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Mitchell82
January 26th, 2007, 11:23 PM
Did they ever salvage the jumper from "Grace Under Pressure"? I would think if it was feasible, they would do if nothing else than to figure out precisely what went wrong...

It was never elaborated as to wether they did or not. Still it might be possible, given that the water was gone.

~Benjamin~
January 27th, 2007, 03:02 AM
wow i personally loved this episode , you kno they havnt had a wraith in the show atleast 11 episodes (commonground) this season shows alot more about Atlantis then the missions which is good i supose

the queen played her part really good , she was scary and was in control
(cant believe ronon missed!)
what can i say about teyla the psychic powers came in handy i supose but after the first time i wouldnt let her try again.

we finally have a perminent power source which means no looking about for ZPMs ! (until it gets blown up or something :rolleyes: )

anyway i liked this episode and it gets **** stars

The Engineer
January 27th, 2007, 05:08 AM
A horror movie-like episode with red T-shirts.

Aussie_Fan
January 27th, 2007, 05:27 AM
It was a pretty alright episode. It kinda seems like the writers are putting all their energy into sending SG1 out with a bame and kinda just putting out Atlantis eps without thinking much. But it does look like they are putting a lot of thought about season 4 and the direction so fingers crossed, eh?

On to the actual episode now :P

It was great to see a wraith again! I agree that the whole Teyla thing was a sloppy attempt at making her character look good. But hey, something's better then nothing, right? Weir felt a bit out of place.. What was with her calling John 'Colonel'? Hopefully they aren't trying to make their relationship not so personal. Loved Ronan shooting the glass on the front of the puddle jumper! Beautiful effect there with the water going over John.. Then the shot of the Queen unconsious down the corridor was freaky.

Was it just me, or did the scientist with the glasses who died first look like Lorne? Can't remember his name, lol.

lostinspace
January 27th, 2007, 08:21 AM
Hmm. I finally caught this and have to admit I'm getting fed up at having to suspend disbelief and continuity -- again and again. I know it's not been SGA's strength, but I'm feeling that S3 lacks a certain cohesiveness/arc to it. Even SG-1's final season has managed to tie their eps together better.

What I liked:
1) Teyla - Yay for a key role (for once!), with a smart twist at the end. I do wish though that they'd explore different aspects of Teyla b/c this whole can you/can you not do the Wraith mind meld thing has been done before, with The Gift and Misbegotten.

2) Wraith - Welcome back! Much like the Common Ground wraith, we got a little chance to explore the "individual" aspect, this time with the Queen.

3) Shep/Ronon and Shep/McKay - Both of these pairings continue to work well. If you "whump" them though, I'd like to see some real injuries or blood!

4) Zelenka, McKay and the scientists - great introduction and interaction

What they lacked:
1) Carson - Remember the "best friend" whom you just lost recently?

2) Elizabeth - It seems she's taken Carson's place as a "filler" role to justify her place in the credits. There was no reason at all for her to be there, along with the other top two expedition leaders.

3) Military presence - So Shep goes on a risky underwater trip with a team of scientists and "Pegasus natives" with no earth military backup? Do they still report to the SGC or have they become the Atlantis Colony?

Blitz
January 27th, 2007, 09:37 AM
I liked it

Teyla doing the mind thing at the end to trick the queen was smart. You have no other options so you try your last attempt. Made sense to me :)

Liked the whole under water mining thing. It didnt look Atlantian on the ouside, but internal it did - like aurora class :)

I also don't have a problem with them not mentioning Carson. TBH - they wouldnt of been going on this mission exactly a day later after the death. Probably a week or few more SO to mention him would just be a token mention.

I personally see no way they could of integrated it into the story. (And I loved Carson) but it would of just felt like token mention.

Night Spring
January 27th, 2007, 09:39 AM
Actually, Daniel was only mentioned in the scene between Sam and Teal'c near the beginning of the episode. The later mentiones were thanks to Osiris, which fitted the situation. I know this since I just checked the episode transcript.
If I remember correctly, there was also a scene between Sam and Jack where Sam is like "But we just lost Daniel!" and Jack is like "We lose people all the time" and Sam is like "But it's *Daniel*" There was also the scene between Hammond and Jack where Jack asks for a new mission, and Hammond is like "Are you sure?" and Jack says something to the effect of "It's better to just keep going." Then, there's the two non-verbal scenes. One, Jack cleaning his weapon on board their ship. There's no word, but Jack's grief is palapable. Then, at the end, as the team is leaving the base to go have dinner, there's a strange gust of wind that comes out of nowhere and ruffles Jacks hair, and he smiles.

I can think of a dozen different ways they could have worked in Carson and the team's grief at his loss into this episode, without interrupting the flow of the overall story. And the more I think about it, the more upset I am they didn't take the time to do so. Such a waste.

obsessed1
January 27th, 2007, 10:58 AM
i quite liked this ep. It felt a bit off in the pacing for some reason but otherwise enjoyable and WET SHEP!!!! MY GOD!!!! that scene alone was just..........guhh.........dribbles......

But some good character moments, although i would have liked to have had a mention of Carson., and some nice tense moments with the wraith queen. Only two more to go though until we get to see what state season four is going to be in.......eek!

Southern Red
January 27th, 2007, 11:03 AM
This was a pretty enjoyable team episode if you consider everyone a potential member of a "team". In other words, Elizabeth, Radek and assorted scientists had just as much reason to be there as Shep and McKay and certainly more than Ronon and Teyla unless they were being used just as security. It's in the fine tradition of SciFi to send all your best and brightest on away missions. These are the stars. We want to see them doing stuff, and Elizabeth certainly gets to do ridiculously little as it is. Her fans have been begging for her to go on more missions. Thanks Ken, for thinking of her for this one.

I agree with those who have said this mindmeld thing with Teyla is getting old. First they don't know what to do with her. Now they go back to the same old same old. I wish they would explore her Wraith side rather than just having her in the convenient role of mindreader. The scenes with her and Elizabeth were wonderful. They seem to have a great friendship and rapport. But with the proposed changes in S4 it looks like that won't go anywhere. Can't wait to see how Teyla adjusts to Sam Carter. Will we get the big reset and make them best buds after about a week or will Teyla once again have no woman friend to relate to?

Somehow IMO in this one the humor fell flat. I'd like to think they were feeling a little down after losing Carson. I'd like to, but it wasn't mentioned so...hmmm? Sheppard and McKay just seemed to be going through the motion of exchanging snarky lines without much feeling. Maybe I'm the one who was down and didn't get it. :confused:

The jumper scene in the beginning was priceless. Mom and Dad up front. Kids misbehaving in back. Dad as disciplinarian. Mom was in her happy place. Loved it. And excuse me for saying so, but this sort of thing is why the Shep/Weir ship would work without turning it into a soap opera in any way. Why can't TPTB see that? The same with the cute "you're with me-I'm with you" scene. Screen chemistry in the midst of an away mission that doesn't hit anyone upside the head. And also the "uncomfortable" moment with Ronon/Teyla. More chemistry at its best. Maybe this was a subtle hint that he's the one Teyla likes. After all, wouldn't the Wraith queen have known what was in her mind? Thanks again Ken.

The plan was great and well executed by all. Who says these people are dumb? They have to get in trouble or we'd all get bored. LOL. At least it's fun to watch them get out of it.

All in all a good solid episode.

Mitchell82
January 27th, 2007, 11:44 AM
Hmm. I finally caught this and have to admit I'm getting fed up at having to suspend disbelief and continuity -- again and again. I know it's not been SGA's strength, but I'm feeling that S3 lacks a certain cohesiveness/arc to it. Even SG-1's final season has managed to tie their eps together better.

What I liked:
1) Teyla - Yay for a key role (for once!), with a smart twist at the end. I do wish though that they'd explore different aspects of Teyla b/c this whole can you/can you not do the Wraith mind meld thing has been done before, with The Gift and Misbegotten.

2) Wraith - Welcome back! Much like the Common Ground wraith, we got a little chance to explore the "individual" aspect, this time with the Queen.

3) Shep/Ronon and Shep/McKay - Both of these pairings continue to work well. If you "whump" them though, I'd like to see some real injuries or blood!

4) Zelenka, McKay and the scientists - great introduction and interaction

What they lacked:
1) Carson - Remember the "best friend" whom you just lost recently?

2) Elizabeth - It seems she's taken Carson's place as a "filler" role to justify her place in the credits. There was no reason at all for her to be there, along with the other top two expedition leaders.

3) Military presence - So Shep goes on a risky underwater trip with a team of scientists and "Pegasus natives" with no earth military backup? Do they still report to the SGC or have they become the Atlantis Colony?

I don't feel that the lack of Carson was that bad. They did a great job tieing that up in Sunday. I feel that your take on Elizabeth is unfair. She went b/c she was curious and has a right to go on any mission she chooses. There was no need for a military pressence on a scientific mission except the ones who went. No need to go on a mission like that with full military backup. Just my two cents.

Vixen
January 27th, 2007, 12:22 PM
A nice episode. The scene of the queen's awakening was neat. :) She was pretty cool. Loved the scene with her and Sheppard in the jumper. But I didn't really like how she was killed off.
I enjoyed seeing everyone from the team. Found the dialogue between the scientists in the beginning of the episode a little boring but most of what followed was better. The moments between Elizabeth and Teyla were good, well placed.
I also enjoy watching how John and Elizabeth interact. They work well together.

I don't blame Elizabeth for wanting to go along with the expedition. Perhaps she had never been on a mission under the waters of the planet before and she was simply curious. She also knows the Ancient language pretty well, so another reason why it made sense that she came.

PG15
January 27th, 2007, 12:27 PM
If I remember correctly, there was also a scene between Sam and Jack where Sam is like "But we just lost Daniel!" and Jack is like "We lose people all the time" and Sam is like "But it's *Daniel*" There was also the scene between Hammond and Jack where Jack asks for a new mission, and Hammond is like "Are you sure?" and Jack says something to the effect of "It's better to just keep going." Then, there's the two non-verbal scenes. One, Jack cleaning his weapon on board their ship. There's no word, but Jack's grief is palapable. Then, at the end, as the team is leaving the base to go have dinner, there's a strange gust of wind that comes out of nowhere and ruffles Jacks hair, and he smiles.

Well first of all, the gust obviously cannot be replicated with Carson (or any other tell-tale signs) since Carson was actually dead.

Second, you're right. I didn't read the transcript correctly. There were 2 scenes; the Sam and Jack scene, and a later Sam and Teal'c scene.


I can think of a dozen different ways they could have worked in Carson and the team's grief at his loss into this episode, without interrupting the flow of the overall story. And the more I think about it, the more upset I am they didn't take the time to do so. Such a waste.

This is interesting; I like to hear these ways you've thought up (without majorly changing the flow of the story).

IMHO, there weren't many scenes where you see our characters just talking; this was very much "an episode in real time" where things just keep happening that out characters need to talk about. In Revelations, the downtime on the cargoship, as well as the scenes before the mission, were free game as to the topic of conversation; not so here.

[SGC_ReplicÅtors]
January 27th, 2007, 02:52 PM
i liked this episode

Heres my good/bad

Good
- Ronan Running into the shield, had a hunch he would do that while sheppard stopped and thought about it.
- Wraith Queen jumped out at Elizabeth while chained/drugged to the table and ronan grabbed her and threw her down.
- Ronan blasting the window....didn't expect that, but thats what happens when the queen jumps out of the way.
- Sheppard turned the chair around and jumped back a little bit seeing the fed on victim.
- Sheppard and Queen in the jumper, man was he so owned, he was the queens bi*** now, making him kneel and dropping his gun.
- Rodneys rambo style in the wraith ship p90ing the queen and saying shes not dieing according to plan...lol
- They all fighting in the jumper when they were coming down in the ocean


Bad
- While didn't she feed on Teyla when she was on the floor(maybe on a tight schedule with the bomb blowing? maybe)
- i missed the feeding scenes i want to see they getting old and shrivilaing and dieing(cutting down on cost?)
- why was there only one wraith shadow? knowing the wraith they love making alot of them to lure you in


thats about it

Night Spring
January 27th, 2007, 03:46 PM
Well first of all, the gust obviously cannot be replicated with Carson (or any other tell-tale signs) since Carson was actually dead.
True, but it was an instance of non-verbal indication of a character, specifically Jack, thinking about Daniel.

There were quite a few places, especially at the beginning of the episode, where the characters were just roaming the hallways of the underwater station, where you could have slipped in dialogue like:
"How are you feeling."
"Okay. I just can't believe Carson is gone."
"Yeah."
[they go back to doing whatever they were doing]

And IMO, the instances where Teyla mind-melded with the Queen, or they were sedating the Queen -- perfect opportunity for someone to go "I wish Carson were here. He'd know how to do this."

Finally, DH could have pulled off the same thing RDA did with the gun-cleaning. Just pick any random moment in the episode and have him get distracted, staring off in space, lost in thought/grief, until Zelenka or John goes "Rodney!" and he goes "hm?" and pretends nothing has happened.

Also, the very end of the episode, with everyone lying around in the crew quarters -- again, a few "nothing to do with plot" minutes that could have been spent in remembrance of Carson and also the two red-shirt scientist they lost in the course of this episode.

Willow'sCat
January 27th, 2007, 03:47 PM
An incredibly boring episode, with really little to say.

Such a let down after the wonder episode last week; consistency people that is all I ask.

And another example of why it is better to have less Weir on the show, she really does not need to be there, it was an odd fit and for me just added to the boredom. :cool:

Also why couldn't McKay have killed the dam Wraith? It is getting so old now, he should be able to take a Wraith down, he shouldn't have to need Sheppard to do it for him. :rolleyes: Oh yeah but that wouldn't be as funny would it? I am surprised he didn't drop the dam gun and scream like a women! [/sarcasm]

PG15
January 27th, 2007, 04:00 PM
There were quite a few places, especially at the beginning of the episode, where the characters were just roaming the hallways of the underwater station, where you could have slipped in dialogue like:
"How are you feeling."
"Okay. I just can't believe Carson is gone."
"Yeah."
[they go back to doing whatever they were doing]

Well, we'll have to disagree here. The Danny stuff took up entire scenes; a tiny blurb about Carson like this one would just be the Langara incident all over again.

Spoilers for SG1's Counterstrike:

Fans complained after Langara, Jonas's home planet, was mentioned as being taken by the Ori in the episode. They said that they could've "easily" kept going and mentioned Jonas, and said more about it.

Remembering Carson is one thing, but namedropping is (IMHO) just insulting and unnecessary, and really, this would've been what happened in this episode given my previous "episode in real time" comment.


And IMO, the instances where Teyla mind-melded with the Queen, or they were sedating the Queen -- perfect opportunity for someone to go "I wish Carson were here. He'd know how to do this."

They knew how to do that. Sedating things aren't that difficult.


Finally, DH could have pulled off the same thing RDA did with the gun-cleaning. Just pick any random moment in the episode and have him get distracted, staring off in space, lost in thought/grief, until Zelenka or John goes "Rodney!" and he goes "hm?" and pretends nothing has happened.

That would've been nice, but very ambiguous. Revelations had the "fortune" of setting the tone of Danny's loss from the very beginning, so moments like the gun-cleaning would've been obviously directed at Danny. With this episode...it wouldn't have been as obvious.


Also, the very end of the episode, with everyone lying around in the crew quarters -- again, a few "nothing to do with plot" minutes that could have been spent in remembrance of Carson and also the two red-shirt scientist they lost in the course of this episode.

Again, IMHO that would've been too late. You try to end a story like this one, where most of it takes place in danger and tension, with a little light-heartedness. *Suddenly* bringing up the memory of a dead friend is not lighthearted.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue. I just can't see how they could've brought up Carson and had it be heartwarming instead of awkward. If this episode had started with the intention of remembering Carson, like Revelations, then yes, a few moments here and there would be par for the course. Alas, this episode had too much story to focus on.

prion
January 27th, 2007, 04:02 PM
I think it was definitely less depth than GUP, for 2 reasons: 1 - suits! and Wraith swimming! 2 - why would the Ancients build a power station below the level their own equipment could reach? There were no other submersibles in the underwater bay in Return II, so there's no indication they used anything other than Jumpers to get down there.


It seems their own equipment could reach the power station as the jumpers did. As for the lack of submersibles (besides the ever-present budget), I would suspect that anybody down there would have gone back up to the city before the evacuation, or that they kept all the ships on Atlantis, and maybe we can still find 'em! ;)


A horror movie-like episode with red T-shirts.

ALL good horror movies have their ample share of 'red-shirts' ;)


An incredibly boring episode, with really little to say.

Such a let down after the wonder episode last week; consistency people that is all I ask.

And another example of why it is better to have less Weir on the show, she really does not need to be there, it was an odd fit and for me just added to the boredom. :cool:

Also why couldn't McKay have killed the dam Wraith? It is getting so old now, he should be able to take a Wraith down, he shouldn't have to need Sheppard to do it for him. :rolleyes: Oh yeah but that wouldn't be as funny would it? I am surprised he didn't drop the dam gun and scream like a women! [/sarcasm]

The wraith queen had just noshed on two red-shirt scientists, so was at her peak - sorta like the wraith in "Defiant One" that Shep shot up but wasn't quite dead yet.

Night Spring
January 27th, 2007, 05:12 PM
If this episode had started with the intention of remembering Carson, like Revelations, then yes, a few moments here and there would be par for the course. Alas, this episode had too much story to focus on.
You bring up a good point with "if this episode had started with the intention of remembering Carson." But I disagree with you about this episode having "too much story" to have room for remembering Carson. I think the remembrance theme could have been interwoven quite nicely among the dramatic events of this episode, *had the writers been committed to doing it.* But alas, they must have thought that the goodbye we had in Sunday was sufficient send-off for Carson. We lose a main cast member and he gets as much send-off as Teyla's "god mother" in Critical Mass. *sigh*

prion
January 27th, 2007, 07:15 PM
You bring up a good point with "if this episode had started with the intention of remembering Carson." But I disagree with you about this episode having "too much story" to have room for remembering Carson. I think the remembrance theme could have been interwoven quite nicely among the dramatic events of this episode, *had the writers been committed to doing it.* But alas, they must have thought that the goodbye we had in Sunday was sufficient send-off for Carson. We lose a main cast member and he gets as much send-off as Teyla's "god mother" in Critical Mass. *sigh*

If, and I repeat IF, SGA is being patterned after SG1 (aka they're sorta stuck in a rut; need to bump off a character, let's do in the doc), Carson should get some mention in "Vengeance," which reportedly has Michael returning. It will be like that episode in SG1 where they villain (Osiris?) asks where's Daniel and Carter goes "he's dead". Well, we'll see, right? TPTB aren't big on dealing with emotions.

Night Spring
January 27th, 2007, 07:54 PM
If, and I repeat IF, SGA is being patterned after SG1 (aka they're sorta stuck in a rut; need to bump off a character, let's do in the doc), Carson should get some mention in "Vengeance," which reportedly has Michael returning. It will be like that episode in SG1 where they villain (Osiris?) asks where's Daniel and Carter goes "he's dead". Well, we'll see, right? TPTB aren't big on dealing with emotions.
"That episode" was Revelations, the episode PG15 and I have been discussing. It was also the next episode after Meridian. So yes, if Carson does get a mention in Vengeance, if they are sticking to the pattern they set in SG-1, the smart thing to do would have been to air it right after Sunday.

Although... do you think Rodney does get the Queen's crusier working, and it plays a part in Vengeance? It'd be kind of funny if Shep does ram it into a hive ship, and Rodney pouts, "I knew it!"

Mitchell82
January 27th, 2007, 11:33 PM
"That episode" was Revelations, the episode PG15 and I have been discussing. It was also the next episode after Meridian. So yes, if Carson does get a mention in Vengeance, if they are sticking to the pattern they set in SG-1, the smart thing to do would have been to air it right after Sunday.

Although... do you think Rodney does get the Queen's crusier working, and it plays a part in Vengeance? It'd be kind of funny if Shep does ram it into a hive ship, and Rodney pouts, "I knew it!"

True mabey Submersion should have had alittle something but i have to side with PG15 on this. I think however Vengence is better suited for it that Submersion.

obsessed1
January 28th, 2007, 09:49 AM
True, but it was an instance of non-verbal indication of a character, specifically Jack, thinking about Daniel.

There were quite a few places, especially at the beginning of the episode, where the characters were just roaming the hallways of the underwater station, where you could have slipped in dialogue like:
"How are you feeling."
"Okay. I just can't believe Carson is gone."
"Yeah."
[they go back to doing whatever they were doing]

And IMO, the instances where Teyla mind-melded with the Queen, or they were sedating the Queen -- perfect opportunity for someone to go "I wish Carson were here. He'd know how to do this."

Finally, DH could have pulled off the same thing RDA did with the gun-cleaning. Just pick any random moment in the episode and have him get distracted, staring off in space, lost in thought/grief, until Zelenka or John goes "Rodney!" and he goes "hm?" and pretends nothing has happened.

Also, the very end of the episode, with everyone lying around in the crew quarters -- again, a few "nothing to do with plot" minutes that could have been spent in remembrance of Carson and also the two red-shirt scientist they lost in the course of this episode.
yeah exactly....something like,
"Im tired of losing people" or something to that effect. I know exactly what you mean and it definately could have been slipped into the episode without interrupting the flow. I think its important for the fans to get some kind of closure and by having him simply mentioned, even once, would have been enough.

obsessed1
January 28th, 2007, 09:51 AM
Well, we'll have to disagree here. The Danny stuff took up entire scenes; a tiny blurb about Carson like this one would just be the Langara incident all over again.

Spoilers for SG1's Counterstrike:

Fans complained after Langara, Jonas's home planet, was mentioned as being taken by the Ori in the episode. They said that they could've "easily" kept going and mentioned Jonas, and said more about it.

Remembering Carson is one thing, but namedropping is (IMHO) just insulting and unnecessary, and really, this would've been what happened in this episode given my previous "episode in real time" comment.



They knew how to do that. Sedating things aren't that difficult.



That would've been nice, but very ambiguous. Revelations had the "fortune" of setting the tone of Danny's loss from the very beginning, so moments like the gun-cleaning would've been obviously directed at Danny. With this episode...it wouldn't have been as obvious.



Again, IMHO that would've been too late. You try to end a story like this one, where most of it takes place in danger and tension, with a little light-heartedness. *Suddenly* bringing up the memory of a dead friend is not lighthearted.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue. I just can't see how they could've brought up Carson and had it be heartwarming instead of awkward. If this episode had started with the intention of remembering Carson, like Revelations, then yes, a few moments here and there would be par for the course. Alas, this episode had too much story to focus on.
theres no rule that says an episode has to end on a light hearted note....for once, this one could have ended with them all saying what had to be said and then them all silently lying down like they did in the end of the episode. It wouldnt have detracted from the overall story but it certainly would have tied something up that was importnat for a lot of fans by having carson simply mentioned

obsessed1
January 28th, 2007, 09:53 AM
True mabey Submersion should have had alittle something but i have to side with PG15 on this. I think however Vengence is better suited for it that Submersion.
thats also a good point. I hope he does get a mention in vengeance at least :D

Teddybear
January 28th, 2007, 11:17 AM
:sheppard: I liked the SFX and setting in this episode , it was beautiful to watch . The story was interesting , nevertheless I hated the character of McKay in this episode. I didn't like the way he talked to the other scientists at the beginning when they were in the jumper . He was arrogant and had a lot of disdain for them , personnaly I'm finishing to find this aspect of the character really boring . Then he made the mistake ( as usual) to send two of his scientists in a isolated area , and when Sheppard told him that maybe a wraith was present on the site, he didn't even have the thought to warn them and tell them to go back for their safety , of course the two poor guys are killed and nobody seems to care about . I think the authors should be more creative with McKay instead of caricaturing him .
I liked the scene between Sheppard and the queen in the jumper , maybe a little too short , but I found improbable that the queen was completely knocked out by the flow of water and not Ronon and Sheppard , while this same queen was able to swim in the abysses a moment ago .
The end seemed to me a little disappointing , it was too quick , the death of the queen was too easy .
Finally, I should have better love this episode without McKay , his constant bad humor is a waste of time and do not serve the story . I like the character of McKay ,the actor DH , and both deserve better .

huntress
January 28th, 2007, 11:28 AM
I didn't watch the episode because I was afraid of this. That the writer would write a script in which there is no space left for mourning Carson which is beyond insensitive. For goodness sake the crew has just lost a very good friend and there is not a single moment in the whole episode in which the loss of Beckett plays a role? This is something that would never happen on BSG :(

Mitchell82
January 28th, 2007, 12:20 PM
I didn't watch the episode because I was afraid of this. That the writer would write a script in which there is no space left for mourning Carson which is beyond insensitive. For goodness sake the crew has just lost a very good friend and there is not a single moment in the whole episode in which the loss of Beckett plays a role? This is something that would never happen on BSG :(

This is my opinion though I could be wrong. I think the reason it was done this way is since Michael is returning in Vengence that the writers felt it would be better to leave mentioning him till then. Also I bet in might happen in BSG when Kara is killed.

huntress
January 28th, 2007, 03:29 PM
Kara will not be killed. Ron D. Moore already said so. There will be a huge change but she won't be killed. A character vanishing for some time doesn't always have to do with killing.

Also BSG does a much better job in sending a character off. I bawled when I saw that episode and I didn't even like Kat! She was not even close as important as Carson yet the way the episode was done I felt for her deeply and the ending HURT so much. Now that is what I call a good sending off. Sunday? Not so.

Willow'sCat
January 28th, 2007, 04:17 PM
The wraith queen had just noshed on two red-shirt scientists, so was at her peak - sorta like the wraith in "Defiant One" that Shep shot up but wasn't quite dead yet.I know that, but my point was about it always being McKay, why couldn't it have been Ronon or Teyla?

It really is the same thing in almost every episode these days. :rolleyes: Sheppard doing stupid things then being the hero at the last minute and McKay doing stupid and insulting things and being rescued by Sheppard.

Geez and people slam fanfics for having a lack of imagination.

Night Spring
January 28th, 2007, 04:27 PM
I know that, but my point was about it always being McKay, why couldn't it have been Ronon or Teyla?
And if it had been Ronon or Teyla, wouldn't that also be the same old, same old? One warrior-type character taking down yet another wraith!

I agree with whomever said that what would have been new is if Rodney just killed the Queen on his own, without help from John, then stood around in shocked disbelief that he actually killed a Wraith!

Willow'sCat
January 28th, 2007, 04:32 PM
And if it had been Ronon or Teyla, wouldn't that also be the same old, same old? One warrior-type character taking down yet another wraith!Er.. missed my point, I mean if it was Ronon who's gun got jammed or his clip fell out...or his sword went floppy. :rolleyes: I meant for Ronon or Teyla to be "McKay" in the ep not for one of them to take down the Wraith. McKay did not take the Wraith down.


I agree with whomever said that what would have been new is if Rodney just killed the Queen on his own, without help from John, then stood around in shocked disbelief that he actually killed a Wraith!Yes and that is what I meant but not with the shock as again that is cliched now for McKay he should be over that, he should be not only able to use a dam gun and make a kill (reload!) but he shouldn't be shocked when he does it either.

I await the day he actually is and he is a real part of the TEAM, instead of the joke part he is now. :cool:

Night Spring
January 28th, 2007, 04:54 PM
Er.. missed my point, I mean if it was Ronon who's gun got jammed or his clip fell out...or his sword went floppy. :rolleyes: I meant for Ronon or Teyla to be "McKay" in the ep not for one of them to take down the Wraith. McKay did not take the Wraith down.
Ah! Gotcha, that *would* be funny!


Yes and that is what I meant but not with the shock as again that is cliched now for McKay he should be over that, he should be not only able to use a dam gun and make a kill (reload!) but he shouldn't be shocked when he does it either.

I await the day he actually is and he is a real part of the TEAM, instead of the joke part he is now. :cool:
I hear what you are saying, but otoh, I don't want Rodney to do a "Daniel" -- turn so completely into a soldier one hardly sees any glimpse of the geek/nerd part of his personality any more. Like, Rodney being all gung-ho about exploring the power station now that the danger has passed rang true to me. What *could* be done to intergrate Rodney more fully into the team is to make the rest of the team take a little more interest in the scientific aspect of things -- why should the scientist be the only one who has to change in order to better fit in? But no, the other three all had to yawn and go to bed. Well, forget *them*. Go, Rodney! Research, ho!

Alipeeps
January 29th, 2007, 05:32 AM
Yes and that is what I meant but not with the shock as again that is cliched now for McKay he should be over that, he should be not only able to use a dam gun and make a kill (reload!) but he shouldn't be shocked when he does it either.

I await the day he actually is and he is a real part of the TEAM, instead of the joke part he is now. :cool:

I think it's perfectly in character for McKay to remain uncomfortable with guns. He is not and was never intended to be - and never wanted to be - a soldier. He is part of a gate team and he has had weapons training and can use a gun if he has to but only when he has to.. and I think that is perfectly normal and understandable. I feel that he is part of the team and that his team feel he is too... and that they don't expect him to be an accomplished warrior and hardened killer - that's not what he brings to the team. Heck, they've got enough fighters on the team - that's pretty much the primary skillset of the other three members!

Easter Lily
February 1st, 2007, 03:00 PM
Strange... I must admit to really liking this episode...
An underwater exploration with a Wraith... Teyla being utilized... Every member of the team involved.

I must be very easy to please. :D

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Okay dont get me wrong this episode is cool everything but i cant stress enough that atlantis's mission wasnt to get old sg-1 episodes and redress them it was to unlock the secrets of atlantis.

So why hasnt anyone ascended my gosh they are from the city of the Ancients and more people have ascended on sg-1 and they didnt even know anthing about ascention.

the old briar pipe
February 2nd, 2007, 11:07 AM
Okay dont get me wrong this episode is cool everything but i cant stress enough that atlantis's mission wasnt to get old sg-1 episodes and redress them it was to unlock the secrets of atlantis.

So why hasnt anyone ascended my gosh they are from the city of the Ancients and more people have ascended on sg-1 and they didnt even know anthing about ascention.

In one breath you tell us not to redress old SG1 scripts (and I agree with you there), but in the next you say we should have more people ascend like in SG1? I'm confused. :confused:

I believe Tao of Rodney made it very clear - ascension is not high on the list for these people. They are there to do mortal things, like explore new worlds and shoot new bad guys. Perhaps they were even selected for psych profiles that didn't match a desire to ascend (that would show the SGC getting smart).

Besides, the Pegasus Galaxy as a whole is about survival. It's made pretty clear in ToR and other eps that ascension is viewed by the humans as a kind of "running away" from the big, scary world. So, on the whole, I'd much rather have classic mind-game shoot-em-up eps like Submersion than a bunch of eps about Sheppard ascending. Since Epiphany wasn't proof that he's not really into that. ;)

bcfc
February 4th, 2007, 11:32 AM
This was very good liked Teyla beating up Ronan, and we havent had many Wraith episodes this year so this was a bonus.


:ronan: :teyla:

Listy
February 28th, 2007, 12:51 PM
I am just watching this for the first time, and I have to say I absolutely love this episode!!

I really like the plot, and the sets are nice. As the Queen emerged from the water, it really grabbed my attention, and sucked me into th story. I also like that they are cut off from Atlantis.

IMO JF did an excellent job of portraying the pain of Sheppard when under control of the Wraith Queen.

As Ronan's shot broke the glass and the water poured in, I held my breath, fantastic. I love scenes like that that have me on the edge of my seat.

All in all for me its a really good ep.

The Great Lord Baal
February 28th, 2007, 01:02 PM
That was a good ep pit those guys had to die though I would have liked to see mackay reaction if they called him macCoy

Elite Anubis Guard
February 28th, 2007, 01:04 PM
Twas a good episode. I've seen it before but it didn't make it any less cooler. I love underwater stuff. Really cool Teyla stuff too. I wonder what happens to the cruiser.

Listy
March 1st, 2007, 11:28 AM
That was a good ep pit those guys had to die though I would have liked to see mackay reaction if they called him macCoy

LOL that would have been hilarious!

Matt G
March 1st, 2007, 03:17 PM
1. 'I don't think that's Teyla'...'that's definately not Teyla'...'that sure as FRACK is not Teyla'. ;)

2. Nice one to Teyla for outsmarting a Wraith queen though.

3. OK, so the redshirts were predictable!

Decent ep, but not great, then afain, that may have been wgat was needed post Sunday, nice, plain, predictable!

rosey_angel
April 25th, 2007, 12:24 AM
after sunday, i didn't know what kind of ep to expect. this was one of the best of the season, imo.

the jumper scene was so funny, i was kind of hoping ronon would try to start mckay physically, to see his reactoin

it was great to see teyla do something, and she was very good.

i really liked rodney shooting the wraith. it's really good that he's being put into positions that show his strength, without changing his character.

i agree with Elite Anubis Guard: it would be interesting to see what they can do with the cruiser

maxbo
April 28th, 2007, 06:47 AM
I enjoy this episode more with each viewing. From the jumper scenes to Teyla's scenes - loved it all.



I hear what you are saying, but otoh, I don't want Rodney to do a "Daniel" -- turn so completely into a soldier one hardly sees any glimpse of the geek/nerd part of his personality any more. Like, Rodney being all gung-ho about exploring the power station now that the danger has passed rang true to me. What *could* be done to intergrate Rodney more fully into the team is to make the rest of the team take a little more interest in the scientific aspect of things -- why should the scientist be the only one who has to change in order to better fit in? But no, the other three all had to yawn and go to bed. Well, forget *them*. Go, Rodney! Research, ho!


I think it's perfectly in character for McKay to remain uncomfortable with guns. He is not and was never intended to be - and never wanted to be - a soldier. He is part of a gate team and he has had weapons training and can use a gun if he has to but only when he has to.. and I think that is perfectly normal and understandable. I feel that he is part of the team and that his team feel he is too... and that they don't expect him to be an accomplished warrior and hardened killer - that's not what he brings to the team. Heck, they've got enough fighters on the team - that's pretty much the primary skillset of the other three members!


I agree. I don't ever want to see Rambo-Rodney. It would be disappointing and unnatural. No matter how many times Rodney goes off world I expect him to always be a bit uneasy about using weapons. Just because he has had weapons/self-defense training doesn't mean that he has to be comfortable with it. Rodney should continue to view weapons/self-training training as a precaution and not with the intent to become as proficient as the soldiers.

I love snarky/geeky Rodney who's entire face lights up at the possibility of a scientific discovery (or food :D ) and believe that some of that Rodney would be lost if he became too comfortable with weapons. IMO, the team has a wonderful synergy where each has skills that complement the other's in such a way that they are incredible together.

prion
June 8th, 2007, 07:31 PM
It was on tonight.....

anyway, still enjoyed it.

bad point: not a single mention of beckett. Sigh.

Question: Okay, big wraith hive ship on bottom. And they're going to do what with it????

NOTHING!

I mean, they could at least strip it for parts....

monkey_man132
June 8th, 2007, 07:41 PM
It was on tonight.....

anyway, still enjoyed it.

bad point: not a single mention of beckett. Sigh.

Question: Okay, big wraith hive ship on bottom. And they're going to do what with it????

NOTHING!

I mean, they could at least strip it for parts.... Its a cruiser. And I don't think they will do anything with it except maybe try to find information on the Wraith on its database. They have Asgard technology, Wraith technology isn't important anymore.

the fifth man
June 8th, 2007, 07:44 PM
Its a cruiser. And I don't think they will do anything with it except maybe try to find information on the Wraith on its database. They have Asgard technology, Wraith technology isn't important anymore.

That last part should probably be in spoilers for those who haven't seen that occur just yet.

As for this episode though, it was very enjoyable IMO.

Jackie
June 8th, 2007, 07:46 PM
very good ep. Had me on the edge of my seat. Loved the queen. The very last scene with everyone taking a nap was odd. I guess the writers are trying to reassure the team dynamic.

It was good to see weir go with them. Wish she would go on missions more.

prion
June 8th, 2007, 07:53 PM
Its a cruiser. And I don't think they will do anything with it except maybe try to find information on the Wraith on its database. They have Asgard technology, Wraith technology isn't important anymore.

Actually, taking out every piece of arsenal would be a good idea. A wraith stunner/etc. for every person on Atlantis would be very handy in the time of a siege, etc. Or cracking into their database. It's nothing to sneeze at.

Favorite part was when the queen caught Shep and the windshield imploded after Ronon shot it out :)

Major_Griff
June 8th, 2007, 10:38 PM
This eps to me seemed very... i don't know... cheesey scifi-ish. The wraith queen looked weird and fake and the whole Teyla wraith dna arc always rubs me the wrong way, I don't know why. Overall I was very disapointed.

garhkal
June 8th, 2007, 11:12 PM
Rewatched it, and would have loved to see some proper flashbacks to the siege where that cruiser went down, rather than 'dream scapes..

Amakusa
June 9th, 2007, 10:39 AM
I agree. I don't ever want to see Rambo-Rodney. It would be disappointing and unnatural. No matter how many times Rodney goes off world I expect him to always be a bit uneasy about using weapons. Just because he has had weapons/self-defense training doesn't mean that he has to be comfortable with it. Rodney should continue to view weapons/self-training training as a precaution and not with the intent to become as proficient as the soldiers.


I was laughing so hard when he ran out of ammo, it's just like that one ep in the first season with the super-wraith when he ran out of ammo. He's all like, "Okay, I'm out of ammo... now what?" because either he doesn't know how or is too scared of the wraith to remember how to reload.

MIZA
June 10th, 2007, 04:53 PM
I was laughing so hard when he ran out of ammo, it's just like that one ep in the first season with the super-wraith when he ran out of ammo. He's all like, "Okay, I'm out of ammo... now what?" because either he doesn't know how or is too scared of the wraith to remember how to reload.

i agree very good classic McKay scene

garhkal
June 10th, 2007, 05:53 PM
You would think by now, he would have asked someone to train his butt on those P90s..

Jeyla4ever
June 12th, 2007, 07:20 PM
This was very good liked Teyla beating up Ronan, and we havent had many Wraith episodes this year so this was a bonus.


:ronan: :teyla:
Gosh I miss those little critters, too! I don't know but I have a soft spot for them. Teyla whipped butt! LOVED IT!

Beating up Ronon! woohooo! Now, don't get me wrong, I love Ronon. But it's just good to see a girl kicking major butt!

LOL

I loved Rodney here again. If season 3 has given me the best is my appreciation for this character that I tended to ignore completely...
NO THROWING TOMATOES PLEASE!

I simply hated his egotistic attitude...but anyways, he soften on me in TOR and now in this one too. I liked the idea of Rodney once in awhile, cause I can now see the deeper side of him, admitting that he was wrong and Teyla was right! Hey, she's my favorite character.

So that was very good for me to hear from his mouth again. I felt for him when he realized that lives were lost because of it. The team was great. The episode was very good. I wish we had seen more action from the Wraith, maybe even more between Teyla and the Wraith Queen. It was very good to see some of the history behind her. And I liked the whole deceiving idea. Very good episode. Great for the entire team.

Hatusu
June 12th, 2007, 10:10 PM
Good episode. The plot wasn't that original but the feeling of the oppressive ocean pressure and the very ruthless, intimidating and ultimately tragic (and GREEN! :D ) ancient Wraith Queen made the show for me.

squeakytoad
August 11th, 2007, 08:25 AM
I just started watching it, but I must remark before I go further and it seems a lot more trivial...

Whose bright idea was it to stick every vital SGA person in one jumper hundreds of feet below water searching for a lost drilling station? This is Atlantis, people! An uncountable number of things could've gone wrong and all the most vital people to SGA would've been lost. Every major scientist, military commander, and expedition leader is on this one single jumper.
Gee, hope nothing goes wrong back at Atlantis that might require some of these people.

garhkal
August 11th, 2007, 03:04 PM
I did find it strange wier and zalenka was there, but not that sga's premier team was all there.

squeakytoad
August 12th, 2007, 07:38 AM
I did find it strange wier and zalenka was there, but not that sga's premier team was all there.

Exactly. Wier and Zalenka are there. And they haven't even done a preliminary scan yet or any exploration of any kind. They have no idea what awaits. And all this out of radio range, with hours of sea to search if they get lost, and thousands of feet of water above them. Not good. Not wise.

Trek_Girl42
September 26th, 2007, 12:22 AM
Average ep. Not bad, but not particularly memorable. I do like that the wraith have been getting a lot more personality this season- in Misbegotten, Sateda, Common Ground, here. Nice to see some different and unique faces to the wraith. The underwater drilling platform is interesting- though they've been there for nearly three years and they haven't checked it out already? But then again, they need to spread out the catastrophes, so Mckay can get some rest. ;) Maybe they said soemthing to the effect of why they hadn't been there before.

I was disappointed that Carson's name wasn't mentioned once- I was hoping for a little more fallout from "Sunday" to take place in this ep. Preferabley a simple catastrophe of the week that could facilitate a missing Carson/anything to follow up on "Sunday" storyline. Ah well.

Kinda hoped we'd see a whale as well.

garhkal
September 26th, 2007, 04:03 PM
The underwater drilling platform is interesting- though they've been there for nearly three years and they haven't checked it out already? But then again, they need to spread out the catastrophes, so Mckay can get some rest. ;)

Perhaps it never got mentioned before cause they did not know of it. IIRC they only found out about it after lots of the cities systems got initiallized by the ancients that came back in the return AND after the events of Echoes where the 'whales' made a comeback... ergo their minds got focused on what else was in the ocean.

Trek_Girl42
September 26th, 2007, 07:14 PM
Perhaps it never got mentioned before cause they did not know of it. IIRC they only found out about it after lots of the cities systems got initiallized by the ancients that came back in the return AND after the events of Echoes where the 'whales' made a comeback... ergo their minds got focused on what else was in the ocean.
Ahh gotcha. :)

MmmmMcKAy
October 2nd, 2007, 05:53 PM
Not bad...not the best but not bad. I always enjoy seeing a Wraith queen. ;)

Teyla had a nice big role for once. And we had some Zelenka and Weir on a mission.

Vis Uban
August 25th, 2008, 03:36 PM
All and all, a pretty good episode, in fact, I only had one thing against it. Wraith may be resilient, but this is the bottom of an ocean we're talking about here. Being crushed by the equivalent of a several thousand ton block of granite would kill even a wraith instantly.

Butlersgate
March 7th, 2009, 05:03 AM
ronan "i missed"
sheppard "i noticed that too"

lmao fantastic episode :D

major davis
May 15th, 2009, 02:16 PM
Meh, good story line. Telya beat Ronan. Lol. Gave me a couple jumps too. Still, all in all, only an ok ep.

6.5/10

escyos
June 5th, 2009, 01:23 AM
i am gonna also do drawings and such about the drilling platform on my atlantis site

wraith queen inga
August 28th, 2009, 06:09 AM
By far the BEST Episode of the Third Season.
Andee Frizzell is amazing! :D
5/5

FromOutside
November 23rd, 2009, 03:37 AM
I liked the insane pressure the ocean put on our heroes but that was pretty much everything I liked. Well, I liked the Wraith being back, even when storyline indeed was much like the one in Defiant One.

That itself wasn't too bad. Giving how long the wraith live and how long time they can hibernate, there must be tons of crashed Wraith ships around the galaxy, and when one explores enough, he is bound to meet many survivors... But I just don't get it how LAME the queen was!

She had fed on her own crew, and if cannibalism makes Wraith more powerful (as hinted in Defiant One), she should have been insanely strong. If the Defiant One was as strong as he was because he had just fed... Well, the same went for the queen.

But no! She was knocked out by the flood much worse than Shepphard and Ronon, and then McKay was able to off her with some bullets the Defiant One had laughed at! :comeon:

Also the ep was very much 'planet of the week', like many others in season 3 have been. At the time the ep was launched, it maybe wasn't too bad, but now I can't but think: I have already watched nearly 3/5 of the whole SGA, ant they are wasting eps with something like this!

And about what was talked earlier... Wraith and salt water. I think it makes full sense if the Wraith hated it, because do they drink? If they don't, they depend fluids they are able to collect when they feed on human (which is probably why humas fed on look like mummies), and so salt would potentially cause trouble. But no one made the queen drink salt water when she was swimming and the skin is rather resistant, so I don't see too much problem. Maybe the salt water just stang badly :P

And Carson... Keep in mind the team hangs together in Atlantis, and likely speak about him on their free time. I wished we had seen it, tough.

Elorendil
July 21st, 2010, 07:44 PM
I was looking at something else right when they docked with the station the first time, and as they are docking (still not looking at my TV screen), I said "I bet there's a Wraith on the station." I looked back just in time to see two Wraith eyes peering at the camera! :lol:

Maybe I'm still in shock from "Sunday," but this wasn't my favorite episode. Especially the way Teyla tricked the Wraith. I just don't see how she could have found the strength to hide something that big from her.

TennisMennis
July 27th, 2010, 07:26 AM
I'm still in shock over Sunday too, but did like this episode a lot. Being underwater heightened the suspense for me. The wraith queen was awesome. Also very glad to see Teyla get an expanded role. Rodney seems to be the "star" of every show, so I'm glad to see them spread it out. I really wish Dr. Weir would be more involved because she is a GREAT actress and I love her character.

Falcon Horus
July 27th, 2010, 04:07 PM
Also very glad to see Teyla get an expanded role.

Enjoy it while it lasts.


Rodney seems to be the "star" of every show...

It'll get worse.


I really wish Dr. Weir would be more involved because she is a GREAT actress and I love her character.

Enjoy this also while it lasts.

mrscopterdoc
September 5th, 2010, 03:49 PM
I'm still in shock over Sunday too, but did like this episode a lot. Being underwater heightened the suspense for me. The wraith queen was awesome. Also very glad to see Teyla get an expanded role. Rodney seems to be the "star" of every show, so I'm glad to see them spread it out. I really wish Dr. Weir would be more involved because she is a GREAT actress and I love her character.
I agree.


Enjoy it while it lasts.

It'll get worse.

Enjoy this also while it lasts.

and, unfortunately, I agree with you too.

maneth
January 26th, 2011, 10:22 AM
Cool episode, and again very claustrophobic. The queen seemed quite something else to other Wraith we've seen so far.

Thorthewraith
February 15th, 2011, 02:46 PM
Loved how Ronon smacked the queen back on to the table. But she was a very cool queen with a very cool outfit. Only didn't like the "bandana" thing on her head. I first thought it was a hat or a cap or something. And she got Sheppard on his knees lol.

Hey I got a hundred posts! Yippee!!!
Oeh and a new rank too! More Yippee!!

mrscopterdoc
June 7th, 2011, 02:53 PM
Loved how Ronon smacked the queen back on to the table. But she was a very cool queen with a very cool outfit. Only didn't like the "bandana" thing on her head. I first thought it was a hat or a cap or something. And she got Sheppard on his knees lol.

I think it was more like a crown.....

WraithCommander
June 10th, 2011, 02:49 AM
I think it was more like a crown.....

Indeed.

sgfan
October 30th, 2011, 09:56 PM
Did they ever use this Wraith Cruiser? Presumably it would have came in handy at some point.

All the Cruiser needed was power (Teyla was telling the truth to the Wraith Queen about that part, right?)

garhkal
November 4th, 2011, 01:18 PM
I wonder if they could have even gotten it out of the water..

jelgate
August 22nd, 2012, 09:38 PM
Did they ever use this Wraith Cruiser? Presumably it would have came in handy at some point.

All the Cruiser needed was power (Teyla was telling the truth to the Wraith Queen about that part, right?)
It was probably destroyed after the events of First Strike.


Now onto the review itself. This is not really a critcism of the episode but the development of Teyla. From the "Previously on Stargate Atlantis" you can see the last time Teyla really had a decent episode was in "The Gift." That seems like a long time for a character development when we have this plethora of Sheppherd and McKay episodes. Just does not sit right with me. It was interesting to see Teyla have a battle of wills. Althought I will say the first time I could tell almost suddenly that a Wraith queen had invaded Teyla's But it was still interesting to see how much she was able to out do the the whole team on the drilling platform. Makes me think she must be a very skilled queen. But this episode does create a little bit of discontunity. How was it that the other Wraith did not detect her when the Wraith attacked in The Siege? You would think that close would bring in so mental proxomity. Finally I thought it was funny how they tricked the Wraith queen with her own powers. Kind of reminds me of the Goa'uld from SG1. Our greatest asset is to exploit our enemies arrogance. Overall a good episode and I think a great opportunity for Teyla exploration

Lythisrose
August 23rd, 2012, 09:27 AM
From Joe Mallozzi's Blog (http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/august-22-2012-cos-effect-days-of-stargate-atlantis-past-submersion-mailbag/):
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I always loved episodes possessed of horror elements: our heroes, trapped somewhere, being hunted by some otherworldly creature. In this case, they’re stranded aboard a wraith ship on the ocean’s floor, being stalked by a mightily pissed off wraith queen. This is one of those rare opportunities in which Weir gets in on the action as well, joining the deep sea exploration of the presumably derelict ship. It’s also great to see Teyla kick ass – even if it is Ronon’s ass she’s kicking.

The one behind-the-scenes incident that I recall involved those unwieldy underwater suits McKay and Sheppard wear to access the neighboring ship. Because of the mechanics, it was always a big song and dance getting the actors in and out of the things. The suit would be prepped, they would crawl in, then the suits would be locked, effectively sealing the actors inside. It was an equally big song and dance to unlock the suits and open them again so, once locked, there was nowhere to go but forward – onto set and shooting. Well, it just so happened that Joe’s suit experienced some sort of malfunction. The resident suit expert hopped inside and made the necessary adjustments. The director was losing time and was eager to start shooting so, the second the guy had finished fixing the suit, he jumped out, Joe jumped back in, and the suit was sealed. Unfortunately, also sealed inside the suit with Joe was a wicked bout of gas the fixer had released. My fellow producer, John Smith, relayed the story over lunch, describing Joe’s muted, wild-eyed reaction after which John, in all seriousness, solemnly assured us: “But it wasn’t malicious.” The very notion that anyone assumed malice on the part of the farter made it even funnier.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 24th, 2012, 05:16 PM
It was better than I thought. It was great to see the Wraith again. Great scenes with Teyla, epically with the Wraith Queen. I give it a ** 1/2.
You might confuse this episode with Subversion, the 18th episode (just like this episode) of SGU first season. The only difference is only 1 letter (lazy writers;)). More on that other, similarly named, episode at the end of November.

There is not much else to say except, damn that Wraith is a good swimmer.

Monday, Michael, who "died" at the beginning of the season, is back.

garhkal
August 26th, 2012, 02:03 PM
Makes me think she must be a very skilled queen. But this episode does create a little bit of discontunity. How was it that the other Wraith did not detect her when the Wraith attacked in The Siege?

IIRC was not the platform where they all were 1000s of feet under the surface of the ocean?? Perhaps that was something that hindered the "Queen" sensing the wraith.

jelgate
August 26th, 2012, 02:05 PM
If a Wraith can sense another Wraith in the solar system that much water and pressure should be a factor

Lieutenant Sparrow
August 28th, 2012, 02:15 AM
An okay ep.

Good to see a Wraith again. Especially one so old and strong.

The puddle jumper ride to the platform would have been painful. So many scientists at each other. Especially with McKay. Poor Taylor shouldn't have sat with them to begin with.

Poor Ronon. That blow to the lower region would have hurt. And since when does he miss when shooting someone.

Krisz
August 28th, 2012, 06:18 PM
Creepy thing being trapped on an underwater base with a hungry Wraith queen no less! The way she swam over despite the crushing pressure at those depths was another ability we discover the Wraith have. They really are like cockroaches!

It was good to see some more of Teyla and her 'Wraithy' sense! Great twists and turns as to who was controlling who!

garhkal
August 29th, 2012, 01:36 PM
Perhaps since she had been down there long enough she had adapted her body TO the pressure of being down there...??

Matt G
August 30th, 2012, 04:17 PM
Midweek, another ep of Atlantis...

1. Gradon...Grason...*groans*

2. Forgot the extent Teyla was taken over.

3. Can't blame McKay for freaking out over the water pressure.

Still OK ep.

Jae'a
September 25th, 2012, 04:55 PM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/71983.html)
Haven't seen a Wraith in a while! Go Teyla! :D

Cluas
February 20th, 2013, 12:05 AM
Very exciting ep. Good to have wraith back, good to see that Ronon CAN actually miss, and Teyla was given a big part here. Great stuff, crazy plan. But luckily it worked.

:sheppard33: "I hate Queens"

mrscopterdoc
August 20th, 2014, 06:22 PM
Perhaps since she had been down there long enough she had adapted her body TO the pressure of being down there...??
that makes sense. She certainly was a [email protected]$$ wraith

garhkal
August 22nd, 2014, 08:58 PM
Not really when you think that she was KO'ed after the water rushed in, smacking her into the wall, which was after she had fed iirc.