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GateWorld
August 5th, 2004, 08:39 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 110</FONT>
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When a massive storm threatens the city, Atlantis is evacuated -- only to be taken over by the team's newest enemy.

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Mr. Seven
September 17th, 2004, 07:01 PM
I hate two parters...

This was a good episode though.

It sucks that we have to wait months when you know the second part is already in the can and they're just sitting on it though.

Avalar
September 17th, 2004, 07:01 PM
I liked the tricky relations between the Genii Commander and Sheppard near the end. Can't wait for the second part.

DownFallAngel
September 17th, 2004, 07:02 PM
This episode was awesome!

SGA is awesome!

major al
September 17th, 2004, 07:03 PM
Awesome episode, I love it, cant wait for the second part.... just wow at the wait time :/

here goes my post buried under others.

PYRO
September 17th, 2004, 07:06 PM
Good episode from what I saw, about 30 min into it.


Those two men I think were the first to die since Sumner I think.

Mr. Seven
September 17th, 2004, 07:07 PM
What do you think the chances are of the Jenai having people with the ancient gene? I'm betting that spicy little red head has it if anyone...

I'm looking forward to seeing Shepard off the guy from the Goonies.

I think Shepard was on to something though with the lightning rods...obviously they were there for a reason, perhaps they were already a fail safe incase the ZPM's failed during the storm?

ShadowMaat
September 17th, 2004, 07:08 PM
It was very surreal seeing Bailey Malone as a bad guy. Good job by Davi, though.

Loved the interplay between McKay and Dr. Zelenka, he's almost as cool as McKay. Almost. :P Loved Rodney's frustration with Dr. Z's interruptions, too.

Very interesting plot developments all around and it's going to be a long few months waiting for part 2. *sigh* I'm not sure I buy Genii Chick going all sympathetic for the Atlanteans, though. She has more reason than anyone to hate them.

Poor Rodney. He put on a brave front and managed to accomplish some good, but he's still the weakest link. ;) Although I can't say I'd have reacted any differently if someone had been cutting into my arm. Hewlett has a very expressive face. Love that.

Gotta say, I think I'm finally warming to Weir.

How come Beckett is the one making command decisions about whether or not to fly? He's not a pilot, is he?

DownFallAngel
September 17th, 2004, 07:09 PM
Good episode from what I saw, about 30 min into it.


Those two men I think were the first to die since Sumner I think.

First two Tau'Ri.

Mr. Seven
September 17th, 2004, 07:12 PM
How come Beckett is the one making command decisions about whether or not to fly? He's not a pilot, is he?

As seen in episode 1 he has the ancient gene as well. He was the only one who could fly it as far as I know.

Excali5033
September 17th, 2004, 07:12 PM
He has the gene, Ford doesn't. I guess that means he has a better chance of getting the ship to perform the way they want.

Have they actually said what branch Ford's in?

Anyway, this ep was pretty good. I hope Shep gives those Genii jerks what's coming to them.

Mio
September 17th, 2004, 07:13 PM
Wow.

The views of the city were stunning.

Hmm, good enough to make me forget what I was going to say about the story itself. Oh well!

Elitenova
September 17th, 2004, 07:16 PM
Ford is in the United States Marine Corp.

ShadowMaat
September 17th, 2004, 07:17 PM
*cough*thread needs to be sticky*cough*

City views were very nice, but the pull back with the storm clouds was unconvincing. The wavery blackness at the top of the screen seemed more like a problem with my TV set than part of the scene. ;)

Got to see the Genii Underground again. Still love that. Still love the waterfall. :)

How come Dr. Zelenka didn't stay? He and Rodney worked closely on formulating the plan, and while Rodney is great (loved the Superman line) it might have been good to have some backup.

TheHomegaMan
September 17th, 2004, 07:18 PM
Very cool. McKay looked very scared during many of the scenes. Too bad we didn't see Halling this episode. I miss that dude.

And I bet you Weir haters both love and hate the cliffhanger we're left with! :S

TechnoBoY
September 17th, 2004, 07:18 PM
Great ep! Wow! I am so happy my power didnt cut out! A lot of these Pegasas people are annoying as hell. I saw let them die! :D I cant wait until January! WOW! Gonna be so good!

keshou
September 17th, 2004, 07:20 PM
Excellent episode...

*Bought the whole giant storm thing and loved the lightning rod solution McKay and Zelenka came up with. Those two are worth the price of admission. The hurricane looked just like the weather channel these days. :p

*Nice tie-in between the Manarans and the Genii. The capture of Atlantis by Kolya (a loose cannon if there ever was one) was very tense

*Love McKay clueing Shep in and Sheppard and Kolya's cat and mouse game at the end. It was nice to see Shep in action again.

*Teyla's end of the story was a little duller but a good way to keep them out of the picture for awhile. I assume Beckett was in charge of the jumper because he has the ancient gene and was piloting.

*Sheppard and Weir were both very good in this episode. Weir was brave, smart and I bought her as a commander standing up to Kolya

*Wonderful tension and pacing in this episode.

*Excellent effects. I'd missed seeing more of the city and the planet and it was nice to see all those sets used effectively in this episode.

And now for a three month wait! :D

greytop
September 17th, 2004, 07:22 PM
I feel sorry for Rodney, being hurt. The Genii makes the wound worse by being down on it.

Cain't wait for the second half. I want to see Sheppard and the rest of team kick some major rear end. :)

Mr. Seven
September 17th, 2004, 07:25 PM
I bet McCay wishes he had a few more of those personal shield generators around. He could have used it this episode...maybe Sheppard will find one, even though he won't need it since he's going up against a bunch of teeny-boppers led by some soldier of fortune wannabe.

Slainey
September 17th, 2004, 07:26 PM
I know they couldn't have planned this but seeing a fictional hurricane after all the real ones the last few weeks was odd. On that note however, did anyone else think "trailer park" when the Puddlejumper occupants decided to wait out the storm.

I love Rodney more than ever but that boy needs to work on his poker face.

zats
September 17th, 2004, 07:28 PM
What was good:
a. Good dialogue, esp. between McKay and Zelenka, McKay and Weir, McKay and Sheppard...okay, make that McKay and everyone, actually.
b. Brilliant cliffhanger, the kind that everyone (moi included) complains about and (mostly everyone) reads spoilers for and predicts fantastic endings of and generally can't wait for.
c. Thanks to the break, (grr) my Fridays are now actually open, or so I'm told. What? People do something besides Stargate on Friday evenings? Why wasn't I alerted? Did I miss that memo?
d. Plot. Great. Period.

What wasn't so good:
a. Beckett. Look, I like the poor guy. Him being the damp (no pun intended) rag on the jumper drove me nuts. I can understand his reluctance to sally forth, but he seemed too emphatic for my refined palate.
b. My Fridays are now free. What excuse will I have for being a recluse, now? Reruns? They'll never buy that. Maybe I can tell them I missed that memo, too.

Mr. Seven
September 17th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Yeah it was weird watching this when rain from Ivan (now a Storm) is coming down in buckets outside...

Great timing.

DownFallAngel
September 17th, 2004, 07:29 PM
The best moment, is now immortalized in my signature.

zats
September 17th, 2004, 07:31 PM
How come Dr. Zelenka didn't stay? He and Rodney worked closely on formulating the plan, and while Rodney is great (loved the Superman line) it might have been good to have some backup.

Budget cuts. Betcha anything.

Mr. Seven
September 17th, 2004, 07:32 PM
That was funny, but I think the best part was Sheppard filling in the guy on what he did wrong.

McCay is always funny though, he's good for at least 4 laughs an episode.

Beckett could really say anything and it would sound funny, his accent's like that. No disrespect to the Scotts.

Drewbert
September 17th, 2004, 07:32 PM
I don't understand how the lightning idea would work... once lightning struck, wouldn't the sheilds go up, blocking anymore lightning strikes?

zats
September 17th, 2004, 07:33 PM
The best moment, is now immortalized in my signature.

Why didn't I think of that? Drat. And Mio got the one about a thousand hamsters instead of a cell culture...I swear, it's a subversive evil plot. Grrr.

ShadowMaat
September 17th, 2004, 07:33 PM
What wasn't so good:
a. Beckett. Look, I like the poor guy. Him being the damp (no pun intended) rag on the jumper drove me nuts. I can understand his reluctance to sally forth, but he seemed too emphatic for my refined palate.
Not everyone is cut out to be a hero. SOME people have to act as the voices of rationality in a sea of kamikaze testosterone. :P As frustrated as I am with Beckett's reluctance, I also understand and sympathize with him. He's also thinking of the young, innocent lives he has onboard. Lives which will be in jeopardy not only from the flight attempt, but from any battle taking place at Atlantis which, itself, isn't terribly safe from the storm.

Mr. Seven
September 17th, 2004, 07:34 PM
It would only take once I think. In Back to the Future they subsititued lightning energy for plutonium...so it would have to be a large power source...but doesn't it drain fast?

Yeah you're right that is a little spotty.

ShadowMaat
September 17th, 2004, 07:35 PM
By the way, if people are going to be including snippets of dialogue from eps that have just aired, might it not be wise to put those snippets in spoiler tags so that anyone who hasn't seen the ep yet won't have part of the story ruined?

Mio
September 17th, 2004, 07:39 PM
I don't understand how the lightning idea would work... once lightning struck, wouldn't the sheilds go up, blocking anymore lightning strikes?
Well, when the shield went down again, It would nearly instantly be back up. So I'm assuming a neverending cycle of On for a few seconds, off for like half a second, repeat.

That would still save the city.

DownFallAngel
September 17th, 2004, 07:43 PM
By the way, if people are going to be including snippets of dialogue from eps that have just aired, might it not be wise to put those snippets in spoiler tags so that anyone who hasn't seen the ep yet won't have part of the story ruined?

Mine is to hilarious of a moment to through into spoiler tags! Plus, it gives away no core information.

(Don't smite me!)

Mio
September 17th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Mine is to hilarious of a moment to through into spoiler tags! Plus, it gives away no core information.

(Don't smite me!)
<Smites DFA with a stapler>

NurseRatched
September 17th, 2004, 07:49 PM
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

This episode coincided with the RL intrusion of Hurricane Ivan into many peoples' lives, giving it a tad more punch. Add some treachery, some truly despicable villains and one hell of a cliffhanger and you've got "The Storm".

I can see how the Manarians and Sgt. Bates got along so well. Sliiiiiimyyyy people. Hopefully Sheppard & Co. will pay the Manarian leader a return visit soon and return the "favor".

Not too much from Teyla so far, but I've seen the preview pictures for "The Eye", so all is not lost.

Ford: Aside from the (good) strong motivation to return to Atlantis (on a jumper piloted by Beckett, through a hurricane, with civilians aboard? Think, man!), he's again relegated to Lt. State-The-Obvious. ("You mean to say-?" Please. We can follow a plot just fine by ourselves.) The man needs some dialogue worthy of his place in the credits.

Beckett: I could just eat him up with a spoon. "Inoculating some wee babies..."

Weir: Uh-huh. The writers gave her some good meaty stuff this week. Of course, her best diplomatic arguments weren't effective with Kolya...

McKay: At his intense best. Loved the interaction with Zelenka. "Leaning" on the comm panel in order to let Sheppard know what was going on...delegating the most physically demanding grounding station tasks to Sheppard...

Sora: Came across quite a bit softer than I was expecting her to be; described as a "skilled fighter" in "Underground" and bent on vengeance, I expected her to be ruthless. Maybe once Teyla shows up the claws will come out...

Kolya: Wow. What a character (and portayed so well!) Ice cold, smart and able to stay (so far) a step ahead of Sheppard in terms of negotiating position.

Sheppard: Loving the cat-and-mouse stuff: hiding the C-4 (but placing a walkie-talkie there instead); anyone else wonder why he didn't put his jumper in "cloaked" mode to conceal his location if he needed to? (in "Underground" they left a jumper invisible on the Wraith ship...)

The cliffhanger was just great. (and of course left me wondering why the SG-1 summer finale couldn't have given us something half as juicy instead of the Deus Ex Machina Du Jour stuff.)

It's going to be a looooooooong wait.

zats
September 17th, 2004, 07:49 PM
Not everyone is cut out to be a hero. SOME people have to act as the voices of rationality in a sea of kamikaze testosterone. :P As frustrated as I am with Beckett's reluctance, I also understand and sympathize with him. He's also thinking of the young, innocent lives he has onboard. Lives which will be in jeopardy not only from the flight attempt, but from any battle taking place at Atlantis which, itself, isn't terribly safe from the storm.

Kamikaze testosterone. Nicely put, seriously (I'm not being snitty; actually, I'm laughing). And I had forgotten about the three Athosians onboard and Beckett's likely more "rational" when it comes to saving lives. Point taken. Thank you.

DownFallAngel
September 17th, 2004, 07:50 PM
<Smites DFA with a stapler>

Now I'll never get the cover of SciFI weekly, with a staple in my forehead!

GhostPoet
September 17th, 2004, 07:55 PM
I was BLOWN away by the Storm
*snicker*

No really..I really really liked it. :)

zats
September 17th, 2004, 07:59 PM
I was BLOWN away by the Storm
*snicker*

No really..I really really liked it. :)

Okay, bad joke...but I sense hope for you. :rolleyes: Yes, it was good. Can't wait for "The Eye"! [Counts down to January]

Mr. Seven
September 17th, 2004, 08:05 PM
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.


Sora: Came across quite a bit softer than I was expecting her to be; described as a "skilled fighter" in "Underground" and bent on vengeance, I expected her to be ruthless. Maybe once Teyla shows up the claws will come out...



Yeah maybe her and Teyla will fight hand to hand or with poles.

ShadowMaat
September 17th, 2004, 08:06 PM
Okay, bad joke...but I sense hope for you. :rolleyes: Yes, it was good. Can't wait for "The Eye"! [Counts down to January]
So is this where I say that I hope the Atlantis crew sticks it to them in The Eye? *blinks innocently*

DownFallAngel
September 17th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Someone hand me my Kull gauntlets.

Maat, you've got a 5 second head start.....go.

DJFavorite
September 17th, 2004, 08:10 PM
Great Episode!!

I thought how interesting that the Manarans (is that who they were?) are not the 'nice' guys we thought they were. I wonder if SGA finds out how they were deceived.

McKay and Zelenka were cool. How they both look like they are trying to out do each other.

The ending was great. The gatelet was jumping up and down wondering why they do that to us. Can't wait until part two.

chiefchucky
September 17th, 2004, 08:11 PM
why of all the episodes to mis did I miss Underground!!!! This episode was awesome! I hope we get to see Sheppard go darkside on Koyla and I mean darkside! Their is gonna be a wild showdown between those two a battle of which titans would run from! Can't wait till January now... Has anyone figured out cryogenics yet?

DarkQuee1
September 17th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Whether Kolya believed her or not, I kept wondering why Weir didn't tell him (when he asked why she would assume that the people from Earth were more likely to have the gene) that the Ancients not only came from our galaxy to the Pegasus galaxy, but also that they probably originated on Earth?

J.

cobraR478
September 17th, 2004, 08:15 PM
That would be giving intel to the enemy.

Jonas
September 17th, 2004, 08:30 PM
Very good episode. Now comes the bad part, waiting till January for "The Storm" Good performances in this episode from Sheppard, McKay, and Weir. Loved that Superman line and McKay and Zelenka together was hilarious. Also nice to see Colm Meaney back, if only briefly. Robert Davi was excellent. I hope he doesnt get killed off. Anyone else get a "Die Hard" feeling to this episode with Sheppard stealing the C4 ala John McClane taking the radio dentonators. Maybe they casting Robert Davi as a homage since he was a Federal agent in the flick?

And on a plus note for some, we finally got an answer to the boxers or briefs question from Major Sheppard. :D

Major Tyler
September 17th, 2004, 10:13 PM
It was a really good episode, but I have one question...isn't Ford the second-in-command?

In the puddlejumper, when they were arguing about whether on not to leave, Aiden got completely bowled over by both Teyla and Dr. Beckett. Sure they should speak their minds, but they just basically told Ford to shut up. I would have thought they'd treat a 2IC with a little more respect.

alaskannut
September 17th, 2004, 10:14 PM
Yeah maybe her and Teyla will fight hand to hand or with poles.
Or in a wading pool full of jello....... :D

kadosho
September 17th, 2004, 11:26 PM
This was a well developed ep. *and some fun bits
Formidable foe at the worst time.
Really on edge till Jan.. dang.
"The Eye" interesting title..

watcher652
September 17th, 2004, 11:44 PM
As the episode was ending, when they did the pull shot from Sheppard back into the storm, the skies opened and the rain came pouring down where I live. Spooky.

The sweeping scenes of the puddle jumper flying over the ocean and then surveying the storm were great. I also liked the pull back shot of Sheppard at the end. Also that grounding station lightning rod thingy was pretty cool when it separated.

I loved the McKay/Zelenka back and forth. Someone even more distractable than McKay! It was great when Weir told Zelenka to focus, she usually has that line for McKay. And McKay and Zelenka seemed like two kids going to play when they went off to check the power generators.

Somebody wondered why Zelenka wasn't there helping McKay in Atlantis. If he's as smart as he appears, he could be McKay's backup. Can't have both of them in the same place.

This is two episodes in a row that McKay had a eureka moment. Which he might not have had if he wasn't talking to Zelenka.

Getting that guy drunk? Does every Athosian have an IDC to steal?

Somebody was wondering why Sora wasn't more angry at the Atlantis expedition. I think she has her quarrel with Teyla. It's personal. Teyla was someone both Sora and her father knew.

Poor Teyla, Ford and Beckett. Relagated to backstory exposition. I hope they get better stuff to do in the second part.

The transporter is called the transporter. I'm glad they kept McKay's name for it.

This episode gave Weir a chance to show her stuff. She doesn't get enough time to use her diplomatic skills being stuck in Atlantis. She's always sending Sheppard, which doesn't always seem like the prudent thing. I wonder why the expedition doesn't have someone other than Weir trained as a diplomat? Sure, they need all the scientists, but somebody has to keep them safe.

How did Kolya know that you need two people for the self destruct to work? Is that just a standard thing to do? Oh, wait, he must have gotten that out of McKay. I noticed they cut the arm that had leaned on the comm switch (which was quick thinking, Rodney).

The no nonsense, tough Sheppard was such a contrast to the usually easy going person we see. Flanigan must have shouted himself hoarse after doing those scenes in the blowing wind. Or during the looping. Why didn't he go back inside to talk to Kolya over the radio? Because then we wouldn't have had that great pull back shot.

I was shocked that the 2 soldiers were killed. That was totally unexpected. As well as cutting McKay. From the preview, I thought he got winged by a bullet.

Kolya and Cowen were icy cold. I hate their guts. As well as Mr. "I have something to trade" guy.

I don't get the Genii. Why do they think making enemies with someone with superior technology is a good thing? McKay knew the basic concepts of their atomic bomb when he was in the 6th grade, for heavens sake. I was waiting for Kolya to tell McKay that he was going to have to go back with the Genii so they could use his brains.

And, of course we wouldn't have an episode, but why couldn't we go back to those people from Childhood's End? They were the friendly ones. The SGA expedition and the Athosians were only going to stay "one night, two tops. And we'll bring the blankets."

Hyperspace
September 18th, 2004, 01:00 AM
^^^
Good point on diplomats...that to me was a weaker scene of the ep---when Sheppard "negotiated," he was clearly making a BAD deal...although it might not have made a difference in this situation (are any of the Atlantis ppl able to see treachery when it is so plainly written on the face of their so-called ally?), still, why not have trained diplomats handle Atlantis' affairs? Is Dr. Weir the only one? I suppose their soldiers-as-ambassadors tact was borrowed from SG-1, but out here, Atlantis is essentially its own planet-nation...one that is more vulnerable than any other and in need of carefully negotiated treaties...using Sheppard/O'Neill clone touch again?

That quibble aside, I liked the ep. Amazing timing considering Ivan just days earlier. Poor people in the South that got hit...storm surges and everything!

One other question--if ZPM's generate massive power to keep the shield going, would lightning strikes be enough? And wouldn't it be strange to have a lightning strike, then the shield goes up, runs out of power, then another strike can land...?

watcher652
September 18th, 2004, 01:30 AM
One other question--if ZPM's generate massive power to keep the shield going, would lightning strikes be enough? And wouldn't it be strange to have a lightning strike, then the shield goes up, runs out of power, then another strike can land...?
I'm going to have to go back and listen to the technobabble again. I'm sure it makes some sense. We're talking real physics here, not "we can make anything up about the Wraiths".

Boy, doesn't David Hewlett have some mouthfuls to have to spit out? If you time it, he must have twice as many words to say than Sheppard would in the same length of time. I wonder if he's had to go back to the writers and ask them to change a line, or maybe just a word, because it just doesn't "flow" and he can't get the line out? You have to have a rhythm to the stuff.

HIj'Qa
September 18th, 2004, 01:43 AM
:( I guess I'm gonna have to go watch the ep again.
I thought it was predictable and slow and not much of a cliffhanger, unless there are major cast changes coming up.
I'll go watch it again. :)

berenikee
September 18th, 2004, 03:22 AM
Great episode, like it a lot. :)
I think that they will kill Zelenka if he stayed in Atlantis...
I want THE EYE now!!!! :) Please? :)

EYU86
September 18th, 2004, 04:53 AM
The best was when Sheppard found out he had to decouple two grounding stations...

...which were nowhere near the command center

...or transporters

I forgot the conversation there, but it was funny.
Something about walking swiftly and running.

Also the conversation after Sheppard arrived at his first station, when everyone else was done and had met up already.

AlphaBlu
September 18th, 2004, 05:02 AM
Well that was awesome. The fact that we have to wait until next year to see the next part annoys me greatly. Aside from McKay and all the comedy lines (the Superman and Lightning parts were great), the best line in the whole episode was from the Genii commander:

"I don't like even."

I liked everything about this episode and I cannot find fault with it except that maybe Sora was a little too sympathetic towards Sheppard. Maybe that's a sub-plot that will be further explored in the next part. In either case, that little red head is SO cute.

I can't wait for the next ep... although I'll have to! ;)

BYE

Mio
September 18th, 2004, 05:20 AM
I liked everything about this episode and I cannot find fault with it except that maybe Sora was a little too sympathetic towards Sheppard. Maybe that's a sub-plot that will be further explored in the next part. In either case, that little red head is SO cute.
I think she is a fair person, except when it comes to Teyla...Oh that'll be fun....

AlphaBlu
September 18th, 2004, 05:54 AM
I think she is a fair person, except when it comes to Teyla...Oh that'll be fun....
Maybe there will be an alternate version of their upcoming fight on the DVD for The Eye, where it's just them fighting on one of Atlantis' many balconeys. In the rain. In just T-shirts.

;)

BYE

Mr. Seven
September 18th, 2004, 06:29 AM
And, of course we wouldn't have an episode, but why couldn't we go back to those people from Childhood's End? They were the friendly ones. The SGA expedition and the Athosians were only going to stay "one night, two tops. And we'll bring the blankets."

Yeah they could have gone back there just as easy huh. The actual camp was within the shielded area right? So they wouldn't be in danger? Maybe if they brought all the people from Earth and the Andosians (Teyla's people?) to that planet the shield would fail or something..

Mio
September 18th, 2004, 06:30 AM
Maybe there will be an alternate version of their upcoming fight on the DVD for The Eye, where it's just them fighting on one of Atlantis' many balconeys. In the rain. In just T-shirts.

;)

BYE
Oooh......

derrickh
September 18th, 2004, 06:40 AM
I'm digging the Genii. And if you step back to look at it, they are closer to being the good guys than SGA. In their interaction with the Genii, the SGA has proven themselves to be Bullies(Sheppard practically threatened the monk guy into letting them sleep over), Thieves(SGA stole the Genii's wraith decoder ring), and Cowards(Teyla running away and leaving her partner to die).

Line of the night was when they were sitting in the Jumper going throughthe list of why the Genii don't like them and the yung guy says 'And they're pissed that Teyla killed one of their top guys'. Nice jab.

D

watcher652
September 18th, 2004, 09:09 AM
Well that was awesome. The fact that we have to wait until next year to see the next part annoys me greatly. Aside from McKay and all the comedy lines (the Superman and Lightning parts were great), the best line in the whole episode was from the Genii commander:

"I don't like even."
So cold. I hate his guts. Oh, and he killed our two guys in the Gate Room. I really hate him. And he ordered that McKay be tortured. I really, really hate him.

Did I mention I hate his guts?

Dahak
September 18th, 2004, 10:07 AM
This was a great episode. Waiting for 3 months will be annoying though.

Bobthespirit
September 18th, 2004, 11:47 AM
Once again Atlantis is faced with competence issues.

This is supposed to be the best and the brightest, but right now they're all seeming like a bunch of morons. No way it should have been that easy for the genai to take siege. And then the rest of the team is staying there during the storm because they might risk a kid or two getting hurt? Compared with the prospect of permanently losing their central base of operations, when their CO is captured by the enemy?

These people really need to learn to prioritize.

Oh, and now Shephard the quintessential 'kid on vacation' in the Delta Qua...I mean, the Pegasus Galaxy wants to give these militants some ships in order to save one life.

I seriously cannot believe that Atlantis is being written by the same writing staff as SG1. SG1 has never had trouble prioritizing like Atlantis does, and every time the base has been taking over, the enemy at least had to work a whole lot harder to do it (What with duplicates and mind control and such, not just marching in with a team of seven or eight with a few guns). This incompetence is getting frustrating.

Drewbert
September 18th, 2004, 11:50 AM
oh yeah, about those two guys he killed, what good is all that body armor if it does nothing?

chiefchucky
September 18th, 2004, 12:50 PM
oh yeah, about those two guys he killed, what good is all that body armor if it does nothing?
The bullets the Genii have in their weapons might be armour piercing bullets

Major Fischer
September 18th, 2004, 12:53 PM
The bullets the Genii have in their weapons might be armour piercing bullets

Or they could have been a higher caliber than the armor was rated for.

chiefchucky
September 18th, 2004, 12:55 PM
Or they could have been a higher caliber than the armor was rated for.
that too

ShadowMaat
September 18th, 2004, 01:01 PM
If Atlantis were exactly like SG-1 then it wouldn't be Atlantis, would it? I, for one, kinda like seeing the Atlantis team screw up, it proves they're human- something that occasionally gets forgotten with SG-1. The A-team DOES make mistakes, they AREN'T perfect, they can't walk on water like SG-1 can and they don't always resolve their issues in the best of ways.

Bob, I can see that you're pretty angry about this, it's the second or third post with pretty much the same complaint that I've seen. But I'd like to point out that if you keep comparing Atlantis to SG-1 and if you keep expecting it to be the same, then yes, you ARE going to be frustrated and disappointed. Atlantis isn't SG-1. Instead of hating the differences, why don't you learn to accept them and see the opportunities those differences permit in terms of storylines and character development?

I can think of instances where SG-1 has dropped the ball, too, but this is an Atlantis discussion thread and I'm in here to discuss Atlantis. :)

alaskannut
September 18th, 2004, 01:10 PM
Oooh......
yum?????

BringerOfLight
September 18th, 2004, 02:42 PM
If the Genii touch Weir they're going to learn a little pearl of wisdon that is pretty prevelant on Earth: Don't piss off the Americans, for they will hunt you down and make the rest of your life a very bad one. Seriously, Sheppard looked close to going ballistic at the end, not that I blame him.

ShadowMaat
September 18th, 2004, 02:46 PM
If the Genii touch Weir they're going to learn a little pearl of wisdon that is pretty prevelant on Earth: Don't piss off the Americans, for they will hunt you down and make the rest of your life a very bad one.
Oh, puh-lease! Can we possibly NOT make this about "Superior Americans" vs. the rest of the universe?

I'm pulling for Rodney- the CANADIAN- doing something ridiculous to try and save Weir. :P

Major Fischer
September 18th, 2004, 02:49 PM
I'm pulling for Rodney- the CANADIAN- doing something ridiculous to try and save Weir. :P

I'm pulling for Weir to do something ridiculous to save herself ;) :p

Mio
September 18th, 2004, 02:50 PM
Oh, puh-lease! Can we possibly NOT make this about "Superior Americans" vs. the rest of the universe?

I'm pulling for Rodney- the CANADIAN- doing something ridiculous to try and save Weir. :P

But everything is about our superiority....I uh mean.....

Nah. Rodney'll probably do something stupid like say, 'Well, you can't do anything without my command code, nah nah!'

chiefchucky
September 18th, 2004, 02:53 PM
Oh, puh-lease! Can we possibly NOT make this about "Superior Americans" vs. the rest of the universe?

I'm pulling for Rodney- the CANADIAN- doing something ridiculous to try and save Weir. :P
At the end I thought McKay looked like he was contemplating diving infront of the bullet but then I realised that if he divulged so much information from just a little cut that he wouldn't do somethin like that.

ShadowMaat
September 18th, 2004, 02:59 PM
At the end I thought McKay looked like he was contemplating diving infront of the bullet but then I realised that if he divulged so much information from just a little cut that he wouldn't do somethin like that.
Actually, I was thinking he might do the same thing. And I don't think it's unlikely. Rodney divulged info because he was trying to save himself. But if ANOTHER person's life is in danger, that's where Rodney truly shines. :) He'll go to great lengths to try and save one of his teammates, even if it means MORE pain for himself.

BringerOfLight
September 18th, 2004, 03:05 PM
I'm sorry you feel that you/your country is inferior to Americans/America. America's habit of slapping around people who've screwed with American citizens has gone back to the War of 1812 and the Barbary Pirates incident, which if you'll note was long before its status as a super-power. But you're absolutely right, this shouldn't be about any real or percieved American superiority, so please stop.

Chiefchucky: I don't know, McKay's had a couple of times where his (small) brave side has come out. He might surprise us yet.

chiefchucky
September 18th, 2004, 03:12 PM
Not to change the subject but how do you think they will get the last grounding station to disconnect?

Mr. Seven
September 18th, 2004, 03:16 PM
Maybe Shepard will manually knock it off or shoot at it?

Oh and...not to change the subject...and no disrespect to Joe Flanagen...

but don't you think Shepard rank a bit like a girl after he disconnected the second ground station?

Not like an all out girl, but the thing he did with his left hand was kind of weird. He's never done it before..

Major Fischer
September 18th, 2004, 03:17 PM
Not to change the subject but how do you think they will get the last grounding station to disconnect?

Subject change sounds good to me. ;)

Bringer, it's never safe to assume anything about anyone on these boards. Neither age, nor nationality, profession or political leanings. It's not cool.

ShadowMaat
September 18th, 2004, 03:22 PM
As a matter of fact, I'm American, myself. But the sheer arrogance and condescension exhibited by some of my fellow countrymen is so mortifying and obnoxious that it makes me kinda twitchy when I see it.

Can we leave the political grandstanding and flag waving OUT of this thread? This is about ATLANTIS, not "My country is the greatest!"

BACK ON THE SUBJECT...

I have a question: what keeps Atlantis rooted in place? What prevents it from floating around the oceans of Atlantea (or whatever you want to call the planet)? I sure hope it wasn't those lightning rod things... ;)

Major Fischer
September 18th, 2004, 03:27 PM
I have a question: what keeps Atlantis rooted in place? What prevents it from floating around the oceans of Atlantea (or whatever you want to call the planet)? I sure hope it wasn't those lightning rod things... ;)

My guess is either:

A) A small thruster system, or B) an anchoring system. Either could be of the fancy nifty Ancient tech version. But if it's the lightening rods they're in trouble :D

TechnoBoY
September 18th, 2004, 03:34 PM
I'm pulling for Weir to do something ridiculous to save herself ;) :p

I forsee some karate chopping in January.

AlphaBlu
September 18th, 2004, 04:08 PM
This is supposed to be the best and the brightest, but right now they're all seeming like a bunch of morons. No way it should have been that easy for the genai to take siege.
What are you talking about? If anything they showed that it takes an extreme set of circumstances to take Atlantis (capture a GDO, have a guy talk about being under fire, have a large storm so no one is at Atlantis, and have everyone in disguse).

That's an extremely specific set of circumstances. Besides, how hard would it be for a crack military team to take out 3 soldiers, a diplomat and a scientist, especially when two of the soldiers think you're refugees and walk right into point blank range of your commander?

BYE

Tealc_of_Chulak
September 18th, 2004, 04:39 PM
Just finished watching, best episode yet in my opinion...starting to warm up to atlantis, could hardly fault it.....i wasnt looking forward to waiting a week to see it, so im even more peeved that theyre making us wait 3 months :( typical of them though :rolleyes:

jbrd79
September 18th, 2004, 04:52 PM
i loved the episode but the first thing that came to my mind when i heard the storm was comin at atlantis was move it (atlantis) get the tow chains out and pull it with the puddle jumpers

thats one of the first things i woulda thought of

any one else agree?

ShadowMaat
September 18th, 2004, 05:00 PM
i loved the episode but the first thing that came to my mind when i heard the storm was comin at atlantis was move it (atlantis) get the tow chains out and pull it with the puddle jumpers

thats one of the first things i woulda thought of

any one else agree?
It depends on how the city is anchored. Also, I'm pretty sure you'd need more than just two jumpers to move it. And exactly where would you move it to? And even if you had TEN jumpers operating at full capacity... how fast would they be moving? Fast enough to keep ahead of the storm?

jbrd79
September 18th, 2004, 05:08 PM
i thought thay had 5 jumpers

but thay could of at least discouraged the idea like thay did for cutting power from the un necisary sections and only putting sheilds on the vital parts

IMO trying to tow it is the quick easy solution

Major Fischer
September 18th, 2004, 05:09 PM
IMO trying to tow it is the quick easy solution

Simple physics. Atlantis is MUCH bigger than the jumpers, it is highly unlikely that they could tow the city at any reasonable speed to out distance the storm.

DownFallAngel
September 18th, 2004, 05:11 PM
There is no place for it to go anyway. Atlantis' planet is a freaking ocean, with one massive continent. So it would have no place to go.

DarkQuee1
September 18th, 2004, 05:30 PM
Bob, I can see that you're pretty angry about this, it's the second or third post with pretty much the same complaint that I've seen. But I'd like to point out that if you keep comparing Atlantis to SG-1 and if you keep expecting it to be the same, then yes, you ARE going to be frustrated and disappointed. Atlantis isn't SG-1. Instead of hating the differences, why don't you learn to accept them and see the opportunities those differences permit in terms of storylines and character development?


I think this is a bit condescending on your part. It seemed to me his problem wasn't that Atlantis isn't SG-1, it's that he finds the characters to be repeatedly incompetent and maybe even stupid. The fact that he doesn't find the characters in SG-1 to be that way doesn't invalidate his problem with the characters in Atlantis, who are, as he pointed out, supposed to be a lot smarter, better and more skilled than he's seeing. Accept the differences? If you mean different personalities, sure. If you mean that he's supposed to accept what he feels is incompetence and stupidity because it's "different" from SG-1, well, that doesn't fly for me. Besides, I'm not sure that "incompetence" lends itself to "character development". Not in characters who are already supposed to be experienced and skilled.

I tend to find Atlantis sloppily written with things not thought all the way through; this has nothing to do with how I feel about SG-1. I wish I didn't; I wanted to enjoy the show more than I am. I'm not ready to give up on it yet; I'm going to keep watching at least to the end of season 1.

However, viewers are as entitled to criticize what they don't like as they are to praise what they do.


J.

ShadowMaat
September 18th, 2004, 05:45 PM
I guess I read his post more as, "SG-1 is great! SG-1 is perfect! SG-1 would never make mistakes like this! How come Atlantis isn't as perfect as SG-1?"

If it's an honest complaint about shoddy characterization and not a complaint that Atlantis folk aren't as god-like and incapable of wrongdoing as SG-1 folk, then I'll apologize.

However, I also don't see why there's a need to post pretty much the same thing at least twice within a day. There was a great post already started about this. There was already a discussion going. So why drag it into here, too? Or, alternately, why start the original post in the first place? Why not keep it ALL in here?

Everyone interprets things differently. I saw Bob's post one way and responded to it in that vein. You read it another way and replied likewise.

aaobuttons
September 18th, 2004, 07:29 PM
I thought this episode was the best of the series so far. It definetly lived up to the mid-season cliff hanger expectation I had for it. When it was over I was thinking "wow, and i have to wait till january to find out what happens!" And I never do that, I usually am very patient about waiting till the next episodes.

What I liked about it the most was that Sheppard, Weir, and McKay actually had alot of REAL emotions they had to experience, not the 1 dementional emotions their characters usually embrace. It was really nice to see and gives me hope for fleshing out of the characters in the future.

kris
September 18th, 2004, 07:56 PM
What an exciting episode. Right off the bat I was pleased they established that Kolya (sp?) is a bad guy who is not only tough on the enemy, but on his own people. He is and isn't predictable. It depends on what suits him at the moment as far as getting his job done.

Sheppard: what can I say? All cute. All soldier. All guy. But uneasy when he found out Beckett and Ford would not be on their way back. He's great when he's angry. Love the "catwalk" he was sneaking along on.

Beckett: Should've gone back to help evacuate and pack up medical supplies ASAP, but he didn't. Teyla managed a trip back but he wasn't needed?

Teyla: wow, I wish I had her buff arms and I wish she was my friend because she is so sensible and so calm.

Mckay: this is the Rodney I like to see. Funny and indignant. You know he's going to get back at that Kolya in the conclusion, I hope. Did the wound migrate down his arm a bit? Has Hewlett lost weight? He looks leaner in this episode.

The knife: as it was pulled out, sounded like Duncan MacCloud's sword in Highlander.

Weir: hum...a little robot-like. Then again, that's reasonable. A leader needs to remain composed and in control of herself even if she can't control what's happening around her.

That storm is going to throw a huge wrench in the works. Too bad it'll take 3 months to get there. Break out the umbrellas, the bandages, and the C-4.

greytop
September 18th, 2004, 08:57 PM
About Rodney and Weir doing something to get out of the situation, did anyone think that those on the mainland will return at the right moment?

Mr. Seven
September 18th, 2004, 09:25 PM
Well they can't kill Weir. She's an very essential part of the show, same with McCay. I am betting that there is a sleeper still in Atlantis besides Shepard...

I just hope that someone smacks the hell out of that pretty boy who cut McCay. That guy deserves to have Shepard beat him unconscience with Steve's corpse.

AlphaBlu
September 18th, 2004, 11:56 PM
I tend to find Atlantis sloppily written with things not thought all the way throughHow would you rate "The Storm?"

Outstanding - 761/65%
Good - 306/26%
Fair - 66/6%
Poor - 15/1%
Terrible - 23/2%


What were you saying again? ;)


BYE

AlphaBlu
September 19th, 2004, 12:02 AM
That guy deserves to have Shepard beat him unconscience with Steve's corpse.
So you're into that kinda thing huh? http://kier.3dfrontier.com/smilies/naughty.gif





Sorry! Couldn't resist. ;)

BYE

watcher652
September 19th, 2004, 01:33 AM
Not to change the subject but how do you think they will get the last grounding station to disconnect?
I'm guessing that since Kolya's guy shot out the dial that separated the grounding station rods that McKay is going to have to some kind of manual intervention. Didn't McKay start to say he didn't know if he could even do something about it before that guard grabbed at his arm and he yelled "Get off of me!"

Did I mention that I hate Kolya's guts? He ought to get swept away by the storm. Blown right off the grounding station balcony. Or maybe a nice, sizzling lightning strike. Yeah, that would be perfect.

watcher652
September 19th, 2004, 01:54 AM
Beckett: Should've gone back to help evacuate and pack up medical supplies ASAP, but he didn't. Teyla managed a trip back but he wasn't needed?
Wasn't Beckett needed to fly the Puddle Jumper and help with the evacuation of the mainland?

How many people have the Ancient gene AND can fly the Puddle Jumpers? In "Underground" there must be at least 2 others because Sheppard flew Puddle Jumper One and he had 2 other Jumpers behind him. I can't believe Beckett was flying one of them, but who knows?

That one young guy flying the ship in "Thirty Eight Minutes" must have the gene, right? Maybe he was one of those flying in "Underground".

So the only people we know for sure that can fly Puddle Jumpers are Sheppard, McKay, Beckett, and that one guy.

acasmi
September 19th, 2004, 04:20 AM
Fantastic episode...and along with everyone else, I hate cliffhangers! And no-one hurts my Rodney and gets away with it!

I did wonder why Koyla was so interested in knowing the wherabouts of Sheppard when they first came through, was it just because he suspected he was still on Atlantis or would there be another reason? Its probably just to see if Weir was lying, as he asked several times.

NurseRatched
September 19th, 2004, 04:56 AM
I did wonder why Koyla was so interested in knowing the wherabouts of Sheppard when they first came through

We've seen how Kolya operates. He probably wants to either a) take Sheppard back to the Genii homeworld and try to get every drop of intel from him by any means necessary or, more likely b) execute him. The people on the Atlantis base would be much less of a threat if their military leader were taken out of the equation. Remember, Kolya "doesn't like 'even'".

Mio
September 19th, 2004, 06:11 AM
We've seen how Kolya operates. He probably wants to either a) take Sheppard back to the Genii homeworld and try to get every drop of intel from him by any means necessary or, more likely b) execute him. The people on the Atlantis base would be much less of a threat if their military leader were taken out of the equation. Remember, Kolya "doesn't like 'even'".

Too bad they'll never find him. They're probably too technologically inferior to get Atlantis's sensors online.

FoolishPleasure
September 19th, 2004, 06:41 AM
It seems our writers are finally getting their act together characterwise and storywise. I found the Genii to be much more dangerous (and interesting) than the Wraith though! Hoping that Koyla doesn't get bumped off, as happened to our friend Steve, and is able to return to wreck havoc in the future. Good to see various story arcs starting to spin off. Thumbs up on this one. :)

Teal'c
September 19th, 2004, 06:56 AM
Brilliant, brilliant episode...

LOVED McKay and Zelenka. Loved all the little stuff and how all these people in Pegasus seem to go around to each other all the time, unlike SG-1. I mean, you've got the Manarans who are trading food with Atlantis, but they're allies of the Genii and then there's the Athosian who's trying to trade with the Manarans for land... just so good :D

The VisFX were spectacular once again. Joe's acting was superb IMO, especially when he was shouting desperately into the radio at the end... plus, nice to see the transporters again. Oh, and when they went to cut McKay again and he let out that whimpering cry... very good acting on David's part :D

Now, my theories on "The Eye" are that Sora will stop Kolya shooting Weir. They won't get the last grounding station down, so when the storm hits and the lightening starts going off maybe it will be a game of chance in the city. That some of the strikes will go to the grounding station but some others will go through the halls of Atlantis, making it dangerous for Shep and the Genii soilders.

Now, I've gone into withdrawl already! :(

greytop
September 19th, 2004, 07:57 AM
Dr. Beckett said, while they were in jumper 2, that the wind was moving at least 110 knots.

Could someone tell me how many mph=1 knot? I am of the old school in American. It is hard for me to convert to the metric system in my head.

Thanks.

Lugal
September 19th, 2004, 08:33 AM
Dr. Beckett said, while they were in jumper 2, that the wind was moving at least 110 knots.

Could someone tell me how many mph=1 knot? I am of the old school in American. It is hard for me to convert to the metric system in my head.

Thanks.

1 knot = 1.15 mph or 1 nautical mile per hour (not metric).

kris
September 19th, 2004, 09:30 AM
Wasn't Beckett needed to fly the Puddle Jumper and help with the evacuation of the mainland?

How many people have the Ancient gene AND can fly the Puddle Jumpers? In "Underground" there must be at least 2 others because Sheppard flew Puddle Jumper One and he had 2 other Jumpers behind him. I can't believe Beckett was flying one of them, but who knows?

That one young guy flying the ship in "Thirty Eight Minutes" must have the gene, right? Maybe he was one of those flying in "Underground".

So the only people we know for sure that can fly Puddle Jumpers are Sheppard, McKay, Beckett, and that one guy.

True on the Puddle Jumper, that Beckett is one of that special group that has the ATA gene. I guess he took it down to do the innoculations of the "wee babies". Wah. I'm gonna' cry for three months. We all know Weir's not going to die so we can speculate on who saves her until the spoilers start to trickle in.

chiefchucky
September 19th, 2004, 09:39 AM
So the only people we know for sure that can fly Puddle Jumpers are Sheppard, McKay, Beckett, and that one guy.

I think that one guy's name is Stackhouse.

Mr. Seven
September 19th, 2004, 09:48 AM
Too bad they'll never find him. They're probably too technologically inferior to get Atlantis's sensors online.

Well couldn't Shepard just kill them all then? I mean he has that "life force detector" so he just has to do what he did to the two guards in the grounding station room.

He'd be unstoppable.

Also..it was kind of weird for him to kill those two don't you think? We've never seen him kill a human before (besides Sumner), I wasn't expecting it.

greytop
September 19th, 2004, 09:56 AM
Well couldn't Shepard just kill them all then? I mean he has that "life force detector" so he just has to do what he did to the two guards in the grounding station room.
Then he would be no better than them. I believe he kill them in self-defense, it look like to me they were going to kill him. He might knock them out and tie them up, to take them out of the action.

Mr. Seven
September 19th, 2004, 10:00 AM
Yeah that's true. Well..how about he just kills Coyla and the guy that cut McCay and we can call it a day.

Oh and about the second Puddle Jumper, couldn't it just put up it's shields (if it has them...) and come back home? Sure it might get blown around a bit..but it wouldn't take damage.

watcher652
September 19th, 2004, 10:23 AM
Now, my theories on "The Eye" are that Sora will stop Kolya shooting Weir. They won't get the last grounding station down, so when the storm hits and the lightening starts going off maybe it will be a game of chance in the city. That some of the strikes will go to the grounding station but some others will go through the halls of Atlantis, making it dangerous for Shep and the Genii soilders.
I don't think that Sora is going to stop Kolya from shooting Weir. What authority does she have? I think it's going to be McKay.

Think about it. Of the 3 people the Kolya thinks is left on Atlantis, who is the most valuable to him? Not Weir, she's only a diplomat in his eyes. Not Sheppard, he's a warrior and an adversary. The only thing that Sheppard would be good for is to fly the Puddle Jumper. Sheppard doesn't know that Weir has spilled the beans about the Ancient gene. He was making the offer to have himself as the hostage.

I don't know if Kolya has put it together that only people with the Ancient gene can operate the Puddle Jumpers. Remember Kolya's initial goal was to take all the C-4, all the medicines and one Puddle Jumper. Who was going to fly it? Also, I don't know why they wanted just one, since the Genii know we have at least 3. The initial raid wasn't going to be so devastating to Atlantis. Obviously Kolya has taken matters into his own hands.

The most valuable hostage is McKay. Kolya may not know that McKay has the gene therapy Ancient gene, but he knows McKay is the head scientist. He's seen how easy he can get information out of McKay.

McKay must know he's the most valuable, too, if only because of his own opinion of his importance. Just kidding, in this instance, McKay actually is the most important person. He's the only one who can prevent Atlantis from being destroyed.

I think McKay will use that as a bargaining chip. Shoot Weir, and he won't do anything to save Atlantis. Take that, Kolya!

Now I'm just trying to figure out how to integrate Beckett, Teyla and Ford back into the story.

Oh, and remember Sora was in the room when Weir made her speech to Kolya. He may have dismissed Weir, but I think Sora could see that Weir had a point.

Er, did I mention that I hate Kolya's guts?

greytop
September 19th, 2004, 10:37 AM
Yeah that's true. Well..how about he just kills Coyla and the guy that cut McCay and we can call it a day.

Oh and about the second Puddle Jumper, couldn't it just put up it's shields (if it has them...) and come back home? Sure it might get blown around a bit..but it wouldn't take damage.
I don't the puddle jumper has shields or Sheppard would have used them by now.

buuzero
September 19th, 2004, 12:02 PM
First off, GREAT episode. Stargate: Atlantis has really come into its own, and I truly enjoy watching the show as much as SG1 (hell, sometimes even moreso these days :p).

Wow, Kolya is truly a great villain, I really hate him. It's true, the Genii seem more dangerous than the Wraith right now. For a people with technology less advanced than our own, they're a real pain in the a$$.

I'm guessing that the next episode is called "The Eye" because the group stuck on the mainland will use the eye of the storm somehow to get back to Atlantis. But with a storm of that size, wouldn't it take awhile for the eye to even reach them? Purely speculation here on my part.

So long to wait... I really hate when they do that. I guess it's better than not waiting to start the entire seasons till later though. Enterprise starts Oct. 8, last season was pretty good so maybe it will keep my interest until January.

Plus, I don't really mind rewatching some Atlantis episodes in the meantime.

zats
September 19th, 2004, 12:34 PM
So is this where I say that I hope the Atlantis crew sticks it to them in The Eye? *blinks innocently*

Nevermind. I abandon ALL hope for you. :p

zats
September 19th, 2004, 12:37 PM
Oooh......

Oh, for crying out loud...[cough]males[cough]

Major Fischer
September 19th, 2004, 12:39 PM
Nevermind. I abandon ALL hope for you. :p

You ever had hope for her?

ShadowMaat
September 19th, 2004, 12:41 PM
I betcha part two will be nice and tense and actiony and then in a blink The Eye will be over. :P

Muahaha...

zats
September 19th, 2004, 12:43 PM
You ever had hope for her?

It was late, I was tired...no, I suppose I didn't. Good point ;)

Major Fischer
September 19th, 2004, 12:43 PM
I betcha part two will be nice and tense and actiony and then in a blink The Eye will be over. :P

Muahaha...

Oh no, she's hemoraging puns.... *hides*

zats
September 19th, 2004, 12:44 PM
I betcha part two will be nice and tense and actiony and then in a blink The Eye will be over. :P

Muahaha...

NO HOPE AT ALL.

zats
September 19th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Oh no, she's hemoraging puns.... *hides*

Quick! Call 911!

Or else just run and hide. I like the run and hide part.

ShadowMaat
September 19th, 2004, 01:12 PM
Awww, I don't understand why you guys must lash out at me over The Eye. I think it's gonna be a great ep! :D And it's not like I'm being a wet blanket about The Storm, either. :P Some of you guys are just all bluff and bluster. :P

chiefchucky
September 19th, 2004, 01:42 PM
bluff and bluster?????? Hmmmmm

ShadowMaat
September 19th, 2004, 01:44 PM
bluff and bluster?????? Hmmmmm
Raining on someone else's parade? :D

Anyway, I really liked The Storm. It's good to see TPTB paying serious attention to the show and working hard to make it flow. I think they did a hail of a good job in this ep. ;)

Major Fischer
September 19th, 2004, 01:51 PM
I think they did a hail of a good job in this ep. ;)

Will it never end?! *melodramatic cry* :p

Liv
September 19th, 2004, 02:14 PM
This episode was so... What's the word? Cool. Awesome. Breathtaking. Okay, so technically that's three words, but I loved it so much. :D

I'll tell you why, but first let me just point out that my prediction (and really, was I expecting anything else?) of "I can't *believe* they ended it like that!" was fairly accurate. *sigh*

Anyway, The Storm. Where to start, where to start? *ponders*

Well, shocker of shockers, I actually liked Weir quite a lot. Especially when she said this: "Aah... Did he just say weather forecasting?" and this: "You wanna build a windmill?". She seemed... a lot more 'loosened up' in this one and I keep my fingers crossed that she continues on that path.

Zalenka and McKay. Brilliance at work, and I loved every second of it. That, and the banter, of course. Got to have the banter.

While trying to come up with some sort of plan:
Zalenka: "Well, we could relocate something, put them closer together."
McKay: "You're right, if only we had a magical tool that could slow down time! I foolishly left mine on earth, did you bring yours?!"
Zalenka: "You know, you're not pleasant when you're like this, McKay."
McKay: "I'm always like this."
Zalenka: "My point exactly."

The Genii people fighting with the sticks was a bit silly, I thought. It just seemed like a gratuitous way of showing us that Zora really *is* a skilled fighter. I don't know, it just seemed... off. But it's no big deal.

I liked the fact that McKay made Sheppard take care of two of the stations while he and Weir only took one each. And theirs was closer! :D

McKay: "It's a brisk walk away."
Sheppard: "And by 'brisk' you mean... far?"
McKay: "And by 'walk' I mean run."

Kolya was a very interesting character, I thought. (I liked the actor who portrayed him, he did a great job.) Ruthless guy. He really didn't have to kill the two guards, as Zora so rightfully pointed out. He didn't hesitate in hurting McKay, either. Poor McKay. I felt so bad for him.

Lots of speculation on who's gonna save Weir, or if she's gonna save herself, I take it. Personally, I'm in the camp that says McKay will point out something to Kolya that he didn't think off. Something about how Weir is needed in order for something or other to work. Then again, Kolya could just take Sheppard up on his offer on the Jumper. But that would be sort of a disappointing resolution. ;)
And how does Beckett, Ford and Teyla fit into all of this, again?

Curse you cliffhanger!

January. Are we there yet?

watcher652
September 19th, 2004, 03:50 PM
Kolya was a very interesting character, I thought. (I liked the actor who portrayed him, he did a great job.) Ruthless guy. He really didn't have to kill the two guards, as Zora so rightfully pointed out. He didn't hesitate in hurting McKay, either. Poor McKay. I felt so bad for him.
Did I mention that I hate his guts? :)



Lots of speculation on who's gonna save Weir, or if she's gonna save herself, I take it. Personally, I'm in the camp that says McKay will point out something to Kolya that he didn't think off. Something about how Weir is needed in order for something or other to work. Then again, Kolya could just take Sheppard up on his offer on the Jumper. But that would be sort of a disappointing resolution. ;)
You don't need Weir to work anything (sorry). And I don't think you can lie about it. You need McKay. Or Sheppard. Or "Kolya doesn't know he's on the mainland" Dr. Beckett.

Kolya knows he needs McKay, too. He glanced at McKay before he pointed his gun at Weir.



And how does Beckett, Ford and Teyla fit into all of this, again?
We have 3 months to figure that one out!

Liv
September 19th, 2004, 04:41 PM
Did I mention that I hate his guts? :)

Yes, I think I did see that, somewhere. ;)




Kolya knows he needs McKay, too. He glanced at McKay before he pointed his gun at Weir.

He did? Have to go check that out. Oh, the trouble of watching this episode again, it just kills me. *grins*




We have 3 months to figure that one out!
Three agonizing months!

Mio
September 19th, 2004, 04:46 PM
January. Are we there yet?

No.

NurseRatched
September 19th, 2004, 05:00 PM
No.

How about now? :)

AlphaBlu
September 19th, 2004, 05:10 PM
Hoping that Koyla doesn't get bumped off, as happened to our friend Steve, and is able to return to wreck havoc in the future.
Kolya is such a fantastic character and the actor playing him is doing a wonderful job, but his character is sort of set up to die. We can't kill Cowen as he's the "main" Genii badguy, so we have to have lesser "big bads" that we can fight.

I have a feeling he's going to meet a nasty end thanks to some lightning strike!

BYE

Major Fischer
September 19th, 2004, 05:11 PM
How about now? :)

Very cute kids, but this'll get old real fast. ;) :D

chiefchucky
September 19th, 2004, 06:21 PM
we can think of Cowen being the goul'd and Koyla being the first prime

watcher652
September 19th, 2004, 07:06 PM
Kolya is such a fantastic character and the actor playing him is doing a wonderful job, but his character is sort of set up to die. We can't kill Cowen as he's the "main" Genii badguy, so we have to have lesser "big bads" that we can fight.

I have a feeling he's going to meet a nasty end thanks to some lightning strike!
I said it first! (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=131850&postcount=99) (sorry, I just figured out how to do this)

And did I say... well, you know. :)

greytop
September 19th, 2004, 08:25 PM
On another thread they were giving some humorous suggestions where Sheppard had hid the C4.

I think Sheppard has the C4 with him.

The reason for this is when he was in the jumper, after the Genii had taken Weir and McKay prisoners, he was getting weapons that were stored on the jumper. When he heard McKay over the intercom, that they want the C4. That time he had no backpack. By the time he reached the last station, he had a backpack.

So, what's in his backpack?

Grumpyguy
September 19th, 2004, 08:30 PM
Supposition on how Weir is saved: (spoilerish space : )





Sheppard has the Ancient gene. This is the first time that we have seen him mad. In fact, from this episode, we have gone beyond the nice guy who doesn't follow orders, to seeing that he is in fact a very skilled warrior.

Maybe, with his adrenaline (spelling?) rushing, his temper reaching the boiling point, his thoughts very focused, he is able to connect via ESP to the powers of the city. And while thinking, I wish I could just beam Weir out, a transporter kicks in and puts her right next to him.

Be kind of neat, anyway : )

lord-anubis
September 19th, 2004, 08:56 PM
This episode was awesome its one of my favs now

2BAM
September 19th, 2004, 11:34 PM
I thought that the Genii stick training sequence did two things. Yes, it did show us that Sora can fight................she is pretty small to fight Kolya, but its TV. The other is that the training showed us how brutal and ruthless that Kolya is, even to his own people. Great actor!! I liked it!!

2BAM
September 20th, 2004, 12:03 AM
I loved this episode!! Wonderfully directed, beautifully shot, great acting, great action, and the entire pace of the episode did not make it easy to look away from the TV set. I can't wait to see part two....................when does the DVD set come out? :eek:

Indiana
September 20th, 2004, 02:34 AM
"Yikipayee muther f**er!" I thought that Sheppard was gonna be doing a John McLane on Atlantis, and having Robert Davi in the episode as a villain was great! I love that guy. For those who don't know Robert Davi was an FBI agent in Die hard, which makes me think he would have been a better NID agent.

One thing I didn't like was the ending. Basically it could have been better.

Weir has a gun to her? So why didn't they just shoot her? Imagine the suspense! She's shot, but not shot dead. Think, Sean Connery shot in Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade. So the episode ends she's shot and the only person who can save her is on the main land. Beckett is gonna have to build up the courage and fly the Puddlejumper back to Atlantis to save Weir, whilst Rodney has to do the best to keep Elizabeth alive, whilst Sheppard has to do his best to retake Atlantis and then set up the shield.

nugglebugget
September 20th, 2004, 04:34 AM
I know they couldn't have planned this but seeing a fictional hurricane after all the real ones the last few weeks was odd. On that note however, did anyone else think "trailer park" when the Puddlejumper occupants decided to wait out the storm.

I love Rodney more than ever but that boy needs to work on his poker face.
Ditto to everything you said!
It's odd how sometimes a show will be set to air and something in RL that is freakishly similar happens around the same time.

kryon22
September 20th, 2004, 05:10 AM
I guess I read his post more as, "SG-1 is great! SG-1 is perfect! SG-1 would never make mistakes like this! How come Atlantis isn't as perfect as SG-1?"

If it's an honest complaint about shoddy characterization and not a complaint that Atlantis folk aren't as god-like and incapable of wrongdoing as SG-1 folk, then I'll apologize.


Ok, I'd just like to posit a few ideas here. Remember that in SG-1, the SGC has the resources and disposal of the US military resources and alliances that the USAF have made over the course of military history. Not to mention a "teeny weeny" fact that they have the resources of an industrialized and to a certain point, globalized WORLD to bring to bear to solve resources. Pentagon think tanks, pubished journal resource search engines for scientific reference, easily mobilized population replacements for fallen SGC comrades? They'd be in so much better a position to deal with some of these threats than a small 100 member (down 3-4 by now) expedition. AND, Earth has also made alliances with alien member races in the Milky Way that are significantly advanced in terms of technology etc etc....namely, the Asgard, the former Tollan, the Tok'ra. And even member populations that are behind Earth in their technological advancement have not been ignored, because they represent one more potential source of partners to trade materials and have economic relations with to the gain of both parties. The Atlantis expedition have NO claim to such advantages, being stuck alone in the Pegasus Galaxy.

Many of the worlds in the Pegasus Galaxy live under the oppression and constant population control of the Wraith. We haven't been introduced to any significant race that has managed to evolve to hold its own against them precisely because the Wraith do what the Goa'uld do in our galaxy. But the essential difference between the two are simply that the Goa'uld are a feudal society...whereas the Wraith function more as hive members. Internal warring within a species tends to often distract them from rapidly accomplishing their goals as opposed to a single unified purpose. Take the Minbarri from Babylon 5 as an example. When the three castes are divided, the race as a whole detaches from events in the universe. But the single galvanizing action of the killing of their leader Dukhat nearly led to the extinction of the human race. So for all intents and purposes, the idea of trying to gain allies with any significant technological advantage, remains slim, hence their desperate need to research, decipher and understand all the knowledge that the ancients might have left behind in Atlantis. That means a greater responsibility to be the ones to get the job done, on behalf of all the oppressed humans in the Pegasus Galaxy, AND together with them. Take the most basic necessity for instance, crops, food and such supplies. Without them, they wouldn't live long enough to begin to start what they need to do. And for that, they need allies. And time and again, the whole idea of staying behind in the Pegasus Galaxy, is not only to just gain access and understanding of how Ancient technology works, but also to help these humans out by banding together against a common oppressor.

As for the assumption of American supremacy on Earth. A mighty, industrialized nation, does NOT a great nation make. How many philosophers, poets, SPIRITUAL LEADERS and even common men have said, time and time again, that the true mark of any great civilization is in the way they treat their neighbours. And how many times has it been proven that all it takes is a desperate man, backed into a corner to wreak the most damage. We have all the tools at our disposal to bring a mighty nation to its knees. May not be easy, may not be clean, but it can be done. Even SG-1 has presented so many situations where mighty technologically advanced civilizations and races have fallen, all in the name of arrogance and pride. In a lot of these situations, the SG teams being the more inferior (less technologically advanced for the politically correctly minded) race, have been directly or indirectly responsible for the downfall of some of these enemy races.

Isn't the whole point of sci fi and what we've watched so far supposed to be a reflection, a mirror at which we can examine our own progress and advancement, both technologically and culturally? For reasons of logistics, the expedition members were limited by the number of people they could send, hence the best and brightest. But even the best and brightest have their moments of weakness, hence needing to help each other out and being humble enough to accept that graciously. Not to sound all pollyanna, but we are stronger together than we are divided. A message that has echoed through just about every sci fi series that I've watched. Sure it takes a few dynamic people (hence the stars of the show) to catalyze the process, but it's everyone working together that get the job done.

So, just as a reminder. Pride, hubris and arrogance always comes before a fall. Walking forward with your eyes, mind and heart open, lets you get through the rocky pitfalls. I appreciate and admire the strength of the Americans greatly. But I think of my fellow countrymen (I'm from Singapore) and what we have achieved, no less. And I think the courage and strength of will of the poorest mother fighting for the survival of her children, working how many odd jobs a day just to put some food on the table in many third world nations is to be honoured equally. We ALL possess something different with which to bring to the table. No one less important than the other and we are so much richer for the common experience.

HIj'Qa
September 20th, 2004, 07:31 AM
Wasn't Beckett needed to fly the Puddle Jumper and help with the evacuation of the mainland?

How many people have the Ancient gene AND can fly the Puddle Jumpers? In "Underground" there must be at least 2 others because Sheppard flew Puddle Jumper One and he had 2 other Jumpers behind him. I can't believe Beckett was flying one of them, but who knows?

That one young guy flying the ship in "Thirty Eight Minutes" must have the gene, right? Maybe he was one of those flying in "Underground".

So the only people we know for sure that can fly Puddle Jumpers are Sheppard, McKay, Beckett, and that one guy.

I don't think the Ancient gene is really necessary for flying pjs. On the kiddie planet Ford and McKay travelled back and forth alone.

Indiana
September 20th, 2004, 07:59 AM
McKay now has the gene, so thats why he was flying. Ford does not have the gene. I do not know why though.

HIj'Qa
September 20th, 2004, 08:15 AM
Wasn't Beckett needed to fly the Puddle Jumper and help with the evacuation of the mainland?

How many people have the Ancient gene AND can fly the Puddle Jumpers? In "Underground" there must be at least 2 others because Sheppard flew Puddle Jumper One and he had 2 other Jumpers behind him. I can't believe Beckett was flying one of them, but who knows?

That one young guy flying the ship in "Thirty Eight Minutes" must have the gene, right? Maybe he was one of those flying in "Underground".

So the only people we know for sure that can fly Puddle Jumpers are Sheppard, McKay, Beckett, and that one guy.

McKay doesn't have the gene, does he?
I don't think the gene is that necessary. McKay and Ford travelled back and forth alone from the kiddie planet.

watcher652
September 20th, 2004, 08:24 AM
Wasn't Beckett needed to fly the Puddle Jumper and help with the evacuation of the mainland?

How many people have the Ancient gene AND can fly the Puddle Jumpers? In "Underground" there must be at least 2 others because Sheppard flew Puddle Jumper One and he had 2 other Jumpers behind him. I can't believe Beckett was flying one of them, but who knows?

That one young guy flying the ship in "Thirty Eight Minutes" must have the gene, right? Maybe he was one of those flying in "Underground".

So the only people we know for sure that can fly Puddle Jumpers are Sheppard, McKay, Beckett, and that one guy.
McKay doesn't have the gene, does he?
I don't think the gene is that necessary. McKay and Ford travelled back and forth alone from the kiddie planet.
McKay had gene therapy and can activate Ancient Technology. That was done at the beginning of the episode "Hide and Seek". That's why he could activate the green experimental personal shield.

McKay was the one who was piloting the ship in "Childhood's End". At that time Sheppard mentioned that McKay had only done it once before.

Major Fischer
September 20th, 2004, 08:24 AM
McKay doesn't have the gene, does he?

McKay had experimental gene theropy in Hide and Seek, but we really don't know if that was effective in the long term.

watcher652
September 20th, 2004, 08:31 AM
Ok, I'd just like to posit a few ideas here...
That was a very thoughtful post. Thanks for sharing it.

watcher652
September 20th, 2004, 08:38 AM
I loved this episode!! Wonderfully directed, beautifully shot, great acting, great action, and the entire pace of the episode did not make it easy to look away from the TV set.
You can look away when Atlantis is on? :)

Furling God
September 20th, 2004, 12:59 PM
I liked this episode. Some thoughts:

POSITIVE:

- Great landscapes and views of Atlantis with that storm

- Important role for Weir (my favourite charachter)

- Evacuating reminds us of the fragility ot the team in this unknown world (They MUST NOT behave like in SGC)

NEGATIVE:

- The martial arts scene with the staffs really sucked. I practice, I can tell you

- The Genii look too much like a twentieth century fascist state

But on the whole, there's action, I rank this episode at the level of 101 - 102.

Major Fischer
September 20th, 2004, 01:20 PM
- The Genii look too much like a twentieth century fascist state

Not to quibble, but they have a twentieth century tech level, and they are a society devoted to militarism. That's likely going to make them resemble a fascist state, but personally I thought they more closely resembled the ancient Spartan state.

Furling God
September 20th, 2004, 01:25 PM
It's their costumes. I travel all the way to another galaxy and I find people dressed up like in a twentieth century political fiction movie showing how the British would have looked like under a fascist-communist regime. Mmmmhh, the costumes... who choses the costumes in this series? :S

ShadowMaat
September 20th, 2004, 01:33 PM
How would you expect them to dress? They're technologically advanced (to a degree, at least) so they can hardly be running around in animal skins waving giant femurs. :P And if they dressed in slick, sparkly clothes they'd be accused of being goa'uld rip-offs. And if they dressed in plain gray uniformy things, they'd be the Tollans or Aschen. If you have better ideas, you should write/draw them up and send them in. Me, I'm not that visually oriented.

Incidentally, I really am curious about how a semi-advanced human culture should dress. Especially ones who have warlike/combative tendencies.

Indiana
September 20th, 2004, 01:40 PM
Their Uniforms take the same tone as the The Imperial Forces on Star Wars do. Remember the briefing room Scene in A New Hope when all the suits are sitting around a table listening to Vader and Peter Cushing discussing a situation? Most of the Techs, or people at stations were dressed very formally in Star Wars and they were technolgically advanced. Then in Farscape you have The Peacekeepers who dressed farely sensibly. They didn't scream SCI-FI PANTO even though they were technologically advanced.

greytop
September 20th, 2004, 02:14 PM
Well at least, the weapons looks diferent than our's do.

watcher652
September 20th, 2004, 02:33 PM
It's their costumes. I travel all the way to another galaxy and I find people dressed up like in a twentieth century political fiction movie showing how the British would have looked like under a fascist-communist regime. Mmmmhh, the costumes... who choses the costumes in this series? :S
I think their type of uniform was to imply that because we are all Human, we will end up thinking along the same lines. So since they were in a certain point in their social evolution, they would adopt the kind of clothing they did. As we have changed our "uniform" over the years.

Besides, a costume is supposed to enhance our understanding of the character. It wouldn't make dramatic sense if they were wearing togas or spandex.

One must accept these things. Like "I travel all the way to another galaxy and I find people speaking English"? We wouldn't get much of a story told if we had to wait for the universal translator to kick in after every sentence. :) The Athosian Teyla speaks English with less of an accent (to these American ears, anyway) than Earthers Beckett or Zelenka!

DarkQuee1
September 20th, 2004, 05:53 PM
How would you rate "The Storm?"

Outstanding - 761/65%
Good - 306/26%
Fair - 66/6%
Poor - 15/1%
Terrible - 23/2%


What were you saying again? ;)


BYE


What I was saying was, that *I* tend to find the show sloppily written and not thought through as carefully as I would like. I cannot speak for anyone else nor does your figures above in any way invalidate my opinion.

Remember the Maginot Line? It proved that 50 million Frenchman *can* be wrong.


J.

prion
September 21st, 2004, 07:32 AM
One person can fly the puddle jumper. Sheppard did it in the beginning of "The Storm". Teyla wasn't doing anything except being along for the ride. Of course, that might also be because of his Ancient gene. For the Ancient gene-challenged folk, it might require two people... ;)

watcher652
September 21st, 2004, 08:16 AM
One person can fly the puddle jumper. Sheppard did it in the beginning of "The Storm". Teyla wasn't doing anything except being along for the ride. Of course, that might also be because of his Ancient gene. For the Ancient gene-challenged folk, it might require two people... ;)
I thought only people with the Ancient gene can fly the Puddle Jumpers. Do you think people without the Ancient gene can fly the Jumpers? Is it that "once activated, anybody can use it" thing that Peter mentioned in "Hide and Seek"? So all you really need is Jumper training?

If that's the case, why hasn't Ford flown yet? You'd think he'd be itching to fly, if only to be one more person who could. In "The Storm", it looks like he had to defer to Dr. Beckett for the flying since the doctor was sitting in the pilot's seat. Or maybe Ford can fly but he would be better in the tactical seat and that's why he was sitting there?

And Beckett stayed with Ford and Teyla while they waited for the last three people to come back. If he wasn't needed, wouldn't he go back with the other group (except that would ruin the story)? Unless Beckett was thinking they might need medical assistance.

In "Childhood's End", it was McKay who flew the Jumper. If Ford could do it, don't you think he would get training first? He's Sheppard's second in command.

greytop
September 21st, 2004, 08:29 AM
I thought only people with the Ancient gene can fly the Puddle Jumpers. Do you think people without the Ancient gene can fly the Jumpers? Is it that "once activated, anybody can use it" thing that Peter mentioned in "Hide and Seek"? So all you really need is Jumper training?
I think it is a once actived, anybody could use it. In Thirty-Eight Minutes, I think there were two flying the jumper. But a person that has the gene can operate the jumper buy themselves, like Sheppard, with their thoughts.

watcher652
September 21st, 2004, 08:52 AM
I think it is a once actived, anybody could use it. In Thirty-Eight Minutes, I think there were two flying the jumper. But a person that has the gene can operate the jumper buy themselves, like Sheppard, with their thoughts.
Now, see, I didn't get that in "Thirty Eight Minutes." I thought only the person sitting in the pilot's seat (I think someone has said his name is Stackhouse) was flying the Jumper. The other guy was just sitting in the seat next to him. I don't remember him doing anything.

And I don't think Sheppard is flying the Jumper with his thoughts. He's still physically flying it. What comes up when he thinks about it is the tech stuff, like the maps and weapons.

Gee, I'm going to have to watch these episodes closer now with these questions in mind. Of course, then the show will throw a line in somewhere and totaly invalidate my theories. :)

greytop
September 21st, 2004, 09:16 AM
Now, see, I didn't get that in "Thirty Eight Minutes." I thought only the person sitting in the pilot's seat (I think someone has said his name is Stackhouse) was flying the Jumper. The other guy was just sitting in the seat next to him. I don't remember him doing anything.

And I don't think Sheppard is flying the Jumper with his thoughts. He's still physically flying it. What comes up when he thinks about it is the tech stuff, like the maps and weapons.
Physically, Sheppard is flying the plane as you say. But, when those flying the jumper that don't have the gene, they still need a navigator (or whoever sits in the second seat, in some of the Earth bound jets).

prion
September 21st, 2004, 12:14 PM
basically, I think any Joe Blow could fly the jumper. What it comes down to is that Sheppard is so far the only expert, due more in part to his years of flight experience than his Ancient genes, I'm sure. Stackhouse and Markham can fly it, and Ford does copilot duty, and he and McKay flew it back in Childhood's End, but.... no one was firing at them, the wind was nice and calm, no storms. Big difference from the hurricane in "Storm."

however, I do think Ford is probably the explosives expert. He seems to get such glee out of blowing things up....

Mio
September 21st, 2004, 01:03 PM
basically, I think any Joe Blow could fly the jumper. What it comes down to is that Sheppard is so far the only expert, due more in part to his years of flight experience than his Ancient genes, I'm sure. Stackhouse and Markham can fly it, and Ford does copilot duty, and he and McKay flew it back in Childhood's End, but.... no one was firing at them, the wind was nice and calm, no storms. Big difference from the hurricane in "Storm."

however, I do think Ford is probably the explosives expert. He seems to get such glee out of blowing things up....

Right. Anyone can fly it via the hand controls. However, the mental interface requires the gene.

watcher652
September 21st, 2004, 02:13 PM
Right. Anyone can fly it via the hand controls. However, the mental interface requires the gene.
OK, that all makes sense. Did they say that anywhere or is it because that's consistant with how all the Ancient things seem to work?

I guess you would still need training to operate a Jumper via the hand controls. The Atlantis expedition isn't that large. Everybody should get that training eventually.

Liv
September 21st, 2004, 02:50 PM
Right. Anyone can fly it via the hand controls. However, the mental interface requires the gene.


OK, that all makes sense. Did they say that anywhere or is it because that's consistant with how all the Ancient things seem to work?

I guess you would still need training to operate a Jumper via the hand controls. The Atlantis expedition isn't that large. Everybody should get that training eventually.
Yeah, I buy that, as well. Ford seemed like he was just about to fly them out of there (when Sheppard contacted the Jumper about the hostage situation) but then Beckett interrupted him.

Mr. Seven
September 21st, 2004, 08:18 PM
I wonder why Beckett hasn't given more people the Ancient Gene...Ford would be a good canidate since he's always in the action.

Is he really the second highest ranking Military officer now? I always that that the Security Chief - Seargent something was..

EDIT: I just took a look here: http://www.military-quotes.com/ranks/air-force-rank-insignia.htm

It seems like a Sergent is a rank one attains when he is an enlisted soldier, but Lt. is someone who is an officer. I guess Ford is high up on the totem pole.

Shepard is ranked right under where Carter is now..

Major Fischer
September 21st, 2004, 08:22 PM
Sergeant can mean that Bates is anywhere from a low ranking sergeant to a higher end enlisted. My best guess is that he's a Staff Sergeant, because if he was a Gunnery Sergeant they'd call him "Gunny" and he's really too young to be a Master Sergeant.

Strangely enough, in Rising he's wearing lieutenants bars... ah, wardrobe problems.

As for the canon, we only know of Ford and Sheppard as the only officers on the entire trip.

Now as for Beckett and the gene treatment, you have to remember that was so experimental that they couldn't get approval to do it on earth, and we really don't know how truely effective it has been. In the long term.

watcher652
September 22nd, 2004, 07:08 AM
Now as for Beckett and the gene treatment, you have to remember that was so experimental that they couldn't get approval to do it on earth, and we really don't know how truely effective it has been. In the long term.
I think that McKay can't be the only guinea pig for the gene therapy. You probably need a small group to test with. You have to give it some time to see how it's going to effect them down the road. Beckett must have been really confident that it couldn't hurt, he's very cautious.

Although giving your top scientist anything even remotely dangerous doesn't like a good idea. But McKay was probably such a nag about it. :)

How about that it turns out it only works with people with citrus allergies or hypoglycemia? :D

greytop
September 22nd, 2004, 03:23 PM
I would like to know how Kolya knew it took two senior personnel to active the self-destruct sequence. He's not from Earth. The Genii might have a different proceedure for it than we do.

kryon22
September 22nd, 2004, 09:28 PM
I think that McKay can't be the only guinea pig for the gene therapy. You probably need a small group to test with. You have to give it some time to see how it's going to effect them down the road. Beckett must have been really confident that it couldn't hurt, he's very cautious.

Although giving your top scientist anything even remotely dangerous doesn't like a good idea. But McKay was probably such a nag about it. :)

How about that it turns out it only works with people with citrus allergies or hypoglycemia? :D

To be honest, as a trained molecular biologist and a present phd student in the field, I'm kinda surprised it's working so fast. Knowing that genes work in a more complex way than just introducing the gene to be integrated into the human chromosome, I'm surprised it's expressing and allowing McKay to generate the correct interactive signals et al to operate the more advanced Ancient Technology. What I'm more surprised is that McKay's not exhibiting some serious side effects as a result of this kind of gene therapy, like tumour formations or expressing some infectious retroviral agent. In fact, being a student of metaphysics as well, I'm probably going to write some fan fiction that's gonna be a little technobabble based, but that's gonna propose some ways in which Ancient Tech works and interacts with the gene.

But what you guys said it's true, we do have to suspend our disbelief a little if we're gonna enjoy the stories that are presented by the team of writers. At the heart of it, what we really enjoy most on the show seems to be the characters, how they interact and how they deal with situations that present themselves in such a different fashion from those we've encountered on SG-1.

So kudos to them, even as we nitpick...maybe it'll help them refine things a little, maybe it'll help us understand and rationalize and enjoy the episodes more. We all get something out of it and I think that's what's really important. The point of a good story.

watcher652
September 23rd, 2004, 06:38 AM
I would like to know how Kolya knew it took two senior personnel to active the self-destruct sequence. He's not from Earth. The Genii might have a different proceedure for it than we do.
In a previous post I said that I thought that was some info he got out of McKay. But Kolya said to Sheppard, "if there is such a thing" or something like that. So Kolya isn't sure that there even is a self-destruct mechanism. But it would stand to reason that there would have to be at least 2 people to activate it. That would just be good military sense. Kolya was just making a very educated guess.

And Kolya was probably watching McKay to see how he reacted to that bit of deduction. :)

On the original Star Trek, didn't they need 3 people to enter in the self-destruct code? I remember Scotty had to use his code.

Major Fischer
September 23rd, 2004, 06:42 AM
On the original Star Trek, didn't they need 3 people to enter in the self-destruct code? I remember Scotty had to use his code.

Yes, they did in the original series. I think you're right, it's just simple logic. Even highly trained and experianced military officers go off the deep end. IIRC the US Air Force started getting truely worried about the possibility when an officer held a .45 to the head of a nuke in the late 1950s.

watcher652
September 23rd, 2004, 06:46 AM
But what you guys said it's true, we do have to suspend our disbelief a little if we're gonna enjoy the stories that are presented by the team of writers. At the heart of it, what we really enjoy most on the show seems to be the characters, how they interact and how they deal with situations that present themselves in such a different fashion from those we've encountered on SG-1.
Character development is what makes me love the "Home" episode so much. After all, we take the existence of the Stargate and the city transporter system all in stride. Equal opportunity writers - they can technobabble the medical science as well as the physics! :)

greytop
September 23rd, 2004, 10:07 AM
This is about the hurricane. If the storm was as big as they say with 2 major hurricanes merging and they were both Catagory 5, would that make it a Catagory 10? Or, do they need a different system of measuring hurricanes?

Just a thought. :S

Major Fischer
September 23rd, 2004, 10:27 AM
This is about the hurricane. If the storm was as big as they say with 2 major hurricanes merging and they were both Catagory 5, would that make it a Catagory 10? Or, do they need a different system of measuring hurricanes?

They would probably need to adjust the system. I am 99.9% sure that the current hurricane scale only goes up to Cat 5. The other thing to remember is that is a measure of the windspeed not the physical size.

AgentX
September 23rd, 2004, 11:11 AM
I am 99.9% sure that the current hurricane scale only goes up to Cat 5.

The current scale stops at category 5, but if they wanted to they could still call the storm raging towards Atlantis a category 5 even if the wind speed is 10x greater than anything we have seen before. It would be a very strong category 5, but a cat 5 nonetheless.

A category 5 is a hurricane with windspeed greater than 155mph, with no upper limit.

greytop
September 23rd, 2004, 11:47 AM
I know hurricanes here on earth only go up to a Cat 5, I was just wondering if on the planet where the Atlantis is if they would use Earth System or if the Ancients had their own system to measure them.

I apologize for not make myself clearer on the subject.

KUtrekkie
September 23rd, 2004, 03:04 PM
They'd most likely use the Earth system because it's the only one they know. I doubt the scientists have delved deep enough in to the Ancients' computer records to find something like their hurricane scale. Comparing the Ancients' scale to Earth's would be an interesting way to guesstimate the range in magnitude of the planet's storms, though.

Allison

Mr. Seven
September 23rd, 2004, 08:12 PM
Yeah that storm(s) is/are huge. I bet it would be off the Earth's scale measurement. A great plot device though, and man were they lucky in the timing of it in regards to real life stuff.

ShadowMaat
September 23rd, 2004, 08:15 PM
You wanna see a real storm, check out Jupiter's Red Spot (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/jupiter_spot.html). :D Now THAT is a storm....

Sy'onei
September 23rd, 2004, 10:04 PM
I'm waiting for the redhead and Teyla to fight. I want Teyla to kick her ash! Then when she wins they can make up and be friends

Major Fischer
September 23rd, 2004, 10:12 PM
I'm waiting for the redhead and Teyla to fight. I want Teyla to kick her ash! Then when she wins they can make up and be friends


I seriously doubt that 'friends' will enter into the equation after that knife fight is over.

Furling God
September 24th, 2004, 08:30 AM
It is a strong storm ok, but still for the moment it has not moved Beckett's jumper. I say for the moment, looks to me like a strong Earth hurricane. Tayla says it's in full force, mmm...

Nothing to worry so much about as regards strongly built Atlantis, and for the Athosians, well, they didn't have a cavern or something, or they were not able to dig a hole in somme woody valley?

I haven't even seen anybody leaning against the wind for the moment.

watcher652
September 24th, 2004, 01:27 PM
I seriously doubt that 'friends' will enter into the equation after that knife fight is over.
Excuse me, is this a spoiler? :eek: Pardon me while I cover my eyes and mumble to myself. "Didn't want to know, didn't want to know... "

Major Fischer
September 24th, 2004, 01:37 PM
Excuse me, is this a spoiler? :eek: Pardon me while I cover my eyes and mumble to myself. "Didn't want to know, didn't want to know... "

My apologies. I went back and put the appropriate spoiler tags in place. I didn't think about it as I was replying to a post that also had no spoiler tag. My bad.

NightGloom
September 24th, 2004, 06:08 PM
Wow... I just realized what great/ terrible timing the airing of "The Storm" was while typing up my article for the school magazine. See, I missed the first airing because of hurricane Ivan and our stupid little wild goose chase all around Western PA. Yeah... I'm very observant :D

Ugly Pig
September 26th, 2004, 03:57 AM
Better late than never, but no more useful:


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'The Storm'

This was a good episode. Right from the start with Sheppard and Teyla discovering the approaching storm (oooh... scary!). I liked pretty much everything in this episode, even though it felt like mostly build-up (I bet the next ep will be great!).

McKay and Zelenka's chattering ("Reasons too boring to get into"... Heh heh. Good ol' McKay...) was fun. The Genii's appearance was promising - I'm really liking them as bad guys at this point. The commander guy (Koya? Kolya?) was great - cold b**tard. (If a bit of an idiot - yes us people from another galaxy are closer to the Ancients than you. They seeded our galaxy first, remember? We're at least a couple of thousand years further along on the evolutionary chain, thus closer to becoming what the Ancients were. Well, that's my interpretation anyway...). But I did enjoy his interaction with Sheppard.

The girl whose name I can't remember whose father got killed in 'Underground' - I wonder what's up with her. She's obviously out for revenge against Teyla, and yet she seems more compassionate than the others. I can't wait to see what's going with happen to her. Right now, I'm betting either she or Ko(l)ya (or perhaps both) will get killed in the next episode.

Another good thing: We got to see parts of the city we haven't seen before (that bridge and other places Sheppard was walking through), which is always fun. And the lightning rod thingie that he was going to deactivate was outside. We should see more outsides Atlantis stuff - there must be streets in the city, right?

Well, that's all. I can't wait for (sigh...) next year, when we get to see the resolution to this story. The build-up has been great. Until then:

GAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!! Cliffhanger! Evil! EVIL!!!

Ugly Pig
September 26th, 2004, 05:07 AM
Oh, I had planned to mention this but I forgot: I bet that when I go back and read what everyone else said about this episode, there will be a lot of "clever" remarks from the Weir haters... ("I hope he does shoot her! But with my luck, that's probably not gonna happen... Bwa ha ha, I'm so great!")

EDIT: Whaddoya know, nobody did. At least in this thread. Shucks...

Major Fischer
September 26th, 2004, 10:09 AM
Oh, I had planned to mention this but I forgot: I bet that when I go back and read what everyone else said about this episode, there will be a lot of "clever" remarks from the Weir haters... ("I hope he does shoot her! But with my luck, that's probably not gonna happen... Bwa ha ha, I'm so great!")

There was actually quite a bit less of that than I expected myself.

As for me, I've got The Storm on a VHS tape sitting on my desk like an unholy temptation but I have't watched it yet. I hate cliffhangers and I kinda figure sometime closer to January I'll sit down to watch it.

greytop
September 26th, 2004, 10:43 AM
As for me, I've got The Storm on a VHS tape sitting on my desk like an unholy temptation but I have't watched it yet. I hate cliffhangers and I kinda figure sometime closer to January I'll sit down to watch it.
They'll probably show it again the week before the winter premire.

Major Fischer
September 26th, 2004, 10:44 AM
They'll probably show it again the week before the winter premire.

I'm sure they will, it's a bit of an exercise in self control having the tape sitting on my desk and seeing how long it'll be before I break down and watch it.

Ugly Pig
September 26th, 2004, 12:31 PM
I'm sure they will, it's a bit of an exercise in self control having the tape sitting on my desk and seeing how long it'll be before I break down and watch it.
You realize, of course, that you will have been thoroughly spoiled by the time you watch it? :p

Major Fischer
September 26th, 2004, 02:08 PM
You realize, of course, that you will have been thoroughly spoiled by the time you watch it? :p

Yes. But I also started watching the series during season seven, so I have gone into almost every episode with a basic idea of what will go on at the least.

watcher652
September 26th, 2004, 03:28 PM
The girl whose name I can't remember whose father got killed in 'Underground' - I wonder what's up with her. She's obviously out for revenge against Teyla, and yet she seems more compassionate than the others. I can't wait to see what's going with happen to her. Right now, I'm betting either she or Ko(l)ya (or perhaps both) will get killed in the next episode.
Sora is smart enough not to hate all of the Atlantis expedition just because of something Teyla did. Teyla knew Sora and her father. So to Sora, it's personal. Sora doesn't know those other people with the high tech stuff.

I don't think Sora gets killed. I think Weir's speech made an impact on her. She may be able to convince her people that they should work with us, not against us. And you all know what I think should happen to Kolya.

watcher652
September 26th, 2004, 03:32 PM
Oh, I had planned to mention this but I forgot: I bet that when I go back and read what everyone else said about this episode, there will be a lot of "clever" remarks from the Weir haters... ("I hope he does shoot her! But with my luck, that's probably not gonna happen... Bwa ha ha, I'm so great!")

EDIT: Whaddoya know, nobody did. At least in this thread. Shucks...
Weir has some good stuff to say, for once. Actually, for twice, she has some good moments in "Home".

Everybody should get an episode to show their character. It just took longer to get to Weir since she's stuck at home base.

Tok'Ra Hostess
September 27th, 2004, 09:14 AM
I finally :rolleyes: got to squint at The Storm, and of course now there are a gazzilion posts in this thread, so, as usual, I'll post my thoughts first, and read yours later. :p

STORY BY - Jill Blotevogel - you go, girl!

So, did the storm clouds look menacing? I couldn't see them at all on squinty. In my mind I just combined images from the last four hurricanes to hit the Islands and US East coast. :(

I have remained almost completely spoiler free for the new seasons of Stargate, so I was actually taken by surprise when buddy from that "hospitable" planet contacted the Genii. :)

MacKay was in fine form, as ever, and it was great to see Zelenka again. Loved that moment of epiphany between them! Which one of them had been struck by lightning, once?

The Genii are a totally cool group of "bad guys" whose morality is completely self-centered. The Genii are as hard to negotiate with as the Wraith. :cool:

Very good tension throughout the ep, but especially at the cliff-hanger. :eek: I expect our marooned puddle jumper crew will figure more heavily in part two. I also expect a no-holds-barred battle between Teyla and Sora(?).

<shrugs> What can I say? I really liked it. :p

TRex
September 27th, 2004, 11:02 AM
Yes, hurricanes only go up to Category Five.

I had a bunch of problems with this STUPID episode:
(1) hurricanes CANNOT MERGE -- they repulse each other
(2) hurricanes have very little lightning -- the whole idea of powering the shields from lightning strikes was STUPID
(The writers really needed to have a meterologist as a consultant)
(3) why call it a 'hurricane' -- that word is only used in the North Atlantic, and the Atlantis team is supposed to be International. They should have called it a 'tropical cyclone'.

And why could they not used a bunch of puddlejumpers to evacuate everyone to somewhere else on the planet or up above the storm and wait it out without involving other people they know little about?

Plus, it seemed way out of character for the Atlantis team to threaten others in order to compel them to provide refuge.

Bad episode.

Tok'Ra Hostess
September 27th, 2004, 12:07 PM
[QUOTE=TRex]Yes, hurricanes only go up to Category Five.

I had a bunch of problems with this STUPID episode:
(1) hurricanes CANNOT MERGE -- they repulse each other
(2) hurricanes have very little lightning -- the whole idea of powering the shields from lightning strikes was STUPID
(The writers really needed to have a meterologist as a consultant)


I can't argue these two points as I know as much about hurricanes as the writers, apparently. ;)

(Looks like ignorance has blissed me once again! :p )



(3) why call it a 'hurricane' -- that word is only used in the North Atlantic, and the Atlantis team is supposed to be International. They should have called it a 'tropical cyclone'.

Because Sheppard, Weir, and MacKay are the main characters and they live in hurricane land, so they'd naturally call it a hurricane? (Zelenka admitted that he'd never experienced such a thing, living in middle Europe.) And why Tropical? I've only seen the eps on squinty and so the scenery is never clear, but is there any indication that they are in a tropical zone?


And why could they not used a bunch of puddlejumpers to evacuate everyone to somewhere else on the planet or up above the storm and wait it out without involving other people they know little about?

A PJ can probably handle about fifteen people, max. There are five PJ(that we know of). There is an Athosian and a Earth population to move. Do the math. :p


Plus, it seemed way out of character for the Atlantis team to threaten others in order to compel them to provide refuge.

I didn't like that, either. It sounded kinda mafioso, to me. But they were desperate by then, and not just a little irritated that their hosts were not more compassionate.

Major Fischer
September 27th, 2004, 12:12 PM
And why Tropical? I've only seen the eps on squinty and so the scenery is never clear, but is there any indication that they are in a tropical zone?

Hurricanes, or cyclones, at any rate, are by definition beasts of tropical latitudes that form in and feed off of warm water. That is why they loose strength when they hit land or move too far north into the colder waters.

Though I happen to agree with you. The reason they call it a hurricane is because the main characters are Weir, Sheppard, and McKay ;) There was some fuss earlier this year when the US National Weather Service decided to call a storm in the south Atlantic a hurricane, while the weather service in Brazil claimed it was not. ;)

DJFavorite
September 27th, 2004, 12:15 PM
Hurricanes, or cyclones, at any rate, are by definition beasts of tropical latitudes that form in and feed off of warm water. That is why they loose strength when they hit land or move too far north into the colder waters.

Though I happen to agree with you. The reason they call it a hurricane is because the main characters are Weir, Sheppard, and McKay ;) There was some fuss earlier this year when the US National Weather Service decided to call a storm in the south Atlantic a hurricane, while the weather service in Brazil claimed it was not. ;)
Cyclones? Don't you mean typhoon. I thought cyclones are what happen in Kansas that send you to Oz. ;)

greytop
September 27th, 2004, 12:23 PM
Cyclones? Don't you mean typhoon. I thought cyclones are what happen in Kansas that send you to Oz. ;)
I believe I have heard that hurricanes and tornadoes arre both considered cyclones.

Major Fischer
September 27th, 2004, 12:26 PM
Cyclones? Don't you mean typhoon. I thought cyclones are what happen in Kansas that send you to Oz. ;)

No. I mean cyclone.

From dictionary.com

Cyclone (n.)
Meteorology.
1. An atmospheric system characterized by the rapid inward circulation of air masses about a low-pressure center, usually accompanied by stormy, often destructive weather. Cyclones circulate counterclockwise in the Northern Hemisphere and clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere.
A violent tropical storm, especially one originating in the southwestern Pacific Ocean or Indian Ocean.
2. A violent rotating windstorm.

--

Typhoon (n.)
A tropical cyclone occurring in the western Pacific or Indian oceans.

--

Hurricane (n.)
1. A severe tropical cyclone originating in the equatorial regions of the Atlantic Ocean or Caribbean Sea or eastern regions of the Pacific Ocean, traveling north, northwest, or northeast from its point of origin, and usually involving heavy rains.
2. A wind with a speed greater than 74 miles (119 kilometers) per hour, according to the Beaufort scale.

What you were thinking of is a tornado. Which is a very different beast.

DJFavorite
September 27th, 2004, 12:41 PM
Thanks for the clarification. I've heard Tornado and cyclone used interchangably, but I have never heard cyclone used for a hurricane. Though I guess if I thought about it for a couple seconds, I would have realized that's what you meant. :o

Major Fischer
September 27th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Thanks for the clarification. I've heard Tornado and cyclone used interchangably, but I have never heard cyclone used for a hurricane. Though I guess if I thought about it for a couple seconds, I would have realized that's what you meant. :o

Don't be embarrassed. I looked up the definitions to make sure I wasn't being stupid and ignorant. ;) :p

watcher652
September 27th, 2004, 03:39 PM
STORY BY - Jill Blotevogel - you go, girl!
Jill Blotevogel has also written for my other favorite show, The Dead Zone.



Loved that moment of epiphany between them! Which one of them had been struck by lightning, once?
That was McKay. He was commenting to Zelenka that he was once almost hit by lightning. Then lightning did strike. That's when McKay stood up (and I noticed that his chair was on wheels as it rolled back) and he and Zelenka looked at each other with the same thought occurring to them at the same time.

McKay's had a lot of traumatic experiences, hasn't he? Imagine being almost hit by lightning! I wonder if he was doing a science experiment?

Liv
September 27th, 2004, 03:46 PM
I wonder if he was doing a science experiment?
Wouldn't surprise me at all. :D

I can just picture him now, directing all of his anger towards that lightning bolt for even daring to disturb his work of genius. :p

*sigh* McKay, I miss you already, and it's been what, a week and a half?

ShadowMaat
September 27th, 2004, 03:48 PM
McKay's had a lot of traumatic experiences, hasn't he? Imagine being almost hit by lightning! I wonder if he was doing a science experiment?
Maybe he'd been chased up a tree by a bunch of thugs. ;)

Tok'Ra Hostess
September 27th, 2004, 06:46 PM
Maybe he'd been chased up a tree by a bunch of thugs. ;)

Or locked in a deadly cube with a thug. :D

Tok'Ra Hostess
September 27th, 2004, 07:08 PM
Imagine being almost hit by lightning!

I don't have to imagine it; I was indirectly struck by lightning. I was a kid, in the summer kitchen on the farm, on the phone - rotary dial - when lightning struck the telephone pole. The force literally blew me across the room! The box remained secured to the wall but my big brothers(who were white as ghosts and uncharacteristically solicitous) had to pry the handset from my hand, which seemed to have welded itself around the phone.

One of those "ignorance is bliss" things; being a kid, I thought it was a totally cool experience, like something that only happened to my sci-fi heros. :p

greytop
September 27th, 2004, 07:26 PM
I don't have to imagine it; I was indirectly struck by lightning. I was a kid, in the summer kitchen on the farm, on the phone - rotary dial - when lightning struck the telephone pole. The force literally blew me across the room! The box remained secured to the wall but my big brothers(who were white as ghosts and uncharacteristically solicitous) had to pry the handset from my hand, which seemed to have welded itself around the phone.

One of those "ignorance is bliss" things; being a kid, I thought it was a totally cool experience, like something that only happened to my sci-fi heros. :p
Glad you're okay, Tok'Ra. I sure don't want to be struck by lightning.

watcher652
September 27th, 2004, 11:32 PM
McKay's had a lot of traumatic experiences, hasn't he? Imagine being almost hit by lightning! I wonder if he was doing a science experiment?
Maybe he'd been chased up a tree by a bunch of thugs.

Or locked in a deadly cube with a thug. :D
Or wishing for something to happen in a world of Nothing.

Excuse me, so off topic!

I wonder if we'll get to hear the rest of the lightning story someday? McKay just can't leave us hanging!

And I really want Zelenka to show up more often. McKay and Zelenka have a great give and take. The writers must know how much we love our recurring characters!

Furling God
September 28th, 2004, 01:59 AM
Well anyway it's supposed to be a strong wind, whatever you call it. Yet for the moment I have seen nobody leaning against the wind.

There should be huge waves and some salted water on their faces too, when they go outside. If Atlantis is in danger because of that, it's more fragile than our off-shore oil-mining stations.

The jumper on the continent is not even jolted, so why evacuate? It's only rain with lightnings.

If that's what they call a storm, I can take them on a few places on Earth to show them what a really bad weather is!

Oh my! Such a lack of budget and shooting time, the directors can't even make the characters lean against a strong wind! Not even wuthering wind sound effects...

ShadowMaat
September 28th, 2004, 03:48 AM
I thought the Storm hadn't actually reached them yet. Although it might have been nice to see Teyla's crew getting batted around as they tried to board the PJ.

I wanna see someone get sucked right off the porch. :P

greytop
September 28th, 2004, 11:21 AM
Yes, hurricanes only go up to Category Five.

I had a bunch of problems with this STUPID episode:
(1) hurricanes CANNOT MERGE -- they repulse each other
(2) hurricanes have very little lightning -- the whole idea of powering the shields from lightning strikes was STUPID
(The writers really needed to have a meterologist as a consultant)
(3) why call it a 'hurricane' -- that word is only used in the North Atlantic, and the Atlantis team is supposed to be International. They should have called it a 'tropical cyclone'.

And why could they not used a bunch of puddlejumpers to evacuate everyone to somewhere else on the planet or up above the storm and wait it out without involving other people they know little about?

Plus, it seemed way out of character for the Atlantis team to threaten others in order to compel them to provide refuge.

Bad episode.
On Earth, you are right that hurricanes can not merge.

They can merge on the planet where Altantis is. My reasoning: Different planet, different circumstances.

watcher652
September 28th, 2004, 01:11 PM
On Earth, you are right that hurricanes can not merge.

They can merge on the planet where Altantis is. My reasoning: Different planet, different circumstances.
Well, I don't know about that. The laws of physics are pretty much the same all over. That's why humans are able to exist on the planets that they inhabit.

I guess if I was weather aware, this would bug me, too. I just take it as dramatic license.

lyne_sparrow
September 28th, 2004, 01:25 PM
I wanna see someone get sucked right off the porch. :P

**arrrhhheemmmm-bates-cough*cough*

watcher652
September 28th, 2004, 02:06 PM
I wanna see someone get sucked right off the porch.
**arrrhhheemmmm-bates-cough*cough*
I thought Kolya would be a good candidate!

Tok'Ra Hostess
September 28th, 2004, 02:17 PM
**arrrhhheemmmm-bates-cough*cough*

BTW, was Bates in this ep?

lyne_sparrow
September 28th, 2004, 03:12 PM
I thought Kolya would be a good candidate!

Nope, Koyla's should suffer more, it's not cruel enough (I clearly remember *someone* writing something about hating his guts :p..)


BTW, was Bates in this ep?
Don't think so...

Ugly Pig
September 28th, 2004, 03:35 PM
BTW, was Bates in this ep?
No... But he was responsible for having made a deal with the people who betrayed Atlantis to the Genii... It's all his fault! :D

ShadowMaat
September 28th, 2004, 03:36 PM
Have Crazy Girl get sucked off the deck and then Teyla has to rescue her. And everyone lives happily ever after. :P

lyne_sparrow
September 28th, 2004, 05:32 PM
No... But he was responsible for having made a deal with the people who betrayed Atlantis to the Genii... It's all his fault! :D

(waving hand and jumping up and down ) Oh, I know, I know! Sheppard hid the C4 in Bates backpack! Since it's all Bates' fault Shep's just going to go : Hey, Bates, look! An Athosian spy! Then he'll lock the door (yeah, the Ancients do have locks... duh...) of a room where Koyla just *happens* to be, then KABOOM!.. they'll fly out of the window right into the ocean (happy Watcher ?? :))
I've got to stop being so mean...

greytop
September 28th, 2004, 06:16 PM
Sorry, Sparrow. (Don't mind if I call you that?), I hate burst your bubble. I believe Sgt. Bate is with the rest of the people, off world. So his backpact is probably with him. :p

lyne_sparrow
September 28th, 2004, 06:24 PM
Sorry, Sparrow. (Don't mind if I call you that?), I hate burst your bubble. I believe Sgt. Bate is with the rest of the people, off world. So his backpact is probably with him. :p

Damn... I'll have to think about something else that could happen to him offworld ... OOhhhh! Maybe he'll get into a fight with Zelenka! (ok, I'm not sure Zelenka would win in this case, but hey, I need a new bubble since you burst my old and comfortable one :)...

.. BTW, no, I don't mind :)

watcher652
September 28th, 2004, 11:48 PM
I wanna see someone get sucked right off the porch.
**arrrhhheemmmm-bates-cough*cough*
I thought Kolya would be a good candidate!
Nope, Koyla's should suffer more, it's not cruel enough (I clearly remember *someone* writing something about hating his guts :p..)
I think getting sucked into hurricane and probably being torn to shreds is suffering enough, don't you? Hmm, that's even a bit much for me and you know how I feel about him.

greytop
September 29th, 2004, 11:48 AM
Maybe we ought to name it, David or Darren(no offense, guys). :) :D
The storm, that is.

Major Fischer
September 29th, 2004, 11:56 AM
Maybe we ought to name it, David or Darren(no offense, guys). :) :D
The storm, that is.

For their massively destructive wrath? Are you sure you want to do that?

greytop
September 29th, 2004, 12:06 PM
For their massively destructive wrath? Are you sure you want to do that?
We could name Kinsey to bring a SG-1 reference into it.

Major Fischer
September 29th, 2004, 12:09 PM
We could name Kinsey to bring a SG-1 reference into it.

Nah, have to find an "A" name.

lyne_sparrow
September 29th, 2004, 12:09 PM
For their massively destructive wrath? Are you sure you want to do that?

Let's call it Felger :)

EDIT: Ok... not really an "A" name, but still... :)

greytop
September 29th, 2004, 12:10 PM
We could be different and start at the end of the alphabet.

DJFavorite
September 29th, 2004, 12:12 PM
Nah, have to find an "A" name.
Apophis????

lyne_sparrow
September 29th, 2004, 12:13 PM
We could be different and start at the end of the alphabet.

Then mine works if you live in a world where there's only 6 letters in the alphabet :) ... (anything's possible in atlantis)

greytop
September 29th, 2004, 12:14 PM
Apophis????
Better yet, Anubis. He's move evil. I think.

lyne_sparrow
September 29th, 2004, 12:17 PM
Better yet, Anubis. He's move evil. I think.

If the name really have to start with an "A" I strongly suggest Anise: She's evil :) .... (what do you mean it HAS to be a guy's name ?!...)

Major Fischer
September 29th, 2004, 12:20 PM
I like Ansie best ;)

ShadowMaat
September 29th, 2004, 12:58 PM
Anise wasn't evil, was she? Just badly written. ;)

If we start with the end of the alphabet, bout about Zelenka? :D Or maybe Zipacna.

I still like Darren or David, though. Or... doesn't David's mom's name start with an A?

greytop
September 29th, 2004, 01:00 PM
Anise wasn't evil, was she? Just badly written. ;)

If we start with the end of the alphabet, bout about Zelenka? :D Or maybe Zipacna.
I'll take Zipacna. I like Zelenka.

lyne_sparrow
September 29th, 2004, 01:05 PM
Didn't they say that there were two hurricanes merging? let's call one Anise and the other one Zipacna

Sy'onei
September 30th, 2004, 12:23 AM
I seriously doubt that 'friends' will enter into the equation after that knife fight is over.


You'd be amazed how a good azz kickin' can humble the most vengeful person...

watcher652
September 30th, 2004, 09:05 AM
I seriously doubt that 'friends' will enter into the equation after that knife fight is over.
You'd be amazed how a good azz kickin' can humble the most vengeful person...

I hope Sy'onei's response was mere speculation and not a spoiler! :S

lyne_sparrow
September 30th, 2004, 09:13 AM
I hope Sy'onei's response was mere speculation and not a spoiler! :S

It probably was...! (trying to keep Watcher and myself in our anti-spoiler bubble)

zats
September 30th, 2004, 03:16 PM
Raining on someone else's parade? :D

I think they did a hail of a good job in this ep. ;)

Oh, dear God, MAKE IT END!!!! :p

greytop
October 1st, 2004, 04:28 PM
Didn't they say that there were two hurricanes merging? let's call one Anise and the other one Zipacna
That's okay with me.

lyne_sparrow
October 2nd, 2004, 08:52 AM
That's okay with me.

Maybe we should send a memo to TPTB to notice them that the hurricanes now have names :)

sgtgary
October 2nd, 2004, 04:57 PM
I know hurricanes here on earth only go up to a Cat 5, I was just wondering if on the planet where the Atlantis is if they would use Earth System or if the Ancients had their own system to measure them.


The current method of categorizing hurricanes here on Earth is based upon the physics of our planet - water temperature, our atmospheric temperature/composition (and thus temperature lapse rate), gravity, circumference, etc, etc... We only go to Cat 5 because this is as strong as an Earth hurricane *should* ever become. An Earth storm is limited in size and strength because of limitations of available centrifugal and coriolis forces before the storm unwinds itself.

How strong a storm could become on another planet would be dependent on the characteristics of the other planet. It's quite conceivable that hurricanes could reach size and wind speeds 10x that of Earth. Consider the great red spot on Jupiter - it could never happen on Earth but it's been on Jupiter for hundreds of years... Now that's a storm! ;)

greytop
October 3rd, 2004, 10:22 AM
Maybe we should send a memo to TPTB to notice them that the hurricanes now have names :)
Maybe I should take Sheppard's advice to Ford, something about not naming things ever. :eek: