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GateWorld
September 29th, 2006, 11:09 PM
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Jack, Kate, and Sawyer find themselves prisoners of "the Others" -- who are much more than they appear to be.

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NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 4th, 2006, 07:34 PM
I though it was a pretty Dry episode. You only saw Jack, Kate, and Sawyer (of the cast members). Everyone will be back next week, that's good. Kate looked hot in that dress.

majorsal
October 4th, 2006, 07:54 PM
I though it was a pretty Dry episode. You only saw Jack, Kate, and Sawyer (of the cast members). Everyone will be back next week, that's good. Kate looked hot in that dress.

did kate choose who she wants (jack or sawyer)?




sally :)

Descent
October 4th, 2006, 08:15 PM
Kate looked hot in that dress.

Kate is always hot though. :P

I actually haven't seen this episode yet. I taped it. I'll watch it tommorow and share my feelings then.

russell
October 4th, 2006, 08:57 PM
anyone know if they are going to put these on itunes anytime soon?

alaskannut
October 4th, 2006, 09:08 PM
HOLY *bleep*!

Now that was a teaser!

cindyz
October 4th, 2006, 09:56 PM
wow...so much going on in this ep. and the Others...hmmm not appear to be what we thought they were.....yes, kate always looks good damm her...all I can say is cant wait for the next installment.

memnarch
October 4th, 2006, 10:53 PM
Wow! What a way to begin the season! Considering only Kate, Jack, Sawyer, and Ben "Henry Gale" appeared, it was a dang good episode! The first five minutes were incredible and were as good as last year's cold opener. Jack certainly made some interesting growth in this episode. Also, it was interesting to note that Ben didn't let Juliet in with him when he shut the door. Hmmm. Another interesting thing I noticed was the fact that the novel in the book club was a Stephen King, something Ben "Henry" mentioned while in captivity. The Hyrda was interesting, as was the animal station (are they the same? the symbols looked similar).

Overall, 3/4 stars (I've got to give props for pulling off an episode with only a few of the leads in it)

ItsDan
October 5th, 2006, 04:33 AM
I thought it was great. Presumably the animal stations where Sawyer/Kate are, are somehow related to the polar bears, and the Hydra station where Jack is is meant to relate to the Dharma shark we saw at the start of Season 2. It's nice that it was tied in.

Whether Ben/Henry didn't let Juliet in because he's selfish, or if it was a setup to try and get Jack to trust her will be interesting to find out.

The fish cake scene with Sawyer was great.

MarshAngel
October 5th, 2006, 04:42 AM
It was ok. a little underwhelming but still a decent episode. The fish cake thing was pretty funny. Henry is still extremely creepy.

Thermonuclearboy
October 5th, 2006, 05:47 AM
I remember hearing some story about a behavioral experiment done long ago when a researcher locked a husband and wife in a room together for 18 days without food, then gave the husband a piece of bread to see whether he would eat it all himself or share it with his wife. I was reminded of that when Sawyer gave up his hard-earned fish cookie. He seems to have made some real progress, Sawyer. More so than Jack; the more the flashbacks reveal, the more f-ed up Jack turns out to be. That's the brilliance of the show, I guess: we get to know our characters BEFORE we know important stuff about them. That's why the revelation of Kate's crime was so shocking; the girl we came to know just didn't seem capable of something so calculated and cold-blooded.

Man, I hate the Others. Especially this new one, Juliet. They're all so damned smug. Although it turns out I was wrong about one thing:


The DHARMA Initiative is still going on in some form. The Others are not leftover test subjects from some failed experient; they know what's going on in the outside world and even have some kind of contact with it. They're not subjects in the experiment; they're the researchers! This only raises MORE questions...gah.

The Signal
October 5th, 2006, 08:35 AM
:eek:

Can't really put into words how good it was, just pure magic!

**** Excellent!

jmw326
October 5th, 2006, 09:28 AM
I absolutely loved it. Can't wait for more.

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 5th, 2006, 09:37 AM
That Juliet seemed a little fragile there, in her opening scene. I thought it was creepy the way she seemed to lose it, listening to the song, and then, when the lyrics were"you can always go... downtown" she'd kind of brighten up.

Ben is certainly the boss of that section, but while he's obeyed, he doesn't seem to garner much respect - not from Juliet, anyways.

I liked the ep. I wanted Kate to fling the cuffs into the ocean, though. I know, she'd probably have gotten tazed for her trouble, but....

I wonder who roughed her up? And how? Her wrists looked pretty badly torn. Seeing her bound like that, in a dress, gave me a squicky feeling. :(

Arative
October 5th, 2006, 09:47 AM
Interesting episode, Ben/Henry still freaks me out. In fact all the Others freak me out. Why would they have a file with Jack's entire life? How could they know everything? Interesting that the Others put Sawyer and Kate together but seperated Jack from them.

Can't wait to see what happens.

Descent
October 5th, 2006, 11:20 AM
What a strange and intense episode. I got mixed reactions to say the least. This season has started off with raising even more questions. Are the Others part of the Darma Intiative? Hmm. Very Hmm.

I'd give the episode a **1/2 on GW's scale.

FoolishPleasure
October 5th, 2006, 11:51 AM
This place in the jungle doesn't seem to be the same place where Walt and Michael were originally taken - the place on the rocks, with the huts. Was that a "fake" camp? Or is there yet another group of "others"?

Interesting how the theory of the plane purposely crashing is now debunked. It crashed because Desmond didn't input the numbers in time. Was Fenry/Benry aware of the hatch with Desmond?

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 5th, 2006, 12:04 PM
did kate choose who she wants (jack or sawyer)?
I think odds say she'll choose Sawyer, although I would've picked Jack.

Descent
October 5th, 2006, 12:10 PM
I think odds say she'll choose Sawyer, although I would've picked Jack.

Well...

She's going to be told that Jack is dead in a coming episode, forcing her to take comfort with Sawyer

KatG
October 5th, 2006, 12:15 PM
Very interesting episode. At the beginning I thought we were getting a flashback from one of our Losties. Nice twist that it was "the Others". Raised a lot of questions about them and what they're doing there.

And wow! Is Jack messed up or what? Talk about issues. It should be very interesting to see all the layers peeled away.

Nice bit with Kate/Sawyer. He was actually nice to her, which for Sawyer is amazing.

And Ben/Henry (knew a set of twins with these names so it hits me rather odd), is seriously creepy.

Aurum
October 5th, 2006, 03:45 PM
I was gonna post last night about this, when the episode was still fresh in my mind, but I was too tired :P.

Anyway, how about that teaser, huh? Wow. Just, wow.

This episode officially made me want to kill the Others, the way the treat our my-er, our losties. And god, did I feel for Jack. While the flashback portions didn't really interest me, his scenes in captivity were seriously gut-wrenching. Though for all his creepy evilness, I still adore the character of Henry.

Love it. Can't wait for next week (even if in the preview Sawyer's kissing Kate).

Dr McKay
October 5th, 2006, 03:48 PM
wow, amazing episode.

shame we dont see how locke and eko get on but thats probably next week, i think the whole idea of ben leaving juliet in there was a set up, knowing that jack is stubborn and that he would open it, then ben making juliet knock jack out. they are probably testing him at the moment.

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 5th, 2006, 03:50 PM
Why would they have a file with Jack's entire life? How could they know everything?

I'm thinking that's why it took them so long to get around to abducting Jack, Sawyer and Kate: They obviously have communication with the outside world. Ben told Goodwin and Ethon that he wanted lists of names of the survivors. No doubt Ben and company would then go about researching each survivor to find "the good ones."

The kids would naturally be the first to be abducted, as they'd have the least history. Ben-as-Henry Gale was apparently captured on his way to abduct Locke.

I wonder if we'll get a 'Goodwin tries to convince Ben that Anna Lucia is "a good one"' flashback?

Descent
October 5th, 2006, 03:53 PM
I didn't think it was possible but The Others have gotten creepier to me. I mean, Henry setting everything up for Kate...that was just a wee bit disturbing. I can't wait for next weeks episode.

I'm a big Desmond fan so that could be why I'm so excited :P

Dr McKay
October 5th, 2006, 04:27 PM
I didn't think it was possible but The Others have gotten creepier to me. I mean, Henry setting everything up for Kate...that was just a wee bit disturbing. I can't wait for next weeks episode.

I'm a big Desmond fan so that could be why I'm so excited :P


yeah i know what you mean brother :P Des is cool!

Thermonuclearboy
October 5th, 2006, 05:08 PM
The House That Jack Built:


Jack makes an emergency-room triage decision which saves the woman who would become his wife, but cost the life of the other victim, Shannon's father. This gives her stepmother the opportunity to disinherit Shannon, which leads to her manipulating Boone into following her to Sydney, which put them both on Flight 815, which crashed on the island, where Boone fell under Locke's influence and ended up getting himself killed, which crushed Shannon emotionally.

Jack's workaholic streak drives his wife into an affair and a messy divorce, over the course of which he lashes out at his father, causing him to fall off the wagon. His father operates on a woman while drunk, causing her death, and causing estrangement between them. This leads his father to flee to Australia, where he manages to convince Sawyer to kill an innocent man and work some serious emotional havoc on Ana-Lucia before he dies. This leads Ana-Lucia to go home on Flight 815, which crashed on the island, where she accidentaly killed Shannon. This act destroys Sayid emotionally, which causes him to capture and torture Ben/Henry, which forces the Others to send Michael to get him back. Michael ends up killing both Ana-Lucia and Libby, which destroys Hurley emotionally and ends up getting all four of our heroes captured for nefarious purposes yet to be divined.

So, basically Jack's responsible for screwing up EVERYONE. I wouldn't be surprised if another flashback revealed that he botched the spinal surgery that led to Locke's confinement to a wheelchair.

alaskannut
October 5th, 2006, 06:14 PM
Well...

She's going to be told that Jack is dead in a coming episode, forcing her to take comfort with Sawyer
Whoa...where'd you get that from?...I live on Spoilerfix, and I haven't heard that.

Descent
October 5th, 2006, 06:29 PM
Whoa...where'd you get that from?...I live on Spoilerfix, and I haven't heard that.

Everyone's talking about it around here. ;)

alaskannut
October 5th, 2006, 06:50 PM
Everyone's talking about it around here. ;)
But is it just fan speculation, or is it something that was leaked....I've seen a few speculations along these lines from Jack/Kate fans but that's all.

Descent
October 5th, 2006, 06:55 PM
It was leaked or so I was told.

Origin1981
October 5th, 2006, 09:08 PM
What the others are doing with Jack is trying to break him. They could have left the food in the cell before he woke up but they didn't. They could have left the food in the cell after he was nocked out in his excape attempt but they didn't. Also they wanted Jack to try and escape. They wanted him to realize where he was. Which is underwater with many corridors surrounded by water so that he would feel helpless. Furthermore I don't believe he is underwater. The Others operate on lies. Lies within lies within other lies.

I say they're trying to break him because how does juliet know if jack is up against the wall. Nobody is watching him when she goes around to the door. There is no eyehole in the door to make sure he is against the wall. Its a way of controlling someones actions without their even knowing it. Jack should have figured this out. (I would have) I would have told her "NO"! "you cant trust me to go against that wall! I am not going to lie down for you or be brainwashed by you! You open this door and I am going to try and get out everytime untill you restrain me or I use one of these chains to hang myself because I WILL NOT BE YOUR LABRAT YOU BLOND BEAST OTHER!!!! YOU COME THROUGH THAT DOOR AND I WILL KILL YOU. YOUR BAD PEOPLE, YOU TOOK A PREGNANT WOMAN FROM OUR CAMP AND TRIED TO STEAL HER BABY AND HUNG ONE OF OUR PEOPLE FROM A TREE AT THE SAME TIME, YOU FORCED MICHAEL TO KILL AND BETRAY HIS FRIENDS BY USING HIS SON AS LEVERAGE, I HEARD WHAT HENRY SAID TO MICHAEL AT THE BOAT DOCK ABOUT BEING THE GOOD GUYS. WHAT PART OF WHAT I JUST SAID SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU". or you know something like that. or having figured that its probably a trick to subdue me I would go along with it until my chance to escape.

Origin1981
October 5th, 2006, 10:02 PM
I also believe Kate has been broken. And the boy that escaped the first cage used a key.

Naonak
October 5th, 2006, 11:55 PM
That was one of the greatest teasers in TV history. Brilliant.
Jack's got real issues. I was hoping that the guy that Sarah left him for would be one of the new characters (or even an Other).
"The bears worked it out in two hours." :D

And Kate isn't Tom/Zeke/Mr Friendly's type? What is he, gay? :p

Wyrminarrd
October 6th, 2006, 12:55 AM
Good start to the third season! Beny definitly looks like hes incharge of the others, which kinda makes you wonder why he took the risk of approching the losties.

Jack looked like he wasnt playing with a full deck in this episode,he obsessive need to not lose will come into play a lot in comming episodes imo.

Am I the only one who thinks that Beny and Juliet were an item before and had just recently broken up?

Origin1981
October 6th, 2006, 03:53 AM
That was one of the greatest teasers in TV history. Brilliant.
Jack's got real issues. I was hoping that the guy that Sarah left him for would be one of the new characters (or even an Other).
"The bears worked it out in two hours." :D

And Kate isn't Tom/Zeke/Mr Friendly's type? What is he, gay? :p

I do believe she was sleeping with his father otherwise his father would have showed him the phone when he asked to see it.

Ragnarok13
October 6th, 2006, 04:04 AM
wow, in true lost fashion i thought i was gonna know more, but now its even more confusing. a pretty good episode though. im just happy to have lost back

Dr McKay
October 6th, 2006, 04:53 AM
wow, in true lost fashion i thought i was gonna know more, but now its even more confusing. a pretty good episode though. im just happy to have lost back

lol i know what you mean, i was scratching my head all through the episode (its not nits lol), they were answering a couple of my questions but giving me about 10 more ! :(

Descent
October 6th, 2006, 08:05 AM
Good start to the third season! Beny definitly looks like hes incharge of the others, which kinda makes you wonder why he took the risk of approching the losties.

Yes, it does look like Henry has a lot of power but he's not the "leader" cause remember they're all afraid of that one person that they never wanna talk about.

FoolishPleasure
October 6th, 2006, 01:54 PM
For those who want a good LOST forum:

www.thefuselage.com

As for romance: the consensus seems to be Kate/Sawyer and Jack/Juliett. At least that is where TPTB want us to go at this time. ;)

majorsal
October 6th, 2006, 03:33 PM
I think odds say she'll choose Sawyer, although I would've picked Jack.

i would have picked jack too. ;)

but, sawyer's a hot doggy... hmmm, maybe kate should approach both guys and say, 'see, i want you both, so i'm choosing you both. if either of you have a problem with it, then you're out of luck. now, i'll have 'you' on mondays, wednesdays, and fridays, while 'you' i'll have on tuesdays, thursdays, and saturdays. i'll have you both on sundays... '

but i'd rather have kate be with jack.




sally :)

mishe
October 6th, 2006, 03:45 PM
anyone know if they are going to put these on itunes anytime soon?

Yes they are on itunes.

DEM
October 6th, 2006, 03:49 PM
At the beginning I thought we were getting a flashback from one of our Losties. Nice twist that it was "the Others".Yes! I nearly peed my pants.

Ya know, it's funny: Jack and Sawyer are easily my two least favourite characters, and the 'luv triangle' is even more easily my least favourite storyline. Nevertheless, I really enjoyed the ep! (especially after I figured out that Juliet was neither Sarah nor Penny.:rolleyes: ) Most of that was due to Juliet (great actor!) and the sheer delight of watching psychological torture via operant conditioning on network teevee. :D


The Others are deliciously twisted. Despite always wishing all manner of Hell on Jack, I was yelling at him not to do anything Juliet asked. She is sooo good, and he is sooo screwed.

I think I understand where The Others are going with Sawyer's conditioning, but I can't figure the angle they're taking with Kate.

Before the ep aired I said to someone that I was worried that the writers may be losing their way -- creating a sprawling, incoherent mess that drifts further and further away from the original premise. I'm going to hold onto a bit of my wariness (the better to defend against the inevitability of Juliet falling for Jackass), but I'm excited again.

ste
October 6th, 2006, 04:10 PM
i loved the clip of the plane falling apart

KatG
October 7th, 2006, 05:20 AM
i would have picked jack too. ;)

but, sawyer's a hot doggy... hmmm, maybe kate should approach both guys and say, 'see, i want you both, so i'm choosing you both. if either of you have a problem with it, then you're out of luck. now, i'll have 'you' on mondays, wednesdays, and fridays, while 'you' i'll have on tuesdays, thursdays, and saturdays. i'll have you both on sundays... '

but i'd rather have kate be with jack.




sally :)

I think Jack is way too much of a control freak for Kate. Just like in his first marriage, he'd always be trying to fix her, and after awhile I think it would drive Kate crazy and she'd do the same thing his first wife did, leave.

Sawyer on the other hand, for all his faults (and he has many), seems to understand Kate on an emotional level and he accepts her for who she is. And like you said, he's seriously hot, as in steamy. So, I'm definitely hoping she goes with Sawyer.

Although choosing them both does have many possibilities. ;)

KatG
October 7th, 2006, 05:24 AM
Yes! I nearly peed my pants.

Ya know, it's funny: Jack and Sawyer are easily my two least favourite characters, and the 'luv triangle' is even more easily my least favourite storyline. Nevertheless, I really enjoyed the ep! (especially after I figured out that Juliet was neither Sarah nor Penny.:rolleyes: ) Most of that was due to Juliet (great actor!) and the sheer delight of watching psychological torture via operant conditioning on network teevee. :D


The Others are deliciously twisted. Despite always wishing all manner of Hell on Jack, I was yelling at him not to do anything Juliet asked. She is sooo good, and he is sooo screwed.

I think I understand where The Others are going with Sawyer's conditioning, but I can't figure the angle they're taking with Kate.

Before the ep aired I said to someone that I was worried that the writers may be losing their way -- creating a sprawling, incoherent mess that drifts further and further away from the original premise. I'm going to hold onto a bit of my wariness (the better to defend against the inevitability of Juliet falling for Jackass), but I'm excited again.

Aren't they evil? I love it. And I agree, Juliet is fantastic. She's got the brainwashing technique down to a science. I'm really looking forward to seeing where they go with the Juliet/Jack angle (and not necessarily shippy although it doesn't bother me). Also glad that someone else was trying to figure out if Juliet was Penny or Sarah.

As for the angle they're taking with Kate, I'm not sure either, but I'm sure gonna stick around and find out.

MB.Eddie
October 7th, 2006, 06:13 AM
Good ep.

Sawyer in the cage was funny as hell.
Scenes with Jack and Juliet were quite good too.
Great to see more of the others homes/camps as well :)

Spacegirlnz
October 7th, 2006, 02:57 PM
Whaaooooo, I loved this episode. Like some of you I was worried that the writers might be loosing it a little, but I saw that teaser, and that was it. Those thoughts were banished from my mind for the rest of the episode. It was interesting to start the season with only 3 characters. But I loved it. I think it'll be interesting to learn about Juliet.

Also the fact that Juliet had that info on Jack suggests they do have communication/a way to get off the island, which leads me to believe that what they told Michael and Walt to do might just be correct, and they might just get off the island. I think I would want to see what happened when/if they did get off the island though. Would they come back to help? Would they tell someone? What?

Dr McKay
October 7th, 2006, 03:43 PM
Also the fact that Juliet had that info on Jack suggests they do have communication/a way to get off the island, which leads me to believe that what they told Michael and Walt to do might just be correct, and they might just get off the island. I think I would want to see what happened when/if they did get off the island though. Would they come back to help? Would they tell someone? What?

im not sure really, because like Fenry (Ben) said "my bet is you wont tell anybody, because if you do, people will find out what you did to get your son back"

i think michael will but at the same time he may not because of what he did to get walt back. :confused:

Ragnarok13
October 8th, 2006, 01:44 PM
i loved the clip of the plane falling apart

same hear, that was awsome, it almost looked real

Sheppard
October 8th, 2006, 03:19 PM
i honestly didnt get this episode it seemed really boring so i posted on here while listening to it :P but yeah it was really weird hopefully next weeks not as bad

Dr McKay
October 8th, 2006, 04:03 PM
i honestly didnt get this episode it seemed really boring so i posted on here while listening to it :P but yeah it was really weird hopefully next weeks not as bad

hopefully we see how walt+michael get on as well as locke+eko!

Sheppard
October 8th, 2006, 04:11 PM
yeah i really hope michael dies because he is a coward and not very nice but i hope the kid swims back to shore

Dr McKay
October 8th, 2006, 04:30 PM
yeah i really hope michael dies because he is a coward and not very nice but i hope the kid swims back to shore


lol thats a nice way of putting it ;)

Descent
October 8th, 2006, 05:17 PM
yeah i really hope michael dies because he is a coward and not very nice but i hope the kid swims back to shore

Then the kid gets to be fatherless, yay! :P

Sheppard
October 8th, 2006, 06:40 PM
well theirs all ways all the guys on the island to be his father

Dr McKay
October 9th, 2006, 05:09 AM
i dont think the writers would do this, as weve already seen walt loose his mum, so i cant see him loosing his dad too.

Sheppard
October 9th, 2006, 05:58 AM
damn

Arative
October 9th, 2006, 07:10 AM
hopefully we see how walt+michael get on as well as locke+eko!


Well Michael is not a regular on the show this year so chances are we will not see him or Walt much on the show.

Dr McKay
October 9th, 2006, 08:03 AM
Well Michael is not a regular on the show this year so chances are we will not see him or Walt much on the show.

i dont know why but i never really liked Michael as a character, he seemed to annoy me, then he shot Libby and Anna then i got pi**ed :D

Sheppard
October 9th, 2006, 08:37 AM
yeah when he killed them that was it i was like oh **** michael

~Benjamin~
October 9th, 2006, 11:34 AM
yeah i really hope michael dies because he is a coward and not very nice but i hope the kid swims back to shore

i dont think he is a coward because he is a loving parent and to see that he was helpless when walt got kidnapped i cant blame him for turning in some losties for his son (i know i would )

Dr McKay
October 9th, 2006, 12:31 PM
i dont think he is a coward because he is a loving parent and to see that he was helpless when walt got kidnapped i cant blame him for turning in some losties for his son (i know i would )


i cant really comment as im only 19 and dont have kids, but i think i would do it for any of my family in his situation.

KatG
October 9th, 2006, 04:08 PM
i dont think he is a coward because he is a loving parent and to see that he was helpless when walt got kidnapped i cant blame him for turning in some losties for his son (i know i would )

There was a better way. He could have been up front with Jack, they could have pretended to go along, and planned a rescue.

Descent
October 9th, 2006, 04:44 PM
Well Michael is not a regular on the show this year so chances are we will not see him or Walt much on the show.

The writers have said Michael will stay on as a recurring character through out the Season as we will follow him and Walt's progress and possible rescue

Dr McKay
October 9th, 2006, 05:22 PM
The writers have said Michael will stay on as a recurring character through out the Season as we will follow him and Walt's progress and possible rescue



i hope walt gets rescued then michael gets taken back to the island and gets whats coming to him!

SoulReaver
October 9th, 2006, 07:00 PM
yeah i really hope michael dies because he is a coward and not very nice but i hope the kid swims back to shore(worse: he's a murderer)
yeah same here
Though I'd rather Michael get caught & punished/jailed for what he did, but that's unlikely at least for a very, very long time in the storyline

SoulReaver
October 9th, 2006, 07:01 PM
I like the part where the other guy tells Sawyer that the bears figured out the food dispensing mechanism in only 2 hours - best line ever. ROFL

Dr McKay
October 9th, 2006, 07:10 PM
lol yeah that was great!

MB.Eddie
October 9th, 2006, 10:46 PM
I like the part where the other guy tells Sawyer that the bears figured out the food dispensing mechanism in only 2 hours - best line ever. ROFL

Yeah that was classic.

Arga
October 13th, 2006, 03:30 PM
When Sawer tried to escape with that guy, Karl, but was caught back.. I didn't understand why they made Karl say "i'm sorry I involved you in my break out attempt". What are they trying to say to Sawer?

And please, can you remind me who are Penny & Sarah?

What I found interesting was the scene with the plane at the begining. We learn the Others were living in a sort of holiday village in the middle of the island (what for? we don't know). And they witnessed the crashed, and apparently they were not expecting it, but got quickly organized to infiltrate both sides.

We learn they had a sort of zoo, that had bears. But the animals are all gone.

We can guess the Others can communicate with the world, to get information about people. (they pretend having "all the life" of Jack in a big folder).

Ben promised the next 2 weeks are going to be very unpleasant...

The cells are (or they want us to believe they are) under water.

This new character, Juliet, might help them, I think. Even if she is with the Others, and at the end pretending that Ben was going to sacrifice her, just to gain Jack's trust, ("good work Juliet"), I think that the first minute of video shows that she has some psychological trauma (she was almost breaking down crying), and maybe that will make her switch camp and help the lostees...
And the whole book session showed she didn't get on well with some people. at least disagreed strongly about litterature taste!

knowsfords
October 16th, 2006, 12:11 AM
Its funny how nobody said a word about the fact James killed a man in cold blood and so did Anna Lucia... Ana Lucia also killed Shannon, she shot her without hesitation. Micheal killed Ana Lucia and Elizabeth yes, but Elizabeth was an accident and Ana Lucia got what came to her in the islands eyes.

cindyz
October 16th, 2006, 12:15 AM
maybe the Island community is some kind of Utopia...and the presence of the outsiders is threatening in some way.....these Others seem to be skilled at questions and torture techniques.... do they only want "the good" folks for what they can offer in the way of helping the community to survive? just a thought that popped into my head. ramblings of an insane insomniac!

knowsfords
October 16th, 2006, 12:29 AM
maybe the Island community is some kind of Utopia...and the presence of the outsiders is threatening in some way.....these Others seem to be skilled at questions and torture techniques.... do they only want "the good" folks for what they can offer in the way of helping the community to survive? just a thought that popped into my head. ramblings of an insane insomniac!

Indeed, I also think the purpose of locking James and Kate up has something to do with eugenics and also because the others believe to be giving them the retribution for thier actions.

anulus
October 17th, 2006, 11:25 PM
What the others are doing with Jack is trying to break him. They could have left the food in the cell before he woke up but they didn't. They could have left the food in the cell after he was nocked out in his excape attempt but they didn't. Also they wanted Jack to try and escape. They wanted him to realize where he was. Which is underwater with many corridors surrounded by water so that he would feel helpless. Furthermore I don't believe he is underwater. The Others operate on lies. Lies within lies within other lies.

I say they're trying to break him because how does juliet know if jack is up against the wall. Nobody is watching him when she goes around to the door. There is no eyehole in the door to make sure he is against the wall. Its a way of controlling someones actions without their even knowing it. Jack should have figured this out. (I would have) I would have told her "NO"! "you cant trust me to go against that wall! I am not going to lie down for you or be brainwashed by you! You open this door and I am going to try and get out everytime untill you restrain me or I use one of these chains to hang myself because I WILL NOT BE YOUR LABRAT YOU BLOND BEAST OTHER!!!! YOU COME THROUGH THAT DOOR AND I WILL KILL YOU. YOUR BAD PEOPLE, YOU TOOK A PREGNANT WOMAN FROM OUR CAMP AND TRIED TO STEAL HER BABY AND HUNG ONE OF OUR PEOPLE FROM A TREE AT THE SAME TIME, YOU FORCED MICHAEL TO KILL AND BETRAY HIS FRIENDS BY USING HIS SON AS LEVERAGE, I HEARD WHAT HENRY SAID TO MICHAEL AT THE BOAT DOCK ABOUT BEING THE GOOD GUYS. WHAT PART OF WHAT I JUST SAID SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU". or you know something like that. or having figured that its probably a trick to subdue me I would go along with it until my chance to escape.

So does Jack know that Michael killed the two women? Do we see Michael and Walt again or did they really escape? I thought Walt was somehow essential to everything.

rushy
December 4th, 2009, 05:52 AM
How dare they put Jack in this ep, but not John.

rushy
December 4th, 2009, 05:55 AM
Henry is still VERY weird.