On the way into season two, many fans (myself included) were talking about how bad a character Ronon was, how he was so out-of-place in Atlantis and how his character was just all-around not likeable and unnecessary. I wonder- How many others like me have changed their minds? By the end of the season I viewed Ronan as a valuable member of Shep's team and a very amusing character, even if he did still have some moments (such as pointing his gun at Michael's head) that annoyed me? I hope he stays on the show for a long time to come, because I feel that his evolution as a character is just beginning.
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I didn't like him much in Runner because of how cliche he seeemed, but he has improved. He is nowhere as cool as Ford but I'm willing to give him a chance. I'm just hoping his big season 3 episode will live up to my hopes.
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Nope, still see him as cliched and a bit boring.
I'm still not quite over how the hell he got appointed to SA-1 in the first place. What do we really know about him? He's a un-communicative stranger with violent tendencies that spent the last seven years on the run from the Wraith.
Not exactly a picture of mental health or at all representative of who the Atlantis base are or what they're for. Teyla's appointment I understand, she's an ambassador, a guide. Ronan? A violent stranger with no ties of loyalty to the Atlantis project. His inclusion just feels really false.
I could probably get over that if they'd taken efforts with him to make him interesting but I don't feel that they have. I really hope something happens with him in S3 - development or death.
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Only a sith deals in absolutes.Originally posted by silverdamascus
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Ronon IS out of place in Atlantis, and a loose cannon as well. That's what I like about him, and I hope the writers don't change him.
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I see Ronon's being asked to join the team as a case of desperate times calls for desperate measures situation. SGA was in the midst of a temporary stay of execution at the hands of the Wraith and suddenly, Ronon, a man who managed to survive as Wraith bait for several years practically falls into their laps. They would have been fools not to take a chance on him, IMO.sigpic
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I agree with Maxbo..but to answer the first question. I had my worries about him, because I was given the impression he was there to break things and be reckless..it was after watching eps like Trinity, Duet, and Inferno that I felt I was given a whole new Ronon. And I loved it.. He was just at moments softer, he's not like a guy taken off his meds..he can be resilient and intelligent, it's impressive. Now my only problem is that I want them to use his skill as a military specialist. I want to see scenes where we see him work out a military game plan.
Maybe something before a mission if they hear that the villagers are a bit hostile. Things like that...or a search and rescue mission...somthing a bit more dyanmic than what we saw in Michaels. My mind wasn't changed about him...because...heck I like all the characters. But it definitely in later eps I got a different persona from him that I'd like to see delved in....so can someone say I'm ecstatic about Sateda...that's just putting it mildly.
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I unfortunately would have to say that I hate him even more now than I did when he was introduced.
When he was introduced he seemed like he was going to be nothing but Teal'c MKII with the rest being filled in with cliches. The reality was actually worse. They took out all the good things about Teal'c and just replaced them with more cliches.
He could have been an interesting character if they'd focussed more on his traumatic past as a runner and how it changed him, or made it difficult for him to reintigrate into human social groups. Isntead they've just reduced him to the role of "big dumb fighter guy" who doesn't really get a lot to do aside from beat people up and stand around trying to look mean. He's another superhero in a show that desperately needs some actual human characters.Comment
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The "loose cannon" bit is part of why he shouldn't be on the frontline team. It just makes you wonder what the hell Weir was thinking. That just jars with me, it seems kinda not right he was put on there.Originally posted by FoolishPleasureRonon IS out of place in Atlantis, and a loose cannon as well. That's what I like about him, and I hope the writers don't change him.
There's pleanty of trained, loyal muscle around Atlantis if they wanted that. Teyla can track and whatever. It would have been stupid to let him go but it was nuts putting him on the front team. Mr Loose Cannon, lets-threaten-our-trade-partners-then-kill-someone isn't exactly going to make friends.
Oddly enough it's also partly the fact that he's not really as out of place that as he should be. He was accepted too quickly with too few reservations. It's like Ouroboros was getting at, 7 years on the run and not a mention of how it affects him, just brought up to back up the "big, tough fighter" image.
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This is one of the things that irritates me most about him, his seemingly constant and needlessly hostile bad attitude toward others.There's pleanty of trained, loyal muscle around Atlantis if they wanted that. Teyla can track and whatever. It would have been stupid to let him go but it was nuts putting him on the front team. Mr Loose Cannon, lets-threaten-our-trade-partners-then-kill-someone isn't exactly going to make friends.
His behavior was almost entirely responsible for tipping Michael off to the fact there was something wrong with him to. Great job Ronon, you get in the guys face so many times over nothing that you get him searching for a reason why and when he finds it he becomes naturally hell bent on escape and almost kills Teyla.
If they'd kept Michael ignorant of the truth for longer and let him bond more with the Atlantis people he probably would not have reacted the way he did when he remembered he was a Wraith.
The same thing goes for Ellia. Would she possibly have acted less rashly than she did had she not been given that cruel slap in the face reminder of how much humans despise her by good old Mr. Dex.
Sure both of these are what if scenarios but I firmly believe that it RARELY ever benefits an individual to carry himself with a constant prick attitude the way Ronan does, especially not in situations of delicate diplomacy like SGA often gets placed in.Comment
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I like him for the unchartered parts that we've seen glimpses on...and for that I hope to see more of. But I totally agree with the above assesment. It is his recklessness which could get people killed. Just looking at Trinity is a perfect example. Putting Teyla in the middle of a cross fire, is not cute or cool and goes against any sort of code on watching your partners back---just to get your own vengence. I mean for an action like that, if John knew, he would be off the team and probably dumped in some weird off world planet. Personally, it wasn't enough that Teyla gave him a tongue lashing. Shoot, I can even see at times why people felt that he had a level of blame in what happened in Michael.Originally posted by silverdamascus
But again, I liked that moment where he wasn't guarded...it just brought a new definition to him...and that's something I think the writers can feed and grow on. It's that humanness that Ford had that appealed to me...so Ronon has potential and not a total loss. Of course it can't be the only thing alone...becuase he has to realize that he's back to working on a TEAM now, and he's not some loan hunter/prey any longer---and as such he has to be able to think rationally (at times), watch his partners back, and be careful not to put him or who ever he's with in unnatural danger.
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IMHO I think the SGA team makeup should pack more heat than the teams in SG1 mainly because the difference of their situations.
The Pegasus galaxy has been under constant culling for 10,000 years and the Wraith are everywhere. Many of the human civilizations have had no chance to develop and offer very little technology or knowledge that can be used.
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Milky way, The gaould do not have such a tight grasp on the galaxy and there are many civilizations that have had the opportunity to develop.
That being said - An SG team's primary objective is to aquire technology and allies. An SGA team is basically trying to survive and stop the Wraith from coming to earth... diplomacy is sort of a secondary objective.
I think Ronon is evolving as a character. He may have anger management issues, but his loyalty does lie with his team. If anything thats why I think hes on the team because of his combat experience and loyalty to his friends. His combat experience is needed to make up where McKay is lacking. And theres no one better to back you up when dealing with the Wraith.
Hes not as cold stone as he appears to be, There are times when you can just tell hes grown to love his team members.Spoiler:
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hehe i absolutely adore ronon (if it isnt obvious already). he's quickly kicked daniel off my favourite stargate character position. hes so imperfect and throughout the season you get to see little glimpses of him changing and adapting to atlantis.
at the same time, its not like we're watching atlantis on a day to day basis. time between episodes can be anything from a day to a few months down the track. wouldn't it be natural for people to get used to him by the end?
also if i was in wiers position... i might have done the same thing and let ronon on board. actually scratch that. i'd put him on observation for at least a year and give shep's team an extra member. but ronon does have skills that the others wouldnt and we still have to see his military side shine a bit more.
i also dont agree with ronon being the dumb strong guy. fair enough he may have his himbo moments i.e.
"is that a door?" 
"yes it's surprisingly door-like" but even though he doesnt say much, you can tell he's thinking. and he keeps to his instincts... although i was a bit annoyed with him in michael for acting like that but i dont blame him. i think he over-reacted a little but in the end, he was the only one who was right even though his actions did cause michael to find out who he really was.
ronon's a great character because he sticks to what he believes in. he doesnt waver like some others. i cant wait for sateda i hear it'll be an awesome ep. he brings something to atlantis that no other could imho. i love all his interactions with the expedition members too. they call for great amusement.
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I think my main issue is when I saw Condemned, The Tower, Michael, Allies (just makes no sense), that I get peeved at the way Ronon is made out to be. I understood him in Instincts, thought he did have a moment of salvation in Michael towards the end with the tracking, parts of Conversion, and others...and I liked him in Duet and Inferno. I like it when he uses his brain.
I felt the first eps I mentioned, really showed him as reckless and very very out of control. It's like he shouldn't be on a team...and the scene in Condemned--although I didn't find degrading for the other characters, made Ronon look like a caged dog...he just couldn't even take orders well. John had to even say, paraphrasing, 'Do I have to make it an order?'---it's like if his master doesn't say heel, he'll just keep on going. It's things like that, that really bug me about the character and make him appear a 'dumb strong guy'. I sometimes get the impression that when he wants to fight they say--'go fetch' to Ronon, similar to what happened in CM. Although as I've said, we've been given scenes where there's more than that.Comment
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That's the part of the character that I'm especially fond of, the fact that he has found a way to evolve and adapt in a way that does not hurt his caharcter but actually enriches it.Originally posted by eri-chan
Personally I didn't like Ronon's actions in Michael because they epitomized exactly what I'd hoped the Ronon charcter had moved away from throughout the season. However, this makes sense in the plot because of his rough past with the Wraith; It makes sense that he would be prejudiced.although i was a bit annoyed with him in michael for acting like that but i dont blame him. i think he over-reacted a little but in the end, he was the only one who was right even though his actions did cause michael to find out who he really was.
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