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GateWorld
January 8th, 2007, 10:51 AM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 1015</FONT>
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When the Lucian Alliance puts a bounty on SG-1's heads, Cameron Mitchell finds himself a target while attending his high school reunion.

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MasterPower
February 6th, 2007, 06:55 PM
Pictures, spoiler details, etc, please.

Starxgate
February 6th, 2007, 06:58 PM
It was a fun episode. Vala was hilarious with Mitchells parents & friends. Everybody was out doing their own thing this episode it was a nice change.

esoap524
February 6th, 2007, 07:06 PM
It was a fun episode. Vala was hilarious with Mitchells parents & friends. Everybody was out doing their own thing this episode it was a nice change.

She meets his parents?!? Lord, that should be good for a chuckle.

Like others, I beg--caps?

Starxgate
February 6th, 2007, 07:17 PM
Getting caps ready now & Daniel quoted something from Scooby Doo near the end ;)

esoap524
February 6th, 2007, 07:20 PM
Getting caps ready now & Daniel quoted something from Scooby Doo near the end ;)

Scooby doo! Hee! daniel was pretty funny last week. Glad to see he's got a sense of humor again.

Bless you for the caps :D :vala: :cameron:

Starxgate
February 6th, 2007, 07:27 PM
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esoap524
February 6th, 2007, 07:28 PM
Totally excellent and sorta wow...

thanks!

Starxgate
February 6th, 2007, 07:29 PM
No problem enjoy

ShardsofGlass
February 6th, 2007, 07:38 PM
Thanks for the caps. Any chance you can make a few more of Mitchell? :)

Callista
February 6th, 2007, 07:41 PM
Vala looks like Mary Ann, only in blue gingham instead of red and a bit sexier. (I love that last picture, by the way!)

gatetravel1
February 6th, 2007, 07:51 PM
Okay, In my personal opinion that episode was SO bad.

First of all, the bounty hunter touching a guys neck so hes head start flipping around really fast. Well some people would probably consider that funny, but I just got the feeling "oh no, that did not just happen!". In my opinion that kind of "cheep-bad-sucking-makeyouwannapuke-scen" belongs in let's say Ghostbusters (no pun intended) not sg-1?

Second. Well now a lot of people know about advance technology since it was used on the prom (rings as example). Have I missed an episode, or is the stargate not to be hidden from the general public anymore? There wasn't even some talk about how to cover up those events in the episode.


Sorry for my bad spelling and grammar. I suck at spelling ;)

StayingOccupied
February 6th, 2007, 07:52 PM
It was a good Ep. Not as good as the last handful, but i still liked it. Claudia was lookin good all episode as well. I liked the space train as well.

MasterPower
February 6th, 2007, 07:59 PM
Wow @ Vala


And thanks for the pictures. More if possible.

Starxgate
February 6th, 2007, 08:05 PM
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SaberBlade
February 6th, 2007, 08:08 PM
I enjoyed this alot.

I have to say that I really liked both Cam and Vala in this one. I've never been a fan of them but recently they've started to be something that I could like. I thought Cam being having the schoolboy crush and falling out of his chair was a nice touch, and that Vala actually looked beautiful in the episode instead of all dolled up trying to sleep with someone.

Overall the episode reminded me of Sunday, where you get to see what people are doing on their days off yet something happens that brings them all together.

I think it was a very well done character development episode. I think Kindler wrote it well, because I love secrets being found out and the whole ringing incident was something that really appealed to me. I liked how Lee isn't the WoW nerd we think him to be and is actually somewhat of a chick magnet and there was a nice nod to Covenant with the whole hologram technology.

I also liked the sign that said "Damien Kindler (episode writer) for Class President" in what could have been a weird good or joke, because CL look liked a giant a and all you could make out was A ass

Starxgate
February 6th, 2007, 08:09 PM
I enjoyed this alot.

I have to say that I really liked both Cam and Vala in this one. I've never been a fan of them but recently they've started to be something that I could like. I thought Cam being having the schoolboy crush and falling out of his chair was a nice touch, and that Vala actually looked beautiful in the episode instead of all dolled up trying to sleep with someone.

Overall the episode reminded me of Sunday, where you get to see what people are doing on their days off yet something happens that brings them all together.

I think it was a very well done character development episode. I think Kindler wrote it well, because I love secrets being found out and the whole ringing incident was something that really appealed to me. I liked how Lee isn't the WoW nerd we think him to be and is actually somewhat of a chick magnet and there was a nice nod to Covenant with the whole hologram technology.

I also liked the sign that said "Damien Kindler (episode writer) for Class President" in what could have been a weird good or joke, because CL look liked a giant a and all you could make out was A ass

I also guess that this episode pretty much ended the Lucian Alliance VS Earth Story going by the end

SaberBlade
February 6th, 2007, 08:27 PM
I also guess that this episode pretty much ended the Lucian Alliance VS Earth Story going by the end

I don't think there was an LA vs Earth story, because they've never actually explored the possibilities until now. It's possible someone else would take over, and because of SG1's interference would continue to try and kill SG1 or fight a war with Earth.

Ending the Lucian Alliance could work as a movie, in which SG1 and the Free Jaffa fight them in order to recover ships, destroy their drug plants and pretty much help to free all the people the LA are abusing. Of course the LA would need to get their hands on some uber powerful weapon or device, that way it adds some overall great grand danger

Elitenova
February 6th, 2007, 08:38 PM
I like the part where the woman trying to kill Daniel cross the road and got ran over by the bus. LOL.

Starxgate
February 6th, 2007, 08:40 PM
I like the part where the woman trying to kill Daniel cross the road and got ran over by the bus. LOL.

That reminded me of the first Final Destination movie :cool:

majorsal
February 6th, 2007, 08:46 PM
can anyone share the sam bits of this episode with me?




sally :)

SaberBlade
February 6th, 2007, 09:01 PM
can anyone share the sam bits of this episode with me?




sally :)

Big Spoilers, especially about the end.

Lets see, she blew up a storage container and helped destroy part of ship.

Did a public display of 'Chimera', a so called more advanced version of the holographic technology seen in Covenant (basically a human made version so they can prove they built the technology and that aliens weren't involved)

At the same conference Chimera was displayed, killed a Bounty Hunter with Dr. Lee's public version of a laser (which is basically a crappy version of a laser weapon to once again show to the public so they don't get suspicous when alien tech starts being used in public). Earlier in the episode, Lee turns out to be a babe magnet, and he tells Sam she should mingle about as it's filled with singles, which seems to slightly shock and frighten Sam in some way.

Then off screen, she located a cloaked Cargo Ship, and then tricked another Bounty Hunter using Chimera (along with Daniel and Teal'c), into think they beamed into a room full of civilians and were captured, while secretly hiding in his ship when he ringed aboard with Vala and Cam which of course was viewed by the same civilians

Kazan
February 6th, 2007, 09:54 PM
Synopsis

Teaser
Cam rings to a cargo transport ship.
Opens some crates and find lots of crates full of Kasa beans.

Sam rings into a separate part of the ship
She gets scanned but is setting explosives.
Daniel and Tealc had also ringed to other compartments of the ship. They set explosive charges to destroy the ship and the cargo. The all ring out to a cloaked teltac with Vala at the controls except Cam whose rings are activated and the alliance people ring in. He battles with them and manages to ring out in the knick of time before the cargo ship is destroyed.

The Lucian Alliance leader Netan is infuriated. It is the 3rd ship they have destroyed. He will not stand for being challenged anymore and made to look weak and places a bounty on SG1s head.

Act 1
Back at the SGC
Cam and Vala meet in the corridor. He tries to get away from her but she is very persistant.. She is trying to get Cam to take her to his high school reunion in Kansas.
He is very reluctant and says it will be boring. Vala pleads with him saying her life is boring. Sam is off at a conference, Daniel at a Museum, Tealc off world etc. She begs Cam to take her as his date.

Act 2
Sam is at a conference with Dr Lee.
He is complaining that they cant be too honest about the technology and have to pretend that they are still developing things. Sam agrees but says they have to go through the motions of showing a development process rather than just producing all the wonderful technology. Lee is being given the eye by a couple of young girls. He does say at least the up side is that the singles scene at the conferences is good. Sam is amazed he is managing to get the attention of such attractive girls. Lee tries to encourage Sam to circulate!

Cam and Vala in his car going to his parents. She promises not to embarrass him in front of them.
They are eating outside with his parents.
Cam has to go make a phone call about the dance.
His parents grill her – she says they are serious “although at first it was all sex , sex, sex”

Daniel at a museum doing research. He meets an attractive woman.

Cut to a teltac with 2 bounty hunters arriving at earth . They are attacked by an alliance bounty hunter who takes them out as he wants to collect the bounty himself..

Back to Cams parents. His mother assumes they will be sleeping togther.

Tealc is on another planet talking about a treaty with other Jaffa. They are attacked. Tealc is injured but not badly.
They don’t know if the people attacking are still around. Tealc spreads the rumour that he is badly injured to try and flush them out.

Cam and Vala are at the high school gym helping to set up. He and an old friend from school called Darrell are telling stories.
An old flame of Cam comes over. Her name is Amy. Cam is very flustered. Vala finds it very amusing.

Daniel back at the museum. The attractive lady reintroduces herself to him and flirts with him.
She comes onto Daniel in a big way and invites him to leave.
He is suspicious and says no. She fires a hand device at him but he runs away. She catches up with him but is run down by a bus before she can kill Daniel.

Landry brings Sam up to date and to make sure she is ok.
Landry then tries to fill in Cam but they have a bad cell connection so its difficult to make himself understood.
Vala is trying to pump Cam and Darrell about Amy and teasing him a bit. They are out in a field taking shots at tin cans with rifles.

Sam is being introduced at the conference. She will be explaining about a holographic image projection system . An assassin is setting up high in the gallery.
Sam begins her presentation on as the assassin takes aim. He fires but Sam was using the system to project her image onto the stage and the shot just flies through the image of her. She grabs the stunner gun that Dr Lee was showcasing and manages to hit the assassin.

Kazan
February 6th, 2007, 09:55 PM
And part 2

Act3
Back with Tealc.
He is laying on a bed in a tent, pretending to be unconscious. A bounty hunter comes in to try and kill him but Tealc zats him.

Cam and Vala are the dance which is in full swing.

An Alien bounty hunter stuns one of the male guests and scans him in order to take his form.
Cam and Vala inside at the dance.
Another bounty hunter arrives and knocks out another guest in order to get his suit.

Cam meets with Amy. They are getting on really well.
The first bounty hunter is making his way to Cam.
He gets a call from Landry who urgently wants to warn Cam of what has been happening. The reception is poor and he goes outside to try and improve it but with no luck. He is unaware of the danger.
Cam leaves to try and find a landline. The second bounty hunter takes out the first bounty hunter and follows Cam.

Vala is being flirted with by Cams friend.

The bounty hunter manages to get Cam just as Cam gets through to the SGC on a landline. He takes him hostage in order to try and get the rest of SG1. He imitates Cams voice and tells Landry to send help.

At the SGC, Sam, Daniel and Tealc are going to try and go after Cam. Sam says they were tagged when they were on the last mission when they thought they were scanned. That is how they are being so easily tracked.

Vala and Darrell are drinking together. He is coming on strong and she manages to put him off by telling him she is married.

Cam is back in the gym and gets to dance with Amy whilst being watched by the bounty hunter. He allows them to dance to try and keep up appearances whilst waiting for SG1 to arrive to try and rescue Cam.

Vala returns to the hall and recognises the bounty hunter from her previous life. She and Darrell try to take out the bounty hunter but he manages throw Vala to capture them all. He holds all the guests hostage in the gym.

Sam comes on the radio demanding that he release the hostages. He refuses and demands they beam in first. SG1 beam in which stuns all the people at the reunion.
The bounty hunter has SG1 and himself stand together and activates a set of rings which crash through the ceiling and transport them to his ship.
Except, Sam, Daniel and Tealc were not really beamed in – it was an imagine projection of themselves using the technology Sam has previously used at the conference. They were waiting for the bounty hunter back on his ship and are able to disarm him.


Act4
They explain how they tracked the bounty hunters ship until it landed on the school gym roof and the use of the holographic image projecter. They were able to get aboard his ship and trick him.
The bounty hunter says although he has failed, others will keep trying. Cam says he thinks not. Netan will be made to look weaker because of the failure to capture SG1.
He implies that the bounty hunter will be better served taking out Netan.
Cut to the Lucian Alliance ship – the bounty hunter saves Netan from one hunter but then takes him out himself.

Back to Cams family farm. His mother gives Vala some pie.
Cam is saying goodbye to Amy. They kiss and he invites her to come to Colorado Springs.
Cam and Vala leave in his car.

the fifth man
February 6th, 2007, 10:46 PM
Hmmm, this sounds like a very interesting episode. I can't wait to actually see it. Kazan, thanks for posting the synopsis.:)

The Kit Kat Lady
February 6th, 2007, 11:01 PM
I didn't dislike the episode and it again certainly had some amusing moments in it - Daniel's would-be assassin stepping into the line of an ongoing bus without realising it was quite funny in the way it was done.

Dr Lee certainly had his moment with the ladies leaving a dumbfounded Sam behind.

Everyone seemed to have something to do this episode, which was nice as it did continue in the recent vein of improved episodes.

The downside was that the "baddies" were so obvious, in some respects it continued the episodes line of being serious, but fun in part, which could have proved to be annoying had there been too many more of them fighting over the bounty - it would have been interesting to know what that actually was.

Had an interesting end, IMO, with the apparent death of Netan who I never really saw as a threat to SG-1, just a blustering idiot on more than one occasion.

Overall 7/10 for me - it had potential to be very good, but fell a little short in one or two areas in IMHO.

Elaine

Mitchell82
February 6th, 2007, 11:10 PM
I wasn't sure what to expect of this episode so I didnt go in to it with very high or low hopes. I must say I was pleasently surprised. This episode hit all the high points and had very few lows. Loved the action begining of them blowing up a train of "evil Orvel Redenbacker(sp)", and the big threat from Netan. Loved how they split everyone up and each was being tracked and really loved the bit where Daniels "stalker" wasnt too familar with earth culture and got hit by a bus. Loved the Sam and Dr Lee moments and love that new gun and did anyone think that the sniper rifle the guy shot at sam looked like a scope from "halo"? The Teal'c moments were great as always, and really loved the Cam/Vala interaction. Loved Amy Cams high school sweetheart and she looked very familar anybody know form where? I'll admit the spining head thing was a little weird but otherwise great ep and I'll say that if the series continued we'd likely see more of the LA which I'd love but I'll bet that this is it. Too bad as I love the LA story. Overall very fun lighthearted ep and really enjoyed it. 9/10

RealmOfX
February 6th, 2007, 11:41 PM
Loved Amy Cams high school sweetheart and she looked very familar anybody know form where?

That's Peter DeLuise's wife Anne Marie and you would have seen her in "The Other Side" back in Season 4 and I've seen her in quite a few other sci-fi shows too.

Franklyn Blaze
February 6th, 2007, 11:53 PM
Bounty Hunter + Bus = :lol:
Good episode, I enjoyed it.

Chaka's_Mum
February 6th, 2007, 11:54 PM
All in all a fun little ep to give us a little break from the meatier stuff we've been enjoying over the last few weeks.

Like others, I thought it was a great moment when Daniel's assassin displayed her gross ignorance of the Green Cross Code - where's David Prowse when you need him? Hmm? It certainly looked very, very convincing, too. Okay, so it's not the first time a lead character in jeopardy has been saved from potential nasty death by passing traffic (Buffy and Glory, anyone?), but it was nicely done and I liked it (I'm sure Daniel appreciated it, too!). It's always just after they've done their 'and now I'm going to kill you' speech that it happens, isn't it? Wonderful. :D

Good old Dr Lee - he was just hopping on the spot waiting to go talk to those ladies at the conference, wasn't he? Sweet. Pity his spot on the stage didn't go according to plan. It was a nice touch, though, when Sam used the weapon to take out the assassin, and everyone thought it was part of the presentation and gave them both a standing ovation. Alls well that ends well!

Good stuff. I liked it.

silence
February 6th, 2007, 11:55 PM
pretty good epizode ... nice to see they can write ep that takes place on Earth and isn't just filler .. it really had some great moments ... i was surprised at how good it was ...

coolove
February 7th, 2007, 12:55 AM
There were a lot of things I liked about this episode: having the Peter Deluise and Damian Kindler posters all around the school were great. Vala and Cam were pure gold; much props to Ben and Claudia for their continued amazing chemistry together. Speaking of... I didn't see any chemistry between Amy and Cam. The actress didn't sell me on the character. Other then that, it was a very good episode.

blufeenix
February 7th, 2007, 01:14 AM
I liked it but I saw some of it coming - for Instance Sam being a hologram when that bounty hunter was trying to take a shot and how she used Lee's laser.. for the most part it was great but they could have left out the idiotic head shake and also all the doors being sealed by a button on his arm thing.. but dang Claudia Black looked hawt!!! nice to see Ben getting more to do..

sailfindragon
February 7th, 2007, 01:22 AM
I enjoyed this episode. Not as good as previous ones, but still very good.
It was nice to see all the cast doing there own things, but at the same time being part of the bigger storyline.

Did the doors shutting in the high school remind anyone of that movie "Carrie" with Sissy Spacek

lissafoss
February 7th, 2007, 01:36 AM
What a fun episode! I loved it. Vala is so funny, i was worried i would get bored of her, but it doesn’t seem to be happening. Claudia is just an amazing actress. Ben did a great job again, it was great to see more of Cam.

coolove
February 7th, 2007, 01:39 AM
Did the doors shutting in the high school remind anyone of that movie "Carrie" with Sissy Spacek

Yes! That's the first thing that entered my mind. I thought it was quite funny.

discodiva
February 7th, 2007, 01:41 AM
Did the doors shutting in the high school remind anyone of that movie "Carrie" with Sissy Spacek


Yes!!!!......I thought that immediately!.....:)


It was fluff, but very enjoyable fluff......Loved Bill Lee "on the pull" at the Conference....:D , I hate Vala!!.....how dare she have such a gorgeous figure and such beautiful long shiny flowing hair!....;) :p .....and it was so nice to realise that Daniel didn't spend all his childhood in dusty museums and on digs....he obviously enjoyed his TV and was a great Scooby Doo fan......as you should be of course!....;)


Deeds xx

sgeureka
February 7th, 2007, 03:23 AM
I'm posting this before I read anybody else's posts.

Wow, what a fantastic ep! The spoilers sounded so... wrong... and yet... wow, what a fantastic, silly episode. :D

- The beginning: I wondered whether I was watching the wrong episode because it was so not obvious where the highschool reunion thing would fit in
- This weird looking space truck ship.
- Kansas - reminded me of the Farscape episode "Kansas" - CB in weird outfits, not fitting in with human culture
- The aliens - let's throw ourselves around in our seats while we're attacked - haha
- Vala's outfit - very distracting, even for me as a female. Great! :)
- The bus scene: I read that it would happen, but it was so unexpected that I had completely forgotten about it
- The science convention audience member with the red hair afro - what was he thinking with that style :confused:
- Didn't expect Holo!Sam
- Mitchell and Amy Vandenberg make a cute couple
- Chevron guy and the buttons all the way through the episode - hillarious! Did he even say one word?
- Vala is married - I only drew the connection to Tomin when Vala mentioned a religious zealot
- I expected the rings to come in - the painting on the floor already looked like a ring platform to me somehow.

4 screen shots:
Highschool reunion photo: :D
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/sgeureka/sg_eps/sg_1015_photo.jpg

Wow, even PDL and Damian Kindler went to that Highschool:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/sgeureka/sg_eps/sg_1015_pdldk_paper.jpg

Artsy:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/sgeureka/sg_eps/sg_1015_hallway.jpg

Hot:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/sgeureka/sg_eps/sg_1015_auditorium.jpg

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
February 7th, 2007, 04:03 AM
The only nitpick about this episode was that fact that Daniel's assassin's untimely death was way way too convenient

tamien
February 7th, 2007, 04:29 AM
Is it just me, or was Vala's dress suspiciously similar to Sam's one in The Road Not Taken?

Serebii
February 7th, 2007, 04:46 AM
Great episode, better than I thought it'ld be but a little nitpick;

At the start when Cam & Vala were talking about the reunion...I think I saw that Vala had an SGC Patch and not an SG1 patch...

The Great Lord Baal
February 7th, 2007, 04:49 AM
I thought it was a good episode I thought for just half a second we would see aris boch but what can you

sgeureka
February 7th, 2007, 05:04 AM
I am watching it again, and there is this scene when Mitchell and Amy Vandenberg first meet, and when Mitchell has this cute chair accident.

But now I'm starting to think it was completely coincidental, or at least the other actors didn't know Ben Browder was playing for that. The scene is IMO almost falling apart when Anna Marie DeLuise seems so surprised that she can't get her introduction line across.

What do you think?

24 seconds of that on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhDBx_yU_w

Pharaoh Atem
February 7th, 2007, 05:13 AM
I am watching it again, and there is this scene when Mitchell and Amy Vandenberg first meet, and when Mitchell has this cute chair accident.

But now I'm starting to think it was completely coincidental, or at least the other actors didn't know Ben Browder was playing for that. The scene is IMO almost falling apart when Anna Marie DeLuise seems so surprised that she can't get her introduction line across.

What do you think?

24 seconds of that on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhDBx_yU_w

you can't Post youtube links to copyrighted materials on gw http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=37357

mancslad08
February 7th, 2007, 05:14 AM
Boring, dull, stupid, cringe-worthy episode that had no real story and once again dragged the pathetically crap storyline of the Lucian Alliance in, thereby proving before the ep even started that it would be rubbish.

- Dr Lee getting attention from girls? That made no sense. The man's a prick anyway.
- The crowd being unfazed by Sam's 'stunt' was a little hard to swallow.
- The acting was generally awful from everyone but the main characters.
- Stupid ending that was resolved in 3 seconds.
- Just boring really, surprised I didn't fall asleep.
- Hopefully that's the last Lucian Alliance ep because they're just laughably bad.


Good things:

- Vala

ermmm...

That's it.

2/10. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

(I knew that after a brilliant episode like the Shroud, we'd have a crap one like this. Happened after Echoes on Atlantis, we got Irresistable urgh)

Pitry
February 7th, 2007, 05:24 AM
Yeah, what drugs is Damian Kindler taking these days? I want some of those.

Can't say it was a bad episode, cos it was fairly entertaining, but it jsut feels so random. Just about nothing made sense, in oh so many ways!
LEt us see, nit picking begins - the technology is all scrweed up, there's a limit as to how many "cool new alien technology" I'm willing to accept in one episode, also the Foothold/ Smoke and Mirrors hologrammes can't hold that long! And sicnwe when do the Lucian Alliance have those?! An assorted number of energy/ beam weapons we've never ever seen before nad are unlikely to see again... not to mention beaming up, hologrammes and rings right in the middle of a high school reunion. Sorry, don't see people signing up that consent form.
Extemely bad part - the bounty hunter after Daniel and her demise. I mean.... er. Honestly.

Good stuff- liked the bits with Sam and Dr Lee. Good thing to see the SGC is trying to enter new technologies into the public, even if they set it all behind several years. And bwaha, ray guns with tiny naquada reactors. Let's see them trying to explain naquada to the general public.
More good stuff - nice note, despite it beign only a note - about the Jaffa trying to re-build their civilisation/ nation after the Counterstrike attack.
Silly stuff - Daniel getting to speak tech babble. Well, his sotr of tech babble. ;)

It was nice to see Mitchell's dad again... and the bits iwth his parents and Vala were to die for. Vala was pretty entertaining throughoutt he episode - kind of a shame tho we dind't get to see more Mitchell in a different light. I dind't feel Bounty gave anything new to Mitchell's character, it felt much mroe like Cameron Mitchell tryign to manoeuvre round Vala rather than somethign substantive. Still, t'was nice.

Biggest nitpick of the week - okay, so they have 7 Orii ships in the galaxy and SG1 is sent to blow up Lucian Alliance's drug traffic? I mean, WTF. I have to admit I think this episode would have worked best either befofre Quest or in between Quest and Shroud. As it is, it makes no sense whatsoever, and just serves to further show the compelte and utter anti climax from the end of the Shroud.

All in all, could have been worse. And I'm still interested in knowing what DK's drugs are...

sgeureka
February 7th, 2007, 05:32 AM
you can't Post youtube links to copyrighted materials on gw http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=37357I can't post a 24 second snippet to make a point, but others can post 5 minute fan vids with copyrighted music?

I think my clip illustrates the object in question and therefore qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. (Yes, I snagged that sentence from wikipedia. :))

Jades
February 7th, 2007, 05:41 AM
I am watching it again, and there is this scene when Mitchell and Amy Vandenberg first meet, and when Mitchell has this cute chair accident.

But now I'm starting to think it was completely coincidental, or at least the other actors didn't know Ben Browder was playing for that. The scene is IMO almost falling apart when Anna Marie DeLuise seems so surprised that she can't get her introduction line across.

What do you think?

24 seconds of that on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhDBx_yU_w

Ben does have a rep for riffing on the script a bit, so it's possible. For example, David Hewlett aparently mentioned at a recent con that in 'The Pegasus Project' Ben improv'ed the scene where Mitchell threatens McKay with a lemon and DH managed to keep the scene going and not crack up.

Pharaoh Atem
February 7th, 2007, 05:48 AM
I can't post a 24 second snippet to make a point, but others can post 5 minute fan vids with copyrighted music?

I think my clip illustrates the object in question and therefore qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. (Yes, I snagged that sentence from wikipedia. :))

just pointing out the rules the mods might come in and look at this anyway.:)

sgeureka
February 7th, 2007, 05:56 AM
just pointing out the rules the mods might come in and look at this anyway.:)Which is their right (and job), and if they think I crossed the lines, then so be it and I'll take it down. But I have never seen a mod step in when someone made an animated gif of a scene, or when someone posted 300 high-res screen shots, so I think this shouldn't be a problem. :)

MechaThor
February 7th, 2007, 06:07 AM
A cool episode with a lot of nice bits to it.

Good points:
-ALIENS! if they did not show at least one Alien bounty hunter i would have gone mad however they showed Two! YEAH!
-Gd to see some of Waricks alien race are still alive and out their aftyer their homeworld was apparently destroyed by the Ori
-More of the tenticale faced aliens are always gd. and his transformation tech was cool.
-Bill Lee Getting the labies lol.
-"sex sex sex sex sex all over the house" lol
-Cam falling off the chair lol
- The dead guy with glasses lol
-Space train was a cool new ship.

Bad points:
-Door closing technology. A bit corney. Mayb goa'uld sheilds would have been better.
- Lack of NEW aliens. They could have made at least one!

8/10

g.o.d
February 7th, 2007, 06:14 AM
great episode!!Vala looked absolutly amazing...last night I had a dream which included me, Vala and Adria:)))

g.o.d
February 7th, 2007, 06:35 AM
screencaps:
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pbellosom
February 7th, 2007, 06:38 AM
I like the part where the woman trying to kill Daniel cross the road and got ran over by the bus. LOL.

Thats what happened?! I looked away at the wrong moment and missed it. I was so confused.

Skydiver
February 7th, 2007, 06:42 AM
one comment that'll end the off topic chit-chat

I'm not massively upset over a 24 second snippit. It's really no different from posting screen caps. I do think that it's possibly not the wisest thing to do, especially since Viacom has started to hunt down copyrighted stuff on youtube, so it's a matter of time before the other studios do as well.

The short snippit is ok, but don't go posting a series of short snippits that happens to add up to 43 minutes :)

now, back to the topic of discussng the episode please

g.o.d
February 7th, 2007, 06:42 AM
more:

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g.o.d
February 7th, 2007, 06:45 AM
one comment that'll end the off topic chit-chat

I'm not massively upset over a 24 second snippit. It's really no different from posting screen caps. I do think that it's possibly not the wisest thing to do, especially since Viacom has started to hunt down copyrighted stuff on youtube, so it's a matter of time before the other studios do as well.

The short snippit is ok, but don't go posting a series of short snippits that happens to add up to 43 minutes :)

now, back to the topic of discussng the episode please

so should I delete my posts with screencaps?

Commander Ivanova
February 7th, 2007, 07:02 AM
Well, I didn't like this ep much. Apart from Vala's comment to Cam's folks about when they first met, LOL!
Daniel looked seriously hot and got to speak some of that delicious technolinguababble. Sam rocked as usual.
Didn't like Cam's Olivia NJ-lookielikie GF (and I don't care if she's a DeLuise), Teal'c just looked weird. Stupid cobbled-together plot and iffy alien tech.
Meh!

suse
February 7th, 2007, 07:11 AM
D'oh! Those meddling kids! :D

Daniel had the best line in the whole episode. Well delivered too.

<sigh> They must play up as much skin as they can when they can, mustn't they? It was distracting (and not *that* way! As in irritating!) from the story. Such as it was. I wonder if they'd have had to pay to play real music. I know I'd be irritated if they played instrumental music at my reunion. :rolleyes:

Good moments. Terrible moments. Lame Lucien ending.

How did Teal'c get wounded? Certainly not by a staff blast! That was an awfully deep cut to not have even torn the material.

There have been entirely too many unrelated instances of "uncommon" occurances to use plausible deniability as an excuse. Though it was a small school. Meh.

I actually liked Vala with the parents.

Mitchell continues to be the weak link for me.

ETA: Sam;s smirk/shock when Dr. Lee went over to those women was priceless.

suse

bcfc
February 7th, 2007, 07:12 AM
Good enough episode, some good scenes with the Bounty Hunters and Vala meeting Cams parents saying that when they met they had Sex all the time and then developed a spiritual connection.

Daniels Bounty Hunter trying to seduce him and him looking confused.


7/10 better than expected.


Bring on Bad Guys

rovex
February 7th, 2007, 07:38 AM
I was expecting the episode to be boring as it was a LA episode and worst still.. an earth based one, but i really liked it. Made me laugh out loud more than once.
ts typical of a late series episode in Sci fi, all the characters are very comfortable with each other and get to show how superior they are to the rest of the universe, was much the same in ST:TNG. It was a kind of 'dont bother, really, were too good' kind of thing.

suse
February 7th, 2007, 07:39 AM
I liked it but I saw some of it coming - for Instance Sam being a hologram when that bounty hunter was trying to take a shot and how she used Lee's laser.. for the most part it was great but they could have left out the idiotic head shake and also all the doors being sealed by a button on his arm thing.. but dang Claudia Black looked hawt!!! nice to see Ben getting more to do..


LOL! Oh yeah. Shades of "Carrie" there. They just needed some pigs blood.

That head shake, I didn't get it. Was it just supposed to be funny? It wasn't. That one wasn't a hologram right? :confused: My reception was not good.

suse

nothing croovus
February 7th, 2007, 07:44 AM
I think this would have been a good episode to re-introduce Aris Bock. But oh well.

suse
February 7th, 2007, 07:45 AM
Is it just me, or was Vala's dress suspiciously similar to Sam's one in The Road Not Taken?


Very similar cut. Even the back was similar. Just much shorter.

suse

SGFerrit
February 7th, 2007, 08:01 AM
I thought this was a very good episode, we got more on Cam's back story and I thought it was cool how each of the team had their own little story involving different bounty hunters.

Plus, we got to see some great technological advancements, Mini Naquadah generators, superb hographic technoology, and our own plasma based energy weapons! Finally!

SGFerrit
February 7th, 2007, 08:03 AM
Very similar cut. Even the back was similar. Just much shorter.

And theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.

mancslad08
February 7th, 2007, 08:03 AM
Thats what happened?! I looked away at the wrong moment and missed it. I was so confused.

I found the woman getting hit by a bus pathetic personally.

And the way that bounty hunter killed that nerdy guy by touching his shoulder or whatever was just so horribly cringe-worthy. Like something out of galaxy quest.

Awful, just like the episode.

flynn1959
February 7th, 2007, 08:17 AM
can anyone share the sam bits of this episode with me?




sally :)

Sam was at a conference with Bill Lee to demonstrate new tech etc Bill told Sam it was a good singles opportunity but she wasn't too impressed at his flirting with a couple of young women. She went on stage after a long intro, can't remember all that, sorry, demonstrating holographic imaging thing wearing a nice blue suit, the bounty hunter shot at her. She turned out to be a holograph and then shot a laser canon that Lee had been demonstating at the bounty hunter, killing him. She had been behind the stage. Later she beams into the school with Daniel and Teal'c to rescue mitchell and Vala. One more brief scene on a spaceship and that's about it. It was mostly Mitchell and Vala in this one but the others did all have a few brief but nice scenes.

Hope that helps.

Datum666
February 7th, 2007, 08:19 AM
Who is the sexy bounty hunter who get killed by a bus chasing Daniel ????

suse
February 7th, 2007, 08:25 AM
And theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Never said there was. T'was the gratuitous flashing of the gams nearly up to her bum in the auditorium scene that I consider excessive. ::cue CB's legs! Front and center!:: The Daisy Duke outfit was overkill also. :rolleyes: I'm not interested and it was *still* distracting ---> from the story.

suse

Pitry
February 7th, 2007, 08:26 AM
Oh! Oh!
Teal'c had a staff weapon! Teal'c had his staff weapon!
I miss the staff weapon.Teal'c's much cooler with than than with the P90.

And I stand my original ground. Bounty hunter beign killed off by being run over by a bus.... must be the worst way of getting rid of a badguy. Ever. I mean, seriously. That was stupid beyond.... Sunday exploding tumours.

Pitry
February 7th, 2007, 08:30 AM
Never said there was. T'was the gratuitous flashing of the gams nearly up to her bum in the auditorium scene that I consider excessive. ::cue CB's legs! Front and center!:: The Daisy Duke outfit was overkill also. :rolleyes: I'm not interested and it was *still* distracting ---> from the story.

suse

While I agree it was overexcessive, I think it didn't distract from the story because, well, let's admit it, the story was a distraction in itself.
See, here's a rant worthy fo the Anti season 10 thread.
Stargate's always been special in that that when they made character-centric episodes, they still had a damn good cover story for them, liek The Changeling, Forever in a Day, loads of others that my sleep-deprived mind can't bring up at the moment... It's special because the majority of shows I've seen, when they're doing a compeltely and utterly character-driven story, they usually end up payign off ni a stupid plot. One of the reasons I feelt hat even tho SGA trmenedously iproved this year it's still not reaching SG1's level is because it shows a similar pattern, re Echoes, Sunday...
This is the second time this season by Damian Kindler alone that in order to write a character story they're paying in plot. Why!

Prior_of_the_Ori
February 7th, 2007, 08:33 AM
I liked it, it was quite nice and a lot of technology goodies. I mean mini shield generator for Ventrell being used, the Za'tarc finger beam pistol, the Al'kesh super train transport, a freaky holographic duplication device and various energy weapon pistols.

And I wondered if those were Serrakin or not. Looks like that quite a few have gone into the criminal world. You know what would have been nice? A reference perhaps to Aris Boch the bounty hunter we saw so far back. But it was nice. Vala and Cam were great.

Datum666
February 7th, 2007, 08:50 AM
What Is The Actresses Name That Was After Daniel As A Bounty Hunter And Got Killed By The Bus?

nothing croovus
February 7th, 2007, 08:56 AM
Didn't she play on 24 as Michelle Dessler?

knowles2
February 7th, 2007, 09:02 AM
Any one got the screen caps of the earth technology, like the plasma weapon and the holographic generator

suse
February 7th, 2007, 09:08 AM
While I agree it was overexcessive, I think it didn't distract from the story because, well, let's admit it, the story was a distraction in itself.
See, here's a rant worthy fo the Anti season 10 thread.
Stargate's always been special in that that when they made character-centric episodes, they still had a damn good cover story for them, liek The Changeling, Forever in a Day, loads of others that my sleep-deprived mind can't bring up at the moment... It's special because the majority of shows I've seen, when they're doing a compeltely and utterly character-driven story, they usually end up payign off ni a stupid plot. One of the reasons I feelt hat even tho SGA trmenedously iproved this year it's still not reaching SG1's level is because it shows a similar pattern, re Echoes, Sunday...
This is the second time this season by Damian Kindler alone that in order to write a character story they're paying in plot. Why!

Overworked. And not because they were in the planning stages of Santuary.



suse

Freekzilla
February 7th, 2007, 09:15 AM
I think I saw something, but I am not so sure. I could have sworn the comedien Carrot Top was in the scene where Sam gets shot at during the conference. After she shoots the guy with the "energy rifle", the audience stands up and claps, and there is one guy with big red puffy hair,...sure looks like Carrot Top. Look at the audience front row, right side of screen. Am I just seeing things? If it is him, what the heck is he doing in SG-1???

Pitry
February 7th, 2007, 09:21 AM
Overworked. And not because they were in the planning stages of Santuary.



suse

Overworked? He's no longer on the regular writing staff, he's no longer a producer, he's written 4 episodes this year which is much less than he did in season 6 where they all made sense....What's he doing these days then? :)

And, you know, as much as I've been defending RCC and BW over seasons 9-10.... this is in fact a bigger screw up of theirs than it is of DK's. If there's a tiem where the show runner should interfere and say "sorry, this doesn't feel like Stargate, this doesn't work within the established Stargate universe, premise is okay but this needs a major re-write" it's in Bounty's case.

Again, it's not that I think this was a particularily bad show. I'd go for Bounty than for the likes of Nightwalkers or, hell why go all the way to M&M when I have Icon and Grace in DK's resume? But as crappy as these episodes were, they felt like Stargate. I don't know what I was watching, it definitely had the Stargate characters.... but it completely adn utterly lacked the Stargate feel. And this isn't abotu comedy. The Stargate "feel" defintiely envelopes comedy and light heartedness within it.

memnarch
February 7th, 2007, 09:42 AM
Okay, don't get me wrong, I liked this episode, but seriously, this had better be the last we see of the Lucian Alliance. I've never seen the point to doing stories about them, beyond giving Vala a backstory, which they've done by now. Hopefully the death of Netan will put a stop to this threadline. It was good to see Cam's parents and learn more about his backstory. In fact, we've learned more about him in this episode than we have Carter or Daniel to a certain extent.

Still, I thought the holographic explanation was a bit thin, since the rough caved in when the rings went through it. Also, isn't Dr. Lee married? I recall him saying he had kids, but not that he was married...

Overall, **1/2 stars for the backstory on Cameron and giving the world Claudia Black in hot pants (THANK YOU! haha)

spaceangel
February 7th, 2007, 09:53 AM
I liked this episode. It was relaxing and I didn't have to think too much to follow the plot.

I loved the bit when Daniel talked about himself. I've only seen it once so I will have to paraphrase, but he seemed to say "I've never been an impulsive person so...." at that point he turned down the bounty hunter's suggestive offer.
Well, he may not think of himself as impulsive but I certainly do. He was so cute when he said it though. Seriously, he's not safe to be let out on his own!

sgeureka
February 7th, 2007, 10:39 AM
What Is The Actresses Name That Was After Daniel As A Bounty Hunter And Got Killed By The Bus?imdb.com (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0812084/) says it was Jody Thompson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0860309/). Can't say I've ever seen here.


Didn't she play on 24 as Michelle Dessler?imdb.com (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0812084/) says no. But never rely on imdb.


Any one got the screen caps of the earth technology, like the plasma weapon and the holographic generator
There wasn't any real equipment for the Chimera Optics Projection System. But Dr. Lee's weapon was featured.

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Platschu
February 7th, 2007, 10:48 AM
There were Serrakin bounty hunters too! Great. :p

The episode was an intresting mix of "The Ties That Bind" and "Sunday". They should make more episodes to show the Stargate universe (races, technolgies). If they can make Stargate : Worlds to have some feeling, it will be a nice game. ;)

shockwave
February 7th, 2007, 11:00 AM
funny ep
thought this would suck based on spoilers, but it was great
both mitchells parents are still alive, that's a first time

and that bounty hunter played one of the sunshine boys on bsg
and I kept on wondering who that bounty hunter woman was who was run over
by a bus, I thought she was on 24 or so, but turns out she's someone who looks like michelle dessler

Netan is dead, he was never really developped into an interesting character anyway

some hilarious stuff with the party and the bounty hunters, like that assurances dork,
and that guy with his spray that got killed seconds after. And ventrell asking the guy for his suit

season 10.5 is great so far, what can't be said about sga 3.5

Mitchell82
February 7th, 2007, 11:02 AM
That's Peter DeLuise's wife Anne Marie and you would have seen her in "The Other Side" back in Season 4 and I've seen her in quite a few other sci-fi shows too.

Nice info thanks.

Mitchell82
February 7th, 2007, 11:09 AM
A cool episode with a lot of nice bits to it.

Good points:
-ALIENS! if they did not show at least one Alien bounty hunter i would have gone mad however they showed Two! YEAH!
-Gd to see some of Waricks alien race are still alive and out their aftyer their homeworld was apparently destroyed by the Ori
-More of the tenticale faced aliens are always gd. and his transformation tech was cool.
-Bill Lee Getting the labies lol.
-"sex sex sex sex sex all over the house" lol
-Cam falling off the chair lol
- The dead guy with glasses lol
-Space train was a cool new ship.

Bad points:
-Door closing technology. A bit corney. Mayb goa'uld sheilds would have been better.
- Lack of NEW aliens. They could have made at least one!

8/10

Not really. All you need is a strong magnetic technology and you could do it. Also were two of those bounty hunters Serakin?

Mitchell82
February 7th, 2007, 11:11 AM
There were Serrakin bounty hunters too! Great. :p

The episode was an intresting mix of "The Ties That Bind" and "Sunday". They should make more episodes to show the Stargate universe (races, technolgies). If they can make Stargate : Worlds to have some feeling, it will be a nice game. ;)

Thought so. I hope so I'll be getting that. Was really looking forward to Stargate Alliance, so I hope it will be good. Agree it was a nice ep.

knowles2
February 7th, 2007, 11:55 AM
Thanks the weapon looks cool, I hope see them in the field soon.

Hypochondriac
February 7th, 2007, 12:11 PM
Better then expected, but not great. This episode was more about comedy then advancing any storyline. Still liked the part with the bounty hunter getting hit by the bus

grasshopper64
February 7th, 2007, 12:16 PM
Well I was really not expected to like this ep but was suprised, it wasn't bad, and I haven't laughed at an ep so much in a very long time. Certainly won't go down as a classic, but I took it for what is was, light hearted and a bit of a diversion.

I was a little disappointed they didn't mention what happened in the shroud, althought I think some time has past here.

Vala meeting Cam's parents was funny, but I really have to question the wardrobe choices for Vala, come on she's not a teenager, those denim shorts and the midriff-less shirt thing was too much.

Otherwise nice to see Cam and Vala interacting, and I'm happy to see an episode that was Daniel/Vala free:) Loved Daniel in the museum, felt much more like earlier Daniel, and of course he's completely taken aback when this girl propositions him;)

Pitry
February 7th, 2007, 12:19 PM
I was a little disappointed they didn't mention what happened in the shroud, althought I think some time has past here.


see, here's one of my main problems with the path they chose to go with for the Shroud. Too easy to hit the reset button and pertend nothign has happened...

golfbooy
February 7th, 2007, 12:29 PM
You want pithy? Don't bother watching.

It's not Stargate. It's not anything. It's just a bunch of random scenes strung together by the flimsiest of "plots". It's not even full of sound and fury, it's just plain old nothing. And there's certainly no signifying going on. Bounty is far and away the worst episode of season ten, and probably one of the absolute worst, most pointless episodes that the show has ever, ever done. And SG-1 has done more than 200 of them.

The wrongness of this episode is not Mitchell's fault. Well, it's not his fault in the same way that Stronghold and Off the Grid were his fault. No, this was the writers totally and willingly abrogating all responsibility to tell a story that is in any way coherent or in concert with the rest of the show, season, whatever. The only way that the awfulness of this episode can be attributed to Mitchell is in the necessity to write something, anything for the character. It's episodes like these (and there have been way too many of them) where the character's weakness is fully revealed. These writers don't know how to fit Cameron Mitchell into a Stargate story. They don't. So, instead of producing a mutated monster like Off the Grid, they just decided not to write an SG-1 episode at all. My God, I can't believe how bad this sucked. The idea that something this ridiculous passed the muster of so many people while it was being made is enough to scare me off of the whole show.

As things go, I didn't expect the teaser to be the best part of the episode. I've never liked the Lucien Alliance. The idea is somewhat sound, but the execution has been horribly slipshod, resulting in me be subjected to regular visits from cartoon characters like Netan and sundry bounty hunters. Here again the Alliance and its cohorts are displayed as a comic book regime, full of arch villains perpetrating evil acts upon each other and the general populace, with nary a thought being given to their motivations or objectives. And speaking of motivations, I still haven't figured out SG-1's. Why are we destroying kassa shipments? Are we protectors of the galaxy at large? Do we police the universe, are we the intergalactic DEA? Aren't there bigger fish to fry? And did we just release a bounty hunter on a mission to assasinate the head of the Lucien Alliance? What?

Bounty tries to make up for it's lack of plot by conjoining as many "cute" moments as the writers thought they could resonably get away with. Daniel's assault at the library is bizarre and pointless. Not to be outdone, Sam's and Dr. Lee's "performance" on stage at the conference with goofy space guns is equally asinine. Only Teal'c's ambush is played straight, and the intelligence with which Chris Judge imbues the character is the only thing to save this segment from descending into bufoonery as well. He must not have gotten the memo on this story's tone. Either that, or he got a different director. Each moment could have been used more effectively. The conference was perhaps most worthwhile for the glimpse as to how alien tech is disseminated, but the manner in which Dr. Lee is portrayed at this point just makes me cringe. Of course, my face is permanently contorted after seeing how Daniel dispatched his assasin. I like Loony Tunes more than the next guy, but wow.

For all the criticism that gets slung around about how Richard Dean Anderson joked too much as O'neill in the later years, and how he became "Cosmic-giddy Jack", there is no way this cartoon would ever have been made while he was still around. Slapstick, goofball sight gags that mock the audience for watching and the characters for participating were not his thing. It's too bad that the show has lost that respect. If this is the epitome of the show's humor these days, then by God I'm thankful it's been put down. It was a mercy kill.

I'd talk more about the plot, but I am unable to locate it. Neither can I expound upon how Bounty fits in with the current storyline. Nor can I really talk about the great character development that Bounty afforded the team. In fact, the only thing I can find to talk about is how bad it is. So, I'll stop. Oh, who am I kidding? I can't stop yet. Doors that slam shut at the push of a button, a patented Krusty the Clown hand buzzer that knocks a guy out after we get to delightfully watch his head bob around, and bad guys shoving other bad guys into broom closests all help Bounty to convey its utter crappiness. And let's not forget the stellar performances of the guest characters in this one. Cam's bumbling friend, all the inept bounty hunters, the stereotypical high school flunkies, and, yes, even Mitchell's remarkably uninteresting or unique family all highlight the mediocrity of this script.

After a handful of episodes wherein the character has grown and been used to great effect, Vala here is again reduced to simple slapstick comedy. There's no real depth behind her words or actions, save in the quick scene where she mentions Tomin with melancholy. It's the worst kind of regression, with the writers ineptly falling back on a character's barest traits and totally ignoring any growth that may have been achieved through previous experiences. For a better look at the writers performing similar criminal acts, see Rodney Mckay on Atlantis, who often exhibits similar bouts of develoment followed by regression.

This was supposed to be a Mitchell episode, but I kind of think that Vala stole most of "his" scenes from him. There's almost no interaction between Cam and his parents, or between Cam and Daryl. The best stuff in the episode for Mitchell was between him and Amy, but even that never aspired to be more than the worst kind of cliche. I'm glad that there's the hope of something more there for Mitchell as I think it would help develop his character some, but I'm also astoundingly certain that it will never, ever come up again. Go figure. Overall, I expected Cam to be front and center more in this.

I briefly mentioned Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c above, and now I find there's little else to say. I find such scant use of so many characters criminal, and am left dumbfounded at how little work the actors have to do sometimes. I suppose in some wholly mercenary way, this is the sweetest deal imaginable for Amanda Tapping, Michael Shanks, and Chris Judge.

I hate that Beau Bridges can't, even after two years on the show, come anywhere close to saying "Goa'uld" correctly. And Landry continues to be the most incompetant commander ever created. "Yeah, Colonel, there's a pack of bounty hunters after you. What's that, you can't hear me? Eh, nevermind then. You have a good time." I'm shocked that he even bothered to hurry SG-1 along to save the day. Backup is not Landry's usual M.O.

Ultimately, I can't fathom a worse indictment of TPTB's ability to produce 20 quality episodes in a season than Bounty. This is the point where I once again express my abundant joy at SG-1's end as a weekly series, and it's move to a less quantitative, but hopefully higher quality format. I don't think the concept is dead and I do think that the writers, especially Cooper and Wright, are capable of producing great stuff centered on SG-1. But I've almost no confidence left in anyone else. Mitchell didn't deserve to have yet another atrocious episode pinned to his character, yet here it is. I feel sorry for everyone involved.

ETA: I forgot about the hand waving of the whole event, including Asgard beaming tech, rings, personal shields, and ray guns. I imagine this was something akin to The Dead Parrot Sketch. So, General Landry sent in a bunch of goons to strongarm the guests into signing nondisclosure agreements. Right, good one. That definitely solves that.

Platschu
February 7th, 2007, 12:48 PM
We can see Mitchell's mother now. Than who visited him in the hospital (9x01 Avalon)? Was she his grandmother?
http://imdb.com/name/nm0924729/

Raj_2006
February 7th, 2007, 01:51 PM
They FINALLY! have a working energy weapon :D it works 100%, it only didn't work when dr lee was demonstrating because of wht he or sam said about development. And wht was tht on top? it looked like a mini naquadah generator? :lol:

OakRidge
February 7th, 2007, 01:54 PM
but I really have to question the wardrobe choices for Vala, come on she's not a teenager, those denim shorts and the midriff-less shirt thing was too much.

I like the wardrobe choice for Vala.;)

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/5774/vlcsnap14400840xu1.png
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/3526/vlcsnap14401840bn2.png

Sexy!!!!

Datum666
February 7th, 2007, 02:07 PM
hMM I DONT THINK ITS DESSLER FROM 24 CAUSE I'M REALLY CURIOUS TO KNOW FOR SURE WHO SHE IS. ANT OTHER IDEA OR IF ANY KNOW WHO THE FEMALE BOUNTY HUNTER WAS.

racer24t
February 7th, 2007, 02:14 PM
This was a great episodei lke vala more and more. I was wondering how do you get screen caps like that those are neat any help please.

OakRidge
February 7th, 2007, 02:21 PM
This was a great episodei lke vala more and more. I was wondering how do you get screen caps like that those are neat any help please.

I used the VLC Media Player.

CamMitchell
February 7th, 2007, 02:23 PM
It was one of the greatest episodes I've seen, especially the Cam/Vala interaction and Cam's parents were great once more.

P-90_177
February 7th, 2007, 02:50 PM
I enjoyed this. I really enjoy the comedy episodes. Would have liked to see more of daniel but still can't complain. I really enjoyed cam/vala/cams parents scenes. And how Cam was freaked out by his mother. It was a nice moment.

Matt G
February 7th, 2007, 03:26 PM
Right...

1. Vala was thick as a plank! What the hell was the point of mouthing off like that?

2. I guess the background on Cam sounds solid enough.

3. Overall though, the bounty hunter stuff got slightly corny in places.

Better than Mehmento Boring but The Shroud laughs all over it!

Detox
February 7th, 2007, 03:27 PM
Okay, In my personal opinion that episode was SO bad.

First of all, the bounty hunter touching a guys neck so hes head start flipping around really fast. Well some people would probably consider that funny, but I just got the feeling "oh no, that did not just happen!". In my opinion that kind of "cheep-bad-sucking-makeyouwannapuke-scen" belongs in let's say Ghostbusters (no pun intended) not sg-1?

Second. Well now a lot of people know about advance technology since it was used on the prom (rings as example). Have I missed an episode, or is the stargate not to be hidden from the general public anymore? There wasn't even some talk about how to cover up those events in the episode.


Sorry for my bad spelling and grammar. I suck at spelling ;)

At the end, Mitchell said they all had to sign a non-disclosure agreement. He also said something about it being best, because noone would believe them anyways.

sgeureka
February 7th, 2007, 03:32 PM
Off topic


This was a great episodei lke vala more and more. I was wondering how do you get screen caps like that those are neat any help please.
- VLC Media Player: Ctrl+Alt+S (you can change that, and you can set the directory in the set-up)
- Windows Media Player: Ctrl+i
- Power DVD: C (you can set the directory in the set-up)
- WinDVD: Click on the Camera button (you can set the directory in the set-up)
- [countless other programs that allow screen shots...]
- Some video programs also allow pushing "PrintScreen" on your keyboard (right to F12) when a video file plays, and you can then open an image editor and paste.

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
February 7th, 2007, 03:51 PM
Well, after watching the episode, it turned out to be precisely what I expected it to be: a piece of very, very well written fanfiction. I like that it's a different direction for an SG-1 episode to take, although it's not really very SG-1ish at all. Not a bad episode, just not an SG-1 episode. Fanfiction. Nothing more or less.

BJX
February 7th, 2007, 04:20 PM
I find it hard to really decide what I think about this episode. I guess the best way to put it is that it was an enjoyably bad episode, if that makes any sense.

There was alot to like in this episode but also alot to hate. I think the story was great but it was executed terribly. There was no cohesion, it just went randomly from one place to another, from one tone to another, in the change of a scene. It never felt like there was a thread keeping everything together. Was this suppose to be a full-on lighthearted episode or was it suppose to be a serious episode with dashings of lightheartedness thrown in? I don't know. If the bounty hunters were suppose to be serious and threatening and create a sense of danger for the viewer then they failed miserably, and throwing in stupid looking aliens and that cringe-worthy head-spining thing did nothing to enhance the dramatic nature of the episode. If it was meant to be slightly tounge-in-cheek then it failed completely and why set up such a story (that is integral to the series) and do it comedicly?

I hated the resolution too. It completely disregarded one of the most basic elements of the series; The secrecy of the Stargate programme. I loved season 9 and I really like season 10 but the truth is nothing like this would ever have occured in seasons 1-6. Things like tis betray the nature and believability of the show.

However, even with all the major problems with it, there was so much to enjoy. I absolutely loved Cam and Vala in Kansas. Vala was hilarious, and I really liked seeing the personal side of Cam. That character just keeps growing on me, and I liked him to begin with.

Tealc firing a staff weapon again! How long has it been? Wonderful.

More reason to believe Daniel is a homosexual! What straight man in his right mind would turn down an offer like that from a woman like that.

You gotta love Dr. Lee too. Bit of a stud, who'd have thought.

The teaser was fantastic. Blowing up the space train was brilliant.



The execution of the story may have been abysmal but the character interaction, of which there was alot, made the episode enjoyable. It's just a shame that this episode must unfortunately sit uncerimoniously with INSIDERS and COMPANY OF THIEVES (although nowhere near as bad as that episode) as an episode that had the potential, and really should have been, a phenomenal episode. Like I said earlier, I don't believe you would have seen these faults, not only in this episode but also Insiders and COT, in Seasons 1-6 nor do you see these mistakes in Atlantis. If an episode fails in Atlantis, or the failures in seasons 1-6, it's because the episode was doomed to fail to begin with. I can only conclude that it has something to do with the showrunner, or maybe more appropriately for the SG-1 episodes this season, the man who is not running the show.

Mio
February 7th, 2007, 04:46 PM
Anyone else catch the "Peter Deluise for Class President" in the school?

sgeureka
February 7th, 2007, 05:06 PM
I hated the resolution too. It completely disregarded one of the most basic elements of the series; The secrecy of the Stargate programme. I loved season 9 and I really like season 10 but the truth is nothing like this would ever have occured in seasons 1-6. Things like tis betray the nature and believability of the show. 1969? Seth? Maybe Foothold? Small Victories? Watergate? Point of No Return? The Curse? Desperate Messures? Wormhole X-Treme? Descent? Nightwalkers? Prometheus?

I may be wrong with a couple of those, as I haven't watched them in some time, but there are several where I am darn sure that the SG program should not have been a secret any longer afterwards.


More reason to believe Daniel is a homosexual! What straight man in his right mind would turn down an offer like that from a woman like that.A smart man who realizes he is being used? :P

P-90_177
February 7th, 2007, 05:21 PM
Or for the sake of all thos Danny/Vala shippers Perhaps because he loves someone else. :p

Anway just watched it Again and there was yet another DeLuise in the Show.
Mary Ann DeLuise I believe. What relation is she to the others? Does anyone know?

RealmOfX
February 7th, 2007, 05:33 PM
That's Peter DeLuise's wife Anne Marie and you would have seen her in "The Other Side" back in Season 4 and I've seen her in quite a few other sci-fi shows too.


Or for the sake of all thos Danny/Vala shippers Perhaps because he loves someone else. :p

Anway just watched it Again and there was yet another DeLuise in the Show.
Mary Ann DeLuise I believe. What relation is she to the others? Does anyone know?

;)

Agent_Dark
February 7th, 2007, 05:50 PM
The bounty hunter that went after Cam was one of the "Sunshine Boys" from the BSG episodes 'Pegasus' and 'Ressurection Ship' (those guys that start beating up Helo and Tyrol in the brig) :D

mcbarr
February 7th, 2007, 06:40 PM
I liked the story and everything, but is it fair to "waste" one of the last precious SG-1 episodes with a "high school reunion goes wrong" filler? :( Why didn't they extend the Ori plot? :confused:

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
February 7th, 2007, 06:49 PM
Just finished the episode. Damn did Vala look hot in the ep, Sam also looked hot in that dress. You don't see that very often. I thought Bounty was going to be worse than it was. I give it a **1/2. 5 episodes left of the legacy.

Nakor
February 7th, 2007, 06:56 PM
I liked the story and everything, but is it fair to "waste" one of the last precious SG-1 episodes with a "high school reunion goes wrong" filler? :( Why didn't they extend the Ori plot? :confused:

Look at it like its their last chance to do some of the shows they may have always wanted to do.

RainbowMist
February 7th, 2007, 06:59 PM
Anway just watched it Again and there was yet another DeLuise in the Show.
Mary Ann DeLuise I believe. What relation is she to the others? Does anyone know?

Peter's wife I think. Oh DeLuises...:p

I liked this episode, the randomness was interesting, there was enough plot that I was happy. Got a huge kick out of the bus scene, especially since something similar happened in 'Lost' shortly after I seen it. Television bus drivers suck.

jenks
February 7th, 2007, 07:00 PM
I wasn't expecting much from this episode, but I thoroughly enjoyed it, a non stop entertaining episode :)

Freekzilla
February 7th, 2007, 07:31 PM
You want pithy? Don't bother watching.

It's not Stargate. It's not anything. It's just a bunch of random scenes strung together by the flimsiest of "plots". It's not even full of sound and fury, it's just plain old nothing. And there's certainly no signifying going on. Bounty is far and away the worst episode of season ten, and probably one of the absolute worst, most pointless episodes that the show has ever, ever done. And SG-1 has done more than 200 of them.

The wrongness of this episode is not Mitchell's fault. Well, it's not his fault in the same way that Stronghold and Off the Grid were his fault. No, this was the writers totally and willingly abrogating all responsibility to tell a story that is in any way coherent or in concert with the rest of the show, season, whatever. The only way that the awfulness of this episode can be attributed to Mitchell is in the necessity to write something, anything for the character. It's episodes like these (and there have been way too many of them) where the character's weakness is fully revealed. These writers don't know how to fit Cameron Mitchell into a Stargate story. They don't. So, instead of producing a mutated monster like Off the Grid, they just decided not to write an SG-1 episode at all. My God, I can't believe how bad this sucked. The idea that something this ridiculous passed the muster of so many people while it was being made is enough to scare me off of the whole show.

As things go, I didn't expect the teaser to be the best part of the episode. I've never liked the Lucien Alliance. The idea is somewhat sound, but the execution has been horribly slipshod, resulting in me be subjected to regular visits from cartoon characters like Netan and sundry bounty hunters. Here again the Alliance and its cohorts are displayed as a comic book regime, full of arch villains perpetrating evil acts upon each other and the general populace, with nary a thought being given to their motivations or objectives. And speaking of motivations, I still haven't figured out SG-1's. Why are we destroying kassa shipments? Are we protectors of the galaxy at large? Do we police the universe, are we the intergalactic DEA? Aren't there bigger fish to fry? And did we just release a bounty hunter on a mission to assasinate the head of the Lucien Alliance? What?

Bounty tries to make up for it's lack of plot by conjoining as many "cute" moments as the writers thought they could resonably get away with. Daniel's assault at the library is bizarre and pointless. Not to be outdone, Sam's and Dr. Lee's "performance" on stage at the conference with goofy space guns is equally asinine. Only Teal'c's ambush is played straight, and the intelligence with which Chris Judge imbues the character is the only thing to save this segment from descending into bufoonery as well. He must not have gotten the memo on this story's tone. Either that, or he got a different director. Each moment could have been used more effectively. The conference was perhaps most worthwhile for the glimpse as to how alien tech is disseminated, but the manner in which Dr. Lee is portrayed at this point just makes me cringe. Of course, my face is permanently contorted after seeing how Daniel dispatched his assasin. I like Loony Tunes more than the next guy, but wow.

For all the criticism that gets slung around about how Richard Dean Anderson joked too much as O'neill in the later years, and how he became "Cosmic-giddy Jack", there is no way this cartoon would ever have been made while he was still around. Slapstick, goofball sight gags that mock the audience for watching and the characters for participating were not his thing. It's too bad that the show has lost that respect. If this is the epitome of the show's humor these days, then by God I'm thankful it's been put down. It was a mercy kill.

I'd talk more about the plot, but I am unable to locate it. Neither can I expound upon how Bounty fits in with the current storyline. Nor can I really talk about the great character development that Bounty afforded the team. In fact, the only thing I can find to talk about is how bad it is. So, I'll stop. Oh, who am I kidding? I can't stop yet. Doors that slam shut at the push of a button, a patented Krusty the Clown hand buzzer that knocks a guy out after we get to delightfully watch his head bob around, and bad guys shoving other bad guys into broom closests all help Bounty to convey its utter crappiness. And let's not forget the stellar performances of the guest characters in this one. Cam's bumbling friend, all the inept bounty hunters, the stereotypical high school flunkies, and, yes, even Mitchell's remarkably uninteresting or unique family all highlight the mediocrity of this script.

After a handful of episodes wherein the character has grown and been used to great effect, Vala here is again reduced to simple slapstick comedy. There's no real depth behind her words or actions, save in the quick scene where she mentions Tomin with melancholy. It's the worst kind of regression, with the writers ineptly falling back on a character's barest traits and totally ignoring any growth that may have been achieved through previous experiences. For a better look at the writers performing similar criminal acts, see Rodney Mckay on Atlantis, who often exhibits similar bouts of develoment followed by regression.

This was supposed to be a Mitchell episode, but I kind of think that Vala stole most of "his" scenes from him. There's almost no interaction between Cam and his parents, or between Cam and Daryl. The best stuff in the episode for Mitchell was between him and Amy, but even that never aspired to be more than the worst kind of cliche. I'm glad that there's the hope of something more there for Mitchell as I think it would help develop his character some, but I'm also astoundingly certain that it will never, ever come up again. Go figure. Overall, I expected Cam to be front and center more in this.

I briefly mentioned Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c above, and now I find there's little else to say. I find such scant use of so many characters criminal, and am left dumbfounded at how little work the actors have to do sometimes. I suppose in some wholly mercenary way, this is the sweetest deal imaginable for Amanda Tapping, Michael Shanks, and Chris Judge.

I hate that Beau Bridges can't, even after two years on the show, come anywhere close to saying "Goa'uld" correctly. And Landry continues to be the most incompetant commander ever created. "Yeah, Colonel, there's a pack of bounty hunters after you. What's that, you can't hear me? Eh, nevermind then. You have a good time." I'm shocked that he even bothered to hurry SG-1 along to save the day. Backup is not Landry's usual M.O.

Ultimately, I can't fathom a worse indictment of TPTB's ability to produce 20 quality episodes in a season than Bounty. This is the point where I once again express my abundant joy at SG-1's end as a weekly series, and it's move to a less quantitative, but hopefully higher quality format. I don't think the concept is dead and I do think that the writers, especially Cooper and Wright, are capable of producing great stuff centered on SG-1. But I've almost no confidence left in anyone else. Mitchell didn't deserve to have yet another atrocious episode pinned to his character, yet here it is. I feel sorry for everyone involved.

ETA: I forgot about the hand waving of the whole event, including Asgard beaming tech, rings, personal shields, and ray guns. I imagine this was something akin to The Dead Parrot Sketch. So, General Landry sent in a bunch of goons to strongarm the guests into signing nondisclosure agreements. Right, good one. That definitely solves that.

Gee, you really don't like the show do you? Well, you don't have to worry, as there are only what 5 new episodes left? Then you won't have to watch anymore.

You know, the saying you can't please everyone all of the time. You can please some people some of the time, but not everyone will be happy.

Although I don't think it was a particularly great episode, I did like some things about it. We got some back story about Cam and his family, that's good. We had some laughs, that's good too. And we got to finally see some benefit to all those years of having alien technology to research, definitely good. The plot idea was good, but the it was a bit rushed and not fully coherent, and also not fully explained why there was a need to have a bounty on SG-1 in the first place. It certainly a better episode than several S9 or a few S10 episodes. Though, at this stage of the game, I'd expect a bit more from the writers.

Web Of Hair
February 7th, 2007, 07:37 PM
One thing that woulda made the episode 10X better.... A nice splatter sound when the bus hit the Bounty Hunter girl! Then with blood splattering all over the woman and her baby! :)

OK maybe if it were still on Showtime........

Gwin
February 7th, 2007, 07:46 PM
After this really creepy ending of The Shroud it was kind of a short relief to loose the Ori story for a while and focus on characters.
I mean, we know how helpless everyone was when the first ships came through the Supergate, this seven ships left into Hyperspace, so they are lost for the moment. And I guess there a lots of people working on it.
So it was right to focus on an enemy you can lay your hand on and who could hurt you deep. And it was right to go away from the heavy things, give us a chance to breathe deeply for the next big thing.

I bet this episode wouldn't exist, if the writers had known about cancelation earlier. And for that I'm glad that they knew first after the shooting of the 17th episode. Because this episode is full of great ideas, in a different way great, because it can't be compared to the episodes which deal with the Ori story, but nevertheless great... and really, there is plenty of time to finish the Ori story in a good way.

golfbooy
February 7th, 2007, 08:16 PM
Gee, you really don't like the show do you?
Quite the opposite, I'm afraid. I believe I've liked it for too long, and with too discerning an eye. I approach it with the expectations of the past, not the reality of the present, and as such find it lacking where there is no chance for remedy. This was not an episode that exhibited professional quality or in any way met the standards the show has set for itself. That's the long and the short of it.

DaCk
February 7th, 2007, 08:24 PM
I thought the episode was ok. Somethings were a bit cheesy but it was a fun episode. I thought the energy weapon was pretty cool. I hope we get some bigger versions soon on the ships!!! :cameron:

And did anyone else notice that when Teal'c was ambushed at the stargate that when he fired back his staff weapon was still closed?

Vargarv
February 7th, 2007, 08:49 PM
And did anyone else notice that when Teal'c was ambushed at the stargate that when he fired back his staff weapon was still closed?

I just checked and u r right, the staff was closed and it fired !!!, seconds later it was open but anyway they screwed up.

MB.Eddie
February 7th, 2007, 08:59 PM
Pretty solid filler ep. Nice to see a bit more of the Lucian Alliance, and that cargo train was cool :) Also was cool to see a heap of Bounty Hunters at work.

This was a good ep for all the characters to go their own direction, and i think they pulled it off quite well. It was nice to see Vala with someone else other than Daniel, and she was great again in this ep. Im so glad they brought her into the show.

I'd give this ep 8/10

travis
February 7th, 2007, 09:39 PM
Not bad ep not as good as the last four but still watchable. Vala was just harlarious as usal. The best bit was when the assasin got hit by a bus LOL I was on the floor just cacking it. Though I new it was gonna happen it still was a suprise as it just happen so suddenly and randomly lol.

suse
February 7th, 2007, 09:39 PM
Quite the opposite, I'm afraid. I believe I've liked it for too long, and with too discerning an eye. I approach it with the expectations of the past, not the reality of the present, and as such find it lacking where there is no chance for remedy. This was not an episode that exhibited professional quality or in any way met the standards the show has set for itself. That's the long and the short of it.

Ah, yes. That pesky "lowering of standards to enjoy the show" strikes again. I ithnk I've lowered mine almost far enough now. And it's been a while since I watched any reruns.

On topic: Who thinks getting someone to take over the Lucien Alliance will backfire? I must say I agree witht golfbooy; I was shocked when SG-1 let a bounty hunter that was after them go so he could take out the boss. I guess there's no assassins guild in this universe. ;)

What happens when that "blood" clears? He goes after those that can expose that he turned on a contract. Assuming there is a twisted form of "honor" in his profession. Well if the show hadn't been cancelled.

suse

the dancer of spaz
February 7th, 2007, 10:03 PM
OK, Bounty was enormously silly and a pretty contrived (I'm thinking "Beverly Hills 90210: The Reunion"), but there were moments that really seemed to redeem it for me. For one thing, Vala had, and continues to have, the best one-liners on the show. While this episode was Cameron's character episode, Vala stole the show.

From her inappropriate mentioning of her and Cameron's supposedly "intimate" moments together in front of his parents, to her casual inquiry about taking a life insurance policy on Cameron, I had to smile. She can be such an obnoxious handful sometimes, but Vala's really grown on me. :) What can I say?

One side note about Vala: As much as I don't like it when Vala seems to get free reign of any situation, I don't see the point of having the supposed he-men, Daniel and Cameron, put her in her place by shouting at her or using physical force. Something about that just rubs me the wrong way, because it tends to happen at, imo, inappropriate times. Still, BB and CB's chemistry together is undeniable, so that's always a bankable plus.

I also think I'm officially a Cam/Amy shipper. :eek: Plus, she's already seen what he does all the time first hand, so no biggie in that department. Hate to say it, but Cam's a pretty simple man. There's a reason why Vala was bored with her. She's a completely different breed that probably fits right in with Cameron's tastes. And Vala and Darrell? I found that to be a very cute dynamic - one devoid of any future, but cute nonetheless. They're totally on the same wavelength in terms of personality, so maybe a friendship was born. But I thought it was interesting that she's still loyal to Tomin after all this time. That relationship is currently the most convoluted imo, and I hope they explore it further.

Daniel and Teal'c were pretty much out of the picture, as was Sam to some extent. I liked how she and Dr. Lee interacted. Over the years, there's been some question as to whether the two scientists actually get along, but seasons nine and ten pretty much proved to me that they do have a nice working relationship. Their mix-matched pairing is pretty cool, and the look on Sam's face when she saw the ladies' expression was, as promised, priceless.

I kinda wonder if this is the last of the Lucian Alliance or not. I understand they wanted to shake it up from the Ori every once in a while, which is totally understandable, but the LA have been kinda meh for me. They need to either make that particular group of villains more menacing (and realistically so), or they need to have SG-1 annihilate them and all of their little kasa thingies once and for all.

I won't go into how I'm confused about what Daniel's particular bounty hunter was on about in the library, or how the hologram stuff confuses me (How can they see out into the crowd? Or move from one spot to another without disappearing like Sam did on stage?). Those are nit-picky things that I'm sure others have already brought up and answered.

Overall, it was an OK filler episode - not nearly as cringeworthy as Off The Grid.

Mitchell82
February 7th, 2007, 10:10 PM
You want pithy? Don't bother watching.

It's not Stargate. It's not anything. It's just a bunch of random scenes strung together by the flimsiest of "plots". It's not even full of sound and fury, it's just plain old nothing. And there's certainly no signifying going on. Bounty is far and away the worst episode of season ten, and probably one of the absolute worst, most pointless episodes that the show has ever, ever done. And SG-1 has done more than 200 of them.

The wrongness of this episode is not Mitchell's fault. Well, it's not his fault in the same way that Stronghold and Off the Grid were his fault. No, this was the writers totally and willingly abrogating all responsibility to tell a story that is in any way coherent or in concert with the rest of the show, season, whatever. The only way that the awfulness of this episode can be attributed to Mitchell is in the necessity to write something, anything for the character. It's episodes like these (and there have been way too many of them) where the character's weakness is fully revealed. These writers don't know how to fit Cameron Mitchell into a Stargate story. They don't. So, instead of producing a mutated monster like Off the Grid, they just decided not to write an SG-1 episode at all. My God, I can't believe how bad this sucked. The idea that something this ridiculous passed the muster of so many people while it was being made is enough to scare me off of the whole show.

As things go, I didn't expect the teaser to be the best part of the episode. I've never liked the Lucien Alliance. The idea is somewhat sound, but the execution has been horribly slipshod, resulting in me be subjected to regular visits from cartoon characters like Netan and sundry bounty hunters. Here again the Alliance and its cohorts are displayed as a comic book regime, full of arch villains perpetrating evil acts upon each other and the general populace, with nary a thought being given to their motivations or objectives. And speaking of motivations, I still haven't figured out SG-1's. Why are we destroying kassa shipments? Are we protectors of the galaxy at large? Do we police the universe, are we the intergalactic DEA? Aren't there bigger fish to fry? And did we just release a bounty hunter on a mission to assasinate the head of the Lucien Alliance? What?

Bounty tries to make up for it's lack of plot by conjoining as many "cute" moments as the writers thought they could resonably get away with. Daniel's assault at the library is bizarre and pointless. Not to be outdone, Sam's and Dr. Lee's "performance" on stage at the conference with goofy space guns is equally asinine. Only Teal'c's ambush is played straight, and the intelligence with which Chris Judge imbues the character is the only thing to save this segment from descending into bufoonery as well. He must not have gotten the memo on this story's tone. Either that, or he got a different director. Each moment could have been used more effectively. The conference was perhaps most worthwhile for the glimpse as to how alien tech is disseminated, but the manner in which Dr. Lee is portrayed at this point just makes me cringe. Of course, my face is permanently contorted after seeing how Daniel dispatched his assasin. I like Loony Tunes more than the next guy, but wow.

For all the criticism that gets slung around about how Richard Dean Anderson joked too much as O'neill in the later years, and how he became "Cosmic-giddy Jack", there is no way this cartoon would ever have been made while he was still around. Slapstick, goofball sight gags that mock the audience for watching and the characters for participating were not his thing. It's too bad that the show has lost that respect. If this is the epitome of the show's humor these days, then by God I'm thankful it's been put down. It was a mercy kill.

I'd talk more about the plot, but I am unable to locate it. Neither can I expound upon how Bounty fits in with the current storyline. Nor can I really talk about the great character development that Bounty afforded the team. In fact, the only thing I can find to talk about is how bad it is. So, I'll stop. Oh, who am I kidding? I can't stop yet. Doors that slam shut at the push of a button, a patented Krusty the Clown hand buzzer that knocks a guy out after we get to delightfully watch his head bob around, and bad guys shoving other bad guys into broom closests all help Bounty to convey its utter crappiness. And let's not forget the stellar performances of the guest characters in this one. Cam's bumbling friend, all the inept bounty hunters, the stereotypical high school flunkies, and, yes, even Mitchell's remarkably uninteresting or unique family all highlight the mediocrity of this script.

After a handful of episodes wherein the character has grown and been used to great effect, Vala here is again reduced to simple slapstick comedy. There's no real depth behind her words or actions, save in the quick scene where she mentions Tomin with melancholy. It's the worst kind of regression, with the writers ineptly falling back on a character's barest traits and totally ignoring any growth that may have been achieved through previous experiences. For a better look at the writers performing similar criminal acts, see Rodney Mckay on Atlantis, who often exhibits similar bouts of develoment followed by regression.

This was supposed to be a Mitchell episode, but I kind of think that Vala stole most of "his" scenes from him. There's almost no interaction between Cam and his parents, or between Cam and Daryl. The best stuff in the episode for Mitchell was between him and Amy, but even that never aspired to be more than the worst kind of cliche. I'm glad that there's the hope of something more there for Mitchell as I think it would help develop his character some, but I'm also astoundingly certain that it will never, ever come up again. Go figure. Overall, I expected Cam to be front and center more in this.

I briefly mentioned Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c above, and now I find there's little else to say. I find such scant use of so many characters criminal, and am left dumbfounded at how little work the actors have to do sometimes. I suppose in some wholly mercenary way, this is the sweetest deal imaginable for Amanda Tapping, Michael Shanks, and Chris Judge.

I hate that Beau Bridges can't, even after two years on the show, come anywhere close to saying "Goa'uld" correctly. And Landry continues to be the most incompetant commander ever created. "Yeah, Colonel, there's a pack of bounty hunters after you. What's that, you can't hear me? Eh, nevermind then. You have a good time." I'm shocked that he even bothered to hurry SG-1 along to save the day. Backup is not Landry's usual M.O.

Ultimately, I can't fathom a worse indictment of TPTB's ability to produce 20 quality episodes in a season than Bounty. This is the point where I once again express my abundant joy at SG-1's end as a weekly series, and it's move to a less quantitative, but hopefully higher quality format. I don't think the concept is dead and I do think that the writers, especially Cooper and Wright, are capable of producing great stuff centered on SG-1. But I've almost no confidence left in anyone else. Mitchell didn't deserve to have yet another atrocious episode pinned to his character, yet here it is. I feel sorry for everyone involved.

ETA: I forgot about the hand waving of the whole event, including Asgard beaming tech, rings, personal shields, and ray guns. I imagine this was something akin to The Dead Parrot Sketch. So, General Landry sent in a bunch of goons to strongarm the guests into signing nondisclosure agreements. Right, good one. That definitely solves that.
Question. Is their a single episode you do like? You pretty much say thatSG-1 has had 200 crap episodes, so why the hell do you even watch? landry is far from a incompetant comander he is in fact a great comander and Landry is not the only one who has a problem sayin goa'uld corectly. TPTB have done a great job in coming up with 20 solid eps a year. Most are great eps and some good. I happen to like or love all epsiodes just some betteer than others. They actually do quite well. As to the episode in question it was handled well. It was meant to be light hearted which it was, and also had good action. It was also very sweet from time to time.
As to the public learning about technology the only place that was an issue was the renuion. The other p;lace they thought iut was part of the demo, and the woman never saw the weapon very well. They handled the reunion incident just like the military would. A NDA was signed by each person so no security breach. This was all around a solid episode.

the fifth man
February 7th, 2007, 10:23 PM
Wow, this episode was way better than I expected it to be. TPTB really did a great job with the concept of this one. I'd give it a solid 8/10.

Gwynevere
February 7th, 2007, 10:37 PM
I wasn't expecting anything out of this episode but it was really good. I think I liked it because everybody was doing their own thing. Cam and Vala were hilarious and I thought it was really funny when that bounty hunter got hit by the bus(it was very unexpected). I also liked when Cam was falling over his chair, that was hilarious. I have to mention that I really like Cam and his high school crush(blanking on the name right now) they had really nice chemistry.

Quinn Mallory
February 7th, 2007, 10:52 PM
Fun episode that far exceed my low expectation of it going in. Good amount of team action in the beginning and end for an episode where everyone is more or less split up.

Now on to nitpick, I can't believe SG-1 would spend that much time dealing with the Lucian Alliance with the Ori being such a threat (especially with the extra ships) but that's more of my issue with the Lucian Alliance arc for this season. Second, quite a bit of seredipidous things worked for SG-1 such as that female bounty hunter being hit by bus and the bounty hunters missing their original shots but I'll take the extra suspension of belief in the fun episode.

Hubble
February 7th, 2007, 11:02 PM
Question. Is their a single episode you do like? You pretty much say thatSG-1 has had 200 crap episodes, so why the hell do you even watch? landry is far from a incompetant comander he is in fact a great comander and Landry is not the only one who has a problem sayin goa'uld corectly. TPTB have done a great job in coming up with 20 solid eps a year. Most are great eps and some good. I happen to like or love all epsiodes just some betteer than others. They actually do quite well. As to the episode in question it was handled well. It was meant to be light hearted which it was, and also had good action. It was also very sweet from time to time.
As to the public learning about technology the only place that was an issue was the renuion. The other p;lace they thought iut was part of the demo, and the woman never saw the weapon very well. They handled the reunion incident just like the military would. A NDA was signed by each person so no security breach. This was all around a solid episode.

I think you misinterpreted Golfbooy's comment. I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying that all 200+ episodes of Stargate SG-1 have been crap episodes; I took it to mean he was saying that this was possibly one of the worst, most pointless episodes ever – out of the more than 200 episodes.

My feelings on this episode mirror GB's. I think this was a crap episode - which seems to be a minority opinion so far. It's nice that you enjoyed it. Not everyone did.

PG15
February 7th, 2007, 11:04 PM
What can I say? Anything would look bad after First Strike. Fortunately, Bounty is faaar from bad. As usual, I was greeted with a solid hour of entertainment; not great, but it pleased me, and that's all it matters.

As some have said, this was a fun episode. There were quite a few character moments, most of them from Vala, whom I love and who was supremely hot this episode. :D

Anyway, the points:

Unlike past episodes, all of the guest stars were not-annoying. ;) Darrell was hilarious, and reminds me of quite a few people I know. Amy was sweet, even though it's likely we'll never see again. She seemed "real", unlike many other one-time-love-interests. The main bounty hunter was very suave, as was expected, and not once did I think he was acting stupid, which is a major minus in a villain, obviously. It was nice to see Cam's dad again, but I couldn't help remembering that the actor was actually younger than Ben Browder. And lastly, his mom was just so...motherly (it's late at night here). And who can forget the pie? I love pie! :D

Did I mention how hot Vala was in this episode? Yeah, I'm a young male, you don't have to check my profile. :p

But really, I thought Vala shone in this episode; even though she seems to have regained some of her...let's say promiscuity-ness of a year past, she always seemed like in control. Like Darrell said, she can be very intimidating. But then, that's what's so awesome about her! :D Loved all of her little moments with Cam, the straw-in-the-mouth, the shooting range, you name it!

Above all else, this episode made me laugh. I chuckled at Darrell starring at Vala's behind, I giggled when Teal'c, so casually, pulled out the zat and shot his would-be assassin, I chortled at Dr. Lee's womanizing (he deserves it :D), I snickered at Danny's assassin getting hit by a bus, my side split at hearing Vala's various strange stories of her past, I...uh...LOLed at Cam and Vala's oh-so-couple-like words to each other at the end of the ep, and...well, there's much more where they came from.

Did I mention how much I love the thesaurus? Very useful things...

Oh yeah, before I forget, did anyone else catch the "Binder Prize in Physics"? Who knew Carl had it in him? ;)

Lastly, I just like to mention that, once again, I failed to predict a lot of the twists. Ok, I saw Danny's assassin from a mile away, but I did not see neither of the Chimera tricks, nor did I see the ending coming. I guess Netan's dead meat now eh? Pfft, he's always been just a poser. ;)

All in all a solid, entertaining hour of television. Even though it didn't match up with the last 4 heavy-weight episodes, it was nice to get a little break, and a little chance to laugh out loud.

Score: 8/10

RealmOfX
February 8th, 2007, 12:52 AM
Question. Is their a single episode you do like? You pretty much say thatSG-1 has had 200 crap episodes, so why the hell do you even watch? landry is far from a incompetant comander he is in fact a great comander and Landry is not the only one who has a problem sayin goa'uld corectly. TPTB have done a great job in coming up with 20 solid eps a year. Most are great eps and some good. I happen to like or love all epsiodes just some betteer than others. They actually do quite well. As to the episode in question it was handled well. It was meant to be light hearted which it was, and also had good action. It was also very sweet from time to time.
As to the public learning about technology the only place that was an issue was the renuion. The other p;lace they thought iut was part of the demo, and the woman never saw the weapon very well. They handled the reunion incident just like the military would. A NDA was signed by each person so no security breach. This was all around a solid episode.

Question. Why do you always take issue with the people who express an opinion that differs to yours??

Apart from being against forum rules, it is really tiresome. Especially when someone goes to the trouble of saying why they don't like something or how it could be better. You see, some people do actually have standards and don't like everything that is shoved under their noses, unlike some.

You disagree with an opinion then fine, put forward a countering opinion about the episode NOT the person.

I thought it was a pretty lousy ep full of juvenile humour that wandered all over the place haphazardy and had some good visual effects. Others don't agree which is fair enough, at least someone enjoyed it. I happen to agree that Landry is a bad commander though not the most incompetant as I've seen worse but then I don't expect everyone to agree with that, not even 24 year olds in Retail masquerading as majors. Opinions vary, get used to it.

spaceangel
February 8th, 2007, 01:48 AM
You want pithy? Don't bother watching.

It's not Stargate. It's not anything. It's just a bunch of random scenes strung together by the flimsiest of "plots". It's not even full of sound and fury, it's just plain old nothing. And there's certainly no signifying going on. Bounty is far and away the worst episode of season ten, and probably one of the absolute worst, most pointless episodes that the show has ever, ever done. And SG-1 has done more than 200 of them.

The wrongness of this episode is not Mitchell's fault. Well, it's not his fault in the same way that Stronghold and Off the Grid were his fault. No, this was the writers totally and willingly abrogating all responsibility to tell a story that is in any way coherent or in concert with the rest of the show, season, whatever. The only way that the awfulness of this episode can be attributed to Mitchell is in the necessity to write something, anything for the character. It's episodes like these (and there have been way too many of them) where the character's weakness is fully revealed. These writers don't know how to fit Cameron Mitchell into a Stargate story. They don't. So, instead of producing a mutated monster like Off the Grid, they just decided not to write an SG-1 episode at all. My God, I can't believe how bad this sucked. The idea that something this ridiculous passed the muster of so many people while it was being made is enough to scare me off of the whole show.

As things go, I didn't expect the teaser to be the best part of the episode. I've never liked the Lucien Alliance. The idea is somewhat sound, but the execution has been horribly slipshod, resulting in me be subjected to regular visits from cartoon characters like Netan and sundry bounty hunters. Here again the Alliance and its cohorts are displayed as a comic book regime, full of arch villains perpetrating evil acts upon each other and the general populace, with nary a thought being given to their motivations or objectives. And speaking of motivations, I still haven't figured out SG-1's. Why are we destroying kassa shipments? Are we protectors of the galaxy at large? Do we police the universe, are we the intergalactic DEA? Aren't there bigger fish to fry? And did we just release a bounty hunter on a mission to assasinate the head of the Lucien Alliance? What?

Bounty tries to make up for it's lack of plot by conjoining as many "cute" moments as the writers thought they could resonably get away with. Daniel's assault at the library is bizarre and pointless. Not to be outdone, Sam's and Dr. Lee's "performance" on stage at the conference with goofy space guns is equally asinine. Only Teal'c's ambush is played straight, and the intelligence with which Chris Judge imbues the character is the only thing to save this segment from descending into bufoonery as well. He must not have gotten the memo on this story's tone. Either that, or he got a different director. Each moment could have been used more effectively. The conference was perhaps most worthwhile for the glimpse as to how alien tech is disseminated, but the manner in which Dr. Lee is portrayed at this point just makes me cringe. Of course, my face is permanently contorted after seeing how Daniel dispatched his assasin. I like Loony Tunes more than the next guy, but wow.

For all the criticism that gets slung around about how Richard Dean Anderson joked too much as O'neill in the later years, and how he became "Cosmic-giddy Jack", there is no way this cartoon would ever have been made while he was still around. Slapstick, goofball sight gags that mock the audience for watching and the characters for participating were not his thing. It's too bad that the show has lost that respect. If this is the epitome of the show's humor these days, then by God I'm thankful it's been put down. It was a mercy kill.

I'd talk more about the plot, but I am unable to locate it. Neither can I expound upon how Bounty fits in with the current storyline. Nor can I really talk about the great character development that Bounty afforded the team. In fact, the only thing I can find to talk about is how bad it is. So, I'll stop. Oh, who am I kidding? I can't stop yet. Doors that slam shut at the push of a button, a patented Krusty the Clown hand buzzer that knocks a guy out after we get to delightfully watch his head bob around, and bad guys shoving other bad guys into broom closests all help Bounty to convey its utter crappiness. And let's not forget the stellar performances of the guest characters in this one. Cam's bumbling friend, all the inept bounty hunters, the stereotypical high school flunkies, and, yes, even Mitchell's remarkably uninteresting or unique family all highlight the mediocrity of this script.

After a handful of episodes wherein the character has grown and been used to great effect, Vala here is again reduced to simple slapstick comedy. There's no real depth behind her words or actions, save in the quick scene where she mentions Tomin with melancholy. It's the worst kind of regression, with the writers ineptly falling back on a character's barest traits and totally ignoring any growth that may have been achieved through previous experiences. For a better look at the writers performing similar criminal acts, see Rodney Mckay on Atlantis, who often exhibits similar bouts of develoment followed by regression.

This was supposed to be a Mitchell episode, but I kind of think that Vala stole most of "his" scenes from him. There's almost no interaction between Cam and his parents, or between Cam and Daryl. The best stuff in the episode for Mitchell was between him and Amy, but even that never aspired to be more than the worst kind of cliche. I'm glad that there's the hope of something more there for Mitchell as I think it would help develop his character some, but I'm also astoundingly certain that it will never, ever come up again. Go figure. Overall, I expected Cam to be front and center more in this.

I briefly mentioned Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c above, and now I find there's little else to say. I find such scant use of so many characters criminal, and am left dumbfounded at how little work the actors have to do sometimes. I suppose in some wholly mercenary way, this is the sweetest deal imaginable for Amanda Tapping, Michael Shanks, and Chris Judge.

I hate that Beau Bridges can't, even after two years on the show, come anywhere close to saying "Goa'uld" correctly. And Landry continues to be the most incompetant commander ever created. "Yeah, Colonel, there's a pack of bounty hunters after you. What's that, you can't hear me? Eh, nevermind then. You have a good time." I'm shocked that he even bothered to hurry SG-1 along to save the day. Backup is not Landry's usual M.O.

Ultimately, I can't fathom a worse indictment of TPTB's ability to produce 20 quality episodes in a season than Bounty. This is the point where I once again express my abundant joy at SG-1's end as a weekly series, and it's move to a less quantitative, but hopefully higher quality format. I don't think the concept is dead and I do think that the writers, especially Cooper and Wright, are capable of producing great stuff centered on SG-1. But I've almost no confidence left in anyone else. Mitchell didn't deserve to have yet another atrocious episode pinned to his character, yet here it is. I feel sorry for everyone involved.

ETA: I forgot about the hand waving of the whole event, including Asgard beaming tech, rings, personal shields, and ray guns. I imagine this was something akin to The Dead Parrot Sketch. So, General Landry sent in a bunch of goons to strongarm the guests into signing nondisclosure agreements. Right, good one. That definitely solves that.

You know, while you have every right to your opinion I think that you are being a bit hard on the fans that enjoyed this, and on the actors. You may have more of a point about the writers. But not every episode has to be part of the massive plot arc that SG-1 has accumulatd over 10 years. In fact I'm sure that has what has lost viewers. Sometimes it's too much effort to pick up every reference to the past.
Also with reference to RDA...'slapstick ...gags that mock the audience for watching and the actors for participating were not his thing'. Are you sure about that? SG-1 has always been pretty self-referential and there have been many occasions that Iv'e felt a hint of mockery for the audience. But hey, I think they always come in useful when I'm starting to forget that it realy IS just a TV show and not RL.
Anyway, I can't feel sorry for finding this a delightful episode. When I watch I want to be entertained. Soemtimes I want meat, sometimes I want sugar!:p

Commander Ivanova
February 8th, 2007, 03:12 AM
When I watch I want to be entertained. Soemtimes I want meat, sometimes I want sugar!:p

Nice way to put it. Similarly, I like eps with huge honkin' space guns and mega explosions but I also like a bit of fluff or character development. Doesn't matter if they're in the same or different episodes.

Hyperwarp
February 8th, 2007, 04:42 AM
Bounty = http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/sign0020.gif

Yeah, dumb episode, but was fun to watch! Gave me a few good laughs! :D

PS: And Daniels Assassin? http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/sign0175.gif

RealmOfX
February 8th, 2007, 06:32 AM
You know, while you have every right to your opinion I think that you are being a bit hard on the fans that enjoyed this, and on the actors. You may have more of a point about the writers. But not every episode has to be part of the massive plot arc that SG-1 has accumulatd over 10 years. In fact I'm sure that has what has lost viewers. Sometimes it's too much effort to pick up every reference to the past.
Also with reference to RDA...'slapstick ...gags that mock the audience for watching and the actors for participating were not his thing'. Are you sure about that? SG-1 has always been pretty self-referential and there have been many occasions that Iv'e felt a hint of mockery for the audience. But hey, I think they always come in useful when I'm starting to forget that it realy IS just a TV show and not RL.
Anyway, I can't feel sorry for finding this a delightful episode. When I watch I want to be entertained. Soemtimes I want meat, sometimes I want sugar!:p

Looks at golfbooy's post
Looks at this one



Golfbooy wasn't being hard on fans, he didn't mention them at all in that context. I get the feeling that you are taking Golfbooy's comments about the episode personally. If you want to take offence at golfbooy's not liking the episode and wanting SG-1 to live up to it's previous standards as he sees it, then go right ahead but don't bring it onto the forum. It's not about you, it's about the episode.

Golfbooy mentions RDA in context of him not allowing juvenile junk like this get on the screen (my abbreviated interpretation). He also mentions he doesn't like how Beau can't seem to pronounce Goa'uld properly after 2 years and he doesn't like it. To me it seems a fair enough expectation for a professional actor to be able to pronounce a simple word like Goa'uld; three syllables "goo a uld", it isn't that difficult. I don't see that as being too hard on the actors, is that what you are referring to?

You also might try to get your quotes correct, you substituted actor in an instance where golfbooy used character.

Nobody asked you to feel sorry for liking this episode, how did someone expressing their opinion of an episode become about you??? As for your meal choices, well one would hope that you are adult enough to realise that everyone will not make the same choices as you and respect that.

Pitry
February 8th, 2007, 07:06 AM
Quite the opposite, I'm afraid. I believe I've liked it for too long, and with too discerning an eye. I approach it with the expectations of the past, not the reality of the present, and as such find it lacking where there is no chance for remedy. This was not an episode that exhibited professional quality or in any way met the standards the show has set for itself. That's the long and the short of it.

See... kinda odd. I mean, I agreed with a lot fo what you said in your initial post - not all of it, as I did find several parts of this episode entertaining to some degree - but msot of it. But I actually find that in its silliness and bad humour it actually is differnet from seasons 9-10 and not at all in line with them. If there's one episode I think Bounty resembles it's Prometheus Unbound, only in PU they managed to have the dumb comedy work, and ehre they haven't - quite possibly (IMO) because the episode fits PDL's sense of humuor a tad bit too much... don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good director (and a writer, and he;s a great actor ;)) and I usually enjoy his episode,s but I think Bounty had too much of the humour appealing him in roder to have some balance.

phibi
February 8th, 2007, 07:24 AM
I like the part where the woman trying to kill Daniel cross the road and got ran over by the bus. LOL.

oh yes!!! i loved that scene... i laughed my head off *still chuckles

suse
February 8th, 2007, 07:30 AM
It soesn't bother me that this episode has nothing to do with the rather "flushable" Ori. :D Not at all. It's nice to tatke a break. Again, it comes down to how the break is taken. I LOL several times. Vala does have some great one-liner's. I was usually also rolling my eyes. At least they didn't put her in the dominatrix outfit again. That must have been recut for her baby girl. :rolleyes: Another couple inches of material wouldn't have done amiss. At least I (and yes, it's all about me :D) might not have been jarred out of enjoying the ep into wondering what was going on in the writers/directors/costumers heads. Then realizing what a dumb queation that was. ;) It wasn't the OTT stuff I found funny. I found the bus thing cringe-worthy. And not because she was run over. <sigh> It was the actors expressions mostly. Because this ep was seriously weak on plot. But has several amusing moments.

While I agree with much of golfbooy's assessment I'm a bit more mellow about it. I've lowered my expectations to expect something just above drivel (storywise). So I'm not usually disappointed much. And can even find amusement where I'd have ... not ... before. I do still have a bit of melancoly for the "good ol' days" when I could expect more though. Ity's been a tough adjustment

suse

Rachel500
February 8th, 2007, 08:34 AM
You want pithy? Don't bother watching.

It's not Stargate. It's not anything. It's just a bunch of random scenes strung together by the flimsiest of "plots". It's not even full of sound and fury, it's just plain old nothing. And there's certainly no signifying going on. Bounty is far and away the worst episode of season ten, and probably one of the absolute worst, most pointless episodes that the show has ever, ever done. And SG-1 has done more than 200 of them.

The wrongness of this episode is not Mitchell's fault. Well, it's not his fault in the same way that Stronghold and Off the Grid were his fault. No, this was the writers totally and willingly abrogating all responsibility to tell a story that is in any way coherent or in concert with the rest of the show, season, whatever. The only way that the awfulness of this episode can be attributed to Mitchell is in the necessity to write something, anything for the character. It's episodes like these (and there have been way too many of them) where the character's weakness is fully revealed. These writers don't know how to fit Cameron Mitchell into a Stargate story. They don't. So, instead of producing a mutated monster like Off the Grid, they just decided not to write an SG-1 episode at all. My God, I can't believe how bad this sucked. The idea that something this ridiculous passed the muster of so many people while it was being made is enough to scare me off of the whole show.

As things go, I didn't expect the teaser to be the best part of the episode. I've never liked the Lucien Alliance. The idea is somewhat sound, but the execution has been horribly slipshod, resulting in me be subjected to regular visits from cartoon characters like Netan and sundry bounty hunters. Here again the Alliance and its cohorts are displayed as a comic book regime, full of arch villains perpetrating evil acts upon each other and the general populace, with nary a thought being given to their motivations or objectives. And speaking of motivations, I still haven't figured out SG-1's. Why are we destroying kassa shipments? Are we protectors of the galaxy at large? Do we police the universe, are we the intergalactic DEA? Aren't there bigger fish to fry? And did we just release a bounty hunter on a mission to assasinate the head of the Lucien Alliance? What?

Bounty tries to make up for it's lack of plot by conjoining as many "cute" moments as the writers thought they could resonably get away with. Daniel's assault at the library is bizarre and pointless. Not to be outdone, Sam's and Dr. Lee's "performance" on stage at the conference with goofy space guns is equally asinine. Only Teal'c's ambush is played straight, and the intelligence with which Chris Judge imbues the character is the only thing to save this segment from descending into bufoonery as well. He must not have gotten the memo on this story's tone. Either that, or he got a different director. Each moment could have been used more effectively. The conference was perhaps most worthwhile for the glimpse as to how alien tech is disseminated, but the manner in which Dr. Lee is portrayed at this point just makes me cringe. Of course, my face is permanently contorted after seeing how Daniel dispatched his assasin. I like Loony Tunes more than the next guy, but wow.

For all the criticism that gets slung around about how Richard Dean Anderson joked too much as O'neill in the later years, and how he became "Cosmic-giddy Jack", there is no way this cartoon would ever have been made while he was still around. Slapstick, goofball sight gags that mock the audience for watching and the characters for participating were not his thing. It's too bad that the show has lost that respect. If this is the epitome of the show's humor these days, then by God I'm thankful it's been put down. It was a mercy kill.

I'd talk more about the plot, but I am unable to locate it. Neither can I expound upon how Bounty fits in with the current storyline. Nor can I really talk about the great character development that Bounty afforded the team. In fact, the only thing I can find to talk about is how bad it is. So, I'll stop. Oh, who am I kidding? I can't stop yet. Doors that slam shut at the push of a button, a patented Krusty the Clown hand buzzer that knocks a guy out after we get to delightfully watch his head bob around, and bad guys shoving other bad guys into broom closests all help Bounty to convey its utter crappiness. And let's not forget the stellar performances of the guest characters in this one. Cam's bumbling friend, all the inept bounty hunters, the stereotypical high school flunkies, and, yes, even Mitchell's remarkably uninteresting or unique family all highlight the mediocrity of this script.

After a handful of episodes wherein the character has grown and been used to great effect, Vala here is again reduced to simple slapstick comedy. There's no real depth behind her words or actions, save in the quick scene where she mentions Tomin with melancholy. It's the worst kind of regression, with the writers ineptly falling back on a character's barest traits and totally ignoring any growth that may have been achieved through previous experiences. For a better look at the writers performing similar criminal acts, see Rodney Mckay on Atlantis, who often exhibits similar bouts of develoment followed by regression.

This was supposed to be a Mitchell episode, but I kind of think that Vala stole most of "his" scenes from him. There's almost no interaction between Cam and his parents, or between Cam and Daryl. The best stuff in the episode for Mitchell was between him and Amy, but even that never aspired to be more than the worst kind of cliche. I'm glad that there's the hope of something more there for Mitchell as I think it would help develop his character some, but I'm also astoundingly certain that it will never, ever come up again. Go figure. Overall, I expected Cam to be front and center more in this.

I briefly mentioned Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c above, and now I find there's little else to say. I find such scant use of so many characters criminal, and am left dumbfounded at how little work the actors have to do sometimes. I suppose in some wholly mercenary way, this is the sweetest deal imaginable for Amanda Tapping, Michael Shanks, and Chris Judge.

I hate that Beau Bridges can't, even after two years on the show, come anywhere close to saying "Goa'uld" correctly. And Landry continues to be the most incompetant commander ever created. "Yeah, Colonel, there's a pack of bounty hunters after you. What's that, you can't hear me? Eh, nevermind then. You have a good time." I'm shocked that he even bothered to hurry SG-1 along to save the day. Backup is not Landry's usual M.O.

Ultimately, I can't fathom a worse indictment of TPTB's ability to produce 20 quality episodes in a season than Bounty. This is the point where I once again express my abundant joy at SG-1's end as a weekly series, and it's move to a less quantitative, but hopefully higher quality format. I don't think the concept is dead and I do think that the writers, especially Cooper and Wright, are capable of producing great stuff centered on SG-1. But I've almost no confidence left in anyone else. Mitchell didn't deserve to have yet another atrocious episode pinned to his character, yet here it is. I feel sorry for everyone involved.

ETA: I forgot about the hand waving of the whole event, including Asgard beaming tech, rings, personal shields, and ray guns. I imagine this was something akin to The Dead Parrot Sketch. So, General Landry sent in a bunch of goons to strongarm the guests into signing nondisclosure agreements. Right, good one. That definitely solves that.

So...are you saying you didn't like it? ;)

I think comedy episodes are always a bit hit and miss; if someone finds it funny then the flaws of the episode are forgiven more readily; if someone doesn't then the flaws are more evident. And it admittedly had a lot of flaws;

I do think the story had a structure and a plot; cliche ridden and lacking in surprises though it was. I'm not a fan of the Lucien Alliance; they've never gelled as an enemy and I agree with you over the whole releasing of the bounty hunter - I was 'huh?' I wondered what the heck this was doing after The Shroud in terms of production airing and it had no place in the overall arc beyond killing Netan and hopefully concluding the LA sub-arc.

I personally no longer worry about the believability of the existence of the programme remaining secret to the general public since they beamed a whole building away in EDM but accept this story added to that whole debate.

I accepted that Vala was going to be used primarily for comic effect, HATED the Daisy Duke outfit, and was surprised actually that she got a couple of good 'real' moments, one with Daryl about Tomin and one with Cam's parents at the end. But I also found her funny especially with Cam's Mom and I agree she did steal the show from Mitchell. Mitchell got his back-story put on-screen and a girl friend but little actual character development...unless one counts getting a girl friend...

I also didn't mind Sam/Teal'c/Daniel taking second chair on this one...Sam's had a good couple of episodes recently as has Daniel and I sincerely hope Teal'c will get something before the end of S10. What warmed my heart was seeing the three oldies blocked together in scenes and riding to rescue their newer team mates.

I'm personally with you on Landry being an incompetent SGC leader; I'm not a fan.

So having said all that, I actually thought it was OK, amusing enough and funny in places. I probably enjoyed it say as much as Urgo comedy wise. Possibly out of the S10 episodes since The Quest this would be the one I would most likely not to choose to watch again but I'm still giving the prize for the worst ep overall to Insiders.

Dutch_Razor
February 8th, 2007, 08:42 AM
The Daniel hunter scene owned, that bus was really unexpected :D

Tukka
February 8th, 2007, 08:43 AM
That reminded me of the first Final Destination movie :cool:

Hey I got the same feeling!
I liked this ep, it was differend, and nice to watch.
Hard to express my self now, but anyway. Just cool!

Pitry
February 8th, 2007, 09:33 AM
I personally no longer worry about the believability of the existence of the programme remaining secret to the general public since they beamed a whole building away in EDM but accept this story added to that whole debate.


I kind of hope that by the end of movie 2 they will reveal the existance of the Stargat eprogramme to the general public, TBH. They wanted to do so in Lost City and changed it when they realised SG1 would continue with SGA. Now that this isn't the case, I hop they'll finally solve all those annoying little nitpicks and just show the SGC revealed...

golfbooy
February 8th, 2007, 10:20 AM
Question. Is their a single episode you do like? You pretty much say thatSG-1 has had 200 crap episodes, so why the hell do you even watch? landry is far from a incompetant comander he is in fact a great comander and Landry is not the only one who has a problem sayin goa'uld corectly. TPTB have done a great job in coming up with 20 solid eps a year.
Ha, ha. Nope, I don't like a single episode of the show; they're all trash. And I believe it's 214 crap episodes, now that I think about it. And I watch so that I can write posts like that one about Bounty, all in the hope of truly ruining your day. I'm so delighted that it's finally worked after ten years that I can hardly contain my joy. Thank'ee, for validating a decade of effort.


Orignally Posted by spaceangel
Anyway, I can't feel sorry for finding this a delightful episode.
Crap, foiled again! At least I got Mitchell82. I'm sure he feels bad enough for both of you.

In all seriousness, this post isn't about you. It's not designed to make anyone feel badly about themselves or their convictions (which could apparently be a little stronger). It's all about me. Stargate is all about me. These posts I write on this board, they're all about me, too. They say a whole lot about me, Golfbooy, and not much about anyone else who posts here. Think me an ass, think me grossly arrogant, think me unjust, think me a fool (one of Shakespeare's, preferably). But please, think only of me.

SG-1 has always been pretty self-referential...
I agree. But I didn't get a feeling of self-reference here. Here, I feel like the writers wrote a terrible script, knew it was terrible, and threw it at the audience anyway. In fact, when spoilers for this episode first came out, there was a large enough outcry that they released spoilers for The Shroud in an attempt to divert attention and quell the discontent. There would have been NO indication at all of Daniel's turn as a prior if Bounty hadn't created such an immediate firestorm of criticism. The self-referencing charm of past comedic episodes, of Urgo, Window of Opportunity, The Other Guys, or especially 200, isn't to be found in Bounty. It's humor as a cover for poor quality, not as an accoutrement.


Originally Posted by suse
While I agree with much of golfbooy's assessment I'm a bit more mellow about it.
:P



I'm mellow. But I was also once such a fan of the show to really care about it. I cared (and still do) enough to fritter away my time at an online forum about it. I can't think of a stronger recommendation of my appreciation for, if not the present, at least the past of yesteryear. Much to the dismay of some, I believe you'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger fan of Stargate SG-1 than me, and I could tell you all the reasons why I've been so, too. But I won't. You'll just have to take my word for it.

spaceangel
February 8th, 2007, 11:15 AM
Looks at golfbooy's post
Looks at this one



Golfbooy wasn't being hard on fans, he didn't mention them at all in that context. I get the feeling that you are taking Golfbooy's comments about the episode personally. If you want to take offence at golfbooy's not liking the episode and wanting SG-1 to live up to it's previous standards as he sees it, then go right ahead but don't bring it onto the forum. It's not about you, it's about the episode.

Golfbooy mentions RDA in context of him not allowing juvenile junk like this get on the screen (my abbreviated interpretation). He also mentions he doesn't like how Beau can't seem to pronounce Goa'uld properly after 2 years and he doesn't like it. To me it seems a fair enough expectation for a professional actor to be able to pronounce a simple word like Goa'uld; three syllables "goo a uld", it isn't that difficult. I don't see that as being too hard on the actors, is that what you are referring to?

You also might try to get your quotes correct, you substituted actor in an instance where golfbooy used character.

Nobody asked you to feel sorry for liking this episode, how did someone expressing their opinion of an episode become about you??? As for your meal choices, well one would hope that you are adult enough to realise that everyone will not make the same choices as you and respect that.

Well thanks for setting me straight on that one. I don't see how any of my comments merit such a snippy retort but maybe I'd feel more chastised if it was golfbooy doing the response. How come you can make such a personal attack on me but I can't mention my own preferences in what I considered to be a pretty mild way.
On second thoughts, there's no need to answer that. I don't really care. I will not enter into any further discussion on this matter.

spaceangel
February 8th, 2007, 11:32 AM
When I said 'self-referential' I meant that there are many instances when SG-1 makes knowing references to it's own fallabilities or to its nature as TV rather that RL. I was thinking about Carter humming the theme tune in the lift, or Jack saying that Teal'c was not a Jaffa he just played one on TV. There are many others. This is the opposite of self=reverence.
I just thought I'd clear that up.
As for the idea of 'getting' another poster, I thought this was the place to express opinions and have semi-mature debate. If I'd realised there was another game being played I would have written a different post.

Oh well.

meredithchandler73
February 8th, 2007, 01:01 PM
I'm slightly afraid to post here! Let me just say that everyone has their own opinions and I don't *think* that someone who thoroughly dislikes this episode - finds it stupid, illogical, whatever - is attacking the people that do like this episode.

Can't we all just get along? :S

That being said, I really enjoyed this episode. And these are my thoughts - in no particular order:
--I liked that most of the team were off doing their own thing. (As someone else mentioned - sorta reminded me of Sunday on SGA.)
--I loved all of Vala's different looks and outfits in this ep. It would be just like her to go away for a weekend and pack 20 outfits, don't you think? Someone mentioned Vala's black dress being similar to Sam's in TRNT. Why can't we find an excuse to have both of these women looking beautiful in the same scene? Not that they aren't always beautiful. You know what I mean.
--Liked seeing Cam get flustered around Amy. The falling out of the chair was just perfect.
--More Vala appreciation. I just loved her interaction with everyone - from begging Cam to bring her to the reunion, to talking to Cam's parents and then his friend Daryl. And I loved that she brought up her husband Tomin. She definitely had real feelings for him and still thinks about him. Awwwww.
--Sam's look after Dr. Lee starts talking to the girls eyeing him was priceless.
--I liked seeing so many different races represented in the bounty hunt.
--Daniel's Scooby-Doo reference ROCKED.

One thing that got me scratching my head - how much of what Vala has said about her past is the truth? If we believe everything she says about her past (except where she tells Cam's folks that they've been having lots of sex), then she was sold into slavery when she was still in school and she has been married a few times. When does this fit in with her having a fiancé and becoming host to a Gou'ald? I am also remembering Vala's first appearance - Prometheus Unbound. She told Daniel that she was stealing the ship because she needed it to relocate her people to save them from Ba'al - who has been going back to worlds that used to belong to Camulus. That wasn't true. She was supposed to trade the Al'kesh for naquida.

Anyway, lots of really fun moments.

ixoy
February 8th, 2007, 01:24 PM
Actually agree with goofboy's comments - thought this was a very poor episode with the humour off the mark generally. There seemed a fair few scenes (and shots) that had poor pacing, with the characters seeming to stand there pointlessly as if waiting for the director to yell "Cut".

Oh well - did anyone else catch the name on the board beside Mitchell when he was on the payphone? It was Damian Kindler (well clearly meant to be - some of the letters were cut off). Mildly amusing!

spaceangel
February 8th, 2007, 02:03 PM
[QUOTE=meredithchandler73;6301104]I'm slightly afraid to post here! Let me just say that everyone has their own opinions and I don't *think* that someone who thoroughly dislikes this episode - finds it stupid, illogical, whatever - is attacking the people that do like this episode.

Can't we all just get along? :S

I apologise if I made you feel uncomfortable. Post away!

the dancer of spaz
February 8th, 2007, 02:39 PM
While I agree with much of golfbooy's assessment I'm a bit more mellow about it. I've lowered my expectations to expect something just above drivel (storywise). So I'm not usually disappointed much. And can even find amusement where I'd have ... not ... before. I do still have a bit of melancoly for the "good ol' days" when I could expect more though. Ity's been a tough adjustment

suse

I'm in the same category. My expectations have lowered since Avalon Part 2 (and certainly after The Ties That Bind), which is why I found myself re-reading my review of Bounty in shock. When I first read the sides and spoilers last summer, I thought that there was no way I'd even remotely find this episode entertaining.

Sadly, since then, after the announcement that this is the last season, I've kinda found myself taking what we get and finding the good in it - whatever little that may be.

I rarely watch original episodes anymore (though that'll probably change), and it might just be because TPTB effectively closed a door on that chapter of Stargate a looooong time ago. If I don't actively look for what was, and I focus on what is, I won't have these inflated expectations of what could be.

the fifth man
February 8th, 2007, 02:42 PM
oh yes!!! i loved that scene... i laughed my head off *still chuckles

That was pretty funny. Daniel seemed pretty shocked too. Imagine seeing that happen to someone trying to kill you.;)

RealmOfX
February 8th, 2007, 04:59 PM
Well thanks for setting me straight on that one. I don't see how any of my comments merit such a snippy retort but maybe I'd feel more chastised if it was golfbooy doing the response. How come you can make such a personal attack on me but I can't mention my own preferences in what I considered to be a pretty mild way.
On second thoughts, there's no need to answer that. I don't really care. I will not enter into any further discussion on this matter.

See once again - it's all about you :rolleyes:

There is a growing culture here on GW where people make comments about the poster, particularly when someone says they don't like something. Someone doesn't like something so obviously they are making a comment about you (general you). It's time to grow up people.

You weren't supposed to feel chastised nor did I say you couldn't mention your own preferences, if I thought so then I'd say so and probably get modded. I wasn't making an attack on you, I was pointing out that yet again someone takes offence at a poster who didn't like an episode. I was pointing out that Golfbooy comments were about the episode and not about the fans or the actors. I was also pointing out a couple of things I disagreed with and I also pointed out something that you got wrong.

But of course everything is about you and not the episode

Atlantean Engineer
February 8th, 2007, 11:05 PM
Like alot of people, I think this was a very solid episode. The Final Destination spoof was great, but they should've skipped the head spinning part and killed the guy with something like a poisoned pin-prick. The episode didn't do too much to move the plot, but that's good after the Shroud felt so rushed. They probably closed the Lucian Alliance storyline with this. I mean, they have to expect TPTB to close some things since the series is going to end.

Overall I liked it alot more than I would've expected if you told me it was just going to be about Cam and Vala at Cam's reunion, and the other three escaping bounty hunters. I'd give it 8/10 for being surprisingly good for a filler episode.

P.S. What was the Scooby Doo reference? I didn't watch Scooby Doo much when I was little.

Mitchell82
February 8th, 2007, 11:28 PM
Question. Why do you always take issue with the people who express an opinion that differs to yours??

Apart from being against forum rules, it is really tiresome. Especially when someone goes to the trouble of saying why they don't like something or how it could be better. You see, some people do actually have standards and don't like everything that is shoved under their noses, unlike some.

You disagree with an opinion then fine, put forward a countering opinion about the episode NOT the person.

I thought it was a pretty lousy ep full of juvenile humour that wandered all over the place haphazardy and had some good visual effects. Others don't agree which is fair enough, at least someone enjoyed it. I happen to agree that Landry is a bad commander though not the most incompetant as I've seen worse but then I don't expect everyone to agree with that, not even 24 year olds in Retail masquerading as majors. Opinions vary, get used to it.

Read my post. I did present countering opinions I just misread his opening statement. I didnt take iswsue i just simply thought he meant something that I mis took, however I presented oposing views, so don't assume I didnt.

Mitchell82
February 8th, 2007, 11:30 PM
Ha, ha. Nope, I don't like a single episode of the show; they're all trash. And I believe it's 214 crap episodes, now that I think about it. And I watch so that I can write posts like that one about Bounty, all in the hope of truly ruining your day. I'm so delighted that it's finally worked after ten years that I can hardly contain my joy. Thank'ee, for validating a decade of effort.


Crap, foiled again! At least I got Mitchell82. I'm sure he feels bad enough for both of you.

In all seriousness, this post isn't about you. It's not designed to make anyone feel badly about themselves or their convictions (which could apparently be a little stronger). It's all about me. Stargate is all about me. These posts I write on this board, they're all about me, too. They say a whole lot about me, Golfbooy, and not much about anyone else who posts here. Think me an ass, think me grossly arrogant, think me unjust, think me a fool (one of Shakespeare's, preferably). But please, think only of me.

I agree. But I didn't get a feeling of self-reference here. Here, I feel like the writers wrote a terrible script, knew it was terrible, and threw it at the audience anyway. In fact, when spoilers for this episode first came out, there was a large enough outcry that they released spoilers for The Shroud in an attempt to divert attention and quell the discontent. There would have been NO indication at all of Daniel's turn as a prior if Bounty hadn't created such an immediate firestorm of criticism. The self-referencing charm of past comedic episodes, of Urgo, Window of Opportunity, The Other Guys, or especially 200, isn't to be found in Bounty. It's humor as a cover for poor quality, not as an accoutrement.


:P



I'm mellow. But I was also once such a fan of the show to really care about it. I cared (and still do) enough to fritter away my time at an online forum about it. I can't think of a stronger recommendation of my appreciation for, if not the present, at least the past of yesteryear. Much to the dismay of some, I believe you'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger fan of Stargate SG-1 than me, and I could tell you all the reasons why I've been so, too. But I won't. You'll just have to take my word for it.

Sorry that I misread your post I meant no offense. You and I just disagree on this ep.

BewareofthePhil
February 9th, 2007, 12:55 AM
- The science convention audience member with the red hair afro - what was he thinking with that style

I was sure that it was Nabeshin from Excel Saga :-p

FallenAngelII
February 9th, 2007, 02:30 AM
What, was Daniel blind? That assassin was obviously holding a hand-weapon!

Beckmen
February 9th, 2007, 03:34 AM
OK, is it Vandenberg, or Vanderberg? The Season 9 DVDs subtitle it as Vanderberg, as does the Omnipedia. But it sounds like Vandenberg to me, even slowed down. Google gets more hits for Vandenberg (Specifically, 'amy vandenberg stargate'), and Firefox's spellcheck is flagging Vanderberg, but not Vandenberg.

meredithchandler73
February 9th, 2007, 10:28 AM
P.S. What was the Scooby Doo reference? I didn't watch Scooby Doo much when I was little.

Near the end of the episode, Daniel is talking to the bounty hunter and says something about, "those meddling kids" (referring to SG-1). Almost every episode of Scooby Doo ended with the bad guy explaining how he would have gotten away with it if it weren't for "you meddling kids" (those words exactly).

It brought a big smile to my face to see it in the episode.

langdonboom
February 9th, 2007, 10:29 AM
I actually agree with the criticisms of this episode, and if I was still expecting the glory years of Seasons 3-8 of SG-1 (some would even disagree with those numbers!) I might have written a very similar post.

But I personally (since SG-1 is all about ME as well) stopped seenig Stargate-SG-1 as the serious Space-opera that I fell in love with originally after the Goa'uld and Replicator storylines ended, and they discovered Atlantis. When all those gates activated in Reckoning Part 2, that was really the climax for me. Story over, well done.

And now, as many have said, Seasons 9/10 are more like a spin-off and seen in this light, it is a pale imitation of the best stuff (BB is no RDA, I mean, on the charisma scale, but he's serviceable and likeable to me), and now its more an opportunity to PLAY with the concepts of Stargate. Do a lot of WHAT IF'ing with things like The Ancients' enemies, the other baddies in the universe like the LA, and ancillary characters like Dr. Lee, the Landrys, and Vala.

None of this is taking the 'universe' of stargate as seriously as was done in episodes like There But For the Grace of God, or Absolute Power, or any number of other episodes were there was very little winking and nodding. But I don't mind anymore. I felt satisfied with 8 seasons and the rest now seems like gravy.

And I do mourn for the loss of this 'seriousness', but I can't be too unhappy because I still enjoy sitting infront of the screen and watching most of the same people run around. It does take a bit more of 'suspension of disbelief' on my part (as in Bounty here) but I am up to the task and don't need to bother cursing the fact that they couldn't keep up this genius for all of 10 years.

Stargate is still pretty cool.

techjunkie
February 9th, 2007, 04:13 PM
There were moments in Bounty, where I thought to myself "Geez, that was lame". Ironically it had more to do with the settings, and one costume comment. The in-jokes were multiple. But they were more overcome by what I saw was a wickedly funny episode. The entire rescue was telegraphed when Carter voices ' We'll beam in when you release the hostages ' - for those who have not seen it, I hope you'll understand what I mean.

The cool stuff:

Cam - the Orville Reddenbacker comment. I nearly choked on my drink.
Vala... 'sex, sex, sex in the kitchen, sex in the...' comment to Cam's parents. Amazing how some discussions never fail to be awkward.
the SGC has working energy weapon technology. Yup, Dr. Lee has a concept that does work... but he makes it fail on purpose LOL.
Geek-fever. Yes, it does happen. Grrroooowwwwlll!
Daniel + hot chick = she must be an assassin. LOL
ZTarg hand weapons? Common kit for bounty hunters?
Cimmeria (http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/planets/c/cimmeria.shtml) Hologram Technology, aka a gift from the Asguard we just made better.
"Its Flammable!" pick up line. Laughed so damned hard. I used to date a girl like that.
Vala's "I'm married.... something I don't like to talk about much ...he's a religious zealot bent on dominating and subjugating every human being in the galaxy".
Darren's response "... so you're separated?"The hidden in jokes - too many to list, but:

DAMIAN KINDLER FOR CLASS PRESIDENT (supervising producer) - poster on the pay telephone.
a pay telephone. They still exist?Borderline crappy stuff:

Vala, dressed as Lil'Abner's girlfriend. Comm'on!
The 'scanning beam' as a plot device. Why the hell wasn't it a death ray? SG-1 would no longer be a problem.Okay - overall - I think this episode is one of the better 'make us laugh - fish out of water - okay I can't tell you what I do for a living' episodes. Not as great an episode as Atlantis's First Strike this week, but one I have rewatched 3 times, which is a first for a regular Stargate episode (ok.. I watched 200 more, but that deserved multiple viewings)

Just my nickels worth..

Tech Junkie

techjunkie
February 9th, 2007, 04:17 PM
I was sure that it was Nabeshin from Excel Saga :-p

not a scifi convention, a Science Symposium (aka science geek convention), and yes they are real. As for the afro, I'm not so sure that was real.

techjunkie
February 9th, 2007, 04:18 PM
I actually agree with the criticisms of this episode, and if I was still expecting the glory years of Seasons 3-8 of SG-1 (some would even disagree with those numbers!) I might have written a very similar post.....

Stargate is still pretty cool.

I whole-heartedly agree. Well said.

jenks
February 9th, 2007, 04:26 PM
I think people are going tobe dissapointed if they think we've got a fully functioning energy weapon, Dr. Lee didn't make it fail on purpose, it just didn't work. Carter only managed to get one shot off because she disabled a power coupling or something...

esoap524
February 9th, 2007, 04:29 PM
Is it just me, or was Vala's dress suspiciously similar to Sam's one in The Road Not Taken?

yeah, except I think Sam was wearing a long dress/formal...wasn't she? Now I'll have to check!

I really enjoyed this episode much more than I thought it would. It was laugh out loud funny and very tongue in cheek but Cameron Mitchell? I can believe evil Orville Redenbacher, and scanners, and convenient demises, and cool photon whatever guns, and alien bounty hunters but...you'd rather dance with Amy than Vala?!?

That, I cannot believe. ;)

Cam, Cam, Cam (shakes head in wonder).

kes
February 9th, 2007, 04:31 PM
I am watching it again, and there is this scene when Mitchell and Amy Vandenberg first meet, and when Mitchell has this cute chair accident.

But now I'm starting to think it was completely coincidental, or at least the other actors didn't know Ben Browder was playing for that. The scene is IMO almost falling apart when Anna Marie DeLuise seems so surprised that she can't get her introduction line across.

What do you think?

24 seconds of that on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhDBx_yU_w

It does look like an accident lol Even more if you look at CBs leg, it looks like BB hits her with the chair.

esoap524
February 9th, 2007, 04:36 PM
I am watching it again, and there is this scene when Mitchell and Amy Vandenberg first meet, and when Mitchell has this cute chair accident.

But now I'm starting to think it was completely coincidental, or at least the other actors didn't know Ben Browder was playing for that. The scene is IMO almost falling apart when Anna Marie DeLuise seems so surprised that she can't get her introduction line across.

What do you think?

24 seconds of that on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhDBx_yU_w

I don't think so...it seems like that'd be the exact reaction of someone in that situation. Otherwise, it'd be too smooth and rehearsed if it hadn't interrupted her in some fashion.

I really like where Vala walks behind Cam after that and smacks him on the back of the head.

suse
February 9th, 2007, 06:13 PM
I think people are going tobe dissapointed if they think we've got a fully functioning energy weapon, Dr. Lee didn't make it fail on purpose, it just didn't work. Carter only managed to get one shot off because she disabled a power coupling or something...

No. He constructed it to fail. It's too soon for the public to have a perfect working model. It's in "beta" stage testing. They hotwired it to get off one shot before it fried.

Before he went over to te gals ogling him he and Sam were talking about it.

suse

Starxgate
February 9th, 2007, 06:32 PM
I think people are going tobe dissapointed if they think we've got a fully functioning energy weapon, Dr. Lee didn't make it fail on purpose, it just didn't work. Carter only managed to get one shot off because she disabled a power coupling or something...

It does 100 % work. He even said to Sam before the presentation that he found it weird to make it look like that those things do not 100 % work right. They work 100 %

jenks
February 9th, 2007, 06:50 PM
No. He constructed it to fail. It's too soon for the public to have a perfect working model. It's in "beta" stage testing. They hotwired it to get off one shot before it fried.

Before he went over to te gals ogling him he and Sam were talking about it.

suse


It does 100 % work. He even said to Sam before the presentation that he found it weird to make it look like that those things do not 100 % work right. They work 100 %

No, he never once says that it actually works but they've rigged it to fail, it just doesn't work properly.

Mitchell82
February 9th, 2007, 07:02 PM
No, he never once says that it actually works but they've rigged it to fail, it just doesn't work properly.

I'm sorry but you are wrong. Dr. Lee talks to Carter saying " Doesnt it bother you that we come to these conferences and actually adding flaws?" Carter responds saying that we have to act like there is a process of development. Then Lee says "Oh thats easy for you to say, you hav Chimera, basically a fully fuctional Asgard hologram technology, and I get stuck with the Plasma Cannon, that "supposedly" short circuts from time to time. In other words they make it fail in order to look like a true prototype.

jenks
February 9th, 2007, 07:08 PM
Bugger... Well I still aren't convinced we've got a fully working 'plasma cannon' though, looks a bit pish anyway... would be crap on a ship...

I'm sure I've seen a blast nearly exactly the same on Stargate in another ep but I can't think which...

PG15
February 9th, 2007, 08:04 PM
It looks similar to a Wraith stunner.

Mitchell82
February 9th, 2007, 08:05 PM
Bugger... Well I still aren't convinced we've got a fully working 'plasma cannon' though, looks a bit pish anyway... would be crap on a ship...

I'm sure I've seen a blast nearly exactly the same on Stargate in another ep but I can't think which...

Are you refering to the attempted weapon in Avenger? If so it didnt work.

GATEGOD
February 9th, 2007, 09:48 PM
G r e a t ~ e p i s o d e

the fifth man
February 9th, 2007, 09:53 PM
I don't think so...it seems like that'd be the exact reaction of someone in that situation. Otherwise, it'd be too smooth and rehearsed if it hadn't interrupted her in some fashion.

I really like where Vala walks behind Cam after that and smacks him on the back of the head.

I agree with you about the chair incident.

As for the smack Vala gave Mitchell, that was awesome.:D

section33
February 10th, 2007, 09:01 AM
did anyone else notice that Odi's weapon was actually Hannibal kings gun from blade trinity repainted...

ebay.co.uk (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Blade-Trinity-Camera-Gun-Replica-Prop-Kit-Hannibal-King_W0QQitemZ280063908118QQihZ018QQcategoryZ60361QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZV iewItem)

Beckmen
February 10th, 2007, 09:20 AM
Maybe they bought some props from Trinity as well as that set...

keshou
February 10th, 2007, 11:37 AM
Ever since the spoilers surfaced I wasn't expecting much from Bounty. But sometimes these type of episodes excel in story and character development and really surprise you.

And on the surface it doesn't sound much different from say "The Curse", a reasonably good S4 episode. Mitchell goes to a high school reunion; Daniel went to his mentor's funeral. Mitchell runs into an old flame; Daniel ran into an old flame. Mitchell runs into trouble; Daniel ran into trouble. Mitchell is accompanied by new sexy team member who packed her Daisy Duke outfits; Daniel was...not. :cool:

Bounty was not as bad as I feared but it also won't make my top 10 list. BB and Claudia are attractive actors with great chemistry and they seemed to be having fun with this one. Mitchell continues to be likeable in S10 and I thought his moments with Amy were kind of sweet. Vala was mostly along for comic relief and sex appeal this week and I admit that's not my favorite side of Vala. But Claudia sells it with everything she's got. She is indeed "outrageously talented".

But whereas an episode like "The Curse" relied on gentle humor, mystery, and the introduction of a powerful new villain to produce a good episode, "Bounty" bounces along with little consequence by the end - either in character development or story arcs. Will we ever see the Lucian Alliance again? Will the bounty hunter be the leader they've been looking for? Will SG-1 continue to try to stop the drug traffic for crazy corn? Will Mitchell invite Amy to the SGC annual picnic? Will one of Cam's high school buddies sell his story to the National Enquirer? Sadly, I don't care that much. I realize "Bounty" was mostly played for laughs, whereas "The Curse" wasn't; I guess it just didn't provide enough laughs for me. :(

There *were* some clever touches in the episode - the in-jokes, the ScoobyDoo reference, the use of the holograms at the end (although that one was pretty-well telegraphed). Oddly this was the second time this week I saw a TV show where someone was mowed down by a bus.

Um....all the actors were lighted very attractively. They've rarely looked better. Claudia has hair and legs to die for - I hate her. :P Dr. Lee was fun - although seeing him giddy at the idea of meeting singles at the conference was a little unnerving.

I didn't cringe thru this one - and I thought I might. They should have thrown in a cat fight between Vala and Amy. That would have done it. ;)

:) :)

Mitchell82
February 10th, 2007, 05:10 PM
I agree with you about the chair incident.

As for the smack Vala gave Mitchell, that was awesome.:D

LOL yeah I agree i loved that too.

madaboutdanny
February 10th, 2007, 06:18 PM
Near the end of the episode, Daniel is talking to the bounty hunter and says something about, "those meddling kids" (referring to SG-1). Almost every episode of Scooby Doo ended with the bad guy explaining how he would have gotten away with it if it weren't for "you meddling kids" (those words exactly).

It brought a big smile to my face to see it in the episode.

Thanks for the explanation!

Useless!!! I found this ep. really annoying, not for the story itself, there are some nice scenes and amusing too, but for the totally useless of it! We have only 5 ep. before the end and the TPTB reduces "The Shroud" from 3 ep to 1 only to shot ep. like this? Who cares about Mitchell (I like him) past when we know very well that there will not be a sequel to his family background, knowning yet the synopsis of the last 5 ep.! "The Shroud" deserved a better story development, although I found "The Shroud" really amazing! No one of them seem worry about the 6 Ori ships now wandering in our galaxy, and why Daniel and Jack are not charged by IOA? Do you remember what appened in Heroes p.2? Now is really worst! Nice scenes: Vala in hot pants, so cute (although she seems too, very too childish). Cam and the chair, funny! Vala tells Cam's parents that in the beginning the story with their son was only about sex sex sex! The absolute astonished and incredulous Daniel facial expression when the girl say that she found him very actrattive and Daniel, really embarassed, looks around and then said "OK, what's goin'on?" and when the girl said "...go somewhere, together...alone.." he looks more embarassed and answer "Wow...you know, I am not really the most impulsive person....flattering his your offers is... I am...(?)... to say no..." He is so cute!!!! Oh, and he looks amazing in jeans and black t-shirt, he is so fit!
I hope that the last 5 ep. will be better...much more better!!!
It is the first time that I write a post so long....so, I am sorry if my english is not so well...be patient!

Brendan
February 10th, 2007, 09:45 PM
**POTENTIAL SPOILER!**






Oh well - did anyone else catch the name on the board beside Mitchell when he was on the payphone? It was Damian Kindler (well clearly meant to be - some of the letters were cut off). Mildly amusing!



DAMIAN KINDLER FOR CLASS PRESIDENT (supervising producer) - poster on the pay telephone.


Looks like it says, "Damian Kindler for Class Treasurer" but Treasurer is crossed out at the end at it appears to read "treason".

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1005/pdvd015og5.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/859/kindlercc5.jpg

This one I brightened a little bit:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3672/kindler02vj3.jpg

Beckmen
February 11th, 2007, 04:32 AM
Nobody has any thoughts on Amy's name?

esoap524
February 11th, 2007, 02:38 PM
Never said there was. T'was the gratuitous flashing of the gams nearly up to her bum in the auditorium scene that I consider excessive. ::cue CB's legs! Front and center!:: The Daisy Duke outfit was overkill also. :rolleyes: I'm not interested and it was *still* distracting ---> from the story.

suse

I think "distracting" was the point.

Hey, we got shirtless Chris Judge...why not some Claudia gams? (I know, I'm evil).

This definitely was a played for laughs episode and Vala goes to extremes all the time, just for effect--thus the "Daisy Duke" get up.

I agree with the reviewer who said there was more chemistry between Vala and Darrell, than there was between Amy and Cam, but Amy was a very likeable sort. Just a cure for insomnia ;)

esoap524
February 11th, 2007, 02:50 PM
the in-jokes, the ScoobyDoo reference, the use of the holograms at the end

You mention the "in-jokes". As a die- hard Farscape fan, I realized the ending of this episode reminded me a LOT of Farscape's "PK Tech Girl", except, of course, PKTG ends up having ramifications and a rather sad denoument for Claudia's character.

In PKTG, Crichton meets a cute, rather bland, blonde woman with whom he strikes up a nice little working/romantic relationship in a matter of hours while Aeryn (CB) literally does the heavy lifting and saves their lives, much the way Vala steps between Cam and Amy when the bounty hunter has a gun pointed their way.

Anyway, he bids bland blond good-bye with a kiss and wish that maybe they'll meet again. Meanwhile, Aeryn's sort of/kind of waiting for him, and the final scene involves the two of them coming to a sort of understanding.

FS fans, I think you might know what I mean. I doubt that it was intentional, but I wonder if Browder and Black had a slight sense of de ja vu.

Mitchell82
February 11th, 2007, 03:55 PM
You mention the "in-jokes". As a die- hard Farscape fan, I realized the ending of this episode reminded me a LOT of Farscape's "PK Tech Girl", except, of course, PKTG ends up having ramifications and a rather sad denoument for Claudia's character.

In PKTG, Crichton meets a cute, rather bland, blonde woman with whom he strikes up a nice little working/romantic relationship in a matter of hours while Aeryn (CB) literally does the heavy lifting and saves their lives, much the way Vala steps between Cam and Amy when the bounty hunter has a gun pointed their way.

Anyway, he bids bland blond good-bye with a kiss and wish that maybe they'll meet again. Meanwhile, Aeryn's sort of/kind of waiting for him, and the final scene involves the two of them coming to a sort of understanding.

FS fans, I think you might know what I mean. I doubt that it was intentional, but I wonder if Browder and Black had a slight sense of de ja vu.

LOL I forgot about that ep. Now that you mention it, it is similar though this was a better ep.

Mitchell82
February 11th, 2007, 03:58 PM
I think "distracting" was the point.

Hey, we got shirtless Chris Judge...why not some Claudia gams? (I know, I'm evil).

This definitely was a played for laughs episode and Vala goes to extremes all the time, just for effect--thus the "Daisy Duke" get up.

I agree with the reviewer who said there was more chemistry between Vala and Darrell, than there was between Amy and Cam, but Amy was a very likeable sort. Just a cure for insomnia ;)

Agree this was suposed to be a comedic ep and if you didnt find it amusing, well to each's own. Not refuring to you just a general statement. This was a cute ep, light hearted after a few very heavy episodes. Quite enjoyed it, and I do agree on the chemistry thing though it slowly developed with Cam and Amy and by the end they looked meant for each other iMO.

ShardsofGlass
February 11th, 2007, 03:59 PM
I highly doubt there was any intended FS reference in this ep. The similarities are very superficial, and there aren't very many of them.

Personally, I was pretty annoyed with the way Vala was dressed in thos shorts. I didn't understand why she would be going around dressed like that. I suppose there are some men who find that appealing, but I was just wanted to push her out of the way so I could see Mitchell better.

In fact, I wish she hadn't even been there in the gym. I was really enjoying Mitchell with his friend, and I loved how flustered Michell got when he saw his old high school crush. Vala's presence just detracted from the scene, imo. But I'm not a Vala fan.

I thought Mitchell and Amy had some sweet chemistry together. But I think an opportunity was lost because we never had any scenes between Mitchell and his father. Once again, because Vala was there, all the family scenes were played for broad comedy. I would've really liked to see Mitchell and his dad have a little conversation about things. We haven't seen them talk since the flashback scene from last season.

keshou
February 11th, 2007, 04:34 PM
You mention the "in-jokes". As a die- hard Farscape fan, I realized the ending of this episode reminded me a LOT of Farscape's "PK Tech Girl", except, of course, PKTG ends up having ramifications and a rather sad denoument for Claudia's character.
Didn't think of good old "PK Tech Girl" until you mentioned it. *sigh* I miss Farscape. But I doubt the writers were trying to give a nod to that episode, although it might have crossed CB and BB's minds.

I thought CB and BB were having a good old time playing up Mitchell's annoyance with Vala, etc. They have always had great comedic chemistry together.

I just think this episode was an attempt give Mitchell a little more backstory and provide some nice moments for his character in between the (mostly) comic relief of all the bounty hunters being foiled.

I liked Amy and Mitchell as well Shards- thought they were kind of cute. At least until Amy jumped behind Mitchell at the end in "oh Cameron, protect me" mode. That kind of annoyed me. :rollseyes:

The comedy just didn't work as well for as it did for others - mainly because it relied on Vala's antics and short shorts too much. (and I actually like Vala)

:)

esoap524
February 11th, 2007, 04:44 PM
LOL I forgot about that ep. Now that you mention it, it is similar though this was a better ep.

I have to respectfully disagree --PKTG sets up future storylines and is a big part of the Aeryn character arc. Bounty, while thoroughly enjoyable and quite funny, is fluff.

Mitchell82
February 11th, 2007, 05:08 PM
I have to respectfully disagree --PKTG sets up future storylines and is a big part of the Aeryn character arc. Bounty, while thoroughly enjoyable and quite funny, is fluff.

Oh well. Different people different views. That's what makes theese threads so interesting.

suse
February 11th, 2007, 07:37 PM
As much as I found Vala's clothing (or lack thereof) annoyingly OTT she did have the saving grace of adding some spunk to the high school reunion. <YAWN> Vala was right. Amy was a cure for insomnia. But then imo so is Mitchell - so I suppose it's a match made in heaven. ;) And I rather liked her 'same wavelength' relationship with Cam's buddy. Oddly enough I liked the parents/Vala interaction also.

suse

Hubble
February 11th, 2007, 10:44 PM
Personally, I was pretty annoyed with the way Vala was dressed in thos shorts. I didn't understand why she would be going around dressed like that. I suppose there are some men who find that appealing, but I was just wanted to push her out of the way so I could see Mitchell better.

Because it defies understanding – there's absolutely no reason why she would be dressed like that other than to get herself noticed or to embarrass Mitchell. I would assume that as soon as Mitchell saw her dressed like that before they left his parent's house, he would have set her straight and told her that it was not appropriate. Or maybe Mitchell told her it was a costume party and *wanted* her to dress like that.

Either way, it made absolutely no sense to me other than to provide eye candy and show off CB's nice body. Beats actually having to write something that makes sense, I suppose.

PG15
February 12th, 2007, 12:23 AM
Wait...how is Vala trying to embrass Mitch and/or show off not a valid reason? It fits Vala's character perfectly IMHO.

Pitry
February 12th, 2007, 12:45 AM
I liked Amy and Mitchell as well Shards- thought they were kind of cute. At least until Amy jumped behind Mitchell at the end in "oh Cameron, protect me" mode. That kind of annoyed me. :rollseyes:



...Kind of? T'was one of the more annoying things in the episode... well, sans the bus scene.
Y;know, I thought Cameron was the kind of guy who'd like a girl that can take care of herself, not need him to save her against alien monsters and open the jam jar...

Clark'sGirl
February 12th, 2007, 06:00 AM
The shorts were an in-joke, reference to the ones worn by Daisy Duke in 'The Dukes of Hazard' as was the reference to 'moonshine'.

The old non-girlfriend stuff was funny, mostly Mitchell's reactions to her, but she was what was expected from the hometown girl who would expect to be protected by Mitchell. Although it did p*ss me off as well, it's 2007 FCOL.

Liked the bus thing, although Lost used the same plot device last night :( so at least it was used here first.

Liked the rest of the ep very much, ending was so obvious but maybe that's just me, but I loved it anyway.

Overall, I give it a ^^^^^ (five) out of ^^^^^^^ (seven Chevron's).

ShardsofGlass
February 12th, 2007, 07:17 AM
...Kind of? T'was one of the more annoying things in the episode... well, sans the bus scene.
Y;know, I thought Cameron was the kind of guy who'd like a girl that can take care of herself, not need him to save her against alien monsters and open the jam jar...


I think it's very unreasonable to expect Amy to take care of herself against alien monster bounty hunters. I mean, a.) she's not a police officer or in the military herself, and b.) how many people in general would know how to act when an alien has a gun pointed at you?!

I'm sure Amy can take care of herself the way most adults do in America -- hold down a job, hang a picture, mow the lawn, balance her check book, etc. But how many of us would know what to do if an alien crashed their high school reunion? I tell you, if I had a military officer right in front of me that was a friend, I'd run to him for protection to! And if not that, I'd be running for the door or calling 911!

Nightspore
February 12th, 2007, 09:49 AM
Wait...how is Vala trying to embrass Mitch and/or show off not a valid reason? It fits Vala's character perfectly IMHO.

It does fit her character, but IMO, Vala should have undergone some behavior modification training or someone should have sat her down and given her some instructions on what is acceptable behavior. Instead they just seem to let her do whatever she wants and say whatever she wants, occasionally telling her to shut up, occasionally rolling their eyes, or in Daniel's case, arguing with her which makes both of them sound like 10 year olds.

I'm not among those who think her behavior is cute or funny, as a member of SG-1. And of course, the pigtails had to be back when she was doing the Daisy Duke thing.

Mitchell82
February 12th, 2007, 04:14 PM
...Kind of? T'was one of the more annoying things in the episode... well, sans the bus scene.
Y;know, I thought Cameron was the kind of guy who'd like a girl that can take care of herself, not need him to save her against alien monsters and open the jam jar...

well definatly shows different views. I loved the bus scene but as to Amy I didnt find it anoying at all. I could take care of myself A. I'm a military officer and B. I've had combat training. Grant it I've never dealt with an Alien Bounty hunter but I find it very reasonable that a girl from Kansas was afraid and hid behind Cameron. Cameron likes her b/c of who she is not b/c he wants a gung ho military type woman.

Mitchell82
February 12th, 2007, 04:17 PM
It does fit her character, but IMO, Vala should have undergone some behavior modification training or someone should have sat her down and given her some instructions on what is acceptable behavior. Instead they just seem to let her do whatever she wants and say whatever she wants, occasionally telling her to shut up, occasionally rolling their eyes, or in Daniel's case, arguing with her which makes both of them sound like 10 year olds.

I'm not among those who think her behavior is cute or funny, as a member of SG-1. And of course, the pigtails had to be back when she was doing the Daisy Duke thing.

Vala's behavior never botherd me as it made her a unique adition to the team, also b/c of her skills. I thought she was great in this ep and I also love her danny scenes. Oh well guess I'm unique.

PG15
February 12th, 2007, 06:45 PM
I think it's very unreasonable to expect Amy to take care of herself against alien monster bounty hunters. I mean, a.) she's not a police officer or in the military herself, and b.) how many people in general would know how to act when an alien has a gun pointed at you?!


I like how everyone is so focused on alien bounty hunter or alien with a gun.

How about just an alien? We're talking about a civillian here with an alien standing right in front of her. You're telling me you won't be at least a little bit fightened/confused/worried?

Stargate sure has spoiled us...;)

suse
February 12th, 2007, 09:29 PM
I like how everyone is so focused on alien bounty hunter or alien with a gun.

How about just an alien? We're talking about a civillian here with an alien standing right in front of her. You're telling me you won't be at least a little bit fightened/confused/worried?

Stargate sure has spoiled us...;)


DId I miss something? Did he *look* alien?

Actually, while I rolled my eyes at her hiding behind the LMAH, I do think it's in character. How many people get guns pointed at them durng their high school reunion? Who (non-military/non-policetype) wouldn't try to hide?

Though Vala was right. She's an insomnia cure if taken in large doses.

suse

mancslad08
February 13th, 2007, 03:13 AM
Hopefully 'Bad Guys' on tonight will be better than the garbage that is 'Bounty'. Reading the synopsis however I'm not holding my breath.

Gwin
February 13th, 2007, 03:44 AM
A friend of mine just saw "Ripple Effects" and stumbled over something that meant nothing before but much after "Bounty".


CARTER
Not necessarily, sir. It's possible that they did gate in from PX7, just not the PX7 that we know. The multi-verse theory of quantum physics posits the existence of parallel universes, an infinite number of ever growing alternate realities that exist concurrently with our own. The theory holds that anything that can happen, will happen, if not in this reality, then in another.

MITCHELL
So you're saying that somewhere in an alternate universe, I got to second base with Amy Vandenberg.
:D

Pitry
February 13th, 2007, 08:06 AM
I think it's very unreasonable to expect Amy to take care of herself against alien monster bounty hunters. I mean, a.) she's not a police officer or in the military herself, and b.) how many people in general would know how to act when an alien has a gun pointed at you?!

I'm sure Amy can take care of herself the way most adults do in America -- hold down a job, hang a picture, mow the lawn, balance her check book, etc. But how many of us would know what to do if an alien crashed their high school reunion? I tell you, if I had a military officer right in front of me that was a friend, I'd run to him for protection to! And if not that, I'd be running for the door or calling 911!

I'm not saying she shoudln't be scared, or know what to do, or something. But the whole clinging-to-Mitchell bit was too much IMO. Different people react in differnet ways, of course, but I'd have liked it better had she just frozen in terror in place. It's like, okay, Darrell didn;t cling to anyone when the bounty hunter theratened him, why should Amy - and especially that way...


like how everyone is so focused on alien bounty hunter or alien with a gun.

How about just an alien? We're talking about a civillian here with an alien standing right in front of her. You're telling me you won't be at least a little bit fightened/confused/worried?

Stargate sure has spoiled us..
Yeah, I have to agree with suse - he dind't look alien a all.
Again, I'm not saying any sort of reaction would have been out of place - I agree that had she jsut shrugged it off it would have been worse. I just think there was a better way to do it - if she's not frozen with terror and can move, as seen by her moving towards Mitchell, why can't she move away frmo the bounty hunter...

PG15
February 13th, 2007, 02:31 PM
^Away to where? They were locked in, the bounty hunter was getting ready to kill people.

So might as well stand close the one guy who seems to know what he's up against.


A friend of mine just saw "Ripple Effects" and stumbled over something that meant nothing before but much after "Bounty".


:D

Ohhhhh, look at that continuity. :D

Clark'sGirl
February 13th, 2007, 03:21 PM
[quote=Clark'sGirl;6317263]

Liked the bus thing, although Lost used the same plot device last night :(

quote]

And if anyone who watched Nip/Tuck on Monday night (UK), it was also used there to kill someone off, seriously THREE times in one week worth of TV.

I didn't realise American public transport was so deadly!!:)

kes
February 13th, 2007, 03:36 PM
A friend of mine just saw "Ripple Effects" and stumbled over something that meant nothing before but much after "Bounty".


:D

Well by the way he reacts to her he didnt even get to 1st base lol

myutopian
February 14th, 2007, 01:26 AM
A friend of mine just saw "Ripple Effects" and stumbled over something that meant nothing before but much after "Bounty".


:D

now all he has to do is cut a green wire.

Actually, that could have easily worked itself into Bad Guys.

teal'c2006
February 14th, 2007, 07:22 PM
I enjoyed the episode very much, it was good.

Skydiver
February 15th, 2007, 05:32 PM
a mixed bag on this one

the good

they found a flat part of cananda to be Kansas. better than Jerico and the mountains in the back ground

the locals weren't too massively hickified. We may be mostly rural, but we're not backwards

they picked two real towns, even though they did multiply the population of Auburn by a factor of 10 (the real town has all of 2000 people in it, and no high school)

sam and lee were funny

it had some laugh out loud moments
vala and cam's parents was cute, his classmates were 'real', so was the high school gym and hte costumes on the others. they weren't too horribly hickified.

the bad

the daisy dukes....guys, guys, guys, i'm sure that claudia is proud of getting her body back after baby (and good for her) but in a rural community her clothing choice would be dang close to indecent...or something worn by ladies of the world's oldest profession. If the costum folks were so hung up on the blue gingham to make an oz joke, they shoulda let vala wear the whole shirt.

the plot...yep, still making fanfic into episodes. hunted down for attacking the killer corn. what would have made more sense than being tagged - and how did the lucian allience actually accomplish that anyway - they could have had them tap into thosee stupid transponders they all have inplanted and use it against them. woulda made more sense

what the HECK happened to secrecy??? aliens running amuck on earth and no one cares??? No one notices? I'm sorry, i long for the days when teh SGC seemed to care and tried to keep aliens secret. This one pushed that credibility envelope way too far....again.

and sam explaing the how and why to the baddies????? stupid. sure, let's tell the baddies all our secrets. maybe next time we'll invite them over before we trick them and just give them what they want

All in all, it had its moments. I giggled a bit, rolled my eyes a lot and chalk this one down as yet another - of too many - missed opportunities.

Boys, if you're gonna turn fanfic into episodes, how about you find some GOOD and original stuff instead of this marty stu junk that reads like it was written by a 13 year old during study hall.

You're professionals, it'd be cool if the episode looked like it was written by one instead of someone's younger sibling

Skydiver
February 15th, 2007, 05:34 PM
oh, and added to the good, cam/amy....fantastic ship pairing. They were adorable together.

esoap524
February 15th, 2007, 05:39 PM
A friend of mine just saw "Ripple Effects" and stumbled over something that meant nothing before but much after "Bounty".


:D

Whad'ya know...continuity! Hee.

RE: skydiver, your comment about the Daisy Dukes. I wonder if CB balked at that get up. I only say that because I remember some FS commentary from the 5th episode where Aeryn's dressed in black pants and a mid riff top the entire episode. Ben comments about how Claudia wasn't too thrilled with that outfit--at least it was all black and had pants!

I wouldn't be surprised if Peter DeLuise talked her into it-so far the only comments I've really seen him say about her regard how "hot" she is (I'm not saying she's not hot, I'm just saying she also happens to be a very good actress).

As for appropriate behavior, teaching, training...I think you could tell Vala till you're blue in the face, think you've reached an understanding and then, pow, she does what she wants. However, talking about costumes, I really loved the dress she wore to the reunion. A lot like Carter's from the week before and looked good on both women (the shoes were really cute too).

Cam/Amy...yeah, they were cute, but I really liked Darrell and Vala. Now there's a guy with a sense of adventure...And I thought he was cute, too.

"so...you're separated..."

Skydiver
February 15th, 2007, 06:15 PM
her dress was very nice. both of htem were

but my POV, as a person who's grown up in and around small towns...they're rather conservative. Vala's get up would be getting her 'what on EARTH is she wearing' looks from the other people.

DArrell does seem to be the kind of guy that would be able to handle vala. ANd it was cute.

But vala's 'doing what she wants'...it doesn't fit her personality. She's a con-artist. They survive by blending in and fitting in and becoming what people expect them to be. You're not a good con-artist if you stand out and are a 'rebel'.

Her actions are inconsistent with what we've been told her character is. She can't be the super supreme con artist we've been told that she is if she keeps making a spectacle of herself and standing out. The actions contradict the character.

PG15
February 15th, 2007, 06:30 PM
Well, does she have a reason to blend in? IMHO she can do it if the situation calls for it, and she's pretty flashy the rest of the time.

Skydiver
February 15th, 2007, 07:13 PM
you would think if she really wants to get off base more often, she'd be doing all she could to 'fit in' and be allowed out more.

shocking the locals with tales of her past isnt' fitting in. It's played for a laugh and a joke. Which is cool, and funny in a way, but it's not the behavior of someone that's trying to fit in. Along with someone who's trying to prove that she belongs and trying to 'con' - as in convince - them that she's trust worthy.

Con artists, good ones anyway, don't speak out of turn and say off the wall things. Their every word and action is calculated to maintain the con and accomplish their goal.

PG15
February 15th, 2007, 07:20 PM
Vala's not trying to "con" anybody; she has no need to. SG1 has seemingly accepted her shananigans and has made her a member of the team. I don't see why she has to change herself to fit in when she's already doing so pretty well.

esoap524
February 15th, 2007, 08:25 PM
I think it'd be cool to see if Vala could actually blend in or if all her con artist talk is just another con...

I see your point, skydiver; a clever con would want to blend in. But, PG15 also makes a good point in that she's not conning anyone, currently...

...or is she....?

anyway, I was too consumed with how good her hair looked, I kinda forgot the rest ;)

DrScareys event horizon V1.0
February 15th, 2007, 10:49 PM
I liked it. Would have been better (imo) if they had bought back Aris Boch instead of a new group of bounty hunters.

Hell, in a complete twist Aris could have even rescued SG1.

But this is just dreamland.


Overall i've seen worse episodes.

Now, about this 'Green Wire'?

Skydiver
February 16th, 2007, 05:57 AM
i've definitely seen worse. This one jsut really wasn't SG-1. It was that alternative space spoof show that Bridge studios likes to make....that just happened to star the actors that used to be on SG-1.

It was funny in its own rights and kinda cute, but not Stargate.

The Ori
February 16th, 2007, 06:07 AM
I liked it, it was ok but I still don't like Vala or Mitchell!

teal'c2006
February 19th, 2007, 06:09 PM
I liked the episode, it had it's funny moments, but was very well written.

TwiceBorn
March 3rd, 2007, 01:17 AM
This episode had some good things about it like the girl and the bus...lol
Some good things, and some bad. I think SG1 should be delivering a little bit better than this.

Bad points: Mitchels Romance was lame and i like Vala when she has clothes ON and is saying things that are somewhat clean.

This apisode was an average, can't say good or bad.

Quote of the ep: "He's a religious zealot bent on total domination of every human being in this galaxy.":vala:

Hypochondriac
March 7th, 2007, 05:35 AM
Posted this in the episode thread but it might be a good idea to have a separate thread to answer some questions.


1- Doesn't Adria still have super strength? She could have easily kicked ja[ffa butt.


I'm basing this on The Quest. Adria didn't have mind powers but was still able to list the Iron gate with One hand while the all of Sg-1 combined couldn't budge it.

2- I don't buy Ba'al being able to take over Adria, that was to easy she should have been able to fight him off. After isn't there a species in MW that the Goa'uld can't take as hosts? You would think the Ori would do the same for Adria.

3- How did Ba'al know where they were?

4- How did the cloak they ship? Sam couldn't figure it out.

Can anyone answer these questions?

PG15
March 7th, 2007, 07:48 PM
Uh...wrong thread?

angelfire east
April 1st, 2007, 11:08 PM
I really loved this episode! I really enjoyed Cameron's back story. When I first heard high school reuion I was not loooking forward to this episode no matter how much I love Cameron. Ususally these types of storylines come off so corny and lame but not this time.

Cameron was so sweet with her old crush. I loved when he fall out of his chair and then was suttin with his old crush. BB can do 'in love' so well. I also wasn't looking forward to Vala going with Cam to this thing but that also turned out to be a hoot. Vala in this episode, man can you say SEXY!:eek: The Vala/Mitchell family scenes where brilliant! lol Poor Cameron does not want to know what his mother got up to in the 60's :lol: I kno w Vla was trying to help but the look on his parents faces when she said 'sex sex sex; in every room of the house' was just to die for. BB and CB are just a amazing term together and this episode showed it once again (in case you don't watch Farscape). I loved the end when she was in the car and he was saying goodbye, lol they remind me of a old marrige couple:lol: I didn't like Vala saying so many stupid things about her life that she knows she shouldn't be saying. I know it was done for laughs but I think it was done one too many times.

Daniel's bounty hunter was fun, she was fliting with him and then her horrible death (ouch btw). Man Danile looked hot, so did Cameron for that matter.

The Sam/ Dr.Lee scenes where so funny. I thought Dr Lee has kids, guess he's not with his wife for some reason. Anyway I thought it was really funny.

I never saw a shot go near Teal'c for him to be hurt but whatever it worked for the storyline. Was I the only one who thought Daniel looked like a dork waving near the end :lol:

That all I can think of right now. I loved this episode:)

EDIT:

One more thing I remembered, man Cameron's best friend wasn't the greatest friend was he.:mad: Cameron and SG1 gets take before his eyes and the first name to pass his lips is Vala?!?! :rolleyes:. Man the guy was funny with Vala though. I loved when she put her name tag on his mouth lol

Hatusu
May 11th, 2007, 07:21 PM
It was better than I expected. I feared a Vala stupidfest. There was some of that, but the episode was diverting overall. My favorite part was the unplanned technology "demonstration" by Carter and Lee at the conference.

Did anyone else spot the pale green flyer, at the high school and near the phone, that said "Damien Kindler"? :D

Jackie
May 11th, 2007, 07:30 PM
total stupid fest on the writer's behave. nothing of real value to the series--at all. I actually WANTED the bad guy to win--just to put the once great and glorious SG-1 out of its painfully dying misery.

The best part was Sam turning out to be a hologram in the beginning. After that...nothing shocking or new.

however, when the bad bounty hunter (bad rip off of han solo) guy did the dogfight attack on the other bounty hunters and blew up their ship...it did follow dog fight procedure.

the fifth man
May 11th, 2007, 07:34 PM
Seeing this episode again, I enjoyed it even more. I feel it had quite a few great moments in it. Yeah, it wasn't the best of this season by any means, but it was entertaining IMO.

jds1982
May 11th, 2007, 07:46 PM
I had a question, have cargo ships always had weapons on them, or is the first time we've seen that? But damn Claudia Black has some legs!

the fifth man
May 11th, 2007, 07:55 PM
I had a question, have cargo ships always had weapons on them, or is the first time we've seen that? But damn Claudia Black has some legs!

Yes, they've always had weapons on them. And yes, CB does indeed have a fine pair of legs.:D

greytop
May 11th, 2007, 08:09 PM
Is it just me, or was Vala's dress suspiciously similar to Sam's one in The Road Not Taken?


Very similar cut. Even the back was similar. Just much shorter.

suseDifferent universe.

Hatusu
May 11th, 2007, 08:38 PM
Different universe.
Hi Greytop. :D

In what universe have you been hiding. :P

Ezi_May
May 11th, 2007, 09:13 PM
Did anyone else spot the pale green flyer, at the high school and near the phone, that said "Damien Kindler"? :D

I saw that sign and the one for Peter DeLuise. I think it said "Vote Peter Deluise for President" and "Damien Kindler for Secretary." Or something like that.

krash
May 11th, 2007, 09:21 PM
Really enjoyed the episode, good to get a little bit of background on Mitchell.

However...I have 1 small request for the producers at Sci-Fi: please stop making Vala so freakin' hot. :vala: I was ok with the black leather outfit, then the whole flirting with Daniel thing, and you made her part of SG1 (yeah), and introduced the pigtails ;) (from the bottom of my heart thank you!)

Then there's this week, you take her outside SGC, pigtails with short-shorts and that wheat thing (with target practice). :valaanime04: and the lil black dress...

...thank god there's only a few episodes left, cause you keep doin' this to me it's gonna be like 7th grade again! My shower can't make water cold enough...you can't do this to me...show mercy...I can't go there!

Again, loved the episode! :cameron:

majorsal
May 11th, 2007, 09:33 PM
it actually wasn't as bad as i thought it would be. :p (how's that for a back-handed compliment :p)

mitchell and vala together are cute. too bad they couldn't ship them together. :p -and i think it goes to show just how much chemistry those two have together. i've watched maybe three episodes of farscape, and then just minutes of each, but i saw tonight how easy and well they work together. all joking aside, it's really too bad they couldn't have shipped them here.-

vala with mitchell's parents was cute. :p

the rest of the episode was alright.

i can't believe my fave parts of this ep all surrounded mitchell and vala. and together! :p





sally :)

Orion's Star
May 11th, 2007, 10:15 PM
While the episode was mostly enjoyable (solely due to Cam and Vala), and because every scene with Vala was pure awesome (least of which because CB has amazing legs), I could not get over how ridiculous the plot was. A price put on SG-1's head? Uh...so what? What good will that do?

Am I supposed to believe that killing SG-1 will stop the hundreds of other military personnel with the SGC from conducting operations against the Lucian Alliance (or whoever)? That makes no sense. If SG-1 was killed, why would Earth stop trying to hinder the LA's operations? They could just send another team...and another...and another.

Anyway, still a funny look at Mitchell's background, and it's never a dull moment when Vala is in the outside world.

Krisz
May 11th, 2007, 10:46 PM
This could well be an episode from 'Wormhole X Treme'!!! The throwaway rescue at the end and all the smug 'we do this all the time without any effort' behaviour, what else could it be?!! :D

For frivolous entertainment though, with a few good laughs thrown in, it was a good episode.

Kliggins
May 11th, 2007, 11:41 PM
OK, is it Vandenberg, or Vanderberg? The Season 9 DVDs subtitle it as Vanderberg, as does the Omnipedia. But it sounds like Vandenberg to me, even slowed down. Google gets more hits for Vandenberg (Specifically, 'amy vandenberg stargate'), and Firefox's spellcheck is flagging Vanderberg, but not Vandenberg.

It's Vandenberg Air Force Base.

Quartz
May 12th, 2007, 12:03 AM
a mixed bag on this one

the good

they found a flat part of cananda to be Kansas. better than Jerico and the mountains in the back ground

the locals weren't too massively hickified. We may be mostly rural, but we're not backwards

they picked two real towns, even though they did multiply the population of Auburn by a factor of 10 (the real town has all of 2000 people in it, and no high school)

sam and lee were funny

it had some laugh out loud moments
vala and cam's parents was cute, his classmates were 'real', so was the high school gym and hte costumes on the others. they weren't too horribly hickified.

the bad

the daisy dukes....guys, guys, guys, i'm sure that claudia is proud of getting her body back after baby (and good for her) but in a rural community her clothing choice would be dang close to indecent...or something worn by ladies of the world's oldest profession. If the costum folks were so hung up on the blue gingham to make an oz joke, they shoulda let vala wear the whole shirt.

the plot...yep, still making fanfic into episodes. hunted down for attacking the killer corn. what would have made more sense than being tagged - and how did the lucian allience actually accomplish that anyway - they could have had them tap into thosee stupid transponders they all have inplanted and use it against them. woulda made more sense

what the HECK happened to secrecy??? aliens running amuck on earth and no one cares??? No one notices? I'm sorry, i long for the days when teh SGC seemed to care and tried to keep aliens secret. This one pushed that credibility envelope way too far....again.

and sam explaing the how and why to the baddies????? stupid. sure, let's tell the baddies all our secrets. maybe next time we'll invite them over before we trick them and just give them what they want

All in all, it had its moments. I giggled a bit, rolled my eyes a lot and chalk this one down as yet another - of too many - missed opportunities.

Boys, if you're gonna turn fanfic into episodes, how about you find some GOOD and original stuff instead of this marty stu junk that reads like it was written by a 13 year old during study hall.

You're professionals, it'd be cool if the episode looked like it was written by one instead of someone's younger sibling

I know it's been months, but I just want to say Skydiver said everything I wanted to once I finally saw this episode. Oh, and I survived the Wakarusa flood!

LoneStar1836
May 12th, 2007, 12:25 AM
Ugh. That was a waste of an episode. :rolleyes:

It had some redeeming scenes...basically the ones with Vala/Cam, Darrel, parents...and to think I despised her character (though I like CB and was looking forward to her appearance on SG) when she was first introduced...course there are still things I don't like about how they write her. :mckay:

But the plot was pointless...though I guess the one good thing about the plot resolution is that it hopefully buries that boring Lucian Alliance arc.

ancientaction
May 12th, 2007, 04:54 AM
it was a good ep to me.

i liked the cargo ship blowing up. nice space scene.

Vala and Cam, good combo, especially in the end "GO GET IN THE CAR"

Danny's assasin, hot. but dead. you can tell tho that Daniel realized something was odd as she came back to hit on him.

tealc had the short end of the whole episode, the Jaffa assaination scenes are always so..... Redcoat?!

Sam and Dr. Lee scene, i totaly did not expect her to be using the hologram for herself, i thought she was gonna use it to make an image of something else, like the asguard thing again, just to show it off.
and the fact that they lucked out and got the weapon to work. nice to see were finally getting somewhere on our own with energy weapons.


and near the end with the cam and vala assasin, when SG-1 beamed in, i was like, oh crap, there goes topsecret, but then again. everybody was drunk anyway, and most of them would probally be glad they didn't wake up with white powder on there face the next morning



I give this episode a 7.6/10 (not quite an 8/10, but better than a 7/10)
i like the fact that they finally finished the "we are now at war with the LA"
and the fact that they gave and obvious clue that there are far more missions offscreen

rnwhocares
May 12th, 2007, 05:37 AM
I just LOVED Daniel's line reference to scooby doo-"If not for us meddling kids" LOL:) Also, when Daniel's assassin got killed by the bus-totally unexpected. Did anyone else notice when Daniel's assassin first met him at the bookshelf when she lifted her hand you can see the weapon she holds with her fingers.

FoolishPleasure
May 12th, 2007, 05:55 AM
Overall I thought this was a fun episode, and Vala with Cam's parents was cute.

With Cameron wishing he had gotten the girl all these years, it might have been fun if the writers had been more realistic and had Amy with a few more pounds, divorced, and with 3 or 4 teens at home. . .its been 20 years for gosh sakes. ;)

Funniest scenes though was Dr. Lee flirting at the conference, and Sam's reaction. Loved the Kindler and deLuise posters at the school.

betjam
May 12th, 2007, 09:26 AM
Loved the bus...totally unexpected.

I liked the look Cam's dad gave his son when Cam returned after making his phone call.

ShardsofGlass
May 12th, 2007, 09:46 AM
I really enjoyed this ep. It was silly and funny and had nothing to do with any arcs except for the Lucian Alliance, but it totally cracked me up. I think SG does comedy really well, and I usually enjoy it much more than its drama.

Cam was just adorable when he tripped over his chair to talk to his high school crush, and it was fun watching Vala overcompensate as she tried to be the ideal date for Cam. Daniel's bounty hunter getting hit by a bus also cracked me up.

And one of the best parts of the ep is that it didn't have any boring parts -- unlike last week's The Shroud, which was painful to watch it was so boring.

Bounty didn't have any conference room scenes -- yay! It didn't have anyone explaining something for the umpteenth time in excruciating detail -- yay! ANd it had humor, and hot guys in nice outfits -- double yay!

crazymom
May 12th, 2007, 10:33 AM
I like having a fun episode now and then to relieve the heaviness of the whole Ori thing. This was just right for that. Vala was so, well, Vala. Perfect! Cam saying "It's in Kansas" cracked us up here in Kansas. The bounty hunter and the bus was so unexpected and so ridiculous that we just couldn't stop laughing! It was great! I liked the mix between the seriously dangerous assassins and some of the cheesy effects--you never knew what was going to happen next. Dr. Lee got to have some fun AND help save the day--finally!

Naomi
May 12th, 2007, 11:26 AM
I enjoyed this episode. Very funny, and I look forward to seeing it again. I agree that Vala was so Vala, and that was so very perfect for the situation. Loved the looks Vala received from everyone she spoke to. Extra-terrestrial bounty hunters and Vala at a high school reunion. Beautiful! And, the things Vala said to Cam's parents were priceless.

acdj31
May 12th, 2007, 11:38 AM
A BUS. A F**king bus. Okay I thought that Daniel was going to get beam away or even caught by the female hunter but I never saw that one coming.
That was so bad it was almost funny.


a mixed bag on this one

the good

they found a flat part of cananda to be Kansas. better than Jerico and the mountains in the back ground

the locals weren't too massively hickified. We may be mostly rural, but we're not backwards

they picked two real towns, even though they did multiply the population of Auburn by a factor of 10 (the real town has all of 2000 people in it, and no high school)

I was thinking the same thing about Kansas. Must be the same part of Canada they shot Smallville at (Big hills but no mountains).:cameron:

Overall it was an okay ep not the best.

jckfan55
May 12th, 2007, 02:25 PM
This had a few good moments but IMHO was mostly bad.

First, the handling of Vala was appalling, IMHO. After weeks of making her seem a bit more serious they do *this* to her? I doubt even Vala would wear that shorts outfit. And would she really make that crack about Mitchell and her to his *parents?* By now she'd also know better than to make comments about her life before earth to random people at the reunion. The least they could have done is made Cam say something like "such a kidder" to sweep over those comments.

The cell phone issue. Landry couldn't think of calling Mitchell back at his parents' house on a land line if he was in danger? You can't tell me Cam didn't either leave the number or that the AF couldn't get ahold of it. Lazy writing to set up the later confrontation.

Teal'c yet again was barely used. :(

Good moments. Cam & Amy were kind of sweet. Sam at the conference was nice. Blowing up the segmented cargo ship was kind of cool.

In all, not an episode I need to watch again. Too bad. :(