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Mr Prophet
May 3rd, 2004, 08:37 AM
So, after some time spent talking about 'Nirrti's ha'tak vessel' or 'Anubis' mothership', I decided that I would start giving at least some of the ships in my fanfics names. It just seems to give the ships that little touch of individuality.

Of course, I realise that ha'taks are pretty mass produced, so I just wondered - especially following the recent 'names for X-303s' thread - if anyone else writing fanfic does the same? Do you give your Goa'uld - and other - spaceships names?

SailorSueUK
May 3rd, 2004, 12:17 PM
What like Jack wanting to name the Prometheus "Enterprise"? I can't honestly say I've tried to individualise any of my fic-ships that much. I have enough difficulty trying to work out the generic terms for ships such as "Ha'tak" without going that extra mile. Mind you, I can't distinuish between a Robin Reliant and a Jaguar unless they are different colours... maybe the fact so much fic is written by women means any attempt to include the techie aspects of StarGate will be marginalised?

Mr Prophet
May 3rd, 2004, 12:23 PM
It's not so much a techie thing as a sailor thing. Ships have to be named; it's unlucky not to. Certainly the Greek Goa'uld should name their vessels, since it's an even stronger part of their world than of modern naval custom. They'd never get their Jaffa - who are nothing if not superstitious - onto an unnamed ship, gods or no.

SailorSueUK
May 3rd, 2004, 12:30 PM
Oh.

Oh.

Y'know, now I'm really embarrassed, being a sailor and all! But in my defence, as the human spaceships are USAF-owned presumably we should be taking a plane analogy: we still refer to those as 'Boeing 737' or whatever even if they do have a name such as "Pride of Caledonia".

As for the gould, I have no idea. I can't think of an instance in the show when they've referred to them at all. Pride of Chulak sounds a bit daft! How about Aris Boch - did he call his ship anything other than the generic term?

ShadowMaat
May 3rd, 2004, 12:57 PM
If I ever wrote a fic involving a goa'uld vessel which included the viewpoint of the goa'uld or one of the jaffa/workers, I probably would name it, just because I'd expect it to be named and I like trying to come up with names to suit personalities. ;) To name something is to possess it, to say, "This is MINE." I can't imagine a goa'uld wasting an opportunity like that, especially if the name instills fear or pride. Or both. :)

SGSlugger
May 3rd, 2004, 01:00 PM
"Ba'al, we have just destroyed the 'Anubis Mothership'."

Personally I don't like the idea of the Goa'uld naming their ships. It adds a little to much human quality to them. Plus I think that it would be a hassle. They command such large fleets, and they are constantly fueding, and taking over new ships.
Do you really think Apophis sat down and renamed every one of Heur-ur's or Sokar's vessels when he took over?

SailorSueUK
May 3rd, 2004, 01:16 PM
Ah, now my sailor knowledge comes into its own!

It's bad luck to re-name a ship. So Apophis might well have commanded a ship called 'Death to Apophis' if we subscribe to the thread-theory.

Mr Prophet
May 3rd, 2004, 01:39 PM
Ah, now my sailor knowledge comes into its own!

It's bad luck to re-name a ship. So Apophis might well have commanded a ship called 'Death to Apophis' if we subscribe to the thread-theory.

What if you capture a ship? I know the C.S.S. Virginia was known colloquially as the Merrimac even though she was officially renamed. And presumably if the ship you captured hadn't yet been christened you could give it a name yourself.

Of course, Apophis might not have cared; the Egyptians had ships, but weren't a maritime culture. Now, the Phoenician (sp?) Goa'uld...

SGSlugger
May 3rd, 2004, 02:04 PM
Ah-hah! I got it:

They just saved the trouble and named them all "Kree!"

Mr Prophet
May 3rd, 2004, 02:07 PM
They just saved the trouble and named them all "Kree!"

Which brings up the real reason they should have names:

"First Prime; order the Kree to move forward with the Kree, the Kree and the Kree on the left flank. We shall follow in the Kree to provide support, while Underlord Bob moves around the enemy position with the Kree, the Kree, the Kree, the Kree, and the Kree to take them by surprise."
"Yes, My Lord."
"Oh, and First Prime?"
"My Lord?"
"Which Kree is us again?"

SailorSueUK
May 3rd, 2004, 02:39 PM
Now you get into interesting territory, and I seem to have accidentally mislaid my copy of 'History of the Navy'.

I did think from my Hornblower reading that long ago Navies didn't rename vessels, and a brief look at past names for Royal Naval ship reveals things such as HMS ABEILLE and HMS INFANTA DON CARLOS which don't sound very British.List of RN ship names (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Royal_Navy_ship_names) But over the last few centuries or so, it looks as though everyone has gone with renaming. And certainly, when warships are sold they get renamed these days. Still interested? This is how the USN goes about naming vessels... Warship naming in the US (http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq63-1.htm)

To be able to name a captured ship before she had been named, you would have to catch her before launch, which is possible I guess.

And good point about problems giving battle orders when ships are all named the same, but for the fact that (as with planes) you can get round that with codenames. Besides, everything is done by computer these days, so orders would go to ID numbers rather than ship names.

SGSlugger
May 3rd, 2004, 03:08 PM
Besides, everything is done by computer these days, so orders would go to ID numbers rather than ship names.

That's what I was begining to think.

Have the Goa'uld really used stragetises before? I mean they usually just show up and start blastin' away.

SailorSueUK
May 3rd, 2004, 03:19 PM
Gould battle fleet strategies? Absolutely.

SPOILERS FOR SEASON SIX AND SEASON SEVEN ENDERS
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Full Circle - Ba'al and the combined System Lord Fleet spectacularly fail to wipe out Anubis over Abydos.

That mine one - can't remember the name - where all the Gould ships are cloaked at first.

Revelations - the Gould Fleet pound the planet to draw out the Asgard base.

Lost City Part 2 - Herak notices the exit of the SG-1 vessel into Earth's atmosphere and rather than pointlessly obliterating the USN (what threat did the carrier group pose, exactly?!) Anubis moves operations to Antarctica to try to take SG-1 out.

Tok'Ra Hostess
May 4th, 2004, 05:25 AM
So, after some time spent talking about 'Nirrti's ha'tak vessel' or 'Anubis' mothership', I decided that I would start giving at least some of the ships in my fanfics names. It just seems to give the ships that little touch of individuality.

Of course, I realise that ha'taks are pretty mass produced, so I just wondered - especially following the recent 'names for X-303s' thread - if anyone else writing fanfic does the same? Do you give your Goa'uld - and other - spaceships names?


In the case of the Goa'uld, I do find it peculiar that the individual ships don't reflect the god that owns them. Ra (the Movie) had a fantastic ship that suited his mythology to a Tee. But, why does Cronus fly around in a pyramid? Why does Niriti? :confused:

OTOH, if anything highlights, to me, that the Goa'uld are a parasitic species, it's the fact that most of their vessels/tech is the same no matter who the god is. It seems to me that a lack of that particular sort immagination could rightly be an achilles heel for a parasite, a weakness an Sg unit (or a fic writer) could exploit. :)

Mr Prophet
May 4th, 2004, 07:13 AM
In the case of the Goa'uld, I do find it peculiar that the individual ships don't reflect the god that owns them. Ra (the Movie) had a fantastic ship that suited his mythology to a Tee. But, why does Cronus fly around in a pyramid? Why does Niriti? :confused:


Well, they have different statues and lighting and thrones; or in Cronus' case, the same throne but with a rug over it. It's funny; one might almost think that they were all the same set.

Tok'Ra Hostess
May 4th, 2004, 08:57 AM
Well, they have different statues and lighting and thrones; or in Cronus' case, the same throne but with a rug over it. It's funny; one might almost think that they were all the same set.

Ya think? ;)

Yes, the ship's interiors reflect the,... er,... original owners, I guess. Pop's ship, in Serpent's Lair/Grasp had a bunch of Horus guard statues, so I figure he was using a vessel captured from Ra. Also, after "defeating" Sokar he did nothing to change the interior of his flagship.

Mr Prophet
May 4th, 2004, 09:19 AM
Ya think? ;)

Yes, the ship's interiors reflect the,... er,... original owners, I guess. Pop's ship, in Serpent's Lair/Grasp had a bunch of Horus guard statues, so I figure he was using a vessel captured from Ra. Also, after "defeating" Sokar he did nothing to change the interior of his flagship.

Well, with the Red Guard armour he pretty much embraced Sokar's whole look, didn't he? I guess he was trying to get away from that whole Serpent helm look.

Tok'Ra Hostess
May 4th, 2004, 10:07 AM
Well, with the Red Guard armour he pretty much embraced Sokar's whole look, didn't he?

Exactly my point; the Goa'uld are parasites; they have no real sense of self and will simply use whatever comes to hand without making much, if any, modifications.

Crazedwraith
May 4th, 2004, 10:20 AM
"Ba'al, we have just destroyed the 'Anubis Mothership'."

Personally I don't like the idea of the Goa'uld naming their ships. It adds a little to much human quality to them. Plus I think that it would be a hassle. They command such large fleets, and they are constantly fueding, and taking over new ships.
Do you really think Apophis sat down and renamed every one of Heur-ur's or Sokar's vessels when he took over?

No they don't each system lord has at best a dozen Ha'taks, not hard to think up and remember names for twelve motherships and possibly a flagship. i doubt they assign death gliders and bombers names.

Mr Prophet
May 4th, 2004, 10:24 AM
Exactly my point; the Goa'uld are parasites; they have no real sense of self and will simply use whatever comes to hand without making much, if any, modifications.

Except that they have a whopping sense of self, parasitic or otherwise. Their identity is in their very genetic code. Everything they ever do is about ego; slippery little paradoxes that they are.

priornavalperson
May 4th, 2004, 12:01 PM
I'll have to check a translation of the biography of Ahmose to be sure, but I think that the Pharoahs did name their ships. And we all know from whom they received their customs.;)

SGSlugger
May 4th, 2004, 05:43 PM
What if they used like a generic system to name their ships? Like whoever was in command of that ship was used in it's name? Example: Anubis's Mothership, Underlord Bob's Ha'tak.

"Underlord Bob will move his ha'tak into position, followed by Jeffery with his. From there we will move into posistion....."

Sela
May 7th, 2004, 06:24 PM
I've thought about naming a ship but as there aren't many on our (Earth's) side in SG-1, it's hard to come up with a name. In SG-1 they are just called...well, ships. Transports, motherships - no names, just designations.

In the various Trek or Andromeda series there are a lot of ships to pick up the flow of names from: Enterprise, Reliant, Defiant - such noble names. The Starry Wisdom, The Andromeda Acendent - very poetic. I like that.

Mr Prophet
May 8th, 2004, 12:43 AM
In the various Trek or Andromeda series there are a lot of ships to pick up the flow of names from: Enterprise, Reliant, Defiant - such noble names. The Starry Wisdom, The Andromeda Acendent - very poetic. I like that.

I've always liked the Culture's ship names: The Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality, the What Are the Civilian Applications?; the I Blame My Mother and its sister ship, the I Blame Your Mother.

Sela
May 8th, 2004, 10:09 AM
I've always liked the Culture's ship names: The Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality, the What Are the Civilian Applications?; the I Blame My Mother and its sister ship, the I Blame Your Mother.


ROFLOL! "I Blame My Mother" - what a greatname for a ship! And the sister ship - hilarious! How about a new line with the flagship called "Your Mother Dresses You Funny"? :D

Mr Prophet
May 8th, 2004, 03:11 PM
ROFLOL! "I Blame My Mother" - what a greatname for a ship! And the sister ship - hilarious! How about a new line with the flagship called "Your Mother Dresses You Funny"? :D

Well it depends on the ship, really. See, the thing about Culture ships is that they're controlled by pan-dimensional AIs called minds, which spend most of their time off in a ludicrously complex thought-world of their own devising. They get to name the ship they control, and - partly because most of their vast brain power is occupied in this thought-world - they have a rather skewed sense of humour.

A fuller list of culture ship names can be found here (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~and1000/banks/ships.html) among other places. The GSV So Much for Subtlety is another favourite.

priornavalperson
July 6th, 2004, 10:06 AM
Well, if one thinks of them primarily as carriers, then famous battles such as Saratoga, Lexington, Coral Sea, , etc. If one thinks of them as Battle Cruisers, then name them after Territories. The only two Battle Cruisers the US Navy ever had were named after what were then territories, such as the Alaska,


Of course, if one wants to be consistant with the name of the first space battle cruiser, the Prometheus, then they should be named after demi-gods. However, in that case we should try to avoid naming them after known Goa'uld.