

Making 8 in total if you count the third Orii ship in the Milky Way but wasn't seen in this episode.

Dromag67
January 30th, 2007, 06:49 PM
And I don't understand how Daniel was able to defeat Adria so easily? Adria is nothing without the little shield she has? So much for being all powerful... ;o


Daniel took the Anti-Prior device with him down to the ship to disable her powers, that is why she couldn't see into his mind at the end, all he had to go through was the shield.

Dromag67
January 30th, 2007, 06:50 PM
Uhh, missed his lunch because he had to fly to the SGC? :confused:

There wasn't any sacrifice Jack had to make....

Or no cake?

StayingOccupied
January 30th, 2007, 08:25 PM
Not seven I counted....

4 Came Through in Crusade....
1 was destroyed in Pegasus Project
1 was sent back to the Ori Galaxy with Merlins weapon aboard
Another 4 came through as a result of SG-1 closeing the gate
Add those four to the two remaining ships and you have 6 Ori ships in the Milky Way with the supergate free to allow more (if there are any)

I just watched it again. They show 4 coming through. But only 1 was waiting at the gate on our side. Not all 3 of the remaining ones here in the milky way. Then 7 shot off into hyperspace. So it looked like 6 new ones, and one of the ones from our galaxy(the one adria was waiting in). So that would make 8 in the MW.


*edit* i guess this was already cleared up. I thought i was on the last page when i read this, but i wasnt.

Cap116
January 30th, 2007, 08:49 PM
Very Good Episode. I really enojyed it.

markaudette
January 30th, 2007, 08:56 PM
Now because the movies are going to be dealing with the Ori storyline, we're not going to get very much closure with the SG-1 storyline as far as the Ori are concerned. Which is fine since we're getting an entire movie about it.

I can't help but feel the remainder of the episodes are going to be filler episodes. Even "Unending" sounds like a filler episode.

Something funny about the copy of the episode I watched was pitched a little too high for some reason. Everyone was talking in a slightly higher timbre as usual. The funniest thing of all is that throughout the whole episode, Micheal Shanks sounded just like a higher pitched Thor. Which makes sense since he does the voice for Thor.

And talk about the most abrupt endings of any of the episodes of the series ...jeez!

Looks like "Dominion" will be about the last episode we'll get dealing with the Ori before the series ends.

And the acting between Mr's Anderson and Shanks was the real treat of this episode.

:jack: :daniel:

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 30th, 2007, 09:03 PM
Finished watching the episode moments ago (yes, I'm trying different intros). The episode was slightly (and I stress slightly) worse than I thought. However, I didn't expect the ending with the Ori Ships coming through the Supergate. The Jack/Daniel scenes were funny, particularly the first one. I give it a ****.

I've got to say, RDA's age is getting to him, I can see wrinkles now :(.

Best episodes of Season 10
-200
-The Shroud
-Counterstrike

Second half episodes I plan to buy when it comes to iTunes (when it starts airing on Sci-Fi in April
-The Return Part 2
-The Tao of Rodney
-The Shroud
-Unending (even if it sucks)

helio9
January 30th, 2007, 09:17 PM
I give it a ****.


It took a while, but I finally figured out you meant 4 stars and not, you know, ****, or ****, or even ****. :D

Overall I liked this episode. It puts an end in sight for the Ori at least.

A couple details I noticed were that Daniel didnt have the failsafe thing that Gerak did that caused him to self-destruct when he betrayed the Ori. You would think they would have included that.

Also, the Ori already had ships in the galaxy...why not make another supergate? All they need is a planet with a stargate, which they can find, and a ship or two to cover them while its being built. Even if it requires a black hole at the other end to operate, the Asgard can make those, the Ori should be able to (I think they did, in Beachhead). I guess I'm just not sure why SG-1 blocking one supergate was that big of a barrier to them.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
January 30th, 2007, 09:42 PM
so if you could compare Counterstrike to the shroud which one would win?

Stef
January 30th, 2007, 09:50 PM
Here are some of screen captures for the episodes...
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-Stef

Madeleine
January 30th, 2007, 10:11 PM
Ok , for everyone who has seen the episode-What is the great sacrifice Jack was supposed to have made?

Daniel, I reckon. The IOC via Woolsey instructed them to terminate Dr Jackson's life. None of SG-1 seemed terribly keen on the idea, and Jack said "over my dead body," which would indicate that had he had to let them kill Daniel it would have been a sacrifice.

PG15
January 30th, 2007, 10:27 PM
AWESOME, AWESOME TO THE MAX.

So yeah, uh, you know that feeling when your delivered pizza was suddenly, not only edible, but delicious? And then, uh, you find a winning lottery ticket stuck to the bottom of the box? Oh, and then a hot, yet intellegent chick shows up at the door, wanting to have sex with you? Yeah, that was The Shroud.

Like with many other AWESOME TO THE MAX episodes, I'll forego the "point" system and just type out a review of a sort. I pretty much had my mouth hanging open (for the lolz) throughout the entire episode, and my heart doubled its beating speed during the teaser, since I knew what was gonna happen, and I knew the Stargate directors would want to milk that moment. And I was not disappointed.

Once again, I found myself "directing" the SG1 theme song, just like in Pegasus Project; hey, that episode was AWESOME TO THE MAX too! :D

Seriously though, I think it's very obvious now that I found this episode to be AWESOME TO THE MAX-ILY enjoyable. It had literally everything; SG1 was in the field, Jack(!), Jack and Danny banter, plot twists that I don't see coming, a huge, crazy-a** plan, great SFX, great action, humor up the wazoo, shippy moments; also up the wazoo, you name it, and it's here. And for this reason, Shroud is one of the best episodes of SG1, evah!

Jack gave his best performance since Moebius (maybe even before that). He shone during the first scene with Danny, and the banter between them was an art; even being apart for so long doesn't change that. Like the Jack we all know and love, he kept his cool throughout the episode, and stuck up for Danny till the end (even through his God-like snark). Lastly, who can forget his "crazy, nuts, wacko" callback? That was, oh, I don't know...AWESOME, TO THE MAX.

I wish I had more to say about Jack, but you really can't go on and on about something that's perfect.

Now, Daniel. I loved the surprise that he was actually totally in control, mentally; of course, with the others so brainwashed from a lifetime of Origin, you wonder if all Priors have freewill, but choose to stick to the will of the Ori, just because. Anyway, getting back to Danny; Shanks portrayed him expertly, as always; we saw the AbsolutePower!Danny in that short "use the force" scene with Woolsey, but we also saw Team!Danny when he was talking to Jack (Merlin!). Again, I can't really say more since Shanks just oozed AWESOME TO THE MAX-NESS in this episode.

As for the others, even though they sort of played second fiddle in this episode, they still shone with what they had. Sam was the technohead once again, Cameron dished out the...Cam-ness, Teal'c was the expert interrogator and kicked plenty of a**, and of course, Vala was, well, Vala. I loved the scene she had with Prior!Danny, and I think it really says that the D/V ship is going somewhere (ok, that, and words from a certain TPTB). For once, I'm happy; you see, I've learned through another show that love and relationships (as long as it doesn't take over the show) is a good thing to have.

Finally, we have the ending; as this is the beginning of the end, I was hoping for some development in the Invasion department, and they delivered. So now the Ori can start sending more ships through and we're royally screwed...I CAN'T WAIT!!

This was just one of the best episodes, everyone had their thing, and all the ingredience of an exciting hour were packed in tight into The Shroud. I guess, I don't know, it was just...AWESOME, AWESOME TO THE MAX!!

Score: 10^10/10

EDIT: I haven't read the thread yet, but did anyone else notice that Jack's voice was higher-pitched?

unruhbrady
January 30th, 2007, 10:42 PM
Also, the Ori already had ships in the galaxy...why not make another supergate? All they need is a planet with a stargate, which they can find, and a ship or two to cover them while its being built. Even if it requires a black hole at the other end to operate, the Asgard can make those, the Ori should be able to (I think they did, in Beachhead). I guess I'm just not sure why SG-1 blocking one supergate was that big of a barrier to them. Cant have multiple gates on a planet. No multiple supergates per galaxy. (address conflict) (i see earth biulding a supergate network soon!!!!)

Calicto
January 30th, 2007, 10:47 PM
Twas a good episode. But here a few things.

1. Why does SG-1 have to save the day essentally, everyday? I know the show revolves around SG-1, but I wish they added more realism. Like for example, if they found out that the Ori were killed off in a similar manner with the Sangraal by another more advanced race in another galaxy or even the Milky Way BEFORE the Ori warship was sent back, that would add a sense of realistic.

With the Ori destruction, you can beat the dog more than once. The followers are never going to know that the Ori are dead or not.

2. Werent they going to DESTROY the gate on the other side? What happened, meh?

3. Adria - Daniel? Mmmm....

4. ALSO, I just re-watched the episode thanks to Tivo. FIVE ships came out of the gate. In the end, they show SIX ships leaving the scene.

5. I hope Adria is not dead. However, I hope the ORI sent another Orici or something like that. There could be great drama between them, especially since Adria is so kind to her mother.

6. The more I think about it, the more I am convinced, that the downfall of the Milky Way Galaxy is due to the Asgard. Alteast, they should help. The Replicators, thanks to the Asgard, pretty much wiped out most of the Goa'uld combined armada of thousands of Ha'taks and any very advanced civilization, which would have been great protection against the Ori.

7. HAVE ALL THE TECH-SAVVY RACES BEEN KILLED OFF? Why is it that, we continue to see civilizations that are farmers and sometimes some industrial civs. We need to see tech-savy races.

the fifth man
January 30th, 2007, 10:50 PM
Awesome pics. Thanks to everyone who posted screencaps. We who haven't seen this episode yet much appreciate it.:)

"The Shroud" sounds like it was one hell of an episode. I can't wait to see it.

PG15
January 30th, 2007, 11:02 PM
Twas a good episode. But here a few things.

1. Why does SG-1 have to save the day essentally, everyday? I know the show revolves around SG-1, but I wish they added more realism. Like for example, if they found out that the Ori were killed off in a similar manner with the Sangraal by another more advanced race in another galaxy or even the Milky Way BEFORE the Ori warship was sent back, that would add a sense of realistic.

Realistically, SG1 (and Earth) should've been killed/destoyed a long time ago. Realisticness needs to give way to entertainment sometimes.



2. Werent they going to DESTROY the gate on the other side? What happened, meh?

It happened; the explosions wasn't transmitted since, as they said in the show, the nuke was detonated behind the Pegasus gate, so that gate absorbed all the energy instead of sending it through.




4. ALSO, I just re-watched the episode thanks to Tivo. FIVE ships came out of the gate. In the end, they show SIX ships leaving the scene.

Actually, they showed 7. Also, one Ori ship was already there.

Not to mention the fact that they cut away from the supergate before all the ships came through.

helio9
January 30th, 2007, 11:08 PM
One other thing, since they sent that ship through the gate with merlin's device, don't the Ori followers now have it? If Adria gets hold of it, can't she technically destroy the Ancients with it? Or is that red crystal consumed in the blast? Meh, I guess the writers have a lot of outs on that one.

IWKYZerocool
January 30th, 2007, 11:22 PM
I tell you what in my opinion the second part of SG1 has gotten better and better each episode, well done to the TPTB very good episodes.

Naonak
January 30th, 2007, 11:37 PM
Excellent episode, although it could probably have done with a few more character scenes. (although I suppose Daniel not actually being evil makes them less necessary)

RDA/Jack was really good in this episode - possibly his best guest appearance of S9/10. The Jack/Daniel banter was brilliant. "Hello, Merlin!"

Even knowing that it's coming, it was so very disturbing seeing Daniel as a Prior.

The scene where SG-1 report Daniel's plan to Jack and Landry was a tad unnecessary - they just repeat the last scene. Jack didn't seem to know what happened with Merlin in 'Quest II' either, which was odd.

And I don't think it really matters exactly how many Ori ships there were - all I need to know is that there were several, and we're all screwed.

8/10

g.o.d
January 31st, 2007, 12:02 AM
OMG, it was an awesome episode.All has been said here so say only this:"I hope they didn't destroy my beloved Ori":(

Kales
January 31st, 2007, 12:21 AM
And I don't think it really matters exactly how many Ori ships there were - all I need to know is that there were several, and we're all screwed.


Motion seconded :D

kay x

g.o.d
January 31st, 2007, 12:28 AM
guys, how can I ask a question(about fate of the Ori.) on joe's blog?I'm probably retarded because I haven't found out how to do it.

TheReturnOfTheLantian
January 31st, 2007, 01:24 AM
this was truely a amazing episode. i cant believe how good it was, im glad we got to see Jack and having daniel back and shame about merlin

Franklyn Blaze
January 31st, 2007, 02:02 AM
Great episode. I hope the Ori are realy dead. Or are they? *dum dum dum*
Cloaking the ship, hehe.
Nice banter from Jack/Daniel/Everyone he was a lot better here than last time he was on Return II.
I wish I could have seen the device go off. But the not knowing is good too. I am left wanting more Ori episodes. :D

flynn1959
January 31st, 2007, 02:15 AM
Something funny about the copy of the episode I watched was pitched a little too high for some reason. Everyone was talking in a slightly higher timbre as usual. The funniest thing of all is that throughout the whole episode, Micheal Shanks sounded just like a higher pitched Thor. Which makes sense since he does the voice for Thor.

And the acting between Mr's Anderson and Shanks was the real treat of this episode.

:jack: :daniel:

I didn't notice anything funny with the sound on our telly, did you check youer settings? I know ours are always getting messed up when people sit on the remote!

I agree with you superb acting from RDA and MS, fantastic banter just like old times an all round wonderful episode the best of season ten so far, after the Quest 11.

flynn1959
January 31st, 2007, 02:41 AM
Daniel took the Anti-Prior device with him down to the ship to disable her powers, that is why she couldn't see into his mind at the end, all he had to go through was the shield.

I think I missed that little bit, I will have to go watch the episode again when I get home from work. Such a shame, not!

Franklyn Blaze
January 31st, 2007, 02:48 AM
I really hope Adria is dead. Please please please.

sgeureka
January 31st, 2007, 03:19 AM
More or less OT...


Something funny about the copy of the episode I watched was pitched a little too high for some reason. Everyone was talking in a slightly higher timbre as usual. The funniest thing of all is that throughout the whole episode, Micheal Shanks sounded just like a higher pitched Thor. Which makes sense since he does the voice for Thor.

EDIT: I haven't read the thread yet, but did anyone else notice that Jack's voice was higher-pitched?
You noticed right. It's called PAL speed-up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL_speedup#PAL_speed-up), which some people notice when they're used to American movies/TV shows and watch the European versions thereof, or vice versa.


guys, how can I ask a question(about fate of the Ori.) on joe's blog?I'm probably retarded because I haven't found out how to do it.Click on "Post a Comment" at the bottom of an entry in Joe's blog (http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/). In the next window, there's an interface on the righthand side.

g.o.d
January 31st, 2007, 03:36 AM
Click on "Post a Comment" at the bottom of an entry in Joe's blog (http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/). In the next window, there's an interface on the righthand side.

thanks.I hope he will answer:)

The Great Lord Baal
January 31st, 2007, 03:37 AM
Jack & Daniel = classic :cool: ;) :cool:

very true

gsrce
January 31st, 2007, 03:39 AM
Jacks voice definately made him sound older (some men get higher voices as they get older, thats what I guessed it was), everyone elses voice sounded fine to me though.

Starxgate
January 31st, 2007, 03:48 AM
What I dont get is why didnt they destroy the gate once the ship with the weapon went through ? They still know how to destroy the super gate

silence
January 31st, 2007, 04:04 AM
great ep. SG-1 is getting better and better, while SGA is not doing that well in my eyes ...

i really liked this episode. reminded me of old SG-1 episodes. Jack was great, really great. will have to watch again.

fammann
January 31st, 2007, 04:11 AM
I think it wasn't such a great episode. Don't get me wrong I dont think it was bad.

The stuff with O'Neil was certainly brilliant. But that is not enough to make it a good episode. Daniel being a prior has a lot potential but it was hardly used. It was just all too easy. And to use the antiprior device on adira was plain cheap. Merlins superpowers made that daniel never was in any belivable jeopardy. If that is realy the end of the Ori I am disapointed. There never even was an ori in the show.

On the other hand there where a lot of character moments and they were realy good. Best of all of course the jack - daniel stuff (Jackdaniels :) ). But ther was some good tealc - Daniel and sam-jack. I even liked the vala - daniel stuff.

If the plot was a bit better it could have been a brilliant ep.

macktheknife
January 31st, 2007, 04:55 AM
No matter how good this episode is.. I still can't shake the feeling the writers really made a big stupid when adria was lying unconcious on the bridge... then they left her alone on the ship going into the ori galaxy with the ancient weapon.

At the very least, someone should have gone over, taken off the shield and most probably put a bullet in her head. Or beamed her up as well. Or something. Instead of just leaving her lying there.

Pharaoh Atem
January 31st, 2007, 05:00 AM
Awesome pics. Thanks to everyone who posted screencaps. We who haven't seen this episode yet much appreciate it.:)

"The Shroud" sounds like it was one hell of an episode. I can't wait to see it.

it was cool this was a good episode loved the old time Daniel jack banter. now there i think 8 ships in the milky way galaxy :S.

it was odd to see Daniel as a prior but it all worked out in the end.

The Great Lord Baal
January 31st, 2007, 05:06 AM
^ how do you call have at least 8 ori ships in the galaxy alright

Calhoun
January 31st, 2007, 05:14 AM
I thought this was a great episode! I admit, I had been misled by Joseph Mallozzi's "dark Daniel" comments on his blog into thinking that SG-1 would be battling an evil Daniel, with Jack coming back to try and reach the "real" Daniel's personality, but the whole question of "Is he really Daniel, or it is a trick?" was much better than what I'd been expecting.

Nice continuity and character moments, with Woolsey being "twice shy" of advanced Daniel. I wish we'd actually seen Col. Caldwell on the Daedalus (maybe communicating with O'Neill while the Daedalus is waiting to blow the Pegasus gate, discussing whether it was worth the risk), but that's a small niggle.

And the ending... wow! I didn't know the Stargate writers had it in them to a) let SG-1 actually win (maybe), and b) end an episode with quite so much ambiguity. I'm glad they didn't kill Adria (after the boring season 9 Priors, she's a welcome breath of fresh evil that Stargate as a whole has been missing for a while), and since the supergate is again open for business, there's nothing to stop Adria from popping back into our galaxy on the next coachload of Ori soldiers. I admit, during the last ten minutes, I was thinking "SG-1 can't win... the Ori get defeated in the Ark of Truth movie!" but the question of whether the (possible) destruction of the Ori will make any difference to their fanatical followers is an interesting topic, and one which I'm glad to see the series is brave enough to explore.

10/10

beale947
January 31st, 2007, 05:23 AM
Also to everyone who was talking about the device after it went through. It was destroyed, as Vala put in that control crystal that she said would destroy the device 5 minutes after it is put in.

Though near the end was the best has you have expected it all to go wrong and Adria wake up:P

A brilliant episode, but a bit weak in charater interaction, and I wanted to see more of daniel 'acting priory' you know spurting all the orgin is great stuff to the villagers



And the ending... wow! I didn't know the Stargate writers had it in them to a) let SG-1 actually win (maybe), and b) end an episode with quite so much ambiguity.
So true. They have renewed my faith that the good guy's can win, when you least expect them too :D. I don't mind so much ambiguity, so long as it is all answered.

silence
January 31st, 2007, 05:39 AM
No matter how good this episode is.. I still can't shake the feeling the writers really made a big stupid when adria was lying unconcious on the bridge... then they left her alone on the ship going into the ori galaxy with the ancient weapon.

At the very least, someone should have gone over, taken off the shield and most probably put a bullet in her head. Or beamed her up as well. Or something. Instead of just leaving her lying there.

Depends. If Ori are dead and Adria is alive, with all her powers, there is still one VERY pissed and powerful enemy out there.
Remember that these scripts were done before they knew there won't be S11.
Only last 3 episodes were rewritten after news of cancellation.

If Adria is still alive, she is powerful, but not too powerful (like Ori) and she has their whole domain to rule. Specially if she kept her powers. This would make very interesting S11.

Ori were just too powerful as enemies, but with them gone and their armies under Adria's command, there is balance ....


(and another thing ... i really don't mind seeing Morena Baccarin again on screen ;) )