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GateWorld
September 29th, 2006, 11:11 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 304</FONT>
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Ben and the Others go to great lengths to keep Sawyer in line. When one of them is shot, Julia calls upon Jack to try and save her life.

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ItsDan
October 26th, 2006, 06:49 AM
I thought it was a really good episode. I dont know if I like the

second island. Does weird stuff happen there too? Is Jack being held there or on the original island? I'm guessing the original since he was in a hatch. Were the zoology studies being done on this second island, or did they just move the cages?



I suspected they had a sub, they boarded the sailboat from the water not the dock, but they weren't wet, and a boat might be visible to Sayid.

Thermonuclearboy
October 26th, 2006, 07:19 AM
Jack is clearly being held on the second island. They wouldn't have bothered to bring him in to try and help Colleen if he wasn't close enough to get there in time. It makes sense that a marine life research station would be on its own islet, though.

So, the plot thickens:

Our three prisoners were abducted specifically because the Others need them for one reason or another. They need Jack's skill as a surgeon, and they need Sawyer for...something. Perhaps revealed in next week's episode. Kate I think they just took as insurance to keep the other two in line; threaten her with violence and both of the boys will cave.

I guess I was kinda hoping to be proved right. My theory was that the Others are conducting some sort of behavioral experiment on the castaways, and they removed from the equation the three people smart enough and/or stubborn enough to jeopardize the integrity of the experiment. Now it turns out they just need a doctor. Kind of disappointing...

ItsDan
October 26th, 2006, 10:53 AM
They need Kate to model their new Dharma line of clothing apparently.

rarocks24
October 26th, 2006, 12:04 PM
I really, REALLY don't like Ben. I was kinda wishing Sawyer would have done us a favor and pushed him off the cliff or something.

The Signal
October 26th, 2006, 01:05 PM
Great ep, though the pacemaker thing was really obvious to me. I wonder, if they are on a second Island, how the polar bears got to the Losties island?

I really like Juliet and Ben. Jack is getting better and Sawyer is fast becoming my favourite character. As for Desmond, how freaky was that! :eek:

An easy 9/10 for this ep

KatG
October 26th, 2006, 01:42 PM
Great episode.

Ben is truly evil and a manipulator extradonaire.

Sawyer was actually "sweet" in this episode. Love that Kate wouldn't leave when she had the chance.

Desmond is just freaky. What's with this precog ability he has?

Can't believe they're on a whole separate island.

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 26th, 2006, 03:44 PM
Great ep, though the pacemaker thing was really obvious to me. I wonder, if they are on a second Island, how the polar bears got to the Losties island?

I really like Juliet and Ben. Jack is getting better and Sawyer is fast becoming my favourite character. As for Desmond, how freaky was that! :eek:

An easy 9/10 for this ep

Polar bears are champion swimmers.

Loved this ep. Lots of nice twists. I liked that Kate brought back Jack's saying, "live together, die alone." A very nice contrast to the ep's title.

I wonder why Grieving Guy stopped beating Sawyer after Kate confessed her luv? I thought he'd a beat on him all the more.

memnarch
October 26th, 2006, 04:15 PM
A good episode. Some things were revealed (i.e. the sub, the Hydra island, etc.) and lots of questions were raised as well (gee, haven't seen that in a Lost episode before...). Interesting flashback from Sawyer. I did not expect him to be cooperating with the warden. Although, I did see the the fact the pacemaker wasn't real from a mile away. The Others have questionable motives but they're not evil enough to do that. Desmond's experiment was exciting and I look forward to where the writers are taking his storyline. I was dissapointed not to see Locke or Eko, but I suppose you can't have it all.

** 1/2 stars from me

Descent
October 26th, 2006, 04:27 PM
Wow, that was intense. I was worried that this season was starting a bit too slow but now it's picked up a bit. Glad Sawyer punched Ben finally. :)

Two Islands, it explains a lot.

***1/2 from me on GW's scale

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 26th, 2006, 05:00 PM
I though it was a good episode. I found it interesting the Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are located on another island. I wonder what happened to Jin and the other two (their names are a blank for me at the moment).

Next week's episode looks interesting.

Ragnarok13
October 26th, 2006, 05:35 PM
im really starting to like desmond alot, while he hasnt done anything major, the future seeing powers are gonna be interesting to explain

4/5

rarocks24
October 26th, 2006, 07:03 PM
I've got it! Desmond will be the one to change the numbers!!! :eek:

Descent
October 26th, 2006, 07:47 PM
I also liked Kate telling Sawyer she only said she loved him to save him. Glad the Sawyer/Kate ship is going down. :P

knowsfords
October 26th, 2006, 11:31 PM
I also liked Kate telling Sawyer she only said she loved him to save him. Glad the Sawyer/Kate ship is going down. :P

Or is it :D

Descent
October 26th, 2006, 11:56 PM
Or is it :D

Well, I hope it is. ;)

I prefer Jack/Kate myself.

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 27th, 2006, 06:12 AM
You know, Kate's heinous act against her biological father is starting to make more sense to me, now. Kate is intensely loyal. What she did has always creeped me out because her reasons for blowing up dad are nothing like the reasons other Losties/Others have killed.

I feel better about Kate after what she did in this ep.

KatG
October 27th, 2006, 09:14 AM
I also liked Kate telling Sawyer she only said she loved him to save him. Glad the Sawyer/Kate ship is going down. :P

Is it? Or did Kate backtrack because she's not comfortable with her feelings. If she doesn't love Sawyer, why did she go back into the cage. "live together, die alone" doesn't seem like enough of a reason to me, at least not for Kate. As for Sawyer, his typical reaction is "every man for himself", but he's not willing to sacrifice Kate's safety.

cindyz
October 27th, 2006, 01:32 PM
maybe because these two are changing their evil ways? becoming better people than they once were? bonding and learning to trust doesnt come easy for folks like Sawyer and Kate.

KatG
October 27th, 2006, 03:42 PM
maybe because these two are changing their evil ways? becoming better people than they once were? bonding and learning to trust doesnt come easy for folks like Sawyer and Kate.

I believe that this is true. However what has led to them changing their evil ways. Love for each other perhaps. ;)

rarocks24
October 27th, 2006, 07:25 PM
Well, all of the Losties are changing their evil ways. But that's just it, they were never truly evil to begin with. Sun was just raised in such a manner that she was never disciplined for lying. Jin worked for Sun's father, and did whatever he said, because he felt he was trapped by honor. Jack did the right thing in reporting that his father was drunk (he really had no other choice, it would have been wrong of him not to). Locke lived on a marijuana farm, we don't actually know if he smoked it, but why would it matter? Hell, even Ana Lucia wasn't a bad person. She was deranged about the fact that she lost a child (or potential child, depending on your view about life) due to some punk who didn't want to go to jail.

None of the Losties are truly evil. Boone was a decent person. Some of the Losties on the island are good people...one wonders why they didn't make Ethan's list.

AZ0487
October 28th, 2006, 04:08 PM
Hey who esle think they really need to speed things along. I mean every week then answer one maybe 2 questions but they give us 30 more thing we need and want to know. I really getting tired of of the show going so slow.

cindyz
October 29th, 2006, 12:54 AM
stop watching it then.

Arga
October 29th, 2006, 11:52 AM
About the second island where the Others are... Is it visible from the main Island? it must face a side of the main island that is far from the "losties beach".

Now about that woman, Col, who was shot by Sun, she was "rescued" by a bunch of Others, so what happened to Sun? I wonder if she was taken prisoner too. And when they find out she is pregnant...

cindyz
October 29th, 2006, 01:49 PM
I thought Jin, Sun and Sayid all were able to get away...Jin went into the water and found Sun. Aren't they going back to their beach? or continueing to spy on the "Others"? Perhaps this will be shown in this weeks episode.

sgeureka
October 29th, 2006, 01:56 PM
Hey who esle think they really need to speed things along. I mean every week then answer one maybe 2 questions but they give us 30 more thing we need and want to know. I really getting tired of of the show going so slow.Slow? Whenever I've watched a new episode I need roughly two days to process it. :rolleyes: Try looking for people connections and the numbers, or read up on theories in a Lost forum. Amazing stuff there.


About the second island where the Others are... Is it visible from the main Island? it must face a side of the main island that is far from the "losties beach".Maybe, maybe not. Either way, if I was stuck on the main island, I wouldn't worry much about an island twice the size of Alcatraz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcatraz). What would you hope to find there (other than your missing losties ;))?


Now about that woman, Col, who was shot by Sun, she was "rescued" by a bunch of Others, so what happened to Sun? I wonder if she was taken prisoner too. And when they find out she is pregnant...Didn't Jin swim up to her and rescue her? I thought he did.

Wyrminarrd
October 30th, 2006, 02:40 AM
Jin and Sun should be safe, for now.

I wonder if the others are living on this other island because they know that there are strange things going on on the losties island? Perhaps by living further away they manage to get a smaller dose of what ever made Locke healthy, thus getting the benefits without becoming barbarians (assuming there is still a group of others we haven´t seen).

Neon-Frog
October 30th, 2006, 03:12 AM
You're forgetting that Ethan and Goodwin were on foot to get to the tail/fuselage sections of the plan. That sort of implies that the Others village is on the same island that the plane crashed on.

I think the showing of the 2nd island was either some elaborate ploy/smoke screen to keep Sawyer in line. Or they have various research facilities on the 2nd island that they are keeping them on

Wyrminarrd
October 30th, 2006, 03:32 AM
True, but perhaps Ethan used a boat or something to reach the island and then went on foot?

Or the Others could have been on summer holiday on the island to get maximum exposure for a certain time... :P

Maybe the new island is just were they keep their experiments. I think it´s a bit of a stretch to assume that the Others set up shop on this other island just to freck with Sawyer, far more likely that the Others simply wanted to store the losties someplace were the other losties aren´t able to save them. This would explain why it was so important for the Others to get the boat.

MB.Eddie
October 31st, 2006, 05:00 AM
Fantastic ep. Involved all the cast, and was interesting all the way through :)

ItsDan
November 1st, 2006, 04:48 AM
In the season opener didn't they show a camera flyover which showed the Others' camp on the same island?

memnarch
November 1st, 2006, 12:22 PM
They showed the Others' home, their houses and so forth, to be on the Island, yes. However that's not to say that they can't work or whatever they do on the Hydra Island.

SoulReaver
November 2nd, 2006, 05:55 AM
OK folks...am I the only one to think there's a MAJOR disconnect here with that 2nd island suddenly showing up outa nowhere ? Sure it adds an interesting twist to the storyline but seriously...a whole ****in' island only a few miles off the Lost one & not a single survivor noticed it during their entire 2 months stay ?

oh well

here's a few explanations I could come with, from the reasonable to the far-fetched along with the absurd

- the "Hydra island" was on the other side of where the survivors lived & none of them journeyed that far off the beach
(but that's still doesn't explain why Sayid Jin & Sun missed it when they circled the island on Desmond's boat :tealcanime49: )

- the survivors were too busy getting lost to notice anything

- the Hydra island is concealed by some type of cloaking device

- it's a ploy to convince the prisoners that escape is futile : the island Sawyer saw was an "illusion" of some sort - in fact he, Kate & Jack never left their island

Tok'Ra Hostess
November 2nd, 2006, 09:12 AM
But isn't that why the Others went out to get the sailboat? Because they didn't want Sayid to sail around the island and discover the second island? Isn't that what they were talking about when Ben sent the woman out on her mission?

SoulReaver
November 2nd, 2006, 09:31 AM
maybe...
on the other hand Russo (the french lass) has been on the island for what - 16 years ? and apparently she's traveled all over the place - yet even she never found out about the 2nd island...??



btw from the Hydra island to the Lost one didn't seem like a long swim (unless the waters in between were shark-infested or something -)

knowsfords
November 2nd, 2006, 03:49 PM
Desmond sailed around the island completely trying to get out I'm betting theres some kind of force field

cindyz
November 2nd, 2006, 07:05 PM
yes, and although some complain about how slow the show progresses...die hard fans such as us will come back week after week, and console each other with Lost threads until the episodes return. :D

SoulReaver
November 2nd, 2006, 07:54 PM
yes, and although some complain about how slow the show progresses...die hard fans such as us will come back week after week, and console each other with Lost threads until the episodes return. :DSo say we all http://img.presence-pc.com/forum/icones/smilies/jap.gif


wait...wrong forum


:sheppardanime21:

cindyz
November 2nd, 2006, 08:49 PM
So say we all http://img.presence-pc.com/forum/icones/smilies/jap.gif


wait...wrong forum


:sheppardanime21:

teehee. I thought the same thing. i also love BSG. just dont visit that forum...yet.;)

Tok'Ra Hostess
November 3rd, 2006, 05:55 AM
maybe...
on the other hand Russo (the french lass) has been on the island for what - 16 years ? and apparently she's traveled all over the place - yet even she never found out about the 2nd island...??



Desmond sailed around the island completely trying to get out I'm betting theres some kind of force field

Well, Russeau isn't exactly the most talkative character on the island. Look at how she led us to believe that the Black rock was just some geographical feature, and then, what a surprise to discover that it was a galleon.

As for Desmond sailing all the way around the island, I don't think that he actually did. Desmond is an experienced sailor and yet he couldn't get away from the island. It seems quite reasonable to me that if he was using his nav charts he would have thought he was going round the island, whereas he wasn't really. If people on the land see weird stuff, why not on the water, as well? Desmond may have been turning hard to port ( the nautical term for making an illegal U-turn or something :P ) all the while believing that he was sailing in a (more or less, because, you know, no white lines in the water) straight line

Unlike Desmond's first attempt at escape from the island, Sayid's group were sailing after the hatch with the hugmongous electro-magnetic thingie imploded. Maybe nav systems are no longer affected, letting sailors go where they please and finding the second island.

Also, the Others knew that Sayid's group were looking to shore to find Jack and company. They'd be hugging the coastline, unlike Desmond who would likely be sailing away from the main island, not around it.

SoulReaver
November 3rd, 2006, 10:55 AM
Well, Russeau isn't exactly the most talkative character on the island. Look at how she led us to believe that the Black rock was just some geographical feature, and then, what a surprise to discover that it was a galleon.

As for Desmond sailing all the way around the island, I don't think that he actually did. Desmond is an experienced sailor and yet he couldn't get away from the island. It seems quite reasonable to me that if he was using his nav charts he would have thought he was going round the island, whereas he wasn't really. If people on the land see weird stuff, why not on the water, as well? Desmond may have been turning hard to port ( the nautical term for making an illegal U-turn or something :P ) all the while believing that he was sailing in a (more or less, because, you know, no white lines in the water) straight line

Unlike Desmond's first attempt at escape from the island, Sayid's group were sailing after the hatch with the hugmongous electro-magnetic thingie imploded. Maybe nav systems are no longer affected, letting sailors go where they please and finding the second island.

Also, the Others knew that Sayid's group were looking to shore to find Jack and company. They'd be hugging the coastline, unlike Desmond who would likely be sailing away from the main island, not around it.Rousseau would surely have mentionned something of such magnitude as a 2nd island, at least whenever she spoke of the Others. Equally logical to assume Desmond would have circled the island in his attempt to find a way out - like an animal circling its cage :|
Not to mention Sayid who had an even greater chance of spotting the island if as you suggest the hatch was somehow generating a field that prevented anyone within from seeing out (since Sayid was also at sea after the hatch imploded)

rarocks24
November 3rd, 2006, 02:01 PM
That's the thing, Sayid may not have searched that far. :S

knowsfords
November 3rd, 2006, 02:37 PM
It might even just be that from sea the second island looks to be part of the first.

rarocks24
November 3rd, 2006, 06:04 PM
I still thought Sawyer should have pushed Ben off, right around when he started going off on that good crap again.

Message to Ben: YOU, ARE, A, HYPOCRITE!!!!