ori ships sheild the same as atlantis?

[ur uncle urgo]

this has been bugging me for a while now how do we no that the ori are so good. atlantis with one zpm lasted against ten hives and i think that may be comprable to the attack from the fleet. we would never be able to detect a reduction in sheild strength because ancient shields work at 100% till the power is depleted. maybe its one zpm powering the ship instead of project arcutus please some one explain why they are so good if they can.

[mlund05]

some people claim they are. Im not so sure they are cause the atlantis shields seem to be white and showing all the time, whereas the ori shields (at least to me anyway) seem more blue than white and are only visible when hit.

[PG15]

I'm pretty sure they're not the same kind of shields. Think about it, one was made by Ascended Ori, while the other was made by unascended Lantians; completely different origins.

That is, unless there's only one "ultimate" type of strong shields, which IMHO is highly unlikely.

[Lightbane]

Well the city shields are different then ship shields so maybe thats why they are always visible

[SoulReaver]

whereas the ori shields (at least to me anyway) seem more blue than white

ori shields are pure white (that's white -)

[ziga1980]

shields in atlantis are visible all the time because if the city flies then they have to hold it together. as i understand it atlantis cant fly without shields. a ship can. that's why atlantis shields are visible all the time. ant they are BLUE and the ori shields are WHITE.

[TheReturnOfTheLantian]

well m8 if you think about it. When the Lantians left the ori galaxy because of war the Lantian was in their tech but the Ori was in there Belieth and how do we no that the Ori had all this Tech already?? maybe when the Lantians ascended they took all thier Knolage of the Universe and passed it to everyone who Ascended

[Buba uognarf]

this has been bugging me for a while now how do we no that the ori are so good. atlantis with one zpm lasted against ten hives and i think that may be comprable to the attack from the fleet. we would never be able to detect a reduction in sheild strength because ancient shields work at 100% till the power is depleted. maybe its one zpm powering the ship instead of project arcutus please some one explain why they are so good if they can.

10 hives and there escorts pump out far more firepower than the fleet at the supergate! 10 hives plus 30 cruisers would have whipped the allied fleet just as badly as the Ori, also the allied forces at the supergate had their firepower split between 4 ships the Wraith were all firing on the same ship...

Both Ori and Atlantis shields are white, they have similar origins so it's understandable that they are similar. Really it all boils down to who has the better powersource and whether a bunch of medival villagers can build the equal of the ancients greatest acheivement...

[SaberBlade]

I think the Ancient designed shields of Atlantis would be more powerful, more advanced and therefor different although they probably come from the same basic design.

It was said in The Fourth Horseman (season 9) that "the Ori grew more and more fervent in their religious belief. The Alterrans for lack of a better way of putting it believed in science"

This would suggest to me that the Ancients were the more scientific of the race, and as such would be the ones more likely to develop the better technology which would also mean better shields.

If Atlantis was to be the most powerful and advanced Ancient design, the crown jewel of the empire then it should be, by far, the most powerful thing they ever created. The Ancients don't even use Beam energy technology but use drones so to me, it shows that the Ancients kept on developing their technology while the Orii shifted away from Science and focused on religion. Even by ascending, it's not likely the Orii gained access to knowledge they never had in the first place so their shields and weapons may be powerful, but Atlantis would take them out if fully powered and fully armed.

[kirmit]

I think the Ancient designed shields of Atlantis would be more powerful, more advanced and therefor different although they probably come from the same basic design.

It was said in The Fourth Horseman (season 9) that "the Ori grew more and more fervent in their religious belief. The Alterrans for lack of a better way of putting it believed in science"

This would suggest to me that the Ancients were the more scientific of the race, and as such would be the ones more likely to develop the better technology which would also mean better shields.

If Atlantis was to be the most powerful and advanced Ancient design, the crown jewel of the empire then it should be, by far, the most powerful thing they ever created. The Ancients don't even use Beam energy technology but use drones so to me, it shows that the Ancients kept on developing their technology while the Orii shifted away from Science and focused on religion. Even by ascending, it's not likely the Orii gained access to knowledge they never had in the first place so their shields and weapons may be powerful, but Atlantis would take them out if fully powered and fully armed.

Just because you're religious does not impiede your technilogical advancement infact as there was so much hate between the ancients and Ori I believe this would drive them to progess even faster than the ancients, the ancients were driven out of their home galaxy by the Ori. Why should Atlantis be the most advanced thing in the universe? If the Ori have knowledge beyond that of the ancients surely it would mean they are more advanced and their shields would be more advanced. Like it or not the Ori have ascended knowledge and their own knowledge that they're using (yes I know being ascended doesn't give you infinite knowledge but it gives you access to it, which I believe the ori would use), knowledge that rightfully should far surpass that of the ancients. Also if anyone wants the stress Atlantis shields are more advanced because of the fluctuation in Ori shields, well we've never seen atlantis fire weapons with the shield raised, it could get the fluctuation aswell.

[SaberBlade]

Even if they hated the Ancients, the Orii wouldn't have been as single minded as to develop technology to wipe out the Ancients.

The Orii would have focused more on religion than science. I'm not saying they cut themselves off from science altogether, but the Ancients would have been single minded and focused on scientific progress rather than relgious like the Orii. It's because of this that would suggest the Ancients would have been more powerful. They would have been able to focus on science while the Orii would have concerned themselves with relgion over technology.

If the Orii wanted to be gods, then ascention may have been the what they were more focused on, along with religion and even normal scientific endeavours but the Ancients wouldn't have been so limited and could have focused everything on science.

If there was so much hate that focused the Orii to develop faster, then it would make sense that the Ancients knew about this hate and developed things which would protect them, which would mean developing the most powerful defensive shields ever in order to protect themselves from Orii ships and weapons. If you want to wipe someone out, like Orii want to do, you don't tend to focus on defence but offence, and this would motive the ancients to develop better shields and even better weapons to match their rivals.

[kirmit]

true but if you saw an enemy blocking all your fire and just shooting you down before you could drain their shields you'd upgrade your shields to atleast match theirs, otherwise you'd just lose ships by the dozens and as it seems the ori reigned supreme in the ancients home galaxy I think they must've been able to do some pretty decent damage to the ancients.

[SaberBlade]

yeah, but the Ancients and the Orii weren't in constant contact, all they could do is live their lives normally and just develop technology in their own time. Under these conditions, the Ancients would have focused on technology, making the best shields, weapons and other offensive and defensive as possible while the Orii would have focused more on religion, while still advancing their own technology.

It's because of this I think the Ancients would have been more advanced. No matter what the reasons, if a person, nation or entire culture is focused on scientific advanced while another is focused on religion, then the scientifically advanced should be the more powerful even if the start off the same because they can focus all their attention to science.

This is even more true depending on the relgious beliefs, because it could effectively mean no more scientific advancement for the Orii if what they were interested in was becoming gods and ascending. The Orii technology could be millions of years out of date compared to Ancient technology because they were focusing on evolving themselves rather than their technology.

[Peoples_General]

Okay...

First off, you need to view these guys in a more "Chinese" sort of fashion. The Chinese believe that everything is connected... science, spirituality, and etc.

The Ancients and Ori, I believe are a lot like this. That is... Until the Ori became more and more fervent in their spirituality that it became religious fanaticism. But that did not mean that the Ori shunned science at all. So do not think of them as being like us humans with our "Atheists" and our "Religious Fanatics". Believers in the Holy Books (Bible, Quran, Torah, Vedas, and etc.) -vs- Blievers in Science and Fact. That's not whats going on between the Ancients and Ori.

Remember the Ori do not worship gods, and neither do the Ancients. If anything both sides see themselves as gods... and with the Ori being the "worship me or die" while the Ancients think that they are too far above us to be concerned of us mortals.

Both sides have been interested in spirituality. Take the Temple at Kheb for example where Oma resides, not to mention Chaya/Athar being a priestess, and was also quite interested to know about Earth's religions and philosophies.

[kirmit]

yeah, but the Ancients and the Orii weren't in constant contact, all they could do is live their lives normally and just develop technology in their own time. Under these conditions, the Ancients would have focused on technology, making the best shields, weapons and other offensive and defensive as possible while the Orii would have focused more on religion, while still advancing their own technology.

It's because of this I think the Ancients would have been more advanced. No matter what the reasons, if a person, nation or entire culture is focused on scientific advanced while another is focused on religion, then the scientifically advanced should be the more powerful even if the start off the same because they can focus all their attention to science.

This is even more true depending on the relgious beliefs, because it could effectively mean no more scientific advancement for the Orii if what they were interested in was becoming gods and ascending. The Orii technology could be millions of years out of date compared to Ancient technology because they were focusing on evolving themselves rather than their technology.

From what we've seen the ancients were pacifists, they weren't experts at warring, as far as we know they only ever fought one war and lost miserably in that. So why advance dramatically in weapons and defences? They had no reason to as the only enemy they had before the wraith was the ori and they were galaxies away. The ori on the other hand are very warlike, they have a reason to advance, people who don't believe in what they believe must be destroyed, any retaliation would soon be dealt with using superior technology. It's obvious the Ori didn't just ascend and suddenly were a really aggressive race and suddenly wanted to destroyed the ancients again after millions of years. They must've kept the ancients constantly inmind, so in that case you'd continue to advance in all fields, to be superior to your enemy in everyway, not the quote the borg but resistance is futile. This is all before they ascended aswell, now they're ascended and have access to even greater advances that they're sharing with their followers. IMO you can't compare pre ascended shields to post ascended shields, even if the ori were inferior on the mortal plain they'd be more advanced now because ancient technology is 10,000 years old.