improving atlantis's defences

[Davesg-43]

maybe they can put on mini nuke launchers and sams (suface to air missile) like aarams, sea sparros, stingers, siodewinders,and phonixes

[Wraith_Hunter]

To be honest, they really wouldn't make much difference if Atlantis was being attacked by Hive ships or Cruisers.

First we don't actually know if they could go through the shields when activated around Atlantis.

Even if they could, the distance between them & the ships in orbit would be far too great, that they'd be well intercepted by Darts or shot down by the weapons.

Those sorts of weapons would only be good for taking down Darts. Being they attack in waves of hundreds + at the same time. Then there probably wouldn't be enough missiles to go around. Probably would be better to use rail guns, mainly because of the far greater rate of fire. So chances are you could take a lot more down in a far shorter period of time.

Again, in an attack they still wouldn't do you any good. Even if you took down all the Darts, the Hives/Cruisers would still bombard you from orbit. Which you can't do nothing about. The shields would drain & you'd be toast.

Instead, they should look for any form of energy weapons. Even strip them from a Goa'uld Cargo ship/Glider or whatever. They would be far more effective to use as a defense. Simply because there is a much greater chance of hitting a target in orbit.

[RepliHawk]

To be honest, they really wouldn't make much difference if Atlantis was being attacked by Hive ships or Cruisers.

First we don't actually know if they could go through the shields when activated around Atlantis.

Even if they could, the distance between them & the ships in orbit would be far too great, that they'd be well intercepted by Darts or shot down by the weapons.

Those sorts of weapons would only be good for taking down Darts. Being they attack in waves of hundreds + at the same time. Then there probably wouldn't be enough missiles to go around. Probably would be better to use rail guns, mainly because of the far greater rate of fire. So chances are you could take a lot more down in a far shorter period of time.

Again, in an attack they still wouldn't do you any good. Even if you took down all the Darts, the Hives/Cruisers would still bombard you from orbit. Which you can't do nothing about. The shields would drain & you'd be toast.

Instead, they should look for any form of energy weapons. Even strip them from a Goa'uld Cargo ship/Glider or whatever. They would be far more effective to use as a defense. Simply because there is a much greater chance of hitting a target in orbit.

I agree

[Davesg-43]

for one thing thats what the Deadalus is for, and those missiles were just meant for darts, and if the cloaked ICBMs attacked the hives they would be able to hit the hives

[Wraith_Hunter]

The topic you created was for the defence of Atlantis. Next, Daedalus can't really fight Hives. It had to launch every one of it's nukes to even get a single hit on a Hive ship.

When the Wraith come knocking, Daedalus won't be able to do anything special. Daedalus isn't a warship, it's a Deep Space Carrier. Not to mention the obvious, it travels back & forth between the 2 galaixes all the time. When it's away, it's 3 weeks before it can get back to do something. By then, the damage will have already been well done.

Also, as I said about the number of Darts. They'd have to insall hundreds of missiles, launchers etc all over the place. If Darts were attacking, it'd be much simpler, easier, cost effective to fire all the rail guns & cut them all down that way. The Darts are probably far too fast & mobile to get taken down by standard missiles. All they'd need to do was climb high enough or out of the atmsophere then re-enter etc. For defense, rail guns are really the best alternative.

Not to mention if the shield is raised, we don't even know if the weapons can go through it.

However as I also said, what good would it do anyway, even if you did destroy the 100/1000's of Darts a single Hive contains. Once they are gone, ther Hive will simply start blasting from orbit. Therefore it'd be a waste of time, resources & money.

If they did have to have something, then it has to be energy weapons. Heck, attack a Hive or Cruiser. Gas them, then stip the weapons off. Even do the same in the MW with a Ha'tak. Get them, then as long as the shield holds. You should be able to destroy the unprotected Wraith ship fairly easily. This is why, they won't give us energy weapons for this exact reason. With 304's shields being able to hold of Wraith fire for a while. If they had energy weapons, they could sit back & take hits. While destroying the shieldless Hive with relative ease.

Lastly for the cloaked missiles. That is a total fantasy, they will never, ever, ever, ever give them cloaking tech like that. Put it this way, we've seen they can cloak Atlantis by using a cloaking generator from a PJ. Here's the real easy part which doesn't evenr equirew them to build or research any new means of cloaking.

Simply go into the jumper bay, take out a generator, just like they did with Atlantis. Take it over to the 304 & install it into that. Now Daedalus can go invisible & be totally undetectable to Wraith ships.

It can now jump around the galaxy looking for single Hives. Once it finds one, it sneaks up along side it. Then because the Hive hasn't detected anything, it can then beam the nuke inside it & take it out. If the jammer was raised, then they could simply sneak up along side it right beside the Hyperdrive, bridge or launch bay. Fire a warhead into the chosen vulnerable target. It takes it out when the nuke explodes causing a chain reaction of explosions, which eventually destroys the Hive.

Do this enough times & the Wraith could be completely eliminated within weeks. Why haven't they done this, they already have the technology. The simple answer is, it would make these past few seasons seem like an anti-climax. How on Earth could it be done so easily, how did they defeat the Lanteans, why did the Lanteans not do this 7 all that. It'd be such a let down to kill them of so cheaply & easily.

This is why, they will never have cloaking tech on their missiles. It'd be just the same result. Come up outside their sensor range. Launch the cloaked warheads & boom. The Hive is gone just like that. The only way, this will be seen is by someone writing it in one of their fanfic stories.

[Cap116]

If a Cargo Ship could fit in the Daedalus's Launch Bay, they could take one with a cloak to the PG, and use it to teleport weapons, like nukes or atom bombs right on top of Wraith Ships. That would be pretty interesting.

[Davesg-43]

The topic you created was for the defence of Atlantis. Next, Daedalus can't really fight Hives. It had to launch every one of it's nukes to even get a single hit on a Hive ship.

When the Wraith come knocking, Daedalus won't be able to do anything special. Daedalus isn't a warship, it's a Deep Space Carrier. Not to mention the obvious, it travels back & forth between the 2 galaixes all the time. When it's away, it's 3 weeks before it can get back to do something. By then, the damage will have already been well done.

Also, as I said about the number of Darts. They'd have to insall hundreds of missiles, launchers etc all over the place. If Darts were attacking, it'd be much simpler, easier, cost effective to fire all the rail guns & cut them all down that way. The Darts are probably far too fast & mobile to get taken down by standard missiles. All they'd need to do was climb high enough or out of the atmsophere then re-enter etc. For defense, rail guns are really the best alternative.

Not to mention if the shield is raised, we don't even know if the weapons can go through it.

However as I also said, what good would it do anyway, even if you did destroy the 100/1000's of Darts a single Hive contains. Once they are gone, ther Hive will simply start blasting from orbit. Therefore it'd be a waste of time, resources & money.

If they did have to have something, then it has to be energy weapons. Heck, attack a Hive or Cruiser. Gas them, then stip the weapons off. Even do the same in the MW with a Ha'tak. Get them, then as long as the shield holds. You should be able to destroy the unprotected Wraith ship fairly easily. This is why, they won't give us energy weapons for this exact reason. With 304's shields being able to hold of Wraith fire for a while. If they had energy weapons, they could sit back & take hits. While destroying the shieldless Hive with relative ease.

Lastly for the cloaked missiles. That is a total fantasy, they will never, ever, ever, ever give them cloaking tech like that. Put it this way, we've seen they can cloak Atlantis by using a cloaking generator from a PJ. Here's the real easy part which doesn't evenr equirew them to build or research any new means of cloaking.

Simply go into the jumper bay, take out a generator, just like they did with Atlantis. Take it over to the 304 & install it into that. Now Daedalus can go invisible & be totally undetectable to Wraith ships.

It can now jump around the galaxy looking for single Hives. Once it finds one, it sneaks up along side it. Then because the Hive hasn't detected anything, it can then beam the nuke inside it & take it out. If the jammer was raised, then they could simply sneak up along side it right beside the Hyperdrive, bridge or launch bay. Fire a warhead into the chosen vulnerable target. It takes it out when the nuke explodes causing a chain reaction of explosions, which eventually destroys the Hive.

Do this enough times & the Wraith could be completely eliminated within weeks. Why haven't they done this, they already have the technology. The simple answer is, it would make these past few seasons seem like an anti-climax. How on Earth could it be done so easily, how did they defeat the Lanteans, why did the Lanteans not do this 7 all that. It'd be such a let down to kill them of so cheaply & easily.

This is why, they will never have cloaking tech on their missiles. It'd be just the same result. Come up outside their sensor range. Launch the cloaked warheads & boom. The Hive is gone just like that. The only way, this will be seen is by someone writing it in one of their fanfic stories.

why cant we equiped nukes with cloaks

[Wraith_Hunter]

Simply because they don't have the ability to create their own cloaking tech.

If they had this, then they could wipe out the Wraith almost instantly. Wraith ships don't have shields, therefore they rely on the Darts, weapons to take out the missiles before they impact. If they can't do this then send one to a vulnerable part & the Hive is gone.

They already have PJ cloak that they've used on Atlantis. Why haven't they used this on a 304 also. Thsi way they wouldn't need to worry about claoking weapons because they can sneak up undetected next to a Hive, then beam the nuke on board without alerting the Wraith to their presence. Either than or get close to them then pound them with warheads. Either ay the Hive is gone in a matter of secs.

If they had this, then 304's could destroy the Wraith within a matter of weeks. So if we already have PJ cloaks, & they haven't ever used it. Then it's fair to say, they won't be going down the cloaking nukes route anytime soon for the exact same reason.

[rarocks24]

Simply because they don't have the ability to create their own cloaking tech.

If they had this, then they could wipe out the Wraith almost instantly. Wraith ships don't have shields, therefore they rely on the Darts, weapons to take out the missiles before they impact. If they can't do this then send one to a vulnerable part & the Hive is gone.

They already have PJ cloak that they've used on Atlantis. Why haven't they used this on a 304 also. Thsi way they wouldn't need to worry about claoking weapons because they can sneak up undetected next to a Hive, then beam the nuke on board without alerting the Wraith to their presence. Either than or get close to them then pound them with warheads. Either ay the Hive is gone in a matter of secs.

If they had this, then 304's could destroy the Wraith within a matter of weeks. So if we already have PJ cloaks, & they haven't ever used it. Then it's fair to say, they won't be going down the cloaking nukes route anytime soon for the exact same reason.

Actually,

Duke University Experiments

On October 19th, 2006 the AP reported that a team of British and American scientists had demonstrated a prototype metamaterial based device that rendered a copper cylinder invisible to microwaves. In the prototype, microwaves passing through the cloaked object were significantly dimmed but the researchers believe this behavior can be improved. [5]. Engineers David Schurig and David Smith of Duke University sucessfully, although not completely, hid or "cloaked" the central copper ring by surrounding it with concentric rings of metamaterial standing one centimetre tall and spanning 12 centimeters. The rings were sandwiched between two plates so that microwaves could only travel through the cloak in the plane of the rings, as described in the paper published online October 19, 2006 by Science (journal).

Active camouflage

Active camouflage (or adaptive camouflage) is a group of camouflage technologies which would allow an object (usually military in nature) to blend into its surroundings by use of panels or coatings capable of changing color or luminosity. Active camouflage can be seen as having the potential to become the perfection of the art of camouflaging things from visual detection.

Optical camouflage

Optical camouflage is a kind of active camouflage in which one wears a fabric which has an image of the scene directly behind the wearer projected onto it, so that the wearer appears invisible. The concept exists for now only in theory and in proof-of-concept prototypes, although many experts consider it technically feasible. It is an example of active camouflage (or adaptive camouflage).

Russian cloaking device patent

On Jan 26 2006, Mosnews reported that a Russian inventor Dr Oleg Gadomsky (????????? ???? ??????????) created a real cloaking device. Dr Gadomsky had been long experimenting on nanoparticles of gold. He obtained a patent for a sub-micron stratum of microscopical colloid golden particles that makes an object placed behind it invisible for an observer.

Just a bit of FYI of course.

[Wraith_Hunter]

Yes I know about the 1st part, because I read it in the paper last week. However they still haven't made anything disappear to the naked eye etc. It's not been confirmed anywhere yet. Even if they could do it to something small in a lab, there's a whole lot more difficulty in applying it to a warhead going some crazy speed into space.

Besides, I'm not talking about real life. I'm referring to Stargate Universe & the Writers specifically. If they already have the tech to do it to a 304, but don't bother then they will never allow them to take cloaking tech for warheads.

Simply not going to happen!

[Sam fisher]

The best thing to do is put more rail guns or Phalanxs on Atlantis and network them together to something like a Aegis system.

[Davesg-43]

The best thing to do is put more rail guns or Phalanxs on Atlantis and network them together to something like a Aegis system.

and dont forget mini guns, lots and lots of mini guns

[Sam fisher]

and dont forget mini guns, lots and lots of mini guns

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

[rarocks24]

Patriot Missile turrets. Lots of em. Tons of em. Put them on the tops of the towers, put them everywhere. And then seal off all doors leading from the outside to the inside of the city. Install Tokra force fields throughout the city and right a program to automatically raise them and lower them. Have antireplicator, antiwraith technology as well. Equip nukes with Daedalus type shields, and send them on their way.

[Davesg-43]

and dont forget ronan with an M60