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August 5th, 2004, 09:30 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 105</FONT>
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After a series of run-ins with the Wraith, the team begins to suspect their Athosian allies of having a spy in their midst.

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PYRO
August 6th, 2004, 08:00 PM
Very cool, I liked it.

Was that Wraith that they captured the same as seen in "Rising Part 2"?

ShadowMaat
August 6th, 2004, 08:00 PM
I really REALLY wish the Ep discussion threads would pop up faster... Some of us would like to talk about the ep while it's actually happening. :P

Do not like the head of security dude. He's an over-paranoid jerk. Not surprised that the "leaking" of info to the Wraith was inadvertent. Nifty trick, having it be the necklace, which Shep activated. Loved McKay trying to explain that to Mr. Security. hehe.

Once again, great quoteables from McKay. Loved his scene with Dr. Z (who is definitely Czech). Although if McKay is such a gourmand, what's with liking MREs and hospital food? He was whining about being sent to Siberia because of the food, but MREs he likes? Is Russian food THAT bad?? ;)

Cheers to McKay for questioning leaving people behind, then champing at the bit to go back and get Ford and Teyla.

And I ask again, why must the doors be SO LOUD??? Sheesh.

I figured out who that Wraith dude reminds me of- that guy from Kill Bill vol. 2

Elwe Singollo
August 6th, 2004, 08:07 PM
The head of security annoyed me, a lot, but i can understand the possible risks, but i don't know, i think he just didn't like Teyla's people.

I liked the Filipino stick fighting with Teyla and the Wraith dude, fast pace :)

TheKatGoddess
August 6th, 2004, 08:10 PM
I LOVE McKay! God, he was funny in the beginning, and I had to give him props for sticking up for everyone!

I dunno, though, this ep was good but kinda... "Let's all accuse the alilens because we can!" If they were gonna talk about there being a rat in the colony, I would've like to see one or something similar! Although, I thought it was cool that they worked the necklace into being the actual cause, though.

I feel so bad for Ford, though. "I thought we agreed you wouldn't name anything anymore."

Vyse
August 6th, 2004, 08:10 PM
Good episode, funny how Sheppard activated the necklace. The Wraith still seem too weak for me though, I kept on thinking how could these guys beat the ancients? Security guy almost pissed me of as the religious nut in SG-1 tonight. McKay was great as usual too, funny scene with him and his gun! :D

Faith
August 6th, 2004, 08:12 PM
I am new and I guess we do not have to put spoiler lines in this type of thread, If yes I apologize and just pm me and tell me I need to.


I KNEW IT WAS THE NECKLACE!!!!! LOL

I really liked this ep. It scares me that they have a wraith now in Atlantis. I really liked the part of the guy forget his name that got hit in the face with the wraith stun weapon.

RoseMage
August 6th, 2004, 08:12 PM
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:) So cool they caught one---and even one without the mask!!!! :cool: Just hope it isn't their undoing.... but it'll be cool to learn more about the enemy. :)

the adventurer
August 6th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Something bugging me, I was SURE the Abadonian people naturaly had the Ancient gene being their desendents and all. But this episode blows that theory away, all though Shepard was just the first one to touch it, Teala may yet have the gene.



Now I did like the resolution, for one I was afraid it was the odvious answer and it was the Paranoid Sergent. Also it was good for Sheperd to clear up how it was all a mistake in about 2 seconds after discovering the device.

ShadowMaat
August 6th, 2004, 08:14 PM
The wraith are still pathetic, IMO.

Security Dude is so stereotypical it's amazing that he didn't flatten out into 2-D from the sheer force of his own clichè-ness.

I want to know why it never occurred to anyone that the leaking of info could be inadvertent. I know it's the first thing I thought of. But maybe I'm just weird. ;)

Elwe Singollo
August 6th, 2004, 08:15 PM
I think it was kind of clear that Teyla didn't have the gene, because if it was activated by a touch, then why didn't it activate when Teyla wore it long ago.

RoseMage
August 6th, 2004, 08:15 PM
Earth people are suppose to have been the Ancients descendants also... aren't they??? and if so it's been bred out of humans... so maybe it has them too?

the adventurer
August 6th, 2004, 08:16 PM
Well it went dorment a while after she droped it, odviously. And that planet didn't have one of the booster things. Or if it does then it doesn't matter as the Wraither were visiting perioticly anyway.


Unless it was a spesific divice to find Ancients.

Elwe Singollo
August 6th, 2004, 08:18 PM
I don't know if its a plot hole, but that whole little necklace activation thing is confusing me. :(

Vyse
August 6th, 2004, 08:18 PM
The wraith are still pathetic, IMO.

Security Dude is so stereotypical it's amazing that he didn't flatten out into 2-D from the sheer force of his own clichè-ness.

I want to know why it never occurred to anyone that the leaking of info could be inadvertent. I know it's the first thing I thought of. But maybe I'm just weird. ;)

Exactly. I'm shocked that someone like Weir didn't think about the possibility of it being by accident. I could see a more military person going that way, hence security guy, but I expect Dr. Weir to be more intelligent.

TheKatGoddess
August 6th, 2004, 08:20 PM
Security Dude is so stereotypical it's amazing that he didn't flatten out into 2-D from the sheer force of his own clichè-ness.

LMAO!! Seriously! He was all - "Hm... I need a suspect... I KNOW! I'M GOING TO TAKE THE MOST OBVIOUS CHARACTER THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY EXPECT!"


I want to know why it never occurred to anyone that the leaking of info could be inadvertent. I know it's the first thing I thought of. But maybe I'm just weird.

Nah, not weird. Probably just more perceptive. I really didn't think it would be something as simple, but I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist. *Shifty eyes*

uknesvuinng
August 6th, 2004, 08:22 PM
Nice episode. The conflict was good, I didn't expect them to catch a Wraith.

That however brings up a question. If the Wraith guy was so eager to blow himself up, why did he let the threat of death stop him? I would rather they had shot him a second time and it disabled him enough to remove the self-destruct device. I also wonder how much of his "my kind will save me" routine was truthful. If Wraith are rigged to self destruct like that, his kind probably expect him to have blown himself up, not leaving much to rescue. Hopefully the Atlantis team has removed any tracking devices on his person that would allow the Wraith to find them.

Now we know a few things though. We have an idea of what Wraith tracking technology might look like. We know that bullets drop them for a little bit, electricity does affect them, and stun grenades just kind of bug them. Looking forward to seeing if we learn anything from Atlantis's new pet. Also, McKay has an interesting taste in food.

Sgt. Security (I forget his actual name) got on my nerves some. He seemed determined to find an Athosian guilty of subterfuge. His close-mindedness probably would have allowed the security leak to go on much longer had a human been the unwilling spy in the ranks.

Good episode though, better of tonight's two IMO.

ShadowMaat
August 6th, 2004, 08:29 PM
I dunno, I think both eps were equally weak, in their own ways.

WHY do the Wraith have a self-destruct? If they consider themselves to be the superiorest thing ever, then why should they worry about being captured by the cattle? What could a bunch of cows possibly do to a t-rex? The wraith are nearly unkillable, right? And yet they don't seem to mind killing themselves at the first sign of danger. Strange...

Security dude actually annoys me even more than Kavanagh. And that's really saying something. At least Dr. K has SOME intelligence kicking around that over-inflated head of his. I doubt the same can be said of Sgt. Security.

Persephone
August 6th, 2004, 08:29 PM
This is my favorite episode of Atlantis so far. I have been waiting for a good focus on Teyla's character, as she is the only one I still didn't feel like I knew.

There were many good, strong, subtle themes being explored, including the nature of trust and the burden of leadership. Both Teyla and Weir were in tough, complicated situations: trying to do the right thing and the safest thing. I'm particularly fond of their mutual acknowledgement at the end.

I'm also a sucker for inspirational speech scenes, so I loved what Teyla said to her people about her hope in Atlantis. She instantly notched up in my favorite character ranks with that little stint.

In addition to all this, we got a glimpse into the ongoing day-to-day discoveries in Atlantis (the sunroof bit and the discovery of the mainland), developing friendship between Sheppard and each individual member of his team, a cool twist concerning the necklace (I have to confess I didn't see it coming-- especially not the tie-in with Major Sheppard having activated it), and lots of good humorous one-liners worthy of the Stargate name.

Seargeant Bates was an aggravating antagonist. I hope we don't see too much of him, or if we do he's grown as a person.

And to conclude, Dr. Weir is on a roll: Straight hair, curly hair, straight hair, curly hair. ;) I wonder how long she can keep it up.

Four stars from me!!!

PS- Adored Teyla's "interview" outfit.

TheKatGoddess
August 6th, 2004, 08:31 PM
LOL... the fact that you're commenting on Dr. Weir's hair just makes my day! Nice! *Thumbs up* Smooth! ^_^

Vyse
August 6th, 2004, 08:33 PM
Yeah, the self-destruct thing doesn't make alot of sense. I STILL don't get who these stupid, idiotic wraith could beat the freakin Ancients!

greytop
August 6th, 2004, 08:34 PM
I was surprised that it was Teyla's locket that gave them away. All through the show, I thought it was the security guy, I did not care for him. He must be a marine.

ShadowMaat
August 6th, 2004, 08:36 PM
Weir seemed unnecessarily dense in this ep, following Sgt. Bait's lead (Bait- as in wraith-bait).

Teyla continues to annoy me. This ep was supposed to add depth to her character, I guess, but I find her scenes tedious.

Vyse
August 6th, 2004, 08:41 PM
So far the charcter development hasn't been that good, well except for McKay. I hope this improves in the series.

kiwigater
August 6th, 2004, 08:42 PM
LOL... the fact that you're commenting on Dr. Weir's hair just makes my day! Nice! *Thumbs up* Smooth! ^_^


LMAO! Nice to know I'm not the only one who's confused! (it's like my own little drinking game - curly-staight-curly-straight :p :D :D :D ).

What cracked my up even more (warning - geeky science moment ahead :p ) was when Ford was talking about the "ammonium and potassium percolate" LOL!!! The only thing I know of that percolates is coffee makers :D However, if by chance he meant perchlorate then you might be onto something explosive..... :p :D :D I was having the weirdest visions involving attacking the wraith by chucking coffee makers at them *gurgling laughter* OK, geeky science moment over.... :rolleyes:

I definitely liked that the whole giving their position away was inadvertant :D But it did seem a little silly to bring a Wraith to Atlantis - nice way to invite them to attack the city, and with power and thus shields an issue, doesn't seem the wisest course of action...

And was that a little voice phalanging I heard from the Wraith?? Coolness :D

TheKatGoddess
August 6th, 2004, 08:42 PM
As much as I love McKay and think Sheppard is cool, I would have to say that most of the characters, if not all, still have to grow on me. I think that because the characters are all so 2-D at the moment, the only thing that's gonna keep me watching this show is knowing that I've watched SG-1 right before it and I'm hoping to be impressed.

Vyse
August 6th, 2004, 08:45 PM
As much as I love McKay and think Sheppard is cool, I would have to say that most of the characters, if not all, still have to grow on me. I think that because the characters are all so 2-D at the moment, the only thing that's gonna keep me watching this show is knowing that I've watched SG-1 right before it and I'm hoping to be impressed.

Yeah, exactly. However it's still very early in the series, so I still have hope. At least there's continuity, unlike another nameless horrorible Scifi show. :D

ShadowMaat
August 6th, 2004, 08:45 PM
I'm glad to see that McKay's "we're all doomed" thing was not in evidence this week. In fact, he was arguing for staying until they got all their guys back. I wuv my Wodney. :D

Ford is starting to get wearying and, as Kat said, the others still have to grow. I don't think I'll ever grow to really like them, but... we'll see.

Vyse
August 6th, 2004, 08:47 PM
The thing that annoys me is that I see so much poential for the series, and I'm afraid that it isn't going to live up to it's full potential.

keshou
August 6th, 2004, 08:47 PM
This episode *was* the better of the two airing tonight although I didn't like it as well as last week's "38 Minutes".

Hate the security guy... Mr. weasel face. I did like Weir more in this episode so I'm hoping she's at least not going to annoy me. Teyla.....I'm still on the fence. I just am not loving her. :( She is a good little fighter, though.

Sheppard and McKay I totally love. McKay is still stealing all the best lines although Sheppard had some good ones tonight as well. I like that McKay is becoming a real team member while still retaining his annoying qualities. Not an easy balance. Ford is just there for back-up and the occasional comic relief so far. Can't say I really know much about him but it's still early in the series.

Overall a lot happened, they explored the planet a little, managed to get the Athosians out of Atlantis to the mainland where it looks like they're going to conveniently become farmers for the city *and* they captured a Wraith. I think the captured Wraith is a more convincing bad guy than Marilyn Manson wraith (not saying much) and I'm curious to see what happens with him. The minion wraiths, in spite of jumping back to life, just seem to be your usual cannon fodder nemesis.

So a decent episode, we're gradually learning more about the Pegasus galaxy, Atlantis and our team members and I'm enjoying the ride more than I thought I would. I think there's a lot of potential and I'm hoping it's realized.

Vyse
August 6th, 2004, 08:49 PM
At least Teyla isn't in a catsuit.

TheKatGoddess
August 6th, 2004, 08:52 PM
Like I said, SG-1 is going to be Atlantis's crutch for a while. If the characters don't start showing some sort of massive character growth, I'm gonna lost interest. I think that the only character I'm REALLY hooked on is McKay, and that's because I still think he's a great big, ole adorable jerk! He's the reason I would watch the show! Well, that and Sheppard's funny little quirks!

And not to sound like a pitch for my fanfics, which I HOPE you people will read but are certainly not obligated to, I still like Sheppard simply for the fact that his hair makes him look like he's being going Mach 3 without a helmet!

^_^

By the way, Shadow, thank you for the vote of support on my opinion of the characters! ^_^

ShadowMaat
August 6th, 2004, 08:52 PM
At least Teyla isn't in a catsuit.
Yet. Shhhh.... don't give the writers ideas! :P

I hope we get to see more of Dr. Z, too. I kinda like him. And McKay getting on his case about complaining was classic. ;)

uknesvuinng
August 6th, 2004, 08:54 PM
Yeah, the self-destruct thing doesn't make alot of sense. I STILL don't get who these stupid, idiotic wraith could beat the freakin Ancients!
I think it's possible the Wraith overcame the great Advanced Races Flaw (ARF), arrogance. They know they probably won't be hurt by the herds, but they never know when someone else might show up with comparable tech and force them to drastic measures in order to survive. Even though Wraith and Ancient tech is comparable, the Ancient tech seems to be superior. If the Ancients hadn't been as unprepared as they were, the Wraith probably wouldn't have won and would be extinct now.

Wraith tech seems geared towards the ultimate survival of their race. Their weapons are designed primarily to disable its target so they can be fed upon, while still giving the option to kill the target should the target prove to dangerous to preserve for feeding. Their ships allow them to go to where the food is and collect it quickly. Their self-destruct allows them to prevent information from being collected by dangerous enemies during first contacts, as far as the enemy would be concerned, some unknown force took out their people. Their "dietary requirements" and purpose of racial survival has shaped their culture and tactics into something other than most races' MOs.

Persephone
August 6th, 2004, 08:55 PM
Weir seemed unnecessarily dense in this ep, following Sgt. Bait's lead.

Honestly, I think it was just this that makes her not dense. She very specifically told Sheppard she was trying to look at all angles and explore all options. I don't think she was "following Bates' lead," she was just making a conscious decision that his recommendations had merit. Dr. Weir has more things to consider in her position than just what she might want. As she pointed out to John, SHE appointed Bates, and I love the very subtle and unspoken powerplay in that brief moment when she gave him a meaningful look, which could be interpreted a number of ways, I suppose. To me it said "Think before you act without conferring with me, chap."

In the end, you'll note, she overrode Bates's recommendation. She is NOT being strung along.

TheKatGoddess
August 6th, 2004, 08:58 PM
Good point, but you have to admit that she took the quickest and most suspicious option. Maybe it was just caution, but she made it seemed like she had little to no confidence in the people in the city.

uknesvuinng
August 6th, 2004, 09:00 PM
One more thing that no one's mentioned yet, Atlantica. Yeah, no more naming stuff for Ford.

ShadowMaat
August 6th, 2004, 09:01 PM
Perhaps... I guess my general dislike of Weir is clouding my judgement. ;)

As for the Wraith... the suicide bomb thing seems a little cliche. If the wraith are supposed to be so alien from us, then why are they sticking to human standards in things like that?

Or if you're gonna have a self-destruct, have one that wipes out all life in a two-mile radius along with you.

Vyse
August 6th, 2004, 09:02 PM
I think it's possible the Wraith overcame the great Advanced Races Flaw (ARF), arrogance. They know they probably won't be hurt by the herds, but they never know when someone else might show up with comparable tech and force them to drastic measures in order to survive. Even though Wraith and Ancient tech is comparable, the Ancient tech seems to be superior. If the Ancients hadn't been as unprepared as they were, the Wraith probably wouldn't have won and would be extinct now.

Wraith tech seems geared towards the ultimate survival of their race. Their weapons are designed primarily to disable its target so they can be fed upon, while still giving the option to kill the target should the target prove to dangerous to preserve for feeding. Their ships allow them to go to where the food is and collect it quickly. Their self-destruct allows them to prevent information from being collected by dangerous enemies during first contacts, as far as the enemy would be concerned, some unknown force took out their people. Their "dietary requirements" and purpose of racial survival has shaped their culture and tactics into something other than most races' MOs.

I can see the wraith taking over a small number of planets, but after like the second one I'd imagine that the ancients would get their act together and destroy them. The Wraith tech seems FAR below ancient standards.

TheKatGoddess
August 6th, 2004, 09:06 PM
No more naming stuff for Ford. I love him... but... no. The only good name he had was Gateship. That was pretty cool, although I like Puddle Jumper just as much!

And the only thing I can think of is... maybe the Wraith aren't the ones who actually defeated the Ancients? Did anyone say that it was the Wraith specifically, or does everyone just assume that? Because I'm starting to think that there's maybe a higher level of Wraith-like creatures out there... hopefully significantly more intelligent.

Persephone
August 6th, 2004, 09:06 PM
Good point, but you have to admit that she took the quickest and most suspicious option. Maybe it was just caution, but she made it seemed like she had little to no confidence in the people in the city.

Good point, as well. Although I can still understand her position, I can also understand the viewpoint of the Athosians. She would seem very callused to an outsider.


I agree that the self-destruct thing seems out of place for the Wraith. Maybe it's something that will be explored later...

Vyse
August 6th, 2004, 09:06 PM
One more thing that no one's mentioned yet, Atlantica. Yeah, no more naming stuff for Ford.

Atlantica was dumb, but I still like Gate-ship more than Puddle-Jumper

uknesvuinng
August 6th, 2004, 09:08 PM
I can see the wraith taking over a small number of planets, but after like the second one I'd imagine that the ancients would get their act together and destroy them. The Wraith tech seems FAR below ancient standards.

They don't need to take over planets, just "pick the fields".

Also, we've yet to see the weapons they have for their motherships. Not to mention we know they have ships all over the galaxy now. Their main tactics are sheer numbers. The numbers and preparedness of the Wraith were probably the main factors of their success against the Ancients.

Vyse
August 6th, 2004, 09:08 PM
No more naming stuff for Ford. I love him... but... no. The only good name he had was Gateship. That was pretty cool, although I like Puddle Jumper just as much!

And the only thing I can think of is... maybe the Wraith aren't the ones who actually defeated the Ancients? Did anyone say that it was the Wraith specifically, or does everyone just assume that? Because I'm starting to think that there's maybe a higher level of Wraith-like creatures out there... hopefully significantly more intelligent.

I hope you are right, I can't stand how stupid the wraith are.

Vyse
August 6th, 2004, 09:11 PM
They don't need to take over planets, just "pick the fields".

Also, we've yet to see the weapons they have for their motherships. Not to mention we know they have ships all over the galaxy now. Their main tactics are sheer numbers. The numbers and preparedness of the Wraith were probably the main factors of their success against the Ancients.

But since the ancients would know about an attack, I still think they would have installed shields on all of their outposts, so that numbers wouldn't matter.

uknesvuinng
August 6th, 2004, 09:18 PM
But since the ancients would know about an attack, I still think they would have installed shields on all of their outposts, so that numbers wouldn't matter.
The holo-recording tells us plenty. They worlds were already thriving before the Ancients even knew the Wraith existed. The Ancients were unprepared and the Wraith swept quickly over the unprotected planets, forcing the Ancients back to their city which had the shield. They didn't know the attacks were coming, the didn't have time to put shields up.

And yes, it's possible the Wraith aren't the one's that beat the Ancients. The recording consistently said "dark enemy", without stating a name for them. The producers have effectively said the Wraith are the enemy in the Lowdown, but you really can't say anything's canon until it's been shown on the show. Writers can change their minds before an episode is produced, but once it's aired, it's out there.

greytop
August 6th, 2004, 09:27 PM
At least McKay only mentioned food, he didn't have any in hand or mouth through the whole ep. :rolleyes: :) :D

TheKatGoddess
August 6th, 2004, 09:29 PM
Okay, well, I couldn't remember if they said Wraith or something else. But, yeah, I mean, it wouldn't surprise me that the Wraith stay the BIG villians, kinda like the Asgard are physical and cool, but the Ancients were twenty times more powerful. I'm waiting to see some sort of ethereal bad guy!

Lucia Tanaka
August 6th, 2004, 10:27 PM
At least McKay only mentioned food, he didn't have any in hand or mouth through the whole ep. :rolleyes: :) :D

True, the guy does tend to eat a lot. ^.^ And he's complaining the rations are limited? Gee, I wonder why. ~.^

I'm noticing people are starting to like McKay more. I don't blame them. I mean, he started at as a nearly one-sided egomaniac but now he's a character. Rodney's still a bit of a jerk, but he knows when to shut up. Personally, I think he's not a jerk, just a little snarky. ^.^ And what's a genius without a bit of snarkiness?

~Lucia

PS: I have a confession. I also like airplane food.... and hospital food ain't bad.... Never tried military rations though. *ponders*

verachuta
August 6th, 2004, 10:29 PM
ya know, that amulet has bothered me from the instant he picked it up and he said it must of shined because of the torch and then the wraith showed up and started blasting...

Major Fischer
August 6th, 2004, 10:34 PM
So, didn't like it as much as 38 Minutes, I'd say the series is hitting about on the better end of SG-1's first season. Their misses aren't quite as bad (we all must hang our heads in shame, Emancipation), but they aren't hitting them consistently yet.

Two problems i had: 1) The self distruct on the Wraith seemed out of place, 2) Why in the teaser did they stand and stare at the gate after they were through while they were taking fire? It seemed like begging to get hit. Cover people! Dive for cover!

Not bad. Not great. Character building. So I guess I'll do this by character.

Dr. Weir: I like her, wasn't thrilled with the way she let Bates play McCarthy for most of the episode, but it wasn't entirely unreasonable and she did the initiative to say 'these are my decisions, and I know the consequences of them.' I still like her, I'd just say this wasn't her shinning moment. Good characters have less than great moments.

Maj. Sheppard: He's growing on me, he was saying the things I kept wanting to say. Good man.

Tayla: Liked her better as far as the writing goes, the actress doesn't thrill me with her delivery, but hey. The stick fighting was nifty ;)

McKay: Also starting to grow on me. At least he's not ANNOYING me.

Sgt. Bates: Seemed cliche and one dimentional. If we see him again I hope he gets a personality beyond 'I like Joe McCarthy, a LOT.'

Dr. Z: Thank god that's settled. It's a Czech republic flag.

ToastBusters
August 6th, 2004, 10:41 PM
Hey everyone, did the self destruct remind anyone else of the movie predator???

"You are ONE... UGLY..."

:rolleyes:

gwangung
August 6th, 2004, 11:11 PM
Good point, but you have to admit that she took the quickest and most suspicious option. Maybe it was just caution, but she made it seemed like she had little to no confidence in the people in the city.

Well, yeah....You're all alone, 350 million light years from backup, with very uncertain allies...the DEFAULT mode should be the most cautious, suspicious option.

gwangung
August 6th, 2004, 11:13 PM
No more naming stuff for Ford. I love him... but... no. The only good name he had was Gateship. That was pretty cool, although I like Puddle Jumper just as much!

And the only thing I can think of is... maybe the Wraith aren't the ones who actually defeated the Ancients? Did anyone say that it was the Wraith specifically, or does everyone just assume that? Because I'm starting to think that there's maybe a higher level of Wraith-like creatures out there... hopefully significantly more intelligent.

Could be that all we met are the Cannon-Fodder Level Wraiths. And we haven't met any Wraiths with a head for strategy. Let alone the Command Level Wraiths.

Adamixoye
August 6th, 2004, 11:27 PM
Here's how I feel about the various characters at this point:

Characters I think are great: Sheppard, McKay, Beckett. I think Sheppard is a great lead for this series. All three of these guys are hilarious, and I hope we see more McKay/Beckett interaction in the future.

Characters that I like but could use some work: Teyla, Ford, Dr. Z. Teyla bores me a little when she's talking to her people, but otherwise I like her. Ford and Dr. Z are just underdeveloped at this point, but I like them so far and I think they'll end up fine.

Characters that I'm ambivalent about: Weir, the tall, hippie-Athosian guy whose name I forget. These characters are just a little boring to me, but not to the point of dislike.

Characters that are going to get on my nerves: The token jerk-of-the-week, e.g. Sgt. Find-the-Spy and Dr. Ponytail. If all the non-main characters are going to be like this, then no thanks, let's just focus on the main ones.

Adamixoye
August 6th, 2004, 11:40 PM
Could be that all we met are the Cannon-Fodder Level Wraiths. And we haven't met any Wraiths with a head for strategy. Let alone the Command Level Wraiths.
Yes, there's that. We've just met drones, the Keeper, and That Guy.

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Yu Huang Shang Ti
August 7th, 2004, 12:47 AM
I don't really have a problem with the drone soldiers, because they seem like a cheaper but more plentiful version of the Kull warriors. Single-minded, nameless/faceless zombies who get up after you shoot them (even in the head!) just cry out "strength in numbers", and at this point, that looks like the major advantage the Wraith had over the Ancients. And the speaking-role Wraith tried sneaking around the main group while the grunts were engaging them, so it's not like they're complete idiots.

Buzz Lightyear
August 7th, 2004, 01:31 AM
Security Dude is so stereotypical it's amazing that he didn't flatten out into 2-D from the sheer force of his own clichè-ness.

I don't think he's stereotypical so much as single-minded about base security. He also clearly dislikes Sheppard and resents him for "usurping" the command that was Colonel Sumner's. And as it turned out, he wasn't entirely wrong to be suspicious of Teyla or the Athosians. If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have found out about the necklace transmitter. They probably should check the other Athosians for similar necklaces or trinkets.


I want to know why it never occurred to anyone that the leaking of info could be inadvertent. I know it's the first thing I thought of. But maybe I'm just weird. ;)

Inadvertent in what way exactly? That the recon teams keep tripping silent alarms at all the planets they visit? What were you thinking of?

Buzz Lightyear
August 7th, 2004, 01:48 AM
That however brings up a question. If the Wraith guy was so eager to blow himself up, why did he let the threat of death stop him? I would rather they had shot him a second time and it disabled him enough to remove the self-destruct device.

The device was on his left wrist. He was about to activate it with his right hand but Sheppard prevented that by stepping on the right arm.


Sgt. Security (I forget his actual name) got on my nerves some. He seemed determined to find an Athosian guilty of subterfuge. His close-mindedness probably would have allowed the security leak to go on much longer had a human been the unwilling spy in the ranks.

While I agree Sgt. Bates seemed convinced an Athosian was a spy, it was also his dogged determination to ferret out the truth that led to the discovery about the necklace transmitter.

Mio
August 7th, 2004, 03:39 AM
Anyone else notice that after they came through, one of them yelled 'Shut down the gate!' or something to that effect?

Manic
August 7th, 2004, 05:05 AM
One thing I'm having a problem with is the lack of "first contact" missions we get to see. In risk of comparing shows, SG-1 had a bunch of missions where they simply wandered onto a planet and the met the people. This has only happened on Atlantis when they met the Athosians. I want to see what some of the civilizations look like in Pegasus.

It was still a fairly good episode, though. Nothing exceptional, but nothing horrible.

I knew from the start that someone was accidentally tipping off the Wraith. I'm surprised it was Teyla's neckless, though. I thought that someone might've gotten tagged when they escaped the tree-covered Wraith ship in the first episode.

Now that the Athosians are both in the clear and moved out of the city, we might finally get to see Teyla do something besides be eye-candy who has to babysit the same small group of people constantly. Plus I was getting really tired of Halling. The actor needs to tone down the melodrama just a smidge.

Lt. Ford: The puddlejumper co-pilot who nearly dies in every episode. He's either getting shot at by Wraith, bumping his head, getting absored by an energy blob, or getting sucked into the vaccum of space. The only thing he ever does is provide military presence in off-world scenes, and throw out the occasional joke possibly involving a really bad name. We did get to see his expertise in weaponry in this episode, so I guess that's a plus.

I wonder if Dr. Weir discovered one of those Jane Jetson hair-styling helmets on Atlantis. Or maybe she just brought some hair-care products alongside her toothbrush and other toilettries.

I stand by the theory that maybe these are just the fodder-wraith we've seen. For all we know, there could be some meglomaniacal Wraith waiting in motherships, equally as evil and cunning as some of our favorite System Lords (ie. Baal, Yu, and Apophis). There's still a lot of episodes left to air this season, so they might be building up to the main villain's intro.

Escrima-style fighting kicks a**.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I was expecting a bug to crawl out of Sgt. Bates' butt, and hit everyone with the stick also up his butt. He wouldn't be so uptight if he was getting some Athosian bootay, like Maj. Sheppard.

I think my only problem with Dr. Weir is intentional. She looks very uncomfortable in the leadership role, and I think that's the point. She comes off as overly stiff, possibly because she needs to set an example. She's already on a first name basis with her crew (Rodney, John, Carson, ect.). I think she's going to be a very casual leader with time.

But despite any complaints I might have, it's still only the 5th episode. A whole lot can happen before the season is through.

Slainte
August 7th, 2004, 05:26 AM
Excellent character development between Weir and Teyla in this episode. The scene in the interview room between Teyla, Weir and Sgt. Bates(?) was great. Teyla basically ignored Bates and spoke to Weir as one leader to another. And, with tone of voice and expression, Teyla let Bates know just what she thought of his "interrogation" skills. Weir did, too.

The scenes between Weir and Teyla in this episode have really started developing their working relationship. This may the one really unique aspect of Atlantis.

Teal'c
August 7th, 2004, 05:29 AM
Anyone else notice that after they came through, one of them yelled 'Shut down the gate!' or something to that effect?
I forget who said it, but there are two explainations:

1) Person who said it knows very little about gate travel.
2) It's a new feature built into the Atlantis gate, which could come in handy...

Anyway, great episode. No 38 Minutes, but good none-the-less, better than SG-1's "Season 3 episode" (I've started to notice a trend with the 5th episode of an SG-1 Season :P)

I love these name you folks are coming up with when you can't remember the character's names though :P Sgt. Secutiry, Dr. Ponytail (I really like that one :P)

So, now Mr. Wraith will probably be forgotten about for a few episodes, then bad things will happen :D

OhForCryinOutLoud
August 7th, 2004, 05:32 AM
Excellent character development between Weir and Teyla in this episode. The scene in the interview room between Teyla, Weir and Sgt. Bates(?) was great. Teyla basically ignored Bates and spoke to Weir as one leader to another. And, with tone of voice and expression, Teyla let Bates know just what she thought of his "interrogation" skills. Weir did, too.

The scenes between Weir and Teyla in this episode have really started developing their working relationship. This may the one really unique aspect of Atlantis.
Yes, I totally agree!
And as far as the "spy" is concerned - I thought it was pretty obvious that the Wraith must be attracted by Sheppard or something about the re-activation of Atlantis. Why torture their visitors throughout the entire ep? Suspicion is one thing, but they're not the only new thing around to focus on!

aAnubiSs
August 7th, 2004, 06:36 AM
The ep was good.

One thing I like about Atlantis is that they give us information about the Ancients and the galaxy a little bit each episode, instead of everything in 2 eps like SG1.


THE POST BELOW MINE HAS SPOILERS FOR THE EPISODE: THE DEFIANT ONE. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE SPOILER SPACE. PROCEED WITH CAUTION!

shockwave
August 7th, 2004, 06:48 AM
So, now Mr. Wraith will probably be forgotten about for a few episodes, then bad things will happen :D

As for Mr. Wraith, in the episode "The Defiant One", Sheppard is stuck on a planet alone with a very pissed of Wraith, most likely this is the wraith they captured in this episode.(hightight)


Best ep so far, next to Rising

aAnubiSs
August 7th, 2004, 06:48 AM
Shockwave: Spoiler space or I'll have to kill you.

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August 7th, 2004, 07:22 AM
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Inadvertent in what way exactly? That the recon teams keep tripping silent alarms at all the planets they visit? What were you thinking of?
First off, what about those special genes? The Wraith lay dormant until Sheppard and his merry band of genetic lucksters showed up on Teyla's world, now they show up wherever Shep goes. I'd be taking a careful look at the people on Shep's team. There's also a lot of tech floating around which the SGA crew doesn't understand. If someone is carrying around something they're trying to puzzle out (like McKay for example), then it could be that there device acts as a transmitter. Then there's the fact that Shep fell victim to that bug. It was injecting SOMETHING into him. Maybe it was more than a simple neurotoxin. I'm sure others have had close brushes with the Wraith, isn't it possible that one or more of them could have been "tagged"? One of 'em could even be the local equivalent of a za'tarc. If you're keeping yourself open to all of the options then you should be willing to consider something beyond, "It must be them dirty stinkin' aliens!"

aAnubiSs
August 7th, 2004, 07:29 AM
haha, edited our posts at the same time :>

shockwave
August 7th, 2004, 07:30 AM
Nuby- how about editing your post above shock's to warn people that there are unwarned spoilers in the post below yours? If he's too stupid to remember it on hiw own and there are no mods around to fix it, we can at least try and help some of the others from getting unwittingly spoiled..."

Don't worry, I've edited it and put the spoilers in white, I just forgot for one moment :cool:

aAnubiSs
August 7th, 2004, 07:31 AM
White text isn't that good. Since if someone quotes you it will show up as regular text.

shockwave
August 7th, 2004, 07:53 AM
Well, I don't really think anyone is going to quote that post


I kinda expected it to be Teyla's necklace, they spend a lot of time with it in Rising, part 1

DJFavorite
August 7th, 2004, 08:35 AM
I thought the episode was pretty good. I knew that somehow Sheppard was part of the reason the Wraith kept showing up. I just never thought it was the necklace that Teyla was wearing. I kept thinking it had to do with the bug from last week.

The finding land on the Atlantis planet was cool. I hope though they don't just move Teyla's people (I can never remember their name.) to the land mass and then never deal with them again. I'm hoping they work together for growing food, etc. and develop a trusting relationship with each other.

I'm thinking capturing that Wraith may have been a bad thing to do, but then it should give some good episodes in the future (if the TPTB don't mess it up.)

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August 7th, 2004, 12:00 PM
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First off, what about those special genes? The Wraith lay dormant until Sheppard and his merry band of genetic lucksters showed up on Teyla's world, now they show up wherever Shep goes. I'd be taking a careful look at the people on Shep's team. There's also a lot of tech floating around which the SGA crew doesn't understand. If someone is carrying around something they're trying to puzzle out (like McKay for example), then it could be that there device acts as a transmitter. Then there's the fact that Shep fell victim to that bug. It was injecting SOMETHING into him. Maybe it was more than a simple neurotoxin. I'm sure others have had close brushes with the Wraith, isn't it possible that one or more of them could have been "tagged"? One of 'em could even be the local equivalent of a za'tarc. If you're keeping yourself open to all of the options then you should be willing to consider something beyond, "It must be them dirty stinkin' aliens!"

Yes, that was the biggest flaw in the episode. They didn't consider inadvertent tipoffs like unique isotopes from Teyla's world. Think they should have to make the reveal stronger.

Tokraed
August 7th, 2004, 12:07 PM
I don't know if its a plot hole, but that whole little necklace activation thing is confusing me. :(

Actually, the whole bit with the necklace was pretty cool and very clever.

To me, one glaring plot hole was the fact that the wormhole was shut down by the receiving end.

As long as it has an open connection, the the gate won't shut down on either end. If the wraiths were trying to overrun Atlantis 1, wouldn't they have done something to keep the gate open for the remainder of the 35 minutes?

On Stargate, Hammond used to put the iris up the instant the team came through, which wouldn't turn off the gate but it would stop unwelcome tourists. The fact that the SGC couldn't shut down the gate has been the basis for several episodes, including that Sokar one.


The second glaring plot hole was that annoying Sgt. in charge of security. Three words to the writers and the director: Chain Of Command. Since Sheppard is the ranking military officer AND the officer in charge, that Sgt. would also report to him, not just Weir. He also wouldn't be THAT insubordinate early on to either commander.

I found the Sgt. and the accusation of the Athosians as spies very tired and trite.

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August 7th, 2004, 12:18 PM
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When McKay first appeared on SG-1, I really wanted him to walk face-first into something hard. When I heard he was returning in Atlantis, though, I was looking forward to it. I knew he would add an element if interest especially since he was a known character.

When he was in the hospital bed, I lmao. He is very good with comedy and I love his sarcasm. (birds of a feather) I like David Hewlett's (sp?) interpretation of the character. Absolutely perfect. The more I watch, the more I like him. :)

I liked Dr. Weir's hair in this ep and I thought the blue shirt looked nice too. It'll be interesting to see how many clothing changes everyone makes since they were only able to bring along a limited amount of stuff.

One thing I don't like. I know the scenes are not necessarily filmed in sequence and people do have to move around till the next shot is set up. Isn't someone supposed to make sure that when the actor returns to a previous pose, it's the same??? Example...

When Sheppard was hit with the Wraith stun thingy (brain fart) and he fell, his right arm was close to his side and bent so that his hand was laying partially on his abdomen. The next shot is Sheppard laying with both arms raised over his shoulders. :confused:

This also happened in *38 Minutes*... When Teyla was trying to remove the bug from Sheppard's neck, his head was leaning toward the bug. When she finally removed it, his head was perfectly upright. :S

Now that I've vented, I have to say that I absolutely adore Atlantis. I think the characters are developing nicely. McKay is hilarious. Ford is young but will probably be forced to grow up fast with future eps. Sheppard is a hottie. Teyla is strong and can hold her own. Dr. Weir is still trying to find her groove.

Sorry about the length of this one. This is my first post and I had and still have a lot to say but it'll wait till next time.

Jelmer
August 7th, 2004, 12:54 PM
I actually thought this one was better then "38 minutes", although it was far from perfect it was very interesting and had some real solutions for the continuing storyline. The thing that others have brought up and is still anoying me is the way Dr. Weir handles her leadership, the biggest problem I have with it is how she handles those that are on the verge of insurbordination. The scientist from the previous episode who disagreed with her came off way too easily, although he may have been reprimanded after the episode's end I'm not counting on it. Also the way she handled the discussion between Sheppard and Sgt. Bates about Teyla was annoying me, she should have at least make it appear that she agreed with Sheppard - he is her 2IC and she shouldn't appear to agree more with Bates then with him, even when she does, it compromises Sheppard's position. And certainly on a isolated base like Atlantis where Weir & Sheppard are boss, judge & exicutioner while there isn't any active contact with earth there can't be any question about leadership. Weir and Sheppard should listen to critisism but they should reprimand and stop insurbordination way sooner then normally would be done.

Contrary to others I wasn't surprised by the Wraith blowing himself up. The wraith consist of Females (like in Rising) which seemed in command, Males (like the guy the captured this episode) which seem to be lower but still in commanding positions and drones (those with maskes) which don't really seem to have any real self-serving intersts. So the drone killing himself was only logical. The male wanting to blow himself up was also logical as the wraith seem to be a race with highly developed thinking which makes it plausible that they would put the survival of their people above their own lives (according to the psychological theory of Kohlberg that would put them in the moral development stage of 4 out of 5 while humans are tipically between 2 and 3, 5 is only rarely reached).

The somewhat xenophobic Bates was really annoying, moreso because he was partially right in the end. But while I thought he was annoying his thinking wasn't entirely wrong, on the contrary I think he was mostly right. It was just the way he went about it and put words to it that was wrong. The reason I don't think he was wrong is because all wars have proven that whenever there's a war and everyone knows who the bad guy is, there is almost always someone crazy enough to side with the bad guys in the hope of preserving his or her own life - and I was very surprised that no one actually made that point. These people aren't necesarily bad people, mostly they will rationalize it in any way so they think it's actually the right thing to do (even when logically their reasoning would be insane) but those people are real cowards. Look at the commander from SG-1's "Homecoming", he actually thought he was saving his people by turning SG-1 over to Anubis.

And very much like someone else already mentioned I was surprised no one at the Atlantis base considered a non human leak, some kind of technology causing their location to be given away. I was thinking about some tap on the Stargate system or something along those lines. But I thought it was a very good solution they made up, I didn't see it coming and I was actually thinking of Bates puting something in Tayla's bag to implicate her when McKay was getting Sheppard and started explaining.

Newbie
August 7th, 2004, 01:14 PM
Good episode. But I'm really upset that Teyla was not developed as much as I hoped, however she did a little more that in previews eps. McKay got shot, IN THE FACE, lmao!!! Ford is naming things again, hilarious. And Sheppars is the man. Great ep!!! And finally got rid of those Athousians...more room, less cast! :D

Lugal
August 7th, 2004, 02:19 PM
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I thought it was a pretty good ep. We get to see them face off against the Morlocks, er I mean the Wraith, for the first time since Rising.

My first assumption was some kind of Wraith mind control on those captured in Rising and it could have been either Athosian or a human in the SGA team.

I thought Weir was a bit harsh and could have been a little more diplomatic, but I could understand why she did what she did. Bates irritated the hell out of me. I hope Ford gets more to do in future eps.

Favorite line:
McKay: Uh gan dahg!
Sheppard: He can't talk either.

acdj31
August 7th, 2004, 02:41 PM
Spoilers:Whole Series




It was an okay ep. Things I loved: McKay hit in the face. McKay liking MREs and hospital food. Finding the Sky roof to the Jumper Bay. Finding land. Ford still trying to name things. Teyla kicking butt with that stick fighting, she got moves. Teyla and Weir interaction throughout the whole show. Getting a bad guy. Loved the necklace, wish I had one.

Things I hated: Sgt. Bates, too mean. Why does every new person in the ep have to be mean? I wish we got to see more of the land, maybe in a future ep. I wish that Teyla did not have to give up the necklace; I guess I liked it on her.

prion
August 7th, 2004, 03:59 PM
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sn't someone supposed to make sure that when the actor returns to a previous pose, it's the same??? Example...

When Sheppard was hit with the Wraith stun thingy (brain fart) and he fell, his right arm was close to his side and bent so that his hand was laying partially on his abdomen. The next shot is Sheppard laying with both arms raised over his shoulders. :confused:

This also happened in *38 Minutes*... When Teyla was trying to remove the bug from Sheppard's neck, his head was leaning toward the bug. When she finally removed it, his head was perfectly upright. :S
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Oh, I've started collecting all the notes on when Sheppard is unconscious, or immobile, but his limbs are in the wrong position. The continuity person is supposed to track this kind of stuff. The actor may do it it in so many different positions as the director says, let's try this, no, try that, and they they choose a scene later, and really, how many people are sitting there (besides me? :D ) going, Oh, look, he's flat out unconscious but he can move his arm back to his gun! I mean, watch his legs in "38 minutes". Such fun :p

Ugly Pig
August 7th, 2004, 04:23 PM
Shut up and pay attention! Here's


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Suspicion'

Good episode! But... It's been three months since our heroes came to Atlantis. And they've been on nine missions. How come we haven't seen any of them? I suppose it is logical to conclude that nothing of particular interest happened on these trips, but I thought that Stargate Atlantis would, by "starting from scratch", be going back to the kind of "exploring the galaxy" type of stories SG-1 used to tell. Yet, after five episodes we have yet to get even one "regular" exploration episode. I'm not complaining - I've loved the series so far - it's just an observation.

Anyway - I enjoyed the show. Teyla finally gets significant screentime, and I actually liked her this time. With the disgruntled Athosians and the suspicion and everything I had expected her to play the part that Halling ended up playing. I was pleasantly surprised by her understanding attitude towards Weir, and her lack of complaining.

As for the rest of the characters: It appears the team members must have been growing closer to each other over the three months in Atlantis. They show concern for each other (Felt kind of strange to see McKay so passionately sticking up for his team mates, rather than just complaining and making sarcastic comments - of which there were unusually few this time, by the way) and they all seemed genuinely certain of Teyla's innocence. However there still hasn't been much for Ford to do. Loved him bringing along a "nice turkey sandwich" this time, though. Guess they learned in 'Rising' that the Puddle Jumper can only do so much.

One thing kind of bothered me: Weir hesitating to lower the shield for Teyla. Hello! She's a member of the team! You don't risk her life like that just because someone started suspecting her three seconds ago!

Plot stuff!!
- So, Teyla's necklace was the culprit. I remember someone guessing that on the forum sometime earlier this week... Good call, whoever it was! I knew that scene of Sheppard finding it in 'Rising' was there for a reason. Now it turns out, that reason wasn't Sheppard/Teyla ship being built up after all. Still no sign of the "playful sexual tension" between those two characters. Just as well.
- The Wraith weapon is only designed to stun. I wouldn't have guessed... But it makes sense. They need their victims to be alive in order to be able to feed upon their life force. (Heh... I was dissapointed when McKay went numb in the face in the beginning. McKay can't talk? Where's the fun in that? Good thing he recovered quickly. Oh, and speaking of him getting hit by the Wraith stunner - when the team came through the gate in the beginning I fully expected them to just stop and stand there as if they were safe right in front of it, as SG-1 have done several times. Hello?! How about getting the heck out of the way in case they fire on the gate on the other side?? And then, of course, McKay did get hit. Nice touch.)
- The Athosians moved to the main land! Presumably this means we won't have to see them again in every episode. Yay!
- The captured Wraith! I so didn't see that one coming! Enjoyed the brief interrogation scene by Sheppard. I wonder where this plot thread will go in the future. They took a big risk in bringing him to Atlantis, though - if he escapes, the Wraith as a whole will know for sure where the humans from Earth are. Trouble.

Oh, and one more good thing about the episode: The outdoors balcony scene. I've been missing outdoors scenes in Atlantis, and hope to see more in future episodes. I mean there's gotta be streets in the city, right? Not just insides of big buildings? The sets are great, but let's see more of the city!

And... We get the very first Atlantis "previously-on"! Now we know whose voice we will be hearing in every two-parter for the next eight years... :D

That's it, I'm done.

nthanki
August 7th, 2004, 04:49 PM
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Maj. Sheppard developes his role as the military leader very well. He has strong authority and is not afraid to use that authority. he is only a Major and usually (correct me if i'm wrong) an officer with the rank of a Colonel is the commanding officer, i know that col. summners is dead but Maj. Sheppard is handling this authority very well.

When the roof in the jumper bay retracted i was kinda hoping for a larger ship of some sort (it does sound wacky but you never know) but the whole exploring the planet idea is great, i hope TPTB have plans to do more with the world instead of just keeping it in the main city.

Ugly Pig
August 7th, 2004, 04:52 PM
One thing I forgot to mention is that I like the fact that this episode does establish on-screen that the Wraith do indeed get up after getting shot. Unless you really pump them full the way Teyla did, I guess.

Sheppard's Flock
August 7th, 2004, 05:21 PM
Prion, I'm glad I'm not the only one that notices these things. :D

CyberKnight
August 7th, 2004, 05:22 PM
from McKay. Loved his scene with Dr. Z (who is definitely Czech). Although if McKay is such a gourmand, what's with liking MREs and hospital food? He was whining about being sent to Siberia because of the food, but MREs he likes? Is Russian food THAT bad?
Ummmm you've never had an MRE have you. From what I have heard it's like eating gorumet food.
(Felt kind of strange to see McKay so passionately sticking up for his team mates, rather than just complaining and making sarcastic comments - of which there were unusually few this time, by the way)
Actually there were quite a few sarcastic comments from McKay. His sarcasm though was directed towards good purposes. (at that arrogant soilder)

Ugly Pig
August 7th, 2004, 05:27 PM
To me, one glaring plot hole was the fact that the wormhole was shut down by the receiving end.
As seen in one of the previous episodes (don't remember which one), the gate control panel in Atlantis has a button which shuts down the gate. I believe it's the same button you open it with after punching in the address, like on a DHD.

The DHD's don't have a way to shut down the gates at all, so this is obviously an upgrade. Perhaps the Ancients redesigned it so you would be able to shut down incoming wormholes as well as outgoing ones. Just a thought...

Major Fischer
August 7th, 2004, 05:38 PM
Ummmm you've never had an MRE have you. From what I have heard it's like eating gorumet food.
Actually there were quite a few sarcastic comments from McKay. His sarcasm though was directed towards good purposes. (at that arrogant soilder)

MRE's are quite good these days. Pick one up sometime to try it if you don't believe me. Full of nifty items too. The things you learn that can be done with the little thing of Tabasco sauce....

ShadowMaat
August 7th, 2004, 06:11 PM
Ummmm you've never had an MRE have you.
Actually, I have. And they were terrible. But I also don't know how old they were. ;) With my luck, they were hold-outs from the Vietnam War...

I actually kinda like airline food, myself. Depending on the meal. But the portions are usually a bit small, even for me- which is really saying something. If McKay likes big portions, I can understand his complaint. ;)

Also, I don't know who that second quote is from, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't me.

Major Fischer
August 7th, 2004, 06:18 PM
Might have been Shadow, they also changed them in the last ten years or so sometime. I had one in 1991 that was one of the worst things I've eaten in my life, but I also had quite a number as recently as a few months ago and they were really quite good.

ShadowMaat
August 7th, 2004, 06:23 PM
Maybe it's time to go hunting again. ;) Although I still love what Wang Paul called 'em in Space: Above & Beyond: Meals Rejected by the Enemy. hehe. Everyone has their fave definition of MRE. That one's mine. :D

I still want to know if Russian food is really that bad...

Yu Huang Shang Ti
August 7th, 2004, 07:30 PM
I used to get modern MREs from a military surplus store for quick lunches. They're really pretty good, provided you don't need your food or drinks warm.

As for shutting the gate down... either these gates can be manually deactivated (although I kinda hope not, having to weather enemy attacks makes for nice action), or the guy who said "shut down the gate!" didn't fully understand how gates work and it was just a coincidence. Hrm...

Newbie
August 7th, 2004, 08:40 PM
Never tried MRE....but have tried Russin food...ofcourse I have...I'm Russina....wht and idot...anyway..what was i gonna stay....stop talking to yourself...oh yea...Russian foooooood!!! Good food, soups, salads, a lot of bread and potatos...good food, WAY better than fast food ;) you just gotta have it home made, some real Russian friend gotta do it..never go to the restaraunt...they make it wierd...

McKay & Sheppard in Wiers office talking about the medalion...McKay's remark about Sheppard saying something - FUNNY....but don't remember...

gwangung
August 8th, 2004, 12:20 AM
As seen in one of the previous episodes (don't remember which one), the gate control panel in Atlantis has a button which shuts down the gate. I believe it's the same button you open it with after punching in the address, like on a DHD.

The DHD's don't have a way to shut down the gates at all, so this is obviously an upgrade. Perhaps the Ancients redesigned it so you would be able to shut down incoming wormholes as well as outgoing ones. Just a thought...

Hmm. With neighbors like the Wraith, I wonder why....

jyh
August 8th, 2004, 06:46 AM
I thought it odd that Weir--the diplomat--immediately wanted to follow drastic measures to isolate the Athosians (is that their name??) in order to determine if they're the source of the leak. I know she had to protect all the Atlantis crew, but it seemed odd, especially when...

Sheppard--the military guy--argues that such an act would be unfair and not nice. Doesn't that seem backward, like they're each thinking the way the other person should think? THe military guy should be hard-line, and the diplomat should be more open to non-extreme alternatives.

I too didn't like the new security guy, Stackhouse. And I thought it odd that Weir appointed him as security chief. I would have thought that security would have been in Sheppard's bailywick, and HE would have been in charge of appointing a head of security. (And it doesn't sound like he would've chosen Stackhouse.)

Just my two cents....

aAnubiSs
August 8th, 2004, 06:52 AM
If there was a spy, which wasn't an Arthosian, then he could just wait until the Athosians were back on Atlantis. It doesn't take much intelligence to do that.

jyh
August 8th, 2004, 07:41 AM
If there was a spy, which wasn't an Arthosian, then he could just wait until the Athosians were back on Atlantis. It doesn't take much intelligence to do that.


I take it this is in reply to something in my post. To which point exactly are you referring? :S

hooliocah
August 8th, 2004, 07:48 AM
McKay: "How could I possibly know that? What am I, Answerman?"

IWantToBelieve
August 8th, 2004, 07:55 AM
They've changed MRE's a lot. My DH brought some home a while back after one of their exercises they go on. Back when I was in (long time ago), it was the cold, dried stuff. Not great. Now, it's like meals you get in the store (frozen food thing). They've got a chemical reaction in a bag that heats up the entree, making it steaming hot. They also have things like M&M's and skittles for dessert. A far cry from what they used to be.

Anyway, I'm late to the discussion. I liked this episode also. Not as much as last week's, but that's because this episode wasn't 'on the edge of your seat' like last one. It did have some excellent character development, and the ending really blew me away, I did not see that coming. Capturing a wraith was pretty ballsy, and I have to wonder what the writers have in store for us later this season. Obviously this is going to be a story arc, but from the episodes we have spoilers for, I'm not sure where it fits in.

And I agree about it being a good continuity thing to show us for the first time just how hard they are to kill. I do disaggree with the thought that Weir handled it poorly. I think she's new to this type of leadership, she is a civilian, not a military, and Bates was a paranoid ass giving her a difficult time with his advice and help, something Sheppard caught on to eventually. She also hesitated to open the shield because if she was wrong, if her gut instinct on trusting Teyla was off, then she would be essentially handing her people and Atlantis to their doom. One decision could have ended it all for them. Sitting at home, we know Teyla isn't a traitor, but Weir doesn't have that insight.

Liv
August 8th, 2004, 09:01 AM
Good episode! But... It's been three months since our heroes came to Atlantis. And they've been on nine missions. How come we haven't seen any of them? I suppose it is logical to conclude that nothing of particular interest happened on these trips, but I thought that Stargate Atlantis would, by "starting from scratch", be going back to the kind of "exploring the galaxy" type of stories SG-1 used to tell. Yet, after five episodes we have yet to get even one "regular" exploration episode. I'm not complaining - I've loved the series so far - it's just an observation.

As for the rest of the characters: It appears the team members must have been growing closer to each other over the three months in Atlantis. They show concern for each other (Felt kind of strange to see McKay so passionately sticking up for his team mates, rather than just complaining and making sarcastic comments - of which there were unusually few this time, by the way) and they all seemed genuinely certain of Teyla's innocence.

This is something that´s been bugging me a bit about the team itself, too. I don´t feel like I´ve had a chance to form a bond with them yet (except for Sheppard and McKay, I lööööv them) and that makes me feel somewhat cheated. It´s all well and good that they care for each other, I wouldn´t have it any other way, but I would have loved seeing some of those three months in front of the camera, as well. Not just, "oh, look here´s the team, and yep they´ve been on a whole bunch of adventures already, but regretfully you missed out on them...". I felt like there are a couple of episodes 'missing'. Like there are things that have happened to the characters 'off-camera' that has put them in the place they are right now, that I should know about.

Tokraed
August 8th, 2004, 12:10 PM
PS: I have a confession. I also like airplane food.... and hospital food ain't bad.... Never tried military rations though. *ponders*

MRE's are pretty good, better than airplane food (if you can get any nowadays) and hospital food. A friend brought some to work one day after his Reserve gig. They cook in their own bag and include dessert!

Tokraed
August 8th, 2004, 12:27 PM
I don't think he's stereotypical so much as single-minded about base security. He also clearly dislikes Sheppard and resents him for "usurping" the command that was Colonel Sumner's. And as it turned out, he wasn't entirely wrong to be suspicious of Teyla or the Athosians. If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have found out about the necklace transmitter. They probably should check the other Athosians for similar necklaces or trinkets.

This would be the "tired and trite" part of the episode that I mentioned earlier. There could've been other ways to reveal that Teyla's necklace was a transmitter, but that plot point was exposed by walking down a path paved with cliches.

Sheppard didn't usurp Col. Sumner's command. Sumner died in the line of duty and Sheppard was appointed to his position by Weir, the same person who made Sgt. 2D the Chief of Security.

And WHY is a Sgt. in charge of Security?? Did they not have enough Lts. or Capts. in the expedition party???

Major Fischer
August 8th, 2004, 01:07 PM
Unless i'm mistaken, the only officers we've seen thus far are Sumner, Sheppard, and Ford.

NurseRatched
August 8th, 2004, 01:13 PM
Strangely enough, when you first see Bates in part 1 of "Rising" it looks like he's sporting silver bars on his collar...

It's apparent in the screencaps here: (Link to Jackfic deleted...sorry...)....I just wish the resolution was sharper. The caps preceding and following this one also seem to support this.

Major Fischer
August 8th, 2004, 01:20 PM
You're right. I took out the tape and watched, through can't tell if he's a second or first lieutenant in it. Oh well, yet another Stargate Uniform Inconsistency for me to rant about ;)

Buzz Lightyear
August 8th, 2004, 04:36 PM
This would be the "tired and trite" part of the episode that I mentioned earlier. There could've been other ways to reveal that Teyla's necklace was a transmitter, but that plot point was exposed by walking down a path paved with cliches.

Well, it worked for me. I didn't regard the situation as cliched, but maybe I haven't seen enough similar storylines to know better.


Sheppard didn't usurp Col. Sumner's command. Sumner died in the line of duty and Sheppard was appointed to his position by Weir, the same person who made Sgt. 2D the Chief of Security.

Hence my use of quotes. Perhaps Bates resents Sheppard for Sumner's death and feels the major usurped the command.


And WHY is a Sgt. in charge of Security?? Did they not have enough Lts. or Capts. in the expedition party???

Apparently not. Perhaps if and when they re-establish contact with the SGC, they'll request the appropriate personnel to do a more thorough job of security.

Livi2Jack
August 8th, 2004, 04:46 PM
A few quick nitpicks:

1. If the necklace transmitts info so that the Wraith are waiting at the destination, then it must be transmitting FROM Atlantis TO Somewhere. So then, can the Wraith figure out the FROM part and find Atlantis? Because, they are said to have been waiting or arrive shortly after the team's arrival on a planet.

2. If the Wraith can make you see what they want you to see, then why didn't the captain wraith who got caught do that to the team in order to flee?

3. Team returns in opening scene underfire. Then they stand around the gate whilst ammo is shot through the wormhole. Sorta dumb. McKay should have immediately gotten to the side and out of the line fire of the gate after returning as should the others as there is room on the set.

4. If the Wraith can make you see what they want you to see, then is it possible that one of our folks is a Wraith who makes us see him as a human?

5. Did we just witness Holling accomplish a coup d'etat against Teyla? Looked that way to me.

6. Weir's hesitation in opening the gate indicates that there should have been protocols established just as on SG1 when there is an Alpha site to be used as a blind. If they have been on engagement for 3 months, there should be an interim spot established already.

7. Three months to fly around to find land? A bit lax considering all the puddlejumpers. What about the rest of that solar system? There could be wraith next planet over.

etc.

Ugly Pig
August 8th, 2004, 04:53 PM
2. If the Wraith can make you see what they want you to see, then why didn't the captain wraith who got caught do that to the team in order to flee?
As far as we know, the only thing the Wraith can make you see are those "phantom" shapes we saw in 'Rising'. Those wouldn't really help him escape now, would they? Especially since everyone should now be aware of this trick.

Major Fischer
August 8th, 2004, 04:57 PM
7. Three months to fly around to find land? A bit lax considering all the puddlejumpers. What about the rest of that solar system? There could be wraith next planet over.


They don't know how to open the roof to get the jumper out before than, they figure that out in the episode.

Buzz Lightyear
August 8th, 2004, 06:11 PM
1. If the necklace transmitts info so that the Wraith are waiting at the destination, then it must be transmitting FROM Atlantis TO Somewhere. So then, can the Wraith figure out the FROM part and find Atlantis? Because, they are said to have been waiting or arrive shortly after the team's arrival on a planet.

As stated in the episode, the signal transmitted is extremely weak. McKay theorizes there are relay stations on some planets which amplify and re-transmit the signal to the Wraith ships.


5. Did we just witness Holling accomplish a coup d'etat against Teyla? Looked that way to me.

No, Halling says to Weir that "Teyla has made her decision", meaning that she has chosen to stay with the Atlantis expedition.

Skydiver
August 8th, 2004, 06:16 PM
As stated in the episode, the signal transmitted is extremely weak. McKay theorizes there are relay stations on some planets which amplify and re-transmit the signal to the Wraith ships.



yeah, it's either a relay station or a transmitter on each planet that picks up the signal as she, or anyoen else wearing a necklace like that, go through the gate.

since the wraith have never been on atlantis, there's no transmitter there

styx
August 9th, 2004, 02:00 AM
hello everyone,

I do not know if it has already been mentionned in previous posts, but did anyone notice the chairs in the "briefing room"? They looked a lot like the chairs you would find in stores on earth.

My question behind this is : did the atlantis team bothered to bring confortable leather chair with them along with all the equipment, or did the ancients despite their light year advance in science decided that it was cool to sit in a leather chair that, i'll say it again, looks a lot earth made???

Major Fischer
August 9th, 2004, 04:17 AM
There is a seperate thred about the "Ancient Office Furnature."

Daxs
August 9th, 2004, 09:05 AM
Ummmm you've never had an MRE have you. From what I have heard it's like eating gorumet food.



ROFPMSL,

ummm Gourmet food? I'd prefer Navy ship food over MRE's. And I even would go so far as the only thing on a navy ship that is even halfway edible are the sliders(cheeseburgers) and even then, the durability of a slider actually allows scrubbing toilets with it (This theory has been tested). :S


Sorry had to put my two cents.

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As per the program, I'm still getting a handle on the techonology the ancients used and thereby concluding that there is a lot of development still yet to go. I enjoyed the constant exploration of the technology if not directly alluded to in conversation, but what I thought was odd particularly is the the fact that Dr. Weirhad overtly made it obvious that her alterior motives for "interviewing" the Athosians was not to simply find the traitor within their midst, but also to the point that she didn't know half the faces that she had seen around the City.

Three months goes by and being a leader of a "colony" (and I use that term loosely) she doesnt' know the faces of those people she's now responsible for?("Responsible for" being defined as the infinite task of EARTH discovered Atlantis and now... "I claim this city for America, Canada, Czechoslovakia, and all the rest of the people of earth" type of deal. Of course its seems kind of fourteenth century to me, but nevertheless it works.) Anyways it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY she wouldn't have some clue as to who everyone is. There would have been some inkling of something due to the immense undertaking that she's required to handle with the fact that now she is responsible for only 200 or 300 people.

Another thought to add a more security type of issue is if there had been a conversation between Mckay and Weir on the steps in front of the stargate and Mckay had been hit with another blast from the Wraith weapon once again immobilizing him. Personally there might be a funny moment in there somewhere if they pulled it off right. (Just an idea)

As for Teyla, Juries still out. She looks "_________" (being safe for posterities sake. Please add any type of Chauvinistic sexual innuendo you might find most appropriate). Personally thats all I get out of her, other than a strong "traitor" vibe. As if "ooooo, I'm having more fun with the new people, I'll ditch my people to the mainland and to heck with the fact that in all reality I'm supposed to be their leader and guide in all this mess." Cooooommmmeee onnnnn! You couldn't think of a better way to get rid of the Athosians without turning Teyla into a Traitor to her own people? There is no way in SOKARS world that any leader in their right mind would give up the responsibility that they have to their people so easily in spite of the 25 minute ride to mainland. I may look funny, but stupidity has never been one of my fortes. I'm kind of stuck on the Blue haired chick from "Disneys atlantis" and her devotion to her people as more of a realistic approach than Teylas characters continual De-evolution.


Mckay, KeWLness, the man is a Gem, actor and written character.

Shepherd "I miss the heady days of the 1980's" The man makes the 80's seem kewl.

Weir? The actress is practically walking on water in the portrayal of this sadly written character, and making it utterly believable. Kudos to her. (What the hell is a Kudo anways? :rolleyes: )


Wraith. Intelligence (I've never been much of a roleplayer, but damn will someone please re--roll the dice for intelligence on these blue rejects. I'm also thinking Cross between MORLOK and BATMAN FOREVER, "the plant chicks Green thug") Positively though, I like the female Wraith though, I think they accurately portrayed an exact likeness of my sister in law. (And I didn't even have to send them a picture.)


The young buck Ford, I can see the evolution of SEAQUEST DSV Commander FORD all over again. Its ok, it works for me. Needs to broaden his joke horizon and limit his injuries before he ends up hurting something vital.


Daxs.

Livi2Jack
August 9th, 2004, 09:23 AM
You don't know that there is no transmitter on Atlantis. That would be an assumption.

Livi2Jack
August 9th, 2004, 09:24 AM
Ok, Teyla made HER decision. But Holling was the force behind the decision to opt out to the land. So if Teyla is with the team, then is Holling head honcho?

Livi2Jack
August 9th, 2004, 09:35 AM
Nitpicking cont'd...

How about bringing Goauld weapons with them? Where are they and why aren't they? Intars would be useful on indigenous people and zats would be good too. Would a staff blast take out a Wraith? We are friends with the Jaffa rebels so we should be able to get enough.

Tokraed
August 9th, 2004, 11:48 AM
Apparently not. Perhaps if and when they re-establish contact with the SGC, they'll request the appropriate personnel to do a more thorough job of security.

I doubt that the military would send only 3 or 4 officers to manage that many non-coms and civilians in an unknown and possibly hostile environment with no contact from HQ. In my experience, the military is just like other branches of civil service when it comes to management ... there is a obvious chain of command (even with civilians involved) and some management positions overlap.

The security teams of Atlantis would've already been worked out in advance. Something that serious would've had some redundancy of personnel to cover the operation.

I think one of the reasons that Atlantis is having certain script problems with their military scenarios because they're not using a military advisor. (If they are, it's hard to for me to tell because the credits get squished so badly by SciFi.) Since someone posted that they saw Sgt. 2D with silver bars in an earlier episode, I think that could support my position ... and another poster's position about the continuity errors in the show.

Still, that won't keep me from watching next week's episode. :)

aAnubiSs
August 9th, 2004, 12:07 PM
Nitpicking cont'd...

How about bringing Goauld weapons with them? Where are they and why aren't they? Intars would be useful on indigenous people and zats would be good too. Would a staff blast take out a Wraith? We are friends with the Jaffa rebels so we should be able to get enough.
There are several threads about this in the Atlantis section. There's one on page1 atm.

Chirp
August 9th, 2004, 01:45 PM
OK what I understand in this tread,is that some of you are confused on the necklece :S ,at what point does it transmite,and why are the wraith there before the SG-AT team is? I think :S Sheppard is more harm then good is what I think :eek: all he has to do is be there or touch something and the Wraith are there. You can't lock him up and thou away the key either. ;) Cause he need to be out and drive and shot the cool guns they will find :cool: ,and they will find more wepons that he can use :S .

CyberKnight
August 9th, 2004, 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by Vyse
Yeah, the self-destruct thing doesn't make alot of sense. I STILL don't get who these stupid, idiotic wraith could beat the freakin Ancients!
That however brings up a question. If the Wraith guy was so eager to blow himself up, why did he let the threat of death stop him? I would rather they had shot him a second time and it disabled him enough to remove the self-destruct device. I also wonder how much of his "my kind will save me" routine was truthful. If Wraith are rigged to self destruct like that, his kind probably expect him to have blown himself up, not leaving much to rescue. Hopefully the Atlantis team has removed any tracking devices on his person that would allow the Wraith to find them.

WHY do the Wraith have a self-destruct? If they consider themselves to be the superiorest thing ever, then why should they worry about being captured by the cattle? What could a bunch of cows possibly do to a t-rex? The wraith are nearly unkillable, right? And yet they don't seem to mind killing themselves at the first sign of danger. Strange...
Ummm... Yeah I could think of a dozen reasons why a Wraith would blow themselves up. Sheppard actually brought up the main reason why. Being captured by the enemy is like being handed a death sentence.

gwangung
August 9th, 2004, 11:54 PM
Ummm... Yeah I could think of a dozen reasons why a Wraith would blow themselves up. Sheppard actually brought up the main reason why. Being captured by the enemy is like being handed a death sentence.

Well, the Wraiths are bad ass warriors. Hit 'em and they pop back up two minutes later. And if you DO capture one...they self-destruct. Which they can afford to do if few of them can captured.

Makes it hard to gather intelligence on. That, by itself, makes the Wraith more formidable.

CyberKnight
August 10th, 2004, 09:40 AM
Well, the Wraiths are bad ass warriors. Hit 'em and they pop back up two minutes later. And if you DO capture one...they self-destruct. Which they can afford to do if few of them can captured.

Yeah the heirarchy also reminds me of ants which usually sacrifices the grunts to save the whole nest or is that bees. It's some bug. Also could be that he knew he was going to die and might as well take out the enemy.

SG_Mike
August 10th, 2004, 10:22 AM
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It was an okay ep. Things I loved: McKay hit in the face. McKay liking MREs and hospital food. Finding the Sky roof to the Jumper Bay. Finding land. Ford still trying to name things. Teyla kicking butt with that stick fighting, she got moves. Teyla and Weir interaction throughout the whole show. Getting a bad guy. Loved the necklace, wish I had one.

Things I hated: Sgt. Bates, too mean. Why does every new person in the ep have to be mean? I wish we got to see more of the land, maybe in a future ep. I wish that Teyla did not have to give up the necklace; I guess I liked it on her.

More possible spoilers







I got to meet Rachel last weekend in NJ convention, and from what she could talk about, she will be doing a lot more hand to hand combat. She was pretty evasive to other questions about content. She was very proud to be taking and learning new fighting techniques. She did mention that she will be doing more stuff with the team, so I would guess that Teyla will grow in time to be a great character.

Now, about this episode...I have to agree with the majority that some of the cast expanded in good ways while others regressed and still a few fell off the chart into boredom. But over all I give the ep a 6 out of 10 rating.

SG_Mike
August 10th, 2004, 10:40 AM
By the way, this is crazy that me and my son even noticed this. We re-watched both Friday nights episodes last night. In Atlantis, the Table in the interrogation room, the cool triangle design. Well after Atlantis me and my son watched SG1 S6E20 - Memento. (re-watching all of them) And low and behold that same Table is there in the conference room. My son thought it was funny that someone in Atlantis stole that table from that planet. (He is 7) ;)

Liv
August 10th, 2004, 10:51 AM
By the way, this is crazy that me and my son even noticed this. We re-watched both Friday nights episodes last night. In Atlantis, the Table in the interrogation room, the cool triangle design. Well after Atlantis me and my son watched SG1 S6E20 - Memento. (re-watching all of them) And low and behold that same Table is there in the conference room. My son thought it was funny that someone in Atlantis stole that table from that planet. (He is 7) ;)

Those are some keen observation skills you both have there. :) I never pick up on things like that.

yaaayoubetcha
August 10th, 2004, 11:25 AM
I thought it was...ok....at best.....

Written to deliberately show how 'hard' the SGA folks are and how they're gonna have to be hard if they're to get home.

Alienate their only friends.....the brownshirt security chief.....breaking out the big weapons....capturing the Wraith for later use and perhaps not pleasant use....

All told i think the concepts could have been conveyed much better......

ComicDiva
August 11th, 2004, 12:28 PM
The Black Shirt of goodness is back. :)

I liked the episode and I find myself hating Teyla less! Although at some points like the "You shall have it" line I thought that is exactly what teal'c would say and exactly how he would say it.
I'm really starting to like this show, mainly because of all the possibilities. When they discovered land I actually felt a little giddy. "Oh golly gosh gee! I wonder what they will find!!!"
I look forward to seeing some surf. COWABANGA!

At the end the wraith said "You think you won a victory". Well, can you loose a victory? :rolleyes:

chiefchucky
August 11th, 2004, 02:49 PM
Man this episode was awesome! I think Teyla's character development is just fine (IMO it is better than Teal'c's was in Season 1 SG-1). I agree with a bunch of ya that McKay is the best developed charater in the show. Now we know something more about Sheppard he likes Football, Ferris wheels, anything that goes faster than 200 mph, and know SURFING :D.
I think one of the best qualities about Ford is that he gets shot/hurt all the time it just makes the show more realistic as I am sure there are people in the military who do the same plus it reminds me of the kid from Proving ground I think his name was Grogan lol. I am also glad that the writers are writing people into the show that we will soon love to hate heck maybe Sgt. Security and Kavana could be the next Mayborne or Samuels. As for the Wraith we haven't even seen their aresenal and hell the goul'd were more primitive than the Tolan and one little advantage that the goul'd had gave them the ability to wipe the Tolan out so it wouldn't be the first time a more primitave race has destroyed another race.

My only complaint is that Teyla and her people (as well as all other humans in Pegusas besides the Earth people) are the ancients becuase they are the desendants of the ancients (Not like us becuase we evolved again and the Ancient gene only came into our genetic make up when the Ancients from Atlantis came back to Earth and started breeding) so they should all have the gene that Sheppard has! Thus this means that when ever Teyla got close to the lost necklace in the cave the wraith should have been alerted to it unless of course the gene in Teyla and her people is dormant in them but they should still have the gene no matter what imo.

P.S. Did anyone else think that those bombs Ford was explaining we gonna be a human made Goul'd shock grenades. I did.

Ugly Pig
August 11th, 2004, 02:53 PM
My only complaint is that Teyla and her people (as well as all other humans in Pegusas besides the Earth people) are the ancients becuase they are the desendants of the ancients (Not like us becuase we evolved again and the Ancient gene only came into our genetic make up when the Ancients from Atlantis came back to Earth and started breeding) so they should all have the gene that Sheppard has!
Actually, I believe the Ancients seeded life in the Pegasus galaxy the same way they did it in the Milky Way (including Earth) only later. So it shouldn't really be any different.

chiefchucky
August 11th, 2004, 02:55 PM
Um oh yeah good thinkin lol :D

VirtualCLD
August 12th, 2004, 05:17 AM
P.S. Did anyone else think that those bombs Ford was explaining we gonna be a human made Goul'd shock grenades. I did.

They were standard issue flashbangs. They even looked like real fashbangs. Nothing Goa'uld like about them. We've had those types of grenades for a while.

aAnubiSs
August 12th, 2004, 05:58 AM
A very long while.

chiefchucky
August 12th, 2004, 08:36 AM
Oh ok I was just curious :)

Buzz Lightyear
August 12th, 2004, 11:14 PM
Weir? The actress is practically walking on water in the portrayal of this sadly written character, and making it utterly believable. Kudos to her. (What the hell is a Kudo anways? :rolleyes: )

"Kudos" means praise, acclaim, or compliments for an outstanding achievement.

Buzz Lightyear
August 12th, 2004, 11:22 PM
Not sure if this has been previously mentioned but in the mission to set a trap for the wraith towards the end of this episode, McKay is wearing a gray-blue uniform rather than his customary desert-beige.

Perhaps this change merely reflects his role this mission of more combat than science. However, this begs the question, why was he a part of this mission anyway? Surely Atlantis base could have spared another marine.

Major Fischer
August 13th, 2004, 07:35 AM
He did look rather uncomfortable with that P90...

VirtualCLD
August 13th, 2004, 08:56 AM
I woner the same thing, he kept "voicing his opinion" about not wanting to go on the mission to capture the Wraith, which begs the question, why did he have to do it/be there. I mean, he didn't actually do that much, but before they left, he kept saying how he didn't want to do it, what ever it was.

DJFavorite
August 13th, 2004, 09:03 AM
However, this begs the question, why was he a part of this mission anyway? Surely Atlantis base could have spared another marine.
Well, you could have said the same thing about Daniel at the begining of SG-1. I think this shows a growth opportunity for McKay. I hope TPTB will take advantage of it.

Cydonia
August 13th, 2004, 09:41 AM
I woner the same thing, he kept "voicing his opinion" about not wanting to go on the mission to capture the Wraith, which begs the question, why did he have to do it/be there. I mean, he didn't actually do that much, but before they left, he kept saying how he didn't want to do it, what ever it was.

My guess is that they need to establish McKay as part of the main team so he has a presence even if the entire episode is off world since he's a major character. Not that it makes a huge amount of sense, because if he's the smartest guy on Atlantis you would think they would want to safeguard that and *not* put him in the line of fire... or their thinking could be that since he's the smartest guy around he can help with any problems they run into off-world. (I love how I counter my own arguments... :rolleyes: )

Overall I liked Suspicion slightly less than 38 minutes. I don't have a huge issue with any of the characters and only minor ones with the plot/script... i.e. if they've been there for 3 months and have gone on at least 9 trips, you would think they would have found food by now - or that it would be one of their top priorities. What are they doing, just stopping by to say "hi" and introduce themselves? And the Ancients didn't have a map of the planet they had their city on anywhere in any of the databases? They had to take a ship out to discover land? That doesn't make sense at all...

Oh well. I still absolutely love the show and absolutely look forward to Fridays even more so now.

aAnubiSs
August 13th, 2004, 09:43 AM
Everything in life isn't based on want to or not. Sometimes you have to do something. And since McKay is on Atlantis he has to be able to fight :)

Buzz Lightyear
August 13th, 2004, 09:16 PM
Well, you could have said the same thing about Daniel at the begining of SG-1. I think this shows a growth opportunity for McKay. I hope TPTB will take advantage of it.

I have no problems with any of the non-military folks having/learning the ability to fight and use weapons. But this was specifically a military mission designed with combat in mind to capture an enemy, not a recon/exploration mission where a scientist's presence makes sense, and they just happen to run into hostiles.

I guess I'll just chalk it up to a quirk of tv shows of this genre, because you're right - in many SG-1 military missions, Daniel Jackson participates when it would clearly make more sense for a career soldier to take his place.

Tok'Ra Hostess
August 19th, 2004, 04:04 PM
Ack! I get left so far behind when I have to wait a week to get the dls! :( Posting my thoughts before reading the 150+ posts in this thread. Sorry for the inevitable repetitive comments.

I liked this ep, better than I thought I would. I'll just bet Sgt. Bates irritated the heck out of many fans, but I, naturally, thought he was okay ;) .

Weir assigned him the task of interrogat... erm,... interviewing the Athosians, and so he went about it as any good prosecutor would. I think a prosecutor needs to strongly consider that the person(s) he's investigating could be quilty if he is to get resolution. If Weir had next told him to investigate the Earth scientists, for example, Bates would doubtless have been just as tenacious. I think that's why Weir picked Bates. Strength sometimes hides beneath an unappealing exterior.

I liked the growing relationship between Weir and Teyla - both leaders and both expecting to be treated as such.

The Athosians were in a difficult situation that was slightly reminiscent of the naturalized American Japanese during WW2, or pretty much every Middle Eastern person now living in the US(and elsewhere), since the infamous 9/11.
:(

Distasteful as it was to see Weir focusing on the Athosians, she was acting true to human nature.

I fully expected the Athosians to be innocent, and figured it was simply a tracking device, I never suspected the necklace(I was hoping the insect from 38Minutes had something to do with it). Since discovering the Ancient "life-sign detector" on Sheppard in Rising, I'm sure the Wraith have deployed troops(or swarms? whatever they call themselves) to as many worlds as possible in the hopes of finally eradicating the old enemy. But Sheppard(in Rising) likely didn't use any tactics the Wraith had seen used by the Ancients before; they must wonder what kind of "advancements" the Ancients had undergone while the Wraith slept. :D

But why did the Atlanticans :D want to capture a Wraith and bring it home? I missed a scene, right? DLs are notorious for leaving out whole scenes, so I suspect I must have missed the briefing.

And why the self-destruct mechanism? :S

I wonder if the SDM(self-destruct mechanism) is standard issue only during those seasons when there is a threat of engaging the Ancients. I can't imagine another reason for its existence, unless there's some religious taboo about letting your prey catch you.

MacKay; what can I say, I love the guy. :D He surprises me every week. He likes military food!?! And telling that other guy to "buck up." Oh, brother! :rolleyes: I loved the hospital scene, and the "I don't really want to go, but of course I'm going" routine with Sheppard, and the kind of trust those two have in each other.

Oh, and I just love how every scientist's first reaction when something lights up or whirs open is to jump away, reach for the sky and proclaim that they didn't touch anything. :p

Ford is one cool kid. :)

Major Fischer
August 19th, 2004, 04:19 PM
Oh, and I just love how every scientist's first reaction when something lights up or whirs open is to jump away, reach for the sky and proclaim that they didn't touch anything. :p

hehe, I think that would be my reaction too.

2BAM
August 25th, 2004, 12:55 AM
This episode *was* the better of the two airing tonight although I didn't like it as well as last week's "38 Minutes".

Hate the security guy... Mr. weasel face. I did like Weir more in this episode so I'm hoping she's at least not going to annoy me. Teyla.....I'm still on the fence. I just am not loving her. :( She is a good little fighter, though.

Sheppard and McKay I totally love. McKay is still stealing all the best lines although Sheppard had some good ones tonight as well. I like that McKay is becoming a real team member while still retaining his annoying qualities. Not an easy balance. Ford is just there for back-up and the occasional comic relief so far. Can't say I really know much about him but it's still early in the series.

Overall a lot happened, they explored the planet a little, managed to get the Athosians out of Atlantis to the mainland where it looks like they're going to conveniently become farmers for the city *and* they captured a Wraith. I think the captured Wraith is a more convincing bad guy than Marilyn Manson wraith (not saying much) and I'm curious to see what happens with him. The minion wraiths, in spite of jumping back to life, just seem to be your usual cannon fodder nemesis.

So a decent episode, we're gradually learning more about the Pegasus galaxy, Atlantis and our team members and I'm enjoying the ride more than I thought I would. I think there's a lot of potential and I'm hoping it's realized.
I think that Teyla is a very complex character that will take a long time to get to know. She must have many layers yet to be discovered and I'm going to sit through every episode before and even after I figure out exactly what she is about. She is not your garden variety SCI-FI character, no. Much more.

Major Tyler
August 26th, 2004, 02:32 PM
Rodney with a P90 was awesome!

deadpool
August 26th, 2004, 07:43 PM
So, didn't like it as much as 38 Minutes, I'd say the series is hitting about on the better end of SG-1's first season. Their misses aren't quite as bad (we all must hang our heads in shame, Emancipation), but they aren't hitting them consistently yet.

Two problems i had: 1) The self distruct on the Wraith seemed out of place, 2) Why in the teaser did they stand and stare at the gate after they were through while they were taking fire? It seemed like begging to get hit. Cover people! Dive for cover!

Not bad. Not great. Character building. So I guess I'll do this by character.

Dr. Weir: I like her, wasn't thrilled with the way she let Bates play McCarthy for most of the episode, but it wasn't entirely unreasonable and she did the initiative to say 'these are my decisions, and I know the consequences of them.' I still like her, I'd just say this wasn't her shinning moment. Good characters have less than great moments.

Maj. Sheppard: He's growing on me, he was saying the things I kept wanting to say. Good man.

Tayla: Liked her better as far as the writing goes, the actress doesn't thrill me with her delivery, but hey. The stick fighting was nifty ;)

McKay: Also starting to grow on me. At least he's not ANNOYING me.

Sgt. Bates: Seemed cliche and one dimentional. If we see him again I hope he gets a personality beyond 'I like Joe McCarthy, a LOT.'

Dr. Z: Thank god that's settled. It's a Czech republic flag.
You Forgot Ford... Never forget Ford. He's saved Sheppard in more than a few episodes.

- The First Ep - Ford enters with C4 and a head shot to save Shep from the Wraith Queen...

- 38 Minutes

Major Fischer
August 26th, 2004, 07:52 PM
You Forgot Ford... Never forget Ford. He's saved Sheppard in more than a few episodes.


Ford's just not imprinted on me particularly much, just not attached to his character yet. And certainly wasn't in Suspicion.

2BAM
September 20th, 2004, 01:08 AM
Teyla's fight in this episode rocked!! :)

Andy867
September 30th, 2004, 02:03 AM
Ok, I just got done watching Suspicion again, and I have to tell ya that if I was Sheppard, That **** of a Bates (security ***) would have been shot after they found the locket that was a transmitter. He is just as bad as the Wraith and needs to be shot or removed the show. Whoever picked him for a character was on crack. Kick him off the show, or at least make it so that he becomes possessed by an alien and has to be SHOT.

watcher652
September 30th, 2004, 02:14 PM
Ok, I just got done watching Suspicion again, and I have to tell ya that if I was Sheppard, That **** of a Bates (security ***) would have been shot after they found the locket that was a transmitter. He is just as bad as the Wraith and needs to be shot or removed the show. Whoever picked him for a character was on crack. Kick him off the show, or at least make it so that he becomes possessed by an alien and has to be SHOT.
Nah, you need to have somebody that's over the deep end in the other direction. An extreme viewpoint is good to have, if just to make you think, "well, that's what the enemy might be thinking since they're extremists."

Besides, Bates was the right hand man to Robert Patrick's character (forget the name right now) so he probably doesn't like Sheppard having Ford as his second, nor Sheppard's record of disobeying of a direct order.

Watch Bates get saved in one episode because Sheppard won't follow protocol and let him die. But Bates won't let that soften his attitude. Oh, well, maybe just a tad. But it's his job to be suspicious.

Major Fischer
September 30th, 2004, 02:17 PM
Watch Bates get saved in one episode because Sheppard won't follow protocol and let him die. But Bates won't let that soften his attitude. Oh, well, maybe just a tad. But it's his job to be suspicious.

I think it's also important to remember that every hero needs a foil to work off of. Bates is Sheppards.

Liv
September 30th, 2004, 02:45 PM
Besides, Bates was the right hand man to Robert Patrick's character (forget the name right now) so he probably doesn't like Sheppard having Ford as his second, nor Sheppard's record of disobeying of a direct order.


I think it's also important to remember that every hero needs a foil to work off of. Bates is Sheppards.
Yes, I really like the fact that there is a slight antagonism from Bates' side towards Sheppard. It makes sense that Bates is somewhat suspicious of Sheppard's abilities to take command, following Colonel Sumner's demise. Conflict between two characters almost always makes for good and thought-provoking tv, IMO. Unless there's no foundation for the conflict, but in this case I believe there is.

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 1st, 2004, 05:26 AM
Yes, I really like the fact that there is a slight antagonism from Bates' side towards Sheppard. It makes sense that Bates is somewhat suspicious of Sheppard's abilities to take command, following Colonel Sumner's demise. Conflict between two characters almost always makes for good and thought-provoking tv, IMO. Unless there's no foundation for the conflict, but in this case I believe there is.

Hum, interesting. Have Sheppard and Bates ever been at odds in any of the other eps? I thought Suspicion was a one-time thing. Next time I saw Bates (in his scene with Steve), his relationship with Sheppard seemed cordial enough. I'd go so far as to say that Bates has won Sheppard's respect because he didn't let himself be cowed by the Major.

Bates is a good man - a good detective. He's the kind of guy you want on a case because he won't settle for the easy out. It wasn't his job to soothe puppies; he was assigned to root out the fleabag so all the other puppies could stop scratching. :D

Even though his methods were unpopular with his superior military officer he stuck it out. He remembered who his actual superior was - Weir - and went as far as he needed to go to get the assigned job done.

And a good thing, too, wouldn't you agree? ;)

Major Fischer
October 1st, 2004, 06:20 AM
Hum, interesting. Have Sheppard and Bates ever been at odds in any of the other eps?

He's mentioned at the end of Underground where it sounds like he's in a little unofficial competition to get food with Sheppard's team. Seems he's running one of the other Atlantis gate teams.

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 1st, 2004, 07:10 AM
He's mentioned at the end of Underground where it sounds like he's in a little unofficial competition to get food with Sheppard's team. Seems he's running one of the other Atlantis gate teams.

<nods> I never thought of it that way.

I simply thought Sheppard was disappointed in his own failure to get the job done. Still, it's interesting that Weir would use teams this way.... She said it wasn't a competition, but in saying the word, isn't she actually creating a competive atmosphere for the guys?

Man, she's good! :D

BTW, I'm glad that the #1 team comes in second or even last from time to time; it makes them more human, fallible and believable. :)

Liv
October 1st, 2004, 02:45 PM
Hum, interesting. Have Sheppard and Bates ever been at odds in any of the other eps? I thought Suspicion was a one-time thing. Next time I saw Bates (in his scene with Steve), his relationship with Sheppard seemed cordial enough. I'd go so far as to say that Bates has won Sheppard's respect because he didn't let himself be cowed by the Major.


He's mentioned at the end of Underground where it sounds like he's in a little unofficial competition to get food with Sheppard's team. Seems he's running one of the other Atlantis gate teams.

I was going to mention that bit in Underworld, but Major Fischer already took care of that, so I don't have to. :p
I suppose there hasn't been much open conflict between them since Suspicion - I may have to rewatch all the episodes to make sure, though (oh, woe is me, the trouble of watching them again ;)). But I still took that line in Underworld as a slight follow-up by the writers to the conflict, and a small hint of things that might happen in future episodes (no spoilers, I'm only speculating :)).





Bates is a good man - a good detective. He's the kind of guy you want on a case because he won't settle for the easy out. It wasn't his job to soothe puppies; he was assigned to root out the fleabag so all the other puppies could stop scratching. :D
Nice analogy, there. :D

I'm not disputing that Bates is a good man (I have yet to see anything that would indicate otherwise) but that doesn't mean that conflict can't arise anyway. There was a certain harshness to his investigation in this episode. I understand that he needs to do his best as he is in charge of security and this was a serious issue, but there is still a way to investigate things and have a certain "bedside manner" about it.

Tok'Ra Hostess
October 1st, 2004, 03:49 PM
[QUOTE=Liv]
I'm not disputing that Bates is a good man (I have yet to see anything that would indicate otherwise) but that doesn't mean that conflict can't arise anyway.

Conflict good. Me likeum conflict. :D


There was a certain harshness to his investigation in this episode. I understand that he needs to do his best as he is in charge of security and this was a serious issue, but there is still a way to investigate things and have a certain "bedside manner" about it.

LOL! An MP with a bedside manner.... :D

What gets me is that MacKay gets away with far worse and pretty much constantly, and the fans fawn over him. Bates, as, head of security, is basicly a cop, and a military one at that.

Sy'onei
October 6th, 2004, 04:20 AM
That however brings up a question. If the Wraith guy was so eager to blow himself up, why did he let the threat of death stop him? I would rather they had shot him a second time and it disabled him enough to remove the self-destruct device. I also wonder how much of his "my kind will save me" routine was truthful. If Wraith are rigged to self destruct like that, his kind probably expect him to have blown himself up, not leaving much to rescue. Hopefully the Atlantis team has removed any tracking devices on his person that would allow the Wraith to find them.

I know this is late as heyull but here I go. I don't believe the threat of death stopped the Wriath, but his inability to self-destruct was a result of the stun Major Sheppard gave him with the Wraith weapon from behind. We all know that the Wraith's guns offer a temporary paralysis when fired at a human target. When McKay was hit he dropped immediately, but when the Wraith was hit he still had a little energy to try and push his self-destruct, but Sheppard stopped him and you saw his body begin to shut down its movements. It seems that it takes a little more time for the effect of the Wraith weapon to have a change on the Wriaths’ themselves.
I’m going out on a limb here, but I think “Steve” may have had something up his sleeve when he was trying to scare Major Sheppard about the other Wraiths coming for them. Why would they come if he self-destructed? Seems like he knows something we don’t. Remember Teyla said games are not their way?

Major Tyler
October 16th, 2004, 11:47 AM
I like that they finally decided to demonstrate that sometimes P90s jam. When Teyla was shooting that Wraith in the final battle, her P90 jammed up, so she had to chase Steve with just her M-9. I always wondered why TPTB never showed a gun jam in over eight years.

On a side note, does anyone know why SG teams that carry P90s don't also carry FN FiveseveN pistols as a sidearms, rather than the M-9s? The 5-7 pistols use the same rounds as the P90 and that would be an advantage if they needed to conserve ammo. It makes even more sense on Atlantis because they have a limited supply of ammunition (ie. they could have taken mostly 5.7mm for the P90s and pistols from Earth, and just brought enough 9mm for the M16s).

Any thoughts?

Major Fischer
October 16th, 2004, 11:51 AM
On a side note, does anyone know why SG teams that carry P90s don't also carry FN FiveseveN pistols as a sidearms, rather than the M-9s? The 5-7 pistols use the same rounds as the P90 and that would be an advantage if they needed to conserve ammo. It makes even more sense on Atlantis because they have a limited supply of ammunition (ie. they could have taken mostly 5.7mm for the P90s and pistols from Earth, and just brought enough 9mm for the M16s).

My guess? The prop department either doesn't know, or doesn't care, that the P90 uses that funky caliber.

Major Tyler
October 16th, 2004, 11:54 AM
My guess? The prop department either doesn't know, or doesn't care, that the P90 uses that funky caliber.Well, they still use blanks for the show, so I imagine that they'd have to use 5.7 blanks, and hence, would be aware of the caliber difference. They probably just didn't want to buy a bunch of 5-7s.

Major Fischer
October 16th, 2004, 12:19 PM
Well, they still use blanks for the show, so I imagine that they'd have to use 5.7 blanks, and hence, would be aware of the caliber difference. They probably just didn't want to buy a bunch of 5-7s.

Entirely possible (even likely), there is also the chance that the person who decided to use the P90s and the M9s isnt' the same person who handles the blanks.

Andy867
October 16th, 2004, 01:15 PM
Or due to regulations, field units are required to have a certain amount of ammo and certain weapons for missions (also dependent on weight, things like that).

Major Fischer
October 16th, 2004, 01:21 PM
Or due to regulations, field units are required to have a certain amount of ammo and certain weapons for missions (also dependent on weight, things like that).

No one is questioning that. We are discussing that the M-9 (92F) Beretta and the FN P-90 use different ammunition, and it would make logical sense for them to carry a pistol that uses the same ammunition as the P-90. Originally when SG1 carried HK MP-5s, both sidearm and smg did use the same caliber and thus interchangeable ammunition.

Modern history is riddled with horror stories about units cut off with a ton of ammunition that wont fit any of the working guns at their disposal. It was a particular problem for the Japanese during World War II because they used an unusally wide range of calibers and cartiage types.

JediTrilobite
November 1st, 2004, 12:21 PM
Not a bad episode, although it was the first one that I saw, so I was a little lost with some of the characters.

Andy867
November 1st, 2004, 04:07 PM
Because of hypothetical regulations though, they might only be allowed a primary firearm of the P90 or M-16, and for a secondary, the weight can be no more than x lbs including ammo, so depending upon the situation and mission, they might not be permitted to carry a secondary that has the same ammo type as their primary.

Matt G
November 8th, 2004, 04:10 PM
Caught this ep at SG8 on the weekend.

1. Nice work with the Athosian interplay here.

2. "It's not going to be any of our people" Yeah right.

3. Wasn't overly fussed about the 'pet Wraith'. As Sheppard says 'We can't meet their dietary requirements'.

Major Clanger
November 9th, 2004, 02:12 PM
Sorry, yet again I'm in a thread with no time to read the backlog.

Good ep, with some nice character development attempted. Weir didn't grate on my nerves as much as before - but thanks to Madeleine I spent a lot of the time shouting at Teyla to get a haircut, or at least find a scrunchie somewhere.

Rodney - what can I say? fantastic. I'm looking forward to a lot more interaction between him and Dr. Z. Fab to see him with a honkin' great weapon (but as I may have mentioned, or maybe it was just to myself - I want to see the scientists go through a basic weapons training thing, and I want to see more training in general.... maybe we could have Atlantis on 24 hours a day? Please?)

Oh and much as I love Major Sheppard - lay off the security sergeant, won'tcha!!

Nice stuff between him and the wraith at the end too.

But... what's with all the turkey sandwiches?

Crazedwraith
November 9th, 2004, 02:22 PM
I liked. Good concept. Good links to the first few episodes. Generally all good. Liked the bit with ford~: "actually i just hit my head" :D

Good thing we know have a captured Wraith. (is this who the apprecition thread calls "Steve"

Hopes he sticks around longer than Cammie did on SG-1.

Major Fischer
November 9th, 2004, 02:28 PM
Maybe we should start a "send scrunchies to Teyla" fund.

Watters87
November 9th, 2004, 02:31 PM
A good episode. Moved the story along. I liked the bit in the Puddle Jumper about the inertia dampeners that without them your eyeballs would pop etc. Then Sheppard asks for the turkey sandwich. Classic :D

Anubis
November 10th, 2004, 12:07 AM
I though this episode was very decent. Some good plans and strategies were forumulated against the Wraith towards the end.


Capturing that Wraith was good. I can't wait to see what, if anything we learn from him. Like Sheppard said, "the Ancients were good a shields and stuff like that". Good stuff! :D

At the beginning of the show I though and entire planet just with a city? Bit much, but now they've discovered land! :D I'd love to see it explored as well as see what Ancient tech lies around the city. :)

CultTVGirl
November 10th, 2004, 07:14 AM
I felt a little lost watching this episode. They've been there three months and been on nine missions? Why didn't we get to see any of this? Was it really all so boring?

I don't know - it just feels like they've done a lot of interesting stuff that we haven't got to see. :(

The security guy was like the least tactful person ever. And he was kind of rude to Sheppard. Didn't like him much - he's another one that needs pushing down the stairs. :D

On the plus side, I really liked Teyla in this one. I think a bit more of her personality got to come out, which was good. Though it would have been nice if she'd taken down the Wraith by herself, without Sheppard's help.

Oh, and I'm just loving action Rodney. ;)

Terok
November 10th, 2004, 12:54 PM
Thought it was a solid episode. Interesting to see that the growing tension with the Athosians came to a head, and divided Teyla from her people. Teyla was even a bit more likable in this episode. Really couldn't stand that security guy.

Will be good to see where the story goes with the captured Wraith, but are they sure it's a good idea keeping one captive on Atlantis. Kind of makes the place even more of a target doesn't it.

Madeleine
November 10th, 2004, 01:32 PM
Yes, what is it with turkey sandwiches? If they're so important why are there no turkeys in Atlantis? It would have made sense for them to bring some fowl for eggs and sandwiches and a couple of goats for milking.

Not to mention scrunchies.

Ancients Rising
November 10th, 2004, 03:00 PM
McKay is now my favourite charachter.

He is genuinely funny. :)

astronomicalchick
November 10th, 2004, 03:10 PM
Sorry, yet again I'm in a thread with no time to read the backlog.

Good ep, with some nice character development attempted. Weir didn't grate on my nerves as much as before - but thanks to Madeleine I spent a lot of the time shouting at Teyla to get a haircut, or at least find a scrunchie somewhere.

Rodney - what can I say? fantastic. I'm looking forward to a lot more interaction between him and Dr. Z. Fab to see him with a honkin' great weapon (but as I may have mentioned, or maybe it was just to myself - I want to see the scientists go through a basic weapons training thing, and I want to see more training in general.... maybe we could have Atlantis on 24 hours a day? Please?)

Oh and much as I love Major Sheppard - lay off the security sergeant, won'tcha!!

Nice stuff between him and the wraith at the end too.

But... what's with all the turkey sandwiches?

Yeah, I wondered about the turkey. Did they bring turkeys with them?

McKay is brilliant, I agree, he really brings the show to life. I also like Sheppard a lot, he's cute and he's good with the snarky quips. I love the way his hair just misbehaves continously.

I agree, Tey'a get that hair cut FCOL! It's really bugging me. When Tey'la was walking off with Ford, all you could seen like a huge beacon was all that hair, not v. good camouflage. I'm not overly fond of her character.

Weir is improving, a bit, still a bit stiff.

Good episode.

Major Fischer
November 12th, 2004, 09:45 PM
http://www.kmkeirns.com/SG1/GateWorld/teylahair.jpg

Madeleine
November 13th, 2004, 03:13 AM
I love it!

Elite Anubis Guard
November 14th, 2004, 02:35 AM
cant remember if ive already posted on this episode so no biggy if i have.







i liked the episode but not all of it. I liked the character development and the taster of fights with wriaths. Cant wait for more fights.


This show is full of great quotes(Nods at signature) :cool:

WraithWarrior
November 15th, 2004, 07:20 AM
Good, but would have been better if the Atlantis guy that wanted Teyla's bag searching was the traitor and was telling the Wraith where they would be in order for something (not being killed, etc.)

Ugly Pig
November 15th, 2004, 08:06 AM
Good, but would have been better if the Atlantis guy that wanted Teyla's bag searching was the traitor and was telling the Wraith where they would be in order for something (not being killed, etc.)
Why would that have been better? Because we don't like him? It certainly wouldn't have made any sense for the story.

Major Fischer
November 15th, 2004, 08:12 AM
Why would that have been better? Because we don't like him? It certainly wouldn't have made any sense for the story.

Not to mention incredibly cliche....

Ugly Pig
November 15th, 2004, 03:05 PM
Not to mention incredibly cliche....
Indeed. I was gonna say 'predictable'.

SeaBee
November 19th, 2004, 02:22 PM
Good ep.

The character for McKay seems to be settling down nicely. The whining has been cut back, and I really liked the man in this ep.

Nice little fight scene, especially the stick battle.

Only problem I have now is I keep saying "Okee dokee, I'm gonna get myself a sandwich" at odd times in conversations, causing blank looks from non-gaters. :eek:

Sunkissed_stargate_traveller
April 27th, 2005, 07:38 AM
i just rewatched this ep. I like it ... a little too much conveniently falls into place with the athosians leavin for the mainland. but one thing still confuses/bugs me is teyla says that the athosians are planting crops or something along those lines ... where did they get these from?? lol

aaobuttons
May 1st, 2005, 04:37 PM
i just rewatched this ep. I like it ... a little too much conveniently falls into place with the athosians leavin for the mainland. but one thing still confuses/bugs me is teyla says that the athosians are planting crops or something along those lines ... where did they get these from?? lol


They could have gotten them from the seed stock from Earth. They could have gone back to their planet and retrieved stuff there. Or they could have traded with other worlds for starts and seeds. They could have even found some things growing wild on the mainland.

watcher652
May 8th, 2005, 01:45 PM
i just rewatched this ep. I like it ... a little too much conveniently falls into place with the athosians leavin for the mainland. but one thing still confuses/bugs me is teyla says that the athosians are planting crops or something along those lines ... where did they get these from?? lolThey never know when the Wraith may show up. Teyla mentioned that they move their hunting camps around. If you are living on a world that has been culled regularly for as long as your history can remember, I think you would have emergency bags set up with the things you would need for survival. Like food and water, extra clothing, blankets, candles to soften the darkness, seeds and small farming and hunting implements. It was automatic that those who were near such bags to take the split second to grab them as they ran for their lives.

jenks
April 4th, 2006, 07:00 PM
Shepard was being a real arsehole in this ep...

generaloneill
April 5th, 2006, 12:18 PM
Shepard was being a real arsehole in this ep...

no he wasn't bates was because he is clearly paranoid.:sheppard:

mckaychick
April 5th, 2006, 01:39 PM
no he wasn't bates was because he is clearly paranoid.:sheppard:
yah what else is new

captain jake
April 8th, 2006, 06:40 PM
this episode was defenately a good one I hate the ethosians though they are realy starting to piss me off. Even though they are inasent they are so self incrimanating.

Orovingwen
September 26th, 2006, 06:00 PM
Well.. the story is actually a good one but there is too much that I don't like.

Of course they think the Athosians are the traitors *role eyes* I mean they don't look through the mission reorts ad look what is similar to that missions where they got attact by wraith. No we look whom we can blame...
But Oh Teyla can't be the traitor. just because they like her (and I still can't understand why).
But hello? WTF is going on with Shep? He lives in his own lil peaceful nice and candy world. Who is the one lead by his emotions?
I'm totally on Bates site. He is so right and if he hadn't insist they never would have found the transponder.
bates is so doig his job, he is right you have to check people first on even if you like them. And the trust issue? Well.. how did she earned it? They are new to that galaxy and [spoiler]as we see later humans work together with Wraith[/url] Sure it was unlikely but just exclude her and the rest of her people not? Yeah sure I go and flirt with Shep and all in Atlantis trust me.. that is really stupid from a security point of view. that has nothing to do with like or not like people, it's just you would never have such a lack of security so Bates it totally confident in his job. And Shep has a pink fluffy POV. gagh!

But the worst of all is Teyla in the end "I'd done it the same way" WTF? I mean how they treaten the Athsoians in that episod and then she understands it and she would have done it the same way? hello? sure I go to the one group of people who are handy to blame and be not nice at all to them just pretend to be fair and then teh leader of them comes to me and agrees? That was for me actually the proov that she isn't showing her real colors. I can't belive a LEADER (and she is suppose to be a good lone*roleeyes*) would act as she does.
Well I really shouldn't start with her..
I like the Wraith attac there (why is Teyla fighting with the wraith alone? yeahk I know we have to see that Teyla can really do stick fight...).oh and boy Ford like to play with explosives.. yeah give him some value.

But we find a land (yeah for that) and the Athosians are happy again :) (just Teyla leave them??? to trust strangers? they are soooo good and they will win against the Wraith...I guess she moves into Shep's fluffy world.. or she is just egoist and doeswhat she wants, what I think is more likely, she is sick of beeing a leader, she never even felt like that *point on the previous ep* so knwo she doesn't have to think about daily responsibilities.) and the Writers got rid of them ;)

sadly, I like them, can't we see more? that could be intesrting! and hey why don't we move Atlantis to the mainland? I mean we should move it..it's a ship... they did that with DS9... and it were actually better because you don't have to use a Jumper or at leats not that far to fly.

meredithchandler73
November 14th, 2006, 08:12 PM
I liked this episode. Teyla hasn't been my favorite character, but I liked her a lot more in this episode. I liked how Weir and Teyla handle being leaders and acknowledged that what each of them was doing was very difficult. Bates was annoying, but I guess he was supposed to be annoying. I'm glad there wasn't a traitor anywhere.

Liked that they caught themselves a Wraith. Oh yeah - and Teyla's stick fighting was pretty cool, too.

Angela V
January 7th, 2007, 09:53 PM
Alas, I had to watch this episode by myself. My almost 7 year old son is terrifed of the Wraith. Don't blame him, they are freaky looking. He wants to sleep with the light on. So back to Star Trek Deep Space 9 and Voyager for him. Not like he's going to complain about that! (though Borg episodes freak him out a bit BUT he has a major crush on 7 of 9. go figure!)

Loved this episode. I haven't been able to watch all of season one right through (and haven't even seen the last 3 episodes) but now I have the DVDs.
I really liked Teyla in this. Liked her kicking Wraith butt!
It's also nice to see the show so clear! Just recently got digital cable so been stuck with crappy analog. :)

Angela V
January 8th, 2007, 09:05 PM
Got in trouble from my son today. He said he's only afraid of the black shadow in the one epsiode. He said he knows the Wraith are actors. So we watched two episodes today :).

First
June 17th, 2007, 07:15 PM
When attempting to capture a wraith, why did no one consider using a zat gun? That would be the first weapon I'd take. From the limited info we know of the wraith, a zat would probably be effective, and 3 shots would prevent them from getting up ever again! They have probably never gone up against gou'ald weapons, so they shouldn't have any resistance to them. At least it's worth a try (take the P90 aswell).

Did they actually take any gou'ald items to Atlantis (I haven't seen any yet). I'm seeing this as a plot hole more than anything, or a way for TPTB to bring us down a peg and remove an advantage from us, and "reset" many of the alien tech items acquired in the original Stargate SG1.
After all, if you're going to another galaxy, fighting new enemies, wouldn't it be wiser to take a selection of weapons from various alien sources, rather than just your own?

Yay4CarsonBeckett
November 2nd, 2007, 02:34 AM
Hi!

First post.

Yesterday I coughed up $50 Aus and bought season one (Ironic seeing as I already have season 2 and 3) .. I brought it home and put it on the player straight away...

Love seeing these old episodes that I remember watching a few years ago. I can see the difference in special effects and god, that wig of Teyla's (or should that be plural) lol..

I did notice in Suspicion that when one of the big wraiths gets shot, he falls to his stomach and you can see the actor/stuntman's pink skin underneath. Hmm the makeup doesn't go that far does it?

GATEGOD
March 1st, 2008, 07:20 PM
Ford: "Something like Atlantica!"

Shepperd: "I thought we agreed you weren't going to name anything anymore."

:lmao: I love the Sheppard/Ford scenes

Haha also another great line by Bates : "A second ago we were going surfing" I love this show. :ronan:

garhkal
March 3rd, 2008, 03:45 PM
:lmao: I love the Sheppard/Ford scenes

Almost like the early years of SG1 with jack and daniel

Orion25
October 5th, 2008, 05:55 AM
I liked this episode and after a couple of viewings, I began to understand about the necklace. Intriguing that this was tracker device developed by the Wraith to sniff out Ancients before. I would like to have seen this explored in the other episodes or maybe in the book series. *please*

Butlersgate
February 25th, 2009, 12:57 PM
this was the first episode of atlantis that i watched, i was in australia when it was getting aired so i couldn't keep up :( great ep though

escyos
May 15th, 2009, 04:08 AM
This was pretty much the only 'archaeologically' episode and all we saw was a few seconds of ruins...shame

ktebid
February 5th, 2010, 09:46 PM
This was an intiguing episode. I liked how it picked up on the necklace from the 1st episode and how the emotions were portrayed.

mrscopterdoc
June 21st, 2010, 07:54 PM
I liked this episode. Teyla hasn't been my favorite character, but I liked her a lot more in this episode. I liked how Weir and Teyla handle being leaders and acknowledged that what each of them was doing was very difficult. Bates was annoying, but I guess he was supposed to be annoying. I'm glad there wasn't a traitor anywhere.

Liked that they caught themselves a Wraith. Oh yeah - and Teyla's stick fighting was pretty cool, too.

I agree.

Elorendil
June 25th, 2010, 08:29 PM
Interesting episode. I think I am starting to like this show. :)

I thought this was a well-written script. Tension, escalation, resolution all flowed beautifully. I liked how they showed the tension caused by the decisions that Weird made, but also how Teyla understood why she made those choices and tried to support her. It also showed the beginning of the rift between Teyla and her people, which sets up why she ends up staying with the Atlantis group.

Oh, I agree with meredithchandler37- catching Steve was pretty cool, as was Teyla's stick fighting. :D

Gamma626
September 3rd, 2010, 09:13 AM
Another good episode.

addicted_to_steve
October 15th, 2010, 08:49 PM
Teyla's stick fighting was pretty awesome, but we shouldn't forget that Steve was fending the sticks off... WITH HIS HANDS! Damn he's rugged.

It was quite a good ep, I'll admit, and I particularly enjoy the scene between Shep and Stevey at the end.

maneth
November 10th, 2010, 11:02 AM
My favorite episode so far. Great tension, and I'm glad nobody was a traitor.

mrscopterdoc
June 4th, 2011, 06:43 PM
Teyla's stick fighting was pretty awesome, but we shouldn't forget that Steve was fending the sticks off... WITH HIS HANDS! Damn he's rugged.


:lol:

garhkal
June 5th, 2011, 12:39 PM
I wonder, who trained both in the Escrema fighting style?

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
June 6th, 2012, 05:20 PM
I still agree with my statement yesterday, season 1 is off to a better start than SG-1's first season.

So no one was the spy. We also found some land, captured a Wraith, and got some new weapons.

I also notice in this episode (okay the last episode) that Dr. Z barely has an accent. But that got better as the series went on.

Tomorrow, people are forced to die when they hit a certain age.

hlndncr
June 6th, 2012, 07:22 PM
I quite enjoyed this episode. I really liked Teyla. I thought she was strong and commanding with her own people and the Atlantis expedition. She and Weir squared off in their leadership roles and it showed the best in both women. I also thought she handled everything that was going on around her with a great deal of insight and aplomb.

garhkal
June 6th, 2012, 09:18 PM
I would have loved to know though, if bates and teyla DID get it on, who would have won.

jelgate
June 6th, 2012, 09:23 PM
I would have loved to know though, if bates and teyla DID get it on, who would have won.

No question. Teyla. She shown to be superior to the Tauri when it comes to hand to hand combat

Inquisitor
June 7th, 2012, 03:48 AM
As Beckett said, it's a superpower.

hlndncr
June 7th, 2012, 09:16 AM
I would have loved to know though, if bates and teyla DID get it on, who would have won.

Actually, Bates and Teyla do go at each other later on if I recall. In fact, the one note I would have on this episode is that my vague fuzzy memories of this season kept pointing me to other scenes that I thought were in this episode but must be a part of another. At the end of the season don't the same tensions and suspicions come up again when they discover a wraith hidden in the city? Those events kept intersecting in my mind with the events of this episode.

Lieutenant Sparrow
June 8th, 2012, 02:21 AM
A good ep.

It was hilarious when McKay was hit by the stunner. Smack right in the face.

Silly Teyla going off alone to fight a Wraith. First time seeing her fighting skills.

Sheppard was fast at noticing that it was a self destruct. The Wraith barely had time to press it before Shep yelled out that it was a self destruct.

I still jumped when the captured Wraith tried to grab Shep. Even though I was prepared.

There will be nowhere on this world you can hide.

Inquisitor
June 8th, 2012, 04:29 PM
Actually, Bates and Teyla do go at each other later on if I recall. In fact, the one note I would have on this episode is that my vague fuzzy memories of this season kept pointing me to other scenes that I thought were in this episode but must be a part of another. At the end of the season don't the same tensions and suspicions come up again when they discover a wraith hidden in the city? Those events kept intersecting in my mind with the events of this episode.

It's in The Gift (0118)
It turns out it was the Wraith from the dart (The Brotherhood 0116) in Atlantis that hit Bates for six

hlndncr
June 8th, 2012, 05:36 PM
It's in The Gift (0118)
It turns out it was the Wraith from the dart (The Brotherhood 0116) in Atlantis that hit Bates for six

Yes, thank you. I thought it was somewhere toward the end of the season.

Jae'a
June 9th, 2012, 02:35 PM
It was hilarious when McKay was hit by the stunner. Smack right in the face.

I was more amused when he realised he couldn't talk for a while. Just a shame it didn't last long! :P

My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/58387.html)

Krisz
June 11th, 2012, 04:00 PM
I suppose this was an episode to work on developing characters. See how different people deal with a possible traitor. Weir and Bates as the civilian/ military clash over who is to blame, and Sheppard in the middle.

At least a use was found for the Athosians, instant farmers on the mainland, nice and convenient!

McKay seems to be slowly building up to perfecting the whining! It was funny when he was hit in the face and stunned, it was some peace and quiet for a while!

The necklace as an Ancient detector was an interesting idea, those sneaky Wraith! Appealed to the Ancient sense of aesthetics so they'd notice it and pick it up I guess. They always seemed to add artistic flourishes to their technology, the base unit for the communication stones found in Glastonbury for example, and the gates themselves, they look good! :D

Lythisrose
June 12th, 2012, 10:21 PM
Joe Mallozzi's memories of this episode:
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/june-9-2012-dark-matter-comic-con-days-of-stargate-past-stargate-atlantis-suspicion-and-childhoods-end/

SUSPICION (105)

This was Paul and my first episode of Atlantis and, looking back now, it’s amazing how many elements were put in play here. We establish the wraith stunners, the mainland, Teyla’s stick-fighting ability, the Zelenka-McKay working dynamic, and the beginnings of Teyla’s conflicted loyalties between the Atlantis expedition and her people. There’s also the civilian vs. military divide that’s touched upon here in the scene in which Sheppard dismisses Sgt. Bates only to have Weir remind him that she, as the leader of the expedition, appointed Bates as head of security. We also introduce the wraith self-destruct mechanism that, while interesting and effective on off-world encounters, aren’t going to enter into the equation when the teams take the fight to the hive ships.

The thing I remember most about this episode was wondering why the Atlantis away teams didn’t have designations like the away teams oeprating out of Stargate command (ie. SG-1, SG-2, SG-3). While my writing partner, Paul, was busy thinking up lyrics for the Atlantis theme to accompany the bang-up job we’d done coming up with lyrics for the SG-1 theme (We give a rare performance here: Stargate Theme (with lyrics!) – YouTube. Ultimately, Paul was only able to come up with: We’re in Atlantis! We’re underwater!) I set my mind to coming up with SGA team designations. And, I did, but the other writers balked at my First Atlantis Reconnaissance Team idea. Clearly, they were just jealous.

Matt G
June 13th, 2012, 03:23 PM
Midweek...another ep of Atlantis.

1. Sheppard was a bit OTT here.

2. Bates was even worse but Shep just playing the superior officer card doesn't work.

3. It was wierd to find that Teyla was the unwitting mole after all. Should have called it.

OK ep.

jelgate
June 15th, 2012, 10:56 PM
Rember when the show actually was a team and the character all had equal time? That is what so great about S1. Everyone seem to have a part to do. Well except Ford but we won't go there. I really like this episode because of how it shows the tension in Atlantis or more specfically Bates versus everyone. I kind of miss this later on because the tension between makes sense with all these clashing ideals in Atlantis. And given how much the Wraith have attacked I can believe that tension would develop between these people. Its human nature to be suspicious of people and the Athosians are a mysterious factor with the Tauri. So I kind of like the arguements and disagreements between the two groups in this episode although the whole mainland subplot seems kind of an easy way to get rid of the arguements. But it did bring the capturing of that Wraith. Using tasers and stun grenades was something new which made that interesting to see

ZRFTS
June 21st, 2012, 03:06 PM
Suspicion

Ah... The Athosians, a race of people just like us... They laugh, they cry, they care, they pray and though their culture and customs are different, we relate to them all the same but there always manage to be some sort of tension between different races, no matter how much we know them; hence when suspicion of a spy on Atlantis is up and about, the heat is on the Athosians as they seem to be the only race of people who would have a spy in their ranks.

The episode is sort of played as a mystery as the Atlantis crew question everyone, investigate leads as the writers manage to have you at pins and needles over who it is, testing your belief and giving you a difficult mystery to solve much like "The Missing Crown Affair (http://www.nohomers.net/showthread.php?96977-Zombie-s-1-038th-Post-Spectatular!-I-review-quot-Babar-quot-(1989-1991)&p=2924850&viewfull=1#post2924850)". The mystery isn't something that's dumbed down so that the general public can get it but this isn't earth-shattering since it's a sci-fi show and all... There are time frames, there are location visits, there are even visual things that may trick you into thinking the opposite and from the characters shown, there are personas, hints, ideas and motives. The best mysteries will have you questioning whether your instinct is right or wrong and this is no exception but this is far from the best mystery here. (though it does rank high.) The mystery will provide you with hours of fun and the ever-so-expected reveal at the end will shock and surprise you (after you get so involved in the mystery) but the mystery is not the focus of the episode.


http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9677/sgaathosians.jpg
No, this is...

No... That goes to the Athosians who are given the majority of the episode's focus. As I said before, there has always been tensions between different races and the writers of the episode utilize that as they craft racial tension situation and I have to say, they did an exceptional job; the Athosians culture, beliefs and perception of outsiders really gets to shine within their forced confinement which does a great job at reminding me of the similar incidents that dawned history, you can see their desire not to be imprisoned, not to be treated like prisoners and even their objection towards Taylor and her siding with Atlantis, which in my opinion is one of the best things about the episode because it accurately reflects a certain situation where an entire group of people hated on those people who wanted to forgo their own culture in exchange for being one of them. Being who you are is tough, you always get rained upon and treated differently (even today) and even though the intentions of the city you're inhabiting are good (and they are good), it all boils down to one thing; the perception that one race is superior while the other is inferior...

The performances of every one of the Athosians are good, truly managing to seem like a society at every turn. Their objections to their treatment, their stances against the Atlantis crew and the references to interrogation aren't cliched, they're as natural as they can be which helps the believability of the racial tension situation significantly; it would of harmed the episode if the tension was contrived so to see them putting the effort to make the racial objection believable, that's saying a lot. The performance crew of Atlantis are also good, managing to walk the fine like between concern and intolerance; it's nice they didn't make every one of the crew Athosian-haters (which most of them are, and their performance detracted from the episode.), there needed to be someone to balance out the racial tolerance and the safety of Atlantis, someone like Dr. Weir who does as nice job as anybody. It's nice to see how the innocent actions to weed out the spy can lead to racial intolerance, even if it's not suggested; it paints a nice vivid picture about how people are either aware or unaware that such actions can lead to these things and the tough situation regarding the treatment of the people, how much they care about the people and the feelings of the people in general, certainly gives the episode some metaphorical weight that this episode thrives on. Shepherd also performance that both fits the mystery and serves his character well, you can see the devotion in his eyes as he acts; I do wish they could of gone a bit deeper but for what it's worth, they did it well enough.


http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6130/sgaconflict.jpg
Athosians vs. Atlantis, truly a conflict.

We even get some shots of Atlantis which introduces more of it's hidden charms and even the world around it while serving to further the racial tension thing and even though that was it's only purpose (would of liked it to be more substantial); it's still an amazing sight nonetheless since this allows for even more possibilities for Atlantis and beyond. It even allows for some insight between the two people who find the land, which is nice since the insight behind their characters actually makes them more relatable and in the case of Shepherd, makes them more insightful; for you action fans out there, don't worry... they've left a little something in there just for you as there are two action packed scenes that both serve the story and are exhilarating. The first action scene is a classic example of things that go wrong but it seems like it's missing something; it's got Wraith shooting at them, it's got a rush to go back to the gate, it's even got a couple of people missing so what's missing that could make these scenes exceptionally great? I'm not sure but I do know it's missing something; the second scene however is a complete masterpiece; it isn't senseless action per say, more so it has a purpose in that it showcases the true cooperation and execution of everybody involved, using bangs and explosions to get the point across and what happens in those scenes proves beneficial to the series as a whole; it also contains some martial arts that is just plain awesome to watch and serve reinforce the Asian influences this show contains, who knew they'd be able to incorporate martial arts in an action scene?

The ending is also good, I won't spoil anything but let's just say that it's dramatic and breathtaking at the same time; though the journey to get to the end is a long one as there are some scenes that just drag on and it felt like I was watching a 2 hour movie instead of a 44-minute episode so it can be pretty tough to wade through but if you can make it through, it's worth it.

So this proved to be a pretty good episode; the focus on the Athosian's provided a good background for a racial tension story as well as an exploratory story. The episode also provided a mystery that was very good and also had some amazing action scenes as well as some exploration in Atlantis but this is the Athosian's show all the way. The racial tension provides a metaphorical look into the argument of differential treatment of races and the superiority race that continues on, even today which makes this one of SGA's deeper episodes. It isn't a masterpiece but it certainly is one of SGA's best and an enjoyable experience nonetheless.

8.5/10

Cluas
February 12th, 2013, 05:07 AM
This ep rocked.
Wraith stunners, Athosians going to the mainland, Teyla's fighting.
I'm beginning to like Teyla very much.
Wier could have been more clever here. And the necklace, well I figured that out

:weiranime17:

Baron Of Hell
July 22nd, 2013, 11:45 AM
I liked the episode. Still don't like Teyla but I did enjoy her fighting. Early on I thought it was something that was planted on someone. I was almost right.

mrscopterdoc
August 20th, 2014, 09:01 AM
It was hilarious when McKay was hit by the stunner. Smack right in the face.

that was pretty darn funny :P

garhkal
August 20th, 2014, 03:03 PM
I wonder.. Would repeated stuns to the face make one potentially mute as your vocal cords get damaged?

I Am Not James Spader
November 7th, 2015, 09:51 AM
I'm guessing the hostility between Sheppard and Bates is intended to continue (and that there is more to Bates than we see here*), but I think a scene should have been added showing Sheppard or Taila, or both, give the sergeant some manner of apology for how they treated him. After all, he was right and his persistence ultimately saved the city and the team from future peril.

I've noticed that the various badges, flags and insignias are often missing from uniforms. Is this a mistake or are they removed for off-world missions?

* Bates has a "dodgy" vibe about him and I suspect that the Wraith prisoner will lead him to a bad end.

I like how the writers are slowly developing the story and the city - like finding the "sun roof" now rather than tossing into the pilot episode - and taking the time to add in events or situations that are not just about plot or character - like McKay getting shot in the face, it had no relevance to the story but was just fun. :)

Alterus
October 5th, 2016, 01:15 AM
The head of security annoyed me, a lot, but i can understand the possible risks, but i don't know, i think he just didn't like Teyla's people.

I liked the Filipino stick fighting with Teyla and the Wraith dude, fast pace :)

Bates was an incompetent moron, obviously the people who are oppressed will help the oppressors, seriously his theory is just as bad as suggesting that Auschwitz survivors would help the NAZI SS officers who fan the bloody Camp!
Seriously what a moron.