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GateWorld
July 14th, 2006, 02:52 PM
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Ronon Dex is captured by the Wraith and returned to his homeworld, where he is haunted by his past as he is forced to once again become their prey.

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Pharaoh Atem
August 4th, 2006, 08:02 PM
this episode had everything. it was like a mini movie.

It was great to see what Jason is capable of as actor and hopefully has earned some respect from the Pro Ford fans. who are always looking down at him as the guy that just replaced Ford.

Sateda is what Atlantis should be and it shows that SGA has a bright future

smushybird
August 4th, 2006, 08:02 PM
I don't know who wrote this ep, but can you please have him write every ep? Please?

Tell me who wrote this! He is to be worshipped.

Action, excitement, and expressions of real feeling. Humor, tension, great dialogue. Everyone deliciously in character. Everyone getting a chance to shine.

Actual honest-to-goodness character development! Touching! Hugs! Holy cow.

One of the best SGA eps ever. I hope this trend continues.

Shep and Teyla...Rodney and Carson...Ronon and Shep...poor Ronon...wow...

I am dazzled, impressed, and so glad I taped it. :D

Who is the new guy? Did they replace Lorne?

siXbrownSnakes2
August 4th, 2006, 08:03 PM
I'll just start by saying that was one HELL of an episode.

All the great episodes for me seem to go by slowly. This was Atlantis at it's finest. We got character interaction from EVERYONE, development for Ronon, and one hell of a dramatic hour.

The scene between Sheppard/Teyla was perfect. I don't ship for anyone on the show, and I personally don't really care what happens as long as I know the characters are a team. This episode brought the TEAM together and that's a great thing.

10/10 from me, great direction AND writing from Rob cooper.

Progeny looks great too.

Dromag67
August 4th, 2006, 08:03 PM
Awesome episode!

Great character moments that surpassed all of season 2.

Ronan officially rocks the house.
:ronan:

By the way, why is the "Irresistable" screencap on there for Sateda in the original post.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 4th, 2006, 08:03 PM
This was the best episode of the season. And Rodney got shot in the ASS!!! That was pretty cool. Next weeks ep look better.

Deathshot
August 4th, 2006, 08:04 PM
The Wraith Boss just got owned lol.

Great Episode!

TechnoBoY
August 4th, 2006, 08:04 PM
I'm still wondering is gate guy changed hairstyles or if they changed gate guy.

I didnt really like this episode truthfully. It's like they tried a little too hard to be "cool". Lots of bits and pieces that were great, but overall, just average, slightly tacky. But then again I'm really critical, so yah.

Descent
August 4th, 2006, 08:04 PM
I don't know who wrote this ep, but can you please have him write every ep? Please?

Rob Cooper wrote this episode AND directed and might I say he did an incredible job on both sides. This is THE best episode yet this season, purely amazing. :ronan:

10/10 from me!!

Mitchell82
August 4th, 2006, 08:05 PM
I'll just start by saying that was one HELL of an episode.

All the great episodes for me seem to go by slowly. This was Atlantis at it's finest. We got character interaction from EVERYONE, development for Ronon, and one hell of a dramatic hour.

The scene between Sheppard/Teyla was perfect. I don't ship for anyone on the show, and I personally don't really care what happens as long as I know the characters are a team. This episode brought the TEAM together and that's a great thing.

10/10 from me, great direction AND writing from Rob cooper.

Progeny looks great too.
I agree exellent episode! This did indeed have everything. Next weeks looks great too is it Firday alreadY!

MarshAngel
August 4th, 2006, 08:05 PM
Finally an episode I got excited about, was impressed by and had everything I've wanted to see for a good long while. This was by far the best episode of this season and the last. The balance was wonderful and everyone got to participate in some meaningful way and there was some actual characterization :) impressive.

But if I have to say something negative it's this: if they can produce episodes like this I see no reason for us to suffer through some of the truly imperfect and plot-hole riddled episodes we've been subjected to.

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
August 4th, 2006, 08:06 PM
Yar, best episode of Atlantis ever. We FINALLY got some real TEAM development going, Ronon, Teyla, and Shepperd got real character development, and Carson feels more a part of the show then ever.

Atlantis at its finest.

OVERALL: ****

gatelover12
August 4th, 2006, 08:06 PM
Atlantis has redeemed itself. Best ep for SGA EVER. And vindication for my shipper views! You have GOT TO LOVE IT.

Dromag67
August 4th, 2006, 08:06 PM
But if I have to say something negative it's this: if they can produce episodes like this I see no reason for us to suffer through some of the truly imperfect and plot-hole riddled episodes we've been subjected to.


Bingo on that one, they need to look at this episode and look at all the things they did right and improve even more.

xSokarx
August 4th, 2006, 08:07 PM
That had to be the best episode of SGA EVER!!!

freyr's mother
August 4th, 2006, 08:07 PM
What a terrific ep! There were so many character confrontations going on. I loved it. The whole Beckett/McKay banter was hilarious. Then JM's acting was really awesome. Wow! Whoever wrote this should write every ep.

MarshAngel
August 4th, 2006, 08:08 PM
Am I the only one who thought the Wraith King was rather Unas-like? It was kind of amusing.

gatelover12
August 4th, 2006, 08:08 PM
In fact, I pledge in the presence of all of you to never diss Atlantis ever again. Unless they kill Teyla, they can never screw it up. I want this ep to bear my children.

sarievenea
August 4th, 2006, 08:09 PM
OH MY FREAK.

I just found a new favorite SGA ep. I cannot even believe how good that was!!! Ronon kicked it! And the character moments were PERFECT! I love seeing a depth to Rodney, and Sheppard is adorable. I loved his conversation with Teyla. It was great seeing that they are a team, they care about each other, all the stufff we knew all along but never got to see.

Beauty is "Sateda"!

:ronan: :teyla: :sheppard: :mckay: :beckett:

gatelover12
August 4th, 2006, 08:09 PM
Am I the only one who thought the Wraith King was rather Unas-like? It was kind of amusing.
He was! A spike and he'd of been a dead ringer for Chaka.

Dromag67
August 4th, 2006, 08:09 PM
Beautiful team episode, the only thing better would be for SG-1 to have a bonding episode like this.

Merlin7
August 4th, 2006, 08:10 PM
Meh. I didn't hate it, but it wasn't anything to keep my interest either. Basically I was bored. It was predictable to the point where I called Rodney getting hit in the bum before it happened. And the spoilers for the ep were THE EP! I knew that Ronon would sacrifice himself for Shep and Teyla. They would go after him. Ronon would fight and survive Wraith after Wraith. Even his back story flashes were exactly what the spoilers said so I predicted them too.

John and Rodney on the floor was a sweet moment.

John NOT expressing himself to TEyla was really nice.

John suddenly feeling the need to lie about how many Wraith he killed? STUPID! He doesn't have to prove himself to anyone, least of all Ronon or Teyla and he knows it. That was just STUPID STUPID writing.

And Rodney and Carson were used for Comedy in what should have been a serious ep. So...meh.

MarshAngel
August 4th, 2006, 08:10 PM
In fact, I pledge in the presence of all of you to never diss Atlantis ever again. Unless they kill Teyla, they can never screw it up. I want this ep to bear my children.

I'm so excited about how good that was I actually almost share that sentiment. I finally feel vindicated for having watched all the episodes. This one actually made up for a lot.

freyr's mother
August 4th, 2006, 08:11 PM
Am I the only one who thought the Wraith King was rather Unas-like? It was kind of amusing.
That had to be the ugliest wraith they've ever shown us...but in a good way.

The only thing that I thought they could have added was maybe rescuing some of the other runners that they could track.

Pharaoh Atem
August 4th, 2006, 08:12 PM
Rob Cooper wrote this episode AND directed and might I say he did an incredible job on both sides. This is THE best episode yet this season, purely amazing. :ronan:

10/10 from me!!
100% agree i already want to see it again

IWantToBelieve
August 4th, 2006, 08:13 PM
I loved this episode. I have to say, the way they are working with the characters this season, big big kudos to them, because it is making it so much more to watch. I was feeling kind of 'eh' about how this would turn out but it blew me away. Much love. Definitely 10/10. The Sheppard - Teyla scene was wonderful to get.

SilverLily
August 4th, 2006, 08:13 PM
Wow :eek: :eek: :eek: That ep was absolutely incredible! I had high expectations and it definitely lived up to them! Great character development as well ;-) I'd say it's about a 12/10 Gotta love SGA!!!!!! :) :) :)

Daniel's Sister
August 4th, 2006, 08:15 PM
This episode was so cool!!!

I really liked the back story we got for Ronon :ronan: . The action with him was so good. :ronananime16: :ronananime01:

My bro and I were kinda worried that it would start out really good, and then flop. But, Wrighters, you did a great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was feeling sorry for Ronon.
And Ronon seemed so nice at the end.... a side that we don't get to see to often. :ronananime28:

I also liked the part with John (:sheppardanime31: ) and Teyla (:teyla25: ) . The part when they were on the ship and John was saying how much everyone was like his family.

And the part when Rodney got shot in the butt... classic (He didn't seem like this: :mckayanime18: before. He looked more like a baby. )

siXbrownSnakes2
August 4th, 2006, 08:15 PM
I never really thought of Ronan as a character that had potential to become something good until this episode. And Atlantis as a show needed the team bonding. It was episodes like these that SG-1 had in its early seasons and the team was really brought together fast. More plz.

lowriders95s10
August 4th, 2006, 08:17 PM
Wow that was simply amazing Rob you are the man

RedGuard
August 4th, 2006, 08:18 PM
Definitely a great episode. Especially being able to learn more about Ronon's past because it defines who he is. An episode I will watch again any chance I get.

Descent
August 4th, 2006, 08:19 PM
They said they were gonna amp up the team interaction and connectivity this season...with this episode they definately delivered. I hope we see much more of this caliber of writing.

AGateFan
August 4th, 2006, 08:20 PM
This ep was quite impressive.
I enjoyed it quite a lot.
It was nice to get background on a character (ironic that it was the last character to join the cast, but still it was very good).
I was quite impressed with him and the actor. I could feel the guilt he felt for the death of those people. Very nice.

I also liked all the characters in this ep. Shep was quite funny with his counting. Teyla was even more cool then in the past. Mckay and Beckett fighting over who was going to go save the day and then ACTUALLY saving the day was quite cool. The wraith had personality. Weir and Caldwell had some nice little scenes too.

Very nice, two thumbs up. Glad I watched this one.

Dromag67
August 4th, 2006, 08:20 PM
I want to know more and more about Sheppards past now, he seems like hes had a very depressing past.

gatelover12
August 4th, 2006, 08:21 PM
That my friends was well done ship. You may never see it again so I suggest you watch that convo several more times and capture the essence. :sheppardanime23: :teylaanime03:

blingaway
August 4th, 2006, 08:25 PM
BAM bam buh-BAM, buh-BAM bam buh-BAM! I wanna be Sateda'd!
*wonders how many of the geeks around here are Ramones fans*

DANIquinn
August 4th, 2006, 08:27 PM
WOW OH WOW OH WOW!

LOVED IT! Great writing, great directing, great acting...

Favorite scene had to have been the Sheppard/Teyla scene. The way she filled in the blanks...wonderful!

And Ronan kicking Wraith a$$...Rodney getting shot in the a$$...Oh, so much to love.

Bow down to the glory that is Sateda!

vaberella
August 4th, 2006, 08:27 PM
100/10

This was the most excellent episode of the season, yet and probably for the long haul. All the promotion, all the commotion it was bloody fabulous. I have not even seen a film this good, let alone a tv show to have such a balance of action, emotion, companionship, friendship, honor, courage, and all the adjectives that make being human great.

I cannot say enough about the acting of the cast, they were at their best. The Ronon alone moments made me emotional, coming from a hard life and losing people you love, even tv can bring out a bit of emotion. I mean parts that I thought would wussify Ronon actually made him stronger. Mainly seeing him in those armbands---I ignored that fashion disaster. But there was also him as a normal villager, very 1920s Protestant-esque, but he was handsome.

His wife was lovely and unfortunately dead, but her sense of honor over rode her sense of survival. She was sweet, although the clips that were supposed to be in the ep, that were roaming the thread were cut out.but they were totally unnecessary.

John/Teyla/Ronon: Fantastic. The energy between the three of them were just great. It was a partnership and I loved that about them. I always like the threesome pairing and they fully came through. I knew that John and Teyla would be far more behind Ronon than the others, and that definitely showed through.

John/Teyla: Now I hope this stops peopel from asking why I'm a J/T shipper. I mean that was shipperness at full tilt. I was squeeing...because there was nothing that could be denied in that ep. Nothing easily thought of. Of course people will be like Teyla didn't show much, but the man was already uncomfortable...what did anyone want from her. And it was a great friendship moment. It was them talking and Teyla's statement at the end..'Thank you, for all the things you did not say.' Fantastic. I mean she understands Shep and finished his entire sentences, she could read him and that showed. And it also showed that he feels comfortable enough with Teyla and holds her in enough and high esteem that he would allow her to see that part of him. Was that fantastic?! 2 seasons of testing the waters..yeah this was bloody worth it. But this is not going to be the focus, but just a great moment. Everyone saw John check out Teylas assets right, can't blame him. And people who were disgusted by Teyla's top..it was decent for what women wear and she was fully covered. That top was not as low as any other top I've seen on ANY of the other actresses in an ep.

John: Bloody great. I'm talking about full feldged fantastic. My fellow Thunkers....Peace be to our man. He came through on so many levels. I mean his acting, his portrayal and we got a snippet into him and his more emotional side. It was beautiful and I love seeing Shep fighting for his people, and also it shows that he does know and is aware of the underlying animosity from the Atlantis Ex to members of his team. He knows it, and he tries to be enough for his people, and he came through on again. I can't harp on enough on John himself in this ep.


Teyla: She was great. I can't say enough, her acting of course was on par. She showed her devotion to her team, her care, and her allegiance. And she showed how much she obviously cared for both Ronon and John. And she showed that she recognized what John has done from her from the beginning. This is for all the people who thought otherwise of John's treatment of Teyla. He has made sure that she and the rest of his team are treated with respect and I like that Teyla sees that. She was great, very mommy-esque for Ronon. It was sweet.

McKay/Beckett: Okay they were great together, very scientific...or stereotype, not much action in the sense of danger but lots of talk. And they showed that they cared. Which is not much saying for McKay. But that's another thing I loved about McKay, he comes across as a prick, but in reality he really cares for his team and for those he's friends with. It's at those moment I really love that I love his character. As for Beckett, Beckett gets balls when he's in danger, it reminds me of when he was in The Eye/Storm---it was similar characterization. And how did I know that they would end up talking up a spree before they would get there..and all the wraith woudl be elmininated.

Mckay: As I mentioned he was great. He was McKay, and he was funny. I loved that scene of him getting shot in the arse..I laughed by own arse off..he screamed like a girl. And then there was when he was arguing with Shep about Ronon....great moment in time..same goes for him and Beckett. Great all around ep.

Beckett: Who can say anything bad about Beckett?! Really?! He was fun and fantastic and that hug with him and Ronon, it was precious. It's like what someone would call a 'KODAK Moment'.


Caldwell/Weir: It took long enough for some of that to come to a head. And do I love Caldwel, yes, because he was in the bloody right. I think John was off in regards to his estimation of Caldwell. Since it's true the Daedy was hurt and he did risk his life and the life of his crew for John, McKay, and Ronon already. That was way too much to ask..but he still did what he could and I loved that. Weir...well she was there and she did a bit of recrimination..but not really anything about her.


Now, saving the best for last of course.

Ronon: He was FANTASTIC!! The amount of matrix moves. The move he did when he had the wraith to his back and front...my sister even went 'oh s***!'. It was great. I mean who ever bashes the writers, at this point they were on top of their game, they were spiritually enspired. They maintained action, and balanced it impeccably with drama. It was fantastic on more than these levels. It wasn't a fluff piece, but definitely a piece that will go down in SGA if not SG history. Ronon has now pretty much beat all characters. If only they could do that with John---and Teyla; I would be ecstatic. I think something similar is being made for Teyla anyway. But his wife, and the moments with that village. When he would kill himself for his team mates. The energy and the comaraderie was palpable. I loved it. It really had everything.

SG writers you were great. This was definitely worth all the hoopla.

Now I will go off and squee with my fellow J/T shippers and Ronon Lovers (from the beginning)!! Before I watch it for a second time on Scifi!!


100/10
:ronan: :teyla: :sheppard: :mckay: :beckett: :weir: :hammond: <--(hammond doubles as Caldwell---we realy need a Caldwell emoticon!!)

Pharaoh Atem
August 4th, 2006, 08:30 PM
So What happen on SG-1 tonight ;) .....(joke)

khd
August 4th, 2006, 08:30 PM
I thought the writing for this episode was good. And obviously it has top notch action. But what most impressed me was the camera work, the lighting, and just the overall style of this episode; definetly not the norm, very BSGish.

Plus, when Beckett "Droned" the wraith, is easily the funniest moment of the season so far.

Descent
August 4th, 2006, 08:30 PM
I want to know more and more about Sheppards past now, he seems like hes had a very depressing past.

Indeed. Seems like a lot of his friends either died or left them and (apparently) he doesn't have much family. Poor Shep. :sheppardanime32:

Daniel's_twin
August 4th, 2006, 08:30 PM
This was one of their best episodes to date. The whole backstory to Ronan was excellent. Also found out the Wraith do in fact keep their word. Think about it. Are any Wraith likely to cull a planet that has no life on it? Twisted, but that is the Wraith for you.

Man, I still cannot believe what an episode this was! This was the first episode of Atlantis in a long time IMO that was actually a little better than SG-1. As my sister said earlier, I was slightly afraid that the ending might flop. Oh, do not give me that look. They have come up with good plots in the past that dropped like dead locusts at the end (first episode with the Genii anyone?), but this one completely delivered. It stayed intense from the moment Ronan was dropped on Sateda to when the final showdown with the Wraith came on. Came very close to overtaking Critical Mass as my fav ep of Atlantis. The action was great, the music was so different. There was a whole lot more to it, but I think I can discuss that with the rest of ya as this thread progresses. In the meantime, I give this 5 out of 5 stars. Keep up the good writing PTB!

EDIT: as a side note, also note Carsons character development. When he grabbed the gun, Rodney yelled to him that he was just a doctor. Becketts response? "So!?!" as opposed to his usual response of the fact he is not a "bloody military officer." :cool:

prion
August 4th, 2006, 08:31 PM
Whoa, very good ep!

Okay, not a ton of depth, but we did get some tidbits on just how dysfunctional a family Sheppard's team is - he's emotionally repressed, McKay is, well, he's McKay - he's expresses emotion in a guarded fashion, while I guess Teyla and Beckett are more emotionally developed, and it's no wonder Ronon is the way he is after all he went through on Sateda alone!

Loved when Rodney got shot. Yes, an arrow in the butt will HURT so screaming about it is what 99.999% of us would do in the same situation. Not sure about being doped up morphine, but Demoral is the same. Happy happy spacey spacey, feel no pain ;)

toranoko
August 4th, 2006, 08:37 PM
I loved the episode! So did my two friends who just started watching Stargate. And my little brother. And my mom.

However, my very critical sister would only say it was better than usual, to which I agree. Best episode this season, by far.

And /everyone/ laughed when McKay got shot.

vaberella
August 4th, 2006, 08:37 PM
Meh. I didn't hate it, but it wasn't anything to keep my interest either. Basically I was bored. It was predictable to the point where I called Rodney getting hit in the bum before it happened. And the spoilers for the ep were THE EP! I knew that Ronon would sacrifice himself for Shep and Teyla. They would go after him. Ronon would fight and survive Wraith after Wraith. Even his back story flashes were exactly what the spoilers said so I predicted them too.

John and Rodney on the floor was a sweet moment.

John NOT expressing himself to TEyla was really nice.

John suddenly feeling the need to lie about how many Wraith he killed? STUPID! He doesn't have to prove himself to anyone, least of all Ronon or Teyla and he knows it. That was just STUPID STUPID writing.

And Rodney and Carson were used for Comedy in what should have been a serious ep. So...meh.

Not stupid...a bit of comedic relief, nothing else, nothing more. It's the whole thing of---a girl better than me. And it was cute and made me laugh.

The Rodney/Carson thing was good. I think it was a serious ep for 3 people...meaning Ronon/Teyla/John. They went through the experience of really seeing Ronon at his worse, not Rodney or Carson...and further more they came through.

I liked..and the wraith was nasty.


By the way I loved that final part where Ronon did his ninja---intimidation yell and moves. My sis was like...and that's why McKay called him a 'caveman'. :D


Great ep..as you all already know.

starfox
August 4th, 2006, 08:38 PM
I am madly in love with this episode. It was a fantastic, team-strengthening episode that gave us a look at Ronon's life before the Wraith and the bonds within the team.

While I will admit that I was greatly irked by the fact that Rodney was made into comic-relief guy in the beginning of this episode (especially since the comic-relief wasn't at all needed), it was overcome by the sheer awesomeness of everything else.


Rob Cooper did a brilliant job on all aspects of this ep. The direction of this was just magnificent. The camera angles, the way the fight was set-up; this was not only an example of extremely bad-ass fighting and explosions, this was a showing of how you can combine said pillars of macho battle with emotional depth and come out with something worth watching multiple times.

The Sheppard-Teyla conversation was possibly the most genuine non-anger-based emotion we've seen out of the man since the beginning of the series. It was good to see how much he really does care about his team, excuse me, his family.

Teyla's lead-in to the conversation was interesting as well. She mentioned how welcoming Sheppard and Weir have been; it makes me wonder how the people who aren't part of the command staff treat Teyla, especially those who haven't been there the whole time. I'm sure Ronon gets his share of not-so-friendly treatment as well, but with the attitudes towards women in a mostly-male environment to deal with, I'm sure Teyla has a lot to deal with from that angle.

Ronon's wife. Dear me, that angle. I have to admit, I didn't even think about the possibility of him having been married until I saw it in the spoilers. While I'm not too enamoured of the way the actress played it, the thought of Ronon having been married, of him trying to get her out of there, and then watching her die? That's powerful. To lose your squadron and then lose your wife, too? Men have been destroyed by less. But Ronon still had the will to live, still had the strength to run. That says a lot about the will to survive and the strength of the character.

And I love that Carson saved the day. I love it so much. The moment when they uncloaked the jumper was just so perfect, and having Carson release the drone was just all levels of great.

I love Ronon's thank you to everyone at the end. And the fact that he hugged Carson. It was just touching without being overly saccharine. It rounded things out nicely.

All in all, simply fantastic episode. 8.8/10

blingaway
August 4th, 2006, 08:39 PM
100/10
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[lots of entirely justified Vab. squeeing]
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SG writers you were great. This was definitely worth all the hoopla.
...



You forgot to thank the Director of Photography. And the Editor. Bloody hell. They've ruined us. Nothing else will ever be good enough.

Kanten
August 4th, 2006, 08:40 PM
I'm going to look like such a nitpicker here, but does anyone else notice in the first post that the ep number, photo, and link are all for Irresistible instead of Sateda? Just a minor error.

the fifth man
August 4th, 2006, 08:40 PM
IMO, this was one of the best SGA episodes we've seen to date. I enjoyed it from start to finish. I've never been a huge fan of Ronon since he replaced Ford on the show, but this episode easily tripled how much I like him as a character now. Great job on this one, PTB.:)

Merlin7
August 4th, 2006, 08:40 PM
Not stupid...a bit of comedic relief, nothing else, nothing more. It's the whole thing of---a girl better than me. And it was cute and made me laugh.




By the way I loved that final part where Ronon did his ninja---intimidation yell and moves. My sis was like...and that's why McKay called him a 'caveman'. :D


Great ep..as you all already know.

Nope. Not comic relief to me. Rubbed me the wrong way entirely.
I'm glad so many people think this ep was awesome and are all asquee. I got nothing out of it. Just...meh.

Sela
August 4th, 2006, 08:41 PM
I really like this one because they gave us a lot of good backstory on our SGA team members. We got to see a lot about who they were as people and why they act like they do which will help us to understand them better in the future. Ronon on his homeworld remembering it's fall was spectacular. I also liked the bonding scene between Rodney and John. Very brotherly, very nice.

One thing though, can we lightening up on the Rodney bashing for a while? Last week it was a lemon, this week they shot him in the butt with an arrow. Must he be humiliated on each show? It's enough already. Let the poor neurotic rest. ;)

coolove
August 4th, 2006, 08:41 PM
I thought this episode was pretty good. I enjoyed watching Ronan go on a rampage on Sateda but found a lot of Ronan's expressions to be over the top. I wasn't fond of the flashbacks... kinda of bore and not as interesting as what was going on in the present. But I absolutely loved the conversation between Shep and Teyla. I didn't think it was possible to love Sheppard even more. It is.

There's another thing that bothered me about this episode. It seems that every critical situation that comes up it's always the team against Caldwell. It's rather annoying.

Descent
August 4th, 2006, 08:43 PM
John suddenly feeling the need to lie about how many Wraith he killed? STUPID! He doesn't have to prove himself to anyone, least of all Ronon or Teyla and he knows it. That was just STUPID STUPID writing.

No it wasn't, it made a lot of sense. Think about it...has Sheppard ever won againist Teyla in their sparring matchs? No, now Teylas trying to beat him at what he does best: wraith killing. Jeez people. :mckay:

FoolishPleasure
August 4th, 2006, 08:43 PM
If the writers can come up with episodes like this, then why did we have to sit through previous garbage like "The Tower", "Epiphany", Inferno", and last week's masterpiece of literature, "Irresistible"??

This episode should have been done towards the end of last season to solidify Ronon's place on the team. Jason Momoa is a very good actor who has not been given much of a chance until now, and it should stop all the complaints about Ronon being a "non-character". Showing the loss of his home, his friends, especially his wife, makes his life more tragic than just being a runner, and explains why he always flies off the handle when Wraith are around, especially scenes in "Instinct" and the Michael eppys. I just hope the writers don't hit "reset" and kick Ronon to the curb in the future. He is a marvelous character.

Sheppard's talk about Teyla, Elizabeth, Ronon, Rodney, Carson all being like family to him was nice, and admitting he could never say what he wanted to say is something that should have been explored way back in season 1. Again, no questions were answered about just WHO Sheppard is or why he feels so alone. Season 2's womanizing/babe magnet personality didn't do anything to garner new fans either. Sheppard continues to be one of the weakest characters, unfortunately (and I had such high hopes for him in season 1).

I'm giving this episode a 9, only because we still don't know a thing about Shep. But this episode is still a big winner, and I hope the writing doesn't slip in the coming weeks. *crossing fingers*

Kanten
August 4th, 2006, 08:44 PM
Definitely a huge U turn in quality the show seems to be taking from last season. We finally got some significant character development, Ronon most of all. Rodney + Morphine = :D

Major Gambit
August 4th, 2006, 08:45 PM
Defidently one of the better episodes of SGA. Ronan is cool when he's mean, Mckay was HILLARIUS, so was Sheppard in some parts. The puddlejumper close up fighting thing was cool too.

verbalkint
August 4th, 2006, 08:47 PM
Its clear that the writers of the show took notice of the discontentment an overwhelming majority of the fans had for both SG-1 and SGA. They said they would have episodes geared towards team bonding and this was awesome. It had a movie feel to it and moved along at a great pace. The less we see of space battles the more money can go into on planet action sequences. Season 3 is staking its claim as the season that raised SGA to another level and gets itself ready to run with the torch of the stargate franchise.

Kanten
August 4th, 2006, 08:47 PM
If the writers can come up with episodes like this, then why did we have to sit through previous garbage like "The Tower", "Epiphany", Inferno", and last week's masterpiece of literature, "Irresistible"??

Inferno was garbage? :(

JanusAncient
August 4th, 2006, 08:50 PM
Phenomenal episode. I knew what was going to happen, because of the spoilers I've read, but I had no idea how things would unfold. Ronon, on Sated, and flashbacks, it explains a lot. If I'd watched my wife die in that manner, I'd feel the same way about the Wraith. Mckay going to save Ronon, even though he was injured, bravo wouldn't have expected such bravery from Mckay, when his life wasn't in immediate danger.

I like the part with Sheppard and Teyla, in the mess of the Daedalus. It was as I always figured, Sheppard doesn't have any family. It was intimate, I've always liked Teyla, but I like her more now. The part with Sheppard saying he killed more Wraith, than he actually did, it was good, some humour to an otherwise serious episode.

The hug at the end, the thank you from Ronon, an all around good job. The episode so far of this season, one of the best to date.

Andrew Joshua Talon
August 4th, 2006, 08:55 PM
All I can say is that it was a fantastic episode, and I hope they continue with this calibre of writing in the future.

vaberella
August 4th, 2006, 08:56 PM
You forgot to thank the Director of Photography. And the Editor. Bloody hell. They've ruined us. Nothing else will ever be good enough.
Darn it...I agree. All of them are Hallowed Long live Cinematography, and Bam Bam---You bloody rock!!! And then there was the costume director and designers---only one problem---the armbands had to go. Long live set designer. Long live, the coffee that probably overwhelmed the filming and directing and writing. :D


I idolize you Mr. Robert Cooper!!

Please write more!! I hope we get to see that bad arse ugly wraith again!
Is it just me or men who weren't gay probably turned for Ronon?!

Sela
August 4th, 2006, 08:58 PM
There's another thing that bothered me about this episode. It seems that every critical situation that comes up it's always the team against Caldwell. It's rather annoying.
I agree with you about that. He was correct to bring up the reality of the mission while everyone's feelings were running high. Weir should not allow that sort of thing to continue. Caldwell is not the enemy and they need to stop treating him like he is. Caldwell also needs to pull Shep to the side and have a little conversation with him about addressing a senior officer. He was upset but he was way out of line.

Descent
August 4th, 2006, 08:58 PM
If the writers can come up with episodes like this, then why did we have to sit through previous garbage like "The Tower", "Epiphany", Inferno", and last week's masterpiece of literature, "Irresistible"??

Can't believe you forgot "Instinct" on that list but you put Epiphany and Inferno, now those were good episodes! And Irresistible is debatable. :P

rarocks24
August 4th, 2006, 08:58 PM
After a not so great episode last week, this episode came and redeemed it. No Man's Land and Sateda are really great episodes. Plus, we got to see some wicked Wraith (nice sunglasses, I have to get a pair of those wraith oaklies :D). This showed what TPTB are renowned for. For one thing, can we all say there was no kirking at all in this episode? I think this was a major relief.

This by far is perhaps the best episode of this season, even series (Sateda will remain engraved in all our minds as the pinnacle of what this series is capable of).

TPTB, are you reading these boards? I think you are, and I thank you for listening to us.

The power of the fanbase.

ShadowMaat
August 4th, 2006, 09:01 PM
*eyes thread* Wow, aren't I the odd Wraith out? I had high expectations for this ep and while in some ways those expectations were surpassed, they also failed miserably in some of the more important aspects- namely the background on Ronon.

While I felt we gained a lot of fabulous insights into the rest of the characters, I didn't feel that we learned anything new about Ronon and I had really been looking forward to finding out more about who he is... and who he was.

I was also utterly crushed by the lack of Lorne. Who the frack was Major Buzzcut?

The Shep and Teyla scene was nice, as were the bits between Carson and Rodney. Weir and Caldwell at least got token appearances and it looks like Chuck the Technician has a new 'do.

Loved Rodney getting shot in the ass, but I'd have been happier without the drug-induced rambling which seemed like more of a chance to mock the character than to do anything useful.

I really REALLY need to pay closer attention to the opening credits, although I think I'd probably have watched even if I'd known Lorne wouldn't be in it just because I had such high hopes of learning more about Ronon. Why didn't I know better?

starfox
August 4th, 2006, 09:06 PM
Loved Rodney getting shot in the ass, but I'd have been happier without the drug-induced rambling which seemed like more of a chance to mock the character than to do anything useful.

Yeah, that was really my only gripe. The drug-induced rambling took away from the rest of the episode.

blingaway
August 4th, 2006, 09:10 PM
*eyes thread* Wow, aren't I the odd Wraith out?
{respectfully} And that's ... ... ... new? :P

Gotta agree with you on the narcotic rambling tho. Seen more than one person on morphine. They just sleep.

Lida
August 4th, 2006, 09:10 PM
The episode rocked! I loved all of it, even Rodney rambling on the table.....Carson did give him a mite too much of the IV anesthetic, but the show was brilliant. I am really surprised by Rob's writing and directing....all I can say is, I want more, and can I change my walk on part from SG1 to Atlantis????

Great episode....

Camello of Abydos
August 4th, 2006, 09:11 PM
I rely liked this episode it shows more of Ronons back round, and it the cool side and the caring side of Ronon AND they threw in some jokes like Rodney calls Tayla a cute little girl and Ronon a caveman........ Rodney get shot in the BUTT lololol. :mckay: Carson blows up a wraith! :beckett:

I rely liked this episode

MasySyma
August 4th, 2006, 09:12 PM
I was pleasantly suprised by this episode. In fact, my only complaint is that this episode is almost a year overdue. For most of last season and the first few weeks of this season, I have hated Ronon. He's the pitbull on a leash most episodes, but this episode finally gave him some much needed character development, and while tonight's show will make me interested to learn more about him, it can't take back several episodes where he merely grunted and shot. This is a great episode for Season 2. It should not have had to wait until Season 3.

Aside from that, I mostly loved the episode.

1. Rodney getting shot in the butt and screaming like a girl (I can say that since I am a girl) was priceless. I might scream like that too if shot there, but from his character, it was quite amusing.

2. The Teyla and Sheppard seen was well done. Finally, we have a bit of insight into Sheppard, even if he lacks the verbal skills to express his feelings. :)

3. I loved the fight to rescue Ronan, and I appreicated that Ronan needed rescuing. I also loved that Carson was the hero instead of Sheppard.

4. The background for Ronon was a bit typical, but I was so happy to have background that I don't mind that much. Now, maybe, finally, he will feel like part of the team. Now, if we can just see him do a bit more than shoot at stuff, I will be thrilled with him.

A good episode, especially for SGA, and deserving of a 9.5/10.

ShadowMaat
August 4th, 2006, 09:14 PM
Ronon roaring and beating his chest was also a bit embarrassing. What is he, Tarzan, Lord of the Wraith now?

blingaway
August 4th, 2006, 09:17 PM
Ronon roaring and beating his chest was also a bit embarrassing. What is he, Tarzan, Lord of the Wraith now?

He's pissed!! (Amer. not Eng.) I'd roar too.

Descent
August 4th, 2006, 09:20 PM
Ronon roaring and beating his chest was also a bit embarrassing. What is he, Tarzan, Lord of the Wraith now?

Hes angry, hes been reminded what the Wraith did to his people and his home. And honestly, has Ronon ever been anything but crazy? :ronananime25:

GateLadyM
August 4th, 2006, 09:23 PM
Liked the episode a lot, but I was wondering if that old Wraith was the leader of the hive ship. Was there no queen for this hive? This would be the first time we've seen a male in command of a hive ship.

Loved Ronon's backstory. Now I'd like to see a quiet episode where we see his gentleman side. He had a wife and we saw him as a normal person, now I'd like to see a bit of that in his everyday life on Atlantis. The Carson hug at the end was great! I do agree with several other posters that this episode was long overdue and should have been done last year.

I got the impression that the buzz cut guy was really meant for Lorne, but he (Kavan Smith) was possibly unavailable.

Is anyone ever going to give poor Chuck the console guy a real name?

ShadowMaat
August 4th, 2006, 09:25 PM
Hes angry, hes been reminded what the Wraith did to his people and his home. And honestly, has Ronon ever been anything but crazy? :ronananime25:
Yes, but all that proved is that McKay calling him "Cave Man" is more or less accurate. It'd be nice if he had some depth beyond that.

Pharaoh Atem
August 4th, 2006, 09:26 PM
While I felt we gained a lot of fabulous insights into the rest of the characters, I didn't feel that we learned anything new about Ronon and I had really been looking forward to finding out more about who he is... and who he was. we know he was a lover solder and he cares about shepherd and the rest of Atlantis i learned that deep down he is a genuine nice guy (which i found a little surprising




I was also utterly crushed by the lack of Lorne. Who the frack was Major Buzzcut? i have to agree with you there missed a great opportunity to use Lorne :)

bitnine
August 4th, 2006, 09:28 PM
I find it a good subconsious sign of a great episode when you end up thinking to yourself, "Hey, I don't remember there being this many commercial breaks in the last episode." ;)

vaberella
August 4th, 2006, 09:29 PM
Ronon roaring and beating his chest was also a bit embarrassing. What is he, Tarzan, Lord of the Wraith now?
It's a battle cry. Done usually in fighting an enemy as a form of intimidation. So no it was not embarassing. It's to get that point across that this was a fight of serious proportions that he was probably going to lose his life in. It was intuitive and well done---so in other words, I liked that scene and it bloody well worked well!:mckay:
:ronan: :ronan: :ronan: :ronan:

CYBEREAGLE19
August 4th, 2006, 09:29 PM
I really did enjoy this episode, and man I for one am really excited about the next episode, what was with the wraith sunglasses though? I thought theay might be for tracking but her had the device on his arm, and I gues theay can also see in the dark,

gatelover12
August 4th, 2006, 09:30 PM
Is it just me or men who weren't gay probably turned for Ronon?!
*shifty eyes* I can neither confirm nor deny...

rarocks24
August 4th, 2006, 09:31 PM
I noted this earlier in the Live Discussion thread.

Honestly, what more character growth could we have gotten (backstory anyways, what did yall want to see, his years in high school?)? I mean, we get a pretty good idea of his romance with his wife (assuming that's his wife), and the terrible way in which she was taken away from him. We see him chasing thru the ruins of his dead society, seeing the bodies of dead friends.

This just showed why he was so willing to fight back, and his vendetta against the Wraith. He wanted to give those people some justice, and shows a side of Ronon we haven't seen yet. Ronon fought for the memory of his homeworld, and this shows great backstory. Ronon gets kudos.

Besides, not all character development has to be deduced from conversations. What people don't realize is that body language and actions tend to give as much character growth as they have. Ronon got brownie points, for pulling off some awesome stunts. I was surprised, and found Sateda to be far better than I had originally hoped. That right there and NML is what is convincing me to buy the season.

Pharaoh Atem
August 4th, 2006, 09:31 PM
It's a battle cry. Done usually in fighting an enemy as a form of intimidation. So no it was not embarassing. It's to get that point across that this was a fight of serious proportions that he was probably going to lose his life in. It was intuitive and well done---so in other words, I liked that scene and it bloody well worked well!:mckay:
:ronan: :ronan: :ronan: :ronan:
it was a good scene you expect things like that from Ronon :ronan:

rarocks24
August 4th, 2006, 09:32 PM
It's a battle cry. Done usually in fighting an enemy as a form of intimidation. So no it was not embarassing. It's to get that point across that this was a fight of serious proportions that he was probably going to lose his life in. It was intuitive and well done---so in other words, I liked that scene and it bloody well worked well!:mckay:
:ronan: :ronan: :ronan: :ronan:
Battle Cry


A battle cry is a yell or chant taken up in battle, usually by members of the same military unit. The content and nature of battle cries vary, depending on whether their intent is to threaten, invoke a family name or family lands, or call on God for assistance. These cries can serve many purposes, including inspiring those otherwise inclined to stay back, terrifying the enemy, promoting a sense of esprit de corps, as well as communicating to allies that they have support. During the Middle Ages, many cries appeared on standards and were adopted as mottoes, an example being the motto "Dieu et mon droit" ("God and my right") of the English kings. It is said that this was Edward III's rallying cry during the Battle of Crťcy.

expendable_crewman
August 4th, 2006, 09:37 PM
"That did NOT just hapen!"

I actually stayed home to watch this episode on digital. I'm glad I did. They didn't make us wait long to get started and for the most part kept on the pressure. When I go to the edge of my seat (literally) twice for a TV show, it's a good ep.

For some reason, I really liked the look of the uber-Wraith and I was impressed with the scene that showed Ronon insisting the villagers let Sheppard and Teyla go. "They're good people." Likewise the scenes with Ronon's wife.

Ronon saying thank you and I'm sorry = priceless.

And what's up with everyone in black? SGA has gone "intense."

MasySyma
August 4th, 2006, 09:38 PM
Ronon roaring and beating his chest was also a bit embarrassing. What is he, Tarzan, Lord of the Wraith now?

Agreed. It just reinforces his grunt and shoot role on the show and fails to provide any depth for his character. I could have lived without a few seconds of Ronon's fighting skills and his battle cries for a few more scenes of character development.

Pharaoh Atem
August 4th, 2006, 09:42 PM
"

Ronon saying thank you and I'm sorry = priceless.

And what's up with everyone in black? SGA has gone "intense."
yes he is a genuine nice person

starfox
August 4th, 2006, 09:42 PM
Notes as I'm rewatching the episode:

*Sheppard going against Caldwell while wearing the black leather jacket just emphasized the sense of 'rebel' that the writers have been trying to work into him. Leather-covered back as he strides past Caldwell? It's the very symbol of young rebel.

*I think I just saw Ronon use a triple-barrelled shotgun. That wins. I admit, I have a weakness for big guns. And that gun? Just. so. cool.

*McKay insulting Ronon like a drill sergeant? So awesome.


And how has no one mentioned Rodney's lemon-lime print boxers before now?

blingaway
August 4th, 2006, 09:44 PM
Re: Satedan weapons...

They can off a wraith in a single shot, or at least cause enough damage to trigger self-distruct.

Rodney, I have a project for you...

rarocks24
August 4th, 2006, 09:49 PM
See, I don't see why we don't have zatnikatels there. I'm sure two blasts would be equivalent to one blast on a human. And the standard three to vaporize. ;)

L.A. Doyle
August 4th, 2006, 09:50 PM
A very satisfying episode indeed. :) Great job everyone, especially Jason! :ronan:

Galilahi
August 4th, 2006, 09:57 PM
Unfreakinbelieveable!!!

i have waited so long for this ep and thank you for delievering on a silver platter.

rodney getting shot in the ass: priceless.

i loved the look and feel of sateda, very blue and smoky.

uber-wraith scared the pants off me.

the teyla and shep scene was great. thanks john for finally expressing some feeling that doesn't envolve groping and/or nailing an alien chick

i loved rodney's dissertation on his and ronon's "relationship that goes deeper than words." man-crush much?

YAY Carson!! way to save the day. ronon's hug at the end was great.

did the girl who played ronon's wife bother anyone else? i can't figure if it's the actress, or the character/writing.

i loved it!!! 10/10

expendable_crewman
August 4th, 2006, 09:59 PM
Agreed. It just reinforces his grunt and shoot role on the show and fails to provide any depth for his character. I could have lived without a few seconds of Ronon's fighting skills and his battle cries for a few more scenes of character development.I found that moment reinforced the state in which Ronon had become lost. It summed up nearly a decade of issues. Think about it. He'd been sent to a planet that used to be home to his people. He was being hunted (again) by the enemy that destroyed his world in every conceivable way. This time he was fighting amid the husks of his former teammates, in what was left of buildings that used to be whole. Those motions and cries just before he took on the uber-Wraith reminded me that between the moment of confrontation with the uber-Wraith and the battle he'd lost on Sateda there had been seven or eight years of bitter isolation ... It communicated primal rage (pure Ronon) and absolute desolation (new Ronon moment for me) in just a few instants and therefore (for me) worked really well.

coolove
August 4th, 2006, 10:03 PM
I was also utterly crushed by the lack of Lorne. Who the frack was Major Buzzcut?


I was wondering that too. He had a familiarity with the rest team that took me by surprise because we hadn't seen him before. He was, dare I say, somewhat Lorne-ish.

ShadowMaat
August 4th, 2006, 10:04 PM
The thing is... Ronon's already all about the primal rage, so showing off more of it just... doesn't work for me. I'm not expecting him to say, "Forsooth! Thou hast ravaged my sacred homeworld! Prepare to do battle, recreant fiend!" But something other than a bad Tarzan impression would have been nice.

I guess I also had a hard time feeling the build-up of rage and angst because the flashbacks were so crappily handled (IMO). I kept tuning them out.

Enemyone
August 4th, 2006, 10:04 PM
Hands down the Best episode of Atlantis EVER PERIOD

blingaway
August 4th, 2006, 10:06 PM
did the girl who played ronon's wife bother anyone else? i can't figure if it's the actress, or the character/writing.



Definitely not!! I loved her. I get a sense of Ronon's people as particularly noble (Chieftan not with standing if Malena {Marlena? I couldn't tell} wasn't slandering).

Bugginkrd
August 4th, 2006, 10:07 PM
This episode was awsome!!!! There are still questions to be answered like what was Ronon running from? His wife said he couldn't keep running. Why can't the wraith feed on him? I also loved the head wraith and the new wraith with night vision, very cool and much better. Great job Jason and all. This episode was outstanding! Can we have another one just like it please?

blingaway
August 4th, 2006, 10:08 PM
Why is the uber-Wraith *nods to Galilahi* mostly hairless? Very atypical.

ShadowMaat
August 4th, 2006, 10:09 PM
Why is the uber-Wraith *nods to Galilahi* mostly hairless? Very atypical.
Khhhhhaaaaaannnnnn!!!!

Sorry, where were we?

ToasterOnFire
August 4th, 2006, 10:10 PM
THANK YOU. Finally, after a huge drought since Coup, an ep that I thought was worth rewatching. This kind of stuff makes me regain confidence in Atlantis and hope for its future. Come on PTB, you should be writing like this all the time! I had all but written off Shep and Ronon, yet how they were portrayed here made me regain interest in both of them. More importantly, there were so many small yet poignant moments of bonding - from Shep and Rodney on the floor in front of Rodney's laptop to Rodney and Carson talking about Ronon, to Shep and Teyla discussing Shep's feelings about his team. This is the kind of stuff that was sorely lacking in s2, hopefully this indicates that the writers are making amends and that this kind of development will continue.

-This was Ronon's ep to shine, and the writers did a great job showcasing his background. Now we finally get an idea of what he had to endure and what would have turned him into such an angry, blunt, and violent character. The hug at the end may be an indication of a turning point for him.

-I love Rodney. Seriously, his drugged "I'm looking for a guy, he looks like you but he has messy hair" comment was the best line of the ep. Point 2 for Shep's hair!! :D

-Shep's conversation with Teyla was probably the best Shep scene I've seen, capturing his awkwardness at expressing his feelings yet showing how much he does care for all of these people. Teyla's thanks for how Shep and Weir stood up for her was also nice. Nice to see a scene that doesn't hit me over the head with the ship anvil either. :)

-Great filming style, made me almost think I was watching a BSG ep. Almost. ;)


Mild irks:

-Didn't care for Caldwell vs. the team at all. I thought they had moved beyond that and were actually getting along? Caldwell had a point, yet everyone else painted him as the jerk. Meh.

-Everyone else had a part, yet Weir was relegated yet again to princess in the tower. I'd still like to see her being interrupted in a briefing or something rather than looking like she just sits around waiting for the team to call...

-The Ronon fight at the end was a bit overdone - shooting while flying through the air, slow motion shots two-fisting guns, slapping the chest and grunting? I was making hulk-like "Ronon ANGRY!!" comments throughout the entire thing. :D
(Incidentally, Teyla's "Ronon is VERY angry." comment over the radio immediately got my response of "No kidding lady, where have you BEEN the last 20 eps?! Heh.)

-A bit weary of that damn blue filter. Maybe next time they can visit the purple planet that looks suspiciously like Vancouver forest? Or how about the orange one? :D

blingaway
August 4th, 2006, 10:10 PM
I'm not expecting him to say, "Forsooth! Thou hast ravaged my sacred homeworld! Prepare to do battle, recreant fiend!"


Wrong genre. It would be:

You have dishonored my family, and you have dishonored the Satedan temple.

FOR THIS YOU MUST DIE!!

Gate Geek
August 4th, 2006, 10:13 PM
This episode certainly had some good character moments and great team development that Atlantis has sorely been missing for quite some time now. There were a few things in the ep that were quite predictable, but on the whole, this ep is adding to my opinion that I think Atlantis has finally found its feet.

Overall a good episode and worth watching again. Especially for the scenes between Teyla and Shep, the hug Ronan gives Beckett and the floor scene between Shep and McKay.

Galilahi
August 4th, 2006, 10:13 PM
Why is the uber-Wraith *nods to Galilahi* mostly hairless? Very atypical.
i guess because he's older, much older than any other wraith we've seen. i was wondering about the absence of a queen.

the chest beating battle cry reminded me not of Tarzan but of the Mauri war cry. i can't think of what it's called...anybody from new zealand?

ShadowMaat
August 4th, 2006, 10:14 PM
Wrong genre. It would be:

You have dishonored my family, and you have dishonored the Satedan temple.

FOR THIS YOU MUST DIE!!
How about, "My name is Ronon Dex. You killed my homeworld. Prepare to die!"

Anyway, I like "forsooth" and "recreant fiend." I use them as much as possible regardless of context. :P

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
August 4th, 2006, 10:16 PM
How about, "My name is Ronon Dex. You killed my homeworld. Prepare to die!"

Anyway, I like "forsooth" and "recreant fiend." I use them as much as possible regardless of context. :P
Oh my God! I was just about to post that, precisely. I mean, as soon as I saw people talking about that, the scene from the Princess Bride immedaitely sprang to mind.

Lida
August 4th, 2006, 10:18 PM
I don't see why so many seem to think that Rob Cooper failed in giving us Ronon's backstory. The use of interspersed flashbacks was done wonderfully, showing us, without words, the reason for Ronon's very existence. We see him lose everyone he ever loved, including his wife, his best friends and commrades-in-arms, in addition to the loss of his home world. It more than explains Ronon's blood lust hatred of the Wraith and one in particular.

As for Rodney's ramblings, morphine is not used as an anesthetic, but a pain killer. He was probably given IV sedation along with morphine, and in that case, the resulting "twilight sleep" could and usually does produce "ramblings" from people under it's effects. I won't bore anyone with the specific agents that may have been used.

I think it was a well written and well directed episode and I enjoyed it both times I watched. Not only do we more fully understand Ronon, but also Sheppard and even Rodney shows he is capable of real human emotion.

I also wondered where Major Lorne was, as his interactions with Rodney in past episodes have always had great chemistry and humor. He would have been the perfect one to try and question Rodney, while our dear Doctor was under the influence, so to speak.

Final analysis, the best Atlantis episode, to date. Loved the use of neon arcing, back lighting and flashbacks. The action scenes were masterful, my kudoes to BamBam. And now, I'm rambling, so I shall end it here. :ronan:

ShadowMaat
August 4th, 2006, 10:19 PM
By the way, who WAS Major Buzzcut? He looked familiar. I kept thinking of Capt. Kyle from Rules of Engagement, but I'm pretty sure that's not right. I'm never right about stuff like that. ;)

coolove
August 4th, 2006, 10:20 PM
Why is the uber-Wraith *nods to Galilahi* mostly hairless? Very atypical.

I think it has something to do with the writers wanting more personality within the Wraith by individualizing them.

kiwigater
August 4th, 2006, 10:22 PM
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smushybird
August 4th, 2006, 10:23 PM
I'd put Sateda up there with LfP, except I also don't like it when Rodney is the...um...butt of the jokes. :) The saving grace is that DH is just so good that even when they use him for comedy relief, you giggle but you still sympathize. He was so funny and sweet doped-up, pushing on the tubes and fuzzily interpreting Carson's medical terminology... :D...that I could forgive the humiliation-of-the-week this time. And it led to some other nice scenes, namely Rodney lying on the floor with Shep beside him as they talked, and all the scenes with Carson. My thought about the absent Lorne was that they wanted someone less familiar to Rodney and with less hair so Rodney could make the crack about messy hair. I don't see why else they wouldn't have used Lorne there.

There were so many good moments between characters in this episode, and that's what makes or breaks an episode for me. This ep was all about connecting, all about family. It was just perfect. Maybe they didn't fit in a lot of details about Ronon's past (although the gist of it was more than clear), but it was very satisfying, the way they let so many of the characters express things they haven't ever expressed before. It was certainly enough for me, for a brief hour of SGA. It was so much more than I was expecting.

I'm genuinely amazed there are fans who didn't care for the ep.
I just wanted to say thanks one more time to TPTB and especially Mr. Cooper for giving us such a warm, human, lovely episode. I, for one, really appreciate it.

Blue007
August 4th, 2006, 10:49 PM
Brillant!! Loved it!! So much action and the way the team came together was great!!

Momoa you hit it out of the ball park tonight!! Bravo!! I am and always will be PROUD to be a fan!!

Wynter Frost
August 4th, 2006, 11:06 PM
I love the nightvision contacts the wraith wore, and the sunglasses they wore outside to protect the eyes. that and the probe were two nice wraith technologies. We also learned they can have kings as well as queens. As for Major Buzzcut or Major Not!Lorne, whichever term you perfer. Initial spoilers for Sateda had Lorne putting together a team to mount a rescue, so Kavan must have been unavailable to play him, so they substituted.

vaberella
August 4th, 2006, 11:08 PM
I'd put Sateda up there with LfP, except I also don't like it when Rodney is the...um...butt of the jokes. :) The saving grace is that DH is just so good that even when they use him for comedy relief, you giggle but you still sympathize. He was so funny and sweet doped-up, pushing on the tubes and fuzzily interpreting Carson's medical terminology... :D...that I could forgive the humiliation-of-the-week this time. And it led to some other nice scenes, namely Rodney lying on the floor with Shep beside him as they talked, and all the scenes with Carson. My thought about the absent Lorne was that they wanted someone less familiar to Rodney and with less hair so Rodney could make the crack about messy hair. I don't see why else they wouldn't have used Lorne there.

There were so many good moments between characters in this episode, and that's what makes or breaks an episode for me. This ep was all about connecting, all about family. It was just perfect. Maybe they didn't fit in a lot of details about Ronon's past (although the gist of it was more than clear), but it was very satisfying, the way they let so many of the characters express things they haven't ever expressed before. It was certainly enough for me, for a brief hour of SGA. It was so much more than I was expecting.

I'm genuinely amazed there are fans who didn't care for the ep.
I just wanted to say thanks one more time to TPTB and especially Mr. Cooper for giving us such a warm, human, lovely episode. I, for one, really appreciate it.

Just responding to what's in bold..yeah well it's those fans who seem to spew total negativity all over the S3 thread, not that it's not allowed. It's just turning very very predicatable and I'm starting to wonder why said people bother watching the show in the first place.

Actually I think it's because it gives them grounding to whinge some more. :rolleyes: I'm like it's not SG1, don't expect it to be handled the same way, just take the ep for what it was. And this was just undoubtedly a fantastic ep---the flashbacks were even better (every part of where he visited in Sateda, as he's running from Wraith, brings back the awful and hurting memories of his last days on Sateda, that was do well done, it's not funny). :mckay: :mckay:

Hatusu
August 4th, 2006, 11:16 PM
You forgot to thank the Director of Photography. And the Editor. Bloody hell. They've ruined us. Nothing else will ever be good enough.
I tried to thank them by name, but I couldn't find a listing. Did anyone catch the names? Great job!

Descent
August 4th, 2006, 11:18 PM
Talk about some grim stuff too like seeing Ronon's wife (or lover) get engulfed by flames, seeing all of his buddies get killed, etc. This has to also be one of the more depressing episodes SGA has done, some people complain about the humor getting in the way but without it I bet they'd have a big frown on their face by the end.

Kliggins
August 4th, 2006, 11:32 PM
Very nice episode; probably one of the best I have seen in some time. :)

I am even watching the rerun now; guess I must have really liked it. :eek:

KindlyKeller
August 4th, 2006, 11:49 PM
Meh. I didn't hate it, but it wasn't anything to keep my interest either. Basically I was bored. It was predictable to the point where I called Rodney getting hit in the bum before it happened. And the spoilers for the ep were THE EP! I knew that Ronon would sacrifice himself for Shep and Teyla. They would go after him. Ronon would fight and survive Wraith after Wraith. Even his back story flashes were exactly what the spoilers said so I predicted them too.

John and Rodney on the floor was a sweet moment.

John NOT expressing himself to TEyla was really nice.

John suddenly feeling the need to lie about how many Wraith he killed? STUPID! He doesn't have to prove himself to anyone, least of all Ronon or Teyla and he knows it. That was just STUPID STUPID writing.

And Rodney and Carson were used for Comedy in what should have been a serious ep. So...meh.

Don't take this as an insult, but it's not really their fault that you read the spoilers. Of COURSE you knew what was coming... and I thought the Sheppard thing was hilarious.

Orion's Star
August 4th, 2006, 11:51 PM
This episode was the best episode this season. It was interesting and had good action sequences. Only two things I can really say, because they nagged me:

Enough time had passed for the bodies to decompose to the point where you could see bone, but all the weapons on the planet were still operational? There should have been so much grime, grit, and dirt in those guns that they could never be fired without extensive cleaning.

And of course Ronon's entire squad was wiped out. That happens when everybody stands in the freaking open!

blingaway
August 4th, 2006, 11:53 PM
Did Carson get into Sheppard's hair products stash? He looked mighty well groomed...:p

Hatusu
August 5th, 2006, 12:12 AM
I hate to get too personal with Rodney McKay, OK, I wouldn't mind it, but was Rodney wearing yellow smiley boxers? Was that a shout out to online fans? :)

KindlyKeller
August 5th, 2006, 12:14 AM
I thought they were great personally. What would you have done differently in this episode because I can't really see any significant ways to improve upon what's there.

EDIT: Forgot to quote... was referring to shadowmaat's underwhelmed reaction to the flashbacks and the "lack" of character development.

Fatewarns
August 5th, 2006, 12:18 AM
i have to agree with you there missed a great opportunity to use Lorne :)

I think the actor was unable at the time of the shooting. And for some strange freaky reason the actor who took Lorne's place has a good interaction with the main cast. But I would rather have Lorne

I have to give props to Jason he acting was top notch . My favorite scene is when Ronon is crying at the hospital remembering what happen to his world. it was sad:( , but great acting

lots of team moments in this episode, very good

Edit: and people are probably wondering how Mckay sat on the Jumper chairs? he had some kind of cushion or pillow on the sit

Adrius
August 5th, 2006, 12:19 AM
Ronon roaring and beating his chest was also a bit embarrassing. What is he, Tarzan, Lord of the Wraith now?He was psyching himself up. That wraith was hardcore and he knew it.

blingaway
August 5th, 2006, 12:29 AM
By the way, who WAS Major Buzzcut? He looked familiar


I kept thinking Orlando Bloom...

Kliggins
August 5th, 2006, 12:33 AM
Did Carson get into Sheppard's hair products stash? He looked mighty well groomed...:p

LOL! I was wondering the same thing, except it went something like what the heck is going on with Carson's hair? :p ;)

cherryblossomjen
August 5th, 2006, 01:15 AM
I hate to get too personal with Rodney McKay, OK, I wouldn't mind it, but was Rodney wearing yellow smiley boxers? Was that a shout out to online fans? :)
I thought they were lemons. ^_^

But then again I had just read this fic (http://www.thedragonborn.net/fanfic/tielan/sga-brazen.htm)recently.

Easter Lily
August 5th, 2006, 01:20 AM
What a great episode...
Here was I thinking this was going to be a deadly serious episode and it was hilarious...
Last week's was supposed to be a comedic episode and turned out to be sinister...

I LOVE all the John Woo angles... Ronon doing Chow Yuen Fatt was a lot of fun.

The dialogue was in top form... all the buddy stuff was terrific.

Rob Cooper, more please, more!

birdieey
August 5th, 2006, 02:42 AM
Unfreakinbelieveable!!!
did the girl who played ronon's wife bother anyone else? i can't figure if it's the actress, or the character/writing.


Yes, yes yes - a little bit of the writing, mostly the casting. The woman looked like someone who would cross the street if she saw Ronan coming towards her.

AutumnDream
August 5th, 2006, 03:28 AM
I enjoyed it. Some parts were really great, some were just bleh. The middle part of the episode wasn't so cool. Lots of very contrived, tacky, and laughable action sequences that dragged on too long, taking the place of time that could've been used to explore Ronon more thoroughly. I wanted to see him remembering his actual life on Sateda, before the last few moments of it. You know, so we could gain insight into who he really was before the attack, who he was besides a military man or a runner. I was surprised that his wife was a meek little blond woman. :D It was a little too convenient, too, that she died at the window right in front of him. *Sigh*

This was also JM's first real opportunity to show some acting chops. Sad, I know - it's been over a bloody year already, but I suppose in Stargate's writing offices there isn't much inclination towards maturity and drama. (Even though the fans eat it up.) Anyway, I think he did a great job. Other than the extremely odd and silly chest-beating... or whatever that was. Of course, that wasn't his fault, now. ^_^

The Sheppard / Teyla scene was excellent, and the sort of thing I'd love to see more often on Atlantis. It really shouldn't be some rare, tantalizing treat when we get to see actual meaningful dialogue between two characters, but I appreciate it nonetheless.

- The wraith grow furthur and furthur away from the cool sophistication of Steve with every episode. Now they're snarling, hissing barbarian-type aliens. Or they wear absolutely ridiculous looking goggles. *Sigh #2*

- What's with the puddle drone? I imagine it should have simply torn through the wraith commander guy. Weird. It's also a little silly that the guy actually decided to go down and fight Ronon. He could have sent legions more wraith to hunt him.

- It would have been nice if we'd found out a few things about runners and why they exist. So far we only have guesses from Teyla. We also still don't know why wraith can't feed on Ronon. I know the writers like to "sit back, relax, and not give too many answers too quickly", but geez. Are they are really so hard up for mysteries and intriguing plot elements that they need to stretch them out for so long? Man...

Anyway, since the episode was so enjoyable despite some questionable taste in parts, I'll give it a 8/10.

florence
August 5th, 2006, 03:30 AM
Sorry, I'll be short but I'm still on a high after watching this episode! :D

In three words : BEST.EPISODE.EVER.

TameFarrar
August 5th, 2006, 03:41 AM
Since I know I am going to be annoying whomever I can with my Blog about tonights episodes I will just say this.........

I was completely and utterly enthralled with Jason's performance. I normally don't watch the second airing of either show since the first airing comes on so late for me.

Tonight I waited just to watch this one again. I was so thrilled with everything about this episode from the lighting to the filming to the acting on everyone's part But Jason...WOW!!

so for any that do read my blog... fair warning :D ...I will be saying LOTS of nice things this week :D

Alipeeps
August 5th, 2006, 04:12 AM
OMG this was an awesome episode. Sooo many wonderful characters moments - thank you TPTB!!! The plot was intense and powerful and fast-paced, the acting was awesome (JM and JF in particular) and the edited and camera work just amazing - I loved that first fight scene where the view kept cutting to and from the Wraith's night vision view of being attacked by Ronon!

Brilliant to get some backstory on Ronon and the repercussions of his life as a runner but the best thing overall about this ep was the character moments - Shep and McKay sitting/lying on the floor of the lab like kids, bantering and smiling - Shep and Teyla's awesome cafeteria chat - so nice to finally have canon confirmation not only of Shep's lack of family back home but of his difficulties in expressing his emotions. Hugs in the jumper, team snarking (Who's flying the ship?") Team bonding a-go-go!! If this is what the writers meant by promising more team bonding moments in S3 then bring it on!!

buzlighty1
August 5th, 2006, 04:48 AM
Meh. I didn't hate it, but it wasn't anything to keep my interest either. Basically I was bored. It was predictable to the point where I called Rodney getting hit in the bum before it happened. And the spoilers for the ep were THE EP! I knew that Ronon would sacrifice himself for Shep and Teyla. They would go after him. Ronon would fight and survive Wraith after Wraith. Even his back story flashes were exactly what the spoilers said so I predicted them too.

John and Rodney on the floor was a sweet moment.

John NOT expressing himself to TEyla was really nice.

John suddenly feeling the need to lie about how many Wraith he killed? STUPID! He doesn't have to prove himself to anyone, least of all Ronon or Teyla and he knows it. That was just STUPID STUPID writing.

And Rodney and Carson were used for Comedy in what should have been a serious ep. So...meh.

Maybe we should all just stop reading spoilers. Hmmm wouldn't that solve the problem? lol.

Willow'sCat
August 5th, 2006, 04:54 AM
*eyes thread* Wow, aren't I the odd Wraith out? I had high expectations for this ep and while in some ways those expectations were surpassed, they also failed miserably in some of the more important aspects- namely the background on Ronon.I have to say I agree on that, I wasn't expecting Ronon to sit down and have a heart to heart on his past, just not his style, but yeah I still feel I know little if anything of value about him and seriously I couldn't give a frak for his girly and what happened to her... who cares it is not like they had him telling anyone in *gasp!* a previous episode how much she meant to him, sorry a little too much to have to read into all the flashbacks. :S And I don't like he-man Ronon just not my thing.


I was also utterly crushed by the lack of Lorne. Who the frack was Major Buzzcut?Wondered that too, and was it just me or did he sound kinda Canadian but he was wearing a US insignia.


Loved Rodney getting shot in the ass, but I'd have been happier without the drug-induced rambling which seemed like more of a chance to mock the character than to do anything useful.Yes but you have to mock Rodney or it wouldn't be funny... that is Robert and Brad's thing, make McKay funny by mocking him...didn't you watch Runner? ;) :mckay:


Yes it was very nice to have finally somethings confirmed for canon purposes, Sheppard is bad with the whole social interaction and he hasn't had a real family and maybe even friends (he kind of hesitated on that one) *well I never* McKay does like his team mates just doesn't know how to express it without sounding like a complete d***. :P Teyla has felt like an outsider *again...well I never* and Weir is, where was Weir again?

I did like seeing Sheppard stand up to Caldwell, but it would have been just as good to have no Caldwell interaction and instead, have Sheppard and Weir barking at each other, but that would ruin the premise of Atlantis against, well everyone really. ;)

Nice to see Carson but again he is the bloody doctor, OK he wanted to be more and he did the nifty Wraith kill so that was nice, in a blood thirsty way.

McKay *sigh* I don't know; yes on one level all very funny and even for a Whumper Thunker cute to have him laid out all drugged and helpless, but why McKay? That is all I ask why is it always McKay? I suppose DH is just a better actor and can pull it off without it seeming lame. Still why?

The McKay/Sheppard moments were golden. I loved them on the floor of Rodney's lab *like I have never imagined that before* and Sheppard even asked about Rodney's health *a first* :eek:

OK for all my meh on this ep it blew the last 3 away ;) so for that alone it is worth watching. :) ;)

McKayRocks!
August 5th, 2006, 05:12 AM
Well I adored this ep!! :) It had me gripped from the very first scene right to the end!! :cool: And I just didn't want it to end!! :cool: It was a rollercoaster of action, emotion and humour and I cannot fault it in any way!!!

I shall be on a high for days now!!!

Well done!!!

*a very grateful Mx*

AGateFan
August 5th, 2006, 05:13 AM
I hate to get too personal with Rodney McKay, OK, I wouldn't mind it, but was Rodney wearing yellow smiley boxers? Was that a shout out to online fans? :)
I thought the pattern was sliced lemon\lime.

AGateFan
August 5th, 2006, 05:18 AM
snip
... they wear absolutely ridiculous looking goggles.
snip
.

I am going to call that wraith Richard.
For Richard B Riddick.
It appears he paid 10 menthol cools for an eyeshine (or hes furian). I wonder when he spent his time at Butchers Bay? :P :D
(yes Im a geek)

Willow'sCat
August 5th, 2006, 06:02 AM
I thought the pattern was sliced lemon\lime.It looks like either a random pattern or Passion fruit to me, not that I have studied it that closely. :o *whistles innocently* :D

OutThere
August 5th, 2006, 06:07 AM
Wow, that was an impressively good episode. They've really been working at the "family" theme hard this year, and this episode gave that theme a lot of depth. The best part was the conversation between Sheppard and Teyla, which was terrific (both touching and hilarious).

Ronon's memories were well done. I feel sad for the guy. No wonder he's like he is.

Everybody on the team got to do something, and do it well.

The only thing I didn't like were the Wraith. At the end they were going down like video game baddies. And why did Head Snarly Wraith go down to the planet by himself when he knew Ronon had some well-armed friends helping him out? And why, oh why, did he snarl constantly? He was really starting to annoy me.

This is definitely one of the best episodes I've seen. I hope they can give us more like this!

Callie
August 5th, 2006, 06:10 AM
I havenít got time to go back through these entries right now, cos Iím busy writing the transcript, so forgive me if Iím asking questions that have already been answered (Iíll check more carefully later). Does anyone have the names of the characters who werenít named during the episode, for instance, the major who should have been Lorne but wasnít, and any of the villagers or extras from Sateda? If any of them were named in the closing credits and anybody can check the recording for me, Iíd be really grateful because I donít have access to the end credits. Many thanks!

Loved this episode, BTW - the 'team' aspect was brilliant - but itís gonna be a monster to write!

Hatusu
August 5th, 2006, 06:13 AM
I thought they were lemons. ^_^

But then again I had just read this fic (http://www.thedragonborn.net/fanfic/tielan/sga-brazen.htm)recently.
Thanks, I enjoyed that. :)

Hatusu
August 5th, 2006, 06:22 AM
I havenít got time to go back through these entries right now, cos Iím busy writing the transcript, so forgive me if Iím asking questions that have already been answered (Iíll check more carefully later). Does anyone have the names of the characters who werenít named during the episode, for instance, the major who should have been Lorne but wasnít, and any of the villagers or extras from Sateda? If any of them were named in the closing credits and anybody can check the recording for me, Iíd be really grateful because I donít have access to the end credits. Many thanks!

Loved this episode, BTW - the 'team' aspect was brilliant - but itís gonna be a monster to write!
Here's a link to the IMDB listing. It's the best one I found:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0786616/fullcredits

Auralis
August 5th, 2006, 06:24 AM
Well, what a surprise, a SGA episode that is actually worth watching after the last two turds.
There still hope for the future, more of this please and keep the stupifying crap in the toilet.

Alipeeps
August 5th, 2006, 06:31 AM
How about, "My name is Ronon Dex. You killed my homeworld. Prepare to die!"

Anyway, I like "forsooth" and "recreant fiend." I use them as much as possible regardless of context. :P

*BWAH* Love it! He'd need a sword though... :D


Loved Rodney getting shot in the ass, but I'd have been happier without the drug-induced rambling which seemed like more of a chance to mock the character than to do anything useful.

I kinda liked that scene, it was cute and entertaining. In terms of providing something useful to the ep, my guess is that (similar to Rodney's being out of it and unable to communicate in The Hive) it serves the purpose of making sure that Atlantis can't just send in reinforcements asap guns-ablazing. If McKay could've answered questions about the village etc they could've sent in a strike team before the Wraith got there and it would have been a much shorter episode!! :D

As for Ronon's haka-stylee war cry bit... I admit I found it a bit *ummm* silly-looking I guess but the impression I got from it was that he was trying to psych himself up, really work himself up into a state of utter fury, the better to have a chance of beating the crap outta that Wraith (I mean, I could be wrong but it looked like his deliberately hit himself on his injured thigh - like, trying to use the pain to stimulate adrenalin, push through the fatigue etc?)

keshou
August 5th, 2006, 06:32 AM
wow. After a very disappointing SG-1 episode almost put me to sleep, this one woke me right up.

Very stylistic episode from Mr. Cooper and he deserves a lot of credit for his writing and directing in this one. I loved the whole look of Ronon's planet. And Jason Momoa grabbed the opportunity they gave him and went full out. Kudos to everyone.

And not only was this good for Ronon we got the added benefit of team bonding moments and insights into the others as well. Shep and Teyla had great scenes, as did McKay and Beckett.

LOVED it. I'm enjoying Atlantis a lot this season....keep up the good work :) :)

Reaceania
August 5th, 2006, 06:34 AM
I loved this episode.
Robert Cooper really needs to direct more episodes! I just love the way this was shot. I love how they did the camera work, especially in the flash back scenes. I loved the grittiness. The music (why is it that I prefer the music of SGA to SG1 when it's the same composer?). The pacing. I'd really love to see SGA go down the darker path, especially if this episode was used as the template. Less cartoonish, more depth, more gripping but still managing to find the room to incorporate some humor.

Could you imagine what SGA would be like if every ep was styled like this one!!
Best episode of any stargate for a long while!

And Jason Momoa! Wow.
Jason Momoa and Tricia Helfer have to be two of the biggest finds on the Canadian production scene. Both ex-models who have shown that they have the chops to hold their own. I've been surprised and impressed by both of them.

The best character development award of SGA (any season) has to go to Ronon Dex. I learnt so much about Ronon in this. Gods I wish they could do that for every character in every "character" ep!
I also loved the interaction between the characters, though I thought it under-utilised Weir (I guess in compensation for the upcoming eps). I'd love to see Weir thrown into a situation with some action happening around her like this, rather than being relegated to "diplomat on Atlantis". The scenes between Sheppard, Ronon, Teyla, McKay and Carson were great. (In fact, I'm surprised that noone's started a Shep/Ronon Ship thread in the character forum ;) *L*)

Hatusu
August 5th, 2006, 06:35 AM
Well, what a surprise, a SGA episode that is actually worth watching after the last two turds.
There still hope for the future, more of this please and keep the stupifying crap in the toilet.
As Rodney might say, "...a tad scatological, but consistant in your comparisons." :P

Alipeeps
August 5th, 2006, 06:41 AM
Well, what a surprise, a SGA episode that is actually worth watching after the last two turds.
There still hope for the future, more of this please and keep the stupifying crap in the toilet.

Heh. Way to write a positive review and still manage to sound utterly negative. :D

Sela
August 5th, 2006, 07:03 AM
What a great episode...
Here was I thinking this was going to be a deadly serious episode and it was hilarious...
Last week's was supposed to be a comedic episode and turned out to be sinister...

I LOVE all the John Woo angles... Ronon doing Chow Yuen Fatt was a lot of fun.

The dialogue was in top form... all the buddy stuff was terrific.

Rob Cooper, more please, more!
You were thinking John Woo and I was think Sam Peckinpah. Truely top notch camera work. A very visually stunning episode.

Agent_Dark
August 5th, 2006, 07:06 AM
Anyone else get some serious Max Payne vibes when Ronon came flying out the door in slow-motion, and blowing away those two Wraith with his shotgun? :D

ShadowMaat
August 5th, 2006, 07:16 AM
I thought they were great personally. What would you have done differently in this episode because I can't really see any significant ways to improve upon what's there.
Well for starters I would have skipped the Village of Plot Device flashbacks entirely. While they may have conveyed that Ronon was taken in by the villagers and they were later attacked by the Wraith, we could have gotten that just fine from Feerless Leader. The flashbacks were too disjointed and didn't convey enough information. Yeah, we get that he was dying- but we don't know why. We get that Nubile Daughter nursed him back to health- but again, we don't know why or what their relationship was like or how the other villagers reacted to Ronon's presence. We know that the village was attacked but, uh... was that supposed to be Nubile Daughter who was screaming as she got wraithed? If so, where was Ronon and if not, what happened to her?

For the Sateda flashbacks I would have done an overlay effect, having the people moving around, past and through Ronon. His memories haunt him, right? What better way to show that than by having the "ghosts" of Sateda surround him? And he can look on with disgust at his past self's behavior, try to stop himself from doing things he knows are going to end badly, try to save the girl from getting fried... And instead of the randomly tossed moments of he and his squad fighting back- and his squadmembers getting killed, how about showing some character moments for the squadmembers so that we feel their deaths a little more succinctly when Ronon comes across their skeletons?

This also felt like a bit of a follow-up (or possibly a lead-in) to Trinity, where Ronon killed Kell. Might have been nice if this ep had been a bit closer to that one rather than dropped randomly into season 3. It might have made the impact of events that much greater.

Pharaoh Atem
August 5th, 2006, 07:26 AM
Very nice episode; probably one of the best I have seen in some time. :)

I am even watching the rerun now; guess I must have really liked it. :eek:



Since I know I am going to be annoying whomever I can with my Blog about tonights episodes I will just say this.........

I was completely and utterly enthralled with Jason's performance. I normally don't watch the second airing of either show since the first airing comes on so late for me.

Tonight I waited just to watch this one again. I was so thrilled with everything about this episode from the lighting to the filming to the acting on everyone's part But Jason...WOW!!

so for any that do read my blog... fair warning :D ...I will be saying LOTS of nice things this week :D
I'm 100& percent with the both of you after the first airing i ran in my room and grabbed my VCR and hooked it up to the living room TV (scifi comes in clearer there then in my room for some reason) and make damn sure i got Sateda on tape :ronan:

vaberella
August 5th, 2006, 07:33 AM
This episode was the best episode this season. It was interesting and had good action sequences. Only two things I can really say, because they nagged me:

Enough time had passed for the bodies to decompose to the point where you could see bone, but all the weapons on the planet were still operational? There should have been so much grime, grit, and dirt in those guns that they could never be fired without extensive cleaning.

And of course Ronon's entire squad was wiped out. That happens when everybody stands in the freaking open!


Ahh your defining guns by Earth standards. Not a good way to define guns. For all the drama Ronon's gun has faced on this show it's still around. I think the guns on Sateda are probably made of really great material. I didn't think they needed cleaning, just blow off a few dust bunies and as ready as ever.

Hmmm...this friend situation is interesting, it looked like his buds were killed out on the open, yet he was in a closed corridor when he saw their bodies. Unless he had to two sets of military buds.

But meh, no need to even bother with them, because it didn't detract from the episode as a whole which was definitely a 100/10!!:ronan:

prion
August 5th, 2006, 07:33 AM
*eyes thread* Wow, aren't I the odd Wraith out? I had high expectations for this ep and while in some ways those expectations were surpassed, they also failed miserably in some of the more important aspects- namely the background on Ronon.

While I felt we gained a lot of fabulous insights into the rest of the characters, I didn't feel that we learned anything new about Ronon and I had really been looking forward to finding out more about who he is... and who he was.

I was also utterly crushed by the lack of Lorne. Who the frack was Major Buzzcut?

The Shep and Teyla scene was nice, as were the bits between Carson and Rodney. Weir and Caldwell at least got token appearances and it looks like Chuck the Technician has a new 'do.

Loved Rodney getting shot in the ass, but I'd have been happier without the drug-induced rambling which seemed like more of a chance to mock the character than to do anything useful.

I really REALLY need to pay closer attention to the opening credits, although I think I'd probably have watched even if I'd known Lorne wouldn't be in it just because I had such high hopes of learning more about Ronon. Why didn't I know better?

Shadow, I think you need to totally avoid all spoilers as this isn't the first episode you had high expectations for and then you hated.

With the present writing staff, Stargate is never going to have the character depth of other shows, such as BSG, ER, etc.

Lorne - the actor may have been busy - he's been filming a lot of 4400s lately. Quite often a character will get replaced with another hwen an actor isn't available.

I think we did get insight into ROnon and saw another side of him besides the surly runner we're accustomed to. I liked the bits of insight we saw into Shep and the rest of the team as to how they regard each other, even if half the team is incapable of adequately expressing it.

Until the writers lose their fear of character development, we're going to get it in short scenes. And take EVERYTHING the writers say in interviews with a shaker of salt. THey're always telling us how great things was and how much we're going to get in background - hell, SHep fans have been waiting since day one for background on Shep and he's the lead character!

RobJones
August 5th, 2006, 07:34 AM
great episode, loved seeing the characters acting like they are good friends :)

Season 4 on the horizen :)

Hatusu
August 5th, 2006, 07:35 AM
Since I know I am going to be annoying whomever I can with my Blog about tonights episodes I will just say this.........
so for any that do read my blog... fair warning :D ...I will be saying LOTS of nice things this week :D
I ran right over to look. It's not there yet. :(
http://bestsmileys.com/weather/2.gif
Hatusu ducks one of Tame's bolts of lightning. :D

prion
August 5th, 2006, 07:36 AM
Ahh your defining guns by Earth standards. Not a good way to define guns. For all the drama Ronon's gun has faced on this show it's still around. I think the guns on Sateda are probably made of really great material. I didn't think they needed cleaning, just blow off a few dust bunies and as ready as ever.

100/10!!:ronan:

Weapons that work years after lying in dirt don't bother me. You can stillget blown up by buried ordinance in Europe that was set out in WW II. Just cuz it's old doens't mean it won't work, and as pointed out above, these are alien weapons. Whose to say their standard of quality exceeds Earth standards, which can sometimes have the awful tendency to jam.

SnoggingPicard
August 5th, 2006, 07:36 AM
Dude...seriously...DUDE!

That episode was freaking incredible in every sense of the word. All of the pieces just fit together and reminded me why I love Stargate sooooo much. The camera work, the special effects, the humor a la Rodney, the background for Ronon, the character interaction...yup, I'm pretty much speechless. Thanks to all who worked on this episode -- you guys have truly outdone yourselves this time! *happy sigh*

ShadowMaat
August 5th, 2006, 07:41 AM
think we did get insight into ROnon and saw another side of him besides the surly runner we're accustomed to.
Really? When was that? Other than the suicide threat I didn't see an awful lot that was different about him. He still seemed angry in the flashbacks. He was gruff and commanding towards his girlfriend, yelling at her for not escaping when she had the chance; he was all tension and impatience, even in the flashbacks. It would have been nice to see some tender scenes- particularly with his girlfriend- and it would have helped to see him laughing and relaxed at least part of the time, something to juxtapose the wild changes in his character after he became a runner. Instead he seemed to be pretty much the same before and after, with maybe a little more solitariness thrown in.

vaberella
August 5th, 2006, 07:44 AM
:hammond:
Weapons that work years after lying in dirt don't bother me. You can stillget blown up by buried ordinance in Europe that was set out in WW II. Just cuz it's old doens't mean it won't work, and as pointed out above, these are alien weapons. Whose to say their standard of quality exceeds Earth standards, which can sometimes have the awful tendency to jam.
I agree, check out whom and what I was was quoting...you said what I said. :D

Sela
August 5th, 2006, 07:47 AM
I'm 100& percent with the both of you after the first airing i ran in my room and grabbed my VCR and hooked it up to the living room TV (scifi comes in clearer there then in my room for some reason) and make damn sure i got Sateda on tape :ronan:
Sadeta is definately one that I'm keeping on tape.

macktheknife
August 5th, 2006, 07:54 AM
Awesome ep.

9 and a half slow motion explosions out of 10.

Pharaoh Atem
August 5th, 2006, 07:54 AM
. He was gruff and commanding towards his girlfriend, yelling at her for not escaping when she had the chance; he was all tension and impatience, even in the flashbacks. It would have been nice to see some tender scenes- particularly with his girlfriend- and it would have helped to see him laughing and relaxed at least part of the time,.
well if you had a love one or someone important to you and you knew there was a chance there where going to die wouldn't you be a little desperate to get them out of harms way

Sela
August 5th, 2006, 08:01 AM
....did the girl who played ronon's wife bother anyone else? i can't figure if it's the actress, or the character/writing.
She bothered me and I'm still trying to figure out why. For a moment at the beginning, I honestly thought maybe she was a kid sister. She came across as a whiny little girl instead of a serious thoughful woman. Maybe it was her voice...maybe she seemed just a bit too delicate. I don't know for sure, but she bothered me.

Sela
August 5th, 2006, 08:06 AM
I found that moment reinforced the state in which Ronon had become lost. It summed up nearly a decade of issues. Think about it. He'd been sent to a planet that used to be home to his people. He was being hunted (again) by the enemy that destroyed his world in every conceivable way. This time he was fighting amid the husks of his former teammates, in what was left of buildings that used to be whole. Those motions and cries just before he took on the uber-Wraith reminded me that between the moment of confrontation with the uber-Wraith and the battle he'd lost on Sateda there had been seven or eight years of bitter isolation ... It communicated primal rage (pure Ronon) and absolute desolation (new Ronon moment for me) in just a few instants and therefore (for me) worked really well.
Well said. Ronon had been carrying around all of this pain, anger and guilt through the whole show. The Wraith had stolen his life and he was taking it back. It was Ronon saying to the wraith that it's enough, it's over and somebody is going to die today. I though it was a powerful moment of reclaimation and rebirth for Ronon and Jason played it well.

kymeric
August 5th, 2006, 08:43 AM
:wraith:*This is the first time we've seen a hive led by a male. Quite the change from the BEE HIVE social structure of the first two years.:wraithqueen17: I wonder if this hive was the exception. Gives some political/cultural differences between how some hives run. Maybe there are some matriarcy, some patri, and Im waiting for democratic wraith. "All in favor of eating everyone on this planet raise ure hand"

:ronan: *Rhonin has emotions. Wierd. Did anyone else feel his wife had it coming. Im all for naieve idealistic hand wringin, but i have never seen anyone more determined to die. Not even the son in the war of the worlds remake!

:sheppard: *Man Sheppards got some back story. Trust me, no one is that withdrawn and unable to communicate without something big that happened to them. I bet his parents were gunned down in a dark alley leading him to vow justice as a caped crusader! ... Uhm .....

*EDIT*
Oh and ROFL at the wraith sunglasses.

Pocus
August 5th, 2006, 09:36 AM
Wow! is the first thought that comes to mind when I think of this episode. It was full of good things: Explosions, character development, explosions, team development, explosions, sinister villians, explosions, leather *sigh*. Nice job!

Stuff I liked:

*Getting some insight into what Ronon had to deal with for seven years. It makes it easier to understand his "shoot first, especially if it is Wraith" attitude. I thought the flashbacks were great. They were short bursts of uncontrolled memories of the last time he was there. If he had not been in mortal danger, then the flashbacks probably would have been different. They would have been more selective and sad remembering life on Sateda, not the death and destruction.

*John and Teyla interaction. It had a feeling of mending bridges to me. I think that way back in Letters from Pegasus, Teyla developed a "them and us" feeling about the people on Atlantis and the people in the Pegasus Galaxy when John did not do what she expected him to do. The situation was totally different from going to find Ronon, but I think that she was still surprised at the effort and committment that was put into locating and going after Ronon. I liked how John tried to explain his feelings to her about the people on Atlantis and certain ones in specific. It was great to hear him say what he would be willing to do to save his "family" on Atlantis.

*Rodney was great. Yes, he got shot in the butt with an arrow, but he handled it well. He did not let it get in the way of going to get his friend. He is another one that does not show emotion well. He would rather hide behind science and ego than admit out loud that he cares. BUT, he did just that when fighting with Carson about who was going to help the team out. He felt that it was his place to go. He may have never had a conversation with Ronon, but he has seen what type of person Ronon is and how far he will go to save someone. Rodney respects and likes strong personalities and Ronan is just that!

*Carson has come a long way since Rising. He did not hesitate to do what needed to be done to save Ronon and he definitely seemed willing to go do more if necessary.

*The Wraith were a little more individualized. It was cool seeing some different looks and technology. The Big Wraith was interesting. He came across as scary, egocentric, and just plain mean. I thought it was interesting that he put Ronan back where it all started. He knew that would be the most hurtful thing.

(now for the shallow, entertainment stuff)

* leather and black uniforms for all -- woohoo

* explosions and cool weapons

* lots of good fight scenes

* Rodney's boxers

Stuff I did not like:

thinking.....

* We had to wait this long for an action episode with character/team development in it.

*

Nope, can't come up with anything else!

shockwave
August 5th, 2006, 09:44 AM
A great episode
Probably the best SGA episode
the character development, the action
they should make more episodes like this instead of episodes about stupid behaviour and cheesyness

the closest thing to a BSG episode SGA has

RCC should write more stuff like this

buzlighty1
August 5th, 2006, 10:06 AM
this episode had everything. it was like a mini movie.

It was great to see what Jason is capable of as actor and hopefully has earned some respect from the Pro Ford fans. who are always looking down at him as the guy that just replaced Ford.

Sateda is what Atlantis should be and it shows that SGA has a bright future

Yeah its an awesome episode. But i think it fit more into season 2 then it does season 3. I'd rather them explained why the wraith can't feed on him. Plus whats with the male wraith controling his own hive. What do you think?

AGateFan
August 5th, 2006, 10:15 AM
Maybe Ronan killed the queen the last time he was taken hostage and thats why the dominant male wraith was so p'd off? Of course if that had happen you think they would have showed it.

Maybe their last queen died and the new canadates dont think this hive is worth the effort because they were never able to kill Ronan and so they have to kill ronan to get a new queen. But then why the game, why not kill him outright.

Maybe this is like a training hive where all the young males hang out hunting trying to get accepted by other hives with queens. That doesnt quite work.

But a hive of males that were booted from their oringal hives by the queens and the other dominant males... that kind of works. These wraith all looked a bit different then your normal wraith so maybe they were outcast. Kind like in nature when one animal gets kicked out of a group and it has to go make its own new group... generally the young males all kind of congragate together and fight amongst themselves to get some experience and some attention from the femals.

I guess maybe Michael would have ended up with a group like this, or made his own (maybe still will).

macktheknife
August 5th, 2006, 10:19 AM
what about that wraith from condemmed?

aaobuttons
August 5th, 2006, 10:21 AM
I really liked this episode. I don't think it was the best, or even one of the best, but it's definetly a great episode. It unfortunately went a little long and repetitive in spots and if it had been tightened a bit it would have flowed better.

Likes:
- Ronon development. It's about time. I really liked how he cried out when he was in pain, and more than once. So many times hero types are silent or just grunt when they get punched, thrown, stabbed, etc., and that's not a person really acts. His hug to Beckett was great! Reminded me of a fic I read a long time ago called something like Androcles and the Lion.
- The Shep/Teyla scene. Great to see a bit under that Coolness shield of Sheps. And how he awkwardly patted her hand, like he didn't really know how to show affection. I really wish this had been in early season 2 though... It just seems like they've been through too much together to be having this conversation now.
- Rodney and Carson the heroes!
- Shep didn't save the day!

Dislikes:
- Why have Caldwell there, just another example of him disagreeing with the team for no plot reason. It could have easily been handled off screen since the team got their way.
- Why does Teyla feel like she's not a part of Atlantis??? She's freaking IN COMMAND when Elizabeth goes to Earth!!! And what's up with her only saying Shep and Weir make her feel like one of them, Rodney has been backing her 100% since Suspicion!
- Rodney did NOT need to get shot in the butt. He could have easily gotten hit in the leg or side or arm and still had the same effect. The butt only served to make it OBVIOUS that we are supposed to be making fun of him.
- Can they even TRY to make the structures look different from planet to planet! I understand budgets and such and only have so many places to shoot, but when a location is used for a major scene in another episode, DON'T use it in another major scene... at least not 2 seasons in a row, without trying to make it look different.

AGateFan
August 5th, 2006, 10:21 AM
what about that wraith from condemmed?
I dont have enough informaton on him. He could have been serving as a mouth piece for the queen on the thrown. This guy was definitly sitting on the thrown and definitly looked like he had some genetic defects or something.

cindyz
August 5th, 2006, 10:23 AM
WOW! a great episode! Finally, some backstory on Ronan. Jason Momoa has done a brilliant job with his character. and the stunts and fight scenes were impressive. Thanks to 2Bam for that! I give this episode 2 thumbs up and a 10!

Fatewarns
August 5th, 2006, 10:42 AM
:wraith:*This is the first time we've seen a hive led by a male. Quite the change from the BEE HIVE social structure of the first two years.:wraithqueen17: I wonder if this hive was the exception. Gives some political/cultural differences between how some hives run. Maybe there are some matriarcy, some patri, and Im waiting for democratic wraith. "All in favor of eating everyone on this planet raise ure hand"

maybe wraith social structures are simliar to pirate social structures, like if the current leader of the ship on a pirate isn't doing well the crew can force him to step down.

starfox
August 5th, 2006, 11:10 AM
Notes on the Ronon character development side of things.

*I'm pretty sure I read in the spoilers that Malena was supposed to be his wife, so that's the angle I was watching that from. But I thought that because I was spoiled for it, not because it was shown. If they were supposed to be married, a wedding scene in the flashbacks would have been nice.

*Ronon's concern for his team. The desperation JM put into the "leave them out of this" and the moment at the end show that he does care about these people, which is important. You have a guy who has lost everything; it would be much easier to simply not give a sh*t after all that. But he does. I think that's one of the reasons they had to put this into season 3, so enough time would have passed that it would be believable to see everyone caring this much. And, if the episode had been played 3rd instead of 4th, it would have been in the same place "Runner" was last year.

*I'm kinda glad we didn't learn more about Ronon's past. This way my theories that Ronon was a teacher and/or poet and/or university student that got conscripted aren't totally blown to hell (what? It's a hell of a lot more interesting than making him straight military).

Elinor
August 5th, 2006, 11:15 AM
Wonderful episode! Thoroughly enjoyed it. Well done to cast and crew!

Jason did ever so well and, at last, we get some story on Ronon. Loved the action scenes. The whole thing was shot very stylishly and the background music was fab to.

Great, great character moments in this one. Loved the scenes between McKay and Carson. I'm so glad Carson seems to be being used more this season so far. Those two fighting over the gun! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/lachen/laughing-smiley-010.gif

Favourite scene for me though was between John and Teyla. Oh my word...touching or what?! That kinda brought a tear to my eye actually....really well done! Shep is so screwed up!!


*Man Sheppards got some back story. Trust me, no one is that withdrawn and unable to communicate without something big that happened to them. I bet his parents were gunned down in a dark alley leading him to vow justice as a caped crusader!

LOL! Well he has started wearing the 'black'...who knows what we might see him in next!!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-009.gif

Korean_Turtle87
August 5th, 2006, 11:17 AM
this episode frakking rocked!

vaberella
August 5th, 2006, 11:38 AM
Wonderful episode! Thoroughly enjoyed it. Well done to cast and crew!

Jason did ever so well and, at last, we get some story on Ronon. Loved the action scenes. The whole thing was shot very stylishly and the background music was fab to.

Great, great character moments in this one. Loved the scenes between McKay and Carson. I'm so glad Carson seems to be being used more this season so far. Those two fighting over the gun! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/lachen/laughing-smiley-010.gif

Favourite scene for me though was between John and Teyla. Oh my word...touching or what?! That kinda brought a tear to my eye actually....really well done! Shep is so screwed up!!



LOL! Well he has started wearing the 'black'...who knows what we might see him in next!!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-009.gif


Agreed Beanie. You know what...All I have to say is when Shep gets his backstory...he needs slow motion as well. It's just not right for him not to get slo-mo!!:sheppard: :sheppard:

Ouroboros
August 5th, 2006, 11:44 AM
This was the episode Ronon needed a year ago, before they found him even. This was the episode that gave him more depth and meaning as a character. It was also a pretty good episode in it's own right.

Hopefully this episode will have proved to TPTB that Ronon (and Momoa) are capable of doing more for the show than acting senselessly hostile toward everything that crosses in front of him. I want this Ronon to stay, he's infinitely more interesting than the Ronon he replaced.

I think this episode pretty much killed the idea of Wraith hives as bee hives to. Unless that giant tank-like ******* was the ugliest Wraith female ever to grace the show. I wonder how he beat the apparent Wraith matriarchy and got his own hiveship and cadre of follower goons?

Was he a commander in his own right or just a lesser follower of a more powerful hivequeen who'd been granted his own ship? Maybe he's the guy that Wraith hives send their newbie hunters to for training?

Whatever the case this was a good episode. It gave some clues as to what a Wraith attack on Earth might be like, gave a lot of good development to Ronon, Shep and Teyla and it comes at the perfect time to erase some of the stain of last weeks disaster. It also contains nothing that's ethically questionable, nothing that makes the team look like idiots suceeding due to divine protection alone, and no significant plotholes.

5/5 for me. More like this please.

NotAscended
August 5th, 2006, 12:03 PM
Great episode! I've liked Ronan from the beginning and been waiting for his backstory. It's seemed like a long time coming, but this episode was definitely worth the wait.

I also was intrigued by the reveal that there are other runners out there, and Atlantis now knows where they are. I hope they follow up on that. Now that we know Ronan really feels like a part of the team, I would think he would want to help find those other runners and bring them into the fold. Can you imagine Ronan heading up a group of ex-runners against the Wraith? There would be some serious Wraith-thumping going on. :ronan:

FineWolf
August 5th, 2006, 12:07 PM
All I can say is: "priceless":

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/1046/gottalovemckayfixzu9.jpg

bluealien
August 5th, 2006, 12:15 PM
Excellent ep and possibly my favourite so far.

Ronan was fantastic - Jason did a wonderful job.

Loved Sheppard and Teyla and the cafeteria scene was my favourite. It is the first time we have seen John trying to deal with his feelings and seeing him trying to show affection to Teyla was really heartwarming.


Loved McKay and I found him hilarious but not over the top. I loved the scene with Caldwell and he was right - he cannot risk his entire crew for the sake of one man, and I was quite glad to see him stand up to Weir for a change. I think Sheppard saw that Caldwell made sense and came to the compromise that dropping them off near the planet would be the best option.

Carson and McKay fighting over the gun was priceless and I loved the fact that it was Carson who saved the day.

I nearly sqealed when the jumber de-cloaked over Ronan and the Wraith. I really didn't expect that and I like to be surprised.

All over great ep and my first 10/10 for a long time.:)

NotAscended
August 5th, 2006, 12:27 PM
Carson and McKay fighting over the gun was priceless and I loved the fact that it was Carson who saved the day.

I nearly sqealed when the jumber de-cloakaed over Ronan and the Wraith. I really didn't expect that and I like to be surprised.



Just want to chime in on the Carson lurv. For some time now, TPTB have set up Carson as not-your-ordinary-doctor in terms of how he deals with situations. We've been seeing the character grow from being a bit fearful of dealing with most situations in S1 to someone who is now willing to grab and gun and defend his team.

Most sci-fi shows keep doctor characters in the mold of the person who is the voice of reason or a moralist. When they do cross the line of the Hippocratic Oath, they are usually portrayed as bad. However, TPTB have made Carson a very unusual character in that they have shown him willing to do "bad" things like taking up a weapon in a good context (saving a member of his team). More and more, I'm appreciating that Carson is being given a lot more depth than your average sci-fi doctor character.

That wasn't very well said, but I hope it makes sense. :beckett:

latvian_stargatefan
August 5th, 2006, 01:07 PM
...It gave some clues as to what a Wraith attack on Earth might be like,...
5/5 for me. More like this please.

Was that the only one hive that attacked Sateda or there were some of them. We don't know really what weapons Satedians posessed (except that cool Ronon's guns which for me shows that Sateda wasn't far from Earth's level of technology). Maybe these were the best they posessed or was some railgun stations or something like Stingers too. We don't know how many population was on Sateda. I heard the radio when Ronon talked to his wife that the last culling took place 200 years ago. Maybe there wasn't so much people to defend their planet. If the only one hive ship would attack the Earth I think there would be slim chanse for them to destroy all population on Earth because we are 6.5 billion and could bring total military force that would outnumbered the Wraith easily. There couldn't be any chance for them on the ground (Teyla took out 8 by herself, Sheppard-6), their hives have no shielding technology so we could throw all our atomic bombs on their hive and their gliders would've been taken out easily with railgun stations (like in the season 1 finals), Stingers or russian Iglas. Of course all F-16, F-18 and Russian SU planes could do some job. But maybe they sent there only 1 hive because they knew that the Satedians are not so cool or are not in big numbers and if they would deal with Earth they would sent bunch of hives (because here are many FOOOOD)

npattis
August 5th, 2006, 01:09 PM
I am going to make love to this episode tonight.

Linzi
August 5th, 2006, 01:14 PM
:sheppard: *Man Sheppards got some back story. Trust me, no one is that withdrawn and unable to communicate without something big that happened to them. I bet his parents were gunned down in a dark alley leading him to vow justice as a caped crusader! ... Uhm .....



Oh I wish!

Bossman
August 5th, 2006, 01:20 PM
Well, it would be pointless to say just how cool this ep was, since it's already obvious :jack:

I just wanted to note the fact that even though the ep was pretty serious for most of the time, it did have some comic relief at just the right moments...

Rodney was huge with the whole "Well too bad. You tell that ungrateful example of unevolved humanity that we came all this way to rescue him..." while the conversation between Teyla and Shep during the last fight had me laugh out loud... I mean, Ronon was getting his ass kicked up one way and down the other and these two were discussing the morality of killing the BFW (Big Freaking Wraith) that was tearing him to shreds.

Thank God for Carson and the American legal system :cameron:

Vapor
August 5th, 2006, 01:23 PM
HOLY CRAP, that was an awesome Atlantis episode!!!

That's gotta be one of the best SGA eps that they've ever done- it was just fantastic from beginning to end!

The episode made me like Ronon in ways that previous episodes failed. The intensity in his action, especially with the knife to his throat, and in all of the action, was insane.

Speaking of action, that's gotta be some of the best of SGA, and thankfully, it didn't turn into yet another spaceshipfest, cuz that just wouldn't have worked for me.

The use of character was also excellent, not only with Ronon, but with pretty much everybody. The scene between Teyla and Shep was especially good. At LAST, I see something concerning the character that isn't the usual "I'm the great, hot leader" thing. He has trouble expressing deep emotions. Coolness. The shippy stuff aside...

There are so many wonderful shots involving Ronon in this ep. The grenade-tossing gag was just PIMP. The figth with the Wraith in the dark was frickin awesome, especially the final moment when he comes bursting out of the door.

In short, the episode just rocked.

More like this one, please! :>

mgbland
August 5th, 2006, 01:46 PM
With last week's humorous episode coming so early in season three, I suspected the next would get intense, and it did.

Loved it when Beckett fired a drone at the wraith.

Just wondering. How many wraith disobeyed the hibernation edict? We have the wraith the captured Ronan and turned him into a runner, and the wraith in season two that fed on the convicts on the island.

I really hope this makes the ratings blossom.

kirmit
August 5th, 2006, 01:52 PM
I'll probably get shot for this but I have mixed feelings for this ep, there was alot I liked but alot I disliked aswell.

Firstly what I liked. I loved the beginning with mckay getting shot in the butt, really good laugh, I liked Ronon's little speech about killing himself before he lets his friends being taken by the wraith. I really liked that wraith in this episode (I haven't always been the biggest wraith fan) I loved that for once they weren't killing to survive but actually just for the sport and the new wraith outfits looked excellent. The wraith king was really kool, even if he did seem a tad speech impaired, wish they hadn't of killed him would of liked him to be recurring. Also really liked beckett and Mckay fighting over the gun for ages lol. I liked ronon's general backstory aswell, it's good to know a bit about your characters.

Now the bad unfortunately, even though there isn't that much wrong. Weir got on my nerves in this episode, the fact she was willing to put a whole ship of people at risk for one man seemed really dumb, fair enough if the crew were willing to risk their lifes for ronon but it seemed like she was going to force them into it and let her personal feelings get involved too much. I hate say it but I hated the bonding in this episode (I know it's what atlantis has been lacking), it seemed like too much crammed into one episode for my liking. Also the relationships were too apparent (forced on us if you will), in sg-1 they never said about how close they were but you could just see it from the little things they did and seemed close without needing to say it. The only other thing I didn't like was Ronon's whole ape beating his chest before he took on the wraith king lol. Oh and it didn't like the part where ronon took out all the wraith in the warehouse, he put all the guns in the right positions but how did he know where the wraith were going to go? Bit too convenient.

In all a good episode but for me not the fantastic episode I thought it would be, sorry to be so pessimistic lol :cameron: .

Scarym1
August 5th, 2006, 01:53 PM
SGUEEE!!!!!!

That was the best ep for S3 and possibly the best ep ever!!!!! :cool: :cool:

THe writers said we were going to get some character moments and boy did we hit the mother load. :D :D

Rodney getting shot with an arrow was both amusing and angsty. Besides the John and Teyla brilliantly written conversation, I loved all of Carson/Rodney scenes from the infirmary where he is high on morphine to them fighting over the rifle so they can go help rescue Ronan. Rodney description of Sheppard, Teyla and Ronan while on the morphine was perfect. Love the reference to Sheppard's hair and then callin Ronan a caveman. :lol:

Was it just me or did Sheppard looked almost teary eyed during his convo with Teyla? I might just have to go back and watch this again. :) :) Then Rodney and Carson show up with the puddle jumper and blast the crap out of that wraith. It was so sweet to see Ronan hug Carson.

I love the confrontation with Cadwell. John saying that the reason Caldwell isn't interested in rescuing Ronan is that he does belong to their military. Then his snipe at Weir when she said that we don't leave people behind was so cool. I love seeing that there is some tension there.

Loved the way they shot it. The Ronan/Wraith fight scenes were incredible. Loved the flashbacks to Ronan's life before he became a runner.

An all round EXCEPTIONAL EP!!!:
sheppard: :teyla: :mckay: :weir: :ronan: :beckett: :zelenka25:

Anubis-
August 5th, 2006, 02:09 PM
Jason make good job. I like this episode, maybe best episode of Atlantis, least at one of the best.

By the way, leader of the wraith, it seems to my eye that is male? Ugly is.

Scarym1
August 5th, 2006, 02:25 PM
Notes as I'm rewatching the episode:

*Sheppard going against Caldwell while wearing the black leather jacket just emphasized the sense of 'rebel' that the writers have been trying to work into him. Leather-covered back as he strides past Caldwell? It's the very symbol of young rebel.

*I think I just saw Ronon use a triple-barrelled shotgun. That wins. I admit, I have a weakness for big guns. And that gun? Just. so. cool.

*McKay insulting Ronon like a drill sergeant? So awesome.
And how has no one mentioned Rodney's lemon-lime print boxers before now?



I don't usually notice the clothing but I couldn't take my eyes off of
Rodney's boxer shorts!!!!! ;) :cool:

That leather jacket that Sheppard was wearing was so sexy!!!! OMG!!!

More reasons to love this ep.:D

The more Rodney insults someone the more he cares about them. If he didn't like someone, he would just ignore them.

TameFarrar
August 5th, 2006, 02:34 PM
I ran right over to look. It's not there yet. :(
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Hatusu ducks one of Tame's bolts of lightning. :D
LOL...I said THIS WEEK....not this minute :D.... But I so love that you are my one and only fan.... I have to pay Sela to read ;)

drufan
August 5th, 2006, 02:34 PM
I believe Ronon's most telling scene is where he is pulling shrapnel from his leg in the hospital. I believe we learned everything right there. Utter loss to rage to despair to pain. Loved this episode. The character moments were the icing and far too long in coming.:)

TameFarrar
August 5th, 2006, 02:37 PM
Well for starters I would have skipped the Village of Plot Device flashbacks entirely. While they may have conveyed that Ronon was taken in by the villagers and they were later attacked by the Wraith, we could have gotten that just fine from Feerless Leader. The flashbacks were too disjointed and didn't convey enough information. Yeah, we get that he was dying- but we don't know why. We get that Nubile Daughter nursed him back to health- but again, we don't know why or what their relationship was like or how the other villagers reacted to Ronon's presence. We know that the village was attacked but, uh... was that supposed to be Nubile Daughter who was screaming as she got wraithed? If so, where was Ronon and if not, what happened to her?

For the Sateda flashbacks I would have done an overlay effect, having the people moving around, past and through Ronon. His memories haunt him, right? What better way to show that than by having the "ghosts" of Sateda surround him? And he can look on with disgust at his past self's behavior, try to stop himself from doing things he knows are going to end badly, try to save the girl from getting fried... And instead of the randomly tossed moments of he and his squad fighting back- and his squadmembers getting killed, how about showing some character moments for the squadmembers so that we feel their deaths a little more succinctly when Ronon comes across their skeletons?

This also felt like a bit of a follow-up (or possibly a lead-in) to Trinity, where Ronon killed Kell. Might have been nice if this ep had been a bit closer to that one rather than dropped randomly into season 3. It might have made the impact of events that much greater.


Ya know ....as much as I truly enjoyed this episode as I read through your ideas on how to make it better I thought....Wow...if they would have done it like this...I would have been even more impressed :)

Those are some great ideas Shadow!! :D :D

So quick before they film everything... write more stuff and send it to them :D because if we can get more of this kind of quality from SGA I will be watching it with a whole lot more enthusiasum :D :D

Ensign M.I.T.S
August 5th, 2006, 02:45 PM
Great episode! Great playing! Great directoring! Far more over my best expectations, really impressive.
I've truly enjoined the director's cut of this episode and the use of the flashbacks. Blu-dizzy for the present scenes and yellow-orange like old film have a really good contrast. The flashbacks are painful for Ronon and the clear cut between present and past, with real white flash between, gave a great impact, I mean cinematographally.
I liked the moments where the team showed their feeling or talk about their feelings to each other, really nice writing. Thumbs up.
Writers gave us some new hints about the characters, intriguing, but they didn't show too much... and I like this way, though someone else would like much more, all and immediately.


ROBERT C. COOPER ROCKS!

And Sheppard in leather jacket is soooo gorgeous

calajane
August 5th, 2006, 02:56 PM
I loved the episode. All the drama and characterization was simply amazing. Jason reached the whole new level. Simply fantastic.
Carson and Rosney were amazing too. And funny as hell.
I could go on and on about Sheppard jacket (*love*) or Teyla's mimic expressions (*priceless*).
But instead, I have one question:
Who the hell was that Lorne wannabe?? Where is my favourite major? Was he injured or something? *is worried*

nightowl300
August 5th, 2006, 03:08 PM
This episode was great! I give it a perfect 10.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
August 5th, 2006, 03:24 PM
okay i got to admit Mckay getting shot in the butt and he was like "oh that did not happen" had me rolling on the floor laughing my butt off. i like the fact that they decided to go with a black uniform looked alot cooler with the vests. i hope they use the black in alot more episodes i was getting tired of the blue. um i believe that this year we will get to see alot more of sheppard's backstory right before the mid-season finale. I thought what sheppard teyla should've done was shot the wraith while it was looking at the jumper and then beckett should've shot the drone just to finish him. i liked ronan's "i win" line he looked happy or something. i thought when mckay told sheppard he was flying the jumper, sheppard had a look like "your flying" look and this was a pretty good episode can't wait for next week's episode here comes our new bad guy.

prion
August 5th, 2006, 03:36 PM
I loved the episode. All the drama and characterization was simply amazing. Jason reached the whole new level. Simply fantastic.
Carson and Rosney were amazing too. And funny as hell.
I could go on and on about Sheppard jacket (*love*) or Teyla's mimic expressions (*priceless*).
But instead, I have one question:
Who the hell was that Lorne wannabe?? Where is my favourite major? Was he injured or something? *is worried*

I wouldn't worry about Kavan Smith. He's been quite busy on 4400 as well. It's very possible that there was a scheduling conflict and he was already working on 4400; on Stargate, his character can be replaced by another soldier, but on 4400, his character can't.

Easter Lily
August 5th, 2006, 03:46 PM
You were thinking John Woo and I was think Sam Peckinpaw (Stagecoach). Truely top notch camera work. A very visually stunning episode.
I thought it was superb too... loved the slow-mo and the freeze frames, in particular.
Rumour is that Peckinpah is one of Woo's favourites so the connection appears logical. Don't remember Peckinpah doing Stagecoach though.

Pity there was no Mexican Standoff as well... :P

PG15
August 5th, 2006, 03:47 PM
Wonderful episode. If this doesn't earn an emmy in something then...well, bad stuff will happen. ;)

It seems that Atlantis has stumbled upon the BSG-effect, where mediocre plots are turned into masterpieces thanks to the direcing, the editing, and the music. So a big BRAVO!!! to Rob Cooper! :D

Ok, the points:

As I said, the directing was THE BEST that Stargate has ever done. The flashbacks were different, kinda like Collateral Damage on steroids. The angle of the shots, the slow motion...just...WOW.

LOVED the conversation between Shep and Teyla, and we finally get a little glimpse into Shep's past (apparently, he has no family). I bet the Shippers had a heart-attack during that scene. ;)

The big Xplosions! Gotta love me some bangs. :D

Jason Momoa hitted out of the park with this one. Sure, he still acted angry, but that's his personality. Even before the destruction of Sateda he was still an intense person, and I don't think anything can change that. Very well done.

A slight downside, but I just can't get over the fact that they shot this in Vancouver. ;)

Rodney was awesome in this one as well! From his Morphine-induced blathering to his almost-heart-to-heart talk with Carson on the Deddy. It's like the convo between Shep and Teyla, but more McKay-like. ;)

One last thing. I'm afraid that, for me, some parts did indeed slide into soap-opera territory, especially the scenes with Ronon's wife. It appears to be unavoidable though, so no big deal.

Score: 9.5/10

Brivilya Almasy
August 5th, 2006, 04:26 PM
What an amazing episode! This is my first post here, and what an episode to start posting,lol. I seriously almost cried. It was soo good. Ronon's background story was told and it was so sad what happened to his world and his wife. I don't really know his character that well because i haven't seen season 2 yet. My friend has been taping season 3 for me thank god,lol.
But still, i like his character a lot. This was definitely one of the best episodes ever and IS the best episode of the season so far.

Sela
August 5th, 2006, 04:31 PM
LOL...I said THIS WEEK....not this minute :D.... But I so love that you are my one and only fan.... I have to pay Sela to read ;)
Hey - where's my check from last week?

Sela
August 5th, 2006, 04:39 PM
I thought it was superb too... loved the slow-mo and the freeze frames, in particular.
Rumour is that Peckinpah is one of Woo's favourites so the connection appears logical. Don't remember Peckinpah doing Stagecoach though.

Pity there was no Mexican Standoff as well... :P
You're right. He didn't do Stagecoach all though he did just about every other Western movie that I love.

I even spelled the poor man's name wrong. It's Peckinpah with an 'h' not a 'w'.

Some fan I am. LOL!

wolverine_nl
August 5th, 2006, 04:46 PM
Great episode....no words for it but 5 stars ***** :ronananime01:

McDork
August 5th, 2006, 04:57 PM
Wow. just wow. Finally got around to viewing this episode, and i wasnt disapointed, it was so worth the wait.

I've never had a problem as some people with Ronon being on the team.. (as i didnt like Ford), but this episode has made me love him. He must be such a strong person to go through all that, and still have the will to fight. Although he doesnt say it much.. his willingness to sacrifice himself for John and Teyla shows how much they have bonded. And the hug with Carson made me all teary-eyed lol.

I loved McKay getting shot, that was way beyond funny on so many levels. And him on the morphine was superb. Also the banter between him and Carson in the jumper had me nearly squeeing at my PC screen.

It was nice to see Carson be part of the team willingly instead of his usual "Im a doctor, not a <insert word here>". McKay and Carson fighting over the gun was great.

Sheppard was adorable in the entire episode, his conversation with Teyla aboard the Daedalus was sweet.. nice to see that side to him for once.

I LOVE the black uniforms, a nice change.

Two things i did have issues with..

Where was Lorne? who the frell was this new guy.. i dont like him. I want Lorne back..

Also, the Caldwell VS Everyone stories are getting old.. and i hated the way they talked to him.. like he hasnt done enough with being ordered by Weir to potentially sacrifice himself and his crew in the episodes before.. its pathetic, they need to learn he isnt the enemy, and in some cases he may actually be right. Sheppard just doesnt have a clue sometimes and seems kind of clueless.

To Sum Up. Loved it! Prehaps my newest favourite episode =)

captainpash
August 5th, 2006, 04:59 PM
I have to say I didn't love this episode. It was decent, and the Rondey getting shot in the ass was great, and Ronnon was good, but some of the acting was off, which really annoyed me. The action was good, but the ep just didn't make me say yeah loved it. I'll give it a 7/10.

ladysarah
August 5th, 2006, 05:23 PM
I loved this episode. It was fantastic, I finally got my SGA squee back on!!

So, I give it, 8/10, deducting two points because...well, some of the effects were slightly off. And umm one other because I'm sure another episode will come along which is better, and I don't want to go too high yet.

Squee.

andrewag
August 5th, 2006, 06:09 PM
Reading the episode spoliers months ago I was not looking forward to this episode but i was totally wrong!

I thought they were just going to be in some crappy village running and hiding in the trees. It was great to see such a developed world and see how easily it was destroyed.

Finally they set up a back story for Ronan!

7.5 for me :)

vaberella
August 5th, 2006, 06:50 PM
I'll probably get shot for this but I have mixed feelings for this ep, there was alot I liked but alot I disliked aswell.

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Now the bad unfortunately, even though there isn't that much wrong. Weir got on my nerves in this episode, the fact she was willing to put a whole ship of people at risk for one man seemed really dumb, fair enough if the crew were willing to risk their lifes for ronon but it seemed like she was going to force them into it and let her personal feelings get involved too much.
I think it's safe to say her mistakes and off base (non-thinking) orders are legendary. Not too harp on too much about that, but Caldwell did call her on it, because she did have Caldwell risk the Daedy to save John, Ronon, and McKay---when the Daedy had their arse handed back, and not to mention much of his crew were killed or injured. Even Caldwell was like the lives of his crew for 3 guys. He did and it was successful, but they also almost died. Caldwell was totally right in his statement not to go, and I thought Weir was totally off base and out of control when she said what she said. Again really crappy writing for a character that happens to be leader. But I forgave it, since it wasn't the essential of the ep.



I hate say it but I hated the bonding in this episode (I know it's what atlantis has been lacking), it seemed like too much crammed into one episode for my liking. Also the relationships were too apparent (forced on us if you will), in sg-1 they never said about how close they were but you could just see it from the little things they did and seemed close without needing to say it.
Well it made sense to me. I mean their friend and teammate is not only in danger but John and Teyla saw him risk his own life by his own hand for them. That's a bit intense, so I didn't see it as forced, I just found it as really intense. I mean John will probably suffer something similar. This brings people together, it doesnt' tear them apart. When you lose someone or you have a mutual friend gong through something serious, people tend to band together, so I don't see it as over the top, just realistic. And based on Shep's background and most of the others and their stand point on honor and friendship---this is normal.



The only other thing I didn't like was Ronon's whole ape beating his chest before he took on the wraith king lol.
I've said it once, I'll say it again. It's a battle cry!! I think someone even got a wiki def for it. That's not something really to be laughed at. It's to show intimidation when both warriors are battling...you as a 'civilized' person probably have never experienced it. But if you study martial arts, or if you know basic warrior arts, it's expected and taught. Show's power and strenght and to make the opponent fearful. Also it provides you with intensity to get your cry across. If you notice, where did he hit himself? Exactly where he was mainly hurt...and in his chest and head...makes the cry come from the gut---the moment was great for Ronon an excellent inclusion.

It's like when you hear a baby crying or you hear continous screams, what does that awaken in you...fight or flight and causes you to act...similar reaction to do with the whole battle cry. Works for your own state of mind, focuses you and your goal.:ronan:


Oh and it didn't like the part where ronon took out all the wraith in the warehouse, he put all the guns in the right positions but how did he know where the wraith were going to go? Bit too convenient.
In all a good episode but for me not the fantastic episode I thought it would be, sorry to be so pessimistic lol :cameron: .
He's a military specialist..and based on the ep and of course Runner, we know he was probably head of his squadron. What does that mean? He figured out where the Wraith would be based on the room, and he's fought these things before, he was a Runner for YEARS afterall. So it's realistic that he strategized so well where to place the weapons. Also, he used to live in Sateda and new where everything was...it worked out and it was believable.



Wonderful episode. If this doesn't earn an emmy in something then...well, bad stuff will happen. ;)

It seems that Atlantis has stumbled upon the BSG-effect, where mediocre plots are turned into masterpieces thanks to the direcing, the editing, and the music. So a big BRAVO!!! to Rob Cooper! :D

Ok, the points:

As I said, the directing was THE BEST that Stargate has ever done. The flashbacks were different, kinda like Collateral Damage on steroids. The angle of the shots, the slow motion...just...WOW.

LOVED the conversation between Shep and Teyla, and we finally get a little glimpse into Shep's past (apparently, he has no family). I bet the Shippers had a heart-attack during that scene. ;)

The big Xplosions! Gotta love me some bangs. :D

Jason Momoa hitted out of the park with this one. Sure, he still acted angry, but that's his personality. Even before the destruction of Sateda he was still an intense person, and I don't think anything can change that. Very well done.

A slight downside, but I just can't get over the fact that they shot this in Vancouver. ;)

Rodney was awesome in this one as well! From his Morphine-induced blathering to his almost-heart-to-heart talk with Carson on the Deddy. It's like the convo between Shep and Teyla, but more McKay-like. ;)

One last thing. I'm afraid that, for me, some parts did indeed slide into soap-opera territory, especially the scenes with Ronon's wife. It appears to be unavoidable though, so no big deal.

Score: 9.5/10

You read my like a bloody book PG15. Heart-attack wasn't the word that went on when we saw that scene. People couldn't type...I think someone called 911. :D Hallowed is JT!

Shep'sSocks
August 5th, 2006, 07:05 PM
Ronon roaring and beating his chest was also a bit embarrassing. What is he, Tarzan, Lord of the Wraith now?

I thought it was rather haka-ish. Different cultures, etc.

Michelle05
August 5th, 2006, 07:11 PM
I loved it, too. I'll watch the character interactions over and over... The Sheppard and Teyla scene in the diner was so very well acted by Joe Flanigan especially. We rarely see that sort of angst from him. The dialog didn't have a lot of subtlety but it was clearly hard for Sheppard to say all that stuff and great that he finally did. Even the way Sheppard gently reminded Rodney to fly the jumper at the end was nice. The banter was underlaid with fondness, and that's what I think has been too often missing in the show.

The Ronon storyline was very stylish and well acted. It was moving and suspenseful, though I might not watch those bits over and over because Ronon was alone rather than interacting...

Kudos to RCC and to BW for spending the $ needed to make it the way RCC wrote it!

Blower'sGate
August 5th, 2006, 07:14 PM
Fantastic episode, it had everything a good episode needs, action, explosions, drama ( Jason's terrible past, Sheppard crying a little ), comedy ( poor Rodney, nah, I'm glad you took an arrow in the ass, ouch! that must have hurt !!!!

Jason Momoa is just a fascinating actor, now I'm sure the writers can never let him be a background character (like some of you said) like it has been for almost half a season. The show needs this guy!
John opening up was a smart move from the writers. Now I want his back story!!! Even a little.

By the way did you notice that Sateda's city and earth's cities look strangely alike?

vaberella
August 5th, 2006, 07:23 PM
Well for starters I would have skipped the Village of Plot Device flashbacks entirely. While they may have conveyed that Ronon was taken in by the villagers and they were later attacked by the Wraith, we could have gotten that just fine from Feerless Leader. The flashbacks were too disjointed and didn't convey enough information. Yeah, we get that he was dying- but we don't know why. We get that Nubile Daughter nursed him back to health- but again, we don't know why or what their relationship was like or how the other villagers reacted to Ronon's presence. We know that the village was attacked but, uh... was that supposed to be Nubile Daughter who was screaming as she got wraithed? If so, where was Ronon and if not, what happened to her?

Question, how important do you feel those scenes were that would have made the ep in that part so important. And how unimportant was the flashbacks were to you that you felt they held no purpose when he went to the same village that tried to help him, but he led to a culling?!

I ask this, only because I thought the flashback scenes in the village explained a lot and got the point across. As he's back in the town and he sees the leader, flashes of memory are hitting him. And if we go back to Runner or even earlier in the ep by Teyla's statement, that Ronon went to a lot of planets and probably escaped each planet to get away from the wraith. He was clearly injured and definitely have starved when he ended up on said planet.

The daughter of the leader of the village takes him in and feels a need to help him. There's no need to expand on the relationship only because he didn't spend a long time there and seemed to have only spent a night. Possibly two, if you remember, he had the device on his neck so he was being hunted and going back to Runner it was a daily thing. And her being Wraith, he was definitely on the planet when the wraith came..and saw the destruction. Remember back in Runner, he was talking about how the Wraith came and destroyed a village he was in. So he was there..and saw all this. And likely she was dead, because if you check out the flashback her dad was calling her as she was being wraithed. And she's definitely not in the village now, since the dad is still alive and well; or was.

The village leader obviously did not welcome a stranger and remember most of these villagers are weary of strangers. So why a need to expand on how the village felt about him?! I think that's just nitpicking.


For the Sateda flashbacks I would have done an overlay effect, having the people moving around, past and through Ronon. His memories haunt him, right? What better way to show that than by having the "ghosts" of Sateda surround him? And he can look on with disgust at his past self's behavior, try to stop himself from doing things he knows are going to end badly, try to save the girl from getting fried... And instead of the randomly tossed moments of he and his squad fighting back- and his squadmembers getting killed, how about showing some character moments for the squadmembers so that we feel their deaths a little more succinctly when Ronon comes across their skeletons?

Are you sure your not a shipper?! Cause that's super romanticization of war and death---with memory recaps that way. I'm not saying it's bad, I just think that's a bit waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too dramatic.

We get as he walks bye each corridor, each landmark or he visits someplace, memories hit him, that's the usual way a memory hits you. Your sitting there working on something or you say something or hear something and it brings you back to a past moment. To actions and aspects that were done. It reflects the moment as a regular human would see it. I don't see a person seeing 'ghosts', so to speak, as they visualize memories. I think that would just take away from the story and give it a more glittering affect rather than a rawness that it portrayed as is; I think I saw this done in a few soaps I watch; actually I have...very Days of Our Lives and All My Children-esque. What was done works without being so facetious.

I'm trying to see why all those dramatics would add something, again it sounds so much, that it would have more of a take away affect. I wonder also how you would feel if you saw it? I get the impression you might complain about it being too much! :S :)


This also felt like a bit of a follow-up (or possibly a lead-in) to Trinity, where Ronon killed Kell. Might have been nice if this ep had been a bit closer to that one rather than dropped randomly into season 3. It might have made the impact of events that much greater.

I could agree with that. But I like how they brought in this new wraith enemy with this new background and a whole differen hive. We have no proof the wraith was killed with that nuke so there's a lot to look into. It's playing in a different direction---and it's clear it takes off of Trinity. I think it fits though...I don't think I would have liked it in S2, because then I would feel overwhelmed with way too much Ronon. And I'm sure a few people would complain about the many Ronon eps in S2 if that was the case. So this worked...and Irresistable was way in left field, but I felt these reflect that SGA is moving back to normal...but unfortunately with new enemies taking over and causing problems.

Ouroboros
August 5th, 2006, 07:56 PM
Was that the only one hive that attacked Sateda or there were some of them. We don't know really what weapons Satedians posessed (except that cool Ronon's guns which for me shows that Sateda wasn't far from Earth's level of technology). Maybe these were the best they posessed or was some railgun stations or something like Stingers too. We don't know how many population was on Sateda. I heard the radio when Ronon talked to his wife that the last culling took place 200 years ago. Maybe there wasn't so much people to defend their planet. If the only one hive ship would attack the Earth I think there would be slim chanse for them to destroy all population on Earth because we are 6.5 billion and could bring total military force that would outnumbered the Wraith easily. There couldn't be any chance for them on the ground (Teyla took out 8 by herself, Sheppard-6), their hives have no shielding technology so we could throw all our atomic bombs on their hive and their gliders would've been taken out easily with railgun stations (like in the season 1 finals), Stingers or russian Iglas. Of course all F-16, F-18 and Russian SU planes could do some job. But maybe they sent there only 1 hive because they knew that the Satedians are not so cool or are not in big numbers and if they would deal with Earth they would sent bunch of hives (because here are many FOOOOD)

The only thing Earth has that would stop a hiveship is the antarctic weapon. Anything launched from the surface is going to have an even harder time getting through than a Daedalus missile and they don't need to send down any troops while our militaries are still intact.

Assuming the Ancient weapon wasn't there or wasn't operational, and the Wraith wanted to just kill everyone on Earth, they could do it with one hive in less than an hour probably.

Take a look at the size of the explosions that get made by the hive's weapons on the planet in misbegotten. Even one of those bolts would completely flatten a modern city and they just need to do that to all the major population centers on Earth. If they wanted to be really cruel they could even keep pouring on the abuse until the whole biosphere was ruined and nothing could ever live on Earth again post nuclear war style.

It's a good thing for us manapes that they're more interested in feeding on us than vaporising us all with their giant spaceguns of doom huh.:D

More realsitically though they'd just bombard all our military bases and airfields from orbit until the vast majority of people who could fight were dead and out ability to co-ordiante any sort of tactical defence was completely removed. Then the mass culling of the defencless paniced hordes would begin.

Sci-Fi Sista
August 5th, 2006, 08:18 PM
I loved this episode.I really didn't like Ronon until this episode.The character developement was great.I pretty much liked every thing about this episode.
9/10

Biscuit
August 5th, 2006, 09:58 PM
Oh, the love I have for this episode. Team bonding! Explosions! Arrows!! Blow darts! Selfless sacrifice! Grievous bodily injury! Wraith mowed down like bowling pins! So much to love!

* Loved the scene in the cage, where Dex threatens to slit his own throat unless the Village of the Doomed releases his friends. Because, damnit, this show set up a really fascinating premise -- a galaxy of people scraping out an existence as an alien buffet. But we almost never get to see that horror from the perspective of the Pegasus natives. Dex witnessed the destruction of his planet and spent seven years as the object of a sadistic hunting game and until now he's expressed his feelings about those events mainly through dubious wardrobe choices, eating with his fingers and a lot of glowering. So this was a huge treat for me.

* Loved, loved the team bonding. Just the little things -- like Sheppard hunkering down on the floor to hang out with poor broken-butted McKay. Or the way McKay insisted on coming along on the rescue. Or McKay and Beckett saving the day.

* Big Bald Wraith intrigued me. Most of the Wraith we've seen to date seem to be content to eat and sleep, eat and sleep. This one had me wondering. I wonder if he genetically engineered his warriors with those freaky green night-vision eyes. I wonder if he's any relation to the long-ago Wraith who tampered with the DNA of Teyla's ancestors. Oh well, Beckett splattered Big Bald across the Satedan suburbs, so I guess we'll never know. Bald Wraith! We hardly knew ye!

* Aw...Sheppard loves his team! You can hit me over the head with that bit of character exposition as many times as you like! Especially if Teyla's on hand to act, awesomely, as our Sheppard-to-English emotional translator.

* I loved Sheppard in this one. Just because the man is a big damn hero doesn't mean he's not also a big damn dork. (How many Wraith did you shoot again, John?)

* As always, loved McKay, drugged off his gourd, fretting about misplacing Sheppard, Sheppard's hair, the pretty lady and the caveman? Hee!

* And last but not least, mad love to the crack monkeys in the Atlantis costume department. So leather bomber jackets are part of the off-world expeditionary uniform now? Okey doke! (Shut up! He looks pretty! I don't care!) To say nothing of McKay's boxer shorts (what was that pattern? Lemons? Smiley faces? The atomic structure of caffeine?) As an added bonus, we got a flashback of Dex in the Satedan version of street clothes! Apparently, he's always been something of a vest man.

buzlighty1
August 5th, 2006, 10:15 PM
Sadeta is definately one that I'm keeping on tape.

Sateda rocked, probably a one of the better episodes to date. but i still think it would've fit better into season 2 replacing the episode the tower! The coolest part was seeing the Wraith wearing the day vision glasses and taking them off in the dark. Plus seeing a male wraith in charge of a hive ship was cool as well.

PG15
August 5th, 2006, 10:43 PM
IMHO it came at the right time. Remember that one of the key plot points in the episode was Shep's supreme friendship in Ronan. If it happened too soon, that level of friendship would've been foolhardy at best.

JanusAncient
August 5th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Shouldn't Ronon have said Ring? In the episode "Runner," he said, that he'd always known the Stargate as the Ring of the Ancestor's, but here he said that Khel's people get to go to the Gate.

Easter Lily
August 6th, 2006, 01:17 AM
I thought it was rather haka-ish. Different cultures, etc.
It's a common martial arts tactic as a way to strike fear into one's opponent. The Wraith do it a lot.
Bruce Lee used to do something similar except he used to make a more screech-like monkey wail.

vaberella
August 6th, 2006, 01:25 AM
Shouldn't Ronon have said Ring? In the episode "Runner," he said, that he'd always known the Stargate as the Ring of the Ancestor's, but here he said that Khel's people get to go to the Gate.
Yeah, I noticed, Teyla also used contractions. Put it down to living with Earthlings for a while. Teyla has lived on Atlantis more than with her people for over 2 years, and Ronon nearly a year. You pick up mannerisms and tone, speech isn't far along. I sounded british after 2 years of living there, my friend after 3 months----when in Rome do as the Romans. It's just something that happens when your submerged in a culture, he learned how to use a spork and knife too.

:ronan: :sheppard::teyla::mckay: <---Teyla's in a McShep sandwich! :D:S

Steven_the_Atlantean
August 6th, 2006, 04:07 AM
I absolutely loved it, Laugh out loud; McKay still has his humour and Sheppard. Awesome to see Ronanís past, and a different side of him, emotionally. Carson, a perfect shot, his now the third best at shotting drones, or is it Major Lorne. Was it McKay flying the puddle jumper, I think it was, yeah well :) Finally he can fly his ďbabyĒ. All up this epsoide is awesome and amazing. Loved it all. Especially the new wraith design in clothing and technology :S. 10/10

Agent_Dark
August 6th, 2006, 04:12 AM
Yeah, I noticed, Teyla also used contractions. Put it down to living with Earthlings for a while. Teyla has lived on Atlantis more than with her people for over 2 years, and Ronon nearly a year. You pick up mannerisms and tone, speech isn't far along. I sounded british after 2 years of living there, my friend after 3 months----when in Rome do as the Romans. It's just something that happens when your submerged in a culture, he learned how to use a spork and knife too.

:ronan: :sheppard::teyla::mckay: <---Teyla's in a McShep sandwich! :D:S
Yeah, but this was in the flashbacks.... Long before he met up with Atlantis crew

AGateFan
August 6th, 2006, 06:27 AM
Yeah, but this was in the flashbacks.... Long before he met up with Atlantis crew
Maybe his mind altered the flashback. I mean it was seven-eight years ago.

Heck I canít remember what I said to someone last week.. and what I "think" I do remember is probably paraphrased and altered by my current experiences. Itís not like he was under hypnosis or anything.

ShadowMaat
August 6th, 2006, 06:33 AM
So you've had dogs all your life. You have particularly strong memories of one called Kibble because he saved your life and you started calling him Kibble the Wonder Dog. Then you move somewhere else where they call dogs pollicles. So now you fondly remember those long summer days of your childhood spend romping through the woods with Kibble the Wonder Pollicle?

Either the writers forgot or they made it "gate" because they figured people would be too stupid to understand what Ronon meant by "ring of the ancestors." ;)

the Fifth Race
August 6th, 2006, 06:40 AM
If the writers can come up with episodes like this, then why did we have to sit through previous garbage like "The Tower", "Epiphany", Inferno", and last week's masterpiece of literature, "Irresistible"??

This episode should have been done towards the end of last season to solidify Ronon's place on the team. Jason Momoa is a very good actor who has not been given much of a chance until now, and it should stop all the complaints about Ronon being a "non-character". Showing the loss of his home, his friends, especially his wife, makes his life more tragic than just being a runner, and explains why he always flies off the handle when Wraith are around, especially scenes in "Instinct" and the Michael eppys. I just hope the writers don't hit "reset" and kick Ronon to the curb in the future. He is a marvelous character.
I wholeheartedly agree, I have been waiting for an episode or two about Ronan's back story and something about his planet ever since he joined the team. They really need to open up his character a lot like they eventually did with Teal'c.


Sheppard's talk about Teyla, Elizabeth, Ronon, Rodney, Carson all being like family to him was nice, and admitting he could never say what he wanted to say is something that should have been explored way back in season 1. Again, no questions were answered about just WHO Sheppard is or why he feels so alone. Season 2's womanizing/babe magnet personality didn't do anything to garner new fans either. Sheppard continues to be one of the weakest characters, unfortunately (and I had such high hopes for him in season 1).
Unfortunately I have to agree with you on this one as well Foolish one, I really liked Sheppard in season I and in season II his character was all over the place, then we get him last week telling Mitchell that he loves Atlantis and considers it home then this week we get the vibe that he's so alone?. It seems like TPTB aren't sure where to take his character.


I'm giving this episode a 9, only because we still don't know a thing about Shep. But this episode is still a big winner, and I hope the writing doesn't slip in the coming weeks. *crossing fingers*
I loved this episode and I also consider it a "big winner", let's hope they keep the momentum up in coming weeks.

Great post FoolishPleasure :)

duffarama
August 6th, 2006, 06:43 AM
I don't know who wrote this ep, but can you please have him write every ep? Please?

Tell me who wrote this! He is to be worshipped.

Action, excitement, and expressions of real feeling. Humor, tension, great dialogue. Everyone deliciously in character. Everyone getting a chance to shine.

Actual honest-to-goodness character development! Touching! Hugs! Holy cow.

One of the best SGA eps ever. I hope this trend continues.

Shep and Teyla...Rodney and Carson...Ronon and Shep...poor Ronon...wow...

I am dazzled, impressed, and so glad I taped it. :D

Who is the new guy? Did they replace Lorne?
That post practically sums up my thoughts. A great all round episode.
Fantastic writing by Rob Cooper. It seems that Brad Wright and Rob Cooper write all the best episodes don't they? ;)

AGateFan
August 6th, 2006, 06:45 AM
So you've had dogs all your life. You have particularly strong memories of one called Kibble because he saved your life and you started calling him Kibble the Wonder Dog. Then you move somewhere else where they call dogs pollicles. So now you fondly remember those long summer days of your childhood spend romping through the woods with Kibble the Wonder Pollicle?

Either the writers forgot or they made it "gate" because they figured people would be too stupid to understand what Ronon meant by "ring of the ancestors." ;)
Well obviously it was the writers stupidity... I was just trying to find an in-show reason for it. Whats that called when the fan makes up excuses for the plotholes and bad writing... fanwank or something like that.

Jonzey
August 6th, 2006, 06:47 AM
I was not looking forward to this episode. Recently Atlantis has been pretty dull for me, and Ronon is probably my least favourite character. The first few minutes made it look like your typical off-world escapade episode, maybe in the vein of Cor'ai (which I hated).

However, from the moment Ronon was beamed onto the planet along with the sunglasses wraith, it started to get interesting for me. I thought it was brilliant, definately one of my favourite Atlantis eps of all time. It even surpasses SG-1 for me this week. I actually like Ronon now, and the whole part on the planet really felt like a mini movie.

One little niggle though, was that they picked up 7 signals with the locator beacon- Ronon, and six others (possibly runners). So are they gonna check those out or just ignore them?

MB.Eddie
August 6th, 2006, 07:13 AM
Wow. What a kick ass episode of SG.

I must admit it started slow, and McKays reaction to being shot with the arrow was too over the top for mine, but from the moment Ronon was taken back to his planet things got great quickly.

I didnt know that a male Wraith could be in charge of a hive, i had thought it required a Queen...

Good character development all round, with heaps of action. Best Atlantis ep ever imo...

My favourite parts were when Sheppard kept adding on a few extra wraith kills to his tally. Golden :cool:

caty
August 6th, 2006, 07:19 AM
OMG, that has got to be the best episode ever! Everything was perfect...
I was holding my breath from the first minute until the very last second and how nice that we got HUGE character development for Ronon!

The actors were spot on, especially Jason and Shep (they had the most emotional lines).

I had to watch it twice and I'm going to watch it a lot more in the future!

I love Atlantis :D

vaberella
August 6th, 2006, 07:57 AM
Yeah, but this was in the flashbacks.... Long before he met up with Atlantis crew
Ahhh, thanks AD, I rewatched since I seroiusly did not notice that. Your right, and meh is my response. I do remember him clearly saying in Runner (or was it Duet) that he knew it as the Ring of the Ancestors, so that was an error by the writer.

For others, meh, nothing again I'd waste too much time on. It's much like other minor details, I was like okay and we move on. Shoot, as I mentioned Teyla used contractions, she didn't even use them (or that I know of) in Misbegotten or No Man's Land. Let's just say when she used a contraction in this ep, my personal equilibrium is thrown all outta wack.
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On a side note, after rewatching for like the upteenth time the episode, I need to know, does anyone get the distinct feeling that whenever Teyla says---"They ARE Wraith!", she wants to end it with an obscenity. I get the letter 'F' at the end of that one. Then there was the time in the hospital, when she says, 'They're ALL Dead'---Idiots. 'We CAN'T take on a hive ship now.'---Fool! I'm being tame actually, a few are a bit more aggressive.

She just seems pissed at the stupidity being spewed. Pretty much as she was in Allies when John asked her what she meant. What kind of dumb comments are being sent her way!!
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Final---Down with contractions. She killed my equilibrium, although I get the reason for their usage!:teyla:

:sheppard::teyla::mckay: <--Teyla in a McShep sandwich!

VB

TheCaptain
August 6th, 2006, 08:01 AM
This was a great episode - it basically showed all the potential I saw from the very start in Ronon Dex as a character... Jason Momoa as an actor I was not quite sure of, but this ep has for the most part put those fears to rest.

It's good to see 'the new guy' given more meaty, intriguing material to play, and is also a welcome relief to see some more substance and story narrative given to the character. Although Ford had the potential to be made into soimething more than he was and it was a shame to see that he wasn't, Ronon's char seemingly wasn't neglected in the same way, and I hope we don't lose focus of him in the future.

It's nice to see that SG:A isn't always the Sheppard/McKay show ;)

Also, on the topic of R/M storylines, it was real nice to see John expressing his deep concerns to Teyla in his own unique Sheppard way... showing that he cares, but finding it extremely difficult to open up. Why this is, I hope they will tell us in a future ep down the line. Rodney McKay too tried to pass off his 'connection' to the Caveman, as well, which was nice to see :p

And who, I wonder, was this warlord-esque Wraith we saw in this episode, supposedly one of the if not the main leader of the Wraith responsible for the culling of Sateda? TPTB were saying we were probably going to see a couple of different distinguished kinds of Wraith... perhaps this was one of them, but probably not, most likely just a standalone Wraith warlord that badly needed some killin'.

In the end, I had to say I was disappointed Ronon didn't do the deed himself - I'd say they were tryin to show that it's mostly a team effort, and all that :cool:

Still this is probably the benchmark episode so far - very much like a movie as has been said before over and over, but with good story-driven action that I hope will lead into more repetitions of this formula, for other characters who don't quite yet have a fair level of backstory, IMO :teyla: :ford: :beckett:

Two thumbs up, and a resounding pat on the back to all TPTB :D

Capt

ShadowMaat
August 6th, 2006, 08:07 AM
One little niggle though, was that they picked up 7 signals with the locator beacon- Ronon, and six others (possibly runners). So are they gonna check those out or just ignore them?
It'll be ignored for a couple of seasons until the writers randomly decide to pull it back out of their as- their hats and decide to use it as a plot devicey excuse for some one-off ep with no significance to anything except that TPTB can pat themselves on the back for maintaining continuity and tying up a loose end. ;)

PegasusPrincess
August 6th, 2006, 08:08 AM
That episode was the best so far this season in terms of action.
Warehouse fight scene was awesome! I also loved Carson blowing the crap out of that ugly Wraith - GO Carson!
The only thing I thought was that it would have been interesting to have the episode as a 2 parter, only because I found Ronan's flashbacks a little too short; not explaining much about the relationship meaning to him of the people he'd lost in his past.
Overall though, pretty awesome - 9/10.

GhostPoet
August 6th, 2006, 09:26 AM
Anyone know if this writer will keep writing for the series? He seems to be the only writer that actually understands team dynamics.

AGateFan
August 6th, 2006, 09:32 AM
Cooper is one of the standard writers\executive producer for Atlantis and SG-1. This is just one of the many eps he has written. This was a good one. He has had crpy ones too.

TheCaptain
August 6th, 2006, 09:35 AM
Anyone know if this writer will keep writing for the series? He seems to be the only writer that actually understands team dynamics.
Well out of the season three episodes with information on them already available, no, but there are three eps that aren't yet credited with writers - Phantoms (http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s3/309.shtml), Echoes (http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s3/3x1.shtml), and The Tao of McKay (http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s3/3x15.shtml). This means he might or might not be the writer for these shows.

Was pretty damn fine with this one, that's for sure :)

EDIT: It was Robert C. Cooper, didn't mention that earlier my bad :p

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 6th, 2006, 09:35 AM
Am I the only one who thought the Wraith King was rather Unas-like? It was kind of amusing.

I thought he looked more like Kain from the Legacy of Kain series in all honesty.


Anyway Great Ep - I was suprised coz I'm not a big fan of Ronon, but it reminded me of The Running Man - and I loved the running man.

Whoever wrote this ep NEEDS to write more episodes.....DESPERATELY. IT WAS TEH AWESOME.

Planetary_Alliance
August 6th, 2006, 10:24 AM
I dont like to write alot so i am just goint to say

Best frickin episoded ever

ILoveMe
August 6th, 2006, 10:31 AM
I liked the ep, especially all the scenes that deal with McKay getting shot in the glutious maximous with an arrow - the actual shooting, the morphine scene, him laying flat on his belly to work on the tracking thingie while Shepho makes a lame joke, McKay wigging out while Becket checks the wound later on.... but doesn't actually touch it. :D

I liked the character stuff better though, like when Teyla shows her insecruties about being a full member of Atlantis and Sheppards admittance to caring for his team like a family and he'd do anything for his family. Seeing how Rodney's mind work was a bit frightening and fastenating, LOL. Okay, he cares for Ronan like a brother.... but he berates him and calls him "Caveman".... actually, that does sound like brotherly love.

My main criticism is that the Wraith keep dieing waaaay to freaking easy. Sheppard was able to kill 6 oops, I mean 9, wait it was 11 or 12 and Teyla took out 8. I willing to believe Ronan's amazing alien weapon that never runs out of ammo can take them out so easily.... But just a few shoots from the Earth weapons? Ugh, before you know it they are going to be as hapless as the Gou'ld. I miss the days of Defiant One where not even a grenade could kill the buggers, they were actually scary then.

oragans
August 6th, 2006, 10:39 AM
this episode was amazing and that wraith looked awesome, i hope they do some more like him. 10/10 for me.

Vespasianus
August 6th, 2006, 10:48 AM
This ep was enjoyable, but it was not the best SGA ever (for me of course :) ). The best Atlantis episode is Runner, Sateda can't take that rank from it. Since it was a sequel to Runner, I think this episode would have worked much better in season 2.

I liked the writing, bit I didn't really like the directing and some of the special effects. They were decent, but they could have been done better imo.

Unamed
August 6th, 2006, 10:58 AM
gotta love the jumper appearing at the end that was sweet

derrickh
August 6th, 2006, 11:03 AM
This was the best episode of the series. And could easily be added to the list of great episodes in the entire franchise. The writing was good. But it was the acting and directing that put it over the top. It had a cinematic feel that has been lacking in SG for no other reason than many directors shoot it like a tv show instead of a film.

It didnt just show the set pieces, the director revelled in them. Sweeping crane shots, slow pans across the actors and backgrounds. Even the inside of the Wraith ship, which usually looks like a generic corridor, had a new and menacing presence.

This is what happens when a director gets to work on something he feels for (he should, since he wrote it), and not just doing the paint by numbers whitewash that has been the norm.

If they had this ep last season as Ronon's entry into the team, I'd like the guy a lot more and he'd be a much stronger character.

D

prion
August 6th, 2006, 12:06 PM
My main criticism is that the Wraith keep dieing waaaay to freaking easy. Sheppard was able to kill 6 oops, I mean 9, wait it was 11 or 12 and Teyla took out 8. I willing to believe Ronan's amazing alien weapon that never runs out of ammo can take them out so easily.... But just a few shoots from the Earth weapons? Ugh, before you know it they are going to be as hapless as the Gou'ld. I miss the days of Defiant One where not even a grenade could kill the buggers, they were actually scary then.

Wraith are sorta like intergalactic cockroaches. They're everywhere. You kill one, a dozen more appear. One can theorize that unlike on Defiant One, the wraith who went planetside hadn't noshed on anyone lately, so they're easier to kill. It's not the first time they've killed a wraith with several shots, and it's not like Wraith are indestructible.

As for the main lead male wraith, I kept thinking he was like Michael Ironside (although the actor wasn't in the episode) but if he played a wraith, that would be him.