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August 5th, 2004, 07:06 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 808</FONT>
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A businessman threatens to expose the secrets of alien life to the world, forcing Stargate Command to bring him into the loop.

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Skydiver
August 27th, 2004, 06:16 PM
This had some cool twists, like the grow it yourself asgard kit.

apparantlhy, this was supposed to have aired before affinity, which explains the Trust being revealed now, and sam's lack of a ring.

I have a funny feeling that this, as with parts of affinity, are set-up for later eps....so while they may be boring in ways now, i think they will be more important as time passes.

so they score points for the asgard surprise, jack's scenes with thor were cool...but i did have alec's illness pegged.

this is one of those that will hover in the middle for a bit and find it's final ranking once the season finale airs

Selmak
August 27th, 2004, 06:18 PM
This episode was far worst then I though it would be... the only part that I liked was the few Asgard scenes. But then again Affinity was far better then I though it would be... so I guess it evens out.

Faith
August 27th, 2004, 06:21 PM
I loved it, Loved it so much!!!

O'neill and Thor scenes were so cool. I sat straight up in bed with my mouth open when the showed the earth cloned asgard to the public. Big reaction there from me.

Well since Atlantis is on and I am sitting here typiung I will just put it this way....


LOVED IT!!!!

Elwe Singollo
August 27th, 2004, 06:23 PM
I didn't think this episode was bad at all, maybe bits and peices, but i did like the new Alpha Site :D As well the return of the reporter from S6.

A nice scene that i thought was nice to watch was when Jack told Sam that Thor and himself are about to visit the President in 5 minutes, loved it :rolleyes:

Ilios
August 27th, 2004, 06:25 PM
I really liked this episode a lot... I thought it had some great twists and suprises that I didn't see coming. It was different from any of the other "we're going to tell Earth about the S.G.C." episodes which was my main concern when I first heard of the episode. Overall I thought it was a great and enjoyable episode!!

Ilios
August 27th, 2004, 06:26 PM
I didn't think this episode was bad at all, maybe bits and peices, but i did like the new Alpha Site :D As well the return of the reporter from S6.

A nice scene that i thought was nice to watch was when Jack told Sam that Thor and himself are about to visit the President in 5 minutes, loved it :rolleyes:

I also enjoyed that Donovan returned... I was always wondering what happened to her. :p

Major Fischer
August 27th, 2004, 06:34 PM
So, Katherine's random comments in no particular order....

I really enjoyed this episode a lot. Found myself with wrapped attention which hasn't happened really in an SG1 epsiode for several weeks. Maybe back to Zero Hour. It had suspense, and even having read the spoilers they managed to keep a few suprises.

1) Alec, I can believe the character, and I had the problem with his company pegged just by what his assistent guy was trying to tell him. I really think the government should have done more to stop him though. Certainly if they had announced that they were cancelling contracts based on his erradic behavior than the stock price would have fallen like a stone and the reality of the company situation would have come to pass sooner.

2) The Trust. I found myself routing for them, but I really think that in the interest of protecting world security from a playboy, much more should have been done by the real government.

3) Sam. This is the Sam that I adore. Smart, touch, and with a sense of duty. It doesn't seem to jar well with the entire Pete Arc where she's revealing the secret she spends so much time defending in this epsiode. Wonder if the right hand is talking to the left hand up in Vancouver. She makes a great debunker. Besides, I'm a sucker for seeing Carter in her blues.

4) The Asgard Grow a Clone kit was a very neat plot device. The CG on that particular scene did a very good job at making it seem vacant. At first I thought it was hurt or injured or that Alec's company people had done bad things to it.

Avalar
August 27th, 2004, 06:39 PM
I liked how they fit the Asgard into the story and it's nice to know that Thor is able to give us assistance again now that Jack's old knowledge gave them the critical upper hand against the Replicators.

greytop
August 27th, 2004, 07:07 PM
This episode was better than I thought it would be. As with others that have spoken, I like the new Alpha Site.

I didn't expect Thor to show up. Love the scene where Jack said that they were meeting the President in 5 minutes, then he and Thor were beamed away. :)

Larry The Chevron Guy
August 27th, 2004, 07:19 PM
I think this is the best politics/coverup related episode so far. Like other episodes of this type, it didn't have much action (aside from a short x-203 ride), but I think it had enough hard hitting twists and enough great new plot seeds were planted that this episode can hold it's own against any of the best.

I love the new alpha site! I was wondering when they were going to make the A-site like the SGC.

keshou
August 27th, 2004, 07:30 PM
Much better episode than I expected. I sure wish they'd shown the episodes in the order they intended (i.e. Covenant first, then Affinity) since the big reveal of the Trust was a little strange having heard the name last week. Curious to see what they're going to do with this new rogue group. Sounds like more Kinsey in SG-1's future.

The good...

* The follow-up on the naval carrier group being destroyed. There was much discussion online about the coverup of this and I thought it was very realistic that someone with Alec Colson's resources and intellect might try and bust this open.

* The asgard clone. Total surprise and kudos to Scifi for not showing the reveal in the previews.

* Thor and O'Neill. I think they have something going on. ;)

* Good Sam in this episode. Competent soldier, pilot, media person. I also enjoyed her interactions with Alec Colson and it was nice to see them be professional friends. It's always fun to examine a newbie's reaction to the gate.

* Yay! They put the Alpha site inside a mountain.

The bad.....
* The first 40 minutes moved right along and really kept my attention but I thought it lost a little steam at the end. A little too much thrown in there and it didn't come off as well as I hoped. So are they stashing Colson at the Alpha site?

So no huge off-world adventures this week but it was an interesting episode in terms of examining the operation of the SGC program in the modern world.

Elwe Singollo
August 27th, 2004, 07:36 PM
The good...

* Yay! They put the Alpha site inside a mountain.

The bad.....
* The first 40 minutes moved right along and really kept my attention but I thought it lost a little steam at the end. A little too much thrown in there and it didn't come off as well as I hoped. So are they stashing Colson at the Alpha site?

So no huge off-world adventures this week but it was an interesting episode in terms of examining the operation of the SGC program in the modern world.I know what you mean! Yay, not the only one who liked the AS in the mountain, at least it looked a little different from the SGC, haha... Maybe Alec (i think it was) will help with better stuff for their future ships, etc... Possibilities, possibilities :rolleyes:

major al
August 27th, 2004, 07:38 PM
I loved this episode, I love all episodes regarding the Stargate secret being withheld from the General Public. I was thinking since this just might be the final season that the Stargate would finally be uncovered, but ehhhhh :rolleyes: . I did like all the scenes with Thor and O'neill. Also evertime a new civilian is introduced to the Stargate and the look they give anyone who is there when they see a big ring, oooo i love that :D . This episode was okay, just was expecting a bit more, maybe in the truly last episode the truth will be released. :)

aAnubiSs
August 27th, 2004, 07:41 PM
I loved it.

Elwe Singollo
August 27th, 2004, 07:42 PM
I loved this episode, I love all episodes regarding the Stargate secret being withheld from the General Public. I was thinking since this just might be the final season that the Stargate would finally be uncovered, but ehhhhh :rolleyes: . I did like all the scenes with Thor and O'neill. Also evertime a new civilian is introduced to the Stargate and the look they give anyone who is there when they see a big ring, oooo i love that :D . This episode was okay, just was expecting a bit more, maybe in the truly last episode the truth will be released. :)So you loved this episode, but yet you think its ok, so i guess thats good? Haha... Like everyone else (or just maybe some), i was a bit confused with the episodes having to deal with the Trust, and it seemed like they haven't much about them yet, well to me they didn't. Yah the always 'suprising' face emotions they show, wonder how much they practice that in the mirror :D

NightGloom
August 27th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Loved this episode! And it's such a relief after last week's! (No offense to anyone who liked it, it just wasn't my cup of tea). Sam was great in this episode, such a change from last week. Although this episode would have been better before Affinity, but oh well. Who knows? Maybe in the future Asgard clones will become like Sea Monkeys.

Jonas
August 27th, 2004, 08:03 PM
I was pleasently suprised by this episode. It was much better then what I was expecting. I liked the plot twist with the Asguard Clone and Thor showing up to assist. It was also nice to see The reporter again. I loved Jack and Thor's five minute meeting with the President. The new Alpha site is cool. The FX on the X-203. I have to agree that this episode lost some steam towards the end however.

Elwe Singollo
August 27th, 2004, 08:04 PM
Loved this episode! And it's such a relief after last week's! (No offense to anyone who liked it, it just wasn't my cup of tea). Sam was great in this episode, such a change from last week. Although this episode would have been better before Affinity, but oh well. Who knows? Maybe in the future Asgard clones will become like Sea Monkeys.OMG :D Maybe next time just for experiment fun (for Sam that is), she can teach a clone how to do stuff :rolleyes: Clean the floor! Haha... Yah, Sam, Sam, Sam, long time no see...:)

Skydiver
August 27th, 2004, 08:05 PM
I love the new alpha site! I was wondering when they were going to make the A-site like the SGC.

is it just me or does the new alpha site look a lot like atlantis just redressed???

I like it being buried but i wonder how the heck they did all that in a few months??

ok, 5 mo nths since new order, death knell was a couple to few before that, i just don't see how they hollowed out a mountain in less than a year

Excali5033
August 27th, 2004, 08:06 PM
I dig the new Alpha Site. Very cool. How'd they get those fuel trucks there, though?

They call me Tim
August 27th, 2004, 08:06 PM
I loved this episode...as well, I also loved the Atlantis one.

However the best part of the episode was the CG of the fighter as it pulled up over the brush...what an effect...maybe they should do an episode some time on Promie's fighter squad :p

Major Fischer
August 27th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Who knows? Maybe in the future Asgard clones will become like Sea Monkeys.

Just add water? :D :p

pettygrew
August 27th, 2004, 08:07 PM
I thought it a good episode, but wouldn't consider it a Stargate story. I didn't like the ending much, and thought the topic turn dark.

I did think Colson's office was a redesigned Atlantis set.

Elwe Singollo
August 27th, 2004, 08:07 PM
is it just me or does the new alpha site look a lot like atlantis just redressed???

I like it being buried but i wonder how the heck they did all that in a few months??

ok, 5 mo nths since new order, death knell was a couple to few before that, i just don't see how they hollowed out a mountain in less than a yearIts their special? Haha, maybe it was already dug up or something, but i'm just guessing, good question.

greytop
August 27th, 2004, 08:09 PM
ok, 5 mo nths since new order, death knell was a couple to few before that, i just don't see how they hollowed out a mountain in less than a year
Maybe it was a large cave or mine to begin with.

Elwe Singollo
August 27th, 2004, 08:13 PM
I dig the new Alpha Site. Very cool. How'd they get those fuel trucks there, though?Built them on site? Its like a mini-me SGC :p, but i would like to see more of the base, because yah, its been a while since we saw it :)

brihana25
August 27th, 2004, 08:14 PM
My impressions of Covenant:

Dull, dull, dull, dull, boring, and dull. A financial scandal? Ho-hum. A captain named Sheffield? Um... okay. The AlphaSite is in a mountain now. How many does that make now? Three? Four? "The people deserve the truth!" Yes, we know. Emmett gave a much more passionate speech about it last season, thank you.

On the up-side: Sam looked fabulous, Teal'c got a line (did they use up his quota for the season already?), Daniel's shrug was cute, Jack's "It wasn't us," line was *very* remiscient of Hammond's "It was an accident" line from Secrets, and Thor. Gotta love Thor.

So out of 44 minutes, I truly enjoyed maybe 7 minutes of it, at the most. The rest I found dull. Boring.

And did I mention dull?

Lugal
August 27th, 2004, 08:15 PM
Is it just me or does Colson sound a little like Thurston Howell III?

I like the reporter from "Prometheus" and the reference to Bregman from "Heros".

Elwe Singollo
August 27th, 2004, 08:16 PM
My impressions of Covenant:

Dull, dull, dull, dull, boring, and dull. A financial scandal? Ho-hum. A captain named Sheffield? Um... okay. The AlphaSite is in a mountain now. How many does that make now? Three? Four? "The people deserve the truth!" Yes, we know. Emmett gave a much more passionate speech about it last season, thank you.

On the up-side: Sam looked fabulous, Teal'c got a line (did they use up his quota for the season already?), Daniel's shrug was cute, Jack's "It wasn't us," line was *very* remiscient of Hammond's "It was an accident" line from Secrets, and Thor. Gotta love Thor.

So out of 44 minutes, I truly enjoyed maybe 7 minutes of it, at the most. The rest I found dull. Boring.

And did I mention dull?How negative, but i understand your dislike of the episode, becuase i myself did not like some bits, but i dont' know them at this time, haha, but i do know i didn't like 100 percent of the episode, but wait a minute, i never like 100 percent of an episode. How many mountain bases are there that have been on the show???

Bobthespirit
August 27th, 2004, 08:19 PM
I liked this episode. I like SG1's political approach to certain types of plotlines.

It's like, everybody involved is using clever plots and ploys to get what their agendas through. I like that intelligent approach to it a lot more than the run of the mill television approach of 'do recklessly direct ploys that work out through sheer willpower and good luck'. The rich guy's side, the SGC's side, the Trust's side....and I'm really liking the evolution of the 'Trust' plotline.

It's good to see in the next episode they're finally going off earth. We've had way too many actionless episodes this season and way too many earth-oriented episodes in a row.

brihana25
August 27th, 2004, 08:22 PM
How many mountain bases are there that have been on the show???

I have no clue. I think just the two - the SGC and the AlphaSite... unless you count the two SGAs, then it's four.

I wasn't talking about mountain bases, though. I was talking about AlphaSites. We should be at least to DeltaSite by now, if not Gamma.

Bobthespirit
August 27th, 2004, 08:22 PM
Reactions to this episode seem to be split down the middle.

"Loved it" and "Hated it".

Or is it... "Attention span" and "Non attention span"? :D

Don't worry, non-attention span people. The next episode is an action episode.

NightGloom
August 27th, 2004, 08:25 PM
My impressions of Covenant:

Dull, dull, dull, dull, boring, and dull. A financial scandal? Ho-hum. A captain named Sheffield? Um... okay. The AlphaSite is in a mountain now. How many does that make now? Three? Four? "The people deserve the truth!" Yes, we know. Emmett gave a much more passionate speech about it last season, thank you.

On the up-side: Sam looked fabulous, Teal'c got a line (did they use up his quota for the season already?), Daniel's shrug was cute, Jack's "It wasn't us," line was *very* remiscient of Hammond's "It was an accident" line from Secrets, and Thor. Gotta love Thor.

So out of 44 minutes, I truly enjoyed maybe 7 minutes of it, at the most. The rest I found dull. Boring.

And did I mention dull?


Well, just be glad Charles Shaughnessy didn't bring Fran Drescher with him, unless you like her cause then you can be sad. But just imagine that voice for an entire hour in that setting...

C'mon! I can't be the only one that thought "HEY! That's the dude from The Nanny!"

brihana25
August 27th, 2004, 08:25 PM
Don't worry, non-attention span people. The next episode is an action episode.

Hey, now... I *do* have an attention span. After all, I love Forever in a Day. ;)

pettygrew
August 27th, 2004, 08:36 PM
I like it being buried but i wonder how the heck they did all that in a few months??

ok, 5 mo nths since new order, death knell was a couple to few before that, i just don't see how they hollowed out a mountain in less than a year

Tok'ra crystals?

Excali5033
August 27th, 2004, 08:38 PM
There ya go.

Summerfield
August 27th, 2004, 08:50 PM
I like how they handled the "to tell or not to tell" question this time. And that now they have seen a bad reaction from a world to discovery of the gate, their arguments seem more valid.

The cynic in me, however, fears that the SGC will still be pressing for disclosure with any alien governments we meet.

I love the fact that the brought out an insta-clone, but imediatly explained its improbable growth with entierly probable Asgard genetic engineering.

Cloneing and Holography as comercial technologies will make Earth very interesting in the next few years.

aAnubiSs
August 27th, 2004, 10:01 PM
I guess they could've used Tok'Ra tunnel crystals to make the base quickly.

Wonder what kind of defenses there are on the base. There were a few F-302's but they must have something bigger.

HIj'Qa
August 27th, 2004, 10:08 PM
So this is what really happened with Martha Stewart!
Her various business enterprises had dealing with various government agencies. Exotic "foreign" food, the return of plaid! She had enough info from the Stargate program to piece the truth together. But the government got to her before she could go public! Ruined her company on a piffling stock trading charge!
The truth is out.
Free Martha!

Dragonlor
August 27th, 2004, 10:09 PM
I like it. It was interesting and they tossed in a lot of elements from all over the place: NID, Asgard, Onworld, Offworld, got to see the new alpha site, and an X-302 ride! The cloned Asgard was a nice twist. It was a bit slow and aggrivating as it is yet another mostly Earth episode, but not too bad.

Shipperahoy
August 27th, 2004, 10:19 PM
It was a good episode. Kind of akin to the one where the new President took over in season 7 (it's late and I'm too lazy to go look up the episode title). More about politics and internal workings of the SGC then SG-1, but I was expecting that. It was what it was, a filler episode. I wasn't expecting them to bring out an Asgard at the press conference so I got invested right there trying to figure out how they were going to explain that away. I like Charles Shaughnessy (sp?) but I didn't really care for the character that much. He was a little too arrogant for me. All the "I want the truth and everything and everyone else be da**ed" attitude even after Sam tried to explain to him why it was important to keep it a secret. I wasn't expecting his aide to betray him, perhaps I should have, but I didn't. I did miss SG-1 though but I loved the scene with Jack, Daniel, and Thor in Jack's office. I really am looking forward to Sacrifices though. A good offworld episode in which the Stargate is used and there are Jaffa and Gou'ald and all sorts of good stuff we haven't seen in a while.

aAnubiSs
August 27th, 2004, 10:21 PM
7x20 - Inauguration was the name of the episode.

gange57
August 27th, 2004, 10:26 PM
A captain named Sheffield? Um... okay.


Okay, this completely went over my head. What is wrong with a captain named Sheffield?

Elwe Singollo
August 27th, 2004, 10:59 PM
A good offworld episode in which the Stargate is used and there are Jaffa and Gou'ald and all sorts of good stuff we haven't seen in a while.I know, me can't wait for the missed salty goodnesses :D

Mio
August 27th, 2004, 11:21 PM
Overall I don't think that it was a bad episode. It's certainly better than that horrible horrible affinity....

Right! Back on Topic...

I liked the part with Thor's hologram on the news <G>

Ramne
August 27th, 2004, 11:23 PM
I enjoyed this ep very much, although I also thought it sputtered a bit at the end.

She Lurks
August 28th, 2004, 03:49 AM
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Didn't think I would, but I really liked this one! Nice to see a 'Sam in control' ep. Of course, the first thing I noticed was that Sam was flashing her 'ringless' hands around early on - just to find out that the eps aired out of order. But still - gets to fly! She gets to drive that sweet red converible! And an appearance by the Asgard is always a plus.

The episode felt 'tight' to me, had a story that held me.

muffo
August 28th, 2004, 04:02 AM
This episode was so much better than anything they've done this season. I was delighted. It moved well and there was logic to the action. It was intelligently edited, the characters all acted like themselves. Thor was there. Gotta love Thor. He and O'Neill make a great team. You have to admire Alec's democratic spirit. Not much understanding of human nature, but maybe that is what moves humanity along--someone who refuses to be hampered by reality and trys to create they own view. It was a great Sam episode. She was normal!!! I'll keep this one for later viewing.

Ali_gater
August 28th, 2004, 04:29 AM
Okay, this completely went over my head. What is wrong with a captain named Sheffield?
The name of the character Charles Shaughnessy played on "the Nanny" was Maxwell Sheffield. A little like the "McGyver" comment made by Sam in COTG. :D

Elfinwood
August 28th, 2004, 04:47 AM
Best part of Covenant...the Jack, Thor and Daniel scene in Jack's office. The rest...meh.

Although it did bring up a bunch of things from the past and added some new tidbits to the mix, if I wasn't such a fan of AT and Sam, I probably would have zoned out. I really liked Sam in this episode. She was competent, professional and compassionate.

One thing that really bugged me...I usually find RDA's quirky mannerisms and ad-libs entertaining, but the heartburn routine last night was a real distraction for me from the dialogue and looked rather inappropriate in that scene.

I'm curious to know what the reasoning was for flip-flopping this episode with Affinity. I know that Covenant filmed early. Deadline problems with special effects, maybe?

Critter
August 28th, 2004, 04:55 AM
My impressions of Covenant:

Dull, dull, dull, dull, boring, and dull. A financial scandal? Ho-hum. A captain named Sheffield? Um... okay. The AlphaSite is in a mountain now. How many does that make now? Three? Four? "The people deserve the truth!" Yes, we know. Emmett gave a much more passionate speech about it last season, thank you.

On the up-side: Sam looked fabulous, Teal'c got a line (did they use up his quota for the season already?), Daniel's shrug was cute, Jack's "It wasn't us," line was *very* remiscient of Hammond's "It was an accident" line from Secrets, and Thor. Gotta love Thor.

So out of 44 minutes, I truly enjoyed maybe 7 minutes of it, at the most. The rest I found dull. Boring.

And did I mention dull?
This is pretty much how I feel too. Thor was a great surprise to me, love him! Sam in charge was nice but she is just too darn well made up to feel any real seriousness about the situation. It's like she's just come from the beauty salon to fly the plane. Daniel looked great in his suit ;) .

Mostly I missed, really missed, the team interation. Jack couldn't have been more bored or more unhappy looking :( or more rude to Sam about her knowing Alec. I really miss the family of SG-1 this season. I know, change is good, but I still want to go back to the good ole days where the team worked together and they all had approximately the same number of lines per show!

jyh
August 28th, 2004, 04:58 AM
I actually kind of liked it. I understand why all you "action Jacksons" prefer eps with Goa'uld and firefights and lots of stuff blowing up might not like it, but I think it's a realistic part of the evolution of how the "secret of the mountain" is going to leak out. With all the Air Force personnel and contractors and other specialists who have some activity with the SGC, it's only a matter of time before someone spills the beans, so it's interesting to see how they handle it.

I still think Shaughnessy sounded a bit British, altho it was never said explicitly what his nationality was so I guess it doesn't matter.

When he was doing his expose news conference I thought he was going to show the satellite photos he showed Sam & Daniel. but when he gestured for the door to open & someone was obviously going to enter the room I said sarcastically to my son: Who's it going to be, Thor?? Then when the cloned asgard came it I almost fell on the floor. I just could NOT figure out how they 'captured' an asgard. The clone-growing from DNA was a great twist-- totally unexpected. Yet also an interesting plot point for how the Trust can get stuff, since bits & pieces of technology & 'evidence' is being farmed out to contractors here on earth. My son (he's 16) was suspsicious of Colson's assistant right away.

I loved the Thor hologram during Sam's TV interview... that was cool. And very clever on their part. It discredited Colson's alien without ripping Colson to pieces.

Did anyone else think the same thing I thought during this episode? Remember during Wormhole X-treme, Jack or Hammond or someone said that having a TV show like that would be good cover in case rumors of what was going on at Cheyenne Mountain ever got out? Then this episode, Covenant, talks about TV special effects. Hmmmm... maybe Stargate-SG1 is a clever cover story for some special military prgram that they don't want us to know about. After all, the Air Force does have some advisory input to the show don't they??

I liked Daniel's role, tho it was limited... he was cute as always. And Chris Judge must have been on vacation the week they filmed this. (And his sleeveless shirts still bother me.... are his biceps so big now that a regular t-shirt won't fit? Put a jacket on, man!)

I take it the Trust is sort of an evolutionary form of the NID, but probably including more civilians? Can't wait to hear more about them. I thought they were going to suggest that Colson use his resources to find out about them. And WHY didn't they explain how people kept getting Carter's cell-phone number?? Who are everyone's "sources"???

Here's one point that nobody mentioned but I noticed right away.... Did anyone notice that the Colson Industries logo was just the Sci-Fi network slogan flipped around??? It's prominent in Colson's office during the Colson/Sam/Daniel interview. It's a stylized "C" for Colson, but also, conveniently, the flip-side of the network's logo.





:cool:

Mio
August 28th, 2004, 05:16 AM
The name of the character Charles Shaughnessy played on "the Nanny" was Maxwell Sheffield. A little like the "McGyver" comment made by Sam in COTG. :D
That's how she became, the Nannnyyyyyy... Who would have guessed that the girl we've describ---err---- Right!

<cough> I couldn't resist.

Mar9645
August 28th, 2004, 05:34 AM
ok, 5 mo nths since new order, death knell was a couple to few before that, i just don't see how they hollowed out a mountain in less than a yearTo paraphrase a line from Independence Day, you don't think the Pentagon really spends $600 for a hammer?

This episode was outstanding and, IMHO, the best of Season 8 so far. There were no annoying ship moments, nauseating soap opera story lines, simplistic comic book plot ideas, disgusting video game violence or moronic situation comedy cliches.

Stargate SG-1 was being who and what they're supposed to be. That's only happened once before this season in Icon. The plot lines all made sense and came together the way the best writing for this show has so many times pre-Season 7.

Alex's determination to reveal the alien threat was believable because he really didn't know about the Stargate. His companie's work filled in some of the blanks about the effects alien technology is having on Earth society, both good and bad. There was just the right level of drama (which has been sorely missing in most of the episodes this season): an attempted assassination, his assistant's betrayal, his hiding out at the Alpha site.

The new Alpha site is fabulous. It's a joy to the eye and a great setting for future SGC plot use. The familiar visuals didn't bother me because the story was so strong.

The Trust as a growing new enemy is believable and has great potential for story arcs.

Sam is back to being the competant professional she was in Season 6. Let's hope she stays that way.

I was happily able to ignore Jack's pointless appearances.

The only negative comment I have is that the story could have done without Daniel's reference to that weasel Emmet Bregman.

Covenant was drama at its best within Stargate SG-1's action/adventure framework. The plot and pacing were very reminiscent of Season 6. There is broad potential for future stories, primarily ones that concentrate on Sam, Daniel and Teal'c. If there is a Season 9, I hope this represents the direction the stories and the characters will take.

Scarym1
August 28th, 2004, 06:17 AM
is it just me or does the new alpha site look a lot like atlantis just redressed???

I like it being buried but i wonder how the heck they did all that in a few months??

ok, 5 mo nths since new order, death knell was a couple to few before that, i just don't see how they hollowed out a mountain in less than a yearMaybe they had some help from some of those tokra crystals that grow tunnels. The crystals go in first to clean everything out and then The SGC goes into fix it how they want it.


I really like this ep. I thought that scene where Sam and Daniel meet Colson in his office was cool. I like how he knew who Daniel was. Daniel seemed a bit embarrassed when Colson mention Daniel's theories about Pryramids being landing pads for alien ship. I love how Daniel said he has been around. On a more shallow note: DANIEL LOOKED SO HOT IN THAT SUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was really surprised when the Asgard showed up at the press conference. It was like OMG how are they going to cover that up. The explanation for it was quite fascinating.

I enjoyed Jack's comment about Thor wanting to give the President a present, like maybe a Hyper Drive. Sam seemed surprised by Jack and Thor just beaming out while Daniel appeared so casual about it.

I do have one question. Colson got to meet Thor but why not Tealc as well?

I was wondering how they were going to stop him from revealing the truth. I like how it was accomplished. I felt sorry for Brian, Colson's Friend. I thought he was going to be a bad guy. I am glad he wasn't. He was just afraid. I think Colson was just too arrogant in thinking that he knew what was best for the world. I liked his character but I didn't feel sorry for him.

I like how Daniel checked he cell phone for messages and got 13 from that Documentary director. I can't think of his name right now. I also like how they showed that lady reporter from the Promethus.

I think that the SGC should see about getting a more secure phone system because it seems that certain people, The Trust from Affinity and Colson, have no problems accessing it.

Other than that I enjoyed. I thought the whole story was well written and directed. I didn't find it slow at all. Maybe it flows differently when you don't get the commercial breaks. I guess watchin on Squinty has its advantages. : )

Mio
August 28th, 2004, 06:26 AM
This episode was outstanding and, IMHO, the best of Season 8 so far. There were no annoying ship moments, nauseating soap opera story lines, comic book plot ideas, video game violence or moronic situation comedy cliches.
Not to mention the fact that it had the asgard in it..... <hums that music that always plays when an asgard comes on screen>

But. The music that normally plays when an asgard comes on screen didn't play during this episode!!!

Albion
August 28th, 2004, 07:57 AM
Well, I was looking forward to this one - albeit with a little trepedation that they might actually reveal the secret, which I was so hoping wouldn't happen - and I wasn't disappointed at all. I really enjoyed it.

It was quite dark, reminding me of earlier seasons, and unlike the murder mystery element of Affinity last week, it kept me guessing and intrigued right through till the end. When that door opened at the press conference and I realised just before it happened that an Asgard was going to come out, I just said, OMG, aloud to the screen. <g> Great twist!

Couple of down points - Sam, it seems, has been learning bad habits from Pete. What on earth was she doing talking so indiscretely on her cellphone to Colson after her TV appearance? "I'm sorry...I was just obeying orders'. Well, lucky Colson wasn't taping that little conversation, huh, Sam, or you might just have undone all that hard work! (Loved that TV spot btw and it was cool to see Julia back as the reporter - nice tie in to previous episodes there).

I have issues with the scenes involving Jack - part of an unwelcome trend I've noticed in other episodes this season. They were mostly pretty flat - mostly having him either walking or sitting in silence for the majority of the scenes. I don't mind a Jack-lite episode - we knew we were going to get them and it's been amazingly balanced so far, much more than I could have hoped for - but I've often had the feeling this season so far that when we do get him on screen he's not being used to the extent he's capable of. Which is somewhat disappointing. Too much listening and not enough reacting. Suffice to say, I'm looking forward a LOT to the first episode where we get Action!Jack back. Have him react to something, do something, rather than sit there. At the moment in many scenes he seems ... subdued somehow. A shadow of his former self. And it seems such a waste of his screentime when it's so precious these days.

Having said that he did shine now and then. Loved his wicked grin just as Thor whips them away to visit the President. And the having to repeat his dramatic announcement because Thor was late. LOL.

ROTFL'd at Daniel's "I've got 13 messages from Emmett" - and the expression on his face was priceless.

So, yes, on the whole this is one I'll revisit again. It was kind of nice too to see a lot of Sam and Daniel focus in this one with them working together - and I'll say it again, isn't that guy gorgeous in civvies <G> - although poor Teal'c was kind of a fifth wheel.

Conclusion - highly enjoyable.

Albion :)

Livi2Jack
August 28th, 2004, 09:00 AM
Is it me or does this new Alpha Site bode well for S9? There could be some really cool stories out of that scenario. In fact, it could be its own spin-off. SGC-Alphasite....kewl. I like Earth centered stories. I like us meandering in OUR galaxy from OUR point of view. Atlantis is fine for a spin-off, but the fun of SG1 was that it happens in the here and now with folks operating on a current level of understanding, mores, issues, and science. SG1 for those reasons is a real twist vs ST.

Mio
August 28th, 2004, 09:00 AM
I have issues with the scenes involving Jack - part of an unwelcome trend I've noticed in other episodes this season. They were mostly pretty flat - mostly having him either walking or sitting in silence for the majority of the scenes. I don't mind a Jack-lite episode - we knew we were going to get them and it's been amazingly balanced so far, much more than I could have hoped for - but I've often had the feeling this season so far that when we do get him on screen he's not being used to the extent he's capable of. Which is somewhat disappointing. Too much listening and not enough reacting. Suffice to say, I'm looking forward a LOT to the first episode where we get Action!Jack back. Have him react to something, do something, rather than sit there. At the moment in many scenes he seems ... subdued somehow. A shadow of his former self. And it seems such a waste of his screentime when it's so precious these days.
It may not be such a bad thing that they are doing that. I mean, think about it, If by the end of Season 8, we are used to Nearly no Jack Interaction, and OK with it, and they left open some great stories for a season 9, but RDA can only do cameos, isn't that better?

kadosho
August 28th, 2004, 09:22 AM
1. Thor And Jack -two best buddies
Goes to show how their friendship really is. And is Thor really much of an Asgard anymore.. he acts more like Jack everytime we see him. ^^;

2. Tell the truth, or keep quiet-
The way the plot moved was great, it really gave that glimpse of what the other side sees whats going on. And whats been kept quiet for so long.

A spiffy ep.. and yeah kinda weird how this was to air before another ep.
Oo,

Mio
August 28th, 2004, 09:26 AM
I think it would have been better if the other ep aired. I mean, If this happened after Affinity, the Trust would have been mentioned earlier in the episode.

Major Fischer
August 28th, 2004, 10:31 AM
ok, 5 mo nths since new order, death knell was a couple to few before that, i just don't see how they hollowed out a mountain in less than a year

Just a thought, but the "new" Alpha Site could have been under construction while the "old" Alpha Site was still being used. They could have known or understood the vulnerability in the past, and began addressing the question but had not been finished yet by the time of Death Knell.

To use a related example, NORAD was based in a 3 story wood structure at Wright-Patterson AFB before the Cheyenne Mountain complex was built. They knew it was a vulnerable target, but continued to use that headquarters while the mountain was cored out.

gwangung
August 28th, 2004, 10:56 AM
Just a thought, but the "new" Alpha Site could have been under construction while the "old" Alpha Site was still being used. They could have known or understood the vulnerability in the past, and began addressing the question but had not been finished yet by the time of Death Knell.

D'oh!

Good thought; think we're too used to dumb TV-think to consider some obvious reasons...there could be (and should be) all sorts of back up Beta and Gamma sites across the Galaxy that SGC is using as off site backups.

Skydiver
August 28th, 2004, 11:29 AM
Tok'ra crystals?

if it was tokra crystals, then i would imagine that it would look like tokra tunnels. And since Death Knell, the tok'ra have been pretty much a non-entity.

it's possible, just not very likely, at least in my opinion.

An existing large cave is a possibility, but that base looked pretty huge. It was big enough for a stargate, and getting a stargate into a mountain. not to mention big enough to hanger a f303(301, whatever)

AgentX
August 28th, 2004, 12:16 PM
Just finished watching Covenant. Thought it was pretty good for an Earth-based episode. Everyone was pretty much in character, would have liked to have seen Teal'c used more, but understand why he wasn't. I really liked Sam this episode, first time I was feeling the same kind of appreciation for her as I did in S1-4.

Wasn't a fan of Coulson, I found the voice in the beginning to be very distracting, almost whiny. That being the main negative about the episode is a good thing.

Albion
August 28th, 2004, 12:21 PM
If by the end of Season 8, we are used to Nearly no Jack Interaction, and OK with it, and they left open some great stories for a season 9, but RDA can only do cameos, isn't that better?

Short answer? No. <g>

Absolutely not.

Uhuh.

If RDA/Jack is on the screen I want him to be there 100% is my point. Whether it's the writers just writing him poorly or RDA only giving the scene reading half his attention and sleep-walking through it - I don't know what the problem is.

All I know is that if RDA/Jack is going to be on the screen rarely, then those rare appearances should be made to count. They should sparkle. Crackle with energy and fun. At the moment most of them don't. They're flat and uninspiring. The dialogue Jack's being given isn't witty or sharp, it's dull. I'm not saying this is every appearance or every episode - sometimes he's been great - but for me it's been a lot of it so far.

I guess what I'm saying is that if we can't have quantity with Jack - and I fully understand the reasons why we can't and have no issues with them, other than the fact that I'd obviously love a perfect world where we could have as much Jack as we want <g> - then we should have quality. Those rare appearances should be the best they possibly can be - to make up for the times we miss him.

Re how they built the Alpha Site - haven't got time right at the moment to read everyone else's posts on this, but has anyone thought already that the Asgard might have helped them out? They must have the technology, surely?

And re Colson - I wasn't entirely sure about him. I thought the actor played him a little over the top in many scenes and I wasn't that impressed. The character was fine though. I meant to say earlier that I agree with the poster who called him arrogant. When he'd finished his little speech to Sam about how he didn't think anything really bad would happen to the world if the secret got out and even if it did he figured then we'd deserve it, I was half expecting her to ask him what gave him the right to take that risk for an entire planet and was kind of surprised that she didn't. That's what I was asking. Who'd he think he was? But then I guess if you're worth millions and the head of a global business empire it would be hard not to be arrogant. ;)


Albion :)

Bandersnatch
August 28th, 2004, 01:17 PM
Howdy Campers,

(I'm writing this only after reading a few previous posts -- the Forum -- or more likely AOL -- won't let me into the first few pages)

Well, another Season 8 episode come and gone. *Covenant* -- it was all right. Been done before on the show, but there was a different twist this time. I guess, if such a program did exist, there would always be a constant battle for secrecy.

I'm still missing the spark of Mr. Anderson, as some of you have already commented on. He only seemed to have his signature nature about him in "New Order 2" and "Zero Hour." I miss the irreverent sarcasm, the dryness, the flippant remarks -- the classic O'Neill and the real RDA. It's sure odd to watch a Season 8 SG after seeing *Cold Lazarus" and *The Gamekeeper* beforehand. Those were the days...

But sentiments aside, it was a good episode. Good work done by everyone -- AT had some good moments and MS arms just keep getting bigger :) A little bit of back story and a glimpse of the new Alpha Site. Lots of cell phone work -- wish I could get mine to work as well as Carter's does.

The new episodes take a break next week -- what will the next batch bring? I don't know about you kids, but I'm casting my wish fishing net already.

Elwe Singollo
August 28th, 2004, 01:26 PM
I guess Sam needs a new cell phone number :rolleyes:

Ugly Pig
August 28th, 2004, 01:33 PM
I made the mistake of watching the new Atlantis episode directly after the new SG-1, before getting this typed up... Now my impression of Atlantis is kind of overshadowing the impression I had of the new SG-1. Oh well...


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Covenant'

This was a good episode. Although the preview last week made it seem like the existance of the stargate would be disclosed to the public, well - was anyone really fooled? But then again, the fact that this was originally intended to air before last week's episode kind of gave that away. Actually, I was a little worried that there might be some trouble with the continuity because of the switch, but thankfully there wasn't.

The Trust played a much smaller part in this than I had thought. Doesn't matter... I'm sure we'll see them again soon enough. We did get some fun throw-backs to past episodes, such as the appearance of the reporter from 'Prometheus' and the reference to Bregman from 'Heroes' (which, for some reason, I was half-expecting). Thor's appearance was of course great. I especially liked the over-using of the Asgard transporter (Jack and Thor seeing the President? Heh heh). :D

The guy from 'The Nanny' was good. I found his character likeable, even though I think he showed some poor judgement. "I don't think it will happen" (in reference to catastrophic reaction to the stargate's existance). Uh-huh. And just who do you think you are that has the right to risk it? Great final scene, though. All dark and... dark. Good stuff.

Now then, what I am wondering: Where the heck was Teal'c in all of this? Did he spend all of his screen time in the last two episodes or something? Ah, well. At least everyone else got a fair share.

And now, I'm off into the sunset... On second thought, forget that. I'm not really an outdoors kind of pig. I'll just stop talking.

Liv
August 28th, 2004, 01:34 PM
Hmmm, I don't know exactly how to feel about this episode. I was looking forward to Covenant and for about half the episode those expectations were pretty much fulfilled. That would be the first half. It started out really well, but then somewhere halfway through I felt like it lost a lot of its steam.

It was a wee bit difficult to not see Shaugnessy as the previously mentioned Sheffield character on "That show which name I will not repeat". The first five minutes were the most distracting, though.

Okay, the good parts:

- That exasperated sigh from Daniel just at the beginning, when he and Sam are watching Colson on Live TV. Sweet.

- Daniel and Sam's little visit with Colson (and wasn't that just a nice excuse to see Daniel in a suit ;)). I've said it before and I'll say it again, I really hope Sam and Daniel get even more scenes together in s8, because they have such a comfortable friendship thing going on between them. The asgard-talk, for instance, (while I wouldn´t exactly call it 'banter') was amusing:

Sam: "What if... it wasn't really an Asgard?"
Daniel: "Looked like one."
Sam: "Didn't sound like one."
Daniel: "Didn't say anything."
Sam: "That's my point."

Oh, and that "I got 13 messages from Emmet Bregman." got a big smile out of me as well. :D

- And speaking of the Asgard: I do so very much love Thor!
Seeing him in that chair in O'Neill's office, next to Daniel, was even funnier than I expected. Every time his head tilts, or his eyes blink... He's just so adorable!

Elwe Singollo
August 28th, 2004, 01:40 PM
Daniel and Sam's little visit with Colson (and wasn't that just a nice excuse to see Daniel in a suit ;)). I've said it before and I'll say it again, I really hope Sam and Daniel get even more scenes together in s8, because they have such a comfortable friendship thing going on between them. The asgard-talk, for instance, (while I wouldn´t exactly call it 'banter') was amusing:
I know what you mean, i too myself haven't seen many Daniel/Sam scenes, where is the friendship?! I miss it much. But this episode refreshed my loss of the two's friendship, haha...

Mio
August 28th, 2004, 02:05 PM
- And speaking of the Asgard: I do so very much love Thor!
Seeing him in that chair in O'Neill's office, next to Daniel, was even funnier than I expected. Every time his head tilts, or his eyes blink... He's just so adorable!
Yes, they are pretty good at controlling Thor in a way to make him seem pretty funny.

muffo
August 28th, 2004, 03:10 PM
I'd like to say that though I enjoyed the esisode(see my post at #49) I have to agree with those who miss RDA. There just isn't enough of him and they are not writing him well. No sparkle, no magic that only he can create. This show is RDA for the most part and they can't do another season under these conditions. Does any else think O'Neill hasn't been the same since the torture by Baal and the mind rape by the relicator leader? We only got dark, downer ending to those shows. I want O'Neill to get his "mojo" back.

Lugal
August 28th, 2004, 05:49 PM
Here's one point that nobody mentioned but I noticed right away.... Did anyone notice that the Colson Industries logo was just the Sci-Fi network slogan flipped around??? It's prominent in Colson's office during the Colson/Sam/Daniel interview. It's a stylized "C" for Colson, but also, conveniently, the flip-side of the network's logo.

I noticed that too.

major al
August 28th, 2004, 05:50 PM
So you loved this episode, but yet you think its ok, so i guess thats good? Haha... Like everyone else (or just maybe some), i was a bit confused with the episodes having to deal with the Trust, and it seemed like they haven't much about them yet, well to me they didn't. Yah the always 'suprising' face emotions they show, wonder how much they practice that in the mirror :D


Bah!!!!!! you get what i mean =P :p

DarkQuee1
August 28th, 2004, 06:04 PM
I'm the "terrible" camp. I didn't think they could come up with something as boring as Icon so quickly, but they did. Amazing talent, there.

And before you start calling me an "action Jackson" or having "non-attention span"--I'll match my attention span against yours any day :) --I loved "Abyss", which was a lot of talk and virtually no action. But it was intense and dramatic. I was glued to the screen. With Covenant, I was glued to my watch. "Oh, only another ten seconds have gone by? Darn."

Other than to introduce the concept of the Trust (and they shouldn't have reversed the order of the eps, so that Daniel's line last week made no sense), there was no point to this show. It went nowhere. It accomplished nothing. For Colson and his friend, there was a change by the end of the show--but that's it. Nothing else changed.

And I couldn't believe that I was hearing what the government was doing. Let's see: they gave a civilian outfit alien DNA? They used the same company to help clean up the mess after Nuby's attack, instead of keeping it in the military? They gave the same company some alien tech stuff? They used the same company to make parts for the X-303?

They were dropped on their heads a lot as infants?? As Forest Gump would say, "Stupid is as stupid does."

I found Colson totally unlikeable. He was arrogant (in a quiet sort of way), smug and self-righteous. He set himself up as the final arbiter of what should be told to everyone. I wonder if he were as free with his own company's technical secrets?

And I wonder how his friend's family feels about him now?

Worse, when Sam tells him that it could lead (probably because (a) outsiders would also want the tech and/or (b) it would challenge established religious beliefs) to planetary conflict--and she left out that it might also cause planetary panic--and we could end up destroying ourselves, Colson's attitude is that, if that happens, we deserve it. I suppose that also includes the people who *don't* panic or have trouble accepting it, the innocent bystanders (including children), who would also end up destroyed in the conflict.

Which was something I kept waiting for Sam to point out, but she didn't; I've noticed a tendency on the part of the writers not to follow through with the next logical comment (another example: in "Past and Present", when Daniel does his rant about who do you trust, claiming that they trust Teal'c and look who he was --I kept waiting for someone to point out the flaw: Teal'c actively *chose* to change, to stop being First Prime, to deny and fight his former "god", but Linea made no such choice. She changed only because she fell victim to her own machinations--and thus we have no idea what she would do if she remembers who she is. *But* no one followed through on the response.)

At least, I wanted her to ask, "Who died and appointed you God?" He criticized the government for deciding what the people should know, but he was doing the same thing--and not giving a damn for the possible consequences.

You want to refer Colson to Gandalf, when he claimed that maybe they deserved it: as Gandalf noted, many who die deserve life. If you can't give it to them, don't be so fast to deal out death, either.


The thing is, I suspect we were supposed to think Colson was a perfectly wonderful person, just as we were supposed to find Pete fine in Chimera (and, no, I don't want to re-hash that). I personally have a problem with both characters, and I don't quite understand why they have been written this way. I've generally been in synch with their perceptions of the characters in the past, but they are losing me these days.


J.

AlphaBlu
August 28th, 2004, 06:14 PM
Copy & Paste...


For a Martin Wood episode, the directing was pretty subtle. Normally you can tell when it's a Martin Wood episode because his directing style is so fluid compared to that of PDL (not that PDL's style is bad, it's just different). Yes the camera moved a lot, but I dunno, I just didn't notice anything that made me go 'nice shot' like he usually does. Maybe on second viewing I'll notice it.

The effects were very nice in this one. The joyride on the F-302 was quite nicley done, as were the effects for the new new Alpha Site (which was cool BTW, and Sheffield in command! Hilarious!). I'm wondering about Colson's office and where they filmed it however. I know the boardroom in Prometheus was the actual production office at the Studios where they make Stargate, and this office in Covenant had a 'done up' feel about it that makes me think it wasn't a built set.

As for the story, I was hooked. O'Neill was used exceptionally well, far better than he was in the first half of Season 7 (not that that'd be hard - Night Walkers had better use of O'Neill than Season 7, and he wasn't even in that one!). It was nice to see Thor again, even if his voice did sound a little off - can Asgard get colds? - and it's nice to see him helping us out.

"Empty Vessle" Asgard was spooky. My jaw dropped when Colson brought him out. I instantly thought "How are they going to explain this one!". This episode was definately not one of those ones where you can just go back to the way it was. No trite ending that covers everything up at the end; this one will come back to bite us in the ass.

In the end Shaughnessy did annoy me a little. He had more lines than anyone in the episode and every now and again I could just imagine him yelling "Oh Niles!" or "Miss. Fine!". Still he was a likable character and I'm glad he did pick apart some of Sam's reasons for not telling the word, as some of them were pretty thin.

The episode loses 0.5 because Teal'c was (as usual) wall paper. Granted we've had 2 Teal'c centred eps in a row now, but that's no reason why Teal'c should be in two scenes only and have maybe a single line. I know Chris Judge was probably shooting Avatar or Affinity, or maybe even on location doing Sacrifices at the time (and therefore wasn't around enough to warrent being in the scenes), but it was fairly blatant just how "missing" he was.

The episode also loses 0.5 points in my ratings because I felt that Daniel was handeled clumsily in this one. We spent so much time with Colson that it was really only Sam who got a look in as far as development goes. Normally they can put in some good screentime for atleast two of the title characters during an episode, but this time they sorta tried with Daniel but didn't go all the way.

Thankfully, the 0.5 points is regained with the inclusion of the lovley Kendall Cross, reprising her role of Julia, our all-too-inquisitive reporter. Maybe the writers haven't forgotten that Season 6 actually happened...

In the end, a 4.5 episode goes down to 3.5, but goes up to 4 thanks to Ms. Cross. 4/5 in total for that one. I'm glad that we'll be getting more of this story line again, as they've made the bad guy NID interesting again.

BYE

ravinia
August 28th, 2004, 06:36 PM
I have to agree this one bored me as well. There were a few moments, but overall, the focus on the Shaunessy character just didn't engage me. I know we truly have been spoiled with this amazing show and our expectations are high. There have just been too many earthbound, expositionary type eps this season while we are missing our old SG-1 team and wishing and hoping the magic can be recaptured. So it's hard to wait through these earth-bound, Jack-lite, low key eps.

Quality vs. quantity : Yes! Give RDA a chance to shine while you have him! Even if he did not appear in some episodes at all to save up his screen time to really kick ass, have some lines that have some life in them, and be his old Jack self when he does.

^Ravinia^

greytop
August 28th, 2004, 07:50 PM
I may reconize him if I saw him or seen the show he was in but right now I completely stumped. :o Who is Emmet Bregman? :S

Major Fischer
August 28th, 2004, 07:58 PM
I may reconize him if I saw him or seen the show he was in but right now I completely stumped. :o Who is Emmet Bregman? :S

The doc producer from Heroes.

greytop
August 28th, 2004, 08:00 PM
The doc producer from Heroes.
Thanks. No wonder I didn;t reconize the name I only caught the tail end of Heroes Pt2. Waiting for the DVDs to come out to see it.

Major Fischer
August 28th, 2004, 08:03 PM
Thanks. No wonder I didn;t reconize the name I only caught the tail end of Heroes Pt2. Waiting for the DVDs to come out to see it.

I still don't have the heart to watch it. I know the summery, I just ... like I said, don't have the heart.

AlphaBlu
August 28th, 2004, 10:14 PM
I still don't have the heart to watch it. I know the summery, I just ... like I said, don't have the heart.
Watch it. It's better to know what happens than to let your imagination run rampant. I had tears in my eyes the whole way through, but I'm glad I watched it.

BYE

AsgardCarnage
August 29th, 2004, 12:19 AM
good ep, prob 3rd or 4th fav ep from the season (ep1 and 2 first then zero hour) as soon as i saw him i just kept waiting for him to say "MISSS FINNNEEEE!!!".

is it just me or did colson have a picture or a sketch of the earth SGC stargate in his office behind him when he was showing the pics he had to sam and danial?

loved thor and jack talking, and using the transports to move around, thoese small little guys sure do love their transporters. also "we are calling in a marker! *smiles* . . . . waits. . . . . yep calling in a marker . . .. " and then thor beams in great stuff!

i didn't find it slow, but i saw it wihtout ad's, carter played out well as her charictor should.

so what can colson do for them? wasn't his power his money and control over so many companies? they have smarter people then him.

sorry for the large size of the pic, but is it just me or is that a gate pic witha ramp going up to it?
http://members.optusnet.com.au/carnage01/stargate.jpg

Elwe Singollo
August 29th, 2004, 01:39 AM
Ahh! I didn't catch that, how interesting, but yah, maybe its just something else, but i think its a stargate like you pointed out :D

Elwe Singollo
August 29th, 2004, 01:40 AM
I still don't have the heart to watch it. I know the summery, I just ... like I said, don't have the heart.The summaries sometimes aren't just giving the episode itself the true lighting, whatever that meant, but like greytop said, you should watch it :D

Albion
August 29th, 2004, 04:56 AM
It was nice to see Thor again, even if his voice did sound a little off - can Asgard get colds?

Yes, I noticed the voice was off too. Weird. I didn't notice if there was a credit for it at the end of the show - well, when I say didn't notice, there weren't any end credits on the dl <g>. Anyone notice if it was credited to someone other than MS?

Albion :)

pettygrew
August 29th, 2004, 05:10 AM
The credits were skipped again. They went straight into Atlantis.

Speaking of pictures. Did you see the poster size picture of the show's producer N. John Smith? It was hanging on the wall of the television studio behind Sam as she talked on her cell phone.

Good catch AsgardCarnage.

Orce
August 29th, 2004, 05:12 AM
They didn't show the credits, they went right to Atlantis again.

dpgiffin
August 29th, 2004, 09:57 AM
What was with the sound early in the episode? or was that my end of htings? Also, was it just me or did both DJ/MS and Thor/MS sound strange?

NightGloom
August 29th, 2004, 10:12 AM
I thought Thor sounded different, I didn't really notice if Daniel sounded different. I'll have to watch it again.

Mar9645
August 29th, 2004, 10:45 AM
I still don't have the heart to watch it. I know the summery, I just ... like I said, don't have the heart.
Don't bother. It's not worth it.

dpgiffin
August 29th, 2004, 10:55 AM
I thought Thor sounded different, I didn't really notice if Daniel sounded different. I'll have to watch it again.

It could have very well been the sound throught the entire episode, as some of the sound effects sounded kinda weird sometimes as well... Possibly sattelite problems.

greytop
August 29th, 2004, 11:06 AM
What was with the sound early in the episode? or was that my end of htings? Also, was it just me or did both DJ/MS and Thor/MS sound strange?
I didn't really notice but maybe DJ/MS had a slight cold.

Chirp
August 29th, 2004, 11:14 AM
Yep they did it agin, went right into Atlantis. I don't mined the first time, cause I'm at work and less tape to loss on creits, but I tape it 3 different times, I get home in the middle of Atlantis. I have one tape for the 2 shows together, then one for SG-1, then Atlantis. I miss about 30 secs. of Atlantis.
I like this one alot, because of Thor, he finally shows up when we need him. What ever Jack eat at the Whitehouse or on Thors ship did not agree with him. It looked likes he had a little bit of heartburn there, walking down the hall with Carter. Being General is getting to him aready, he needs to get out and kill some bad guys. Jack is like a bull, you wave a red flag in front of him and he will charge, funny thing is he has no where to charge too, except to his local store, but that is totaly a different story. Any way Jack need some action, to get rid of the pain in his gut.

dpgiffin
August 29th, 2004, 11:20 AM
I'm also hoping Jack will go offworld at least once with the team, as they made it a point to say he could. Let me be clear though, that i do enjoy his character development, and don't mind him as general at all.

Excali5033
August 29th, 2004, 11:23 AM
And I couldn't believe that I was hearing what the government was doing. Let's see: they gave a civilian outfit alien DNA? They used the same company to help clean up the mess after Nuby's attack, instead of keeping it in the military?

Heck, the military does stuff like that already. Something like a quarter of a ship's crew are employees of private military contractors these days. They're basically mercenaries. Same thing with ground forces in Iraq, there are lots of mercs over there. The actual military keeps getting trimmed down and these civilian companies have to pick up the slack.

Harlan
August 29th, 2004, 11:48 AM
- I LOVED this Episode.

- I really thought Thor had a different voice.
Maybe MS has changed his to play the 'asgard voice'.

- I've a question : How did the US Government manage to get an Asgard DNA Sample ?
I don't know any Asgard who would let humans take DNA Samples on him ...
Maybe Thor gave the Tau'ri the Sample as a gift in negociations ...



Finally, I think I've found a technical error in the Episode :
See the attached files ...

- On the First Picture, from 8.08 Covenant, we see an Holographic Thor.
You can see the red color of the TV Studio, where the hologram is projected, is reflecting ON the hologram. So the hologram adapts itself to the colors of the place where it's projected.

- On the Second Picture, from 8.04 Zero Hour, we see an Holographic Ba'al.
You can see that the green color of the Gateroom does NOT reflet on the Hologram. The Hologram doesn't adapt at all to the place's colors ... if it did, the Holographic Ba'al should be green too ...

So. We have 2 Asgard Holograms (Ba'al is using stolen asgard technology in Zero Hour),
but one takes colors of its place of projection, and the other doesn't !!!

What do you think about this ? ***

*** PLEASE don't answer 'Harlan, you need to get out more'
or 'Harlan, you're crazy, you see errors where there's nothing' :D ...

-

Major Fischer
August 29th, 2004, 11:49 AM
As has been pointed out, mercenaries, hessians, and private contractors are very much a part of life. Including (and especially) in the Department of Defense.

It would surprise me if they had kept it "in house".

Major Fischer
August 29th, 2004, 11:55 AM
I've a question : How did the US Government manage to get an Asgard DNA Sample ?
I don't know any Asgard who would let humans take DNA Samples on him ...
Maybe Thor gave the Tau'ri the Sample as a gift in negociations ...


Sam said that it was part of their attempt to help the Asgard cloning problem. My guess is that they have had the samples since Revelations.




So. We have 2 Asgard Holograms (Ba'al is using stolen asgard technology in Zerio Hour), but one takes colors of its place of projection, and theother doesn't !!!

It's entirely possible that Baal is not using an Asgard hologram program. The Goa'uld have shown the ability to use that kind of projected hologram before. Most notably Sokar in Serpent's Song.

Mio
August 29th, 2004, 12:03 PM
So. We have 2 Asgard Holograms (Ba'al is using stolen asgard technology in Zero Hour),
but one takes colors of its place of projection, and the other doesn't !!!
Simple. The asgard tech is better and can look like it fits right in the environment, but Anubis wasn't able to get it perfect.

Mio
August 29th, 2004, 12:03 PM
It's entirely possible that Baal is not using an Asgard hologram program. The Goa'uld have shown the ability to use that kind of projected hologram before. Most notably Sokar in Serpent's Song.
That wasn't a hologram.

Harlan
August 29th, 2004, 12:04 PM
Ok ! Soory I must have missed Sam's quote about Asgard DNA Sample ;) .

Talking about the Ba'al Hologram :
maybe your explanations is right ...

But I have two arguments to 'convince' you folks
that Ba'al is using an Asgard Hologram Projection :

- In Zero Hour, we can easily hear exactly the same sounds when the hologram of Ba'al appears, the same as the Asgard hologram. It's also the same sounds when the hologram is steady, and when it disappears.

- At the end of Redemption Part I (S6), an Holographic Anubis appears at SGC (there's the famous 'Prepare to meet your doom'). Then Carter deduces that Anubis stole the Asgard this holographic projection system.
In Season 8, we learn that Ba'al took all the remaining troops of the 'defeated' Anubis. Actually, we learn he took everything in the empire of Anubis. So I think he stole the Asgard Hologram System to Anubis ...


And maybe there's a 'keep the hologram image's original colors' button on the asgard device,
and Ba'al put it ON lol :D ...

acdj31
August 29th, 2004, 01:37 PM
I liked this ep. It had a great storyline, should they tell the world or keep it a secret. I liked Colson. In a way if I was him I would do the same thing. I think I order for Colson to have changed they should have took him to the planet in Icon or a planet destoryed by the Gou'ald. Some times seeing is believing.

Elwe Singollo
August 29th, 2004, 01:48 PM
I liked this ep. It had a great storyline, should they tell the world or keep it a secret. I liked Colson. In a way if I was him I would do the same thing. I think I order for Colson to have changed they should have took him to the planet in Icon or a planet destoryed by the Gou'ald. Some times seeing is believing.Good idea, for a minute there, i thought your going to say leave him there, hahah...

Mio
August 29th, 2004, 02:07 PM
Ok ! Soory I must have missed Sam's quote about Asgard DNA Sample ;) .

Talking about the Ba'al Hologram :
maybe your explanations is right ...

But I have two arguments to 'convince' you folks
that Ba'al is using an Asgard Hologram Projection :

- In Zero Hour, we can easily hear exactly the same sounds when the hologram of Ba'al appears, the same as the Asgard hologram. It's also the same sounds when the hologram is steady, and when it disappears.

- At the end of Redemption Part I (S6), an Holographic Anubis appears at SGC (there's the famous 'Prepare to meet your doom'). Then Carter deduces that Anubis stole the Asgard this holographic projection system.
In Season 8, we learn that Ba'al took all the remaining troops of the 'defeated' Anubis. Actually, we learn he took everything in the empire of Anubis. So I think he stole the Asgard Hologram System to Anubis ...


And maybe there's a 'keep the hologram image's original colors' button on the asgard device,
and Ba'al put it ON lol :D ...
Anubis may have stolen exactly how the tech works from Thor's brain, but maybe he didn't have the resources, or see the need, to impliment the 'change hologram based on conditions in the environment' feature.

DJFavorite
August 29th, 2004, 07:47 PM
I felt this was an 'ok' episode.

The Asgard clone was a good twist, but the rest seemed a little predictable.

When they were discussing the fact that they used different contracts to study the alien technology they have gathered, I was a little upset. Then I got to thinking, that they have been lucky this hasn't happened before. (I know, TPTB have that control...;) ) But if the SGC has been 'throwing around' alien technology, then they shouldn't be surprised when something like this happens and should have been more prepared on how to deal with it.

TechnoBoY
August 29th, 2004, 08:15 PM
I liked the ep but I thought this was a missed opportunity to expand the story. Up the storytelling. I was really hoping that the truth would get out. It wouldve been a lot more interesting and I bet you it wouldve been great if did right. Kinda dissapointed me that at the end it was all wrapped up. Although thats what I expected.

I liked the ep a lot though. Enjoyed it more then I thought it would!

Did anybody else notice that they redressed the Atlantis set and made it the headquarters of Coulson headquarters? I thought the banisters looks famillar then I realized they were from Atlantis. Or maybe they just used the same material? I am not sure. But they look alike!

Dolby1000
August 30th, 2004, 05:03 AM
Sam: " Welcome to my world."

Sums it all up.

I thought it was a good, strong episode. This could have been an average episode, but good casting (again) gives us excellent performances which makes Stargate SG1 fun to watch.

Also, to repeat what someone else said, kudos to Sci Fi channel for not giving away the Asgard portion of the story in the preview. That was a good surprise.

Dolby1000

Major Fischer
August 30th, 2004, 06:21 AM
Also, to repeat what someone else said, kudos to Sci Fi channel for not giving away the Asgard portion of the story in the preview. That was a good surprise.


Even the spoiler pictures that were out there didn't really establish what the heck was going on in them. I rather liked being surprised.

kiwigater
September 1st, 2004, 02:47 PM
well, I was away at the con, and standing in a queue when they showed this ep :( but I have finally watched it! I quite enjoyed it myself, more than any of the other earthbound eps so far this season. And even tho I had seen the photos with the Asguard I was still suprised at how they did it. And quite impressed! I would never have thought of using the Asguard technology that way - very ingenious! :D
I thought packing Alec off to another planet was a bit of a cop out, and I wish they'd shown this in the order they had originally intended (seeing as Daniel's off the cuff remark about "The Trust" last week bugged me quite a bit).
Still, overall I was intrigued, and entertained. I just hope we get some teamwork and perhaps even a trip through the big round thing in the very near future.... :p :S

Elwe Singollo
September 2nd, 2004, 10:27 PM
You know what, although i forgive the show for being different (because i'm one of those people who like the episodes so far), i almost forgot what the circle ring thing was :rolleyes: Haha...

zats
September 7th, 2004, 06:45 PM
To heck with the 'grow your own crystals' kit or Chia pets--I want an Asgaard kit! (Do you suppose I'd get anywhere by putting it on my christmas list?)

What happened to Sam's car from Desperate Measures? Although the red one is snazzy...

michelleb
September 14th, 2004, 02:47 AM
I iwsh i had something positive to say about this, i really do...well, jack and thor doing the white light thing to see the president was cool, but..i was so bored.

i couldn't care less about alec colson or his company. not only was jack hardly in it, but neither was teal'c. and why introduce a new character now, so close to the end, with so few loose ends tied up?

no, wait..the continutiy was good. using the reporter from prometheus and daniel getting bregman's meesages. but otherwise, please, don't ever show me alec colson again. and for pity's sake, don't waste any more episode time on new characters.

greytop
October 15th, 2004, 10:15 AM
I was just watching my tape of the show while waiting to leave. I saw water dripping off the stargate (it was a closeup). Do they have water it to keep it from over heating in such close quarters? :S

LMichelle
November 6th, 2004, 02:52 PM
Was it me or did the Colson Industries logo look suspciously similar to the Sci-fi Channel's logo?

Hmmm . . . :rolleyes:

Major Fischer
November 6th, 2004, 02:54 PM
Was it me or did the Colson Industries logo look suspciously similar to the Sci-fi Channel's logo?

Hmmm . . . :rolleyes:

Yes, it's been discussed and their are caps upthread.

Crazedwraith
November 23rd, 2004, 01:05 PM
Ok episode. Not setting off any major coolness vibes. Didn't like the new Alpha Site. One there were no .50Cals facing the gate. Two it looked far to advanced for something they cooked up while limited to the equipment you can fit through a Five-meter stargate. Myabe the had the promie fly some major construction stuff over bit it stiff didn't ahev the feel off the old one i knew and loved.

Watters87
November 23rd, 2004, 01:10 PM
An okay episode. I actually don't mind the new Alpha site. The only thing that really stood out for me was the appearance of Thor. Always a bonus when he's in an episode. :)

Ancients Rising
November 23rd, 2004, 01:18 PM
Great Alpha site. A proper Alpha site, not some two bob camp they put up.

Did anyone notice Thor's voice was different in this episode?

His appearance was also different.

The lack of RDA is really starting to become apparent now. His absence is starting to remove some of the "heart", if you could call it that, of the show. I don't know what that means for S9...

Major Fischer
November 23rd, 2004, 01:23 PM
I don't think it's nessecarily the lack of RDA, as much as it is that they are trying to imply Jack's presense in scenes and shoot his parts of scenes seperately from other people. It lacks feeling when they shoot a 4 person scene around Jack.

Madeleine
November 23rd, 2004, 01:31 PM
Oh boy does it help to have rock-bottom expectations :D I had known this one would be Earth-based and involve a possible leak, and couldn't help but expect the worst. And then I was really impressed by almost the whole ep.

It's the best Sam ep in aaaaaages. She was lovely. She was every bit the professional AF officer, and yet AT perfectly conveyed Sam's distaste with her assignments. She did the broadcast with real panache :). I'll have to watch it again to be sure, but this might displace ItLoD or Singularity in my top two of AT's acting. She handled those last few scenes particularly well.

Teal'c, Jack and Daniel were all as good as they could have been, given their small roles. Jack was clearly having fun in his new job, at last. Daniel looked far cuter than I remember him to have been. What's with that? (It couldn't have anything to do with a rare excursion to the Thunk thread last week, could it...?)

The main OC bloke was pretty okay. His Blackmailed Colleague was fantastic, best acting I've seen from an OC on Stargate. (Eeek, I've already forgotten their names. I'm like that, it shouldn't be seen as a slur on them, sorry!). Is it just me or are the OCs better on Stargate this year than the past two?

The episode dragged a bit on the Alpha site. Too much of that fella yakking self-righteously. Temporary blip though, it got back up to speed as soon as it got back to the SGC. The tragic stuff was surprisingly effective considering how little time we'd had to get a handle on the Blackmailed Colleague.

So far I'm really enjoying s8 more than s7, even if I do have a yen for a bit of gate-travel and exploration. Partly it's cos the OCs are decent, partly it's cos the plots are decent, partly it's cos I think they've got a bit more practiced at parcelling out the filming time of the overstretched actors. But also it's cos Mr W doesn't whinge how rubbish Stargate is during every ad break any more. He's liking s8 a lot, and by golly it's much more pleasant for me ;)

shelsfc
November 23rd, 2004, 02:00 PM
Not a bad episode.

I liked the Sam & Daniel moments - being contacted by Julia Donovan & Emmett Bregman, lol. And they both looked amazing out of uniform!!

Alec was alright - I did feel very sorry for him by the end.

Captain Shefield. Heh.

Definitly noticed the lack of Jack. Although from what we did see, he seems to be settling into 'General O'Neill' There was quite a lack of Teal'c too, but we've had a couple of Teal'c heavy eps recently, so I won't complain about that!!

A good ep for Sam, she came across very professional particularly with Donovan.

Ancients Rising
November 23rd, 2004, 02:48 PM
I don't think it's nessecarily the lack of RDA, as much as it is that they are trying to imply Jack's presense in scenes and shoot his parts of scenes seperately from other people. It lacks feeling when they shoot a 4 person scene around Jack.

Yes I'd go along with that. Couldn't express myself properly above :)

Erik Pasternak
November 23rd, 2004, 03:56 PM
There was quite a lack of Teal'c too, but we've had a couple of Teal'c heavy eps recently, so I won't complain about that!!Yep. They were probably shooting "Affinity" and "Avatar" around the same time. It seems to me that Jack was in more of this episode than those.

Matt G
November 23rd, 2004, 04:26 PM
1. Highlight of the ep had to be

Jack: We've called in a marker
Sam: We have?
Jack: Yes we've called in a marker...we've called...*enter Thor after ages*

2. I did not bank on the clone Asgard, nice move there.

3. Alec was a cocky SOB about Stargate security but such people do exist.

4. This ep was a better entrance for the Trust - dead cert.

Overall smooth ep.

Major Fischer
November 23rd, 2004, 04:31 PM
4. This ep was a better entrance for the Trust - dead cert.


Originally this episode was supposed to air before Affinity. I've never heard a very good reason for why they changed it.

tara3583
November 23rd, 2004, 08:49 PM
Liked this one:)

I did not see the Asguard clone coming so i really was surprised over that one.

Nice looking new Alpha site and i hope we see
more of that in s9.

I have to say at the begining i really did not
like Alex but by the end he just sort of grew
on me so i hope to see him again.

Erik Pasternak
November 23rd, 2004, 09:05 PM
Nice looking new Alpha site and i hope we see
more of that in s9.We see more of it in season eight!! "Endgame" to be specific.

Anubis
November 23rd, 2004, 11:16 PM
I wasn't looking forward to this episode at all, I thought it would be another waste episode, like some in the early S7 .. however the episode turned out really good in my opinion.


I like how Sam / Daniel took the professional approach to Alec at his company HQ, and how they went to deny everything, but immediately had it all thrown right back at the by the pictures on the screen. :D


Shame Alec's friend hung himself, but I was expecting him to die anyway, so it wasn't much of a shock. We're also finally learning more about The Trust, although we don't know a lot in detail about it right now, but I heard more is described later in S8. :)


The Asgard that Alec used to prove life .. that was very clever, I really thought it was a real asgard at first and then it all turned around.


Bringing Alec to the SGC to meet with Thor was great, the gate, technologies and the new alpha site .. which looks so much like the SGC in many ways, that I do think it is the SGC. ;)


And I love the bit with Thor sitting in O'Neill's office with Dnaile and Jack. When Sam walks in and say they have a meeting with the President in five minutes .. Sam stares being confused and they beam up .. and down. :D Great stuff.


Teal'c didn't say an awful lot in this episode apart from the odd one or two words, I hope we get to see a lot more dialogue from him soon, like we've seen in Avatar and Affinity. :)

Major Clanger
November 24th, 2004, 11:43 AM
1. Where's Teal'c
2. cute Daniel (mmmmmmmmmm)
3. Good Sam.
4. didn't see the Asgard clone coming, so that was good
but
5. Capt. Sheffield?????? get outta here!

OK, so this ep wasn't actually bad, but ... I can't quite put my finger on it. I wasn't exactly bored, and I was bouncing around waiting for Atlantis (sorry, cheating on Stargate with Atlantis - I can't help myself) and I was also writing a short story.

All in all, not a bad ep, and I will watch it again. But it won't be up there with my favourites.

.:Lemon:.
November 25th, 2004, 12:42 PM
I wasn't too excited about this episode, but after watching it I thought it was pretty good. I liked the casting of Alec- thought he was played well. And also we got a bit more info on The Trust. But Teal'c was hardly in it at all! He had like 5 lines!....okay well maybe more than that, but he didn't really add anything to the story. I thought it was an okay episode though.

SeaBee
November 27th, 2004, 05:33 AM
I enjoyed the first 2 episodes of this season, then found the next 5 average at best. So it was with a heavy heart I tuned into this episode, expecting little. Boy, was I surprised. This was a much better episode, back to something approaching the previous seasons.

The interactions between the main characters seemed more natural, much less forced than earlier eps., and everybody looked as if they were enjoying themselves.

Loved the Asgard clone and Thor's intervention.
Liked the new Alpha site, nice to see some offworld action and the stargate.

WraithWarrior
November 29th, 2004, 06:34 AM
I think Jack was so funny when he had to meet the president and then beemed out of the SGC with Thor. I dont know if anyone noticed and I know it doesnt really matter, but there was a discontinuity error with the gate when Alex (i think) was going through the gate for the first time. The triangle things normally open and then close when a chevron is locked but it didnt.

AlphaBlu
December 9th, 2004, 03:04 AM
Well I just saw it again, this time in non-squinty vision. The "hangar bay" at the alpha site is just the Gateroom redressed, I'm certain of it. I'm not talking about the scene after their flight, but the one just as Sam is offering Colson the chance to fly. It's the back wall of the Gateroom and a re-don outter room (rather than the normal corridor).

Also, as much as I like the ep, the fact that the SGC sent Daniel to talk Colson down was a really, really stupid idea. Why would you send a man who has well known theories about aliens and humanity, a man who was laughed out of the scientific world, and a man who has vanished from the world of acedimia for 8 years in to talk to a business man about not releasing the truth. Doesn't that seem a little weird?

BYE

Madeleine
December 9th, 2004, 04:51 AM
Also, as much as I like the ep, the fact that the SGC sent Daniel to talk Colson down was a really, really stupid idea. Why would you send a man who has well known theories about aliens and humanity, a man who was laughed out of the scientific world, and a man who has vanished from the world of acedimia for 8 years in to talk to a business man about not releasing the truth. Doesn't that seem a little weird?

Weird because of Daniel, or weird because of how Coulson would recieve Daniel? I can see the irony in DJ being the one that went, but it didn't seem terribly dodgy to me since it was clearly Sam's brief and Daniel was there as Sam's moral support.

Coulson picked up on who Daniel was; that could really have gone either way. It could have played into C's conspiracy suspicions and undermined Sam, or it could have been seen as a silent message of you wouldn't be the first to have espoused 'crackpot' ideas and then shut up... and there are reasons I'm keeping these secrets. As it happened C focussed much more on Sam than on Daniel, and he had far more convincing proof than the circumstantial evidence of a former-crackpot archaeologist hanging out with the USAF, so Daniel really didn't seem out of place here, to me.

(I'm going to have to work a heck of a lot harder than this on getting him to fit into the role of interrogator in Endgame, aren't I ;))

AlphaBlu
December 9th, 2004, 08:16 PM
It should've been Carter and Davis who showed up, not Carter and Daniel. Davis was the first one on the scene after Julia Donovan threatened to reveal the Prometheus project.

BYE

david2708
December 9th, 2004, 10:40 PM
Mr Sheffeild!!..Mr Sheffield!!!
At any moment I thought Fran Drescher would come out left of screen-or through the Stargate.
I thought the ep pretty boring.
Season eight continues to be pretty lacklustre with one or two exceptions. God, I hope the second half improves!!

walterwhatshisface
January 28th, 2005, 07:17 PM
I liked the Episode I guess this is as close as anybody's gonna get to tell sg-1 to kiss there ass I'm going public...I feel kinda torn because they sgc are heroes but when it comes to the stargate and the potential benefits to humanity on a non military applications..lets be honest they are less than forth right understandably for good reason...here's a scenario...lets say that somebody like like a joe spencer(citizen Joe) decides to go public and lets say the NID will do anything in its power to keep that secret...including threats on that persons lifeand or assasinations...or the military imply's that a civilian could be tried for treason if they disclose the stargate..do you think members of the SGC would feel bad if an "average person" was locked up for life just becasue they knew and could confirm the stargates existence

ok maybe Im mixing real world with fantasy..and we'll never see a scenario like this on the show..but it would be intersting though

Matt G
January 29th, 2005, 03:23 PM
I've done fan fic on that scenario(attempting to discredit people who find out about the Stargate) and I'd probably say it would depend on the nature of those wanting to go public.

It's sticky ground however you play it.

Stricken
May 26th, 2005, 04:43 AM
BORING this has been done over and over agian no more

Thats my view anyway

Lucreleia
August 27th, 2005, 05:32 AM
I just loved to see Maxwell Sheffield in SG1!!!

(For those not fans of The Nanny, that was Charles character there)

And it was funny that the man who received Colson and Sam at the Alpha Site was called Sheffield! :p

Lucreleia
August 27th, 2005, 05:44 AM
Well, just be glad Charles Shaughnessy didn't bring Fran Drescher with him, unless you like her cause then you can be sad. But just imagine that voice for an entire hour in that setting...

C'mon! I can't be the only one that thought "HEY! That's the dude from The Nanny!"

As you can see from my previous post, you weren't! :D

Darkstar
November 8th, 2005, 10:24 AM
the SGC dodged a bullet there but id have to say that this episode and the episode "sight unseen" would arouse the suspicion of many people, who knows maybe down the line an episode of SG will feature a group of sci fi internet geeks who try to challenge the SGC and are caught up in a battle with the Ori on an asgard ship, the banter would be so funny even better than coombs and felger in "the other guys" hehe imagine that!!!?:rolleyes:

OrangeShipper
January 8th, 2007, 05:58 AM
Initial apologies if I repeat anything anyones said, which I probably will; I haven't had a chance to read all the posts!

Wasn't sure about this ep.. Generally I like the ones where someone threatens to go public, but this one was a little boring in places.

Thor was AMAZING!! I LOVED that he went on the news program as a hologram and played along with it, and that he just beamed all the incriminating stuff away. Jack beaming to a meeting with the President was fantastic too!! Teeheehee! I guessed the clone WAS a vacant clone, but only once Carter and Daniel said it looked a little blank, Before that, I thought it was scared and confused, it was really heartbreaking!!

Did anyone else think that Alec looked scarily like Tanith??

Starpass
January 8th, 2007, 10:57 AM
Did anyone else think that Alec looked scarily like Tanith??

Yes, thanks for mentioning it.:)

Darkstar 2.0
November 2nd, 2007, 03:48 PM
I've probably posted on this episode before, Admitidly, I didn't use to like this episode, I regarded it as rather dull and eventless, then seeing that it ties in with the rest of season 8, I can see how useful it is to have in here.

It's certainly a decent idea on the writers part for including an episode and references to events that were global and that were contempary, Unlike the dreaded ST reset button, SG1 does indeed keep the continuity going and frequently refers back to previous episodes on many occasions.

theheartsofatlantis
July 26th, 2008, 05:38 AM
I saw this episode this past week on Sci Fi, very nice. When I saw the Asgard Clone (I didnt know it was a clone at first) I was like shocked, I was hoping the team would run in and save it which that did thanks to Thor.

MmmmMcKAy
August 19th, 2008, 03:51 PM
This episode was lame. I couldn't wait for it to end.

Korumera
September 1st, 2008, 10:24 PM
Watched this episode yesterday again. And I really love it, the fact that there trying to cover up something huge like aliens wanted to destroy earth is always fun to watch. The scenes with Thor and O'niel are always fun to watch :D.

L E E
September 19th, 2008, 12:25 AM
as always, my fave part would be the thor and jack scenes. but overall, not really exciting.

slamaina
December 21st, 2008, 12:54 PM
At 35:14 into the episode, Daniel says to Alec Colson, "The F.C.C. is investigating you for securities fraud". The F.C.C. is the Federal Communications Commission. The S.E.C. is the Securities and Exchange Commission and they investigate securities fraud.

Hornet
April 14th, 2009, 09:42 AM
I do like this episode

Although of course we all know the program would never be made public in the end, but what really kept me at the edge of my seat was how are they going to change his mind, what will happens that will keep him from disclosing it. That guy sure was stubborn to the core

That beta site's kind of empty though, looks like a quiet place, lol.

nmmb
July 10th, 2009, 05:31 AM
A bit boring but Thor's appearance on the news as awesome!

Also covering the Stargate is getting more and more far-fetched! I hope they stop doing this kinds of episodes!

SamJackShipper93
August 1st, 2009, 10:39 AM
LOL! I loved seeing Charles on here, but like many other people have said, every time he turned around I expected him to yell, "MISS FINE!" LOL! :) And I loved the Captain Schefield part. Very funny!

MechaThor
August 3rd, 2009, 06:00 AM
Just re-watched this epsiode after not seeing it for ages, and I really enjoyed it.

Loved the scene where Thor was just handing out with O'Neill and Daniel in O'Neill's office, sitting in a Human chair and debating with O'Neill about what gift he should get the President. This is one of them rare scenes in which we actually see the friendship between Thor and SG-1 and that Thor is not always all about his work. Wish we could have seen more scenes with Thor just hanging out, as one of the "guys".

Sp!der
September 18th, 2009, 05:26 AM
I must admitt, besides Reckoning Pt,1 &2, and Threads this is my most favorite episode of this season! just love how colson tries to reveal the truth about aliens, and anubis ship around earth....and i love it mainly cause of the actor of colson, he is just a cool guy and i wished he was more then once in sg1 but what the hell. love this episode!

mrscopterdoc
March 30th, 2010, 03:51 PM
Not one of my favorite episodes.

maneth
November 5th, 2010, 11:55 AM
Not one of my faves either. The 8th season started really well, but the last few episodes have been really disappointing. Still, I wonder where Colson ended up going...

mathpiglet
April 6th, 2011, 12:01 PM
I thought the way they tried to handle Colson a logical plan. And any episode with Thor is a good one IMHO.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
March 12th, 2012, 03:18 PM
Another average episode. It's stupid this originally aired out of order.

A highlight of the episode is that Sexy Sam came back.

Tomorrow, a wedding, maybe.

Krisz
March 13th, 2012, 05:59 PM
One of my favourite episodes of the season.

It really does make you wonder what can be covered up and what happens to those who believe the truth should be shared with everyone. Poor Colson paid the price, everything he had gone overnight because of other powerful groups thinking otherwise. Even with the cloned Asgard as proof he was still discredited. The actor's earnest portrayal of Colson really drove this story along, loved his performance of the man who believed what he was doing was right while too many people around him didn't!

One of the best Earth based stories for me as it shows how, despite the dangers to Earth from aliens it's a few powerful people on Earth that are worse!!!

Lieutenant Sparrow
March 14th, 2012, 12:52 AM
A pretty good ep. Earth based eps usually aren't enjoyable. But this one was.

Colson was annoying with how stubborn he was. He did pay a huge price for his stubborness in the end though.

I kept expecting Nanny Fine to pop up.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
March 14th, 2012, 10:45 AM
This episode drives me nuts. The minute this self-righteous twit decided to "go public" with information, he doomed his company. The writers obviously knew absolutely nothing about the US laws government contractors have to follow.

Seaboe

Jae'a
March 14th, 2012, 01:46 PM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/43252.html)

My mum thought the Asgard clone was Thor at first. Yeah, as if Thor would put up with that! :P

jelgate
March 17th, 2012, 01:51 PM
The SciFi mix-up does not hurt this episode nearly as much as the previous one. It is a fairly decent actually. Its a wonder a rich company hasn't decided to dislose the Stargate program in the past. Yes I know the rogue NID orginally was founded by rich people but I find it surprising a more moral rich person like Collson hadn't revealed the program already when the government has such weak cover stories in the past. I kind of like the political ramifications this episode has as Sam tries to get Alec to stop with the disclosing of the Stargate program. The only thing I didn't like is how easily the Trust was able to discredit him when we struggled so much. It came off as too easy of a solution to the problem of the world finding out.

Matt G
March 20th, 2012, 03:46 AM
Another ep of SG1...

1. Alec came accross as more annoying than ever second time around.

2. The Trust are just more ruthless than our guys...you can play fair or you can play to win...and our guys prefer to play fair with the likes of Colson.

3. Kevin was just a moron though...there are some lines you don't cross.

4. Don't think I clocked the "hologram" was Thor first time round.

gateraid
April 15th, 2012, 02:58 AM
Finally, eight years into the show, we get to see Sam actually fly something!!!!

Although your mileage may vary on that - she did pilot the Prometheus more than once in s6, as well as that drill on Langara :rolleyes:

discodiva
April 15th, 2012, 01:45 PM
Have to say I too kept expecting "Nanny" to turn up during this one....:P


LOVED both Daniel and Sam in their "Power Suits" when they turned up at Colson's office..:daniel: :sam:


Deeds xx

Baron Of Hell
July 25th, 2013, 10:37 AM
I didn't like this one. The people are not ready to know. When will they be ready to know. When won't they panic. One world destroys itself when the find out about the stargate but 100 others didn't.

Scofield
July 25th, 2013, 10:57 AM
Though i don't think the world was not ready to now, i don't find Colson being a bad man. He is actually a good man but with this flaw which he should solve. He just wants to do something right, but he does not realise that for the time being it's wrong. So here i say again, his intention are good but he's timing is bad(though you may say theese 2 are linked).

Seaboe Muffinchucker
July 26th, 2013, 07:07 AM
his intention are good but he's timing is bad(though you may say theese 2 are linked).

His intentions are, at best, mixed. The episode makes clear that he is very selfish and does not care what effect his behavior has on others. He wants what he wants, when he wants it and to hell with anyone else. He doesn't even have the grace to inform his subordinates and employees that he is ruining his company and destroying their jobs (and there's no way he ever became a government contractor without knowing that would be the result of his actions).

Seaboe

Scofield
July 26th, 2013, 07:23 AM
If you put it that way...he is kinda stuborn, but he is not unsaveable.

garhkal
July 27th, 2013, 10:53 PM
One of my favourite episodes of the season.

It really does make you wonder what can be covered up and what happens to those who believe the truth should be shared with everyone. Poor Colson paid the price, everything he had gone overnight because of other powerful groups thinking otherwise. Even with the cloned Asgard as proof he was still discredited. The actor's earnest portrayal of Colson really drove this story along, loved his performance of the man who believed what he was doing was right while too many people around him didn't!

One of the best Earth based stories for me as it shows how, despite the dangers to Earth from aliens it's a few powerful people on Earth that are worse!!!

Yup. Most films/shows where someone tries to 'reveal the truth' about what is going on, the person is either killed, discretted or labled insane and hounded, to make anything they say not heard.

Scofield
July 28th, 2013, 12:58 AM
Yup. Most films/shows where someone tries to 'reveal the truth' about what is going on, the person is either killed, discretted or labled insane and hounded, to make anything they say not heard.
Unfortunately it's true, but at least for some believers, those appearences means a great deal for them and if later that person is discreditted it doesn't matter for those who believe...

Janet Fraiser
July 31st, 2015, 01:33 PM
Season eight feels strange and directionless. I find it weird that most of my favorite episodes throughout the show are monster-of-the-week types, but here I just want to get back to the main storyline... whatever it is.

By itself, I think this ep is good, but it also feels a bit dull after Affinity. I have little interest in the conspiracy plots and anything involving the NID.

Oh, Thor acting as a hologram had me in fits, though. I also liked seeing him sitting in O'Neill's office. The ep is worth watching for his scenes alone. :P

garhkal
August 3rd, 2015, 11:07 PM
Personall i would have rather they had MORE NID episodes.. I have always liked Political skullduggery movies/books.

Janet Fraiser
August 4th, 2015, 07:38 AM
Personall i would have rather they had MORE NID episodes.. I have always liked Political skullduggery movies/books.

I wouldn't mind it if that's what the show was originally about, but I guess I just miss the old seasons with more exploration and adventure. Some parts of this show feel a bit too X-Files for me, and while I love the X-Files, I'd rather Stargate, as a totally different kind of show, not go down that road.

I get that they have to come up with new storylines as the series progresses, and it's unrealistic to think that there would be no repercussions for operating such a program on Earth in secret for as long as they have. I just can't help but be a bit put off by it as a matter of preference, unfortunately.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
August 4th, 2015, 11:04 AM
A show doesn't last as long as this one did without producing episodes for a variety of tastes. This inevitably means that there are episodes that various fans dislike for various reasons. If they didn't, it would mean they were doing the same thing over and over, not attracting new fans, and not showing growth.

Seaboe

Janet Fraiser
August 4th, 2015, 03:20 PM
A show doesn't last as long as this one did without producing episodes for a variety of tastes. This inevitably means that there are episodes that various fans dislike for various reasons. If they didn't, it would mean they were doing the same thing over and over, not attracting new fans, and not showing growth.

Seaboe

Of course. I noticed the reaction to Full Alert was largely positive, and I wasn't crazy about that one. If anything, I can re-watch older episodes that I like more. I know the rest of the show will have a variety of stories to tell, so I'm still looking forward to the coming seasons.

I don't expect others to share my opinion, but it's still satisfying to post my thoughts here. Hopefully I don't sound too negative. :)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
August 5th, 2015, 06:19 AM
You didn't notice I pretty much hate this episode? I'm shocked. ;)

For me, a major problem with this episode is specialized knowledge. I know the rules for working for the government, and I know how serious the consequences are for breaking them. Watching this jerk deliberately sabotage his own company and employees because of his blind adherence to "justice" annoys me (to put it mildly).

Seaboe

Janet Fraiser
August 6th, 2015, 09:22 AM
You didn't notice I pretty much hate this episode? I'm shocked. ;)

Haha, I noticed. I've been getting some of the episodes for this season mixed up as I visit the different threads. :P The conspiracy/Trust/Earth episodes are really a mishmash for me at this point.


For me, a major problem with this episode is specialized knowledge. I know the rules for working for the government, and I know how serious the consequences are for breaking them. Watching this jerk deliberately sabotage his own company and employees because of his blind adherence to "justice" annoys me (to put it mildly).

Seaboe

Eh, who cares about all of *those* people. It's justice that we need, and there's only one man brave enough to get it at all costs. :rolleyes:

Claire98909
October 5th, 2015, 03:52 PM
What was Jack implying with this line?

O'NEILL
We know who he is.
(to Carter, pointedly)
Some of us better than others.

CARTER
We worked together briefly, sir. Colson Aviation developed the multi engine control systems for the F-302s. Colson didn't know what they were for, of course, but he is a brilliant engineer.

Was he implying something deeper than a professional relationship?

hedwig
October 5th, 2015, 05:49 PM
What was Jack implying with this line?

O'NEILL
We know who he is.
(to Carter, pointedly)
Some of us better than others.

CARTER
We worked together briefly, sir. Colson Aviation developed the multi engine control systems for the F-302s. Colson didn't know what they were for, of course, but he is a brilliant engineer.

Was he implying something deeper than a professional relationship?

At one time, there was apparently some thought within the writers of SG1 to have Sam have a history with Alec Colson, but they decided not to go with it, but they evidently didn't think to change Jack's comments there. At least, that's my understanding of the situation.

Anja
October 6th, 2015, 02:12 AM
Working together on some maybe sensitive object/subject means that you have to know each other quite well - otherwise there is no profit from working together. Carter is not that type of woman to have had relationships with whoever appears on her doorstep - scientist, alien or alien criminal. IMO.:sam:

hammerbutt
February 9th, 2018, 12:43 PM
I'm guessing they didn't have the budget to bring William Devane in but I was disappointed they skipped over the scene where the President and O'Neill try to get some Asgard tech out of Thor

Platschu
September 2nd, 2018, 09:04 AM
Alec Colson looked like an interesting character, maybe he should be a recurring one in a future SG spinoff.

His office was the re-furnished SG:A balcony set.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 4th, 2018, 07:54 AM
Alec Coulson was a jerk and an selfish asshat.

Seaboe

AleksisMi
September 6th, 2018, 07:46 PM
i always hated the glyder scene where he appears to be crashing into the ground, that was the one event that went to far on many levels, perhaps as a engineer he knows the exact limits of the ships systems and his suit, but did he take the time to read that planets gravity information and weather effects on flight? maybe he did, maybe it doesnt even matter with the type of engines the f302s utilize, but he was beyond shelfish endangering two brilliant engineers lives, a competent and trustworthy ceos life, and a important military and dignitarys life, losing them both would be like losing daniels translation abilities at the begining of sg1s run :/

but thats purely instory stuff, i did like his character overall, and his loooks perhaps too, he was a .... to borrow red foremans lingo, a ass hat, but he was a good ass hat that was useful and could change and become even better as a offworld engineer running ia f-304 manufacturie or whatever they would design next

Falcon Horus
August 18th, 2019, 03:29 PM
This was a fairly OK episode.

It certainly has an interesting plotline where a tech-company guy wants to expose the stargate program to the public, no matter the consequences such a reveal might have on the general public, or basically the world.

Would the public be able to live with the knowledge? Or not? Nobody really knows, I guess, but considering the alien technology the US and Russia to the extent are developing with regards to weaponry and ships -- I can only guess that would not go over well with the rest of the world, and we'd be killing each other into oblivion sooner rather than later.

Never mind the god-complex of the Goa'uld and how that would affect what people believe or not believe.

Anyways... notice how little we go off-world. Quite a few stories now have taken place mainly on Earth, like the stargate itself has become a secondary thought to the show.

Alec Colson's office floor on what will become part of the Atlantis set or perhaps the Atlantis set existed and they borrowed it for the episode. :p

How would you rate SG-1's "Covenant"?

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

Seaboe Muffinchucker
August 19th, 2019, 06:15 AM
I'm sure I've said before that I hate this episode. Because of what I do, I know what the real world reaction to Colson's actions would be, and it would not be pretty. Clearly, TPTB had no clue how US government contracting works.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
August 19th, 2019, 02:01 PM
Or they simply didn't care to ask how it works.

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Who Knows
August 19th, 2019, 06:49 PM
14:47

Seaboe Muffinchucker
August 20th, 2019, 06:13 AM
Or they simply didn't care to ask how it works.

You're probably right. Like they didn't care, so they had Rodney talking about OSHA requirements on Atlantis (1. OSHA is a US agency--why would a Canadian care? B. OSHA would have no jurisdiction in Atlantis), had the Air Force design and build the F-302 (ha!), and threw around treason convictions like it was a petty crime.

This one bothers me more than the others, though.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
August 22nd, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jigsaw time: 09:35

Ilana
September 3rd, 2019, 04:44 AM
Hi, I was just randomly thinking, cause I'm doing a re-watch, any speculation where Colson might have gone at the end of the episode? Just curious if anyone has any interesting ideas....

Who Knows
September 3rd, 2019, 05:06 AM
12.06 on second go

hedwig
September 3rd, 2019, 12:56 PM
Hi, I was just randomly thinking, cause I'm doing a re-watch, any speculation where Colson might have gone at the end of the episode? Just curious if anyone has any interesting ideas....

Here is what the transcript says about that. It suggests he is getting sent to another planet.


COLSON: Problem with a guy like me -- no place on Earth I can hide.
CARTER: Who's talking about Earth?
(Colson looks at her.)
COLSON: Oh, no. No, I couldn't let you do that.
CARTER: Believe me, I wouldn't be here without the approval of my superiors. Now, the President wasn't responsible for what happened to you but he's also not sorry that you were publicly discredited. (Colson looks away, unsure.) Please, Alec, come with me. You can still make a difference. He who fights and runs away ...
(Colson chuckles briefly, then looks down at the pistol. After a moment, he puts the pistol down.)
COLSON: ... lives to fight another day. (Sam nods. He chuckles again.) And no-one will ever know.
CARTER (smiling sympathetically): Welcome to my world.