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ShadowMaat
December 4th, 2006, 07:43 PM
I know a lot of folks are playing around with the idea of Niki having a split personality, but A) that would be an un-Heroic real world explanation and B) Jessi really existed.

The pet theory I'm coddling at the moment is that both sisters had powers: Jessi had the ability to "project" herself into other people and projected herself into Niki shortly before dying... only to discover that Niki had a power, too: super-strength.

Of course, the problem with this is that if Jessi had the power to possess other people, why not simply possess Daddy Dearest and prevent him from hurting anyone? And how come Niki can't remember all the things her father did unless Jess had possessed her before?

I love poking holes in my own theories. ;)

Incidentally, we do agree that Jessi was real, right? I mean, there was a gravestone and Dad had to go to jail for something (he was in jail, right?) and people can remember seeing her... so why is she now showing up inside Niki? Anyone have any workable theories about her? The more I think about it the more I think I am far, far off the mark.

Cat_the_Alien
December 4th, 2006, 08:38 PM
Jessica was real, and now she's dead. (That's what I got from last week's episode, I haven't seen the one that's on right now.) I'm thinking Nikki's power might somehow be related to the dead... like she becomes a conduit for spirits with un-finished business? Either that, or its somehow related to being twins, which are genetically fascinating (and a theme in Heroes is genetics).

Mefusta
December 4th, 2006, 09:13 PM
It's just a classic state of dissociative identity disorder. Let's look at what we know: Within Nikki there are two personalities; Nikki and 'Jessica'. The person we know as 'Jessica' is obviously dominant ego-state within Nikki's mind [given she was always aware of the split-personality] and is far more stronger-willed than Nikki has ever shown herself to be. Furthermore, it would weem that Nikki is only able to access her super-strength when 'Jessica' is in control.

This would fit with the way this alternate personality was born: With such a traumatic childhood, it's not hard to believe that Nikki would create another personality, a stronger personality, to deal with what she was experiencing. In fact, it's worth noting that traumatic childhoods are quite common in cases of DID. Moreover, since we may conclude that Nikki witnessed the death of her sister, it is possible that the newly-created ego-state would take on the mannerisms, indeed the very identity, of Jessica. Given that this personality was created to be a stronger-willed individual, this also lends to 'Jessica's' ability to control Nikki's super-strength. Finally, the memory-loss Nikki experiences when 'Jessica' is in control further supports this theory, with amnesia being one of the most recognisable elements of multiple personality disorder.

Now, while she may indentify herself as Jessica, unless the show is going to introduce the notion that Jessica had some crazy power to possess other people, we can safely conclude that Nikki's alternate ego-state is not the real Jessica. No ghosts, no possessions, just a serious mental disorder. Unless there's blatant evidence as to the real Jessica somehow having the ability to transcend the grave, DID seems to be the most appropriate explanation for Nikki's aberrant behaviour.


Edit: Here's the Wiki page on Dissociative Identity Disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder) to show you i'm not talking out my arse here, however blatantly it may appear so. :p

DEM
December 4th, 2006, 09:48 PM
I've heard this 'DID is not heroic' opinion a lot, and I still don't get it. NikiN's power isn't DID; her power is superstrength and DID is a disability (I think).

That said, I'm deliberately not thinking about a theory beyond that because, at the moment, I'm bummed out by the new thought that the writers are already making stuff up as they go along. :S

Astrofighter
December 4th, 2006, 10:28 PM
im glad she finally stood up to jessica, whom doesnt actually care about micha shes showed that by tossing him into a rock pile

should be interesting to see what happens when she gets arrested and where that will lead, guessing jessica will take over and break her out of jail or something and she'll have to learn to control her

silence
December 5th, 2006, 12:54 AM
i agree Jessica was real... i am basing that on reaction of their father.
big sister that took care of little sister type of thing, but she payed with her life..

and powers run deep in that family. (yeah, sue me George Lucas) ;)

eri-chan
December 5th, 2006, 03:43 AM
there was a character in the marvel verse... still dunno if she's around but her codename was M. initially m was made up of 2 twins and from that union, m had a myraid of powers that each the twins possessed. and one of the twins was autistic too... so there'd be times when m was autistic. then the real one eventually came along and stuff happened.

but yeah i kinda think jessica and niki are a bit like that. its not another personality like mpd but i think jessica is genuinely jessica inhabiting/merged with niki's body. or maybe what someone above mentioned, jessica jumped into niki's body before she died. or something like that...

anyway for more info on m... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_%28comics%29

classygirl
December 7th, 2006, 02:56 PM
I would have to agree with that theory of two sisters inhibiting one body. Niki is the sister who is alive. Jessica is the sister who died some horrible wrongful death. Her spirit inhibited her sister's body to help her fight kick ass. Heh. That's what I think happened.

Kirath
December 7th, 2006, 09:02 PM
It's not uncommom for siblings especially twins to be connected through or have similar powers. Its possible their latent abilities allowed a part of Jessica to live on inside of Nikki and with their powers awakening Jessica is "waking up". she using times of stress or times when Nikki is unconscious to take over Nikki's body not unlike a goauld. Micah is a pretty smart kid. i think if she was just mentally unstable he would be able it figure out but he responds to and talks about her as if Jessica is a completey different person. his own powers may allow him to sense the differnce between them.

ShadowMaat
December 8th, 2006, 05:14 AM
So does this mean Micah has two mommies? ;)

MarshAngel
December 8th, 2006, 11:51 AM
I've heard this 'DID is not heroic' opinion a lot, and I still don't get it. NikiN's power isn't DID; her power is superstrength and DID is a disability (I think).

That said, I'm deliberately not thinking about a theory beyond that because, at the moment, I'm bummed out by the new thought that the writers are already making stuff up as they go along. :S

I think what's meant is that Niki does, in fact, have superstrength but she has had no reason to use it or even be aware of having it because Jessica takes care of all the big problems in her life. Niki is just a mentally ill person who happened to develop abilities, bound to happen as there is an overabundance of mentally ill people out there.

I think, even if Jessica turns out to be inhabiting Niki's body, they don't have separate abilities. If evolution is the basis then the powers are of the body and Jessica is simply using Niki's own gift.

It's also clear that this has been happening for a long time and yet Niki has only recently become aware of it and I'm curious why that is? Why now? and now that she is aware of it, is she going to fight her own battles or let Jess do the dirty work?

silence
December 8th, 2006, 12:27 PM
It's also clear that this has been happening for a long time and yet Niki has only recently become aware of it and I'm curious why that is? Why now? and now that she is aware of it, is she going to fight her own battles or let Jess do the dirty work?

I think last ep was about her getting control back... and i think she will. DL and Micah scenes point to that direction. I think breaking point was when she pushed Micah...

I also think kid played at that, that he knew Jessica will push him and that only way to get his mom back is to show to her that Jessica is danger to Micah also, so give her reason to fight Jessica.

Doze
December 8th, 2006, 12:54 PM
I look at Niki/ Jessica being the same as Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde from ‘The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen’. Both will work for good if they can get something out of it.

jds1982
December 10th, 2006, 06:12 PM
It's just a classic state of dissociative identity disorder. Let's look at what we know: Within Nikki there are two personalities; Nikki and 'Jessica'. The person we know as 'Jessica' is obviously dominant ego-state within Nikki's mind [given she was always aware of the split-personality] and is far more stronger-willed than Nikki has ever shown herself to be. Furthermore, it would weem that Nikki is only able to access her super-strength when 'Jessica' is in control.

This would fit with the way this alternate personality was born: With such a traumatic childhood, it's not hard to believe that Nikki would create another personality, a stronger personality, to deal with what she was experiencing. In fact, it's worth noting that traumatic childhoods are quite common in cases of DID. Moreover, since we may conclude that Nikki witnessed the death of her sister, it is possible that the newly-created ego-state would take on the mannerisms, indeed the very identity, of Jessica. Given that this personality was created to be a stronger-willed individual, this also lends to 'Jessica's' ability to control Nikki's super-strength. Finally, the memory-loss Nikki experiences when 'Jessica' is in control further supports this theory, with amnesia being one of the most recognisable elements of multiple personality disorder.

Now, while she may indentify herself as Jessica, unless the show is going to introduce the notion that Jessica had some crazy power to possess other people, we can safely conclude that Nikki's alternate ego-state is not the real Jessica. No ghosts, no possessions, just a serious mental disorder. Unless there's blatant evidence as to the real Jessica somehow having the ability to transcend the grave, DID seems to be the most appropriate explanation for Nikki's aberrant behaviour.


Edit: Here's the Wiki page on Dissociative Identity Disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder) to show you i'm not talking out my arse here, however blatantly it may appear so. :p

I think you hit the nail on the head there. We have seen absolutely no evidence that "Jessica" had the power to posses people, now while that certainly doesn't mean she didn't, it seems like a much simpler and more likely explanation that Niki simply has DID. She has all the symptoms of DID and a history that corellates well with others who have multiples.

Xanderic
December 10th, 2006, 06:30 PM
1) I think Jessica was real. Else what is 6 feet under Jessica Sanders' gravestone? As such, I don't think Jessica is DID.

2) I think Jessica will be able to come out of Niki again and will be able to break out of jail. DL's name will somehow be cleared but it's highly unlikely that Jessica is going to change anytime soon.

3) Jessica has the RNA symbol. Either being dormant in Niki has matured her power or HRG somehow captured her.

4) I'm pretty sure Niki is Micah's mother. I'd be freaked if I had a mother like Jessica. Micah's like Niki, passive not agressive.

5) I think Niki wasn't aware of Jessica when she was a child. Jessica managed to keep herself "hidden" from Niki so that Niki could have a normal childhood.

6) I'm not sure if both sisters have powers. But Jessica has Superstrength in every sense of the word. I mean, physically, and psychologically. She has more strength than Niki and therefore can take over her body whenever Niki was weak.

jds1982
December 11th, 2006, 07:57 AM
I'm not saying that there wasn't a real Jessica, I just don't think that the Jessica we have seen is the real Jessica's ghost controlling her sister. I believe it to be an alter personality who took to calling herself Jessica and probably even thinks she is Niki's dead sister. There are cases of people thinking they're Jesus, so why can't an alter think she's a dead girl?

Cat_the_Alien
December 11th, 2006, 10:29 AM
Nikki/Jessica don't fit all the symptoms for DID. Nikki is aware of Jessica, and even has conversations with her. At first, they were just conversations in reflections, but in 1x11, she appears while Nikki is on the ground. These hallucinations are typical of schizophrenia, which is not co-morbid with DID (people don't present with both schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder).

I'm still not convinced that Nikki has a mental disorder, nor am I sure what her deal is though.

jds1982
December 11th, 2006, 04:08 PM
Nikki/Jessica don't fit all the symptoms for DID. Nikki is aware of Jessica, and even has conversations with her. At first, they were just conversations in reflections, but in 1x11, she appears while Nikki is on the ground. These hallucinations are typical of schizophrenia, which is not co-morbid with DID (people don't present with both schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder).

I'm still not convinced that Nikki has a mental disorder, nor am I sure what her deal is though.

While hallucinations are part of schizophrenia they are also part of a great many other mental disorders. The fact that Niki is aware of Jessica doesn't mean it's not DID, in fact there are alters that are aware of each other.

Xanderic
December 11th, 2006, 05:51 PM
It would be nice if the Producers clarified what Niki sans Jessica really are.

Zeromax
May 19th, 2007, 03:19 PM
I think that Jessica isn't a real person at all I think it's just a side of Niki created after Jessica's death. Niki probably used that side of her when her father abused them and thats probably why Jessica was killed and not Niki. Niki must of forgot while her side of Jessica as she grown because she didn't have to defend herself anymore and now that she has to try and save her family Jessica has come back and Niki doesn't remeber because while in her state of Jessica it was like a total black out.

But my theory had changed once I saw a preview of episode 23 because I saw two Niki's one is suspose to be Niki and the other Jessica. That cofused me until I thought of Candice and how she can cast illusions. Plus they fight in lindermans office, a few floors above from Candice and Micah. Maybe she heard the shots and went to the floor and saw Niki and D.L.. I know this is a little out ther but what if she appeared to be Jessica because she knows that Niki is afraid of Jessica. It sounds very odd but they know everything about the sanders past, present, and future thatnks to issac's paintings.
Or I could just be wrong but this is what I think

Buddhawasanancient
May 19th, 2007, 04:10 PM
I think that Jessica isn't a real person at all I think it's just a side of Niki created after Jessica's death. Niki probably used that side of her when her father abused them and thats probably why Jessica was killed and not Niki. Niki must of forgot while her side of Jessica as she grown because she didn't have to defend herself anymore and now that she has to try and save her family Jessica has come back and Niki doesn't remeber because while in her state of Jessica it was like a total black out.

But my theory had changed once I saw a preview of episode 23 because I saw two Niki's one is suspose to be Niki and the other Jessica. That cofused me until I thought of Candice and how she can cast illusions. Plus they fight in lindermans office, a few floors above from Candice and Micah. Maybe she heard the shots and went to the floor and saw Niki and D.L.. I know this is a little out ther but what if she appeared to be Jessica because she knows that Niki is afraid of Jessica. It sounds very odd but they know everything about the sanders past, present, and future thatnks to issac's paintings.
Or I could just be wrong but this is what I think

I agree it's probably Candace that she's fighting with...

the fifth man
May 19th, 2007, 08:35 PM
I agree it's probably Candace that she's fighting with...

I definitely think that is the case. And if it is, Candice won't last too long.

LiquidKal
May 19th, 2007, 09:03 PM
When I saw the preview of 2 Nikki's fighting I thought it might be Nikki and Jessica fighting for supremacy of their body. We see it as 2 individuals fighting but its actually just an internal struggle in their mind. We've seen Nikki/Jessica displayed on screen as two separate entities before. Like when Jessica was standing up and calling out for Micah while Nikki was lying on the ground. Or in the staircase when Matt heard them we saw Nikki further up the stairs speaking to Jessica as if they were separated, but it's just in their head.

We also know from Five Years Gone that at some point Jessica disappeared. Perhaps this is when it happens. They fight and Nikki wins gaining control of her strength ability in the process.