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July 14th, 2006, 02:43 PM
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SG-1 investigates a problem off-world and soon finds that they have become victims themselves: they cannot stay awake. Meanwhile, Vala Mal Doran undergoes an evaluation on Earth, hoping to join SG-1.

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Pharaoh Atem
July 21st, 2006, 06:59 PM
this was a good episodes funny moments with vala and the psych test i can tell she is going to bring back some of the missed humour to stargate.

and i really enjoyed the Daniel Landry talk at the beginning. didn't really like the quick resolution :S this episode had a dark Derry feeling to it it was a nice change

Elwe Singollo
July 21st, 2006, 07:04 PM
me liked it. not a fan of cameron since he began on the show, and this episode doesnt help him at all still.

'Joe Bob' was the star of the episode.

MarshAngel
July 21st, 2006, 07:07 PM
It was a decent episode right up till the end. It felt like they ran out of time and the ending was a complete cop out. The entire solution enacted off screen and enough time to save their lives? Highly unlikely. I don't know that I'd buy it any more it it was actually presented in the episode but at least I could say I actually saw the magical event happen.

I loved that Mitchell's line about the knights that say 'nee'. That was amusing. There were some good moments in this episode I only wish the ending weren't so shifty.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
July 21st, 2006, 07:10 PM
Good episode. This season is look better and better, an example is at the end of the episode, with Vala. Next weeks episode looks awesome.

coolove
July 21st, 2006, 07:11 PM
I think this season is off to a good start. I'm loving Vala more and more. The whole bit with Woosley at the end was priceless. Excellent episode.

CCA
July 21st, 2006, 07:15 PM
I definitely liked this episode...I did think the ending was a bit off was like (shakes head) what tha...but I quickly forgot about it with Vala making a scene and a funny one at that to.

But the episode was great IMO...loved Mitchell's little one liners like all ways and I sqealed a little to much delight with the Monty Paython reference...and the slap on the soldier's head trying to keep him up was cute to by Teal'C...I'll be watching this again :)

Major Tyler
July 21st, 2006, 07:17 PM
I officially love Vala, now! :D

Dani347
July 21st, 2006, 07:20 PM
Okay, one confusing point. Why did the other team come in with the hazmat suits? I mean, I know why they were wearing them, but weren't they told it would still be too dangerous to come to the planet? Was there a scene where Landry decided they needed to risk it to get SG1 and the others out?

The scene at the start with Daniel running in with the files, talking fast, that must be the one the article was talking about when it said a lot like early Daniel.

This was a team episode. Team together for large parts of the episode, but not together for the whole time. Splitting up at times, but not like 5 minutes together and then 40 (or however long an episode actually is) apart, then a quick scene together at the end.

Um, where was that angsty scene between Daniel and Sam? I'm guessing it was supposed to be them trying to keep each other awake and Sam saying she couldn't stay awake. Not really my idea of angsty. I thought there would be talking, angsty dialogue. Not a bad scene for what it was, though.

Nothing to complain about as far as characters. Well, horrible taste in movies for Mitchell, but that's about it;) Didn't feel anyone did too much or too little. Did the animal Teal'c brought out play a part in the solution?

That doctor that was with them, has he been there before?

Interesting that Daniel would speak up for Vala joining the SGC. But, she does have a possible advantage being Adria's mother (possible, because who knows if Adria will ultimately decide that Vala is an enemy, and then that advantage is gone). Although, I'm glad that he still gets annoyed with her. It wouldn't make sense if he didn't. And, was the trick with Woolsey thought up in the first place, or after she kept trying to trick the test? And, I'm glad she's on probation. It would be way too easy for her to join SG1 after just a few tests.

So, an actual team episode, people together. Now, they need to go to planets with live people. Nothing super fantastic, but a nice little one shot episode (I actually prefer those to big arcs). And, no Ori! *does dance* But, maybe I missed it, weren't the parasites supposed to be connected to planets SG1 had visited? Did they mention it in the episode?

siXbrownSnakes2
July 21st, 2006, 07:23 PM
Vala was great.

Ending reminded me of "Full Alert" from S8, a little fast but nonetheless a good episode until then. It could have used another element to create suspense, but whatever, was decent.

This episode was something we haven't really seen in awhile, the team going to another world for the sake of exploring and finding something. We don't go through the stargate for the hell of it anymore like it was in the early seasons. It was good to have the team together like that.

The previews for Pegasus Project looked promising as well. Being written by Brad Wright, ive got high expectations for it.

If I were rating the ep I'd give it a **1/2, the ending being too quick really sort of ruined it.

Dani347
July 21st, 2006, 07:32 PM
A few small things. First, we had Mitchell and Daniel having a little scene (where Daniel wanted to stay looking through the books), Mitchell and Teal'c in the caves, Daniel and Sam near the end. So, we need to have some Sam and Teal'c moments. They don't seem to realize playing up this pairing (as teammates and friends) would be so good.

Also, Daniel wears glasses. He wore them the whole time, as far as I can remember (thank you). There's no need for him and Mitchell to be in different colored uniforms all the time. Seriously, they don't look that much alike, and again, glasses.

But, now, I want an episode where SG1 has hallucinations. That would have been interesting to see.

ShardsofGlass
July 21st, 2006, 07:52 PM
This was one of the worst episodes I've ever seen. THe whole sleeping village was sooo boring. Couldn't they liven it up with some interesting conversation between team members? Or something?! Nothing really happend. And SG-1 never did figure out the solution. Someone else came in and solved their problem. THat is terrible storytelling. Terrible. How about showing us some of those hallucinations? That would've been interesting. How about some urgency? As it was, the team members fell asleep and were okay. The lizard was just stupid. And the copout ending where they explained what happend to us the audience was totally lame.

And I thought Vala's "psych" evaluation was the silliest thing. I didn't find it funny or interesting at all. Just stupid.

At least something happened in last week's episode. Nothing happened in this one. Ugh. I watch something like this and I can't believe the writers thought it was good enough to put on the air.

At least Eureka was good beforehand.

JanusAncient
July 21st, 2006, 08:00 PM
So, it's six planets not galaxies. I loved the beginning, when Teal'c came through the Stargate, and told them about Adria. Vala's interview, her studying for a psychological examination was very funny. I can't believe I was so worried, when Teal'c fell, just before reaching the cave's exit, or when he couldn't really tell them the creatures significance. The part with Vala and Woolsey, this was a good episode, the next will be better.

This is a response to an earlier post. In the village Ver'isca, I think that's how it's spelled, the Ori followers created six ships, not only the four that came through the gate.

Dromag67
July 21st, 2006, 08:08 PM
Go Teal'c! :tealc:

I was sorta hoping Mitchell would be forgotten back in the cave. ;)

Vala is also starting to grow on me, she was great in this episode.

Next week looks like its going to be awesome.

Skydiver
July 21st, 2006, 08:11 PM
better than last week's, not quite as draggy as F&B.

it did have some good moments and, shock of shocks they used that round spinny thing, which has become such a rarity.

vala....she annoys me. her lines were funny and i can see what they were doing, i can see how peopel adore her but the character as a whole just rubs me the wrong way. I was literally turning the volume down when she'd go on one of her tangents. maybe she'll be better once she's not the sole focus of the scene and has someone else to interact with

i also found hte ending to be way too abrupt. It suffered from J&PTS. Joe and Paul's Tidy Syndrome...the 'holy crud we have only 7 minutes left, quick let's pull a cure out of thin air and get all the toys put away before they fade to black.'

I loved that teal'c saved the day. Finally, someone else gets to be the hero. and i liked how they all worked together to solve the issue. sam and daniel had some cute bits, as did teal'c and cam

had hte vala storyline not been in it, it woulda gotten 7 of 10, but my irritation with her and her antics drops it to 6 of 10

Dani347
July 21st, 2006, 08:13 PM
Okay, so the animal was the solution. I haven't viewed the earlier episodes as being "Mitchell plays the hero" but it was nice to see Teal'c save the day.

miju
July 21st, 2006, 08:15 PM
Curse you comcast may you rot in hades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

anyone else experiencing cable tv woes? some please post a transcript! pretty please ? :o

npattis
July 21st, 2006, 08:17 PM
Hmm all in all good episode. It was nice to see the team actually exploring through the gate like they did early episodes. I may get red for this, but will someone pick up a P90 already and blow Vala away? My god, I agree with the earlier post, I muted most of the time she was on.

Vyse
July 21st, 2006, 08:18 PM
better than last week's, not quite as draggy as F&B.

it did have some good moments and, shock of shocks they used that round spinny thing, which has become such a rarity.

vala....she annoys me. her lines were funny and i can see what they were doing, i can see how peopel adore her but the character as a whole just rubs me the wrong way. I was literally turning the volume down when she'd go on one of her tangents. maybe she'll be better once she's not the sole focus of the scene and has someone else to interact with

i also found hte ending to be way too abrupt. It suffered from J&PTS. Joe and Paul's Tidy Syndrome...the 'holy crud we have only 7 minutes left, quick let's pull a cure out of thin air and get all the toys put away before they fade to black.'

I loved that teal'c saved the day. Finally, someone else gets to be the hero. and i liked how they all worked together to solve the issue. sam and daniel had some cute bits, as did teal'c and cam

had hte vala storyline not been in it, it woulda gotten 7 of 10, but my irritation with her and her antics drops it to 6 of 10


I agree, Vala storyline was boring and predictable. Gee, who would have guessed that Woolsey's proposal was a test, saw that one coming miles and miles away.

Also, you are right they actually used the big round spinny thing for once. Wait, isn't the show named after the big round spinny thing, I am trying to remember but I'm not certain. Too many Star Trek type ships, who needs the big round spinny thing anymore anyway?

captain jake
July 21st, 2006, 08:19 PM
Not as good as flesh and blood but I still liked it.

I kinda felt bad for Vala in the first scene when Teal'c singled her out. However I don't think she took it to hard I love how she just lives in her own little world. However if she keeps this act up for to long I am afraid it will get amazingly old (Cross your fingers that I am wrong). I was kind of disappointed with the woosley storyline I don't know about you guys but I saw right through that.

The filming was awesome I loved how scary that planet was, I would find it hard to fall asleep in a place like that even with a virus. The whole psych test vala went through was funny and didn't completely bug me. However I wish they would have focused more on the mission and less on Vala. Don't get me wrong I love vala it's just I love off world missions allot more.

Overall I really liked the off world storyline as for the on world storyline well not terrible but could have lived without it.

Mitchell82
July 21st, 2006, 08:19 PM
I really enjoyed this episode I loved the whole psych eval thing, it was very funny. CB can really pull of the humor of her character. I thought the sleeping village was a clever plot and ended up making a very dark story. I liked the interaction with Wollsey especially at the end, and is it just me or did the interaction with Vala at the gate kind of remind you of when Danny rejoind the SGC at the begining of season 7? I thought the ending was a little rushed but it didn't b other me at all. All in all great episode and can't wait for the Pegasus Project. Lets hope for good ratings!:cameron:

FoolishPleasure
July 21st, 2006, 08:20 PM
I felt it was a very good episode, especially Vala's scenes. She is definitely a breath of fresh air for this series!

Always good to see Woolsey. :)

I liked the look of the planet, being nice and creepy. Supposedly this was the same village set from Camelot and, if so, TPTB did a great job making it look totally different.

The ending fell a bit flat with just a scene of everyone healthy and talking about how the cure was done with the help of Joe Bob. Bit of a cop out, but I guess they just ran out of time. Certainly hope Joe Bob was released back to his home. ;)

Dromag67
July 21st, 2006, 08:21 PM
Oh and did I mention I wanted to sleep after everyone started falling asleep on the show? :D

Nolamom
July 21st, 2006, 08:21 PM
i also found hte ending to be way too abrupt. It suffered from J&PTS. Joe and Paul's Tidy Syndrome...the 'holy crud we have only 7 minutes left, quick let's pull a cure out of thin air and get all the toys put away before they fade to black.'

Yes, the solution/ending was too abrupt. However, I did enjoy the humor that the character Vala is restoring to the show. It's been missing since Jack has been gone - we need humor!

Skydiver
July 21st, 2006, 08:21 PM
Curse you comcast may you rot in hades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

anyone else experiencing cable tv woes? some please post a transcript! pretty please ? :o
the girls on the transcript group usually have one up in a day or four. depending on how much dialogue is in it and how much free time they have

the fifth man
July 21st, 2006, 08:22 PM
I'd easily give this episode a 8 or 9/10. I really enjoyed it all around.:) Great team interaction, good story, and Vala was hilarious. I'm glad she passed the evaluation on her own, without Woolsey's "help". This season, IMO, is off to a tremendous start.

Not_The_MaMa
July 21st, 2006, 08:23 PM
Great episode, I love Vala she is so awsome, made me lagh a lot. I don't see y people are complaning about Michell hes one of my fav. people now. I loved the ending with Vala and Woolsey, befor that it was a little rushed tho, but yet anouther great episode this season is going to be GREAT.

rarocks24
July 21st, 2006, 08:24 PM
I'm sorry Principia. Yeah, Comcast is pretty bad. What annoyed me was I had to adjust the volume every advertisement. :mad: If it's anything like what my family is going through, (the channel signal getting messed up, channels displaying wrong, etc), then I know how you feel.

Nolamom
July 21st, 2006, 08:25 PM
AOL has the clip of Vala's lie detector test - sooo funny. Vala clip (http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1678879&referer=http%3A//television.aol.com/)

the fifth man
July 21st, 2006, 08:25 PM
I'm sorry Principia. Yeah, Comcast is pretty bad. What annoyed me was I had to adjust the volume every advertisement. :mad: If it's anything like what my family is going through, (the channel signal getting messed up, channels displaying wrong, etc), then I know how you feel.

You know, I have that same problem. Sucks, don't it?

Nolamom
July 21st, 2006, 08:29 PM
Nice job on the problems associated with using amphetamines to stay awake too. Poor doctor having the heart attack - he stayed awake right up until he died.

Skydiver
July 21st, 2006, 08:30 PM
I'm sorry Principia. Yeah, Comcast is pretty bad. What annoyed me was I had to adjust the volume every advertisement. :mad: If it's anything like what my family is going through, (the channel signal getting messed up, channels displaying wrong, etc), then I know how you feel.
the audio on the whole show was messed up. i watch it off satellite, the same feed that cable then passes onto folks and i was cranking it waaay up for the show then getting blasted by the commercials.

atlantis was the same way. someone at scifi messed up and didn't set thier audio levels right

the fifth man
July 21st, 2006, 08:31 PM
the audio on the whole show was messed up. i watch it off satellite, the same feed that cable then passes onto folks and i was cranking it waaay up for the show then getting blasted by the commercials.

atlantis was the same way. someone at scifi messed up and didn't set thier audio levels right

The Sci-Fi Channel has been like that for me since last season actually. And occasionally, it occurs on other channels. Mainly Sci-Fi though.

Osiris-RA
July 21st, 2006, 08:33 PM
Hey! Shocker, Stargate was pretty good tonight. I thought the plot was a tad transparent and not very action-y, but it was decent. Better than last week, most definitely. A simple Go-Through-The-Much-Missed-Stargate and get in trouble. I noticed that Carter didn't do much Carter-y stuff (besides stare languidly at her Dell and talk weirdly occasionally) It still feels like they're trying to make us like Mitchell by putting him in the forefront of everything fun. (by the way, I'm not falling for his pathetic one-liners)

The parasite thing feels overdone. I mean, how many bug episodes has Sg1 had over the years? Someone's always getting possesed or something's crawling out of his nose or people are spontaneously combusting or something gross. I think it's time to move on to some new material, anyone with me?

Meanwhile, it was fun watching SG1 try to stay awake. I was hoping there'd be more hallucinating (like Sam mistaking Mitchell for Jack or something silly) but unfortunatley, no. We get a gratuitous Sam and Dan going it alone scene, but nothing much. The episode ended abruptly with that quickie explanation involving the lizard. The editing didn't work for me, things went too fast and too often I found myself asking mom, "What just happened?"

On a happier side, Vala did excellently this time around. She was funny without being crude and - dare I say it - had an aura of Old Skool SG1 around her. Seriously, she sounded more like something out of an old SG1 episode. I could live without the pigtails, but whatever. I understand her character a bit better too, what with the whole psychiatric thingie she was going through. Twas friggin funny too. See? Havings kids does change us! :P

the fifth man
July 21st, 2006, 08:37 PM
(by the way, I'm not falling for his pathetic one-liners)


But what, O'Neill's were fine?:p Personally, I enjoy most of Mitchell's one-liner's, as I did O'Neill's.

Persephone
July 21st, 2006, 08:37 PM
Thoughts, random and on the spot:

I hope we'll see more episodes like this one. By that, I mean episodes where SG-1 goes to another planet, runs into trouble, and has to get out of it. LOL Particularly trouble not directly because of/ engineered by the Ori. I do wish that Doctor Rymer (sp?) hadn't died. The everybody-dies-but-our-heroes thing can get tired at times. Plus, it was the guy from Window of Opportunity! I mean, he should get to live, right? Honorary perk of being the key guest star in one of the most popular episodes of Stargate in history? LOL

Vala, as usual, had me in stitches. I could see the "loyalty" test thing coming a mile away, of course, but who cares? She didn't, and that's the key. I have to say, though, the funniest part was the polygraph scene. I should have seen it coming that the machine would react when she tried to flatter the shrink, but I didn't.

Speaking of Vala, I think the fact that she's not "officially" part of SG-1 might relieve some of the people up in arms about her permanant presence on the show.

I missed most of Daniel's exposition!ramble because I was laughing at Mitchell's Monty Python reference. Also, did he call the little lizard Job as in Bible Job, or was that just me?

Overall, not the deepest, most riveting episode ever, but structurally it felt a lot more like the Stargate formula we know and love than a great deal of last Season. And it made me laugh, far more than I expected an episode about trying to fight off sleep would do. Two and a half stars.

npattis
July 21st, 2006, 08:44 PM
Yes definately nice to see the Stargate formula back.

the fifth man
July 21st, 2006, 08:46 PM
Yes definately nice to see the Stargate formula back.

Personally, I never really thought it was gone in the first place. But that's just me.:)

star47
July 21st, 2006, 08:48 PM
I'd easily give this episode a 8 or 9/10. I really enjoyed it all around.:) Great team interaction, good story, and Vala was hilarious. I'm glad she passed the evaluation on her own, without Woolsey's "help". This season, IMO, is off to a tremendous start.

My feeling exactly! Great show and great start to the season so far.

Gater_Gurl
July 21st, 2006, 08:53 PM
The whole bit with Woosley at the end was priceless. Excellent episode.
I agree!

Also, did anyone else notice that the actor who played the doctor who had the heart attack was the same one who played Malaki(sp?), the alien scientist from Window of Oppertunity?

Flock
July 21st, 2006, 08:53 PM
First let me say, you started out great in the season premier. All the major characters got a chance to really shine and no one dissapointed me. They finally let Mitchell step up and play a leader, gave his character a some depth, (something I find lacking in the other major players, except Valla), it was great and I could hardly wait for tonights show. What happened? I kept waiting for it to get good, it never did. The writer that gave Mitchell the line "Deader than a Texas salad bar" and the Duce Bigalow line, should be shot! Well, maybe not shot, but definately punished. I'm Ben Browder fan and I've seen him deliver one liners and Pop Culture reference, He's great at it but you've got to give him something to work with. If he's the leader, let him lead. I didn't like this episode. If it weren't for the cute factor, (the major male players are beyond CUTE) I wouldn't keep watching. Well that's not true. I'd watch just to see the Cute guys.

the fifth man
July 21st, 2006, 08:54 PM
I agree!

Also, did anyone else notice that the actor who played the doctor who had the heart attack was the same one who played Malaki(sp?), the alien scientist from Window of Oppertunity?

Yep, I did. It was nice to see him again.:) It's been quite a few years since he appeared in Season 4's "Window of Opportunity".

Osiris-RA
July 21st, 2006, 08:57 PM
But what, O'Neill's were fine?:p Personally, I enjoy most of Mitchell's one-liner's, as I did O'Neill's.
Well, I dunno, Jack had this awesome comic timing. Mitchell's one-liners, to me, just kind of go...*thump*. :S

Nolamom
July 21st, 2006, 09:04 PM
One of my favorite lines: "Daniel will cover me until I get my share of the loot...what, I have to wait until I'm off of probation until I start collecting?" She doesn't quite get it yet. But she will. She will.

the fifth man
July 21st, 2006, 09:08 PM
One of my favorite lines: "Daniel will cover me until I get my share of the loot...what, I have to wait until I'm off of probation until I start collecting?" She doesn't quite get it yet. But she will. She will.

Great line.:) Sure, SG-1 will change her even more, but I doubt completely. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. Vala will definitely keep the rest of them on their toes.

starfox
July 21st, 2006, 09:15 PM
I really don't have much of an opinion on this ep, which is odd, because it's rare for an episode to just do nothing for me. All of the things that struck me about this episode were just the little character squees I do for every episode, or every time I see the characters do something especially them. Storywise, I felt nothing.


(although, yay Vala! There was a definite childish innocence angle with her this ep that Claudia Black pulls off rather well, I'm looking forward to seeing her in the rest of the season.)

Not_The_MaMa
July 21st, 2006, 09:16 PM
Great line.:) Sure, SG-1 will change her even more, but I doubt completely. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. Vala will definitely keep the rest of them on their toes.


That's one thing I'm really looking forward to this season is how Vala's interaction with SG1 will change, and develop as they become closer.

L.A. Doyle
July 21st, 2006, 09:18 PM
Good ep. Definitely better than last week's. You know, I'd even watch it again. I'm glad I can say that. :D

munciefan
July 21st, 2006, 09:19 PM
unless I missed it, did no one else catch Vala references to blade runner?

It was when she was reading aloud the question about the tortoise in the desert

lissa1000
July 21st, 2006, 09:20 PM
Vala really stood out in this episode. I said I was going to leave GW, but I had to come back to say how much I loved this episode. OK, the end was a little thrown together, but overall it was great. :)

the fifth man
July 21st, 2006, 09:22 PM
Vala really stood out in this episode. I said I was going to leave GW, but I had to come back to say how much I loved this episode. OK, the end was a little thrown together, but overall it was great. :)

Glad you came back then.:)

MasySyma
July 21st, 2006, 09:23 PM
I hate to say it, but my reaction to this episode is a great big meh.

It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either.

I have to admit that I loved Vala. She had the best lines, and I'm glad that she proved trustworthy. Her revenge at the end was also priceless. I enjoy the way Laudry appreciates her presence without letting her know that he wants her around. I also enjoyed Daniel's support of her at the end.

I also liked the cute scene at the end where the team talks about their lack of sleep, but more on that later.

I did enjoy that Sam did not save the day on this one. While I agree that we needed to see the scene with Laudry sending the calvary over, I am glad that the lead team needs rescuing every now and then to remind us that they are human.

That said, I also have a few complaints about this episode.

The writers missed a HUGE chance for character development, and I mean HUGE!!! People who are that low on sleep get jittery, become paranoid, and hallucinate. These people should have become rambling morons before passing out. The characters could have confessed to all kinds of things only to leave them in the void of hallucinations. They could have said anything, and we wouldn't be able to trust their credibility. We could have learned that Sam and Jack got married last year or that Teal'c is afraid of little pink bunny rabbits, but no, our guys just groaned and fell over, thereby becoming very boring.

Secondly, the alien parasite/bug thing has been done before and been done before by this show. The plot was silly, contrived, and did little to advance the arc. It was also a poor use of a stand alone episode.

I'll give it a 6/10. It would probably get a 7/10 if I wasn't having to notice the time dragging between obnoxiously loud SciFi commercials.

I realize that every episode in a season can't be wonderful, so I'm looking toward next week for good television. I didn't find it tonight, but I need to go right my SGA post first.

L.A. Doyle
July 21st, 2006, 09:28 PM
I did enjoy that Sam did not save the day on this one. While I agree that we needed to see the scene with Laudry sending the calvary over, I am glad that the lead team needs rescuing every now and then to remind us that they are human.


Actually, I enjoyed that Mitchell didn't save the day in this one.

To me, everyone did their parts and in the end, even SG-1 needs some help sometimes. :)

Oh, yeah-missed opportunites for character development! I agree.

JUNIOR
July 21st, 2006, 09:30 PM
The primary story was great! It reminded me of "the old SG-1", as some people might say, but the secondary story IMO was even better!! The interaction between Vala with the psych. and with Woosley at the end was priceless. IMO this was one of the best Vala episodes to date. I just hope she and the other characters stay as interesting as they have been so far.

the fifth man
July 21st, 2006, 09:32 PM
The primary story was great! It reminded me of "the old SG-1", as some people might say, but the secondary story IMO was even better!! The interaction between Vala with the psych. and with Woosley at the end was priceless. IMO this was one of the best Vala episodes to date. I just hope she and the other characters stay as interesting as they have been so far.

Definitely one of Vala's finest eps so far.:)

As for the other characters staying interesting, I don't think that will be a problem at all.

Kem Rixen
July 21st, 2006, 09:34 PM
I don't know, I didn't really like this episode. There were a few good parts, but the plot seemed really familar. I'm not really a fan of the dark, depressing village thing either. Oh well. The scenes with Vala really made the episode worth while to watch, as well as a few of Mitchell's comments.

Captain-Peregrine
July 21st, 2006, 09:36 PM
I thought this was the best episode I've seen in well over a year--minus season nine's Ethon. I thought it was tense enough to keep you watching, with enough funny lines and breaks to keep you from getting too worked up.

I loved Vala's part. I will admit that at first I was very unhappy when I heard that she was becoming a main character because she had been becoming so much more serious by the end of season nine. But after tonight I realize that she still has her quirky, mischevious (spelling, I know) self and I hope that that will really add some nice character interaction to the team.

I also love seeing how many re-used actors I can identify in an episode. I saw Malaki (spelling?) right away in the previews and I just about laughed my butt off.

All in all, I thought this was an excellent episode and thus far I have very, very hight hopes for the rest of the season. I am very much looking forward to it.

Hubble
July 21st, 2006, 09:50 PM
This was one of the worst episodes I've ever seen. THe whole sleeping village was sooo boring. Couldn't they liven it up with some interesting conversation between team members? Or something?! Nothing really happend. And SG-1 never did figure out the solution. Someone else came in and solved their problem. THat is terrible storytelling. Terrible. How about showing us some of those hallucinations? That would've been interesting. How about some urgency? As it was, the team members fell asleep and were okay. The lizard was just stupid. And the copout ending where they explained what happend to us the audience was totally lame.

And I thought Vala's "psych" evaluation was the silliest thing. I didn't find it funny or interesting at all. Just stupid.


This episode isn't in my worst category, but I did think it was boring, silly, poorly written and would not bother to watch it again. Ditto on the points you made and the quick copout ending left me thinking I'd missed a scene or two. I also thought they tried too hard to make Vala "cute and endearing" during that psych evaluation; I found her to be neither. It was just way too "staged" for my tastes.


At least Eureka was good beforehand.

I agree. I missed it the first time around and really enjoyed it.

Galilahi
July 21st, 2006, 09:51 PM
i'm a little on the fence about this one.

cam's cornpone charm is starting to wear a little thin. that's saying a lot because i love BB.

i really hope that TPTB explore the Teal'c & Mitchell's relationship more. those boys have timing!!

Claudia Black rocks my pants right off! her performace is pure joy. i love the irreverence. can you see her and sam having a girl's night?

i'm looking forward to the rest of the season!

GreyFox
July 21st, 2006, 10:03 PM
awful ep cept vala scenes.

a 3/10

now looking foreward to pegasus project

Dani347
July 21st, 2006, 10:12 PM
Boo! My tape is messed up right up until Daniel tells Landry about how Hammond let Teal'c join SG1, despite being First Prime of Apophis (and hey, reference to very early episode). So, up to then, it's like SG1 on supersonic speed. (Imagine how fast Daniel talks then)

And, I missed there was a Daniel and Teal'c scene. Also cute how Daniel gives off these tidbits of mythological info, and looks at people with this expectant face, because he just never realizes that people don't know what he's talking about until he explains. He looked like that when he told Teal'c the cave was home to Morgan Le Fay. It was like, "and we know what that means, don't we?" Then, he had to remind himself, no, Teal'c wouldn't know what it meant. And, although Daniel didn't contribute (as far as I recall) to the solution of the problem at hand, all that running back and forth from the library led them to another piece of finding the Ancient weapon, so he was effective. And, I can't complain when he spends most of his time with his nose buried in a book.

I really would have liked to have seen some hallucinations (I know I said it before) and confessions although, I could do without any marriage stuff thing whatever. But, this had some very nice team moments and they used that round spinny thing. I forget the name.

I thought Mitchell was good, professional, he came off leader-y to me in attitude, even if there wasn't any big leader type stuff that needed to be done. He still has crappy movie taste (one second, and he should have turned that movie off) but that's a minor thing. And, crappy movie taste is just a little tiny addition to his character right now, instead of another going into his past. But, but, that movie. Yuck. He and Teal'c worked well together, and since people have mentioned he doesn't listen, there was also him listening to Teal'c saying someone should go back to send the samples to WoO Doc (thanks whoever said that's where I'd seen him before). And, I liked how both he and Teal'c came to the same conclusion with the lizard type thing.

The Vala stuff didn't thrill or annoy me. It just felt separate from the main story. Which it was, but it just seemed blatantly split. I guess this is how they're going to deal with the burden of 5 people? But, I do prefer Vala be the one to be split off, because she's not part of the team. I know it's not going to be like that all the time, but it made sense. (although now I'm wondering about the psych evaluations that the others had to go through)And, a complaint I've had for awhile. Vala seems way too much like someone who's spent years on Earth. If she wasn't an alien, it wouldn't matter, but she's an alien. In season 1, Teal'c had his alien-ness, but if it weren't for knowing Vala is from another planet, i wouldn't know she was from another planet.

It was nice to see Daniel and Sam take turns supporting each other to stay awake, but they missed the chance for an actual angsty scene. Since Sam kept trying to revive the doctor, but couldn't do it, she could have been feeling bad and Daniel could have comforted her. Although, I don't know why she would be feeling any more bad over that than she would normally feel over someone dying, but it would have been nice and fit into what happened. Although, I guess they were too sleepy to do much angsting anyway.

nyxlily
July 21st, 2006, 10:13 PM
I'm in the 'like' category. The only thing holding me back from 'love' was the abrupt ending.

Me being a Daniel fan.. I absolutely adored him in this episode. It's true that this Daniel was like the Daniel of old.. eager to explore.. enthusiastic at the finds.. following far fetched clues. He was doing research, yay!

I know the whole 'psyche test' was staged too. It felt like it from the beginning.. however, I liked her reactions and how she thought she could 'win' this. What I found a little hard to believe was the fact SHE couldn't spot the intention of Woosley, what with her being so resourceful a thief and liar who relied on her instinct and intuition to survive a dangerous galaxy. CB did a great job of conveying her character's emotions on being singled out/not accepted. I was convinced Vala really wanted to be part of the team.

I thought Mitchell's one-liners were funny. The knight who went 'nee' was unexpected.. though I should have seen it coming sooner or later. 'Joe Bob' had me in giggles. Maybe I'm just easily amused.

Teal'c DID something! We really saw his strength and resolve in this episode. He was the last to fall.. and only because the other team was there and he knew they'd know the animal he carries hold some meaning. At least that's my take.

Sam.. I kept looking for her to speak up but she sadly had very few lines.. and she seemed to be in the background more than last episode. Maybe that's just me. I also kept looking for her to interact with Vala.. but NOTHING. We have yet to see Sam even talk to her one on one this season. I really really want to see how they will fit together.. as friends or barely civil acquaintance. I'm shooting for friendship.. I miss the friendship she had with Janet.. and even though this won't be the same, I just want Sam hang out with another woman again.

The ending was so abrupt, I was left thinking.. what the heck? Did I miss a segment? I hope they didn't sacrifice a more fulfilling ending in order to get Vala's scenes in. While I thought they were funny, they were secondary to the plot and COULD have been made shorter without too much damage.

Also, the Woosley setup: I personally thought it'd be fun if they left what Vala decided ambiguous. Whether she passed on her own or Woosley had a hand in it.. we'd be left wondering, in future episodes, where her loyalty truly lies. That's just me, of course.

I can NOT wait for next week's episode.. especially after I saw the clip on aol. It should be a fun one!
Pegasus Project:

Daniel, looking at the 'hologram': You're not really a hologram, are you?
'Hologram' glances down and makes eye contact with him.

I'm really looking forward to it.

ETA: I forgot one thing I wanted to mention: I'm really enjoying Woosley now. He has grown on me! I was afraid he'd be another civilian 'bad guy' like Kinsey.. but we actually got to see his progression from antagonist to.. well, less annoying and more on our side.

majorsal
July 21st, 2006, 10:27 PM
it was alright. i rated it 'fair', like i did with the season premier.


things i liked:

sam. always sam.

the creepy atmosphere.

co-lead. i saw co-leading going on. :D

vala was not only toned down again, but likeable. i actually *liked* vala.

mitchell was toned down again. he acted mature and like someone that would actually be on an sg team. i hope this continues.

landry was amusing and 'feels' like a leader. i felt that way about him from the get-go.



things i didn't care for:

vala's last lines about the sexual harassment thing with woolsey.

mitchell being leader. whether i see the co-leading, he's still the official leader. should have never happened.



officially, a good ep. nothing 'great', but something i'll fastforward through to my fave scenes. but still entertaining enough.

unofficially, get rid of mitchell and i'll like this show more. he ruins *my* fantasy for sam leading sg1 *again*.

also, i wonder if i'll ever see another *sam episode* again???






sally :sam:

DEM
July 21st, 2006, 10:29 PM
I had the paradoxical reaction of being both bored and hyper-aware at the same time. I was bored because, well, did anything happen? I was hyper-aware because EVERY SINGLE BIT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL SCIENCE WAS MINDBLOWINGLY BAD!

I swear to Cupid, it was not humanly possible for the writers to have gotten more clinical and neuro facts backwards. :S My head hurt trying to 'inverse-translate' the technospeak.

Vala = not funny to DEM. :shrug: And Mitchell's one-liners = sound of one lead balloon falling.

However, of good note, despite the widespread perception of more manly-man, take-charge, good on ya mate Leadershipness on Mitchell's part, I see that Landry (and others) still address Carter as of equal rank. (Frankly, I think it would be difficult for the regular actors not to show respect and/or deference to AT's character -- even if it goes no further than including her in a 'nod'. Despite the Company Line, the situation's gotta be weird for all of them on some level.)

Dani347
July 21st, 2006, 10:31 PM
Me being a Daniel fan.. I absolutely adored him in this episode. It's true that this Daniel was like the Daniel of old.. eager to explore.. enthusiastic at the finds.. following far fetched clues. He was doing research, yay!

Makes me even madder that my tape messed up the beginning. Still, a lot of Daniel doing the research stuff in what I did get.





Teal'c DID something! We really saw his strength and resolve in this episode. He was the last to fall.. and only because the other team was there and he knew they'd know the animal he carries hold some meaning. At least that's my take.

Well, true he did something, and was pretty much the hero with hanging on to that animal, I thought he was the last to fall because the tretonin gave him a little extra oomph that the others didn't have.


I also kept looking for her to interact with Vala.. but NOTHING. We have yet to see Sam even talk to her one on one this season. I really really want to see how they will fit together.. as friends or barely civil acquaintance. I'm shooting for friendship.. I miss the friendship she had with Janet.. and even though this won't be the same, I just want Sam hang out with another woman again.

Hopefully they'll have them interact in some later episode. I thought of a possible scenario, but it's frighteningly shippy -no, not Sam, and Vala ship, although the way I see it, it could destroy any ship possibilities, which is good. But, it's all in my head, so it has no bearing on anything, so ignore me. If they get off the Daniel and Vala as a set (which they weren't in this episode) they may try to come up with ideas for Sam and Vala interacting, and what they would do. Later season 10 spoilersWe know Vala and Mitchell spend some time together.

I do like that when they let Mitchell and Vala talk to each other, there is no trace of any Crichton/Aeryn in them.

Oh yeah, huge complaint that has nothing to do with characters or stories. Get some money for a lighting budget. I could barely SEE the freaking episode.

majorsal
July 21st, 2006, 10:33 PM
The writers missed a HUGE chance for character development, and I mean HUGE!!! People who are that low on sleep get jittery, become paranoid, and hallucinate. These people should have become rambling morons before passing out. The characters could have confessed to all kinds of things only to leave them in the void of hallucinations. They could have said anything, and we wouldn't be able to trust their credibility. We could have learned that Sam and Jack got married last year or that Teal'c is afraid of little pink bunny rabbits, but no, our guys just groaned and fell over, thereby becoming very boring.



will you please become a writer for stargate sg1? please. PLEASE.






sally :)

nyxlily
July 21st, 2006, 10:43 PM
Later season 10 spoilersWe know Vala and Mitchell spend some time together.

Ooh.. I read in the TV guide today:
We will see 'sparks' between Vala and Cam during the class reunion episode. The way they put 'sparks' though is a bit ambiguous.. it could mean romance or simply lots of explosions. I really really don't think we need another ship (is it me or are SG writers really bad at writing romance?).. but if it happens, at least the writers won't drag Daniel down with it.

Totally unrelated: In the beginning (btw, sorry about your tape!) Vala seemed actually helpful to Daniel.. I guess she's trying to win his trust and favor.. which seems to be working as he appeared less annoyed by her. Which reminds me! She said there was one person in the SGC who actually trusts her or sees her for who she is.. but she didn't name names.. I'm assuming she meant Daniel.

ETA: I agree with everyone who wanted hullucinations. I mean, the title 'Morpheus' alone should have hinted at some sort of dream sequence for our characters.. but we saw nothing. It really would have been interesting :/ Although I'm sure the fanfics are springing up as we speak.

Dani347
July 21st, 2006, 10:53 PM
Ooh.. I read in the TV guide today:
We will see 'sparks' between Vala and Cam during the class reunion episode. The way they put 'sparks' though is a bit ambiguous.. it could mean romance or simply lots of explosions. I really really don't think we need another ship (is it me or are SG writers really bad at writing romance?).. but if it happens, at least the writers won't drag Daniel down with it.

I don't think they mean sparks as in ship -they'd better not. No ship. No ship. Just that the actors themselves spark together.



Totally unrelated: In the beginning (btw, sorry about your tape!) Vala seemed actually helpful to Daniel.. I guess she's trying to win his trust and favor.. which seems to be working as he appeared less annoyed by her. Which reminds me! She said there was one person in the SGC who actually trusts her or sees her for who she is.. but she didn't name names.. I'm assuming she meant Daniel.

Oh, yeah, it has to be Daniel. Who else has she interacted with on a regular basis, except maybe Landry? And, for anyone wondering, I didn't read that as shippy at all.

Something I just realized. Daniel had some one on one time with everyone in the cast. Wish he had a little more time with Mitchell (I'm still waiting for some episode where he and Mitchell spend some extended time together -no, TFH2 doesn't count, because that was MS and BB, not Daniel and Mitchell), but there was still the scene where he wanted to stay looking through books and Mitchell had to tell him to go. Not to mention Mitchell dragging him away when he was telling Vala to stay off his computer. And, the scene with Teal'c, talking about Morgan le Fey, and the later scenes with Sam, plus the scene in Landry's office.

Gate gal
July 21st, 2006, 10:56 PM
I loved tonight's episode! I enjoyed the Vala psych test, and I loved the way Landry used Woolsy to test her. It was nice to have that humor since the main story was pretty dark. Not that I'm complaining, because I loved the main story as well. I thought that it was a great team episode with everyone getting some screen time. (Kudos to the studio for pulling that off!) I loved that Teal'c managed to save the day. I loved Daniel and Landry's scene at the beginning. I loved the back history mention of Hammond and Teal'c's early days. I would have liked a phone call between Landry and Jack over Vala, but its o.k. I loved the scene between Sam, Teal'c, and Cameron where they were popping the caffiene pills. I also loved their interaction in the cave. I felt like we actually saw Sam being Sam, Daniel being Daniel, and Teal'c being Teal'c. It was just a really good episode all the way around. Last week was good, but this was better.

memnarch
July 21st, 2006, 10:59 PM
Good episode. Not great, but it's the second episode in and those usually go to filler and/or bottle scripts anyway. Look at Lockdown in Season 8. I liked that they wasted no time in looking for Merlin's weapon, especially after it wasn't even MENTIONED in the season opener. At this rate, they'll probably visit the other two planets sometime during this season. I'm loving the Arthurian mythology by the way. One of my favorites. Anyway, good team moments throughout and I loved Vala's psych evaluation. It really showed how much she doesn't feel as if she belongs anywhere, the way she felt threatened by the psch guy's test. I also liked how she came through in the end. Mitchell's reaction was also appropriate, if a little harsh. I agree with some people that yes it did plod and the solution was a bit contrived, but I knew going in that it would be a filler episode. Not every episode can have epic space battles.

Overall, I'd give it 2.5/4 stars:)

smushybird
July 21st, 2006, 11:06 PM
This is the first time I've commented on an SG1 ep (usually only post about SGA, since I like it better), but I really enjoyed SG1 today, first time in a long time. Vala was a big part of the reason, I think. She seems a little toned down and she's sweet, funny, quirky. I really like her now and think she'll make a good addition to the team. Loved the tortoise bit. :D

Loved the rest of the ep too. Felt more team-y than eps of late and I like the team stuff best (better than the political convolutions).

DEM
July 21st, 2006, 11:08 PM
p.s. Oh, all right: Good job trying to bring back the teaminess. :p

Dani347
July 21st, 2006, 11:14 PM
Reading these threads always makes me feel shamefully unobservant. There's always something that someone says was so obvious. This time, it was the fact that the whole spy thing from Woolsey was a test. I thought it was true right up until Woolsey admitted it at the end. There goes my career as a private detective:P

yowo
July 21st, 2006, 11:26 PM
:jack: :sam: :tealc: :daniel:


I like this episode pretty good. I was glad to see more of Sam than last season.
I didnít like the fact that we didnít get to see them solve the problem and get well.
I did love the moment between Sam and Daniel when they were trying to keep each other awake.
I loved the line that Sam said ďand you said I was hard to understandĒ.
I think they all did a wonderful job of acting so very tired.
Amanda was wonderful as usual.
Chris did an outstanding job, and Michael was great.
I loved that they seemed more like a team in this episode.

esoap524
July 21st, 2006, 11:27 PM
But, now, I want an episode where SG1 has hallucinations. That would have been interesting to see.

I'm up for that and a Vala/Carter body switch. I know it's stupid but I think it'd be a hoot to see Tapping and Black go for it.

At any rate...a bit sleepy given the sleepiness of the whole thing ;) I did like most of the Vala moments, although it might have been fun to see her a little craftier with the psychologist. I thought the beginning was a hoot, with bouncy, enthusiastic Daniel and servile, "let me hand you a book" Vala, thinking that was all she neded to do in order to join the team.

I liked that she's not a member of SG1, but is under probation to SGC. I wasn't too sure about the temper tantrum but, in retrospect, yeah, that's sort of Vala-like, although I really liked last week's slightly more mature Vala better.

I'm liking Cam's colloquialisms and the return of the southern accent. Cam and Teal'c always make me laugh because they're so different. And there's something about Teal'c chasing after an iguana...speaking of teams, I'm looking forward to some Carter/Vala moments; they are the two women on the team and I did catch that look Carter gave her when Teal'c announces the threat that Adria is bringing across the galaxy.

ah...pretty average overall, probably a C. Didn't hate it, didn't love it.

Imgnryflagdotcom
July 21st, 2006, 11:31 PM
40 Hours awake.... wow

Anyways, I liked the change of scenery in this ep. And what I liked the best was the scenes with Vala and the test she had to take. I also liked how she said Woolsey made sexual advances when giving her the option to spy for him, I think it showed Woolsey who not to mess around with, it'll keep him on edge.

The.Prior.of.The.Ori
July 21st, 2006, 11:34 PM
this was an excellent show, my only gripe is that we didnt see what happens when they cured sg-1 9 and 3/4ths out of 10:cool: :zelenka25:

Hatusu
July 21st, 2006, 11:58 PM
I That said, I also have a few complaints about this episode.

The writers missed a HUGE chance for character development, and I mean HUGE!!! People who are that low on sleep get jittery, become paranoid, and hallucinate. These people should have become rambling morons before passing out. The characters could have confessed to all kinds of things only to leave them in the void of hallucinations. They could have said anything, and we wouldn't be able to trust their credibility. We could have learned that Sam and Jack got married last year or that Teal'c is afraid of little pink bunny rabbits, but no, our guys just groaned and fell over, thereby becoming very boring.



An excellent commentary. I meant to say this myself and I'm annoyed at myself for forgetting. The episode really needed some tension and this scene presented a perfect opportunity. Instead we get to watch them fall asleep.

zzzzzzzz... That's me, not SG1. :P

Rex Marhiku
July 22nd, 2006, 12:29 AM
I was kind of hoping Teal'C would be immune to the parasite, as Jaffa do not sleep... do they? I could've sworn their version of sleep was kel'no'reem.

I'm basically repeating what alot of other people have already said, but yeah. I'm actually starting to like Vala more now... her bit with Daniel was priceless, we haven't really seen humor more involved than one liners since Jack's departure. Not that I mind one liners, though.

What I enjoyed: Daniel, Daniel's time with Sam, Daniel, Daniel's conversation with Vala, Daniel's conversation with Landry, the entire "psych test" subplot, Daniel, the fact that Teal'C did something, the fact that SG-1 did not save the day.

What I didn't: The total cop-out! The story's resolution took place entirely off camera. I felt no real sense of urgency once the haz-mat (sp?) team showed up... at all. And why did the Ancients randomly build a door to a cave that ultimately contained an alien lizard? I'm probably missing something there; if so could someone fill me in?

Complaints aside, I liked the episode more than I didn't like it. Three cheers to next week!

Happy_Gate
July 22nd, 2006, 12:44 AM
Anyone else catch the Blade Runner reference?
"You are in the desert, you see a tortoise lying on his back in the hot sun. You recognise his plight but do nothing to help. Why?
Right from the Voight-Kompff test. :P

Loved the Vala bits, but personally the whole ep felt like just a bridge into "The Pegasus Project".

GreyFox
July 22nd, 2006, 12:46 AM
NO to VALA/CAMshaft


Vala's Daniel's chick

morjana
July 22nd, 2006, 12:59 AM
TO THE MODS: My news post for last week's episode reviews was moved from News...and I was unable to determine WHERE it was moved to, so I guess this location.


TV Squad already has a review up for "Morpheus"



From TV Squad:

http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/07/22/stargate-sg-1-morpheus/

(Please follow the link for the complete review.)

Stargate SG-1: Morpheus
Posted Jul 22nd 2006 1:30AM by Will O'Brien

**snippity doo-dah**

Vala was pretty friggin' spry for someone who just had a kid. (This bothered me a bit until I remembered that her devil child healed her in the premier.) But Vala vs. the psychologist was great. She had him frustrated within just a few minutes. During her next session, Vala vs. the lie detector was just hilarious. My favorite scene was when she compliments the psychologist and the needles start going bonkers.

**snippage**

copyright © 2006, Weblogs, Inc.


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Morjana

AutumnDream
July 22nd, 2006, 01:49 AM
An extremely poorly structured, conceived, and written episode. The only good points were the creepy location and Vala... whose hair looks a good deal less cool than it did last week. The survival horror/Resident Evil type feeling of the "story" could have been played up way more. Then again, I don't imagine Stargate would ever get very "horrific". Just go halfway there and fizz out like it did in Morpheus.

The plot was blatantly juvenile.
-Conveniently located secret passages?
-Convenient, "Hey! Let's check the soil!"/"Wow! What a surprise, the answer is there!"
-Convenient discover of an animal who just happened to be wandering around in the secret passage, which they miraculously catch and use for the magic antidote. (Aka: Reset switch so they could end the episode)
-Everyone dies but the team members, who emerge without a scratch.
-It'd be nice if they mentioned what the ancients are every so often. It makes me cringe hearing them talk about Arthurian dribble as if the figures they're discussing are really wizards and such. Then again, with the poor structuring of the episode I doubt even a single extra line could have been fit in.
-Sam didn't seem very tired. In fact, one of the most noticable signs of sleep deprivation is an increase in frontal lobe activity, causing one to stutter and stumble over words very frequently. Didn't happen once in the episode.

3/10: Bleh. Stargate deserves better than this. Something went wrong somewhere in the production process. I've noticed Mallozzi's episodes have been considerably less enjoyable for some time now, but I would like to believe that the problem isn't him. >_>

sgeureka
July 22nd, 2006, 02:41 AM
All in all an average episode. Although I must say the contrast between the two "missions" (SG-1 vs. Vala) was sometimes a little too heavy (dark, slow and puzzling vs. fun; although neither one was boring). I think I would rewatch this episode just for the Vala scenes, but I have to admit I didn't really get what SG-1's part really was about, apart from Vogonbrei.

"You're walking alone in the desert when all of a sudden you see a turtoise lying on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun." Right when I heard desert, I thought Blade Runner! Great line. Very fitting. And I kept wondering what I would have said if someone had asked me this question. :confused: I'd probably have responded with another BR quote.

I'd agree with many people in this thread that the ending between "coffin" and "hey we got rescued" was a little off. OTOH, what could have been done? We've seen the alternate routes so often that this way was kind of refreshening as a creative choice. But it was still off.

I didn't see the Woolsey setup coming. I thought Woolsey was there as a red herring for the average viewer who'd think Vala would undermine the SGC in the following episodes, because that's what she usually does to other people. I'm glad that TPTB didn't write Woolsey again as the misled idiot he was at the end of S7, because that would have destroyed the integrity Woolsey has "earned" so far. Yes, he's still got his own agenda, but he has kind of grown to see that the SGC is not necessarily the antagonist to his actions.

I didn't get a single Monty Python reference. I've watched several MP movies, the Flying Circus, and I've got countless MP songs (okay, 15) in my playlist. Am I really that behind?

And the ending that admits Vala to the SGC but not to SG-1 was IMO a much better way to include a new alien on the show than what was done with Teal'c in S1. Even Jonas was on the team in the next episode - although Hammond kind of forced O'Neill to have him. It's gonna need time and they got the whole season to fill, so why not wait a couple of more episodes?

Finally, wow, that village looked awsome! It really looked like not-sound-stage. The VFX(?) JoeBob looked terrific as well. There was also one point where I thought, I don't remember ever hearing this piece of background music, so good job, Joel.


The writers missed a HUGE chance for character development, and I mean HUGE!!! People who are that low on sleep get jittery, become paranoid, and hallucinate. These people should have become rambling morons before passing out. The characters could have confessed to all kinds of things only to leave them in the void of hallucinations.TPTB are probably saving that for McKay. :rolleyes:


ETA: I agree with everyone who wanted hullucinations. I mean, the title 'Morpheus' alone should have hinted at some sort of dream sequence for our characters.. but we saw nothing. It really would have been interesting :/ Although I'm sure the fanfics are springing up as we speak.I'm just wondering now... what has the name Morpheus to do with the episode? To morph has something to do with (changing) forms or shapes. Did I miss something?

AutumnDream
July 22nd, 2006, 02:49 AM
TPTB are probably saving that for McKay. :rolleyes:

I'm just wondering now... what has the name Morpheus to do with the episode? To morph has something to do with (changing) forms or shapes. Did I miss something?

Yeah, cause' McKay would actually be able to act it.

And Morpheus is the god of dreams. :3

Dani347
July 22nd, 2006, 02:51 AM
Morpheus was the god of dreams in Greek mythology.

Agent_Dark
July 22nd, 2006, 03:30 AM
Hopefully they'll have them interact in some later episode. I thought of a possible scenario, but it's frighteningly shippy -no, not Sam, and Vala ship,
Hey, I'd go for Sam/Vala ship ;)

Dani347
July 22nd, 2006, 03:38 AM
Hey, I'd go for Sam/Vala ship ;)


Sorry. My idea had more to do with killing any Daniel/Vala ship.

Agent_Dark
July 22nd, 2006, 03:41 AM
Sorry. My idea had more to do with killing any Daniel/Vala ship.
Well, that does open the way for Sam/Vala :P

White Knight
July 22nd, 2006, 05:12 AM
Just watched the episode and thought it was great. Not as great as Flesh and Blood, but that's probably because of all the Vala scenes that served to make it more comedic and light-hearted.

Vala very much endeared herself to me in this episode. I've always thought she was amusing and made for great foil for Daniel, but this episode actually made me start caring about her character because I felt for the first time that we, the audience, had really gotten a glimpse of what goes on in her brain. Just the fact that she would work so hard to be accepted by the SGC and that she would turn down Woolsey's offer even though it seemed to be the only way that she could get into the SGC speaks volumes, and her yelling at the shrink in the corridor (I forget his name) where she ends up revealing exactly the sort of things that he wants to know and that would be important - probably without even realising it - had me grinning from ear to ear. And when she got back at Woolsey at the end, and his reaction...priceless.

In contrast, I thought the main SG-1 story was kinda weak, especially the dues ex machina ending. It seemed very clear to me that the A-story was simply a stepping stone to the next part of the seasonal arc with some hasty plot thrown over the top. As someone said earlier there was great potential for uninhibited character interactions in their sleep-deprived states (not that kind of interaction - get your mind outta the gutter!), but instead we had that parasite and the creature hunt and the ending that was just so unsatisfactory. Stargate's had its fair share of dues ex machinas but this has to take the cake in so many ways - at the last minute the SGC swoops in, rescues the team and figures out the rest of the cure? Just bad.

So, Morpheus in summary: a poor A-story that merely served as a stepping stone to getting to Atlantis was rescued by a great B-story that featured some great character beats for Vala. 6.5 out of 10, a 'great' on my scale ("Does your society include any adjectives other than 'great'?").

DEM
July 22nd, 2006, 05:20 AM
You know what this ep needed?


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/fraiser_frozen.jpg

;)

White Knight
July 22nd, 2006, 05:33 AM
You know what this ep needed?

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/fraiser_frozen.jpg
I think I've found a flaw in that idea.

Agent_Dark
July 22nd, 2006, 05:39 AM
You know what this ep needed?


http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i177/45130408/fraiser_frozen.jpg

;)
Rofl! My first reaction when the med team came through was 'OMG, that would have been Janet if those *******s hadn't of killed her off' :(:(:(

Vespasianus
July 22nd, 2006, 05:49 AM
This episode was simply boring. terribly boring.

Cameron Mitchel
July 22nd, 2006, 06:15 AM
All in all an average episode. Although I must say the contrast between the two "missions" (SG-1 vs. Vala) was sometimes a little too heavy (dark, slow and puzzling vs. fun; although neither one was boring). I think I would rewatch this episode just for the Vala scenes, but I have to admit I didn't really get what SG-1's part really was about, apart from Vogonbrei.

"You're walking alone in the desert when all of a sudden you see a turtoise lying on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun." Right when I heard desert, I thought Blade Runner! Great line. Very fitting. And I kept wondering what I would have said if someone had asked me this question. :confused: I'd probably have responded with another BR quote.

I'd agree with many people in this thread that the ending between "coffin" and "hey we got rescued" was a little off. OTOH, what could have been done? We've seen the alternate routes so often that this way was kind of refreshening as a creative choice. But it was still off.

I didn't see the Woolsey setup coming. I thought Woolsey was there as a red herring for the average viewer who'd think Vala would undermine the SGC in the following episodes, because that's what she usually does to other people. I'm glad that TPTB didn't write Woolsey again as the misled idiot he was at the end of S7, because that would have destroyed the integrity Woolsey has "earned" so far. Yes, he's still got his own agenda, but he has kind of grown to see that the SGC is not necessarily the antagonist to his actions.

I didn't get a single Monty Python reference. I've watched several MP movies, the Flying Circus, and I've got countless MP songs (okay, 15) in my playlist. Am I really that behind?

And the ending that admits Vala to the SGC but not to SG-1 was IMO a much better way to include a new alien on the show than what was done with Teal'c in S1. Even Jonas was on the team in the next episode - although Hammond kind of forced O'Neill to have him. It's gonna need time and they got the whole season to fill, so why not wait a couple of more episodes?

Finally, wow, that village looked awsome! It really looked like not-sound-stage. The VFX(?) JoeBob looked terrific as well. There was also one point where I thought, I don't remember ever hearing this piece of background music, so good job, Joel.

TPTB are probably saving that for McKay. :rolleyes:

I'm just wondering now... what has the name Morpheus to do with the episode? To morph has something to do with (changing) forms or shapes. Did I miss something?
Morpheus, as stated above, the god of dreams. You have dreams when you sleep.

immhotep
July 22nd, 2006, 07:07 AM
i really liked this episode, it was refreshing plot wise. And different, it felt alot like the episode on argo where jack ages alot but it was really good. It was slow in parts but that was fine because it was a sleep based episode.
Morgan le fay is getting more info in the following episode so i wasnt too concern about the vagueness and the characters was all really cool, vala has just added so much to this season already, im loving it.

Mr.Clark
July 22nd, 2006, 07:17 AM
Well I liked it. But then, I'm easily pleased...

I did like the Knights who say Ni reference... :D

I'm think they should give him a few lessons before they let Daniel around the Welsh language again though.

I cringed at that.

MasterPower
July 22nd, 2006, 07:19 AM
This episode was just okay for me. It had some suspense to it and it had me guessing. But when they were asking how that animal stayed alive, I knew that was going to be a cure. Hopefully some action episodes will be coming up.

I'm Just Sayin'
July 22nd, 2006, 07:37 AM
Am I the only one who did NOT like seeing the actor who played Malachi in WoO as one of the doctors??? Everytime I saw him on screen lines from WoO kept going through my head. I kept expecting Daniel to say "Malachi, the device deosn't work! - It never did" Or something like that. As WoO is probably one of the most popular episodes, it just seems wrong to bring that actor back as someone else.

Commander Jumper
July 22nd, 2006, 07:41 AM
is it just me........or is this season (so far) waay better than last season. This episode was pricless. Vala was so funny.....how she hit on the guy whiile hooked to a lie detector....pricless. I thought that it was quite suprising......i looked like it was going to be another run of the mill (like saeson nine) humorless episode....but I found the humor that has been so dificult to find in the past season. I loved it all.....I cried out "Nym" when Teal'c caught that animal......do I have problems??? any way....good ep......great acting...and frankly after I finished watching.....I was pretty eager to catch up with ole Morpheus myself. (not saying the episode was boring)

FoolishPleasure
July 22nd, 2006, 07:49 AM
Am I the only one who did NOT like seeing the actor who played Malachi in WoO as one of the doctors??? Everytime I saw him on screen lines from WoO kept going through my head. I kept expecting Daniel to say "Malachi, the device deosn't work! - It never did" Or something like that. As WoO is probably one of the most popular episodes, it just seems wrong to bring that actor back as someone else.
Interesting because WoO is one of my fav episodes yet my husband and I both kept saying, "Who IS that guy? Where have we seen him?" It wasn't until I came here and saw he was Malachi. *LOL*

Piernik
July 22nd, 2006, 08:14 AM
Wait a momment. Last episode ended like this:

"While Daniel and Vala deal with her daughter, the rest of the team joins Bra'tac and the Jaffa in an assault on three ships in orbit of the Jaffa planet Chulak.

Carter radios the Ori ships in the hopes of contacting any survivors of the Korelev. Daniel finds his radio and responds, assuring Sam that he made it okay. He and Vala hope to zat Adria and capture her."

What the hell?! I wanted to see what happened next!

Maj_Cliffhanger
July 22nd, 2006, 08:15 AM
Morpheus

Interesting premise. I enjoyed the episode and will definitely watch it again but agree with others that it could have been a little better.

The overall look of the episode was great. I loved the village and the progression of the makeup job was great. I loved the acting, Claudia and Micheal in particular drew me into their character's separate plights.

The science/technobabble made good sense Ė to a point. I liked the idea of a parasite that fed on melitonin. The ground work for this creature was great. Um... why didn't Daniel or Sam realize that it probably WAS a 'curse' by Morgan leFay? We've seen the Ori create bugs to destroy people. The Ancients could do it as well. This bug can't be native to the planet or people would have never been able to live there at all, let alone establish a village etc... Also, how did the parasite reproduce Ė that is of course the goal of all organisms. So, it goes into a host creature, gorges until it kills said creature and... then what? Dies? The creature Sam dug out of the one guy's brain looked rather dead to me. Kind of a self-defeating goal there... The fact that it is able to lodge in other parts of the body, such as the heart, was only vaguely hinted at. I would expect the victim to feel all kinds of pains and suffer small hemorrhages in other areas of the body as multiple organisms throughout the body grew and became lodged in smaller vessels. Maybe it was this realization that kept the writers from tying the doctor's death directly to the parasite... Another plot point I didn't understand was when Sam said it was possible to starve out the parasite and told Daniel they had to stop taking the stimulants. While I can see massive quantities of stimulants being dangerous, obviously, I didn't understand how stopping them would 'starve' the parasite out?

Okay, MajC, put the suspension of reality glasses back on.

The overall danger to SG-1 and accompanying scientists was well played and engrossing. Vala's subplot was an excellent contrast. Um... one little quibble... it would have been nice if there was some recognition of concurrent events between the two story lines. She apparently had absolutely no idea of what is going on with SG-1 Ė I can buy this. There is little reason for Landry to tell her Ė but I can't help think the overall episode would have had more depth if she'd known.

The ending was perfect and I was very glad that I taped it. My husband was laughing so hard I had to rewind it twice to hear everything clearly!

Overall grade: B+

Editted to add: My hubby just pointed out that the doctor's death might/could be ascribed to the overuse of stimulants inducing heart failure. That makes sense and works for me - but again I wish they'd made the connection more clear. I think I need to rewatch this episode. Such a hardship! *wink!*

CalmStorm
July 22nd, 2006, 08:25 AM
Am I the only one who did NOT like seeing the actor who played Malachi in WoO as one of the doctors???

I really did not care for that selection either. I love that the stargate shows reuse actors/actresses and are somewhat loyal to them. However, when they use a notable character twice, I would prefer it to be in a circumstance where the actor is hardly identifiable. It's just hard for me to see them outside of their original character.

In an SGA episode, they reused the actor who played Elliot. It was hard to view him as a brand new character in the SGA episode because I kept seeing him as Elliot and not the new character Keras. Also in SGA they reused the actor who played Narim, and it was a bit weird seeing the exact same person as another character.

Anyhow, I have to say that I absolutley love Vala and her addition to the cast. I think she is going to bring some very good humor to the show. I think that this episode in particular realy showed how intelligent she is.

Also, at first I really did not like the character of Landry. In fact, he really did not make a good impression on me at all in his first season on the show. However, I have to say I have really warmed up to him in this new season! I loved him in the premier of SGA and his interraction with Weir and I loved him in this episode and his interaction with Vala and Daniel.

SG-25CSAR
July 22nd, 2006, 08:25 AM
ETA: I forgot one thing I wanted to mention: I'm really enjoying Woosley now. He has grown on me! I was afraid he'd be another civilian 'bad guy' like Kinsey.. but we actually got to see his progression from antagonist to.. well, less annoying and more on our side.
Woosley asking Vala to spy for the IOA?? I new that was a trick. If they wanted to convince us that the IOA did want to use Vala as a spy they should of used another repersantitive. Why? well...Woosley IS the SGC's spy to the IOA. He tells them everything that the IOA is up to, More than he should. So I didn't buy it.
That and the speedy type end are the only things that I didn't like.

I missed that Round spinny thing that they have.

I liked how Vala was acting like a little school girl.

I like when Daniel is explaining Historical stuff to everyone REALLY really fast,Thats what I like about him.
And I loved that scene were Vala kindoff acuses Woosley of being a little too friendly...:vala:

Ace
July 22nd, 2006, 08:32 AM
I wasn't expecting too much out of this episode... the plot just didn't sound right. However I was pleasently surprised, it was a pretty decent episode.

But it wouldn't be an episode I would jump off my couch to grab to show a friend... But it was a pretty decent episode nonetheless

Ace

Maj_Cliffhanger
July 22nd, 2006, 08:34 AM
Whait a momment. Last episode ended like this:

SNIP

What the hell?! I wanted to see what happened next!

Um, I'm afraid you seem to have missed several minutes of the episode! This is NOT how it ended. As this is the Morpheus thread I won't rehash it. You may want to keep an eye out for the transcript when it comes out - or go ask about it over on the Flesh and Blood discussion thread.

ping-pong
July 22nd, 2006, 08:39 AM
I enjoyed 'Morpheus". The ghost-town village was dark, dank and creepy--especially with the skeletons found in one of the bedrooms.

Great team interaction--not only between the SG1 but also between SG1 and the other SG team that met up with them.

Mitchell was pretty good as a leader. He was serious and in command without acting 'tight'. I mean he still had that down-home humor which I like. I could care less what anyone else thinks about Mitchell, I like his character.

I liked seeing Daniel as the studious bookworm who gets excited at his discoveries and who just loves to share his discoveries with his team. Also liked how Daniel spoke up for Vala early in the episode when Landry refused to let Vala go with SG1.

Sam was pretty good. She was a great assistance to the doctor and was also a great support for Daniel--trying to keep him as well as herself, awake. I also liked when she and Daniel was being rescued and was put in those coffin-like pods Sam was still talking--warning the rescuers she couldn't sleep because of what would happen. The scene with the rescuers did look like they were pall bearers.

Vala, I just love her. She does bring a spark and a sassiness to SG1. I just knew she was going to give that psychiatrist a hardtime. That lie-detector test scene was hilarious, the way it zig-zagged like crazy when she was lying. I thought it was sweet the way she reacted when she found out she passed the evaluation. She was almost near tears. She really wants to be apart of SG1. I fell out laughing when she accused Woolsey of making sexual advances toward her and the look on Woolsey's face like "I swear, I didn't touch her" look and the look on Landry's face. LOL! !

Last, but certainly not least. I LOVED Teal'c in this episode. He was brave, he was wise and he really came through for the team despite being on his last legs. He reminded me of why I fell for his character in the first place. Also, I laughed when Teal'c hit that SG member on the side of the head to make him wake up. You could hear the lick he gave him. LOL!

Bobthespirit
July 22nd, 2006, 08:40 AM
I like that they're actually taking them through the gate as a team again.

But it seems kind of like they're just going back to their old bag of tricks.

'We think there may be a weapon capable of fighting the enemy at this address!'
'Wait, there's no weapon here! Just some horrible thing that could kill us all! Noooo!'

The used to be able to get away with doing that kind of plot because they were so effective at injecting personality into the 'jerk of the week' you didn't care the plot was predictable. But when it's just 'Oh no, we're all falling asleep and may never wake up!' and they don't even have to deal with some obnoxious idiot local who tries to get in their way, the formula becomes too transparent.

Stargate is a good show because of the character writing and tension between characters -- not because they come up with good premises.

Skydiver
July 22nd, 2006, 08:50 AM
woolsey's behavior was suspicious from the get go simply because, to this point, he's been pro sgc. not overtly pro, but definitely protectively or 'benefit of the doubt' pro.

thus having him make a quick 180 and be a mean horrible spy trying to destroy the sgc, was jus a bit off.

CalmStorm
July 22nd, 2006, 08:58 AM
woolsey's behavior was suspicious from the get go simply because, to this point, he's been pro sgc. not overtly pro, but definitely protectively or 'benefit of the doubt' pro.

thus having him make a quick 180 and be a mean horrible spy trying to destroy the sgc, was jus a bit off.

...but would Vala have known this?

When he came in and began speaking to her, to me, because of his character development so far, it seemed like a complete test for Vala.

betjam
July 22nd, 2006, 09:05 AM
Not my favorite episode. Seemed like filler for "how do we get Vala to be part of the SGC" and "how do we get Daniel to Atlantis." The sleeping sickness/death story had promise, but something was lacking. And the end with everyone standing in gateroom, squeezed into the shot, was a bit painful to watch (I did love Woosley's eyes popping out of his head after Vala's remark--that was priceless).

Caught the Monty Python reference, which was hard to catch considering all Daniel was saying. Liked Teal'c on patrol for those falling asleep (SLAP!). And funny to watch him run with that tail swinging from the blanket. Too bad he couldn't keep it as a pet.

Liked Daniel tying Hammond's support of Teal'c to Vala's case, but seemed odd the General would tell Daniel to keep an eye on her rather than order the team leader. Glad that was cleared up in end with Mitchell taking charge of telling Vala to behave.

I thought when Daniel brought up Atlantis, someone should have teased him about always wanting to go to Atlantis.

Mr.Clark
July 22nd, 2006, 09:10 AM
Am I the only one who did NOT like seeing the actor who played Malachi in WoO as one of the doctors??? Everytime I saw him on screen lines from WoO kept going through my head. I kept expecting Daniel to say "Malachi, the device deosn't work! - It never did" Or something like that. As WoO is probably one of the most popular episodes, it just seems wrong to bring that actor back as someone else.
They do that all the time. I think it's a bit cheesy too.

I couldn't place him until afterwards. I was thinking moustache, moustache, moustache, but couldn't put a name to it.

keshou
July 22nd, 2006, 09:18 AM
I thought Morpheus was a pretty decent episode-

The good:
* Team episode. Or at least it seemed that way to me. Everyone had something to do and although they were often separated on the planet they were working together and towards the same goal. And everyone seemed in character - Daniel excited and doing his research thing, Sam contributing on the science end, Mitchell contributing but not annoying me (much), Teal'c being the silent, stoic warrior who outlasted them all.

* Vala. I liked her here and she had the liveliest scenes on the show. Still snarky and unpredictable but they've dropped a lot of the sexual innuendo (except for that last scene with Woolsey - but that didn't bother me) and I think we're beginning to see a little more of the "real" Vala in a few scenes. I'm not sure WHY she wants to "fit in" but it seems to be a genuine desire on her part after witnessing her frustration when she thought she was alone in her room. The psychological examination was a little silly at times but I was fairly entertained. I especially like that they just didn't up and make her a member of SG-1 but classified her as a probationary member of Stargate Command. I thought Joe and Paul did a good job here addressing many of the concerns the fans had about integrating Vala into SG-1.

*Landry. Liked him much better this week than Flesh and Blood

*The set. Redressed village set made a very moody, creepy, abandoned village. Nice job by the set people.

*Tag scene. I love tag scenes because they often have some of the best character moments. This was a good one, from Vala's fit in the gateroom to the team heading off to dinner "on Vala"...on loan, of course, from all the "loot" she's going to be getting. ;) :) Good scenes between Mitchell and Vala, Vala and Daniel. Really needed a Sam/Vala scene though as she's the only team member who's never really interacted with Vala.

The mediocre to bad:

* Forgive the pun, but some of the stuff on the planet was so draggy that I nearly dozed off a few times. ;) Showing some of the hallucinations would have been a great way to make the affects of the parasite creepier and also allow more insight into the regular team members. As it was I never felt particularly worried or anxious for the team. And then it wrapped up in about 2 minutes.

--warning, snarky nitpick follows--

*"Deader Than a Texas Salad Bar". WTF? I've lived in Texas all my life and never heard that one. Anyone else? Why I'm offended on behalf of all the lettuce in Texas! ;) :) How about those old standbys: "Deader than a doornail" ......"Deader than a mackarel".....or even "Deader than Texas roadkill" (I could get behind that one!)

So not a bad episode - kind of an old-fashioned "SG-1 goes to a planet, gets in trouble and comes home". Next week's looks better from the previews.

I'd give Morpheus a 6 out of 10.

valaCB
July 22nd, 2006, 09:21 AM
I like this episode. It's started a little bit boring and continue to be intersting.
The Vala scenes was awesome and make this episode looks even more good. So many great moments with her. LOVE the scene in the end. bravo to Claudia She was fantastic! .

in the beginning of the episode, when daniel ran with his notebook, he looked so cute like a boy finding a pair of trousers

Like this epi more than the last one...
Waiting for next episode

Skydiver
July 22nd, 2006, 09:31 AM
...but would Vala have known this?

When he came in and began speaking to her, to me, because of his character development so far, it seemed like a complete test for Vala.
it doesn't matter if she knows it, we do.

which, since woolsey has always been on the side of the sgc, kinda made his whole 'we want you to be a spy' suspicious from the get go.

i know that woolsey was likely the only one they h ad handy, and heck since he's been in each eps this season, it was likely a convenience thing. the actor was there and handy so it probably made sense, it was just a bit awkward from the pov of a viewer is all

freyr's mother
July 22nd, 2006, 09:35 AM
It was a decent episode right up till the end. It felt like they ran out of time and the ending was a complete cop out. The entire solution enacted off screen and enough time to save their lives? Highly unlikely. I don't know that I'd buy it any more it it was actually presented in the episode but at least I could say I actually saw the magical event happen.

I loved that Mitchell's line about the knights that say 'nee'. That was amusing. There were some good moments in this episode I only wish the ending weren't so shifty.
I know what you mean. That's why I didn't like it. It was also one of the same old storylines. They get infected and they need to save themselves at the last minute. And we didn't even get to see the saving.

Skydiver
July 22nd, 2006, 09:45 AM
yep. J&PTS

Joe and Paul Tidy Syndrome. Wraps up a plot in 2 minutes or less. :)

Misbegotten suffered from the same issue

DEM
July 22nd, 2006, 10:05 AM
Joe and Paul Tidy Syndrome. ... Misbegotten suffered from the same issueThey wrote both eps? See, I still think they have too few writers for two shows. :S

Thermonuclearboy
July 22nd, 2006, 10:13 AM
"You're walking alone in the desert when all of a sudden you see a turtoise lying on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun." Right when I heard desert, I thought Blade Runner! Great line. Very fitting. And I kept wondering what I would have said if someone had asked me this question. :confused: I'd probably have responded with another BR quote.

I loved the Blade Runner reference. Always wondered what the right answer to that question was...assuming pulling out a gun and shooting the guy wasn't the right answer, that is.

LoneStar1836
July 22nd, 2006, 10:24 AM
*Yawn* That was a snorefest. I think the writers were trying to make us feel what SG-1 was feeling and put us to sleep. I didnít hate the episode, but it sure wasnít the best thing since sliced bread. Course the M&M boys wrote this one so I wasnít expecting anything too brilliant after I saw their names in the credits. Itís a shame the writing wasnít much tighter on this one. Could have been an interesting story, but the title of the episode was wasted on this one.

I canít believe Iím saying this but I think Valaís scenes were the highlight of the episode. This episode just seemed to drag. It had some good team interaction but the storyline was justÖ..well boring. And then it was resolved in like 30 seconds. Shoddy writing.


The writer that gave Mitchell the line "Deader than a Texas salad bar" and the Duce Bigalow line, should be shot! Well, maybe not shot, but definately punished. I'm Ben Browder fan and I've seen him deliver one liners and Pop Culture reference, He's great at it but you've got to give him something to work with.No they should be shot. And then shot again for good measure.

Yeah Ben can deliver great one-liners if they are good, but I shudder at some of the crap they give him to say on this show.

At first I wasnít sure what he even said when he delivered the Texas salad bar one so I had to catch it on the second airing to make sure I heard him right. Heck Iím from Texas and Iím still not quite sure I get it. (Kes, help me out here if you read this.) Is he referring to the number of dead animals you can find on an all-you-can-eat bar or that us Texans donít eat salad and avoid the salad bar like the plague and head for where the real food is, ie. all the dead animals. (Never mind I finally got to your reply and youíre just as puzzled as I am. :D I'd have gone for the Texas roadkill one, too. ;))

DEM
July 22nd, 2006, 10:26 AM
or that us Texans donít eat salad and avoid the salad bar like the plague and head for where the real food is, ie. all the dead animals.
That'n.

Mattathias2.0
July 22nd, 2006, 10:31 AM
I enjoyed this episode, but mostly the parts with Vala, as without her scenes in the SGC... The episode would have been a total bust.

Pros
- Vala's research on Daniel's computer.... classic moment
- Vala's statement about "the loot" at the end... LOL
- Vala saying Woolsey hit on her LOL
- Vala on probation

Cons
- How long has it been since the village has been wiped out?
- How did Joe Bob survive?
- What's at the end of that cavern?
- Considering humans are extremely different from lizards: How did they get the cure so quickly?

I did like the episode... but it was neither really good, or horribly bad.

Mattathias

too much ozone
July 22nd, 2006, 10:31 AM
I've read a lot of negative-ish comments here about the quick resolve ending...but I think I have to take the other side. We all know our hero's are going to come out of it just fine...and we all know how(the creepy lizard sealed behind a door deep in a cave). Since I know that, I don't really care to see all the medical science that was used to save them...I just wanted to see the angst the characters were going though...up to the last second....and that's what we saw. I thought the ending was well done.

ShardsofGlass
July 22nd, 2006, 10:34 AM
I actually liked all of Mitchell's lines in this ep. I was very disappointed, though, that Teal'c didn't have something funny to say when Mitchell mentioned that he'd stayed up to watch that Deuce Bigelow movie, especially since they've talked about movies already, and Teal'c obviously watches them quite a bit.

I think they spent way too much time with Vala. Did she need to talk to Landry twice and see the psychologist so many times? The planet storyline really needed a better ending, and they could've used some of Vala's time to finish the planet story better. Resolving the problem offscreen is just sooo bad, I can't believe the writers got away with that.

LoneStar1836
July 22nd, 2006, 10:36 AM
That'n.Yeah, I pretty much figured it was that one but it's still a stupid line. :mckay: I love my salad! Especially when it's topped with the tasty dead animals. :D

CalmStorm
July 22nd, 2006, 10:44 AM
it doesn't matter if she knows it, we do.

which, since woolsey has always been on the side of the sgc, kinda made his whole 'we want you to be a spy' suspicious from the get go.

i know that woolsey was likely the only one they h ad handy, and heck since he's been in each eps this season, it was likely a convenience thing. the actor was there and handy so it probably made sense, it was just a bit awkward from the pov of a viewer is all

I'm not entirely certain they were trying to fool the viewers familiar with the character that he is all of a sudden looking for a spy. I saw it as a test from the get-go. I don't think they were trying to really disguise that from the viewers. If anything, it made the scene that much more funny to me seeing him play the bad guy and knowing exactly what he was up to.

Jace021903
July 22nd, 2006, 10:46 AM
Enjoyable episode.

The highlights for me:

The team together. I am all about character interaction. :)

-Mitchell dragging Daniel backwards into the gateroom;

-any scene with Sam and Daniel--I'm a big Sam/Daniel friendshipper (emphasis on friend :sam: :daniel: ). "We have to rely on each other."

-Vala. Laugh out loud funny in several scenes. :vala:

-Landry. Love him. :)


I leave it to others to discuss the episode's weak points. And you know you will. ;)

keshou
July 22nd, 2006, 10:50 AM
Yeah, I pretty much figured it was that one but it's still a stupid line. :mckay: I love my salad! Especially when it's topped with the tasty dead animals. :D
Now there's a good Texas saying. ;) :) Glad I wasn't the only one scratching my head over the "salad bar" line. :cool:

I think I liked the episode better than you did - but then I have lowered expectations this year. ;) :)

Major Gambit
July 22nd, 2006, 10:51 AM
i liked that episode a lot. I dont care if it was a little slow. It was still very intersting. The only thing i didnt like is that they skipped ahead until they were cured.


Vala was hillarius :D


You look good today too!

Lie detector goes crazy :D

GhostPoet
July 22nd, 2006, 10:55 AM
*Yawn* That was a snorefest. I think the writers were trying to make us feel what SG-1 was feeling and put us to sleep. I didnít hate the episode, but it sure wasnít the best thing since sliced bread. Course the M&M boys wrote this one so I wasnít expecting anything too brilliant after I saw their names in the credits. Itís a shame the writing wasnít much tighter on this one. Could have been an interesting story, but the title of the episode was wasted on this one.

I canít believe Iím saying this but I think Valaís scenes were the highlight of the episode. This episode just seemed to drag. It had some good team interaction but the storyline was justÖ..well boring. And then it was resolved in like 30 seconds. Shoddy writing.

No they should be shot. And then shot again for good measure.

Yeah Ben can deliver great one-liners if they are good, but I shudder at some of the crap they give him to say on this show.

At first I wasnít sure what he even said when he delivered the Texas salad bar one so I had to catch it on the second airing to make sure I heard him right. Heck Iím from Texas and Iím still not quite sure I get it. (Kes, help me out here if you read this.) Is he referring to the number of dead animals you can find on an all-you-can-eat bar or that us Texans donít eat salad and avoid the salad bar like the plague and head for where the real food is, ie. all the dead animals. (Never mind I finally got to your reply and youíre just as puzzled as I am. :D I'd have gone for the Texas roadkill one, too. ;))


Well, I guess there's no accounting for taste with some people. :P I thought the episode was perfectly written. It was TRUE classic Stargate...but I guess some people must not like classic gate.

Dani347
July 22nd, 2006, 11:17 AM
Interesting, I liked the episode more the second time I watched. I guess, for me, this is an episode where the strength lies in the team-yness and the character feel. It was weak on plot, but I found myself not looking at it for the plot, but for seeing SG1 together, interacting with each other, caring about each other. And, that was great for me.

I can't think of another episode with the same mood that succeeds more on character interaction than plot, but it kind of puts me in the mind of both Space Race and maybe the beginning of Prometheus Unbound. I like Space Race for the team interaction and character moments, not the story. And, Prometheus Unbound is great for the scenes with Jack and Daniel, and Daniel and Hammond.

I think there were a few missed opportunities as far as plot, but I do like how Joe writes character interaction. And, I really didn't mind the quick wrap up. Now, if it had been something where a team member was by themselves, in trouble, and they skimped out on the getting them back, and the happy to see teammate back for a quickie joke at the end, I'd be howling. But, I saw that caring about each other before the rescue team came, so I didn't feel cheated that they went from being in the pods to chatting at the end.

Hatusu
July 22nd, 2006, 11:27 AM
Interesting, I liked the episode more the second time I watched. I guess, for me, this is an episode where the strength lies in the team-yness and the character feel. It was weak on plot, but I found myself not looking at it for the plot, but for seeing SG1 together, interacting with each other, caring about each other. And, that was great for me. ...

You know before this post, I wasn't at all, interested in seeing this episode again. You may have convinced me to give it a second try.

Dani347
July 22nd, 2006, 11:30 AM
You know before this post, I wasn't at all, interested in seeing this episode again. You may have convinced me to give it a second try.

Heh. Don't shoot if it still doesn't improve on a second try;)

NotAscended
July 22nd, 2006, 11:44 AM
First, thanks to the posters upthread who remembered the Blade Runner test and recognized Malachi. Must pull out my copies of those and rewatch!

While some folks didn't enjoy the parasite plot, I actually found it a refreshing change and realistic. When people go wandering to new places, you get all kinds of new nasty bugs. I have a lot of friends who travel to the tropics and that bug was nothing compared to some of the scary stuff they've come back with. It was nice to see TPTB use that more-or-less realistic basis for a plot.

The best part: Vala was great. I'm a big CB fan, but haven't entirely cared for the Vala character. I think this episode gave us much more insight into her character, from studying up for the psych exam and thinking it a game of wits against the tester to breaking through and showing us her desire to fit in and perhaps better herself. I thought CB played both the humor and angst well and felt it was the first time they really let the actress shine. I'll be rewatching just for those parts.

sarievenea
July 22nd, 2006, 11:45 AM
I was both genuinely excited and a bit disappointed by this episode. Being an avid Daniel/Vala shipper, I LOVED the going-to-Landry-for-her bit and the I-have-someone-who-believes-in-me bit. I am really excited that they toned down Vala's character a bit without losing the craziness that is her. I think she will work well with the team and as a part of the SGC this season.

I was also quite happy with the team-ness that seemed the focal point of the episode. The Sam-Daniel interaction was quite characteristic of the brother-sister relationship I see them having, and showing how they care deeply for each other without being romantically entangled in any way. The Teal'c-Cam dialogue was also good, showing that Cam has gone a long way to becoming a member of SG-1. Daniel just made me alternate between squealing and grinning the entire time, but that's normal.

That being said, I felt like Cameron Mitchell either needed to be put on a long time out or simply to be shot. He was cranky and rude and HARSH this entire ep, and after last week's dressing-down of Bra'tac, I am sorely disappointed with his character as written.

The plot was dry and awkward, with redshirts dying right and left and a sudden, chopped-off ending. I actually enjoyed the Vala-psych eval portion better, though Woolsey was a bit much after two hours of Stargate with him.

All in all, I thought the way Vala is being written into the SGC and the team as a unit was well done, though a certain character and the plot left much to be desired. Looking forward to the crossover--Vala in Atlantis? How great will that be?

DEM
July 22nd, 2006, 11:55 AM
Well, I guess there's no accounting for taste with some people. :P I thought the episode was perfectly written. It was TRUE classic Stargate...but I guess some people must not like classic gate.
OK, I understand your basic argument:

If you liked true, classic Stargate, then you'd like Morpheus.
You didn't like Morpheus, therefore you don't like true, classic Stargate.


What's tripping me up is the "classic Stargate" part. Are you saying:


You liked Morpheus because it was perfectly written, and
it was perfectly written because the plotting was true, classic Stargate.
You know that Morpheus was true, classic Stargate because you liked it.


OR


You liked Morpheus because it was true, classic Stargate.
It was true, classic Stargate because it was perfectly written, and
you know that Morpheus was perfectly written because you liked it.


???

:rolleyes:

Dani347
July 22nd, 2006, 12:01 PM
That being said, I felt like Cameron Mitchell either needed to be put on a long time out or simply to be shot. He was cranky and rude and HARSH this entire ep, and after last week's dressing-down of Bra'tac, I am sorely disappointed with his character as written.




I didn't see any overt crankiness, although being sleep deprived will do that to you. But, when was he rude or harsh?

I thought he was like he was in Avalon (minus the "bullets bounce" and "that's what I'm talking about" and I didn't expect that from someone who had no sleep) or The Scourge, some of my favorite episodes for Mitchell.

ShardsofGlass
July 22nd, 2006, 12:14 PM
Yeah, Mitchell is the same as he was last season in the more serious episodes like The Scourge, Ethon, Camelot, Collateral Damage, Avalon, etc. He was just sleep deprived in the end, and in the beginning they'd just received Teal'c's news about 6 more planets falling to the Ori. I saw him as acting like someone would under those circumstances.

Farscapefan
July 22nd, 2006, 12:27 PM
First, thanks to the posters upthread who remembered the Blade Runner test and recognized Malachi. Must pull out my copies of those and rewatch!

While some folks didn't enjoy the parasite plot, I actually found it a refreshing change and realistic. When people go wandering to new places, you get all kinds of new nasty bugs. I have a lot of friends who travel to the tropics and that bug was nothing compared to some of the scary stuff they've come back with. It was nice to see TPTB use that more-or-less realistic basis for a plot.

The best part: Vala was great. I'm a big CB fan, but haven't entirely cared for the Vala character. I think this episode gave us much more insight into her character, from studying up for the psych exam and thinking it a game of wits against the tester to breaking through and showing us her desire to fit in and perhaps better herself. I thought CB played both the humor and angst well and felt it was the first time they really let the actress shine. I'll be rewatching just for those parts.

The same here. I've already watched Morpheus 3 times today and never laughed so hard before like during Vala scenes. These were definitely the best parts of the episode. Poor Woolsey! :D

Sela
July 22nd, 2006, 12:48 PM
SG1 - it was...ok. Liked the team interaction off world. It felt like old times and everyone seemed to get back to who they were in terms of team responsibilities. Interesting, simple, believable plot line. The Vala psych examinations were amusing but predictable. The minute Woolsey stepped in the room I knew he was part of the test and after that, it was rather....meh. (Love Robert P. by the way) I'm glad in the end that Vala didn't get the SG-1 patch. I'm pretty much done if that ever happens. Again, I like Claudia Black, I'm even able to tolerate Vala more, but the SGC-PTB are pretty quick to allow a known disruptive force so much access and interaction within the SGC, especially in a time of war. Makes no sense from a security point of view. Not only that but what about all of the other SG team individuals that have been there, done well and would like to get a shot at the flagship team? They deserve a chance to be promoted up and they never seem to get it. Surely someone has an opinion about why when there's an opening on the team they always go outside the SGC to fill it. I know I would.

High points: Cam and Teal'c in the cave, Sam and Daniel keeping each other wake. Nice to see the team getting along so well. Also, Landry was pretty good in this episode. Yep, he is growing on me.

Dani347
July 22nd, 2006, 12:55 PM
Yes, I think it was a good thing that Vala is not a part of SG1. It would have been much too unbelievable for her to be welcomed in with open arms. Probation makes sense.

The SGC sent coffee, along with all the pills, right? Coffee. Why in the world didn't Daniel have a coffee cup with him when he was researching or popping back and forth into the room with everyone else?

Sela
July 22nd, 2006, 12:56 PM
At first I wasnít sure what he even said when he delivered the Texas salad bar one so I had to catch it on the second airing to make sure I heard him right. Heck Iím from Texas and Iím still not quite sure I get it.

I'm from Texas and I got it the first time. It was one of the few times I laughed out loud. :cameron: You know in Texas, we're all about the beef. ;)

golfbooy
July 22nd, 2006, 01:01 PM
Honestly, there's not too much to say about Morpheus. Really, there's not. I guess I'll have to, ahem, struggle to work up a post of adequate length. Yeah, that's it--struggle. Anyway, cheers to whoever came up with the "Joe and Paul Tidy Syndrome" line. It's right on the money. Morpheus is so very stereotypically Mallozzi and Mullie that it's disappointing. It didn't become tragedy until Misbegotten aired afterwards.

Since you all know I take great pride in my role as Mr. Positive, I've decided to start with the things that were good about Morpheus. First and foremost among them is the fact that there were no space ships, no shots of space, no pointless explosions or showers of sparks, and no pointless CGI just for the sake of having some CGI. I know that many fans can't get enough of that stuff, but none of it is what made SG-1 great. Going through the gate (even if we didn't get to see it) is a step in the right direction. Alas, it appears we'll be running backwards next week. Sigh. The lack of those often overused elements in this episode is sure to elicit many compliants of boredom from some fans, but I've always found the quieter, more subdued episodes provide better opportunities for meaningful character interaction as well as better opportunities for the actors to shine. The strength of the show has always been the characters (this is particularly true for M&M episodes), and I think that Carter and Daniel really saved the whole episode.

To get some of the more pedantic things out of the way, I do want to mention that I liked the atmospheric set up of the village set on this occaison. It's one of the few times that the producers have managed to make those standing sets feel like a different, unique planet. I liked it. It worked for me. I also rather enjoyed the bleached-out feel that Andy Mikita decided to go with. I think it helped give the script some much needed authencity and provided much of the tension and feeling of unease that the planet had. I'm thankful for those aspects of the episode because I feel like the actors needed something to grab on to and use to help sell the dialogue and story. So, good on the production team in this one.

Last of the good, the show really, really needed to get away from the Ori for a bit. One of the great things about the Goa'uld was the ability to write stories where elements of the "big bad" were there, but where the Goa'uld had little to no presence. It allowed the show room to breath and the characters opportunities to develop absent the constant plot-heaviness that pervades most of the episodes of New Stargate. I understand that many fans enjoy the arc-based approach SG-1 has adopted, but I can't help but feel the Ori too didactic (read: boring) for weekly consumption. The Ori are simply thrust too far to the front of the story; they're a bigger character than any of the actors on the show, and that's just not right. So, I'm hopeful for more standalones in the rest of the season, but not too hopeful.

As for the bad? At the absolute top of the list is the major, major cop-out ending. Seriously, get better writers. Shut up about how you "only have 42 minutes to tell a story" and try actually telling one. I don't know where completely omitting resolution to conflict counts as "telling a story", but it sure as hell isn't in my book. The ending to Morpheus was so bad that I'm getting angry just thinking about it again. And they didn't even pull off the crap ending they did try to foist upon the audience. Certainly a scene where Landry actually indicated he might send a team to help out was required. Surely some explanation as to exactly how the serum was developed so quickly was required. Mallozzi has always had a penchant for hand waving when it comes to actually explaining why or how things are happening in his stories, but this one was particularly heinous. It makes "the bomb is the building" look like genius, I tell ya.

Also disappointing was the lack of any real character development amongst the team. As others have noted heretofore, this episode was rife with oppotunity for some sort of angst between team members. To have not even attempted something meaningful for any member of SG-1 in such a slow moving, open field type story is criminal. You've got tired, cranky, and about-to-die-any-moment characters sitting around for 42 minutes and all they are is tired, cranky, and about-to-die-any-moment? Really? Are you sure? I'm sure there's stuff going on beneath the surface, stuff they'd not say or do under normal circumstances. But here they don't say anything, do anything, or think about anything. What gets me the most is that The Light presented the team in exactly the same, um, light (forgive me), and took advantage of the situation. How hard is it to copy your own show?

The Vala B-plot was both distracting and predictable (not a good combination). Most of all, there was far too much of it. I understand that the writers needed to contrive explain Vala's newfound home at the SGC. And on that front, I don't have a problem with the whole idea of a psych evaluation as part of that process. But it was just all so damn silly. Really, I know that Mallozzi considers himself a humorist of sorts, but I didn't find myself laughing at any of the "jokes" during those scenes. Kudos to Claudia Black for trying hard to sell those scenes, but there's only so much humor to be had in screwing up one's face in frustration and annoyance. It wasn't working for me. And honestly, in the first half of the episode I found the constant cutting back and forth between Vala and SG-1 on the planet very distracting. There were at least four or five different scenes of Vala being "cute" at the SGC. That's too many. SG-1's story would have had a better sense of tension and urgency if it wasn't constantly being undercut with the completely tensionless scenes at the SGC. On top of that, I find it impossible to believe that one of those trite Landry/Vala or Vala taking the test scenes couldn't be cut in order to facilitate the inclusion of the infamously edited-out Sam/Vala character development scene. Both Amanda Tapping and Claudia Black have publicly lamented that it was the first thing to be cut out of the episode. After seeing what did stay in, I'm more astonished than ever that the development of that relationship isn't more important than Mallozzi or Mullie getting a chance to devour some more "writer candy". It's crap decision making with no sense of priorities. All of those cutsie Vala scenes weren't necessary to the plot; I can't believe that any single one of the writers, producers, or editors truly believed that they were.

Right. On to the characters. And I'll start with Daniel and Carter. They were this week's big winners. Their interaction in this episode was by far the best part of the story. There is just such a natural comfort and familiarity between Amanda Tapping, Michael Shanks, and Christopher Judge that really does come through in their characters. Daniel and Sam were great here, and the honest sense of caring that the actors had to convey was effortlessly handled. Their reliance on each other to stay awake and their trust in the others abilities was a nice reminder of why SG-1 has stayed on so long. It was also nice to see the two of them interacting after hardly having any scenes together throughout the whole of season nine. More, please.

I have mixed feelings on Mitchell in this one. Well, they're only mixed in that I liked much of his interaction with Teal'c, but I suspect that's because I like Teal'c. By the way, I really liked that Teal'c was the one to "save the day" by catching the lizard and making it out of the cave. Chris Judge often has to do the "strong warrior under extreme duress" schtick, but he does do it well. I also laughed at Teal'c smacking random-soldier to wake him up. Mitchell, much like last week, came across as very downtrodden and far more low-key than he has been wont to do in the past. I'm now suspecting that everyone involved has simply hit the reset on his character and are going to pretend that the frenetic, overwrought Mitchell of last season never existed. We'll see.

I've seen some fans complain that Vala's character has been grinded down in Morpheus to such a degree that she's lost what made her appealing to them last year. I don't agree, and find even this small modicum of depth a welcome change to what was all artifice at this time last season. Her not being placed on SG-1 may please some fans, but it really is nothing more than a matter of semantics. For all intents and purposes, Vala has joined the team. Here's hoping that the jokes about loot run out sooner rather than later.

Finally, Robert Picardo was back as Woolsey for an effective role. Despite its transparency, his "test" of Vala indicated a much higher level of involvement for the IOA than in the past. Coupled with his interactions with Weir, the IOA itself is the apparent happy beneficiery of the ever increasing crossovers between Stargate SG-1 and Stargate: Atlantis. I think the organization has been well incorporated into the framework of the Stargate Program and to the show itself. The military's decreasing autonomy has been one of the more subtle changes to the show in the past couple of years, and it's been fairly well done. Oh, and thankfully, M&M waited until Atlantis to completely assasinate Robert Woolsey's character. Kudos.

That's all. Not too bad for length, right?

NotAscended
July 22nd, 2006, 01:03 PM
Yes, I think it was a good thing that Vala is not a part of SG1. It would have been much too unbelievable for her to be welcomed in with open arms. Probation makes sense.

I thought the fact that when Vala asked about joining SG-1 and getting a patch, she was wearing a uniform that obviously had a lighter, blank spot where the patch would go. I don't recall seeing that on other standard green uniforms, and thought it was a nice touch on the part of the costume department.

SG1Atlantis
July 22nd, 2006, 01:09 PM
Good episode, the season looks better and better. When i saw the preview last week, i wasnt sure about the plot, but it was good. The only thing i had a problem w/was the rushed ending and its becoming a common occurance which is not good. I liked Daniel and Vala's convo in the beginning when she asked to use his comp and Cam just dragged him into the gate room.

Dani347
July 22nd, 2006, 01:19 PM
Good review. It could go into the official fan reviews for the episode. No, that's not gratuitous flattery.




Since you all know I take great pride in my role as Mr. Positive, I've decided to start with the things that were good about Morpheus. First and foremost among them is the fact that there were no space ships, no shots of space, no pointless explosions or showers of sparks, and no pointless CGI just for the sake of having some CGI. I know that many fans can't get enough of that stuff, but none of it is what made SG-1 great. Going through the gate (even if we didn't get to see it) is a step in the right direction. Alas, it appears we'll be running backwards next week. Sigh. The lack of those often overused elements in this episode is sure to elicit many compliants of boredom from some fans, but I've always found the quieter, more subdued episodes provide better opportunities for meaningful character interaction as well as better opportunities for the actors to shine. The strength of the show has always been the characters (this is particularly true for M&M episodes), and I think that Carter and Daniel really saved the whole episode.

You know, I didn't even notice the lack of CGI and explosions. That just shows how little I care about them, that I wasn't cheering at their absence. And, I agree that the strength M&M episodes lies in the characters. Maybe that's why I like them, more often than not.

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Last of the good, the show really, really needed to get away from the Ori for a bit. One of the great things about the Goa'uld was the ability to write stories where elements of the "big bad" were there, but where the Goa'uld had little to no presence.

Yes. That's about all there is to say here.






Also disappointing was the lack of any real character development amongst the team. As others have noted heretofore, this episode was rife with oppotunity for some sort of angst between team members. To have not even attempted something meaningful for any member of SG-1 in such a slow moving, open field type story is criminal. You've got tired, cranky, and about-to-die-any-moment characters sitting around for 42 minutes and all they are is tired, cranky, and about-to-die-any-moment? Really? Are you sure? I'm sure there's stuff going on beneath the surface, stuff they'd not say or do under normal circumstances. But here they don't say anything, do anything, or think about anything. What gets me the most is that The Light presented the team in exactly the same, um, light (forgive me), and took advantage of the situation. How hard is it to copy your own show?


I agree this was the most disappointing thing. Missed opportunities all around as far as the angst goes.


On top of that, I find it impossible to believe that one of those trite Landry/Vala or Vala taking the test scenes couldn't be cut in order to facilitate the inclusion of the infamously edited-out Sam/Vala character development scene. Both Amanda Tapping and Claudia Black have publicly lamented that it was the first thing to be cut out of the episode.
After seeing what did stay in, I'm more astonished than ever that the development of that relationship isn't more important than Mallozzi or Mullie getting a chance to devour some more "writer candy". It's crap decision making with no sense of priorities. All of those cutsie Vala scenes weren't necessary to the plot; I can't believe that any single one of the writers, producers, or editors truly believed that they were.

This is the episode that cut a Sam/Vala scene because it didn't move the plot along? You're right, there are other things that could have been cut instead without affecting the story. We already had a scene with Vala telling Daniel she was going to use his computer to cram for the evaluation, so the scene with Landry while she was doing it could have been cut. It didn't move anything forward, and they could have had the Sam/Vala scene.


Right. On to the characters. And I'll start with Daniel and Carter. They were this week's big winners. Their interaction in this episode was by far the best part of the story. There is just such a natural comfort and familiarity between Amanda Tapping, Michael Shanks, and Christopher Judge that really does come through in their characters. Daniel and Sam were great here, and the honest sense of caring that the actors had to convey was effortlessly handled. Their reliance on each other to stay awake and their trust in the others abilities was a nice reminder of why SG-1 has stayed on so long. It was also nice to see the two of them interacting after hardly having any scenes together throughout the whole of season nine. More, please.

Echoes "more please" I love the brotherly/sisterly connection I see with them, and love seeing them interact.


By the way, I really liked that Teal'c was the one to "save the day" by catching the lizard and making it out of the cave. Chris Judge often has to do the "strong warrior under extreme duress" schtick, but he does do it well. I also laughed at Teal'c smacking random-soldier to wake him up.

Yes, again, really good that Teal'c got to be the hero. I like him and Mitchell together, and also liked the interaction between him and Daniel in the scene they had. But, why won't they let him have a few scenes with Sam? Why?!


Mitchell, much like last week, came across as very downtrodden and far more low-key than he has been want to do in the past. I'm now suspecting that everyone involved has simply hit the reset on his character and are going to pretend that the frenetic, overwrought Mitchell of last season never existed. We'll see.

I don't know if there's a reset. It seems to me the situations that they're in call for a more subdued presence.

LoneStar1836
July 22nd, 2006, 01:20 PM
I think I liked the episode better than you did - but then I have lowered expectations this year. ;) :)Well I have lowered my expectations, but I guess not enough. The episode just seemed to drag and nobody was doing anything except sitting around and popping pills or walking through a cave, chasing a lizard, followed by staggering through the cave. Like I said the Vala stuff was the bright spot (though I could have done with less of it if the A storyline had been more enthralling) of an otherwise dull episode with plot holes. I think we were more entertained yesterday watching that police chase around Houston than we were with this episode, especially when that guy drove across the golf course. :D

Interesting, I liked the episode more the second time I watched. I guess, for me, this is an episode where the strength lies in the team-yness and the character feel. It was weak on plot, but I found myself not looking at it for the plot, but for seeing SG1 together, interacting with each other, caring about each other. And, that was great for me.I liked the team interaction (though there was missed opportunity to do more with the characters, imo), but it was just too difficult to overlook the weakness of the plot. Oh well, it doesn't matter. Won't be seeing this one again until repeats start airing since I don't tape Stargate anymore.

Well, I guess there's no accounting for taste with some people. :P I thought the episode was perfectly written. It was TRUE classic Stargate...but I guess some people must not like classic gate.I like well written classic Stargate, but even classic Stargate had its stinkers. ;)

DEM
July 22nd, 2006, 01:21 PM
Ah, golfy has posted; my Saturday morn is complete.


There were at least four or five different scenes of Vala being "cute" at the SGC. That's too many. .... I find it impossible to believe that one of those trite Landry/Vala or Vala taking the test scenes couldn't be cut in order to facilitate the inclusion of the infamously edited-out Sam/Vala character development scene. Both Amanda Tapping and Claudia Black have publicly lamented that it was the first thing to be cut out of the episode. After seeing what did stay in, I'm more astonished than ever that the development of that relationship isn't more important than Mallozzi or Mullie getting a chance to devour some more "writer candy". It's crap decision making with no sense of priorities. All of those cutsie Vala scenes weren't necessary to the plot; I can't believe that any single one of the writers, producers, or editors truly believed that they were.
I extracted the above because it's so very important. Thank you for remembering and mentioning it.

Quinn Mallory
July 22nd, 2006, 01:33 PM
Good episode in terms of the team working together. The Vala storyline was some good comic relief. Does feel somewhat like a let down following a big space battle episode but that's to be expected. I enjoyed the hour but I do think this may become one of the more forgettable episode in the grand scheme of things.

Dani347
July 22nd, 2006, 01:37 PM
I liked the team interaction (though there was missed opportunity to do more with the characters, imo), but it was just too difficult to overlook the weakness of the plot. Oh well, it doesn't matter. Won't be seeing this one again until repeats start airing since I don't tape Stargate anymore.



That's the difference between us, I guess. For me, good character interaction does make up for any problems with plot, and a well executed plot does nothing for me if there aren't those essential character moments to go with it.

Speaking of character moments, I watched the Daniel and Teal'c scene when they're talking about Morgan le Fey, and I loved it. I loved how their conversation was a back and forth, about the same thing, each adding pieces to the final realization. I still get a kick out of Daniel just knowing people are going to get what he's saying without any explanation, despite the fact that it's been years and it hasn't happened. I love that Teal'c wasn't just there keeping guard, but was actually interested. They don't touch enough on the idea that Teal'c is also interested in learning about things around him and has a lot of curiousity, and isn't just a body guard.

I think this is going to be an episode I like more and more as I watch it.

JacksCSM
July 22nd, 2006, 01:47 PM
Like this episode alot.

Have been lucky to have taken the set tours in Vancouver and thought what they did with the village and cave sets was absolutely 'wicked'.

Good use of showing the SG1 team working together again. Been awhile. Then this episode set off at least a few good arcs that will have to addressed, i.e., Daniel IS going to Atlantis and watching Vala's dynamic influence the team.

Beau is taking Landry to being even more of a 'general' than when he started. Doing well with it too.

Not every episode can be a "barn burner" and some must be used to move other points, down the road, along.

Liked this one alot.

Skydiver
July 22nd, 2006, 02:03 PM
Also disappointing was the lack of any real character development amongst the team. As others have noted heretofore, this episode was rife with oppotunity for some sort of angst between team members. To have not even attempted something meaningful for any member of SG-1 in such a slow moving, open field type story is criminal. You've got tired, cranky, and about-to-die-any-moment characters sitting around for 42 minutes and all they are is tired, cranky, and about-to-die-any-moment? Really? Are you sure? I'm sure there's stuff going on beneath the surface, stuff they'd not say or do under normal circumstances. But here they don't say anything, do anything, or think about anything. What gets me the most is that The Light presented the team in exactly the same, um, light (forgive me), and took advantage of the situation. How hard is it to copy your own show?



yeah. why can't these guys get it. the CHARACTERS are what drew fans to this show. thier interactions with each other. little bits showing how they care for each other.

IMHO, if they want interest to grow in this nice new show, they need to STOP CUTTING OUT THE CHARACTER INTERACTIONS for favor of sfx and 'plot furthering scenes'

dude, try tightening up your writing a bit, cutting back on the self-indulgent jokes and let those character bits stay in. If i, as a viewer, have the choice between yet another homage and two of the characters talking with each other, i'll take the latter. the homages were fun when they were a handful a season. now they're a handful an episode and it's getting boring.

If we don't care for the characters, we won't give a fig about the show. And some good character interactions can cover up no end of poor plots and bad writing.

the actors on this show are a talented bunch, how bout y'all give them something to do beyond just standing on their mark and delivering the likes that y'all thought was funny at 2am when you cranked it out while you were watching a late night B movie.

Sam and Daniel was a perfect opportunity to have them snark at each other, or yell or lose thier temper. that's what people do when they're tired. they get cranky. so let them get cranky. in that crankyness we learn something about the characters. in PL, sam lost her temper at Lee...why couldn't someone lose thier temper at rymer? let them get grumpy, let them be human.

If season 9 and - potentially season 10 - has an overriding theme it's missed opportunities. Teh show's become so plot driven that it forgets that the characters are who drives the plot. and if i don't care about them, i'm not gonna keep tuning in.

Morpheus was decent enough, but if we'd have had a little less humorous bits, a little less red shirt deaths, a little less 10 second 'wow isn't this dramatic' pausess at the end of each act, maybe there'd have been time to pace the plot out evenly and put in some of those character interactions that so many folks are hungering for

golfbooy
July 22nd, 2006, 02:07 PM
I forgot to mention that I wasn't really buying into the last scene with Mitchell and Vala, either. I just sort of laughed out loud at Mitchell there. I find that there is just no menace or authority to the character. His lack of presence comes primarily from the dialogue he's forced to deliever. Seriously, him gleefully reminising over Deuce Bigalow, the kooky salad bar line, etc., all serve to downgrade any sense of competence that the character might otherwise have. Richard Dean Anderson, for all of O'neill's jokes, always brought an underlying cynicism and subdued hostility to the character's humor. Jack could be menacing. I find Mitchell's ubiquitous pop culture references and not-funny one liners undercut the character. Honestly, who talks like that? Where's the depth to the character? So, for me, the last scene came across more as Mitchell being somewhat of a bully, unnecessarily hulking over the much smaller Vala. He could have stood where he was and uttered the same lines to better effect. This struck me as heavy (gauntlet clad) handed.

This opinion is sure to be unpopular, but there it is.

Steve_the_Wraith
July 22nd, 2006, 02:18 PM
This episode was okay it might even have been good if it hadn't had the cop out of an ending. Although it was obviously just filler between "Flesh and Blood" and "Pegasus Project" - it's like they wrote thos 2 epsides and after they were done they relalised they had a space that needed filling and threw togethr a A-plot out of leftovers from previous episodes (mix one part mysterious illness, one part parasite with one part Deus Ex Machina)

Vala was entertaining to a point her jokes were funny but they felt out of place in this episode and seriously if they could have gotten an ending that made sense by cutting her screen time then cut away

Dani347
July 22nd, 2006, 02:18 PM
This opinion is sure to be unpopular, but there it is.

Well, from reading other boards, I'd say your opinion about the Mitchell/Vala scene is pretty on par with the general populace.

I, on the other hand, didn't find it intimidating. I found it more like "lets rein her in before she starts thinking she has the run of the place."

Skydiver
July 22nd, 2006, 02:21 PM
mitch's threats are....well rather toothless at the moment

jack we knew could kick bootie. while he was a fantastic man and great leader, he had a very real dark side. he had the devil within him. he could be a stone cold killer and had been in his career

mitch???? i sense no menace from mitch. no seriousness in his past or background. he's a lot like sam in that - at least in the early seasons - so steeped in innocence that you just can't ever see them doing the dirty work. Sam could be innocent. She wasn't the leader.

while i would have no doubt that jack would kick vala's tush...mitch is more liklely to just shake his head and yell at her for not listening to him and powerlessly stomp away.

I think that's why mitch as the boss just doesn't work for me. the writers keep having him deliver all these menacing lines and dramatic phrases adn he sounds like a 14 year old kid yelling frusteratedly at the bullies that he's powerless to do anything about.

Mitch will never be jack because jack was a man...and mitch will never be more than a teenage boy trying to fill the shoes of his 'dad'

and so, mitch's 'threats' to vala....empty threats, which only makes the lines rather funny

plaw15
July 22nd, 2006, 02:42 PM
I liked the first 50 minutes of the episode but the end was stupid because they didnt show or tell how they got out of their situation.

Auralis
July 22nd, 2006, 02:46 PM
Pretty outright boring.
The vala bits where enjoyable, but the main plot, meh, just the umthens incarnation of the diseas of the week alien planet.
Excellent cinematrographie however.

majorsal
July 22nd, 2006, 03:03 PM
The overall danger to SG-1 and accompanying scientists was well played and engrossing. Vala's subplot was an excellent contrast. Um... one little quibble... it would have been nice if there was some recognition of concurrent events between the two story lines. She apparently had absolutely no idea of what is going on with SG-1 Ė I can buy this. There is little reason for Landry to tell her Ė but I can't help think the overall episode would have had more depth if she'd known.



you know, as much as vala was endearing in this ep, i would have preferred her storyline not taking place in 'this' ep. why? because i was more interested in what was happening with sg1.

but then again, i'd prefer the old sg1 that had sam, daniel, teal'c (and jack if he was still on). and i also like the smaller cast of old (s/d/t/j) because eps were more intimate that way (more time to spend on an individual's storyline.

but back to the ep; i wish more time was spent on just what it was like (what was going through their minds) while being sleep deprived. especially their end mindsets! (poor sam, thinking she was being buried alive)




sally :sam:


ps-... this heat wave REALLY needs to stop. it's now 97.2 degrees fahrenheit in my bedroom. it was 94 before i opened the windows... i thought it would help... help

majorsal
July 22nd, 2006, 03:24 PM
I think they spent way too much time with Vala. Did she need to talk to Landry twice and see the psychologist so many times? The planet storyline really needed a better ending, and they could've used some of Vala's time to finish the planet story better. Resolving the problem offscreen is just sooo bad, I can't believe the writers got away with that.

yes, my opinion too. waaaay too much time with vala's storyline.





sally :sam:

Trubinator
July 22nd, 2006, 03:29 PM
Well, the "A" plot sucked miserably, but Vala managed to carry the entire show with her little subplot, so I'm glad they went that route with the episode.

Farscapefan
July 22nd, 2006, 03:34 PM
yes, my opinion too. waaaay too much time with vala's storyline.





sally :sam:

Actually these were simply the best scenes in the whole episode.

Farscapefan
July 22nd, 2006, 03:35 PM
Well, the "A" plot sucked miserably, but Vala managed to carry the entire show with her little subplot, so I'm glad they went that route with the episode.

Precisely. Especially that this psychiatric evaluation was also Claudia's idea :)

majorsal
July 22nd, 2006, 03:37 PM
Yeah, Mitchell is the same as he was last season in the more serious episodes like The Scourge, Ethon, Camelot, Collateral Damage, Avalon, etc. He was just sleep deprived in the end, and in the beginning they'd just received Teal'c's news about 6 more planets falling to the Ori. I saw him as acting like someone would under those circumstances.

the only part i didn't like with mitchell was the very end, when he got in vala's face and warned her to not screw up. (i felt, ooh, just who are you to tell her that?)

my fave bits were sam merely being in the ep. *hugs fave but watered down character*. i also LOVED the co-leading going on! :D


a quick, but slightly related question. the next new ep (preview) shows sg1 will be going to atlantis. if i want to see the conclusion of this ep, will i have to watch an atlantis ep (never watched one)?







sally :)

Nolamom
July 22nd, 2006, 03:40 PM
I don't think so - they will be in Atlantis, but it's a joint project. i don't think that you have to see an episode of Atlantis in order to "finish" the show. That wouldn't be fair to markets that don't play both shows.

Pocus
July 22nd, 2006, 04:13 PM
I enjoyed this episode. I thought that the idea of a parasite (and I despise bugs :samanime15: ) that causes you to sleep until you die was a different twist on an old storyline. I usually don't like the heroes vs bugs (e g Scourge) scenario. I don't know what it was about this plot that caught my attention. Maybe it was the interesting lighting.

I liked the Vala storyline. It was a bit long but I liked seeing her go from conniving to pass a test that is based on letting someone evaluate "you", to letting some of her real thoughts and feelings out. She is so used to putting up a front that it was refreshing to get a glimpse of the real Vala. It was great to hear her say she was a bit overwhelmed when Landry told her the Dr. ? sees great potential and so did he. Great look from Claudia! :vala:

I do think she will give us the same irreverant humor that Jack did. I miss that. Mitchell's humour is more on the "obvious" side or it references something else that not everyone will understand.

binkpmmc
July 22nd, 2006, 04:29 PM
Honestly, there's not too much to say about Morpheus. Really, there's not. I guess I'll have to, ahem, struggle to work up a post of adequate length. Yeah, that's it--struggle. Anyway, cheers to whoever came up with the "Joe and Paul Tidy Syndrome" line. It's right on the money. Morpheus is so very stereotypically Mallozzi and Mullie that it's disappointing. It didn't become tragedy until Misbegotten aired afterwards.

Since you all know I take great pride in my role as Mr. Positive, I've decided to start with the things that were good about Morpheus. First and foremost among them is the fact that there were no space ships, no shots of space, no pointless explosions or showers of sparks, and no pointless CGI just for the sake of having some CGI. I know that many fans can't get enough of that stuff, but none of it is what made SG-1 great. Going through the gate (even if we didn't get to see it) is a step in the right direction. Alas, it appears we'll be running backwards next week. Sigh. The lack of those often overused elements in this episode is sure to elicit many compliants of boredom from some fans, but I've always found the quieter, more subdued episodes provide better opportunities for meaningful character interaction as well as better opportunities for the actors to shine. The strength of the show has always been the characters (this is particularly true for M&M episodes), and I think that Carter and Daniel really saved the whole episode.

To get some of the more pedantic things out of the way, I do want to mention that I liked the atmospheric set up of the village set on this occaison. It's one of the few times that the producers have managed to make those standing sets feel like a different, unique planet. I liked it. It worked for me. I also rather enjoyed the bleached-out feel that Andy Mikita decided to go with. I think it helped give the script some much needed authencity and provided much of the tension and feeling of unease that the planet had. I'm thankful for those aspects of the episode because I feel like the actors needed something to grab on to and use to help sell the dialogue and story. So, good on the production team in this one.

Last of the good, the show really, really needed to get away from the Ori for a bit. One of the great things about the Goa'uld was the ability to write stories where elements of the "big bad" were there, but where the Goa'uld had little to no presence. It allowed the show room to breath and the characters opportunities to develop absent the constant plot-heaviness that pervades most of the episodes of New Stargate. I understand that many fans enjoy the arc-based approach SG-1 has adopted, but I can't help but feel the Ori too didactic (read: boring) for weekly consumption. The Ori are simply thrust too far to the front of the story; they're a bigger character than any of the actors on the show, and that's just not right. So, I'm hopeful for more standalones in the rest of the season, but not too hopeful.

As for the bad? At the absolute top of the list is the major, major cop-out ending. Seriously, get better writers. Shut up about how you "only have 42 minutes to tell a story" and try actually telling one. I don't know where completely omitting resolution to conflict counts as "telling a story", but it sure as hell isn't in my book. The ending to Morpheus was so bad that I'm getting angry just thinking about it again. And they didn't even pull off the crap ending they did try to foist upon the audience. Certainly a scene where Landry actually indicated he might send a team to help out was required. Surely some explanation as to exactly how the serum was developed so quickly was required. Mallozzi has always had a penchant for hand waving when it comes to actually explaining why or how things are happening in his stories, but this one was particularly heinous. It makes "the bomb is the building" look like genius, I tell ya.

Also disappointing was the lack of any real character development amongst the team. As others have noted heretofore, this episode was rife with oppotunity for some sort of angst between team members. To have not even attempted something meaningful for any member of SG-1 in such a slow moving, open field type story is criminal. You've got tired, cranky, and about-to-die-any-moment characters sitting around for 42 minutes and all they are is tired, cranky, and about-to-die-any-moment? Really? Are you sure? I'm sure there's stuff going on beneath the surface, stuff they'd not say or do under normal circumstances. But here they don't say anything, do anything, or think about anything. What gets me the most is that The Light presented the team in exactly the same, um, light (forgive me), and took advantage of the situation. How hard is it to copy your own show?

The Vala B-plot was both distracting and predictable (not a good combination). Most of all, there was far too much of it. I understand that the writers needed to contrive explain Vala's newfound home at the SGC. And on that front, I don't have a problem with the whole idea of a psych evaluation as part of that process. But it was just all so damn silly. Really, I know that Mallozzi considers himself a humorist of sorts, but I didn't find myself laughing at any of the "jokes" during those scenes. Kudos to Claudia Black for trying hard to sell those scenes, but there's only so much humor to be had in screwing up one's face in frustration and annoyance. It wasn't working for me. And honestly, in the first half of the episode I found the constant cutting back and forth between Vala and SG-1 on the planet very distracting. There were at least four or five different scenes of Vala being "cute" at the SGC. That's too many. SG-1's story would have had a better sense of tension and urgency if it wasn't constantly being undercut with the completely tensionless scenes at the SGC. On top of that, I find it impossible to believe that one of those trite Landry/Vala or Vala taking the test scenes couldn't be cut in order to facilitate the inclusion of the infamously edited-out Sam/Vala character development scene. Both Amanda Tapping and Claudia Black have publicly lamented that it was the first thing to be cut out of the episode. After seeing what did stay in, I'm more astonished than ever that the development of that relationship isn't more important than Mallozzi or Mullie getting a chance to devour some more "writer candy". It's crap decision making with no sense of priorities. All of those cutsie Vala scenes weren't necessary to the plot; I can't believe that any single one of the writers, producers, or editors truly believed that they were.

Right. On to the characters. And I'll start with Daniel and Carter. They were this week's big winners. Their interaction in this episode was by far the best part of the story. There is just such a natural comfort and familiarity between Amanda Tapping, Michael Shanks, and Christopher Judge that really does come through in their characters. Daniel and Sam were great here, and the honest sense of caring that the actors had to convey was effortlessly handled. Their reliance on each other to stay awake and their trust in the others abilities was a nice reminder of why SG-1 has stayed on so long. It was also nice to see the two of them interacting after hardly having any scenes together throughout the whole of season nine. More, please.

I have mixed feelings on Mitchell in this one. Well, they're only mixed in that I liked much of his interaction with Teal'c, but I suspect that's because I like Teal'c. By the way, I really liked that Teal'c was the one to "save the day" by catching the lizard and making it out of the cave. Chris Judge often has to do the "strong warrior under extreme duress" schtick, but he does do it well. I also laughed at Teal'c smacking random-soldier to wake him up. Mitchell, much like last week, came across as very downtrodden and far more low-key than he has been wont to do in the past. I'm now suspecting that everyone involved has simply hit the reset on his character and are going to pretend that the frenetic, overwrought Mitchell of last season never existed. We'll see.

I've seen some fans complain that Vala's character has been grinded down in Morpheus to such a degree that she's lost what made her appealing to them last year. I don't agree, and find even this small modicum of depth a welcome change to what was all artifice at this time last season. Her not being placed on SG-1 may please some fans, but it really is nothing more than a matter of semantics. For all intents and purposes, Vala has joined the team. Here's hoping that the jokes about loot run out sooner rather than later.

Finally, Robert Picardo was back as Woolsey for an effective role. Despite its transparency, his "test" of Vala indicated a much higher level of involvement for the IOA than in the past. Coupled with his interactions with Weir, the IOA itself is the apparent happy beneficiery of the ever increasing crossovers between Stargate SG-1 and Stargate: Atlantis. I think the organization has been well incorporated into the framework of the Stargate Program and to the show itself. The military's decreasing autonomy has been one of the more subtle changes to the show in the past couple of years, and it's been fairly well done. Oh, and thankfully, M&M waited until Atlantis to completely assasinate Robert Woolsey's character. Kudos.

That's all. Not too bad for length, right?

Excellent, well thought-out critique and analysis. I agree with everything you said - well done.

binkpmmc
July 22nd, 2006, 04:34 PM
Ah, golfy has posted; my Saturday morn is complete.


I extracted the above because it's so very important. Thank you for remembering and mentioning it.

I have to third this sentiment - I cannot believe they cut the Carter/vala scene for the schtick that they showed - what an utter waste. Confirms for me that TPKTS decision making abilities have been seriously flawed and will likely never return.

binkpmmc
July 22nd, 2006, 04:37 PM
I forgot to mention that I wasn't really buying into the last scene with Mitchell and Vala, either. I just sort of laughed out loud at Mitchell there. I find that there is just no menace or authority to the character. His lack of presence comes primarily from the dialogue he's forced to deliever. Seriously, him gleefully reminising over Deuce Bigalow, the kooky salad bar line, etc., all serve to downgrade any sense of competence that the character might otherwise have. Richard Dean Anderson, for all of O'neill's jokes, always brought an underlying cynicism and subdued hostility to the character's humor. Jack could be menacing. I find Mitchell's ubiquitous pop culture references and not-funny one liners undercut the character. Honestly, who talks like that? Where's the depth to the character? So, for me, the last scene came across more as Mitchell being somewhat of a bully, unnecessarily hulking over the much smaller Vala. He could have stood where he was and uttered the same lines to better effect. This struck me as heavy (gauntlet clad) handed.

This opinion is sure to be unpopular, but there it is.

I will not strike you down - I applaud you and agree 100%. mitchell is still, IMO, a useless waste of time.

I can say at least it was shared leadership, if even that, since Sam seemed in charge at points, mitchell (who grates on me no end and I FF through as much of him as possible without FF through the BIG 3) seemed in charge some and even Daniel and Teal'c seemed in charge. There were no orders given by or to anyone and each seemed to make their own decisions with appoprriate input from the others - so that aspect was okay.

I really think that they gave the ending short shrift and that the vala scenes should have been cut down drastically (if not cut out altogether) in order to put a proper ending to what (and I say this sarcastically) was supposed to be the A plot.

majorsal
July 22nd, 2006, 04:40 PM
i have a reply to this, but since the entire post is a mitchell rant, i'm answering it here (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=5546774&postcount=1522).



sally :)


mitch's threats are....well rather toothless at the moment

jack we knew could kick bootie. while he was a fantastic man and great leader, he had a very real dark side. he had the devil within him. he could be a stone cold killer and had been in his career

mitch???? i sense no menace from mitch. no seriousness in his past or background. he's a lot like sam in that - at least in the early seasons - so steeped in innocence that you just can't ever see them doing the dirty work. Sam could be innocent. She wasn't the leader.

while i would have no doubt that jack would kick vala's tush...mitch is more liklely to just shake his head and yell at her for not listening to him and powerlessly stomp away.

I think that's why mitch as the boss just doesn't work for me. the writers keep having him deliver all these menacing lines and dramatic phrases adn he sounds like a 14 year old kid yelling frusteratedly at the bullies that he's powerless to do anything about.

Mitch will never be jack because jack was a man...and mitch will never be more than a teenage boy trying to fill the shoes of his 'dad'

and so, mitch's 'threats' to vala....empty threats, which only makes the lines rather funny

majorsal
July 22nd, 2006, 04:49 PM
Well, the "A" plot sucked miserably, but Vala managed to carry the entire show with her little subplot, so I'm glad they went that route with the episode.

maybe the 'a' storyline wouldn't have sucked -as you put it- if more time had been spent on it instead of the vala one (so much). hmm.





sally :sam:

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 22nd, 2006, 06:17 PM
All I can ask of any show is that it be entertaining, and I can say with some enthusiasm that I throughly enjoyed this episode.

Despite with the distinctly Family Channel vibe of the ending scene, I have to say that this ep was my kind of SG-1. All the characters were terrific and had meaty, dignified roles for a change. I loved Sam's line about how Daniel was harder to understand than she ever was. :D

I liked that the red shirts were given just cause for dying, as they'd been up much longer than SG-1 had.

I do wish the doctor, Whatisname, had survived, though, even if it was a little distracting seeing the guy from WOO, there. I think MS and AT did a good job of being clumsy-drunk from sleep depriviation while desperately trying to save the doctor. I liked the actor in this role and I think he'd have made a terrific field doctor. Personally, I'd prefer him over Lam, and now that we have Vala and Adria on the series a male regular doctor would be okay by me.

And speaking of Vala, welcome aboard, Ms MalDuran! :)

Vala had me LOLing but at the same time there was an endearing quality to her that I really liked. This is only the second ep where I can say I found her antics endearing, though(last time was in season 9's Crusade), so I am really hoping for some consistency from the writing staff. I thought it so funny that Wolsley didn't even flinch when Vala told Landry about "this annoying little man." Beaurocrats must be immune to such insults. :P

Morgan Le Fey and Merlin! And Atlantis! Kewl! Crossover time must be near. Bring it on!

Dani347
July 22nd, 2006, 06:50 PM
I do wish the doctor, Whatisname, had survived, though, even if it was a little distracting seeing the guy from WOO, there. I think MS and AT did a good job of being clumsy-drunk from sleep depriviation while desperately trying to save the doctor. I liked the actor in this role and I think he'd have made a terrific field doctor. Personally, I'd prefer him over Lam, and now that we have Vala and Adria on the series a male regular doctor would be okay by me.

I still think they should bring back the doctor from Avatar, even though he was also another character on the show. But, I liked him best out of all the post Janets, and he's still alive.

Mesenet
July 22nd, 2006, 11:06 PM
Thoughts, random and on the spot:

I hope we'll see more episodes like this one. By that, I mean episodes where SG-1 goes to another planet, runs into trouble, and has to get out of it. LOL Particularly trouble not directly because of/ engineered by the Ori. I do wish that Doctor Rymer (sp?) hadn't died. .
:indeed: The team stuff is starting to jel again. Hope they let it set.


Vala, as usual, had me in stitches. I could see the "loyalty" test thing coming a mile away, of course, but who cares? She didn't, and that's the key. I have to say, though, the funniest part was the polygraph scene. I should have seen it coming that the machine would react when she tried to flatter the shrink, but I didn't.

Speaking of Vala, I think the fact that she's not "officially" part of SG-1 might relieve some of the people up in arms about her permanant presence on the show.

Still not a Vala fan. She is not so over the top with the sex kitten thing as in last season but (jmho) I found the big really cheesy expressions that accented her comedy scenes annoying. I liked her more last week when she was more sincere or subtle with her lying. Though the ink blot scene and flustering Woolsey was funny.



Overall, not the deepest, most riveting episode ever, but structurally it felt a lot more like the Stargate formula we know and love than a great deal of last Season. I rate Ep 2 as good. So far S10 is keeping my interest and has me looking forward to next week. Last season I watched each new eposide hoping the season would get better.

e-dog
July 22nd, 2006, 11:22 PM
I'm really, really new to the show. Like, just started watching last week new. Haha, but I've always wanted to start watching. I really wanna buy the DVDs and get all caught up. (Nine years of catching up could take a while, eh?)

Anyway, I just wanted to comment on the ending. Being new to this show, it didn't bother me and maybe I'm just a fresh face giving it a first Stargate viewer look, but I liked it. I mean, it was rushed but I felt for different reasons besides lack of writing skills.

Going back to the state of mind of SG-1 and the hallucinations as a result of sleep deprivation (ie Sam thinking she was in a coffin, or Cam talking to no one but himself). I felt the fade out and coming back to suddenly find the team alive and well did just what it was supposed to.

They were asleep for the duration of making the cure, asleep while being treated then finally woke up. Maybe that was a way to see their point of view, which was nothing at all. That missing scene, where some felt the audience should have seen some kind of more concrete resolution, is exactly what it is. Missing.

I think we were supposed to feel as disoriented as they must have felt once they realized they were safe, but hey, that's just how I interpreted it. All in all, I've been enjoying what I've been seeing. And as a Farscape fan, I'm totally loving the Ben and Claudia screen time.

I enjoy their characters, finding Vala to be strangely endearing. I plan to stick around for the rest of the season.

Mesenet
July 22nd, 2006, 11:31 PM
This is the episode that cut a Sam/Vala scene because it didn't move the plot along? You're right, there are other things that could have been cut instead without affecting the story. We already had a scene with Vala telling Daniel she was going to use his computer to cram for the evaluation, so the scene with Landry while she was doing it could have been cut. It didn't move anything forward, and they could have had the Sam/Vala scene.

Hmm, will the PTB and MGM be smart enough to add the cut scene :rolleyes: for S10 DVD




Echoes "more please" I love the brotherly/sisterly connection I see with them, and love seeing them interact.

Here's another vote for more character interaction. But no shipping for Daniel/Vala.

Mesenet
July 22nd, 2006, 11:45 PM
I'm really, really new to the show. Like, just started watching last week new. Haha, but I've always wanted to start watching. I really wanna buy the DVDs and get all caught up. (Nine years of catching up could take a while, eh?) Welcome to GateWorld and the Stargate fandom. It will set you back a bit to get all 9 seasons but you should also rent the movie that started it all... STARGATE.



All in all, I've been enjoying what I've been seeing. And as a Farscape fan, I'm totally loving the Ben and Claudia screen time.

I enjoy their characters, finding Vala to be strangely endearing. I plan to stick around for the rest of the season.

Ahh, as a newbie, tread carefully with the Farscape fandom. There are those who are anti BB/Mitchell and CB/Vala and you don't want to be preceived as a Fargater ;)

the fifth man
July 23rd, 2006, 12:14 AM
Ahh, as a newbie, tread carefully with the Farscape fandom. There are those who are anti BB/Mitchell and CB/Vala and you don't want to be preceived as a Fargater ;)

"Fargater" is a stupid concept anyways. One can be a loyal fan of both shows. I know I am.

As for "Morpheus", I've watched it several times now. And each time, I've found something else I liked about it.:) Vala was great, SG-1 was great. All around, great ep IMO.

A scene I found especially funny was near the beginning, when Vala said she was going to use Daniel's computer to research the psych evaluation. His reaction to that, and her having his password, was priceless. Also, I loved how Mitchell practically dragged Daniel into the GateRoom.:D

battleaxe22
July 23rd, 2006, 01:22 AM
It was okay ...i realy don't like vala that much :S

*** first post *** : D

AutumnDream
July 23rd, 2006, 01:57 AM
I'd also like to point out a REAL "sleep deprivation" episode of television. Battlestar Galactica, Season 1, Episode 1, "33". Owned. James Callis is a man who can act like he's teetering on the brink. The SG-1 cast looked comical in comparison. Strange, because I've always respected Micheal Shanks' acting abilities. I'm surprised he wasn't more convincing than the others.

kernelsan
July 23rd, 2006, 02:54 AM
do you remember that extra guy who went off world with sg1? whoever he was he looked exactly like malakai from season 4 'window of oppertunity', i only noticed cause it was on the other day on sky one. i dunno if it was him cause the same name doesnt seem to be on the credits but they looked so similar that the whole time i watched it i thought that it was the same actor and that pissed me off almost as much as the crappy ending which was just lame. does anyone know if it was the same guy or agree with me that they look like twins practically?

All hail the USAF
July 23rd, 2006, 03:05 AM
Great....how many parasites are there in this galaxy?!

macktheknife
July 23rd, 2006, 05:16 AM
I watched it today, and thought it was a whole load of pretty much nothing. They did'nt really solve anything for the ori, they hardly even solved the actual problem on their own, nothing got blown up, no insight to anything, it was a filler if ever I saw one.

The only saving grace was the vala stuff, but it was pretty weak, woolsey was obviously a "plant" to test loyalty.

Anyone recognise the village? It looked to me similar to one from an episode of atlantis, where they had a big fire and had to resuce people from other people (it's hazy), and some scientist girl was with them... I think the genii or wraith had a reward for their capture...

White Knight
July 23rd, 2006, 05:24 AM
mac: the PTB built a large village as a standing set for use in both SG-1 and Atlantis. It gets redressed and used again in a lot of episodes - off the top of my head I can remember it in Avalon pt 2/Origin, Ties that Bind, Coup D'etat, Crusade and Camelot, Babylon/4th Horseman, Instinct and Epiphany.

Hywel
July 23rd, 2006, 05:24 AM
I quite liked this episode. The first two of season ten have made me more hopeful about the future of SG-1.

I loved the Vala scenes - she does overact, but she doesn't come over as unbeliveable. And Teal'c got do do something! Hooray! One thing though - surely the show has some kind of linguists? It seems they could have done a bit more research on Welsh pronunciation. Although that's rather nitpicky. :p

macktheknife
July 23rd, 2006, 05:25 AM
Good, because it was'nt just one episode it seemed familar from :D

The Ori
July 23rd, 2006, 05:59 AM
Funny moments yeh, but I found myself getting quite bored of it half way through. I seriously hope that they delve into Vala's character more this season as well as next and I hope that if they do then it won't just be funny but also personal and emotional as well, we need to know more about her.

And I'm still not used to Mitchell yet, when I've watched him act in SG-1 so far it seems to me that he does not have any facial expressions, it just looks stiff man, but it is only the beginning of the "second season" (IMO) of SG-1 so I have to get used to he changes!!!

The Ori
July 23rd, 2006, 06:03 AM
Oh yeh and the Ending was a "COP OUT". What was the episode about.

Although I did like the fact that they used the stargate for once and not any ship or any beaming tech.

They go through the stargate to a mysterious planet something bad happens and they solve it and go home - THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE AND DID SEE IN THIS EP - except fot the fact that they did not solve anything, it was poor, I'm just waiting for the next ep, they said that we will find out something interesting!!

The Ori
July 23rd, 2006, 06:10 AM
I'd also like to point out a REAL "sleep deprivation" episode of television. Battlestar Galactica, Season 1, Episode 1, "33". Owned. James Callis is a man who can act like he's teetering on the brink. The SG-1 cast looked comical in comparison. Strange, because I've always respected Micheal Shanks' acting abilities. I'm surprised he wasn't more convincing than the others.

Agreed! In the last 2 seasons it seems that everybody's acting is quite poor!!

AutumnDream
July 23rd, 2006, 06:17 AM
I guess they're not trying anymore. They have nothing left to prove. =/

Maj_Cliffhanger
July 23rd, 2006, 07:45 AM
I've already given my 2 cents on this episode (see page 6 if you really care) but I was sitting here thinking - a dangerous pursuit at the best of times! - and while I agree with a lot of others here that the ending was a definite cop-out I had to ask myself 'why?' I mean, did I actually expect the writers and directors to show me five minutes of frantic searching for the cure while SG-1 lays in a coma in a makeshift lab on another planet? Or maybe take them to Omega site (designed to handle these types of situations) and show lots of cut away clips of people pouring over Carter and Dr. Riemer's notes, and the labratory processes of synthesizing the cure? Did I really want that?

No.

So what made this such a cop-out ending for me?

Then I thought of Abyss. Don't know why, it just came to me. Here is another character driven story wherein someone is in danger and the ending is chopped off. We did not get to see O'Neill actually make his escape. ... But I've never thought of the ending of this episode as a cop out.

Why?

And it hit me. Did I want to see his escape? Did I *need* to see his escape? No. What I needed was the emotional resolution to what had happened. And they gave me that in spades. Had we seen O'Neill start to make his escape and then cut to a week later with him getting ready to go on a mission with no more than some cavalier comment like 'The sarcophagus couldn't mess up my mind because it was already so messed up!' - well, that would have been the kind of ending we got here, in Morpheus. And yes, it would have definitely left me disappointed and wanting more. We didn't need to see his escape, we needed to see the team caring for him and Daniel saying good-bye again.

So, what did we need here? Not what we got. Hey - I like the Vala/Woosley exchange - don't get me wrong. I haven't laughed that hard in ages! But it could have been done in the infirmary, with Vala coming in to say an angry/flippant (hiding her true hurt) good bye. SOME acknowledgment of what the team had gone through besides a nicely dark comment by Sam about imagining herself being put in a coffin. Even that could have worked if they'd acknowledged the emotional impact instead of offering it as a throwaway line that was imediately forgotten when the phone rang.

You know, plot driven storylines are all well and good - but when there isn't a lot of action and you are relying on drama to drive it forward - well, give us drama! If we're supposed to have been worried about the characters then give us the emotional resolution, not just tie up the loose threads of the story in thirty seconds followed by a laugh.

Okay, so you got another two cents out of me. I'm broke now.

keshou
July 23rd, 2006, 07:51 AM
Well I have lowered my expectations, but I guess not enough. The episode just seemed to drag and nobody was doing anything except sitting around and popping pills or walking through a cave, chasing a lizard, followed by staggering through the cave. Like I said the Vala stuff was the bright spot (though I could have done with less of it if the A storyline had been more enthralling) of an otherwise dull episode with plot holes. I think we were more entertained yesterday watching that police chase around Houston than we were wiquoteth this episode, especially when that guy drove across the golf course. :D
Well who doesn't like a good car chase? ;) You may want to stay tuned there's an episode of SG-1 coming up (don't know the name but it's written by M&M) that has a car chase in it, complete with Ben riding a motorcycle. lol

But I know what you mean. I have lowered my expectations to watching the show for some fair bits of entertainment and moving on. I don't tape the show, I rewatch very few. I loved the mythology and discovery of the early years and that's long gone. I still have an affection for the characters and if they manage to give me some good character interaction, and a decent (if not scintillating) plot those are my expectations now. And Morpheus delivered in that regard - at least for me. It could have been better though.

Like you, I think the writers could do more with the character interactions. Based on spoilers I thought there was going to be some big angsty scene between Sam and Daniel and it ended up being a nice little scene but failed to deliver much drama. As Skydiver mentioned in one of her posts - sleep-deprived people are ripe for arguments and poor judgement and raw nerves. We saw none of that in Morpheus. And then "poof" they're back to normal.


I'd also like to point out a REAL "sleep deprivation" episode of television. Battlestar Galactica, Season 1, Episode 1, "33". Owned. James Callis is a man who can act like he's teetering on the brink. The SG-1 cast looked comical in comparison. Strange, because I've always respected Micheal Shanks' acting abilities. I'm surprised he wasn't more convincing than the others.
Yes, "33" is a great example. I agree that I thought the actors could have give more in the "sleep-deprived" scenes. And I mean ALL of them - no one really excelled in those scenes, I thought. CJ was proably the best of the lot.

LoneStar1836
July 23rd, 2006, 08:48 AM
Well who doesn't like a good car chase? ;) You may want to stay tuned there's an episode of SG-1 coming up (don't know the name but it's written by M&M) that has a car chase in it, complete with Ben riding a motorcycle. lol Oh goodie! I canít wait!

:rolleyes:


Like you, I think the writers could do more with the character interactions. Based on spoilers I thought there was going to be some big angsty scene between Sam and Daniel and it ended up being a nice little scene but failed to deliver much drama. As Skydiver mentioned in one of her posts - sleep-deprived people are ripe for arguments and poor judgement and raw nerves. We saw none of that in Morpheus. And then "poof" they're back to normal. Thatís what I was waiting for as well butÖ.nada.

Is it October yet?

Maxum
July 23rd, 2006, 09:28 AM
Overall, it was a fun episode. Not great and not bad, but enjoyable.

I'm glad that SG-1 actually had a mission to go on together, and I thought it was smart that Vala did NOT go with them. She needs to earn her wings, so to speak. Plus, it was nice to switch back and forth from the planet with SG-1 to the base where Vala was trying to take her psych tests.

I wish there had been more talking scenes between the characters. I'd rather see character development than action scenes or in this case, "walking" scenes. Lots of walking scenes in this episode.

Vala was funny, especially when she was trying to read the ink plots, and she was obviously giving scripted answers to the doctor, and he quietly chastises her and asks her to give an honest, instant reaction to the ink blots. Her response to the next inkplot: "Kindness." The doctor's reaction was hysterical. Also, who was Vala referring to when she was getting into the elevator about (paraphrasing) "This is the first time in my life when I've met someone who actually believes in me." Was she referring to Daniel or someone else?

Like I said, overall, it was an entertaining episode, but I like the dramatic, character driven stories over the action/walking scenes. (7/10)

GhostPoet
July 23rd, 2006, 09:29 AM
I'd also like to point out a REAL "sleep deprivation" episode of television. Battlestar Galactica, Season 1, Episode 1, "33". Owned. James Callis is a man who can act like he's teetering on the brink. The SG-1 cast looked comical in comparison. Strange, because I've always respected Micheal Shanks' acting abilities. I'm surprised he wasn't more convincing than the others.

BSG is one of the few shows that can actually put me to sleep.

nccjones
July 23rd, 2006, 10:01 AM
I liked the episode, though I wouldn't put it in with my top 10 epi's of all time. I agree with many that it had some good team elements, though I still don't care for Mitchell.

Mitchell: I think golfboy (goolfboy?) said it best that it seems TPTB have put the reset button on Mitchell. It's like they heard all the complaints about how Mitchell was OTT last year and did a 180 to knock him down some. Now he comes across as plain, boring, no emotion, sarcastic and tries (but not successfully) to be intimidating. That last scene with Vala...I don't know what to think of that. Teal'c was never treated in that matter and heck, this was the first true alien that Earth really dealt with. I just feel a contradiction between Vala and Teal'c. I mean, what was with Mitchell getting up in her face like that? I'm starting to think the two in the same screen shot was for the Fargater fans.

But on to the good parts I liked:

Daniel: Oh, to see him at his most geekiness is a wonderful change from the warrior Daniel we've been getting these past few years. Seeing Daniel coming around the corner like in the old days was sooooo refreshing. He was totally in his element this episode and even though it was a team epi, I would say it pretty much centered around him and that's what made it enjoyable.

Sam: She's so much fun to watch. I feel like we were watching earlier seasons with the way she and Daniel acted as brother and sister and I loved how she encouraged Daniel to stay awake and took on the big sister role as in the old days. I loved how she assisted Dr. Rymer. We got to see her in action. I also felt she did a good job of looking tired as did most of the actors. Did AT have a cold? She did seem a bit congested.

Teal'c: Love Teal'c. His presense even if he doesn't say much is fun. I'm so glad he stayed around for these 10 years, I'd truly miss if he wasn't part of the show. I loved how it was him who saved the day in the end and not MachoMitchell.

Landry: He is really an excellent replacement for Hammond, though no one can truly replace Hammond, but Landry is a good character. I loved his interaction with Vala and his secret little smiles when no one was looking.

Vala: I like Vala alot. I love her character and what she brings to SG1. The fans are critiquing her so much that TPTB are walking on eggshells on how to introduce her to the show. I hope they don't tone her down too much. I love her snide, sexual innuendos, that's what makes her tick. I loved her scenes with the pshyc, so typical Vala. I think even though she's been on her own for however long she really wants to be accepted by a society so she is willing to give a little to be part of the team.

As for the ending...it didn't really bother me much. You knew they would come up with an antedote and I'm really glad they didn't waste time explaining how they got to it.....we just know they did. It would have taken away from the great Daniel and Sam scene at the end. I was fine with the ending. Not with the Mitchell and Vala scene though. Intimidating Mitchell came off as the high school bully in that scene.

Jonzey
July 23rd, 2006, 10:09 AM
I guess they're not trying anymore. They have nothing left to prove. =/
Or it could be because a show like BSG comes along and everyone praises how amazing it is, while they've (SG-1's cast) been acting their butts off for the past 10 years and no one cares.

andrelage
July 23rd, 2006, 10:13 AM
a very good episode IMO. there were some funny bits in it with vala, especially the lie detector scene

movielad
July 23rd, 2006, 11:10 AM
This episode convinced me more than ever that Claudia Black is such a fantastic addition to the core Stargate cast. Had to love the bit between her and Woolsey towards the end, but also the polygraph scene too.

M.

Dani347
July 23rd, 2006, 11:18 AM
Mitchell: I think golfboy (goolfboy?) said it best that it seems TPTB have put the reset button on Mitchell. It's like they heard all the complaints about how Mitchell was OTT last year and did a 180 to knock him down some. Now he comes across as plain, boring, no emotion, sarcastic and tries (but not successfully) to be intimidating. That last scene with Vala...I don't know what to think of that. Teal'c was never treated in that matter and heck, this was the first true alien that Earth really dealt with. I just feel a contradiction between Vala and Teal'c. I mean, what was with Mitchell getting up in her face like that? I'm starting to think the two in the same screen shot was for the Fargater fans.

I don't think it's a reset. I think he's acting the same way he acted in Avalon, The Scourge, TFH1 (not much of him in that episode, but the scene where he speaks up for the Sodan), much of Ripple Effect (minus the orange juice scene). He didn't spend all of last season acting OTT. And, as far as Mitchell's treatment of Vala being different from how the SGC treated Teal'c, well, Mitchell is a different person. It's not necessarily a guaranteed thing that Mitchell would behave differently towards Vala from how Teal'c was treated, but I don't think its out of the ordinary that he would. Eh, I'm all in a muddle, and I don't think I'm saying what I mean right. I guess it doesn't seem contrived to have one person treat someone one way, even if everyone else treated someone in the same position another way, especially if they weren't around to see how the first person had been treated. *beats head* Sorry. And, since BB and CB didn't act a thing like they did on Farscape, this Farscape fan wasn't getting all thrilled to think that Crichton and Aeryn were back just because they were in the same screen shot. I mean, they're both on the same show, so they kind of have to be in the same shot sometimes. It would be really contrived and ridiculous if they were never in the same shot.




Daniel: Oh, to see him at his most geekiness is a wonderful change from the warrior Daniel we've been getting these past few years. Seeing Daniel coming around the corner like in the old days was sooooo refreshing. He was totally in his element this episode and even though it was a team epi, I would say it pretty much centered around him and that's what made it enjoyable.

Loved the geekiness. Wish my tape hadn't messed up that first entrance, but did like all his other scenes, and how he was carrying a whole bunch of books when he came back to talk to the others.


Did AT have a cold? She did seem a bit congested.

Hmm, didn't notice anything.

As for the ending...it didn't really bother me much. You knew they would come up with an antedote and I'm really glad they didn't waste time explaining how they got to it.....we just know they did. [/QUOTE]

I didn't mind that either, especially since it wasn't SG1 who did the work of finding the antidote. I wouldn't want to watch a bunch of unknowns (I'm one of those people who has no interest in an episode about the life of the other people in the SGC) working in a lab coming up with a cure. I have no problem that they did, while SG1 slept, but I don't really care to watch it.

Farscapefan
July 23rd, 2006, 11:27 AM
Did AT have a cold? She did seem a bit congested.


I was wondering the same thing. Her voice was defiinitely changed in this scene at the beginning of the episode in the conference room, like she had nasal congestion.

Piratejenna
July 23rd, 2006, 01:53 PM
I think I would have preferred Morpheus if they'd switched the A and B-plots round, because I found the Bug-in-the-Dark stuff a little dull compared with Vala-Goes-Wild-in-the-SGC, but this really was an enjoyable episode.

BabbleDaniel is back! His Welsh accent is still a little dodgy (but hey, he's supposed to be an American, and the USA is a country where even intelligent well-educated people now seem to think that 'I-Rack' and 'Nu-cu-lar' are acceptable forms of pronunciation, so I guess Welsh really doesn't stand much of a chance). But this is the Daniel I love, clutching his books and making connections to the past, completely oblivious to the fact the mundanes can't keep up. I also loved the reactions of the other characters. Sam got her best moment of the show with 'And you say I'm hard to understand!' (perfectly delivered by AT) and Vala had this lovely half-smile of recognition - this is 'Her Daniel'.

As many others have said, I like this version of Mitchell much better that the late season 9 incarnation. I've always believed, even going back to Farscape, that Ben is a much better actor when he's having to control himself and think about what he's doing. Some actors have great instincts and act from the heart, some have good minds and act from the head. I think Ben wants to be heart actor, but he's better when he's a head actor. He seems to have found a good, naturalistic tone for Cam now and I hope he stays with it. I don't find the character wildly interesting, but Mitchell isn't the sort of type I would expect to relate to, so that doesn't matter. What matters is that this is a character I can believe in.

Sam was cool and competent and everything I've always liked about Sam, the only problem being that an episode requiring everyone to play sleepy is particularly counter-productive here. Sam is low-key at the best of times - that's part of the balance she brings to the team - and it works better when there's someone to provide contrast. Lots of semi-comatose people in a room provide little opportunity for contrast.

Yay, Teal'c gets to save the day! Admittedly, that's all he got to do, which was a bit of a shame... Note to writers: "Hi guys! Don't know if you've noticed, but there's this guy CJ in your show. Quite talented. Capable of both speech and movement. Simultaneously, if necessary. Since you're paying him, might it not be an idea to write for him?"

And Vala... On the face of it, the Vala scenes are an energetic and colorful contrast to the A-plot, but there's just so much nuance in the way CB plays her, it's not just watchable but eminently re-watchable. You can watch it once for the surface comedy from Vala, again for the reactions around her, and then watch it again to see all the little details just under the surface. Just about every scene can be taken at face value, or re-interpreted as Vala manipulating the situation. For example - when she gives her name at the beginning of the lie-detector test, Vala's eyes flick towards the machine as though wondering if it's going to detect something. Even in that little moment there's the ambiguity of whether she's really telling the truth. Later on, I think we do see Vala's real emotions and you get a sense of how little this woman has been given in life. She'd die before revealing how desperate she is to stay, but I think Vala, at some level, realises that SG-1 is her only chance of salvation.

Other things I noticed... I saw a lot of comments after Flesh & Blood saying 'why didn't they go back to the original plan and dial out of the Supergate'. Sam has a throwaway line to cover that - the Ori are blocking their attempts. Score one for the Loophole Closure Department.

You probably have to be British to get this (and southern British at that) but was I the only one who was absurdly and irrationally confused/amused when Sam said 'Where's Grimsby?' Just for a brief flash, I thought Morgana Le Fay had escaped to Grimsby (a town northeast England) and they were about to dash off in hot pursuit. I'm sorry, but it's just one of those place-names which is funny. I hope Grimsby survived. His buddies Scunthorpe and Skegness would miss him.

Skydiver
July 23rd, 2006, 03:06 PM
as to getting rid of the supergate...have they covered not quite blowing it up but simply taking one of their ships, or getting the asgard to help them, and moving it either into/near a sun or near a black hole???

let the cosmic powers of either a sun or black hole either destroy the gate or render it inoperable since it'll dump people out into nastiness???

Maj_Cliffhanger
July 23rd, 2006, 03:36 PM
as to getting rid of the supergate...have they covered not quite blowing it up but simply taking one of their ships, or getting the asgard to help them, and moving it either into/near a sun or near a black hole???

let the cosmic powers of either a sun or black hole either destroy the gate or render it inoperable since it'll dump people out into nastiness???

Interesting thought, but given the fact that it derives it's power from a microsingularity (i.e. black hole created from a collasped planet as seen in Beachead) it's probably pretty well anchored in place.

LMichelle
July 23rd, 2006, 04:38 PM
I loved Vala in this epsiode. So funny. I was laughing in most of her scenes that I only paid a limited amount of attention to the plot. I loved that Daniel advocated for her to Landry. However, I'm sure he didn't expect to be assigned as her babysitter. That should be interesting. ;)

The ending seemed a bit rushed. I mean we knew they'd be cured and see them in the isolation pods then they're all drinking coffee back at the base. Huh? Can the writers say rush job? I think they were trying to get to the last scene with Vala.

"When do I get one of those SG-1 badges?" :)

jckfan55
July 23rd, 2006, 05:18 PM
Not a bad episode. A bit too Vala heavy for my tastes, but she was ok. I like that she's a bit toned down. I actually thought there were some amusing parts (not the sexual harrassment joke, though). I liked that Sam was back in problem solving mode and Daniel was back in his area of strength too. Nice Sam-Daniel moment, but I wished there had been more of that. Loved that Teal'c got to save the day. Mitchell was not too annoying. I liked that all 4 of them were working on the same mission even if they were separated part of the time.

PG15
July 23rd, 2006, 08:30 PM
A nice little standalone, I even liked it slightly better than Flesh and Blood, given it wasn't a letdown. I mean, you can only hope for so much in an episode like this, and I got what I hoped for.

So, a few minor points:

Vala was great. She was definately toned down, but still quite quirky. The psych test was hilarious! :D

Ha! Cam had to endure Deuce Bigolo: European Gigolo. Poor boy. ;)

Like most Stargate technobabble, the mechanism of the sleeping sickness made a lot of sense; it really adds to the realism.

I guess I'm just not great at guessing my shows, but I so did not see Woolsey's test coming. I thought he was just his old bureaucratic self.

Teal'c saves the day! Woo! :D :tealc:

Nice suspense moment at the end.

Awesome revelations with Morgan Lefay. I don't know what it is, but as soon as Daniel spelled out his theories, everything became so much more real; it was no longer some clues from myths, but an actual event taking place who knows how long ago.

Alex Levine wasn't kidding when he said this was one of the best-looking episodes; the whole thing seemed to be in eternal night thanks to that fog, and really added to the sleep-"theme".

Lastly, it seemed that 6 years can really make a guy un-recognizable. I knew the doctor was Malakai, but he virtually looked like another (albeit similar-looking) man.

Score: 8

Dani347
July 23rd, 2006, 08:44 PM
A

I guess I'm just not great at guessing my shows, but I so did not see Woolsey's test coming. I thought he was just his old bureaucratic self.

Good, I feel much better now.


Thinking about it, I liked the scene with Vala Mitchell. First, storywise, it wouldn't make sense if everyone was happy about Vala joining the SGC. I'm glad someone still is wary and somewhat distrustful of her. It's only logical. And, as a fan of BB and CB as actors (meaning they can play different characters) I liked seeing them together and not seeing one single iota of the characters they played on Farscape.

Capt. Voronokova
July 23rd, 2006, 09:39 PM
Wow, haven't been around since Feb! Just wanted to come in and say how much I loved this episode.

It had all the character and team moments I've missed. Mitchell was a nice balance of funny and sorta in control. I saw him like he was earlier in Season 9. Not a total reset, but not so outta control like he was in a few episodes. Very cool. Sam's time with Janet showed in helping with the autopsy (I still miss Janet!) and her knowing looks to Teal'c and scenes with Daniel, aw. Daniel was the Daniel of old, excited about research and new adventures. Did anyone else hear Ascended Daniel when he told Sam to hold on just a little while longer? Teal'c was just his stoic never give up self. Yay Teal'c!

The ending was too abrupt, but it had more team moments. Yay!

Poor dead Malachi doctor. At least one of his team survived. Didn't he? What happened to the guy in the haystack? <b>Dani347</b>, I'm sure Landry sent the team when SG-1 was getting sicker. They didn't explain that part well. The parasites are not the same as the Ori bugs, but they may be something Morgan left. They came up with the cure from Joe Bob the lizard and Dr. Malachi and Sam's research.

Personally, I felt like we were trying to be sold on Vala being part of the SGC a bit too much, by Daniel and Vala, even when she was being honest for a change, but obviously her first approach to get into their little "stargating club" didn't work. Oh well, she should be a fun addition, if she doesn't steal the scenes.

Woolsey! Yay! My love of Robert Picardo knows little bounds (thought his role last week was unnecessary, otherwise YAY Woolsey). His role here was very predictable, but Vala's twist was funny.

I think it was a nice contained episode with a plot contrivance ending...well, it didn't have everything, but it was an entertaining hour, so that made me happy. I thought it was great.

nyxlily
July 23rd, 2006, 09:51 PM
Do we know for a fact that the parasites were left by 'Morgan'? I'm genuinely curious! It'd color our perception of her later on.. whether she's an enemy or friend to our cause. If we could trust what she says.. etc. If it -was- left by her as retribution for giving away her position, then she's pretty ruthless.. seeing as it affected everyone, including children. Let alone all wildlife and unwary travellers. So we can't count on her compassion to mere mortals. Would that alone make her an enemy?

Moonshayde
July 23rd, 2006, 09:54 PM
Some people know how rather grumpy I've been about SG-1. I didn't like Prometheus Unbound and Vala's first introduction. I don't like how Daniel's been written over the past couple of seasons. I don't like overt ship on the show (but I've fine with subtext so everyone can read what they want to read). I didn't like the focus on the Daniel/Vala comedy hour. And I was heartbroken with RDA leaving, even though I respect the actor's choice to be with his daughter.

However, I have to say that last night's ep, while not perfect, has to be one of the most enjoyable eps that I have seen in quite a long time.

Season 9 was bumpy--Sam wasn't in the first few eps. The Daniel/Vala stuff was more often OTT. But I like Landry though I miss Hammond. Mitchell started off great, got a little too wild there for a bit, but I still like the character. Teal'c's been great. There were a few eps in Season 9 I liked, a few I hated, and many I was indifferent to.

If TPTB can keep giving us eps like Morpheus, I will be one happy camper.

Onto the ep...

Morpheus starts off a little slow, but not slow in the snooze fest way. It's more akin to many of their classic eps where they start off with some back story before getting to the point (ex. Seth, The Tomb, etc.). They tied up things nicely from the first episode by mentioning what Adria is up to and moved straight into discussion of finding ways to defeat the Ori.

Daniel was very Daniel in this episode. *squee* From seeing him excited about a find, to ALL the academic research he'd done to figure out a Gate address -- this was the Daniel of old who uses his brain and his open-mindedness to find the answers.

I loved Sam's little joke about, "And you don't understand me?" to Mitchell when they didn't have a clue what Daniel was talking about.

While I don't feel that Teal'c and Vala's situations can really be compared -- no I don't buy that parallel, two different situations and circumstances and not that simple -- I am glad that Daniel was the one to speak up for her. Despite all that she's done to him, he still has this powerful drive to stick up for her, like he's always done for people in the past. This is the Daniel I know and the Daniel that I enjoy. It's the Daniel that sticks up for people and I am so glad he made an appearance today. More of this Daniel, please!!!

However, Daniel's jump to defend Vala seemed a little off. While I think it's wonderful and in character for Daniel to defend her, I felt like I missed something. Last seaosn she annoyed the heck out of and that kind of undercut his plea. Maybe if Vala had been toned down more last season, this defense wouldn't have felt like such a jump. But anyway, I am not complaining because I was tickled pink to see Daniel return :)

The Daniel and Vala scenes at the beginning were great. I got this intense older brother/little sister vibe and I rather liked it. They've really toned down the interaction between those two and it *works.* I just found the really heavy handed stuff to break the story last year and in PU in Season 8. I liked Mitchell pulling him away into the Gate room. The computer since was really good and that says a lot. Last season I didn't like Vala at all.

Speaking of Vala, I'm enjoying her so far this season. I'm still a little uneasy about how much screen time she's getting. I understand she is a regular. I was okay last week with barely any Daniel, heavy emphasis on Sam and Cam, and Vala and her daughter because it made sense in the story. This week, I think her psych evaluation plot should have been more of a subplot and not be a parallel plot to SG-1. I do believe we should have had more scenes with SG-1 in the field, but even so it didn't hurt the episode.

SG-1 on the planet. Oh man. I adored it. Simply adored it. To Daniel shouting out "hello" in that classic way of his, to Mitchell snarking away in his odd sense of humor, to Sam keeping it level, to Teal'c knocking over the old rotting outdoor furniture...loved it. Everything they did together and separate on the planet worked for me.

Vala's psych evaluation brought with it the right amount of insight into her character and enough levity to break up the creepy and "sleepy" feel to what was happening with SG-1. It balanced the episode for me, though like I said I would have preferred a little less. I loved Vala trying to study for it. The lie detector test. And I knew that Woolsy was a ploy from the very start. I liked the shrink guy. He was so normal.

And I don't find that toned down Vala is wildly out of character. I think Vala realized that her sexy ploy from last year wasn't going to work, so she is trying to a new manipulation -- trying to please people. She's still got her self-interests. She's just exploring new tactics ;)

Back on the planet...I was skeptical about Malachi (sp?) returning as an SGC doctor. But from his first line, I was like wow. He would make such a good doctor at the SGC! I believed him. He was like this upbeat guy. And then they killed him *sigh*

I liked the investiagtion of the caves and the progression of the sickness and the creepy bugs. I loved how Mitchell was griping about Daniel not going on the second trip. Loved Daniel hard at work in the research aspect in this episode, but still strong. I am loving the toned down Mitchell (let's keep him!) but he hasn't lost his sense of humor. Teal'c is always great and I'm still loving Sam.

I really really liked the throwback to The First Commandment when Teal'c mentioned there were no birds. I immediately thought of Sam telling Teal'c the same thing in The First Commandment. I don't know if this was intentional, but I made the link right away. Adored it.

I laughed when Teal'c flicked one of the red shirts with his hand. That just was priceless.

And Joe Bob! Hee hee.

I was not bothered with Sam helping with the autopsy, even if that isn't her field. They didn't have anyone else there and she did spend a lot of time with Janet over the course of the seasons. A doctor was right there with her. If anything, he probably was the one instructing her what to do, and she just went about things based on her previous knowledge. She was the most likely person out of them all to help him. Plus, they were all battling sleep. I think having two people there working together was a good idea.

I do think that at one point that Daniel was left alone and that probably wasn't the best decision. This was after his partner had fallen. He went off again and I thought maybe he shouldn't have gone alone since they had made an effort prior to that to have people in pairs or groups. Though I understand their numbers were dwindling.

We had some nice Sam and Teal'c moments, if not very brief. This was an excellent caring episode where we saw Sam and Daniel caring for each other. It was nice, warm, in a very subtle way. And I would expect that based on how tired they all were. Teal'c and Cameron was nice as well and I felt some geniune caring coming from them. I also felt the love for the team as a whole, something we really didn't get last year. I want to see more of these little moments between all the characters this season. I don't want to see some characters always paired off, like Cam always with Teal'c, or Vala always with Daniel. This episode showed a bunch of different moments. If the TPTB can keep switching them up so it feels fairly balanced over the course of the season, I will be sooo happy.

Jack would be so proud of his kids.

However, I didn't like the "skip to all better" at the end. it seemed a cop out somehow, but if they did show them recover, it would have dragged too. I think what was most jarring was seeing Sg-1 go from dead tired to perky awake and chatting causually. I think they needed to have a scene somewhere in between. And like others have said, I could do with a little more angst and grumpiness, but hey. TEAM! I was so excited over that aspect that I couldn't get down about this episode. Also, you can fanwank it that the parasite fed in a way as to keep their victims kind of docile.

The end scene was nice as well. Thank God Vala is not on SG-1! I thank TPTB for doing this. Maybe by the end of the season she will be. Maybe even by midseason. But right now, she's not and it makes sense. They were all supportive of her and Daniel seemed proud. I think he's picking up on how she's growing as a person and again, I got this big brotherly vibe from him that I really liked. Mitchell made it clear that she stay in line, but there was a general feeling of "okay let's give her a shot" type of attitude. I don't think the good she's done outweighs the bad, but things are tough for them and they are willing to take the chance. I am okay with this.

And now I am looking forward to next week. Nice lead in from this week's episode. That's three somewhat connected eps in a row. Not overly so, but enough to feel like there is continuity. I am liking this. We'll see how that one goes.

As always, these are my opinions on the show. Doesn't mean I'm right, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong either ;)

But yay SG-1! More of this SG-1 please!!!

Dani347
July 23rd, 2006, 10:22 PM
Daniel yelling "hello" reminded me a little of how he called out in the empty room in The Fifth Race. Okay, it wasn't quite the same, since there was the possibility that someone could have been hiding on the planet, but it did bring it to my mind.

scarimor
July 24th, 2006, 01:55 AM
I liked it. :)

Now this may be because all is relative and I'm comparing it to last week's poor plodder of a season premier and cliff-hanger resolution :(, but I think it's because with this episode the writers set themselves an easier task than the previous one. We had only two main locations, and they didn't screw up the cutting this time (well, maybe once, but that's better than last time). Pacing was ok too - ironically not that different from Flesh & Blood, but much more suited to the kind of story they were telling. I think they got that right by default, really.

It was a team ep for SG-1. The SG-1 ensemble worked well, without the (still)-new guy being foisted to the fore. Cameron was integrated rather than forced to dominate by contrivance. It worked much better..

The more equal group dynamic is working too. All four characters made strong suggestions and it was nice to see Sam give Cam instructions. The acting was sound. I have to paraphrase the sample-collecting exchange which gave me a laugh:

SAM (to Cam): Get some soil samples.

CAM: (tired) Why?

SAM: Because Danny says so.

CAM: mutter, grumble...

- lol.


I loved the little touches that AT put into wilting!Sam, like the clearing of her throat before she speaks, etc.

I genuinely believed that they were all exhausted too. This was far better done than, for example, the captivity scenes in Off the Grid.

Teal'c is THE MAN! What else can I say?

I'm not going to comment on the 'science' of the episode. Or the ink-blots. Never mind.

Vala makes me giggle. Again, we had one too many scenes with her juxtaposed with the other location - there was a section of SG-1 side which was far too short to accomodate another cut to the base. But the one sex joke we had (on Woolsey) was in character and made sense in the scene without being OTT, imo.

I have to add here that CB is a fine actress. She covered a range of emotions from boyant to hurt and made it look easy. Please let's have Sam and Vala interacting - these two would be awesome together.

e-dog
July 24th, 2006, 04:57 AM
Ahh, as a newbie, tread carefully with the Farscape fandom. There are those who are anti BB/Mitchell and CB/Vala and you don't want to be preceived as a Fargater ;)

Haha, I've never heard of that one. Fargater. That's actually really funny, but sure. If someone wants to get on me for liking both shows merely because I like BB and CB, I don't mind. Could prove to be amusing or intellectual discussion.

Also, having not really paid attention until now, I was pleasantly surprised to find they were actually starring and weren't guests for an episode!



Anyway, thanks for the welcome. :)

Farscapefan
July 24th, 2006, 05:03 AM
Haha, I've never heard of that one. Fargater. That's actually really funny, but sure. If someone wants to get on me for liking both shows merely because I like BB and CB, I don't mind. Could prove to be amusing or intellectual discussion.

Also, having not really paid attention until now, I was pleasantly surprised to find they were actually starring and weren't guests for an episode!



Anyway, thanks for the welcome. :)

For Claudia it's the first season when she's starring, in season 9 she was a Special Guest Star (8 episodes).

Coutelier
July 24th, 2006, 05:16 AM
However, I didn't like the "skip to all better" at the end.

Trouble is, all you'll have really got to see otherwise would be a bunch of doctors running tests and stuff on that lizard until SG-1 wakes up cured, which wouldn't have been terribly interesting to watch.

scarimor
July 24th, 2006, 07:17 AM
Trouble is, all you'll have really got to see otherwise would be a bunch of doctors running tests and stuff on that lizard until SG-1 wakes up cured, which wouldn't have been terribly interesting to watch.
This is true. And without a character of Janet's calibre to greet them on the other side and give the swift resume some impact, we were left with an explanation which fell a bit flat.

Mattathias2.0
July 24th, 2006, 07:22 AM
Then the question is...

Where is Dr. Lam?

Mattathias

Metarock Sam
July 24th, 2006, 07:29 AM
I thought it was a great episode. The team actually going through the stargate for the first time this season :).
Anyway i thought the characters did quite well in this episode. Daniel was likje old Daniel, Sam had her sciency bits, Mitchell had his sarcasm and referred to Monty Python's Holy Grail which puts him in my good books :)
Vala's tests and everything were quite good too.
This season looks brilliant !!!
One Question though is it me or is Woolsey goign to become a very major character ince he has been in all episodes of SG-1 and SGA this season.

Dark Falcon
July 24th, 2006, 07:39 AM
Yay, Teal'c gets to save the day! Admittedly, that's all he got to do, which was a bit of a shame... Note to writers: "Hi guys! Don't know if you've noticed, but there's this guy CJ in your show. Quite talented. Capable of both speech and movement. Simultaneously, if necessary. Since you're paying him, might it not be an idea to write for him?"

Well, Teal'c also pointed out that there were no birds, displaying
his environmental awareness skills.

Which, btw, is a terrific cinematic effect, kind of like an
M. Night Shayan (not quite sure how to spell his name)
movie.

One of the greatest parts of this episode was that the village
was always covered in fog, which can give us a
"we are alone, there is no way to call for help because we are
isolated from the rest of the world" kind of feel.

Plus, the fact that the set was always dark and gray added more
fear to the tone of the episode. When we learned about the
parasite, we wonder,

"did...this...thing...kill...EVERYONE and EVERYTHING?!" :eek:

One humorous part was the fact that Mitchell stayed up late
watching Bruce Jigalo: European Gigalo. This is what Mitchell's
dad probably would have said:

"CAMERON!! WHY DID YOU STAY UP LATE WATCHING BRUCE JIGALO:
EUROPEAN GIGALO WHEN YOU KNEW THAT YOU HAD A MISSION
THE NEXT DAY!!?? YOU NEED YOUR ENERGY!!!" :cameron08:

I like Mitchell:cameron:, but sometimes he does really stupid things.
:mad::cameronanime08b::cameron08:

Overall, it was a good episode. Not nearly as good as "Flesh and
Blood", but worth watching. Still, I like Cameron:):cameron:

Farscapefan
July 24th, 2006, 08:44 AM
Then the question is...

Where is Dr. Lam?

Mattathias

Working silently in her lab :) But seriously, at the time of filming this episode Lexa was about to give birth to her and Michael Shanks' second baby (their son was born late March) and it looks like we'll probably SEE her again in the second half of the season.

Heaven
July 24th, 2006, 10:37 AM
is it just me or Sam's scaning device makes REALLY annoying noise?

scarimor
July 24th, 2006, 10:40 AM
is it just me or Sam's scaning device makes REALLY annoying noise?
I suspect Sam has tweaked it deliberately to make it do that. She such a one! :samanime20:

Lokii
July 24th, 2006, 10:44 AM
I also liked the episode. Vala's stock went up and Mitchell's went down in my opinion.

The ending seemed a bit rushed.

PG15
July 24th, 2006, 02:05 PM
Then the question is...

Where is Dr. Lam?

Mattathias

Maternity leave.

Myn McGeek, Third Sentinel
July 24th, 2006, 02:37 PM
BabbleDaniel is back! Ö this is the Daniel I love, clutching his books and making connections to the past, completely oblivious to the fact the mundanes can't keep up. I also loved the reactions of the other characters. Sam got her best moment of the show with 'And you say I'm hard to understand!' (perfectly delivered by AT) and Vala had this lovely half-smile of recognition - this is 'Her Daniel'.

Daniel was very Daniel in this episode. *squee* From seeing him excited about a find, to ALL the academic research he'd done to figure out a Gate address -- this was the Daniel of old who uses his brain and his open-mindedness to find the answers.
I loved that too! I miss the old Daniel. Some have said that the reason he acts different is because over the years heís gotten more confident with himself, but thatís not what I see. Sure, thatís a good reason to act a little different, but not to the extent that he acts almost like a different person! Maybe Iím exaggerating a bit, but he just doesnít feel like the same Daniel. And this episode, while keeping with the fact that he has indeed gotten more confident and acts more confident with himself, also brought back the old Daniel feel, the geeky, excited-when-finding-something-important, archeologist/linguist we know and love. :D


While I don't feel that Teal'c and Vala's situations can really be compared -- no I don't buy that parallel, two different situations and circumstances and not that simple -- I am glad that Daniel was the one to speak up for her. Despite all that she's done to him, he still has this powerful drive to stick up for her, like he's always done for people in the past. This is the Daniel I know and the Daniel that I enjoy. It's the Daniel that sticks up for people and I am so glad he made an appearance today. More of this Daniel, please!!!
However, Daniel's jump to defend Vala seemed a little off. While I think it's wonderful and in character for Daniel to defend her, I felt like I missed something. Last seaosn she annoyed the heck out of and that kind of undercut his plea. Maybe if Vala had been toned down more last season, this defense wouldn't have felt like such a jump. But anyway, I am not complaining because I was tickled pink to see Daniel return
I was really annoyed that they had Daniel say that (about comparing Vala to Tealíc). Youíre right, Tealícís situation was way different and shouldnít of been compared to Valaís. But youíre also right about having Daniel stick up for her. At first, I was thinking, ďWhat the heck is he doing? How does one go so fast from finding someone really annoying to wanting her to join the team??Ē But, as you said, heís still Daniel and, no matter how annoying Vala is, she still has the potential to be a good person. And thatís one of the things I like about Daniel. His ability to see the potential for good, even in people who others might count out rather quickly, and, his willingness to stick up for that person. Although, this person almost doesnít count, since she did Ė and still does - annoy him SO much. But I think the reason for him sticking up for her was like he told Landry, she could plausibly be helpful, especially when it comes with dealing with Adria. And itís possible that he wasnít sticking up for her because heís just such a great guy (well.. he is.. but..), maybe it was mostly because he was simply trying to use every possible advantage they have against the Ori.


Mitchell made it clear that she stay in line, but there was a general feeling of "okay let's give her a shot" type of attitude. I don't think the good she's done outweighs the bad, but things are tough for them and they are willing to take the chance.
Precisely.


The Daniel and Vala scenes at the beginning were great. I got this intense older brother/little sister vibe and I rather liked it. They've really toned down the interaction between those two and it *works.* I just found the really heavy handed stuff to break the story last year and in PU in Season 8. Last season I didn't like Vala at all.
Speaking of Vala, I'm enjoying her so far this season. I'm still a little uneasy about how much screen time she's getting.
Same here. And I really like the older brother/little sister analogy you made. Vala is like the annoying little sister always bugging her older brother in this episode. Last season though, she was more like his best friendís annoying little sister who has a crush on him. :S I hope they keep it the way it is now, I definitely like it better. I like the new *toned down, but still annoying* Vala better than the old one. Sheís almost cuter and definitely funnier.


And I don't find that toned down Vala is wildly out of character. I think Vala realized that her sexy ploy from last year wasn't going to work, so she is trying to a new manipulation -- trying to please people. She's still got her self-interests. She's just exploring new tactics
I like that explanation. It makes sense. :D

JustÖ NO DANIEL/VALA SHIPPINGÖ please. :o


We had some nice Sam and Teal'c moments, if not very brief. This was an excellent caring episode where we saw Sam and Daniel caring for each other. It was nice, warm, in a very subtle way. And I would expect that based on how tired they all were. Teal'c and Cameron was nice as well and I felt some geniune caring coming from them. I also felt the love for the team as a whole, something we really didn't get last year. I want to see more of these little moments between all the characters this season. I don't want to see some characters always paired off, like Cam always with Teal'c, or Vala always with Daniel. This episode showed a bunch of different moments. If the TPTB can keep switching them up so it feels fairly balanced over the course of the season, I will be sooo happy.
A lot of us would be sooo happy!! (bolded for TPTB to see better :p)


I guess I'm just not great at guessing my shows, but I so did not see Woolsey's test coming. I thought he was just his old bureaucratic self.
Donít worry, PG15 and Dani, I didnít see it coming either.


Thinking about it, I liked the scene with Vala Mitchell. First, storywise, it wouldn't make sense if everyone was happy about Vala joining the SGC. I'm glad someone still is wary and somewhat distrustful of her. It's only logical.
Sure. And Iím also glad that it wasnít just Daniel who looked happy at the end. Tealíc and Sam were also both smiling when Landry told Vala that she could stay. I donít know about CamÖ I guess he was just trying to let her know that, even though sheíd be allowed to stay, that doesnít mean she doesnít need to try as hard to be good. Like, reminding her that he and the others are still the boss. Like Moonshayde said, ďMitchell made it clear that she stay in line, but there was a general feeling of "okay let's give her a shot" type of attitude. I don't think the good she's done outweighs the bad, but things are tough for them and they are willing to take the chance.Ē


Trouble is, all you'll have really got to see otherwise would be a bunch of doctors running tests and stuff on that lizard until SG-1 wakes up cured, which wouldn't have been terribly interesting to watch.
Yeah, thatís how I felt. I didnít mind the scene-cut thing.


Not a bad episode. A bit too Vala heavy for my tastes, but she was ok. I like that she's a bit toned down. I actually thought there were some amusing parts (not the sexual harrassment joke, though). I liked that Sam was back in problem solving mode and Daniel was back in his area of strength too. Nice Sam-Daniel moment, but I wished there had been more of that. Loved that Teal'c got to save the day. Mitchell was not too annoying. I liked that all 4 of them were working on the same mission even if they were separated part of the time.

That pretty much sums up how I felt about it. :)

Also, I didnít really see any difference in Cam from last season. But, I liked that. I like how Cam is, with his odd sense of humor, his somewhat crazy-ness, and his random cultural references. And of course, his Southern-ness. :D Heís supposed to be crazy, they explained that in one episode. Although, I forget which oneÖ

Oh yeah, and those of you who saw my "this episode didn't really feel.. Stargate" in the thread for the last episode, well, this one did. :D

Thatís my two cents. I certainly hope they donít go to waste. I donít have too much senseÖ um.. too many cents to begin with.

So, (judging by how much I enjoyed it, not necessarily the over all quality of the episode) I give it a 7/10.

Myn McGeek, Third Sentinel
July 24th, 2006, 02:54 PM
Oh yeah, and a few random things:

The lie detector test. I laughed a lot more than I've done with Stargate in a while. :lol:

I loved it when Daniel sat down in the chair in the scene right before Dr. Remier (sp?) died. His eyes were rolling and his head looked like it would fall off! It was so funny, especially because I had only gotten 5 hours of sleep the night before. I so related to them! :D

I love JoeBob! I hope he survived... :( And Teal'c should keep him as a pet! :D

Didn't really like Vala's pigtails.

As some other people have said, not only do people get grouchy when they need to sleep, but they can really start to hallucinate. There's so much they could've done! They should've done more with that.

I liked Vala's tantrum at the end. I didn't like her too much throughout the last season, but she has grown on me.

Bring back JoeBob!

That's all.

Farscapefan
July 24th, 2006, 03:06 PM
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I was really annoyed that they had Daniel say that (about comparing Vala to Tealíc). Youíre right, Tealícís situation was way different and shouldnít of been compared to Valaís. But youíre also right about having Daniel stick up for her. At first, I was thinking, ďWhat the heck is he doing? How does one go so fast from finding someone really annoying to wanting her to join the team??Ē But, as you said, heís still Daniel and, no matter how annoying Vala is, she still has the potential to be a good person. And thatís one of the things I like about Daniel. His ability to see the potential for good, even in people who others might count out rather quickly, and, his willingness to stick up for that person. Although, this person almost doesnít count, since she did Ė and still does - annoy him SO much. But I think the reason for him sticking up for her was like he told Landry, she could plausibly be helpful, especially when it comes with dealing with Adria. And itís possible that he wasnít sticking up for her because heís just such a great guy (well.. he is.. but..), maybe it was mostly because he was simply trying to use every possible advantage they have against the Ori.


I think it's extremely unfair to think that Daniel shouldn't compare Vala and Teal'c. You don't really know what kind of person Vala used to be before she was taken as a Goa'uld host. OK, I don't know it either, but I think Teal'c's crimes at the times when he was Apophis' First Prime were truly horrible. And don't forget it was him who took Sha're for Apophis.
Vala herself as she (not Qetesh) never killed anybody. Teal'c did.
I really don't understand people who are totally blind and simply chose not to see the vulnerability and really good heart hidden under the bravado and arrogance. Vala built thick wall around her, Daniel too. Let's hope they'll be able to destroy these walls sooner or later, because he and Vala are simply made for each other. What can I say - I'm huge Vala and Daniel shipper from the first second these two met on Prometheus.

PG15
July 24th, 2006, 05:19 PM
Ok, enough is enough.

Who's Joe Bob?! :S

nyxlily
July 24th, 2006, 05:21 PM
The cute lil' lizard thing that held the key in saving the day.

Gate Girl
July 24th, 2006, 05:46 PM
Since I didn't have any power or a way to record Morpheus, I completely missed the episode:( ; so can anyone tell me were I might find a transcript for it?
Thanks

sg-22 medic
July 24th, 2006, 06:14 PM
This was a pretty good episode, it sort of felt like an episode from the early days. The thing that really made this episode was Vala and her interactions with the "shrink" and Landry. She was just plain ole funny in a twisted sort of way. I really liked how she got at Woolsey in the end, that was classic.

esoap524
July 24th, 2006, 06:35 PM
Haha, I've never heard of that one. Fargater. That's actually really funny, but sure. If someone wants to get on me for liking both shows merely because I like BB and CB, I don't mind. Could prove to be amusing or intellectual discussion.

Also, having not really paid attention until now, I was pleasantly surprised to find they were actually starring and weren't guests for an episode!



Anyway, thanks for the welcome. :)


Eh, don't worry about those crazy Farscape fans *snerk*... I'm one of them. There's plenty out there, fans of both shows, fans of the actors enough that we'll follow them to their "new" show and enjoying the new interaction/dynamic between the actors. I'm here for Ben/Claudia but enjoying everyone else at the same time, so much so that other than Vala being my favorite (I really like Claudia's turn with this nutcase of a character), I can't decide which of the other four I like best. Mitchell? Carter? Daniel? Teal'c? Can't decide :tealc: :sam: :daniel: :cameron:


Anyway, I like what someone else posted about Vala--maybe it was Dani?--the sex stuff didn't really work so now she's going for pleasing people. And I'd say the scenes between her and Daniel when he's explaining the Arthurian stuff and she's quietly and ever so helpfully handing him the texts, and he looks so danged pleased with himself...those were some of the funniest. Not a word passed between them but watch her expression as he talks. It's priceless.

I thought Cam's commentary was funny. Joe Bob! Indeed. I liked how he described that he was cussing and telling Teal'c to leave him behind only to discover that ...Teal'c had left him behind!

The plot itself didn't excite me too much and it was a sort of weird light/dark episode in tone but I thought the character interactions were a lot of fun. I liked that Teal'c made a decision and then Cam agreed. It is more like a team--although Cam is the appointed leader, anyone who has the best suggestion gets to put it forth and they act on it as opposed to one guy telling everyone else what to do.

Dani347
July 24th, 2006, 07:14 PM
Anyway, I like what someone else posted about Vala--maybe it was Dani?--the sex stuff didn't really work so now she's going for pleasing people.


Nope, although I'd love to take the credit for anything anyone finds intelligent or correct.

Myn McGeek, Third Sentinel
July 25th, 2006, 01:37 AM
I think it's extremely unfair to think that Daniel shouldn't compare Vala and Teal'c. You don't really know what kind of person Vala used to be before she was taken as a Goa'uld host. OK, I don't know it either, but I think Teal'c's crimes at the times when he was Apophis' First Prime were truly horrible. And don't forget it was him who took Sha're for Apophis.
Vala herself as she (not Qetesh) never killed anybody. Teal'c did.
You had to bring up Sha're... But seriously, I'm not saying that there lives were totally different, I'm saying the whole situation surrounding their joining the SGC is different. Some major reasons are that Jack and Hammond aren't there. The SGC has different leaders. Also, the reasons for Vala joining are a little different than Teal'c's. It's not just a matter of two aliens joining us to fight our enemies, it's more complicated than that. And all that aside, what I meant when I said that it really annoyed me that Daniel would compare their situations wasn't that it really annoyed me how their situations were compared, what I meant was that it annoyed me that Daniel would do the comparing. Actually, bringing up Sha're helps my point a little. Having Daniel compare their situations with each other was just out of Character, IMO, because how he felt towards Teal'c at the begining was very different from how he felt towards Vala. "Here's this man who has done these evil things and, oh yeah, taking my wife away from me was one of them, now these people want him to help us because they believe he's changed and I suppose I can believe it too." - 9 years later - "Now, here's this girl who I find really annoying and is a liar and a theif, but I think she is really a good person underneath it all and I think she might be able to help us with certain things." They are different. Not in the sense that I think Teal'c deserved to join us and Vala didn't, I have nothing against it. I just don't feel that it was realistic to have him compare them.


I really don't understand people who are totally blind and simply chose not to see the vulnerability and really good heart hidden under the bravado and arrogance.
I never said I didn't see it. In fact, I believe I said I did. I like Vala and as Daniel is slowly opening up to her and seeing the good in her, so am I. He and I are kinda doing it simultaniously. Seriously. Like in "Flesh and Blood" when he says that he's finally begining to understand her more, that's around the same time I came to the same conclusion. :D She's definitely growing on me. :)


Vala built thick wall around her, Daniel too. Let's hope they'll be able to destroy these walls sooner or later, because he and Vala are simply made for each other. What can I say - I'm huge Vala and Daniel shipper from the first second these two met on Prometheus.
That.. I will admit is where we're just going to have to agree to disagree, my friend. :sam59:

Myn McGeek, Third Sentinel
July 25th, 2006, 01:44 AM
Nope, although I'd love to take the credit for anything anyone finds intelligent or correct.
All righty, then. There was this guy who made this post in some other thread and I really liked this guy's post, I think it was one of the most intelligent, correct, interesting, most impressive post I have ever seen in my entire life.... Thank you so much, Dani!! I don't know what we'd do without you! :samanime51:

I'm sorry, that was OT and really dumb... :sam49:

Farscapefan
July 25th, 2006, 09:05 AM
Since I didn't have any power or a way to record Morpheus, I completely missed the episode:( ; so can anyone tell me were I might find a transcript for it?
Thanks

Should be available quite soon HERE (http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/wiki/Season_Ten_Transcripts)

Gate Girl
July 25th, 2006, 11:06 AM
Thanks, Farscapefan!!!

creed462
July 25th, 2006, 03:19 PM
I thought it was very good

OutThere
July 27th, 2006, 09:08 AM
I had to stop watching this episode in the middle and get back to it later for reasons beyond my control, so maybe it's just me, but I thought this episode started off great, and then just fizzled. I liked the creepy atmosphere of the planet, the whole don't go to sleep or you die bit, but the end was sort of just blah. Maybe it would have worked better if Cam and Teal'c knew what Daniel and Sam had uncovered about the parasite, and Sam and Daniel knew about the lizard. At least then they all would have known how close they were to a solution, and it would have felt more that they were all working together even though the team was split.

As much as I like Vala, and even though I laughed my head off at the ink blot test, I found that story more of a distraction near the end of the episode. Maybe because it ended up being more interesting than the A plot near the end, and it shouldn't've been, because it was pretty predictable. And the comedy bits interspersed with the team in danger of dying horribly on creepy alien planet bits was a bit of a jarring switch back and forth. Killed the mood.

Anyone know how long SG1 actually spent on the planet? I lost track of time, possible because of having to watch the episode in two halves.

ChillinTheMost
July 27th, 2006, 02:25 PM
I want to chime in with those that liked this episode a lot. It wasn't action packed; I wasn't sitting on the edge of my seat wondering if SG-1 was going to succomb to the sleeping death thing, but it was a nice episode with some nice interactions between the team. Some low-keyed humor appropriate to the situation and a team that seemed to like and get along with each other. It was quite nice.

The Vala subplot was fine, if a little over the top or unbelievable at times. That the psychologist was "not objectionable" was a lie and a big enough lie to make the needle have convulsions? He wasn't that bad. Even though it may have been a little over the top, I thought it was funny when she was telling the woman gate dialer that she never liked her and I had never even seen her before. Maybe you all have, but I thought it was funnier that she was saying that to someone that I could surmise that she had never seen before either. I don't know why, it just seems funnier that way.

I had no problem with the ending. They showed us Carter and the other doctor doing the research, they showed us Teal'c capturing and bringing JoeBob/Junior/Kermit out of the cave to be used for research, I didn't need to see JoeBob autopsied to find out why he was immune to the bug or to see tech mixing formulas to know they quickly found a cure. I was satisfied with the explanation we were given. Also, I wonder if we weren't shown this because the actress that plays Dr.Lam is on maternity leave and it would have fallen on her to do this work. [My apologies, my mind is drawing a blank on her name. It's short. 4 letters? Aaargh.]

Anyway, I thought this episode was great and on rewatch it was even better to see the little character moments.

ChillinTheMost
July 27th, 2006, 02:31 PM
...Anyone know how long SG1 actually spent on the planet? I lost track of time, possible because of having to watch the episode in two halves.
I'm not sure if we ever knew for sure. At one time Cameron said, and Sam confirmed, that they had been awake for 24 hours. That was before Cameron and Teal'c went back to the cave. Assuming they left a reasonable time after they woke that morning, a little more than a day?

[24 hours, subtract maybe 2 for getting up, getting ready, breakfast and briefing; then add a few hours of deciding to go back to the cave and waking there and then the cave exploration... I don't get the impression that there was that much "down" time in between, but I could be wrong.]

Maybe someone can come up with a better timeline? Maybe next time I'll remember to look for that. I know we saw nighttime...

Conor
July 27th, 2006, 02:36 PM
That doctor on the planet with SG-1, looked very familiar to me for some reason....Anyone else?

PG15
July 27th, 2006, 02:45 PM
He's the scientist from Window of Opportunity.

Dani347
July 27th, 2006, 03:02 PM
The Vala subplot was fine, if a little over the top or unbelievable at times. That the psychologist was "not objectionable" was a lie and a big enough lie to make the needle have convulsions? He wasn't that bad.



True, but Vala might have thought that he looked hideous, which would make anything vaguely positive coming out of her mouth a lie.

Coutelier
July 27th, 2006, 03:08 PM
True, but Vala might have thought that he looked hideous, which would make anything vaguely positive coming out of her mouth a lie.

Or it could be that she really was attracted to him, but the machine interpreted a slight rise in blood pressure as her lying. Or he was making her nervous... those are some of the reasons why lie detectors aren't generally admissable in Courts.

Maj_Cliffhanger
July 27th, 2006, 03:27 PM
Well, for what it's worth, I found this episode more enjoyable the second time around. The A plot is stronger than I thought - but still not as good as it could have been. How Daniel and Carter felt about the possibility of Morgana's relationship to the parasites could have been clearer, as could the cause of Dr. Riemer's death (which the first time through I thought was caused by a parasite in his heart - not the over use of stimulants.) Their attempted resusitation could have been done better too. (Scenes like that just make me cringe) Still - I did enjoy it more the second time through. There were a lot of little gems - just looks and moments between the various characters - that gave the A plot a little more depth than I'd thought the first time through. The B plot remained strong - but wasn't as jarring for me this time through so I was able to sit back and enjoy it more. I still wish they'd given us a better ending for the A plot and still feel cheated by it - but it's an eminantly rewatchable episode.

JMHO!

JanusAncient
July 27th, 2006, 06:29 PM
Was it just me, or did anyone else think that Daniel was faking being tired?

majorsal
July 27th, 2006, 09:04 PM
so, i rewatched morpheus last night. i REALLY enjoyed it! :D all i had to do was fastforward through all the vala and mitchell parts, and it felt like an old fashioned stargate sg1 episode. ;)




sally :sam: