Next class of Earth starship ,smaller or bigger than 304?and "Nightwalkers" ship

[ckwongau]

Next class of Earth starship ,smaller or bigger than 304?and "Nightwalkers" ship

I know some people may think that a bigger ship may be better, considering all the other alien have big ships

Goa'uld 's mother ship,Asgard's O'neil class ship,Anubis's super size mothership
Wraith's Hive ship, and Ori's big ship.

I want bigger ship too, but for the moment Earth can't complete with the other Alien in building bigger ship , at least not yet.
If Earth built ship the size of Goa'uld mother ship,they need a ship yard the size of Great Pyramids , Trinium and Naquahah import from offworld would be huge.The offworld mining operation may slow down the production.

i don't think US governement have any underground production facility large enough for building such large ship , and how can they hide such ship yard from people,and labour requirment .The difficulty of keeping that many people from exposing the project to the public.

What about building smaller ship like the Size of Goa'uld cargo ship or Al'kesh.
A cargo ship is not that small, remember a cargo ship is enough for Apophis and 30 to 40 Jaffa in episode 5.01 "Enemies Part 2" .

And an Al'kesh is pretty big as well.

A smaller ship can be more manoeuvrable and faster.
303 and 304 are battlecruiser and carrier,304 were the more evloved verson of 303.
Earth probably require other class of ship to compliment the 304


Remember the ship from S6 "Nightwalkers"
It looks big , but it was build in a small town's abandon shipyard warehouse, it can't be that big .And the Goa'uld were building the ship secret (at least they were trying to originally ) , without any supply of Trinium and Naquahah they probably design it using earth material, it may not be as good as other Goa'uld spaceship.But if Earth scientist can learn from it, they can built a smaller ship with only Earth material.

[freyr's mother]

They're sticking with the 304 because it works well in multiple roles. More prototype classes means more $ being taken out of TPTB's budget. However, I do agree that we need an alkesh type ship.

[Anonmatel]

I agree. We need a new smaller ship, bout half the size of an Al'kesh.
The problam with smaller ships it that they hold less weapons/Ammunition. If a smaller ship was to be built then we'd have to incorperate energy based weapons.

Al'kesh are poinless in space as well (just thought i'd add that) Great for taking out bases on the ground though..

[wise one]

its all to do will cost the dsc-304 cost billions to make and if you want make bigger ones the size of hataks then that would cost bucket loads and the public would notice a big fat ship in the middlle of the nevada

[immhotep]

I agree. We need a new smaller ship, bout half the size of an Al'kesh.
The problam with smaller ships it that they hold less weapons/Ammunition. If a smaller ship was to be built then we'd have to incorperate energy based weapons.

Al'kesh are poinless in space as well (just thought i'd add that) Great for taking out bases on the ground though..

the alkesh are not useless in space
Take a look at exedous, one alkesh took out a hatak, or totally immobilised it...with a decent weapons array ( energy bombers and twin rotating staff cannons), reasonable shielding, cloak, rings, hyerdrive, and size...i think the askesh is the best secondary ship out there because it can be used for loads of things...take a look at how much damage the trust did with just 1...they are versitile and good enough to be worth building something like it.

[Jimbo-DR]

The Alkesh do not have decent shielding. In the episode your referring to it attacked the Ha'tak that SG1 was on when the Ha'taks shields were down, because it had been cloaked. The only reason it was already cloaked was because Tanith was smart enough to have a backup ship waiting in the system for him. Then a single shot from a Goa'uld Ha'tak cannon completely disables it. When it finally gets repaired, Teal'c is able to disable it with like 2 Glider shots, which we already know aren't THAT powerful. I would debate whether it has shields at all, because in the beginning of "48 Hours", Teal'c fires a ripped off glider cannon straight into the Alkesh's cockpit and no shields resist it.

Alkesh are good for ferrying things back and forth and I suppose they are relatively durable, and they have some bombing capabilities. There firepower is iffy, but without decent shielding they are pretty much worthless in any kind of a firefight. Even in "Lost City" we take down Alkesh with 1 or 2 missles without a problem. And it needn't be said that there weapons did pretty much nothing to Prometheus.

[immhotep]

But imagine what we could make out of it...
Add an asgard shield, or just any shield...
upgrade the hyperdrive to 303 standard
replace the energy bombs with gate busters..

We have the makings of a great ship.

[aAnubiSs]

Also, the Al'kesh has alot of empty space for troop transport. If Earth designed a gunship the size, or smaller than, the Al'kesh then it would be perfect for strafing rounds against Hive Ships.

I've been advocated for smaller ships in Pegasus.

We've seen a single missile disabling Wraith hyperdrives, and having a long-range intragalaxy vessel capable of doing this would be better than having a second ZPM IMO.

It's better to have a few offensive ships then being able to defend oneself another two days or something.

With the small size of Pegasus (4,000ly) an Al'kesh-derived ship should have no problem being a milky way mid-ranger.

[jds1982]

I think a smaller ship would be a worthwhile investment for the SGC. Some of the vessels in the original starship design thread would fit the bill nicely. I am especially partial to the Abydos class ship, I really like the story they have where it lands on a Prior

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthrea...t=25173&page=3

[Star Fox]

It would be helpful to have a small scale bomber, having ships much larger then the BC-02 class could get rather tricky to hide, imagine some one hiking that mountain near area 51 and seeing a ship the size of the base sitting outside.....although i doubt anything stargate related is built at area 51, and im sure they have some bigg underground hanger like the old one Prometheus used to occupy where they Daedalus and Odyssey are serviced, and whatever the next ship will be is being built

Although nothing about where and how the BC-02 class is built has ever even been mentioned, so we dont really know for sure where and how their built

Smaller ships like the F-302 im sure are built a say the Boeing plant in washington state, or some lockheed plant some where, an alkesh size ship could potentionaly be built in an existing ex-commerical jet factory since its small enough..


Also i dont think the alkesh has any shields, because if you remember when Tealc got trapped in the gate he sent a single Large Staff shot at the bridge and the ship when down, so i dont think they have any shields at all, and remember in antartica 2 missles from the F-302's brought down an attacking alkesh

[hotshotalpha1]

how about a ship crewed by 5 man , carries 100,000 pound payload , and has a remote 25mm vulcan cannon in the tail for self-defence. capable of hyperspace a roughly the size of a Alkesh. Also is fitted for limited commmand and control, electronic warfare, recon and in lieu of ordance troop transport/assult dropship or cargo carrage.

[Wraith_Hunter]

Also, the Al'kesh has alot of empty space for troop transport. If Earth designed a gunship the size, or smaller than, the Al'kesh then it would be perfect for strafing rounds against Hive Ships.

I've been advocated for smaller ships in Pegasus.

We've seen a single missile disabling Wraith hyperdrives, and having a long-range intragalaxy vessel capable of doing this would be better than having a second ZPM IMO.

It's better to have a few offensive ships then being able to defend oneself another two days or something.

With the small size of Pegasus (4,000ly) an Al'kesh-derived ship should have no problem being a milky way mid-ranger.

An Al'kesh wouldn't stand a chance against a Hive ship. A 302 in Lost City took down an Al'kesh, we've seen Teal'c take it with the modified Glider gun etc.

What do you think wopuld happen if a Hive weapon hit an Al'kesh, 1 direct hit & it'd be toast. Look at it this way, it takes 2 Drones to take out a Ha'tak, whil;e it take sliterally 100/1000's to destroy a Hive. Think of the difference between a Ha'tak & an Al'kesh & I think you'll see just exactly how big a scale that is!

A smaller ship would only be used for a couple of things, if they could shorten it enough to go through the Stargate, however make the length go much longer than a PJ, then it could be used as a transport between galaxies. For instance Daedalus take 2, 1 in each bay originally. Leaves the 2 in Pegasus. When they need to send stuff back to Earth. they simply send it to the Spacegate that's connected to the Supergate, then send it through. It comes out on the other side back in the MW where it's met by a 304 & taken back to Earth within a few hours or so. Stuff like that, then it's far better to be using such a ship. Simply because it saves on ZPM power to connect between galaxies or saves 18 days to wait on Daedalus to transport it back.

However for actually taking on Hives, then it simply wouldn't stand a chance. Firstly, it's shields wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as that of a 304. Therefore if they can't stand up to a Hives weapons, then something much smaller wouldn't stand a chance in hell. So it couldn't get closer either etc to let of any missiles.

The only way smaller ships the size of an Al'kesh would work are if they incorporated all the Asgard/Lantean technology in them. This means Asgard shields/engines/beaming tech/scanners/sensors + a form of energy based weapons system. Then add in Drone turrets + a PJ cloak & you have yourself 1 hell of a ship. Especially if powered by a ZPM. If they could do all that, then I feel that there would be virtually no ship that could stop them at all in the SG universe. Goa'uld ships wouldn't stand a chance, Wraith ships wouldn't stand a chance.

I also feel Ori ships couldn't do nothing either. Simply because they couldn't detect a claoked cargo/scout ship in 'Pegasus Project', then if you think Ancient cloaks are far more advanced. Then it could sneak right up beside them & beam in nukes, launch missiles, drones or whatever.

Sadly the writers will never do this, if they won't even give a 304 some crappy energy based weapon that's been stripped from an Al'kesh or even a Glider. Then there's no chance in hell of them writing in a ship of such power.

They already have such a ship in their possession in the shape of a PuddleJumper. All they need to do is have Hermiod work on it, install a shield that functions alongside the Cloak & also beaming technology. Then have the Earth guys put missiles in the Drive pods or somewhere on top of the PJ, accompanies by rail guns at the sides + mini guns looking back for any attacking Darts etc. Then they could do that fairly easily. Much easier than building it from Scratch. They already have the Ancient sensors/Drones/Cloak etc. All that needs is Asgard to do a little retro-fitting & Human weapons.

As before though, they'll never do it for 1 simple reason. That would make it too easy to wipe out the Wraith. Think of this: PJ sneaks up on Hive while cloaked. The Hive doesn't sense anything so doesn't have the jammer activated, it then gets a nuke beamed aboard & boom it's gone.

Also I think this is why the writers originally put it that PJ's can't fire while claoked. We've never seen them do this ever. So that prevents them from sneaking up on a Hive & unleashing a bunch of Drones. They'd have to uncloak, while leaves them vulnerable to being destroyed by a single Hive blast. However if they couldn't fire Drones, then could use Earth based nukes while beaming or even warheads fired from close range. That would be just as effective.

This is why they'll never give them good ships, sadly however with the way things are going, I really think S4 will be the last, so I fear we'll never see an Earth built ship with any form of energy weapons incorporated into it!

[Dr. Who]

I think they need to make a ship that has a very powerful power supply with as many weapons as can be put on. What they need is a cruiser to pound the crap out of the ori.

[death19]

This is why they'll never give them good ships, sadly however with the way things are going, I really think S4 will be the last, so I fear we'll never see an Earth built ship with any form of energy weapons incorporated into it!

Well what can i say,

Spoiler:

it did and we saw it well two, and heard of a third

[GuHNDoi]

This is something I have thought about for a while.

Completely Earth built Mid Range cruisers, could maybe be troop-transports and escorts for 304s.

Say a 304 gets into a battle, a squadron of smaller mid rangers and 302s would compliment 304s well I think. More targets for an opponent to lock on to and spread the enemies fire thinner, and the mid rangers being faster can inflict more damage on a ship. All the while 302s concentrate on fighters.

I do not know much about strategic battle movements or ariel fighting and whatnot but it should be time that such tech is introduced in a future movie.

Thats my 2 cent worth.