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October 30th, 2006, 07:14 AM
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Pickett's threat on Sawyer's life brings Kate and Sawyer together, and prompts her to remember a man from her past. Jack makes a decision about Ben's offer.

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jds1982
November 8th, 2006, 07:10 PM
Poor Nathan Fillion always getting drugged by his lying wives.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 8th, 2006, 07:27 PM
Damn was that a good episode, I can not wait until February. RUN!!!!!!!!!!

What was the story Jack was talking about to Kate?

cindyz
November 8th, 2006, 08:36 PM
I dunno about that Abydos...maybe it would help to watch an old episode?

what an explosive episode. dammit is it Feb yet??? they better not kill off Sawyer! and I like how they want us to think that Jack has the upper hand. he is being played....by Juliet.....

ROFl @JDS comment about NF!

darman
November 8th, 2006, 09:18 PM
Damn was that a good episode, I can not wait until February. RUN!!!!!!!!!!

What was the story Jack was talking about to Kate?

Oh how easily we forget. In the Pilot when Jack runs out of woods and helps all the surviving passengers, he finds a place on the beach where he can be alone. His back is wounded from the crash, but he can't stitch it b/c he can't reach the wound. Then suddenly comes along this very beautiful woman who's in shock(Kate).

He asks her to stitch his back but she's reluctant. Eventually he convinces her, but she says she's scared. Then Jack tells her a story when he was operating on this girl and the operation went wrong, "the nerves started spilling like angel pasta." He started freaking out, but then he told himself he will let the fear overtake him until he counts to 5 and "that's all i'm gonna give it." Then he finished the operation successfully

Later on in the episode, when the monster came after Kate, she froze from fear. But then she remembered Jack's story, counted to 5 and started running. She got away from the monster
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I believe this is writers basically winking at us, in part because Kate ended up with Sawyer. Back in the Pilot episode, they made it seem like Jack and Kate were going to be together. Also in this episode when Jack saw Kate and Sawyer together, Ben came along and was commenting on it. He was cut off by Jack right before he finished his thought. Ben was probably going to say that he thought Kate seemed to be more Jack's type.

That story is key how Jack came up with the plan so quickly. When he saw them together, he probably flashed back when he first met her,cause lets face it he has feelings for her. His plan is to make an accident happen on the operating table and then let some time go by, in this case an hour.

erinanderson
November 8th, 2006, 09:48 PM
I dunno about that Abydos...maybe it would help to watch an old episode?

what an explosive episode. dammit is it Feb yet??? they better not kill off Sawyer! and I like how they want us to think that Jack has the upper hand. he is being played....by Juliet.....

ROFl @JDS comment about NF!


I agree Cindy, is it Feb yet??? I love Sawyer, he's my desktop wallpaper right now. I can't believe they are gonna run 16 straight weeks of new episodes, I cannot wait!!! *jumps up and down* I am almost positive that it is Juliet who is running everything on that particular island, she seems to be actually the one in control, even though she tries to make it seem like Ben is in control. And I am really interested in the girl with the slingshot's story.....seems like all isn't right in the other island paradise.

Morbo
November 8th, 2006, 10:11 PM
she isn't right because that is Alex - Rosseau's daughter, that the other's abducted after she was born.

solid ep tonight for sure. not as revealing as we were all led to believe, and also the cliffhanger was definitely not what i expected either.

its too bad jack doesn't know they're on another island, and kate and sawyer can't go anywhere.

and juliette definitely is CREEPY. she's up to no good i think. but i don't know HOW.

most curiously though - what is the significance of eko's stick, and what's north! go locke go! find it!

memnarch
November 8th, 2006, 11:57 PM
A good episode! Not great, but an okay cliffhanger (gah!!!). Kate and Sawyer's having sex was an interesting development, which anyone who saw the preview should have figured out. Sawyer's "I love you" was intriguing, given that I didn't think he would admit that to her, although he wouldn't be a total jerk after that.

Michael Emerson once again pulled out all the stops in his performance! Seriously, I will be pissed if he doesn't get an emmy for portraying Ben. Jack was also exceptional. His range of emotions, particularly after seeing Kate and Sawyer together was great to watch. I wasn't particularly impressed with Kate's flashback, though it was nice to see that she wanted to settle down. Still, her flashbacks usually center around running from her problems and that gets a bit repetitive. Jack's had a ton of flashbacks and the focus of each has varied at least.

Locke's discovery of the clue had me wanting much much more! I wished he had had more time to start exploring. Hopefully his story will be addressed early in the second half. Also, I'd like to see something from Charlie, Claire, Hurley, Jin or Sun, since they were absent this week and largely from last week.

Overall, I give it ***

16 Friggin weeks!!!!:(

sgeureka
November 9th, 2006, 01:39 AM
The episode was okay. I had figure out most of what was happening from the promo, and the flashbacks were also not surprising - we already knew Kate was married once (from the Kate-Sawyer "I never" game), that she had taken a pregnancy test once ("The Whole Truth"), and that she had called the marshall pleading to be left alone (somewhere around the end of S1).

I'm a little put off because I thought that Carlton&Damon had said we would know what's up with Karl at the end of the 6 eps. Guess what - I still don't really know. I was also expecting to get to know who's the bad guy - Ben or Juliet or both. I'm still not any smarter. And no patch eyed guy either, although I think that's the detour Locke wants to take.

I got to admit that the cliff hanger was better than I expected. I thought there would be still about 5 or 10 minutes more. I completely missed that Kate can't for the heck of it escape to the main island's beach, until memnarch pointed it out. Maybe they'll introduce some kind of escape tunnel in the next episode.

FoolishPleasure
November 9th, 2006, 05:42 AM
For a "last" episode before a huge break, I guess I was expecting something a bit better. Seemed to be all about Kate and Sawyer and it really dragged. I like those two together, but it was too much whining and crying. I wanted to see more of Locke, Desmond and the gang as well. Besides, everyone knows Sawyer isn't gonna die anytime soon, as Ausiello already stated that at TVGuide.com when all the death speculation went around before last week's episode.

Nathan wasn't used much - wish we could have seen more. Heck, why isn't he on the island as one of the other castaways TPTB are bringing into the story?

My feeling on Ben and Juliette - I love creepy Ben, but I suspect later we will find Juliette is the real nasty.

I would rather have had the break start last week, leaving us with the monster vs. Eko scene. That really shook up the fans. This ending left me yawning instead of thinking, "OMG, we have to wait until February!"

Descent
November 9th, 2006, 05:58 AM
Fantastic episode, definately the best yet this Season. I really liked the cliffhanger they left with and although Sawyer and Kate got it on, I still think she's going to pick Jack. Loved Nathan (Mal) in the episode, hope he returns somehow.

**** from me

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 9th, 2006, 06:50 AM
I dunno about that Abydos...maybe it would help to watch an old episode?
I would but it's currently on my iTunes Backup disk and odds say I probably couldn't add the Pilot on to my iPod since I don't very much space left on it.

Tok'Ra Hostess
November 9th, 2006, 06:56 AM
Terrific ep. Loved every minute of it.

So, the Others were all surprised to see Alex in their compound. I wonder if it's because they left her on the Losties' island. If so, that means she found a way to cross the divide. If she could do it, that means there must be a dingy or a home made canoe or something that Alex will have hidden and possibly Sawyer and Kate will find?

That Ben is such a toad, promising Jack that'll he will let him leave the island. Sure, you will, Ben; you'll let him leave Alcatraz and return to Monster Island.

Cap116
November 9th, 2006, 07:13 AM
[QUOTE=sgeureka;5982825]The episode was okay. I had figure out most of what was happening from the promo, and the flashbacks were also not surprising - we already knew Kate was married once (from the Kate-Sawyer "I never" game), that she had taken a pregnancy test once ("The Whole Truth"), and that she had called the marshall pleading to be left alone (somewhere around the end of S1).
[QUOTE]

One thing I have realized after seeing promos for Lost, is that not to expect too much. That way when you see the episode and nothing happens, you aren't disappointed, but if something big happens, you get excited.

I enjoyed the episode. I liked seeing Jack doing that to Henry, talking about showing some backbone. (No pun intended.) That was pretty good.

Thermonuclearboy
November 9th, 2006, 07:33 AM
Well, it's pretty much a given that either Kate or Sawyer will die. They had sex. That's what happens on Lost; you have sex, you die later that episode. I'm guessing it will be Kate. Sawyer's much too popular a character to kill off, and having it be Kate will really put both Sawyer and Jack through the ringer.

...I thought the tumor was on Ben's NECK.

jmw326
November 9th, 2006, 07:35 AM
I am beginning to think that the Island that they showed Sawyer is just another Island and they are all still on the same island that they have always been on since the crash. They knew he would eventualy tell Kate and are just playing mind games with him to keep them from even trying to escape.

I really liked this episode and can't wait till Feb.

joshing123
November 9th, 2006, 07:49 AM
I would rather have had the break start last week, leaving us with the monster vs. Eko scene. That really shook up the fans. This ending left me yawning instead of thinking, "OMG, we have to wait until February!"

See I thought last week was rather ho-hum, while this week was great! Jack rocked. For me it's not even about the cliff-hanger, because I really don't expect any of the big 3 to die, it's just that it was overall a great episode. Well, except the Kate & Sawyer thing, I don't like them together. But it did give MF a chance to shine. That scene with him and Kate when she was asking him to do the surgery for Sawyer was so sad.

joshing123
November 9th, 2006, 07:51 AM
Well, it's pretty much a given that either Kate or Sawyer will die. They had sex. That's what happens on Lost; you have sex, you die later that episode. I'm guessing it will be Kate. Sawyer's much too popular a character to kill off, and having it be Kate will really put both Sawyer and Jack through the ringer.
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Kate is also a popular character. The 3 in captivity are often referred to as the "big 3" stars of the show.

But IMO, as far as Sawyer, I could actually give a rat's a$$ about him. I know they need an anti-hero on the show, but he mostly just annoys me. It wouldn't bother me in the least if that trigger got pulled.

memnarch
November 9th, 2006, 08:13 AM
I beg to differ. Kate has been seen to be quite unpopular. Given that she had 3 flashbacks the first year, fans were already tiring of seeing too much of her and not enough of some minor characters with more interesting backstories. That's why there was only one episode centered around her.

Although, since the producers pulled back on her character a little, people are warming to her more I think. I still think she will die though, since her stories have pretty much been told by now. Also, I think Sayid may go soon, since I can't imagine too many more episodes about him.

cindyz
November 9th, 2006, 09:19 AM
I would but it's currently on my iTunes Backup disk and odds say I probably couldn't add the Pilot on to my iPod since I don't very much space left on it.

delete dude! watch and be happy. or, can we still watch old eps if we go to ABC.com? are those really old ones still on there?

maybe the clue on Mr. Ecko's stick will help Locke find this other island?
at least Jack was much more intersting this episode. as someone said...he was showing some spine!

cindyz
November 9th, 2006, 09:36 AM
...I thought the tumor was on Ben's NECK.

nope. I went back and had to pause, so I could really check out the xray. it clearly shows the tumor is on his lumbar spine area..I can see the last ribs and the top of the pelvic crest in that particular xray. yeah, they did show a view of the cervical spine at one point as well...and i went back cause I am a radiology rn, so i was curious. and that is the area that Jack was operating on. and the fact that Jack said he cut a major blood vessel leading to Ben's kidney also made sense.

just thought I'd clear that up. :D

Descent
November 9th, 2006, 09:43 AM
None of the "Big 3" are going to die so lets stop talking about it. :P They just killed Eko, I don't think anyone else is going to get it for awhile.

Thermonuclearboy
November 9th, 2006, 10:33 AM
...but...but that's the rule! You have sex, you die! That's how Shannon died and that's how Anna Lucia died (and how Boone died too, even though he only had sex in flashback). Didn't the producers once say that the only person off-limits was Charlie, due to Dominic Monaghan's tremendous fanbase?

So who's Jacob? They mentioned that Jack wasn't on "Jacob's List." So does that mean Jack wasn't one of the ones the Others dediced were "good people?" Wondering what their criteria is...

joshing123
November 9th, 2006, 10:57 AM
I beg to differ. Kate has been seen to be quite unpopular. .

I must also beg to differ. On the groups I belong to, Kate is a generally well liked character. Although some have moral objections to her killing her father, I can't recall any posts in which anyone complained that she specifically, and not the other 2 as well, got too many back stories.

In the media, she is also protrayed as a fan favorite.

ItsDan
November 9th, 2006, 02:17 PM
Kate's flashbacks and scenes must be easy to write. Put Kate in some situation, have her make the worst possible choice, voila.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 9th, 2006, 02:58 PM
delete dude! watch and be happy. or, can we still watch old eps if we go to ABC.com? are those really old ones still on there?
The only have the episode from this season on ABC.com, and in widescreen, with the full credit, not the cut off BS (with the credits) from Full Screen version.

jds1982
November 9th, 2006, 03:36 PM
I'm a little put off because I thought that Carlton&Damon had said we would know what's up with Karl at the end of the 6 eps. Guess what - I still don't really know. I was also expecting to get to know who's the bad guy - Ben or Juliet or both. I'm still not any smarter. And no patch eyed guy either, although I think that's the detour Locke wants to take.

Who is Karl?

Morbo
November 9th, 2006, 05:03 PM
we do know what happened to karl.
they killed him.

karl was alex's boyfriend.

in one of the earlier episodes - i don't remember which, Alex asks sawyer or kate if there was another guy up in the cages with them, a guy named karl. she was concerned about him.

in last night's ep, when alex runs in, slingshot blazing, when they are hauling her away she shouts "they'll kill him just like they killed my boyfriend."

so, there ya go. end of episode 6. we know Karl is dead.

DEM
November 9th, 2006, 05:10 PM
I beg to differ. Kate has been seen to be quite unpopular. Given that she had 3 flashbacks the first year, fans were already tiring of seeing too much of her and not enough of some minor characters with more interesting backstories. That's why there was only one episode centered around her.bit confused -- Do you mean there was only 1 Kate-ep in Year 2? Huh. If so, I guess that explains why I thought she seemed to have fewer eps than the other 'big' leads. :o

note to self: go look up the character-focus of each ep.

And, yeah, although I make no claim to be an expert on the many niches of Lost fandom, my sense has been that Kate is relatively unpopular overall. It's a shame, really. Personally (unlike some), my problem is not with Evangeline Lilly; it's with the writing. I kinda wonder whether that isn't the driving force behind the dislike: People don't want to spend time on the backstory of one who is (has been written as) a supporting character, rather than a lead/protagonist/hero.

Doesn't look like it's going to get any better. 3x06 was dismal characterisation, IMO.

Descent
November 9th, 2006, 05:11 PM
Kate's flashbacks and scenes must be easy to write. Put Kate in some situation, have her make the worst possible choice, voila.

Hey...Kate doesn't do Taco nights, remember that.

ItsDan
November 9th, 2006, 07:06 PM
We know Alex BELIVES they killed Karl. She was being a bit emotional at the time. There's very little about the show that we "know" beyond all reasonable doubt.

jds1982
November 9th, 2006, 07:17 PM
We know Alex BELIVES they killed Karl. She was being a bit emotional at the time. There's very little about the show that we "know" beyond all reasonable doubt.

We know it's confusing.

takinspace
November 9th, 2006, 09:14 PM
If they kill Kate I can't watch the... uh... Kate... uh... what was that again? Sorry, I was watching Kate :)

Wyrminarrd
November 9th, 2006, 11:54 PM
I have to admit that I was expecting some more from the cliffhanger, this one hardly seemed strong enough for a a 10-12 week break.

Iīm surprised that Jack didnīt simply demand that Kate and Sawyer be set free and given a radio so they could tell him when they reached the lostie beach. I guess that simply would not have been dramatic enough.

I doubt that Kate or Sawyer will die, both are fan favorites though I am a bit worried that one of the new people on the beach seemed like a jerk and might be meant as a replacement for Sawyer.

I think that while Juilet was surprised by Jacks actions she is also delighted, if nothing else this has got to make the proccedure a lot harder and more likely to fail. Juliet is the more dangerous of the two and Iīd like to believe that Jack knows this and wonīt play into her hand if he can at all avoid it.

ItsDan
November 10th, 2006, 04:50 AM
Iīm surprised that Jack didnīt simply demand that Kate and Sawyer be set free and given a radio so they could tell him when they reached the lostie beach. I guess that simply would not have been dramatic enough.

Did you miss the last few minutes of the show?

Tok'Ra Hostess
November 10th, 2006, 05:08 AM
Iīm surprised that Jack didnīt simply demand that Kate and Sawyer be set free and given a radio so they could tell him when they reached the lostie beach. I guess that simply would not have been dramatic enough.

I think it was brilliant planning on Jack's part.

If he'd simply insisted before going into the operation, the Others would have had time to plan a counter offensive. This way, with their apparent leader unconcious and in danger, Jack put them all on the spot. He gave them zero choice.

And I'll just bet Jack's not done with Ben, yet. He knows he'll never go home, especially after this little coop. But he's in a position, with Ben's organs open to his scalpel, to make certain adjustments to his body, making himself indispensible to Ben's continued survival. He could try to trade the Losties freedom from Other's interference or even a way home for them in return for his "services."

I don't think we've seen the last of Jack's flashbacks. I think he's capable of some pretty nasty stuff.

Arative
November 10th, 2006, 06:51 AM
The episode didn't end the way I had thought it would end. I figured they'd fade to black with Ben flatlining and the audience never knowning if Jack purposely tried to kill Ben or it just happened.

But I'm happy with the way the episode turned out. But I find it hard to believe that the Others didn't happen to see Kate and Swayer having sex, unless part of their business is making sex tapes? The cage area did have video cameras.

I wonder how the 2 month hiatus will turn out, will people come back to lost when it goes 16 weeks straight?

jds1982
November 10th, 2006, 07:22 AM
How about that elbow that Jack threw, that guy's got some frustration.

LoneStar1836
November 10th, 2006, 09:19 AM
I am beginning to think that the Island that they showed Sawyer is just another Island and they are all still on the same island that they have always been on since the crash. They knew he would eventualy tell Kate and are just playing mind games with him to keep them from even trying to escape.Interesting thought. I hadn't considered that and just took Ben and face value and believed what he told Sawyer.

Though that sure did look like their island. Sawyer should be able to tell what island he is on. The main island has high elevations that you should be able to see no matter where you are on the island. If this island that they are on is so small, those high elevations would be missing in the background.


I got to admit that the cliff hanger was better than I expected. I thought there would be still about 5 or 10 minutes more. I completely missed that Kate can't for the heck of it escape to the main island's beach, until memnarch pointed it out. Maybe they'll introduce some kind of escape tunnel in the next episode.That's what I'm thinking. Maybe there is some kind of underground/underwater tunnel connecting this little island to the main island.


I wonder how the 2 month hiatus will turn out, will people come back to lost when it goes 16 weeks straight?I know I will. I was lost last season and wasn't a faithful watcher (for several reasons) like I was during season 1. There were five of six episodes I didn't watch. I only caught up on season 2 when I bought the dvds. Haven't missed an ep this season.

alaskannut
November 10th, 2006, 11:32 AM
I don't think we've seen the last of Jack's flashbacks. I think he's capable of some pretty nasty stuff.

We haven't An upcoming ep looks like it may cover his time in Thailand in the flashbacks, and I'd be willing to bet his escape...here's the link: http://www.stationzer0.com/lost-media/index.php?cat=3

takinspace
November 10th, 2006, 10:02 PM
I genuinely don't think Jack is one to mess with. He walks a straight path but my read is that if left without that option, he's the guy who would level the place more quickly and efficiently than anyone else, and without anyone seeing it coming.

Poor Ben... and Juliet for that matter...

jds1982
November 10th, 2006, 10:27 PM
I genuinely don't think Jack is one to mess with. He walks a straight path but my read is that if left without that option, he's the guy who would level the place more quickly and efficiently than anyone else, and without anyone seeing it coming.

Poor Ben... and Juliet for that matter...

It's always the quiet ones.

ste
November 11th, 2006, 04:53 PM
only one person said this and they were ignored, who is this Jacob guy who one of the others mentioned? it seems he is the one who makes the lists, interesting

alaskannut
November 11th, 2006, 05:37 PM
only one person said this and they were ignored, who is this Jacob guy who one of the others mentioned? it seems he is the one who makes the lists, interesting
we're all in the same boat on that one--nobody knows

sgeureka
November 11th, 2006, 10:32 PM
only one person said this and they were ignored, who is this Jacob guy who one of the others mentioned? it seems he is the one who makes the lists, interestingThat's what all Lost fans are thinking about now. Among the main possibilities are

- HIM
- eye patch guy
- somebody's last name (e.g. Juliet) or first name (e.g. Goodwin)
- an alternate name for somebody (e.g. Ethan)
- a complete stranger (other) who will be introduced in later episodes
- a contact person from the outside world (think HANSO)
- an acronym
- ...

That's what I could come up with at the spot. There are many other theories, some are listed at http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob#Theories (and I think there'll be more soon).

Naonak
November 13th, 2006, 09:45 AM
You just know that Ben watched the whole thing. ;)

I thought it was a pretty good episode.

I don't think that Jacob is either Ethan or Goodwin, because Ben called them by those names at the beginning of the season. Maybe there's another spy in the camp...

Billz
November 15th, 2006, 07:09 PM
I havnt seen this episode yet but is it true that Eko dies in it. Because dude, that sucks!

cindyz
November 16th, 2006, 04:22 AM
yes. it is true. Mr. Ecko falls to the island.

Naonak
November 16th, 2006, 08:44 AM
Although not in this episode - it's in episode 5.

lunarleviathan
November 21st, 2006, 06:17 PM
I doubt Jacob is an Other infiltrator. ethan and Goodwin were sent straight away to mix in with the crowd to avoid detection, by the time Ethan was descovered everyone knew eachother too well for another infiltrator, not to mention the massenger manifest. Jacob could however be someone from the crash who has been compromised, my money is on either the woman (could be a code name) or the guy in the red shirt who went with Locke to The Pearl.

Jacob could also simply be a random Other tasked with making the list, although dropping an actual name suggests he is more likely to be significant in some way.

Arga
November 23rd, 2006, 05:55 AM
....Jacob could however be someone from the crash who has been compromised, my money is on either the woman (could be a code name) or the guy in the red shirt who went with Locke to The Pearl...
very interesting idea.
It's true that it's rare that a show introduce characters and names just for the sake of it. Everything that is mentioned is useful for the future.
I'm sure that those 2 new characters are not simple innocent crashed passengers that would be unconditional heroes like the main "good guys" characters from season 1.

raduzhok
January 8th, 2007, 06:51 AM
We're a month away from LOST's return to broadcast... what's the deal with the time change? That doesn't usually bode well for a show when they start messing around with where and when it's shown. Do we have something to worry about?

Emerald01
January 8th, 2007, 09:29 AM
Also, I think Sayid may go soon, since I can't imagine too many more episodes about him.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! They cannot kill Sayid! There is SO much more to him. And they need him. He's the balancing character. He is so underrated and overlooked. I would not be upset if the Monster took Kate's head off though.

Cheers!
Em

Emerald01
January 8th, 2007, 09:35 AM
I kinda wonder whether that isn't the driving force behind the dislike: People don't want to spend time on the backstory of one who is (has been written as) a supporting character, rather than a lead/protagonist/hero.

Doesn't look like it's going to get any better. 3x06 was dismal characterisation, IMO.
I agree with you there.

In truth, Kate was originally meant to be THE lead of the show. Jack was supposed to die in the Pilot. Things evolved and changed with the character chemistry, casting, etc. The problem *is* with the writing though. They gave Kate a basically irredeemable background. She *should* be in jail for murder. Plain and simple. As long as there was a chance she'd been set up or something, there was a chance to like her as a character. But she's a lying murderer. Then they changed the writing from "She's a bad-ass who can knock the marshall around, so he needs 5 guns" to little miss helpless who is the reason the boys keep having to put down their guns. Very poorly done, imo.

Yeah, I know this was ages ago, but I just joined here and love discussing the show. :)

Cheers!
Em

Emerald01
January 8th, 2007, 09:52 AM
We're a month away from LOST's return to broadcast... what's the deal with the time change? That doesn't usually bode well for a show when they start messing around with where and when it's shown. Do we have something to worry about?
I am a little worried. I didn't even know about the time change. And they haven't been doing promos for LOST at all. That is disturbing. If they don't remind viewers about the show, they won't get the viewers back. Mistakes they made with other shows, and they apparently don't have much of a learning curve at ABC.

*sigh*
Em

cindyz
January 8th, 2007, 03:37 PM
ummm what is the new time then? has the day of the week changed as well?

sgeureka
January 9th, 2007, 04:07 AM
I am a little worried. I didn't even know about the time change. And they haven't been doing promos for LOST at all. That is disturbing. If they don't remind viewers about the show, they won't get the viewers back. Mistakes they made with other shows, and they apparently don't have much of a learning curve at ABC.

*sigh*
EmWhat are you talking about? There have been 6 Lost Moment promos during Day Break, then a seventh promo during Grey's Anatomy. Another one was "aired" exclusively online last week. (All those promos on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Zelou3lk)). Then they had a big 1min TV promo (http://youtube.com/watch?v=T87xsRkj45k) (and also a shorter one) last week advertising the new time slot.

It's all there... :)

(Also, Lost will come back in one month, so ATM there is no point in advertising the crap out of it other than to rub it in the audience's face and saying "haha still 6 weeks to go" -- and give a little treat to those who can't wait. :))


ummm what is the new time then? has the day of the week changed as well?Starting Wednesday, Feb 7 2007, 10/9c (one hour later than usual; probably to avoid American Idol).

cindyz
January 9th, 2007, 10:12 AM
Thanks for all the links for the promos. I dont watch Day Break or Grey's Anatomy..so I missed all of them. this gets U green!

raduzhok
January 9th, 2007, 01:49 PM
I am a little worried. I didn't even know about the time change. And they haven't been doing promos for LOST at all. That is disturbing. If they don't remind viewers about the show, they won't get the viewers back. Mistakes they made with other shows, and they apparently don't have much of a learning curve at ABC.

*sigh*
Em

Actually, the only promos for LOST I have seen was during the mid-season take over, DAYBREAK. They showed scenes from the upcoming 'season' of LOST... a different one each week. That was when I found out about it being shown at 10pm (ET) instead of at 9pm. The change bothers me because its going up against CSI:NY which has been doing very well.

Lida
January 12th, 2007, 09:52 AM
Lost started out with so much promise.....unfortunately, it has "lost" it's way.

Morbo
January 12th, 2007, 09:40 PM
no, it hasn't.

raduzhok
January 13th, 2007, 08:07 AM
Lost started out with so much promise.....unfortunately, it has "lost" it's way.

I'm beginning to feel that way as well. Don't get me wrong, it still holds my interest but I often get the feeling that TPTB are grasping at straws about what to do and where to take it. Right now it is more like being in a maze than anything else; storylines seem to deadend and others are set in motion in their place but are obviously not connected to what dead ended.

Again, that time change worries me because it is up against CSI:NY which seems to be overtaking the original CSI and the Miami CSI in popularity. That puts LOST in a position which could make it's life shorter. Unfortunately ratings are everything to those behind the shows and the viewers are the ones that lose in the end.

Morbo
January 13th, 2007, 08:22 AM
guys. seriously.
if you've ever read any interviews or listened to the podcasts, you'd know that they don't introduce a storyline unless they know its ultimate direction.
Every single thing going on right now - they know where its going.

there's lots of things happening. and thats good. it makes the show very interesting and very intertwining.

Angela V
January 15th, 2007, 02:23 AM
Um. wonder what the time change will do to my Canadian CTV channel? When American Idol comes on LOST has been moved to 7pm before. They do air a CSI at 10pm so I don't think LOST can go into that timeslot. Should be interesting where it ends up. I don't watch any t.v. on Wednesday nights except LOST so don't even know the rest of the schedule right now!

All I want to know is the show going to re-air the first 6 episodes? I missed recording the first one so only have 2-6 to rewatch. I can't even really remember what happened right now either! This break wasn't very helpful :)

Cam_Mitchell
January 18th, 2007, 09:03 AM
Well, it's pretty much a given that either Kate or Sawyer will die. They had sex. That's what happens on Lost; you have sex, you die later that episode. I'm guessing it will be Kate. Sawyer's much too popular a character to kill off, and having it be Kate will really put both Sawyer and Jack through the ringer.

...I thought the tumor was on Ben's NECK.

No if you look at the x-rays it was on the middle of the spine.

cindyz
January 18th, 2007, 06:36 PM
No if you look at the x-rays it was on the middle of the spine.


ummm I had already answered this question...perhaps you missed my response.



nope. I went back and had to pause, so I could really check out the xray. it clearly shows the tumor is on his lumbar spine area..I can see the last ribs and the top of the pelvic crest in that particular xray. yeah, they did show a view of the cervical spine at one point as well...and i went back cause I am a radiology rn, so i was curious. and that is the area that Jack was operating on. and the fact that Jack said he cut a major blood vessel leading to Ben's kidney also made sense.

just thought I'd clear that up. :D

Emerald01
January 19th, 2007, 09:07 PM
All I want to know is the show going to re-air the first 6 episodes? I missed recording the first one so only have 2-6 to rewatch. I can't even really remember what happened right now either! This break wasn't very helpful :)
No, the break isn't helpful. You can blame all the bleaters who went on about repeats. :p Can you access the streaming episodes through abc.com?

Cheers!
Em

Angela V
January 25th, 2007, 12:56 AM
No, the break isn't helpful. You can blame all the bleaters who went on about repeats. :p Can you access the streaming episodes through abc.com?

Cheers!
Em

I'm in Canada, so no. Though I think CTV, canadian station that airs it may be showing some shows on-line. Seems many stations are jumping on this bandwagon. :).
I haven't been watching much t.v. lately. Got lots of cool shows on DVD from Christmas. So have only seen one promo for LOST.

MB.Eddie
March 22nd, 2007, 11:54 PM
Good ep.

Great to see Nathan Fillion (Firefly) have a role on Lost. He played Kate's Husband and a Cop quiet well. Hope we see him again.

Good Sawyer and Kate moments in this ep.

Very good move by Jack messing with Ben's surgery at the end, to give Kate and Sawyer a chance to escape.