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August 5th, 2004, 08:34 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 106</FONT>
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Sheppard and the team visit a world where no one is over 24 years old -- because of a ritual suicide practice they believe keeps the Wraith at bay.

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P90
August 13th, 2004, 06:21 PM
Nevermind, he's Lt. Elliot from Proving Ground. :S Why do they keep reusing the same actors?!

ShadowMaat
August 13th, 2004, 06:31 PM
Because the actors are GOOD?? Just a guess, there. Some of my ideas can be a little wacky...

As far as the ep goes, the problem that immediately springs to mind is: they're saying that the wraith haven't attacked the villages for generations, right? But the wraith haven't been around much in generations, have they? It was only recently that they all awoke, and what a handful might have been willing to ignore before a whole feasting horde might be willing to go the extra distance to get some food.

Also. I LOVE McKay but the poor little kiddies.

P90
August 13th, 2004, 06:42 PM
Because the actors are GOOD?? Just a guess, there. Some of my ideas can be a little wacky...


No arguement from me there. I love the actors that they use, but the fact that they reuse them for different characters is a little disconcerting. When a character has an entire episode devoted to them, and then they return as some one else... :S

Ilios
August 13th, 2004, 06:45 PM
Also. I LOVE McKay but the poor little kiddies.

Those conversations with the kids made my day hehe :p

P90
August 13th, 2004, 06:46 PM
Those conversations with the kids made my day hehe :p

"Have you guys heard of chocolate? No? This is going to be huge!"

Ford made me laugh so hard.

Z_2
August 13th, 2004, 06:51 PM
McKay should've been known better than to take something that wasn't his. Was he just gonna rationalize that the Atlantis team needed it more than the kids? He should've thought it through, imo. Some possible questions? "Why is this zpm here?" Or, "does the zpm provide some necessary value to the inhabitants?" But, the story wouldn't be going in the current direction...

ShadowMaat
August 13th, 2004, 06:53 PM
Did McKay say ZEE-PM at one point in his arguing with Weir? I lost track for a sec. Maybe it was Weir...

Faith
August 13th, 2004, 06:53 PM
I will post more when the ep is reaired and I watch every minute of it.

Good show so far

Z_2
August 13th, 2004, 07:01 PM
The Elder, thinking: "Oooh! I got some wrapped objects in a bag of some weird material. Now what do I do with it?" :S
:)

P90
August 13th, 2004, 07:01 PM
Did McKay say ZEE-PM at one point in his arguing with Weir? I lost track for a sec. Maybe it was Weir...

He said ZEE-PM at least once, but he also threw in the canadian ZED-PM.

ShadowMaat
August 13th, 2004, 07:03 PM
But for now I am pissed at this EP. I mean How many puddle jumpers are they going to demolish? There is only so many right?
They didn't "demolish" this one.




2ed why even find a zpm if it is not going to work in atlantis anyways. That really pissed me off.
They didn't KNOW it wouldn't work in Atlantis until they got it BACK there and rans some tests.





3erd Those people of that planet are so stupid, I mean sacraficing theirselves. In my opinion a stupid plot.
There are a lot of rituals in human culture that are pretty "stupid". Self-sacrifice is no dumber than some that are still in use here on Earth. Don't be so quick to condemn what you don't understand.

I don't think it will be one of my FAVORITE eps and it may have needed a little more filling out plot-wise, but I still kinda liked it. Mostly because McKay kicks ass. :D McKay and kids... gotta love it. hehe

Mio
August 13th, 2004, 07:05 PM
Awww.

We didn't get a ZPM :(

ShadowMaat
August 13th, 2004, 07:06 PM
He said ZEE-PM at least once, but he also threw in the canadian ZED-PM.
Yeah, but the point is, if he's so Canadian, he shouldn't slip up like that. It'd be like an American unintentionally saying ZEDPM.

edit: Then again, I would probably screw up on something like that, especially if I was arguing with someone saying it the other way. ;) It just threw me is all...

Mio
August 13th, 2004, 07:07 PM
Those people of that planet are so stupid, I mean sacraficing theirselves. In my opinion a stupid plot.

A considerable portion of Earth's population bases their entire lives around the teachings a 2000 year old carpenter. Your point?

Faith
August 13th, 2004, 07:07 PM
Hey do NOT jump all over me and my post. I said "In my opinion and also that I did not watch all parts of the ep and was going to rewatch all of it. That meaning I might change my mind on the ep if after seeing all the details.

There is NO reason to jump all over me!!!!!!!!!

Elwe Singollo
August 13th, 2004, 07:09 PM
I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but did anyone get a little feeling that the whole sacrafice thing to keep the population at a certain number kind of like SG1 Episode, "Revisions"? Well of course its different, but its just me comparing and contrasting :)

Mio
August 13th, 2004, 07:10 PM
I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but did anyone get a little feeling that the whole sacrafice thing to keep the population at a certain number kind of like SG1 Episode, "Revisions"? Well of course its different, but its just me comparing and contrasting :)
That was different. That was an evil computer making them do it <nod>

ShadowMaat
August 13th, 2004, 07:10 PM
There is NO reason to jump all over me!!!!!!!!!
You stated your opinion, I recounted using ideas and opinions of my own. Sorry if that bothers you. Your original post came across as being very hostile in my opinion so I replied in a particularly blunt manner. I wasn't jumping all over you, just suggesting alternatives. All I'm really saying is try and keep an open mind...

Lucia Tanaka
August 13th, 2004, 07:12 PM
This was a fun episode. I like that elder kid who got shot. And the kids. Poor guys, having to be at the recieving end of Rodney's snark.

Heehee. McKay broke the ZPM. Beckett's never gonna leave him alone about that. ^.^

~Lucia

ShadowMaat
August 13th, 2004, 07:14 PM
Revisions:
I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but did anyone get a little feeling that the whole sacrafice thing to keep the population at a certain number kind of like SG1 Episode, "Revisions"? Well of course its different, but its just me comparing and contrasting :)
Revisions:
Definite shades of Revisions both with the sacrifice and with the "dwindling field of protection".

It also reminded me a bit of that ep where they brought back the rebel SG teammates to fix the device they'd broken which shielded the city. Drawing a complete blank on the name... Grogan was in it.

Mio
August 13th, 2004, 07:14 PM
This was a fun episode. I like that elder kid who got shot. And the kids. Poor guys, having to be at the recieving end of Rodney's snark.

Heehee. McKay broke the ZPM. Beckett's never gonna leave him alone about that. ^.^

~Lucia
No. He didn't break it. At first, he thought he may have broken it, but then he realized that he just didn't know how to initialize it.

Lucia Tanaka
August 13th, 2004, 07:16 PM
No. He didn't break it. At first, he thought he may have broken it, but then he realized that he just didn't know how to initialize it.


I know. But it's still his fault.

~Lucia

Mio
August 13th, 2004, 07:17 PM
I know. But it's still his fault.

~Lucia
But he didn't break it.

Lucia Tanaka
August 13th, 2004, 07:21 PM
But he didn't break it.


>.< Nevermind.

Anyway, is anyone starting to like Ford more now? I know tons of people had a problem with him. Any changes in opinion?

~Lucia

They call me Tim
August 13th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Revisions:
Definite shades of Revisions both with the sacrifice and with the "dwindling field of protection".

It also reminded me a bit of that ep where they brought back the rebel SG teammates to fix the device they'd broken which shielded the city. Drawing a complete blank on the name... Grogan was in it.

I think that the episode was the Sentinel...and I liked this episode...it was kind of the first exploration mission that they have gone on...and of course yet another greek mention with the kid Ares(wow, he was a war monger :p ) This had more of a early season SG-1 feel do you agree. and again I get so so stuck on their opening song

ShadowMaat
August 13th, 2004, 07:31 PM
I think that the episode was the Sentinel...and I liked this episode...it was kind of the first exploration mission that they have gone on...and of course yet another greek mention with the kid Ares(wow, he was a war monger :p ) This had more of a early season SG-1 feel do you agree. and again I get so so stuck on their opening song
Yes. Sentinel. Thanks. :)

Closed Captioning spelled it "Aries" but yes, he was pretty war-like, wasn't he? Or yet another religious fundamentalist type. *rolls eyes*

Definitely an early-season feel, with a heavy smattering of the eps already mentioned. At least this time the plot sounded a little more rational than when they did it in Revisions. Ye gods, I hated that ep...

Livi2Jack
August 13th, 2004, 07:32 PM
Anyone notice that the bows from the bows and arrows are plywood and you can really notice the plies at the ends of the bows where props cut them out of a piece of plywood?

Mio
August 13th, 2004, 07:36 PM
Anyone notice that the bows from the bows and arrows are plywood and you can really notice the plies at the ends of the bows where props cut them out of a piece of plywood?
:laugh: No. I'll have to watch it again.

Happy Fun Ball
August 13th, 2004, 07:38 PM
Revisions + Logan's Run = this episode

Still a good episode, but if anyone from SG1 were there, they probably would have punched McKay in the face for what he said back on Atlantis.

NightGloom
August 13th, 2004, 07:40 PM
>.< Nevermind.

Anyway, is anyone starting to like Ford more now? I know tons of people had a problem with him. Any changes in opinion?

~Lucia

I'm getting more used to him now. It was cute when he gave the chocolate to the kids. I think they're still trying to establish that he's the "youngin'" of the group, but they're going slightly overboard on him acting childish. Although in this ep, he wasn't as bad.

ShadowMaat
August 13th, 2004, 07:41 PM
Still a good episode, but if anyone from SG1 were there, they probably would have punched McKay in the face for what he said back on Atlantis.
I sincerely doubt that anyone from SG-1 would have punched ANYONE in the face for saying what was said- even if it had been McKay. ;)

I actually got a Shades of Gray vibe off the confrontation with Weir, except in McKay's case, he was completely serious...

Mio
August 13th, 2004, 07:45 PM
I actually got a Shades of Gray vibe off the confrontation with Weir, except in McKay's case, he was completely serious...
I think McKay was right. We needed a ZPM. We still do.

Lucia Tanaka
August 13th, 2004, 07:48 PM
I think McKay was right. We needed a ZPM. We still do.

True. I agree with McKay too, but I think it had to be part of his development to be shot down by Weir. He knows he's correct, but he still has to follow orders. I doubt it's something he's used to.

~Lucia

P90
August 13th, 2004, 07:48 PM
Anyone notice that the bows from the bows and arrows are plywood and you can really notice the plies at the ends of the bows where props cut them out of a piece of plywood?

Speaking of those bows, did those crossbows look exactly like the ones from Double Jeopardy? :o

Lucia Tanaka
August 13th, 2004, 07:51 PM
Speaking of those bows, did those crossbows look exactly like the ones from Double Jeopardy? :o

*laughs* And here I was thinking I was observant! Come to GateWorld, and everything you know about these shows is tested.

~Lucia

Pegasus
August 13th, 2004, 07:53 PM
These villagers seem very hostile for people who've lived in peace for 500(?) years. Living without an external threat for so long, you'd think they'd lighten up, maybe question their rules, sneak away (as in Logan's Run?)

And if the shield was put up to protect these people, why set up such a horrible way to control population size?

Not much to like in this episode - except for McKay making the kiddies cry. :p

NightGloom
August 13th, 2004, 08:12 PM
I wondered why people wouldn't sneak away, but from the way that the others acted they would hunt them down anyway. I don't think they actually lived in complete peace, since everyone knew they were going to die at 25.

crazylinguist
August 13th, 2004, 08:29 PM
I don't think they actually lived in complete peace, since everyone knew they were going to die at 25.

Actually IMO, I think they did live in peace. You have to remember their way of looking at things is totally different from ours. I think many of them died happy, just knowing that they were helping save their people. (Though I'm sure some of them had second thoughts) I think most of them just accepted it as how things were. It had been done that way for as long as they could remember and that was how they were raised. Though I totally agree with Sheppard and the others trying to convince them that they didn't have to die.

Jonas
August 13th, 2004, 08:32 PM
This was a pretty good episode I thought. I loved McKay with the kids and when he mentioned Carter and there great love in the teaser. Ford with the kids given them chocolate was hilarious, though I still feel he is suffering from the same thing Ensign Travis Mayweather of "Star Trek: Enterprise" does. The fact that he is just there. Ford is the least developed character so far. I liked seeing Lt. Elliot again. The one kid that was sent after McKay and ran back to tell them the device worked again seemed familar. Anyone else reconginze him?

ShadowMaat
August 13th, 2004, 08:33 PM
I actually find it a little difficult to believe that they would give up that ritual as easily as implied. As far as these people are concerned, the lives of every person on the planet depends upon The Sacrifice. Then some guy comes along and says, "Oh, you know that ritual thing? Yeah, actually, we don't have to do that anymore."

I'd also like to know why the builders of the device didn't make whatever change McKay made to expand the field. I mean, if McKay can think up and implement the idea, why not one of the Ancients? ;)

Faith
August 13th, 2004, 08:34 PM
I will post more when the ep is reaired and I watch every minute of it.

But for now I am pissed at this EP. I mean How many puddle jumpers are they going to demolish? There is only so many right?

2ed why even find a zpm if it is not going to work in atlantis anyways. That really pissed me off.

3erd Those people of that planet are so stupid, I mean sacraficing theirselves. In my opinion a stupid plot.

well I will rewatch and maybe I missed part of the story but for now I did NOT like the ep so far but maybe that will change.


Ok I have to apologize, I am watching again and in the last 30 minutes I have noticed I missed ALOT of ther show the first time around and was wrong with my opinions and asumptions. So far with rewatching the show it is ok, not the best but O>K> I like the chocholate is huge part but did not like the fact that the zp, could be used to power Atlantis shields for a very long time and or call Earth and so on. I would like to see Atlantis call and report to Earth that they are O.K. but I doubt that will happen. Forgive my typing as I am tired.


and yes he did say ZEDPM.....LOL sorry I am not making fun, it just sounds weird to me.

crazylinguist
August 13th, 2004, 08:41 PM
I'd also like to know why the builders of the device didn't make whatever change McKay made to expand the field. I mean, if McKay can think up and implement the idea, why not one of the Ancients? ;)

I was wondering about this too. Didn't they say that the ZPM was powered by the magnetic field of the planet (or something like that) so that it would run for centuries? I think what MaKay did was make it so the shield would cover a larger distance but only for a short period of time. (He told the one kid that he would hopefully have grandkids by the time the shields went down).

greytop
August 13th, 2004, 08:47 PM
The one kid that was sent after McKay and ran back to tell them the device worked again seemed familar. Anyone else reconginze him?
He was in 100 Days, Stargate SG-1. I forget the actor name but it is on the tip of my tounge.

ShadowMaat
August 13th, 2004, 08:48 PM
I was wondering about this too. Didn't they say that the ZPM was powered by the magnetic field of the planet (or something like that) so that it would run for centuries? I think what MaKay did was make it so the shield would cover a larger distance but only for a short period of time. (He told the one kid that he would hopefully have grandkids by the time the shields went down).
I suppose at the time the people were more interested in how long it would work than in how much area it would cover, but unless they dumped the device and ran, wouldn't it make sense to keep working on the shield and see if you could find loopholes so maybe you could get time AND area configured?

crazylinguist
August 13th, 2004, 08:54 PM
I suppose at the time the people were more interested in how long it would work than in how much area it would cover, but unless they dumped the device and ran, wouldn't it make sense to keep working on the shield and see if you could find loopholes so maybe you could get time AND area configured?

It would make sense. They didn't really explain anything about the people who left the shield did they?

ShadowMaat
August 13th, 2004, 09:03 PM
It would make sense. They didn't really explain anything about the people who left the shield did they?
The answer will be "plague". It's always plague where the Ancients are concerned. :P

Cydonia
August 13th, 2004, 09:21 PM
I initially thought that their method of population control was pretty stupid. But then I realized that dying as an adult once you've "lived your life" is far more acceptable than any other method of population control in a low/non-tech society (China's forced abortions, for example). And if they've been doing that for 500 years, then it's their way of life and it seems they insured people wouldn't ever successfully question it.

Good episode... McKay seemed a bit too mellow the past couple eps and it was good to see him get on his holier (or more advanced) than thou kick - and to see him knocked down from it.

Teyla's character felt more real as well and of course Ford was way better with the kids than McKay - he's younger ;) (joking... I'm old myself)

Sheppard showed a bit of recklessness by allowing McKay to even consider taking the device and it was good to see that he's not perfect either.

All in all, I like it a lot, even though I missed seeing Beckett. :p

Dragonlor
August 13th, 2004, 09:30 PM
McKay picking a fight with a little kid. I bet he still would have lost. :eek:

ShadowMaat
August 13th, 2004, 09:32 PM
I was waiting for the kids to play with the device and figure out the correct sequence, thus proving that they ARE smarter than McKay! ;)

Well, not really, but it would have been funny to see MKay try and deal with that. "Lucky guess! That's all!" :D

Shipperahoy
August 13th, 2004, 10:25 PM
I really liked this episode. Any episode where I'm laughing outright more than once is a good one. Have I said how much I LOVE McKay. Those kids were great. I can tell why he only had a cat to leave behind when he left for Atlantis. I was kind of hoping the fist fight between McKay and that kid had played out. Something tells me McKay might not have come out on top. I like Ford more and more every episode and I really enjoyed Courtnay (happy David?) Stevens performance. I'll happily watch this episode over again.

Xevallah
August 13th, 2004, 10:29 PM
I actually find it a little difficult to believe that they would give up that ritual as easily as implied. As far as these people are concerned, the lives of every person on the planet depends upon The Sacrifice. Then some guy comes along and says, "Oh, you know that ritual thing? Yeah, actually, we don't have to do that anymore."

I'd also like to know why the builders of the device didn't make whatever change McKay made to expand the field. I mean, if McKay can think up and implement the idea, why not one of the Ancients? ;)
The Ancients were long dead 500 years ago. It seems the people reached a technological point that the Wraith came. By the time all of their cities had been destroyed, they had figured out how to adapt a scavanged ZPM (probably half depleted considering it only has a small percentage of juice left after 500 years of a relatively simple task....compared to running an entire city.) to do that thing it did.

Over all it was a good episode. I didnt really buy how easily they decided to abandon there faith in the rituals. Would be a nice followup where some tribes seperate from the others and continue the old ways.

vfxsoup
August 13th, 2004, 10:35 PM
I loved the comments about the bows and arrows... many of them were entirely CGI for scene specific safety reasons. Did you guys like the tree house village shot? That one was quite tricky, again, all CGI. We spent a lot of time adding CGI people up there to give it some life (notice the rope bridge is swinging?). I could carry on and on about what else was CGI in the show, but then I'd be letting you guys in on too much!

Keep watching, we've got more great stuff in store!

Mark Breakspear
Visual Effects Supervisor
Atlantis

Buzz Lightyear
August 13th, 2004, 10:41 PM
Awww.

We didn't get a ZPM :(

Well, getting one by episode 6 in season 1 would be a bit too easy, don't you think?

Bobthespirit
August 13th, 2004, 10:44 PM
Okay...I'm sorry, but I'm so sick of these 'primitive planets with some silly ritual custom' episodes. Especially when it's a premise they did unsuccessfully in TNG.

Well, this one was better than TNG's try at it, simply due to absence of Lwaxana Troi, but this entire episode, though it had some entertaining Shepherd/McKay moments, just felt like 'been there, done that.' Just another Learning Curve/Brief Candle/Broca Divide/etc/etc type episode with the same ending.

Bobthespirit
August 13th, 2004, 10:49 PM
Oh, and on these planets it's always one of two things.

A) Leader guy is nice, second in command guy is mean.

B) Leader guy is mean, the first guy they meet is nice and eventually overcomes his personal demons to 'do the right thing'.

This one was "A". This episode just seemed really 'by the numbers' to me.

stargateatlantean
August 13th, 2004, 10:51 PM
I registered just to say that this might be the WORST EPISODE...EVER. Not just for "Atlantis", which I love, but for the SG1 universe. How bad is this episode? It STUNK.

Normally you expect writers to run out of ideas and start cribbing plots from what they saw the week they "came up" with said bad ideas, but man, it's only episode 6! And the writers are already cribbing that funny, so, so funny "Southpark" episode where the kids took over the town, and those two adults found them wearing Mad Mad gears and whatnot. Of course that episode was cribbing "Children of the Corn", but they admitted it.

And now "Atlantis", just 6 episodes into a new show, is already stealing wacky ideas off "Southpark"!!! Oh dear.

My nitpicks:
- I love how the kids basically boss Sheppard around. Remember when he shot that Wraith arm? Two kids run up, grab him, and basically threw him to the ground on his knees. Too funny.
- Someone please tell whoever played that "evil kid" to go back to acting school. Geez. Can you overplay the bad guy enough? How about some subtlety, kid? Of course you can't blame it all on the kid, since he's just doing what the silly script said.

Well, that's about it. This episode was just too dumb for me to continue wasting my time on it, so I'll stop.

My grade, out of 5, I give this episode NEGATIVE FIVE.

stargateatlantean
August 13th, 2004, 10:55 PM
I loved the comments about the bows and arrows... many of them were entirely CGI for scene specific safety reasons. Did you guys like the tree house village shot? That one was quite tricky, again, all CGI. We spent a lot of time adding CGI people up there to give it some life (notice the rope bridge is swinging?). I could carry on and on about what else was CGI in the show, but then I'd be letting you guys in on too much!

Keep watching, we've got more great stuff in store!

Mark Breakspear
Visual Effects Supervisor
Atlantis

Hey, Mark, that treehouse was great. I actually thought it was an actual prop until you said it was CGI!! But although that treehouse was great, that flying blue orb -- er, probe -- was less than convincing. Also, was it me, or was the bluescreen effect showing the "outside" of the puddle jumper as it was crashing, er, blurring???

DJFavorite
August 13th, 2004, 10:58 PM
I really like this episode.


I think the issue of SGA taking ZPM's is going to be a good plot line. They just touched on the issues of taking things in this episode. I hope that TPTB will expand on the issue in the future. Next time, there might not be such a 'happy ending' to the story.

Buzz Lightyear
August 13th, 2004, 11:00 PM
I actually find it a little difficult to believe that they would give up that ritual as easily as implied. As far as these people are concerned, the lives of every person on the planet depends upon The Sacrifice. Then some guy comes along and says, "Oh, you know that ritual thing? Yeah, actually, we don't have to do that anymore."

Yes, I agree. The elders' acquiescence to dumping their centuries old sacred ritual seems a tad rushed. And all because of a "wild story about a magic shield" brought by complete strangers.


I'd also like to know why the builders of the device didn't make whatever change McKay made to expand the field. I mean, if McKay can think up and implement the idea, why not one of the Ancients? ;)

Two considerations:

1. We don't know the builders of the device were Ancients. They could have simply recognized the benefits of a ZPM and designed a device to harness its power.

2. The device builders (whether Ancients or not) might have known how to expand the field but, knowing the ZPM had limited energy, opted for maintaining a certain size for a longer time frame. McKay's adjustment likely means the increase in field coverage will drain the ZPM sooner.

watcher652
August 13th, 2004, 11:43 PM
Well, this one was better than TNG's try at it, simply due to absence of Lwaxana Troi
I was going to cite the TNG episode myself, but you beat me to it.

I was a little confused at McKay's attitude switch. First he asks to Teyla how can they force these people to change their rituals after being there only a little over an hour. Then he tells Weir that the people can be moved to Atlantis if they it turns out Atlantis can use the ZPM. Then Weir has to remind Rodney that they can't go around uprooting people all over the place and changing their way of life. I guess Rodney's desire for the ZPM outweighed his better judgement.

Personally, I think McKay says Zed PM once to irk Sheppard then goes back to saying ZPM.

Teyla shows good judgement but is ignored (uh, maybe we shouldn't take away their only defense, especially without asking?)

I don't get why Sheppard didn't explain why he had to destroy the Wraith bracelet, and that it was a good thing for him to do that.

I enjoyed how Ford made McKay deal with the kids before rescuing him.

It was nice that McKay got those kids under cover before his last try at fixing the shield.

Ares sure got the village on his side quick. Didn't anyone want to side with Keras? BTW, I thought the actor, Courtenay Stevens, was excellent.

I recognized the female elder of the other village, Julie Patzwald, as someone I'd seen on The Dead Zone ("Enemy Mind").

I thought it was a good stand alone episode.

watcher652
August 13th, 2004, 11:49 PM
Did you guys like the tree house village shot? That one was quite tricky, again, all CGI. We spent a lot of time adding CGI people up there to give it some life (notice the rope bridge is swinging?). I could carry on and on about what else was CGI in the show, but then I'd be letting you guys in on too much!

Keep watching, we've got more great stuff in store!

Mark Breakspear
Visual Effects Supervisor
Atlantis
Aw, come, just a little more?

I will have to admit I did think for a split second that the tree houses were real. Then I thought, nah, that would be too much money and time just for the look of it. It went by so fast, too, I didn't get a chance to appreciate it. I'll have to go back and check it out again.

HIj'Qa
August 14th, 2004, 12:25 AM
No Beckett, no Grodin. Boo.

Wouldn't the puddle jumper just fall from the sky like a stone if it lost power? It's not aerodynamic that Shep could do any gliding maneuvers. And, set design wise, it just skids a few feet, completely missing the trees. :rolleyes:
The bit of fake foliage covering the zpm was tacky, too. Ohh, we have to discover it and uncover it slowly wth wonder, even though it is in complete shade with nothing growing around it.

McKay and kids were great. Ford and kids were good, too. Considering I don;t like kids, and the age of these ones for acting ability. They are keeping McKay's character consistantly annoying.

I thought Weir was well used in this ep, for advice and procedure issues.
No Beckett, no Grodin. Boo, again.

The Elder gets shot in the chest, and then his arm is in a sling?!?!?!? :eek:

Beckett next week :D
Hopefully Grodin, too.

morjana
August 14th, 2004, 12:26 AM
SciFi Channel has updated the "Stargate SG-1" and "Stargate Atlantis" sites with episode synopses, photos, sound bites, and video clips for this week:


STARGATE SG-1

Episode synopsis for "Avatar," four photos

http://www.scifi.com/stargate/episodes/season8/0806/

and a Teal'c sound bite on…His Favorite Videogame

http://www.scifi.com/stargate/episodes/season8/0806/tealc_clip.html

Download preview video clip of "Affinity":

http://www.scifi.com/stargate/teaser/index.html



STARGATE ATLANTIS

Episode synopsis for "Childhood's End," plus four photos

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/season1/episode106/

Download teaser clip for "Childhood's End":

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/season1/episode106/video_clip.html

DID YOU KNOW?

Wraith pilots routinely wear a bracelet that serves as a homing beacon. Upon activation, it silently pulses and grows red, transmitting its location through space — though not subspace, meaning its signals cannot transmit through a Stargate. McKay has speculated that there are relay devices on certain planets that pick up the transmission and alert the nearest Wraith ship.

Download teaser for "Poisoning the Well":

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/video/teaser.html

In the "Aliens" section, the fourth entry in the Wraith Journal:

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/aliens/



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Morjana

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http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/SG1-Spoilergate/

Richard Dean Anderson Fans
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/rdandersonfans/

Elwe Singollo
August 14th, 2004, 12:29 AM
No Beckett, no Grodin. Boo.

Wouldn't the puddle jumper just fall from the sky like a stone if it lost power? It's not aerodynamic that Shep could do any gliding maneuvers. And, set design wise, it just skids a few feet, completely missing the trees. :rolleyes:
The bit of fake foliage covering the zpm was tacky, too. Ohh, we have to discover it and uncover it slowly wth wonder, even though it is in complete shade with nothing growing around it.

McKay and kids were great. Ford and kids were good, too. Considering I don;t like kids, and the age of these ones for acting ability. They are keeping McKay's character consistantly annoying.

I thought Weir was well used in this ep, for advice and procedure issues.
No Beckett, no Grodin. Boo, again.

The Elder gets shot in the chest, and then his arm is in a sling?!?!?!? :eek:

Beckett next week :D
Hopefully Grodin, too.I thought Weir was like in one scene, wasn't she? or mabye 2... Yah, whatever, haha... I guess she didn't really have much things to add to this episode, other than what you said, advise and explanation and blah blah blah.

IWantToBelieve
August 14th, 2004, 03:40 AM
I thought the kid who ran back to tell Aries the device worked was the kid from The Light, can't remember his name.

Anyway, I liked the episode. It was a good plot, the team had some good interaction, and McKay with kids was hilarious!

There hasn't been an episode I haven't liked at this point.

Orce
August 14th, 2004, 04:12 AM
From now on, my favorite word is wonky. lol. Loved the episode. Also loved that Ford seemed more comfortable in this episode than in some past episodes.

dpgiffin
August 14th, 2004, 04:30 AM
Not a great episode, but not bad either.

All my opinions have been summed up so far, but my favorite line was:


It's normally plug and play... This thing must be using an old version of Windows.

IWantToBelieve
August 14th, 2004, 05:02 AM
Wanted to add that I thought the treehouse was real LOL!

keshou
August 14th, 2004, 05:40 AM
McKay + kids = Saving the episode. :)

I enjoyed this one, mainly because of the very funny stuff between McKay and the kids. Ford was pretty cool as well. Chocolate would seem to be their best weapon. :) Hope they brought a lot of it to Atlantis!

This was probably the first episode I've seen where I really didn't think much of Shep and his command decisions. Teyla.....she really is kind of a voice of wisdom but it ends up falling kind of flat at times. I hope she can find a new wig in some secret closet they discover at Atlantis. ;) Great to see Courtnay Stevens again. I always loved Eliot and Mr. Stevens brought a lot of warmth and maturity to this role as well.

The plot itself wasn't that original but it was an entertaining hour and I especially enjoyed the character interaction with McKay, Ford and the kids.

The tree house was CGI?? Cool.

Lucia Tanaka
August 14th, 2004, 06:06 AM
It's normally plug and play... This thing must be using an old version of Windows.



Just when you thought you'd escaped, no. Even in the Pegasus galaxy, Bill Gates rules. *shriek of terror*

*coughs* Or whatever.
~Lucia

ShadowMaat
August 14th, 2004, 06:24 AM
I like Ford more and more every episode and I really enjoyed Courtnay (happy David?) Stevens performance.
It's CortEnAy. :P

Yes, Courtenay was excellent in this ep and I hope we get to see more of the character (and the actor) in future eps.

As for other, general comments, yeppers, McKay and the kiddies were definitely the saving grace of the ep. And the bit at the end where he gets them under cover shows he isn't completely heartless. He's just one of those grownups who completely panics in the presence of kids 'cause he has no idea how to handle the situation. Very cute to watch.

I still think the kiddies should have solved the sequence problem for him. He'd NEVER have been able to live it down. ;)

Oh yeah... and LOVED the "Go to your rooms!" comment. The last defense of adults everywhere... ;)

jyh
August 14th, 2004, 06:32 AM
Question about McKay.... when he took the compass and was looking for the source of the EM field, at one point he stood there with the compass in one hand and the other hand on his neck. It was almost as if he was checking his pulse, but his hand was too far back, on the side of his neck. Was he just striking a dramatic pose? Or was that for a reason that I somehow missed?

Anyway, I did like the episode. I recognized Keras (sp?) right away from Proving Ground, and I also recognised the younger boy (who ran to tell Ares & Keras that the device worked), altho I didn't realize from where until someone mentioned it. I thought Teyla didn't play much of a part in this ep, except to try to counter most of what Sheppard said (some rightly, some not). I also noticed the similrity w/ the ST:TNG episode with the same general premise, but it's not like that episode was run so recently everyone would remember it (gee, I must be old!).

ShadowMaat
August 14th, 2004, 06:36 AM
Question about McKay.... when he took the compass and was looking for the source of the EM field, at one point he stood there with the compass in one hand and the other hand on his neck. It was almost as if he was checking his pulse, but his hand was too far back, on the side of his neck. Was he just striking a dramatic pose? Or was that for a reason that I somehow missed?
I figured it was more of a "I have a crick in my neck" kind of thing. Or it was a subconscious move he wasn't really aware of. I don't think there was any serious reason for doing it. Or at least, I didn't read it that way.

keshou
August 14th, 2004, 06:42 AM
It's CortEnAy. :P
Yes, Courtenay was excellent in this ep and I hope we get to see more of the character (and the actor) in future eps.

Ha! I spelled it just like Shipperahoy 'cause she sounded like she knew what she was doing! :p

ShadowMaat
August 14th, 2004, 06:44 AM
Ha! I spelled it just like Shipperahoy 'cause she sounded like she knew what she was doing! :p
Ha! That's what you get for listening to Shipper! :P

Next time, listen to David. He may be a turkey*, but he knows how to spell. Usually... :P

On topic: Really liked Cortenay's hair in this ep. Short and spikey- just the way I like it. :D




*And I mean "turkey" in the nicest possible way. Heck, some of my best friends are turkeys! :P

HIj'Qa
August 14th, 2004, 08:00 AM
I figured it was more of a "I have a crick in my neck" kind of thing. Or it was a subconscious move he wasn't really aware of. I don't think there was any serious reason for doing it. Or at least, I didn't read it that way.

Made me think of plexing, a technique Deanna Troi employed, tapping some vein in the neck to calm yourself. Dunno for sure

MajShep
August 14th, 2004, 08:08 AM
Not too bad of a episode. Loved the McKay/kids scenes - too funny! Some things reminded me a little too much of Peter Pan, though. Thought a little harshly about McKay wanting to take the ZPM, but since the electromagnetic field had been operating for so long, the planet probably had a Bermuda Triangle type myth surrounding it for the Wraith (go there and you never come back), which might have continued to protect it (at least for a while) if it hadn't been for the Wraith transmitter.

pv2b
August 14th, 2004, 08:25 AM
[QUOTE=MajShepThought a little harshly about McKay wanting to take the ZPM, but since the electromagnetic field had been operating for so long, the planet probably had a Bermuda Triangle type myth surrounding it for the Wraith (go there and you never come back), which might have continued to protect it (at least for a while) if it hadn't been for the Wraith transmitter.[/QUOTE]

Ah, yes, that worked well for the people of Cimmeria.

Col.Mike
August 14th, 2004, 11:51 AM
This episode was very "Stargatey" with most of the show taking place away from Atlantis (off world), which is a nice change of pace. The plot could of been better but overall not to bad an episode. I loved watching Mckay with those two kids. :)

Major Fischer
August 14th, 2004, 12:39 PM
Eh...

That was about my feeling on the episode. Not bad. Not great. Somewhere about the same level of Hide and Seek. Not a big fan of kids, so the episode just didn't do much for me. Couple of comments...

The Treehouses: The CGI is very nicely done, I thought they were real while I was watching the episode and pretty seemless, which is, I suppose, what good CGI is supposed to do. Nice job folks, can't complain.

The Characters:

Sheppard: I generally like Sheppard, but like the episode in general, I was just...eh.

McKay: Liked a lot of lines of his, and his character is developing nicely. I felt a little sympathy for him, but I'm also the kind of adult who would tell the kids to "go to your rooms."

Ford: They're still not doing a great job of giving him, gravetas... depth, so far he could be a replacable lieutenant of the week. Just not feeling him.

Teyla: She was less annoying to me in this episode, but it seemed like everyone else pretty much ignored her... odd.

Weir: I think they're getting a better feel for what her role should be, and how to use her. What little of her in this episode seemed pretty good. The scenes with her and McKay were about the only ones I wasn't eh about, but than, they were also the only ones without kids.

Just my week for Stargate eps...

DarkQuee1
August 14th, 2004, 01:23 PM
Fairly...dull. There was nothing here really intense or particularly interesting. Or new.

One thing that especially annoyed me: they had the potential for a thorny moral issue and they blew it. We(meaning Earth expatriates) need a ZPM to power the city and/or get home. They (meaning inhabitants of the planet) need it to power the shield. It could have been a real *choice* for the Earthers: their needs vs. the inhabitants, and what we have the right to do to survive.

Instead, they make the ZPM useless for us--moral dilemma now goes away. We can't use it, so we no longer have to make the choice.

Very bad drama. Or rather, no drama at all.

And did I miss it? Did they ever explain exactly *who* built the shield? The ZPM is Ancient tech, but if the Ancients had the shield technology, then they should have been able to fend off the Wraith, which they apparently couldn't. So, who were the people who did it? The inhabitants' ancestors? Is there anything on this planet to suggest that 500 years ago, they were that advanced? Not that I could see.

And I think that learning how to build the shield is even more important for "our guys" than getting the ZPM. A power source is useless if nothing in the city can fend off the Wraith (except for escaping through the gate).


J.

Livi2Jack
August 14th, 2004, 04:09 PM
Speaking of those bows, did those crossbows look exactly like the ones from Double Jeopardy? :o
And did you notice the plywood was cut on the wrong plane to make the bows even more unusuable?

watcher652
August 14th, 2004, 04:42 PM
Question about McKay.... when he took the compass and was looking for the source of the EM field, at one point he stood there with the compass in one hand and the other hand on his neck. It was almost as if he was checking his pulse, but his hand was too far back, on the side of his neck. Was he just striking a dramatic pose? Or was that for a reason that I somehow missed?
When I saw that clip during the opening credits, I first thought he was holding a jacket over his shoulder with his finger, you know the look. Then I thought, why would he be doing that? So then thought he was just rubbing his neck, maybe in puzzlement or frustration, given the look he has on his face. Kind of a "Now What?" move. Maybe his neck still hurt from being banged around in the puddle jumper and then having to hold his head down to stare at the compass.

I did like how McKay first was thought the compass was stupid then grabs it out of Ford's hand when he realizes what was making the compass wonky.

Here's something so trivial I don't know why I'm even thinking about it. I'm trying to figure out when the crew uses first names, titles or last names. McKay has said both Dr. Weir and Elizabeth at different times, I think. It just struck me when he ws coming up the stairs to talk to her about the ZPM, because I was expecting him to call her Elizabeth, but he called her Dr. Weir instead. Maybe because he was talking to her in an official way. Or maybe I'm just wrong and he's never called her Elizabeth to her face? Sheppard has said both Rodney and McKay. Weir has said both Rodney and McKay. Weir and McKay are both "civilians". Sheppard and Ford are either addressed by their rank, their last names, or rank/last names. Of course, Teyla is just Teyla.

ShadowMaat
August 14th, 2004, 04:50 PM
When I saw that clip during the opening credits, I first thought he was holding a jacket over his shoulder with his finger, you know the look.
There IS one point when he does that. His jacket or his backpack. After the confrontation with the kidlets he snatches up his pack (or jacket) and stalks off and he has it hooked over his shoulder.

As for the names thing... no clue. Could depend on individual mood or- as you said- "officialness". ;)

KorbenDirewolf
August 14th, 2004, 04:52 PM
I think I may have missed something. Did McKay park the PJ far enough away so that after he extended the shield it would still be outside of the shield?

ShadowMaat
August 14th, 2004, 04:55 PM
I think I may have missed something. Did McKay park the PJ far enough away so that after he extended the shield it would still be outside of the shield?
Yes, he made a point of relaying that info to Shep when he and Ford returned.

I wonder if the Wraith would still send a ship or something to check things out...

Jwizzman
August 14th, 2004, 04:56 PM
I thought this episode was avarage on it's own and the worst of the 6 eps shown 'till now, great series...I hope it lasts a long long time

KorbenDirewolf
August 14th, 2004, 05:00 PM
Yes, he made a point of relaying that info to Shep when he and Ford returned.

I remember McKay radioing that he had parked outside of the shield, but I can't seem to remember him saying anything about extending it until the very end of the show. Probably just I missed it. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess that wasn't the great big plot hole I thought it was.

ShadowMaat
August 14th, 2004, 05:05 PM
I remember McKay radioing that he had parked outside of the shield, but I can't seem to remember him saying anything about extending it until the very end of the show. Probably just I missed it. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess that wasn't the great big plot hole I thought it was.
Ohhh yeah, THAT bit. Hmmm. May be a plot hole after all, unless he parked REALLY far away. I just can't imagine McKay volunteering for extra hiking. ;)

KorbenDirewolf
August 14th, 2004, 05:14 PM
Maybe it was... Guess I'll have to watch it again to be sure. ;)

Ah well, at least this time around McKay didn't annoy the crap out of me. Must be getting used to him. Although I was halfway expecting the kids to sing a little tune that just happened to be the order needed to activate the device. It did seem that each button had its own tone.

Teal'c
August 14th, 2004, 05:43 PM
I loved the comments about the bows and arrows... many of them were entirely CGI for scene specific safety reasons. Did you guys like the tree house village shot? That one was quite tricky, again, all CGI. We spent a lot of time adding CGI people up there to give it some life (notice the rope bridge is swinging?). I could carry on and on about what else was CGI in the show, but then I'd be letting you guys in on too much!

Keep watching, we've got more great stuff in store!

Mark Breakspear
Visual Effects Supervisor
Atlantis
Well, you asked about what people thought of your work a few months back, so I'll talk about this episode.

The treehouse: I never thought for a minute it was CGI. All I thought was "Hmm... the park guys would let them build that?" :P

The Puddle Jumper crash: There was something off with it. The scenary on the green/blue screen just didn't look right, it was a bit shakey (I know the ship was shaking, just something about it though :P)

The Wraith probe: Again something seemed off about it and I can't tell why.

Anyway, I hope you can take constructive criticism. I've loved the CGI in the show. The Wraith stunners are a particular favourite of mine (McKay getting shot in the face :D)

Okay, so the episode now.

McKay... brilliant, just brilliant. I loved the bit about Sam during the teaser :P And the little kids. And Ford is getting better and better every episode :D

The only thing I didn't like was Ares. Both the character and the actor. It was just the way he dealt with things, and the fact that nobody tried to shoot him down about it. And unfortunately the actor (didn't catch his name) was a tad... I dunno, stiff maybe, or maybe he just reminded me of Joaquin Phoenix (sp?) :P

Overall, great ep.

Faith
August 14th, 2004, 05:53 PM
I loved the comments about the bows and arrows... many of them were entirely CGI for scene specific safety reasons. Did you guys like the tree house village shot? That one was quite tricky, again, all CGI. We spent a lot of time adding CGI people up there to give it some life (notice the rope bridge is swinging?). I could carry on and on about what else was CGI in the show, but then I'd be letting you guys in on too much!

Keep watching, we've got more great stuff in store!

Mark Breakspear
Visual Effects Supervisor
Atlantis

It's nice to know people from the show read these boards! You guys do a great job! I loved the tree house village shot. Keep up the good work. :)

Livi2Jack
August 14th, 2004, 06:36 PM
Wasn't one of the older boys with the bow who went back for McKay the same kid from 100 days who was Laira's son?


And I think it is unrealistic to believe that a society of such deeply held beliefs would abandon them in one day to stop the sacrifices.

IWantToBelieve
August 14th, 2004, 06:39 PM
McKay was holding his backpack, he picks it up right before, he's got it by two fingers over his shoulder. I thought he was checking his pulse when I saw it for the first time also.

KorbenDirewolf
August 14th, 2004, 06:45 PM
No more unbelievable than the fact that they didn't just kill the Full Growns when they appeared.

Hooni
August 14th, 2004, 06:46 PM
You would think a society that could build an electromagnetic sheild could also invent a condom for population control. ;) Sacrificing is a bit of an extreme solution, don't you think?

The way I read into the ending, they had suspended the sacrifices until they could meet and revise. It never said they had permanently done away with them.

Otherwise, I liked the episode. It won't be my favorite of all time but it was solid. I had to sympathise with Rodney on the kids. LOL Who hasn't resisted the temptation to go "McKay" on a particularly questioning kid? ;) Funny stuff to see how truely out of his depth he was with them.

greytop
August 14th, 2004, 07:58 PM
Wasn't one of the older boys with the bow who went back for McKay the same kid from 100 days who was Laira's son?
Yes, it is him.

Summerfield
August 14th, 2004, 08:17 PM
Knowing now that the treehouses were CGI, I must say "wow!"

But, when I saw them, was I the only one to think "are we in Never Never Land now?"

And then think it was almost creepy enough to justify a Michael Jackson apearance? :)

And the Wraith used a probe! Already smater than the Gua'uld.

Buzz Lightyear
August 14th, 2004, 08:48 PM
Wouldn't the puddle jumper just fall from the sky like a stone if it lost power? It's not aerodynamic that Shep could do any gliding maneuvers. And, set design wise, it just skids a few feet, completely missing the trees. :rolleyes:


I presume the jumper is constructed of some advanced Ancient alloy that allows it to decelerate slowly when falling out of the sky due to an engine power drive failure. Yeah, that's the reason... :cool:



The Elder gets shot in the chest, and then his arm is in a sling?!?!?!? :eek:

The arrow hit him in his right upper chest area - basically his pectoral muscle. He wears a sling because the weight of his right arm would drag on that injured pectoral area. Of course, we're also assuming that the arrow only caused a superficial wound and did not go deep enough to puncture his right lung.

Buzz Lightyear
August 14th, 2004, 09:12 PM
Here's something so trivial I don't know why I'm even thinking about it. I'm trying to figure out when the crew uses first names, titles or last names. McKay has said both Dr. Weir and Elizabeth at different times, I think. It just struck me when he ws coming up the stairs to talk to her about the ZPM, because I was expecting him to call her Elizabeth, but he called her Dr. Weir instead. Maybe because he was talking to her in an official way. Or maybe I'm just wrong and he's never called her Elizabeth to her face? Sheppard has said both Rodney and McKay. Weir has said both Rodney and McKay. Weir and McKay are both "civilians". Sheppard and Ford are either addressed by their rank, their last names, or rank/last names. Of course, Teyla is just Teyla.

Titles and honorifics are used out of respect, especially in front of co-workers. In less public encounters or less formal occasions, civilians who are generally friendly with each other will sometimes use first names. Military personnel are almost always addressed by rank, even in less formal settings, unless one has a close personal relationship with that person.

vfxsoup
August 14th, 2004, 10:57 PM
Thank you all for the comments regarding the visual effects, it's great hear feedback from all you guys, and don't worry... I'm pretty thick skinned after a good many years as a compositor, having my work torn to shreads by various clients! Bring it on! You'll all have a lot to comment on coming up... ;)

I realised a long time ago that these aren't "my" pixels, they are yours.

Mark Breakspear
VFX Supervisor
Atlantis

jyh
August 15th, 2004, 04:31 AM
About the treehouses... I only saw the ep once and I didn't really notice much about the treehouses one way or another (i.e., real or CGI). Which I guess is a GOOD thing, huh???

Anyway, one person said they reminded him/her of Never-Never Land, but it sort of reminded me of the Elf kingdom, Lothlorien, from "Fellowship of the Rings."

Also, I noticed everyone climbed the rope swings from the side, sort of, rather that straight on like a ladder. An easier way to get a good foothold, maybe??

Ugly Pig
August 15th, 2004, 06:09 AM
Without further ado (mainly because I spent all of my ado in my 'Avatar' post), here is


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Childhood's End'

Yay, finally we get a "normal" mission-through-the-gate episode on Atlantis! I would've thought we'd see more of these this early in the series, but I guess not. Not that I'm complaining, I like arc-based episodes and I've enjoyed what Atlantis has served so far.

So... we find a ZPM and it's nearly depleted. How come we keep finding these useless ZPMs? It's been, what, two weeks since it happened on SG-1? Anyhow, this was a fun episode. Loved McKay in this one, from his bragging about his relationship with Sam (I think we all knew this was coming sooner or later) to him being tormented by those two kids. And then when he told those guys pointing their weapons at him, "Go to your rooms!"... Heh heh. Good stuff. Also liked Ford referring to him as "that mean old man". :D

But I hated that guy - forgot his name - who was so set on forcing them to leave. I mean, when Sheppard shot the Wraith thingie and he freaked out! Hello?! How about at least allowing him to explain why he did it? No, I'm sure he did it for no reason whatsoever. Idiot. And then - killing them? Even using his own logic, that's not a better way of stopping the impending Wraith attack than letting them go. For a while there, I was hoping he'd get killed by the end of the episode. But then at the end, when everything seemed to get worked out, I was kind of glad he didn't after all. Guess my anger at him faded when it looked like he realized what an a-hole he'd been. I wonder what happened to him after that? He dissappeared after the scene where Lt. Elliot (sorry, I don't remember his characters name here) got shot. By the way, the re-use of the actor didn't bother me in the least. He wasn't really all that recognizeable, unlike Narim.

Random observations!
- The Wraith didn't appear in this episode, unlike what last week's preview would lead us to believe. No surprise, it looked like that shot of the Wraith was taken from 'Suspicion' anyway.
- Is this the first episode with no Dr. Beckett?
- This is the first episode with no Halling. I wonder how long it will be before we see him and the other Athosians again? Not that I miss them or anything.
- So they use the Puddle Jumper even if the Stargate is on the ground? Well, I guess it makes sense. It's a much more efficient way of exploring the planet than on foot...
- McKay acts condescending towards religion. No big surprise, it fits his character.
- Weir played her smallest part yet in this episode. And she was the one who provided the "moral" viewpoint this time.

And now, to wait for next week...

Liv
August 15th, 2004, 06:23 AM
A bit OT here, but I really enjoy and look forward to your (exact opposite) of useless opinions on the episodes, Piggy.

And to make this post a bit on-topic as well, yes I believe this was the first episode without Dr. Beckett. Too bad. I like him. That scottish accent is very becoming.

aAnubiSs
August 15th, 2004, 06:55 AM
its always good with useless opinions

jantreeuk1
August 15th, 2004, 08:13 AM
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Personally, I think McKay says Zed PM once to irk Sheppard then goes back to saying ZPM.



Not being picky but this is bugging me - after 5 watches I still don't think that McKay ever uses ZEE PEE EM, so can you tell me when he does? Anyhow as a Londoner I would quite happilly use the term ZEE PEE EM if everyone else around me was using that term, it would become part of the dictionary like OK is around the World.
jan t

Grumpyguy
August 15th, 2004, 01:29 PM
I was fairly underwhelmed by this episode. Couple things bothered me:
1. The recycling of actors is getting to be a little too much. I know the talent pool in Canada is smaller compared to Hollyweird, but the guy last night was a major character in an SG-1 episode.
2. What is the focus of this show supposed to be? So far, while it is supposed to be in another galaxy, it just seems a rehash of SG-1.

Shouldn't there be more emphasis on exploring the the city? Investigating Ancient technology? Learning about their history? Or maybe going through the mission logs of the ancients and trying to see if there might be some lost Ancient colonies in the Pegasus Galaxy? So far, there seems to be more meaningless meandering than purposeful traveling.

The above doesn't mean I'll stop watching or that I hate the show, I was just hoping that Atlantis would differentiate itself from SG-1 just a little more.

Wyrminarrd
August 15th, 2004, 01:40 PM
This is the dullest Atlantis show to date IMO.

ShadowMaat
August 15th, 2004, 01:42 PM
I thought of the Swiss Family Robinson. Or possibly the Ewok village. That Robin Williams movie was too stupid to imprint on my brain much, fortunately. :P

jayeffaar
August 15th, 2004, 02:00 PM
Personally, I think McKay says Zed PM once to irk Sheppard then goes back to saying ZPM.

LOL. Do you realise that a non-american would read what you wrote as "McKay says Zed PM once to irk Sheppard then goes back to saying Zed PM"? Of course, you mean he went back to saying "Zee PM"... :)

TechnoBoY
August 15th, 2004, 02:16 PM
I thought the kid who ran back to tell Aries the device worked was the kid from The Light, can't remember his name.

Yah, I noticed too. His name was Loren when he was in The Light. Which reminds me. What happened to Loren? Didnt he come to live at the SGC just like Nyan?

I didnt notice the kid from 100 Days though. Maybe I just havent watched that episode enough.

I thought the ep was okay. Loved the little kids and the chocolate!

KorbenDirewolf
August 15th, 2004, 03:48 PM
- Is this the first episode with no Dr. Beckett?


Can't say that I noticed him or Grodin for that matter, but both of them got credits

Ancient 1
August 15th, 2004, 04:28 PM
McKay should've been known better than to take something that wasn't his. Was he just gonna rationalize that the Atlantis team needed it more than the kids? He should've thought it through, imo. Some possible questions? "Why is this zpm here?" Or, "does the zpm provide some necessary value to the inhabitants?" But, the story wouldn't be going in the current direction...
IMO, the SGA team is never going to find a ZPM that isn't in use by peoples who need it more than they do, or that are not used up, burnt out, damaged, etc.

That is until it's time to end the series by bringing them back.

Unless it *sob* would get canceled.

GateWorld
August 15th, 2004, 10:07 PM
No, the kid near the end who saw the probe go down and ran to tell Ares about it was Shane Meier, the actor who played Garan in "A Hundred Days."

Kristian Ayre played Loren in "The Light," and he wasn't in this episode. They do look a little alike, though ...

Darren

rihannsu
August 17th, 2004, 07:43 AM
Re: the Treehouses- I knew that they were probably just CGI. Practically, speaking, I didn't know how the set crew could afford the time and money to construct them. But STILL, they looked so darn real that I was duly impressed! :D *BIG claps to the set folks*

Re: Mc Kay and the kids- When I hit adulthood, I used to worry that I would be a sucky parent. When I see people like Mc Kay who are truly ill at ease with kids, it makes me feel better about my own parenting skills. When he wasn't just being mean and he truly was frustrated, I felt sorry for him.

The little girl tearing up was a classic. As a woman, I almost feel sorry for men when that happens. Almost. ;)

Posherella
August 17th, 2004, 08:28 AM
I'm being bad again because I haven't read the whole thread.

This episode did seem very SG-1 to me although I didn't mind it.

I don't know if anyone else has brought this up, but I was very disturbed about the suicide pact. Who put this pact together? A ZPM was required to make the sheild work, so who constructed the sheild? Did the Ancients do this? Did the Ancients think so little of these people that they didn't think they could tell them the truth as the Atlantis team did?

Regardless of who put the sheild together, these tribes could have been told the truth and then made their own decision on what to do.

It disturbs me greatly to think the Ancients could have orchestrated this. My husband sees no problem with it, but for me, it likens the Ancients to the Goa'uld since they think so little of these people.

ibwolf
August 17th, 2004, 09:04 AM
I'm being bad again because I haven't read the whole thread.

This episode did seem very SG-1 to me although I didn't mind it.

I don't know if anyone else has brought this up, but I was very disturbed about the suicide pact. Who put this pact together? A ZPM was required to make the sheild work, so who constructed the sheild? Did the Ancients do this? Did the Ancients think so little of these people that they didn't think they could tell them the truth as the Atlantis team did?

Regardless of who put the sheild together, these tribes could have been told the truth and then made their own decision on what to do.

It disturbs me greatly to think the Ancients could have orchestrated this. My husband sees no problem with it, but for me, it likens the Ancients to the Goa'uld since they think so little of these people.


I assumed that it was the ancestors of those people that built the shield, most likely with scavanged Ancient tech (at least for power). The whole deal about die peacfully or you wont get into heaven was probably a part of their religion from the get go and the reason for the shield was to give as large a part of the population as possible a chance to live and die peacfully. That's what their belivies led them to.

And things haven't been solved now. The sheild WILL fail, it's just a matter of time.

Major Fischer
August 17th, 2004, 09:31 AM
That was--besides the kids--one of the reasons I didn't really like the episode. It had so many creepy overtones to it that just weren't addressed. It could have very well been the Ancients that instituted the pact. They've shown some very ... odd values before.

greytop
August 17th, 2004, 10:23 AM
Could Keras be a recurring character?
When they were talking about coming back and seeing how they were doing, it seemed to me like he was going to be.

shockwave
August 17th, 2004, 10:33 AM
They also said similar things like that on SG-1, it will happen off-screen. Most likely Keras will never be mentionned again.

chiefchucky
August 17th, 2004, 10:35 AM
This was a very good episode although I liked last weeks episode better. I also had no suspicion whats so ever that the Tree Houses were CGI. Brilliant work!

DarkQuee1
August 17th, 2004, 01:07 PM
I assumed that it was the ancestors of those people that built the shield, most likely with scavanged Ancient tech (at least for power). The whole deal about die peacfully or you wont get into heaven was probably a part of their religion from the get go and the reason for the shield was to give as large a part of the population as possible a chance to live and die peacfully. That's what their belivies led them to.

And things haven't been solved now. The sheild WILL fail, it's just a matter of time.


See, this makes no sense to me. The planet appears to be low-tech; we don't see anything, including ruins, to suggest that there was once a thriving high-tech society here (and you don't need to regress to primitive levels to have a die-at-25 set-up. Look at "Logan's Run."). So, how could they come up with the shield?

And if they cadged it from Ancient technology, then why couldn't the Ancients, who were much more advanced, come up with the same thing?

I'm still not getting much sense from this.

J.

Ugly Pig
August 17th, 2004, 01:18 PM
See, this makes no sense to me. The planet appears to be low-tech; we don't see anything, including ruins, to suggest that there was once a thriving high-tech society here (and you don't need to regress to primitive levels to have a die-at-25 set-up. Look at "Logan's Run.").
That's how it works in the Pegasus galaxy. A culture thrives for hundreds of years, then the wraith come and take most of the population for food, only leaving a few people so that the population can start from scratch and grow again - only for the wraith to come back a few hundred years later and start over.

That's what happened here. And they'd been doing the suicide thing only for 500 years, so it couldn't have been the Ancients who started it.

w1cket01
August 18th, 2004, 09:42 PM
See, this makes no sense to me. The planet appears to be low-tech; we don't see anything, including ruins, to suggest that there was once a thriving high-tech society here (and you don't need to regress to primitive levels to have a die-at-25 set-up. Look at "Logan's Run."). So, how could they come up with the shield?

And if they cadged it from Ancient technology, then why couldn't the Ancients, who were much more advanced, come up with the same thing?

I'm still not getting much sense from this.

J.

I think if the Ancients used the same shield, all their fancy technology wouldn't work either.

ComicDiva
August 19th, 2004, 12:09 AM
Well Childhood's end was interesting, and I even got the shivers when Keras was first explaining the sacrifices. As usual, Mckay was great and his interaction with the kids -> bordering on hilarious, being surpassed only by Ford's line "Do you kids know about chocolate? No!? This is gonna be huge!". Yes, chocolate is indeed a miracle of nature.
:)

Mio
August 19th, 2004, 12:43 AM
I don't know. I just don't find Ford to be that funny. I mean, he's funny, but not funny funny....

Now McKay. That whole 'Why?' 'Because I said so.' argument was hillarious.

aaobuttons
August 19th, 2004, 02:54 AM
One thing that especially annoyed me: they had the potential for a thorny moral issue and they blew it. We(meaning Earth expatriates) need a ZPM to power the city and/or get home. They (meaning inhabitants of the planet) need it to power the shield. It could have been a real *choice* for the Earthers: their needs vs. the inhabitants, and what we have the right to do to survive.

Instead, they make the ZPM useless for us--moral dilemma now goes away. We can't use it, so we no longer have to make the choice.




The ZPM wasn't useless to us. McKay told Weir that there wasn't enough power for long term use, but there was enough for short term like 10 min. of shielding during a Wraith attack (which could be very useful).

DarkQuee1
August 19th, 2004, 05:51 PM
The ZPM wasn't useless to us. McKay told Weir that there wasn't enough power for long term use, but there was enough for short term like 10 min. of shielding during a Wraith attack (which could be very useful).


First, they'd have to figure the shield out and build one. Second, they didn't deal with it that way: they never raised the issue of, maybe we could use it briefly another time, but no, we can't do that to these people. It was just: see, we can't use it anyway, bring it back.

That's sidestepping the issue to me.


J.

DarkQuee1
August 19th, 2004, 05:53 PM
I think if the Ancients used the same shield, all their fancy technology wouldn't work either.

Maybe, but we don't know that for sure. We only know that anything attempting to fly through the shield gets damaged and brought down. We don't know that something already inside the shield won't work (the ZPM itself was functioning, and it was inside the shield).


J.

DarkQuee1
August 19th, 2004, 05:57 PM
That's how it works in the Pegasus galaxy. A culture thrives for hundreds of years, then the wraith come and take most of the population for food, only leaving a few people so that the population can start from scratch and grow again - only for the wraith to come back a few hundred years later and start over.

That's what happened here. And they'd been doing the suicide thing only for 500 years, so it couldn't have been the Ancients who started it.


But I'm not talking about the people. There's no indication that the Wraith take technology, the way the Goa'uld do. If there had been a civilization high-tech enough to devise and build that shield, then were are talking about a peoples who would not be building with mud or daub-and-wattle; they would be using durable materials, at the least stone and most likely metal. Yet, we see nothing to indicate that any such civilization existed. On Teyla's world, the ruins of a higher civilization remained. We have ruins on Earth that are thousands of years old because they were built with durable materials.

There's no way that is such a civilization had existed, there would not be remains. Which brings us back to the question of who built the shield.


J.

Mio
August 19th, 2004, 05:59 PM
First, they'd have to figure the shield out and build one. Second, they didn't deal with it that way: they never raised the issue of, maybe we could use it briefly another time, but no, we can't do that to these people. It was just: see, we can't use it anyway, bring it back.

That's sidestepping the issue to me.


J.

Actually, McKay said it could power the City's shield at full strength for something like an hour.

The City's shield is COMPLETELY different from the EM shield that protected the suicidal kiddy's villages. The City's shield is an actual shield. Blue glow and everything. There is no 'building' involved. It worked when we got there in Rising, but it ran out of power, It just needs new batteries.

The city's shields can probably be turned on by a few buttons in the control room. They were easily able to control nearly all city functions from there. So it stands to reason that 'Shield Control' would be in the control tower.

DarkQuee1
August 19th, 2004, 06:09 PM
Actually, McKay said it could power the City's shield at full strength for something like an hour.

The City's shield is COMPLETELY different from the EM shield that protected the suicidal kiddy's villages. The City's shield is an actual shield. Blue glow and everything. There is no 'building' involved. It worked when we got there in Rising, but it ran out of power, It just needs new batteries.

The city's shields can probably be turned on by a few buttons in the control room. They were easily able to control nearly all city functions from there. So it stands to reason that 'Shield Control' would be in the control tower.


Yes, but that shield won't keep out the Wraith--and the post to which I was responding suggested that the ZPM had value to Atlantis because it could have briefly powered the shield that would stop the Wraith. My only point was that by removing the value of the ZPM to Atlantis, they removed the need to wrestle with a moral issue, which was the easy way out (why didn't they, for example, refer to the fact that the ZPM could have powered the gate to get them back to Earth?).

J.

Tok'Ra Hostess
August 20th, 2004, 07:11 AM
:p Not a bad ep but completely predictable, down to the minutest detail. Good thing they brought Mackay along so he could brag about how hot he and Carter are together :p and show that he cares equally little for kids and adults(and yet, loves them dearly in his own self-absorbed way... :))

Doubtless nobody minds how calloused Rodney's attitude was, probably because he's had a few eps for character growth. If Dr. Ponytail or Sgt Security had taken that zpm and blithely said that the natives could simply be uprooted,... OI!

I don't know, maybe when I actually read what everyone else thought I'll be surprised(and my faith in humanity will be restored.... riiight ;)

Major Fischer
August 20th, 2004, 08:08 AM
Doubtless nobody minds how calloused Rodney's attitude was, probably because he's had a few eps for character growth. If Dr. Ponytail or Sgt Security had taken that zpm and blithely said that the natives could simply be uprooted,... OI!

I don't know, maybe when I actually read what everyone else thought I'll be surprised(and my faith in humanity will be restored.... riiight ;)

Nope, sorry to disappoint you. ;)

Tok'Ra Hostess
August 20th, 2004, 08:45 AM
Having read all the posts, now, a few thoughts on other's thoughts:

The sacrifices: I don't think the sacrifices were required by the Ancients, per se, just by the ancestors of this particular planetary society.

That being said, I think that the fact that the Ancients both seeded this galaxy and dabbled in ascension makes the Pegasus humans see death from a different perspective than your run-of-the-mill MW galaxy human.

Just as these humans know about the Ancients and what they had done for them, so, too, they may not fear death; who's to say that the Ancients don't allow these humans to ascend? Or, at least, these humans may believe that ascension awaits them at death, because of the fact that the Ancients ascended.

If I understand correctly, our Milky Way galaxy was not seeded by the Ancients, but rather, humans evolved here. We are, as Daniel(I think) said, the second evolution of the human form. Ascension may not be automatic for "us" as we are not the direct descendants of the Ancients, but it may well be automatic for the Pegasus "children" of the Ancients.

If ascension was part of the Pegasus galaxy experience it would go far in explaining the Athosian death rituals, too.

Ford: Yeah, he had the best lines after MacKay. :D

Sheppard: How like Jack's his explanation of the Stargate - it's a big... round... thing..." :p

The zpm-powered device reminded me of the shield devices in SG-1 season one's First Commandment, the device that made the sky orange and also allowed limited space for growth. The only real difference was that the cap was larger. An SG team should go back and have a look at what powers that thing(now that zpms are turning up all over the MW galaxy ;) ).

Zed/Zee: I am Canadian, but depending on who I'm with, I'll use different pronunciations. I'll exchange zee for zed, or miles/pounds for the more civilized kliks/kilos, etc. And I find myself adopting other's accents, though my husband is much better at that (or, worse, actually - it's embarrassing! :o ).

I didn't think Ares was so bad(no shocker, there, eh? :p ). He was probably
1)overreacting at his responsibility of having to "persuade" a reluctant "elder" to "do the right thing," and/or,
2) next in line to be the boss. :D

No, seriously, I'd imagine that if I had to make sure that a person does something so unnatural as to take one's own life before witnesses, I'd start acting a little OTT as the event drew near, especially if a dangerous distraction suddenly walked into town; and the SGA-ers were dangerous in 2 ways:

1) They were old, and therefore (in the eyes of the kids) a magnet for the Wraith, and
2) Sheppard and co were telling them that their centuries-old death ritual was wrong, which, as all the kids "knew" was just crazy talk.

CGI treehouse was beautiful :eek: , but I, too, knew it had to be CGI; there's no way they would have been allowed to build safe structures in those trees. First thing I thought of was the Treetop communities in the Dinotopia books. :)

As for the Wraith probe, I liked its look and insectlike speed and agility, but it looked too clean and crisp against the sky, and I think that's what gives it a "fake" feel - well, for me, anyway.

sshspooky
September 5th, 2004, 04:07 PM
Personally i thought this episode was great. SG1's first offworld team episode was 104, Atlantis was 106, and it has come later because previous episodes have been able to explore the environment of Atlantis, and deal with stargate technology problems, something that happened later in SG1 when stargate theory was more udnerstood by the audience.

SG!'s first team offworld ep was pretty poor really, when you look at what happened, but we can't say the same about this. I have to say i can't wait for more offworld eps like this in the future.

Firstly, all the characters had moments to shine:

Shepherd - being a leader and making the tough decisions, like supporting McKay in taking the ZPM, thinking that the likelyhood of the Wraith attacking in the short amount of time it was gone was unlikely. I don't think he ever thought they would keep it.

McKay - moments with the kids, figuring out technology, taking the ZPM and putting their objectives first, saying the one thing SG1 have never said ("We've only been here an hour why would they listen to us?!?"), and his moments with Weir which i always love.

Ford - moments with kids, making his place as a fun guy, he didn't shine in the premiere but the more i see him i am slowly warming to the character and his place on the team.

Teyla - Moral voice, she really is a great character.

Weir - i can't see how people don't like her. since McKay took the ZPM she made the right decisions, was firm and strong as a leader, had her great banter with McKay like she always does, and in this episode played the role of Hammond, which is someting i think we'll see more of, and with her in that leadership role in some eps, and in a slightly different role in the City based eps, she is really a brilliant character. i wonder whether people don't like her as in the earlier episodes were saw her show weakness and uncertainty as she came to terms with her leadership role, but in this episode we see she has really settled in to that role comfortably now.


I also liked the plot, the ZPM and whether we could use it, and the fact how Wraith technology seems to be everywhere so we really will have to be careful. I liked the culture of the people, and it's the classic episodes like this that i sometimes think SG1 has lost, where they just go out on a mission, and it's not all about the big arc. However, with SG1 and Atlantis running alongside, i'm a happy guy! :)

watcher652
October 23rd, 2004, 12:05 PM
I liked this bit:

Teyla: They're sacrificing themselves for no reason.

McKay: What are we going to tell them Teyla? Listen, kiddies. Everything you believe is wrong and trust us because we've been here for... almost an hour.

But then they were trusted after they were at the village for... almost an day.

It looks like the whole episode took place in just a day. Because at the end Keras still had the paint on his face for the cleansing ceremony, it looks like McKay adjusted the field generator, word was sent out to the other villages about the generator, word was received back, and the team left the planet all that same afternoon.

And what about that field generator adjustment? After it took McKay forever to figure out how to put back the ZPM in the generator, he figured how to adjust it with apparently no trouble. I guess he just had to figure out how the non-standard equipment worked and everything else followed the same logic. A Mac OS instead of Windows. :D

Oh, and that bag of chocolate bars? Is that standard for the first aid kits in Puddle Jumpers? McKay ate a chocolate bar from the first aid kit in Thirty Eight Minutes.

Furling God
October 24th, 2004, 08:33 AM
But then they were trusted after they were at the village for... almost an day.



Although I am keen on denouncing inconsistencies in other aspects, I am ready to accept that kind of "trust" as a dramatic necessity. "our Heroe arrives in a new world and gets to talk to the king" and so on, and not "Our hero has to fill administrative papers for three days before he can see the local police officer, who doesn't believe he comes from another planet and begins arguing...".

I say ok, that's like the trick of making every people speak English. It's a decent plot resource.

watcher652
October 24th, 2004, 09:48 PM
McKay: What are we going to tell them Teyla? Listen, kiddies. Everything you believe is wrong and trust us because we've been here for... almost an hour.

But then they were trusted after they were at the village for... almost an day.


Although I am keen on denouncing inconsistencies in other aspects, I am ready to accept that kind of "trust" as a dramatic necessity. "our Heroe arrives in a new world and gets to talk to the king" and so on, and not "Our hero has to fill administrative papers for three days before he can see the local police officer, who doesn't believe he comes from another planet and begins arguing...".

I say ok, that's like the trick of making every people speak English. It's a decent plot resource.
Oh, I wasn't saying I didn't accept it, I know we have to compress things for dramatic purposes. I was just trying to say that I thought it was funny that someone in the episode actually pointed it out but they do it anyway. It did take longer than the hour! :)

It was almost like a wink from the writers. "We know, we know, but we know you'll understand."

Furling God
October 25th, 2004, 12:51 AM
I was just trying to say that I thought it was funny that someone in the episode actually pointed it out but they do it anyway. It did take longer than the hour! :)

It was almost like a wink from the writers. "We know, we know, but we know you'll understand."

Oh, ok, I follow you on this point. I fully agree it was a good line from the writers'.

Historywiz
November 2nd, 2004, 01:06 PM
I did not really care much for this ep? :(

watcher652
November 2nd, 2004, 11:58 PM
I did not really care much for this ep? :(
Can you say why?

Lord Zedd
November 3rd, 2004, 01:14 AM
I don't know. I just don't find Ford to be that funny. I mean, he's funny, but not funny funny....

Now McKay. That whole 'Why?' 'Because I said so.' argument was hillarious.
yeah I thought so too.It was hilarious :D

Matt G
November 16th, 2004, 01:59 PM
First Brit to comment on this ep it seems!(editor ready though!)

1. Overall decent ep. Reminds me of SG1 S1 but at the same time reminds me the the SGAers aren't quite the same as SG1.

2. I didn't have a clue the treehouse was CGI - nice one FX guy!

3. OK...so McKay is no good with kids. Somehow I'm not surprised! Still not sure whether I want to buy the guy a beer or knock him out after this ep.

4. Smooth character play generally.

Chalk up another solid but not spectacular for Atlantis!

Anubis
November 16th, 2004, 11:11 PM
I've give the episode an ok, but it wasn't something amazing that really glued me into interest of the show. But it was still ok. :)


I love how those two kids kept annoying McKay when he was trying to work at the beginning, and then almost at the end when he's attempting to fix the ZPM. Poor guy. Probably the most humourous part of the episode.


Sheppard and Teyla were good in the ep, and we finally had some speech from Ford, for a change. :)

WraithWarrior
November 17th, 2004, 12:20 AM
This episode was good, but I was confused at the end how they went back off the planet in he puddlejumper because when they went back into the puddlejumper, the EM shield was back on line yet all of their equipment worked. How????

greytop
November 17th, 2004, 01:52 AM
This episode was good, but I was confused at the end how they went back off the planet in he puddlejumper because when they went back into the puddlejumper, the EM shield was back on line yet all of their equipment worked. How????
They could have parked the puddlejumper outside the EM shield. Then everything would have worked.

Terok
November 17th, 2004, 03:40 AM
Didn't McKay and Ford go back to Atlantis in the puddlejumper with the ZPM when the shield was down. When they came back they said they parked it outside the shield. One thing though, I thought Sheppard was the only one who fly the puddlejumper at the moment.


Anyway, it was an OK episode, nothing special.

Liked the parts with McKay and the kids, quite funny. Interesting to see the different perspectives of McKay and Weir, where McKay would only think of the benefits to the Atlantis team and not the consequences for the people they stole the ZPM off yet Weir won't go around endangering other peoples for limited benefits. Will be interesting to see what see does when there is a real benefit to a situation like that.

.:Lemon:.
November 17th, 2004, 07:28 AM
Quite a good episode. I loved McKay in it :D It wasn't a great episode, but it wasn't awful either :)

Crazedwraith
November 17th, 2004, 08:19 AM
Nice episode. Seemed a bit Peter Panish at times (the village-eurgh) but had a good solid plot nice moral issues but I don't think Rodney would do that he isn't an immoral character. The elder's eyes were crossed to, made the episode a little more strange.

watcher652
November 17th, 2004, 09:15 AM
Didn't McKay and Ford go back to Atlantis in the puddlejumper with the ZPM when the shield was down. When they came back they said they parked it outside the shield. One thing though, I thought Sheppard was the only one who fly the puddlejumper at the moment.

After McKay turns of the ZPM, he and Ford are walking back to the Puddle Jumper with the ZPM. McKay is talking to Sheppard on the radio. McKay says he needs to get the ZPM back to the lab. Sheppard asks him how he was planning to do that. McKay says he's had the gene inoculation and that Sheppard has given him a flying lesson. Sheppard says McKay needs more than just a five minue lesson to fly the PJ, but McKay says it's not like he's going to be dog-fighting Wraith Darts. He and Ford can handle it. Sheppard lets him go.

Elite Anubis Guard
November 17th, 2004, 09:36 AM
This was an interesting episode. Indeeds reminds me of the trials and tribulation(:)) of season 1 of sg1

i liked mckays development, funny guy.

But it seems to be making the ancients look like pussys cos of how easily the jumper was taken down!

Ancients Rising
November 17th, 2004, 11:11 AM
But it seems to be making the ancients look like pussys cos of how easily the jumper was taken down!

Yes, how easily it was taken down by there own EM-interference generator ;)

This episode was a bit strange. The only annoyance I had with it though and it seems to be a problem in all episodes of Atlantis since Hide & Seek: The levels of lighting.

The levels of white/brightness/contrast were varying so much it made some scenes look tacky.

Major Clanger
November 17th, 2004, 11:51 AM
Well....
all i can say is this made me think that one of the writers had recently read Lord of the Flies...
And I was getting annoyed that Lt Eliott showed up...

I really really thought that first MacKay wouldn't have just taken the ZPM, and that Ford, Sheppard and especially Teyla would have fought him on that.

Which sort of made the ep a bit silly really. And there was no reason for the kids to be living in the trees.

Basically, although I haven't seen the film, I just kept thinking they were going to push Piggy off a cliff and turn into savages. Even the wraith shrine was too evocative of the pilot hanging by his parachute harness straps in LotF...

So, I watched and enjoyed because it's Atlantis and it's shiny and new. But if it goes on like this, I'll only be watching to letch. And that would be a shame.
(oh and sorry, no time to read the BL, so sorry if someone else mentioned LotF)

CultTVGirl
November 18th, 2004, 12:59 AM
And there was no reason for the kids to be living in the trees.

When I saw the tree village I was half-expecting Ewoks to show up! :D

I did like this episode a lot though. Absolutely loved the scenes between Rodney and the kids. So funny. I love how mean he was to them! And then how Ford went the opposite way and was being nice to them (Ford's so sweet!).

But where did all the chocolate come from? Was chocolate really considered a vital item of food when they left for the Pegasus Galaxy? Or is that what Rodney was carrying around in his backpack - a secret stash of sweets? Poor Rodney - they gave his chocolate away! :(

Rodney and the kids made the episode though. You know he loved them really. Or maybe not!

Major Fischer
November 18th, 2004, 05:18 AM
So, I watched and enjoyed because it's Atlantis and it's shiny and new. But if it goes on like this, I'll only be watching to letch. And that would be a shame.
(oh and sorry, no time to read the BL, so sorry if someone else mentioned LotF)

All very well stated. Really was my least favorite episode the entire season so far. I kept wishing they'd based it off of Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End because I found it boring as all hell.

Major Clanger
November 18th, 2004, 09:01 AM
But where did all the chocolate come from? Was chocolate really considered a vital item of food when they left for the Pegasus Galaxy? Or is that what Rodney was carrying around in his backpack - a secret stash of sweets? Poor Rodney - they gave his chocolate away! :(
You've not met many military people, have you? ;)

If they put nothing else in rat packs apart from chocolate and loo paper most military types would be ok. No chocolate would be something approaching grounds for a serious mutiny.

Apart from the fact that it can deliver a good dose of sugar (energy) pretty quickly, never underestimate the feel-good factor that a a good ol' bar of chocolate can impart.

To me it seems pretty mean getting them hooked on chocolate - since I'm guessing they only have a finite supply. And I didn't notice a plethora of Dentist's surgeries

Major Fischer
November 18th, 2004, 09:07 AM
You've not met many military people, have you? ;)

If they put nothing else in rat packs apart from chocolate and loo paper most military types would be ok. No chocolate would be something approaching grounds for a serious mutiny.

Agreed. The chocolate and the tabasco sauce in MREs :D

SeaBee
November 19th, 2004, 01:35 PM
To me it seems pretty mean getting them hooked on chocolate - since I'm guessing they only have a finite supply. And I didn't notice a plethora of Dentist's surgeries

Good point.

On the whole, I enjoyed the ep, although I kept thinking of Logans Run.

One little point, though.
When McKay came back he said that he had parked the ship just outside the limit of the field, so that they could still fly when the shield was back up.
Then at the end He said he had managed to increase its size by 50%, to give the kids some more room. Wouldn't that have put the jumper back inside the shield again? :S

Major Clanger
November 20th, 2004, 12:21 AM
Good point.

On the whole, I enjoyed the ep, although I kept thinking of Logans Run.

One little point, though.
When McKay came back he said that he had parked the ship just outside the limit of the field, so that they could still fly when the shield was back up.
Then at the end He said he had managed to increase its size by 50%, to give the kids some more room. Wouldn't that have put the jumper back inside the shield again? :S
eek, a Logan's Run mention: I fully expect GateGipsy to turn up very soon!!

As to the field: if MacKay had worked out how to increase the field before he came back (seems likely to me) he would have parked the jumper outside of the new increased energy field

They just have to walk further, that's all

Elite Anubis Guard
November 20th, 2004, 12:33 AM
i thought it was piss funny with the kids and rodney. he really hates kids doesnt he!

Anubis
November 20th, 2004, 12:34 AM
All very well stated. Really was my least favorite episode the entire season so far. I kept wishing they'd based it off of Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End because I found it boring as all hell.



It wasn't that bad, although it wasn't an amazing breath-taking episode, so I'd agree to an extent. But seeing Rodney and the kids was just great. :D

greytop
November 20th, 2004, 02:58 AM
i thought it was piss funny with the kids and rodney. he really hates kids doesnt he!
It was funny. I don't think Rodney hates kids, he's not used to being around them, especially ones that follow him around all the time.

Elite Anubis Guard
November 20th, 2004, 09:06 AM
lol or after his coccy.

cant wait for next epsiode, im becoming fond of this new series!

kodamawu
December 10th, 2004, 10:50 PM
ok this ep is old, but it was rerunning on sci fi today and reminded me how much i hate that ares kid (the guy who was trying to get everybody to leave), i kept hoping he would get shot so first of all, he'd be dead, second of all, they'd all realize that their flying sticks just dont cut it against SGA's flying metal.

watcher652
December 11th, 2004, 10:31 AM
ok this ep is old, but it was rerunning on sci fi today and reminded me how much i hate that ares kid (the guy who was trying to get everybody to leave), i kept hoping he would get shot so first of all, he'd be dead, second of all, they'd all realize that their flying sticks just dont cut it against SGA's flying metal.
For you to have such a strong reaction, then that's good writing and acting.

I thought it was interesting how different Aries was from Keras. And that it must have rankled Aries that Keras was the leader and not he. I wondered how the leadership thing worked. If it was always the oldest, then if you were born just after someone else, you may not get much time to do any leading. Or maybe if you were all born within a certain timeframe, then there's a vote to see who would lead. I can see where that would lead to jealousy.

lionel_pendergast_rocks
December 11th, 2004, 03:42 PM
I watched this ep again last night (I fear it won't be long until reruns cant hold me over anymore - :( )and I found it kind of cool for some reason. The first time I saw it, I didn't think much of it. more than anything, the wraith 'bird' as they called it, was pretty cool, although it reminded me of the xindi weapon from season 3 of 'enterprise', only smaller.

andrelage
December 25th, 2005, 12:04 PM
i found this episode very funny but i have one question. if we assume there are about 1000 kids on the planet why couldn't we take them all to atlantis and have them live on the mainland? its big enough. that way the atlantis team would have a zpm.


sorry if this has been mentioned or asked before

PG15
December 25th, 2005, 06:41 PM
Well, they did say that the ZPM would only power Atlantis's shields for a few hours...

Admiral Mappalazarou
December 27th, 2005, 07:49 AM
I reckon that in a future series of Atlantis the planet will be destroyed and the city itself makes use of it's spaceship function and goes up against the entire Wraith fleet. That'd be cool...

captain jake
April 8th, 2006, 05:45 PM
This episode is not my favourite they were so ungratefull we should have just taken there zpm or as the canadians call it a zed pm.HAHA

Orovingwen
September 26th, 2006, 07:10 PM
That episode remined me on the TOS episode "Miri" so I wa sa bit surprised it's suicide not a virus :D
Well the episodes has parts that were long winded or dragging but McKay helped that^^ But he seemed a bid flinty with the argument "we need a ZPM" But I liked Weir because she was against that :)
I actually thought the eldest would die nonetheless and all would be sad and regret it. But it didn't, he suvived (without Beckett showing up *meh*)

I just don't understand why they ask Teyla where to go and why the kids should trust her? She seems to be all knowing just like the writers justify her to be a member if the SG team...

atlantis_angel
May 15th, 2007, 09:41 AM
i loved this episode...i couldn't believe that he made one child cry, and the other one kicked him for doing it...classic!

garhkal
May 15th, 2007, 03:21 PM
Well i know several people who are like that, impatient with kids..

KindlyKeller
March 2nd, 2008, 12:55 AM
This is a very underrated episode, a highlight of what has proved thus far to be Atlantis' best season.

jimhawkinsgirl
April 18th, 2008, 08:19 AM
No arguement from me there. I love the actors that they use, but the fact that they reuse them for different characters is a little disconcerting. When a character has an entire episode devoted to them, and then they return as some one else... :S

yeah totally. besides the actor that they use for keras is hot:sheppard::teyla:

Artifysial
September 10th, 2008, 12:18 PM
I thought bit daft in fact but I think balance between the lighter and more dark episodes is quite good in this season's eps. Thought bit Lord of the Flies really but yes McKay and kids was dare I say ...cute.

Butlersgate
February 25th, 2009, 11:38 AM
Mckay + kids = classic

Orion25
March 8th, 2009, 04:28 AM
When I first saw it wasn't very keen with episode but I went with it. We found out McKay's moral compass will go elsewhere in the name of ZedPM but he finally came to his senses enough to consider Weir's POV and understood why this society came to be.

escyos
May 15th, 2009, 03:09 AM
they still could have just made sure there was no more tracking devices and then taken the ZPM

GuHNDoi
June 30th, 2009, 02:48 AM
I hate the line Teyla says, when she sees the probe:

"It was too small to be a dart"

WTF!

Ulkesh47
July 1st, 2009, 09:47 PM
I hate the line Teyla says, when she sees the probe:

"It was too small to be a dart"

WTF!
Probably a line that Martin Gero wrote without having seen the actual visual effect! :D

nmmb
July 14th, 2009, 05:07 PM
I hate the line Teyla says, when she sees the probe:

"It was too small to be a dart"

WTF!


Yap it is really stupid!
It's to small to be a Death Star maybe, but a dart....

One thing I don't really like its when they re-cast actors this this time was Keras the had previously played Lieutenant Elliot.

I just get the felling he is someone else during the whole episode....

But I understand they like giving the job to someone who probably deserves it...

ktebid
February 5th, 2010, 08:54 PM
"How morally superior" oh dear, McKay...well I guess it shows his social skills, he might have a very high IQ but his EQ is not quite as developed. The end does not justify the means.

GATEGOD
February 25th, 2010, 01:08 PM
This upsets me to no end on the commentary Rainbow Sun Franks is freaking epic and happy and everything and there even joking about teyla and Ford having a relationship and all the while they're plotting ways to kick him off the show because he's bland and is no character... yet in every other episode him rodney or sheppard are all switching spots in saving the day. BLAH He should have beein all 5 seasons. /grr. I'm angry haha ugh so much could have been different.

mrscopterdoc
June 21st, 2010, 07:20 PM
In watching the earlier shows of SGA I am constantly reminded just how funny and wonderful Ford was. It is such a shame they did not keep him very long. :(

Elorendil
June 25th, 2010, 07:33 PM
I thought the premise of this episode was very interesting. I will admit, when all the boys with the bows popped up to capture Sheppard & Co., the first thing that came to my mind was "Oh, look, they found Never-Never Land!" :p But then they actually managed to pull the script off without it looking like some cheesy version of Never-Never Land.

The whole idea of ritual suicide as a method of population control was pretty deep, I thought. I mean, I don't think anyone in our society would ever accept such a thing. It just shows how desperate these people were to escape the wraiths. And then Rodney had to come along and almost ruin everything by stealing their ZPM. Someone needs to smack that boy! Didn't his mother ever teach him that it is wrong to steal? :p Seriously, though, I loved the scenes between him and the two little girls. It was cute to watch him be so gruff and annoyed with them at first, then kind of warm up to them a wee bit by the end of the episode.

maneth
November 10th, 2010, 10:04 AM
Cool ep, although it reminded me a bit of a Star Trek episode, not to mention the antipodean show Tribe...

Skie
March 14th, 2011, 03:34 PM
I rewatched this ep and noticed something I didn't the first time. When McKay explains why the wraith don't come because of the shield: "sorry, perhaps I'm not being clear. Nothing works here, not their stunners, their Darts... even their shields wouldn't function correctly."

I never saw the wraith use any shields?

maxerwin
May 14th, 2011, 10:28 AM
This is a great episode. Fascinating concept.

Starsaber
May 5th, 2012, 06:22 PM
Something I just thought of when I rewatched this today. What if a woman is pregnant when she turns 25? Would they wait for the child to be born or have her commit suicide then?

Or do they have enough knowledge and self-control to avoid that?

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
June 7th, 2012, 04:07 PM
Thought it was kind of a boring episode.

We now know McKay hates kids.

Tomorrow, people who they can make people immune from the Wraith.

hlndncr
June 7th, 2012, 05:06 PM
I want some chocolate!

I like this episode. I thought it was an interesting culture. There was good tension about stopping the sacrifices and getting the shield to work again before the wraith could come.

McKay is really bad with kids. I think it goes to what Elizabeth told him; he just thinks of himself as so superior that he doesn't even consider other points of view might be valid. I liked the way she shut him up and made him do the right thing.

Listening to the commentary, Martin Gero gives a shout out to GateWorld. He talks about coming on the forum after the episode aired and reading the fan reactions. As a result he toned down how he wrote McKay because many thought he was too mean.

mathpiglet
June 8th, 2012, 03:22 PM
McKay exhibits many of the same character traits as Sheldon on The Big Bang Theory. They are so wrapped up in themselves that empathy of others is completely foreign.

hlndncr
June 8th, 2012, 04:35 PM
McKay exhibits many of the same character traits as Sheldon on The Big Bang Theory. They are so wrapped up in themselves that empathy of others is completely foreign.

McKay is definitely as self absorbed, but not nearly as compulsive.

Lieutenant Sparrow
June 10th, 2012, 03:17 AM
Pretty boring ep imo.

McKay isn't the character who I grew to love just yet.

Ending your life when you turn 25? Bugger that for a joke. Glad we put an end to that.

We never see those Wraith drones again.

So what I got from this ep. Life's short but not that short thankfully, don't get McKay to baby sit your kids and chocolate chocolate chocolate.

Jae'a
June 11th, 2012, 02:54 PM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/58711.html)
It's an alright episode, not one of my faves so far though.


So what I got from this ep. Life's short but not that short thankfully, don't get McKay to baby sit your kids and chocolate chocolate chocolate.

I like that last point. ;)

Krisz
June 11th, 2012, 03:35 PM
Boring one for me. Kids and McKay in one episode, too much!!! Although it's funny how kids are like cats to people who would rather avoid them, they just don't leave them alone! :P

What I'm being reminded of again is how little is happening on Atlantis! They found Atlantis, the lost city of the Ancients for crying out loud!!!! Again they are off everywhere but Atlantis. I know they have to find food, but there must be so much stuff there to explore! I want to know what's on Atlantis!!!

I've noticed Ford a bit more with this re-watch. He's quite funny and personable, his wide eyed innocent take on things is great when he gets some screen time, he could be SGA's Daniel. :D

Lythisrose
June 12th, 2012, 09:22 PM
Joe Mallozzi's memories of this episode:

CHILDHOOD’S END (106)

Enter Golden boy Martin Gero, a young freelancer who, on the strength of his script for Childhood’s End, won himself a well-deserved staff position and then proceeded to run the table by taking ownership of the series through his multitudinous scripts (I don’t think anyone wrote more). By the end of the show’s run, he had earned the title Mr. Atlantis.

I remember the first draft of the script included a foppish royal named Lord Smeadon who Martin had to excise for the second draft after the first round of notes. Interestingly, Lord Smeadon was gone but not forgotten, making a curious guest appearance in The Storm, coincidentally also written by Mr. Gero. I also remember watching the dailies one day and hearing one of the young actors utter the now infamous line “Death bird fall from sky”. Death bird fall from sky? Why was he delivering his dialogue like the incredible Hulk? This was also the episode where a line from one of the walla performers left us scratching our heads. For those of you who don’t know, “walla” is the background murmurings, usually unintelligible, you hear amongst some onscreen crowd. In the scene in which Sheppard destroys the shrine, amidst the unintelligible murmurings, we hear one performer clearly mutter: “This has never happened before!”. Really? You’ve never had a stranger walk through the stargate and blast your shrine away with his machine gun? First time? Needless to say, that particular line of walla did not make the final cut.

Anyway, Martin ended up commemorating his very first Stargate: Atlantis episode by gifting the writing staff these awesome t-shirts:
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/june-9-2012-dark-matter-comic-con-days-of-stargate-past-stargate-atlantis-suspicion-and-childhoods-end/

Matt G
June 14th, 2012, 02:37 PM
MIdweek another ep of Atlantis...

1. Rewatched this not that long back before the actual Rewatch.

2. The kids as observers was still strange as hell.

3. McKay had a point, the way they lived was fracked up.

Still solid.

jelgate
June 16th, 2012, 07:36 PM
This one is kind of boring. It just goes through the motions of a generic Stargate script. We come into a society that is sucidal because they think it prevents Wraith cullings. And in typical Stargate fashion we convinvce the planet that their culture appraoch to death is wrong. I have always disliked when Stargate does this. It seems arrogant of us to impose our values on the culture and judge their way is wrong. I kind of liked the energy dampening field. I wish their had been more to that instead of just the is dampers Wraith technology and the ethics of stealing the ZPM. Yes Weir mentioned it but it was kind of glossed over

ZRFTS
June 22nd, 2012, 01:20 AM
Childhood's End

As with every Stargate series there has to be plots where the team either visits or get themselves trapped on an unknown planet so surprise surprise, here comes a plot that the folks at SG1 probably glossed over then gave to Atlantis; one that involves kids, sacrificial rituals, a treehouse community similar to the one seen in Star Wars VI and something about the Wraith.

For the most part, the Atlantis team manage to serve the roles normally served by SG1 well; they have their purpose, they explore and they have the chemistry that makes these types of things possible... There are no scenes that overly grow their character nor serve as something groundbreaking but the purpose here isn't to grow characters, it's to have a classic Stargate adventure that serves to please. Shephard plays kind of the O'Neill role here and he does it decently, providing insight, leadership values and even a sense of involvement when it comes to the people at hand; sure he lacks the pizazz that RDA has but he more them makes up for it with his dedication and modesty, two things that make Shephard what he is. Rodney plays a more annoying Dr. Daniel Jackson; many scenes involve him being annoying, especially the one where he's with kids. (terrible, I'd bet he'd easily break under water torture.) I will admit there are scenes where he's somewhat heroic and tolerable but for the most part he's annoying and picky. Ford and Taylor are just kind of there, playing their roles but I will admit that Ford is proving to be one of the more underrated characters out there, his enthusiasm is something SGA should focus more on.


http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3050/sgacrew.jpg
Yup, the SG1 SGA crew fully equipped.

The village of people under 25 is interesting to say the least; to see everybody as either a teen, a young adult or a kid with bows is both cute and deadly at that, who knew there'd be such a society acting with adult issues while at the same time looking like teens? I'm guessing the intentions of the episode were to show the fun the writers could have working with such a situation and attempting to make a bunch of kids into a deadly force and while some of the scenes do click, many do not; leaving the writer's intentions to be desired... For many of the scenes, it doesn't feel like a bunch of kids trying to act like adults, more so it feels like the roles of adults being played by kids taking their roles seriously and the initial aspect of kids playing adult roles wears out quickly if they don't have some fun with it. The village itself is decently constructed with wood houses, bridges, a sense of fun and wonder that would likely exist more on a children's show then SGA; it's detailed, natural, easygoing and it just seems like what a group of these people would build. As a plus, a lot of shots showcase the beauty of the village, especially the trees which I thought was my favorite part; it isn't the most imaginative of villages but in the context of the episode, it works just fine.

The episode explores a fine line between religiously taking your own life and whether or not the life taken is necessary and the moments in life that exist after age 24; it's an interesting concept and regarding the Wraith, it certainly provides an interesting discussion regarding whether or not what they're doing is actually doing anything at all. Is what your doing actually doing what you think your doing or is it something else entirely? It is explored decently, fueling the twisted society that they live in and forming the basis for some decent sci-fi but unfortunately it doesn't have much depth as the life argument runs out of stream within the halfway point of the episode; don't get me wrong, it's a good concept but there isn't much subject matter available to use in this episode. Now the moral implications of taking someone else's ZPM that was clearly defending an entire planet, that contains a lot of subject matter. I mean think about it, is it right to take the ZPM out of something that was defending the planet, is it right to alert them of their existence and possibly threaten the plans of the elders, should we let things go on the way they're intended and not interfere, no matter how twisted it is? This is pretty interesting stuff that could of fueled this episode but instead it's merely hinted at by Dr. Weir in a small cameo appearance. I understand what the writers were trying to do but this could of made the episode into so much more.


http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/1695/sgarodneyzpm.jpg
Even Dr. Rodney McKay wonders about the ZPM's possibilities.

As expected there is a conflict that's afoot and it involves a sensible guy who's an elder, a guy who has negative thoughts against the visitors that soon corrupts him and the village in general. The sensible guy is serviceable, he plays his role well and he even gives thoughtful insight for a 24 year old, he's kind and inviting but there isn't anything that makes his role memorable, same goes to the evil guy; he also plays his role well and it is somewhat interesting earlier on but the constant appearances and mentions take their toll and with every subsequent appearance he becomes less and less interesting to the point where it's hard to see him as something else other then a usual generic SG1 bad guy, he does serve a purpose in providing the conflict (which is okay but...) but there isn't much depth to him at all. There doesn't seem to be anything more but I will add that the lack of music that they had during some of the scenes was a nice touch, the electromagnetism thing was decent (don't know if it predated Lost or if they watched an early version of the Lost pilot and decided to copy that) and some of the tension the episode provided later on was good.

In the end however, this just feels like one of SG1's castoffs/rejects; don't get me wrong, it's a decent episode but it treads well-known territory and at many times feels boring and dull; there are some times where it's enjoyable but for the most part, you'll be wishing that Jack, Daniel, Sam and Teal'q were there instead of Shephard, Rodney, Taylor and Ford; there are episodes which showcases Atlantis's potential, this is not one of them.

6.5/10

Cluas
February 12th, 2013, 04:14 AM
I disliked this one. It was under avarage.

The plot with the ZPM was allright, and it kept me watching, but a typical sg1 episode, as others have said.

:sheppardanime31:

bjohnson
April 4th, 2013, 11:27 AM
This ep is definitely a filler ep. I still enjoyed it. I always find it interesting seeing characters that where played in the other series. Like the kid that was shot and how he was in the SG1 ep [I]Proving Ground[I].

Anyone else notice that Camcam Gigandet played a small roll in the ep?

Baron Of Hell
July 23rd, 2013, 09:41 PM
I liked this episode. Didn't notice some the actors from SG1 were in this one until it was pointed out. Normally i hate kid actors but these were good. Mckay with the kids was the best part for me.

j7n
January 23rd, 2014, 01:54 AM
I'm going to skip reading earlier comments in this thread because I feel that my opinion strongly contrasts with the majority.

This belief that aging and inevitable decay of the body is acceptable or even desirable is strong in the Western culture. The story of this episode was one of the many to promote it. The SG-1 episode with the child "rocket scientists" was just like this one. I felt that by using the Earth units for age measurement, it was established that other rules of Earth culture shall be obeyed.

Dr Weir did well in balancing the usual "moral superiority" by raising her objections. I liked her even though she is the leader and the law.

The society under the zed-pm shield (I'm bad with names like McKay...) is more likely to fall apart now that it has been "uprooted". These people do not know how to be 25 and 26. Their body will change, their strength and beauty will go away, their desires will shift. If the season had come out now, I'd expect another episode where this new reality is portrayed. Perhaps the people could form gangs and join the grouping fueled by the Enzyme, because their natural strength isn't there anymore and they have hatred towards the Wraith.

mrscopterdoc
August 20th, 2014, 08:04 AM
This one is kind of boring. It just goes through the motions of a generic Stargate script. We come into a society that is sucidal because they think it prevents Wraith cullings. And in typical Stargate fashion we convinvce the planet that their culture appraoch to death is wrong. I have always disliked when Stargate does this. It seems arrogant of us to impose our values on the culture and judge their way is wrong.I agree. I think they were trying for some kind of moral lesson maybe overall I just thought meh.