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po134
August 24th, 2004, 03:40 PM
I really doesn't like the Lex review (I've stopped after the first page) :S

Come on man We don't want your opinion about an episode ! We want the damn review ;) ... If you are aigainst a scenario it's not my problem if u just wanna see offworld travel with battle ! I understand it cans be boring but there is no need to write 5-600words about it ;)

I just don't get it ...

Review by Lex

Mar9645
August 24th, 2004, 04:07 PM
A review is an opinion. Or do you prefer the type of review that says everything in every episode was oh so perfect, wonderful, hunky dory, great?

Thank goodness Lex does honest, realistic and, yes, impartial reviews. She doesn't sugar coat the truth about the increasingly bad storytelling.

Major Fischer
August 24th, 2004, 04:24 PM
Reviews, by their nature, are opinions. Such is why they get star ratings. If you don't like the reviews, don't read them. ;)

Bagpuss
August 24th, 2004, 04:25 PM
Well,I was a bit intrigued about "Affinity"(Ok,nosy !),and checked the Gateworld ep reviews.
There are in fact 2 reviews of this episode.
One by Lex.One by Alli Snow.
Both give their opinion.
Both good writers,IMO. :)

ShadowMaat
August 24th, 2004, 04:33 PM
REVIEW (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=67&q=review)
v. re·viewed, re·view·ing, re·views
v. tr.
1. To look over, study, or examine again.
2. To consider retrospectively; look back on.
3. To examine with an eye to criticism (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=criticism) or correction: reviewed the research findings.
4. To write or give a critical report on (a new work or performance, for example).

Perhaps you're thinking of a summary (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=summary)- Presenting the substance in a condensed form; concise.

I always thought reviews were supposed to be personal views on a subject. Both Lex and Alli touched on some of the plot points contained in the ep and gave their interpretations of how those scenes and the ep as a whole "worked" for them... or, in this case, didn't work. ;)

spoilers for Affinity
Personally, I happen to think they're both more or less spot-on with their complaints. I know there are budget concerns, but Affinity was so far from what I consider to be a real ep of Stargate that it wasn't even enjoyable. I did laugh a few times, but it was from the sheer stupidity of what was happening. Teal'c beats up the Biff Tannen Gang, Teal'c channels Crocodile Dundee, Teal'c channels Mr. Miyagi... Over seven-plus seasons, we've managed to get to know Teal'c only slightly, but all of that good was very nearly undone by this single, wretched episode.

I find it very interesting- and very telling- that while both reviewers seem to stand on opposite sides where 'ship is concerned, both agree that this was a terrible ep.

I've been told that my expectations are too high and that I should be grateful for anything I can get. But it was Stargate itself that made me have high expectations and if the show fails to live up to its own high standards, how is that my fault? And why should I be grateful for it? Dreck is dreck, whether it's Stargate or Poochinsky 2063. ;)

I, for one, am glad that Gateworld found a couple of reviewers willing to honestly state their opinions instead of toeing the party line and cheering on anything that gets thrown at us. I'm also glad that they were able to discuss the merits and failings of the ep as a whole instead of dwelling on a... certain aspect which has so completely overwhelmed the Affinity ep discussion thread that I can't even set foot in the thread. I pity anyone who actually wants to discuss the ep as it was readily apparent from my one or two forays in there that a majority of the posters have no interest in anything like plot but instead would rather dwell obsessively on that One Aspect to the utter exclusion of everything else. *sigh* But I digress.

Kudos to Lex and Alli for their reviews. :)

Major Fischer
August 24th, 2004, 05:30 PM
Kudos to Gateworld for getting two reviewers that could handle writing the one for this episode and not have it degenerate the way that it could have, and who both came up with a consistant star rating. I've found as I catch up on my SG1 viewing that I rely a great deal on the stars.

Good job, both of you!

Seastallion
August 25th, 2004, 04:39 AM
I've been watching Stargate for a long time now, and I have to say that I like "Afinity". Could it have been better? Probably. However, it wasn't terrible. I enjoyed seeing Teal'c having to deal with the craziness of Earth, and thought it went rather well. I have to say I was saddened that Teal'c was forced to live back on base again after the fact. In any case, I felt that the reviews were a little harsh. I watch stargate to be entertained, and guess what? I was entertained. End of story. :)

p.s.- I wouldn't mind seeing more Teal'c "on Earth" stories in the future. His character is such, that humor can easily be found when confonting "Earth" normal. :cool:

ShadowMaat
August 25th, 2004, 04:51 AM
Of all the possible "Teal'c on Earth" stories they could have done, this is what we get?? Sorry, but no thanks. I'd rather see him deal with some serious content, not this recycled soap opera melodrama. :rolleyes:

Lowa
August 25th, 2004, 04:54 AM
Hi everyone!

I think both reviews are pretty cold....

I think it was necessary to see Teal'c's reactions to our way of life.....

Maybe this episode is not the best writing the writers made, but maybe this episode was a long postponed part of SG-1's life....

I'm sorry if my english is bad. I'm hungarian(Hungary is in Central Europe)....... ;)

ShadowMaat
August 25th, 2004, 05:06 AM
I'm all for seeing Teal'c's "reactions" to living on Earth, but first of all, he's been around long enough to have clued in on at least a few things. I could see him reacting like this back in seasons 2 or 3, but season 8??

Also, I didn't get the impression that the reviewers hated this ep because it showed Teal'c on Earth, I got the impression they hated it because the writers reduced Teal'c to such a stupid role in a such stupid plot instead of taking full advantage of the opportunity to really explore the depth of Teal'c's character and maybe poke some fun at "strange Earth customs" or something like that. At least I know that I was disappointed by it...

If the reviews were cold, maybe it's because the episode left them both feeling cold. ;)

Welcome to the board, by the way. Your English is better than some native speakers'. :P

Liv
August 25th, 2004, 05:17 AM
REVIEW (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=67&q=review)
v. re·viewed, re·view·ing, re·views
v. tr.
1. To look over, study, or examine again.
2. To consider retrospectively; look back on.
3. To examine with an eye to criticism (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=criticism) or correction: reviewed the research findings.
4. To write or give a critical report on (a new work or performance, for example).

Perhaps you're thinking of a summary (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=summary)- Presenting the substance in a condensed form; concise.

I always thought reviews were supposed to be personal views on a subject. Both Lex and Alli touched on some of the plot points contained in the ep and gave their interpretations of how those scenes and the ep as a whole "worked" for them... or, in this case, didn't work. ;)

I find it very interesting- and very telling- that while both reviewers seem to stand on opposite sides where 'ship is concerned, both agree that this was a terrible ep.

I, for one, am glad that Gateworld found a couple of reviewers willing to honestly state their opinions instead of toeing the party line and cheering on anything that gets thrown at us. I'm also glad that they were able to discuss the merits and failings of the ep as a whole instead of dwelling on a... certain aspect which has so completely overwhelmed the Affinity ep discussion thread that I can't even set foot in the thread. I pity anyone who actually wants to discuss the ep as it was readily apparent from my one or two forays in there that a majority of the posters have no interest in anything like plot but instead would rather dwell obsessively on that One Aspect to the utter exclusion of everything else. *sigh* But I digress.

Kudos to Lex and Alli for their reviews. :)

Hear, hear! Kudos to ShadowMaat for covering it so well, I am in complete agreement.

Also, the reason I read reviews is to get an opinion that may be different from my own and in doing so just might make me see that particular episode in another light (or at least certain aspects of it). Or in some cases, it's just out of curiousity to see if the reviewer happens to agree with me on things that I enjoyed. Because sometimes it's just fun to know (and also, oddly comforting) that someone else laughs at the same things I do. :D

Skydiver
August 25th, 2004, 07:21 AM
Also, I didn't get the impression that the reviewers hated this ep because it showed Teal'c on Earth, I got the impression they hated it because the writers reduced Teal'c to such a stupid role in a such stupid plot instead of taking full advantage of the opportunity to really explore the depth of Teal'c's character and maybe poke some fun at "strange Earth customs" or something like that.


exactly. I mean, was the situation any more cliche????? Was there anyone out there that didn't know the boyfriend was gonna buy it? Anyone that didn't know the nosy old lady with the cat was gonna turn teal'c in? (even though we didn't see it, she had to have been teh person to tell the cops, they deliberately showed her hearing teal'c threaten him.)

I mean, at least do something different....have the boyfriend kill the old lady or have one of the gang bangers terrorize the apartment complex, something.

Of course, what the hades are they doing moving teal'c into such a crime ridden neighborhood anyway???? Gang bangers, punks and purse snatchers.....all he needed was a hooker on the corner.

IMHO, Peter DeLuise took a fast and easy way out to crank out a story, which means, in my opinion, the eps was easily predictible. This fantastic opportunity to explore earth and Teal'c got buried under a lot of easy cliches.

The only part i really enjoyed was watching Pete immitate Gil Grissom (CSI).

I find Cop Pete much more enjoyable than Puppy Pete

ShadowMaat
August 25th, 2004, 08:14 AM
exactly. I mean, was the situation any more cliche????? Was there anyone out there that didn't know the boyfriend was gonna buy it?
Well, you knew he was goinna buy it because he was the Evil Abusive Boyfriend. That was the sum total of his personality. No shadings, no quirks, no redeeming features at all. Not only did you know he was going to die, you WANTED him to because there was nothing to save the character from Cliche-ville.

The gang-bangers were all Token Evil Bad-asses, too. The kid was the Plucky Teen Who Idolizes the Hero. The neighbor was the Crazy Old Cat Lady. The girl was the Sexy Damsel in Distress. The Trust Guys were all card-carrying members of the Mysteriously Evil and Omniscient Organization. I've said this before about another ep, but in this case, ALL of the characters were so one-dimensional it's a wonder they weren't sucked flat from the experience.

All the good characters were completely good, all the bad characters were completely bad. There were no surprises, no variations, no excitement, no drama. It was cheap and fast and... well, that's pretty much it.

I, too, can't believe that the government would allow Teal'c to live in such a neighborhood. I would find it much more likely that they'd get him a place in Daniel's building, for example, so that there would be someone familiar and trustworthy to keep an eye on Teal'c and to help him out if he needs it. He's a national secret. They're gonna want to protect him even if he's out on "the streets". Someone had to be double-checking everything and I can't imagine they'd have okayed Teal'c's choice. Unless the rest of Colorado Springs is even worse than that and that was the best to be found. ;) Heck, I can't believe Teal'c would want to live there, himself.

David
August 25th, 2004, 02:58 PM
I enjoyed the episode, but alas, I will admit that I may grow tired of this particular episode when I get out my notepad and begin to jot down data for the Omnipedia.

ShadowMaat
August 25th, 2004, 03:02 PM
Yeah, but you're easy to please, David. ;) Making me happy is usually an uphill battle. ;) Unless there's chocolate involved. :D

David
August 25th, 2004, 03:22 PM
Are you going to cease from watching new episodes of SG-1 again?

ShadowMaat
August 25th, 2004, 03:32 PM
After one bad ep? No. But if it looks as if the writers are back on their Stupid Pills full time, I may just do that. :P

I wanna see Prometheus Unbound. Just for Gary Jones. ;) I may skip Sacrifices, though. And It's Good to Be King. :P

Mar9645
August 25th, 2004, 03:59 PM
After one bad ep? No. But if it looks as if the writers are back on their Stupid Pills full time, I may just do that. :P
One bad ep? This from the person who feels/felt(?) Season 7 jumped the shark?

Try 4 1/2 (I'm counting New Order as one story) bad eps. And I don't see it getting any better with Covenant.

At least the first six episodes of Season 7 were entertaining. It was after Lifeboat that it started degenerating. Season 8 is turning into a disaster right from the start.

I wish it wasn't true but, IMO, the shark has brought his friends.

ShadowMaat
August 25th, 2004, 04:06 PM
One bad ep? This from the person who feels/felt(?) Season 7 jumped the shark?
One bad ep this season. And maybe my standards have been lowered a bit after a year of no Stargate, but I've liked Stargate this season. Mostly. OK, actually, Avatar was pretty crap, so make that two bad eps. Still, it was more like four or five in a row that convinced me to stop watching last season. Covenant does sound very gimmicky. And then Sacrifices, which makes my skin crawl just thinking about it. *sigh* Guess we'll see.

Back on topic, I do like the reviews. I checked out a few of the others just to be fair (I'd only read the Affinity ones when I made my first few posts on this thread). I liked them just as much as the one for AFFINITY AND I didn't find them to be overly negative or whiney or too personally biased or anything.

Mio
August 25th, 2004, 06:00 PM
I can't say that I don't agree 100% with the review. Though. that extra half a star was clearly unnecisary

Tok'Ra Hostess
August 25th, 2004, 06:09 PM
[QUOTE=ShadowMaat]

All the good characters were completely good, all the bad characters were completely bad. There were no surprises, no variations, no excitement, no drama. It was cheap and fast and... well, that's pretty much it.

It's a 44 minute tv show where the real plot was the Trust waiting for an opportunity to force Daniel(in this case) to do their bidding.

I look at these "cliche" characters(one of 2 overused words I wish I could erase from existence, BTW - the other being the word from which it sprang:stereotype. :rolleyes: ) and think of Greek theater. (Only three actors played all the parts and simply changed masks to cue the audience to which character they were currently playing). Those, IMO, were the roles played in Affinity by the "good", the "bad" and the Trust.

You say there were no surprises, no variations, no excitement, no drama. Okay, fine. OTOH, I am not toeing any party's "line" when I say that I think that the ep was intelligent, funny, and tense, setting us up for some serious stuff down the road.

But then, I don't watch tv, so I'm not overfed on drama, excitement and all that other top quality stuff that apparently exists, somewhere in that 500+ channel universe. :p


I, too, can't believe that the government would allow Teal'c to live in such a neighborhood.

I agree, and even though I found the ep, overall, to be a good one, there were plot points like this that grated on me. That being said, such things happen in the so-called up-scale neighborhoods, too.

Major Fischer
August 25th, 2004, 08:01 PM
Personally, I look to reviews to give me a sense of how the episode flowed. I may not agree with the reviewer's opinion on any one character or plot element, but the way the epsiode fits togeather is often clearly visible in a well written review. Even if I don't agree with the number of stars given.

po134
August 26th, 2004, 01:29 PM
Lowa , my english too ;) (I'm from Quebec (Canada)) :p