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GateWorld
July 14th, 2006, 02:47 PM
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shoarn
August 11th, 2006, 07:20 PM
Wow lots of folks viewing but no one responding...probably watching SGA... Anyway, I for one loved this episode. The discussion between Landry and Mitchell about leadership, Sam and Vala laying it out there and the poker game...what a hoot. I almost didn't miss Daniel :( IMHO this season rocks! Can't wait till next week.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 11th, 2006, 07:21 PM
I thought it was a great episode. Best Earth-Based of the Series. It was nice seeing a different side of Cam and Landry. Great ending, and that monster was cool too. Only 1 week to go until the 200th episode.

Ace
August 11th, 2006, 07:22 PM
I really liked the "Holy Hannah!" comment... brought me back to one of my favorite characters.

Ace

Bobthespirit
August 11th, 2006, 07:23 PM
This was a pretty good episode. They're writing Mitchell a lot better than last season. Making him seem like a soldier who's trying to cope with an extreme situation, instead of just some dumb guy who tags along and makes the occasional humorous comment.

I also like that he brought up the issue of the chain of command, but I was hoping Landry would say something like 'If you want this team that's been together for nine years to really see you as a leader you have to act like one and hand down commands, or else they'll just see you as any other member of the team'. Maybe in a future episode Mitchell can actually make a command decision.

I also want the issue of Vala arguing direct commands brought up. Somebody needs to tell her 'You wanted to join us, that means accepting that you have to take commands'. Maybe the occasional 'Vala...shut up'.

Overall though I would say season 10 is better than season 8 -- not nearly as good as seasons 2-7, but now I think getting as good as them is a possibility.

shester
August 11th, 2006, 07:23 PM
I loved Ben and Beau together. They work very well together. I laughed so much with them. How Ben kept a straight face when Beau did the bird call I will never know. I loved watching them interact with each other. It went so well.

Loved Landry telling Mitchell he depended on him to keep the team together and safe. That is pretty much telling us who the leader is. Loved when Mitchell told Landry he gets antsy sitting around.

The story itself with the mutants was stupid but I enjoyed the Mitchell/Landry part.

Sybil

shester
August 11th, 2006, 07:28 PM
I also like that he brought up the issue of the chain of command, but I was hoping Landry would say something like 'If you want this team that's been together for nine years to really see you as a leader you have to act like one and hand down commands, or else they'll just see you as any other member of the team'. Maybe in a future episode Mitchell can actually make a command decision.

Actually the team wasn't together when Mitchell got there and he has made command decisions.

Sybil

edain
August 11th, 2006, 07:28 PM
Ah make the reward some Brad Paisley tickets and I could have taken that thing out with my eyes closed.......




Ok that's my self-degrading redneck joke for the evening. I enjoyed the episode, especially the fat joke(another southern thing, you won't understand); and that creature was one wicked pisser!

CCA
August 11th, 2006, 07:29 PM
I loved Ben and Beau together. They work very well together. I laughed so much with them. How Ben kept a straight face when Beau did the bird call I will never know. I loved watching them interact with each other. It went so well.Sybil

OMG I know! Makes you wonder how many takes they did, there looked like there was still a small smile on his lips, god that be so tough to do..and Landry was so serious to!

I liked the episode it was not to bad, the huntin' season reminds me during the deer season, Michiganders and other fellow states go NUTS! So I can definitely relate to that one!

I really of course loved the Mitchell/Landry scenes, him telling him to relax, and Mitchell kind of an ADHD can't sit still for very long (can also relate to that)

But yeah great episode, and just seeing the episode coming up I am going to be dying I know it

SMEAGOL2
August 11th, 2006, 07:30 PM
I liked this episode. Did not love it as I thought it was boring at times. But with that said, I really liked that Sam was in charge of the base and the team working together. I actually got a little scared towards the end with that big bad monster. Poker was wonderful.

I felt bad for Cam. Being stuck with his boss. Thats my worst nightmare.

Gate Girl
August 11th, 2006, 07:34 PM
I thought the story itself was a little weak, but it had a lot of redeeming qualities:

It looks as if Sam can hold her own. She did a great job running the SGC. She also got a chance to show off her skills when she determined where the bugs were coming from.

Vala is becoming a more valuable member of Stargate Command. I like how they've toned her down a bit, but let her keep her sassy attitude.

It looks as if Mitchell is finally getting his footing. He's finally realizing that he is a vital member of stargate command and no longer seems to consider himself an "apprentice" of sorts to the rest of the team.

Finally, I loved the interaction between the team at the end. I just wish Daniel had been there. It was definately more apparent that he was missing this week.

Overall, it was a good episode.

warmbeachbrat
August 11th, 2006, 07:35 PM
I thought the scenes between Landry and Mitchell were a bit awkward and then I realized...well, they were supposed to be. It was a little disconcerting at first, but by the time the whole team got together, I felt that having them apart in the first half was pretty effective.

I really enjoyed how this episode really played to everyone's strengths. And the interactions between everyone--really marvelous! I liked how Sam and Vala were a little prickly and I loved how Vala just dotes on Teal'c. It's nice for him to have someone who he can relate to--she's from his 'world' so to speak and knows what he's lived through far better than the 'Tau'ri'. I like how he more than tolerates her. I love their relationship (and I don't mean in a shippy way).

It was nice to see some alien critters (no matter how deadly). I've always wondered why we don't see more critters--special effects cost, I guess. It would be nice to see some domesticated alien animals (like in the movie on Abydos).

A pretty good episode, even though it was a bit more graphic than usual.

CCA
August 11th, 2006, 07:37 PM
oh yeah forgot to mention one thing

I WANT MITCHELL'S CAR...she sure was a beauty!

eirenne
August 11th, 2006, 07:37 PM
Not a bad episode all in all. Of course my favorite scenes were with Landry and Mitchell. I just loved their interaction and how they played off each other. Mitchell and a mustang, dang my dream come true. Vala and Teal'c were quite amusing and her taking the lead as we go towards the end of the ep was hysterical. Loved the look that Mitchell gave her...Ending with the poker game was great. I will have to watch it again...loved seeing Mitchell in jeans...

Bobthespirit
August 11th, 2006, 07:44 PM
Actually the team wasn't together when Mitchell got there and he has made command decisions.

Sybil

Yeah, he brought them back together, and that was his only command decision.

I don't recall him ever ordering Sam, Daniel, or Teal'c to do anything other than exactly what they want.

Descent
August 11th, 2006, 07:44 PM
Great Episode, I liked this one better than Insiders. I loved Cam and Landrys interaction in the cabin.

A 8/10 from me.

siXbrownSnakes2
August 11th, 2006, 07:52 PM
Good Ep, nice to see Sam in command and to learn a bit more about Landry.

trinity23
August 11th, 2006, 07:55 PM
Loved Sam running the SGC & being her usual brillant self. Wished she would have sat in the General's seat. 10 years saving the universe --she deserves it.
Lot of Sam/Vala moments. Love them both so it was all good with me :sam: :vala:
Teal'c/Vala moments also good. :tealc: :vala:
Landry/Cam moments kind of boring to me.
Like the doctor lady better then Lexa Doig's character. They should keep her!
POKER GAME=Priceless!!! Loved it. Made the episode for me.

Filetta
August 11th, 2006, 07:57 PM
Loved the episode only had one mistake that jumped out at me. They were talking about the woods being filled with people with guns shooting at things so why was Landry still in his camo gear and Mitchell in a brown coat. Shouldnt they have been wearing those "orange do not shoot me vests"?

Ace
August 11th, 2006, 08:06 PM
I cringed a little when Mitchell mentioned his "Special Forces training"... he's certainly not Special Forces.

In all likelyhood he meant to say SERE training, which deals with survival training and is a mandate for pilots to take in the Air Force. However something like that I can let slide...

Ace

Mitchell82
August 11th, 2006, 08:10 PM
Loved the episode only had one mistake that jumped out at me. They were talking about the woods being filled with people with guns shooting at things so why was Landry still in his camo gear and Mitchell in a brown coat. Shouldnt they have been wearing those "orange do not shoot me vests"?
Ok so one mistake:cameron: I noticed that too, but hey it was an excellent episode! I loved every moment, and what a ugly creature! A bit more graphic than usual but I loved it 9/10 from me!

Dromag67
August 11th, 2006, 08:11 PM
The bird call was the best, I would of loved to be on the set when they were trying to do that one without laughing.

Sam actually taking command at the SGC was really nice to see, she looked a lot more like a leader than in previous episodes. I wish she was promoted again just so she could lead.

edain
August 11th, 2006, 08:12 PM
He flew a freakin' 302! Don't you think the military would require all of their personel to have special forces training due to the fact that they fight on other planets and I am sure it would come in handy... Speaking of soldiers, I just had an epiphany! I was thinking we are running out of soldiers because they are all fighting for the SGC and we just don't hear about it!


it was just a joke.

JanusAncient
August 11th, 2006, 08:13 PM
I rather enjoyed this episode! Vala, always love her but especially in thise episode for some reason. Getting to know each other at the cabin for Landry and Cam, was funny, and the Trust are becoming more of a threat everyday.

SMEAGOL2
August 11th, 2006, 08:14 PM
I cringed a little when Mitchell mentioned his "Special Forces training"... he's certainly not Special Forces.

In all likelyhood he meant to say SERE training, which deals with survival training and is a mandate for pilots to take in the Air Force. However something like that I can let slide...

Ace


I dont know the difference so it did not bother me.

Landry is very weird, but in a good way.

RedGuard
August 11th, 2006, 08:14 PM
I know alot of people have said from last season that the new characters don't have the same chemistry. This episode proves it otherwise. The poker game at the end, you can't get anymore classic SG-1 than that. Loved the episode, this should bring back the ratings!

cafine_us
August 11th, 2006, 08:15 PM
I thought Mitchell's comment about vice presidential bird hunting was hilarious, but it was a bit too real world. Is Cheney supposed to be the veep in Stargate too?

Ace
August 11th, 2006, 08:18 PM
I dont know the difference so it did not bother me.

Landry is very weird, but in a good way.

Very big difference... but like I said I could let it slide! :D

And I loved the bit with background into Landry's military past... I like that sort of thing

Ace

Lord Shiva
August 11th, 2006, 08:18 PM
Best part was Landry said "your team" to Mitchell... so we definetely know who's team it is ;)

SMEAGOL2
August 11th, 2006, 08:18 PM
I also thought it was a little sad that Cam was questioning his positing in the SGC. Liked Landry's response, "Win or Die." There is some good Character Development in this episode.

RedGuard
August 11th, 2006, 08:19 PM
I rather enjoyed this episode! Vala, always love her but especially in thise episode for some reason. Getting to know each other at the cabin for Landry and Cam, was funny, and the Trust are becoming more of a threat everyday.

Good point, the Trust is building into a much larger threat. With them being able to steal tech from Area 51 proves it and the fact they are spying on SG teams.

SMEAGOL2
August 11th, 2006, 08:20 PM
Ok stupid question, which season and which episosee did the Trust first appear in?

aflazmn
August 11th, 2006, 08:20 PM
I loved this episode and it is interesting to see how Vala's suggestions are received by SGC personnel. Will there be a point in time where her suggestions are given as much weight as any other SG team member or will her background with the SGC (i.e. theft, lying and so forth) continually color how others view her?

Also, did anyone else notice the it was SG-5 in the first few minutes and SG-25 for the rest of the episode. For those who didn't make the observation, it seems like the SGC is becoming more of a joint command; SG-25 was wearing the new Army Combat Uniforms, making them soldiers. Of course, this is in addition to the Marine SG-3 under Colonel Reynolds.

Ace
August 11th, 2006, 08:21 PM
He flew a freakin' 302! Don't you think the military would require all of their personel to have special forces training due to the fact that they fight on other planets and I am sure it would come in handy... Speaking of soldiers, I just had an epiphany! I was thinking we are running out of soldiers because they are all fighting for the SGC and we just don't hear about it!


it was just a joke.

Sort answer: No...

But since you said your statement was a joke... I think you knew that! ;)

Ace

Ace
August 11th, 2006, 08:22 PM
I loved this episode and it is interesting to see how Vala's suggestions are received by SGC personnel. Will there be a point in time where her suggestions are given as much weight as any other SG team member?

Also, did anyone else notice the it was SG-5 in the first few minutes and SG-25 for the rest of the episode. For those who didn't make the observation, it seems like the SGC is becoming more of a joint command; SG-25 was wearing the new Army Combat Uniforms, making them soldiers. Of course, this is in addition to the Marine SG-3 under Colonel Reynolds.

Certainly noticed... it's about time they put some soliders in there! ;)

I'm hoping they were Rangers...

Ace

RedGuard
August 11th, 2006, 08:23 PM
Ok stupid question, which season and which episosee did the Trust first appear in?

As far as I remember, episode was SMOKE AND MIRRORS (http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s6/614.shtml) in season 6. I think they existed before that though.

gatewonderer114
August 11th, 2006, 08:24 PM
I liked this episode a lot. It had humor, it had suspense, and action.

But I can't wait til next week for "200." That is one I will not miss.

Lord Shiva
August 11th, 2006, 08:25 PM
I know alot of people have said from last season that the new characters don't have the same chemistry. This episode proves it otherwise. The poker game at the end, you can't get anymore classic SG-1 than that. Loved the episode, this should bring back the ratings!

I think that when people re-watch season 9 they will realize they were overreacting :)

I loved season 9, and so far season 10 has been just as good!

coolove
August 11th, 2006, 08:25 PM
Not bad. I generally liked the episode though I was paying more attention to decorating my Sims 2 house. :) Anyhow, I really enjoyed Cam and Landry walking around in the dark with their guns. That brought my attention to the episode. The CGI wasn't the best but I can let that slide.

FoolishPleasure
August 11th, 2006, 08:25 PM
I don't always like the monster-on-the-loose episodes, but this was more about characters, and I liked it.

Highlights were Landry and Mitchell having their leadership discussion, and the bird calling diddy. As an avid bird watcher, it cracked me up.

Was good to see Sam in command of SGC.

Vala may not be politically correct, but she is no dummy. Sometimes it pays to listen to the lady. ;)

Loved the Vala/Teal'c scenes as well.

As for Mitchell's car - I'd sure like to take a ride in it. ;)

the fifth man
August 11th, 2006, 08:27 PM
I know alot of people have said from last season that the new characters don't have the same chemistry. This episode proves it otherwise. The poker game at the end, you can't get anymore classic SG-1 than that. Loved the episode, this should bring back the ratings!

I definitely feel that there is great team chemistry between everyone. Heck, even Landry fits in well with them all.

Carter was great leading the SGC, Teal'c and Vala were awesome together, and the scenes between Landry and Mitchell were so funny. I'd feel awkward hanging out with my boss too. Not to mention, I thought the concept of the monster was pretty well thought-out.

IMO, this was a very solid episode, and one that I will be watching again very shortly (since I taped it).:)

MasySyma
August 11th, 2006, 08:27 PM
I won't label this episode one of the most action packed episode of the season, but it provided neccessary character development and a ton of well-done humor. Therefore, I enjoyed it.

I loved the Laudry/Cam scenes. They made the episode for me. The bird call was priceless, and these characters need to develop a comfort level similar to that of Hammond and Jack, so this was a good way to begin developing that relationship. I like that the writers did not assume that this bond just existed.

Vala was a bit annoying, but I can see that she is trying to find her niche on the team, and she is wanting to prove herself. That and a new team member always creates a few awkward spots as everyone learns to work as a group again, so I can forgive her this week, especially in light of the Teal'c/Vala sequence on the ground after the monster attacked.

Carter was wonderful this week. It is nice to see that her brain, which departed last week, has returned. She was back to her wise, skilled, and in command self. I agree that she needs to get over her fear of the chair, but some time with Vala might fix that. I was much happier with her in this episode.

The monsters were ok, and it was a bit nice to take a week off from the Ori in a way. I look forward to Daniel's return, but I enjoyed watching the team function without him as well.

The poker game was simple amazing.

However, the episode was slow, dreadfully slow at a few points, so much so that I wanted to ditch the weird alien creatures in favor of watching Cam squirm in the cabin. Yet, this isn't a horrible problem for me.

I'm giving the episode a 10/10. Normally, I reserve the score for entirely wonderful episodes, which this wasn't, but it served so many functions and helped fill in character development gaps from Season 9 that it deserves the rating.

the fifth man
August 11th, 2006, 08:31 PM
I'd definitely give this one a solid 9/10.:)

Daniel's_twin
August 11th, 2006, 08:33 PM
This was a pretty good ep. As far as I can tell, the first in the line of "SG-1 goes off-world, runs into trouble, solves the problem and gets back home." (one could say that it started with Morpheus, but it lended to the overall Ori arc, so I don't think it counts) The character interaction was great. Found out a few more interesting things about Landry. The more I find out about the guy, the more I like him. Vala sitting in the chair was also classic, and Cam was funny as the awkward guy (a position I know about).

The monster was a little different then I expected. I hadn't read any spoilers for this ep, so seeing the promo I thought "great, Sg-1 finally meets an alien animal that's bigger than two feet long and is actually gonna cause them some problems." I was pleasantly surprised. The centipede thing was done brilliantly (almost looked like it could be real) and made up for the rather Ghostbusters' Zhuul dog-like animal we saw at the end (kinda fun to watch, but not realistic).

A good ep with good character moments, and some decent action. Still missing Daniel though. And there were a few other glitches with it, but I'm not listing complaints right now. I'd give it 4/5. :cool:

RedGuard
August 11th, 2006, 08:36 PM
I'd definitely give this one a solid 9/10.:)

Yeah a 9/10 rating is the way to go on this one. I will admit, a few scenes seemed slow but the character development, team building, and the monster attacking the sheriff (i didn't see it coming and then afterwards I started laughing...love that scene) out of nowhere was more than enough to make this a great episode.

MarshAngel
August 11th, 2006, 08:38 PM
I found this episode underwhelming. It was by no means bad, but the monster plot was very mehh. What I did enjoy was seeing that what they've been through has an effect on them, namely Mitchell, and that Landry was trying to deal with it. The whole monster thing was a bit anticlimactic though. For some reason at the end I just felt like... that's it?

the fifth man
August 11th, 2006, 08:38 PM
Yeah a 9/10 rating is the way to go on this one. I will admit, a few scenes seemed slow but the character development, team building, and the monster attacking the sheriff (i didn't see it coming and then afterwards I started laughing...love that scene) out of nowhere was more than enough to make this a great episode.

That was a cool scene. Definitely came out of nowhere.

I liked Landry before this episode. Now, I really like him. He's a great General, and a wonderful person too. Beau Bridges is going one hell of a job IMO.:)

Elles
August 11th, 2006, 08:39 PM
I dunno... I don't get why they randomly threw in all the animal rights stuff... But that's just me. Yeah, it was an interesting episode... but in my opinion they really should of done more stuff involving the Trust... But that's just me. Yup.

Major Gambit
August 11th, 2006, 08:41 PM
There was some GREAT character relationship stuff, things that we missed out on in Season 9.

SGC and SGA
August 11th, 2006, 08:43 PM
I think this has been one of the best episodes yet in season Ten.

kharn the betrayer
August 11th, 2006, 08:43 PM
I didnt particualy like the plot line of this episode(generic monster on the loose...)

but like other have stated it great character interaction which was wonderfull

Mitchel and Vala seem to steping into there roles along with how they interact with the other characters

Pocus
August 11th, 2006, 08:44 PM
Pretty good episode. The best things about it were (in order): Mitchell's car, Mitchell in jeans, and Mitchell's face during Landry's duck call.

I thought that it was a good episode to address Mitchell's character and his feelings towards his command. He chose to put "the band" back together so now he needs to get control of it. His "non" leadership style does not seem to be working. It is providing a lack of focus for the team. Hopefully Landry's confidence in him will pay off.

The creatures gave the needed action without being over the top danger. It was interesting to see the an affect of changing alien technology to suit our needs.

I'm Just Sayin'
August 11th, 2006, 08:47 PM
Carter couldn't go to the cabin until Reynolds was back from off-world. So who exactly was in charge at the SGC when Landry, Carter, and Reynolds were hunting the beast in Minnesota?.....maybe Walter :)

the fifth man
August 11th, 2006, 08:50 PM
Carter couldn't go to the cabin until Reynolds was back from off-world. So who exactly was in charge at the SGC when Landry, Carter, and Reynolds were hunting the beast in Minnesota?.....maybe Walter :)

Why not? He's been there long enough to know how to keep things running.;)

Elles
August 11th, 2006, 08:50 PM
Carter couldn't go to the cabin until Reynolds was back from off-world. So who exactly was in charge at the SGC when Landry, Carter, and Reynolds were hunting the beast in Minnesota?.....maybe Walter :)
:lol:

axg
August 11th, 2006, 08:50 PM
Walter in Command? oh wow..that just seems so.. funny ;) .. I mean.. this guy is most of the time like the over-serious seargent-style (check the episode when the gate went missing..) .. and then HE being in charge? That would be hilarious.. I guess he would be "oh.. mh.. ah.. mh.. " in 5 minutes ;)

lord-anubis
August 11th, 2006, 08:51 PM
this ep was ok i liked the stuff with Mitchell and Landry. my fave line is when mitchell said he could be landry at socom 3. the porker sceen at the end of great and some of the stuff with vala was ok and it was cool that cater got to run the sgc for a while. i dident like the whole mosnter thing to me it seem to much like a couple of bad moives i seen. were theres a moster in the woods killing people but other then that i liked this ep

-Major Woody
August 11th, 2006, 08:54 PM
Red Stripe. Hooray, beer!

the fifth man
August 11th, 2006, 08:56 PM
Red Stripe. Hooray, beer!

LOL!!:D Indeed!

Daniel's_twin
August 11th, 2006, 09:02 PM
this ep was ok i liked the stuff with Mitchell and Landry. my fave line is when mitchell said he could be landry at socom 3. the porker sceen at the end of great and some of the stuff with vala was ok and it was cool that cater got to run the sgc for a while. i dident like the whole mosnter thing to me it seem to much like a couple of bad moives i seen. were theres a moster in the woods killing people but other then that i liked this ep

Well this isn't the first time SG-1 has purposefully sort of made fun of B-grade horror movies (the Tomb anyone?).

At least they did it in a way that sort of ties in with previous episodes. They just won't let us forget those interdimensional bugs, will they? :cool:

qksilver99
August 11th, 2006, 09:02 PM
I have to admit that I had given up on the show midway last season, but still watched it, more out of loyalty to years past rather than any other reason.

Tonight was great.

It wasn't a fantastic episode, no, but the character interactions finally made me care about the new characters. Team moments in Season 10, yeah! Plus there were some great one liners/scenes.

Hank and his duck call. :) Whodathunkit?

Samantha had her brain back!

"The only thing they've learned is Mitchell's got a case of sleep apnea" :) probably getting even for the Fat kid in a candy store comment.

Sam making sure Vala didn't put her feet on Landry's desk. Plus the comment about Weir was a reminder to Vala that she doesn't know everything about the SGC. Though I have to admit that while they have toned Vala down (Thankfully, else it would be Valagate), I don't know why nobody tells her to shut up. :)

just makes me wish that they had given George and Jack an episode where they bonded at Jack's cabin. :)

ladyjanus
August 11th, 2006, 09:02 PM
As a formerly-undeclared Reynolds-lover, I loved his line to Vala - "Scuse me, amateurs comin' through." Lots of good shots of the good Major and his gun, too...

Loved finally getting to see the inside of Jack's cabin - I'm a nut for houseplans and floorplans and such - and the poker game was priceless.

I do love a good monster on the loose story.

ladyjanus

GateLadyM
August 11th, 2006, 09:09 PM
I enjoyed how the monster plot actually took a back seat to the character building scenes. Good writing all the way around and I'm liking how they are showing Mitchell's struggle with his new command, Landry being a mentor-type to him, showing Sam in command. Vala is always fun (and sometimes right).

TPTB are doing very well this year. Keep up the good work!

ForeverSg1
August 11th, 2006, 09:23 PM
I didn't really care for the bug/monster story. I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm really getting tired of bug/parasite storylines, but thankfully the character interaction in this one made up for it.

I really enjoyed the Cam/Landry interaction. The bird call thing was really quite odd, but strangely amusing.

I really liked seeing Jack's cabin again, though I'm still wondering when Jack moved his cabin from Minnesota to Colorado, but I guess we can't have everything.

I thoroughly enjoyed the interaction between Teal'c/Vala, Vala/Sam, and Vala/Sam/Tea'l'c. Especially the scene where Teal'c uses the word 'ironic' in a sentence.

Has anyone else noticed how much more intelligent Vala appears to be when Daniel isn't around? Not that I particular like Daniel being gone, but it's amazing how the writers are actually able to make Vala appear intelligent, albeit extremely loquacious, when she's not trying to seduce Daniel.

I really loved seeing Sam in command of the SGC. After last weeks faux pas, I had almost given up that the writers could still write Sam as intelligent and in command. Maybe there still is hope for the series.

I loved the poker scene, though it saddens me that they never really allowed SG-1 to have more scenes like that when Daniel and Jack were around. I really would have loved to see them just being able to relax and have fun with one another.

Overall, if I ignore the cheesy monster plot, it was probably one of my most favorite episodes of the past two seasons.

markaudette
August 11th, 2006, 09:23 PM
I am almost completely underwhelmed by this episode. Aside from the truly beautiful ending of the gang (minus Daniel) sit around Jack's table playing poker.

I can't help but feel that SG: SG-1 is in the autumn of it's years. And I can't help but feel that, despite an absolutely wonderful cast, that the show has turned a corner to something old. And somber. And aged. If the epsiode had eliminated the whole mutant creature arc and simply concentrated on the character iinteraction, I think it would have been far better. Why are the writers so damn scared to write an episode of pure charater interaction?

I truly felt as if the show was dying.

That's a sad feeling. There was just so much missing from the show. Which is a shame. All the cast members are fantastic.

L.A. Doyle
August 11th, 2006, 09:32 PM
I didn't really care for the bug/monster story. I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm really getting tired of bug/parasite storylines, but thankfully the character interaction in this one made up for it.

I really enjoyed the Cam/Landry interaction. The bird call thing was really quite odd, but strangely amusing.

I really liked seeing Jack's cabin again, though I'm still wondering when Jack moved his cabin from Minnesota to Colorado, but I guess we can't have everything.

I thoroughly enjoyed the interaction between Teal'c/Vala, Vala/Sam, and Vala/Sam/Tea'l'c. Especially the scene where Teal'c uses the word 'ironic' in a sentence.

Has anyone else noticed how much more intelligent Vala appears to be when Daniel isn't around? Not that I particular like Daniel being gone, but it's amazing how the writers are actually able to make Vala appear intelligent, albeit extremely loquacious, when she's not trying to seduce Daniel.

I really loved seeing Sam in command of the SGC. After last weeks faux pas, I had almost given up that the writers could still write Sam as intelligent and in command. Maybe there still is hope for the series.

I loved the poker scene, though it saddens me that they never really allowed SG-1 to have more scenes like that when Daniel and Jack were around. I really would have loved to see them just being able to relax and have fun with one another.

Overall, if I ignore the cheesy monster plot, it was probably one of my most favorite episodes of the past two seasons.

That pretty much sums up what I thought. Thanks Forever, I hardly had to type at all! :D

Oh-I have to add-Reynolds was there, and Sam's 'Holy Hannah' was great. :D

RedGuard
August 11th, 2006, 09:48 PM
I am almost completely underwhelmed by this episode. Aside from the truly beautiful ending of the gang (minus Daniel) sit around Jack's table playing poker.

I can't help but feel that SG: SG-1 is in the autumn of it's years. And I can't help but feel that, despite an absolutely wonderful cast, that the show has turned a corner to something old. And somber. And aged. If the epsiode had eliminated the whole mutant creature arc and simply concentrated on the character iinteraction, I think it would have been far better. Why are the writers so damn scared to write an episode of pure charater interaction?

I truly felt as if the show was dying.

That's a sad feeling. There was just so much missing from the show. Which is a shame. All the cast members are fantastic.

It did concentrate on character development and interaction. That seemed to be the whole point of the episode. The cloaking device and the alternate dimension bug was used to bring them all together. It lead to the interactions of Vala/Teal'c and Cameron/Landry. Daniel has had plenty of interaction with them, so this allowed alot of development between the new characters and the old cast.

:comeon: the show isn't dying, its just getting started again for a second time!

Galilahi
August 11th, 2006, 10:02 PM
Plot took a backseat to little character moments in this ep and I really enjoyed it.

Hooray Red Stripe!! I felt very Jamacian.

The duck call, oh my god the duck call.

Great moment between Vala and Teal'c. I really like that they kept her personality and didn't immediately make her follow orders and generally boring.

AAhhhhh...Cam you're a manly man hunting in your jeans and leather jacket.

Loved the poker game at the end. I'm really starting to get the sense of family that the cast has.

Overall a great ep!

Sam fisher
August 11th, 2006, 10:08 PM
The most disturbing part of this episode was when Vala was wiggling her butt in Landry's office. I'm going to have nightmares from that.

majorsal
August 11th, 2006, 10:11 PM
i enjoyed this ep. i REALLY, REALLY enjoyed sam being in charge!!! :D

i've always liked landry, and i've always thought beau was a great choice. he 'feels' like a commander.

vala was fine tonight. i think her and teal'c have a nice 'thang' going on. :p

mitchell, toned down and all, is still MY weak link in this show. but at least he acts like someone that would be on an sg team.

uh, where did jack's pond go? maybe jack has more than one cabin?

the poker game was fun to see. BUT... i missed jack. (((:jack:)))

did i mention how much i LOVED seeing sam in charge?!?!? :D :D






sally :sam:

Livi2Jack
August 11th, 2006, 10:13 PM
I was thinking the same thing...ORANGE ...wear ORANGE! Hello! ORANGE! D'oh.

Next back to my favorite rant...security protocols...now some have said it's just tv and not to get my knickers in a twist,....but the AF takes the trouble to have someone on set to keep the uniforms right, the terms right, and the haircuts military...SOOOOOOO

WHY CAN"T THEY GIVE THE WRITERS A SECURITY BRIEFING???????

Landry talking on an ordinary walk-around wireless handset in Jack's cabin and discussing classified information IN DETAIL was beyond the pale. I mean that was really outrageously negligently even criminally bad. Those things are the least secure items ever invented. UNBELIEVABLE...it is so simple to ASK the question...would they ever do this or that? Or just have the props people brief the AF rep. JEEZ that was one glaring awful error. And I am getting seriously tired of these sorts of lapses which are so simple to cure.

Now the idea of rehabilitating Agent Barrett after last week's lapse because of the excuse that he was brainwashed is equally unrealistic and unbelievable. He should be under guard. But then Carter should have been arrested.

Otherwise, it was a good monster Sci Fi tv episode. Good action good cgi.

Gate gal
August 11th, 2006, 10:25 PM
I enjoyed this episode. It was character driven, and we needed a character driven episode for the new people. I loved Sam in charge of the SGC!!!! I thought there were some really funny moments between Sam/Vala, Vala/Teal'c, and Sam/Teal'c. I loved every one of them (especially the poker game)! I thought the moments between Landry and Mitchell were very telling. It was good for Mitchell's character development (which was missing in season 9). The leadership of SG1 has been a sore spot for all of us, and I think the PTB handled it pretty diplomatically. I loved all the characters tonight, and I thought they had great chemistry together. I really didn't miss Daniel (and I love Daniel), so they must have done something right! I can't wait until next week!

Holy Hannah! It's gonna be great!

nyxlily
August 11th, 2006, 10:28 PM
This was definitely a character development episode with the monsters as a subplot. Which, while not wholly enjoyable to what seem like the majority so far, served to bring the team together and advanced another sub-storyline: The Trust. With two episodes that dealt fairly heavily into it, anyone else thinking they might come into play later on in the season?

I have never really cared for Landry, but this episode raised my opinion of him quite a few notch! I felt that the first half of the episode told me more about his history and character than all of last season did. That might partly be why I never cared for him as he was little more than a recurring guest star. Now I am beginning to get to know Landry for who he truly is and I like it. Hey, he's a nature buff! That's another point in my book.

There was a little Mitchell angst. Last season HE was the kid in the candy store. Hanging out with his heroes and saving the planet. This season he is a LOT more serious with a brooding quality about him at times. I think the turning point was when he woke up in his... F302? Or something.. at the beginning of 'Flesh and Blood'. Made him realized this was not a game. People he knew personally died and will die. Plus the whole chain of command comment. He's not playing soldier anymore, he's got responsibilities and he knows it. But he also realises he relies on SG-1 more than they need him as a leader. Still, he delivers great one-liners. The vice-presidential hunt line had me going.

Teal'c said some extremely funny things this episode without appearing like an alien ignorant of Earth cultures. The little jabs between him and Sam really showed their easy friendship with each other. We get shown their friendship, yes, but never the lighter side of it. Teal'c/Vala scenes are worth a mention as they are the only ones I liked of Vala this episode.

Sam was Sam again! She was in charge! She was efficient and commanding and got things done. Well, she always do do those things.. but last episode really soured me of her character. So I'm glad that, as far as I am concerned, her behavior in 'Insiders' was just a plot device to advance the overall arc. She shouldn't have been used that way, but at least it was just a one time thing. I hope.

I thought I was getting to like Vala. I even liked her a bit LAST season. This episode: I found her extremely annoying and wished she would shut up. Her behavior was appalling. She got in people's way. She insulted the people she was supposed to work with. She repeatedly voiced opinions in such an arrogant manner when she should be trying to help. Fine, she was trying to prove herself, do it by listening to the people in charge. She's on probation, show a little respect. Saying 'no offense' does not mean it wasn't offensive. ARG! I was liking the character! I hope she won't be this annoying again.

Okay. I'm calm. I'm calm.

The poker scene was great. Another light hearted team moment that we rarely get to see. Loved the good natured jabs between Sam and Teal'c. They are so great together but they are hardly ever paired up. Too bad.

Overall, I don't mind the monsters. In fact, the night scene was fun to watch *ignoring the Vala parts*. Loved to see Landry out with his men and in charge. The scene where they were back to back with each other, to me, was pretty intense. Oh yeah, which reminds me: whoever said this episode was gory was right. Lots and lots of blood. I was sad to see Wade die :(

DEM
August 11th, 2006, 10:29 PM
Best part was Landry said "your team" to Mitchell... so we definetely know who's team it is ;)Yes, SG-1 is Mitchell's team. And Daniel's team, and Teal'c's team, and Carter's team -- as in, the team of which they all are a part.

PG15
August 11th, 2006, 10:47 PM
A slow start, but quickly escalated into a pretty damn good episode!

I honest cannot think of anyway how this episode could be said as not having teaminess (and when you figure out this sentence, let me know). I mean, we have great scenes between Vala and Sam, Mitch and Landry, Vala and Teal'c, and of course, loved the poker scene!

This was one of those episodes where I just have no idea how the writers spun it out. I mean, I couldn't figure out at all how the creature got to be, and yet it made SO MUCH sense when Sam explained it all, and boy, was it complicated!

Loved the continuity, refering to Mitch's past comments (nice little development there from a "throw-away" remark/joke), and of course, Agent Barrett.

Also, a slight downside, but this episode was a lot more gruesome than normal gate eps. The blood and injuries were one thing, but the creature autopsy I think was a little overboard. No matter though, they had to do it sometime after 199 episodes. ;)

The bird call! :D Beau got some skillz!

Vala was very smartly written, and most of what she said sounded like they came form a seasoned professional, so very well done writers!

Loved the Cheney joke. :D

Loved the night scenes at the end, very real and isolated-like. Gives a sense that they were surrounded by something (most likely darkness ;)).

Score: 8/10

Next up, 200! :D

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
August 11th, 2006, 10:49 PM
okay i liked the last 8 minutes of SG-1 tonite with whole searching for the mutated bear thing kinda reminded me of Doom and stuff. I was hoping for Mitchell to Say Shut up to vala as well. i liked the whole vice presidental crack. it was funny. the whole thing would've made the poker scene better if o'neill showed up and said:

O'Neill: hey kids look's like you need a schooling in poker
(vala,mitchell,carter, teal'c and landry look up at jack and have a shocked looked on their faces)
O'Neill: What?
Carter: Shouldn't you be in washington?
O'Neill: Yeah and your point i got leave.
Mitchell: pull up a chair general.
Landry: Nice to see you Jack
Teal'c: Indeed O'Neill it is good to see you again.
O'Neill (grabs a chair and sits next to landry and teal'c): thank you so five card stud or what?
Fade to black End credits.

DEM
August 11th, 2006, 10:49 PM
Did I hear correctly? Damian Kindler wrote this episode? Damian Kindler wrote a Carter-heavy episode in which Carter's characterisation didn't suddenly and inexplicably veer into the twilight zone? :eek: I've seen it all!

Seriously, this ep wasn't bad. I'd give it about a 6.5/10. Definitely the ep I've enjoyed most this season; even though it wasn't particularly newsworthy.

Beau Bridges amused me. First time I've like him as Landry in .... well, since I can remember.

Carter, Teal'c, and Vala were fun together. However, as has been the case with Vala since her introduction, Kindler went to the well once too often. The writers just don't seem to know when enough is enough, and Vala ends each episode where she began: a caricature.

Who is that new doc? I've just seen that actor in something else, but I can't place her. It's bugging me.

Of course, the big news was Carter in charge of the SGC. Speaks for itself.

ETA: Ah, I forgot something! Sherriff Wayne got the bus treatment! bwah! But I also felt bad for him! A random guest star! :eek: They keep this up, I might start liking this show again. :p

One Last Last thing: During the poker scene, I saw the "a true warrior" line coming a mile away and around the corner, but it I laughed out loud nevertheless.

yowo
August 11th, 2006, 10:56 PM
I really liked this episode. :jack_new_anime07:
Season 10 is “SO” much better than season 9. :indeed:
It was absolutely wonderful seeing Sam in charge. I guess we have to take what we can get. If she can’t be in charge of the team then why not the base. :samanime15:
I thought there were a lot of funny lines. And I loved the interaction between the characters. :sam43: :tealcanime49: :cameron08: :valaanime03:
Although we didn't get to see Daniel, they are making it much easier for us to like Mitchell, Vala, and Landry better by showing us more of the old established characters that we love so much unlike last season. It is hard to like the show when it is just The Mitchell :cameronanime10: , and Vala :valaanime03: show.
:sam59: Carter rocks in this episode. I really wish we could see her take charge more often.
I love the old SG-1 feeling of season 10! :jack_new_anime07: :samanime20: :tealc39: :danielanime13: :hammond06:
A#1

nyxlily
August 11th, 2006, 11:00 PM
I don't know. I really really -really- did not care for Vala this episode. She was immature, offensive, a major distraction with an arrogant attitude that annoyed me to no end. I thought she was supposed to be growing as a character, not regressing.

That said, I totally forgot to mention: Reynolds! I adore that guy. I wish we could see more of him! I'm glad he's still alive and still in charge of SG-3. Now, unofficially, I've read in fanfics that Ferreti is in charge of SG-2. Aside from that, do we know canonically who is in charge of SG-2?

PG15
August 11th, 2006, 11:02 PM
Walter in Command? oh wow..that just seems so.. funny ;) .. I mean.. this guy is most of the time like the over-serious seargent-style (check the episode when the gate went missing..) .. and then HE being in charge? That would be hilarious.. I guess he would be "oh.. mh.. ah.. mh.. " in 5 minutes ;)

"Uh, Walter? Don't you think you've closed and opened the iris enough times now?"

"It's Master Sergent to you, and no"

leighanners
August 11th, 2006, 11:03 PM
I'm not really an SG1er, unlike my mother who brought Daniel being MIA from the last two episodes to my attention. And you'd think I'd notice that since he's the character I identify with most on the show. Anyways. Is there any reason why he's in England or wherever the hell he is researching and not physically in the episodes? I didn't know if there was a reason for Michael Shanks' absense.

Gate gal
August 11th, 2006, 11:04 PM
okay i liked the last 8 minutes of SG-1 tonite with whole searching for the mutated bear thing kinda reminded me of Doom and stuff. I was hoping for Mitchell to Say Shut up to vala as well. i liked the whole vice presidental crack. it was funny. the whole thing would've made the poker scene better if o'neill showed up and said:

O'Neill: hey kids look's like you need a schooling in poker
(vala,mitchell,carter, teal'c and landry look up at jack and have a shocked looked on their faces)
O'Neill: What?
Carter: Shouldn't you be in washington?
O'Neill: Yeah and your point i got leave.
Mitchell: pull up a chair general.
Landry: Nice to see you Jack
Teal'c: Indeed O'Neill it is good to see you again.
O'Neill (grabs a chair and sits next to landry and teal'c): thank you so five card stud or what?
Fade to black End credits.
Oh, I'd have loved to see that! It's his cabin afterall! That would have given it a perfect 10 for me. As it is, I'd give it an 8, maybe a 9.

PG15
August 11th, 2006, 11:06 PM
Michael Shanks is taking some time off to tend to his new baby. He'll be back next week, no worries.

Gate gal
August 11th, 2006, 11:07 PM
Michael Shanks wanted more family time, so he is only doing 16 episodes this season (new baby at home).

caskin
August 11th, 2006, 11:16 PM
Lol, yeah the lack of day-glow orange got me too. I kept thinkin' ya'll are gonna get shot! But the one guy had a hat at least... my brother saw it and said "wow, that's a bright hat" and I was like, that's the point!
Second hunting problem is if this is Colorado after all... Elk season is in the fall when everything's dead, but oh well, minor details. ;)
The Writers need a Colorado consultant! I always laugh when they have flights from colorado springs to DIA (other episodes). haha...

I should shut my mouth now before I spew on a rant about creature details. I thought this was a fun episode, I'll have to watch it again with my mind off the beasty though to really take it all in.
Potatoe on legs! Which could be a colorado creature after all.
When the first one plopped down dead so comically all of us watching burst out laughing.

Loved watching this with friends! good times. :D

NotAscended
August 11th, 2006, 11:27 PM
Potatoe on legs! Which could be a colorado creature after all.
When the first one plopped down dead so comically all of us watching burst out laughing.


The way the creature fell over was the way my dog plays "dead" and cracked me up too. It made me think it is a shame they couldn't somehow tranquilize them and let Vala keep them as pets. She wanted to capture them so bad, and they seem like the kinds of things she might keep as pets. :)

leighanners
August 11th, 2006, 11:38 PM
Michael Shanks is taking some time off to tend to his new baby. He'll be back next week, no worries.

Aww! I didn't know he had a baby! That's so exciting. The special effects department did a great job concealing the pregnancy in the previous episodes! You couldn't even tell he was showing. :danielanime13:

Haha. Thanks guys. I shall look forward to his return.

Uber
August 11th, 2006, 11:48 PM
Yes, SG-1 is Mitchell's team. And Daniel's team, and Teal'c's team, and Carter's team -- as in, the team of which they all are a part.Interesting though that Sam was left in charge of the SGC...which at least hints that she is 2IC of the base. If Mitchell was, he'd have been sitting in Landry's chair and giving orders to the others and Sam would have been the one at the cabin with Landry.

Just a thought.

:sam59:

caskin
August 11th, 2006, 11:50 PM
The way the creature fell over was the way my dog plays "dead" and cracked me up too. It made me think it is a shame they couldn't somehow tranquilize them and let Vala keep them as pets. She wanted to capture them so bad, and they seem like the kinds of things she might keep as pets. :)

Now that would have been sweet! Capturing it and keeping it in a basement lock-up somewhere. Who needs security? Just a safe place to hide and a remote that opens the door.
And for once it would be an offworld souvernier that's fascinating! Nothing interesting ever lasts long. Kind of like new ships.
If we did keep things there would be all kinds of new episode possibilities, like X-files where nothing ever ends.

"What came from Area-51!"

memnarch
August 11th, 2006, 11:54 PM
I was pleasantly surprised by Univited! I expected an episode where the lame excuse for a storyline, ie the parasites from another dimension, would dominate the show and didn't leave any room for character. Instead, the "story" was merely an excuse for great character moments and development! At the forefront, was Mitchell's interaction with Landry, which exposed a lot about both men's characters. As much as they don't get along, they are more similar than I think they realize. Also, I loved Carter's "holy hannah" because it really brought back some of her roots from the earlier seasons as a military brat. Oh and her and Vala's conversation in Landry's office was hysterical! The way Claudia Black wiggled over the chair was priceless, as was Teal'c's toleration of her antics, which I think he secretly enjoys. The cap it off, the poker scene really showed them all together outside of work relaxing, which I enjoy everytime we see it. Too bad Daniel wasn't there to make it complete.

All in all, 3/4 for good character scenes and an entertaining premise (if a little contrived)

nyxlily
August 11th, 2006, 11:59 PM
Well, I thought Mitchell and Landry got along fine. Or as fine as a subordinate would be around his superior. They certainly hold a lot of respect for one another.

Kliggins
August 12th, 2006, 12:11 AM
I liked that Sam got her scientific mind back and that she was left in charge of the SGC in Landry's absence.

I liked the bluff at the poker game.

Monster story reminded me too much of Allegiance with the invisible enemy/thing.

I was bored through about half of it. 5/10.

Dani347
August 12th, 2006, 12:14 AM
So despite two big time drawbacks (the first being no Daniel -and I don't give a hoot that it was MS' choice. No Daniel is a drawback for me- and the second that it was kind of disgusting in spots -torn bodies, nasty looking creature) and it was neither intense or humorous, I felt it was an enjoyable episode for what it was. I wasn't bored. I liked the character interactions. I found it kind of odd that Sam seemed kind of excited to not have to spend time with Vala in their first scene and appeared to push Vala off on Teal'c (not that way). I was thinking they had seemed to get along pretty well last week. It seemed like the writers were going with the woman can't be friends thing. Like that Mitchell is uncomfortable around his boss and like his talk to Landry and I'm not saying a single other thing about the leadership thing. I loved what's his face (sorry, bad at names) telling Vala "amateurs coming through." And, although I couldn't quite enjoy the poker game because Daniel couldn't join in (I hope they have another episode with a fun happy time at the end that Daniel is a part of -and part of the whole group), I liked that there was that little bit between Sam and Teal'c, who I think need more time together to capitalize on their chemistry.

So, aside from really missing Daniel and wanting to cover my eyes part of the time, I liked it.

Morgania
August 12th, 2006, 12:27 AM
Good episode, I really liked the end. The poker scene was funny.

To me, those creatures looked like something from the Resident Evil video games.

Dani347
August 12th, 2006, 12:31 AM
Why did Landry assume Mitchell was joking at the end when he told him to get down?

Agent_Dark
August 12th, 2006, 01:08 AM
Poker! Hah! Sam going all in! :D

Sasusc
August 12th, 2006, 01:20 AM
I got to say I love this episode! Teal'c/Vala moments were funny! And I love that Sam was put in charge of SGC. Landry/Mitchell moments were funny as well. Especially the bird call scene.

Oh, BTW, I'm car-illerate (really I am! Been driving for several years and only recently learned how to turn on my flashers!). Can someone tell me what kind of car Mitchell was driving? I want to say . . . firebird.

Famous
August 12th, 2006, 01:26 AM
Really enjoyed this one. Vala was hilarious(as always), I liked the twist on the Sodan cloaking technology(better than having a generic Ori plague/weapon). Sam running the SGC was great. I liked the Mitchell/Landry scenes alot too, though they got a bit repetitive after a while. The poker scene at the end was funny too. Looking forward to next week.

Kliggins
August 12th, 2006, 01:32 AM
I got to say I love this episode! Teal'c/Vala moments were funny! And I love that Sam was put in charge of SGC. Landry/Mitchell moments were funny as well. Especially the bird call scene.

Oh, BTW, I'm car-illerate (really I am! Been driving for several years and only recently learned how to turn on my flashers!). Can someone tell me what kind of car Mitchell was driving? I want to say . . . firebird.

Looked like a Mustang to me, but couldn't tell you what year.

Sasusc
August 12th, 2006, 01:38 AM
Mustang of some type. Couldn't tell you the year.

Thanks! I always pictured Mitchell as a truck kind of guy.

Mesenet
August 12th, 2006, 02:01 AM
Highlights were Landry and Mitchell having their leadership discussion, and the bird calling diddy. As an avid bird watcher, it cracked me up.

Makes one wonder if Beau had to learn that call or is he an bird watcher himself.


Was good to see Sam in command of SGC. Yes, it was.

FerCryinOutLoud!
August 12th, 2006, 02:07 AM
Coming from someone who used to be an avid hunter...(I'm not anymore) Most hunters don't wear those vests because though it may make other hunters aware of your presence, it makes animals aware of your presence too. Seeing how most animals are either startled by bright colors or have their attention drawn to them, or in this case a mutant, it doesn't help you much in keeping yourself concealed from your quarey. It draws attention to your presence. I don't know about you but i don't want to make it easier for a mutant to see me in the woods. But as far as drunk hunters go, an orange vest is not a fail-safe in keeping you from getting shot. The way they portrayed hunters in this episode, though i consider many hunters to be ignorant red necks, was rediculous. Real hunters don't act like that. And alcolhol and firearms is one sure-fire way to make sure you will never legally touch a gun again, either because you accidentally murdered your buddy or were caught by your local unfriendly game warden and relinquished your right to bear arms.

Anyway, sorry for the sermon, but all in all i really enjoyed the team interaction and character development, but really cringed at the sci fi made for tv movie ugly monster plot. The monster looked like one of the creatures from Doom, the videogame.

The doctor lady was a barbie doll without the blonde hair. Didn't like her at all. If she were my doctor i'd be scared for my life.

The bird call was hilarious!

This season is great. I hope the ratings jump back up and i can't wait for next week's two hundredth episode.

FerCryinOutLoud!
August 12th, 2006, 02:12 AM
Oh yeah, by the way, can anyone explain to me why the Trust guy with the Sodan cloaking device was doing out in the middle of the woods, coincidentally and conveniently the same woods that Landry and Mitchel were in? I mean what was he doing out there? What was his purpose for bein randomly in the middle of no where? Did i miss something or was that just overlooked by the writers?

Just a minor gripe.

I love SG-1!

nyxlily
August 12th, 2006, 02:14 AM
Yes.. a lot of the female doctors seem to be beautiful and amazingly young to have all that experience and skills.

ETA: He was out there to spy on Landry.

Mesenet
August 12th, 2006, 02:19 AM
AAhhhhh...Cam you're a manly man hunting in your jeans and leather jacket.


I did find his wearing a nice leather jacket in the woods a tad odd - even if it was supposed to just a relaxing getaway.

RealmOfX
August 12th, 2006, 02:57 AM
Looked like a Mustang to me, but couldn't tell you what year.

I'm not sure but I think it could be a 1965 High Performance Mustang.

Kas
August 12th, 2006, 02:58 AM
Makes one wonder if Beau had to learn that call or is he an bird watcher himself.

.

According to Alex Levine in his latest blog Beau Bridges is indeed a bird watcher, so he probably does know the mating call of that duck! Hee :cameron:

http://blog.scifi.com/stargate/

Mesenet
August 12th, 2006, 03:01 AM
So far S10 is restoring my faith in the writers.

I like all the eps so far.
I like this one because of the character development - something that was tinkered with a little in S9, with Mitchell, but nothing substantial. Liked getting the back story on Landry's career.

It was great seeing the air force and scientist Sam again - and running the show at the SGC to boot!

How about Teal'c saving the day by zatting the creature. He has some funny lines/scenes.

I am actually looking forward to 200 considering I do not like Wormhole Extreme.

Sasusc
August 12th, 2006, 03:03 AM
I'm not sure but I think it could be a 1965 High Performance Mustang.

Thanks! I'll go google that or something.

EDIT: Yeah, I think you're right. Pics I've seen looks like it. Thank you again!

Adrius
August 12th, 2006, 03:20 AM
The most disturbing part of this episode was when Vala was wiggling her butt in Landry's office. I'm going to have nightmares from that.Ah, but it was great because that was the point. Didn't you see Sam's face? It was a "What the #&*@ are you doing!?" expression :p

shockwave
August 12th, 2006, 04:50 AM
good episode
great character interactions

vala rocked

ann_sgcfan
August 12th, 2006, 05:06 AM
Last night was the first episode that I have seen this season, for many reasons I stopped watching. I knew last night was supposed to answer the leadership questions so I dared to watch. I have to say that I actually enjoyed it. Sam was in command of the SGC, which was wonderful!!!! Although, it does appear from Landry that the co-leadership is what they are going to stay with, which is okay as long as Sam does get to be in charge some too like last night! THe Sam and Teal'c moment at the end while they were playing poker was too funny. I loved that it showed Teal'c picking on Sam about her lack of poker skills. THen she bluffed him! Shows their ten year friendship at its best! THey were both very comfortable with the other.

I thought that Mitchell being so uncomfortable around Landry was funny. I thought Vala was even funny without being over the top. The way Sam and Mitchell kept rolling their eyes at her and Teal'c's, Sam and the other SG team's reluctance to have her around was fitting for the character, which in my opinion finally makes the Vala character the comic relief instead of all the overtly sexual comments.

So in all I was surprisingly happy to see a semblance of the old SG-1 back. I was happy to see Sam in command!! I'm glad they have toned Vala down. I think the ten years Teal'c has been on Earth seems to have relaxed him little more. :) I can’t wait to see the 200 episode next week.

macktheknife
August 12th, 2006, 05:09 AM
*adds another person to list of hot female intelligent sgc doctors*

It was a good filler ep, something similar to The Defiant One, except with more character interatction.

I'm Just Sayin'
August 12th, 2006, 05:11 AM
I really liked seeing Jack's cabin again, though I'm still wondering when Jack moved his cabin from Minnesota to Colorado, but I guess we can't have everything.

This is one of those lack of continuity things that just bug me. It was well established that Jack's cabin was in Minnesota. Now Colorado? Argh!!!

DEM
August 12th, 2006, 05:23 AM
I'm not sure but I think it could be a 1965 High Performance Mustang.Yup, looked like a '65 Fastback to me too, RoX.

ann_sgcfan
August 12th, 2006, 05:23 AM
This is one of those lack of continuity things that just bug me. It was well established that Jack's cabin was in Minnesota. Now Colorado? Argh!!!

OHHH. I missed that! I was thinking they were in Minnesota the whole time! After all THAT is where Jack's cabin is located!!! I am disappointed they would forget such a detail, but unfortunately not surprised. :o

Sam fisher
August 12th, 2006, 06:08 AM
When you see T throw a nade at the first monster, it looks like T does his own fuses. Because that grenade exploded after like two seconds.

Livi2Jack
August 12th, 2006, 06:11 AM
I was a 1969 Mustang Cobra.

Agent_Dark
August 12th, 2006, 06:11 AM
When you see T throw a nade at the first monster, it looks like T does his own fuses. Because that grenade exploded after like two seconds.
Maybe he cooked it off?

Sam fisher
August 12th, 2006, 06:14 AM
Maybe he cooked it off?
No, that would take three seconds to cook it and I didn't see him take off the safety lever.

DEM
August 12th, 2006, 06:34 AM
I was a 1969 Mustang Cobra.No, I really don't think so.

RoX, this is for you with a smirk.


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/SCVolvo_ascension.jpg + http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/SCMustang_covenant.jpg > http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/1965Fastback.jpg

chocdoc
August 12th, 2006, 06:36 AM
So despite two big time drawbacks (the first being no Daniel -and I don't give a hoot that it was MS' choice. No Daniel is a drawback for me- and the second that it was kind of disgusting in spots -torn bodies, nasty looking creature) and it was neither intense or humorous, I felt it was an enjoyable episode for what it was. I wasn't bored. I liked the character interactions. I found it kind of odd that Sam seemed kind of excited to not have to spend time with Vala in their first scene and appeared to push Vala off on Teal'c (not that way). I was thinking they had seemed to get along pretty well last week. It seemed like the writers were going with the woman can't be friends thing. Like that Mitchell is uncomfortable around his boss and like his talk to Landry and I'm not saying a single other thing about the leadership thing. I loved what's his face (sorry, bad at names) telling Vala "amateurs coming through." And, although I couldn't quite enjoy the poker game because Daniel couldn't join in (I hope they have another episode with a fun happy time at the end that Daniel is a part of -and part of the whole group), I liked that there was that little bit between Sam and Teal'c, who I think need more time together to capitalize on their chemistry.

So, aside from really missing Daniel and wanting to cover my eyes part of the time, I liked it.


I didn't think that Sam was trying to push Vala off on Teal'c. I think she wanted to get out of going to Landry's cabin and Vala did have a point that they should check things out. I loved that Sam didn't want to go on this retreat. She doesn't strike me as a person who wants to go on a retreat with Landry--she wants to be working or riding her motorcycle!

Good episode in general. Loved that Sam was in command at the SGC. She handled everything beautifully. Also loved Sam/Vala interaction---more please, but with a more substantive storyline for these two. And of course, please more Sam/Teal'c. They are fantastic together---and their friendship shined through last night.

Also liked Sam/Vala/Teal'c together--they had a number of good interactions with each other---they work well together.

Glad to see that Mitchell admits that there is no clear chain of command. This is consistent with the fact that Carter is the same rank as Mitchell. I liked the Landry/Mitchell interaction as well--it made sense that Mitchell would be uncomfortable with Landry.

Two other great moments: Sam's Holy Hannah! and the poker scene with all of them together---a nice scene that I needed to see for this team.

kazzyk
August 12th, 2006, 07:11 AM
It was a great sleeping pill :(

Agent_Dark
August 12th, 2006, 07:29 AM
No, that would take three seconds to cook it and I didn't see him take off the safety lever.
Hey? If he removed the pin as soon as he took it out of his pouch, it probably would have cooked off enough by the time it landed. Where do you get the 3 seconds from?

ShardsofGlass
August 12th, 2006, 07:41 AM
I loved this ep. I really enjoyed the Mitchell and Landry scenes and how uncomfortable they were with each other. There was some bonding but not in the cliche father/son way. It seemed more realistic for two people who don't share common interests. I also liked that Mitchell wasn't the good ole boy southerner that I thought he be -- driving a truck, wanting to hunt, etc. Instead he had a Mustang, played Nintendo, and wanted to get back to the base.

The leadership conversation was interesting and compelling. I liked Landry telling Mitchell that he (Mitchell) had brought the band back together and even if things aren't as clear cut (chain of command-wise) as Mitchell would like he had to deal with it and step up to the plate. I also liked Landry telling Mitchell that he had confidence in him. It makes me wonder if Mitchell will be more in charge from now on.

THe other storyline with the bug was interesting too. Vala was humorous and didn't bug me like previous eps but I do wish someone would tell her to be quiet, and I'd love for Mitchell to tell her what his rules are.

I liked the gore and creepiness of the bug because it was realistic and made it more exciting. I also liked that the main plot was secondary to the character moments.

Agent_Dark
August 12th, 2006, 07:45 AM
No, I really don't think so.

RoX, this is for you with a smirk.


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/SCVolvo_ascension.jpg + http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/SCMustang_covenant.jpg > http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/1965Fastback.jpg
Why do SG1 always have such cool vehicles? :D
Sam has her 1961 Volvo P1800 and a vintage 1940 Indian bike, Jack has his Ford F350 and Mitchell has his own 1965 Mustang. Though I'm guessing Teal'c doesn't own a car and I picture Daniel with some little beat up car he's had since college. Probably gets great fuel economy out of it though :P

ChevronSeven
August 12th, 2006, 07:59 AM
Wow, did they fire the continuity people? First, they state that it's Jack's cabin. Jack's cabin is in MINNESOTA. Then the writer made it seem like it was Landry's cabin and the sheriff's vehicle had Colorado plates.

First of all, Jack would never get rid of the cabin in Minnesota. And I find it hard to believe that he'd never get around to visit the cabin in the year and a half it's been since he's been in Washington. Even when they try to mention Jack they can't get it right anymore. They've forgotten the character. As much as I don't want it to happen, they should just forget him all together, because when they mention him, they don't remember the backstory for the character.

Famous
August 12th, 2006, 09:52 AM
Wow, did they fire the continuity people? First, they state that it's Jack's cabin. Jack's cabin is in MINNESOTA. Then the writer made it seem like it was Landry's cabin and the sheriff's vehicle had Colorado plates.

First of all, Jack would never get rid of the cabin in Minnesota. And I find it hard to believe that he'd never get around to visit the cabin in the year and a half it's been since he's been in Washington. Even when they try to mention Jack they can't get it right anymore. They've forgotten the character. As much as I don't want it to happen, they should just forget him all together, because when they mention him, they don't remember the backstory for the character.


Umm, maybe I missed something here but I dont' remember them saying that the cabin wasn't in Minnesota? :confused: Also, they mention several times that Landry had visited several times(which makes since given that he and Jack are old friends), and I didn't think it felt like it was Landry's cabin at all. I didn't see if the sheriff's vehicle had Colorado plates or not, but even if it did that doesn't mean that the guy hadn't moved and not changed his plates, or borrowed the car, or for cryin' out loud, for a plot hole/continuity error that is pretty minor as far as those go. I mean, you're fishing for something to dislike about the episode here. The plates on the car are really inconsequential compared to how cool the episode was.

doombringer333
August 12th, 2006, 09:59 AM
Oh yeah, by the way, can anyone explain to me why the Trust guy with the Sodan cloaking device was doing out in the middle of the woods, coincidentally and conveniently the same woods that Landry and Mitchel were in? I mean what was he doing out there? What was his purpose for bein randomly in the middle of no where? Did i miss something or was that just overlooked by the writers?
The Trust operative was spying on Landry and Mitchell. I believe the Trust had been spying on SG-1 for a while, going to the same worlds SG-1 did and causing those mutations. However, I can't remember a line in the ep where this was stated in so many words.

DEM
August 12th, 2006, 10:05 AM
Umm, maybe I missed something here but I dont' remember them saying that the cabin wasn't in Minnesota? :confused: Also, they mention several times that Landry had visited several times(which makes since given that he and Jack are old friends), and I didn't think it felt like it was Landry's cabin at all. I didn't see if the sheriff's vehicle had Colorado plates or not, but even if it did that doesn't mean that the guy hadn't moved and not changed his plates, or borrowed the car, or for cryin' out loud, for a plot hole/continuity error that is pretty minor as far as those go. I mean, you're fishing for something to dislike about the episode here. The plates on the car are really inconsequential compared to how cool the episode was.In YOUR OPINION, the person is "fishing", and in your OPINION the episode was cool. I can easily understand how someone could get confused as to where this episode was supposed to be taking place. Jack's MN cabin was established at least as far back as Season Four.

As for your rationalisations: Why would a sheriff's vehicle have out of state plates? :confused: Why would Landry and SG-1 all drive separately the 13+ hours from Colorado Springs to MN? In any case, they did state that it was Silver Springs, CO.

ladyjanus
August 12th, 2006, 10:08 AM
Umm, maybe I missed something here but I dont' remember them saying that the cabin wasn't in Minnesota? :confused: Also, they mention several times that Landry had visited several times(which makes since given that he and Jack are old friends), and I didn't think it felt like it was Landry's cabin at all. I didn't see if the sheriff's vehicle had Colorado plates or not, but even if it did that doesn't mean that the guy hadn't moved and not changed his plates, or borrowed the car, or for cryin' out loud, for a plot hole/continuity error that is pretty minor as far as those go. I mean, you're fishing for something to dislike about the episode here. The plates on the car are really inconsequential compared to how cool the episode was.

Well said, well said...

ladyjanus

ChevronSeven
August 12th, 2006, 10:21 AM
Umm, maybe I missed something here but I dont' remember them saying that the cabin wasn't in Minnesota? :confused: Also, they mention several times that Landry had visited several times(which makes since given that he and Jack are old friends), and I didn't think it felt like it was Landry's cabin at all. I didn't see if the sheriff's vehicle had Colorado plates or not, but even if it did that doesn't mean that the guy hadn't moved and not changed his plates, or borrowed the car, or for cryin' out loud, for a plot hole/continuity error that is pretty minor as far as those go. I mean, you're fishing for something to dislike about the episode here. The plates on the car are really inconsequential compared to how cool the episode was.

Fo the Sheriff's vehicle, it was an official police vehicle with Colorado plates. It wouldn't be feasible for a sheriff from Colorado to drive all the way to Minnesota. And, he knew the area quite well. They never should have made mention it was O'Neill's cabin. And Teal'c asked if they were going to "his" cabin--his being Landry's. Teal'c been to O'Neill's cabin, he would have called it such.

As far as "fishing" for things to dislike about the episode, I don't have to. It pretty much presents itself. There's nothing new and exciting. And I choose to watch for the original 3. Vala makes for something interesting and she is growing on me. As for Mithcell and Landry...I've completely lost interest in them. I gave the characters chances and they haven't endeared themselves to me.

LiamS
August 12th, 2006, 10:45 AM
Don't know if this has been mentioned already, but did anyone else notice the mistake near the end?
When the team are in the woods searching for the creatures, the arm patches on the jackets are all blank, as they should be 'cause their on Earth.
Anyway when they start shooting at the first creature, the SG-1 and Earth symbol patches magically appear on all of their arms!?!

Major Gambit
August 12th, 2006, 10:47 AM
We got to see Teal'c's poker skills in that commercal. Now we actually got to see them :D

DEM
August 12th, 2006, 10:48 AM
YES! Yes, LiamS, I did notice that! :D Good catch!

Seastallion
August 12th, 2006, 11:15 AM
I liked this episode. While it was not a 'major arc' episode, it did give us some much needed team interaction scenes. We've seen into the interpersonal relationships of the characters more so than we normally get to see, and I find this quite nice. Maybe not exactly a top ten show, but certainly an episode that provides us with insight into our favoritie characters. Also, we've gotten to see the SGC deploy a new technology and that always excites me personally. Mitchell mentioned to the Trust Operative that they (the trust) should've also given him a personal shield, which makes me wonder if it something the SGC is working on to give its teams for extra protection. It would be extremely useful making an individual team far more difficult to beat in combat. I hope that is the next ground combat tech the SGC begins to employ. Let's face it, they need all the help they can get.

gate traveler
August 12th, 2006, 12:13 PM
I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but I'm pretty sure that the "scanners" that they were using at the end of the episode were actually PSP's.

LMichelle
August 12th, 2006, 12:22 PM
I could've sworn I was watching Stargate and not Scifi's movie of the week. It was pretty high on the Cheese-O-Meter, wasn't it?

The ep would have been better if it was all about them at the cabin. That would have been hilarious. :)

starfox
August 12th, 2006, 12:41 PM
Fun episode. Landry showed that he really is a total dork, which to me is just proof that the SGC is really just the geek table gone commando. There's a fanfic that refers to Atlantis as the Island of Misfit Toys; I think that mentality applies to the SGC as a whole.


Also, Dick Cheney reference? Yes, it's old, but it's still funny.


I found Vala less dazzling in this episode, but I can still buy it, I can still believe her, because it takes a while for people to change. She's not going to fit in overnight, and this is just another example of it.


And Cam's discomfort being alone with General Landry was all levels of cute.


I also really liked that this was a human error story. It's not about the larger plot arc, it's not us screwing up in really stupid ways (like last week; come on Carter, you couldn't have faked him out? You don't have a false data program in the system? Why the hell not?). It's just the SGC making a mistake that most anyone would make, and crappy things coming of it. It doesn't have the desperation of an Ori-based episode, but it feels very old-school Stargate to me. We mess up, we realise it, we fix it, we get back to other plot arcs later.


I shouldn't have laughed when the creature grabbed the sheriff, but the timing of that was just funny.

Yeah, the CGI'ed monster was a little bad-Sci-Fi-made-for-TV-movie, but I'll let that go.

All in all, not a particularly stunning ep, but not a bad one.

golfbooy
August 12th, 2006, 01:12 PM
I'm speechless. Nothing to write. Fresh out of things to say. Anybody buy that? No? OK then, maybe I do have a few words on Uninvited. But I swear, this time I'll be sure to keep it in one post. Really. That whole thing last week with the two posts and the never shutting up, sorry. My bad.

To begin, I've said before (at least in the jumbled mass of grey matter that is my brain) that perhaps the biggest problem SG-1 was having in season nine was that for some sudden and newfangled reason, the stories really lacked room to breath. Somehow, the feeling of texture and the pacing of thought that had been such a distinct hallmark of Old Stargate had been lost, either through an intentional shift in the way stories were told or through an unintentional attempt to "fill" each episode with more--more action, more jokes, more plot. Not surprisingly, there was also less (far, far less) room for character to come through in these " stuffier" stories. Thus far, season ten has illustrated a welcome return to the more classic tone of Stargate SG-1, and Uninvited in particular exemplifies SG-1's way of telling a story with "room to breath". In fact, it's the kind of episode that gives whole seasons room to breath, and that allows the writers to occaisonally provide nothing but an all out action-fest or an all out plot development story. Uninvited was all about the characters, and in my book, that in and of itself is a small victory over season nine.

To begin, and to apparently once again flog the same horse, Uninvited is the happy beneficiary of SG-1's penchant for building stories on top of older stories. Throwing together the Sodan cloaking technology with the bleed through effect first encountered with Ancient technology in Sight Unseen provides a surprisingly stable foundation for the weak alien parasite/mutant creature premise. Sure, it was cheesy as hell, and that creature evoked more chuckles and laughs from me than it was probabaly supposed to, but I can forgive all of that so long as the internal logic and continuity of the show is maintainted, so long as it makes sense. And it did here. The giant bug from Bane will always be my favorite creature (how can it not be after seeing RDA behind the scenes playing with it?), but I'm willing to take what is given in the alien creature department as long as it doesn't become the focus of the story.

The entire creature plotline was pretty standard fare, but provided fantastic opportunities for the main characters to either develop (in the case of Vala) or illustrate (Carter and Teal'c) the relationships that connect them. Virtually all of the Carter/Teal'c/Vala team stuff is worthwhile and fun to watch. And the Landry/Mitchell "B" story also worked reasonably well in concert with the creature plot. Particularly, it allowed General Landry to finally develop some character and somewhat of a repoire with SG-1 and with the audience.

I must mention, however, that I don't believe that I've ever seen TPTB so blatantly pander to the various fanbases in a single episode. Uninvited, for as enjoyable as I found it, was very much a "mea culpa" on the parts of TPTB, where they acknowledged and attempted to rectify a number of issues that have rankled various fans since the advent of New Stargate. Mitchell's newfound and now canonical special forces training, his (and the writer's) admission of a change in Mitchell's character last season, the further dissolution of a chain of command among SG-1, and Sam's being in charge of the SGC all speak to the fact that TPTB are aware that a number of mistakes were made with the introduction of Cameron Mitchell to the Stargate universe. To see TPTB so clearly reach out to their once stable fan base is a rather extraordinary thing, though if recent ratings are any indication it may be too late. So it looks like they're going to stick with the co-command bit. And Mitchell's supposed special province is to "keep everyone working together". I can't really recall Carter, Teal'c, and Daniel ever having a problem working together, but whatever. Mitchell will continue to be random guy with gun. That's fine; there's nothing wrong with being Random Guy With Gun. During those last few years many will argue that that is all Jack O'neill was. But Richard Dean Anderson quite easily made Jack matter very much in every scene he was in. He made sure there was way more to the character than just his basic function. It's up to Ben Browder to do the same to Mitchell. We'll see.......

The one rather sour note in Uninvited, at least to me, was the damn handwaving about Agent Barrett's condition. I was hopeful that some kind of serious repercussions might follow from the infiltration of the Trust into the NID (again!) and that Barrett's character might be seriously affected in some way. Silly me. Pray tell, how exactly was Malcolm Barrett, NID Agent extraordinaire, cured from Ba'al's brainwashing? Oh, right, he removed his symbiote and went through the Rite of M'al Sharran, just like Teal'c (who lived) and Brother Eukan (who died). No? No symbiote for Barrett? Well, then I just won't think about it too hard. And speaking of the Goa'uld-run Trust, if at the end of the day Robert Kinsey isn't sitting in the chair running it I'm going to be one pissed off viewer. Anyway, it was nice of Damien Kindler to try and clean up some of Alan McCollough's mess from last week. Someone apparently has to. I just hope that McCollough's next effort won't be so abysmal (just checked the spoilers--YIKES!) .

Um, that's about it for the story. Not much to say, but that can be a good thing. As for the players, Landry is easily the place to begin. Beau Bridges turns in what is easily his best performance to date in Uninvited. He seems far more at ease (and far less a caricature) when he doesn't have the uniform on. He was similarly as comfortable only in the scene with RDA when the two generals were sharing a game of chess. The only time I cringed was during his pep talk to Mitchell. Am I the only one who found his "Win or Die" along the same vein as "Cake or Death?" And I couldn't help but fill in Mitchell's "I prefer winning" response with my own, "Very well, give him cake too." :D

Speaking of Mitchell, I've been saying for weeks that they'd hit the reset on his character, and Uninvited essentially admits as much. This more serious, somewhat grim and melancholic character is a much better fit to the show, though, which leaves me with nothing much to say. I can't fault them for doing better, even if it is an illogical progression to get there. The only Mitchell stuff that I had a problem with was the crack about the sheriff "looking for his 15 minutes" or trying to bump up tourism. That kind of cynicism rang false with me, especially as it was such a part of Jack O'neill's character, who Mitchell is supposedly not trying to ape. Still, more of this Mitchell, please.

As others have said, Vala here was again both entertaining and cloyingly incommodious. The inability to reconcile who she is with what she is doing must be addressed more fully. I think that the writers are going to the Vala comedy well far, far too often, and quickly need to give the character some depth. Claudia Black's interactions with the other actors, however, help to take the edge off of her apparent uselessness.

Lastly, Sam and Teal'c are clearly the big winners in this one. Their interactions and easy friendship is a joy to watch. All of the nuance of relationship that was missing from the original character's stoic interplay last season is illustrated here in all its glory. Can there be any doubt that these two have been friends and fought side by side every day for the last ten years? In particular, Teal'c's fold (you know he had her beat :p ) during the poker game at the end was delightful. More please, with some Daniel and Jack thrown in, too.

Um, that's it. 200 is next week, and it looks delightfully silly. But I'd welcome some serious interplay between any of the original characters and Jack. Here's hoping.

FerCryinOutLoud!
August 12th, 2006, 01:27 PM
Hey, maybe Jack has two cabins. Because if i remember right, this cabin looks nothing like Jack's cabin we've seen before, and it doesn't have a pond like the other one. I'm not trying to make up for plot holes, but maybe there's more than one cabin. But there probably isn't. If it bothers you that much, just pretend. lol

DEM
August 12th, 2006, 01:54 PM
. :)

esoap524
August 12th, 2006, 01:58 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. Everyone had something to do. Sam and Teal'c got some nice moments. Mitchell and Landry got some uncomfortable ones (very funny) and FINALLY! we got to see Vala and Sam interact directly. I loved the scene with Vala and Sam in Landry's office, the big chair and the no feet on the desk, the whole thing about a woman occupying the chair. That scene just worked so well between those two characters.

I also like the double take between Teal'c and Vala when he tackles her and then she says "I'm flattered but I don't think we have time..." Wonderful!

Also--some more fun Cam/Vala stuff, especially "we'll call it plan B" and "next time, we'll go over MY rules!" Ooh, she didn't look too terribly ruffled by that, did she.

I almost didn't miss Daniel this time around--I almost feel like the poor guy missed out on a great time there at the end.

I want more Carter/Vala moments. They're so different and each could afford to be a little more like the other (just a little...).

Maj_Cliffhanger
August 12th, 2006, 02:07 PM
Very good and enjoyable episode. Hey, I for one always love it when the writers give use some character meat to go with the action gravy. And this episode was very meaty indeed. I thought the Mitchell/Laundry storyline was very well done – loved that Mitchell never really seemed comfortable around Landry, and they touched Agent Barrett and on the chain-of-command issue which was nice. There was more than just the vaguest of nods a past episodes here and I appreciated it as it has really been lacking (IMHO!) I also liked the way that Vala//Teal'c/Sam interacted on the base. I liked that they didn't just 'bam!' know what the problem was but had a bit of a mystery to figure it out. Having read spoilers for the episode I was pleasantly surprised by the complexity of this story line. I like details and logic – this was a good thing for me.

Things I didn't like – I'm sorry, but the special effects were definitely sub-par for Stargate. I've come to expect so much more. And I'm not talking about the CGI! Yeah... the monster kinda looked half done to me. In the scene where it attacked the sheriff, it seemed to have some kind of orange fur but in the ending scenes it looked like a bald sharpie (very wrinkly dog) crossed with the saber tooth tiger from Ice Age. That said, I can let it slide because, let's face it, those effects cost a heck of a lot of money and these shows are on a budget (with a large chunk going to '200' I imagine!) The parasite CGI was very well done. No, my biggest gripe wasn't the CGI, it was the thunderstorm. Flash! BOOM! Flash BOOM! No rolling thunder. The lightening was all directly on to of them and way too intense. I've seen stage productions do a better job!

Okay, I got that rant out of my system. Back to what I liked. Despite the bad thunderstorm effects, the Michell and Landry interaction was very good. The way they filmed the scene where they almost shot each other was perfectly timed and nicely directed. Loved Mitchell's comment that he might not be the only one who needed to relax. This was a character driven episode. It was everything I was hoping Morpeus would be but wasn't – but that's a different kettle of fish.

I do have one other little nitpick that I have seen in at least one other previous episode... and it ties into another poster's question about who was in charge at the SGC when Carter and Reynolds were both off world. As much as I enjoyed seeing Sam being in charge (in a previous episode I'm remembering it was Sam and Cam both in charge) ... Correct me if I'm wrong, Reynolds is a Major, right? Well, uh, er... what the heck ever happened to the full bird colonels in this command? That rank seems to have vanished from the SGC! I don't care how good SG-1is, a full bird colonel should still be second in command and out rank both Sam and Cam.

Back to likes: 'Loved Vala and Teal'c's interaction. I think one of the things that make it so good for me is complete lack of the normal 'Teal'c intimidation factor'. Vala isn't put off by his size or his silence or his serious demeanor as many others are. This man can cow others with a look but Vala just treats him like a giant teddy bear or something! LOL! And he lets her! I loved the briefing room scene where she actually slaps her hands on his arm in such a friendly, familiar way as she is talking. And the scene where he tackled her on the planet and she gives him her typical sassy retort about being flattered but they don't have time for it... Mitchell would have rolled his eyes and maybe even groaned. Teal'c just asked if she was injured – I think the two of them understand each other very well and I am looking forward to more such interaction between them.

The poker scene of course was the perfect ending. I loved Teal'c's comment about Sam's poor poker skills and then, after seeing the SciFi commercial with Teal'c, I especially enjoyed seeing Carter bluff him out. It was great! And Mitchell finally relaxes enough to joke with Landry about the look on his face when he said 'get down!' - and Landry shoots him down. Yup! Mitchell isn't the only one who needs to relax – and the boundries between buddies and superior/subordinate still need to work and defining. Which is as it should be.

And Daniel, yes I love Daniel – but I didn't miss him, (I did last episode) which was amazing and says a lot about how well the episode was written.

A 9/10 for me.

Ace
August 12th, 2006, 02:53 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, Reynolds is a Major, right? Well, uh, er... what the heck ever happened to the full bird colonels in this command? That rank seems to have vanished from the SGC! I don't care how good SG-1is, a full bird colonel should still be second in command and out rank both Sam and Cam.

Actually.... Reynolds is a full bird colonel! :D Has been for a couple of years now. At least from Season 7 as he called Jack by his first name in Lost City... but even then I'm sure he was probably a full colonel at the beginning of Season 7 when he found Daniel roaming around on that planet.

And on a completely different note... several people have mentioned Mitchell's "special forces" training. Honestly, he was probably talking about SERE training. Which stands for Survival Evasion Resistance Escape training. Which many pilots in the Air Force take who operate in dangerous areas and are likely to be captured.

However for the many fans who have never served in the military or who weren't as knowledgeable about the military. Wouldn't have a clue as to what Mitchell was refering to if he had said... "Then I remembered my SERE training..."

So for the sake of the audiences I think they just made it "Special Forces" training... just so the audience would have a clue that he had been trained to navigate his away around.

Ace

Uber
August 12th, 2006, 03:18 PM
Actually.... Reynolds is a full bird colonel! :D Has been for a couple of years now. At least from Season 7 as he called Jack by his first name in Lost City... but even then I'm sure he was probably a full colonel at the beginning of Season 7 when he found Daniel roaming around on that planet.Are you sure about him being a bird colonel? When we first see him in Touchstone, he's a Major. Then in Ascension (season 5), he's a Colonel, but I've presumed he was and still is a Lt. Colonel. In Zero Hour, Carter didn't treat him as a superior officer. Do we have a screen capture of him showing his rank? I've actually wondered this for a while about him.

But then, I'm still trying to figure out how Walter went from a Master Sergeant (E7) [and what my Dad retired as] to a Chief Master Sergeant (E9), apparently skipping over an entire pay grade.
And on a completely different note... several people have mentioned Mitchell's "special forces" training. Honestly, he was probably talking about SERE training. Which stands for Survival Evasion Resistance Escape training. Which many pilots in the Air Force take who operate in dangerous areas and are likely to be captured.

However for the many fans who have never served in the military or who weren't as knowledgeable about the military. Wouldn't have a clue as to what Mitchell was refering to if he had said... "Then I remembered my SERE training..."

So for the sake of the audiences I think they just made it "Special Forces" training... just so the audience would have a clue that he had been trained to navigate his away around.

AceYou may be on to something...but I have to admit, I think that's a bit sad. People can look stuff up on Google if they're not sure of it. There are online forums to discuss things like this. So why wouldn't they just say it like it is and be accurate rather than what is effect dumbing down the dialogue so that us poor fans can keep up?

But then they are the same folks who were concerned that we wouldn't be able to tell Michael and Ben apart. :rolleyes:

esoap524
August 12th, 2006, 03:24 PM
I liked the character interactions. I found it kind of odd that Sam seemed kind of excited to not have to spend time with Vala in their first scene and appeared to push Vala off on Teal'c (not that way). I was thinking they had seemed to get along pretty well last week. It seemed like the writers were going with the woman can't be friends thing. Like that Mitchell is uncomfortable around his boss and like his talk to Landry and I'm not saying a single other thing about the leadership thing. I loved what's his face (sorry, bad at names) telling Vala "amateurs coming through." And, although I couldn't quite enjoy the poker game because Daniel couldn't join in (I hope they have another episode with a fun happy time at the end that Daniel is a part of -and part of the whole group), I liked that there was that little bit between Sam and Teal'c, who I think need more time together to capitalize on their chemistry.

So, aside from really missing Daniel and wanting to cover my eyes part of the time, I liked it.

I thought that it was more that Carter was happy to not spend time at the cabin, "bonding", with the boss. But, eh, I guess you're right that she was all set to send Vala off with Teal'c. ;)

In spite of that, I still don't detect any hate or anything like "women can't be friends." ALL the characters are annoyed with Vala. Teal'c, if anything, seems to be the one who's most amused by her antics, or, at least, the one who's least bothered by them. Mitchell, Carter and Daniel all have varying degrees of "shut her up" towards Vala. I wouldn't expect hardly anything different from Carter just because she and Vala are both women. She's a disciplined officer and Vala is...not. For the record, I really like Vala AND Sam and appreciate each for who they are and the differences they bring to the table.

I REALLY think we need a buddy episode for Carter and Vala so each can get a deeper appreciation for the other's talents and abilities. I have no doubt that Vala respects Carter, and that Carter is grudgingly respectful of Vala's moxie and abilities to keep one step ahead of trouble but it'd be fun to see these two play off each other.

And, I'm with you on the Teal'c/Carter thing.


Back to likes: 'Loved Vala and Teal'c's interaction. I think one of the things that make it so good for me is complete lack of the normal 'Teal'c intimidation factor'. Vala isn't put off by his size or his silence or his serious demeanor as many others are. This man can cow others with a look but Vala just treats him like a giant teddy bear or something! LOL! And he lets her! I loved the briefing room scene where she actually slaps her hands on his arm in such a friendly, familiar way as she is talking. And the scene where he tackled her on the planet and she gives him her typical sassy retort about being flattered but they don't have time for it... Mitchell would have rolled his eyes and maybe even groaned. Teal'c just asked if she was injured – I think the two of them understand each other very well and I am looking forward to more such interaction between them.

Maj_Cliffhanger, I never thought of it that way but you're exactly right. Vala isn't put off by anything, least of all Teal'c's size and silence. More silence, more room for her to talk (the girl talks A LOT!). You may have also noticed the double-take they did right after he tackled her. They came face to face and kind of did the double take--I can't remember if it was BEFORE she made her comment or after.

I almost think Teal'c gets some jollies out of watching Vala drive everyone else a bit insane because it hardly seems to bother him much at all, yet he gets that sort of wry look on his face.

I actually think I like Vala more AWAY from Daniel than with him.

I guess I really liked this episode in a many different ways, all of which have been touched upon.

BTW, for Farscape fans...the creature reminded me of a bigger version of the "Brindasz Hound" that bit Crichton's leather clad backside in season 4's opener. Unleash the brindasz hound!

Ace
August 12th, 2006, 03:27 PM
Are you sure about him being a bird colonel? When we first see him in Touchstone, he's a Major. Then in Ascension (season 5), he's a Colonel, but I've presumed he was and still is a Lt. Colonel. In Zero Hour, Carter didn't treat him as a superior officer. Do we have a screen capture of him showing his rank? I've actually wondered this for a while about him.

I'm pretty sure... I don't have a screen capture of him off-hand! :D

In Zero Hour, Carter was technically in command of the mission. It was SG-1's mission and SG-3 was only there to back them up. I'm sure we could do some digging around and find some better evidence perhaps even a screen cap!


But then, I'm still trying to figure out how Walter went from a Master Sergeant (E7) [and what my Dad retired as] to a Chief Master Sergeant (E9), apparently skipping over an entire pay grade.

That is probably just TPTB wanting to make Walter important and a clear strong guest character from then on. Honestly though... they probably owed it to the guy, he didn't have a name for 9 years! But he was always around... :D



You may be on to something...but I have to admit, I think that's a bit sad. People can look stuff up on Google if they're not sure of it. There are online forums to discuss things like this. So why wouldn't they just say it like it is and be accurate rather than what is effect dumbing down the dialogue so that us poor fans can keep up?

But then they are the same folks who were concerned that we wouldn't be able to tell Michael and Ben apart. :rolleyes:

I can agree with you in that most people would simple Google the line... Lots of people did that when Sheppard mentioned Mensa for the first time.

However to play devil's advocate here... what if you weren't a huge fan of Stargate? Hard to believe I know... but what if you were only a casual viewer would you take the time to go and look up one particular line from early on in the episode?

Probably not... even more probably is that TPTB didn't want to go and look up SERE training and simply put in "Special Forces" and nobody bothered to look up what that would entail!

Ace

Sela
August 12th, 2006, 03:28 PM
A pretty good episode with Sam taking the lead as second in command of the SGC with Landry gone. She was great and I enjoyed watching her sitting at the head of the table.

Still annoyed with Vala shooting off her mouth at the wrong times and no one taking her to task about it. Really it's not all that cute. Time to try something different. I did like the way Teal'c ignored her when she talked nonesense. :tealc: And they gave her a gun? Oiy...

The scenes between Mitchell and Landry were pretty good when it came to how they were played although I was not crazy about the leadership talk. It's like the writers were trying to slip in the fact that Mitchell was in charge without really saying so because they didn't want to take the flack from some of the fans. They need to make a statement plain and simple and deal with whatever fan fallout that comes. It's really annoying for them to drag this thing out. One of the two of them has got to be in charge. This sharing the leadership thing is a crock and it definately wouldn't fly in any branch of the military.

One last thing, how many people were uncomfortable with the fact that Daniel is gone during a SG-1 team-building weekend? Is he part of the team or not? Him not being there for whatever reason felt very wrong. Another thing that felt wrong was Vala being part of an SG-1 team-building weekend as she is officially not part of SG-1. It feels like another one of those things that the writers are trying to slip in on us through the backdoor and honestly, it ticked me off a bit. At least they went ahead and made bith Teal'c and Jonas official team members. I may not like it, but if they're going to treat her like an SG-team member, than put her under someone's authority so they can deal with her.

jckfan55
August 12th, 2006, 03:36 PM
I thought that it was more that Carter was happy to not spend time at the cabin, "bonding", with the boss. But, eh, I guess you're right that she was all set to send Vala off with Teal'c. ;)

In spite of that, I still don't detect any hate or anything like "women can't be friends." ALL the characters are annoyed with Vala. Teal'c, if anything, seems to be the one who's most amused by her antics, or, at least, the one who's least bothered by them. Mitchell, Carter and Daniel all have varying degrees of "shut her up" towards Vala. I wouldn't expect hardly anything different from Carter just because she and Vala are both women. She's a disciplined officer and Vala is...not. For the record, I really like Vala AND Sam and appreciate each for who they are and the differences they bring to the table.

I REALLY think we need a buddy episode for Carter and Vala so each can get a deeper appreciation for the other's talents and abilities. I have no doubt that Vala respects Carter, and that Carter is grudgingly respectful of Vala's moxie and abilities to keep one step ahead of trouble but it'd be fun to see these two play off each other.

And, I'm with you on the Teal'c/Carter thing.

I like that in her own way, like Teal'c, Sam doesn't let Vala get to her and really Vala is pretty toned down around Carter. I think you're right, that she respects Carter.
I thought there was a bit too much time spent on Landry & Mitchell, but I did like that acknowledgement that Cam came to *learn* from SG1 as he said in his first appearance.
I liked that this episode was not part of the whole Ori arc--I like stand alone episodes mixed in--but that it did acknowledge the past. I just wish we'd get a conversation between Vala and Sam about Jolinar & using gouald tech or something. Or really any actual conversation between those 2. I've read that they had one but it got cut. :(

caskin
August 12th, 2006, 03:43 PM
Coming from someone who used to be an avid hunter...(I'm not anymore) Most hunters don't wear those vests because though it may make other hunters aware of your presence, it makes animals aware of your presence too. Seeing how most animals are either startled by bright colors or have their attention drawn to them, or in this case a mutant, it doesn't help you much in keeping yourself concealed from your quarey. It draws attention to your presence. I don't know about you but i don't want to make it easier for a mutant to see me in the woods.

True, it all depends on what kind of beast the creature used to be. Elk and Deer are colorblind, and thus won't see the bright color because it just melds in with everything else. Some animals, like wild turkeys for example, see color so wearing orange while hunting them would be a bad idea.
Colorado law states you need orange on your head, and I forget how much, but something like 20 square inches of visible day-glow orange on your body while elk hunting. Camo orange isn't allowed either.
But these guys weren't elk hunting so they were probably fine. But when the first hunter showed up asking mitchell for help I was kinda like... eh... orange?

It looked like a mutant bear to me, can bears see color? Goodness, I forget.

caskin
August 12th, 2006, 03:46 PM
I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but I'm pretty sure that the "scanners" that they were using at the end of the episode were actually PSP's.

Yes! They were! I didn't notice it at first and it had to be pointed out to me, but we all thought that was very funny. :D Good catch!

Oh yes and... Hooray Beer!

ShardsofGlass
August 12th, 2006, 04:12 PM
Where in the world are people getting that this episode solidified co-command with Cam and Carter? I thought just the opposite, that Landry was saying that Sg-1 was Mitchell's team and he had to deal with them since that's the team he wanted and brought back together. Carter wasn't even brought up.

DEM
August 12th, 2006, 04:35 PM
MITCHELL: I'm just used to a clearer chain of command.

LANDRY: You could have picked any team you wanted. You chose to make it your personal mission to get Colonel Carter, Doctor Jackson, and Teal'c back together.

shaqarava
August 12th, 2006, 04:39 PM
I couldn't stop laughing at the way they just plop down to the ground. No twitching, no flab jiggling about when they hit the ground, they just went down like a boulder.

e-dog
August 12th, 2006, 04:43 PM
Quick question about the epi. What was the name of the people who created the cloaking technology? Every time someone mentioned the name, it sounded different to me!

I'm really curious as to how it's really pronounced. :confused:

Uber
August 12th, 2006, 04:46 PM
Quick question about the epi. What was the name of the people who created the cloaking technology? Every time someone mentioned the name, it sounded different to me!

I'm really curious as to how it's really pronounced. :confused:Do you mean the Sodan?

Daniel's_twin
August 12th, 2006, 04:48 PM
Quick question about the epi. What was the name of the people who created the cloaking technology? Every time someone mentioned the name, it sounded different to me!

I'm really curious as to how it's really pronounced. :confused:

Well, they have several names. Alterans, Lanteans, we mostly call them the Ancients. :lol: (ok, not funny).

The people you're thinking of didn't make the cloaking technology, they just employed it. And their name is the Sodan (pronounced So-dan, just the way it looks). :cool:

Shipperahoy
August 12th, 2006, 05:06 PM
I've really enjoyed this season so far and this episode has continued the winning streak for me. I have a few minor nitpicks but overall it was a great character episode. It's the first time that we really got to see anything from Landy other than him being the general and him and Mitchell were great together. I LOVED LOVED LOVED seeing Sam in command at the SGC and I'd like to see it again. Soon. The poker game at the end was fantastic though it wasn't quite whole without Daniel there. His abscence is glaring. I know he's taking time off for personal reasons and that's wonderful for him but the show is missing something without him there. Vala has grown on me this season and I'm really starting to grow to like her character quite a bit but the arrogant, greedy, opportunistic, gung ho Vala gets old really quickly. It's fine in small doses but she's really been building some character and I hope that they don't back track to early season 9 Vala.

Maj_Cliffhanger
August 12th, 2006, 05:52 PM
Just a little FYI type of post. After watching the scene between Mitchell and Landry talking about the 'whistling duck' I was left wondering if Landry was having a go at Mitchell with a fictional animal - you know like a 'snipe', 'jack-o-lope' or a 'white-bellied snow snake'. So I had to google it. Cool! The 'fulvus whistling duck' is real! Um... but Landry might have still be having a go at Mitchell. It's not that rare (population is listed as stable) and it's breeding grounds in the US are along the gulf coast and one small area of southern California. Year round habitate is in tropical regions so... Yeah! It would definitely be rare in Colorado! (Though it has been rarely sighted as far north as BC and Nova Scotia)

Okay, TMI - I'm geeky. Shutting up now.

e-dog
August 12th, 2006, 06:05 PM
Well, they have several names. Alterans, Lanteans, we mostly call them the Ancients. :lol: (ok, not funny).

The people you're thinking of didn't make the cloaking technology, they just employed it. And their name is the Sodan (pronounced So-dan, just the way it looks). :cool:

That's it! So they just employed it. Got it. Thanks!

betjam
August 12th, 2006, 06:08 PM
Just a little FYI type of post. After watching the scene between Mitchell and Landry talking about the 'whistling duck' I was left wondering if Landry was having a go at Mitchell with a fictional animal - you know like a 'snipe', 'jack-o-lope' or a 'white-bellied snow snake'. So I had to google it. Cool! The 'fulvus whistling duck' is real! Um... but Landry might have still be having a go at Mitchell. It's not that rare (population is listed as stable) and it's breeding grounds in the US are along the gulf coast and one small area of southern California. Year round habitate is in tropical regions so... Yeah! It would definitely be rare in Colorado! (Though it has been rarely sighted as far north as BC and Nova Scotia)

Okay, TMI - I'm geeky. Shutting up now.

You just beat me here! My husband is an avid birdwatcher and as soon as they said the fulvous whistling duck, he said, "They're not found there!" Neither CO nor MN depending on where we are in that discussion. But hubby said it was so nice to see birdwatching in Stargate.

We enjoyed ep. But I must admit we laughed way too loud when that beast took out the guy at the truck. It seemed very Monty Pythonish. I think it was meant to be Stargate SG-1 hidden humor, like, it's there, but they don't put it up front.

-Jules-
August 12th, 2006, 06:51 PM
I didn't have time to read all the posts for this episode, but did anyone else REALLY not enjoy this ep? IMO, I think it was one of the worst eps they've done. I enjoyed the end, but I felt they seemed to push it a little too hard. I think Landry needs to lighten up a bit. I mean... he keeps telling Cam to relax, but I think the Gen's the one who could use a chill pill. I know that was meant as some of the humor, but really... come on. ;)
I also really hate cheesey animal stories.... :o

Anywho! That's just my oppinion. Wonderin if anyone else felt the same. :)

Things I've learned from Uninvited:

1. I'm never going camping again... lol

2. Cam needs to take up a hobbie

3. Either Poker is a universal game or Vala learns REALLY fast! :p

4. Sam's not much of a gambler, but can be pretty competitive

I'm Just Sayin'
August 12th, 2006, 07:36 PM
I didn't have time to read all the posts for this episode, but did anyone else REALLY not enjoy this ep?

I didn't like it either. I actually find Landry/Mitchell scenes extremely boring. I agree there were a couple funny moments but overall the ep seemed forced. And not having Jack's cabin in Minnesota *really* bothers me. Not sure exactly why really, it seems like such a small detail, but it does.

-Major Woody
August 12th, 2006, 07:43 PM
Who is that new doc? I've just seen that actor in something else, but I can't place her. It's bugging me.
She's played by Keegan Connor Tracy. She appeared in several episodes of Jake 2.0 and The 4400, but she is probably most famous for being the woman who was impailed in the head by a PVC pipe in Final Destination 2.

DEM
August 12th, 2006, 08:02 PM
She's played by Keegan Connor Tracy.Ah, yes, thank you, Major Woody! Dang that PVC pipe: I had such hopes.... *smirk* say, do you suppose that's why the sherriff's death reminded me of "the bus"? :sokaranime02:

Say, she's much older than I thought (35).

Zoser
August 12th, 2006, 09:59 PM
I didn't like it either. I actually find Landry/Mitchell scenes extremely boring. I agree there were a couple funny moments but overall the ep seemed forced. And not having Jack's cabin in Minnesota *really* bothers me. Not sure exactly why really, it seems like such a small detail, but it does.
Me neither.
Rehire the continuity lady!! Fire Landry, Mitchell and Vala. And go find someone who can write an interesting cohesive story. Beg RDA to come back
And the creature reminded of one of my favorite Ghostbusters line "Who brought the dog?"

Melora
August 12th, 2006, 10:37 PM
Jack's MN cabin was established at least as far back as Season Four.

As for your rationalisations: Why would a sheriff's vehicle have out of state plates? :confused: Why would Landry and SG-1 all drive separately the 13+ hours from Colorado Springs to MN? In any case, they did state that it was Silver Springs, CO.

I didn't catch any of the info about the cabin the first time around, so I rewatched the episode tonight. This info is just to clear some things up and is by no means an excuse for some of the plot holes in the ep.

Sam refers to the town near the cabin as "Silver Creek" a couple of times. There are two different towns in Minnesota named Silver Creek. One is located in Lake County and is in Northern Minnesota near a state forest. This is probably the one refered to in the ep., since Jack said one time that his cabin was in northern Minnesota. The other is located near St. Cloud in south-central Minnesota and is near a state park. In addition, the badge on the sheriff's shoulder said, "Silver Creek County Sheriff." Needless to say, there is no Silver Creek County in either Minnesota or Colorado.

I have no idea about "Silver Springs" and where that came from. I couldn't find a town named that in either Colorado or Minnesota on the map and it wasn't even mentioned in the episode. There is a city named that in Maryland, however. I also didn't catch any direct references in the episode to the cabin being in Colorado. Then again I could have missed it.

IMHO, the license plate was clearly a continuity error. Maybe the prop department didn't have a Minnesota license plate handy and didn't think anyone would catch it. Or maybe they weren't informed that the cabin was supposed to be in Minnesota. Glitches like that sometimes happen, esp. when there is not enough communication or oversight between the different branches of production.

As for the distance thing - I agree. It is ridiculous to think that everyone would drive that long to go to a weekend 'bonding' retreat at a cabin, esp. when there are plenty of good places for that type of thing in Colorado. But, having examined most of the evidence, I think the writer clearly meant for the cabin to be Jack's cabin in Minnesota and not a cabin in Colorado.

Watt
August 12th, 2006, 11:49 PM
Just had a look at this Ep.
Military wise yet again out the window for reality sake (sorry people)
The day my CO (General) asks me to come and fraternise with him in a log cabin is the day I check into hostipal with some horrible imaginary illness to avoid that !
This isn't a love in or one of those lets all feel good together healing camps this is supposedly the military. I don't know whats going on with their military advisor if they have one but someone needs a kick up da bum. BTW Can anyone else tell that Cam did not want to be there alone with the General?

Real world you compromise your security clearance as Agent Barret did, brainwashed or not, your OUT, do not pass go, do not collect 200 bucks, your history plain and simple. This guy should be in a mental institute or in jail.

Cam and the chain of command ..SIGH. In the end someone has to make the final decisions thats the military way and having co command is a pile of S### not to mention the fact that it can lead to confusion of both commanders issue conflicting orders. This really needs to be definetly sorted out.

Sam did ok in temp charge of the SGC but there weren't any really difficult decisions for her to make so no huge suprise that things went smoothly for her. I think Sam tolerates Vala and thats putting it nicely.

Vala is coming to a end of her grace period in the SGC with doing her own thing and I reckon that someone will snap her into line soon, the other military guys from one of the SG teams already blew her off when she wanted a hole dug also the comment "amatures coming through" made me laff but the interaction with the team members she has is growing on me.
I am hoping when Daniel comes back that he treats her differently than the manhandling and stuff I made comment on before. I liked how Cam just looked at her to shut her up when she was trying to take control of the briefing.

Tealc jumping on top of Vala and her comeback was kinda funny but I am hoping not to see too much of that body contact stuff it grew boring in farscape lets not bring that into SG1 puhlease. Basically it's been done already.
Tealc. Well what can you say about tealc but silent and deadly :) Nice shot with zatting the worm.
Average show with predictable ending

PegasusPrincess
August 12th, 2006, 11:59 PM
I didn't like it either. I actually find Landry/Mitchell scenes extremely boring. I agree there were a couple funny moments but overall the ep seemed forced. And not having Jack's cabin in Minnesota *really* bothers me. Not sure exactly why really, it seems like such a small detail, but it does.

Agree, agree, agree. This episode was really disappointing - the only thing holding it up was the few one liners.
To me, this was like someone trying to write a Sci-fi episode, Seinfeld style - "a show (or in this case episode) about nothing"
Total filler ep. Yawn.

the fifth man
August 13th, 2006, 12:49 AM
I've watched this episode a couple times now. And IMO, it gets better and better with each viewing.:) The interactions between the team members in this one was great. It was a real bonding-type episode. For me, the ep wasn't supposed to be so much about the monster itself. It was supposed to be about how they all dealt with the situation.

DEM
August 13th, 2006, 01:59 AM
Carter couldn't go to the cabin until Reynolds was back from off-world. So who exactly was in charge at the SGC when Landry, Carter, and Reynolds were hunting the beast in Minnesota?

The Top Ten Most Likely Candidates for Running The SGC In the Absence of High-Ranking Officers

10. Walter

9. Elves

8. Nanite-enhanced Mice

7. The Foothold Aliens

6. The Tooth Faerie

5. Partially Descended Replicator-Alteran Hybrid Clones of Asgard Design

4. Cam's Grandma

3. Wingéd Monkeys

2. The Ghost of Major Janet Fraiser, MD (dec.)


... and the #1 Most Likely Candidate for Running The SGC In the Absence of High-Ranking Officers


THE FURLING!!

Piratejenna
August 13th, 2006, 06:04 AM
As a lot of people have already said - the plot for Uninvited is basically irrelevant to the big SG-1 picture. What makes this episode thoroughly enjoyable is the character interactions, and in particular the fact we get not just one but three permutations which had previously been fairly sketchy - Teal'c/Vala, Landry/Cam and Sam/Vala. Of these, the dynamic between Teal'c and Vala leaps off the screen and is a wonderfully organic extension of those little moments we've seen creeping in whenever the actors have the opportunity ('Give it a try Muscles', the arm wrestling, etc). It makes sense to me that Vala would feel comfortable around Teal'c - not only because they are both aliens but also because at some level in her ex-host sub-conscious, it seems likely that she still thinks of the Jaffa as her protectors. The pairing works as a classic contrast between world-views and values. It is also a relationship which plays to Teal'c's strengths as a character. It's difficult for the writers to keep Teal'c in character without wallpapering him - he's the strong silent one in the background. CJ has turned that into an asset by his wonderful non-verbal Teal'c-ish expressions, but non-verbal only works if there's another character to play against. Vala is the perfect foil by buzzing around him, playing with him, and generally doing things that would be completely inappropriate for other characters. CB is also a strong non-verbal actor who can make standing in the backgound into something intriguing and entertaining, so you have the perfect mix - instead of being wallpaper, whenever Vala is around Teal'c is very much in the scene. And when they actually get an opportunity to talk - or, as in this case, have a 'proximity alert '- there's a real energy on the screen.

It was nice to see Sam in command on the base, and her interaction with Vala worked well. I know AT has said that she and CB don't want Sam and Vala to have an adversarial cat-fight relationship, and I agree with that, but I think it's right that the process should take time. I don't want to see them become improbable best buddies over night. So the slight edge between them in the briefing room felt right: they're both still feeling the relationship out. I hope they keep that edge whilst developing a sense of understanding. One thing I wish for Sam, though, is that someone would just whisper in AT's ear when the technobabble exposition scene begins: 'Remember that Sam loves this stuff'. Because one of the things that kept the science exposition alive in the early seasons was the fact Sam was so completely into the subject - no matter how big the crisis or disasterous the news she was relaying, there was always a part of her which was enjoying the challenge. In the later seasons, she seems to have lost that. I think AT's fallen into the trap (partly because the producers keep saying how boring the exposition scenes are?) of treating them as a necessary evil to move the plot along - and to be honest, it's kind of dull and saps the energy out of the scene. I think she needs to remind herself that the Science Exposition Scene is a big character moment for Sam, just as much as an Ancient Archaeology Exposition scene is for Daniel. It's quite noticable in season 10 that when Daniel hits an exposition scene he really comes alive, whereas Sam feels very business-like and perfunctory. Maybe that's a character choice by AT, but I can't believe that someone like Sam would ever lose the inner sense of 'This is Soooo Cool' when she finds some new piece of science to play with.

I liked the Landry/Cam side of the story, although I felt there was maybe one scene too many - it reached the point where cutting back to them was distracting me from the more exciting stuff going on elsewhere with the rest of the team. I appreciated the fact that they were prepared to play the uncomfortableness. SG-1 tended to be a bit cosy in later seasons - very much a well-balanced family, whereas the 'new' team is more dysfunctional and edgy and has the potential for growing together.

I like the fact that the team are still wary of listening to Vala - it shouldn't be too easy for her. On the other hand, it is important that Vala does get a chance to show her abilities and experience, partly because that's supposed to be why she's there. but also because she has an interesting and complcated back-story which brings new elements into the mix. I think they got the balance right in Uninvited but the writiers need to be careful. In Uninvited, the fact the team ignored Val's expertise in favor of their own plan played well because CB sold it - by making Vala so cocky and annoying, it justifies the team's reaction. But just as there's a danger in writing Sam as a character who can do no wrong (even when she does something debateable, as in Insiders) there's also a danger in writing Vala as a character who is never allowed to be right, even when she is. I don't want to see Vala as SuperVala who saves the day any more than I want to see SuperMitchell or SuperSam - I think the best solutions are always those where the team wins by working together as a team, but there is going to reach a point where it becomes stupid for the team to keep ignoring Vala's suggestions.

Although the plot is, as I said at the beginning, basically irrelevant, one important thing did emerge which I was glad to see. The writers carefully and quite deliberately disposed of a Widget of Infinite Plot Convenience. A WIPC is a device which turns up in one episode because it seems like a good idea at the time, but then has endless ramifications because it is so freaking useful it takes all the ingenuity out of story-telling. (In other shows, such as Farscape s.4, it's Alien Power of Infinite Plot Convenience, but the general idea is the same). The Sodan invisibility cloak is one such device - if you need to sneak, infiltrate or escape, just whip out the Amazing WIPC and all your problems are solved! The disadvantage being, of course, that such widget-based solutions are boring, repetitive, and do away with other more dramatically satisfying methods, such as wit, courage, teamwork, human ingenuity and good writing. The writers are free to write our heroes into six Impossible Problems Before Breakfast and with the WIPC at their disposal, can pluck them out of danger and home in time for a light lunch without breaking imaginative sweat. So the fact that the cloaking device can now only be used at the expense of either radiation-sickness or the Monster-From-Another-Dimension strikes me as being an altogether Good Thing. Now, if only the writer would similarly dispose of the Ultimate WIPC - the Asgard beaming device.

One reservation I have here - I'm starting to feel that season 10 has a real lack of momentum. By episode 5 of season 9, the show was rollicking along through strong arc-based stories (although it then went into a slump in mid-season). We'd also had some major character-development and angst. Of the first 5 episodes of season 10, although the arc is there is the background, 3 are mostly filler. Next week is 200 and that is what it is, but I'll be glad when it's out of the way because I feel like they're marking time until we get there. I want to see the big story unfolding. I want angst. I want some epic meaning-of-life stuff! So far, although I've enjoyed each episode of s.10 very much, when I put them together in my mind, they don't fit together as a particularly satisfying whole.

DEM
August 13th, 2006, 06:22 AM
I think AT's fallen into the trap (partly because the producers keep saying how boring the exposition scenes are?) of treating them as a necessary evil to move the plot along - and to be honest, it's kind of dull and saps the energy out of the scene.Or partly because the first couple of episodes after AT returned in S9 they scripted many other characters -- including Daniel -- to roll their eyes or otherwise pull faces during Carter's science talks? I wouldn't think that would help an actor find her rhythm in a radically changed environment.

Enjoyable read, Piratejenna.


As for the distance thing - I agree. It is ridiculous to think that everyone would drive that long to go to a weekend 'bonding' retreat at a cabin, esp. when there are plenty of good places for that type of thing in Colorado. But, having examined most of the evidence, I think the writer clearly meant for the cabin to be Jack's cabin in Minnesota and not a cabin in Colorado.Thank you, Melora. MN is even sillier, IMO. Especially in the midst of all the "Ori are coming! Ori are coming!" stuff the characters keep telling us. Teal'c used 'ironic' in a sentence, and this was definitely the ep for it.

btw, did you determine why the lake dried up? :p ;)

keshou
August 13th, 2006, 07:22 AM
The actual plot of the episode wasn't that fascinating - your basic creature of the week episode. Kind slow-moving one at that. The writers did a good job of tying in elements from previous episodes (the Sodan cloaking device) but I wish they hadn't given it away with the "previously on Stargate" intro.

But as others have said - this episode was mostly about the characters so I'll just comment on those.

Mitchell / Landry. This was my favorite dynamic in the episode. Landry has been hit or miss for me but he really was a big "hit" in this one. Mitchell upped his cool quotient just by showing up in his leather jacket and vintage black Mustang. ;) Their conversation about leadership was a long time coming but I found it interesting to see the writers trying to answer all the fanwank. So it appears Mitchell isn't really team leader so much as team wrangler - in charge of "keeping the band together". Like George Martin and the Beatles I guess. :) Or at least that's what I got out of it. Whatever it is, I'm liking this Mitchell quite a bit. And Landry and his duck call were probably the highlight of the episode. :)

Teal'c/Vala. Again, this dynamic really works for me. Vala doesn't phase Teal'c in the slightest (at least not since that "muscles" comment stopped him in his tracks back in Avalon) and I enjoy their interaction a lot.

Sam/Vala. Hmmm.....interesting pairing. I get the impression Sam doesn't really know what to make of Vala being part of the team and she thinks Vala is a nuisance and best kept on a leash. Not surprising since Sam is a "by the book" military officer and Vala is.....not. :o I'm not quite sure where they will go with these two - can't really see them becoming bosom buddies but I'd like to see them both come to appreciate what the other has to offer. Sam and Vala trapped together behind enemy lines for an episode might do it. :)

Sam/Tealc. Not much time together but what they had was gold. The bluff at the poker table really helped remind the viewers of the easy, comfortable relationship these two have. None of the uneasiness that I sense between Sam/Mitchell and Sam/Vala

Sam And speaking of Sam, it was nice to see those moments when she was in charge at the SGC. Felt very natural. I agree with PirateJenna however - and I hadn't put my finger on it until I read her post - that Sam seems to just be going thru the motions with some of the science tehcnobabble this season. Perhaps it is just the writers/directors telling AT to spit it out as soon as possible so they can move on to the more exciting stuff.

Vala. I think Vala brings some much-needed energy to the show. However, she needs to be "matured" in such a way that she's not just someone that the other team members alternately ignore, roll their eyes at or move out of the way. That's going to get old fast. I hope returning to the main story arc of the season will probably help move her character along.

Reynolds. I like Reynolds. And he gets a special mention as having the funniest line of the episode......"amateur coming thru". :)

Daniel. Good episode for him to be gone.....at least until the poker game at the end. That was a great moment for some much-needed team bonding and I missed him there. We get so few of those scenes. :o

I gave this episode a (barely) 6 on the "gate-o-meter" scale. Not a particularly compelling story (and they're clearly saving their CGI budget for other episodes) but it had some nice character moments, particularly for Mitchell and Landry.

Next week....episode "200". I think this could be a real hoot after seeing some of the pics. :D :D

Maxum
August 13th, 2006, 09:09 AM
I thought the episode was fun. Not great, but fun, and that's okay too.

I enjoy non-offworld episodes when the center they story around the characters, and they did that in this episode. It was much more about the characters than just chasing down a hairy beast.

I thoroughly enjoyed the Mitchell/Landry scenes because it was a way for Mitchell to discuss his "issues" with SG-1 without making the team feel awkward or uncomfortable. I was also happy that it was stated that Mitchell can tell that he needs SG-1 more than they need him. That's very realistic. Mitchell has not been on off-world missions the way SG-1 has been; he has not, to my knowledge, had anywhere the experience of alien interactions and dangers off-world that SG-1 has experienced. In that way, he DOES need to learn from them. I think Mitchell can help bring the "wonderment" of gate travel that Carter first brought to the series. She was awed by what she was doing and seeing, and I see that now in Mitchell. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a "seasoned" gate traveler. Mitchell was endearing and enjoyable, and I always liked Landry.

Teal'c and Sam were great, and it was nice to see them interact on a far more relaxed and personal level. Usually, they are dodging bullets and danger, which they were in this episode too, but they were also able to laugh and joke. I don't recall seeing too much of that with JUST them. Very nice.

I still love Vala, and while I agree that it wouldn't be bad to tone her down a little, I'm afraid if the writers do that, then Vala will seem to much like a member of the team. I don't think I want Vala as a "comfortable" member of the team. She should always have a bit of an "outsider" quality about her. She doesn't mix well in a military unit, and in order to stay true to her character, she shouldn't. SG-1 SHOULD be exasperated and annoyed by her, but also begrudgingly respectful of her experience and knowledge.

Lastly, I sorely missed Daniel in this episode. I can accept one episode without him in it, but not two back-to-back. I find that Daniel levels out the playing field when I watch SG-1. He can tone down Vala, and he generally "introduces" the human element to a story, rather than just the military or scientific aspect of it. I don't like when main characters are missing, for whatever reason.

Overall 8/10

Oka
August 13th, 2006, 10:14 AM
I really liked this episode. Yes, the story with the cloaking devices and mutated animals was kind of ridiculous but the interaction between the mitchell/landy sam/vala/telc was hilarious. It felt kind of like a filler ep; no impressive special effects, no spaceships, it didn't really touch the Ori story arc but I was still satisfied with it beacuse of the humor =)

It's funny how the Atlantis episode had amazing special effects yet I still didn't enjoy it as much because the cast on SG-1 is 10 times better than the one on SGA.

jckfan55
August 13th, 2006, 11:36 AM
One thing I wish for Sam, though, is that someone would just whisper in AT's ear when the technobabble exposition scene begins: 'Remember that Sam loves this stuff'. Because one of the things that kept the science exposition alive in the early seasons was the fact Sam was so completely into the subject - no matter how big the crisis or disasterous the news she was relaying, there was always a part of her which was enjoying the challenge. In the later seasons, she seems to have lost that. I think AT's fallen into the trap (partly because the producers keep saying how boring the exposition scenes are?) of treating them as a necessary evil to move the plot along -
I don't really agree that AT has lost "science Sam," though at times she seems a bit more subdued-- but I do like what you say about the producers/directors always sort of apologizing for those scenes. Everything can't be an explosion, people. Briefing room and science scenes are NOT boring, they are important to the story. And they've always had a cast that keeps your interest. AT (and RDA) could read the phone book and keep my interest. :D I thought they managed the explanation about the worms being out of phase & the Sodan tech really well. Sam had to explain it to the new scientist, but they didn't dumb her (Dr. Redden?) down in order to do it. And I thought Sam had a bit of the old sparkle when she figured out what was going on.

Edit: And I agree w/ DEM that the eye rolling we saw in S9 has to be off putting for the character (and perhaps the actor).

Chi27
August 13th, 2006, 11:39 AM
I loved Ben and Beau together. They work very well together. I laughed so much with them. How Ben kept a straight face when Beau did the bird call I will never know. I loved watching them interact with each other. It went so well.

Loved Landry telling Mitchell he depended on him to keep the team together and safe. That is pretty much telling us who the leader is. Loved when Mitchell told Landry he gets antsy sitting around.

The story itself with the mutants was stupid but I enjoyed the Mitchell/Landry part.

Sybil

I loved their interaction as well. I couldn't help but laugh when Cam was trying to "escape" only to learn that the road out was washed out and so he's stuck there with Landry. :D

[SGC_ReplicÅtors]
August 13th, 2006, 11:47 AM
I like the part when Vala sat in the Big seat...As for that mutate creature on p3...something something something....i wanted to see that creature before it was mutated it looked like a Lemur...

Also i like the aprt when Vala went for help and heard growling and said something about dessert lol...wasnt the best tho i gave it a 7 on the gate o meter...

good episode

Maj_Cliffhanger
August 13th, 2006, 12:00 PM
Originally Posted by Maj_Cliffhanger
Correct me if I'm wrong, Reynolds is a Major, right? Well, uh, er... what the heck ever happened to the full bird colonels in this command? That rank seems to have vanished from the SGC! I don't care how good SG-1is, a full bird colonel should still be second in command and out rank both Sam and Cam.

Originally Posted by Ace
Actually.... Reynolds is a full bird colonel! Has been for a couple of years now. At least from Season 7 as he called Jack by his first name in Lost City... but even then I'm sure he was probably a full colonel at the beginning of Season 7 when he found Daniel roaming around on that planet.

Okay, I spent some time yesterday reviewing screencaps and transcripts and character bios... The man never wears an insignia! Ugh! Transcipts showed that he was called 'Colonel' a couple of times but as it is convention to address a Lt. Col. as simply 'Colonel' I didn't find that particularly telling. And then, this morning - I finally found the proof I needed.


http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/Maj_Cliffhanger/ascension1a.jpg

You're right, Ace. He's been a ful Colonel since season five, episode 3, Ascension. Makes sense then that he'd be second in command at the SGC. I'd like to see him in that role a bit more. Durring the talk with Sam, Vala, and Teal'c in Uninvited he allowed Sam to remain in command, she directed the the conversation and in the end gave the orders. He may have been able to countermand her, but what we saw was him deferring to her and not the other way around. JMHO!

Ace
August 13th, 2006, 12:24 PM
You're right, Ace. He's been a ful Colonel since season five, episode 3, Ascension. Makes sense then that he'd be second in command at the SGC. I'd like to see him in that role a bit more. Durring the talk with Sam, Vala, and Teal'c in Uninvited he allowed Sam to remain in command, she directed the the conversation and in the end gave the orders. He may have been able to countermand her, but what we saw was him deferring to her and not the other way around. JMHO!

As much as I'd like to celebrate... it doesn't make any sense. I rewatched all of my DVD's with Reynolds in it and he does not wear any insignia!

But in Season 2's Touchstone he was a Major... Let's assume for the sake of the argument that he was promoted to Lieutenant Colonel immediately after the episode.

Well it usually takes a person roughly 5 years to be promoted from Lt. Colonel to a full bird. Which would mean that he was probably a Lt. Colonel from right after Touchstone to probably Season 7's Fallen. Afterward he could be a full bird at any time.

Unfortunately the picture indicates that he as been a full bird since Season 5. Meaning that he was a Lt. Colonel for only 3 years... I suppose it might be possible though highly unlikely...

Either way though... he is most likely a full Bird Colonel!

Ace

MediaSavant
August 13th, 2006, 12:27 PM
Checking in late because I was on vacation...

I enjoyed this much more than last week's episode. It wasn't an ambitious episode from a plot POV, but I think I really like that the more "character-driven" nature of it. The episode exposed a lot of the relationships between the various characters and explored them a bit. I think it was long overdue.

Mitchell82
August 13th, 2006, 01:09 PM
I enjoyed this ep alot It was a great ep IMO. I liked last weeks too. So far season 10 has gotten better each week!

valaCB
August 13th, 2006, 01:53 PM
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Also i like the aprt when Vala went for help and heard growling and said something about dessert lol...wasnt the best tho i gave it a 7 on the gate o meter...

good episode
Have to see that part again, Can't remember that.

Piratejenna
August 13th, 2006, 02:11 PM
I don't really agree that AT has lost "science Sam," though at times she seems a bit more subdued-- but I do like what you say about the producers/directors always sort of apologizing for those scenes. Everything can't be an explosion, people. Briefing room and science scenes are NOT boring, they are important to the story. And they've always had a cast that keeps your interest. AT (and RDA) could read the phone book and keep my interest. :D I thought they managed the explanation about the worms being out of phase & the Sodan tech really well. Sam had to explain it to the new scientist, but they didn't dumb her (Dr. Redden?) down in order to do it. And I thought Sam had a bit of the old sparkle when she figured out what was going on.

Edit: And I agree w/ DEM that the eye rolling we saw in S9 has to be off putting for the character (and perhaps the actor).

I totally agree with you about the importance of the briefing room scenes - it really frustrates me when I hear directors complaining in the commentaries that it's so hard to do anything new and interesting, because that seems to be missing the point. These exposition scenes are about character interaction so they're a chance to let the acting, both verbal and non-verbal, shine: the camera's job is simply to highlight those dynamics whilst making sure the plot unfolds clearly.

I thought the explanation of the out-of-phase worm was fine to progress the plot, but lacked a bit of spark. I don't entirely agree about the 'eye-rolling' in season 9 - you both have a point, but in terms of the character it could be a good thing if she is put off: it makes her more human. It's important that each character in the scene has an individual point of view towards the exposition - jazzed, confused, puzzled, bored, impatient, whatever. In some cases, a character might be behaving quite in character to roll their eyes when Sam's on a technobabblathon (in fact Jack used to do it, or send out other signs of boredom or impatience, quite a lot!). And Sam could be oblivious to those reactions, or become slowly aware of them and become defensive, or annoyed, or amused. Either way, that then tells us more about Sam's state of mind. Action and reaction, that's what character dynamics are all about. I don't want everyone sitting around listening to Sam with rapt attention because that's just boring and one-sided - all the focus is on the speaker when we also need to get a sense of what the listeners are thinking. I like the range of reactions we see to Daniel in Morpheus, where there's respect and appreciation for his knowledge and enthusiasm, but also amusement and a bit of impatience. But if Sam just delivers the science in a neutral way, there's not a lot for the other actors to bounce off so what we tend to get is respectful silence (apart from Vala - CB has the advantage that she hasn't spent 10 years sitting in briefing room scenes and hasn't yet learnt that they're supposed to be boring!).

DEM
August 13th, 2006, 02:37 PM
I thought the explanation of the out-of-phase worm was fine to progress the plot, but lacked a bit of spark. I don't entirely agree about the 'eye-rolling' in season 9 - you both have a point, but in terms of the character it could be a good thing if she is put off: it makes her more human.jckfan55 and I were not saying the same thing, exactly. Personally, I am (and have been for awhile) trying to figure out why AT's Carter seems 'off' or discombobulated or something. My post above was meant to convey the idea that: 1) it's not implausible that coming back from leave to a show with the exact same name but radically changed interpersonal dynamics amongst the actors could be very difficult, and 2) having three prominent characters welcome your character's first scenes with impatience, eye-rolling, or as if they were looking at a Martian with Asperger's in not one but at least two episodes can't have helped that adjustment process. Landry & Mitchell, ooookay; but Daniel Jackson?! WTH?! I don't want to appear to be speculating too far into behind-the-scenes dynamics, because I know some get antsy about that, but it did strike me that MS's remarks about the changes in S9-10 mirrored Daniel's surprising "I know, I know; just grin and bear it" beats in those early eps.

S10 is a slightly different issue. Ironically, Carter's place in SG-1 seems to be becoming more unclear this year than last. Most importantly, this haziness or ambiguity is all subtextual. Whereas at least in the past there were actual lines for AT to play, now there's just some weird undercurrent... or sumpin. All of the character dynamics are a bit of a mess right now, but I think Carter, as a character, is the one most affected by the cast changes. IMO, of course.

Anyway, I've posted about this topic in more (or different) detail in another thread.

Michelle05
August 13th, 2006, 03:41 PM
I found the plot of this one hard to make sense of or care too much about, and the "creature" looked really cheesy IMO, but the character interactions were all really good. I loved: how Landry likes to mess with Mitchell's head, their leadership discussion and Landry reminding Mitchell how important SG-1 is even if it isn't a "standard" team, Sam in charge, Vala obsessed with Teal'c's muscles, that was all wonderful. I think the writers are really trying to address everyone's criticisms of lack of organic character development, and I appreciate that very much. The acting was excellent, esp BB and his discomfort having to be alone with the boss. I've so been there, on trips I realized were going to be disasters!

It was even great that Daniel was off in England. Can't wait for those missing scene fics!

I haven't read the whole thread to see if it's discussed, but I'm glad they finally made it clear Jack has a cabin near Colo Springs, perhaps in addition to the MN one, because it never struck me as realistic that he would go up to MN for a weekend or whatever -- it's too far. In fact I always thought the reference in The Curse to it being in MN was just RDA giving props to his home state...

Anyway, good ep, though I missed Daniel and am ready to see him home next week :)

JohnDuh
August 13th, 2006, 04:03 PM
I thought the scenes between Landry and Mitchell were a bit awkward and then I realized...well, they were supposed to be.

Well if I want awkward I'll just go outside and talk to somebody. I hope they don't do much of this, it wasn't particularly entertaining.

DEM
August 13th, 2006, 04:04 PM
I haven't read the whole thread to see if it's discussed, but I'm glad they finally made it clear Jack has a cabin near Colo Springs, perhaps in addition to the MN one, because it never struck me as realistic that he would go up to MN for a weekend or whatever -- it's too far.See?! We're all confused. :D

ETA

Well if I want awkward I'll just go outside and talk to somebody.BWAH! Good one, JohnDuh.

BJX
August 13th, 2006, 04:13 PM
I enjoyed this episode alot. I like these episodes that come along now and again that don't try to be the best episode ever made and as a result they tend to be some of the most enjoyable episodes.

I thought the plot was fine. Wild beast roaming the woods, ripping people to shreds is good for me and the way they tied plot threads from a couple of different episodes together, without mentioning them, was very cool and very well done. Obviously that aspect of the episode was simply a means of generating team interaction and character development. Mitchell and Landry together were fantastic, Mitchell's discomfort around his boss and Landry's messing with Mitchell's head was great to watch. I always loved how Landry seemed to get a kick out of making his subordinates uncomfortable which was made all the better in the context of this episode. More importantly though, seperately we got see alot more of each of their character. Landry had been terribley underdeveloped up to this point and we finally got some background info on him and it gave such a great actor a bit more to do. I really enjoyed Mitchell in this episode. Getting a better idea of his pysche was very welcome and BB's performance was spot on. And what about his car, holy hannah!

I really enjoyed the interaction between Teal'c and Vala and particularly Teal'c and Sam. And again, not only were they great together but both Sam and Teal'c had wonderful moments by themselves. Nice to see Colonel Reynolds and more SG teams, and I loved that more and more guys are carrying the G-36.

The resolution of the episode would have been extremely satisfactory if it weren't for the horrendous special FX. Rarely do I ever say that about SG1 but they were truly dreadful. What I liked about the resolution to this episode was that it wasn't a totally rushed conclusion like "Insiders" and "Morpheus". This flowed perfectly and felt right, not to mention we got a nice bit of action. And that poker scene was superb.

Overall, I think this was a great episode. It acomplished everything it set out to do and then some. The locations and cinamatography were great, I always love SG-1 at night, something we rarely see. It was fun, thrilling and hugely enjoyable, just such a shame it lost out on a 5 out of 5 for me due to the atrocious SFX.

4/5

stewsith
August 13th, 2006, 04:47 PM
That was probably one of the best earth based episodes of the entire series. There was alot of good banter between the team too. It was hoping that one of the leeches would go onto a person and they would have to face a mutant like super human at the end. But thats just me crazy dreaming.

JohnDuh
August 13th, 2006, 04:55 PM
Like the doctor lady better then Lexa Doig's character. They should keep her!


No! Not go getting rid of Lexa, they should just make the character less of a cliche and lighten her up. Let her make a pass at Daniel or something and have Vala go all jealous ;-)

JohnDuh
August 13th, 2006, 05:01 PM
I know alot of people have said from last season that the new characters don't have the same chemistry. This episode proves it otherwise.

That's always an individual perception, I don't know about comparing things, but I didn't think landry and cameron had any kind of chemistry (at least not positive)

Dani347
August 13th, 2006, 05:06 PM
The Top Ten Most Likely Candidates for Running The SGC In the Absence of High-Ranking Officers


4. Cam's Grandma






"Don't you sass me, I may be an old woman, but I have a cane and I know how to use it!"

*Soldiers and scientists slink off, heads down*

"And no slouching! Didn't your mamas raise you better?"

*Soldiers and scientists straighten up and shiver* "Please say Landry is coming back soon!"

DEM
August 13th, 2006, 05:08 PM
"Don't you sass me, I may be an old woman, but I have a cane and I know how to use it!"Hee!

Hey, thanks, Dani; I'd forgotten I posted that. :S

Melora
August 13th, 2006, 05:10 PM
Thank you, Melora. MN is even sillier, IMO. Especially in the midst of all the "Ori are coming! Ori are coming!" stuff the characters keep telling us. Teal'c used 'ironic' in a sentence, and this was definitely the ep for it.

btw, did you determine why the lake dried up? :p ;)

As far as I can tell from bts photos, the pond (it's much too small for a lake, although Jack obviously has delusions of grandeur about it ;)) is located behind the cabin. All of the shots in 'Uninvited' were filmed from inside and in front of the cabin. So, the pond was obscured from view by the cabin itself.

Either that, or Thor finally decided to take up Jack's offer to go fishing and beamed it up and transported it to the Asgard galaxy. In that case, there is no more pond. :P

I really don't think TPTB meant for there to be so much confusion about where the cabin is located. They intended it to be Jack's cabin near Silver Creek, MN. But little continuity errors like the sheriff's license plate and the driving distance between Colorado and MN certainly don't help. It would have made much more sense if they had chosen another location for the retreat in Colorado and not mentioned Jack's cabin at all.

I personally think it was a way for TPTB to reuse a location they were familiar with and mention Jack in an episode. Sort of a 'see, he's still around, we haven't forgotten him' type of thing. In doing so, however, it has caused confusion and is another example of TPTB just not thinking things through logically. Because you're right - it is impractical to drive 12-13 hours for a weekend retreat. Jack might have made the drive in the past b/c he loves the cabin so much, but no one else would want the hassle. Just my take on things. :)

JohnDuh
August 13th, 2006, 06:15 PM
I don't know. I really really -really- did not care for Vala this episode. She was immature, offensive, a major distraction with an arrogant attitude that annoyed me to no end. I thought she was supposed to be growing as a character, not regressing.


I loved her - I hope they don't change her.

JohnDuh
August 13th, 2006, 07:01 PM
This is one of those lack of continuity things that just bug me. It was well established that Jack's cabin was in Minnesota. Now Colorado? Argh!!!

Perhaps he has two? ;)

JohnDuh
August 13th, 2006, 07:13 PM
No, I really don't think so.

RoX, this is for you with a smirk.


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/SCMustang_covenant.jpg

Ooh nice :sam:

Mitchell82
August 13th, 2006, 07:19 PM
I loved her - I hope they don't change her.
Me too! She has definatly breathed life into the show!

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 13th, 2006, 07:46 PM
Landry's bird impression made me laugh so hard.....wOW!

That's the reason I'm voting this ep better that Progeny.

Mitchell82
August 13th, 2006, 07:50 PM
Landry's bird impression made me laugh so hard.....wOW!

That's the reason I'm voting this ep better that Progeny.
It made me laugh too. I'd say that Progeny was just as good as Uninvited.

verbalkint
August 13th, 2006, 10:12 PM
Really liked this episode and I'd give it an 8/10. The thing I always try to remind myself when watching scenes with Vala in them is that she is used to working alone and that she is not exactly bashful. Sometimes when they are off world they will have to rely on her field experience because aside from Teal'c she has the most. I like the writing of Vala this year and to those who mention Vala being written so much smarter when she's not around Daniel are absolutely correct. She hasn't survived this long alone without being able to think quickly and effectively.

For some reason I kept wishing that some other SG-1 team member hurry up and arrive at the cabin so that Mitchell could get out of that god awful consternation facial expression. Gen. Landry is a good leader and his scenes with Mitchell advanced the characters understanding of each other. The poker scene was hilarious even though I saw the Sam bluffing coming from a mile away once someone made the comment about her not being a good poker player.

Sam being the quick thinking brainiac we have all come to know and love was awesome when she used deductive reasoning to figure out how and why the creatures were appearing on those planets. Especially liked the way they recognized their error and took immediate steps to correct it.

Uber
August 14th, 2006, 01:22 AM
Cute continuity error. It's dark...they go into the woods and Sam, Teal'c and Mitchell are visibly patchless.

Then there's the segment when they form a circle and the camera spins around them all. A flashlight beam scrapes into the darkness as they search. When the camera focuses on Mitchell, abracadabra, he's wearing his patches!

And when we see Sam and Teal'c, presto chango, they now have patches too!

:sam43:

Pitry
August 14th, 2006, 02:46 AM
I went this entire episode going... they're not really doing that, are they? Please?
Unfortunately.... they were.

It was entertaining. Definitely funny, at parts. And I wans't just laughing at hte episode, but... I mean, really. That has got to be the most ridiuclous idea I've ever heard. Mutant grisley (er, spelling?) bears?! And a mutant gremlin?! This officially takes the thrown from Nightwalkers. But much like Full Alert, once you're ignoring the actualy plot, the episode is fun.

Loved: All the non-plot-related bits. Landry's duck impression was gold - as was Mithcell's response to it. Mitchell's whole manner, being stuck with Landry in Jack's cabin. The poker scene was brilliant - ha, I wonder if they thought of it because of the "With a little Stargate" adverts, it felt so much like it :) Mitchell's "vice-presidential bird hunt" - ha! So President Henry Hayes has a knack for picking up bad vice-presidents? ;)
Teal'c "It's irnoic we don't really care about Goa'ulds on Earth anymore" and Sam's "Who would have thought - and who would have thought you'd use the word ironic?!" reply was also brilliant - also the nice look exchanges between Vala and Sam at that scene.

I didn't like the scene between them in Landry's office nor the briefing that got Vala to go with TEal'c to 333. I thought they were going on making the two female leads as friends, rather than rivals?
So we got to see some of the old Vala still exists... bwaha.
"Amateurs coming through"... brilliant. Poor Reyndols, he prolly has no idea why they're bringing her along. :) Also, Vala's happy face when she was proven right and there turned to be more than one mutant in the first.

Mitchell's leading conversation, follow-up from Insiders.
I like that tough. I like he went, "I thought I could do everything, now I see I coudln't handle any of this without the rest of them." From the beginning you could see how SG1 rely on each other, how their care for each other translates to succeeding with their mission. That acknolwedgement from Mitchell - also the reference to somehow blunt the Insider quip on how he insisted to have these people on his team, rather than a clear chain of command, etc - I really enjoyed it.

As for the rest. Silly, anyone? I'll avoid from going on about it. Just... mutants?!
Oh, and the excuse for Daniel beign missing has just won over as Worst Excuse Ever, ncluding all of season 7. Why didn't they jsut leave him in Atlantis?!... oh, sigh.

Oh, yeah. One thing I do have a real problem with. One of the things I love most about Stargate is how good the visual effects look. It doesn't look like a computer game to me, unlike most of the sacience fiction shows out there. It looks real.
The mutant, however.... man, that one looked... bad! Just plain CGI, and bad. They could have tried better?

Dani347
August 14th, 2006, 03:39 AM
Okay, I'm confused. Why was Sam surprised that Teal'c used the word "ironic"? I mean, I don't recall him using it before, but I also don't recall there ever being a point made about him not using it. And, when they actually write him lines, Teal'c has always been an articulate character. What am I missing?

MB.Eddie
August 14th, 2006, 06:18 AM
Pretty average ep imo.

Some bits were funny.

I liked the way Vala interacted with Sam + Teal'c.

I didnt really like the whole Landry and Mitchell situation, as it seemed too forced, and didnt have the same ease as say Jack/ Gen. Hammond had in earlier seasons. Not that it needs to be, as Landry is Mitchells superior...

New Doc did a reasonable job, i just hope we get to see Lam again this season...

Cant wait for next weeks ep :cool:

Pitry
August 14th, 2006, 06:22 AM
I saw it as a comment about Teal'c's changed attitude towards life. He didn't use to get irony. I recall an exchange between Jack and Daniel, something like Daniel saying he was being ironic and Jack saying it's unfair towards Teal'c? Also ... Sentinel! That's the episode. Daniel throws off something like "You don't think it's possible for an NID agent to lie?!" and Teal'c compeltely takes it at face value. The comment just showed - to me, anyways - how Teal'c has changed, more towards the human side, now he "gets" irony so much that he can recognise it and refer to it before the other people in the room - Sam didn't realise the irony until teal'c pointed it out.

GhostPoet
August 14th, 2006, 07:09 AM
I was glued to the screen for this ep. :)
For me personally...I've found season 10 to be one of the best seasons. Without a doubt. I just enjoy the writing so much better.

Akai
August 14th, 2006, 08:32 AM
Ok stupid question, which season and which episosee did the Trust first appear in?

The Trust has been around since either season 2 or 3 (possibly earlier, though the SGC didn't actually encounter any operatives until then), one of the first actual appearances was in "Touchstone". They weren't always called the Trust though, they started out as the rogue NID who was misusing Earth's second gate. The NID was under the control of some rich, powerful businessmen. Once the NID managed to clean itself up, the rogues continued working for the businessmen, though they couldn't use the NID as a cover anymore. This was when they started calling themselves the Trust. In season 8 (the episode where they kidnap Teal'c to force Daniel to translate Ancient into Goa'uld), they steal a cloaked Al'kesh, then later on in that same season, they escape into hyperspace after trying to use the symbiote poison and the Prometheus goes after them. This is when they were infiltrated by the Goa'uld. They Goa'ulded some or most likely all of the Trust operatives on board that ship, then went back to Earth. That's how they infiltrated the Trust. I doubt the Trust is entirely Goa'uld, but I'm sure the Goa'uld were smart enough to take over the higher up people in the ranks.

betjam
August 14th, 2006, 08:45 AM
I could have sworn there was a scene where Teal'c said "ironic" before. Yea, I found a transcript. Orpheus.
FRAISER A staff blast hit you directly in the symbiote pouch. If you weren't on tretonin…
TEAL'C
I would be dead. Ironic.

I was wondering what I missed in that scene too, because it seemed to me he used that term before.

Gateship#53
August 14th, 2006, 09:52 AM
Loved finally getting to see the inside of Jack's cabin - I'm a nut for houseplans and floorplans and such - and the poker game was priceless.

ladyjanus

This was the best part! Actually getting to see the inside of Jack's cabin...finally! I did enjoy this episode. Missed Daniel, but other than that -- it was very interesting to see everyone in a different environment and/or job.

Can't wait for next week!

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 14th, 2006, 09:59 AM
Pretty average ep imo.

Some bits were funny.

I liked the way Vala interacted with Sam + Teal'c.

I didnt really like the whole Landry and Mitchell situation, as it seemed too forced, and didnt have the same ease as say Jack/ Gen. Hammond had in earlier seasons. Not that it needs to be, as Landry is Mitchells superior...

New Doc did a reasonable job, i just hope we get to see Lam again this season...

Cant wait for next weeks ep :cool:

I think that the new doc should replace Lam - she had more character.

Daniel's_twin
August 14th, 2006, 10:36 AM
I think that the new doc should replace Lam - she had more character.

I thought she was only there because she knows animals. :cool:

Farscapefan
August 14th, 2006, 10:58 AM
I thought she was only there because she knows animals. :cool:

Exactly.

Maj_Cliffhanger
August 14th, 2006, 11:05 AM
If I remember right, Carter said she was a 'xenologist' out of area 51- or basically an expert on extraterrestrial life. (Kinda a fudge on that title- shouldn't it be xenobiologist?) Which might explain why she was the one to give Teal'c a clean bill of health rather than a regular medical doctor but - (((wince unhappily))) - it felt like a fudge to me (mini-mini blooper). I would have prefered Lam to be the one to at least clear Teal'c. (Of course, Lexa Doig was busy giving birth when this was being filmed, so they had to cover her absense somehow)

stewsith
August 14th, 2006, 11:14 AM
For some reason I thought the doctor was Lam for the entire episode, i must have missed the bit where they introduced her. Anyway, im sure she will be back before the end of the season.

Not_The_MaMa
August 14th, 2006, 01:07 PM
Good episode it was funny when Landry did the bird call. Also I would like to say I LOVE VALA

Leilina
August 14th, 2006, 01:21 PM
Okay, am I the only one confused? This was supposed to be Jack's cabin... The cabin in Minnesota?? Where is the lake with or without fish??? ;-)

Zoser
August 14th, 2006, 02:38 PM
Okay, am I the only one confused? This was supposed to be Jack's cabin... The cabin in Minnesota?? Where is the lake with or without fish??? ;-)
Don't ask the writers - they obviously don't have a clue

warmbeachbrat
August 14th, 2006, 02:49 PM
Okay, am I the only one confused? This was supposed to be Jack's cabin... The cabin in Minnesota?? Where is the lake with or without fish??? ;-)

Isn't it in the back? That's where it was in Threads and Mobius. I think they just showed the front of the cabin in Uninvited.

NikonUser
August 14th, 2006, 05:20 PM
I thought the "pond" where Jack is always fishing was behind his house, and where he actually fishes is in Minnesota. I could be wrong, but the last scene in Threads (and Mobieus) takes place in Jacks' backyard, not his fishing retreat. Am I wrong here?

As for Landry, I could get a lot of flak for this, but to me he is the weakest character, or at least the one I am least interested in hearing from. There is just something about Beau Bridges that doesn't fit in with the others. Now, Hammond is one character I sorely miss, and I wish the the powers would have met his demands on pay. I'd love to see Hammond back at SGC.

As for this episode, a lot of people I talk to thought the creature was well done, and I thought it was horrible. To me it looked cheap, like they just didn't have the time and/or money to do their usually excellent job in FX.

Dialog was great, the poker scene was terrific, and Sam and Vala are getting along as I had hoped. This was a good episode, but the weakest one of the season, for me anyway.

As for this Friday's 200th; does anyone know if the Farscape bit is going to have Ben and Claudia playing John and Aruan? That would be wicked cool ;)

majorsal
August 14th, 2006, 06:05 PM
S10 is a slightly different issue. Ironically, Carter's place in SG-1 seems to be becoming more unclear this year than last. Most importantly, this haziness or ambiguity is all subtextual. Whereas at least in the past there were actual lines for AT to play, now there's just some weird undercurrent... or sumpin. All of the character dynamics are a bit of a mess right now, but I think Carter, as a character, is the one most affected by the cast changes. IMO, of course.



i agree, and i think it's because some of sam's 'stuff' has been divided up
and given to mitchell and vala (goauld/host abilities, leading sg1, etc).





sally :sam:

Gate gal
August 14th, 2006, 08:21 PM
Pretty average ep imo.

Some bits were funny.

I liked the way Vala interacted with Sam + Teal'c.

I didnt really like the whole Landry and Mitchell situation, as it seemed too forced, and didnt have the same ease as say Jack/ Gen. Hammond had in earlier seasons. Not that it needs to be, as Landry is Mitchells superior...

New Doc did a reasonable job, i just hope we get to see Lam again this season...

Cant wait for next weeks ep :cool:
See, when we saw the new doc, I immediately thought, "This one's gonna die tonight!" I was impressed that she lived, but why wasn't Dr. Lam there? She hasn't been around much this year. Have we seen her at all? I can't remember. I miss Janet.

Good episode though!

Major Gambit
August 14th, 2006, 08:30 PM
The main thing of this episode to me, was the character interatction.

Myn McGeek, Third Sentinel
August 14th, 2006, 09:16 PM
Ah make the reward some Brad Paisley tickets and I could have taken that thing out with my eyes closed....... Ok that's my self-degrading redneck joke for the evening.
Me too! Me too! Or, maybe Josh Turner tickets.... :D :D :D

Anyway, missed Danny again, but I really enjoyed this one. :) I laughed so hard at more than one of the Cam/Landry scenes! :D Some semi-lame aspects, but over all it was good. I won't bother giving my thoughts in detail...

7/10

Myn McGeek, Third Sentinel
August 14th, 2006, 09:51 PM
... and the second that it was kind of disgusting in spots -torn bodies, nasty looking creature)
...aside from really missing Daniel and wanting to cover my eyes part of the time, I liked it.
:D You wanted to cover your eyes? I was actually wondering why they didn't show it in more detail, then I remembered the rating... Blood and gore don't normally bother me, except when the person is still alive... I can't watch ER. :S

But, I agree with missing Daniel. :danielanime07: I was distracted enough most of the time not to notice too much, though.

Myn McGeek, Third Sentinel
August 14th, 2006, 10:06 PM
I shouldn't have laughed when the creature grabbed the sheriff, but the timing of that was just funny.
I didn't find that funny, what happened with me was that I was still laughing from what they were saying before when the creature came out of nowhere... I was pretty startled, definitely too startled to keep laughing!

[SGC_ReplicÅtors]
August 14th, 2006, 10:07 PM
i just wanted to see a monster on that planet...instead of hearing gun fire on the radio....

Myn McGeek, Third Sentinel
August 14th, 2006, 10:27 PM
The main thing of this episode to me, was the character interatction.
I agree... sort of. I think it was the best part, but not necessarily the main part.

josh
August 15th, 2006, 12:31 AM
really wasnt a fan of this one, i didnt like the whole premise of the show.. how they were taking time off to "get to know each other". just an excuse to further establish the newbies character traits

Dani347
August 15th, 2006, 01:52 AM
:D You wanted to cover your eyes? I was actually wondering why they didn't show it in more detail, then I remembered the rating... Blood and gore don't normally bother me, except when the person is still alive... I can't watch ER. :S



I'm very very squeamish. But, I do watch medical dramas. I just cover my eyes and yell "ew! ew! ew!" when they actually do the blood and gore part. But, I'm expecting it in those shows. I'm not expecting it on Stargate.

Pitry
August 15th, 2006, 05:00 AM
:D You wanted to cover your eyes? I was actually wondering why they didn't show it in more detail, then I remembered the rating... Blood and gore don't normally bother me, except when the person is still alive... I can't watch ER. :S



The rating actually was "14"... I was wondering about that. I didn't think the bodies warranted it - I'm actually suspecting it only got "14" cos people complained about Avalon p.2...
But maybe I've watched too much House. :)

stewsith
August 15th, 2006, 05:28 AM
On the whole jacks cabin wheres the lake with the fish thing: Well we never saw the back of the Cabin but it is strange they never mentioned it. Maybe jack has another cabin?

GhostPoet
August 15th, 2006, 12:35 PM
Was anyone else surprised that the creatures were coming from the cloaking device? I thought it was connected to the teams going off world and bringing back something that mutated...

jckfan55
August 15th, 2006, 01:06 PM
These exposition scenes are about character interaction so they're a chance to let the acting, both verbal and non-verbal, shine: the camera's job is simply to highlight those dynamics whilst making sure the plot unfolds clearly.
Good point.



I thought the explanation of the out-of-phase worm was fine to progress the plot, but lacked a bit of spark. I don't entirely agree about the 'eye-rolling' in season 9 - you both have a point, but in terms of the character it could be a good thing if she is put off: it makes her more human. It's important that each character in the scene has an individual point of view towards the exposition - jazzed, confused, puzzled, bored, impatient, whatever. In some cases, a character might be behaving quite in character to roll their eyes when Sam's on a technobabblathon (in fact Jack used to do it, or send out other signs of boredom or impatience, quite a lot!). And Sam could be oblivious to those reactions, or become slowly aware of them and become defensive, or annoyed, or amused. Either way, that then tells us more about Sam's state of mind. Action and reaction, that's what character dynamics are all about. I don't want everyone sitting around listening to Sam with rapt attention because that's just boring and one-sided - all the focus is on the speaker when we also need to get a sense of what the listeners are thinking.

I wouldn't say I'd want them just listening with rapt attention, but one scene in the control room in S9 (sorry I don't remember which episode) Daniel looked a bit impatient and eye rolling, exchanging looks w/ Mitchell, I believe. That didn't seem in character for Daniel to me.

I like the range of reactions we see to Daniel in Morpheus, where there's respect and appreciation for his knowledge and enthusiasm, but also amusement and a bit of impatience.
yes, that seemed ok to me too.

Rachel500
August 16th, 2006, 02:24 AM
You're right, Ace. He's been a ful Colonel since season five, episode 3, Ascension. Makes sense then that he'd be second in command at the SGC. I'd like to see him in that role a bit more. Durring the talk with Sam, Vala, and Teal'c in Uninvited he allowed Sam to remain in command, she directed the the conversation and in the end gave the orders. He may have been able to countermand her, but what we saw was him deferring to her and not the other way around. JMHO!
As much as I'd like to celebrate... it doesn't make any sense. I rewatched all of my DVD's with Reynolds in it and he does not wear any insignia!

But in Season 2's Touchstone he was a Major... Let's assume for the sake of the argument that he was promoted to Lieutenant Colonel immediately after the episode.

Well it usually takes a person roughly 5 years to be promoted from Lt. Colonel to a full bird. Which would mean that he was probably a Lt. Colonel from right after Touchstone to probably Season 7's Fallen. Afterward he could be a full bird at any time.

Unfortunately the picture indicates that he as been a full bird since Season 5. Meaning that he was a Lt. Colonel for only 3 years... I suppose it might be possible though highly unlikely...

Either way though... he is most likely a full Bird Colonel!
Ace

Just reading through to see what everyone thought and came across this debate...

I always thought Reynolds was a Marine (SG3 is the Marine unit) - and doesn't their ranking go straight from Major to Colonel??? *vague memories of JAG*

scarimor
August 16th, 2006, 04:09 AM
My word - I liked Landry in this episode (the shock!). His duck stuff was perfect.

Cool episode for a number of reasons. By the gods, Sam and Vala are good together. Sam and Teal'c are cool together. Teal'c and Vala are fun together. Lovely character moments in there.

Nice idea to delve into the the dimensional creatures and Sodan cloaks from other episodes to create the main plot device for this episode.

Cameron Mitchell grows on me as his position on the team becomes more explicitly articulated in these last two episodes. We now know that he knows that he's not in charge of SG-1. We also know that he knows that his early "I could do anything" attitude was misplaced (memories of "Off the Grid"). We've seen that Mitchell isn't Carter's/Teal'c's/Daniel's CO for a long time now in the action and dialogue, but now it's clear and unequivocally expressed by characters directly it all feels much more settled. Mitchell seems much more settled too - more a part of the team instead of the fish-out-of-water tag-along which he felt like for much of season 9.

lil note: in the last ep, Mitchell refered to himself and Carter as the same rank. We already knew they were the same grade (i.e. Lt. Colonels) and now, according to this ep, we know they have the same time-in-grade (Mitchell must know the difference between rank and grade, being an officer himself). So that clears up one little question - who was promoted first: answer - they were promoted to Lt. Colonel at the same time :)

The superior officer/subordinate issue re. Landry was nicely handled too - that was the command structure that got the most attention: i.e. how Mitchell relates to the guy who is their CO - the general.

It was nice to see Sam in charge of the base and to see her figure out the wee beasties which were creating big dangerous beasties and where they came from.

Other cool things:


Vala's feet (nearly) on the table and Sam's reaction

Holy Hannah!

poker! Teal'c teasing Sam. Vala teasing Sam. Sam winning.

Maj_Cliffhanger
August 16th, 2006, 07:36 AM
Just reading through to see what everyone thought and came across this debate...

I always thought Reynolds was a Marine (SG3 is the Marine unit) - and doesn't their ranking go straight from Major to Colonel??? *vague memories of JAG*

Interesting thought and - I wasn't at all sure - so I googled it! Shrug!

See:
http://www.military-quotes.com/ranks/marine-rank-insignia.htm

Um - nope! The Marines have a Lt. Colonel grade. with the same insigna as the Air Force

I haven't seen JAG in quite a while but remember that it is convention to address to a Lt. Col (except in written communication and formal introductions/settings) as simply 'Colonel' - Same thing goes for First and Second Lieutenants, and the various ranks of General. Maybe that's what you're thinking of??? Or maybe you were thinking of the Navy - who's rank system is rather different indeed!

ChillinTheMost
August 16th, 2006, 01:53 PM
I thought this was another great one. From Mitchell’s Mustang Fastback to the poker game, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I wonder how many takes it took for Ben and Beau to get through the birdcalling scene with a straight face? But it was worth how ever many it took. Their expressions were wonderful. Ben and Beau are great together and perfectly acted the awkwardness of trying to “vacation” with your boss. I loved that Landry told Mitchell constantly to relax, but as soon as he did, Landry said, “Not that relaxed.” I think Landry loves pulling Mitchell’s chain – but he is also one of Mitchell’s biggest supporters.

I thought Sam did a good job running the SGC. I wonder if she was using the “I can’t get away until Reynolds comes back” as an excuse to delay going to the cabin? There have to be more than 2 people rotating to watch over things when Landry is not on duty – especially since both of those people also seem to have full time jobs traveling off-world.

I loved all the character interaction and the humor was just great throughout.

And enough can’t be said about Mitchell in the hoodie.

OutThere
August 16th, 2006, 08:12 PM
Bad monster movie effects, cheesy monster movie camera work-- and yet, I found myself really enjoying this episode, despite the silliness of the plot.

The best parts were poor Cam stuck at the cabin with Landry. Of the new characters, I usually like Landry the least, and Cam sort of okay. Their exchanges were great though, and I really felt for Cam when he was trying to figure his place in SG-1. And I really felt for Cam as I tried not to fall over laughing when Landry was doing that duck call.

Carter in charge of the SGC? Cool! But I kept thinking that there would probably be a few full birds in there that would outrank her. How does the chain of command go?

Usually I love Vala, but I found her annoying this episode. I suppose the point is that she is annoying, and needs to learn to work with her team. Maybe she could learn a little faster.

Best quote of the night: "Amatuers coming though."

I can probably think of twenty things "wrong" with this episode, but since I felt suitably entertained by the time the end rolled around, I'll just go with that happy feeling....

sg1_david
August 17th, 2006, 08:58 AM
It was one of those episodes where I could care less what happened, it wasn't exactly 'edge of your seat' stuff.

tears of blood
August 17th, 2006, 11:55 PM
i liked this episode because it had some much needed character bonding time between landry and mitchell, i think it was well needed, and shows them both in a different light, because they havent really had a casual non work related time together yet have they, its always been business between them

Rachel500
August 18th, 2006, 08:25 AM
Interesting thought and - I wasn't at all sure - so I googled it! Shrug!

See:
http://www.military-quotes.com/ranks/marine-rank-insignia.htm

Um - nope! The Marines have a Lt. Colonel grade. with the same insigna as the Air Force

I haven't seen JAG in quite a while but remember that it is convention to address to a Lt. Col (except in written communication and formal introductions/settings) as simply 'Colonel' - Same thing goes for First and Second Lieutenants, and the various ranks of General. Maybe that's what you're thinking of??? Or maybe you were thinking of the Navy - who's rank system is rather different indeed!

Oh well! Another theory bites the dust. :o

Nope I wasn't thinking Navy. I was thinking I couldn't remember Mack being called anything other than Colonel after she was promoted after being Major...but obviously it follows the same form as the Airforce.

Myn McGeek, Third Sentinel
August 18th, 2006, 05:41 PM
i liked this episode because it had some much needed character bonding time between landry and mitchell, i think it was well needed, and shows them both in a different light, because they havent really had a casual non work related time together yet have they, its always been business between them
That's a good point, I liked that too.

The Signal
August 19th, 2006, 02:00 PM
Im not even going to get into this episode, bordem from the begining, bad writing, bad story, bad effects, cheesy moments. In conclusion: Bad

4/10

Sheomet
August 19th, 2006, 07:42 PM
I didn't catch any of the info about the cabin the first time around, so I rewatched the episode tonight. This info is just to clear some things up and is by no means an excuse for some of the plot holes in the ep.

Sam refers to the town near the cabin as "Silver Creek" a couple of times. There are two different towns in Minnesota named Silver Creek. One is located in Lake County and is in Northern Minnesota near a state forest. This is probably the one refered to in the ep., since Jack said one time that his cabin was in northern Minnesota. The other is located near St. Cloud in south-central Minnesota and is near a state park. In addition, the badge on the sheriff's shoulder said, "Silver Creek County Sheriff." Needless to say, there is no Silver Creek County in either Minnesota or Colorado.

I have no idea about "Silver Springs" and where that came from. I couldn't find a town named that in either Colorado or Minnesota on the map and it wasn't even mentioned in the episode. There is a city named that in Maryland, however. I also didn't catch any direct references in the episode to the cabin being in Colorado. Then again I could have missed it.

IMHO, the license plate was clearly a continuity error. Maybe the prop department didn't have a Minnesota license plate handy and didn't think anyone would catch it. Or maybe they weren't informed that the cabin was supposed to be in Minnesota. Glitches like that sometimes happen, esp. when there is not enough communication or oversight between the different branches of production.

As for the distance thing - I agree. It is ridiculous to think that everyone would drive that long to go to a weekend 'bonding' retreat at a cabin, esp. when there are plenty of good places for that type of thing in Colorado. But, having examined most of the evidence, I think the writer clearly meant for the cabin to be Jack's cabin in Minnesota and not a cabin in Colorado.

I just watched this episode again tonight and I noticed that at the end when they were all standing around the big map that it was a map of the area around Rocky Mtn Nat. Park in Colorado. You can clearly see on the map that there are 2 big lakes with a road running right along the shores, these 2 lakes exactly match the lakes just southwest of Rocky Mtn NP with the larger being Lake Granby. So now I'm even more confused about where they meant for the episode to take place. :confused:

Maj_Cliffhanger
August 20th, 2006, 09:35 AM
Regarding Jack's cabin...

Something that was pointed out on another thread. Jack MUST have two cabins, one in Minnesota and one in Colorado... Why? Well, in most of the episodes where we see his 'place' - for instance Threads when Sam sits outside on his driveway trying to work up the courage to confront him about how she feels, only to find he's with his girlfriend. Then she gets the call about her dad - She didn't drive all the way to Minnesota! That place sure had a 'cabin' like feel to it. 'Same place they used for Paradise Lost, when Mayborne confronts Jack on his porch and steals a hot dog and beer. Wether the studio was able to use the exact same location for 'Uninvited' or not, I think we can accept that this is just a different view of the place we've seen before in Colorado. Is it the same place we see him and Teal'c go fishing in Chamira, or the gang at in Threads? Probably not. I think I remember Jack specifically referring to the idea of going to Minnesota in Chameria (or that he was trying to intice Sam to go with him there and got Teal'c to go instead) So the lake we see is in Minnesota - but we didn't see a lake in this episode. Which of course doesn't mean there isn't a lake at both places... (He does love to fish after all!)

Any thoughts or comments about this?

DEM
August 20th, 2006, 11:07 AM
O'Neill's residence in CO was an actual house, rather than cabin.


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/johouse_815.jpg http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/JOinter_101.jpg
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http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/uninvited0002.jpg http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/uninvited0182.jpg

So, given the new info from Sheomet, I'm back to my original thinking: Production Screwed Up!