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GateWorld
September 8th, 2006, 07:16 PM
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SG-1 races against Baal in the hunt to find the Sangraal, Merlin's anti-Ori weapon, and comes up against a series of ancient trials.

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irish05
September 22nd, 2006, 07:06 PM
Great episode!

siXbrownSnakes2
September 22nd, 2006, 07:07 PM
i hate cliffhangers





Fun ep, not because it was action or drama packed but because each character filled out their roles perfectly and everyone worked as a team and it was really nice to see. The Daniel + Adria "chat" at the end of the episode was really nice and I think that will play a big part in the second part of the episode.

This will be a cruel 6 months :(

gatewonderer114
September 22nd, 2006, 07:08 PM
Holy crap what a great episode. I loved it, the whole thing with Adria being there, totaly deceptive. The end, when Daniel and Adria there right in front of the sangraal, amazing. I cannot wait for part 2 now, is going to kick some major ass!

irish05
September 22nd, 2006, 07:10 PM
"If you don't help, I'll shove YOU through the bars."

HAHAHAHAHAAHAAH!!!!

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
September 22nd, 2006, 07:10 PM
Great episode. I can't wait for March (or January ;)). That was an interesting ending. Love that scene at the beginning of the episode with Vala. I predict this episode was written by Joe, because it was actually good (I'm not blasting the Mallozzi/Mullie writing team, I'm just saying I think Joe wrote this one and Paul wrote Momento Mori)

Dani347
September 22nd, 2006, 07:23 PM
Meep! I hate being the first one to post. I'm a follower, not a leader. (By the time I actually post this, I'm betting someone else will beat me to it, so I won't be the first post, and this whole thing will be for nothing)

So, am I crazy? Did my eyes deceive me? Or, was the team actually together for the episode?

Some people on another board were speculating that the 5 virtues were going to be used by each individual team member and were trying to figure out which person embodied which virtue. But, instead it was them all working together. Although, getting through the maze was prudence, and Sam figured that out, so she could have led with that. And, Daniel had the faith to walk through the fire. I like when they have to work things out like that.

Okay, I knew Osric was going to be Adria (me love spoilers) and that Daniel would hone in on it because of the ring and the Ori words, but when did he get a chance to convey that to the others?

When Adria said she'd start killing members of the team, starting with "her" was she talking about Sam? I couldn't tell who she was gesturing to, but she seems to want to protect Vala.

Ba'al! Your poor voice! Why have they robbed you of the flang? (Yes, I know the flang has been gone for a long time. I still miss it) And, exactly what was his purpose in this episode? To tag along, and get a "get a room" snark? Pointless. You don't just stick Ba'al in an episode.

When they went through the passage after killing the Ori soldiers, what did the old lady say to Mitchell right before he went through? And, when they were going through the cave(?) working the puzzles, was Daniel saying the Ancient translations of the words that the others were saying as passwords?

Didn't give Teal'c much of anything to do.

I might have missed something, but the beginning when Daniel was trying to find the address, Mitchell and Teal'c seemed off. Like they were trying to get away so they wouldn't have to hear him go on. Which I know some people might have that reaction (fools!) but it seems to be a long way from Mitchell eagerly listening to his briefings or Teal'c patiently working with Daniel in Morpheus. I didn't see the whole scene, so I could be wrong with what they were doing. Struck me off the same way Daniel's reaction to Sam tecnobabbling in Ripple Effect did.

Anyway, overall impression? Like having the team together. Like that the problem and solution came from then using their brains and courage. Liked that when they were going through the maze, Vala kept her hand on Mitchell's back. I would have done the same thing. Not trusting my balance to keep me completely on the straight and narrow. Better to brace myself. Liked the end (right before the dragon. The show down between Adria and Daniel). Didn't like the pointlessness of Ba'al. Would have liked Teal'c to have some individual thing to do. Didn't find the episode fantastically wonderful (oh nooo! I'm so baad!) but a nice episode. And, again, team together.

jburrows
September 22nd, 2006, 07:26 PM
Very good episode.

Maxum
September 22nd, 2006, 07:29 PM
This was an outstanding episode. It was everything I love about SG-1: Team work, intelligence, ingenuity, courage, action, loyalty, and of course, the good old cliffhanger.

Everyone was on their game tonight, and I can actually state that I didn't have a problem with any of the characters, with the exception of Baal. I have no idea why his character was in the mix tonight, but it may be explained in Part II.

I enjoyed the idea of the "Quest" more than I thought I would. Sometimes these types of storylines can be tedious and overdone, but since all the cast was able to participate and contribute, it was actually quite enjoyable.

Sam was her usual brilliant self. I have never had a problem with Sam leading SG-1, and tonight's episode clearly demonstrated that fact. The team tends to follow her instinctively, but in no way does that negate Mitchell's presence as a team lead also.

Mitchell has really come into his own, imo. The writers have found his center, and it shows. He's not as cocky as he was in Season 9 nor is he the idol worshipper of SG-1 that he was in the beginning. He has grown comfortable with the team, and he has found a place for himself in it, and it shows.

Teal'c was not background fodder this episode either. He contributed to the puzzles and solutions as much as everyone else, and yet, he still obtained the "warrior Jaffa" side of his personality. His distrust of Baal and Adria never faded from view, and I loved his "I'll squeeze you through these bars" line to Baal when Baal refused to help rescue the boy.

Vala was her usual self, and at first, my thought was that she's too cutsy or always cracking jokes, but frankly, I feel that it works for her character. I don't want her all serious and intellectual. Otherwise, she becomes like SG-1, and I don't really think of her in that way. I think of SG-1 as comprised of very brilliant minds and experience that has melded these three individuals into a solid cohesive unit. If everyone could simply "be" part of SG-1, it would lessen their standing in the SGC, imo. Vala is not an idiot at all, but she is also not on the level of the others on SG-1. Mitchell is certainly capable of reaching that level; he simply lacks the experience, so I don't put him in the same category as Vala. Don't get me wrong, I love Vala, but I'm glad she's not similar to SG-1. She's very different.

And last but not least, Daniel. THIS is the Daniel Jackson I absolutely adore -the problem solver - intellectual, intuitive, and scholastic. Maybe it's just me, but there is a definite chemistry between Daniel and Adria, and I don't mean a romantic chemistry. It's more like an adversarial chemistry. The type of situation when you look forward to their scenes because you know that they will be doing a lot of intellectual sparring. Daniel was suspicious of Adria the more he was watching her, even when she was disguised as the old man. I loved how Daniel immediately moved to protect Sam from Adria's "example of her powers." Always love how Daniel can solve puzzles and problems, especially with the wall of flames - but the best moment was the very end when Daniel and Adria were on the pedastal. Great scene - the dialogue, the acting, the suspicions, the reveal - everything.

Tonight's episode delivered in spades as far as this viewer is concerned. It was a serious episode, speckled with a little bit of humor. I loved that the usual team units were completely obliterated. No Daniel/Vala, Teal'c/Mitchell, and Sam by her lonesome. It was the whole team, everyone talking, everyone contributing, and everyone showing their smarts and their abilities. They were impressive. This is SG-1.

The ending could have been a bit more dramatic, but then again, I feel it served its purpose. I have a ton of questions: Did Morgan Lafey allow SG-1 to get close to the crystal since she knows Daniel? How can Adria manipulate dreams from so far away? Did Adria believe that Daniel was the only person who could actually retrieve the stone? If so, why couldn't Daniel retrieve it? What was the warning she made to Daniel? (I don't think it's the future episode that some of us know about since it seemed specific to this particular Quest), and last but not least - Why was Baal involved at all?

Geez, it's going to be a long six months! Fabulous episode. It really was a 10/10 for me.

Dani347
September 22nd, 2006, 07:39 PM
Everyone was on their game tonight, and I can actually state that I didn't have a problem with any of the characters, with the exception of Baal. I have no idea why his character was in the mix tonight, but it may be explained in Part II.

Possibly -about being explained in part 2. Lets hope so, or it really was a waste for him to be there.


Teal'c was not background fodder this episode either. He contributed to the puzzles and solutions as much as everyone else, and yet, he still obtained the "warrior Jaffa" side of his personality. His distrust of Baal and Adria never faded from view, and I loved his "I'll squeeze you through these bars" line to Baal when Baal refused to help rescue the boy.

I guess I just wanted Teal'c to have some individual moment to shine, so to speak. Daniel had a few, including the final battle of wills with Adria. Sam had the maze. Vala had the dream. Mitchell had the scene with the old woman. It just seemed like Teal'c didn't have anything specific to him.




And last but not least, Daniel. THIS is the Daniel Jackson I absolutely adore -the problem solver - intellectual, intuitive, and scholastic. Maybe it's just me, but there is a definite chemistry between Daniel and Adria, and I don't mean a romantic chemistry. It's more like an adversarial chemistry. The type of situation when you look forward to their scenes because you know that they will be doing a lot of intellectual sparring. Daniel was suspicious of Adria the more he was watching her, even when she was disguised as the old man. I loved how Daniel immediately moved to protect Sam from Adria's "example of her powers." Always love how Daniel can solve puzzles and problems, especially with the wall of flames - but the best moment was the very end when Daniel and Adria were on the pedastal. Great scene - the dialogue, the acting, the suspicions, the reveal - everything.

Yes, I love when they let Daniel do things like this. And, yes, chemistry can be adversarial.


Tonight's episode delivered in spades as far as this viewer is concerned. It was a serious episode, speckled with a little bit of humor. I loved that the usual team units were completely obliterated. No Daniel/Vala, Teal'c/Mitchell, and Sam by her lonesome. It was the whole team, everyone talking, everyone contributing, and everyone showing their smarts and their abilities. They were impressive. This is SG-1.

I still didn't find it fantabulous (an elusive quality that I can't break down as to what was missing) but these are all reasons why it was a good episode.


The ending could have been a bit more dramatic, but then again, I feel it served its purpose. I have a ton of questions: Did Morgan Lafey allow SG-1 to get close to the crystal since she knows Daniel? How can Adria manipulate dreams from so far away? Did Adria believe that Daniel was the only person who could actually retrieve the stone? If so, why couldn't Daniel retrieve it? What was the warning she made to Daniel? (I don't think it's the future episode that some of us know about since it seemed specific to this particular Quest), and last but not least - Why was Baal involved at all?

Good questions. Especially the last. There had better be a reason for Ba'al being there.

eta: So it was defintely Sam that Adria threatened?

Descent
September 22nd, 2006, 07:43 PM
Great episode with a nice cliffhanger. Daniel really is playing a central part this season which I like.

Overall I'd give it an 8/10.

Can't wait for March.

Maxum
September 22nd, 2006, 07:54 PM
I guess I just wanted Teal'c to have some individual moment to shine, so to speak. Daniel had a few, including the final battle of wills with Adria. Sam had the maze. Vala had the dream. Mitchell had the scene with the old woman. It just seemed like Teal'c didn't have anything specific to him.

Teal'c figured out one of the puzzles, he had dialogue similiar to the others. Sometimes Teal'c is hardly heard or seen in episodes, and for me, that clearly was not the case. I think everyone got their little moments.



Yes, I love when they let Daniel do things like this. And, yes, chemistry can be adversarial.

Indeed. I can't figure out if she's intrigued by Daniel or not. Again, not in a romantic way, but just because Daniel is a former Ascended, as she called him.



I still didn't find it fantabulous (an elusive quality that I can't break down as to what was missing) but these are all reasons why it was a good episode.

Well, all episodes are subjective, of course. For me, it was fabulous. I can easily rewatch this episode several times, and there are no FF moments for me. Always a good sign.



Good questions. Especially the last. There had better be a reason for Ba'al being there.

eta: So it was defintely Sam that Adria threatened?

Yeah, it was Sam. Adria glanced to her left when she spoke to Daniel, which was where Sam was standing. Also, Adria would not have threatened her mother's life. Lastly, Daniel's reaction to Adria's threat was VERY emotional. Daniel doesn't have that kind of emotional connection to Vala, but he certainly does with Sam.

Dani347
September 22nd, 2006, 08:03 PM
Teal'c figured out one of the puzzles, he had dialogue similiar to the others. Sometimes Teal'c is hardly heard or seen in episodes, and for me, that clearly was not the case. I think everyone got their little moments.


Which puzzle? Can't go back and look right now because I'm taping Numb3rs.






Well, all episodes are subjective, of course. For me, it was fabulous. I can easily rewatch this episode several times, and there are no FF moments for me. Always a good sign.

Well, I won't make any guarantees, but it might improve on second watch. I admit I watch the episodes the first time with a sense of hesitation -will there be Ori (oh, forgot the essential -I hate the Ori), will the team split up, will they Saran Wrap Daniel and Vala together, will there be lots of ships and things blowing up? Since those things didn't happen (expect a little bit of Ori stuff, bleagh) and I know they didn't, I might be able to enjoy another showing without waiting for the ax to drop. Again, no guarantees.



Yeah, it was Sam. Adria glanced to her left when she spoke to Daniel, which was where Sam was standing. Also, Adria would not have threatened her mother's life. Lastly, Daniel's reaction to Adria's threat was VERY emotional. Daniel doesn't have that kind of emotional connection to Vala, but he certainly does with Sam.

I believe you that it was Sam. But, I think if they wanted to push the D/V, they would have had Daniel have the same reaction. And, I think since he does care about Vala (no shippy interpretation intended in that remark) he would have reacted to her life being threatened like he did with Sam. But, again, I believe it was Sam.

Dromag67
September 22nd, 2006, 08:09 PM
Really an outstanding episode, I enjoyed Baal being in the episode and I hope he has a bunch to do in the 2nd part. Really fun, and not reading the spoilers about Adria made it even better. Never saw it coming although I knew something fishy was up with the old guy.

And she was HOT tonight.

Great moments all together, I want to see more Ba'al bonding next time if he makes it through the episode without Adria going bezerk on him. :D

bumontheroad
September 22nd, 2006, 08:10 PM
sweet...dragon...*drools*

now all i'm wondering is what Sg-1's gonna do with Baal and Adria once they get the Sangraal.

MasySyma
September 22nd, 2006, 08:18 PM
What a fantastic episode!!! It was wonderful in so many ways.

1. I loved the team dynamic. Everyone had a job and fulfilled the five virtues together. I even loved Ba'al and Adria as part of the group intent on finding the Grail.

2. Daniel rocked in this episode. His conversation with Adria was wonderful, and I agree that I love him in archeologist mode.

3. Vala is quickly becoming one of my favorite characters. I enjoy her presence on the team. The mask scene was reminiscent of early Daniel. By now, Daniel acts far more military than he used to, so it is Vala's turn to come flying around corners to figure out puzzles, even if she had help.

4. The old man as Adria was a great twist. I was expecting the old man to be yet another cryptic ancient, so I was pleased when I was wrong.

5. The Dragon looks fantastic. If he could only eat Ba'al, I would be truly happy.

I can't think of any drawbacks to the episode right now. I even liked the "get a room" remark because it was describing Ba'al's attempts to flirt in order to achieve more power.

10/10!

However, I would like to feed the Scifi execs to the dragon for making us wait until March for Part 2, and I would like to make them shovel much dragon dung for cancelling SG-1.

KindlyKeller
September 22nd, 2006, 08:18 PM
SG-1 is starting to get really lame. I like the Arthurian mythology okay, but the dragon was just embarrassing to watch. I expected more out of the big finale.

the fifth man
September 22nd, 2006, 08:18 PM
I loved this episode. A great way to close out the first half of this season IMO. What a cliffhanger too.:) I definitely give this one a 9.5/10. Like some have already said though, this 6-month wait is going to be a killer.:( The team really worked well together in this one, and I really enjoyed seeing Ba'al and Adria thrown into the mix as they were.

Racingtime
September 22nd, 2006, 08:20 PM
So, am I crazy? Did my eyes deceive me? Or, was the team actually together for the episode?

I wasn't sure how this episode would turn out but I really liked it. One of my favorite for Season 10 now because yes, the team was finally together. I didn't see them paired off (and no shipping!!), I saw a lot of different interactions, I saw real concern for one another. I liked that Daniel didn't hesitate to yell out no when Adria threatened Sam and that both Sam and Mitchell yelled out for Daniel when he went through the fire. I even liked the little back pat that Vala gave Sam after Sam got them through the maze (along with when she put her head on Sam's shoulder in the beginning). This is the kind of teamwork that I miss and wish they would do more of.


Some people on another board were speculating that the 5 virtues were going to be used by each individual team member and were trying to figure out which person embodied which virtue. But, instead it was them all working together.I like when they have to work things out like that.

I was speculating that it might be a virtue for each of them since there were five virtues in another thread and I was really happy with the way they did it instead because I again liked how everyone played a role and worked together to get through it.


Okay, I knew Osric was going to be Adria (me love spoilers) and that Daniel would hone in on it because of the ring and the Ori words, but when did he get a chance to convey that to the others?

I knew it too and was happy with the way they showed the team (though especially Daniel) figuring it out gradually.


When Adria said she'd start killing members of the team, starting with "her" was she talking about Sam? I couldn't tell who she was gesturing to, but she seems to want to protect Vala.

I think someone else mentioned this but yeah it was Sam which I'm glad about and like I said, I liked the way Daniel right away protested that.


And, exactly what was his purpose in this episode? To tag along, and get a "get a room" snark? Pointless. You don't just stick Ba'al in an episode.

Don't know about this episode but unless he was lying, he'll hopefully have the name of the dragon in Part 2.


Didn't give Teal'c much of anything to do.

Dont' know if someone will post before I get a chance to but in answer to your other post, Teal'c answered the "wind" riddle. I like that he at least had little moments to help out along with that too (and I liked his responses to Ba'al).


I might have missed something, but the beginning when Daniel was trying to find the address, Mitchell and Teal'c seemed off. Like they were trying to get away so they wouldn't have to hear him go on.

Mitchell did seem like he wanted to get away before Daniel could start talking but Teal'c actually puts his arm in front of Mitchell preventing him from leaving after he asks about Daniel.


Anyway, overall impression? Like having the team together. Like that the problem and solution came from then using their brains and courage.

Yes, I agree. It turned out much better than I expected.

sharkface217
September 22nd, 2006, 08:20 PM
A good, well-written cliffhanger episode. A solid 8/10.


The only problems I have with it are:

A) Those actors in the "temporal trap" were moving like crazy.
B) Ba'al had no purpose.
C) The Cliffhanger!

the fifth man
September 22nd, 2006, 08:21 PM
sweet...dragon...*drools*

now all i'm wondering is what Sg-1's gonna do with Baal and Adria once they get the Sangraal.

They'll find a way to ditch them.;)

Brock
September 22nd, 2006, 08:22 PM
I can't believe I have to wait six months for the season to start back. :mckay:

Dani347
September 22nd, 2006, 08:22 PM
The mask scene was reminiscent of early Daniel.


Mask scene?

I got a chance to see the very start, and Teal'c did ask how his search was coming. But, where did Mitchell say he and Teal'c were going? I've listened 3 times, and can't make it out.

FoolishPleasure
September 22nd, 2006, 08:25 PM
This was an episode that reminded me of the "good old days". There is still life in it yet.

*Kicks Skiffy execs*

DrMongol
September 22nd, 2006, 08:26 PM
Mask scene?

I got a chance to see the very start, and Teal'c did ask how his search was coming. But, where did Mitchell say he and Teal'c were going? I've listened 3 times, and can't make it out.
I think he said they were going out to get some Szechwan, which is an asian style food. Pretty good too, if you've never had it, I suggest it.

Captain-Peregrine
September 22nd, 2006, 08:27 PM
Oh, I thought this was a wonderful episode. I loved the "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" feeling it had. I loved all of Morgen's traps and how each one had to be solved. I loved the time-distortion maze and the charity ring, as well as all the riddles and the fire at the end. And I wonder if it really is a Dragon about to blast them all to hell and brimestone? Doubtful, but that would have been really cool. lol

I loved the character interactions, too. Not only between the team, but between Ba'al and even Adria. I loved how even she came up with one of the answers to the riddles and how tense she sounded. I really hate her, but she makes SUCH a good enemy. Too bad Daniel didn't shoot her at the end, though. *sigh* That would have been too easy, I guess.

Man, I just loved this episode. Six months is going to drive me bloody wonky. Man, the people I work with are going to hate me... not to mention Parents. ;) Great episode! I am so happy I wasn't disappointed, because I really was afraid I would be. So, yay!

MasySyma
September 22nd, 2006, 08:28 PM
Mask scene?

I got a chance to see the very start, and Teal'c did ask how his search was coming. But, where did Mitchell say he and Teal'c were going? I've listened 3 times, and can't make it out.

At the beginning of the episode, Vala comes running in with a beauty mask on her face. She has to move it when speaking to Daniel, and it holds back her hair while Sam test the cominations for the planet's address. I don't remember the technial name for those masks. They are like putting an ice pack on the face, sort of.

bumontheroad
September 22nd, 2006, 08:29 PM
yeah, i noticed that the people who were frozen in time just happened to be swaying a little, too, but I don't think that this episode should get the death penalty for that. Great episode

the fifth man
September 22nd, 2006, 08:30 PM
A good, well-written cliffhanger episode. A solid 8/10.


The only problems I have with it are:

A) Those actors in the "temporal trap" were moving like crazy.
B) Ba'al had no purpose.
C) The Cliffhanger!

A) I give them a lot of credit for being as still as they were. It's hard to stay still like that;

B) Let's wait for Part 2 - don't forget, he supposedly knows the name of the guardian (dragon);

C) I like the cliffhanger personally.

DrMongol
September 22nd, 2006, 08:31 PM
yeah, i noticed that the people who were frozen in time just happened to be swaying a little, too, but I don't think that this episode should get the death penalty for that. Great episode

I also noticed that Carter and the team were getting uncomfortably close to most of those people, a mere inches away. If I were in their situation, I would try to stay as far away as possible.

Dezdmona
September 22nd, 2006, 08:32 PM
Did Adria believe that Daniel was the only person who could actually retrieve the stone? If so, why couldn't Daniel retrieve it? What was the warning she made to Daniel? (I don't think it's the future episode that some of us know about since it seemed specific to this particular Quest)
I think Adria does believe Daniel is the only one who can retrieve the stone.

As for your other questions?......

I am most curious to learn the answers. :confused:

Descent
September 22nd, 2006, 08:32 PM
I loved the cliffhanger, I thought it outdid last years mid-season cliffhanger. :cameron:

Mitchell82
September 22nd, 2006, 08:33 PM
Outstanding episode, exactly what I expected the mid season finale to be like. Great chemistry with all the characters, wonderfull plot great effects and just plain great! Baal did have a purpose for those who are confused, he was looking for the Sangral as well to destroy both the ori and lantians. I loved Adria's deception really shows how evil she is. Loved how the medevial cities all look similar as they should if they follow Arthur. I loved the puzzels and loved the wall of fire and the Dragon. I have a theroy about the ending of part 1. I think Daniel was unable to aquire the Sangral not b/c he isn't pure of heart but b/c it sensed the Orici. Great ep 10/10 and really want a Lantian time machine to see the second part as the wait will be brutal! Oh well (puts in SG-1 DVDs);)

the fifth man
September 22nd, 2006, 08:33 PM
I loved the cliffhanger, I thought it outdid last years mid-season cliffhanger. :cameron:

I do too.:)

Atlantean Engineer
September 22nd, 2006, 08:36 PM
I think it was rather mediocre. The emotion didn't seem to be there as in SGA. Dialogue was a bit choppy too. Lots of one liners, not as much meaningful dialogue. Vala also annoyed me in this episode. You're a mother in front of your daughter, quit acting like such at ditz! The whole Vala and riddles thing really made the dialogue seem stupid. The plot wasn't bad though, with Baal getting involved and Daniel getting alot of archeology and Ancienty stuff. I give it a 6/10.

IMO, since the spoilers say that Daniel will become a Prior, Daniel will somehow get the Sangraal after they defeat the dragon. When Adria tries to grab it, he'll toss it to Mitchell and in the scuffle, Adria and Daniel will fall over the edge. Everyone will think he died or assume he's gone, and they'll wonder how Adria's disappearance will affect the Ori.

Without Daniel they probably wont be able to use Merlin's weapon, and they'll be right back where they were at the beginning of the Quest minus Daniel plus one useless weapon for Sam to play with. And *poof* Daniel comes back as a Prior.

Mitchell82
September 22nd, 2006, 08:52 PM
I think it was rather mediocre. The emotion didn't seem to be there as in SGA. Dialogue was a bit choppy too. Lots of one liners, not as much meaningful dialogue. Vala also annoyed me in this episode. You're a mother in front of your daughter, quit acting like such at ditz! The whole Vala and riddles thing really made the dialogue seem stupid. The plot wasn't bad though, with Baal getting involved and Daniel getting alot of archeology and Ancienty stuff. I give it a 6/10.

IMO, since the spoilers say that Daniel will become a Prior, Daniel will somehow get the Sangraal after they defeat the dragon. When Adria tries to grab it, he'll toss it to Mitchell and in the scuffle, Adria and Daniel will fall over the edge. Everyone will think he died or assume he's gone, and they'll wonder how Adria's disappearance will affect the Ori.

Without Daniel they probably wont be able to use Merlin's weapon, and they'll be right back where they were at the beginning of the Quest minus Daniel plus one useless weapon for Sam to play with. And *poof* Daniel comes back as a Prior.
Interesting, I didn't see the episode that way, I like all the dialogue acting plot, pretty much everything. Glad you liked it but sorry you didn't really enjoy it.

Mitchell82
September 22nd, 2006, 08:55 PM
I loved the cliffhanger, I thought it outdid last years mid-season cliffhanger. :cameron:
I agree that this had more action, I do think it was better in the action department over the Fourth horsemen but I really enjoyed that too as it was more perilous on a wide planetary scale. I think both cliffhangers were great and I thouroghly enjoyed both but I will agree that this was a great finale.

Hatusu
September 22nd, 2006, 09:02 PM
ALERT! ALERT! Overuse of Village set.

Overall I enjoyed the episode. Finally, the team worked together in a professional manner. The quest and puzzles were interesting. Daniel acted more like his old self. Three things niggled at me:

1) If Arthur could get to another planet, why didn't he have access to technology.

2) Why was Ba'al there? Maybe March will tell.

3) The ending. I laughed out loud. I expected the GIANT ALIENS and Daniel's Grandpa to show up. :daniel: :hammond:

Famous
September 22nd, 2006, 09:03 PM
Really great episode, I loved it start to finish. Kinda had an "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" feel to it. Very cool :cameron:

I loved some of the one liners(all flash and no photo, Assist us or I will squeeze you through these bars:indeed:) and Adria(God she's incredibly hot :p). The part with Daniel and Adria at the end was fantastic, and the dragon was very nice also(wish it had been a bit bigger personally, but it does very well). The only downside is we have to wait 6 months for the conclusion :(

Gate gal
September 22nd, 2006, 09:05 PM
I really enjoyed this episode! I loved the team working together. I've really missed seeing them all on screen at the same time. The maze (to get around the time dialation) was cool. I thought it was a nice combination of Vala's off the cuff remarks and Sam's know how that got them through that portion. Again, Amanda and Claudia did a great job showing friendship even when it wasn't exactly written in (loved that moment at the end of the maze where Vala patted Sam on the back).

I loved that it was Daniel who jumped to Sam's defense when Adria threatened her life. It was nice to see that friendship again. We haven't seen it much since season 8, and I missed it. I loved Teal'c's one word answers getting through the cave. It was just so Teal'c. It only made sense for Daniel's faith to be what got them through the fire. I also really enjoyed the bits after rescuing Ba'al and again after "teaming" with Adria where Sam and Cameron discussed how they could be useful. It was nice to see the two colonels looking at the situation from a strategic view point.

Now, can I just say Adria and Ba'al should team up! They would make an awesome evil duet! I really enjoyed Sam telling them to "get a room."

I don't think I can wait for March, and I know there are way too many stories to tell for this to be the final season. We need more SG1 please!

Maxum
September 22nd, 2006, 09:06 PM
Which puzzle? Can't go back and look right now because I'm taping Numb3rs.

Teal'c figured out that the answer to one of the puzzles was "the wind." Daniel repeated the word in Ancient, and it opened the next door, so to speak. (Sam got them through the force field thing; Mitchell figured out one puzzle, then Teal'c, then Daniel - well, Daniel figured out a few, actually, but he's the linguist.)



Well, I won't make any guarantees, but it might improve on second watch. I admit I watch the episodes the first time with a sense of hesitation -will there be Ori (oh, forgot the essential -I hate the Ori), will the team split up, will they Saran Wrap Daniel and Vala together, will there be lots of ships and things blowing up? Since those things didn't happen (expect a little bit of Ori stuff, bleagh) and I know they didn't, I might be able to enjoy another showing without waiting for the ax to drop. Again, no guarantees.

Ah, you'll love it.



I believe you that it was Sam. But, I think if they wanted to push the D/V, they would have had Daniel have the same reaction. And, I think since he does care about Vala (no shippy interpretation intended in that remark) he would have reacted to her life being threatened like he did with Sam. But, again, I believe it was Sam.

Actually, I was very happy that the writers DIDN'T push the Daniel/Vala thing, and I'm one of the people that wouldn't mind Daniel with Vala. I just don't want the writers to invent an emotional attachment that hasn't really been fleshed out yet. Daniel would be protective of Vala, I have no doubt, but his connection to Vala is nothing compared to his emotional connection to Sam - at least not yet. I was very happy to see some "bond" between Sam and Daniel. There should be one, just as there would be for Daniel and Teal'c or Sam and Teal'c. Know what I mean?

Hubble
September 22nd, 2006, 09:15 PM
I think it was rather mediocre. The emotion didn't seem to be there as in SGA. Dialogue was a bit choppy too. Lots of one liners, not as much meaningful dialogue. Vala also annoyed me in this episode. You're a mother in front of your daughter, quit acting like such at ditz! The whole Vala and riddles thing really made the dialogue seem stupid. The plot wasn't bad though, with Baal getting involved and Daniel getting alot of archeology and Ancienty stuff. I give it a 6/10.

IMO, since the spoilers say that Daniel will become a Prior, Daniel will somehow get the Sangraal after they defeat the dragon. When Adria tries to grab it, he'll toss it to Mitchell and in the scuffle, Adria and Daniel will fall over the edge. Everyone will think he died or assume he's gone, and they'll wonder how Adria's disappearance will affect the Ori.

Without Daniel they probably wont be able to use Merlin's weapon, and they'll be right back where they were at the beginning of the Quest minus Daniel plus one useless weapon for Sam to play with. And *poof* Daniel comes back as a Prior.

I agree with you very mediocre. I thought Vala was ridiculous. With her pigtails and cutsey little girl behavior, she reminded me of Shirley Temple on speed or something. I thought CB was overacting and mugging way too much. Didn't see any reason for Ba'al to be there and his jokes fell flat for me. I pretty knew something was off with the librarian and the Indiana Jones routine was a cheap rip off. Not an episode that I'd watch again.

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
September 22nd, 2006, 09:16 PM
I was wondering how this episode would turn out - it really could have been anything, ranging from terrible to very good. I think it hit the very good mark, for the most part.

Well, I enjoyed it quite a bit! Three stars, gateworld scale.

FerCryinOutLoud!
September 22nd, 2006, 09:22 PM
This episode was great. I wish the Dragon was bigger and more intimidating. Did anyone say, "The penitent man shall pass," to themselves when Daniel and Adria were crossing the land bridge to the San Graal? You know, from Indiana Jones?

Maxum
September 22nd, 2006, 09:29 PM
SG-1 is starting to get really lame. I like the Arthurian mythology okay, but the dragon was just embarrassing to watch. I expected more out of the big finale.

I know we're all entitled to our opinons, but lame? No way. Yeah, the dragon a bit cheesy, but it wasn't the real cliffhanger, as far as I was concerned. It was the mystery of getting through the mazes, the unanswered questions, and exactly how this unholy alliance with Baal and Adria would be resolved by the end of Part 2.

I can forgive a small, cheesy dragon at the end since they sunk the money on big effects into other episodes. This episode was all about the characters, the drama, and well . . . the Quest.

I think what made this episode so good was that Sam, Teal'c, and Daniel really looked great in the way they acted and behaved - and so did Mitchell. I don't care if Vala came off ditzy or goofy or whatever because it doesn't hurt her character one way or the other. It WOULD matter if the rest of the team came off the same way as Vala, but they didn't and they don't.

Tonight's episode showed why SG-1 is as good as they are. It answers the question about why Mitchell was honored to be on this particular SG team. I also liked how Mitchell was more than holding his own.

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it more. One thing that I have learned about this show, from my perspective, is that I don't care so much about an action packed season finale. I just want to really WANT to see the next episode. In that regard, it was very successful. I can't wait. Is it March yet?

It's episodes like tonight that really make the cancellation of SG-1 so much more difficult. I mean, the possibilities for future storylines about the Ori are just so . . . . . there. I'm hating the SciFi channel right now. What would possess MGM to even sign such a stupid contract that they can't air a season 11 on another network?

Okay, I'm getting off topic.

Loved tonight's show.

suse
September 22nd, 2006, 09:45 PM
Meh. Not as bad as i thought it would be. I only spent a few minutes clopping the coconut halves.

I almost had the maze figued out. I thought dirt. Didn't see the rocks. But had the throwing of something right.

Again with the Middle Ages village and the secret room/passage. Sure. ;)

Adria seems to have "grown" into her mother's former clothing taste. Poor baby. I had the old guy pegged for an Ancient. Well, not exactly close...<shrug>

It was nice to see the team together for a bit. I'm sure the addition of Baal - where's the flange? - will come to fruition in part two. Adria also.

Smaug she is guarding his treasure!

I xpected to spend more time Pythoning it. Instead I got to comment on The Hobbit and Indiana Jones (with a dash of Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone)! They are branching out!

Dani, that "Starting with her" comment was definitely aimed at Sam.



I hadn't really been spoiled except by the previews so didn't have a lot of preconceived ideas. While this episode wasn't bad it seemed rather surface-y. It better pay off big in part 2. Not that I hold out much hope.

Overall, I don't think I'll care that it will take Sci-Fi six months to show more new SG-1. As long as it's better the The Fourth Horseman II turned out to be.

Suse
3<yawns>/5

Major Gambit
September 22nd, 2006, 09:45 PM
Holy Crap, teriffic. The Daniel/Adria thing was incredible.


I'll post more stuff tommorow, im kidna tired.

iluvdaniel
September 22nd, 2006, 09:46 PM
I have to admit that tonight's episode was definatly the best of the season. I agree with what everyone has said about the character development and the way the team worked together. I just absolutly loved Daniel in this episode. It just showes the character that I personally fell in love with. He's been a little off this season, but with this episode he's back in full force. :daniel:

All in all i give this episode a 10/10. I can't wait to see the second part of this episode even if we do have to wait until March to see it.

Mitchell82
September 22nd, 2006, 09:49 PM
I really enjoyed this episode! I loved the team working together. I've really missed seeing them all on screen at the same time. The maze (to get around the time dialation) was cool. I thought it was a nice combination of Vala's off the cuff remarks and Sam's know how that got them through that portion. Again, Amanda and Claudia did a great job showing friendship even when it wasn't exactly written in (loved that moment at the end of the maze where Vala patted Sam on the back).

I loved that it was Daniel who jumped to Sam's defense when Adria threatened her life. It was nice to see that friendship again. We haven't seen it much since season 8, and I missed it. I loved Teal'c's one word answers getting through the cave. It was just so Teal'c. It only made sense for Daniel's faith to be what got them through the fire. I also really enjoyed the bits after rescuing Ba'al and again after "teaming" with Adria where Sam and Cameron discussed how they could be useful. It was nice to see the two colonels looking at the situation from a strategic view point.

Now, can I just say Adria and Ba'al should team up! They would make an awesome evil duet! I really enjoyed Sam telling them to "get a room."

I don't think I can wait for March, and I know there are way too many stories to tell for this to be the final season. We need more SG1 please!
I loved this episode and I agree with you on more SG-1. But I thought she threatend Vala?!

Maxum
September 22nd, 2006, 09:52 PM
I loved this episode and I agree with you on more SG-1. But I thought she threatend Vala?!

No, Adria was threatening Sam's life.

Descent
September 22nd, 2006, 09:57 PM
I loved this episode and I agree with you on more SG-1. But I thought she threatend Vala?!

Why would she threaten her own mother, she doesn't want her dead. It was Sam that she threatened.

NotAscended
September 22nd, 2006, 10:13 PM
Now, can I just say Adria and Ba'al should team up! They would make an awesome evil duet! I really enjoyed Sam telling them to "get a room."

What beautiful babies they would make! An attractive and utterly evil Harcesis/Orici hybrid. Now that would be an enemy!

Also, agree that it was Sam that Adria was threatening. Adria definitely wants to "save" her mother by bringing her to Origin, as she states as they are walking through the caves.

Is it wrong that my favorite part is when Sam figures out to throw the rocks to find their way through the maze. Sam's so awesome that she can solve any problem with only a rock!

Argh ... six months until I get to see what the Sangraal actually is!

majorsal
September 22nd, 2006, 10:19 PM
i enjoyed this episode. everyone had a nice part to play. :)

i LOL'd at vala moving past mitchell so fast that she almost knocked him over (while in the cave and just before the fire).

i LOVED smart sam figuring out their first maze.

vala was cute.

i am sooooo appreciating ben's calmer mitchell. :cameron:

the only complaint i've got is mitchell saying 'for crying out loud'. not because it didn't fit or anything, but just that that's a BIG time jackism.

oh, another slightish complaint. why did sam say to baal and adria to get a room? i didn't find their banter flirtish at all, and i'm a huge shipper. :p

i loved the sam-vala bits.

daniel was groovy.

baal is sexy. i don't want to like him (he tortured and murdered jack, over and over), but dang, he's sexy. and more realistic than any other goauld.

i didn't swoon over this ep, but i enjoyed it.

on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being best: 7.25





sally :)

FerCryinOutLoud!
September 22nd, 2006, 10:22 PM
Great episode with real team moments and dare i say real ancients? I thought they were going to be revealed to be Asurans. Nice to see the destroyer of worlds lady again. This episode had a, "Within the Serpent's Grasp," kind of feel to it. Anyway just like the SG-1 episode it was a set up episode which is going to have a great second part i'm sure.

Dani347
September 22nd, 2006, 10:23 PM
oh, another slightish complaint. why did sam say to baal and adria to get a room? i didn't find their banter flirtish at all, and i'm a huge shipper. :p


I've heard people say that when two people are arguing, even if the actual conversation isn't flirty. It goes along with the idea if two people take the time to bicker that much, they're probably hiding some deep attraction.

Or, it's just a thing that some people say when two people won't stop fighting.

rocko3000gt
September 22nd, 2006, 10:27 PM
This is my first time here, and I am here to only voice my utter annoyance at the two episodes aired tonight..... SG-1, and Atlantis......
My thoughts are, how dare they leave it like that when they have cancelled the series and do not intent to air the already completed episodes for another SIX months? WTF is with that? What the hell is MGM/SciFi thinking?
I think new management of both responsible parties is in order...

Racingtime
September 22nd, 2006, 10:27 PM
baal is sexy. i don't want to like him (he tortured and murdered jack, over and over)

Come to think of it...what did the knives look like that he used to torture Jack in S6? Since I couldn't remember what they looked like, those knives were the first thing I thought about when they were in the forcefield and Ba'al said that the knife had personal value and Daniel kind of made a face.

iluvdaniel
September 22nd, 2006, 10:31 PM
Come to think of it...what did the knives look like that he used to torture Jack in S6? Since I couldn't remember what they looked like, those knives were the first thing I thought about when they were in the forcefield and Ba'al said that the knife had personal value and Daniel kind of made a face.


I don't think Ba'al would keep the knives he used on Jack as a "sentimental" keepsake. But it does bring up the question of why would that particular knife be special to Ba'al. Think of it...He didn't want to give it up even to save his own life. Anyone have an idea on this one?

:daniel: :daniel:

majorsal
September 22nd, 2006, 10:32 PM
I can't wait to see the second part of this episode even if we do have to wait until March to see it.

you know, i'm not feeling that 'i can't wait to see the conclusion!'. i enjoyed this ep, though.




sally :)

DEM
September 22nd, 2006, 10:33 PM
I xpected to spend more time Pythoning it. Instead I got to comment on The Hobbit and Indiana Jones (with a dash of Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone)! They are branching out!No Xena?! You're slipping.

The village set needs to be burned. Yesterday.

Team interaction and contribution: Yay. However, I would have liked a bit more of substance from Teal'c and Mitchell. Honestly, there were too many people, I think. (Baal??) The writers tired themselves out, methinks. At about the halfway mark, they seemed to give up and just let Daniel have the remainder of the ep.

Overly-bouncy Vala: Nay. She had good moments, then got to be too much.

Not bad, I guess, but it didn't necessarily feel like scifi... more like fantasy with machine guns.

DEM
September 22nd, 2006, 10:35 PM
the only complaint i've got is mitchell saying 'for crying out loud'. not because it didn't fit or anything, but just that that's a BIG time jackism.
:lol: I kid you not, as soon as he said that, I thought of you, majorsal. :D

NotAscended
September 22nd, 2006, 10:35 PM
Come to think of it...what did the knives look like that he used to torture Jack in S6? Since I couldn't remember what they looked like, those knives were the first thing I thought about when they were in the forcefield and Ba'al said that the knife had personal value and Daniel kind of made a face.

Good catch! Now that I think of it, that knife does look like the ones I remember him using on Jack. Hopefully someone with the DVDs will double-check.

majorsal
September 22nd, 2006, 10:36 PM
Come to think of it...what did the knives look like that he used to torture Jack in S6? Since I couldn't remember what they looked like, those knives were the first thing I thought about when they were in the forcefield and Ba'al said that the knife had personal value and Daniel kind of made a face.

i don't know; i could only make it through 'abyss' once. :(





sally :)

Mitchell82
September 22nd, 2006, 10:39 PM
This is my first time here, and I am here to only voice my utter annoyance at the two episodes aired tonight..... SG-1, and Atlantis......
My thoughts are, how dare they leave it like that when they have cancelled the series and do not intent to air the already completed episodes for another SIX months? WTF is with that? What the hell is MGM/SciFi thinking?
I think new management of both responsible parties is in order...
While i hate it as well I can tell you what they were thinking. They want to air year long orriginal programming. BSG costs more and takes longer to make so they have decided to air all 20 in succession, as to SG the last few are just now being filmed so there is still post production that has to be done and their plan is to do the same with Atalntis air 20 eps pretty close to back to back. It has nothing to do with SG-1 soley. It still sucks but could be better in the long run. This was a great ep and i can't wait for part 2.

Mitchell82
September 22nd, 2006, 10:40 PM
Why would she threaten her own mother, she doesn't want her dead. It was Sam that she threatened.
Good point.

suse
September 22nd, 2006, 10:47 PM
you know, i'm not feeling that 'i can't wait to see the conclusion!'. i enjoyed this ep, though.

sally :)

Ditto Sally. I've seen worse - pick almost any this season or last - but I don't have the urge to cry in my beer that the conclusion is 6 months away.

Suse

Racingtime
September 22nd, 2006, 10:47 PM
Overly-bouncy Vala: Nay. She had good moments, then got to be too much.

I'm not the biggest Vala fan but tonight I mostly really liked her especially since we got a lot more interaction between her and the other three besides Daniel. They were small things...patting Sam's shoulder after the maze/resting her head on Sam, calling Teal'c "Muscles", and holding onto Mitchell's jacket and to me all those things combined felt like a breath of fresh air to see her actually getting along and interacting with the others.

But I did still have a bit of a problem. On one hand I smiled at her wanting to help with the riddles but on the other hand I did get a bit annoyed at seeing her rush off in the wrong direction despite not knowing for sure if she was understanding it right. Daniel had to physically grab her to stop her and who knows what that other way could've led to.

I'm also not always sure what the writers want me to think of her personality. Because while we saw plenty of moments tonight of her acting as one of the team, we also saw her very adamant (seemingly to Daniel and Sam's annoyance) about stealing the map as well as having her side more with the bad guys in regards to that little kid rather than trusting that her team (and esp. Daniel) was getting it right. Overall though, I liked a lot more than I didn't and as I said, this is the first episode that I actually did like Vala for the most part.

Congerking
September 22nd, 2006, 11:17 PM
my three most hated words: TO BE CONTINUED.

tsaxlady
September 22nd, 2006, 11:21 PM
ALERT! ALERT! Overuse of Village set.

Overall I enjoyed the episode. Finally, the team worked together in a professional manner. The quest and puzzles were interesting. Daniel acted more like his old self. Three things niggled at me:

1) If Arthur could get to another planet, why didn't he have access to technology.

2) Why was Ba'al there? Maybe March will tell.

3) The ending. I laughed out loud. I expected the GIANT ALIENS and Daniel's Grandpa to show up. :daniel: :hammond:




ALERT! ALERT! Overuse of Village set.

I so agree with that statement Hats.

I had friends over tonight to watch Stargate and as soon as they entered the chamber at the end we all yelled out Crystal Skull.

I did like seeing the team together tonight.

Seastallion
September 22nd, 2006, 11:37 PM
Great episode..! :)

The worst part? It was a cliffhanger... I hate those..! :(

Adria is really taking a shine to Daniel isn't she? :p Like mother, like daughter, I guess... I think she may want to convert Daniel as much as she wants Vala. Having a former ascended (she knows! Not THAT suprising...) become a follower of Origin would be a big coup for her side. (*spoilers alert*) Hell, of all the billions of people in the galaxy, Vala and Daniel may be the extremely rare few the Ori MIGHT be willing to actually consider ascending. One big happy Ori family... (reminds me of that movie "Lost Boys") :p

I agree with everyone else though... great Indiana Jones vibes. :)

SciFiGeek
September 22nd, 2006, 11:42 PM
Woo! That's the Stargate I know and love! What an awesome episode. In a half-season with a lot of ups and downs (more ups than downs) this was such a great way to end things at the halfway mark. I can't remember the last time I've been so excited to the see the conclusion to an SG1 cliffhanger (and that's saying something).

How cool an idea to bring everything together, particularly in regards to having Ba'al, and ultimately (surprise, surprise) Adria along from the trip--I loved Mitchell and Carter's justifications for it. And though sometimes I think it's good to let an episode start a little bit down, I did appreciate that this one didn't take it's time. It just picked things right up from the first thing and didn't let them go (and I did hee at Daniel's "I'm just looking for Merlin's ancient weapon to save the galaxy--you?" line).

Ooo, and all the little hints from Adria towards something involving Daniel...*sigh* is just making this six month wait all the more painful. Though I was keenly interested in the conversations between Daniel and "Oric" from the start (since I was spoiled and knew the truth about who he was) and loved to see the way they progressed throughout the episodes; there's an interesting dynamic going on there (culminating in that truly awesome confrontation over the "sangraal")--I am very eager to see exactly where it leads into second half of the season.

Only negative--what a lousy cliffhanger. And not in a good way. I mean, a dragon? With all the potential they have for ending things on such a horrible note that just entices, requires the audience to return for the second half, the best they could do was...a dragon? Unfortunately, I saw it coming about two minutes beforehand (what with the earlier mentions and all) and was a little let down. I haven't felt this disappointed by the actual cliffhanger for a show since the season finale of Supernatural. ("Well, for starters, my name isn't really John Winchester." *crash*)

Despite that, I loved this episode...which is just going to make the six month wait all the more painful. Please, oh please, SciFi--reconsider and let us have our show back in January. Please? :(

MediaSavant
September 22nd, 2006, 11:46 PM
This was a pretty lame episode. It was everything I that made me ambivelent about SG-1 all these years: interchangable characters, lowest common denominator intelligence level, acquiring ideas from other sources, and one of the blandest cliffhangers I"ve ever seen in a major scifi show.

I didn't feel any energy from the principles and I couldn't get worked up.

Racingtime
September 22nd, 2006, 11:49 PM
Good catch! Now that I think of it, that knife does look like the ones I remember him using on Jack. Hopefully someone with the DVDs will double-check.

Having looked at some screencaps, I don't think the knives were exactly the same (the handles I think are different colors) but I just saw a good number of livejournals where fans have also thought of Abyss. So either TPTB are completely oblivious to the connections some fans might make to past Ba'al episodes or else they put it in on purpose to make fans remember Ba'al's bad side. Knowing them it really could be either way.

Oreo
September 22nd, 2006, 11:53 PM
I thought it was so bad I didn't watch the ending. The whole thing felt rushed and that it was moving to slow as odd as that sounds. The whole maze thing is so lame and so long. Terrible. If I change the channel then there is something wrong.

So how did it end? Did Daniel become an Ori that they have been "forshadowing" for a few episodes?

Dromag67
September 23rd, 2006, 12:07 AM
I thought it was so bad I didn't watch the ending. The whole thing felt rushed and that it was moving to slow as odd as that sounds. The whole maze thing is so lame and so long. Terrible. If I change the channel then there is something wrong.

So how did it end? Did Daniel become an Ori that they have been "forshadowing" for a few episodes?


You might want to slap spoiler tags on that last part, because not everyone is into spoilers around here.

And nothing of the sort happened like that.

Some people like space battles and gun blazing fights, and others like team interaction and mythology.

coolove
September 23rd, 2006, 12:21 AM
Not a bad episode. There was a little bit of Indiana Jones vibe there. Towards the end, I half expected Daniel to throw Adria over that edge.

nyxlily
September 23rd, 2006, 12:44 AM
The people who like this episode pretty much voiced why I like it, so I won't go repeating the various reasons.

A few items I do want to point out:

-I was glad that there was a reason, any reason, why Vala had the dream that solved the 1st riddle, rather than it coming out of nowhere.

-What was the riddle Adria solved? She said the ancient word for the answer, but did anyone said what the english equivilant was?

-I thought Sam's reaction to seeing Ba'al was a little too mild. With after what he did to her in 'Insiders' I thought he deserved at least a punch in the face. But then, that whole episode seemed to have been written exclusively to give a semblance of an acceptable reason of why/how Ba'al ended up on that planet and everything else that went on in that episode was essentially 'reset'.

-I don't think Daniel not being able to grab the Saangra had to do with his 'truth of spirit'. We knew that they'd face a Dragon at the end, and if he (or anyone else, for that matter) was able to just grab it and go, then what was the use of the Dragon? Also the aol clip showed that the -real- treasure was the Ancient's 'Library of Knowledge'.I'm convinced the hologram was just that, a hologram.

-Mitchell was WAY more watchable this season than last. And whoever said the writers had found the character's center was right on the money. They were finally writing Mitchell consistently and with a lot more seriousness.

I think this is it. I'm sure I'll find more to write about on second watching.

badblu
September 23rd, 2006, 01:03 AM
this episode was a great one

it makes me sad that this time next year sg1 will be gone

nyxlily
September 23rd, 2006, 01:44 AM
Just one more thing to add, actually:

WHY oh why did Vala pack a hair dryer on this mission? Did she actually expect to find an outlet that's compatible to US standards to plug it into off-world? I couldn't even plut my electronics in a hop away from this continent!

Admiral Mappalazarou
September 23rd, 2006, 02:00 AM
I loved this ep, and love it when Daniel gets all passionate against someone (just like in The Pegasus Project) and in this case, it was Adria - ha! No Ori Powers! She looked hot though in this ep...;)

SG-1 vs The Dragon? Talk about playing it over the top, nah just kiddin - it should be great! I lmao when Vala came running into Daniel's office in the beginning and just figured everything out all of a sudden...

silence
September 23rd, 2006, 03:07 AM
great ep, can't wait for second part.

i didn't read spoilers about Adria being that guy, but i noticed her name in intro and since she didnt showed up till they went out of village, i guessed that might be her (and after she quoeted Origin i was sure)... but nice trick anyway.

i liked Vala here, but i am really interesting in what's really going on with Daniel, Adria is showing so much interest in him (i read spoilers for "Shroud") cause he was ascended only or maybe there are some things they (Ori) need from him?
This Daniel part in S10 is becoming nice and intersting story arc... and i still remember repliCarter saying that Daniel doesnt even know what's inside his head... damn...

overall... VERY good ep.... can't wait to see second part...

(yeah, the dragon ending was a bit corny, but expected)

AutumnDream
September 23rd, 2006, 03:37 AM
Good episode. But gawd... I don't think I've seen anything as bad as that ending. Geez. The original Star Trek had less cheese in its entirety than the end of that scene.

Bandrews
September 23rd, 2006, 05:52 AM
This certainly is an interesting thread, albeit incredibly repetative - makes for a change from what I'm used to though. I'll leave out anything that I feel has been noted adaquetly earlier in the thread, so as not to participate in this tradition :)

I'm having some difficulty putting this into words, so bear with me.

I found that Adria appeared to be only a shell of her former self in this episode, and her inability to use her powers wasn't the only cause. In the episode, Adria's eyes were black the entire time and nobody noticed. The device she used to disguise herself would not have required contact lenses or the like to fake eye colour, as it had no difficulty in faking everything else without assistance, so what was the cause? The conclusion I can make is that Morgan's protections caused her eyes to change colour, signifying her weakened state. If this conclusion is true, I'm left asking myself why nobody noticed. It makes no sense to me, did anyone else notice this? I had to watch the episode in question second hand this week, but I find it highly unlikely that anybody would edit the colour of her eyes so well in so many different scenes. I don't know why it's so important, but her performance felt empty without the eyes that seperate her from normal humans.

The second problem I had with the episode was the lack of involvement that the majority of the cast played in the storyline. Adria's lack of intimidation aside, while each character did get a short period of time to shine in, it felt strained to me. Vala was obviously waiting for Teal'c to say Wind, it was fairly obvious and all.

Overall the episode did have an interesting plot, and it was driven fairly well by Michael Shanks, I just don't think it stands up to the quality of previous episodes. It felt strained :\

Regarding previous comments about Ben's performance, I'm not sure I understand where those people are coming from. While I don't particularly dislike his performance, I have never found Ben's acting to be completely believable. To me, facial expression and eyes are incredibly important, and I find his to be incredibly lackluster. He's usually squinting, or has some sort of forced concentrating or blank expression on his face. I'm curious to know which areas you believe he's improved in - he's not horrible, he's just no where near the level of the others (Amanda Tapping for example). :\

SierraGulf1
September 23rd, 2006, 06:12 AM
Actually, they did point out her eyes, prompting a quick Goa'uld-esque-but-not-exactly flash of yellow eyes from Adria.

RealmOfX
September 23rd, 2006, 06:26 AM
It's a toss up between mediocre and bland - I think I'll go with bland, yep that just about sums it up.

The good things :

the whole team was together and contributed something


The bad things :

The good things list is very short
Rather pathetic looking dragon


The so so things :

I got bored
Vala annoys me, maybe they could try writing her as someone who acts like they actually should belong on an SG team.
Mitchell DUH!! Stealing Jackisms now? Oh and it's not good form to leave your pack behind (and I hope he didn't hurt himself with his gun).
Teal'c didn't get to do hardly anything.
Ba'al didn't get to do hardly anything, oh yeah he was there for later on because he knows the dragon's name.
Lotsa people just hanging around, so I sure hope they actually get to do stuff in part two.


You know what's the worst part? It's a cliffhanger AND I DON'T CARE!

DEM
September 23rd, 2006, 06:30 AM
WHY oh why did Vala pack a hair dryer on this mission?Yeah, see, that's the kind of OTT gag that grated. I'd enjoy her for a few minutes and then BAM! Stooges.

shockwave
September 23rd, 2006, 06:41 AM
great ep, nice team feel

by why would vala have an electric hair dryer with her, that was OTT

might have been cool to see with the people in the time dialation field a few jaffa, and maybe even another baal

SoylentGreen
September 23rd, 2006, 06:52 AM
i thought it was pretty fun episode but it was a strange sg-1 episode i thought it went too far a way from sci-fi

and was i the only one that when they showed the mountain "the lone mountain" thought WHATY? The LONELY mountain?! from the hobbit? they showed the mountain at the distance and before he even said anything i thought about that and then he said the name.

the dragon was cheesy, it seems like the CGI department can do amazing space, spaceships, and real enviroments but fauna doesn't work too well. remember the monster from "unvitated"? that look too funny and the dragon was kind of blah.

i did notice that the cave set looked kind of cheap for some reason maybe i was tired.

for some reason it didn't set too well for me having Ba'al and Adria being part of the party on the quest. i thought about fantasy books/whatever that have members there that are distrusted.

oh dragonlance.

oh Teal'c you were so awesome i can barely hear you now.
Adria was a little to whinny for me, i liked that she had a hint of being a very ominous (sp?) character but i can tell from now what her personality is going to be like.

i'm glad that doctor who is going to wash away the bad flavour from the wait until march, the cancellation and this season's really bad episodes.

Maxum
September 23rd, 2006, 07:07 AM
Great episode..! :)
Adria is really taking a shine to Daniel isn't she? :p Like mother, like daughter, I guess... I think she may want to convert Daniel as much as she wants Vala. Having a former ascended (she knows! Not THAT suprising...) become a follower of Origin would be a big coup for her side.

I think converting Daniel is very much on Adria's mind. Daniel is both human and Ancient. The Ori are trying to convert worlds to their religion, and SG-1 and earth are trying to throw a monkey wrench into their plans every chance they get. If the Ori can sway Daniel, they not only corrupt a former Ancient, but they also may be able to lure other humans - not to mention Adria's mother.

One poster mentioned that the second half of the episode seemed to center on Daniel, but I disagree. Parts centered on the Ori/Ancient angle of the storyline. I feel that Adria's greatest opponent is Daniel because he KNOWS exactly how Ancients think and respond to some degree. She can't snow him with fabricated lies or misinformation they way she can with others. Daniel can look her right in the eye and call her a liar, and she can't refute it because he DOES know. It makes for great animosity, drama, and tension.

I enjoyed last night's episode partly because there are breadcrumbs being dropped by the writers regarding the Daniel/Adria/Ori/Ancient/human angle. I always felt it was stupid that the writers never seemed to pursue stories about Daniel being a former Ascended being. I mean that's HUGE. They are the gatebuilders, afterall.

The Quest was very good because the entire cast was utilized well, and we're also getting little hints of things to come. THAT'S what makes a good cliffhanger.

iluvdaniel
September 23rd, 2006, 07:09 AM
The whole Ba'al and Adria being there didn't bother me at all. Adria is there purly because she wants to get the weapon in order to distroy it. She knows that she cannot do it on her own, so she is doing the normal "bad guy" thing and using SG-1 to get it for her. I'm just wondering if she knew she wouldn't be able to use any of her powers, and where can't she use them. She did use her strength to help to "save the child". But it wasn't untill they were in the fire chamber (right outside the dragon chamber) that we first get a glimps of her not being able to use any of her powers.


As for the reason for Ba'al being there, I believe there is a reason and that it will be revealed in part 2.


:) :daniel:

GottaLoveDaniel
September 23rd, 2006, 07:36 AM
I just have to say I loved this episode and agree with all the good things everyone is saying. Can't wait to see the second part (even we do have to wait till March).

MediaSavant
September 23rd, 2006, 07:41 AM
It was shockingly "blah" for something that was supposed to leave us in anticipation for the next part.

The dialogue was stilted. I didn't get any energy from the regular characters. The challenges were un-interesting.

I don't see why everyone likes the "team feel", whatever that is. I felt the presence of all five, plus Baal and Adria, at the same time made the "quest" cluttered. Riddles and quizzes are a lot easier with seven people available to guess the answer rather than just a few. Try playing Trivial Pursuit with seven team members as opposed to one or two and see what I mean.

I felt no tension at the end. The dragon didn't scare me at all. After all, we saw that the fire threat was imaginary, why shouldn't this be too? I don't feel for a second that anyone is in any real danger.

If the was "tradional SG-1" than it explains why SG-1 has never been at the top of my "Must watch" list. Extremely mediocre TV.

Alipeeps
September 23rd, 2006, 08:11 AM
Does anybody else think they would have found half of that quest a lot easier if they'd taken the time to sit and watch Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade first?

I totally called every single solution to every obstacle and by the end I was waiting for the dragon to arrive accompanies by a large rolling ball to chase them back down the tunnell... :D

irish05
September 23rd, 2006, 08:19 AM
After reading this thread, it's clear some people are just never satisfied. GREAT EPISODE!!!

Maxum
September 23rd, 2006, 08:21 AM
It was shockingly "blah" for something that was supposed to leave us in anticipation for the next part.

The dialogue was stilted. I didn't get any energy from the regular characters. The challenges were un-interesting.

I don't see why everyone likes the "team feel", whatever that is. I felt the presence of all five, plus Baal and Adria, at the same time made the "quest" cluttered. Riddles and quizzes are a lot easier with seven people available to guess the answer rather than just a few. Try playing Trivial Pursuit with seven team members as opposed to one or two and see what I mean.

I felt no tension at the end. The dragon didn't scare me at all. After all, we saw that the fire threat was imaginary, why shouldn't this be too? I don't feel for a second that anyone is in any real danger.

If the was "tradional SG-1" than it explains why SG-1 has never been at the top of my "Must watch" list. Extremely mediocre TV.

MediaSavant, sorry you didn't like it. It doesn't sound like SG-1 is your cup of tea. Your opinions are the polar opposite of mine. What you found mediocre, I found intriguing. What you found lacked "team feel," I felt it was brimming with team interaction. I don't really think about the best way for puzzles to be figured out - with two or ten or twelve or three.

As for the ending, I didn't feel tension either, but I didn't need to feel tension. I needed to feel anticipation - for the next episode, and I did. For me, SG-1 is extreme "Must watch" tv. The blah I feel is for Atlantis and BSG. I just can't seem to get very involved in those shows. Atlantis has a better shot over BSG.

Eh. To each his own.

nell
September 23rd, 2006, 08:32 AM
"If you don't help, I'll shove YOU through the bars."

HAHAHAHAHAAHAAH!!!!
Yes, Teal'c was way cool with his pointed remark!

keshou
September 23rd, 2006, 09:28 AM
I thought Quest Pt 1 was okay - certainly better than S9's mid-season ender "Fourth Horseman Part I". It kind of plodded along in parts but I sort of enjoyed watching it, in spite of my ambivalence about the Arthurian trappings and the Ori in general.

The enjoyable:

* The team being together more and the interactions between all the various characters. They didn't stick to the usual pairings we've seen in the first half of S10 and I thought it worked pretty well. I thought everyone had a nice part to play. Teal'c was a little underused (as usual) although he got to solve a riddle. Wind! Go Teal'c. :tealc:

*The time distortion field and the team playing "follow the leader" as Sam got them thru the field. All the people frozen in place were kind of cool

* Ba'al joining the quest. He's still the coolest Goa'uld. Although I miss the flanged voice and the glowy eyes. It's almost like Ba'al has been neutered a little bit......dare I say Ba'al has lost his balls? :P

* Daniel back to being the Daniel I like. (A welcome relief after last week's episode.) The face-off between Daniel and Adria at the end was good and Daniel doing what he does best throughout the episode was fun to see.

* Some of the moments were silly/funny. Sam cracking "why don't you get a room" at Adria/Ba'al. Vala reluctantly putting her hairdryer in the chest (although why she brings a hairdryer is beyond me). Ba'al cooly stepping aside when the team pointed their guns at old man/Adria.


The mediocre:

* Hatusu said it best.:) *Warning* overuse of the village set :cool: And I wanted the Giant Aliens to show up when they stumbled back into Crystal Skull there at the end. Disappointed that we only got the flying lizard.

* Adria's outfit.....egads did she raid Joan Collin's Dynasty wardrobe? Of course those shoulder pads could double as glider wings should the team fall off into the Cystal Skull abyss in the next episode. So maybe that's the plan. ;)

* You know it was a shame Jack was over on Atlantis (where he seemed stiff and out of place) because his wry comments would have been welcome on this Quest. Maybe one too many bodies in the cave but it would have been fun to have him along.

*Lack of drama and intensity. Was anyone worried about anyone anywhere in this episode? I wasn't. Maybe a slight wibble when Daniel started to walk into the fire but that was a brief moment. The cliffhanger itself wasn't exciting enough to have me anticipating Part II of the episode. BTW, Vala's antics may be annoying at times but at least she brings some welcome energy to the proceedings. Although it's hard for me to believe this Vala is the same Vala we met in Prometheus Unbound. She's become "bouncy comic-relief gal".


Reading back over my list it sounds like I disliked more than I liked but I thought Quest Pt 1 was better than the S8 and S9 mid-season cliffhangers. The dragon was totally cheesy though.

Rating: 6.5 out of 10

My favorite episode of the first half is still Pegasus Project. Although I'm admittedly a big fan of Brad Wright's writing.

MasterPower
September 23rd, 2006, 09:38 AM
This was an all around great episode. But I found one flaw...

"You're eyes are different."

I remember Mitchell saying that to Adria when she first appeared. How does he know about her eyes? Only Daniel and Vala were with Adria that episode a few weeks back when they were on the Ori ship. That just caught my attention.

chazevelt
September 23rd, 2006, 10:12 AM
MediaSavant, sorry you didn't like it. It doesn't sound like SG-1 is your cup of tea. Your opinions are the polar opposite of mine. What you found mediocre, I found intriguing. What you found lacked "team feel," I felt it was brimming with team interaction. I don't really think about the best way for puzzles to be figured out - with two or ten or twelve or three.

As for the ending, I didn't feel tension either, but I didn't need to feel tension. I needed to feel anticipation - for the next episode, and I did. For me, SG-1 is extreme "Must watch" tv. The blah I feel is for Atlantis and BSG. I just can't seem to get very involved in those shows. Atlantis has a better shot over BSG.

Eh. To each his own.

Very well put. To each his/her own, but I'm with you on this one. SG1 just [U]is[U][I]and for that I'm grateful. This episode, while wonderful for me, leaned a bit too far into fantasy for my liking... but it's SG1 and where they lead, I will follow.
The maze of frozen people- like Sam said, they were actually moving, just a lot slower, so it didn't faze me when I saw a movement. For them most part I was pleasantly surprised at just how still they managed to remain for their camera shots. (Did anyone else get the idea that the writers were trying to keep a step ahead of this forum with Vala/Sam's explanation about the leaves moving? teehee moment)
What I didn't buy was the 'no way back' theory of Sam's. 6 people- most of them wearing combat boots- had just shuffled along in the same path through sand; a blind person in bare feet could have retraced that path back through the 'maze'. But oh well. Sam's idea of throwing the rocks was cool- my first instinct (A Jackism) was to fire bullets to find the field. The rock idea was definately better, but had Jack been there... hmmm.
I loved the hair dryer in Vala's pack. Please don't try to reason it out- I thot it was quite Valaesque.
I do wish they had taken Baal's powerbar instead of his knife- oh, take the knife away from him for sure- but only give him two bites and let him be hungry!
I think part of Adria's coming across as whiny was the fact that she didn't have her powers in the cave and it took away some of her cockiness. Vulnerability is not something she is accustomed to feeling. I can only assume that Daniel didn't trip her into the bottomless pit out of consideration for Vala. Hope he does in part two, tho... or one of them does.
I wanna know if this is the real Baal, or another of his clones...
And in the beginning, at the village, when the prior ordered the contents of the library burned- why didn't he 'poof' the pile into flames instead of having them dump something on it and lighting it the old-fashioned way? Wouldn't a display of his powers carry more weight with the villagers?

o-0
September 23rd, 2006, 10:32 AM
i laughed, i cried, i laughed so much i cried
this episode made me proud of stargate sg-1 like i used to be in the past
the characters from the past episodes got back into their character (except teal'c since he's accustomed to human behavior and doesnt raise his eyebrows anymore, nor say "i die free")
i like the episodes where the characters show some emotion other than wity and calm, but this episode still sufficed
i give it a 9.9/10

ShardsofGlass
September 23rd, 2006, 10:55 AM
I thought this was meh. I liked the idea of the riddles and puzzles a lot but there wasn't much suspense or a sense of urgency or danger at all. I found the actress who played Adria to not be very good, and I was wincing when she had a lot of exposition. I thought Vala was annoying and OTT. Every time she did something that others thought was funny, I felt like she was trying to upstage the rest of the cast, and just like last week, her humor didn't fit into the tone of the ep. A hairdryer? The woman who was a successful thief and has planet hopped all over the galaxy would really think that she should bring a hair dryer? Give me a break.

The rest of the team were fine but kind of blah, and as a Mitchell fan, I was annoyed that he didn't have much of a role to play other than one of the crowd. Though I did enjoy that he was the one to run after the kid before anyone else could.

Speaking of crowd, what was the point of Baal being there? Gosh, I can't stand his character, and I have no idea why the writers keep bringing him back. He just distracts from the main point of the ep and he's not a threat AT ALL. He's just boring.

And why did we have to have 7 people all running around together. It was so crowded and it didn't give anyone except Daniel a chance to do anything interesting.

But despite all that, this ep was, for me, a lot better than last year's mid-season cliffhanger.

full.infinity
September 23rd, 2006, 11:00 AM
So, am I crazy? Did my eyes deceive me? Or, was the team actually together for the episode?
Yes. For the first and third, specifically. ;)

When Adria said she'd start killing members of the team, starting with "her" was she talking about Sam? I couldn't tell who she was gesturing to, but she seems to want to protect Vala.
She seems to have been gesturing to Sam to me.


Ba'al! Your poor voice! Why have they robbed you of the flang? (Yes, I know the flang has been gone for a long time. I still miss it) And, exactly what was his purpose in this episode? To tag along, and get a "get a room" snark? Pointless. You don't just stick Ba'al in an episode.
My guess is that he's going to have a lot more reason to be there in the second half.


When they went through the passage after killing the Ori soldiers, what did the old lady say to Mitchell right before he went through? And, when they were going through the cave(?) working the puzzles, was Daniel saying the Ancient translations of the words that the others were saying as passwords?
She said she'd blame it all on him.(Sounds like a lot of people on the forum :P)
And yes, Daniel was saying the Ancient translations of the words.


Didn't give Teal'c much of anything to do.


I might have missed something, but the beginning when Daniel was trying to find the address, Mitchell and Teal'c seemed off. Like they were trying to get away so they wouldn't have to hear him go on. Which I know some people might have that reaction (fools!) but it seems to be a long way from Mitchell eagerly listening to his briefings or Teal'c patiently working with Daniel in Morpheus. I didn't see the whole scene, so I could be wrong with what they were doing. Struck me off the same way Daniel's reaction to Sam tecnobabbling in Ripple Effect did.
They were hungry, I tend to be a lot less interested when I'm hungry too :P


They'll find a way to ditch them.;)
You're assuming SG-1 will get the Sangraal ;)

Mask scene?

I got a chance to see the very start, and Teal'c did ask how his search was coming. But, where did Mitchell say he and Teal'c were going? I've listened 3 times, and can't make it out.
For Szechwan(except that I forget how that was spelled).

B) Let's wait for Part 2 - don't forget, he supposedly knows the name of the guardian (dragon);
There's a good chance he was lying, considering that he's Ba'al ;)

ALERT! ALERT! Overuse of Village set.
Indeed. When I saw them walking I thought "I could have sworn they've been there before!"

I almost had the maze figued out. I thought dirt. Didn't see the rocks. But had the throwing of something right.
I thought P90. It's not like the bullets are going to connect with the failed adventurers before Duke Nukem Forever is released. Although that would be wasteful.

gatebuster64
September 23rd, 2006, 11:18 AM
overall its a good episode, but it does make me wonder, does Adria really know how malicious the Ori are, because she said something like you can't have faith in something if the faith is forced on you yet she turns around and like a hypocrit, the vala and the riddle scene reminded me of season 9 Vala, also someone asked why the prior himself didn't burn the books, Morgan's disruption field could cover a majority of the planet and the reson Adria could lift the bars is because of her necklace

Dani347
September 23rd, 2006, 11:39 AM
Okay, I'll say right up front that I don't know how they could have done it, but I think storywise it would have been better for Ba'al to turn up at the end. That is, if he really has a purpose in the second part. Having a tetriary character take up space in one episode, just because they're going to be significant in another isn't the best way to tell a story.

Now, I felt Adria had something to do, a reason to be there. (Yes, if this were real, Ba'al would have a reason, but from a writing pov? Don't think so) She was the deception, and then the battle of wills at the end between her and Daniel. Plus, the idea of her goal being totally different from SG1 and them working together was interesting.

And, just speaking for myself, I would trade in complex puzzles for seeing the team work together on them.

GottaLoveDaniel
September 23rd, 2006, 12:05 PM
Daniel said while they were on the pedistal that Adria's necklace was for defensive purposes only. How would her being able to lift the gate be "defensive"? That's why I'm thinking that the closer she got to the final chamber the more she couldn't use her powers. Or is it that she can't use all of her powers for example telachenisis (ok I can't spell this), but she does still have her strength.

gatebuster64
September 23rd, 2006, 12:09 PM
or Adria could have lifted the bars because she takes steroids

ShardsofGlass
September 23rd, 2006, 12:46 PM
I didn't think Adria used her powers to open the gate. I thought that she was simply the last person to lend a hand and that the gate "needed" all of them to participate to fulfill that partcular part of the quest.

Mitchell82
September 23rd, 2006, 01:15 PM
This was an excellent episode and I just can't see the problems some are pointing out. This was great in every sense but everyone dosent like the same thing. Oh well at least I thought it was great.

DaDigi
September 23rd, 2006, 01:47 PM
This episode, reminded me of Crystal Skull at the end. The large, wide, big, open cave with the small narrow passage to the middle of it. Then, in the middle, they had a little console with something on it.

Anyone else thinking the same thing?

Oddly enough, Atlantis 3x10 seemed alot like TBFTFOG...

golfbooy
September 23rd, 2006, 01:47 PM
Okay, I've watched The Quest. This brings us to today's alliterative descriptors: pedestrian, prosaic, (and for golfbooy) par. How spectacularly unspectacular. See, this is where having watched the show for ten years really comes back to bite me in the ass. I expect SG-1 to only do two-part episodes when there's something interesting or significant to be done with the characters and story. I expect the characters to get frazzled, to be put in unexpected and extreme situations, to see tension on screen and to feel the frustration of knowing that I'll have to wait to see what happens next. You know, things like watching Apophis show up in Jolinar's Memories or watching the team pull off the coolest of escapes in Nemesis or having the story cut off as Fifth mercilessly tortures Carter in New Order. However, this is New Stargate, where none of those things happen. No, The Quest was wholly unexciting and bland. I'd say I was disappointed, but that would be a lie. I've grown to expect very, very little from a Joe Mallozzi script. And this one was no exception. Every character performed their stereotypical function, nothing more. The dialogue was as sharp as a wooden spoon; you can get whacked repeatedly with it, but it just don't cut. And I'm not sure I've ever been more embarrassed for SG-1 than when that dragon hovered there, flapping it's wings, full of sound and fury and nothing.

For all of that, there is praise to be had for The Quest. Honestly, this episode would be truly dreadful if it weren't for the persistent efforts of the cast. It was the little, unscripted interactions between the characters that made The Quest watchable. And I suppose I'll talk more about that in detail further along. But the plotting for this episode must have taken about fifteen minutes to come up with. I'm always leery when a writer likens an upcoming episode to some other fictional work. The description of Bablyon as Last Samuri-like turned out to be disturbingly spot on, and Joe's proclamation that here SG-1 would be doing Dungeons and Dragons struck the same sour note in my admitedly tone-deaf ear. The total reliance on the most overplayed and cliched legends in the Western world has become even more insipid than it was in season nine. Arthurian legends are no basis for the continuing major plotline on SG-1. Enough already.

Yes, enough. Enough with the village set. Enough with the cave set. Enough with the bar set. Between SG-1 and Atlantis these settings have been used so often that there are no new angles or shots to be found by the directors. So many episodes are left having that unoriginal, been-there feeling because every single week the audience has to look at the same locale. For me, it's certainly become a case of familiarity breeding contempt. And costume could step up to the plate with a little more gumption, too. Hooded cloaks were sooo last season. Adria's sexy(?) battle armor was horrendously cheesy. And those Ori "knights" really do give the Jaffa armor a haute couture feeling, don't they?

Also, the wry sophistication that used to inhabit the show's humor has again been forsaken for over-the-top hijinks and antics. The Quest boasted a bevy of bad jokes and bloopers, all costing the episode that serious undertone that past cliffhangers used to such great effect. To a list already highlighted with God-awful Dr. Phil and Shih Tzu gags we can now add Vala's (humorous? Really?) wake-up scene and her blow dryer bit. When capped off with lines even the actors must have resented, such as "That's quitter talk," The Quest comes across far too evenly played between comedy and drama. Poor Ben Browder; it's beyond anyone to make the never ending string of one liners dialogue they give him sound classy or pertinent.

For me, the only saving grace for this episode was the characters. I do so enjoy watching the team work together that I'm willing to forgo most shortcomings. And despite what I've said above, the episode "played" better than it had any right to. Carter, Teal'c, Daniel, and O'neill have always infused the show with a certain charm and unique feeling when they get a chance to work together. I did get a little bit of that here, and it's return was most welcome. But I hate that seeing the team work together like this has to be the initial springboard for an episode before it actually happens. And it's appalling that not until episode ten does something like this occur. I do understand why it's unusual, though. It's obvious that the five man team is cumbersome and clunky for the writing team to manage. The writers do need to cut the fat, because there was no real development for any character in The Quest, and that makes the whole thing feel like filler. It just contributes to the episode's general sense of dispassion.

That said, each character was given some individual moments in The Quest, Daniel and Sam most especially. Thankfully this week saw the return of Dr. Jackson. In his element among the lore and ancient puzzles, I was grateful to see both Daniel's intellectual skills and his sense of belief return. It was also especially nice to see his blatant anger at Adria and his concern for Sam when she was threatened. Michael Shanks showed here that he can still play Daniel as the engaged and passionate character from the past, even if he sometimes chooses not to.

Sam was likewise highlighted to great effect in The Quest, in both her role as team scientist and as team leader. Amanda Tapping has always been a natural at downplaying Carter's genius as ordinary and expected, and at grounding the fantastical nature of story elements as scientificly believable. That happens here too, as the time distortion field becomes an obstacle to overcome, not an exercise in ridiculousness. She also ends up doing nigh all the "leading" of the team in The Quest, though undoubtedly the writer's are still dancing. Everyone seemed to feel more naturally in their places with her up front, however, and the writers seemed to find more opportunity to open up the other characters behind her lead. And Amanda Tapping totally owned that scene where Adria threatens her, leaving me to half suspect some sort of encounter down the road. But I doubt it.

Poor Teal'c was again underused. And poor Chris Judge again grabs his paltry scraps and makes quite the meal of them. A nice highlight of their long friendship, Teal'c's knowing stoppage of Cam's eager exit from Daniel's lab in the teaser was subtle and expertly played. And the best line in the episode was of course his "If you do not assist us, I will squeeze you through these bars," threat to Ba'al. I'm still waiting for the story that will really make good use of Teal'c's complex character. Chris Judge needs to find his pen.

Cameron has seemingly found a more comfortable place with the action, but I'm left wondering about a couple of the choices made. I thought his desire for a quick exit after inviting Daniel to dinner and his abrupt stop at Teal'c's halting gesture made it seem like he was glad to escape the good Doctor's company. And I'm not sure what to make of his outburst at the table in the tavern. I didn't find the villagers to be particularly dismissive or foreboding in their warnings of the quest, but Cam was downright angry in his exclamation. As I said above, there is still an obvious attempt at parity between Mitchell's and Carter's roles as team leader, but here I didn't feel that it was a necessary part of defining the character. Mitchell had enough to do in the story without needing to be defined by his role, which is a definite improvement for both the writers and the character. I hope it continues in the second half of the season.

Vala I found to be at her worst here. I don't believe it has been more apparent at any point thus far just how extraneous her addition to the show was. Left with only jokes and playful antics, Comic Relief Vala needed to be toned down. Claudia Black, I thought, did a nice job trying to infuse her character's interactions with the others with some meaning and genuine affection, but the character just struck me as completely unnecessary in this one. I've not been as critical in the past as others have of her inclusion in the team (perhaps a testament to the foregone nature of it). But it just didn't work with this one.

Lastly, Ba'al and Adria are both curious add-ons to the already cramped cast. Others have bemoaned Ba'al's lack of teeth, and to some extent I agree. For sure an opportunity was missed concerning that knife of his. But I'm going to withold any judgement about his inclusion until the story's end. Adria, though, I'm still not sure about. I'm not too wild of Morena Baccarin's portrayal, which I find too wooden for my tastes, and the character's sudden urge to find the sangraal (as well as her mere knowledge of it) herself is unexplained. She's known about it all along and has just been waiting for SG-1 to find it? Sorry, not buying it.

In the end, I don't hate The Quest. But as a midseason cliffhanger it seems woefully inadequate. And for all the stomping about SG-1 did, not too much happened. Hopefully Part II will provide some meatier events and interactions. And as an aside, I find this post wordy and artless upon rereading. I'm none to happy about its structure, either. But I'm too lazy to write something else, and too disinterested to care. I'll do better six months from now. Until then, adieu.

Bisqwit
September 23rd, 2006, 01:51 PM
The background music of this episode (and the choices of lack thereof) were excellent in my opinion.

Ps. The reason why Baal still hangs with them is because he said he knows the name of the protector (the dragon), which should save them from the dragon.
The reason to introduce him in this episode to begin with... well he obviously has his own agenda. And episode 10x04 ("The Baals infiltrate the SGC") would have looked pretty much disconnected and irrelevant if this episode didn't have the indication that he put his information to actual use.

Ps2. Since when has Adria had flames in her eyes?

archeonut
September 23rd, 2006, 01:59 PM
The issue of whether or not Adria was threatening to kill Sam or Vala is one I think was purposefully left unclear. I don't really think there is a right or wrong answer to that one. I think the writers or whomever (I really don't pay attention to whose responsible for making editing decisions, sorry) wanted that scene to be ambiguous so that the audience could read into it what they wanted. Those who really want to see Daniel have a protective moment with Sam, his longtime and close friend, will read it that way, and those who want to see a bond (be it romantic or otherwise) with Vala can read it that way.

The reason I think this is because the editing was a bit choppy and left room for interpretation which allowed people to ask--who was she threatening to kill?

Daniel was standing to the right of both Sam and Vala. The gesture was subtle and could have been either women. Daniel protested so fast that no one had a chance to respond that would allow for a clarification of who the threatened individual was. And no one besides Adria looked at the intended victim. The only scenes that were shown was Daniel's response next to Sam, where he stood in place and made no physical gesture that singled out Sam, followed by a shot of Cam looking at Vala as if to see what her response was.

As several people have stated, Adria really wants to convert her mother. But what if Cam looking at Vala was to see how she responded to her daughters willingness to kill her to get the Sangraal. Or it could be that Adria was trying to indicate how serious she is by indicating that the first person she would kill is the only one of the group where she has any sentimental attachment toward.

Or it could be Sam that is being indicated and that would play to Daniel's previous friendships and bonds. Its definitely plausible and fits the scenes as well. Cam could simply be looking to see Vala's response to her daughters behavior since he has not encountered the two of them together and maybe curious about how she is reacting to this. The only questiton/problem I have about that is why would Adria make a point of saying "starting with her" in an obvious attempt to get an emotional response from Daniel (Daniel in my mind being the person whose assistance is the most important). Adria knows that Daniel is close to the rest of his crew, but what reason would she have to suspect his feelings for Sam are strong enough to get the required response. She has not had the same opportunity that the audience has had of watching these people/characters develop friendships and close familial relationships. She has seen Daniel and Vala together and is very aware of her mother's feelings for Daniel. She knows that her mother at every instance puts Daniel's life ahead of her own. She knows that it was Daniel who took her mother from her not once but twice. She knows that they have a bond of some sort and that Daniel is loyal and honorable and that is not going to be oblivious to the fact that Vala places him and his cause ahead of both her own selfish instincts and her own child. So it would seem plausible that to Adria, Vala would be the most emotionally charged target in trying to manipulate Daniel. That's why the Vala interpretation makes sense to me more than the Sam interpretation. Though I do feel that the scene was edited/acted in a very ambiguous way to allow for two different readings depending on the individual viewers perspective of the relationships among SG-1.

Relatedly, I often wonder if that is not why Adria is so focused on Daniel. In addition to his being a former Accended being and having a strong will etc, but he's taken the only human thing that she cares about away from her--her mother. And maybe she's a little curious as to why her mother would choose this man who, does not appear to love her back, while there is clearly a bond of friendship between the two, over her own child.

Just some thoughts.

jckfan55
September 23rd, 2006, 02:36 PM
I expect SG-1 to only do two-part episodes when there's something interesting or significant to be done with the characters and story. I expect the characters to get frazzled, to be put in unexpected and extreme situations, to see tension on screen and to feel the frustration of knowing that I'll have to wait to see what happens next.
Yes, there wasn't much tension was there? I think one of my main problems over the last season or so is that the characters seem so blase about things. And that likely comes from less than tension filled scripts and in some cases probably pacing by the director. They've got some pretty talented actors here, but haven't always given them a lot to work with. I think the actors really lift the quality of some of these scripts.

Still, I was pleased to see Sam lin leader mode & in scientist mode. Daniel was acting like himself again & I liked that he was protective of his friend Sam. Teal'c got a good line (but give him something more to do writers! It's like they don't know what to do with him in a non-Jaffa story. :( Jeepers, one of the only times CJ gets something to do is when he writes the script himself. :( ) Vala was only slightly annoying, but come on--a hair dryer? :rolleyes:
Enough Baal already.
I'll be interested to see how it all turns out.

PG15
September 23rd, 2006, 03:31 PM
"For crying out loud!" :D

Anyway, great, great, GREAT episode! The beginning dragged a little, and the actors weren't as good as they should've been, but as soon as SG1 and Co. set off on their journey, this episode became pure gold!

Of course, being a HUGE fan of the Lord of the Rings movies, I can't help but be reminded of them, hell, we had 8 people in our little Fellowship, which is only one less than the one for the Ring.

So, the points:

Like the others have said, everyone had a part in this, even if Mitch and Teal'c's part was smaller than the others; they were still there, spouting wisecracks (Mitch) and being cautious and mean to Ba'al (Teal'c). This was a team episode in EVERY sense. Just plain awesome.

Some has said that Ba'al didn't really serve a purpose. Well, not yet. Still, I think the entertainment he offered more than made up for his "lack of something to do" in this episode.

And that's another notch up for my liking of Adria! We can see that, unlike the Priors, the Doci, or the soldiers, she is very well rounded and has more than a chance of maybe turning to our side or at least being doubtful of the Ori's intentions. Her supreme hawtness didn't hurt either. :jack_new_anime18:

The puzzles and the riddles were a delight to watch. For the temporal maze, I thought it might have been easier to shoot at whatever it is that's before them with the P90s, since then you wouldn't have to bend down. if the bullet kept going, then you have a free route, and so on. I guess that might hurt the people stuck in the field though...in a few years. The riddles stumped me a bit (I thought the answer to the keys one was "sword"). But then, I guess they would be easy to many others since I suck at riddles (like Vala :p Hey! She admitted it!).

I loved LOVED Danny being decisive at the end, not only with the firewall, but with Adria. Seeing Danny standing up for what he believes in is always a treat.

Dragon!! :D I thought it was a tiny bit cheesy due to its long legs hanging there, almost longer than its body. Still, it was cool to see one. Wonder how they're gonna get out of that.

Oh yeah, was it just me, or did that initial roar of the dragon coming out of the depths of the cave sounded like the Balrog from (you guessed it) Lord of the Rings? I think that was definately an homage.

Anyway, great team episode, and really brought epic-ness back to Stargate! :D

Score: 9.5/10

yowo
September 23rd, 2006, 03:32 PM
I loved this episode.:samanime51: :jack_new_anime07: :danielanime13: :indeed:
I have been too depressed about the cancellation :jack_new15: :samanime15: :danielanime05: :tealcanime22: to post for a few weeks, but I am still watching.
SG-1 forever. :jack_new_anime18: :samanime20: :tecmate: :danielanime13:
Save The Stargate.:sam59: :jack_new_anime04: :daniel: :tealc:

:love:

majorsal
September 23rd, 2006, 03:37 PM
This Daniel part in S10 is becoming nice and intersting story arc... and i still remember repliCarter saying that Daniel doesnt even know what's inside his head... damn...



aah, i miss replicarter! :(





sally :)

sg1_david
September 23rd, 2006, 03:43 PM
It was fun and games until the dragon showed up

PG15
September 23rd, 2006, 03:44 PM
ALERT! ALERT! Overuse of Village set.



As opposed to the forest "set"? Maybe we should burn those down too? God knows we've been getting waaaay too much oxygen from them.

Ok, somehow that turned into a rant about logging...but you get my point.

full.infinity
September 23rd, 2006, 04:13 PM
As opposed to the forest "set"? Maybe we should burn those down too? God knows we've been getting waaaay too much oxygen from them.

Ok, somehow that turned into a rant about logging...but you get my point.
You don't notice the forest set because forests are random enough that you won't notice anyways. But I think they need another Village or two so as to get less of an impression that all lower-tech communities are compelled to build everything in the exact same way :P

Fargater
September 23rd, 2006, 04:15 PM
Just one more thing to add, actually:

WHY oh why did Vala pack a hair dryer on this mission? Did she actually expect to find an outlet that's compatible to US standards to plug it into off-world? I couldn't even plut my electronics in a hop away from this continent!
Oh, is that what that was? I couldn`t really tell. I thought it was some kind of gun. Yeah, that is stupid. Unless she takes junk like that everywhere in case she has an opportunity to barter it/horse trade for something useful from an unsuspecting person on another planet? :cameronanime08b:

SG1Atlantis
September 23rd, 2006, 04:17 PM
OMG that episode was FREAKIN' AWESOME!

Great team interaction and character development, especially for Daniel. I liked him being faithful enough to walk through the firewall, reminded me of Indiana Jones.

Definitley called the rock thing with the maze but it was still good to see. Did not see Adria's deception though...clever. Like the riddles too and you gotta wonder why Daniel coundn't pick up the Sangraal. This ep had just the right amount of Ori too. Not too much preaching or converting but just enought to connect the storylines.

Overall, gotta say that this is my fav of the season so far.

10/10:daniel:

PG15
September 23rd, 2006, 04:18 PM
It's a medieval village...hell, Danny even said that the simiarity in looks makes sense since they were all influenced by Merlin and his ilk.

How else are you going to build a medival village? That's like complaining about the pyramids because they all have 4 corners. :rolleyes:

full.infinity
September 23rd, 2006, 04:32 PM
It's a medieval village...hell, Danny even said that the simiarity in looks makes sense since they were all influenced by Merlin and his ilk.

How else are you going to build a medival village? That's like complaining about the pyramids because they all have 4 corners. :rolleyes:
True, but I think I've seen the exact same camera angle before. They could at least change that :P

Fargater
September 23rd, 2006, 04:39 PM
The whole Ba'al and Adria being there didn't bother me at all. Adria is there purly because she wants to get the weapon in order to distroy it. She knows that she cannot do it on her own, so she is doing the normal "bad guy" thing and using SG-1 to get it for her. I'm just wondering if she knew she wouldn't be able to use any of her powers, and where can't she use them. She did use her strength to help to "save the child". But it wasn't untill they were in the fire chamber (right outside the dragon chamber) that we first get a glimps of her not being able to use any of her powers.


As for the reason for Ba'al being there, I believe there is a reason and that it will be revealed in part 2.


:) :daniel:
Trying to read the whole thread before commenting, but will probably forget this bit so will respond to this now. I don`t think she used her powers to help lift the portcullis. I think it went up almost by itself because she was the last one to join in. (Right?) It required all of them to demonstrate kindness just like they all had to make a contribution to the chest to show charity before. I think the writers did that on purpose to possibly throw us off about her lack of powers. It looked like her powers caused it to rise, but I think it was just waiting for them all to step up, because as soon as she did, it almost flew up and the boy vanished.

And speaking of the riddles, I was kind of wishing that they`d all have to display faith in stepping through the fire. Was glad that it was Daniel who went first, (so Daniel to do that!) but it seemed inconsistent with the other riddles/virtues that it only took one of them to have the faith to get through that one. It would have been cool if he went in and they`d have no idea what happened to him. It would have made a lot more tension to have them not know if he was right or dead. But I guess they had to move things along and it would have been too hard to get everyone to take the chance believably. Maybe it`s not too different from Sam really being the only one to figure out the first trap (yes I`m looking for an excuse now).

ToasterOnFire
September 23rd, 2006, 04:45 PM
I was pleasantly surprised to find that both SG1 and Atlantis had solid mid season finales. While I thought that Atlantis had better character moments overall, SG1 didn't dwell as much on setup and went straight into the action.


-Nice to see the team together for a change, and everyone had something to contribute. Teal'c did get the short end of the stick, but unfortunately that's nothing new. I liked Sam's solution to the time puzzle the most. (Was she using a PSP? I swear, it was a PSP. Sheesh Sony, so much product placement recently...)

-I figured out that the librarian was not what he seemed, but I wasn't expecting Adria.

-I always enjoy seeing Ba'al, but he was toothless here and therefore had less of an impact. Adria also was reduced to threats and little more. I have a hard time seeing either of them as evil and threatening enemies now.

-Vala and the hairdryer was part funny and part cheese. The dragon at the end, however, was all cheese. No tension whatsoever.

-Loved Vala resting her head on Sam's shoulder and giving her a well done pat when they get through the time puzzle. More of this, please!

-I'm also weary of medieval villages. And Vancouver forests for that matter. I know there's only so much you can do on a limited budget, but it gets monotonous after a while.

Fargater
September 23rd, 2006, 04:47 PM
This was an all around great episode. But I found one flaw...

"You're eyes are different."

I remember Mitchell saying that to Adria when she first appeared. How does he know about her eyes? Only Daniel and Vala were with Adria that episode a few weeks back when they were on the Ori ship. That just caught my attention.
Maybe they told him about her eyes so he knew what they were supposed to look like? :confused: (I wish we had a shrugging shoulders/"dunno" smilie. Which is rude to say with the wealth of cool smilies here.)

full.infinity
September 23rd, 2006, 04:55 PM
(Was she using a PSP? I swear, it was a PSP. Sheesh Sony, so much product placement recently...)
It's the same thing Vala had in Uninvited which is apparently some sort of PSP-Tapwave hybrid.

Fargater
September 23rd, 2006, 04:56 PM
I didn't think Adria used her powers to open the gate. I thought that she was simply the last person to lend a hand and that the gate "needed" all of them to participate to fulfill that partcular part of the quest.
Ach! That`s what I said but you beat me to it. :)

fellip_nectar
September 23rd, 2006, 04:57 PM
Maybe they told him about her eyes so he knew what they were supposed to look like? :confused: (I wish we had a shrugging shoulders/"dunno" smilie. Which is rude to say with the wealth of cool smilies here.)

No, Mitchell saw them in person right at the beginning of 'Counterstrike' when undercover on the planet.

Fargater
September 23rd, 2006, 05:13 PM
Very well put. To each his/her own, but I'm with you on this one. SG1 just [U]is[U][I]and for that I'm grateful. This episode, while wonderful for me, leaned a bit too far into fantasy for my liking... but it's SG1 and where they lead, I will follow.
The maze of frozen people- like Sam said, they were actually moving, just a lot slower, so it didn't faze me when I saw a movement. For them most part I was pleasantly surprised at just how still they managed to remain for their camera shots. (Did anyone else get the idea that the writers were trying to keep a step ahead of this forum with Vala/Sam's explanation about the leaves moving? teehee moment)
heh heh, that occurred to me as well.

What I didn't buy was the 'no way back' theory of Sam's. 6 people- most of them wearing combat boots- had just shuffled along in the same path through sand; a blind person in bare feet could have retraced that path back through the 'maze'. But oh well.
Hee hee. I thought exactly the same thing, just retrace your steps, Kids! But at least it gave Sam a good way to look smart, and the writers seemed to anticipate fans thinking of that with the "It might go around in a complete circle" comment.

Sam's idea of throwing the rocks was cool- my first instinct (A Jackism) was to fire bullets to find the field. The rock idea was definately better, but had Jack been there... hmmm.
I wasn`t smart enough to think of anything like firing bullets, so was just thinking "Yay, Sam!" when she did that.

I loved the hair dryer in Vala's pack. Please don't try to reason it out- I thot it was quite Valaesque.
I did and decided she might have thought she could barter it for something useful. Was the best I could come up with as an excuse for someone I would think wouldn`t waste space in her pack on something useless.

I do wish they had taken Baal's powerbar instead of his knife- oh, take the knife away from him for sure- but only give him two bites and let him be hungry!
MWAHAHAHAHA!!! That`s evil. Great idea! But didn`t he eat the thing in like two bites?

I think part of Adria's coming across as whiny was the fact that she didn't have her powers in the cave and it took away some of her cockiness. Vulnerability is not something she is accustomed to feeling.
Good point. She didn`t strike me as whiny anyway, but for them that thinks it that`s a good point.

I can only assume that Daniel didn't trip her into the bottomless pit out of consideration for Vala. Hope he does in part two, tho... or one of them does.
hee hee

I wanna know if this is the real Baal, or another of his clones...
Hmm. Well if he gets killed off it was a clone, and if not it was the real one. ;)

And in the beginning, at the village, when the prior ordered the contents of the library burned- why didn't he 'poof' the pile into flames instead of having them dump something on it and lighting it the old-fashioned way? Wouldn't a display of his powers carry more weight with the villagers?
Yeah, good point. Someone else suggested that his powers didn`t work because of Morgan`s spells/whatever. Hmm. As I`m typing this it occurs to me that that won`t fly because shouldn`t Adria`s disguise of Osric also not work? Or is that considered "defensive" so it`s under the categories covered by the necklace? :confused: meh, I`m gonna chalk it up to no pyro effects money left in the budget. ;)

Fargater
September 23rd, 2006, 05:15 PM
No, Mitchell saw them in person right at the beginning of 'Counterstrike' when undercover on the planet.
Ah, okay. I hope MasterPower sees your answer.

PG15
September 23rd, 2006, 05:18 PM
True, but I think I've seen the exact same camera angle before. They could at least change that :P

Weeeellll....ok, I'll give you that one. :D

Fargater
September 23rd, 2006, 05:50 PM
The issue of whether or not Adria was threatening to kill Sam or Vala is one I think was purposefully left unclear. I don't really think there is a right or wrong answer to that one. I think the writers or whomever (I really don't pay attention to whose responsible for making editing decisions, sorry) wanted that scene to be ambiguous so that the audience could read into it what they wanted. Those who really want to see Daniel have a protective moment with Sam, his longtime and close friend, will read it that way, and those who want to see a bond (be it romantic or otherwise) with Vala can read it that way.

The reason I think this is because the editing was a bit choppy and left room for interpretation which allowed people to ask--who was she threatening to kill?

Daniel was standing to the right of both Sam and Vala. The gesture was subtle and could have been either women. Daniel protested so fast that no one had a chance to respond that would allow for a clarification of who the threatened individual was. And no one besides Adria looked at the intended victim. The only scenes that were shown was Daniel's response next to Sam, where he stood in place and made no physical gesture that singled out Sam, followed by a shot of Cam looking at Vala as if to see what her response was.

As several people have stated, Adria really wants to convert her mother. But what if Cam looking at Vala was to see how she responded to her daughters willingness to kill her to get the Sangraal. Or it could be that Adria was trying to indicate how serious she is by indicating that the first person she would kill is the only one of the group where she has any sentimental attachment toward.

Or it could be Sam that is being indicated and that would play to Daniel's previous friendships and bonds. Its definitely plausible and fits the scenes as well. Cam could simply be looking to see Vala's response to her daughters behavior since he has not encountered the two of them together and maybe curious about how she is reacting to this. The only questiton/problem I have about that is why would Adria make a point of saying "starting with her" in an obvious attempt to get an emotional response from Daniel (Daniel in my mind being the person whose assistance is the most important). Adria knows that Daniel is close to the rest of his crew, but what reason would she have to suspect his feelings for Sam are strong enough to get the required response. She has not had the same opportunity that the audience has had of watching these people/characters develop friendships and close familial relationships. She has seen Daniel and Vala together and is very aware of her mother's feelings for Daniel. She knows that her mother at every instance puts Daniel's life ahead of her own. She knows that it was Daniel who took her mother from her not once but twice. She knows that they have a bond of some sort and that Daniel is loyal and honorable and that is not going to be oblivious to the fact that Vala places him and his cause ahead of both her own selfish instincts and her own child. So it would seem plausible that to Adria, Vala would be the most emotionally charged target in trying to manipulate Daniel. That's why the Vala interpretation makes sense to me more than the Sam interpretation. Though I do feel that the scene was edited/acted in a very ambiguous way to allow for two different readings depending on the individual viewers perspective of the relationships among SG-1.

Relatedly, I often wonder if that is not why Adria is so focused on Daniel. In addition to his being a former Accended being and having a strong will etc, but he's taken the only human thing that she cares about away from her--her mother. And maybe she's a little curious as to why her mother would choose this man who, does not appear to love her back, while there is clearly a bond of friendship between the two, over her own child.

Just some thoughts.
Interesting ideas. I wasn`t sure myself because of the choppy editing and it occurred to me it would be pretty cold and make her seem more scary/intimidating if she`d be willing to off her own mother but then decided it was Sam, based on Daniel`s reaction and also because Adria had seemed to lean? gesture? look? in Sam`s direction. Now I have to watch it again because how I remember it is a bit different than how you describe it, but you seem very sure of how it looked so I`m doubting my memory. I thought Daniel was between them (Sam and Vala) with Sam to his right, in the area where Adria looked. Other people posting here seem to remember it that way too.

LMichelle
September 23rd, 2006, 05:57 PM
I liked the episode, but I thought it was leading up to a great cliffhangar. Then we get a dragon. A frelling dragon. That's it? WTF? Hey, at least it wasn't as cheesy as the dragon in the movie "The Golden Child." ;)

Maxum
September 23rd, 2006, 06:09 PM
The issue of whether or not Adria was threatening to kill Sam or Vala is one I think was purposefully left unclear. I don't really think there is a right or wrong answer to that one. I think the writers or whomever (I really don't pay attention to whose responsible for making editing decisions, sorry) wanted that scene to be ambiguous so that the audience could read into it what they wanted. Those who really want to see Daniel have a protective moment with Sam, his longtime and close friend, will read it that way, and those who want to see a bond (be it romantic or otherwise) with Vala can read it that way.

The reason I think this is because the editing was a bit choppy and left room for interpretation which allowed people to ask--who was she threatening to kill?

Daniel was standing to the right of both Sam and Vala. The gesture was subtle and could have been either women. Daniel protested so fast that no one had a chance to respond that would allow for a clarification of who the threatened individual was. And no one besides Adria looked at the intended victim. The only scenes that were shown was Daniel's response next to Sam, where he stood in place and made no physical gesture that singled out Sam, followed by a shot of Cam looking at Vala as if to see what her response was.

As several people have stated, Adria really wants to convert her mother. But what if Cam looking at Vala was to see how she responded to her daughters willingness to kill her to get the Sangraal. Or it could be that Adria was trying to indicate how serious she is by indicating that the first person she would kill is the only one of the group where she has any sentimental attachment toward.

Or it could be Sam that is being indicated and that would play to Daniel's previous friendships and bonds. Its definitely plausible and fits the scenes as well. Cam could simply be looking to see Vala's response to her daughters behavior since he has not encountered the two of them together and maybe curious about how she is reacting to this. The only questiton/problem I have about that is why would Adria make a point of saying "starting with her" in an obvious attempt to get an emotional response from Daniel (Daniel in my mind being the person whose assistance is the most important). Adria knows that Daniel is close to the rest of his crew, but what reason would she have to suspect his feelings for Sam are strong enough to get the required response. She has not had the same opportunity that the audience has had of watching these people/characters develop friendships and close familial relationships. She has seen Daniel and Vala together and is very aware of her mother's feelings for Daniel. She knows that her mother at every instance puts Daniel's life ahead of her own. She knows that it was Daniel who took her mother from her not once but twice. She knows that they have a bond of some sort and that Daniel is loyal and honorable and that is not going to be oblivious to the fact that Vala places him and his cause ahead of both her own selfish instincts and her own child. So it would seem plausible that to Adria, Vala would be the most emotionally charged target in trying to manipulate Daniel. That's why the Vala interpretation makes sense to me more than the Sam interpretation. Though I do feel that the scene was edited/acted in a very ambiguous way to allow for two different readings depending on the individual viewers perspective of the relationships among SG-1.

Relatedly, I often wonder if that is not why Adria is so focused on Daniel. In addition to his being a former Accended being and having a strong will etc, but he's taken the only human thing that she cares about away from her--her mother. And maybe she's a little curious as to why her mother would choose this man who, does not appear to love her back, while there is clearly a bond of friendship between the two, over her own child.

Just some thoughts.

Your post is very well thought out and interesting, but I disagree. I don't think who Adria was threatening was ambiguous at all. It was Sam. Adria definitely looked to her left when speaking to Daniel, which is where Sam was standing. Also, if Adria wanted to threaten a woman in SG-1 that would generate a reaction from ALL members, it would be Sam over Vala.

As for not knowing about Daniel's relationship with Sam as opposed to knowing his relationship to Vala, I think Adria is well aware of Daniel, SG-1, and their history, especially if she has this "all-knowing" power. I don't see Adria threatening her mother's life in order to persuade Daniel. For one thing, how would she ever attempt to sway her mother towards the Ori way of thinking if she is so willing to sacrifice her life to force Daniel's hand? Further proof is that after entering the cave, Adria was downright affectionate to her mother - clasping her arm and talking about when her mother eventually joins the Ori. I don't see Vala allowing something like that if her daughter had just threatened her life.

Lastly, Daniel's reaction is what really sealed it for me. If anything is ambiguous, at the moment, it's Daniel's feelings for Vala. Is it friendship? Is it something more? I don't know. What I DO know is that Daniel's feelings for Sam are anything but ambiguous. Daniel loves her like the sister he never had, and the history between these two characters spans a decade. Daniel has seen Adria snap the neck of a Jaffa without a second thought. So, when she threatened Sam, Daniel's reaction to the threat was instantaneous. The words were barely out of Adria's mouth before Daniel reacted with an impassioned plea. Vala does not have the history or emotional attachment to Daniel yet for it to have been her that Adria threatened. It could only have been Sam.

That's how I see it anyway.

Pocus
September 23rd, 2006, 07:16 PM
Great episode. I am really going to have a hard time waiting 6 months for the rest of it.

~liked all the team interactions

~loved Vala being Vala. She can be a breath of fresh air even when she is being annoying. She definitely brings a totally different perspective on things at times.

~liked the time dilation field and the fact that they could not depend on their technology to get them through it. My hubby thought of throwing sand into the air to see if it would show the path. He also kept muttering about wanting them to slide their feet to make a trail to follow back out if needed or just for the last one in line to be ablet to follow Sam's tracks exactly.

~liked the barkeeper lady.

~liked the interaction between Ba'al and Adria. They would have cute, devious babies

~"squeeze you through the bars" :)

~I thought Morena did a great job with Adria this time. She did not seem to me to be as wooden. I did like the outfit in this show (but I loved someone's comments about stealing a Dynasty outfit)

My biggest gripe was the dragon itself. It looked like someone liked the movie Gremlins 2 and wanted to recreate the Gargoyle Gremlin.

Hurry up March!!!!!!!:(

Gater_Gurl
September 23rd, 2006, 07:36 PM
Did anyone else see Bra'tac and the scene from 'Gemini' with Fifth and Replicarter in the preview for this episode? That confused me. I was just wondering if anyone else saw it or if I was seeing things.

Descent
September 23rd, 2006, 07:40 PM
Did anyone else see Bra'tac and the scene from 'Gemini' with Fifth and Replicarter in the preview for this episode? That confused me. I was just wondering if anyone else saw it or if I was seeing things.

They actually put a lot of other scenes in the promo as well, like the battle from "Heroes".

Gater_Gurl
September 23rd, 2006, 07:59 PM
I just watched a clip on AOL with cast commentary about the Quest part one and it showed a clip from the second part. It showedDaniel sticking his head into an ancient database and getting the knowledge downloaded into his head.
Note: If you don't like spoilers I wouldn't look at this because it seems like a big one IMO.

Descent
September 23rd, 2006, 08:01 PM
I just watched a clip on AOL with cast commentary about the Quest part one and it showed a clip from the second part. It showedDaniel sticking his head into an ancient database and getting the knowledge downloaded into his head.
Note: If you don't like spoilers I wouldn't look at this because it seems like a big one IMO.

The vignettes always have a preview of the next episode attached. And yes, unfortunately its a big one. :(

rich8511
September 23rd, 2006, 08:12 PM
Was it me or did Adria look like she was actually having a little excitement right after she said the word to the last riddle?

Ba'al, too.. but it seems he always has fun hanging around with SG1.

Agent_Dark
September 23rd, 2006, 08:14 PM
If it weren't for the fact that I heart these characters lots, The Quest would prove to me that SG1 has far gone past it's used by date. Possibly the only other two-parter in the entire 10 years of the show that was as bad as this was 'The Tok'ra' (the episode on a whole was fine, and it also wasn't supposed to be something that was meant to keep us hanging for 6 months until the conclusion...). A fake treasure chest. A fake little boy. A fake wall of fire. A fake Sangraal. And they expect us to believe that a Dragon (crappy CG btw... Even the Dungeons and Dragons movie - one of the worst movies I've ever seen - had better CGI than that) is really about to eat them all and keep us in suspense? Bah. SG1 has seriously lost the plot and has become a major camp fest.

The saving grace of the episode is the fact the characters (or maybe the actors...) had lots of enjoyable little moments. SG1 has basically become an entirely plot driven show, yet the actors in one little snippet from a scene can make their characters stand far above and much more interesting than the plot? Definite problems with the show. So, as has become the usual for me over the last two seasons, I'll be looking to the fanfic to bring this episode to life (I encourage anyone who finds these episode boring and unimaginative to seek out the fanfic. Not the usual dreg that's posted at places like fanfic.net, but around the LiveJournal's and the decent quality archives. Much, much, much better than the current writing on the show).

suse
September 23rd, 2006, 08:24 PM
Just one more thing to add, actually:

WHY oh why did Vala pack a hair dryer on this mission? Did she actually expect to find an outlet that's compatible to US standards to plug it into off-world? I couldn't even plut my electronics in a hop away from this continent!

It was yet another way to get a yukyuk laugh. Just an instance of dumbing down a once savvy character. I doubt she had ever seen a hair dryer before coming to earth so how much of an attachment could there have been? I did immediately think of Princess Vespa in SpaceballsApparently the writers think that dumbing her down/playing her for adolescent(girl) laughes makes her more likabale as there was so much complaining about the overt sexualization (boy laughs) last season. <sigh> No one I think meant for them to get rid of her smarts, just her skintight leather and sexual comments/harassment.
YMMV.

Suse

PG15
September 23rd, 2006, 08:29 PM
I just thought it was funny...

full.infinity
September 23rd, 2006, 08:31 PM
I just thought it was funny...
Nothing can be "funny" with Cam and Vala. Only travesty. Any mention of Cam and Vala without complaining about them is blasphemy.

AZStarGeek
September 23rd, 2006, 08:32 PM
I'm surprised no one else has posted this yet....

Anybody (else) recognize the voice of Osric?

I could be wrong, but wasn't that Michael Gough (no, not the guy who played Alfred in the 90's Batman movies, but the voice actor who did Deckard Cain in the Diablo games)? Didn't mention him in the credits and not posted to IMDB (yet).....

Mitchell82
September 23rd, 2006, 08:43 PM
"For crying out loud!" :D

Anyway, great, great, GREAT episode! The beginning dragged a little, and the actors weren't as good as they should've been, but as soon as SG1 and Co. set off on their journey, this episode became pure gold!

Of course, being a HUGE fan of the Lord of the Rings movies, I can't help but be reminded of them, hell, we had 8 people in our little Fellowship, which is only one less than the one for the Ring.

So, the points:

Like the others have said, everyone had a part in this, even if Mitch and Teal'c's part was smaller than the others; they were still there, spouting wisecracks (Mitch) and being cautious and mean to Ba'al (Teal'c). This was a team episode in EVERY sense. Just plain awesome.

Some has said that Ba'al didn't really serve a purpose. Well, not yet. Still, I think the entertainment he offered more than made up for his "lack of something to do" in this episode.

And that's another notch up for my liking of Adria! We can see that, unlike the Priors, the Doci, or the soldiers, she is very well rounded and has more than a chance of maybe turning to our side or at least being doubtful of the Ori's intentions. Her supreme hawtness didn't hurt either. :jack_new_anime18:

The puzzles and the riddles were a delight to watch. For the temporal maze, I thought it might have been easier to shoot at whatever it is that's before them with the P90s, since then you wouldn't have to bend down. if the bullet kept going, then you have a free route, and so on. I guess that might hurt the people stuck in the field though...in a few years. The riddles stumped me a bit (I thought the answer to the keys one was "sword"). But then, I guess they would be easy to many others since I suck at riddles (like Vala :p Hey! She admitted it!).

I loved LOVED Danny being decisive at the end, not only with the firewall, but with Adria. Seeing Danny standing up for what he believes in is always a treat.

Dragon!! :D I thought it was a tiny bit cheesy due to its long legs hanging there, almost longer than its body. Still, it was cool to see one. Wonder how they're gonna get out of that.

Oh yeah, was it just me, or did that initial roar of the dragon coming out of the depths of the cave sounded like the Balrog from (you guessed it) Lord of the Rings? I think that was definately an homage.

Anyway, great team episode, and really brought epic-ness back to Stargate! :D

Score: 9.5/10
Agree 100%.! I am getting a little sick of the "Overuse of the Village set!" Look at any episode thats outside and you can go , "Oh this episode was done here too! It's not like Vancouver is big enough to use no local's for each episode. The village set is not overused as they change it each time they use it and it's alot cheaper to alter a set than build a whole new one! I mean come on this was a great episode and some of this bickering is pointless.

suse
September 23rd, 2006, 09:03 PM
Teal'c was a little underused (as usual) although he got to solve a riddle. Wind! Go Teal'c. :tealc:

Dare I say this was very appropriate given Chris Judges enjoyment of "breaking wind". :p :D

*
Ba'al joining the quest. He's still the coolest Goa'uld. Although I miss the flanged voice and the glowy eyes. It's almost like Ba'al has been neutered a little bit......dare I say Ba'al has lost his balls? :P

::groan:: I'd agree. Seems they are saving moeny where they can. <sigh>
<snipety do-da>

* Some of the moments were silly/funny. Sam cracking "why don't you get a room" at Adria/Ba'al. Vala reluctantly putting her hairdryer in the chest (although why she brings a hairdryer is beyond me). Ba'al cooly stepping aside when the team pointed their guns at old man/Adria.

The hair dryer seemed to be directly from Spaceballs.Gotta love Mel Brooks It was an embarassing attempted cheap laugh that would never have been done pre-S9



The mediocre:

* Hatusu said it best.:) *Warning* overuse of the village set :cool: And I wanted the Giant Aliens to show up when they stumbled back into Crystal Skull there at the end. Disappointed that we only got the flying lizard.

Yawn. Crystal Skull set reuse with more than a smattering of Iniana Jones thrown in. <yawnyawn>


* Adria's outfit.....egads did she raid Joan Collin's Dynasty wardrobe? Of course those shoulder pads could double as glider wings should the team fall off into the Cystal Skull abyss in the next episode. So maybe that's the plan. ;)

LOLOL! Nope, I think she modified some of her mum;s old clothing.


* You know it was a shame Jack was over on Atlantis (where he seemed stiff and out of place) because his wry comments would have been welcome on this Quest. Maybe one too many bodies in the cave but it would have been fun to have him along.

Yes it would have been. But we mustn't have the "new" lead male action hero being compared to the "classic" lead male action hero. It is might be unfavorable.


*Lack of drama and intensity. Was anyone worried about anyone anywhere in this episode? I wasn't. Maybe a slight wibble when Daniel started to walk into the fire but that was a brief moment. The cliffhanger itself wasn't exciting enough to have me anticipating Part II of the episode. BTW, Vala's antics may be annoying at times but at least she brings some welcome energy to the proceedings. Although it's hard for me to believe this Vala is the same Vala we met in Prometheus Unbound. She's become "bouncy comic-relief gal".
Yup. Very sad. I won't repeat my earlier post (in its entirety).


Reading back over my list it sounds like I disliked more than I liked but I thought Quest Pt 1 was better than the S8 and S9 mid-season cliffhangers. The dragon was totally cheesy though.

They don't seem to do CGI creatures well. Ships are great though.
Joe Mallozi said fans of Dungeons & Dragons would like this. I can see that. :( I'm not a fan of that part of fantasy though.


Rating: 6.5 out of 10

My favorite episode of the first half is still Pegasus Project. Although I'm admittedly a big fan of Brad Wright's writing.

Yup. The thing is I'm a fan of Coops writing also. Not so much of Mallozi by himself. It really needs to be a team effort of Mallozi and Mullie for me to like it.

Suse

suse
September 23rd, 2006, 09:05 PM
Nothing can be "funny" with Cam and Vala. Only travesty. Any mention of Cam and Vala without complaining about them is blasphemy.


Ah! So you finally agree! :D

Suse
yes, I know your post was sarcasm. But the only reason I know is because i have read your posts before.

Racingtime
September 23rd, 2006, 09:20 PM
Your post is very well thought out and interesting, but I disagree. I don't think who Adria was threatening was ambiguous at all. It was Sam. Adria definitely looked to her left when speaking to Daniel, which is where Sam was standing.

For one thing, how would she ever attempt to sway her mother towards the Ori way of thinking if she is so willing to sacrifice her life to force Daniel's hand?

I agree, I didn't see it as ambiguous at all either. The editing wasn't the greatest but it was still clear to me that Adria was nodding in Sam's direction. I'd also add on to what you said about Adria wanting to sway her mom to the Ori side. We don't have a 100% look into what Adria's motivations are but what she has made clear many different times is that she wants Vala on her side. She even pointed out in front of Daniel that her ability to sway Vala would pretty much mean that she could convince anyone so it would be seen as a great victory. Daniel's a smart person. If it was Vala that Adria was threatening I don't see him reacting as fast as he did because I don't think he would view it as a serious threat. But he knows that Adria would be less likely to care about Sam's life which gave the threat much more weight. I think his reaction was fast due to both things though...the fact that he loves Sam and doesn't want anyone to threaten someone he cares about and what I was just saying about how the threat would be more real in regards to Sam. (Also if I was Sam I would be having a heart attack at that moment since she just saw someone shot down without a second thought and no chance last episode...different bad guys but same possible outcome.)

jz9
September 23rd, 2006, 10:08 PM
Loved this episode! 10/10. Loved seeig the whole team together + Baal + Adria.

the fifth man
September 23rd, 2006, 11:03 PM
Well, after watching "The Quest, Part 1" again, I once again must state what an awesome mid-season finale I thought it was. It was great on so many levels - character interaction, teamwork, story, visuals, etc. Overall, I just loved the whole episode.:) And after seeing the slight spoiler for Part 2 on AOL's extras site, I'm really excited. This wait for March is going to be a real killer.:(

sg-1fanintn
September 23rd, 2006, 11:46 PM
I enjoyed The Quest, Part 1, and wish the next ep was a week away, instead of a half-year away!!!

I also firmly believe that if TPTB had handled the command issue between Sam and Mitchell in S9 the way they're handling it this year, SG-1 would be planning for S11, instead of being cancelled. Ditto with the integration of Vala into the storyline. If they had only listened to the fans sooner!!!

The show has improved tremendously in the first half of this season. The only place they're still failing is in their ability to use RDA well in his guest appearances. They're writing him as a caricature of Jack O'Neill, instead of as Jack O'Neill. It's a waste of his time, and I find it as frustrating as I found the leadership issue and the marginalization of the three remaining leads last year. Of course, the badly-written Jack issue is on my mind this week because of RDA's SGA appearance, but TPTB is TPTB.

TPTB also still need to happily resolve the Sam/Jack Ship, and I'm going to really resent it if they don't. Yes, I have issues. We all do. Don't shoot me. It's just MHO, and I'm sticking to it!

the fifth man
September 23rd, 2006, 11:58 PM
I enjoyed The Quest, Part 1, and wish the next ep was a week away, instead of a half-year away!!!


Trust me, my friend, you're not alone. This 6 month wait for the second half of this season is going to suck for a whole lot of us.

Descent
September 24th, 2006, 12:11 AM
Trust me, my friend, you're not alone. This 6 month wait for the second half of this season is going to suck for a whole lot of us.

*cough*Season 9 set*cough* :tealc:

Mitchell82
September 24th, 2006, 12:35 AM
Trust me, my friend, you're not alone. This 6 month wait for the second half of this season is going to suck for a whole lot of us.
I agree it will suck but what sucks worse is some of this useless griping but oh well in one ear....;) This was a great ep and I will be paitently waiting and chatting with you fine folks.

scarimor
September 24th, 2006, 01:08 AM
Uhh. Ok. Here we go:

Things I liked:



The Actors performances. Once more unto the breach they go. The character beats made the episode worth watching, both in terms of the scripted moments and the ones they seemed to put in themselves -

Teal'c holding up Cameron in Daniel's lab. He so knows Daniel and now he's getting Cam.

Vala hitting on Sam - ok, I know I'm imposing my interpretation just a tad ;), but she has got to hit on Sam some more please http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/scarimor/samvalaanim.gif

Adria threatening Sam, and Daniel's rapid and vehement defence, followed by Sam's reaction to Adria targeting her. That was team and I sure hope it's a foretaste of an Adria-Sam encounter somewhere down the line.

Vala's "Muscles" line to Teal'c.

Sam's "Get a room!"

Sam in the leadership role sits very comfortably with this team.

The tavern woman - what a great cameo! The actress brought so much more than "stock villager" to her role. Anyone know her name?

The directing wasn't bad - he injected some pace into what was, on the face of it, a very ploddy script.


Things I didn't like:


The unbearable predictability of this arc. Dear lord, could it be any more obvious? Plod, plod, no surprises, plod, another non-surprise, plod, oh look - another trite thing we saw coming six lightyears months ago -
dragons :rolleyes: - http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....6&postcount=25

A crap "dragon". The last monster-cgi I saw was the giant devil in Dr Who, so perhaps I've been spoiled, but still, that jerky lizard was shameful.

Most of the writing. Gah! When Daniel was repeating the 'virtues we gallant adventurers must use in pursuit of this knightly quest' for the, what - fifth time? - I almost lost the will to live.

Dani347
September 24th, 2006, 01:12 AM
Useless griping? If there's useless griping, does that mean there's another type of griping that's useful? *ponders* Griping! Go scrub the toilet! Make yourself useful!

Lazy, good for nothing griping.

grasshopper64
September 24th, 2006, 04:16 AM
An average ep for me, some good things, some bad things.

Good things:

Daniel - Nice to see him almost back to his old self and not the OTT snarkiness and comedy act we saw in company of thieves. A very good episode for him.
Daniel and Vala not joined at the hip - Nice to see them both interacting with the others more.
Teal'c stopping Mitchell when he wanted to hear what Daniel had to say.
Sam's "get a room" line to Adria and Ba'al, now I'm waiting for people to start shipping those two:)

Wasn't sure about Ba'al's knife and him saying it had sentimental value. I don't think it was the same knife he used to torture Jack with, not sure if that was meant to be implied but I couldn't help wondering if that's what Daniel was thinking.....

Bad things:

The ending with the dragon - just felt lame to me.
The slowness of the plot - I'm not a fan of the whole dungeons and dragons fantasy thing, and much of this felt predictable.
And yes I agree with the overuse of the village set and the crystal skull thing.
Vala - She seems to have become a comedy act. They could have managed quiet easily without her being there, and the hairdryer - that was just silly.

Overall I'd say 5/10

The Signal
September 24th, 2006, 08:20 AM
Im not going to go into great detail on this. The plot, to me, was one of the better ones this season. The writing was far better than it has been this season, Teal'c had some great lines, as did Baal and even Adria, who still comes off as very child like, which i kind of enjoy, as it gives her some, if not much, depth of character. Mitchell seemed like an idiot once again "thats quitter talk" :rolleyes: Having Vala once again be the genious of the show for the second week running, first the crystals of the hyperdrive, now this. The cliffhanger to me seemed weak, and I won't even go into my issues with the dragon. That said, with the setup we now have, and the vignette with the preview for the next ep, I look forward to Part 2. Sadly, however, this ep doesnt warrent anything higher than a


5 out of 10.

Dani347
September 24th, 2006, 10:07 AM
Wasn't sure about Ba'al's knife and him saying it had sentimental value. I don't think it was the same knife he used to torture Jack with, not sure if that was meant to be implied but I couldn't help wondering if that's what Daniel was thinking.....


My take on that is, if it's not the same knife as from Abyss, Ba'al was just making an excuse for why he didn't give it up in the first place.

I may just have imagined this, but in the first scene, when Daniel turns down the dinner invite, and Mitchell starts to leave, is Teal'c smirking? That adds something, that he's not only asking about Daniel's search because he's interested, but he knows Mitchell really wants to leave so he's having some fun by getting Daniel started and forcing Mitchell to stay.

MB.Eddie
September 24th, 2006, 10:44 AM
Great all round ep. I didnt pick Adria in her disguise so that was a surprise. Nice to see the team work well together. Also nice to see some of the Ori soldiers close up again. Cant wait for part 2.

Is it March yet? :(

stewsith
September 24th, 2006, 12:23 PM
This series just gets better and better. How can they fend of the dragon?

scarimor
September 24th, 2006, 01:29 PM
How can they fend of the dragon?
Feed it Adria.

She's not had time to lose her virginity.

the fifth man
September 24th, 2006, 02:37 PM
Feed it Adria.

She's not had time to lose her virginity.

LOL!:) That would be kind of funny, but I'm ready to see her go yet.

As for your other part, I'm guessing she'd go for either Daniel or Ba'al if given the chance.;)

Maxum
September 24th, 2006, 02:53 PM
I enjoyed The Quest, Part 1, and wish the next ep was a week away, instead of a half-year away!!!

The show has improved tremendously in the first half of this season. The only place they're still failing is in their ability to use RDA well in his guest appearances. They're writing him as a caricature of Jack O'Neill, instead of as Jack O'Neill. It's a waste of his time, and I find it as frustrating as I found the leadership issue and the marginalization of the three remaining leads last year. Of course, the badly-written Jack issue is on my mind this week because of RDA's SGA appearance, but TPTB is TPTB.


I agree with you regarding the RDA appearances, and happily (or as happy as I can be), they are screwing up his character on SA rather then on SG-1 where it would have a much bigger impact.

I caught SA on Friday, and it was a very so-so episode for me. The Quest blew it away, imo. I just find the chemistry between the actors on SG-1 so much better than on SA. I do like Sheppard and McKay, but the others are a little bleh. Anyway, my point is that RDA's guest appearance on SA seemed SOOOOOO out of place. I just don't see O'Neill doing some of the things he was doing in SA. He would have sent someone else to sit in a meeting with the Ancients. Heck, he would have called Daniel in a heart beat. I mean the man was an ascended being himself. If there was any chance of swaying them, it might have come from Daniel.

Jack's character seemed very off in the Atlantis episode, and as a result, I didn't enjoy the episode very much. There were other reasons, of course.

I'm just glad that Jack shows up on SG-1 ONLY when it will make a marked impact. At least that's what I'm hoping. If he does appearances the way he did on SA, it would be very upsetting for this SG-1 fan. I have my fingers crossed that he may be showing up in two more episodes this season. The Shroud, and the series finale - he better be in the series finale.

gatebuster64
September 24th, 2006, 03:04 PM
i agree with maxum, jack just doesn't have his Jackish charisma that made the show so lovable

Maxum
September 24th, 2006, 03:07 PM
This series just gets better and better. How can they fend of the dragon?

I agree. The series is very good. There aren't too many shows that I race home to watch, and SG-1 is one of them. If a show becomes mediocre for me or loses the luster that it once had, I tend to move on. The fact that SG-1 keeps me glued every Friday is a testament to the actors and the writing. Yeah, the miss a beat every now and then, but overall, it's great stuff.

As for the gripes about the dragon, it was a FOUR SECOND scene. Hardly anything that could have ruined the episode for me. The dragon wasn't even remotely the "cliffhanger" of the episode. It was more of a "Oh, another obstacle" moment to the storyline. The real interest in the 2nd part is what they find, and how they will keep it from Adria. SG-1 has two very dangerous enemies in their midst, both wanting access to the Sangraal - one more dangerous than the other in the form of Adria. This woman has a very specific agenda that we are unaware of, with powers and abilities that SG-1 can't fight, and she has made more than a few cryptic references to Daniel. THAT's where the real suspense lies in part 2 of The Quest for me.

It's all about the anticipation - not the dumb dragon. We know they are going to get past the dragon. The dragon's not the cliffhanger at all. It's all about the questions that lay beyond the dragon - How do they get the Sangraal? What is Adria and Baal going to do to prevent SG-1 from taking it? Will SG-1 be successful or will Adria? Will Adria's powers return after reaching the Sangraal? Will Daniel be the one who can actually touch it? If so, what does it mean if he can? Lastly, will anyone get hurt in the midst of this Quest?

Maybe it's just me, but these types of questions make for a good mid-season finale. Is it March yet?

Maxum
September 24th, 2006, 03:11 PM
i agree with maxum, jack just doesn't have his Jackish charisma that made the show so lovable

That's true with regard to Stargate Atlantis. I don't think he's lost his Jackish charm on SG-1. He's only made one appearance this year on SG-1, and he was great in it. The "invisible" Jack on the 200th episode was classic Jack, and his chemistry with the cast, including Ben and Claudia, was just fine.

My problem is the Jack O'Neill that I saw on Stargate Atlantis. Don't know that guy at all. However, it doesn't bother me because SG-1 is where Jack O'Neill SHOULD shine, and he has. I'm a little bummed that he's doing more appearances on SA when he belongs on SG-1, but eh, maybe that show needs more help.

Dani347
September 24th, 2006, 05:14 PM
I think for story purposes they should have either cut or modified the argument between Adria and Ba'al. I know, people are going to say that we wouldn't have gotten the "get a room line" but I think it dilutes the reveal later that she doesn't have any powers other than defensive ones. When she asks Ba'al if he wants to see a demonstration of her powers, right before she has her "I'm too cool to bother" teen brat moment, you can see her eyes look slightly worried, because she can't use them. And, Ba'al looked a bit too confident that she wouldn't be able to. I actually think it was pretty dumb on Adria's part to threaten Ba'al at that time. The more you threaten someone and don't do anything, the more people are going to figure out that the threats are empty.

As for why no one tried to push Adria over the edge, well at the end, Daniel figured out that Adria had a shield that protected her -I'm assuming it also protected her from being pushed into an Abyss. And, before that, I'm thinking the risk that you'd also fall over in the struggle, because I doubt Adria would just stand there and helpfully topple over. And, there's nothing saying a topple would kill her.

suse
September 24th, 2006, 09:03 PM
Feed it Adria.

She's not had time to lose her virginity.
ROTFL! Evil Scarimor! :jack_new_anime06: :samanime27: :indeed:

And it's a great way to get rid of super-baby.

Suse

Galadriel167
September 24th, 2006, 09:06 PM
so did anyone else notice that the cave they go into at the end of the episode looks exactly like the cave they went into in the episode crystal skull?!? :mckay:

Descent
September 24th, 2006, 09:12 PM
so did anyone else notice that the cave they go into at the end of the episode looks exactly like the cave they went into in the episode crystal skull?!? :mckay:

No, I don't see the connection. :S

Gate gal
September 24th, 2006, 09:43 PM
This series just gets better and better. How can they fend of the dragon?
I don't think its a real dragon. Remember the knight Cameron fought last year was also a Merlin thing. It has to be ancient technology. The name that Ba'al has will be the password, and Sam will figure out how to turn the dragon off with it. I'm more curious about how they are going to get the Sangraal and get out of the cave.

And yes, this series does just get better and better!

Mitchell82
September 24th, 2006, 09:50 PM
I don't think its a real dragon. Remember the night Cameron fought last year was also a Merlin thing. It has to be ancient technology. The name that Ba'al has will be the password, and Sam will figure out how to turn the dragon off with it. I'm more curious about how they are going to get the Sangraal and get out of the cave.
It's possible it's a hologram but I bet whatever it is it will be hard to fend off. As to the Sangral, i bet it's not even there.

Queen_Bee
September 24th, 2006, 11:48 PM
ok i realise im going to sound out of touch and like an idiot
but WHAT DID I MISS?? Baal no longer controlled by the head snake. and actually cooperating with others!! what the!
i need to know significant eps in s9 to watch as i refused to watch because of no RDA and new cast members, now i m re hooked with s10, and there a few things that i need to catch up on!!
Toodles
Bee

Descent
September 25th, 2006, 02:07 AM
Baal still has a snake in him, he just knows its pointless to flang his voice around them.

Farscapefan
September 25th, 2006, 02:14 AM
ok i realise im going to sound out of touch and like an idiot
but WHAT DID I MISS?? Baal no longer controlled by the head snake. and actually cooperating with others!! what the!
i need to know significant eps in s9 to watch as i refused to watch because of no RDA and new cast members, now i m re hooked with s10, and there a few things that i need to catch up on!!
Toodles
Bee

The whole season 9 is a MUST WATCH, especially the first 5 episodes and the last two :D

RealmOfX
September 25th, 2006, 03:11 AM
BEWARE!!
The whole season 9 is a MUST NOT WATCH, especially the first 5 episodes and the last two :D

Dani347
September 25th, 2006, 03:14 AM
Every odd number of season 9 is a must watch. But, you will develop boils and your hair will fall out if you watch the even numbers!

Descent
September 25th, 2006, 03:16 AM
Good job staying on topic guys...

Anyone notice that Baal's contribution to the treasure chest puzzle was the same dagger he used to torture Jack with? He said it had "great sentimental value." :baal:

Zoser
September 25th, 2006, 10:03 AM
I agree with you regarding the RDA appearances, and happily (or as happy as I can be), they are screwing up his character on SA rather then on SG-1 where it would have a much bigger impact.

I caught SA on Friday, and it was a very so-so episode for me. The Quest blew it away, imo. I just find the chemistry between the actors on SG-1 so much better than on SA. I do like Sheppard and McKay, but the others are a little bleh. Anyway, my point is that RDA's guest appearance on SA seemed SOOOOOO out of place. I just don't see O'Neill doing some of the things he was doing in SA. He would have sent someone else to sit in a meeting with the Ancients. Heck, he would have called Daniel in a heart beat. I mean the man was an ascended being himself. If there was any chance of swaying them, it might have come from Daniel.

Jack's character seemed very off in the Atlantis episode, and as a result, I didn't enjoy the episode very much. There were other reasons, of course.

I'm just glad that Jack shows up on SG-1 ONLY when it will make a marked impact. At least that's what I'm hoping. If he does appearances the way he did on SA, it would be very upsetting for this SG-1 fan. I have my fingers crossed that he may be showing up in two more episodes this season. The Shroud, and the series finale - he better be in the series finale.
Makes you think the writers and other PTB are not doing their homework!

BJX
September 25th, 2006, 10:11 AM
Good job staying on topic guys...

Anyone notice that Baal's contribution to the treasure chest puzzle was the same dagger he used to torture Jack with? He said it had "great sentimental value." :baal:


Nice catch!

I really liked this episode. It was well constructed, well written, it advanced the ongoing plot, it was a true team episode and all the characters were written well and "in-character". It was also a good Part I, yes the cliffhanger was lame but it's certainly going to be interesting to see if there is a Sangraal, what will happen to Daniel and how will they deal with Adria now that she doesn't have any powers. I find it pretty impossible to really rate the episode although it was alot better then I was expecting and I'm definitely looking forward to Part II. All things considered I liked it and definitely one of my favourites of this season.

Two things I didn't like: 1) The VisFX of the dragon weren't the best, not as bad as the Uninvited VisFX but not really up to Stargate standards and 2) I hate that they had faith as a virtue. Firstly, I personally don't see faith as virtuous, reason or logic seems alot more virtuous to me but hey, and also Daniel's test of faith really wasn't a leap of faith from Daniel so much as it was a reasonable decision to make based on sound logical thinking.

Anywho, good episode, looking forward to Part II.

mizzoueng
September 25th, 2006, 10:22 AM
Ok, really good ep. One thing that I think will play in part 2 is Faith. It was the last thing on the scroll, only Daniel has shown Faith so far. They all had to give up something for Charity. But only Daniel, Teal'c, and Adria answered the riddles. I think Adria is going to show faith and step foreward to block the fire ball with her shield.

The dragon requires a password. In Arthurian Legend, not many dragons exist. None have names, most are thought to be depictions of real world people. The legend of Merlin states that he was to be fed to two sparring dragons, one red, one white. But it is assumed that those dragons depicted Arhtur (white) and Mordred (red) and their constant battles over Camelot. There is also a legend that Merlin had a dragon that he rode into battle with Arthur. This dragon had a name but only Merlin knew it, it was said that in battles with Morganna (Morgan Le Fey) that even with all her magic, she could not hurt the dragon, her magics merely bounced off it or did not touch it (hologram anyone?). Also, Arthurs symbol was a dragon, and was named "Pendragon". Perhaps "Pendragon" in ancient is the answer?

As for how they get out of the cave, from the vignette we see that they are in a large hall, possibly a lab. there seem to be things just laying around. I am guessing it is another one of those things like on Camelot where a whole bunch of treasures appear and you must "choose wisely"

scarimor
September 25th, 2006, 11:28 AM
I hate that they had faith as a virtue. Firstly, I personally don't see faith as virtuous, reason or logic seems alot more virtuous to me...
It ought to come back to bite Daniel in the ass, but I doubt it'll be presented as bravely as it should be.


.. but hey, and also Daniel's test of faith really wasn't a leap of faith from Daniel so much as it was a reasonable decision to make based on sound logical thinking.
And was so predictable, so obvious... and took. him. so. long.

Dani347
September 25th, 2006, 11:32 AM
I don't care how logical it was, it would have taken about 50 mega truckloads of faith to get me to walk through a wall of fire. But, I'm a pyrophobic.

Descent
September 25th, 2006, 11:36 AM
Its Daniel. Hes died how many times now? I doubt hes afraid of such things anymore.

Dani347
September 25th, 2006, 11:43 AM
See, it's not the being dead that I think Daniel would have a problem with. But, I really don't buy that anyone could ever get used to the dying. Especially if it's likely to be painful. Pain isn't something you get used to.

But, besides that, I think facing a wall of fire you're just not likely to remember faith, you're first thought is probably that there's some kind of puzzle that needs to be solved or something. I just have a hard time buying that anyone actually in the situation would automatically think to walk through a freaking wall of fire. It may seem to make all the sense in the world, but there's always that chance that you're wrong.

I certainly wouldn't think of it for awhile. And, not just because I'd probably be shaking someone, screaming "Get me out of here!!!"

Now that I think about it, I think faith would have taken longer in this case. Every other task required some amount of problem solving. Figure out the riddles, figure out the maze, even figuring out that everyone had to contribute something to the charity test, and figuring out that trying to get something was the reason you were trapped. No matter how hard or easy *whistles inconspicuously* those puzzles were, they were still puzzles. The only exception was probably helping the little boy. I think their minds would be on solving mode, not something so difficult and scary as just walking through a wall of fire.

scarimor
September 25th, 2006, 12:01 PM
I just have a hard time buying that anyone actually in the situation would automatically think to walk through a freaking wall of fire. It may seem to make all the sense in the world, but there's always that chance that you're wrong.
Indiana Jones stepped out into the abyss :)

Descent
September 25th, 2006, 12:06 PM
Indiana Jones stepped out into the abyss :)

And Daniel has become something like Indiana Jones these days. I thought it made sense given the character's history, Daniels done stupider things in the past. One would say he has too much faith, they're probably right.

Dani347
September 25th, 2006, 12:06 PM
It's been a looong time since I've seen it, but did he hesitate first?

BJX
September 25th, 2006, 01:25 PM
And was so predictable, so obvious... and took. him. so. long.

That's my point, he didn't even think about it (for long;) ), he just walked straight through without hesitation because he was sure it was just another test and he would be fine. Had it have been the first test, let say to enter the cave, and he really wasn't sure if the Sangraal lay inside but there was say an ancient sign that said it was then he would've had to have taken it as a matter of faith to trust that the ancients weren't luring him into a horrible death.

Queen_Bee
September 25th, 2006, 02:10 PM
the first thing i said when i saw the dragon was
"Yeah right, its not real", i suppose people will throw around all sorts of ideas until march NEXT YEAR!!! :(
i m guessing it could be a test of the mind, since the quest did revolve aroud proving yourself in various characteristics...then again maybe not at all...ooh its all so interesting
well it was nice posting with you guys!
Toodles
Bee

gatebuster64
September 25th, 2006, 02:28 PM
you know what's weird, the Ancients probably dicouraged fire because it represented the Ori, but Arthur sets up a fire wall puzzle and a fire breathing dragon

Maxum
September 25th, 2006, 05:55 PM
But, besides that, I think facing a wall of fire you're just not likely to remember faith, you're first thought is probably that there's some kind of puzzle that needs to be solved or something. I just have a hard time buying that anyone actually in the situation would automatically think to walk through a freaking wall of fire. It may seem to make all the sense in the world, but there's always that chance that you're wrong.

I certainly wouldn't think of it for awhile. And, not just because I'd probably be shaking someone, screaming "Get me out of here!!!"

Now that I think about it, I think faith would have taken longer in this case. Every other task required some amount of problem solving. Figure out the riddles, figure out the maze, even figuring out that everyone had to contribute something to the charity test, and figuring out that trying to get something was the reason you were trapped. No matter how hard or easy *whistles inconspicuously* those puzzles were, they were still puzzles. The only exception was probably helping the little boy. I think their minds would be on solving mode, not something so difficult and scary as just walking through a wall of fire.

Daniel didn't instantly come the realization that the wall of flames and faith were related. When he saw the wall of flames, he and Mitchell immediately started looking for another riddle, and they searched for a little while because Mitchell then said that they should take a break, and Daniel agreed. It was only after sitting for a bit that Daniel realized that Faith was the only virtue left that had not been utilized in their quest for the Sangraal. It was a reasonable deduction that Daniel arrived at based on all the other tests they had just solved. Daniel just stood up and said, "It's the only one left."

What greater test of faith than believing that the flames were not real and wouldn't hurt you? I don't think Daniel wasn't afraid or thought it was a piece of cake to walk through the flames. I think he completely believed that this final test was a test of faith. He steeled himself towards that belief, and was able to pass the final test.

LOVED the mid-season episode! Did I mention that already?

PG15
September 25th, 2006, 06:23 PM
Makes you think the writers and other PTB are not doing their homework!

Not really...Danny was probably just busy, oh, I don't know, trying to find Merlin's weapon.

And I can't think of anyone else who's been exposed to the Ancients more time than Jack.

Maxum
September 25th, 2006, 06:38 PM
Not really...Danny was probably just busy, oh, I don't know, trying to find Merlin's weapon.

And I can't think of anyone else who's been exposed to the Ancients more time than Jack.

Well, Daniel, of course. He was exposed to the Ancients for a whole year.

PG15
September 25th, 2006, 07:57 PM
"anyone else". Guess I should've bolded. ;)

nyxlily
September 25th, 2006, 08:14 PM
What I don't understand is why didn't the test of faith require ALL the participants to show that faith.

Charity: Everyone gave up an item (but there's another issue about that particular puzzle that I won't go into right now)

Kindness: Everyone had to follow the kid and touch the gate in order for it to rise.

Wisdom: -sorta- required everyone to give an answer (or at least think about the puzzles).

Everyone showed prudence while they waited patiently for Sam to solve that time dilation field thing.

I think it'd have been much better if they show the team (and eventually the villains) follow Daniel's example and cross the wall of fire. It'd show their (SG-1's) trust in him. Although I guess it'd be too much to ask of the villains to trust Daniel solely based on his words. Still, I think it'd have been much more interesting if they cross the fire without knowing if he was right.. but their trust in him overcomes their doubts.

Mitchell82
September 25th, 2006, 08:16 PM
BEWARE!!
The whole season 9 is a MUST NOT WATCH, especially the first 5 episodes and the last two :D
Now thats not nice. Just b/c you didn't like it dosent mean others who havent seen it shouldn't.

Mitchell82
September 25th, 2006, 08:20 PM
you know what's weird, the Ancients probably dicouraged fire because it represented the Ori, but Arthur sets up a fire wall puzzle and a fire breathing dragon
I noticed that too, but since he broke all the rules he probably figured no one would "test the water" so to speak and walk through a wall of fire.

nyxlily
September 25th, 2006, 09:18 PM
Arthur went ON a quest for the Saangral, same as SG-1. I believe 'Merlin' set these puzzles up. Unless I missed something?

PG15
September 25th, 2006, 09:33 PM
Morgan set up them traps

nyxlily
September 25th, 2006, 11:12 PM
Ah, yes! It -did- mention Morgan, didn't it? Thanks for reminding me! Yes.. that's the entire point of this post.

Of course, I could add some meaningful discussion into it...

Unfortunately, while typing out my question, I inadvertenly answered it myself. So, yes, this post really is pointless.

RealmOfX
September 25th, 2006, 11:13 PM
The whole season 9 is a MUST WATCH, especially the first 5 episodes and the last two


BEWARE!!
The whole season 9 is a MUST NOT WATCH, especially the first 5 episodes and the last two


Now thats not nice. Just b/c you didn't like it dosent mean others who havent seen it shouldn't.

And some people just don't understand the irony of offering the flip side of an opinion.

Descent
September 26th, 2006, 05:12 AM
And some people just don't understand the irony of offering the flip side of an opinion.

And some don't understand thats not what this thread is about. Stick to the topic or don't post.


Arthur went ON a quest for the Saangral

But it wasn't the same quest that SG-1 is taking on now...right?

Anubis15
September 26th, 2006, 05:20 AM
it was an okay episode for a summer ending i thought it could have a better ending than seeing a dragon, and find out that Daneil waz not true at heart.

:daniel09:

scarimor
September 26th, 2006, 06:48 AM
And some don't understand thats not what this thread is about. Stick to the topic or don't post.
If you had a problem with the thread going off-topic, you should have reported the original off-topic post. Now you've just contributed to the off-topicness. And so have I, curses!

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/scarimor/nuytens/samanime17.gif


But it wasn't the same quest that SG-1 is taking on now...right?
How many Saangral's are there?!

Descent
September 26th, 2006, 06:52 AM
If you had a problem with the thread going off-topic, you should have reported the original off-topic post. Now you've just contributed to the off-topicness. And so have I, curses!

I still stayed on topic though.


How many Saangral's are there?!

It was my understanding that Arthur and the knight's Quest was a different one? Maybe I'm just babbling cause I'm tired, sorry. :o

CrackedButter
September 26th, 2006, 02:34 PM
PUSH... ADRIA... OFF... CLIFF.

She will die inside her shield simply from the force of the shock when she hits the bottomless pit. Even if she doesn't how would she get out of a bottomless pit.

So simple.

mentalmichael
September 26th, 2006, 02:50 PM
It was an okay episode, but how on earth is that a cliff-hanger?

Baal knows the name of the guardian, people!

And also, how on earth to Adria guess that answer?

Horus Guard
September 26th, 2006, 03:53 PM
What if Baal lied to get to Merlins anti-Ori weapon

Seth_like_Ba'al
September 26th, 2006, 04:02 PM
I'm sorry if I'm bursting anyone's bubble, but, that wasn't a dragon at the end, does anyone know what it really was besides me?

Callista
September 26th, 2006, 04:15 PM
I'm sorry if I'm bursting anyone's bubble, but, that wasn't a dragon at the end, does anyone know what it really was besides me?
It kind of looked like a gargoyle to me.

Seth_like_Ba'al
September 26th, 2006, 04:18 PM
Let me discribe it: it had TWO legs and wings, while it did breath fire and was reptilian, it was no dragon. I only noticed because the creature, with the actual name showed up in one of the books I read. And, I don't think it was a gargoyle

Callista
September 26th, 2006, 04:27 PM
How about a Chimera? Although that was supposed to have a lion's head, it did breath fire.
Gargoyles are supposed to protect things from evil spirits (and decorate downspouts, but I didn't see one of those in the cave) so that might make sense.
The Chimera was an evil force I think so I don't think that's what would be in the cave.
So, come on, Seth_like_Ba'al, tell us what you think. You know you want to :p

Seth_like_Ba'al
September 26th, 2006, 04:32 PM
I'm pretty sure it was a Wyvern: a mythical creature depisted as having two legs, a dragon's head, wings and a long tail. That seems more in line with what I saw

Maxum
September 26th, 2006, 05:25 PM
it was an okay episode for a summer ending i thought it could have a better ending than seeing a dragon, and find out that Daneil waz not true at heart.

:daniel09:

We don't know that Daniel isn't true of heart. In fact, I don't think that the crystal on the dais was the Sangraal at all. I think it was a hologram and another test. All will be revealed in Part 2, which is what makes it a great summer ending for me. It's always good to be left with lots of questions for a season ender.

I don't even give the dragon a second thought. They are going to get pass it in less than three seconds after Part 2 airs. The dragon is such an non-issue.

Maxum
September 26th, 2006, 05:36 PM
It was an okay episode, but how on earth is that a cliff-hanger?

It depends on what holds your interest to the next episode. See, everyone is focusing on the cliffhanger being the dragon. For me, the cliffhanger has nothing to do with dragon. We know that Baal is going to reveal the name of the Guardian and the dragon will let them pass. No big deal.

The cliffhanger, to answer your question, in my opinion, lies in all the "other" unanswered questions which were stated earlier in this thread. However, speaking for myself, here is why the episode was so good for me, and why I can't wait for the next episode. I need answers to these questions:

Who will actually get the Sangraal? No guarantee that it will be SG-1. It could very well be Baal. Why is Baal with them in the first place? Yes, he knows the name of the Guardian, but there's more to it than that. Will Adria get her powers back once the Sangraal is taken, and if so, what then? IS Daniel the only person who can actually touch the Sangraal or is that red herring? and last but not least - What is Adria's interest in Daniel and why will it be "harder for him," as she implied after her identity was revealed? I'm sure I'm missing more questions, but those are some of mine.

For me, all these unanswered questions make for a great cliffhanger. No, it wasn't dramatic, but anyone can have a big explosion or a life and death cliffhanger, and SG-1 has done them all. This was something different. I loved it.

Descent
September 26th, 2006, 05:59 PM
Good point Maxum. It wasn't like a "Mr. Worf, fire" cliffhanger or anything. It was more about the questions people still have rather than the dragon.

Cliffhangers have been done to death these days, no thanks to Trek. Its hard to make one compelling these days but I actually thought they did better with this one than with last years mid-season finale.

Dani347
September 26th, 2006, 10:42 PM
PUSH... ADRIA... OFF... CLIFF.

She will die inside her shield simply from the force of the shock when she hits the bottomless pit. Even if she doesn't how would she get out of a bottomless pit.

So simple.


So simple that it would never work. Story wise, they're not going to let their main villian die midway through the season by being pushed off a cliff. And, who says she can be pushed. That pendant gives her defensive powers. I don't think it meant "defensive -except in the event that you get pushed off a cliff, and then you're on your own, Sugarlips"

suse
September 27th, 2006, 07:40 AM
So simple that it would never work. Story wise, they're not going to let their main villian die midway through the season by being pushed off a cliff. And, who says she can be pushed. That pendant gives her defensive powers. I don't think it meant "defensive -except in the event that you get pushed off a cliff, and then you're on your own, Sugarlips"

Well unless she can read minds (and she couldn't/didn't read Valas re:her name) someone could push her off without much warning. Or trip her. I think it would be a great way to get rid of her. Unexpected. Not everything is a grand epic battle.

She might use telekenesis to stop her fall. Possible. Meh. I just want the poorly conceived IMO Ori/Ancient storyline gone.

Suse

DEM
September 27th, 2006, 07:51 AM
someone could push her off without much warning. Or trip her. I think it would be a great way to get rid of her. Unexpected.
And funny as all get out! :D

Zoser
September 27th, 2006, 08:04 AM
I think Adria, when she realizes that Daniel is the key to finding the Sangrael, will abscond with him to keep it out of the hands of the others.
The very lame dragon is a hologram.

scarimor
September 27th, 2006, 08:22 AM
The very lame dragon is a hologram.
I hope not. I want a cyborg minimum. With a dodgy tailpipe. Then they could shove Adria up it.

Uber
September 27th, 2006, 01:42 PM
I hope not. I want a cyborg minimum. With a dodgy tailpipe. Then they could shove Adria up it.You know what could be cool (and therefore will never happen)?

They find out how to defeat the mini-dragonesque like creature. Too easy. Except now, a slightly larger, more menacing one appears. They defeat that one too. A little more difficult but still no sweat. And a third appears...bigger, meaner, smarter. And as they fight it, they start to realize that their strategy for conquering the beasts follow the wrong train of thought because every time they think they've won a newer, bigger version appears.

So they find the real problem and solve it, and the really big, bad dragon disappears because he was merely a physical representation of what their "real" obstacle was.

Sprinkles
September 27th, 2006, 02:32 PM
You know what could be cool (and therefore will never happen)?

They find out how to defeat the mini-dragonesque like creature. Too easy. Except now, a slightly larger, more menacing one appears. They defeat that one too. A little more difficult but still no sweat. And a third appears...bigger, meaner, smarter. And as they fight it, they start to realize that their strategy for conquering the beasts follow the wrong train of thought because every time they think they've won a newer, bigger version appears.

So they find the real problem and solve it, and the really big, bad dragon disappears because he was merely a physical representation of what their "real" obstacle was.

Oooohh, thats a great idea! I like it! :D What do you think the chances are hmmmmm...I know I'm prehaps I'm being overly optomistic here ;) but becuase the solution for Ba'al to just say the command word is SO obvious I'm hoping that they have thought of an really interesting way to deal with the dragon. Your idea is very neat :cool:

scarimor
September 28th, 2006, 03:45 AM
Oooohh, thats a great idea! I like it! :D What do you think the chances are hmmmmm...I know I'm prehaps I'm being overly optomistic here ;) but becuase the solution for Ba'al to just say the command word is SO obvious I'm hoping that they have thought of an really interesting way to deal with the dragon. Your idea is very neat :cool:
Or it could be the baby dragon, and when they poke it and make it squeal its Momma comes and whups 'em all good. And Ba'al being a typical bully cries like a tantrumming toddler when he gets whupped, and his resulting Goa'uldy tears turn out to be magic and fizzle the Momma dragon to scaley-dust, and they all win and take the baby dragon home as a pet and it eats everything. Heh. :cool: ;)

Dr McKay
September 28th, 2006, 09:30 AM
10/10 for this episode, shame about the cruel 6 month wait. i like the fact that adria lost her abilities inside the cave as it allows sg1 etc... to capture hr/kill her etc..

Fargater
September 28th, 2006, 03:25 PM
What I don't understand is why didn't the test of faith require ALL the participants to show that faith.

Charity: Everyone gave up an item (but there's another issue about that particular puzzle that I won't go into right now)

Kindness: Everyone had to follow the kid and touch the gate in order for it to rise.

Wisdom: -sorta- required everyone to give an answer (or at least think about the puzzles).

Everyone showed prudence while they waited patiently for Sam to solve that time dilation field thing.

I think it'd have been much better if they show the team (and eventually the villains) follow Daniel's example and cross the wall of fire. It'd show their (SG-1's) trust in him. Although I guess it'd be too much to ask of the villains to trust Daniel solely based on his words. Still, I think it'd have been much more interesting if they cross the fire without knowing if he was right.. but their trust in him overcomes their doubts.
Heh! I said that three pages or so ago but no one noticed. Well I didn`t say it as well as you though, but still. . .

<<pouts>>


Anyways,
That one should have taken considerable time in the episode because it should be difficult if not impossible for the bad guys to be persuaded to go through. I just hope the second part won`t waste any time on things that could have been left aside to further this plot point. There was so much potential there.

gatebuster64
September 28th, 2006, 04:44 PM
it would be nice if the dragon escaped from the cave, dialed the stargate to earth, and ate all the executives at sci-fi

Dr McKay
September 29th, 2006, 06:17 PM
lol it would be very nice if it did but somehow i dont think that will happen :( daniel forgot they needed to speak the dragons name didnt he?

Dusk
September 30th, 2006, 12:58 AM
Why aren't there any official images for this episode anywhere??

Candy
October 1st, 2006, 09:44 PM
It was a very exciting episode! It was cool they had to go through all those challenges in order to get to the last obstacle. Just like a game. (if they do get merlins weapon) And if that was the last obstacle and the right planet.

memnarch
October 2nd, 2006, 08:22 PM
Good episode! Could kind of see the Adria thing coming, but there were still some unexpected things in it too. Good stuff from everyone, although Teal'c was a little light. As always, Ba'al is great to see. The Dragon also looks very intriguing! Cant' wait til March!



Overall: ***

Dr,jackson
October 3rd, 2006, 04:16 AM
I've seen it today for the 7th time and I still love it! really can't wait to see prt2

Agent_Dark
October 3rd, 2006, 04:25 AM
You know what could be cool (and therefore will never happen)?

They find out how to defeat the mini-dragonesque like creature. Too easy. Except now, a slightly larger, more menacing one appears. They defeat that one too. A little more difficult but still no sweat. And a third appears...bigger, meaner, smarter. And as they fight it, they start to realize that their strategy for conquering the beasts follow the wrong train of thought because every time they think they've won a newer, bigger version appears.

So they find the real problem and solve it, and the really big, bad dragon disappears because he was merely a physical representation of what their "real" obstacle was.
And the real solution to the problem is 'There Is No Dragon' of course ;)

JedI Master of the Gate
October 3rd, 2006, 06:38 AM
Ok could someone please post a picture of this Dragon, I want to see it, and I don't want to wait for the ep to play here in Australia!

Night Marshal
October 3rd, 2006, 09:21 AM
I really liked this Ep, I mean Quest was interesting and The Team was all together for most of the ep. The only Problems I has was to many people, the writers have said that the reason the team was always 4 people is thats four people are easier to writer for, here we had Seven people to balance, Danel was the Face of this Ep as much as anyone followed by Vala. I also wish for more Ball Oresis(sp?) Banter. I mean these are two people that should be looking for any chance to kill each other.

I hope the second half lives up to the first half.

Sprinkles
October 3rd, 2006, 10:58 AM
Ok could someone please post a picture of this Dragon, I want to see it, and I don't want to wait for the ep to play here in Australia!

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sg1/s10/1010/mini/questpt1%5F0851tb.jpg

I'm not sure what to think of it really, I've seen better...but I suppose amazing CGI isn't everything. :)

gatebuster64
October 6th, 2006, 04:02 PM
Ok could someone please post a picture of this Dragon, I want to see it, and I don't want to wait for the ep to play here in Australia!
here's a youtube link but you'll have to wait for the vid to reach the end http://youtube.com/watch?v=eIcxHRZ_weA

HirogenGater
October 7th, 2006, 05:55 PM
here's a youtube link but you'll have to wait for the vid to reach the end http://youtube.com/watch?v=eIcxHRZ_weA
I can't wait to see the conclusion of this episode.

Myn McGeek, Third Sentinel
October 7th, 2006, 06:38 PM
A little late to post here, I know...
Anyway, I'll just say that I LOVED the teamwork!! http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/jumping0041.gif (http://www.thesmilies.com) http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/happy0158.gif (http://www.thesmilies.com)

And an all around good episode, IMO. :) I give it a 9/10.

Heaven
October 9th, 2006, 03:46 AM
A little late to post here, I know...
Anyway, I'll just say that I LOVED the teamwork!! http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/jumping0041.gif (http://www.thesmilies.com) http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/happy0158.gif (http://www.thesmilies.com)

And an all around good episode, IMO. :) I give it a 9/10.
it's never too late for positive feedbck ;)

I think this one truely deserves a 10/10
everyone were great on this one, especially Adria!, amazing acting by Morena Baccarin
the guy who played the old man was also great

Popeston
October 10th, 2006, 01:36 AM
Forget Mitchel, Baal should definetly leade SG-1
This episode is the proof!

The whole 5 virtues thing left me a bit cold though.
The entire Quest thing seemed a bit corny.
Also, there was a a dragon at the end.
Now, I have nothing against dragons generaly but... there was a dragon... at the end... of a Stargate epsiode.
It was bad enough they had Mitchel fighting a kinght at the start of seaon 9.
But luckily the sheer concentration of pure awesome pulled it though
If Jack had been there my head probably would have exploded from it.

Pitry
October 14th, 2006, 01:23 PM
brilliant episode! Loved it!
Yeah, I agree with the nitpicks - not to mention wondering why the hell didn't Daniel push Adria off the cliff - and I hope Ba'al would have a more substential role in part 2, because as much as his bickering with Adria was entertaining, he was just going along for the ride, as Daniel said.... but other than that - loved it.

Don't have as much an issue witht eh dragon. Obviously they're lacking budget (as always...) and they did have to pay for some pretty big SFX earlier in the season - and hell, it looked much better than the Uninvited creature!

I felt the attempt to have everyone in the team be crucial to the plot was a bit blunt and over-done - but hey, at least they're trying! After Memento Mori, it was nice to have Sam again with a crucial part - but can they please remember there's a character named Teal'c? Please? (As much as I loved his "If you don't help us I'll squeeze you through the bars!" to Ba'al).
Neither am I amazed witht he bluntess of the "bad guy characteristics" - the "we have to be kind" bit was so overdone - witht eh baddies unables to see the point, I mean, come on. Seriously.

I have to admt I thought at the beginning with Vala's dream that the Ancients finally decided to interfere.... apparently not. Sigh. Okay, I've been thinking they're idiots for like, forever, but letting them go into the trap that way - and well, The Return, start to finish - hey, no wonder that species died out. Twice.
But that's more for the Return bit.

I dont' mind the D&D/ LoTR spirit - although ti definitely reminded me of Thor's Chariot - more than once. (Speaking of which, didn't Daniel have a problem with heights, once upon a season 2?)

Mmmm. Daniel.
First, as of why Adria referred to him as "pure of spirit" - obviuosly not to her, but to Morgan la-Fey/ the rest of the Ancients. Adria knows she should think on their terms, not her own.
Second... well, yes, pure of spirit. I guess 1 of 4 scenarios?
1. Well, he isn't really. Not anymore. A lot has changed since the wide-eyed archaeologist that was willing to believe and open his mind in Maternal Instinct. He wa dying since Meridian all through season 6, and hey, basically sold his soul to Anubis in Full Circle. Between Full Circle and now, he's got quite a lot of additional tarnish on his spirit. So, who knows?
However, I don't think so. The reason I don't think so is the last stage of the test - the willingness to have faith - was quite the definition of Daniel, and as long as he has that, he'll never lose that purity of spirit. So, #2, and noting the dragon appeared after he failed to take the sangraal - that's what's activating the last part of the security measures, the dragon, afterwards he'd be able to take it.
#3 would be a bit like ascension, and Daniel's feelings in Meridian - while he always tends to see the best in others, he's also always harsh on himself. It's possible that he doesn't believe he's pure of spirit, therefore can't take the sangraal.
and #4 would be the Ancietns not being that dumb and interfering. Yeah, right? Stupid Ancients....

Oh, yeah Mitchell saying "for crying out loud" - WTF?

So great episode. Bring on part 2! Please?....

Freek
October 16th, 2006, 04:14 AM
So what do we expect happens next? I think the Dragon is just a last test, before someone true of spirit can REALLY grab the thing. Ofcourse we know they wont wipe the ori out instantly because the season still goes on for another half. Daniel prolly gets kidnapped by evil kid and turned into a prior, we know that he turns up as one in one of the next episodes

So how do they challenge the dragon, I bet they fire their weapons on the damn thing, with the same "hologram" effect as they did firing on the knight. Ba'al said he holds the key to defeating the dragon, but does he really? He's a Goa'uld after all...

Arctic Goddess
October 20th, 2006, 11:51 AM
Come to think of it...what did the knives look like that he used to torture Jack in S6? Since I couldn't remember what they looked like, those knives were the first thing I thought about when they were in the forcefield and Ba'al said that the knife had personal value and Daniel kind of made a face.

Very good point. That makes sense too. I like that idea very much, that the knife Ba'al had was the same one used to torture O'Neill.

Arctic Goddess
October 20th, 2006, 11:54 AM
So what do we expect happens next? I think the Dragon is just a last test, before someone true of spirit can REALLY grab the thing. Ofcourse we know they wont wipe the ori out instantly because the season still goes on for another half. Daniel prolly gets kidnapped by evil kid and turned into a prior, we know that he turns up as one in one of the next episodes

So how do they challenge the dragon, I bet they fire their weapons on the damn thing, with the same "hologram" effect as they did firing on the knight. Ba'al said he holds the key to defeating the dragon, but does he really? He's a Goa'uld after all...

I think that Adria will have no choice but to extend her personal sheild around all of them, including Ba'al because he has the key word or name to defeat the dragon. Then, one of the other team members will have to retrieve the stone. It would be hilarious if it's Ba'al. But more likely Teal'c.

shipper hannah
October 20th, 2006, 12:26 PM
http://www.stargatecaps.com/sg1/s10/1010/mini/questpt1%5F0851tb.jpg

I'm not sure what to think of it really, I've seen better...but I suppose amazing CGI isn't everything. :)

erm can anyone else see anything?
it just looks like a little black rectangle to me..