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September 29th, 2006, 11:10 PM
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Sayid's plan to find their friends captured by the Others puts the lives of Sun and Jin in danger. Sawyer and Kate are forced into manual labor.

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The Signal
October 12th, 2006, 10:20 AM
Well, lets see, I'm not a fan of Jin and Sun, so this was never going to be a great one for me. That said I loved Sayid's planning, very much in character. Sawyer starting a fight to see what they were up againstwas brilliant, didnt see it coming. Major props have to go to Ben (Michael Emmerson), damn that guy is creepy, everything from "I want that boat" to the final scene with Jack (which was one of the best scenes Lost has had so far IMO) had me gripped.

What do I want to see from this episode? How the Others retaliate to Sun killing one of their own.

Mystery moment: Ben has been there all his life? So, there were people on the island before Dharma? Now THATS going to be an interesting story!

Overall: 7/10

Thermonuclearboy
October 12th, 2006, 10:37 AM
Either that, or we just pushed back the establishment of the DHARMA Intitiative on the Island about a decade. Ben's clearly more than 30 years old, which is about as long as most of the DHARMA equipment could have been there, judging by the level of technology. Or perhaps he's speaking metaphorically. Remember what Juliet said, "What we WERE doesn't matter." Maybe he just considers his life before coming to the Island as not important.

...so Sun's not as innocent as we thought she was...interesting...

LoneStar1836
October 12th, 2006, 10:49 AM
That said I loved Sayid's planning, very much in character. I don’t think so. His attention to detail and his initial idea were classic Sayid, and I liked his idea to ambush the Others and hopefully take some prisoner, but then he just went stupid. First he left the boat tied up to the dock. Now if he was going to use that for bait then fine, but it seemed that that wasn’t the plan since they were totally oblivious to them overrunning it. You would think they would have had the dock covered, but nobody was watching it. These Others aren’t dumb enough to walk right up to a fire when there is a boat over there. I guess that was a way of getting the sailboat out of the picture, but I have problems thinking that Sayid would be dumb enough to let them overrun the boat like that and not even think that there was a possibility that they would go for it instead. That’s why the boat should have been left anchored offshore.

Okay other than that flaw in the story, I liked the rest of the episode.

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 12th, 2006, 11:42 AM
We missed the first half of the ep due to CTV's random scheduling. :(

That part with Jack and Ben was very interesting, indeed. Makes me wonder if other minor characters we've met in flashbacks weren't once prisoners on the island and programmed, the way the others are obviously trying to do to Jack.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 12th, 2006, 12:02 PM
I thought it was a far better episode than last week's premiere because we actually saw more Cast members. Can't wait till next weeks ep, I really want know what happened in the hatch after that mysterious flash in the finale.

cindyz
October 12th, 2006, 12:26 PM
I think the whole purpose of the island/experiment is to reprogram people. But to what purpose? Yeah, Sayid leaving the boat open was just plain stupid. I wonder what will happen to Sun, what kind of retaliation the Others will reak upon the Losties for her killing one of their own. hmmm...maybe they will eventually snatch her baby? cant wait for next week.

Aurum
October 12th, 2006, 12:52 PM
I can't help but love Henry (I guess I should start calling him Benjamin now, huh? ) even more after this episode, if that's possible.

I find it funny how that even though Jack is my favourite character, I usually find his flashbacks the least interesting. So I'm glad that this weak I wasn't painfully waiting for the flashback segments to end, and, to some extent, I actually in enjoyed them more than the actual episode.

Can't wait 'til next week when we're back with the rest of the Losties.

Arative
October 12th, 2006, 01:28 PM
Wasn't a bad episode, starting this season off slow though. I liked that Sawyer stood up to the Others, would have liked to have seen him shock one though!

Ben is one creepy guy as is Juliet. She seems all nice but I think Sawyer is right, she wouldn't have hesitated to kill Kate. Hope the next 5 episodes pick up a little steam and answer some questions.

Red Tigress
October 12th, 2006, 01:52 PM
Heh, it's been a long time since I came here. Anywho, just wanted to put in my two cents.

I guess the guy that Jin was supposed to kill in the flashback killed himself? It's unclear, to me anyways. Someone else could've killed him. But I'm glad Jin didn't do it. I also liked when Jin showed off his automatic weapons prowress to Sayid. Can't wait till Jin starts speaking more English, and I know Daniel Dae Kim can't, either! :)

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 12th, 2006, 02:32 PM
Heh, it's been a long time since I came here. Anywho, just wanted to put in my two cents.

I guess the guy that Jin was supposed to kill in the flashback killed himself? It's unclear, to me anyways. Someone else could've killed him. But I'm glad Jin didn't do it. I also liked when Jin showed off his automatic weapons prowress to Sayid. Can't wait till Jin starts speaking more English, and I know Daniel Dae Kim can't, either! :)

Yeah, I was wondering that myself, given that Jin had another guy with him when he had to send a message to the car dealer, and then that guy who was following Jin at the airport. Sun's father obviously doesn't trust Jin to do his bidding, so he may well have sent backup.

OTOH, Sun's father would likely have confronted Jin if he knew Jin had stopped short of killing his victim.

memnarch
October 12th, 2006, 03:12 PM
Quite the important episode! I'm not that big on Sun and Jin, but the Glass Ballerina offered an interesting look into Sun's history of lying and applied it rather nicely to her current predicament. I was confused as to whether it was confirmed that Jae Lee is Sun's baby's father, or whether they merely had an affair.

I was a bit disappointed in Sayid for not thinking that they'd go for the boat first. Although the Others did manage to get by them, keep in mind that Sayid and Jin were looking at the fire area and the Others seem to be able to move without leaving foot prints, so give them a break. Oh, I'd also like to share my speculation that Sayid will be one of the Losties to die this season. His backstory seems to have been told by now and Naveen Andrews is reported to have had some personal problems.

Sawyer's plan was perfect in that you thought it was him just being his same old Sawyer-self in checking Kate out in the dress and wanting to kiss her, yet he totally surprised everyone, just like in The Long Con. I liked that he punched out Pickett (did Colleen call him Dennis?) because he's a real jackass.

Loved the scene with Ben where he introduced himself and showed Jack the Red Sox winning the series. It was a real call back to Jack's own storyline and clearly Ben knew it, since he had it all prepared. The fact that he knew something that personal definitely makes me think that his dad is "Him." Also, it was an EXTREMELY important scene, given that it shows, once and for all, that the Others are capable of getting off the island and that they choose to be there. The fact that Ben's been there all his life is interesting as well, as it could indicate that he was born there prior to the DHARMA Initiative. Finally, Ben's remark to Juliet that she never used to cook him breakfast, would seem to confirm their relationship. I think it would be more interesting if their rivalry was the result of them being siblings, but whatever happens is fine by me.

Overall 3/4 stars, despite the camp Losties not being there. Can't wait for next week! Locke's back and in prime form!!!

alaskannut
October 12th, 2006, 06:21 PM
Quite the important episode! I'm not that big on Sun and Jin, but the Glass Ballerina offered an interesting look into Sun's history of lying and applied it rather nicely to her current predicament. I was confused as to whether it was confirmed that Jae Lee is Sun's baby's father, or whether they merely had an affair.

I was a bit disappointed in Sayid for not thinking that they'd go for the boat first. Although the Others did manage to get by them, keep in mind that Sayid and Jin were looking at the fire area and the Others seem to be able to move without leaving foot prints, so give them a break. Oh, I'd also like to share my speculation that Sayid will be one of the Losties to die this season. His backstory seems to have been told by now and Naveen Andrews is reported to have had some personal problems.

Sawyer's plan was perfect in that you thought it was him just being his same old Sawyer-self in checking Kate out in the dress and wanting to kiss her, yet he totally surprised everyone, just like in The Long Con. I liked that he punched out Pickett (did Colleen call him Dennis?) because he's a real jackass.

Loved the scene with Ben where he introduced himself and showed Jack the Red Sox winning the series. It was a real call back to Jack's own storyline and clearly Ben knew it, since he had it all prepared. The fact that he knew something that personal definitely makes me think that his dad is "Him." Also, it was an EXTREMELY important scene, given that it shows, once and for all, that the Others are capable of getting off the island and that they choose to be there. The fact that Ben's been there all his life is interesting as well, as it could indicate that he was born there prior to the DHARMA Initiative. Finally, Ben's remark to Juliet that she never used to cook him breakfast, would seem to confirm their relationship. I think it would be more interesting if their rivalry was the result of them being siblings, but whatever happens is fine by me.

Overall 3/4 stars, despite the camp Losties not being there. Can't wait for next week! Locke's back and in prime form!!!
Personally, I don't think Ben knew of the significance that the Red Sox winning had to Jack...he just showed him because it was one of the really big things that happened in the time they were on the island....and its not something that would be faked...I mean, who would think to make a fake video showing the Sox winning?;) And more importantly, in the past, who would believe it?

That said, any thoughts on whether Jack will "change his perspective"?

Origin1981
October 12th, 2006, 06:22 PM
Wasn't a bad episode, starting this season off slow though. I liked that Sawyer stood up to the Others, would have liked to have seen him shock one though!

Ben is one creepy guy as is Juliet. She seems all nice but I think Sawyer is right, she wouldn't have hesitated to kill Kate. Hope the next 5 episodes pick up a little steam and answer some questions.

Juliet is alot more creepy than ben because her personality is a flipswitch. Ben has mainly stayed mysterious. And is her name Juliet or Jude Anne (ben called her that during the last 3 seconds of the season premiere). Juliet can be smiling at you one second and just be as nice as a school teacher then flip some switch in her mind and look like she has no concern over taking a steak knife and exposing your guts or giving you an indian necktie. I hope her character is the next one to die. Though that would put the actress out of work and she's great so maybe not die just have kate beat the crap out of her.

ItsDan
October 12th, 2006, 07:33 PM
During the 'Ethan' situation in Season one, didn't they find that the 'Others' were coming in from the water? I agree that Sayid not anticipating they might have boarded the boat from the water, if not the dock, was quite out of character.

Angela V
October 12th, 2006, 09:55 PM
Oh yes CTV, the weird people who can't even get the right times to their shows in the t.v. guide! I'm so glad I was checking my recording. Only missed the first little bit... about the Ballerina! sheesh! I had to quickly change to the American station..
Though looks like it's 8pm again next week.

Wyrminarrd
October 13th, 2006, 01:34 AM
Good episode, the others are definitly taking shape.

Ben said he had lived on this island his whole live, he did however not say how long that had been. It´s possible that the reason the others haven´t left the island is because it´s healing effects slow down the ageing process...

Sayid was a bit simple minded with his plan but then he wasn´t really a combat type soldier.

Jonzey
October 13th, 2006, 06:58 AM
I hate to say it, but I'm quickly losing interest in Lost now. The first few minutes of the season premiere were great, but apart from that in the past two episodes there's been no sense of mystery and the unknown that they had before. Right now there's nothing that grips me and makes me want to come back for the next episode. I mean, the others are just a bunch of people who happen to live on the island. Nothing mysterious about that. I'd assume they know most of the islands secrets too since they've been there so long. They've answered a lot of the questions there were so now theres not much left.

Descent
October 13th, 2006, 10:26 AM
Good episode. I wonder if Benjamin is going to keep his promise and take Jack home although I doubt he will. I'm not to crazy about Jin and Sun but I did enjoy the flashback in this episode. Sun killing that one girl is definately going to cost them in the end. "Gah" at the Sawyer/Kate ship though. :( Can't wait for next week when we actually get to see the rest of the characters finally.

*** from me

yaaayoubetcha
October 13th, 2006, 12:42 PM
I hate to say it, but I'm quickly losing interest in Lost now. The first few minutes of the season premiere were great, but apart from that in the past two episodes there's been no sense of mystery and the unknown that they had before. Right now there's nothing that grips me and makes me want to come back for the next episode. I mean, the others are just a bunch of people who happen to live on the island. Nothing mysterious about that. I'd assume they know most of the islands secrets too since they've been there so long. They've answered a lot of the questions there were so now theres not much left.

i agree.

you just know that the few questions left and whatever they might be thinking of doing with the others will probably take 2 to 3 more years, much like they did the first two seasons.

I really loved the show the first season, the 2nd, a bit of a drop off and now, it's to the point that I don't remember it if i'm not looking at the tvguide chanel.

everything that they've done so far, if they'd cut out all the flashbacks, could be one really 24-esque season. i'm all for the flashbacks, but they seem to really be taking their merry time tying everything into Jack.

Origin1981
October 13th, 2006, 05:50 PM
you ppl are crazy I think the episodes have been great.

Descent
October 13th, 2006, 06:26 PM
you ppl are crazy I think the episodes have been great.

As do I. I'm liking it even more than Season 10 so far. :)

ItsDan
October 14th, 2006, 05:18 AM
I wonder if Benjamin is going to keep his promise and take Jack home although I doubt he will

Don't forget on the dock with Michael, he did say that they keep their promises.

MB.Eddie
October 14th, 2006, 05:50 AM
Great episode. Loved Sawyers attack on the guards after kissing kate. Flashbacks were good too.

Like others have said, i agree with Sayid's lack of thought for protecting the boat, but it doesnt really matter. Still a great ep. That other women getting shot at the end too will be very interesting in the future no doubt...

Just_breathing
October 14th, 2006, 07:13 AM
I really liked this episode. I think it was much better than last weeks ep because we had a wider focus than just Jack, Kate and Sawyer.
I also liked that we discovered that Sun isn't as innocent as we were all led to believe. I always thought she'd have something with... that guy I can never remember the name of.
I think it was good that Jin didn't kill him too. I was on the edge of my seat practically yelling at the screen for him not to kill him! I was so relieved when he didn't. And the shock of whats-his-name falling onto Jins car really made me jump!
The background info we got on Jin and Sun made the ep more than worth watching.

On top of that we got more from Kate and Sawyer (though urgh on the kiss :( not a skate fan as you may have guessed) Not so much focus on Jack this week which makes a change. We had a few scenes and the final scene had me gaping! They know what's going on in the outside world? That's mad!
I wonder what Jack has to do? Ben said he had to co-operate. What with I wonder?
I hope it's nothing to do with Kate and Sawyer because that would be plain mean. Think he'd do anything to them to get off the island?
I dont think he would because I think they (Even Sawyer) mean more to him than that, but what do you guys think?
What do you reckon Jack would do to get off the island?

Overall, loved the ep. 4 out of 5 for me because we still don't know what's going on with the other losties!! Can't wait for next week!

~Bec

pastence
October 14th, 2006, 08:42 AM
I think Juliet is one of twins, hence the good and evil side. If not twins, then she is a clone. I have always thougth the others has got something to do with cloning or something other.

Who is Penny & Sarah that some people are talking about?

Descent
October 14th, 2006, 09:36 AM
Don't forget on the dock with Michael, he did say that they keep their promises.

True. But knowing Jack he probably only cares about rescuing Kate and Sawyer at this point.

cindyz
October 14th, 2006, 10:55 AM
True, Ben makes promises...but never for anything specific...very vague and I think his promises are full of weak spots and holes.......taking Jack home doesnt necessarily mean he would see to it that Jack was alive.....think about it. Ben is evil and full of sh*t. God I love his character! Juliet too...so evil....

memnarch
October 14th, 2006, 01:37 PM
I think Juliet is one of twins, hence the good and evil side. If not twins, then she is a clone. I have always thougth the others has got something to do with cloning or something other.

Who is Penny & Sarah that some people are talking about?

Penny is the woman that Desmond loves and Sarah is Jack's ex-wife.

As for what Jack has to do, I'm sure it'll be something doctor related, given it's his profession.

Ugly Pig
October 14th, 2006, 01:55 PM
Ben is evil and full of sh*t. God I love his character! Juliet too...so evil....
Well, now... That's not really fair. We know practically nothing about Ben and even less about Juliet... Why do you assume they're evil? ;)

Descent
October 14th, 2006, 02:01 PM
Why do you assume they're evil? ;)

I assume any of the Others are evil in some way. Their way of handling things is evidence of that.

1. Ethan killed one of the survivors and tried to kill Charlie
2. They had killed the original Henry Gale

They're killers and horrible people, IMO. The only one that I would say shows promise is the French woman's daughter.

Arga
October 14th, 2006, 04:40 PM
I assume any of the Others are evil in some way. Their way of handling things is evidence of that.

1. Ethan killed one of the survivors and tried to kill Charlie
2. They had killed the original Henry Gale

They're killers and horrible people, IMO. The only one that I would say shows promise is the French woman's daughter.

Agreed.
They claim to be "the good guys", but if they were, then why don't they just approach the losties peacefully and talk openly, saying everything they know?

When I first saw the woman who got shop, I thought it was Jack's wife! damn, the all look the same!
Wasn't she the one who seemed to be the girlfriend of one of the Other's? I bet he will be pissed when he finds Sun had killed her.

I wonder why the daughter of the french woman said to Kate that they were not supposed to be in the cage. And if she is the friend of that other prisonner, Karl, then can he be trusted too?

Anyway, we know now that Ben really loves boats!

Generally speaking, about Lost slow revealing process, it's true it's more and more frustrating to watch it. They make it interesting in the last 30 seconds!
When someone asks me what did we learn new on each episode of this 3rd season, I don't have much to say!
It's a torture!

Descent
October 14th, 2006, 05:34 PM
I think he wanted the boat because they gave Michael their other one. :P ;)

memnarch
October 14th, 2006, 10:38 PM
I assume any of the Others are evil in some way. Their way of handling things is evidence of that.

1. Ethan killed one of the survivors and tried to kill Charlie
2. They had killed the original Henry Gale

They're killers and horrible people, IMO. The only one that I would say shows promise is the French woman's daughter.

Hmm, I agree that the Others are morally ambiguous in some cases, certainly, but I disagree that they are evil. Consider the number of people the Others have killed as compared to the number the Losties have killed:

Others:
Ethan killed Scott, killed another survivor, attempted to kill Charlie
Goodwin killed Nathan
Also, many of them have indicated that they will resort to kidnapping or violence of some sort and may have killed the real Henry Gale

Survivors:
Sawyer killed Frank Duckett and an Other
Sayid tortured many men and killed the Russian officer in Iraq
Kate murdered her father, shot several accomplises in her robbery (possibly killing them), and an Other
Desmond inadvertantly killed Kelvin
Ana Lucia killed Jason, Goodwin, an unnamed Other, and Shannon
Eko killed at least 3 drug dealers, an old man, and two Others
Charlie killed Ethan and kidnapped Sun
Michael killed Ana Lucia and Libby

That's Others, 3, Survivors, 19 (confirmed/successfully killed)

Like everything, evil's relative. I'm sure the Others have their reasons.

KatG
October 15th, 2006, 08:57 AM
Ben said he had lived on this island his whole live, he did however not say how long that had been. It´s possible that the reason the others haven´t left the island is because it´s healing effects slow down the ageing process...



That's a very good point, and one that had not occurred to me. Very interesting.

This ep didn't have the wow effect of the season opener, but it advanced the storyline very well and provided some good insight into the others.

Ben is still creepy and Juliet is a close second. She's very chameleon like, in her ability to change from nice and concerned to kill you in a heartbeat with no remorse. She and Ben seem to have some sort of history and seem to be in charge. Given the possiblity that you stated, what if they are the original two that started the Dharma initiative (can't remember their names) and have not changed since being on the island?

Loved Sawyer in this. He continually surprises me, and if anyone can figure out a way for them to escape, I think it's him.

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 15th, 2006, 09:31 AM
Originally Posted by Wyrminarrd View Post
Ben said he had lived on this island his whole live, he did however not say how long that had been. It´s possible that the reason the others haven´t left the island is because it´s healing effects slow down the ageing process...

This is something that's really bugged me because I don't know if there's a reason for it or if it's a plot inconsistency: Locke and Rose are instantly cured of their illnesses on arriving on the island. Locke, a wheelchair-bound guy, suddenly not only is able to stand, but to run. Later, he quickly and easily recovers from that huge splinter he got in his leg trying to open the hatch. OTOH, Sawyer gets a relatively simple gun shot wound, and instead of healing, his condition degenerates and he nearly dies. It took the "outside intervention" of doctor's care and antibiotics to save him.

Arga
October 15th, 2006, 10:00 AM
Sayid tortured many men and killed the Russian officer in Iraq
Kate murdered her father, shot several accomplises in her robbery (possibly killing them),
Eko killed at least 3 drug dealers,
.

But if you mention the past life of the survivors, we need to know as well the past life of the others. (maybe they have killed other people too but we don't know it). Otherwise, it's good to remind people that the survivors are not totally inocent.
Do the Others think that the survivors are a threat to them? or a "test" given by whoever control the experiments. From the first episode of this season, we see they were not expecting the plane to crash this day, but seeing how fast Ben gave instructions, it seems that they were prepared of this eventuallity of "intruders" coming...






This is something that's really bugged me because I don't know if there's a reason for it or if it's a plot inconsistency: Locke and Rose are instantly cured of their illnesses on arriving on the island. Locke, a wheelchair-bound guy, suddenly not only is able to stand, but to run. Later, he quickly and easily recovers from that huge splinter he got in his leg trying to open the hatch. OTOH, Sawyer gets a relatively simple gun shot wound, and instead of healing, his condition degenerates and he nearly dies. It took the "outside intervention" of doctor's care and antibiotics to save him.

Oh, that's right! either they forgot about the healing properties, or simply, it cannot heal every type of injuries. Anyway, why would the island heal? is it the electromagnetic field?? I hope they'll tell us!

.

Wyrminarrd
October 16th, 2006, 02:58 AM
This is something that's really bugged me because I don't know if there's a reason for it or if it's a plot inconsistency: Locke and Rose are instantly cured of their illnesses on arriving on the island. Locke, a wheelchair-bound guy, suddenly not only is able to stand, but to run. Later, he quickly and easily recovers from that huge splinter he got in his leg trying to open the hatch. OTOH, Sawyer gets a relatively simple gun shot wound, and instead of healing, his condition degenerates and he nearly dies. It took the "outside intervention" of doctor's care and antibiotics to save him.

It´s possible that this is the writers way of saying that only "good" people are effected by the islands healing factor. Of course that would mean that what ever is on this island is super natural in nature since I doubt that science can tell you who´s good and who´s bad.

This theory holds since Rose and Locke have (so far) been shown to be ordinary good people while Sawyer is a murderer. Personally I hope it isn´t something that simple In the Rose flashbacks we did see her visit another healing point and the guru there said that the healing point there didn´t work for this kind of thing, we can from this infer that the island healing point is also limited to certain ailments.

Besides, how long has it been since Sawyer was shoot? 10 days? If so then he´s made quite a remarkable recovery. Plus he was shoot on the ocean and an infection may have set in then and prevented the island from healing him once he got there.

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 16th, 2006, 05:52 AM
It´s possible that this is the writers way of saying that only "good" people are effected by the islands healing factor.

You know, you might be on to something.

In Rose and Bernard's story, Bernard takes Rose to the healer in Australia. He uses the forces in the ground... or... whatever... to heal his candidates, but he can't heal Rose. The island, OTOH, does heal Rose.

So, since we've definitively established that "good" had nothing to do with morality, perhaps the others are abducting people based on the island's ability to heal them.

It seems to fit: It took the others a few days before they started abducting adults. Ben asked Ethon and Goodwin for "lists." No doubt the others used those lists to get info on the survivors. Who knows how many of those survivors were like Rose and Locke? Maybe the children were taken first because they are still growing and so there's time to innoculate them or somehow change them.

Not Henry Gale was captured while apparently trying to abduct Locke, "one of the good ones." Hurley, who's mental stability and eating compulsions still haunt him, was captured but sent home.(Makes me wonder whether Libby, who was always so rational and self-possessed on the island, was cured while Hurley was not.)

Claire was only abducted for her baby. The others had planned to kill her after she gave birth, so she's not a "good" one. Kate, Sawyer and Jack had all had previous encounters with the others and were not taken - they even had Kate without the guy's knowledge. They could have kept her, but they threw her back, as it were. Jack seemed to think that the others didn't want them.

Now the others have them, but perhaps not because they are "good." (Have the others mentioned that they were good? I don't recall.) Ben has offered to send Jack home. Once programmed, a doctor would be a good resource on the outside for the others. Although why they'd want Sawyer and Kate if they are not "good" is still a mystery, to me - assuming I'm remotely on the right track....

Wyrminarrd
October 16th, 2006, 06:38 AM
Now the others have them, but perhaps not because they are "good." (Have the others mentioned that they were good? I don't recall.) Ben has offered to send Jack home. Once programmed, a doctor would be a good resource on the outside for the others. Although why they'd want Sawyer and Kate if they are not "good" is still a mystery, to me - assuming I'm remotely on the right track....


They might have kept Sawyer simply because they know he´s potentially dangerous and would almost certainly try an armed rescue to get Kate back (assuming they want her for some reason). Heck, they might think that those two would do just about anything to get Jack back.

Another possibility is that they know that those three are the center of the Losties and removing them will create a power vaccume (sp?) that Locke is likely to fill. Assuming that Ben was going after Locke because he was "a good one" then it stands to reason that the Others would like him in power.

Thermonuclearboy
October 16th, 2006, 08:33 AM
Regarding the Island healing some and not others, remember that Rose had an illness, not an injury. Something that COULD be cured, but they just needed the right "energies" to do it. Which leads me to further suspect the nature of Locke's disability; whether it was brought on by a disease, or if it was psychosomatic the whole time...

Wyrminarrd
October 16th, 2006, 08:42 AM
Regarding the Island healing some and not others, remember that Rose had an illness, not an injury. Something that COULD be cured, but they just needed the right "energies" to do it. Which leads me to further suspect the nature of Locke's disability; whether it was brought on by a disease, or if it was psychosomatic the whole time...

Then what about Lockes leg? It healed incredibly fast...

blueiris
October 17th, 2006, 05:36 AM
Originally Posted by Wyrminarrd View Post
Ben said he had lived on this island his whole live, he did however not say how long that had been. It´s possible that the reason the others haven´t left the island is because it´s healing effects slow down the ageing process...

This is something that's really bugged me because I don't know if there's a reason for it or if it's a plot inconsistency: Locke and Rose are instantly cured of their illnesses on arriving on the island. Locke, a wheelchair-bound guy, suddenly not only is able to stand, but to run. Later, he quickly and easily recovers from that huge splinter he got in his leg trying to open the hatch. OTOH, Sawyer gets a relatively simple gun shot wound, and instead of healing, his condition degenerates and he nearly dies. It took the "outside intervention" of doctor's care and antibiotics to save him.
I am still not convinced that Locke or Rose were ever as ill as they thought. Conspiracy theory maybe. But I think there is more to it.

Arga
October 18th, 2006, 10:10 AM
Regarding the Island healing some and not others, remember that Rose had an illness, not an injury. Something that COULD be cured, but they just needed the right "energies" to do it. Which leads me to further suspect the nature of Locke's disability; whether it was brought on by a disease, or if it was psychosomatic the whole time...

oh you're right.... we haven't seen any flash backs about how Locke's legs became paralysed, have we?
I wonder what they're going to explain about it...

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 18th, 2006, 12:31 PM
I guess it depends on how you define 'injury.' An illness does injury to your healthy tissue, too, isn't it?

But still, there's no getting away from the fact that Locke was stabbed right through the leg when the trebuchet splintered when he was trying to open the hatch. He was walking around with that huge splinter in his leg and he didn't even feel it. Boone had to point it out to him. Later, Locke experiments with stabbing(or was he burning) himself, with no ill effects.

All that before the added injury of having the hatch door close on his legs.

rarocks24
October 19th, 2006, 12:46 PM
Two things came out of this episode.

1) I hate Ben even more now. One, he ruined the name. Two, he's just an evil, EVIL, hypocritical character, arrogant and smug, and all the things inbetween.
2) Juliet; I don't know whether I want her to go crawl into a hole and die or just get *****slapped by Kate.

I think the implication is that Sun's kid is the dude she slept with (the one she had an affair with). I also hope that no harm comes to Sun, or that she...and the boat, are rescued before the Others rendezvous.

And these people think they're better than the Losties? I think they're worse. :mad:

ItsDan
October 22nd, 2006, 11:52 AM
I think the implication is that Sun's kid is the dude she slept with (the one she had an affair with). I also hope that no harm comes to Sun, or that she...and the boat, are rescued before the Others rendezvous.

Sun got off the boat....

Pic
June 17th, 2008, 01:16 PM
During the H&H I realized I didn't know who some of the characters were, so I couldn't + or - them :o
I realize that I'm so behind the times, I'm finally catching up on season 3 on DVD and just watched this episode. I waited anxiously for the s3 to come out then didn't watch it right away. Dumb. Now I'm 2 seasons behind.

Anyway, here I am with Sawyer & Kate in cages and Jack in the shark room under the aquarium. And I'm getting annoyed. Enough with the "we're mysterious others and we have a plan". They're just bullies and it's tiresome.
I'll watch more, but will stop if it doesn't start getting better.

Without spoiling, does it get better?

LoneStar1836
June 18th, 2008, 06:39 PM
During the H&H I realized I didn't know who some of the characters were, so I couldn't + or - them :o
I realize that I'm so behind the times, I'm finally catching up on season 3 on DVD and just watched this episode. I waited anxiously for the s3 to come out then didn't watch it right away. Dumb. Now I'm 2 seasons behind.

Anyway, here I am with Sawyer & Kate in cages and Jack in the shark room under the aquarium. And I'm getting annoyed. Enough with the "we're mysterious others and we have a plan". They're just bullies and it's tiresome.
I'll watch more, but will stop if it doesn't start getting better.

Without spoiling, does it get better?
Well I will say that the Others play heavily into the series from here on out, especially Ben.

Does it get better? Well I quite enjoyed season 3 and then 4. I don't know, but I'll say yeah so hopefully you will keep watching. :D This is one of my favorite shows.

I actual get full enjoyment of the show when I can watch the seasons straight through. I wasn't so keen on season 2 when it aired on tv as it had that long break in between the first and second half and I missed a couple of eps. But after buying the DVDs and watching the eps straight through...no waiting...I enjoyed the show more. Same went for Season 3 even though it aired without a break.

Give it a couple of more eps and they will get away from the current setting of polar bear cages and make it back to the group. There may be a couple of eps you can skip this season, but the season 3 finale is not to be missed. :)