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GateWorld
April 27th, 2004, 09:24 PM
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The Doctor helps a woman get back to her wedding after she inexplicably shows up on board the TARDIS in outer space, only to learn that she is a pawn in a plot by the ancient Empress of the Rocnoss.

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The Signal
December 25th, 2006, 11:04 AM
Until something official is put up, this'll do. Its out in the open and not in the episode folder so that its easy to see and we don't get a bunch of repeated threads :)

Err.... at least Gallifrey got a mention. (that one word gave me a tingly feeling deep down in my inner whovian)

Really, can RTD please get others to write? Stephen Moffat? Toby Whitehouse? Matt Jones? Noel Clark? Please?

5/10 - just plain old bad, virtually every line not spoken by David was painful, and generally bad acting from all but the leading man (and even DT wasn't at his best :()

Next season looks good though, although I was really unhappy about the spoiler at the end of it, because:

A: It was uber spoilery
B: SOOOOO repetetive, do something new!

Looking forward to seeingFreema as Martha Jones I just hope Rose isn't mentioned in anything but episode 1 Currently titled "Smith and Jones" and supposedly featuring the Judoon (the rhino things)

I'm off to watch some better Who, just got the Inferno DVD, so that'll do it :D

in circles
December 25th, 2006, 11:06 AM
This almost made me wish I was watching Love and Monsters. It seemed like an hour of everyone shouting and overacting.

The Signal
December 25th, 2006, 11:35 AM
Two other grouches, a massive ship is in orbit, and neither of the two remaining Torchwood's do anything about it? And the dematerialisation was aweful at the end, please don't let that happen again :S

Reefgirl
December 25th, 2006, 11:39 AM
It was so bad it was good. I would have put good money on at least one 'Bovvered' getting in there.
IMO it was better than last years, the HC whatever being part of Torchwood stood out a mile as did Donna's groom being in cohorts with the spider and purlese robot Santa's AGAIN!!

Questions, can Catherine Tate talk quietly? Will the Doctor get teary eyed every time someone mentions Rose? be a bit of a pain if he gets trapped in the Chelsea Flower Show. God I hope series 3 is a bit more promising.

Matt G
December 25th, 2006, 01:22 PM
It wasn't THAT bad!

1. OK, so Catherine Tate was very Catherine Tatey.

2. When Donna was moaning about her dress, I could kinda see Ecclestone-Doctor yelling "jump you stupid ape", the kids telling her to jump was cliched though, as was the husband being involved.

3. The Doctor 'still' can't get away from Torchwood, right!

4. And just when we needed to be reminded that the Doctor can be a ruthless SOB...clearly there's some cosmologically ancient grudge between Gallifrey and the Agoros.

5. "This planet will be scorched". Not if your ship's so vulnerable it can be taken out by a good old fashioned Earth tank shell it won't!

Overall, I threw a lot of wisecrack in the opening few mins before being reminded by Mum that it was supposed to be played for laughs.

7.5/10

pbellosom
December 25th, 2006, 02:01 PM
I thought it was nowhere near as good as last years Chrimbo special. Actually I quite enjoyed it once they got into the basement below the offices, but quite frankly I would have turned the TV off and gone to play on my new Wii long before that if we hadn't been watching it as a familly thing.

Anubis69
December 25th, 2006, 02:26 PM
Did DT remind anyone of Hawkeye from MASH? Or more precisely, iHawk from Futurama? The ridiculous changes in mood and all.


iHawk: Believe it all you want, that won't make it true. [He laughs then flicks a switch on this body from "irreverent" to "maudlin".] This isn't a war, it's a murder. [He flicks it back.] This isn't a war, it's a moider!

Apart from that and CT's perpetual shouting it was enjoyable. Predictable, but enjoyable. Although i did think the bit with DT, the fire, water and red spider was really cool! The music was really intense.
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Speaking of the music, did anyone else find it really intrusive? It was really upbeat and out of place a lot of the time. Obviously with the exception of the wedding reception where the "bobbles" were exploding and there was some delicate christmas music in the background. That was class.

Madeleine
December 25th, 2006, 09:50 PM
I don't know how valid my opinion is since I watched it with a chattery six-year-old and through both a haze of desert wine and the bleary eyes of one who was woken at 20-minute intervals all night to be asked if it was morning yet. I really enjoyed it and thought it was funny, and if Donna hadn't been so loud she wouldn't have made herself heard in my sitting room :)

The spider queen was amazing. Better than the old tinfoil and loo-roll things. I liked seeing the Earth form as well, it was rather beautiful.

Reefgirl
December 26th, 2006, 01:32 AM
It's repeated on BBC3 on Wednesday at 8pm

lord-anubis
December 26th, 2006, 01:33 AM
i thought the ep was good better then last years ep not that i dident like. the end of the ep was great him makeing it snow much better then the end of doomsday.


Err.... at least Gallifrey got a mention. (that one word gave me a tingly feeling deep down in my inner whovian)

buts its name lives on galifrey

i was gald he finally said it for the frist time in the new series. i was gald he finally said it

Willow'sCat
December 26th, 2006, 02:07 AM
I really liked this, maybe it helps that I have no idea who the Bride was (the actress I mean, I had never heard of her before she was cast and have never seen anything she has ever done ;) ). Yes she was loud and abrasive but I found that to be a great contrast to Rose and really I think this was all about ridding Doctor Who of Rose, to get Rose out of the picture to make her less important to The Doctor; in time for a new series. Well that is how I saw her anyway.

I did lose the plot a little, so were these the same as the ones from "The Planet of the spiders"? And how do you drain the Thames and refill it? :p

I liked the use of Torchwood but having watch Torchwood, I am sad to say the institute is sorely testing my suspension of disbelief, I could have believed before Doomsday (and Torchwood the series) that they were able to pull off something like hidden levels and tunnels under major land marks; but now I am in doubt as to whether they could arrange a P*** up in a brewery. :cool: Also time-lines, I worry that the time-lines are getting muddled with too much, but unless someone starts a thread for both Torchwood and Doctor Who I should maybe stop now with the references. Just saying if Jack was really looking for a certain alien he should have known he was back. Should have had some tech thingy to find and locate him *shrugs*
Anyway, all in all I liked it, was it as good as a regeneration Chrissy special? No of course not, we were all looking forward to seeing this new Doctor last year, this year we only had a new companion who was never going to be a new companion and we knew that... this was "just" another episode of DW that happened to be set at Christmas time, maybe some were wanting far more then it ever could have delivered, I was just wanting some new DW while I ate some left overs. ;)

Worked for me. :)

Hooperman1990
December 26th, 2006, 03:06 AM
I thought this episode was really naff. It didnt seem very well written so it spent half the time going nowhere and the other half trying to go everywhere at once. But most of all Catherine Tate just annoyed me, just that loud compulsive repetitive shouting reminded me why i cannot stand to watch the catherine tate show. At least shes only in for that episode!

kirmit
December 26th, 2006, 03:07 AM
the episode was ok....it had it's high points and low points.

High points:
-The doctor still his usual self but with a darker side
-The tardis chasing the taxi
-Earth's creation was interesting
-The make up on the Raknor queen was really well done
-All the Cgi was very good standard

Low points:
-Catherine Tate, I'm glad they didn't cast her for a permanent role, she was alright at times but mostly just an annoyance.
-The 'evil' groom to be was sooo obvious, the moment the doctor mentioned the particles in her it was so apparent they came from the coffee.
-The little girl screaming....the beam was moving soo slow and she was so far away from it, yet she stood there...doing nothing but screaming.
-Hate to say it but the raknor plot, how many times will we see an episode about some lone survivor trying to bring their race back that the time lords destroyed.

I didn't like it as much as last years but it was ok and next season looks interesting.

MechaThor
December 26th, 2006, 03:43 AM
Diffrent from the person above I found it better than the on last year. As it was not another "mind control" ep. Tge Rakorn looks cool and very well done. Why canb't stargate have aliens as cool as that?

The Spider web spaceship was an intresting design as was the idea of the creation of Earth.

Also the taxi chase as staed above was great and alkmost movie quality.

Overall 7/10. (Since nothing can beat the Hell episode)

Question to any "true" doctor who fans. Was the spider a redisgned version of that giant toy spider alien i have seen in clip talking about the original Dr Whos?

Prior_of_the_Ori
December 26th, 2006, 04:58 AM
It was a nice episode actually though I can see why people didnt like Catherine Tate for being so loud and as the groom said, 'thick'. Along with the whole 'alien race dead but have a last survivor with a plot to recreate the race which is soo evil and old' did seem a bit repetitive but meh.

I thought the ending was nice when he offered her to explore the galaxy and she said no. As well as the explanation that accompanied it. One thing I found funny was how the Doctor would explain something, get all excited and get a slap from the Bride. Its soooo different from Rose.

in circles
December 26th, 2006, 06:03 AM
-The little girl screaming....the beam was moving soo slow and she was so far away from it, yet she stood there...doing nothing but screaming.


I was really hoping she'd get it but no such luck.

Billz
December 26th, 2006, 06:35 AM
Like many of you, I thought the TARDIS chasing the taxi on a motorway (A325 if im not mistaken) was very well done. Catherines acting was so 'Tatey' which made the episode especially funny to watch. Big ups for Gallifrey finally getting mentioned! :cameron:

I found the whole 'alien spaceship core of Earth' a little stupid though. What I really didnt like about this one was the TARDIS takeoff at the end, I mean, WTF?!?

Overall a well deserved 8/10

Anubis69
December 26th, 2006, 10:11 AM
The tardis chasing the taxi
The trailer made that out to be so much more. I was expecting a really dramatic chase sequence with some really intense music but it was more like Benny Hill meets a black cab on the A325. (If Billz is not mistaken. :P)

Maybe Torchwood has just given me a taste of "darker times" and this kind of upbeat sci-fi/soap just doesn't do it for me anymore. You know, where you know everyone's going to be fine and the bad guy will "get what's coming to him"... That'd be kind of annoying if i don't enjoy them anymore though, especially SG being one of those shows... At least in Tochwood you get the feeling that any of the cast could be killed in the next episode.

ETA: Is the view kind of weird in this thread or is that my imagination? Like it's outlined in white... and with a grey border to the right?

Reefgirl
December 26th, 2006, 10:40 AM
Maybe Torchwood has just given me a taste of "darker times" and this kind of upbeat sci-fi/soap just doesn't do it for me anymore.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought it had a slightly 'Soapy' feel to it especially during the Reception scenes, I was half expecting to see Pauline Fowler push her way to the front of the crowd on the dance floor.


ETA: Is the view kind of weird in this thread or is that my imagination? Like it's outlined in white... and with a grey border to the right?
Yep I can see it too

lord-anubis
December 26th, 2006, 11:03 AM
Tge Rakorn looks cool and very well done. Why canb't stargate have aliens as cool as that?

maybe they don't have the money for it



I found the whole 'alien spaceship core of Earth' a little stupid though

it kind of remind me of a couple of other doctor who eps were aliens were responble for some thing inmporent for earth or humans. City of Death and i think Image of the Fendahl.


What I really didnt like about this one was the TARDIS takeoff at the end, I mean, WTF?!?


lol yeah that kind of confused me to when i saw i guess he flew the tardis insed of just dispearing

Anubis69
December 26th, 2006, 11:13 AM
I was half expecting to see Pauline Fowler push her way to the front of the crowd on the dance floor.
Not anymore!

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch (http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/7886/12262006080605pmcc4.jpg)! :P

Anyway, at least i'm not alone in my thoughts.

Flyboy
December 26th, 2006, 01:15 PM
Ok my RAF loyalties make me scream the following:

WHERE WERE THE BLOODY FIGHTER JETS!!!!??!!!

They sent TANKS in to fight off a great big alien space ship and not a squadron of Eurofighter Typhoons? What were they THINKING!? Still... got the job done I suppose.

Catherine Tate? Blergh. Annoying woman. Can't believe the Doc asked her to travel with him.

As for Torchwood. I'm getting a tad annoyed.

Where do they fit?

Where's the Torchwood Commandant?

I cannot believe Torchwood 1 is actually gone, so Canary Warf was the main Torchwood group's ONLY facility? Obviously not as there's one under the Thames, so where's the rest of Torchwood 1, where are they operating from. Who does Captain Jack of T3 report to? And why, as was previously said, did the rememnants of T1 or the actual T3 do anything about the ruddy great big space ship and why was it left to a (non-UNIT) Tank to shoot down?

The believability of Torchwood is getting less and less. Xmas Invasion and Doomsday showed us a HUGE and highly organised operation that could shoot down incoming alien threats and hoard alien tech. They seen completely gone, HOW!? And that's in stark contrast to the Welsh Torchwood group that really is quiet inadaquate when it comes to these things... where's T3's big honking space guns?

pbellosom
December 26th, 2006, 02:04 PM
What I really didnt like about this one was the TARDIS takeoff at the end, I mean, WTF?!?

Overall a well deserved 8/10


I reckon it's too do with all the tinkering around the doctor did to make it capable of atmospheric travel he's broken it. I think the next series
will start with him tring to fix it.

Matt G
December 26th, 2006, 02:09 PM
Or the Doctor was showing off one last time to Donna!

Anubis69
December 26th, 2006, 02:22 PM
As for Torchwood. I'm getting a tad annoyed.

Where do they fit?

Where's the Torchwood Commandant?

I cannot believe Torchwood 1 is actually gone, so Canary Warf was the main Torchwood group's ONLY facility? Obviously not as there's one under the Thames, so where's the rest of Torchwood 1, where are they operating from. Who does Captain Jack of T3 report to? And why, as was previously said, did the rememnants of T1 or the actual T3 do anything about the ruddy great big space ship and why was it left to a (non-UNIT) Tank to shoot down?

The believability of Torchwood is getting less and less. Xmas Invasion and Doomsday showed us a HUGE and highly organised operation that could shoot down incoming alien threats and hoard alien tech. They seen completely gone, HOW!? And that's in stark contrast to the Welsh Torchwood group that really is quiet inadaquate when it comes to these things... where's T3's big honking space guns?
I remember reading that Torchwood the series is set one year after the battle of Canary Warf and given The Runaway Bride takes place right after Doomsday, is it not possible that whoever governs Torchwood as a whole (My best guess so far is Ross Kemp) decided that they should split up the resources and have many bases rather than one based in London?

It would explain why T3 is so poorly kitted out; maybe they specialise in something else rather than big guns, maybe they're waiting for another HQ to be built? After all Ianto did say he was at T1 in "Doomsday" and i don't recall any of them specifically saying they've been working for Torchwood in Cardiff for more than a year. Just a thought.

And another thing i liked about this ep, i've always wondered why The Doctor couldn't just go back in time to the wedding, back to when Rose first left etc. It was probably explained in the older Whos but i liked the mention.

ShadowMaat
December 26th, 2006, 05:29 PM
I loved it! Having never heard of Catherine Tate before fandom exploded in hatred however many months back I personally had no issues with her and thought Donna was a great character. I'm glad she didn't stay with the Doctor, though, because we've already gone the wide-eyed innocent route with Rose and I don't need X number more seasons of doing that all over again. The loudness and tendency to yell only made her a better contrast to Rose and I thought Tate performed very well.

I didn't see the whole evil boyfriend plot coming. I was a bit disappointed by the cheesiness of it, but whatever. I know that humans are small and selfish and petty, but once in a while it'd be nice to meet a human who isn't self-serving and in cahoots with evil aliens in order to gain power or domination or whatever. Oh well. At least he died. I think Donna was right; he deserved it.

The Raknoss was a bit polished-looking and I would have appreciated an explanation about the Santabots and whether they were sent by the Empress last year or if that was a separate issue (the whole "pilot fish" thing) but all in all the whole package was better than SOME aliens we've seen (the wire, the abzorbaloff, the glowy seed thingy). Opinions may vary, of course.

I liked the music and there was at least one scene (in the lab) where I heard echoes of the music from Torchwood, so yay on that. I wish we could have found out more about what Torchwood was trying to accomplish in that lab, however. The Doctor implied that they were the ones who drilled the hole, but to what purpose? Unless they somehow knew the Raknoss ship was at the core and they were trying to reach it. Seems a bit dodgy, though.

I caught a lot of echoes/visual cues of past eps which is probably just my imagination but which made me smile anyway.

The teaser for the upcoming season has me enthralled. I can't wait to see it! :D

Willow'sCat
December 26th, 2006, 06:07 PM
OK I am still wondering about the Planet of the Spiders, didn't The Doctor say the Timelords wiped out her planet, now I know *or I think* the planet in Planet of the Spiders was blown up but I thought that was down to the humans not The Doctor or the other Timelords. Dam I only re-watched it last year!

I can't find any reference to them being one in the same *was there anything in the comms?* but then how many spider like creature can there be out there!? I will say this spider didn't scare me in this the way the plastic looking one of ye olde Doctor Who did but then I was only 6 or so. :p

Albion
December 26th, 2006, 06:47 PM
Well, I thoroughly enjoyed this Christmas romp. Perhaps because I didn't take it that seriously and just went along for the ride. CT wasn't as annoying as I'd thought she would be. Yes, she was loud and abrasive, but, let's face it, it's because she's made her name and is popular doing that kind of character that she was hired for the role. So it was to be expected.

The spider-woman wasn't half-bad. Although guilty of some awful dialogue and over the top acting at times. She would have done well in a panto. But maybe that was the point. When else can you get away with a panto villain in your show but at Christmas?

I was confused by the Santa robots. Is there some store somewhere that hires them out to villains and suggests using them with Santa suits? And does that store also hire out killer Christmas trees? There was probably some explanation given for why two separate villians with no connection to one another used the same Santa robots and tree method, either in this Christmas special or last year's, but if it was there I missed what it was.

But, as I say, I was enjoying the ride too much to really question it deeply.

And the teaser for the coming season was interesting. Looking forward to that, now. For those whining about Rose being mentioned (personally, I think it would have been odd if she wasn't) and the poster who expressed the hope that she won't be mentioned again, we did hear the Doctor repeat to Martha what he told Donna (you won't replace Rose). So she's mentioned at least once. My money would be on her being mentioned a few times in the first couple of episodes, just as she was in this, and then perhaps not again.


Speaking of the music, did anyone else find it really intrusive?

Yes. This was the only downpoint for me. I could really have done without the frenetic, almost hysterical, clashing cymbols and blasting trumpets music score throughout. After the first few minutes it got very annoying and it especially irritated me during the motorway scene. I don't think it was needed to underscore the dramatic tension at all.


I remember reading that Torchwood the series is set one year after the battle of Canary Warf and given The Runaway Bride takes place right after Doomsday,

That reminds me of one of the funniest things for me. I thought it was hiliarious when the Doctor kept mentioning these huge alien invasions and Donna would look blank and go, "I had a hangover." or "I was in Spain."


Albion :)

ShadowMaat
December 26th, 2006, 07:00 PM
Has Torchwood been dosing the planet's water supply with retcon pills so that no one ever remembers all these things? :P

Reefgirl
December 27th, 2006, 01:34 AM
Not anymore!

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch (http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/7886/12262006080605pmcc4.jpg)! :P

Anyway, at least i'm not alone in my thoughts.
Hooray, maybe it'll be a bit more cheerful, NOT!!!

DigiFluid
December 27th, 2006, 10:53 AM
So two questions, maybe I missed the answers in the episode...

1) Torchwood built the facility? Why were they helping the Raknor?
2) Uh...isn't the Thames still empty at the end of the episode?

Pitry
December 27th, 2006, 11:26 AM
Generally - really enjoyed it.
I was actually really enjoying the reactio the Doctor had every time someone (*cough* Donna) mentioned Rose, or somethign happeend top remind him of her. I also really loved to see the darker side of him - he never had that before, just standing and watching someone in agony. I'm thinking about what he told to the school principal in School Reunion - but they never really showed it, not like in The Runaway Bride.

Donna was... annoying. Amusingly annoying, adn definitely entertaining - but I haev to admit I'm glad she's not the new companion. No idea who Catharine Tate is, so... ;)

The spider. The Big Spider. The Big Spider fo Doom. Huh?! That was.... pure cheese. ;)

I dind't think we'd run into Torchwood this early in season 3 ;) I agree - this entire "oh, aliens have invaded Earth but no one noticed" shtick is gettign so old and impossible, they're really stretching it here. And Torchwood should have done something. C'mon! Jack should have done something! *jumps up adn down in frustration*

I have to say, I dind't think the TARDIS car chase was that well done.... it was too obvious they're workign with CGI. Meh.

But all in all, I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to the next season!
One thing about the preview in the end I don't know, for some reason the Doctor looking upwards caught my eye. He looks so miserable! Poor Doctor :(

Dinoflo
December 27th, 2006, 02:38 PM
I loved the runaway bride, despite being very drunk. The CGI was better than before, the Raknor was one of the best baddies - although doctor who baddies have a habit of looking impressive, but just standing there and talking, and not interacting with anything (such as the Nestine consiousness, the firey looking Gelth, the Jagerfess, the Emperor Dalek, the wire, that scary drawing thing, and the Raknor)

Btw, the robot santas were scavanger robots, and some time between the Christmas invasion and the runaway bride they were taken over by the Raknor who now remote controls them. Also, torchwood one was destroyed because they activly faught the cybermen, so all of them were killed, not just the ones in canary wharf, whereas torchwood 2 and 3 were safe in Cardif and Glasgow, and remained hidden and safe as they had no means to fight.

Madeleine
December 27th, 2006, 09:55 PM
Are the Raknor gone? Spiders normally reappear when they've been washed down the plughole, i'm told...

lord-anubis
December 27th, 2006, 10:05 PM
yeah i was wondering about that my self i guess they drowed spiders can't swim apently.

also this was a diffent type of spider right? for awhile i was thinking it was the one from plante of the sipders

Easter Lily
December 28th, 2006, 02:13 AM
Loved it... Better than The Christmas Invasion (which I enjoyed also), I thought... All in all it was a better written and more substantive story. And of course, more of the Doctor, which is always a bonus. This story reminds me of why I have embraced David Tennant in the role.
Personally I didn't find Catherine Tate all that annoying in the scheme of things. I can't imagine a woman being happy about being carted away while she's walking down the aisle. I think she was a pretty balanced character all round.

I'm particularly happy about the deliberate attempt to give the Doctor more of a dark edge. I'm really looking forward to seeing more of that "edge" in the new season. David Tennant looks at home with the idea.

The references to Rose were a nice touch and DT handled it superbly. Very poignant.

hydr0san
December 28th, 2006, 04:49 AM
Are the Raknor gone? Spiders normally reappear when they've been washed down the plughole, i'm told...



Think about the size of the plughole, miles and miles deep it is! Then again, when compared relatively (size of sink vs spiders, vs earth vs raknor, im sure it's relatively the same)

Wouldn't mind if they surivived (they looked hella cool) but if the Doctor says "the last of the raknor" again, i swear im going to loose it

ShadowMaat
December 28th, 2006, 05:05 AM
I'm getting tired of the "But that's impossible!" angle, myself. This is the Doctor. Impossible things happen to him all the time. He shouldn't always be so OMGIMPOSSIBLE!! all the time. Rise of the Cybermen, Impossible Planet, Army of Ghosts... I think he was all shocked in Girl in the Fireplace, too, wasn't he? And now Runaway Bride, too. ENOUGH WITH THE ANVILS! We get it! Amazing and impossible things! Yes, whatever. GET ON WITH THE STORY!

IMForeman
December 28th, 2006, 01:57 PM
I quite enjoyed it. Light and fun, like a Christmas special should be. Though I did think the Empress of the Rachnoss was so far over the top she couldn't see the top anymore... and "This time it's Personell" is officially the most groan-worthy pun in a very long time.

Missster.Freeman
December 28th, 2006, 04:18 PM
So aye, this year's Christmas Who was not bad. I didn't think it was quite as good as last year's Christmas special. I was surprised by Catherine Tate's performance. She wasn't nearly as annoying as I thought she would be.

I really liked the Spider Queen. The effects artists did a great job splicing puppetry with a real person. The infant Sun peeking out of the dust and gas in the nebula, and the Rachnoss ship gathering in the floating boulders to form the Earth was very cool indeed. The Tardis shooting off into the sky instead of de-materialising on the spot was unexpected however.


Think about the size of the plughole, miles and miles deep it is! Then again, when compared relatively (size of sink vs spiders, vs earth vs raknor, im sure it's relatively the same)

Wouldn't mind if they surivived (they looked hella cool) but if the Doctor says "the last of the raknor" again, i swear im going to loose it
Y'know, I didn't get that joke, even after saying to my pal, "that looks like water draining down a giant plughole." And he said, "isn't that a bit daft draining the Thames down there? It'll extinguish the Earth's core." Then we came to the conclusion that the water would instantly vaporise when it hit the molten core. Which brings me to ask this: How on earth could the Rachnoss exist/survive in the molten iron core in the first place?

Still, I found it easier to take in than a plate of Brussel Sprouts. Or Torchwood. I don't know exactly what it is that bugs me about Torchwood. Sometimes it is just too painful to watch. I was glad of the light relief that Dr Who brings.

rogue_knight
December 28th, 2006, 10:54 PM
While this episode was good, it wasnt as good as The Christmas Invasion. The bride, crap already forgot her name was annoying. I was reading some other posts, and it seems she was typecast. Is Catherine Tate really like that in other a lot of her roles?

The CGI was great. The whole Tardis chasing the taxi was brilliant. The creation of Earth was fantastic. The visual effects team is really good at creating a beautiful outer space and space clouds. Way better than anything I've seen in US productions.

I havent seen anything older than season 27, were these Raknor major bad guys in the old series?

in circles
December 29th, 2006, 05:07 AM
I havent seen anything older than season 27, were these Raknor major bad guys in the old series?

First time they've been in the show.

IMForeman
December 29th, 2006, 06:45 AM
Why does everyone here say "Raknor"? They were the Rachnoss.

Reefgirl
December 29th, 2006, 11:41 AM
Wasn't Raknor a mate of Teal'c's

ShadowMaat
December 29th, 2006, 03:16 PM
Why does everyone here say "Raknor"? They were the Rachnoss.

That's what I thought. Glad I'm not the only one. ;)

Ironically, though, I went to see Eragon with my sister and niece today and when the icky things attacker she asked me what they were called and I said, "Raknor?" It was the Raczak (or whatever). Close enough. Poor Rakky, everyone keeps abusing his name. ;)

Missster.Freeman
December 29th, 2006, 05:11 PM
Well I spelt it right. :P (With a little help from my friend, google.)

Every time I see "Raknor", my mind flips the k and n to spell Rankor. (The big beastie that Luke fought in Star Wars. (It's really spelt "Rancor", but it sounds the same. :P)) And the abuse of Poor Rakky continues. ;)

Oh and sometimes substitutes R for Wa... :D

rogue_knight
December 29th, 2006, 06:30 PM
I was just thinking...

At the end of the episode, the Doctor told Donna to be "magnificent". I don't remember if he said it more throughout the episode, but could this be the new "fantastic"? Or has The Doctor used it before?

Elinor
December 30th, 2006, 07:00 AM
Thought this was a bit disappointing. The show has always had a family oriented feel to it...but this just seemed a bit more juvenile than normal to me!

I liked the taxi chase scene..that was fun! Got a bit distracted later though 'cos it's supposed to be Xmas time and when they were sat atop the building, you could clearly see lots of leaves on the trees in the distance....Hee! Nitpicky 'R' Us!!

Oh well...the new season looks good!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-015.gif

The Signal
December 30th, 2006, 08:57 AM
I was just thinking...

At the end of the episode, the Doctor told Donna to be "magnificent". I don't remember if he said it more throughout the episode, but could this be the new "fantastic"? Or has The Doctor used it before?

the Doctor already has "Thats/You're beatuiful" and "Im sorry, I'm so sorry", he doesnt need another catchphrase IMO

rogue_knight
December 30th, 2006, 06:25 PM
the Doctor already has "Thats/You're beatuiful" and "Im sorry, I'm so sorry", he doesnt need another catchphrase IMO

What about "Brilliant!"? I remember hearing that quite a few times.

Madeleine
December 30th, 2006, 09:47 PM
I liked the taxi chase scene..that was fun! Got a bit distracted later though 'cos it's supposed to be Xmas time and when they were sat atop the building, you could clearly see lots of leaves on the trees in the distance....Hee!

Global warming has kept quite a few leaves on trees in SE England this year. Maybe TRB was set two years from now when winter is confined to two weeks in late January when people notice that the grass hasn't needed mowing this fortnight and vaguely wonder if they have a coat anywhere in the house.

BC - 303
December 31st, 2006, 02:42 AM
Tardis shooting off into the sky instead of de-materialising on the spot was unexpected however.
.

he does that from time to time, he did this in the old series for no reason.

BC - 303
December 31st, 2006, 02:45 AM
the Doctor already has "Thats/You're beatuiful" and "Im sorry, I'm so sorry", he doesnt need another catchphrase IMO

He also says things are "Brilliant" alot, especially humanity. And has a very good sense of taste.

DigiFluid
December 31st, 2006, 09:41 AM
Got a bit distracted later though 'cos it's supposed to be Xmas time and when they were sat atop the building, you could clearly see lots of leaves on the trees in the distance....Hee! Nitpicky 'R' Us!![/img]

Global warming ;)

Where I live, Burlington (or St. Catharines when I'm at uni), Ontario, Canada, we haven't had a big snowfall in three years. Most we've had is a light sprinkling of snow that melts a day or two later. Hell, the trees even had leaves on them into December.

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
January 2nd, 2007, 12:08 PM
When reading this please bare in mind I am not a whovian, but what I have seen of the original series is pretty good (I haven't seen that much BTW).

I decided to watch this on BBC Three earlier after deciding there was nothing else on. Considering it was Dr Who and it had Catherine Tate in it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I hate Dr Who (2005) and The Catherine Tate Show, like Little Britain, Catherine Tate is sooooo repetitive, if you've watched one you've watched them all

When watching Catherine Tate
:eek:OMG SHE SAID "AM I BOTHERED?" I didn't see that one coming:eek:

And Dr Who (2005), it is partially explained among the spoiler tags.

Normally when I decide to give Dr Who one last chance due there being nothing on, I switch off after a minute due to the crapiness of it, and though this had some of those "OMG this is so crap" moments, like when he was flying the tardis along the motorway, I was too lazy to get up and turn it off, I now have freeview in my room and I was very comfortable.

Catherine Tate's scream at the start was very unconvincing although when her eyes watered and she look totally crestfallen when the black dude was telling her he just used her, made up for it (well almost).

Overall it was mediocre to OK, the "OMG this is so crap" moments weren't as bad as usual except for Catherine Tate's scream.

The preview at the end looked a bit iffy, there was a bit that I swear looked like an alien doing the wraith feeding process, and if it is I will go nuts.

For the end of the teaser
It is a good job the Dalek thing was at the very end because that would have definitely made me turn off, the Daleks are 50% of the reason I hate Dr Who (2005), DO SOMETHING ELSE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!, 30% is the screwdriver and the rest is OTT Aliens, running down corridors and a lot other things

hydr0san
January 2nd, 2007, 12:10 PM
So aye, this year's Christmas Who was not bad. I didn't think it was quite as good as last year's Christmas special. I was surprised by Catherine Tate's performance. She wasn't nearly as annoying as I thought she would be.

I really liked the Spider Queen. The effects artists did a great job splicing puppetry with a real person. The infant Sun peeking out of the dust and gas in the nebula, and the Rachnoss ship gathering in the floating boulders to form the Earth was very cool indeed. The Tardis shooting off into the sky instead of de-materialising on the spot was unexpected however.


Y'know, I didn't get that joke, even after saying to my pal, "that looks like water draining down a giant plughole." And he said, "isn't that a bit daft draining the Thames down there? It'll extinguish the Earth's core." Then we came to the conclusion that the water would instantly vaporise when it hit the molten core. Which brings me to ask this: How on earth could the Rachnoss exist/survive in the molten iron core in the first place?

Still, I found it easier to take in than a plate of Brussel Sprouts. Or Torchwood. I don't know exactly what it is that bugs me about Torchwood. Sometimes it is just too painful to watch. I was glad of the light relief that Dr Who brings.

torchwood bugs all of us...seriously how can you claim its super secret and beyond the government, when everyone seems to know of them....annoying...but still a fun show to watch

Elinor
January 2nd, 2007, 11:27 PM
Global warming has kept quite a few leaves on trees in SE England this year. Maybe TRB was set two years from now when winter is confined to two weeks in late January when people notice that the grass hasn't needed mowing this fortnight and vaguely wonder if they have a coat anywhere in the house.


Global warming ;)

Where I live, Burlington (or St. Catharines when I'm at uni), Ontario, Canada, we haven't had a big snowfall in three years. Most we've had is a light sprinkling of snow that melts a day or two later. Hell, the trees even had leaves on them into December.

D'oh...see....I should've thought of that!! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/grinser/grinning-smiley-034.gif

Of course, all those alien ships flying around up there and exploding all over the place aren't gonna help Earth's atmosphere much either are they?!!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-004.gif

Stricken
January 3rd, 2007, 05:10 AM
For all those wondering why Torchwood One didn't do anything during Runnaway Bride...


According to the Torchwood website, there were 823 members of staff, of which only 27 were known to have survived. In the wake of the "Battle of Canary Wharf", Her Majesty ordered the immediate closure of Torchwood One.

Hulabaloo
January 4th, 2007, 02:51 PM
Hee i thought it twas a pretty good ep. Really funny.

Missster.Freeman
January 4th, 2007, 04:47 PM
torchwood bugs all of us...seriously how can you claim its super secret and beyond the government, when everyone seems to know of them....annoying...but still a fun show to watch
Well, I've never claimed that it's super secret and beyond the government. ;) They have, at the beginning of every bleeding episode! :rolleyes: Yes, that's one thing that's irked me about Torchwood. I don't detest the show. Yet. I just wish...


he does that from time to time, he did this in the old series for no reason.
Thanks! Which incarnation(s) of the Doctor did this? I only have vague memories of Dr Who up until Peter Davison.

BC - 303
January 5th, 2007, 03:52 PM
At the end of this episode, the TARDIS takes off vertically like a rocket. The first time this was seen was in the Second Doctor serial Fury from the Deep (1968).
Well wikipedia said it, but i am well aware that wikipedia can lie.

Dont think there super secret, but think they arn't going to take orders from anyone.

Scoobing
January 6th, 2007, 10:13 AM
Quick note regarding torchwood, I believe that everyone can know about them, but they don't answer to any government or group. Theres a difference between being known about, and having to report to someone else.

Anubis69
January 6th, 2007, 02:37 PM
I'd imagine after "The Christmas Invasion" most (sober) people would know about Torchwood. Either that or they know of them, but not specifically what they do.

Madeleine
January 6th, 2007, 10:01 PM
I'd imagine after "The Christmas Invasion" most (sober) people would know about Torchwood. Either that or they know of them, but not specifically what they do.

I loved the way they explained how Donna *didn't* know. Hungover, then scuba-diving in Spain. Priceless :D.

TRexx
January 6th, 2007, 10:30 PM
Didn't take long for the Empress of Racnoss to be announced as an action figure. Coming in March 2007.

The 12-inch model has over 24 points of articulation. The photo below is of a prototype that's said to be more yellow than the final production item.

Click HERE (http://vrrrm.com/get/DrWHO_EmpressOfRacnoss.php) for further details and larger pictures.

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4871/racnosse293x200hc3.jpg (http://vrrrm.com/get/DrWHO_EmpressOfRacnoss.php)

Othere
January 8th, 2007, 05:43 AM
I didn't do very well in science subjects at school, so bear with me if I am incorrect (and I am sure there will be someone who jumps in to correct me if i am wrong) but surely the effect of cold water hitting super hot material like magma (as in the stuff under the earth's crust) would be a collossal explosion?
And was it phsyically possible to drain the thames like that, especially considering how deep the centre of the earth is from the crust and the amount of water needed to fill the hole etc - and wouldn't that affect the level of the water around the world even a litle bit?

Sorry if I'm being too pedantic, but I'd like a degree of realism in the stuff I watch and dont like to be treated like a complete imbecile by the writers :)

Overall I didn't mind it but I'm sick of invasion forces using Christmas and Santas and killer christmas trees. And surely the people of london would have twigged that intelligent lifeforms from elsewhere in the galaxy is a real possibility seeing that they have been invaded about 3 times in the space of a year?

I guess it did however explain what happened to one of the torchwoods as mentioned in the first or second ep of the Torchwood series. I suppose it could have been a lot worse.

I just get the feeling that the quality of the writing is going down because they are overstretching themselves with too many spin offs. Or is it just me?
Anyway, all that aside the trailers looked interesting so there is that to look forward to.
:)

Flyboy
January 8th, 2007, 07:03 AM
The deeper you get the hotter it gets, I don't think that the water would have even come in contact with the magma it would have evaporated long before that.

ShadowMaat
January 8th, 2007, 12:28 PM
The whole molten core thing I just took to mean that there WAS no molten core, just the webship thingy. Or that the webship was between the water and the core, maybe? Very fanwanky, but it's the only explanation I can come up with for why the Earth didn't shatter or experience cataclysmic earthquakes/eruptions. Although that might be an interesting long term effect.

Flyboy
January 8th, 2007, 01:05 PM
The centre of the Earth is not actually molten. There is a solid centre with a molten layer surrounding that. I'm guessing the centre was supposed to be the warship.

Othere
January 10th, 2007, 03:57 AM
The deeper you get the hotter it gets, I don't think that the water would have even come in contact with the magma it would have evaporated long before that.

Ok, but then it wouldn't have been effective in destroying the 'children' of the Raknos...?
Sorry, like I say, I dont mean to be pedantic or weird or anything.

Flyboy
January 10th, 2007, 05:11 AM
All I can assume is that the Raknoss children had climbed quit ehigh and the water washed the itsy bitsy spiders back down the plug hole before it evaporated, and they then plunged into magma.

ShadowMaat
January 10th, 2007, 08:19 AM
All I can assume is that the Raknoss children had climbed quit ehigh and the water washed the itsy bitsy spiders back down the plug hole before it evaporated, and they then plunged into magma.

Maybe I'm just lazy, but if I'd just been awakened and found there was this damn planet coating my ship and only one narrow crawlspace that went the thousands of miles up to the surface.... I'd just find a way to blow the damn planet off my back. :P

But then, I tend to be cranky when I first wake up. lol

Darkstar
January 12th, 2007, 01:48 AM
Phew good to be back, been a few months, anyhow I'd have to give the episode two distinct ratings.

The obviously fun rating, it was cliched to heck, the acting wasen't up to much but the whole point of the episode was that it was just a xmas episode made for a laugh, so for that I'd give it a resonable 7/10.

As far as the whole episode went (keeping the fun and obvious silliness in mind) it has to be a standard 5/10, only satisfactory but not the best, last years xmas special was somehow a little better, this episode had a very lonely feeling about it, about 3 or 4 of the characters including the Doctor were the only ones, last years was a whole bunch of folks and it felt a bit more dramatic thus so.
:D

BruTak
January 13th, 2007, 04:52 AM
In the scene where the Doctor and Donna were trying to hail a taxi, I know that the sign in the department store window said "Sale Starts Boxing Day" - but, the way the shot was framed, and the position David Tennant was standing, it looked more like "Tarts Boxing".

Now that sounds far more entertaining. :D

Willow'sCat
June 28th, 2007, 03:48 AM
Well this just screened in Australia.

I noticed the reference to Mr Saxon... that I completely missed the first time around. :rolleyes:

Ooh another thing, having now watched eps 11/12 *spoilers* in this they say Torchwood was destroyed, blah, blah, blah... but *spoilers*










Jack said that he rebuilt Torchwood in honor of The Doctor. What I want to know is did Jack also set up the other Touchwoods? You know the ones mentioned in Torchwood (the series?) when he is talking to Gwen? :S

P-90_177
June 28th, 2007, 03:51 AM
Well this just screened in Australia.

I noticed the reference to Mr Saxon... that I completely missed the first time around. :rolleyes:

Ooh another thing, having now watched eps 11/12 *spoilers* in this they say Torchwood was destroyed, blah, blah, blah... but *spoilers*










Jack said that he rebuilt Torchwood in honor of The Doctor. What I want to know is did Jack also set up the other Touchwoods? You know the ones mentioned in Torchwood (the series?) when he is talking to Gwen? :S

I wondered that. But i figured that all the torchwoods existed at the same time. however when the london torchwood got destroyed and closed down all of them got damaged by it. at that point Jack took over the cardiff one.

What i want to know is if Jack was part of torchwood before doomsday as well as after. Perhaps he ran the cardiff centre anyway but after doomsday he recreated torchwood as a whole and changed what their goals were.

ShadowMaat
June 28th, 2007, 08:58 AM
Speaking of Torchwood, how many hubs are there?

Canary Wharf is toast and I remember another one is "missing" and then there's the Cardiff hub and one other run by some cranky old man or something.

My guess is that to all intents and purposes the Cardiff Torchwood is now the central hub. Jack slippd in under the radar and slowly took over, drawing together a rag-tag crew that would be more loyal to him than to the anti-Doctor scripture of the original Torchwood.

MasySyma
July 6th, 2007, 06:52 PM
I loved it!!!

Ok, it was over the top, and yes Donna was loud, but that is what made it great.

The Good:

Donna: I like her, and I want to see more of her. (Yes, I know the spoilers). I wouldn't take being beamed out of my wedding well either. She had a reason to yell, and her few soft moments were powerful, such as making the Doctor stop observing the death of the Spider lady and her children. I also like that she isn't a 20 year old with a crush. I liked the Doctor and Rose, even as a couple, but I am glad to see someone that doesn't go weak at the knees for the Doctor on cue.

The Doctor: As always, DT is wonderful. I also liked the tie-in with Rose. This episode picked up right after the Doctor's tears on the Tardis; of course he is still missing her.

The Humor: The episode was hilarious. I was cracking up at several points, and it was a good time all around. The show cannot be all drama all of the time, so this was a great way to start a season (that if the spoilers are true) will likely be fantastic.

The Bad:

The Plastic Aliens: Enough already. I thought they were cheesy and stupid in Rose. I realize these were a slightly different kind, but dummies as villains don't do it for me. I tolerated them in the Christmas Invasion, but they came back. No more. They look dumb and are not scary. Can we move on?

The Spider Lady's voice: I'm not yet sure if it was her lines or her voice but one of them kept destroying the moment for me. Her "the little man is funny" made me cringe. Her makeup was fine (although I hate spiders), but she bothered me. It looks like she won't be back. Good.

Overall . . . 9/10. A great episode that I will rewatch tonight. It's worth losing the sleep.

ShadowMaat
July 6th, 2007, 07:25 PM
The "My children!" scene went on too long and the screamed phrase was repeated a little too often for my tastes, but I did like the ep and I do like Donna. Hopefully she'll have smartened up a bit when next we see her.

What's her accent supposed to be? Other than English, thank you. :P I didn't notice it first time around but it distracted me once or twice tonight.

Trek_Girl42
July 6th, 2007, 07:27 PM
The Spider Lady's voice: I'm not yet sure if it was her lines or her voice but one of them kept destroying the moment for me. Her "the little man is funny" made me cringe. Her makeup was fine (although I hate spiders), but she bothered me. It looks like she won't be back. Good.

Her voice was weird for me too.....though I think because it kept reminding me of Nog from Deep Space Nine. :P

MasySyma
July 6th, 2007, 08:18 PM
The "My children!" scene went on too long and the screamed phrase was repeated a little too often for my tastes.

Yes. I realize that they wanted us to sympathize with the Spider Lady's plight, but given that her children would eat all of us, I can't say that I felt horribly sorry for her (Perhaps because I hate spiders). The Doctor did offer her a peaceful way out first.

Mamid
July 7th, 2007, 01:37 AM
He gives you one chance. If you don't take it, you will pay.

Anyway, I thought the Queen was done by the same actress who played Augra in The Dark Crystal. She wasn't. :(

jds1982
July 7th, 2007, 03:47 AM
The spider lady reminded me of the wire, annoying.

docballen
July 7th, 2007, 01:02 PM
OK it's been shown in America, too.

DT's Doctor is in for a great deal of frustration with Donna. She didn't really do anything but scream and boss him around-- in Martha's first episode
she gave him CPR to bring him back to life, and she also operated the x-ray machine

Maybe the Doctor needs someone to make tea?

At the beginning of this thread there are quite a few posts where people say they're glad she's not a companion. Hmmmmmm.

ShadowMaat
July 7th, 2007, 01:10 PM
Time will tell. I imagine she's done a fair bit of growing up between then and now (whenever "now" will be).

Frankly I think it's kinda fun to have someone around who argues with the Doctor. It'll make a refreshing change from the lovestruck obedience of Rose and Martha. ...Unless Donna's come down with the same disease they had. *sigh*

Alipeeps
July 11th, 2007, 10:45 AM
What's her accent supposed to be? Other than English, thank you. :P I didn't notice it first time around but it distracted me once or twice tonight.

Who, Donna's? My geography of Southern UK accents isn't exactly precise but it's a London accent... possibly South London?


Her voice was weird for me too.....though I think because it kept reminding me of Nog from Deep Space Nine. :P

Perhaps it's a side effect of talking with those kind of prosthetic teeth in? The Rachnos Queen's teeth were rather Ferengi-like... :D

Reefgirl
July 11th, 2007, 11:19 AM
Donna was supposed to be from Chiswick which is West London (I was actually born there but lived most of my life under the flightpath at Heathrow.) Her accent's not spot on for West London but near as dammit

Lightbane
July 15th, 2007, 07:11 AM
That was one damned weird freaky episode that doesn't seem to have been aired in the UK as its not on the BBC website's Doctor Who episode list

ShadowMaat
July 15th, 2007, 09:25 AM
Umm... it was definitely aired in the UK. Don't know how the BBC labels their eps, but this might count as a "Christmas Special" rather than an actual series ep. *shrug* Or you just missed it. ;)

Madeleine
July 15th, 2007, 11:40 AM
Bottom right (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/episodes/2006/index.shtml)

nx01a
August 8th, 2008, 05:20 PM
WE LOVE YOU, DONNA!!!!!!:PYou were a great companion even from the very beginning!

Devid
November 13th, 2008, 10:45 PM
I really love to watch this episodes..Truly this episode is Batter than Last Year..

gateship15
November 13th, 2008, 10:52 PM
this was a great episode and donna was ok as a companion of the doctor

Coco Pops
November 22nd, 2008, 11:03 PM
I have been looking in the whole of the Doctor Who forum but I can't find the post, but didn't someone comment on the Doctor making it snow to show off in front of Donna and that the TARDIS taking off vertically was some weird symbolism....

I keep feeling I read that here on gateworld

gateship15
November 24th, 2008, 12:39 AM
really i got the showing off thing but i didn't know the other thing that's interesting

pbellosom
November 24th, 2008, 07:20 AM
I rewatched this episode again last night. After series four I seemed to enjoy it a lot more

medusacascade
December 3rd, 2008, 07:24 AM
Hiya, new to this thread *waves* I loved the makeup on the spiderlady, she looked a bit like my ex mother in law :D Seriously, though, I could (and do) watch this epi over and over again, it's a bit scary even for me and I'm always half expecting the Doctor to let her drown this time. Almost an edge of the seat 'go on!!!!'

Coco Pops
December 3rd, 2008, 02:18 PM
Hiya, new to this thread *waves* I loved the makeup on the spiderlady, she looked a bit like my ex mother in law :D Seriously, though, I could (and do) watch this epi over and over again, it's a bit scary even for me and I'm always half expecting the Doctor to let her drown this time. Almost an edge of the seat 'go on!!!!'


What I love was the interaction at the start. When Donna first appears in the TARDIS the "what' and then he explains "you're in the TARDIS" and she goes "the what" It was just so brilliantly done.

I guess when she had those particles injected into her via the coffee, that's how she became Doctor Donna. There's a line to that effect.

But why does Doctor who use terms like "creation" ie: "you're the most important woman in creation" and when they were at the Shadow Proclamation someone I think tells her that she's something new in creation?

gateship15
December 3rd, 2008, 10:20 PM
great episode fantastic even and doctor who most probably says creation because she is the only one she was the only key and the only doctor Donna. it also sounds impressive

Coco Pops
December 3rd, 2008, 10:58 PM
great episode fantastic even and doctor who most probably says creation because she is the only one she was the only key and the only doctor Donna. it also sounds impressive


I know it sounds impressive :)

I just got all metaphysical about myself and wondered if maybe those words are used because of some spiritual angle...

gateship15
December 3rd, 2008, 11:09 PM
could be who knows it is possible.

maneth
July 5th, 2012, 08:24 AM
I enjoyed the premise of the story a lot and great to see the shooting santas back. That said, I'm glad Donna was only around for one ep...

maneth
August 15th, 2014, 10:02 AM
Hmmm.... How was that again? :lol: