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Arga
October 4th, 2006, 04:20 AM
We know that there are Naquada mines, but I can't remember any mention of a Crystal mine.

Where do they come from? how are those colourful energy/data crystals made? Do they still produce them or is it only what remains from the ancients. (so if one breaks, that's it!).


note; in the book "Rebellion", Abydos people were working on a crystal mine.

Anonmatel
October 4th, 2006, 04:31 AM
They could be made by the Goa'uld, Tokra, Asgard.

However they could be a natural occuring phenomena somewhere in the Galaxy.

Scientists think that on Neptune and Uranus it actually RAINS Diamonds. now there's a reason to build your own spacecraft....

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/carbon-99d.html

immhotep
October 4th, 2006, 04:38 AM
dammit, i wana be born on neptune!
i think they are grown and then imprinted with the coding they need to work all the different bits and bobs ( hyperdrive crystel, shield crystel etc)

talyn2k1
October 4th, 2006, 06:50 AM
I think immhotep has got it right.

I`m guessing they are probably grown/produced in a manner similar to the Tok`ra tunnel crystals and so they or the Asgard probably showed us how to make them.

I wonder if there is a key to the different colors of crystals ie. Yellow for hyperdrive, red for weapons, etc.

FallenAngelII
October 4th, 2006, 06:55 AM
Do we even know what the crystals are made out of? Kvasir was able to create a reprogrammed crystal for the second Supergate.

I'm assuming it's not the fact that we can't produce the crystals that are preventing us from hacking Ancient systems. It's the fact that Ancient technology is so way beyond us we can't even dream of programming Ancient tech on our own (we can hack them slightly, a la Kvasir and Rodney McKay though).

talyn2k1
October 4th, 2006, 07:05 AM
Do we even know what the crystals are made out of? Kvasir was able to create a reprogrammed crystal for the second Supergate.

I'm assuming it's not the fact that we can't produce the crystals that are preventing us from hacking Ancient systems. It's the fact that Ancient technology is so way beyond us we can't even dream of programming Ancient tech on our own (we can hack them slightly, a la Kvasir and Rodney McKay though).


The crystal that Kvasir re-programmed looked very similar to the Ancients' crystals so writing to/reading from them should`ve been no problem.

The only problem with what happened in 'Camelot' is that they programmed a replacement crystal without knowing what 'programming language' the Supergate was using.
If they already had a crystal then it probably wouldn`t of been that difficult to program a replacement but they hadn`t even accessed an existing crystal at this point.

The whole replacement crystal thing came a bit too easily for my liking although it didn`t in any way ruin my enjoyment of the episode. I reserve nit picking of that level to strictly after my first viewing. Enjoy the first viewing and then afterwards rip the episode to shreds :D

Only thing I can think of is that somehow the Asgard hacked into the crystal remotely to determine how/what instructions were needed to make the gate dial and then duplicated these signals on their own crystal.

From that it was simply a matter of swapping the crystals.

FallenAngelII
October 4th, 2006, 07:20 AM
The crystal that Kvasir re-programmed looked very similar to the Ancients' crystals so writing to/reading from them should`ve been no problem.

The only problem with what happened in 'Camelot' is that they programmed a replacement crystal without knowing what 'programming language' the Supergate was using.
If they already had a crystal then it probably wouldn`t of been that difficult to program a replacement but they hadn`t even accessed an existing crystal at this point.

The whole replacement crystal thing came a bit too easily for my liking although it didn`t in any way ruin my enjoyment of the episode. I reserve nit picking of that level to strictly after my first viewing. Enjoy the first viewing and then afterwards rip the episode to shreds :D

Only thing I can think of is that somehow the Asgard hacked into the crystal remotely to determine how/what instructions were needed to make the gate dial and then duplicated these signals on their own crystal.

From that it was simply a matter of swapping the crystals.

Or, hey, they beamed in a crystal from one of the segments. They're the Asgard! :P

immhotep
October 4th, 2006, 07:36 AM
cept they couldnt beam sam out which means the gates are likely shielded, answering the long lost mystery of 'can be beam through gates' i think its a no :(

FallenAngelII
October 4th, 2006, 07:39 AM
cept they couldnt beam sam out which means the gates are likely shielded, answering the long lost mystery of 'can be beam through gates' i think its a no :(

Actually, they couldn't beam her out because of all of the interference going on because of the gate activating (they could beam her in to begin with).

They probably didn't beam the crystal out, though, because they couldn't beam it back in. That was just a joke.

Heaven
October 4th, 2006, 08:33 AM
Only thing I can think of is that somehow the Asgard hacked into the crystal remotely to determine how/what instructions were needed to make the gate dial and then duplicated these signals on their own crystal.

thats probably what happened. how else would they even know that this is the dialing crystal..
we've already seen the asgard reprogram our computers and modify our ships remotely, without even asking us :)

talyn2k1
October 4th, 2006, 08:34 AM
This one is right out of the box but I`m wondering if the reason Kvasir knew how to program a dialing crystal for a piece of technology they had never seen before was because they know more about the Ori than they are letting on.

Remember in S9(?) when Thor and Heimdall were pre-occupied in another galaxy? Maybe they found another supergate in another galaxy or encountered the Ori in some other way and thats how he knew what to do.

I`m aware that there are many many theories as to what Thor and Heimdall were upto so this is just my addition to the pot.

FallenAngelII
October 4th, 2006, 09:34 AM
There's also the possiblity we salvaged some parts of the first Supergate. It wasn't completely incinerated.

Didn't Kvasir say something that sounded like they were busy trying to solve their cloning problem?

Star Fox
October 4th, 2006, 11:21 AM
they would have o be grown, in Nature (im a geology student) it takes millions of years for crytsals to form, and one's of the size of the Crystals would take a very long time, so they HAVE to be artifically grown, and to even do that would be extremly hard

Im sure there is some way to do it, and after all im a firm believer that anything is possiable, but exactly how you got me


wonder what minerals their made of.....

Arga
October 4th, 2006, 11:53 AM
I like this one, from episode 6.03 Descent

Thor's consciousness was downloaded in the ship's computer by Anubis...

http://ednys.free.fr/fig/bscap053.jpg

:sam:
Here he is.

http://ednys.free.fr/fig/bscap057.jpg

:jack:

You sure you got all of him in there? He's a smart guy, you know?

http://ednys.free.fr/fig/bscap051.jpg

If there is a code of colours, blue/indigo/purple is data storage!

immhotep
October 4th, 2006, 01:44 PM
Red is control crystel
white is hyperdrive
orange is shields
blue is data
purple is power
Green is weapons

I think...

Randilyn
October 5th, 2006, 03:57 AM
Except that the control crystal on Prometheus was long and blue ("Prometheus").

Brigadier General Pants
October 5th, 2006, 09:23 PM
Except that the control crystal on Prometheus was long and blue ("Prometheus").

And look what happened the Prometheus in that ep! If only they had stuck to the original colour coding...

Cap116
October 6th, 2006, 05:49 AM
Except that the control crystal on Prometheus was long and blue ("Prometheus").

It might be that the Control Crystals for the DHDs are red, and all the control crystals for the ships are blue. The color of the crystal could determine the amount of information that the crystal can hold. Thus the red control crystals have the most since they store all the different gate addresses in a DHD.

thefunkyone
October 6th, 2006, 06:25 AM
If i mind right dont the DHD's have a whole rainbow of different coloured crystals under the main panel (i.e: each button had a different colour)....

Also the goa'uld also use clear crystals (similar to the ancient ones) in the episode where they get Thors mind from the crashed goa'uld mothership theres a bit where Jonas is altering the configuration of a rack of crystals, and they were the clear type.... I know that was on one of Anubis'es altered ones, but Jonas did mention that he had read over the specs for the goa'uld motherships a few times and at that point in time the SGC never knew much about the ancient modifications anubis made, so the clear crystals must be a standard part of goa'uld technology.

There probably is no colour = type of crystal, The TPTB probably stick whatever colours of crystal makes the tech look pretty and advanced !

As for how the crystals are made, in real life they are probably just plastic or coloured glass, in the show the goa'uld probably make them syntheticly in manufacturing plants !

jpf190279
October 6th, 2006, 08:32 AM
Or perhaps they are organic in nature, or to be more precise, a live. I remember a VERY early SG1 episode where colonel o'neill was replaced by a sentient crystalline entity that were massacred by the Jaffa.

Perhaps the Goauld realised when they killed these entities that their form could be used to store and process data. After all isn't that was sentient beings do? And how good a processor is a living crystal that is based off of an intelligent living crystal.

Surely thats worth persuing assuming no sentient beings are hurt in the process.

-J

P.S.

Consider that Thors conciousness was running actively within Goauld data/process crystals means that these crystals in theory AT least could host their OWN conciousness. Perhaps the crystalline entities were by products of Ancient AI and crystal processor technology.

Cap116
October 6th, 2006, 04:14 PM
Do you think that the size of the crystal depends on amount of memory it has? Or that size and color mean absolutely nothing and they are just used to make things look pretty?

When it comes to the Large Red Control Crystal in the DHD, which I believe is blue in Atlantis, it is only that big because of the large red button on the DHD.

Brigadier General Pants
October 7th, 2006, 01:08 AM
Or perhaps they are organic in nature, or to be more precise, a live. I remember a VERY early SG1 episode where colonel o'neill was replaced by a sentient crystalline entity that were massacred by the Jaffa.

Perhaps the Goauld realised when they killed these entities that their form could be used to store and process data. After all isn't that was sentient beings do? And how good a processor is a living crystal that is based off of an intelligent living crystal.

Surely thats worth persuing assuming no sentient beings are hurt in the process.

That could be a really interesting plot development, that they find out that the crystals are capable of sentience...

Jakebbq
October 7th, 2006, 06:33 AM
I was reading stuff on crystal based technology on the net and scientist say they need to make artificial crystal's because natural ones wont work

I just googled crystal based technology ages ago so yeah

immhotep
October 7th, 2006, 07:59 AM
That could be a really interesting plot development, that they find out that the crystals are capable of sentience...
We saw way back in S1 that they were, the crystels, or some kind of crystel life form exists which looked like a larger version of the ship ones, IMO they are grown but a living template, perhaps from those living ones were used as the template.

Brigadier General Pants
October 8th, 2006, 06:54 AM
We saw way back in S1 that they were, the crystels, or some kind of crystel life form exists which looked like a larger version of the ship ones, IMO they are grown but a living template, perhaps from those living ones were used as the template.

Yeah that's what I was getting at, the two types of crystals are somehow related - maybe the sentient crystals get knowledge of this crystal tech somehow, and view it like experimenting on/abusing their children?

Kind of wierd I know, but it could work.