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GateWorld
September 29th, 2006, 11:10 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 303</FONT>
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After waking up in the jungle and having a vision, Locke sets out to rescue Mr. Eko from a menacing captor. Hurley returns to the beach camp to report on the fate of Jack, Kate, and Sawyer.

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NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 18th, 2006, 07:48 PM
I thought it was a good episode, because we saw more of the cast.

Next week's episode looks awesome.

TheGreatLordGeorge
October 18th, 2006, 08:13 PM
I enjoyed the episode too... Nothing really to say

cindyz
October 18th, 2006, 08:16 PM
so Locke is a past member of a commune that grew pot? unbelievable. still, it was nice to get a bit of his earlier backstory. He doesnt want Charlie to use, but hey, he makes a paste from nature and communes with the spirit of the island? Puleeze! And the man who was also part of the pot commune...the dude with the deep voice and wild hair...um...he reminds me of one of the Others....the older guy who always wore the fake 'tache/beard thingy. the man who gave Kate the pretty dress....yeah...that guy! hmmm not the best ep...prolly not the worst of the season to come...just not that many questions were answered...many more threads left hanging. Good to see Boone, if only in a drug induced haze.

next week previews look good. down right inhumane....

Thermonuclearboy
October 19th, 2006, 05:24 AM
...does it make me a bad person that I'm looking forward to watching Sawyer get the crap kicked out him?

Anyway.

A question: during Locke's vision quest, who was it in the airplane captain's uniform that he pointed out? Was that Desmond? I didn't recognize him, and I recognized everyone else.

FoolishPleasure
October 19th, 2006, 06:54 AM
A question: during Locke's vision quest, who was it in the airplane captain's uniform that he pointed out? Was that Desmond? I didn't recognize him, and I recognized everyone else.

That was Desmond in the pilot's uniform surrounded by flight attendants. Boone said something like, "No, not him, he's helping himself." However way you want to take that. ;)

unowhoandwhy
October 19th, 2006, 08:31 AM
They left it looking as if Locke didn't shoot that undercover officer after the farmer/hunter scene, but then Ecki told Locke that he was a hunter and Locke looked really troubled.

Is he a cop killer? Because if he is, I will be throughly p'd off. I work in law enforcement & I hate cop killers at the best of times, but we just had an officer in my state get murdered and I am more sensitive than usual to the topic. To make a fan-favorite, one who has made a big deal out of morals & spirituality, be not only a hypocritical do-as-I-say-and-not-as-I-do pot grower, but also a cop killer would be a very bad decision on the part of TPTB. :(

Also, is Desmond clairvoyant? How did he know about Locke's speech before he gave it... and is someone going to give the poor man some underwear & pants (and maybe a cleaner & smaller shirt, lol)?

Thermonuclearboy
October 19th, 2006, 08:58 AM
They left it looking as if Locke didn't shoot that undercover officer after the farmer/hunter scene, but then Ecki told Locke that he was a hunter and Locke looked really troubled.

Is he a cop killer? Because if he is, I will be throughly p'd off. I work in law enforcement & I hate cop killers at the best of times, but we just had an officer in my state get murdered and I am more sensitive than usual to the topic. To make a fan-favorite, one who has made a big deal out of morals & spirituality, be not only a hypocritical do-as-I-say-and-not-as-I-do pot grower, but also a cop killer would be a very bad decision on the part of TPTB. :(


Would that make Locke any worse than a killer cop? Or a Korean mafia enforcer? Or an Iraqi torturer? Or someone who killed her father and tried to make it look like an accident? ALL of our characters have some dark moments in their past, and the beauty of the way the narrative is constructed is that we get to know the characters before we know everything about them. So it can be quite shocking to see what the people we think we know are capable of.

That being said, I don't think Locke killed the cop. What we've seen of Locke is that he's almost childlike in his desire to do the right thing. I don't think he has cold-blooded murder in him.

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 19th, 2006, 11:08 AM
Loved the ep, but, boy, what questions it gives rise to.

Who or what took Locke, Eco and Desmond out of the imploded bunker?

Why could Locke suddenly speak after his spirit journey?

Why wasn't Eco missing a few body parts? He's drenched in blood but I saw no wounds(ok, that could just be my shabby tv reception....)

Was the electromagnetic thingamaforce keeping the wild animals away? Will they be a danger to the survivors now?

How does Desmond know the future?

I'm tellin' ya, it's looking more and more like the movie Cypher. I think these guys are all strapped to gurneys on the mainland, experiencing drug-induced lives.

Descent
October 19th, 2006, 12:27 PM
Great episode! Although of course, it raises even more questions. It's almost as if the Island is where the past, present and future collide. Least thats how I'm starting to see it. You can't help but feel bad for poor Locke. Loved Boone's appearance, very fitting. Also loved the Desmond and Hurley scene out in the jungle.

I give the episode *** on GW's scale.

KatG
October 19th, 2006, 12:45 PM
Would that make Locke any worse than a killer cop? Or a Korean mafia enforcer? Or an Iraqi torturer? Or someone who killed her father and tried to make it look like an accident? ALL of our characters have some dark moments in their past, and the beauty of the way the narrative is constructed is that we get to know the characters before we know everything about them. So it can be quite shocking to see what the people we think we know are capable of.

Exactly. That's what I love about this show. It challenges your perceptions and shocks you with the reality.


That being said, I don't think Locke killed the cop. What we've seen of Locke is that he's almost childlike in his desire to do the right thing. I don't think he has cold-blooded murder in him.

I don't think Locke killed the cop. I think he wanted to because he felt betrayed but I don't think that he did, because I don't think it's in him to do so.

And I don't see Locke as a hypocrite because he lived on a commune and grew marijuana, and then when on the island challenged Charlie's drug use. I mean, am I a hypocrite, to tell my stepson who has a substance abuse problem that severely affects every aspect of his life that he has to stop and that it's wrong, just because I smoked pot and did drugs as a teenager. Or am I in a better position to tell him he needs to stop and that it's wrong because I've been there and done that and don't want him to go through the same things?

DEM
October 19th, 2006, 01:21 PM
...does it make me a bad person that I'm looking forward to watching Sawyer get the crap kicked out him?If wanting to see Sawyer suffer is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

Here are my feelings about Locke and drugs. Yes, one could define his commune-stint (and island sweatlodge-paste) vs. his treatment of Charlie as hypocrisy and, thus, dismiss him outright. However, I think there are other interpretations that deserve consideration.


It could be that something about the commune disaster (and/or later events) caused Locke to be as strict as he is now.


It could be that the commune was raising marijuana for medicinal purposes. Didn't Mary say something about record books and such? Those folks didn't strike me as underworld drug lords; they looked more like a buyers' co-op farm.


Similarly, despite the implication of U.S. federal laws (which make little distinction re: criminality of the two), health science research has demonstrated quite clearly that marijuana differs from heroin in several important ways -- notably dependence liability and toxicity. It's like comparing a cheap wine cooler to Ouzo.


Finally, no matter the comparison, level of functioning should be considered. Charlie's heroin habit was out of control and his life was a gigantic mess. Even iff one could use heroin in the same controlled manner as marijuana or island-meditation-paste, the important thing IMO is that Charlie did not. Charlie knows that, of course, but he snarked at Locke because Charlie is (a) a recovering addict and (b) still very angry with Locke (who, yeah, was on a bit of a high horse before his belief in the island imploded).


Those are my thoughts. In other news, I liked the ep a lot. That airport scene was excellent! I do wish that Hurley would speak up. Doesn't he have a habit of not telling people about the weirdo stuff right away?

Gordo
October 19th, 2006, 04:40 PM
Overall I thought the ep was good. Glad to see the majority of the cast, even got to see Boone.

I seem to remember thinking early last season that things were moving a bit slow, but then they picked up and it was a great season. It seems that is what is happening now.

One question: In the plot summary at the top of this thread it says; "Meanwhile, Claire is shocked to find Nikki and Paulo in Jack's tent." Did I come back from a coomercial break late, nod off or miss this while checking the score of the Mets game? Was this a pivotal scene?

knowsfords
October 19th, 2006, 05:11 PM
O_O @ Desmond's precog.

jonno
October 19th, 2006, 05:36 PM
One question: In the plot summary at the top of this thread it says; "Meanwhile, Claire is shocked to find Nikki and Paulo in Jack's tent." Did I come back from a coomercial break late, nod off or miss this while checking the score of the Mets game? Was this a pivotal scene?


No - i don't believe so ... or at least I didn't see it either.

Overall - the season's getting better. The first episode,after the teaser was ... relatively rubbish.

The second one was much more interesting, and then this one was slightly better still ... mainly because we at the very least glimpst most of the cast - still, i always hate it when shows have two or, atm three completely seperate storylines, ESPECIALLY, when we don't get to at least progress at least one of the other storyline's in some small way as well as the main focus of an episode.

Oh yeah - and it was nice to revisit a bit of classic season 1 type stuff too (Polar Bear, Boone, Hallucinogenic creams ...)

memnarch
October 19th, 2006, 05:40 PM
One of Locke's best episodes and possibly one of THE best episodes! I loved that Locke returned to his mysticism. After his descent into cynicism and despair, we're seeing him at his best once again. Has anyone else noticed that whenever Locke has a vision of the personification of the Island, it's of someone who he's wronged in some way? His actions resulted in the death of Boone and his decision to stop pushing the button led to the implosion of the Hatch and Eko's injuries and subsequent Polar bear abduction. Perhaps this is the Island's way of humbling him (I'm a believer by the way). I also have a theory that the Hatch's implosion changed or took away something from each one of the men caught in the implosion. Charlie lost his hearing temporarily, while Locke lost his ability to speak temporarily, and Desmond comes away with the ability to foresee the future. Regarding this clairvoyance, it's possible the Island has given Desmond a vision, much like it gives Locke and Eko. It's possible that Desmond will become a 3rd pillar of faith in the Lost universe. It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, Eko takes away from the experience. Other stuff worth mentioning is the dream sequence, which was superb, and Hurley being Hurley, which I've missed.

All in all, 4 stars from me! ****

Gordo
October 19th, 2006, 07:12 PM
I liked the scenes insode the Polar Bear cave. I wish I had Tivo'd the show to get a better look at the various items strewn about.

I saw bones, lots of bones.
A paper/wrapper with the Dharma logo
A Yellow "Tonka" dump truck (I used to have one of those)

What else?

memnarch
October 19th, 2006, 11:09 PM
The thing with the DHARMA logo on it was in fact a shirt with the Pearl version of the logo. It was also on a child's skeleton (if I'm not mistaken).


If you want to go back and get a closer look, I recommend going onto abc.com's lost site. They air episodes for free (!) and with limited ads in between (30 seconds really).

Ragnarok13
October 20th, 2006, 08:24 AM
I do wish that Hurley would speak up. Doesn't he have a habit of not telling people about the weirdo stuff right away?

I think hes afraid people will think he is crazy since he was at a mental hospital.
and what was with eddy going to "Eureka" I dont knnow what the intention of that was

I also think that Desmond, lock, charlie, and ecko were effected by the implosion. charlie lost his hearing, lock his voice, ecko somehow knew about johns cop hunter/pot farmer situation, and desmond somehow saw te future or somthing. I wonder....charlie=hear no evil, lock=speak no evil, but i dont know about see no evil, maybe desmond seeing the future?

Descent
October 20th, 2006, 10:59 AM
I also think that Desmond, lock, charlie, and ecko were effected by the implosion. charlie lost his hearing, lock his voice, ecko somehow knew about johns cop hunter/pot farmer situation, and desmond somehow saw te future or somthing. I wonder....charlie=hear no evil, lock=speak no evil, but i dont know about see no evil, maybe desmond seeing the future?

I think your dead on with that theory. Still, it's driving me crazy wondering who pulled them all out and how Desmond lost his clothes. :P

littlebitlost
October 20th, 2006, 11:02 AM
I don't know if eko actually does no about lockes past, the way that it seemed to me was that eko was still unconscious and that it was another hallucination. It makes sense as when charlie reappeared eko was once again unconscious

memnarch
October 20th, 2006, 12:43 PM
I think hes afraid people will think he is crazy since he was at a mental hospital.
and what was with eddy going to "Eureka" I dont knnow what the intention of that was

Eureka is a town in California. It's been established that Locke has spent most of his later adult life there.

It was not a reference to the show EUReKA.

rarocks24
October 20th, 2006, 02:22 PM
It was not a reference to the show EUReKA.

Or was it?

ItsDan
October 20th, 2006, 05:20 PM
ecko somehow knew about johns cop hunter/pot farmer situation

I also had the impression that Locke was imagining Eko speaking.

rarocks24
October 20th, 2006, 07:32 PM
On another note, at least Boone was in this episode. It was nice to see him. I'm mad they killed him off. :mad::mad::mad:

lord-anubis
October 21st, 2006, 12:08 AM
theres only one logic explnason why Desmond new what locke was going to say............................................................................. ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ..........................................................................time travel

memnarch
October 21st, 2006, 01:45 AM
Indeed that's been a theory I've heard that's plausible. However, the producers have discredited theories that people will return from the dead and the like. I think they want to stay away from straight science fiction. Plus that guy on Heroes can travel through time, so Desmond would have some stiff competition for prime time time traveler of the year.

Descent
October 21st, 2006, 12:51 PM
Or was it?

It wasn't. Eureka, California and the general area around it is a big place for weed farms and the like. It made sense.

Ragnarok13
October 21st, 2006, 03:43 PM
It wasn't. Eureka, California and the general area around it is a big place for weed farms and the like. It made sense.

that would make more sense, thanks

cindyz
October 22nd, 2006, 12:46 AM
I have a whole backyard full of weed. I live in Ohio. got broad leaf, dandelion, crab...he he he you name it. just not the obvious weed.

MB.Eddie
October 23rd, 2006, 05:12 AM
This ep wasnt as good as the other 2 so far, but it wasnt bad. Charlie had a few funny lines, and it was nice to see the polar bears again. Desmond knowing about locke's speach in advance was quite interesting as well. Nice to see what happened to the bunker too...

DEM
October 23rd, 2006, 09:26 AM
Oh yeah - and it was nice to revisit a bit of classic season 1 type stuff too (Polar Bear, Boone, Hallucinogenic creams ...)Yes, I've been meaning to say that another thing I especially liked was that this ep brought back more of the 'supernatural' element. Don't get me wrong, I like the psychotorturing Others, but it would be a shame if the writers made everything about the island mundane or explicable.

memnarch
October 23rd, 2006, 03:03 PM
Exactly! Season two proved to be something of a victory for the science column of the science vs. faith debate over the show. Mr. Eko kept it alive though and now we're back to a more well rounded show, I think.

rarocks24
October 23rd, 2006, 07:08 PM
It wasn't. Eureka, California and the general area around it is a big place for weed farms and the like. It made sense.

It's a joke. ;)

SoulReaver
October 24th, 2006, 09:21 AM
hope Eko makes it - he's one of my favorites :(

VirtualCLD
October 24th, 2006, 10:57 AM
It's like comparing a cheap wine cooler to Ouzo.

Hey now! What's wrong with Ouzo (Other than that fact it tastes horrible and has the same alcohol content as straight vodka, and this coming from someone with a Greek family)?! ;)


One question: In the plot summary at the top of this thread it says; "Meanwhile, Claire is shocked to find Nikki and Paulo in Jack's tent." Did I come back from a coomercial break late, nod off or miss this while checking the score of the Mets game? Was this a pivotal scene?

Yeah, I didn't see that either, anyone else miss or catch that?

memnarch
October 24th, 2006, 02:46 PM
It was not in the episode, no.

In all likelihood the idea was either a foiler (a spoiler planted by the powers that be to throw us off) or a scrapped idea or a deleted scene. I think that the producers are thinking of having Paulo be the other part to the rumored Charlie/Claire love triangle.

Descent
October 24th, 2006, 05:24 PM
It's a joke. ;)

I know. ;) I was just clearing it up for anyone who didn't think so.

raduzhok
October 25th, 2006, 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by Gordo
One question: In the plot summary at the top of this thread it says; "Meanwhile, Claire is shocked to find Nikki and Paulo in Jack's tent." Did I come back from a coomercial break late, nod off or miss this while checking the score of the Mets game? Was this a pivotal scene?
Yeah, I didn't see that either, anyone else miss or catch that?

I saw a scene where Claire and Charlie were having a conversation and two new characters (nikki and paulo?) were searching (probably) sawyer's tent. I think it was just an intro of two new characters. Nothing big deal for the moment.

sgeureka
October 29th, 2006, 02:17 PM
If you want to go back and get a closer look, I recommend going onto abc.com's lost site. They air episodes for free (!) and with limited ads in between (30 seconds really).Which I find surprising. I thought they would implement some kind of IP block for European viewers, but all I needed was to reset my PC clock to a US time zone... :sam34:

All in all I found this ep pretty forgettable, if it wasn't for Locke's amazing vision. :samanime51: I can't stop playing it over and over again, just to identify possible directions later in the season.


One question: In the plot summary at the top of this thread it says; "Meanwhile, Claire is shocked to find Nikki and Paulo in Jack's tent." Did I come back from a coomercial break late, nod off or miss this while checking the score of the Mets game? Was this a pivotal scene?


It was not in the episode, no.

In all likelihood the idea was either a foiler (a spoiler planted by the powers that be to throw us off) or a scrapped idea or a deleted scene. I think that the producers are thinking of having Paulo be the other part to the rumored Charlie/Claire love triangle.There are promo pictures here (http://gallery.lost-media.com/thumbnails.php?album=1168) (e.g. 4th and 5th image) of scenes that weren't shown in this ep. My best guess is they needed to cut some scenes for time. I also heard (don't know whether it's true) that abc was promoting to re-air the episodes later with deleted scenes to boost their ratings, so this could well be one of those cut eps.

retiredat44
December 9th, 2008, 04:43 AM
I can't believe Said and Jin were so dumb as to let the enemy get the boat.. :confused:

also Sun (sp?) let the rest get away while only shooting the woman on the boat before she jumped into the water.. that was bs...

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I am watching the 4 episodes shown each Monday night, so I can catch up on the series..

rushy
December 4th, 2009, 05:30 AM
Thank god,we can finally see something else than those stupid cages,sea and everything else.Still on John Locke's side.Writing this from the future.