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January 8th, 2007, 10:48 AM
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When the team finds Merlin himself, they must help him complete the Sangraal weapon before Adria and her Ori forces can track them down.

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Madeleine
January 9th, 2007, 01:08 PM
That was smashing! I want to watch it again.

Best Daniel ep in a year or so. Spunkiest Sam since s1. Cam and Vala being all team-ish over Daniel. Teal'c winding up Sam and Baal soooo innocently ;)

And crikey what an ending :eek:

TheWarrior
January 9th, 2007, 01:09 PM
Don't usually post in an episode discussion thread but this episode deserves it

WOW

What an amazing episode.

I loved the dragon scenes at the start and the way Teal'c ran out and threw the C4 in the dragons mouth and nothing happened and had to hop foot it back to the woodland.

The part when Merlin came unfrozen and Daniel explaining things was a bit slow - but once he took on Merlins knowledge and started to build the weapon the action picked up.

Sam punching Baal, he had it coming :sam:

Loved the gun battle scene at the end, I mean we had tonnes of gun battles with the Jaffa in the first season and second of SG-1, yet our first gun battle with Ori soldiers was in Part I, but this one ruled.

Daniel controlling weather like Oma was good and the way he protected the team and helped them escape even thoe he prob knew he couldn't get back with them.

Looks like Adria is going to have her way with Daniel, but the one big question is:

Was the weapon destroyed by Adria or is it still half complete because she knew no-one will ever get there again to finish it.

Overall an amazing episode.

Trialia
January 9th, 2007, 01:10 PM
YAY!!!

^ My reaction to Sam giving Ba'al a bloody nose. Literally. *giggles* I actually punched the air. I've been wanting to see her do that in response to some of his snarky chauvinist crap forever. *grins* He always makes me laugh, but he does get on my nerves sometimes. Just a little.

-- Merlin/Moros! Yay, but it was kind of sad to see him die, though it was nice to see he'd mellowed since Atlantis. I wonder if this means Daniel got the memories of meeting Elizabeth Weir the first time her expedition hit Atlantis? Hmmmm.

-- Really wanted to hug Vala. This episode totally cemented my Daniel/Vala 'shipping...

-- Cam, I'm beginning to like you.

-- Cliffhanger. EVIL. Adria also evil. But hot. Mmmm...

beale947
January 9th, 2007, 01:10 PM
all I can say is.... WOW!!! This was an amazing episode. Daniel was brilliant. And so was adria. Teal'c insults to baal, and Merlin stealing Baal's voice classic :D

And we know how epsiode 13 occures now... what an ending!
10/10!

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 9th, 2007, 01:11 PM
It was very very good, definitely the best episodes in recent years, and probably one of the best ever.

It was funny when Sam punched Ba'al :D

SGFerrit
January 9th, 2007, 01:14 PM
YAY!!!

^ My reaction to Sam giving Ba'al a bloody nose. Literally. *giggles* I actually punched the air.


Lol me too

Excellent episode, really enjoyed it. The start was very fast paced. And the character interaction was just great, everyone got good scenes and screen time, and there was angsty stuff too. You got to see how much Vala cares for Daniel.

raknor
January 9th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Wow

That was great, best episode for a while. Best Daniel espisode in ages, Sam puching Baal so good. And Vala, first time I've warmed to her character. Best group interaction this season

kirmit
January 9th, 2007, 01:21 PM
I loved this episode, everyone had a part to play and they really felt like a team. The dragon scene was amazing, especially the part when it smashed out of the top of the mountain. I found the way Adria used the DHD very kool aswell, the battle with the soliders was good, though would've liked them to put up a bit more of a battle but the battle between Adria and Daniel made up for that. I loved the end, especially because I loved everytime we get to see an Ori ship :P. Overall brillant episode, one of my favs, 10 outta 10. Oh yer and loved Cam's line, probably his best line ever.

thewatcher
January 9th, 2007, 01:24 PM
Could have done with much more of the dragon - it felt like the writers have decided to speed things along for the last few episodes. Not a bad thing after series 9, which seemed to take forever to get not very far.
However, it does look like Daniel will get some quality airtime for the rest of the series!:daniel: I loved the way that Merlin taking him over wasn't outright, but seems to be a developing thing.
And Sam decking Baal? Wonderful!

Want more! Now!

bcfc
January 9th, 2007, 01:25 PM
Same as everyones comments really,

Good interaction with the characters, superb action,Daniel was on the ball and was his best performance yet.

Other things were Sam hitting Baal which he had coming. You have to wonder a few things though, what happend to the weapon and has the knowledge really gone from Daniels mind.


Better than Pegasus Project

10/10

:)

grasshopper64
January 9th, 2007, 01:26 PM
Better than I was expecting actually

Good things:

Sam hitting Ba'al was the best moment for me, go Sam!
Plus Teal'c being all menacing towards him, always fun to watch.......
Some nice Cam/Vala interaction, about time they allowed those two to interact properly.
And Cam told Vala to shut up, about time someone did:)
Cam actually calling Daniel "Daniel" if only under duress, I wish he would drop
the "Jackson"
A good ep for Daniel and nice that Oma Desala was brought up, I'd have liked to have seen her again.
Jack actually getting a few mentions, nice to know he's not forgotten.....
I liked Adria in this, she's a bad girl....

Bad things:

The dragon, I sorry but it was lame for me, like some bad B movie.
A bit too much Daniel/Vala yet again for me, can't those two be allowed to be apart for a while:(
The whole download thing was a bit predictable for me, Daniel getting telekenesis, that was pushing it a bit OTT for me.......
I would have liked to have seen Vala have a bit more interaction with Adria, a bit of a wasted opportunity there.

Overall 6/10

Raj_2006
January 9th, 2007, 01:26 PM
tht was one of the greatest episode ever, it was sooo great. It aired on my birthday, how cool is tht for a birthday present. :D

10/10 :D

DavetheAvatar
January 9th, 2007, 01:27 PM
Fantastic episode. It was a much better conclusion to the story than I had expected with loads of great moments that have already been mentioned (e.g. Baal getting a smack in the face, Adria's cool DHD speed dial, Dragon bursting out of the mountain, etc.)

One problem I had was the ending being slightly rushed but the Daniel/Adria fight and cliffhanger more than made up for that.

immhotep
January 9th, 2007, 01:30 PM
Ok firstly i just want to express how awesome i think this episode was, i have watched two of the best ever stargate episodes in one day, Window of Oppertunity was on earlier and then THIS!

Quest part 2 is IMO one of the best episodes ever. From start to finish it was brilliant to watch. It had everything, Adria was great, she has to be one of the best villain there has been, and i just want to mention, how bloody cool was it seeing baal, Adria and SG1 together. They just look fantastic together.

The dragon scenes, kudos to the CGI guys the dragon was perfect, it acted exactly as it should do and well it was realyl amazing. The Shield expanding from Adria was predictable, it would have pushed her off the ledge at that point but still, id thank her afterwoods.
The field scene was hilarious,
i was so in to it i didnt even notice the credits, Teal's one liners have been excellent in this episode but "puff" is officially his best EVER use of sarcasm. the C4 and P-90 firefights were great and Daniel and Vala dispatching of the dragon was classic vala/daniel-ness.
Next up the Lair of Merlin! How cool, and it wasnt overly cliche ancient lab, it was perfect, loved it. Merlin, what a chap! I want him to get revived in a sarcofagus and be a regular and lead the SGC. By far the coolest ancient there has ever been on stargate. building the Device, shutting up Baal! hehe.
Shame he died :( That sucked but OMG!!! Daniel! Im very overexcited if people cant tell, i think this is the most giddy ive been in 2 years but WOW! Daniel is merlin! Built the Device all the super powers, he could ever rain thunder which proves merlin really was the most powerfull human there was at that time. I miss merlin but i cant wait for the shroud!
Adria and he cool dialing thing, i was really :O:O:O Cool
Sam punching Baal, the souvenistic ****, but wow! what a punch and reaction, tealcs one liner!
Vala/ cam scene over daniel, i respect that he and she care and i lvoe them both but Cam hasnt been through enough situation where peopel have risked thier live for the sake of the team to actually know what the hell hes talking about and while yes that comment is true he should have said that IMO
The end scene! How amazing was that, Daniel if he was strong and recoverd would be a powerfull as Adria, i knew he would be our Prior at some point, and damn wasnt he a great one! Daniel is a god and i would kneel before him! I cant wait for the shroud and i hope he hasnt lost his merlinity because i think he has earned the right to have power for just a little while. But my friend just surgested that adrias going to use him to build a weapon to wipe out the ancients instead and i have a really bad suspicion that he s right but i really dont care.

This episode was amazing from start to fiinish, every bit even if i didnt neccisarily agree was great and this has to be one of the best evening for stargate in along time! 15/10. Legendary episode and it become one of my favourates already, well worth the wait!

Immhotep

susanmary_1
January 9th, 2007, 01:30 PM
Fantastic episode, one of my favourites this season.

I loved the start where the team were talking about names for the dragon, Teal'c deadpanned with "Puff", I laughed out loud.

So if Sam is Guinevere, Cam is Percival and Daniel is Galahad, I who wonder is King Arthur :jack:

Loved Merlins lab, shouted at the TV "look out for the head sucker!"

~Benjamin~
January 9th, 2007, 01:31 PM
wow loved the episode hope you all did , i liked the dragon and the C4 bit , i also loved the 1st ori v human battle (about time)

i think this best episode all season (so far) cant wait for next week

10/10

(wow lots people posted already and this is also the most ive ever seen veiwing 26;) )

Raj_2006
January 9th, 2007, 01:33 PM
wow loved the episode hope you all did , i liked the dragon and the C4 bit , i also loved the 1st ori v human battle (about time)

i think this best episode all season (so far) cant wait for next week

10/10

(wow lots people posted already and this is also the most ive ever seen veiwing 26;) )

There are more guests then there are members. :lol:

IWKYZerocool
January 9th, 2007, 01:35 PM
Now that is a brilliant episode, recommend for every SG1 fan to watch, in my opinion the best episode ever.

Started with the dragon in the cave, as the dragon attcked them with fire, Adria extended her shield to protect them all, then the dragon tried to hit them with the tail but missed, but managed to make a hole for the SG1 team to get through (and Adria), the team had to get out the way fast as the dragon shot another fire out its mouth and went down alot of corridors, finally the team got out, but it was not long after the dragon came through the cave top and tried to attck them outside, the team went into the woods for protection and thought of tying 4x C4 together, and Cameron was going to run in the field but Teal'c like usual stopped it and he ran out, when the dragon went for teal'c he ducked and the dragon stopped flying, as the dragon was standing there Teal'c threw the C4 at the dragon and believe it or not but the dragon swallowed it, after the Sam set the C4 up only fire came out of the dragons mouth.

Then Daniel being clever as he is stated that on the parchment you have to say the guardians name which was morgan Le Fay as he said this Vala ran out to the field right in front of the Dragon and shouted Morgan the Fay but nothing happened, then Daniel ran over and said the name in Ancient and the Dragon disappeared, as they got back to the cave they got beamed out but no Adria (guess it was a safe guard), and as they were searching this cave they find merlin frozen, as they were looking around the cave, Vala nearly put her head in the sucker device as it sucker device came out Merlin came unfrozen, but fainted.

When Merlin finally came through he thought all of SG1 was the Knights of the round table, after Daniel talked to Merlin explaining what happened, Merlin started to begin working on making the sangal, but Merlin stopped as he needed to rest and advised Daniel and Vala that he cannot finish the weapon in time as his body is to old.

Merlin told Daniel he had one more final thing to do and went back to the sucker thing, as he did that a bright light came from the device and Merlin fell back into Daniel and he was dead.

In the mean time every couple of hours they get transported to another planet to prevent people finding them so Sam and Baal are working on the DHD to try and get a outgoing wormhole.

After Daniel and Vala talked for abit Daniel what Merlin mean't and put his head into the headsucker, Vala then called Cameron inside the cave and Daniel had also fainted, when Daniel finally woke up he told them that Merlin knew he did not have enough time as his body was to old so he planted his memory into the device.

It then went back outside and Sam said she does not think it is the DHD but the device in front of it, as usual Baal is rude and does not believe her as she is a human and a female.

After that Daniel put his head into the headsucker and a 3d display came up and started to finish making the Sangal. Daniel had to stop after a while due to the machine tired him out, he asked Vala for a drink of water but all of the sudden the bottle of water floated in the air to Daniel (yes he has telekentic) after that Daniel went back to work, now the 3d display makes a device virtually then creates it real, the sangall is in stages to complete.

It then went back outside and Sam found the control conduit in the device in front of the DHD but she cannot understand the code, she went to Baal asking for assistances but again Baal was rude, so Sam turned around and punched him straight to the floor giving him a bloody nose. After this happened Baal then agreed to help her.

After a while they get transported again to another planet with Adria hot in pursuit. As Daniel was completing the second stage of the device he stopped and told Cameron and Vala to get to the gate as this happened the gate had a incoming wormhole.

Ori fighters started to come through and Sam, Teal'c started to fire at the gate killing loads of Ori fighters as this was happening Baal said he was getting some help but he got hit by an Ori weapon, as this happened Vala and Cameron came out and started to shoot at the Ori.

As this was happening Daniel was inside and Adria appeared and said you have failed, Daniel replied "no", as this happened a dark cloud appeared in the sky and lightining came down and hit all the Ori fighters. Then all of a sudden Daniel comes flying out of the cave, the Adria appeared and some sort of energy weapon appeared in her hand and went to hit the rest of SG1 but Daniel jumped in the way to protect them telling them to go.

The rest of the team arrive at SG1, and in the same room when they found out about the 1st planet with the tests on, and Vala was hitting the keyboard as she cares to much for Daniel.

The last scene showed an Ori ship travelling through hyperspace as the camera went into the ship there was Daniel in one of the rooms with a hangover, Adria opens the door and said are you ok, Daniel replies 'I don't know if you know what a hangover means and don't worry I have lost all the information', Adria replies 'Your mind was not meant for that much info', Adria knows that Daniel has not really lost the memory and the last sentence before it finishes Adria says ' Rest Daniel there is much to do'.

Hope you enjoy that 1st time I have done this, as i said this was a brilliant episode, 10 out of 10

Trialia
January 9th, 2007, 01:35 PM
Most you've ever seen viewing a thread or most you've seen viewing an episode thread? Because there were 158 viewers on the Torri/Weir wow thread right before GW crashed back when she last visited. :P

How do any of you know Cam hasn't been through situations like that? Perhaps he hasn't with SG-1 as much, but he HAS had the experience of being on a team before this.

Serebii
January 9th, 2007, 01:35 PM
If that wasnt the real Baal (He just got killed), then what on earth is the real one doing

Anubis-of-the-Goa'uld
January 9th, 2007, 01:37 PM
Great episode, disapointing with the dragon, it could have been more of a battle. But the rest made up for that.

Best episode for a while now.

vala101
January 9th, 2007, 01:38 PM
well literally all same fave bits as everyone else

i think sam hitting ba'al has got to be one of the best scenes ever!

and i literally cried with the hole vala and daniel interaction! it was so brilliant

finally the team is a team again! group interaction is back wooo

and puff the magic dragon now that was brilliant!

this episode was definatly worth waiting a couple weeks
stargate sg1 is beyond top form again!

xxx

Raj_2006
January 9th, 2007, 01:40 PM
well literally all same fave bits as everyone else

i think sam hitting ba'al has got to be one of the best scenes ever!

and i literally cried with the hole vala and daniel interaction! it was so brilliant

finally the team is a team again! group interaction is back wooo

and puff the magic dragon now that was brilliant!

this episode was definatly worth waiting a couple weeks
stargate sg1 is beyond top form again!

xxx

I cried my eyes out when he said "Puff" the magic dragon. :lol:

immhotep
January 9th, 2007, 01:41 PM
Most you've ever seen viewing a thread or most you've seen viewing an episode thread? Because there were 158 viewers on the Torri/Weir wow thread right before GW crashed back when she last visited. :P

How do any of you know Cam hasn't been through situations like that? Perhaps he hasn't with SG-1 as much, but he HAS had the experience of being on a team before this.
there was close to 600 viewing the stargate got canceled new thread!

kirmit
January 9th, 2007, 01:42 PM
How do any of you know Cam hasn't been through situations like that? Perhaps he hasn't with SG-1 as much, but he HAS had the experience of being on a team before this.

My thoughts exactly and Vala being a lone thief wouldn't of been in a team and had that kind of emotional attachment before, Cam's best line ever.

Trialia
January 9th, 2007, 01:42 PM
there was close to 600 viewing the stargate got canceled new thread!
That doesn't surprise me!

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 9th, 2007, 01:43 PM
I wonder, does "Puff" (as in "You're a Puff!") have the same meaning in America as it does here?

Trialia
January 9th, 2007, 01:44 PM
I wonder, does "Puff" (as in "You're a Puff!") have the same meaning in America as it does here?
*rolls eyes* You KNOW that wasn't the way Teal'c was using the term, at any rate, so it doesn't really need to be discussed here, does it?

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 9th, 2007, 01:45 PM
*rolls eyes* You KNOW that wasn't the way Teal'c was using the term, at any rate, so it doesn't really need to be discussed here, does it?

No, I was wondering if it was a deliberate joke by TPTB, because I wouldn't call a big scary dragon a puff..

immhotep
January 9th, 2007, 01:48 PM
And it was Puff, as in puff of smoke not Poof the Gay slang word..

flynn1959
January 9th, 2007, 01:48 PM
What a fantastic episode!!

Daniel was amazing, Mitchell called him Daniel...faint! Loved the team, loved all the H/C. I even and those of you who have read my posts must know what a big thing this is for me to say... I even loved Sam!! I cheered when she hit Ba'al.

I can't believe they cancelled this show, it is quite simply the best thing on TV.

Off to watch it again.

Trialia
January 9th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Actually, I thought it was "Puff" as in Puff the Magic Dragon? :P

Dani347
January 9th, 2007, 01:50 PM
I'm in America, so I haven't seen it, but from reading, it seems like Puff is in reference to Puff the Magic Dragon. "Puff the Magic Dragon, lived by the sea...."

Answered before me.

Trialia
January 9th, 2007, 01:50 PM
I'm in America, so I haven't seen it, but from reading, it seems like Puff is in reference to Puff the Magic Dragon. "Puff the Magic Dragon, lived by the sea...."
Exactly! That's what I thought. :P

flynn1959
January 9th, 2007, 01:51 PM
I wonder, does "Puff" (as in "You're a Puff!") have the same meaning in America as it does here?

What on earth do you mean? Oh I think I know but I also think you need to look in a dictionary that is not how you spell 'it'.

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 9th, 2007, 01:56 PM
Well I still got a laugh out of the unintended pun

thewatcher
January 9th, 2007, 01:56 PM
I have a very short memory - can anyone remind me please: what is the point of Baal being involved in the storyline? This episode he did nothing useful again. Yes, the writers made him help with the dialing /teleport device, but he wasn't needed. Sam has fixed/progammed the things before.

I just can't see the point of him being there other than to let the writers get more sarcasm in...

g.o.d
January 9th, 2007, 01:57 PM
Better than I was expecting actually


A good ep for Daniel and nice that Oma Desala was brought up, I'd have liked to have seen her again.


what?is she back?

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 9th, 2007, 01:58 PM
I have a very short memory - can anyone remind me please: what is the point of Baal being involved in the storyline? This episode he did nothing useful again. Yes, the writers made him help with the dialing /teleport device, but he wasn't needed. Sam has fixed/progammed the things before.

I just can't see the point of him being there other than to let the writers get more sarcasm in...

I made sense for him to be in it because he was also looking for the weapon

kirmit
January 9th, 2007, 01:58 PM
I have a very short memory - can anyone remind me please: what is the point of Baal being involved in the storyline? This episode he did nothing useful again. Yes, the writers made him help with the dialing /teleport device, but he wasn't needed. Sam has fixed/progammed the things before.

I just can't see the point of him being there other than to let the writers get more sarcasm in...

A good episode has all elements to it, Ba'al provided a lot of the humour for the episode imo and I loved seeing him being apart of the team but not part of the team if you get me.

The episode reason being they thought he had the password though I knew in part one he didn't really.

immhotep
January 9th, 2007, 02:00 PM
I have a very short memory - can anyone remind me please: what is the point of Baal being involved in the storyline? This episode he did nothing useful again. Yes, the writers made him help with the dialing /teleport device, but he wasn't needed. Sam has fixed/progammed the things before.

I just can't see the point of him being there other than to let the writers get more sarcasm in...
Because Sam got to punch him! And it followed on from Baal downloading the eath dialing computer or whatever..and it just worked so well, it was amazing, Adria, baal and Sg1 should be a team all the time! The comedy, the action, the clothes, it just works so well!

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 9th, 2007, 02:01 PM
what?is she back?

No she was just talked about

thewatcher
January 9th, 2007, 02:02 PM
The comedy, the action, the clothes, it just works so well!

Well there is that:)

And the bloody nose:sam:

thefunkyone
January 9th, 2007, 02:10 PM
I liked the episode, but merlins lab got me thinking....

The design of the equipment was the "gothic" look... So wouldnt that suggest that all the "gothic" ancient tech design was designed after their return from pegasus (i know many here say the "gothic" design was pre-pegasus design).....

Unless the lab was just some really old one which merlin occupied !

MasterPower
January 9th, 2007, 02:10 PM
From the description of this episode I'm getting, it sounds pretty cool.
Unfortunately, the U.S. won't be seeing the episode until April.
Does anyone have pictures?

IWKYZerocool
January 9th, 2007, 02:18 PM
From the description of this episode I'm getting, it sounds pretty cool.
Unfortunately, the U.S. won't be seeing the episode until April.
Does anyone have pictures?

nope sorry as my pc is not linked with my tv.

Popeston
January 9th, 2007, 02:18 PM
I'm surprised alot of people think this episode was so fantastic.
It was good yeah but best ever?
Naaaah....

The Dragon looked a bit off at times but I think it still worked out very well.
I thought the moment between Cam and Vala about friends risking thier lives was very good.
And man, Ba'al is awesome.
Seriously, he should be part of SG-1!
Although I didn't like the Sam punching him bit.
All he did was she just because she's smart for earth doesn't make her smart in comparison to the rest of the galaxy and she whacks him and threatens to shoot him!
Whoa Sam, yesh... learn to take some critiscism.

But anyways, it was good
And I got low quality sounclips of Ba'al being great.
All in all I'm happy.

thewatcher
January 9th, 2007, 02:21 PM
So wouldnt that suggest that all the "gothic" ancient tech design was designed after their return from pegasus

They mentioned Merlin setting up medieval societies all over the galaxy, so presumably it's just his style.

Trialia
January 9th, 2007, 02:23 PM
Popeston, it wasn't so much what he said as his attitude entire toward her. Hell, if I'd been in her place I'd have socked him one too. :P

immhotep
January 9th, 2007, 02:26 PM
I'm surprised alot of people think this episode was so fantastic.
It was good yeah but best ever?
Naaaah....

The Dragon looked a bit off at times but I think it still worked out very well.
I thought the moment between Cam and Vala about friends risking thier lives was very good.
And man, Ba'al is awesome.
Seriously, he should be part of SG-1!
Although I didn't like the Sam punching him bit.
All he did was she just because she's smart for earth doesn't make her smart in comparison to the rest of the galaxy and she whacks him and threatens to shoot him!
Whoa Sam, yesh... learn to take some critiscism.

But anyways, it was good
And I got low quality sounclips of Ba'al being great.
All in all I'm happy.
Did you not hear the quote about him mocking of her because shes a female and human, and "dumb"..im a guy and id have hit him, im surprised tealc didnt, im surprised nobody just zated him and stuck him in a corner..

Popeston
January 9th, 2007, 02:32 PM
Ah you're all crazy man.
Clearly Ba'al is the only mentaly balanced individual around.
You've all been biased by years of SG-1 propaganda!

Anyways, I didn't like the fact that you were just waiting for Ba'al to die
And the fact no one even mentioned it.
Oh cloning... how you decrease tension.

immhotep
January 9th, 2007, 02:44 PM
so are you saying sexist remarks on Tv is ok? because i know hes a supervillain but this is a PG and generally a nice forum and sexist remarks on a show that has made women a very major part of the show and im sure there are many examples of how women in stargate are an example, i believe there is a book about it..sexist remarks are not meant to be a good thing. i'm sure sam would have hit you for agreeing with baal and if you are not then you have my appologies but if you are endorsing his statements im sure there will be at least a few thousand people ready to thump you right after shes done with you.

Wonky Bob
January 9th, 2007, 02:47 PM
Assume episode. best by far in years

only one question though

Why did the ancients come and kill the worriers but then leave???

kirmit
January 9th, 2007, 02:49 PM
Assume episode. best by far in years

only one question though

Why did the ancients come and kill the worriers but then leave???

it was daniel that did that not the ancients, that's what made him so weak.

Trialia
January 9th, 2007, 02:49 PM
Assume episode. best by far in years

only one question though

Why did the ancients come and kill the worriers but then leave???
They didn't. Daniel did that with Merlin's knowledge.

immhotep
January 9th, 2007, 02:49 PM
they didnt that was daniel!

and anyways im off, what a night!

mancslad08
January 9th, 2007, 02:53 PM
My god, that's the second Season 10 episode of SG-1 in a few weeks that's actually been GOOD! What's the world coming to. Shockingly, a fairly decent outing for SG-1...

- Nice action, nice storyline, good plot twists.
- Jumping locations was a nice idea.
- Contructing the weapon was also cool.
- Nice Vala scenes + finally a good speech from Mitchell.

Though dear god either give Baal something to do, make him SMART, or ffs kill the guy off.

Popeston
January 9th, 2007, 02:58 PM
so are you saying sexist remarks on Tv is ok? because i know hes a supervillain but this is a PG and generally a nice forum and sexist remarks on a show that has made women a very major part of the show and im sure there are many examples of how women in stargate are an example, i believe there is a book about it..sexist remarks are not meant to be a good thing. i'm sure sam would have hit you for agreeing with baal and if you are not then you have my appologies but if you are endorsing his statements im sure there will be at least a few thousand people ready to thump you right after shes done with you.

Hey man, I never agreed to the sexism (And anti-humanism!) Ba'al was saying. Maybe if I were an asexual Goa'uld I would but you know.
Just pointing out that the comments which would have warranted FACE PUNCH got by without any FACE PUNCH.
However when he questioned her intelligence she FACE PUCNHED.
And then threatened to shoot him!
She's just a bit insecure if you ask me.
I mean look at McKay, she hates him too!
What kind of person can't get on with Ba'al and McKay?
It's just revealing if you ask me...

BJX
January 9th, 2007, 03:04 PM
I missed the first 5-10 minutes of the episode, so I didn't see any of the dragon stuff (which can only be a good thing), and I have to agree with the majority that this was a really terrific episode.

The story moved along nicely. The "jumping" of locations was great and how long has it been since the Stargate and DHD has been an integral part of an episode, so nice to see that. The action scene at the end was terrific, and about bloody time too, and I love how the episode ended with so many loose ends. It really sets up the final half of the season nicely.

The best thing about this episode however was the team interaction. Mitchell/Browder was stunning in those scenes with Vala, as was Black. Carter knocking Baal made me smile. Teal'c was wonderfully crack-wise. Adria was a great villian and Daniel/Shanks was terrific.

A high quality episode.

feb04
January 9th, 2007, 03:05 PM
totally enthralling episode !!!! sam giving baal a right hook ( you go girl ) teal'cs threatening looks at baal - awesome !! daniels episode , he was great !
loved the dragon swallowing the c4 and the tiny little gas bubble he blew with it !! daniel and vala interacted well together , sam's anguished " we won't leave without you " near the end and then of course the scene in the sgc , very sad , but guys remember this is daniel ( he'll be back ) great episode well worth waiting a month for , feel sorry for you guys who have to wait. oh and by the way after sky one had shown sg-1 they put the new series of galactica on after it ( desperate for viewers or what ) i for one turned straight to my video and watched the quest part two again !!
STARGATE SG-1 RULES !!!!

what ! this is better ? i'm dead !!
this is colonel o'neill , he is much loved by apophis !!

Madeleine
January 9th, 2007, 03:07 PM
Hey man, I never agreed to the sexism (And anti-humanism!) Ba'al was saying. Maybe if I were an asexual Goa'uld I would but you know.
Just pointing out that the comments which would have warranted FACE PUNCH got by without any FACE PUNCH.
However when he questioned her intelligence she FACE PUCNHED.
And then threatened to shoot him!
She's just a bit insecure if you ask me.
I mean look at McKay, she hates him too!
What kind of person can't get on with Ba'al and McKay?
It's just revealing if you ask me...

I dunno, she was working against the clock and her co-worker was more interested in putting her down and being defeatist than in actually getting anything useful done. She sorted him out; she tried to be persuasive and diplomatic and Baal was still obstinately preening and sneering, but once punced, he knuckled under and did some actual work.

I think a bit of violence seems to have done the trick. Baal's perverse that way, he's a goauld.

Anubis69
January 9th, 2007, 03:13 PM
FANTASTIC! I can't help but think the cliffhanger would've been more potent had we not known the fate of Daniel but then again, that's been done so much it was probably better the way it was... :rolleyes: Daniel of old being back was amazing though. How i miss him.

I think a bit of violence seems to have done the trick. Baal's perverse that way, he's a goauld.
I loved how he was all chivalrous after that. "I would love to help you.." It really did raise a grin from my dour face!

The only bit i didn't like was Vala running at the dragon. Seemed a bit random. Then again, thinking about it and her convos with Cam about "self-sacrifice" (which were done really well as a sidenote) maybe it makes a bit more sense.

Poor Vala. Poor, poor Vala.

ETA: Holy crap. 112 people reading this thread.

mancslad08
January 9th, 2007, 03:17 PM
A high quality episode.

I'd nearly given up hope of ever seeing another high quality SG-1 episode.

Serebii
January 9th, 2007, 03:20 PM
I'd nearly given up hope of ever seeing another high quality SG-1 episode.
What has me worried is that the episode for next week's synopsis has Daniel mentioned as being with the team, but I'm pretty sure this is meant to be where hes gone. Is Sky messing with the episode order? Bloody hope not x,x

feb04
January 9th, 2007, 03:21 PM
I wonder, does "Puff" (as in "You're a Puff!") have the same meaning in America as it does here?
what !! surely you've heard of puff the magic dragon or am i showing my age here !!

Trialia
January 9th, 2007, 03:24 PM
what !! surely you've heard of puff the magic dragon or am i showing my age here !!
If you're showing your age, so am I, and I'm only twenty! :P

bcfc
January 9th, 2007, 03:25 PM
what !! surely you've heard of puff the magic dragon or am i showing my age here !!


He was being Politically Incorect.

Starxgate
January 9th, 2007, 03:26 PM
Great stuff it is going to be an intense final 9 episodes

Matt G
January 9th, 2007, 03:28 PM
OK...

1. OK so they added Ba'al into the mix to help with the DHD.

2. And the dragon was always going to be straightforward.

3. Switching the planet was a sly trick from Morgan.

4. Sam + Ba'al = an interesting combo.

5. Mitchell went up a mark in my estimation. :)

Overall, quite a way to end things. Best ep since Counterstrike. Still not as good as TPP though.

crompton20
January 9th, 2007, 03:28 PM
ok the next episode is caleld bounty and the one after that is shroud ( the one with daniel as a prior) now i assume there mixed up and shroud will air first

as for the ep........ awesome although seeing the frozen merlin i think should have been the mid season cliff hanger, also i doubt baal is dead (for those wondering since it hasn't been mentioned much he was shot by an ori weopen fell over and we never saw him again) the fact that we saw nothing else of him suggests that he actually survived ........ he will be in future eps ;)

Starxgate
January 9th, 2007, 03:39 PM
ok the next episode is caleld bounty and the one after that is shroud ( the one with daniel as a prior) now i assume there mixed up and shroud will air first

I think (shroud spoilers [spoil] he also becomes human again that same episode or the one right after that since according to spoilers hes not a prior for long. My guess is Merlin also left him the instructions just in case on how to come back to human form or something like that[spoil]

It sucks that Merlin could not stick around. He would have been cool as the temporary Daniel replacement

TheReturnOfTheLantian
January 9th, 2007, 03:40 PM
i loved this episode, baal got owned by a women ouch!, shame they didnt get the device and wil be intresting with daniel now. well worth the wait


10/10.

Trialia
January 9th, 2007, 03:43 PM
Can't we keep spoilers for the next episodes under cuts, please? I've been unspoiled for SG-1 season 10 so far, and I want that to continue.

Margaret
January 9th, 2007, 03:47 PM
I have a very short memory - can anyone remind me please: what is the point of Baal being involved in the storyline? This episode he did nothing useful again. Yes, the writers made him help with the dialing /teleport device, but he wasn't needed. Sam has fixed/progammed the things before.

I just can't see the point of him being there other than to let the writers get more sarcasm in...

He was a total liar, wasn't he? How like a Goa'uld.

Anyway, he now knows where Merlin's weapon is. He knows what it is and what kind of shape it is in. Whether he can make it work, is another question.

I wonder if the headsucker is empty now? Well, last I heard, they were rigged against Goa'uld tampering.

Now SG-1 needs to get Daniel back and keep the weapon out of Adria and Ba'al's hands.

Adria needs to make sure the weapon doesn't come to anyone who might be able to finish it. I don't know if SG-1 or Ba'al count as real threats.

mancslad08
January 9th, 2007, 03:57 PM
I wonder, does "Puff" (as in "You're a Puff!") have the same meaning in America as it does here?

Wow, aren't you mature.

Margaret
January 9th, 2007, 04:00 PM
All he did was she just because she's smart for earth doesn't make her smart in comparison to the rest of the galaxy and she whacks him and threatens to shoot him!
Whoa Sam, yesh... learn to take some critiscism.

She owes him for Insiders. :P

thewatcher
January 9th, 2007, 04:02 PM
My god, that's the second Season 10 episode of SG-1 in a few weeks that's actually been GOOD! What's the world coming to. Shockingly, a fairly decent outing for SG-1...

- Nice action, nice storyline, good plot twists.
- Jumping locations was a nice idea.
- Contructing the weapon was also cool.
- Nice Vala scenes + finally a good speech from Mitchell.

Though dear god either give Baal something to do, make him SMART, or ffs kill the guy off.

Totally agree.
I might be hoping for too much, but it looks like the show might go out on a high, rather than the time-wasting of the last couple of series.
As for Sky saying Daniel's in the next episode, you should check the Radio Times site - they've said that Terryl Rothery have been in all the episodes for the last year!:confused:

Anubis69
January 9th, 2007, 04:07 PM
ok the next episode is caleld bounty and the one after that is shroud ( the one with daniel as a prior) now i assume there mixed up and shroud will air first

as for the ep........ awesome although seeing the frozen merlin i think should have been the mid season cliff hanger, also i doubt baal is dead (for those wondering since it hasn't been mentioned much he was shot by an ori weopen fell over and we never saw him again) the fact that we saw nothing else of him suggests that he actually survived ........ he will be in future eps ;)
Wow, thanks for that. :mad:

Can't we keep spoilers for the next episodes under cuts, please? I've been unspoiled for SG-1 season 10 so far, and I want that to continue.
What she said.

bcfc
January 9th, 2007, 04:07 PM
Totally agree.
I might be hoping for too much, but it looks like the show might go out on a high, rather than the time-wasting of the last couple of series.
As for Sky saying Daniel's in the next episode, you should check the Radio Times site - they've said that Terryl Rothery have been in all the episodes for the last year!:confused:


Thats nothing I've seen TV and Satellite Week Magazine say at the beginning of season 10 that we are in season 8.

cheese
January 9th, 2007, 04:22 PM
Excellent episodes. Great moments for every character (except maybe Cam was a little underused. Maybe)

A satisfying conclusion and an awesome cliffhanger. Can't wait to see what happens next, and Atlantis is on tomorrow w00t!

Margaret
January 9th, 2007, 04:35 PM
i doubt baal is dead (for those wondering since it hasn't been mentioned much he was shot by an ori weopen fell over and we never saw him again) the fact that we saw nothing else of him suggests that he actually survived ........ he will be in future eps ;)

Ah . . . there are so many Ba'al clones running around that it doesn't much matter whether this particular one lives or dies. There will be plenty of Ba'als for future episodes. :rolleyes:

ACharmedAsgard
January 9th, 2007, 04:50 PM
I loved that episode.

The PTB finally added a bit more 'Team' into the episode and Teal'c got to be Heroish (Facing the dragon alone). Cam didn't try contolling everything which I liked.

Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Col. Shadow Quinn
January 9th, 2007, 05:01 PM
Any screencaps of the episode?

ACharmedAsgard
January 9th, 2007, 05:06 PM
Any screencaps of the episode?
Not yet I'm afraid :(

Uber
January 9th, 2007, 05:06 PM
And it was Puff, as in puff of smoke not Poof the Gay slang word..Actually it was Puff as in "Puff the Magic Dragon."

Frunk
January 9th, 2007, 07:13 PM
Daniel's an Ancient-ci :P

Perhaps the dragonball style beam struggle at the end was overdoing it, but at least now the story is actually progressing. Too bad next week is a filler 'baddie of the week' episode.

cheese
January 9th, 2007, 07:19 PM
Daniel's an Ancient-ci :P

Perhaps the dragonball style beam struggle at the end was overdoing it, but at least now the story is actually progressing. Too bad next week is a filler 'baddie of the week' episode.

Hmm, I was hoping that since this season is the last one they would cut down on 'filler' eps and use the final nine to give SG-1 (in series form anyway) a properly awesome send off.

The beam struggle and the other fantasy elements felt a bit off, but telekinesis, super-advanced seemingly 'magical' technology and the Ancients can be used to explain them in the SG universe.

chemicalNova
January 9th, 2007, 07:26 PM
I must admin, I haven't found many recent episodes to be that good at all. The Quest, in full form, had me pleased from start to finish. The second part, fantastic. I almost wish I hadn't read all the Gateworld spoilers, because I know what'll happen to Daniel now:

Although I know until we see Daniel as a prior I won't like any episodes leading upto it :/

chem

dannster
January 9th, 2007, 07:44 PM
Daniel's an Ancient-ci :P

Perhaps the dragonball style beam struggle at the end was overdoing it, but at least now the story is actually progressing. Too bad next week is a filler 'baddie of the week' episode.

Hey :)

I totally agree with you!! Unfortunatly, I read the spoilers so I kinda know I'm not gonna enjoy SG1 as much next week! Grrr!

I was wondering though...What if Baal does come back BUT with the weapon? Perhaps it's left behind on that world and he decides to steal it and trade it for something? Because we all know he will be able to get off that planet.

mancslad08
January 9th, 2007, 07:50 PM
I hope he's dead. Cool in Abyss, pathetic ever since.

Nightspore
January 9th, 2007, 08:39 PM
Better than I was expecting actually


Jack actually getting a few mentions, nice to know he's not forgotten.....
I liked Adria in this, she's a bad girl....



What?? They actually mentioned Jack's name? In what context?

Drakal
January 9th, 2007, 08:43 PM
What?? They actually mentioned Jack's name? In what context?

Mentioned him to the extent of that he had the knowledge of the ancients downloaded twice into his brain, and was almost killed. And then again for when they were building the weapon, if reference to the replicater weapon created by Jack when he had the knowledge of the ancients in his head still

quasarsky
January 9th, 2007, 08:48 PM
well here you go!:cameron:

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quasarsky
January 9th, 2007, 08:49 PM
Part 2 spoilers con't! screenshots MAJOR SPOILERS!!!
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mancslad08
January 9th, 2007, 08:53 PM
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Ok the dragon looks alright except in this shot where it looks so fake it's actually quite laughable.

quasarsky
January 9th, 2007, 08:54 PM
Ok the dragon looks alright except in this shot where it looks so fake it's actually quite laughable.

dude use spoiler tags!!! :D

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 9th, 2007, 09:24 PM
Just got done watching the episode and it was freaking awesome. I love it when Sam punched Ba'al. I guess those pictures weren't faked after all. A lot of "Farscape moments" in the episode. The Daniel/Adria fight was awesome, I can't wait until (Spoiler)Daniel becomes a Prior (spoiler end). I give it a ***1/2.

Top Season 10 episodes
-200
-The Pegasus Project
-The Quest Part 2
-Counterstrike

SG1-XF9
January 9th, 2007, 09:29 PM
Yes, you may ask. But I'd like to ask you why you care that I care. I mean...there are many things about which people care. This is one of them for me.


I live in Canada (Alberta) and the UK are so lucky!!!!!!!!!!!!They've had the chance to watch the episode before USA and here...


... my luck will come soon too!! in less than 2 hours, I will be able to watch the episode too. (download from internet!!) After I will watch it, I'll come here and post my review on it. Thank god there is internet... i can't wait until April!!!

Uber
January 9th, 2007, 09:56 PM
dude use spoiler tags!!! :DEpisode threads are different than the other threads on the forum.

Since it's assumed that the discussion/screen shots will be of the episode as it's the point of the thread, you don't have to use spoiler tags for an episode in its own thread.

Of course if you reference future events or future episodes, you do need to spoiler those comments. :)

quasarsky
January 9th, 2007, 09:58 PM
ah i get it now :). well i'll keep them just to keep this thread shorter cause it would sure be long with both open :D

esoap524
January 9th, 2007, 10:25 PM
She owes him for Insiders. :P

Ditto. Ba'al deserved more than what he got, namely, a punch in the face and an hit from the Ori staff.

Great episode--the early humor was very good ("perhaps...puff") and, my 17 year old daughter knows Puff the Magic Dragon so it's not necessarily a matter of age.

And then...ouch! Poor Daniel--excellent work by Shanks to show Daniel's confusion with his mixed sets of memories and his growing weakness Great Mitchell stuff, especially between he and Vala but he sure did a lot of grabbing (hmm...and next week they have a "date"?) Not that I minded at all, it was just amusing from my perspective.

I love Mitchell's speech (pep talk? come to Jesus meeting?) with Vala in the cavern and her reaction. That was some excellent stuff and finally--finally--Ben gets to do a solid, emotional scene that relates to everyone else. Ironically, it was opposite Claudia but, whatever. If that's what it takes, do it some more.

Also loved that Teal'c and Sam got some time together as well--notice the little nod from Sam when Mitchell hands T the explosives. Before he runs off, he checks in with her. Nice.

I hope this is a good indicator of things to come. I agree, the best since "Counterstrike."

Is Adria EEEVILLL or what?

Madeleine
January 9th, 2007, 10:30 PM
Quick reminder: the events of The Quest part II do not need spoiler tags in this thread.

The events of Bounty, Shroud or any other yet-to-air episode DO NEED SPOILER TAGS.


Tag by typing Teal'c eating jam on toast and it turns out like this Teal'c eating jam on toast

esoap524
January 9th, 2007, 10:31 PM
Ah you're all crazy man.
Clearly Ba'al is the only mentaly balanced individual around.
You've all been biased by years of SG-1 propaganda!

Anyways, I didn't like the fact that you were just waiting for Ba'al to die
And the fact no one even mentioned it.
Oh cloning... how you decrease tension.

LOL!!

He's certainly the most flashily dressed individual. Ba'al can't die--his wardrobe's too cool.

But I'm glad he got decked...he deserved that one.

madaboutdanny
January 9th, 2007, 10:32 PM
Some caps....

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the fifth man
January 9th, 2007, 10:38 PM
This episode sounds like it was amazing from most accounts. I can't wait to actually get to see it here in the States. April feels soooo far off.:(

PhatChance
January 9th, 2007, 10:49 PM
Woo can't wait to see in a few days when I have time. It usually this time of the year when Sci Fi premiere the second half on the season but they had to be morons and delayed it to April. -_-'

Mitchell82
January 9th, 2007, 10:55 PM
Well I have loved all of season 10 so far and from most accounts this is one hell of an episode! I can't wait to see it and plan to tommorow. Great screen caps everybodey and I can't wait to see it. Season 10 just getes better and better. DAMN YOU SCIFI FOR CANCELLING IT!:mckay:

The Kit Kat Lady
January 9th, 2007, 11:05 PM
I was surprised by this episode as it was far better than I anticipated it would be - whilst not quite Stargate of old, it certainly had more of a team feel to it than any previous episode I've watched with the current cast.

Daniel doing what he did was obvious and whilst it started with lots of exposition from him, it did turn into an interesting play-off between him and Adria.

Loved them trying to guess the name of the dragon, particularly Teal'c naming it Puff!

Also loved Sam punching Ba'al - this was so Sam of old in this episode and Teal'c's reaction to her treatment of him was excellent.

I now wonder if they will get to the planet with the part-finished weapon and will Daniel, when he returns, be able to finish it for them, or willl they rely on something else?

Elaine

lord-anubis
January 9th, 2007, 11:05 PM
great ep way better then the frist part i feel cheated thou i thought they get the weapon.

what was with the puch to baal from cater i dident see that coming it felt a weird.

Naonak
January 9th, 2007, 11:36 PM
Really, really excellent episode. As good as, maybe better than, The Pegasus Project, and one of the shows best ever episodes, IMO.

The Daniel/Mitchell/Vala stuff was amazing, especially the Mitchell/Vala scene - great work by the three actors.


I really do feel sorry for the US and everywhere else that has to wait.

Starxgate
January 9th, 2007, 11:37 PM
What if Baal does come back BUT with the weapon? Perhaps it's left behind on that world

I dont think Adria would be that stupid she knew the weapon was there. I also noticed that Daniel said "Indeed" in this episode. He is hanging around Teal'C to much

Stef
January 10th, 2007, 12:52 AM
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The Mitchell/Vala scene (above) was definitely my favorite moment (and that's saying a lot as I am a Daniel/Vala fan and they had a lot of nice moments as well). Claudia and Ben were great, especially Claudia...her concern for Daniel was heartbreaking. It was nice to see her character do something other than screwball comedy. There is depth to Vala afterall!

The whole grabbing and fighting moment between Mitchell/Vala was just so unexpected but it really made the scene for me. You know, I was a little confused about the plot for the next episode, specifically.....
....why Mitchell would take Vala with him to his reunion, but after tonight's episode it makes sense. He cares about her and wants to get her mind off of Daniel for a little bit.

It was nice to see all of the characters interact. Not to harp on Mitchell/Vala but for two characters that seem to have limited scenes together (with the exception of Momento Mori), they really captured my attention (the great chemistry between Ben and Claudia probably helped). As much as I like Daniel/Vala, it's nice to see her actually interact with the other team members (I'm crossing my fingers for some Sam/Vala scenes soon).

I also liked the dynamic between Ba'al and Carter. Maybe a little UST? Ha! Even Teal'c got off a good line about the dragon. Overall, definitely a great episode....better than Atlantis' first outing this second half of the season. Can't wait for next week! Should be....interesting.

-Stef

Stef
January 10th, 2007, 01:06 AM
Here are some of my favorite screen caps:

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-Stef

KIA Red
January 10th, 2007, 01:17 AM
very very cool what more can u say

Can't wait for the movie that will end the Ori

Jelmer
January 10th, 2007, 01:26 AM
While I liked it a lot too, I had 2 problems with it:

1. I felt a bit cheated that after 2 great episodes about getting the Sangraal the team got nothing at all in the end. I get that they want to keep the suspense and the feeling that the Ori are undefeatable but when you write episodes like these there should be some advancement in the fight... not just nothing. Actually less then nothing since they lost Daniel.
Though this could be resolved when they get Daniel back, since I'm kinda counting on it that's going to happen. (No spoilers here since I honestly don't know)

2. Why the hell are they first smart enough to realise Adria is going to be able to follow them and then stupid enough to stop the planet switching? I know it was necessary for the gate to be able to dial out but when they got it THEY DIDN'T?! Sam is way too smart to realise Adria is coming after them but not to care enough to make preventing her from being able to follow a priority. Maybe I missed something but otherwise I wouldn't call it a gaping plot-hole but a very questionable part of the storyline in the least.
The point is that the weapon should have been finished first before they stopped the switching or at least some indication that they were working together and not only thought that Adria might follow them but actually do something about it. I'm kinda hoping that on second viewing I'm gonna notice something I didn't the first time in this regard but I think it just isn't there...

Stef
January 10th, 2007, 01:40 AM
2. Why the hell are they first smart enough to realise Adria is going to be able to follow them and then stupid enough to stop the planet switching? I know it was necessary for the gate to be able to dial out but when they got it THEY DIDN'T?!

I didn't think they had gotten the gate to work. The last thing Sam said was something like, "well now it should be fairly simple to get it working from here." I think they were still in the process when Adria caught up to them. At least that was my perception.

But I was also wondering why they'd stop the planet switching...from their perspective, I'd have thought it would have seemed like a good idea. Of course in all fairness, it seems as if Adria was going to find them no matter what they did. Daniel would never have had enough time to finish building the Sengra'al (not sure of spelling) before Adria arrived, planet switching or not.

-Stef

StevenCaldwell
January 10th, 2007, 02:24 AM
The Quest part II aired last night in England! Have been waiting ages for it, was good how dannel figerd out how to use that machine, lets hope they can build that wepon!

wise one
January 10th, 2007, 02:31 AM
The Quest part II aired last night in England! Have been waiting ages for it, was good how dannel figerd out how to use that machine, lets hope they can build that wepon!

shoot i actually missed it!, it be ages till they show it again

StevenCaldwell
January 10th, 2007, 03:01 AM
Yeah it aired at 8PM on Sky one last night. Might be repeted at over the weekend not sure tho!

Darcy24380
January 10th, 2007, 03:14 AM
Yeah it aired at 8PM on Sky one last night. Might be repeted at over the weekend not sure tho!

yeah its repeated on saturday. cant wait for the next episode:)

StevenCaldwell
January 10th, 2007, 03:39 AM
The next one is Bounty! should be good, i hope they can build that wepon in time!!!!

silence
January 10th, 2007, 03:40 AM
There is not much to say after all other comments, but i have to say that i was really surprised how good it was... i expected less and i am happy it surprised me this way. As many have said, one of the best SG-1 episodes ever.

Now... i am going to watch it again... wanna catch all the things i missed first time i watched.

IWKYZerocool
January 10th, 2007, 03:47 AM
There is not much to say after all other comments, but i have to say that i was really surprised how good it was... i expected less and i am happy it surprised me this way. As many have said, one of the best SG-1 episodes ever.

Now... i am going to watch it again... wanna catch all the things i missed first time i watched.

Well I have already watched it 3 times, it is that good.

TheReturnOfTheLantian
January 10th, 2007, 04:12 AM
its a truely amazing episode ive watchd it 5 times so far what i episode for SG-1 on its last season.

Prior_of_the_Ori
January 10th, 2007, 04:22 AM
Yeah, since Adria said that each time they 'jumped' she was quicker in finding the location.

Brilliant episode I thought and personally I had a feeling it would be a lot better then the Return part 2 and I was not disappointed, no offence to Atlantis which was nice but this was just good.

Funny bits:
*Punching Ba'al
*Ba'al losing his voice
*'Puff'
*How Myrrdin died and Ba'al was saying that he regained his voice when he died with Teal'cs reply 'Yet another reason to grieve his passing'
*Teal'c 'Apparently, you two work well together'

Very good scenes:
*The dragon eating a bunch of C4
*Vala and Mitchell scenes as she is really hurt bad about the prospect of Daniel dying
*Myrrdin's sacrifice, was kind of sad
*Ori warriors coming out the gate and having their first real fight with SG-1, they were surprisingly doing very good despite their casualties
*Adria 'deciphering' the location the team beamed to, very mystical and scary almost saying the buttons glow....
*Not a brilliant scene but can't place it in the other sections here, Ba'als death... again. Personally, it just caught me by surprise a bit among the chaos that was happening
*Daniels personal 'sacrifice' by jumping into the Repository

Interesting pieces of information:
*The team including Ba'al possibly resemble the Knights of the Round Table
*Myrrdin knew Oma Desala and that her helping people has gone on for ages, since his time
*His comparison between Oma and the Ori 'they both meant well in the beginning'
*The super transporter capable of taking an entire room and beyond to another planet
*Adria's 'piece of the holy city of Celestis' being capable of expanding its range to cover more then on people

Questions that remain though:
*What happened to the Prior that was with Adria's followers, he could have done a lot more damage sure but he never appeared... unless he stayed back which makes no sense
*Where are Ba'als Jaffa? I really thought they would appear
*How will Earth fight the Ori now with no Sangraal which was never there in the first place... well it was there but then it wasnt....
*Somewhat surprised that Ba'al was allowed through the system since the Repositories themselves would not activate for a Goa'uld... but I suppose the security measure was that the Goa'uld could not activate any of the technology...

Agent_Dark
January 10th, 2007, 04:27 AM
Hah! Highlight was easily Sam punching the **** out of Ba'al :D :D And Puff! As soon as they starting thinking of names I was like 'OMG SAY PUFF!' and then Teal'c does :D :D

mancslad08
January 10th, 2007, 05:13 AM
Top Season 10 episodes
-200


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ;)

MechaThor
January 10th, 2007, 06:01 AM
MAN THAT WAS a gd episode. I am so glad Puff the Dragon was real. Which means somewhere out in the galaxy theres a planet full of Dragons lol.
It looks cool however it moved abit stiff.

I loved how they did the star wars and went from a desert to snow to a swamp forest. Its a shame that Baal Died as now he won't remember the gd times they had. Oh well.

Was it just me or did that episode seem longer than normal. Maybe because so much happened and they went to somemany places?

Raj_2006
January 10th, 2007, 06:14 AM
MAN THAT WAS a gd episode. I am so glad Puff the Dragon was real. Which means somewhere out in the galaxy theres a planet full of Dragons lol.
It looks cool however it moved abit stiff.

I loved how they did the star wars and went from a desert to snow to a swamp forest. Its a shame that Baal Died as now he won't remember the gd times they had. Oh well.

Was it just me or did that episode seem longer than normal. Maybe because so much happened and they went to somemany places?

Ya it did feel longer and i laughed when Micthell said SOB. :lol:

paulanthony
January 10th, 2007, 07:02 AM
This was the best SG1 episode I have seen in ages "woohoo". Possibly one of the best since Lost City
It was Action packed and packed full with Mythology . It was great!
But a few questions remain that I am not sure will be answered in the remaining episodes, so they will probably get answered in the upcoming SG1 films
Now we now that SG-1 are infact:
The real knights of the round table, confirmed by Merlin and Daniel
and Baal will play a crucial role in the future plot line because:
He has been identified as Mordrid the Betrayer
and according to Arthurian Legend:
Mordred was Arthurs iliigitimate son! Mordred fatally wounded Arthur in battle, leading to Arthur's death/ascension!!
which leaves the question:
Who is/was Arthur? RDA???
I love the current mythology slant in SG1 and cant wait to see how this mythology line will all pan out! in the end!

SG1 RULES wooHoo!!

Save SG1!!

mancslad08
January 10th, 2007, 08:17 AM
SG1 RULES wooHoo!!

Correction. 2 episodes of Season 10 and pretty much none of season 9 are good. At least this is the last season, this episode gives me hope that the series MAY actually go out on a high note after the rubbish of the last 2 or 3 seasons.

jannagalaxy
January 10th, 2007, 08:26 AM
Totally 1000% awesome!

Teal'c had the best lines! "Puff!" :D

MechaThor
January 10th, 2007, 08:27 AM
This was the best SG1 episode I have seen in ages "woohoo". Possibly one of the best since Lost City
It was Action packed and packed full with Mythology . It was great!
But a few questions remain that I am not sure will be answered in the remaining episodes, so they will probably get answered in the upcoming SG1 films
Now we now that SG-1 are infact:
The real knights of the round table, confirmed by Merlin and Daniel
and Baal will play a crucial role in the future plot line because:
He has been identified as Mordrid the Betrayer
and according to Arthurian Legend:
Mordred was Arthurs iliigitimate son! Mordred fatally wounded Arthur in battle, leading to Arthur's death/ascension!!
which leaves the question:
Who is/was Arthur? RDA???
I love the current mythology slant in SG1 and cant wait to see how this mythology line will all pan out! in the end!

SG1 RULES wooHoo!!

Save SG1!!

Maybe you are rigth and it was a forshadowing of SG-1 having to go back in time to get the sangral (like the ZPM b4) and while looking with Baal making people belive that are the knigths. NICE!

I hope we see more Dragons in the future!

FallenAngelII
January 10th, 2007, 08:37 AM
Exactly! That's what I thought. :P
I'm not American and even I got the Puff reference.

FallenAngelII
January 10th, 2007, 08:40 AM
This was the best SG1 episode I have seen in ages "woohoo". Possibly one of the best since Lost City
It was Action packed and packed full with Mythology . It was great!
But a few questions remain that I am not sure will be answered in the remaining episodes, so they will probably get answered in the upcoming SG1 films
Now we now that SG-1 are infact:
The real knights of the round table, confirmed by Merlin and Daniel
and Baal will play a crucial role in the future plot line because:
He has been identified as Mordrid the Betrayer
and according to Arthurian Legend:
Mordred was Arthurs iliigitimate son! Mordred fatally wounded Arthur in battle, leading to Arthur's death/ascension!!
which leaves the question:
Who is/was Arthur? RDA???
I love the current mythology slant in SG1 and cant wait to see how this mythology line will all pan out! in the end!

SG1 RULES wooHoo!!

Save SG1!!
Ok... that's reading waaaay too much into an old man's delusions.

kirmit
January 10th, 2007, 08:43 AM
Ya it did feel longer and i laughed when Micthell said SOB. :lol:

lol that was so unexpected and done really well, I literally blerted out laughing


Correction. 2 episodes of Season 10 and pretty much none of season 9 are good. At least this is the last season, this episode gives me hope that the series MAY actually go out on a high note after the rubbish of the last 2 or 3 seasons.

Well that's your POV, though many others don't share it such as myself, I have loved most of season 10 and the majority of season 9.

Unamed
January 10th, 2007, 08:43 AM
could someone tell me how adria got into where daniel was at the end, she didnt come through the gate?

Arbitrary
January 10th, 2007, 08:50 AM
Brilliant episode!

Things I liked:

obviously Sam Punching Ba'al was A major high spot and immediately set me to thinking that this was a long time coming. Sam should punch people more often. perhaps she'd even get to slug Meredith when she moves over to Atlantis. Given the prolific nature of Ba'als, the opportunity to do it again may arise.

Loved the dragon scenes, but they were a bit 'hobbit'.

I'm personally of the opinion that if Teal'c's sense of humour were any dryer it could double as a cactus nursery

'puff'
'Clearly you work well together'
'yet another reason to Mourn his passing'

good work ppl
A-

Alterran1.
January 10th, 2007, 08:50 AM
Baal was shot by an Ori wrist weapon and so is unlikely to be dead

maythethorbewithyou
January 10th, 2007, 08:51 AM
I dont think it is. Bit co-incidental that they looked like the Knights?

Mitchell82
January 10th, 2007, 09:03 AM
Correction. 2 episodes of Season 10 and pretty much none of season 9 are good. At least this is the last season, this episode gives me hope that the series MAY actually go out on a high note after the rubbish of the last 2 or 3 seasons.

Well that is your opinion and you'ree entitled to it, but me as well as others have really enjoy the last 3 seasons and I have yet to find a rubbish season in all 10 years. Quest 2 was excellent. Loved part 1 and loved part 2 even more. I for one am glad that they didn't get the weapon as it adds to the whole necesity thing. Can't wait for Bounty and then The Shroud.

Prior_of_the_Ori
January 10th, 2007, 09:08 AM
could someone tell me how adria got into where daniel was at the end, she didnt come through the gate?

It looked like she teleported so I assume that she managed to tamper with the transporter to transport her to the other side without being attacked by people shooting the first thing through the gate. Either that or her pendent has teleportation capabilities.......

ForeverSg1
January 10th, 2007, 09:22 AM
I'm surprised alot of people think this episode was so fantastic.
It was good yeah but best ever?
Naaaah....

The Dragon looked a bit off at times but I think it still worked out very well.
I thought the moment between Cam and Vala about friends risking thier lives was very good.
And man, Ba'al is awesome.
Seriously, he should be part of SG-1!
Although I didn't like the Sam punching him bit.
All he did was she just because she's smart for earth doesn't make her smart in comparison to the rest of the galaxy and she whacks him and threatens to shoot him!
Whoa Sam, yesh... learn to take some critiscism.

But anyways, it was good
And I got low quality sounclips of Ba'al being great.
All in all I'm happy.

I think you are missing the entire point of the interaction between Sam and Ba'al. You make it sound as if this is their first encounter and he made a few criticizing remarks and Sam got angry and decked him. The truth of the matter is this man is a murderer. The villian. He's tortured her former CO, killing him a dozen times in the process. He's held her captive, threatening to kill people she worked with if she didn't do as he asked. In short, he's made her life a living hell. Now, she's forced into a situation where she must work with him, yet again, in order to save Earth. I seriously doubt what we supposedly saw on screen was half of the insults and snide comments he's tossed around. Keep in mind that the time they spent on each planet was several hours. And what she said to Ba'al was completely true. He was only a member of the group because they felt he could be useful in obtaining the San'graal. In fact, he was a prisoner of war. Without his information, there really was no reason to keep him alive other than to take him back to Earth to face criminal charges. The fact that she put up with his sarcastic remarks as long as she did before decking him was amazing in my opinion. I seem to recall Teal'c pushing him around on several occassions so obviously Ba'al was getting on other people's nerves as well.


But that's just my opinion,
Kat

Praetorian
January 10th, 2007, 09:51 AM
I for one am glad that they didn't get the weapon


Remember that Daniel told Adria that she was "too late". He wouldnt have said that unless he meant it in some way. I think the weapon is somewhere...somewhere.

As for Baal...he's alive. He was only stunned. They made a point of showing the weapon he was hit with.

silence
January 10th, 2007, 10:06 AM
here are few screen caps of Daniel-Adria fight... i put it into spoiler tags if there are people who dont want to see these things...


should i say it was one of my favorite parts of this ep?


http://www.carpe-diem.hr/caps/bscap0068.jpg

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neoncrazy101
January 10th, 2007, 10:28 AM
and this episode is why SG-1 needed to go on to an 11th season. finally picked up to the way it used to be....ok well a little... i hate how the resent seasons have been going though (Atlantis included) how we get new tech. and then loose it again. that DRIVES ME CRAZY but then again makes it more interesting.

mancslad08
January 10th, 2007, 10:38 AM
and this episode is why SG-1 needed to go on to an 11th season. finally picked up to the way it used to be....ok well a little... i hate how the resent seasons have been going though (Atlantis included) how we get new tech. and then loose it again. that DRIVES ME CRAZY but then again makes it more interesting.

So finally we get 1 good episode and the series instantly deserves an 11th season? I don't think so.

TheWarrior
January 10th, 2007, 10:41 AM
could someone tell me how adria got into where daniel was at the end, she didnt come through the gate?



It looked like she teleported so I assume that she managed to tamper with the transporter to transport her to the other side without being attacked by people shooting the first thing through the gate. Either that or her pendent has teleportation capabilities.......

As Prior_of_the_Ori has said - Adria prob teleported in and it could have been also because Sam and Baal messed with the transportation device at the gate as well which allowed her to get through without any resestiance

maythethorbewithyou
January 10th, 2007, 10:46 AM
I think Daniel...

May have destroyed the weapan before she got in there. At the end of the day if he could get back there or to a similar terminal surely he can build it again? I have a feeling they were hinting at something when Merlin thought they were the Knights of the round table.

shockwave
January 10th, 2007, 10:51 AM
great ep
been a while it's been this good

The Ori
January 10th, 2007, 11:06 AM
Just watched it, not bad, but could be better, we now know how the Ori get hold of Daniel!!

spaceangel
January 10th, 2007, 11:32 AM
This has got to be one of my all time greats too. Maybe its because there has been so much substandard fare that this seems so good but I don't care. I think that SG-1 could go on for another season but since it's not I'm just glad that it will be going out with more of a bang than I could have hoped for, and certainly not a whimper.
Daniel was just fantastic! I rarely have the same reaction to characters in other shows that I do when he is on top form like this. I had a similar feeling when he held Replicarter at bay...it's almost awe as to what he is capable of.
Yeah, I know it's not RL but any show that can get such an emotional response from its audience has got to be doing something right.
This ep is one to watch and watch again.

angsty_otaku
January 10th, 2007, 11:33 AM
This was the best SG1 episode I have seen in ages "woohoo". Possibly one of the best since Lost City
It was Action packed and packed full with Mythology . It was great!
But a few questions remain that I am not sure will be answered in the remaining episodes, so they will probably get answered in the upcoming SG1 films
Now we now that SG-1 are infact:
The real knights of the round table, confirmed by Merlin and Daniel
and Baal will play a crucial role in the future plot line because:
He has been identified as Mordrid the Betrayer
and according to Arthurian Legend:
Mordred was Arthurs iliigitimate son! Mordred fatally wounded Arthur in battle, leading to Arthur's death/ascension!!
which leaves the question:
Who is/was Arthur? RDA???
I love the current mythology slant in SG1 and cant wait to see how this mythology line will all pan out! in the end!

SG1 RULES wooHoo!!

Save SG1!!

truth be told, i think that
there is a greater chance that daniel is arthur than jack...jack is probably lancelot or something :-D

mancslad08
January 10th, 2007, 11:50 AM
Well that's your POV, though many others don't share it such as myself, I have loved most of season 10 and the majority of season 9.

<mod snip>I'm not surprised by your view. I and many others don't share it and think that SG-1 after season 6 has been pretty much garbage for the most part.

kirmit
January 10th, 2007, 12:02 PM
[QUOTE=Kpnuts;6183104][mod snip]QUOTE]

Firstly, my Avatar does not reflect my opinion on every single matter, I simple like the humour of the character and don't think you should start attacks against him here as this is not an anti season 9 or 10 thread.

You don't like season 9 and 10 fair do's but the manner in which you replied to paulanthony's post was stated as fact that there were hardly any good episodes, which is not true, it is simply your opinion. Also looking through this thread I notice you attack various people for their opinions, one example was one person saying they liked '200' best, it is just their opinion and I think you should leave them to it and not attack them for it.

flynn1959
January 10th, 2007, 12:12 PM
Just watched this again with my youngest who missed it last night as Tuesdays are her drama night. I have to say it was even better this time around, a wonderful episode. Season 9 and 10 have been truly amazing and this episode was right up there in the top 3 IMO. Youngest loved it too, she took the dvd straight up to her room to watch it again!!

Love Daniel in this and Mitchell showing what a great leader he can be when allowed to act mature and not go blundering around like Rambo. Teal'c and Vala were amazing and Sam punching Ba'al was great, he was so asking for it.

What a shame they are cancelling this wonderful show when it is just getting better all the time. What a waste! They really are idiots over at Sci-Fi.

Farscapefan
January 10th, 2007, 12:22 PM
Just watched this again with my youngest who missed it last night as Tuesdays are her drama night. I have to say it was even better this time around, a wonderful episode. Season 9 and 10 have been truly amazing and this episode was right up there in the top 3 IMO. Youngest loved it too, she took the dvd straight up to her room to watch it again!!

Love Daniel in this and Mitchell showing what a great leader he can be when allowed to act mature and not go blundering around like Rambo. Teal'c and Vala were amazing and Sam punching Ba'al was great, he was so asking for it.

What a shame they are cancelling this wonderful show when it is just getting better all the time. What a waste! They really are idiots over at Sci-Fi.

Come to the official stargatesg1.com website and join us asking for season 11. The more people asking MGM about it, the better.

flynn1959
January 10th, 2007, 12:26 PM
Come to the official stargatesg1.com website and join us asking for season 11. The more people asking MGM about it, the better.


Oh I already have, and sent my letters and made my phone calls and sent my e-mails etc, etc.

They (Sci-Fi) really don't deserve this show.

Albion
January 10th, 2007, 12:36 PM
Well, this was the first episode since the S9 premiere that, for me, actually lived up to the TPTB promise 'we're going back to the adventure and team of S1'.

I enjoyed it for all of the reasons other posters have already mentioned. A real sense of team; not only did Mitchell and Vala not annoy me - I actually liked them. Holy cow! Never thought I'd be posting that here!

Several posters have mentioned 'Puff', but I was equally amused by Vala's running up and tossing out 'Morgan Le Fey' and then when it didn't work, "Daryl!!'. I thought that was hilarious. I also enjoyed Mitchell's pulling Vala aside and telling her that the point of being on SG1 wasn't being willing to sacrifice yourself for the team, but being willing to stand aside and watch another member of the team sacrifice themselves for you. Pretty cool, Cam.

Loved Vala's concern for Daniel - I still don't get a sense of real ship from those two and actually I enjoy the aspect of their relationship which I see - that Vala sees Daniel as her mentor, the first person who believed she had good in her enough to change her ways. Also loved Daniel the hero, protecting his team at the expense of his own safety.

I loved Merlin and Daniel's confusion over Merlin's memories (which is another turn up for the books as the Arthurian theme has bored me silly for two seasons). Adria's speed dial was cool. As has already been mentioned, I also wondered why they were trying to stop the planet shifts when they knew Adria was tracking them and it was only the planet shifts that were buying them time so Daniel could make the Sangraal before Adria caught up with them. Made no sense to me, but I may have missed something in the dialogue that explained it.

The punch, of course, was terrific. I wished at that point that Jack had been there to see it. :D I could just imagine his reaction. Although, much as I enjoyed Ba'al in this episode, it is still painful to see him reduced to the comic relief and having lost most of the menace he exuded in Abyss.

Great to see them referencing Jack - more of that, please!

All in all - a thoroughly enjoyable episode. Now, if they'd given us more of this (and this Mitchell and Vala) from the S9 premiere onwards, perhaps the show wouldn't have been cancelled. Shame that they're just hitting their stride now (way, way too late in the day) and that we won't have a chance to see them progress.

BTW, I've just read some more of the previous posts - regarding the Sangraal. I'm pretty sure that it's sitting there on the rock, half completed, when Adria transports into the cavern and Daniel and she have the conversation about whether he should have used his powers to help the team or fight her. Could be wrong, but could swear I saw it there.


Albion :)

MasterPower
January 10th, 2007, 12:38 PM
Thanks to everyone who has posted pictures for this episode. They look great!
Much appreciated.

JayShadow
January 10th, 2007, 12:43 PM
I've complained a few times about the mix of Humor and Drama being off, but I think this episode really got the pacing right in that reguard. The humor never killed the dramatic moments for once.

That dragon effects were really kinda embarassing to watch though. Especially the explosion of the C4 with fire effects I was doing in school 8 years ago and I'm not really a SFX specialist.

ussrelativity
January 10th, 2007, 12:45 PM
I cant believe I have to wait until April to see this!

jenks
January 10th, 2007, 01:06 PM
I thought it was a ****ing great ep. I enjoyed everything 100% apart from the dragon and Ba'al getting pushed around so easily (He's a Goa'uld with superhuman strength after all).

ussrelativity
January 10th, 2007, 01:07 PM
I thought that the wait was killing me, but I apparently am way off! Any more caps?

rnwhocares
January 10th, 2007, 01:32 PM
Well I have loved all of season 10 so far and from most accounts this is one hell of an episode! I can't wait to see it and plan to tommorow. Great screen caps everybodey and I can't wait to see it. Season 10 just getes better and better. DAMN YOU SCIFI FOR CANCELLING IT!:mckay:
I'm assuming you live in the states. How are you seeing it tomorrow?

iheartvala
January 10th, 2007, 01:36 PM
Wow what an amazing episode for Vala, and Cam, and Sam for that matter. I am simply in love.

Oh and I was reading over the spoilers for Bounty and now I think line "Daniel, meanwhile, is working diligently at the Museum of Antiquities." if complete crap just thrown in there to keep us off balance, but now it makes sense that he's not there after what happened in this episode.

Trialia
January 10th, 2007, 02:06 PM
RN - we're not supposed to talk about alternative methods of getting to view the episodes here. It's against forum rules, and it's one of the rules that's pretty heavily kept, so I'd advise against asking publicly again if I were you. But good luck in finding some way to see it.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
January 10th, 2007, 02:09 PM
<mod snip>

mancslad08
January 10th, 2007, 02:10 PM
Firstly, my Avatar does not reflect my opinion on every single matter, I simple like the humour of the character and don't think you should start attacks against him here as this is not an anti season 9 or 10 thread.

This is a discussion board for Stagate SG-1, good or bad. It doesn't have to be all happy, up beat, positive comments on this thread, negative ones are perfectly allowed.


You don't like season 9 and 10 fair do's but the manner in which you replied to paulanthony's post was stated as fact that there were hardly any good episodes, which is not true, it is simply your opinion. Also looking through this thread I notice you attack various people for their opinions, one example was one person saying they liked '200' best, it is just their opinion and I think you should leave them to it and not attack them for it.

Yes they are my opinions, message boards would be a pretty dull place if everyone had to type 'in my opinion' after every sentence.

And IN MY OPINION, Dr Lee is the most annoying, punchable character on Stargate, closely followed by McKay when he does his typical (getting boring now) whining, complaining and shouting in every episode. When the character is like he was in the episode with his sister, then he's fantastic. IN MY OPINION.

Skydiver
January 10th, 2007, 02:12 PM
again and again i make the post to all those that choose not to listen

DO NOT ASK FOR OR OFFER OR TRADE OR ADMIT TO DOWNLOADING STARGATE/ATLANTIS EPISODES ON THIS FORUM OR THROUGH ANY MESSAGING SYSTEM ATTACHED TO THIS FORUM

This rule is absolute and non-negotiable and i for one am sick and tired of having to keep repeating the same rule week after week after week because people will not listen.

golfbooy
January 10th, 2007, 02:13 PM
So I'm back. And by "back" I mean here to share my thoughts on the latest episode of Stargate SG-1. And by "thoughts" I mean hopes and dreams, satisfactions and disappointments. Also, I suppose "share" might be a bit of a misnomer. "Foist upon" or "subject all and sundry to" is probably a truer expression. Either way, I'm back. And there's no stopping me. There's no arguing with me. And there's no shutting me up. Or down, I suppose. And having said almost nothing already, I'd better start to say a bit more. And by "more" I mean....well, you get the idea.

I'll be forthright and admit that I'm a bit surprised by the ubiquitous, "OMG!! Best Episode EVAH!!!", response that The Quest II seems to be getting here. I'm a bit less surprised by that reaction elsewhere. Either way, I'm not quite so universally in love with this episode as most others appear to be. It was good, and certainly better than many SG-1 episodes from the last two seasons. But it's also nowhere near that Lost City/New Order or Jolinar's Memories/Devil You Know benchmark that the show has previously set for itself and its big plot episodes. That said, there was nothing heinously wrong with The Quest II. Something happend, and that has been a rarity for the show lately.

Sadly, The Quest II had to begin where The Quest I left off. That means our heroes have to first dispatch the shame on the SFX department that is Puff. I feel so bad for those poor, poor actors, out there all alone, emoting, running, reacting to nothing at all in the hope that the dragon cooked up by the SFX guys won't make them look bad. I think that the effects on SG-1 are usually good; at the very least they're usually seamlessly integrated. But Puff, along with the ridiculous beast creature from Uninvited, makes season ten the most disappointing outing I've seen from them. Fortunately for me, I don't give a rat's ass about the effects. Frankly, I wish that the episodes would stop relying so much on CGI and such. Puff the dragon can return to his home in Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights and trouble me (and SG-1) no more. I wouldn't exactly call the whole dragon ordeal a disappointment; rather it's more of the "need not have been included at all" reaction that I've been having to the general campiness the show's Arthurian undertones inspire within me.

That foul beast dispatched, The Quest II manages to find solid footing pretty quickly. SG-1's eventual discovery of Merlin was perhaps always a foregone conclusion to the Sangraal plotline, and maybe I should have been looking forward to it. But I wasn't. And, I'm glad it's over. It could have come off worse, though. They had the sense to lose the pointy hat, at least. I've never taken to the actor tapped to play Merlin/Moros/Myrddin, whatever. To me, he's always been Roham and he always will be. He just lacks the spark of wisdom requisite for the role. Besides he couldn't ever compete with half-naked, blind, and half-senile, as he was in Touchstone. That was classic. I'm not sure how I feel about the naming of knights, and I don't like that Teal'c was omitted. Surely TPTB could have gone with Palomides. But the whole thing too strongly echoes the preposterousness of Le Morte d'Arthur. Without Twain's Hank Morgan (Jack O'neill would be quite fitting for SG-1) to jibe at the inanity of it all I'm left just shaking my head at the "seriousness" with which the writers are handling it. You all know what's next for Daniel, right? Interdict!

Conversely, I very much appreciated Daniel's past ascension, Oma Desala, and the Others finally being recognized as inherent to this storyline. The "Merlin builds the Sangraal" bit was well illustrated with all the bells and whistles that make a longtime fan happy. The headsucker device makes a logical appearance, though with less gravitas than when Jack goes Ancient, and the tie-ins to Jack similarly synthesizing the Replicator gun, the powers we've previously seen in advanced humans, and the Ascended Ancients' affinity for weather control all help to make this story feel like an SG-1 episode. So well done there.

The B-storyline works for similar reasons. Steeped in SG-1 mythology and previously seen episodes, Carter's work to dial out, Ba'al's aid with the dialing device, and the obelisk all serve to avoid The Quest II having that pulled-out-of-nowhere storyline that Atlantis usually features. The Stargate finally makes a grand reappearance, and to great effect. One of the best parts of the episode, for me, was the establishing shots of the different worlds the team was being transported to. I appreciate the attempt to imply a sense of movement in what was otherwise a very static episode. Also, the varied evironments and looks to the different worlds helped to give the episode a bit of texture. I'll take cleverly dressed soundstages and exterior shooting to the inside of spaceships any day.

The wrap up of the episode was quick, but worked. Daniel's showdown with Adria was a bit too out there for my blood, but I still revel in SG-1 acting like a military unit and actually shooting bad guys. I know, it's simplistic and not so creative, but it works every single time. Here, take an example. How many thought it was cool when SG-1 really laid into Puff with their P-90's? Yeah, me neither. Now, how many of you thought it was a blast when Sam and Teal'c started taking out Ori soldiers as they came through the gate? Exactly, me too. Just for the record, though, Teal'c should lose the P-90 and pick up that staff weapon of his.

As far as characterization goes, The Quest II was handled pretty well. At the very least, it was safe--which is always better to see out of Joe Mallozzi than innovative or daring. There were no real losers, with the notable exception of Adria. She's got all the menace of a Fraggle without radishes. And maybe Morena Baccarin was good on Firefly, but she's bad on Stargate. Sure, she's saddled with all that space baby taint, but I've seen seen lumber bend more than Adria. Hopefully there's better stuff to come.

This was a good episode for Cameron, unless you don't like seeing him pushed behind Daniel in the lead character category. Certainly the scene with Vala in the cave (another cave! cripes, enough caves) is among his best to date in the show. And there is clearly a level of comfort for Ben Browder when working with Claudia Black that is missing from his interactions with all the other actors. I wish that Mitchell's (and Browder's) scenes with Carter, Daniel, and Teal'c were less forced than they almost always are. Still, Mitchell preparing to charge Puff before being stopped by Teal'c played well, and was a nice nod from the writers to Mitchell's alter ego, Cambo. Mitchell didn't have much to contribute in this episode, but that was more than made up for by his terrific conversation with Vala. I wish Cameron's dialogue was more of that variety, less of the "quitter talk" ilk. And perhaps it's time for Mitchell to not be so stiff; there is a happy medium between frat boy and uber-grim.

Out of all the characters, I think that Vala got screwed over the most here. There was absolutely nothing made out of the conflict between her and Adria, and there was no indication of any internal conflict she may be having when it comes to dealing with her daughter leading the Ori. It's too neat and clean. Also, Vala seems to have been reduced to nothing more than the weeping, distraught woman, tearfully clinging to her one and only love. The writers seem to have nowhere else for Vala to go, and they seem to have lost the subtlety with which they used to deal with romantic feelings. Yes, Vala loves Daniel. And now it's out there on display at every single opportunity. If Sam's or Jack's characters had ever been so singularly pigeonholed, I would have given up on the show long ago. Here's hoping that the writers display a little creativity with Vala in some upcoming episodes. It would be a shame if when all was said and done, she wound up being nothing more than Daniel's girl.

And that leads into Daniel. He was certainly front and center in this one. I've said before that Michael Shanks does very well when he knows it's his turn to carry the story, and I think he did well here, too. Daniel's long and winding journey among the different avenues of ascension always makes good fodder for both the writers and the character. His value as a link between the upper and lower plains of existence is what is facilitating the entire Ori arc, and here, imbued with Merlin's knowledge, Shanks' Daniel is again used to justify the fantastic elements of the Arthurian plotline. As said previously, I liked the lightening bit, didn't like the Jedi-like energy fight, and thought Michael Shanks was stuck in a bad place when acting opposite Morena Baccarin. I'm looking forward to his return.

Chris Judge was again underused. He's great, always making the most of his scant inclusion, but really it is well past the time for him to have a strong story. Falling back on Teal'c's dry wit as a crutch for his shabby treatment may make the writer's feel better, but I'm still awfully pissed about it. More Teal'c! Now, damn it!

Finally, that leaves Sam. Left to while away her time along with Teal'c and Ba'al in the B-story, a glimpse of Sam's erstwhile spunk brought a smile to my (and no doubt many others') face. Her interactions with Ba'al had the right mix of humor and seriousness, and made a nice contrast to the somewhat maudlin handling of Daniel's deteriorating condition. Also, she totally owns that P-90. I'm still waiting for an episode that truly highlights Sam, but didn't find this one a poor use of her character. Things would be so much more equitable if it was a four man team...

It suddenly occurs to me that I've not yet touched on Ba'al. Bad, unconscionable form at killing yet another version of this now shadow of his former self. Is that really all the writers can think to do with him? After The Quest I I asked why he was even in the story at all. Well, I now know, but that doesn't make it any better. Near as I can tell, Ba'al is here to help pick up the slack in the villain department left over from Adria. She can't be antagonisitic enough, so Ba'al is there to at least make our heroes somewhat uncomfortable. Still, Cliff Simon can do much better if he's given better material.

Overall, The Quest II was better than I hoped for, but not as good as SG-1 can be. Hopefully the rest of the season does more than give fans an ungodly amount of Daniel and Vala being joined at the hip, while possibly allowing some of the other characters to play and take part in the story once in a while. And, if I'm lucky, we're pretty much done with all the Arthur-based episodes.

Lord knows what's coming up next week. Hopefully, it's Line in the Sand. But it'll probably be Bounty. I think "Yikes!" pretty much sums that one up.

rnwhocares
January 10th, 2007, 02:14 PM
RN - we're not supposed to talk about alternative methods of getting to view the episodes here. It's against forum rules, and it's one of the rules that's pretty heavily kept, so I'd advise against asking publicly again if I were you. But good luck in finding some way to see it.
Thanks for the info. I had no idea.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
January 10th, 2007, 02:17 PM
does anyone have any screencaps of this episode?

mancslad08
January 10th, 2007, 02:17 PM
Try actually looking on this thread.

Pitry
January 10th, 2007, 02:31 PM
Wow. For once, Joe Mallozzi didn't only get the story right - he actually maanged to strike a chord with the emotional stuff. Rare.

Loved - much better than part 1. The dragon was dead lame... but the name calling was great. "Puff"! ha. ;) Still a shame no one has called him "Elliot" tho.
I lvoed the bits with Merlin. After a seaosn and a half of Merlin the Ancient, Merlin the Wise, MErlin the wizard, we got to see Merlin the human being. Loved the little touch about him having known Oma Desala... he came out really genuine, really human - which is somethign that often lacks with your random character - and I lvoed the interaction between him and Daniel. Didn't like the Super Daniel, tho, I'm glad Adrais' taken these powers away from him... Although the water bottle thingie was nice! Tao of Rodney spoilers
Ha! Can't help but to compare Daniel's attitude towards this to Rodney's. Weird as it sounsd, for once I think Rodney's was actually the healthier one...


Sam and Ba'al. Teehee! They were quite funny. Teal'c and Ba'al, as well. I ust love how much Teal'c hates Ba'al, and how he finds all these little ways of showing it - especially the "another reason to mourn his expire" bit...

I lvoed he conversation between Vala and Mitchell. "Congratulations, now you're really a aprt of the team" bit.... sniff. But true. Very true. And it's nice that they referred to it - rare, too. I really enjoyed seeing that part, both of Cameron's and of Vala's. At the end in Daniel's lab tho... iot seemed like Sam wanted to say something to Vala - I wodner fi it was cut off or she was silent originally in the script... hmpf.

Adria... yup, she's pretty weak, I guess. She ahd more ocf a presence than in part 1, and yet... something's missing. Hope for better in her futuer interactions with Daniel....
And I can't believe we're gonna have to wait a month to see that. Grr be unto them. And still I hope Sky 1 realise they got the episode roder wrong... iiik. Speaking of anticlimax if they end up airing Bounty - one day, Daniel's Adria's captive, the other he's back on Earth and all's well... *rolls eyes*


Oy, the time-dialting tricorder - sorry, joystick - sorry, whatever it was. I'm still waiting for a reasonable explanation on how come Carter has that device.

all in all, excellent!

mancslad08
January 10th, 2007, 02:32 PM
A good episode has all elements to it, Ba'al provided a lot of the humour for the episode imo and I loved seeing him being apart of the team but not part of the team if you get me.

The episode reason being they thought he had the password though I knew in part one he didn't really.

Ba'al and humour rarely go hand in hand for me. He was annoying and needs to be killed off asap.

Blower'sGate
January 10th, 2007, 02:36 PM
What a fantastic episode, one word : "almost perfect" cause you definitely can't reach perfection. When Vala had tears in her eyes I almost cried...*sigh*.

DANIEL DOn't WORRY; THEY're Gonna COME FOR you !! *is hoping*

Trialia
January 10th, 2007, 02:39 PM
Uh. "Almost perfect" is two words. But it was good.

DianaT17
January 10th, 2007, 02:40 PM
OH MY LOOOORD! I LOVED this episode!! I can't believe I will have to wait a week for the next episode!! But I guess I can't say anything that hasn't already been said. Loved the Vala/Cam scene.

About Ba'al. I like seeing him. They used him to be a constant threat in the race for the sangraal and of course he now had to be there, otherwise they'd have needed another episode to conclude that storyline. So him being there for the quest and adding some humour (I loved Merlin's spell) is all fine by me.

Farscapefan
January 10th, 2007, 02:50 PM
10/10 from me :) Abso-frellin-lutely fantastic episode. Love naming the dragon. Sam punching Ba'al in the face was just great and he deserved it. M&M duo did their homework right with Vala in this episode. Poor girl... and poor Daniel. Adria is evil. Even more than evil.

Somebody earlier in this thread said that Daniel can be King Arthur, but I've noticed that Merlin called him Galahad's name.

Oka
January 10th, 2007, 02:59 PM
Great episode. While I am not 100% satisfied with the story - it was sort of a semi-cliffhanger because we don't really know what's going to happen with Daniel, I am very happy how the characters were written. You could really tell how much the characters cared about each other - genuine emotion, and that's very rare in Stargate SG-1 or Atlantis. The episode worked because it was humorous and serious at the same time. The end also opens up possibilities for the remainder of the season. Only real downside of this episode was the dragon, it really looked lackluster and not menacing at all, also badly animated, not up to SG-1 standards that's for sure. 8.5/10

I can't believe this show is getting canceled. :( :( :( :(

The Engineer
January 10th, 2007, 03:02 PM
SUPERB!

ForeverSg1
January 10th, 2007, 03:03 PM
Lord knows what's coming up next week. Hopefully, it's Line in the Sand. But it'll probably be Bounty. I think "Yikes!" pretty much sums that one up.


Oddly enough, if you go up to IMDB, it shows these original airdates...

Season 10, Episode 11: The Quest: Part 2 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0799358/)
Original Air Date: 9 January 2007
Season 10, Episode 12: Line in the Sand (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0854940/)
Original Air Date: 16 January 2007
Season 10, Episode 13: The Road Not Taken (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0887239/)
Original Air Date: 23 January 2007
Season 10, Episode 14: The Shroud (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0812085/)
Original Air Date: 30 January 2007
Season 10, Episode 15: Bounty (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0812084/)
Original Air Date: 6 February 2007
Season 10, Episode 16: Bad Guys (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0892687/)
Original Air Date: 13 February 2007


Obviously the airdates aren't for Sci-Fi since they have chosen to push their air dates back until April, so I was assuming it was Sky. However if that's the case, then Bounty is being shown way out of order. The above list just seems much more in line with the show's storyline to me. I suppose we'll find out next week if Bounty was a goof or not; however, I'm not sure I want to watch it just in case it spoils the following episodes.

Detox
January 10th, 2007, 03:10 PM
Wow, this episode was incredible. Looks like SG-1 is going all out for their last 10 episodes.

I can't believe they actually showed Merlin. That itself was well worth a 10/10.

Pitry
January 10th, 2007, 03:28 PM
Oddly enough, if you go up to IMDB, it shows these original airdates...

Season 10, Episode 11: The Quest: Part 2 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0799358/)
Original Air Date: 9 January 2007
Season 10, Episode 12: Line in the Sand (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0854940/)
Original Air Date: 16 January 2007
Season 10, Episode 13: The Road Not Taken (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0887239/)
Original Air Date: 23 January 2007
Season 10, Episode 14: The Shroud (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0812085/)
Original Air Date: 30 January 2007
Season 10, Episode 15: Bounty (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0812084/)
Original Air Date: 6 February 2007
Season 10, Episode 16: Bad Guys (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0892687/)
Original Air Date: 13 February 2007


Obviously the airdates aren't for Sci-Fi since they have chosen to push their air dates back until April, so I was assuming it was Sky. However if that's the case, then Bounty is being shown way out of order. The above list just seems much more in line with the show's storyline to me. I suppose we'll find out next week if Bounty was a goof or not; however, I'm not sure I want to watch it just in case it spoils the following episodes.


IMDB are fna based just liek the rest of the internet - whoever updated that part must have realised what theorder of the episodes should be like, rather than what is actually said.
If Sky 1 end up airing Bounty, as their scheduale says they are, it's going to be a problem, ebcause it'll compeltely throw out of sync the episdoe, confuse everyone and spoil the three episodes that are supposed to come before it.

paulanthony
January 10th, 2007, 03:28 PM
I sit just me or did :
Merlin (inside Daniel's mind) seem to have rather too much affection for Vala? I wonder happened between her and Merlin in the past...
or maybe I was just reading too much into it, but I also paused for thought when Daniel:
under Merlin's Mind influence, said "I had the strangest dream; everything was covered in ice...." then he comes round to normal Daniel again
Do you think he was just referring to:
being in stasis for 1000 years or could he of perhaps been referring to the Atlantis outpost in Antartica?
again I was probably just reading too much into it, but I would like to think that they are dropping tiny little hints to us of what is going to follow in later episodeds/movies

Keffler
January 10th, 2007, 03:29 PM
WOW! I liked it a lot. Wasnt very happy when it ended though, was ready to sit there all night but alas no.

What happened to the half complete weapon? Is Adria gonna force Daniel to complete it with the buried knowledge and then use it to wipe out the ancients, who knows?

jenks
January 10th, 2007, 03:32 PM
I sit just me or did :
Merlin (inside Daniel's mind) seem to have rather too much affection for Vala? I wonder happened between her and Merlin in the past...


I think he thought she was someone else.

DelTrax1
January 10th, 2007, 03:37 PM
I find it really stupid of Sci-fi to drop the show not knowing how the second half of the season is going to do....as it stands right now...It's looking pretty frickin amazing. And I think they will see that the numbers are there. Idiots....I tell you idiots....ahahha

jenks
January 10th, 2007, 03:39 PM
Doesn't anyone think it's a bit stupid the way Carter put Ba'al on his arse?

mancslad08
January 10th, 2007, 05:08 PM
I think Ba'al is stupid, does that count?

Carter's been wussy for the last few years so it's good that she finally grew her balls back.

Margaret
January 10th, 2007, 05:24 PM
I sit just me or did :
Merlin (inside Daniel's mind) seem to have rather too much affection for Vala? I wonder happened between her and Merlin in the past...

My first thought was that Merlin was seeing Vala through Daniel's eyes, influenced by Daniel's memories.

But it's possible he mistook her for someone he used to know, like he thought Mitchell was Percival.

Cyoor
January 10th, 2007, 05:28 PM
Some intresting stuff:

"Adria: Dr. Jackson.
Daniel: You are to late.
Adria: You havnt completed the weapon, I'd say I'm Just in time
Daniel: And I'd say things are diffrent now
*Daniel kills the soldiers to save his friends*
Adria: Draining isn't it? Instead of helping your friends your should have saved your strength to deal with me
Daniel: Would It have made a diffrence?
Adria: Probably not"

1. Why did Daniel said "You are to late" when even Adria that just came there could see that the weapon wasnt completed yet.

2. Why did Daniel replied "Things are diffrent now", when it he obviously didn't mean that he was going to fight her. So what is is diffrent? I mean if he is weak and Adria just killed him right there, it wouldnt matter what he knew. Have he set something in motion? Have something happend affecting more then him?

3. Adria obviously threw Daniel out of the cave quite hard, and after that she tried to kill him directing an energy blast directly towards him (not knowing he would be strong anough defending himself). So what made her change her mind about killing him and why? Shouldnt she have killed him right away and by doing that get rid of the only thing in thing in the universe that could kill the Ori. What use could she have for him that could be more important than that?

jenks
January 10th, 2007, 05:35 PM
I think Ba'al is stupid, does that count?

Carter's been wussy for the last few years so it's good that she finally grew her balls back.

Does that count for what?

Agent_Dark
January 10th, 2007, 06:11 PM
Doesn't anyone think it's a bit stupid the way Carter put Ba'al on his arse?

Neg, fist to face = owned.

mancslad08
January 10th, 2007, 07:14 PM
Does that count for what?

?? erm... you said "Doesn't anyone think it's a bit stupid the way Carter put Ba'al on his arse?" - I replied, I think Ba'al's stupid, does that count?

As in... is that a suitable follow-up comment? Surely that's not just British phrasing??

Michelle05
January 10th, 2007, 08:26 PM
Yep, that was a great, great episode. Wow. Tight, well developed plot and wonderful characterizations and interactions all around. Such concern for Daniel like we never saw in Reckoning/Threads! I guess it took new team members and a new dynamic for SG-1 to consider a friend being kidnapped by a very evil woman to be a bad thing, not a reason to hold a bar-be-cue. Hmm, I guess I'm still wounded by Threads :)

I'm so grateful Daniel's ascension was finally mentioned and that Merlin was impressed. Very cool.

At the Burbank con Michael mentioned that Adria really kicked his butt in this episode. I wonder if some of the fight scene was edited out. I love super-powers that make the hero lose his energy. A great h/c scenario there :)

Now, one thing that's been speculated about a lot for an upcoming ep... Joe M said a person cannot become a Prior against his will. Yet since Daniel already saved his friends, it's hard to see how he will ever say yes to becoming one. What could be his motivation?

geewillie86
January 10th, 2007, 08:33 PM
With an episode of this caliber, how could they cancel Sg-1?

It wasn't predictable in any way. Usually I can predict the ending, but I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

Favorite part: Carter's punch.

One lingering question:

What happened to the partly-constructed sangraal???

Mitchell82
January 10th, 2007, 10:20 PM
10/10 from me :) Abso-frellin-lutely fantastic episode. Love naming the dragon. Sam punching Ba'al in the face was just great and he deserved it. M&M duo did their homework right with Vala in this episode. Poor girl... and poor Daniel. Adria is evil. Even more than evil.

Somebody earlier in this thread said that Daniel can be King Arthur, but I've noticed that Merlin called him Galahad's name.

Agreee. This was a fantastic episode. Now I really can't wait to see shroud!

teal'c2006
January 10th, 2007, 10:21 PM
Great episode, I loved it.. Going to go see it again........ and again.......

Mitchell82
January 10th, 2007, 10:23 PM
I've noticed alot of people who are loving this episode have not liked the rest of seasons 9 and 10. That makes no sense IMO as the past two years have been leading up to this. I think this whole season has been great and this eep alone proves that the show needs to continue.

Madeleine
January 10th, 2007, 10:47 PM
I've spent the past twenty minutes on a dodgy Dial-Up connection snipping spoilers here, tagging them there... no more.

I'm really REALLY annoyed at the thoughtless people who've spoiled me for an upcoming episode that would really have been a shock if I'd seen it unspoiled. I know I'm not alone. From now on I'll be deleting any posts with untagged and unwarned spoilers for future eps. It's a much quicker process :p.

Starxgate
January 10th, 2007, 10:47 PM
Am I the only one that noticed that Daniel said his first indeed after 10 years of knowing Teal'C

Anjirika
January 10th, 2007, 11:18 PM
Am I the only one that noticed that Daniel said his first indeed after 10 years of knowing Teal'C

No, I noticed that too...but Daniel wasn't really himself now, was he.

In relation to the actual episode. I loved it. I loved the plot, the twists and most of all I loved all the Daniel and Vala interactions. The way she was mourning him when she could see that she was losing him and the conversations between her and Cam...well, those were breathtaking. I applaude the powers that be and curse SCIFI for cancelling such an amazing show!

Mitchell82
January 10th, 2007, 11:27 PM
No, I noticed that too...but Daniel wasn't really himself now, was he.

In relation to the actual episode. I loved it. I loved the plot, the twists and most of all I loved all the Daniel and Vala interactions. The way she was mourning him when she could see that she was losing him and the conversations between her and Cam...well, those were breathtaking. I applaude the powers that be and curse SCIFI for cancelling such an amazing show!

As did I and also I too loved Vala's performance. I have loved her since Avalon and she has really become my second fav character. Sam is my first.

Tracy Jane
January 10th, 2007, 11:31 PM
I found the naming of the other team members very interesting indeed....

Daniel: Galahad
Galahad was the most worthy and pure of the knights. This is reflected in Myrrdin's choice to use Daniel for the download, and Adria's conviction that he is the one worthy of finding the Sangraal.

Cameron: Percival
Percival was often known as the fool. Enough said.

Ba'al: Mordred
As someone has said, Mordred is the evil illegitimate son of Arthur. Many say he is the son of Morgan Le Fay.

Sam: Guinevere
In later versions of the tale, Mordred abducts Guinevere. Is this a possible hint to a future episode? Or is it perhaps a reference back to when Ba'al took Sam as hostage?

I find it very interesting, the different namings and how relevant they are to the characters. Half of me thinks that yes, it was crazy talk, but given the subtlety of the references... if it was just crazy, then why not use Arthur, Lancelot and Guinevere? Why use Percival the Fool and Gallahad the Worthy? It seems deeper than that, and I sincerely hope this is used for some good storytelling.

Overall, I found the episode excellent, both as a stand alone and as a two parter. The team emphasis and the way that each and every member played a valuable part over the course of the two episodes was reminiscent of earlier seasons. I felt a very "traditional" SG1 feel to this show and enjoyed the references to Jack, proof that the show doesn't forget it's history and showing a little continuity.

Mitchell82
January 11th, 2007, 12:26 AM
I found the naming of the other team members very interesting indeed....

Daniel: Galahad
Galahad was the most worthy and pure of the knights. This is reflected in Myrrdin's choice to use Daniel for the download, and Adria's conviction that he is the one worthy of finding the Sangraal.

Cameron: Percival
Percival was often known as the fool. Enough said.

Ba'al: Mordred
As someone has said, Mordred is the evil illegitimate son of Arthur. Many say he is the son of Morgan Le Fay.

Sam: Guinevere
In later versions of the tale, Mordred abducts Guinevere. Is this a possible hint to a future episode? Or is it perhaps a reference back to when Ba'al took Sam as hostage?

I find it very interesting, the different namings and how relevant they are to the characters. Half of me thinks that yes, it was crazy talk, but given the subtlety of the references... if it was just crazy, then why not use Arthur, Lancelot and Guinevere? Why use Percival the Fool and Gallahad the Worthy? It seems deeper than that, and I sincerely hope this is used for some good storytelling.

Overall, I found the episode excellent, both as a stand alone and as a two parter. The team emphasis and the way that each and every member played a valuable part over the course of the two episodes was reminiscent of earlier seasons. I felt a very "traditional" SG1 feel to this show and enjoyed the references to Jack, proof that the show doesn't forget it's history and showing a little continuity.
I agree 1000%.

the fifth man
January 11th, 2007, 01:07 AM
Man, I can't wait to see this ep. It seems an overwhelming number of you really liked it. And since I've loved Season 10 up until this point, I should love it.

spaceangel
January 11th, 2007, 01:41 AM
I've spent the past twenty minutes on a dodgy Dial-Up connection snipping spoilers here, tagging them there... no more.

I'm really REALLY annoyed at the thoughtless people who've spoiled me for an upcoming episode that would really have been a shock if I'd seen it unspoiled. I know I'm not alone. From now on I'll be deleting any posts with untagged and unwarned spoilers for future eps. It's a much quicker process :p.
Sorry for asking, but are you referring to this thread or others too? Cos surely people on this thread don't need spoilers?

HyperCaz
January 11th, 2007, 01:58 AM
I really liked this episode :D D/V-ness always makes me happy. I just gotta say, that dragon must really like its spicy meatballs... :beckettanime04:

I was getting Yoda/Dooku flashbacks at the end there between Daniel and Adria.

Trialia
January 11th, 2007, 04:28 AM
Sorry for asking, but are you referring to this thread or others too? Cos surely people on this thread don't need spoilers?
Oh yes, they do! I've myself been spoiled for Bounty and Shroud because of discussion in this thread. Quest II spoilers don't need to be tagged, but all else past that, YES! >_<

mancslad08
January 11th, 2007, 04:34 AM
I've noticed alot of people who are loving this episode have not liked the rest of seasons 9 and 10. That makes no sense IMO as the past two years have been leading up to this. I think this whole season has been great and this eep alone proves that the show needs to continue.

Oh please, the show has been dying a slow death for the past two years. It's no wonder it was cancelled. Thanks a lot TPTB for squeezing every last piece of dignity from this once awesome show.

I loved The Quest part 2 because it actually felt like old Stargate. Nice team dynamic, them using the Stargate for once as opposed to last second beam outs, interesting, full of myth etc...

Seasons 9 and 10 (with the exception of the Orii storylines) have just been one big mess of uninteresting stories, cheap writing and dull revelations.

swallowcliff
January 11th, 2007, 05:46 AM
I've only seen screen-caps of Quest 2, so my perspective isn't the best. The rooms in the cave though, with that table-thing where the weapon was being made and the head sucker thing- is it just me or did they use that set to film the Furling scenes for 200? I think Carter and Daniel were in the cave around that table thing along with the 'Furling'. Right before they beam out and the planet blows up, I think? I don't have a copy of 200 to look at to confirm it, but it's driving me mad! Does anyone else know if it's the same set?

mi4si
January 11th, 2007, 06:04 AM
saw the episode last night and thought it was pretty good.

Gwin
January 11th, 2007, 06:27 AM
Cameron: Percival
Percival was often known as the fool. Enough said.
I don't like how you picked out this one, because neither Percival nor Cameron are known as that (and since Percival was always my favourite knight I would have known that). His quest for healing the Fisher King where he did things wrong, made mistakes, was the way finding out who he truely was, growing with every new quest, definitley not showing him as a fool.
Anyone saying Cameron is mainly a fool, well, then everyone of SG-1 is mainly a fool, because everyone did something stupid, made mistakes, had to learn.
But it's not their main characterisation, its not for what they are knwon for, never will be. Because that is so, so, so, so stupid and onesided, sorry to say that so clearly.

But they have some parallels (which must be the ones the writers thought of). Percival (after he knew about Artus and the Knights of the Round Table) wanted to be part of this and always admired the knights for what they did. And he was one of the most loyal knights, if not the most loyal of them all, because he had to fight harder then all the others to be a knight and was willing to risk everything to give back the trust Artus had shown to him.
Not to forget that he was together with Galahad and Bors the only one completing the quest of the Holy Grail.

Margaret
January 11th, 2007, 06:51 AM
Some intresting stuff:

"Adria: Dr. Jackson.
Daniel: You are to late.
Adria: You havnt completed the weapon, I'd say I'm Just in time
Daniel: And I'd say things are diffrent now
*Daniel kills the soldiers to save his friends*
Adria: Draining isn't it? Instead of helping your friends your should have saved your strength to deal with me
Daniel: Would It have made a diffrence?
Adria: Probably not"

1. Why did Daniel said "You are to late" when even Adria that just came there could see that the weapon wasnt completed yet.

2. Why did Daniel replied "Things are diffrent now", when it he obviously didn't mean that he was going to fight her. So what is is diffrent? I mean if he is weak and Adria just killed him right there, it wouldnt matter what he knew. Have he set something in motion? Have something happend affecting more then him?

3. Adria obviously threw Daniel out of the cave quite hard, and after that she tried to kill him directing an energy blast directly towards him (not knowing he would be strong anough defending himself). So what made her change her mind about killing him and why? Shouldnt she have killed him right away and by doing that get rid of the only thing in thing in the universe that could kill the Ori. What use could she have for him that could be more important than that?

Those are interesting questions!

First, we'd need to know if Adria was addressing Daniel or Merlin. But since she said, "Your friends," she must be addressing Daniel.

So what's "different now"?

Daniel has Merlin's memories. He has the knowledge of how to build the sangraal, he has the powers of the Ancients and he has the knowledge to ascend.

Finally, we have to ask if Adria ever had any intention of killing Daniel, or if she just wanted to knock the stuffing out of him to break his resistance or to shake Merlin loose. After all, in Quest 1 she told Daniel "We have plans for you."

So what I want to know is 'Does Daniel still have Merlin's memories, or not?' In Fifth Race, the Asgard had to remove the Ancient knowledge from Jack's mind. No one has removed anything from Daniel's mind, have they? So they must still be there, right? Did Merlin submerge himself in Daniel's unconscious, as Daniel did in Lifeboat?

I notice that when Daniel told Adria the memories were gone, Adria declined to take his word for it. :D

RealmOfX
January 11th, 2007, 07:18 AM
I don't like how you picked out this one, because neither Percival nor Cameron are known as that (and since Percival was always my favourite knight I would have known that).

Well it would seem that your knowledge differs from mine & TJ's. The way I remember it (from limited exposure to some of the legends), Percival was known as a fool in the beginning. Also remember that there is no definitive answer for anything concerning the myths of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round table as it is a compilation of many stories by many people and crossing several cultures. Perhaps a search on Google using variations of Percival and fool will point you in the direction of expanding your knowledge. :) I have a vague recollection of works from de Troyes or Eschenbach, you might try starting there.

As for what Cameron is known as, well that differs according to who you talk with, just like any other character. I personally have distinctly different opinions of the officer Lt Col Mitchell and the man Cameron Mitchell.

It's been interesting reading the various opinions about the ep around the forum, hopefully when I see it (maybe on the weekend) it will raise my opinion of the weak first part. Also, like TJ, I sincerely hope there is something behind naming some of the team as characters from the myths and it is used for some good future storytelling.

mancslad08
January 11th, 2007, 07:43 AM
I don't like how you picked out this one, because neither Percival nor Cameron are known as that (and since Percival was always my favourite knight I would have known that). His quest for healing the Fisher King where he did things wrong, made mistakes, was the way finding out who he truely was, growing with every new quest, definitley not showing him as a fool.
Anyone saying Cameron is mainly a fool, well, then everyone of SG-1 is mainly a fool, because everyone did something stupid, made mistakes, had to learn.
But it's not their main characterisation, its not for what they are knwon for, never will be. Because that is so, so, so, so stupid and onesided, sorry to say that so clearly.

But they have some parallels (which must be the ones the writers thought of). Percival (after he knew about Artus and the Knights of the Round Table) wanted to be part of this and always admired the knights for what they did. And he was one of the most loyal knights, if not the most loyal of them all, because he had to fight harder then all the others to be a knight and was willing to risk everything to give back the trust Artus had shown to him.
Not to forget that he was together with Galahad and Bors the only one completing the quest of the Holy Grail.

No Mitchell is just a fool. Plain and simple.

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 11th, 2007, 07:52 AM
For those who haven't already, you can vote on how good you thought it was here;

http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s10/1011.shtml

geewillie86
January 11th, 2007, 08:21 AM
Cameron: Percival
Percival was often known as the fool. Enough said.

I don't know about being a fool or not, but I thought this was interesting

I found this on wikipedia (place full trust in it at your own peril)

After the death of his father, Percival's mother takes him to the Welsh forests where she raises him ignorant to the ways of men until the age of 15. Eventually, however, a group of knights passes through his wood, and Percival is stricken with their heroic appearance. Wanting to be a knight himself, the boy travels to King Arthur's court, and after proving his worthiness as a warrior he is knighted and invited to join the Knights of the Round Table.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percival)

I don't know about being ignorant to the ways of men, but Cameron seems to fit the stricken with the heroic appearence aspect of the character insofar as he was determined to join the "legendary" Sg-1.

Zelda
January 11th, 2007, 08:22 AM
I don't like how you picked out this one, because neither Percival nor Cameron are known as that (and since Percival was always my favourite knight I would have known that). His quest for healing the Fisher King where he did things wrong, made mistakes, was the way finding out who he truely was, growing with every new quest, definitley not showing him as a fool.
Anyone saying Cameron is mainly a fool, well, then everyone of SG-1 is mainly a fool, because everyone did something stupid, made mistakes, had to learn.
But it's not their main characterisation, its not for what they are knwon for, never will be. Because that is so, so, so, so stupid and onesided, sorry to say that so clearly.

But they have some parallels (which must be the ones the writers thought of). Percival (after he knew about Artus and the Knights of the Round Table) wanted to be part of this and always admired the knights for what they did. And he was one of the most loyal knights, if not the most loyal of them all, because he had to fight harder then all the others to be a knight and was willing to risk everything to give back the trust Artus had shown to him.
Not to forget that he was together with Galahad and Bors the only one completing the quest of the Holy Grail.

Very well said. :zelenka25: :jack_new_anime07:

Tracy Jane I found the naming of the other team members very interesting indeed....

Sam: Guinevere
In later versions of the tale, Mordred abducts Guinevere. Is this a possible hint to a future episode? Or is it perhaps a reference back to when Ba'al took Sam as hostage?


Guinevere was married to Arthur but betrayed him and committed adultery with Arthur's most loved and trusted knight Lancelot -- that betrayal nearly destroyed the kingdom. Guinevere ended up in a nunnery for her sin and guilt.

Kudos to the director of this episode -- finally someone who knows how to give the story elements a faster pace/rhythm and interesting visuals. Kudos also for having the skill to reduce the necessary expositionary elements in scenes to digestible clips and breaking up what would have been a dark, boring cave setting with the gate transports to other worlds -- just breaking the monotony while keeping the flow of the episode. Very effective. Also, very good camera work.

Although this continues the Daniel/Ancient, Vala/Ori story arc, all the team members and the support players had enough meaningful interconnected input to contribute to the episode.

I like Cameron in charge while at the same time trusting and accepting his teammates input when appropriate to the situation. The joint team effort to blow up the dragon worked very well. And, for once Cameron is positioned in the center forefront in the team screen shots -- where that character should have been placed beginning in Season 9. IMO.

I'm a Cameron fan and I liked how that character was portrayed in this episode. Especially the dramatic scenes with Vala.

Cyoor
January 11th, 2007, 08:26 AM
So what's "different now"?

Daniel has Merlin's memories. He has the knowledge of how to build the sangraal, he has the powers of the Ancients and he has the knowledge to ascend.


Yes, but what would be diffrent if she would have killed him? Both she and he came to the conclution that she would probably have been able to do that, since he didnt even bother to save his strength to defend himself, but rather helped his friends. The memories from Merlin of how to build the sangraal would be lost if he died right?

Maybe preserved if he ascended, but as we all know if he ascended he wouldnt be able to use the knowlidge to interfear with the world.

SGFerrit
January 11th, 2007, 08:31 AM
Correction. 2 episodes of Season 10 and pretty much none of season 9 are good. At least this is the last season, this episode gives me hope that the series MAY actually go out on a high note after the rubbish of the last 2 or 3 seasons.

Correction. YOU think that.

There are MANY that enjoyed season 9, and seemingly even more that love season 10.

SGFerrit
January 11th, 2007, 08:56 AM
[mod snip]

God, now that is just insulting.


I and many others don't share it...

And I and many others do


...and think that SG-1 after season 6 has been pretty much garbage for the most part.

Again, there also many who disagree with you.

SGFerrit
January 11th, 2007, 09:40 AM
For those who ahven't already, you can vote on how good you thought it was here;

http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s10/1011.shtml

Thanks:)

Callista
January 11th, 2007, 09:51 AM
So, if Daniel is Galahad and Mitchell is Percival, do you think Teal'c is Bors?

From Wikipedia:

Bors is recognizable by a distinctive scar on his forehead.....
Bors is always portrayed as one of the Round Table's finest, but his real glory comes on the Grail Quest, where he proves himself worthy enough to witness the Grail's mysteries alongside Galahad and Percival

I've gotta go read up on Guinevere. All I know about her is from "Excalibur".

Mitchell82
January 11th, 2007, 10:27 AM
Oh please, the show has been dying a slow death for the past two years. It's no wonder it was cancelled. Thanks a lot TPTB for squeezing every last piece of dignity from this once awesome show.

I loved The Quest part 2 because it actually felt like old Stargate. Nice team dynamic, them using the Stargate for once as opposed to last second beam outs, interesting, full of myth etc...

Seasons 9 and 10 (with the exception of the Orii storylines) have just been one big mess of uninteresting stories, cheap writing and dull revelations.

Well thats your opinion however I just don't share it.

Raj_2006
January 11th, 2007, 10:43 AM
im my opinion both season 9 and 10 are great and Quest 2 is great. :D

jenks
January 11th, 2007, 10:50 AM
What happened to Ba'al at the end, did Adria take him?

Raj_2006
January 11th, 2007, 10:57 AM
What happened to Ba'al at the end, did Adria take him?

may have final killed him, like she wanted to in quest part 1 but couldn't. :lol:

jenks
January 11th, 2007, 11:11 AM
It's strange that we didn't see or get a hint as to what happened to him, then again he was unconcious, maybe they all just left him...

Uber
January 11th, 2007, 11:12 AM
What happened to Ba'al at the end, did Adria take him?I saw no indication of him after he was stunned on the planet so he might have just been left behind, only to wake up hours later by himself next to the gate.

Stef
January 11th, 2007, 12:01 PM
A little late to the party here, but the dicussion of characters in relation to Arthurian myth is very interesting (I am a closet fanatic). Just curious, who do you think Vala would be in this whole scenario?

-Stef

IWKYZerocool
January 11th, 2007, 12:06 PM
Those are interesting questions!

First, we'd need to know if Adria was addressing Daniel or Merlin. But since she said, "Your friends," she must be addressing Daniel.

So what's "different now"?

Daniel has Merlin's memories. He has the knowledge of how to build the sangraal, he has the powers of the Ancients and he has the knowledge to ascend.

Finally, we have to ask if Adria ever had any intention of killing Daniel, or if she just wanted to knock the stuffing out of him to break his resistance or to shake Merlin loose. After all, in Quest 1 she told Daniel "We have plans for you."

So what I want to know is 'Does Daniel still have Merlin's memories, or not?' In Fifth Race, the Asgard had to remove the Ancient knowledge from Jack's mind. No one has removed anything from Daniel's mind, have they? So they must still be there, right? Did Merlin submerge himself in Daniel's unconscious, as Daniel did in Lifeboat?

I notice that when Daniel told Adria the memories were gone, Adria declined to take his word for it. :D

It was stated in the episode that the device did not download the entire knowledge only the memory of Merlin and had to advance Daniels brain abit to work on the device, but thats all.

sgeureka
January 11th, 2007, 12:23 PM
Could someone enlighten me why a "thunderstorm" came and killed all the Ori soldiers? It looked like Oma Desala's action in "Maternal Instinct", but I doubt that the Ancients stepped in here. Or did Daniel conjure it up with the Ancient repository thing?

And why did Adria have her powers back at the end of the ep? What exactly had prevented her from using them in Part 1? I thought it was the obelisk all the time, but that wouldn't make sense in Part 2.

:confused: :)

Daniel's shadow
January 11th, 2007, 12:39 PM
Could someone enlighten me why a "thunderstorm" came and killed all the Ori soldiers? It looked like Oma Desala's action in "Maternal Instinct", but I doubt that the Ancients stepped in here. Or did Daniel conjure it up with the Ancient repository thing?

And why did Adria have her powers back at the end of the ep? What exactly had prevented her from using them in Part 1? I thought it was the obelisk all the time, but that wouldn't make sense in Part 2.

:confused: :)

Yes, the thunderstorm was Daniel's doing. He did it to protect his friends

Adria was prevented from using her powers in part 1 was because of the safeguards that Morgan Le Fey has put in place.

:daniel:

Tracy Jane
January 11th, 2007, 12:50 PM
In terms of Arthurian legend, it's very hard to place Vala. The only way I managed to do it was by trying to link her back to other characters. Given the relationship with Daniel (known as Galahad Lancelot), there is a distinct possibility that she is one of the three Guinevieres of Arthurian legend.

However, I don't think that the writers would confuse things that much. I think it more likely that Adria is Giramphiel, a Goddess who wore a powerful stone. This stone created a shield that she used to protect the knights in the quest for the Grail. She, however, was an enemy of the Arthurian kingdom and, as such, was banished from the society.

Linked to this story is Armufina. She was another anti-Arthurian woman who didn't uphold the traditions and values of the society. The way she differs from Giramphiel, however, is in the fact that she was allowed to join the society again. This reflects Vala's story in that she was a thief and a criminal, yet has been allowed on SG1 and to integrate into Earth's culture.

But these are really tenuous links and very, very minor characters. I think I'm missing something big. I was going to call Vala the Lady of the Lake, but in many tellings, that role is accredited to Morgan le Fay. It also fits with the Stargate telling, in that it was Morgan who led them to the weapon and that she is hiding out on Atlantis (Symbolism of water).

Iambob
January 11th, 2007, 01:08 PM
I loved the firefight near the end, completley amazing to say the least. also loved the scenes with the dragon in them.

paulanthony
January 11th, 2007, 02:09 PM
Reasons why "Adria was too late" etc.etc

Before Merlin began re-building the Saangraal he shuts his eyes and puts his hands in a praying position...actually he did this earlier as well but for a longer length of time ...
I believe this may be more significant than we realize.
He could of been:

1. Just meditating.

2. Contacting rebel ancients that agreed with his cause, so that hey can
intervine.

3. Sending a sub-space signal to awaken Arthur from his hibernation so
that he can regroup with the Knights of the Round Table, and return to
Camelot to claim excalibur as was foretold in the prophesies.

4. Something else secret that we have yet to discover

mancslad08
January 11th, 2007, 02:30 PM
Correction. YOU think that.

There are MANY that enjoyed season 9, and seemingly even more that love season 10.

Perhaps, but there are also MANY who hate season 9 and even more who hate season 10.

I love how when people say "that was the best episode ever" it's fine but when I say "season 9 is the worst ever" people say that it's not fact and it's just my opinion.

Hypochondriac
January 11th, 2007, 02:39 PM
I'm I the only one who thought the Ancients got involved when the lightning struck? As soon as i saw Daniel all weak I realized it was him, but before that It liked the ancients decided to get off there butts and do something

Raj_2006
January 11th, 2007, 03:18 PM
Reasons why "Adria was too late" etc.etc

Before Merlin began re-building the Saangraal he shuts his eyes and puts his hands in a praying position...actually he did this earlier as well but for a longer length of time ...
I believe this may be more significant than we realize.
He could of been:

1. Just meditating.

2. Contacting rebel ancients that agreed with his cause, so that hey can
intervine.

3. Sending a sub-space signal to awaken Arthur from his hibernation so
that he can regroup with the Knights of the Round Table, and return to
Camelot to claim excalibur as was foretold in the prophesies.

4. Something else secret that we have yet to discover

I agree to what you have said about Merlin going into a praying position. I'm going to add a 5th to your list.

5. Merlin might of been reading daniel's mind like Rodney did, because he says to him the Oma might of seen something in daniel and Merlin wanted to see as well.

jenks
January 11th, 2007, 04:00 PM
Perhaps, but there are also MANY who hate season 9 and even more who hate season 10.



Oh I dunno about that, I get the impression more people hate season 9 than 10.

PG15
January 11th, 2007, 04:02 PM
Like with everyone else, I'll open this post with WOW!!!

That was on a truly cinematic scale, from changing (exotic) locations, to actual interractions with a non-a-hole Ancient, to the team moments, to a energy duel betweel Adria and Danny! This episode was freaking faaabulous! :D

The points:

Let's start with the characters; like pretty much everything else in the episode, they did not disappoint. Loved seeing Sam punch out Ba'al (I was waiting for something as soon as Ba'al mentioned "women" ;)), about damn time! Teal'c's lines although few, served their purposes. Of course, as shown by his scene at the beginning, the big guy doesn't need words to convey his feelings and intentions.

And how can I forget Danny, Vala, and Cam? Of course, this was the Danny show all the way, he excelled in that (more on this later). Cam and Vala, though, really brought to home the entire message of the series, such as sacrifice and friendship. Cam's line was one of the best of the series, and fits so many MANY situations of the past 10 years that I'm surprised someone else haven't said it by now. Vala was her awesome self, as usual, and for once I'm actually looking forward to a 'ship. Her connection to Danny now seems to have a lot more emotional depth, and I liked that a lot.

Finally. Danny; he was, as the Brits say, "ace" in this episode (do I have that right?). I loved LOVED his interractions with Merlin, and finally revealing all of our thoughts about how arrogant they really are. Loved his little confusions with Merlin's memory, as well as utter determination at finishing the weapon. As I mentioned earlier, his duel with Adria was something I was looking forward to since the Ori was introduced; I think this is only a taste of what's to come if the Ancients decide to intervene. Of course, his little lightning show, reminescent of Oma in Maternal Instinct, took me by surprise, but it was a great surprise. :D

Whew, now the minor points. Merlin; he is now my favorite Ancient. I loved how we got some more info about the backstory of the Medieval storyline of the past 2 seasons, not to mention his feelings towards Oma and the others. He also reminded me of Gandalf; specifically his "running out of time" speech (Gandalf: "I have lived 300 lives of men, and now I'm running out of time!" - The Two Towers), which probably elevated him in my eyes. It's too bad he's gone now...who knows maybe he ascended after we got transported away. ;)

And that ending! Hmm...I wonder where THAT's leading to...;)

Speaking of which...Adria was really hot in this episode. :D

Finally, I gotta talk about the cinematic-ness of the episode. Not only did we change locations constantly, but the sets were awesome IMHO! We didn't just get forest planet after forest planet; no, we got some variety. I especially loved the little call-back to Abydos with the desert planet. The Merlin-lab set also helped the whole atmosphere in the scenes spent within it; it espoused the sense of age and wonder. Awesome. :D

The only bad thing was the beginning; I gotta say, the dragon looked a little wonkey out in the light. They should've kept the battle underground, somehow. Still, this little bit does nothing to hinder my overall enjoyment with this episode, so I'm giving it...

Score: 10/10

Madeleine
January 11th, 2007, 04:15 PM
I found the naming of the other team members very interesting indeed....

Daniel: Galahad
Galahad was the most worthy and pure of the knights. This is reflected in Myrrdin's choice to use Daniel for the download, and Adria's conviction that he is the one worthy of finding the Sangraal.

Cameron: Percival
Percival was often known as the fool. Enough said.

Ba'al: Mordred
As someone has said, Mordred is the evil illegitimate son of Arthur. Many say he is the son of Morgan Le Fay.

Sam: Guinevere
In later versions of the tale, Mordred abducts Guinevere. Is this a possible hint to a future episode? Or is it perhaps a reference back to when Ba'al took Sam as hostage?

I find it very interesting, the different namings and how relevant they are to the characters. Half of me thinks that yes, it was crazy talk, but given the subtlety of the references... if it was just crazy, then why not use Arthur, Lancelot and Guinevere? Why use Percival the Fool and Gallahad the Worthy? It seems deeper than that, and I sincerely hope this is used for some good storytelling.

I hope so too. As a little detail of this episode, with nothing more than the parallels you point out above, it's already pretty good, but i think it would be lovely if there are future references or links to their apparent alter-egos :)

(sorry, wanted to green you, can't, might later if I remember :o)

jenks
January 11th, 2007, 04:30 PM
Merlin seems to of changed quite abit after his 'many lifetimes', he seemed alot different in this ep to how he was in Atlantis...

mancslad08
January 11th, 2007, 05:04 PM
Oh I dunno about that, I get the impression more people hate season 9 than 10.


That's true actually, 9 was pretty awful compared to 10.

Mitchell82
January 11th, 2007, 05:09 PM
Reasons why "Adria was too late" etc.etc

Before Merlin began re-building the Saangraal he shuts his eyes and puts his hands in a praying position...actually he did this earlier as well but for a longer length of time ...
I believe this may be more significant than we realize.
He could of been:

1. Just meditating.

2. Contacting rebel ancients that agreed with his cause, so that hey can
intervine.

3. Sending a sub-space signal to awaken Arthur from his hibernation so
that he can regroup with the Knights of the Round Table, and return to
Camelot to claim excalibur as was foretold in the prophesies.

4. Something else secret that we have yet to discover
Interseting points and all very possible. i am hoping we see Arthur before the end.

madaboutdanny
January 11th, 2007, 05:19 PM
may have final killed him, like she wanted to in quest part 1 but couldn't. :lol:
I don't think he's dead, because the arm-weapon of the ori soldier hit him just once and Vala, in Flesh and blood, told to Daniel that the weapon is like the zat, it must shoot many times before kills. Now, IMO, this is one of the best Sg1 ep. It's full of angst and sadness and love and humor too and I love the Cam/Vala scenes, and Daniel is at his best and Michael acting is amazing...I'm so sorry, because of my bad english I can't express my opinion better:(