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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 807</FONT>
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Teal'c becomes the chief suspect in a murder investigation after he moves into an apartment off-base. Carter considers her future with Pete.

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Excali5033
August 20th, 2004, 06:03 PM
Not bad. The team's dynamic just gets better with age.

Man...can't wait to see the fallout on here from "THAT." :)

Elwe Singollo
August 20th, 2004, 06:06 PM
What an interesting episode :D Who else yelled at the tv saying shut up to the boy that was praising Teal'c for throwing a rock (i think?) at the thief, gosh, his character should have been left out of the episode! I think maybe Daniel should have pushed the envelope a little more saying how if they killed him there, who else would help them translate. Also, no punishment for Krista??? I got all emotional a little at the end with Carter saying, Yes a lot :D

Skydiver
August 20th, 2004, 06:07 PM
eh, it's sorta like chimera redux....we just have teal'c/krista instead of daniel/sarah

i think the most poignant part, which will get overshadowed, is that poor teal'c has to s urrender his freedom to protect his friends...on sg1 and on earth.

he was so enjoying being out of the sgc and living normally and now he has to go back to living as a prisoner for everyone's safety

my one big quibble.....there is no lake in colorado springs :)

Orce
August 20th, 2004, 06:08 PM
Love the episode. Teal'c becomes more likeable as he becomes more human. Can't wait to see the angry feedback from Jack/Sam shippers everywhere.lol. Don't worry people, Pete will probably succumb to the black widow curse.

Elwe Singollo
August 20th, 2004, 06:09 PM
Did they mention where he lived exactly? If they didn't, maybe he lived somewhere else in Colorado, maybe :rolleyes:.

Mio
August 20th, 2004, 06:12 PM
Here's what was on Daniel's computer when translated from Ancient:

"Actual Words Are Hard To Decide So This'll Work"


I paused the TiVo to translate. Now I have to finish watching :D

Skydiver
August 20th, 2004, 06:15 PM
Did they mention where he lived exactly? If they didn't, maybe he lived somewhere else in Colorado, maybe :rolleyes:.


there aren't many lakes in colorado in general....but given that he works at the SGC, he would't live too far away. Next closest towns are an hour in each direction

marimba26
August 20th, 2004, 06:15 PM
Gads! How do I hate episode let me count the ways...

1--not enough Jack
2--not enough Daniel
3--not enough Teal'c, thought this ep was supposed to be Teal'c-centric, I now think it was more about insulting shippers
4--more Sam and Pete--ick
5--what's up with the twit neighbor, how cliche was she?
6--can we say SOAP OPERA???? What happened to my favorite show?
7--what's up with that stalker comment? Is that a personal stab at shippers? Personally, I'm offended. Hated that. Stupid, and there was no reason to put it in other than to tick people off.

I think I could go on for HOURS about how BAD and CLICHE this ep was! It could have been a really cool Teal'c ep and I was hopeful after the teaser but NO, we can't have that, can we? :mad: :mad: :mad: If there is an ep I'd quit watching over this might be it. Worse than all the other eps I don't like times TEN!!!! Worse than Enemy Mine+Chimera+every other ep I don't like combined--TIMES TEN!!!!!!!!!! I hate the fact that I have now lost my mojo AGAIN! I was just getting over the ills that were Season 7! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

anisea
August 20th, 2004, 06:18 PM
grrr......

this episode mad me soooo mad. i cannot believe she said yes. this has killed my love for the show. maybe stalker pete will change, yes that would be great.

i am soo mad. what a waste of an episode.

Major Fischer
August 20th, 2004, 06:22 PM
I am not a shipper, but I found the stalker line to be incredibly insulting.

Orce
August 20th, 2004, 06:23 PM
Gads! How do I hate episode let me count the ways...

1--not enough Jack
2--not enough Daniel
3--not enough Teal'c, thought this ep was supposed to be Teal'c-centric, I now think it was more about insulting shippers
4--more Sam and Pete--ick
5--what's up with the twit neighbor, how cliche was she?
6--can we say SOAP OPERA???? What happened to my favorite show?
7--what's up with that stalker comment? Is that a personal stab at shippers? Personally, I'm offended. Hated that. Stupid, and there was no reason to put it in other than to tick people off.

I think I could go on for HOURS about how BAD and CLICHE this ep was! It could have been a really cool Teal'c ep and I was hopeful after the teaser but NO, we can't have that, can we? :mad: :mad: :mad: If there is an ep I'd quit watching over this might be it. Worse than all the other eps I don't like times TEN!!!! Worse than Enemy Mine+Chimera+every other ep I don't like combined--TIMES TEN!!!!!!!!!! I hate the fact that I have now lost my mojo AGAIN! I was just getting over the ills that were Season 7! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

You make for a good argument, but the episode wasn't that bad. The stalker comment, although it needed more explaining, was kinda like saying that Sam knew what happened and she accepted it and forgave Pete. Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for Sam/Jack but for now, Pete is a good guy. Also, the soap opera comment. Just because it focuses on emotions and love interests, that doesn't qualify as a soap opera. The acting in this episode is way better than a soap opera(even the annoying little kid). Overall, I found your comments a little negative and maybe a short-sighted.

Mio
August 20th, 2004, 06:26 PM
How the hell did they get their hands on Asgard transporters?!

anisea
August 20th, 2004, 06:26 PM
maybe it is over the top, but when a guy almost stalks you once- i feel that he is still a stalker. plus-- the luck of the black widow has stood true for 8 seasons. pete just gives me a negative vibe. maybe he'll change-- but he needs to evolve, i just don't see sam happy in the long run.

GoneShippin'
August 20th, 2004, 06:27 PM
Gads! How do I hate episode let me count the ways...

1--not enough Jack
2--not enough Daniel
3--not enough Teal'c, thought this ep was supposed to be Teal'c-centric, I now think it was more about insulting shippers
4--more Sam and Pete--ick
5--what's up with the twit neighbor, how cliche was she?
6--can we say SOAP OPERA???? What happened to my favorite show?
7--what's up with that stalker comment? Is that a personal stab at shippers? Personally, I'm offended. Hated that. Stupid, and there was no reason to put it in other than to tick people off.

I think I could go on for HOURS about how BAD and CLICHE this ep was! It could have been a really cool Teal'c ep and I was hopeful after the teaser but NO, we can't have that, can we? :mad: :mad: :mad: If there is an ep I'd quit watching over this might be it. Worse than all the other eps I don't like times TEN!!!! Worse than Enemy Mine+Chimera+every other ep I don't like combined--TIMES TEN!!!!!!!!!! I hate the fact that I have now lost my mojo AGAIN! I was just getting over the ills that were Season 7! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


DITTO
DITTO
DITTO
and AGREED!!!

Di

Orce
August 20th, 2004, 06:28 PM
I was hoping for a little more when Jack and Sam were talking about Pete's proposal. That whole scene kinda left me hanging.

marimba26
August 20th, 2004, 06:29 PM
Here's what was on Daniel's computer when translated from Ancient:

"Actual Words Are Hard To Decide So This'll Work"


I paused the TiVo to translate. Now I have to finish watching :D

ROFLMAOO!!!! Seems to have applied to the ep as a whole--"actual plot is hard to decide so this'll work"

getcarter
August 20th, 2004, 06:30 PM
I think the stalker line was ridiculous! Like they are lauging at us. I think it should have been adressed with a little more class.

I can't beleive that Sam said yes!!!! If you have to think about it for two weeks and whine and carry on about it then you DO NOT need to be getting married. Especially to PETE!!!! YUCK!! I am still a firm believer in Sam and Jack but the fact that she said yes left a bad taste in my mouth. And where the heck was Jack? Thought Teal'c & Daniel were supposed to be his best friends. I can't believe he would let everything go down without being there.

Still love the show but this was definitely a storyline to get a fan reaction!! Well, PTB - you got it!! :p

snappy
August 20th, 2004, 06:30 PM
I mostly lurk here but...

To be honest, that episode was just luke warm for me.

I'm a S/J shipper but I actually kinda like Pete. (Yes, it is true -- not all of us hate Pete :) ) To think that Sam would take that moment to say Yes just didn't ring true to me. And to hug/kiss in the middle of the warehouse at the end of an op where she was in charge, is that really the right moment?

I didn't read any spoilers but you could just feel it coming that the attractive next door neighbor with the drunk boyfriend would shack up with the new single wholesome guy who moved in. And for a little variety, a woman struggling to make up her mind over getting married (e.g. am I bowing to the pressures of society to be a couple, do I really want to do this, am I being fair to him). Overall, the show felt a little to 'Melrose Place' for me.

Anyway, my 2 cents -- what's yours?

the adventurer
August 20th, 2004, 06:31 PM
Yeah, She said Yes! The show takes a step forword.

And Teal'C is the man, that Rock Moment was total badassery. I really want to see the sub plot with the NID goes.

Major Fischer
August 20th, 2004, 06:35 PM
My other major issue, besides feeling like a lot of the Sam/Pete thing was forced as a tweek (I don't think they meant it as an insult) at the fans, was the scene with the ring.

Let's put it this way:

A black ops air force lieutenant colonel is walking in the park, with tons of people around, within feet, and certainly within ear shot, while her boyfriend discusses the most important national security secret ever.

And she lets him continue, with little more than a 'you know i can't talk about that.'

That bothered me a lot more than the romance. It's making Carter look incompetent. She could got to the US Disciplinary Barracks at Leavenworth for that. I'm deadly serious. No matter how many times she's saved the world.

marimba26
August 20th, 2004, 06:35 PM
You make for a good argument, but the episode wasn't that bad. The stalker comment, although it needed more explaining, was kinda like saying that Sam knew what happened and she accepted it and forgave Pete. Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for Sam/Jack but for now, Pete is a good guy. Also, the soap opera comment. Just because it focuses on emotions and love interests, that doesn't qualify as a soap opera. The acting in this episode is way better than a soap opera(even the annoying little kid). Overall, I found your comments a little negative and maybe a short-sighted.

well, just so we're clear on the exact meaning of my comments...

I qualified this a soap-opera-ish because of the STYLE of the ep as a whole NOT because of the emotions and love interests. We've seen plenty of other eps that focused on the same things with a totally different style. Oh the acting is fine, the style wasn't. Of course as you are well aware, this is just MHO so before you call someone 'negative and short-sighted' you should consider that. Last I checked, EVERYONE was allowed to post their opinions here as long as they don't PERSONALLY attack others--which is exactly what you just did to me. I was not attacking ANYTHING but this episode and I do believe forum rules allow me to hate said ep.

Selmak
August 20th, 2004, 06:35 PM
How the hell did they get their hands on Asgard transporters?!
I'm not sure that it was an Asgard transporter... It sounded somewhat like a ring transporter but more like the Atlantis elevator thing.

anisea
August 20th, 2004, 06:37 PM
sry you all. i took back what i previously stated about the stalker line. emotions were running a little high and i see the inappropriateness of that comment.

i still don't sit well with pete. sam is too independent to settle with him. her concerns were justified in the episode. she never should have caved in.

GoneShippin'
August 20th, 2004, 06:37 PM
I was hoping for a little more when Jack and Sam were talking about Pete's proposal. That whole scene kinda left me hanging.


Yeah, a little more as in Sam, Don't DO IT!!!

Bah!
Di

auralan
August 20th, 2004, 06:40 PM
Things I liked:


Shirtless Teal'c. Drool. Yes, shallow. And enjoying it.
Seeing Teal'c off base. I love seeing his more human side and that development. He was great with the kid and all the training scenes rocked.
Daniel making the tough call to translate the symbols. It was a great moral quandry for him. Love it!
The cinematography. Very, very nicely filmed episode. Loved the candle shots.
Teal'c's apartment. The decorations were priceless. Kudos to the art department on that one.


Things I didn't like:


The bad guys were very one-dimensional. I would have liked more background and depth to them.
Drunk guy was such a cliche. I've seen this character on ER thirty times.
Teal'c having to move back to base. I liked the development of giving him a life. Now what? he's had a taste of living outside the mountain. Gotta be hard to go back, especially with there being fewer off-world missions and more rebel jaffa out there that need his leadership. He has to be tempted to leave when forced to live in such stifiling conditions now that there are other options -- especially options that include seeing Ishta regularly. Not a good way to keep a valuable asset with the SGC.
Pete's proposal. Sam was so stunned. Who proposes without discussing marriage first? Actually, I hated that whole conversation. It was awkward and self-aware. It obviously addressed fandom with the stalker statement. And why in the world are they comparing Sam's job to stalking as equivalent relationship showstoppers? One is creepy and stupid (what cop interrupts a stake out?). The other is a fact of life for most everybody in the armed services or national security areas (which a cop should understand). As Jack said, plenty of people in the SGC have families and I bet none of them stalked their spouses over it. Bad juxtoposition. Awkward conversation. Had to be a better way to handle this.
Sam saying yes at the end. What the heck happened there? Doubts all episode and suddenly she's all smiles? Where did that come from? Why did she changed her mind? What the heck was she thinking? Did they cut a scene that explained why she changed her mind?

sacme
August 20th, 2004, 06:42 PM
WORST EPISODE EVER!!!

Everything from the old snoopy neighbor with the cat, to the "karate kid" montage, to the "it's not what you think" setup of Teal'c. Worse than Chimera. And they gave us no clue as to why Sam said yes in the end. I'm sad. If Sam and Jack get together in the end, will I care if I have to go through more of this? Ugh.

What's a Stargate?

mcpickles
August 20th, 2004, 06:42 PM
I am de-lurking just to pipe in my two cents, because I feel pretty strongly about this episode. All I could think while watching was that somehow I had tuned into Law & Order: SG-1. Sorry, but if the writers are branching out into domestic disputes and murder mysteries instead of team missions through the Stargate, it's time to throw in the towel.

Token
August 20th, 2004, 06:43 PM
I enjoyed this episode much more than I thought I would. I thought this would be the worst episode of Stargate, but I was wrong.

I enjoyed the Teal'c storyline. It was interesting to see him trying to adjust to the life of "ordinary" humans. I liked that he cared about his fellow neighbors. It was his sense of honor and integrity that was used against him.

I enjoyed the mystery of the "bad" guys. Looks like it could be a very interesting storyline.

The Sam and Pete storyline I was dreading and was well prepared to never watch the episode again, but I can see the overall feel of the storyline, and I am looking forward with GREAT anticipation of the eventual resolution of the Sam and Jack storyline. I was glad to see the "stalker" issue addressed at least in passing. I was glad to see that Sam is unsure of what she wants for her future, and that she is taking the time to consider her options. I liked Sam's conversation with Jack. It was the most ADULT conversation they have had. Even though I didn't like the fact that she said "yes" and don't want Sam with Pete, I am willing to ride the rollercoster that TPTB have put the Sam and Jack Shippers on.

lapislazuliswan
August 20th, 2004, 06:43 PM
:mad:

Nepotisim is the curse of all entertainment, which is why,
in their infinite wisdom, our producers are goofing up Stargate with the "Stalker Pete" plot.

Everybody wants to help their relatives, ok then, which is why Pete needs to die mid-season, leaving Sam mourning her fiancee/spouse, as is proper for members of SG-1. (!)

Then Dave DeLuise can get back to doing Beneful ads, having gotten lots of useful exposure on one of the most popular shows on cable, and our saddened, but determined team can get back through the gate to kick some goa'uld ass.

Sam & Jack Shipper
August 20th, 2004, 06:43 PM
I can live for months on the one scene with Sam & Jack.

GoneShippin'
August 20th, 2004, 06:43 PM
My other major issue, besides feeling like a lot of the Sam/Pete thing was forced as a tweek (I don't think they meant it as an insult) at the fans, was the scene with the ring.

Let's put it this way:

A black ops air force lieutenant colonel is walking in the park, with tons of people around, within feet, and certainly within ear shot, while her boyfriend discusses the most important national security secret ever.

And she lets him continue, with little more than a 'you know i can't talk about that.'

That bothered me a lot more than the romance. It's making Carter look incompetent. She could got to the US Disciplinary Barracks at Leavenworth for that. I'm deadly serious. No matter how many times she's saved the world.


See, this is ONE (and I repeat, just ONE) of the shippers' many issues with P. (can't even type out his whole name). Sam is not the kick-a$$, in command, confident woman we've come to expect after 7 years when she's with P. She's diminished in many ways. Sometimes I think it's intentional, to let her slip off that wonder woman pedestal a bit before getting her (rightfully) with Jack, but then I wonder if TPTB even see the changes (for the worse) in the character.

BAAHHH!

still too worked up to be eloquent.

Di

Hawkeye
August 20th, 2004, 06:44 PM
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In new TVZone AT sez her character would not say certain things in 807 ("fans will hate me...") and RC sez it progresses the story line re Pete -- anyone know what scene is being referenced? Also hoping for good explanation of the cryptic conversation between Sam and O'Neill re "if things were different..." "I wouldn't be here..."

Must say I did not react in mature reasonable fashion to the "yes" -- sceamed obscenities at TV until animals ran from room. As sanity slowly returns, I'm trying to credit Sam for being determined to make full exploration of the Pete relationship.

Usually watch the second airing but cannot stomach it -- except for how hot O'Neill looked in lab scene!

Orce
August 20th, 2004, 06:45 PM
well, just so we're clear on the exact meaning of my comments...

I qualified this a soap-opera-ish because of the STYLE of the ep as a whole NOT because of the emotions and love interests. We've seen plenty of other eps that focused on the same things with a totally different style. Oh the acting is fine, the style wasn't. Of course as you are well aware, this is just MHO so before you call someone 'negative and short-sighted' you should consider that. Last I checked, EVERYONE was allowed to post their opinions here as long as they don't PERSONALLY attack others--which is exactly what you just did to me. I was not attacking ANYTHING but this episode and I do believe forum rules allow me to hate said ep.

I was by no means attacking your comments. I believe that your comments were well thought out and partly true. The last time you checked EVERYONE was allowed to post your opinions? Well, I wasn't attacking you, I was inputting my opinion about your opinion. If that justifies "attacking" you, then I'm sorry. I have had experiences on this forum where let's say a Sam/Jack shipper(no offense people, I qualify as one too) has bashed a thread or comment or episode because it wasn't what they wanted to see. I am by no means comparing people like this to you, but the fact is that it has happened before and it wil happen again.

the adventurer
August 20th, 2004, 06:45 PM
Nah, Stargate started out Episodic, and it was good. Now it's a real living and breathing show, which characters that I WANT to see in more down to earth circumstances of.

getcarter
August 20th, 2004, 06:46 PM
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In new TVZone AT sez her character would not say certain things in 807 ("fans will hate me...") and RC sez it progresses the story line re Pete -- anyone know what scene is being referenced? Also hoping for good explanation of the cryptic conversation between Sam and O'Neill re "if things were different..." "I wouldn't be here..."

Must say I did not react in mature reasonable fashion to the "yes" -- sceamed obscenities at TV until animals ran from room. As sanity slowly returns, I'm trying to credit Sam for being determined to make full exploration of the Pete relationship.

Usually watch the second airing but cannot stomach it -- except for how hot O'Neill looked in lab scene!


Believe me, you were not the only one screaming at the TV!!! :D

marimba26
August 20th, 2004, 06:47 PM
My other major issue, besides feeling like a lot of the Sam/Pete thing was forced as a tweek (I don't think they meant it as an insult) at the fans, was the scene with the ring.

Let's put it this way:

A black ops air force lieutenant colonel is walking in the park, with tons of people around, within feet, and certainly within ear shot, while her boyfriend discusses the most important national security secret ever.

And she lets him continue, with little more than a 'you know i can't talk about that.'

That bothered me a lot more than the romance. It's making Carter look incompetent. She could got to the US Disciplinary Barracks at Leavenworth for that. I'm deadly serious. No matter how many times she's saved the world.

That was REALLY odd I thought. It didn't make sense at all. He had to get seriously injured for her to even tell him and I distinctly remember that she also told him that the information she was giving him was classified. Makes no sense for them to talk about it in a public place.

It does make her look incompetant--not a way I like to think of Sam. And you're right, it would get her a nice bunk at Leavenworth. I remember something in a recent interview stating that as a Colonel, Sam would be a credit to military women. I don't think I know any military women who talk about top secret material in public with their boyfriends. It makes Sam look foolish and I don't like that at all.

JacksCSM
August 20th, 2004, 06:48 PM
Good episode. Got to see things we hadn't before and opened a few threads we'll have to follow a bit. I don't read way ahead except for one episode ahead of what's shown.

Got to see more of RDA as BG Oneill. He's getting more used to his role and doing well with it. A bit of impatience and a sort of "off with his head" mentality that serves his position well. Can't wait to see what's next.

Yes, sad to see Teal'c's 'outside living' jaunt end. Had to give it a try though. It wouldn't have been 'Teal'cish' if he didn't seem a bit over the top to us mere mortals.

Danny got shot - again - poor guy!! Did enjoy seeing him in civilian clothes. Enjoyed his edgeness. DJ had a bit of a different feel to him tonight. Sort of continuing the change in his character since S7.

The Jack/Sam conversation was 'loaded' to say the least. Thought the way she finally said 'yes' actually degraded Sam's usual outstanding professionalism. Sort of cheap actually.

"The Trust" - they'll be back. To bad they killed Simmons. Mayborne anyone?

A good Friday night outing with the SG1. You don't always have to leave Earth for a good time!

marimba26
August 20th, 2004, 06:49 PM
sry you all. i took back what i previously stated about the stalker line. emotions were running a little high and i see the inappropriateness of that comment.

i still don't sit well with pete. sam is too independent to settle with him. her concerns were justified in the episode. she never should have caved in.

You have nothing to apologize for! You are entitled to an honest reaction!

meimei
August 20th, 2004, 06:51 PM
Okay, I hated this ep. Yes, I am a shipper for Jack and Sam. But that is not the only reason. The ep was far too cliche. The Karate Kid scenes, the super hero Teal'c, the silly girl next door with the drunk boyfriend, and don't forget the old lady with the cat!!!

Teal'c storyline could have been a good one. I enjoy watching eps that feature CJ's acting abilities. For the most part, the poor man has stood around looking mean for eight years when he is a wonderful actor when given the chance at a good storyline. I would have loved it if there had been more meat to Teal'c's storyline.

The wardrobe department should be fired. Daniel looked ridiculous in the white t-shirt that made a perfectly hunky MS look fat!! How does that happen? Sam's wardrobe, well, I know AT likes pink, but that jacket looked like something she picked up in "1969" or was left over from 1969! She is a light colonel so I know she makes good money, let her dress in civies that show it!

The scene's were cut too choppy. I was surprised that Peter deLuise directed this one. I usually love his eps but this one didn't do it for me (and it wasn't just the topic).

Okay, now to the Pete and Sam storyline. She didn't seem happy about the ring, although she did seem happy that he was moving closer. I realize that in the time line of the show, it's probably been at least eight months or more that they have been seeing each other, but other than a couple of off hand mentions of him, there hasn't been anything to indicate that the relationship was to the point of a marriage proposal. Although I was spoiled on this ep, it still didn't seem right that it was moving this fast.

As far as the stalker line, I don't know whether to be insulted or flattered. I believe that was started in the GW forum so TPTB do pay some attention, but it almost seemed like a slam at the shippers.

Sam's acceptance was totally off. She says she needs more time in one scene and two scenes later she says yes. The doubts she showed with Jack and the doubts she showed in the car just magically vanished with the raid on the warehouse. Why? It didn't make sense. There needed to be something that would indicate why she made her decision.

And as far as the kissing in the warehouse, well, talk about totally unprofessional behavior. I just don't see the whole setting as working. I am not sure who wrote this ep, but it was not up to SG1 standards that I have seen in the past. Especially not with the quality eps that we've seen so far in season eight.

Yes, as a shipper, I was disappointed in this ep for the obvious reasons, but as a SG1 fan, which I have been longer than I have been a shipper, this one was an ep to forget.

Skydiver
August 20th, 2004, 06:51 PM
Mod hat on here

This is an episode that people are feeling strongly about. Their feelings are not right or wrong for anyone but them.

Debating the show is fine, debating whether a person is right or wrong, is not.

Let's keep it clean please.

Back to your regular post episode postage

Orce
August 20th, 2004, 06:55 PM
That was REALLY odd I thought. It didn't make sense at all. He had to get seriously injured for her to even tell him and I distinctly remember that she also told him that the information she was giving him was classified. Makes no sense for them to talk about it in a public place.

It does make her look incompetant--not a way I like to think of Sam. And you're right, it would get her a nice bunk at Leavenworth. I remember something in a recent interview stating that as a Colonel, Sam would be a credit to military women. I don't think I know any military women who talk about top secret material in public with their boyfriends. It makes Sam look foolish and I don't like that at all.

We've seen this in other episodes,where people are talking about classified information, so that wasn't that big of a deal. I saw Sam look around when Pete started talking about it. She would probably be aware if someone were listening in. And it's not like the people in this country have been so rude to listen in on someone's conversations. There were no people that just stood near the bench that they were sitting on.

Sam & Jack Shipper
August 20th, 2004, 06:55 PM
I'm not sure that it was an Asgard transporter... It sounded somewhat like a ring transporter but more like the Atlantis elevator thing.
I thought it was a ring transporter too.

sacme
August 20th, 2004, 06:57 PM
:mad:

Nepotisim is the curse of all entertainment, which is why,
in their infinite wisdom, our producers are goofing up Stargate with the "Stalker Pete" plot.

Everybody wants to help their relatives, ok then, which is why Pete needs to die mid-season, leaving Sam mourning her fiancee/spouse, as is proper for members of SG-1. (!)

Then Dave DeLuise can get back to doing Beneful ads, having gotten lots of useful exposure on one of the most popular shows on cable, and our saddened, but determined team can get back through the gate to kick some goa'uld ass.
LOL. I just adore that that was your first post.

Ruralstar
August 20th, 2004, 06:57 PM
I was hoping for a little more when Jack and Sam were talking about Pete's proposal. That whole scene kinda left me hanging.

Hangin? As in hung out to freakin dry.

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Okay first of all. Yes another earth based story. Aside from a small portion of New Order and the ep Icon all the eps have been on earth this year. A very bad pattern IMHO to get into. I would assume that at least one of the reasons is RDA's schedule, but I don't know that for sure. Anyway... Up til this point I've enjoyed all the eps, some more than others, but I've enjoyed them all.

Then we get this.

Teal'c getting an apartment was mentioned a few eps back. That's great, yay Teal'c, but did we need an entire ep focusing on his trials and tribulations? There was very little having to do with the SGC and the Stargate at all. We get the cloak and dagger bad guys and Daniel handing over the info. Way to go Danny boy. If he had said no what would they have done, shot Krista? Uh why bother. If Daniel had nothing to loose then he still wouldn't have told them. No real drama there guys.

Teal'c was cool and reminded me a bit of Crocodile Dundee in NYC with the throwing of the fruit or whatever, but his section dragged a bit. Was anyone surprised when the girl kissed him? Can we say desperation and rebound?

And now to the real reason I'm in here... and for the antishippers in the thread, tough cookies. You all can have your say and I'm sure you will. I have not been bemoaning this ep for weeks as I don't read spoilers. I haven't debated with anyone and I'm only just now crawling back from the concussion given to the SJers by tonight's turn of events.

What the heck is wrong with Sam?

Okay first off, Gee Pete way to admit you were 'stalking' her in Chimera. Sincere thanks to PdL for that little bit of dialogue. And oh gee we're moving to Colorado how nice.

So he proposes, fine and dandy. So Sam is all contemplative and she's sitting in her lab and Jack walks in. My God she showed him the ring. My dear God. Can we say ripped out heart? Can we say devastated?

"What about you, if things had been different?"

"I wouldn't be here."

Well of course not, he would still be married. Or gee Sam if you had come to your freakin senses instead of saying "Oh yes, Pete, it's fine that you had sex with me and left me like a rag in the bed, and then proceeded to stalk me. Yes that's fine let me tell you all about my classified life" FCOL. Yeah this is plausible, every red blooded woman would knuckle under in that fashion.

If she had come to her senses after the events of Lost City Jack might have retired. His 'not being here' can be taken alot of ways. As in "I would be keeping the home fires burning for you, Sam" So what else can he say after being slapped in the face? Kudos to PdL for giving us a closeup of Jack's face while he tried to swallow the news.

What is she, desperate? I mean a guy shows her some attention, does she have to hurry up and reveal all in case he disappears? Pretty obvious Petey boy is not going anywhere.

And then after all the hemming and hawing she says yes. Oh yeah, that's a union that's rock solid. She obviously has doubts, again is she freakin desperate?

How do I feel...

Well I think this is a crappy way to treat a segment of the fandom. I find the twists and turns of the Pete/Sam relationship to be very unhealthy. Implausible is not the right word, much as I like it. Real relationships do this kind of thing all the time. How many people do we all know that exist in abusive situations? And yes I do think Pete is emotionally abusive. He manipulated her feelings in the past and it's entirely possible he could and would do it in the future. He backed off tonight and he got his way. The shippers got the shaft and that's the best way to put it.

I've watched this show from the start, I was not a true shipper until two years ago. I decided I liked what I saw and I wanted to see more. I didn'tneed it front and center but Chimera and now Affinity have slapped relationships on the front burner in no uncertain terms. As a Shipper I've never asked for that, I've only asked for honesty. And now I'm honestly saying this was complete BS and I'm disgusted.

I'll keep watching as I'm a glutton for punishment and an unabashed Richard Dean Anderson fan. But the latter is the only thing keeping me afloat right now.

Treating the fans this way was utter garbage. Gee thanks ever so much.

Faith
August 20th, 2004, 07:00 PM
Well...............

Did I like it hmmmm...I not sure.

I liked seeing Tealc having his own apartment, I like the fact Tealc must have got sum.
The whole Sam Pete thing made me sick, Just him kissing her is GROSS and she said YES. YUCK.
I am curious as to what the symbols opened are were for. I want to know how the NID got an asqard transporter.
I liked the Daniel going on his own to save Tealc.
I liked the kid with the skateboard, I thought he was cool and a good actor.
It made me sad Tealc giving his apartment up.

1 out of 10 I give it a 5

Pelagia
August 20th, 2004, 07:00 PM
I was veryveryvery disappointed in this episode. It was full of cliches and plot holes and too much romance. Whatever happened to STARGATE??? I'm getting veryveryvery tired of this strange show pretending to be Stargate. Every week I watch hoping to see Daniel translating something or checking out a ruin, Carter bubbling on about something that can change the face of physics, Teal'c being... Teal'c and Jack giving orders as they (3 of them anyway) go through the Stargate and EXPLORE.

pcheri
August 20th, 2004, 07:02 PM
:eek: :( as I have stated before...I HATED THIS ONE

Ship Nana
August 20th, 2004, 07:02 PM
I mostly lurk here but...

To be honest, that episode was just luke warm for me.

I'm a S/J shipper but I actually kinda like Pete. (Yes, it is true -- not all of us hate Pete :) ) To think that Sam would take that moment to say Yes just didn't ring true to me. And to hug/kiss in the middle of the warehouse at the end of an op where she was in charge, is that really the right moment?

I didn't read any spoilers but you could just feel it coming that the attractive next door neighbor with the drunk boyfriend would shack up with the new single wholesome guy who moved in. And for a little variety, a woman struggling to make up her mind over getting married (e.g. am I bowing to the pressures of society to be a couple, do I really want to do this, am I being fair to him). Overall, the show felt a little to 'Melrose Place' for me.

Anyway, my 2 cents -- what's yours?

I thought that hug and kiss scene was very unprofessional on both of their parts. And then there was the sorta butt rub. I am getting nauseated as I type. Where's that barf bag!

Mio
August 20th, 2004, 07:03 PM
I'm not sure that it was an Asgard transporter... It sounded somewhat like a ring transporter but more like the Atlantis elevator thing.
It sounded like the asgard transporter.

Orce
August 20th, 2004, 07:05 PM
I thought that hug and kiss scene was very unprofessional on both of their parts. And then there was the sorta butt rub. I am getting nauseated as I type. Where's that barf bag!

No offense here, but if I were Sam's fiancee, I would let my hands roam also!

marimba26
August 20th, 2004, 07:07 PM
We've seen this in other episodes,where people are talking about classified information, so that wasn't that big of a deal. I saw Sam look around when Pete started talking about it. She would probably be aware if someone were listening in. And it's not like the people in this country have been so rude to listen in on someone's conversations. There were no people that just stood near the bench that they were sitting on.

As a military spouse of several years and the wife of a high ranking officer, it is in my personal experience to say that officers do not discuss classified information with their spouses/significant others and they certainly don't discuss it in public whether or not any one is listening. It is a UCMJ-punishable offense (UCMJ stands for Uniform Code of Military Justice). Even if Pete *had* the proper clearance he would also be required to have a *need to know* which he didn't in this case. This is covered under Article 134 (Failure to obey an order or regulation) and in some cases it is covered under the articles addressing treason--depending on the severity of the offense and the sensitivity of the information. Hammond said that the Stargate program is "SCI Top Secret" in "Children of the Gods" which means in RL terms that the information is 'Top Secret, Special Compartmentalized Information' which would requires a *need to know*. So yes, Sam could end up in Leavenworth for such a discussion.

Kiarasayre
August 20th, 2004, 07:07 PM
I realize I'm new and all (read: please don't kill me), but I kind of liked it. I'll have to admit, I'm new to the fandom, and I definately don't think this was the best episode ever, but I did like a lot of the interactions, and I did think a lot of it was in character...save quite a bit of Sam's parts, but I definately did like Daniel and Teal'c's discussion, not to mention the three members of SG-1 sitting around discussing their love lives. I mean, well, they've known each other for HOW long? It was bound to happen, and it was rather amusing. ^_^

the adventurer
August 20th, 2004, 07:09 PM
I'll never understand why people don't like Cliches. I thought the whole thing worked great. Stargate's CSI type episode really, take a very traditional abuse/murder consept and add the Stargate Cast. = Near Gold.

Ship Nana
August 20th, 2004, 07:10 PM
No offense here, but if I were Sam's fiancee, I would let my hands roam also!

No offense taken. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

And maybe so with the roaming hands, but not on duty and not in a warehouse full of soilders after an assault.

Could it have been any more unprofessional? She's a Colonel in the AF for gosh sakes.

And the butt rub as far as I'm concerned was nothing but a rub in the S/J Shippers face.

Vyse
August 20th, 2004, 07:10 PM
I thought it was a great episode, though I didn't like how it ended. It sucks that Teal'c is once again living on base, and I was mad about Sam marrying Pete, hopefully they will still break up :) !

Mio
August 20th, 2004, 07:12 PM
I thought it was a great episode, though I didn't like how it ended. It sucks that Teal'c is once again living on base, and I was mad about Sam marrying Pete, hopefully they will still break up :) !
Her black widow curse will reassurt itself. Hopefully.

Ship Nana
August 20th, 2004, 07:13 PM
As a military spouse of several years and the wife of a high ranking officer, it is in my personal experience to say that officers do not discuss classified information with their spouses/significant others and they certainly don't discuss it in public whether or not any one is listening. It is a UCMJ-punishable offense (UCMJ stands for Uniform Code of Military Justice). Even if Pete *had* the proper clearance he would also be required to have a *need to know* which he didn't in this case. This is covered under Article 134 (Failure to obey an order or regulation) and in some cases it is covered under the articles addressing treason--depending on the severity of the offense and the sensitivity of the information. Hammond said that the Stargate program is "SCI Top Secret" in "Children of the Gods" which means in RL terms that the information is 'Top Secret, Special Compartmentalized Information' which would requires a *need to know*. So yes, Sam could end up in Leavenworth for such a discussion.

I know you know your stuff Marimba and for gosh sakes they didn't even tell Jacob anything about the SGC when he was dying. Not one little hint! Like he said, who was he gonna tell, G-d?

Orce
August 20th, 2004, 07:13 PM
No offense taken. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

And maybe so with the roaming hands, but not on duty and not in a warehouse full of soilders after an assault.

Could it have been any more unprofessional? She's a Colonel in the AF for gosh sakes.

And the butt rub as far as I'm concerned was nothing but a rub in the S/J Shippers face.

Perhaps they wanted it to seem realistic. I just can't imagine Sam saying yes, then they wait to get home to kiss so it doesn't seem unprofessional.

Vyse
August 20th, 2004, 07:14 PM
Her black widow curse will reassurt itself. Hopefully.

We can only hope. :D

Bobthespirit
August 20th, 2004, 07:15 PM
This episode was generally entertaining, but a bit uneven. They shifted gears awfully quickly halfway through the episode. Suddenly Christa killed her boyfriend, suddenly the rogue NID is involved. They tried to have two different kinds of episodes at once, and it slightly tarred the episode for me.

Ship Nana
August 20th, 2004, 07:17 PM
Perhaps they wanted it to seem realistic. I just can't imagine Sam saying yes, then they wait to get home to kiss so it doesn't seem unprofessional.


However, TPTB keep throwing the REGS in our faces as an excuse to not get Sam and Jack together but they can allow a butt rub while on duty!!! Sam and Jack can barely touch each other on duty and then only during life and death situations and then only on occasion. I think TPTB went way to far. Ok I can see maybe the kiss but the butt rub went way to far for my taste given all previous rules and REGULATIONS!!!

Bobthespirit
August 20th, 2004, 07:19 PM
How the hell did they get their hands on Asgard transporters?!

Weren't they rings?



Man...as much as Jack/Sam would be cool....come on. It'd be totally implausible unless one of them retires, and it'd be totally cliche to obligatorily hook up the two main characters. :rolleyes:

Vyse
August 20th, 2004, 07:20 PM
Just wondering, what is with so many women that they love jerks like Krista. "It's been hard on him" please.

Orce
August 20th, 2004, 07:20 PM
However, TPTB keep throwing the REGS in our faces as an excuse to not get Sam and Jack together but they can allow a butt rub while on duty!!! Sam and Jack can barely touch each other on duty and then only during life and death situations and then only on occasion. I think TPTB went way to far. Ok I can see maybe the kiss but the butt rub went way to far for my taste given all previous rules and REGULATIONS!!!

My personal belief about the Sam/Jack relationship is that there will be that one defining episode that will either say that they will be together in the end or they don't have a chance. Judging by how this genre goes and by relationships in all other types of shows, if they were to get together, it would probably be a season finale, perhaps of Stargate's final season.

meimei
August 20th, 2004, 07:21 PM
Perhaps they wanted it to seem realistic. I just can't imagine Sam saying yes, then they wait to get home to kiss so it doesn't seem unprofessional.
I found the timing of the "yes" was unprofessional. It should have waited until they were off duty. Then she could have done whatever she wanted.

Vyse
August 20th, 2004, 07:22 PM
Weren't they rings?





The sound effect was that of Asgard transporters, not rings. They both have very distinct sounds.

Orce
August 20th, 2004, 07:22 PM
I found the timing of the "yes" was unprofessional. It should have waited until they were off duty. Then she could have done whatever she wanted.

Love waits for no one.

EYU86
August 20th, 2004, 07:22 PM
I'm not sure that it was an Asgard transporter... It sounded somewhat like a ring transporter but more like the Atlantis elevator thing.
Definitely the same sound effects as the Asgard transporters.


What happened to the hole in Teal'c's stomach?
I know he's on tretonin, but... where'd the hole go.

Livi2Jack
August 20th, 2004, 07:23 PM
I had an old bag of a neighbor just like that. She decided my husband and I were not married and stirred up the other old bats in the building. We finally found out about it but the hassling never stopped. Eventually my husband found a job in another state and we moved.

raggedy11
August 20th, 2004, 07:24 PM
I was surprised that I enjoyed this I did! I am a shipper and I actually found more here to support the S/J ship.
But I liked that Teal'c's personality is being developed even more fully.
I the sense of the team caring for one another.
Okay I didn't like Sam's pink jacket in the park. YUK.
Someone else said something about not liking the kid praising Teal'c so much, minor problem for me.
Am looking forward to finding out just what was the message that Daniel translated and it's significance.

And in spite of being a shipper I actually liked Pete. Fellow shippers, don't attack me please. I saw him more as a brother-figure for Sam then a romantic interest.

The show was a lot more entertaining to me than last week's.

Vyse
August 20th, 2004, 07:26 PM
Definitely the same sound effects as the Asgard transporters.


What happened to the hole in Teal'c's stomach?
I know he's on tretonin, but... where'd the hole go.

Could have put some kind of fake skin over it.

crazylinguist
August 20th, 2004, 07:26 PM
Actually I rather enjoyed this episode. I loved to see how Teal'c got along outside the SGC. I always wondered about that. His comment about watching home decorating shows was priceless.

I really don't understand why some of you are angry at the 'stalker' thing. It shows interaction with their fan base, and I found it quite humorous actually. I don't think it was meant to be insulting in the slightest.

I don't know exactly what I feel about the whole Pete/Sam thing. I haven't really thougth about it that much yet. All I could think about when the episode ended was "Sam/Jack shippers are going to have a field day with this one..." :)

Faith
August 20th, 2004, 07:27 PM
I also wanted to say I loved how Tealc's apartment was decorated. 2 thumbs up for that one. Daniel in civi's was awsome "Drools"

I loved the screen of the swat team on the black trucks on thier way to rescue Daniel.

Daniels mythology or saysing about relationships was awsome. I mean the way he talked about relationships.

I loved how jaffa couples handles relationships, "A weapon is required" now that was funny.

I am rewatching the ep and I think I am likeing it more than the first go around.

Beautiful sceenary! That grass was so grteen and so pretty.

The sceen with the candles and the silloitte of Tealc teaching the girl was so cool. Very pretty.

Chistopher is such a great actor. I like his saying "Has something transpired"?

I loved the nosey neighbor. The kitty cat was adorable she was holding.

Oh an RDA in that semi tight shirt when he asks for the report from Sam. OMGosh how sexy.

As I am 20 minutes into my 2ed veiwing I definatly like it much better but I still don't like the fact that she said yes and also the kiss and butt rub was just gross.

Well I could keep on typing as I am rewatching but my post would be huge. LOL

determined1
August 20th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Fans who have watched for years are entitled to a positive resolution of the Jack-Sam relationship--the Pete option is not it.

keshou
August 20th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Sometimes different is good! In this case, not so much I'm afraid.

I enjoyed the look at Teal'c trying to be a normal citizen of the planet Earth but it just came off as a little cliched. Poor Teal'c has to go back to the SGC, I guess, which makes me sad. He did look great tonight and I rather liked some of his scenes in the real world. He's picked up a lot of tips watching Trading Spaces! :)

Sam and Pete. *Sigh* You know I was originally in favor of a minor story arc that might explore the difficulties of having a personal life outside the SGC. Knew it wouldn't go anywhere but thought it might give Sam some interesting development. But jeez, this is really not the way to do it. Sam is coming off like a sap, frankly. She's not exactly looking like someone who can't wait to get married and if she's not ready she should have just said no. Blech... I'm surprised they didn't have Pete speak straight into the camera when he said the bit about stalking.

The bit with the NID, excuse me the "Trust", was kind of intriguing. A little one-dimensional in the "bad guy" department but I'm kind of interested to see where they turn up next.

auralan
August 20th, 2004, 07:30 PM
Actually, I want to add one more thing that bothered me about the episode. It was a nagging feeling when I first watched, but it's really lingering as I think about the episode.

The whole bit where Sam talked about how glad she was that Pete didn't run away when he found out the truth about her career felt desperate. It has to take a pretty low self-image to think you have so little to offer a relationship that your career could scare somebody away that easily when plenty of other people at your workplace in your situation manage personal lives and families successfully. I hate seeing Sam look that desperate to make it work and hang onto something because they guy didn't die or run off. That's just sad and the wrong reason to stay in a relationship.

I feel sorry for her. I never really felt sorry for Sam before except in a wince on her behalf when she's injured sort of way. It's sad to see her like that. I want more for her than settling for the guy who didn't flee in terror.

Major Fischer
August 20th, 2004, 07:30 PM
As I said, I am NOT a shipper. This is not about ship to me. This is about ... what I think is TPTB not being true to the character. They started trying to force things.

They wanted to break the "curse" so they set out to make a character that wouldn't die. In a show that wont guarrentee us that their most beloved characters wont die, that kind of immunity makes the character unnatural.

They were surprised by the fan reaction, and were dismissive of it. I think that they might have married themselves (pardon any implications) to the idea of the character to spite a fan base. To spite a fan base. Anyone else wondering why the heck they'd think that was a good idea?

To address the fan base, to tweek, dig, insult, tease, I don't know, they put a conversation in that seemed forced. It violated logic, and even made the character uncomfortable (Carter did not seem comfortable with the scene).

This is not about "shippers" or anti-"shippers". This is not about liking or disliking Pete (I actually don't have THAT much trouble with the fundamental character). This is about the writers, and TPTB forcing something.

I just wish they wouldn't.

Bobthespirit
August 20th, 2004, 07:30 PM
The sound effect was that of Asgard transporters, not rings. They both have very distinct sounds.

Asgard transporters don't throw light across the room, and you saw a burst of light shine on unconscious Daniel and Krista.




You know, I didn't know how much people were against the Sam/Pete thing here. But, I'd like to speak up on behalf of 'Concerned Citizens Against Lame Pandering'.

Don't listen to them, producers! Do what's best for the storyline, not the safe predictable thing that all the fans beg for! Once you start pandering, you're on a slippery slope..

I agree about the 'too many episodes on earth' thing. It's like, without Jack's strong military presence they don't think they could write a good action episode. Either that or they're trying to save on set design...

Hey, maybe with all they've saved on set design this year, they won't have to do another clip show! :D

Vyse
August 20th, 2004, 07:31 PM
One thing that bothered me was how Daniel translated the symbols, i find it hard to believe he did it so quickly without any notes.

Also if Teal'c was smart he would've brought Krista to the SGC, she wouldn't have to see the gate or anything, just onto the surface part of the base would have been sufficient.

NightGloom
August 20th, 2004, 07:31 PM
Blah... didn't really like this episode. It didn't get interesting until the whole NID thing came up. I liked that Teal'c moved off base and everything, it just took way too long to get to the whole "murder" thing. This would have been a good episode to do a CSI or Law and Order crossover-imagine how that would have gone! The whole pizza place thing was slightly improbable.

Other things wrong with this episode:

Number of things blown up: NONE! Well, unless you count the door thingy
Things shot: A coffee cup! And Daniel and Christa shot once with zat
Sam/Pete: Yeah, just don't care it's boring and slows everything down. Although there was an interesting discussion with Teal'c about Jaffa relationships (A weapon is sometimes needed...)
Times Gate activated: 0
Number of planets on: 1-Earth, boring!
Guest stars: Krista- Eh, OK... highly predictable though "It's over now, for good" Even without seeing the preview, it's kinda obvious what happened. Although Teal'c the fern killer might not have known. Kid with skateboard- Kinda annoying. NID dudes- basic bad guys seen 'em before in every movie ever made


Another bad thing is I didn't get to see any shippers faces for the whole Sam/Pete thing and laugh at them... dangnabit.

OK, so some of that stuff is a reach, but I just wanted to get the point across that I did not like this episode and it's not because I'm a shipper.

Ship Nana
August 20th, 2004, 07:32 PM
My personal belief about the Sam/Jack relationship is that there will be that one defining episode that will either say that they will be together in the end or they don't have a chance. Judging by how this genre goes and by relationships in all other types of shows, if they were to get together, it would probably be a season finale, perhaps of Stargate's final season.


I don't disagree with you but it was TPTB that made their relationship canon and since they did I would like to see them get together before the last episode. And since TPTB have upted the anty as it were, with Pete, I would like to see something significant happen between them other than just a fishing invitation. In the past I would have been happy with just that but NOT anymore.

Vyse
August 20th, 2004, 07:33 PM
[QUOTE=Bobthespirit]Asgard transporters don't throw light across the room, and you saw a burst of light shine on unconscious Daniel and Krista.

You are incorrect, the Asgard transporters do have a light that travels some distance, also once again the sound effects were Asgard transporters, not rings.

EYU86
August 20th, 2004, 07:33 PM
Asgard transporters don't throw light across the room, and you saw a burst of light shine on unconscious Daniel and Krista.
Yeah they do.
Remember the episode "Disclosure" when Thor appears before the Ambassadors.
Blinding light.

Vyse
August 20th, 2004, 07:34 PM
Yeah they do.
Remember the episode "Disclosure" when Thor appears before the Ambassadors.
Blinding light.

Exactly.

crazylinguist
August 20th, 2004, 07:34 PM
One thing that bothered me was how Daniel translated the symbols, i find it hard to believe he did it so quickly without any notes.



Maybe he translated it back in his office when he first recieved it and memorized it?

Vyse
August 20th, 2004, 07:35 PM
Maybe he translated it back in his office when he first recieved it and memorized it?

That makes sense, thanks. He wanted to know the context, so he was hoping to discover what it was.

Ship Nana
August 20th, 2004, 07:36 PM
Actually, I want to add one more thing that bothered me about the episode. It was a nagging feeling when I first watched, but it's really lingering as I think about the episode.

The whole bit where Sam talked about how glad she was that Pete didn't run away when he found out the truth about her career felt desperate. It has to take a pretty low self-image to think you have so little to offer a relationship that your career could scare somebody away that easily when plenty of other people at your workplace in your situation manage personal lives and families successfully. I hate seeing Sam look that desperate to make it work and hang onto something because they guy didn't die or run off. That's just sad and the wrong reason to stay in a relationship.

I feel sorry for her. I never really felt sorry for Sam before except in a wince on her behalf when she's injured sort of way. It's sad to see her like that. I want more for her than settling for the guy who didn't flee in terror.

Or settling for second best!

auralan
August 20th, 2004, 07:37 PM
A black ops air force lieutenant colonel is walking in the park, with tons of people around, within feet, and certainly within ear shot, while her boyfriend discusses the most important national security secret ever.

And she lets him continue, with little more than a 'you know i can't talk about that.'

That bothered me a lot more than the romance. It's making Carter look incompetent. She could got to the US Disciplinary Barracks at Leavenworth for that. I'm deadly serious. No matter how many times she's saved the world.

This is a good point. She never should have let him keep talking. There were lots of people around and she could get in huge trouble for it. You'd think they could have put the scene somewhere much more private if they wanted to discuss those sorts of things. It wouldn't have been hard to handle the subject without bringing her adherence to security regulations into question.

Karibou
August 20th, 2004, 07:41 PM
First of all -- okay, I'm admittedly a shipper, but I've tried being open to this whole Pete thing. That being said, this episode was reeeeeeally cliche. Especially the end. Come on! (Let me paraphrase: "I have no idea if I'm ready for marriage, if my career will allow it, and I also have deep feelings for someone else. But, since you did such a nice job tracking down the bad guys' rental car, yes, I'll marry you.")

And how lame, making poor Teal'c move back into his "cell" at the SGC! I totally loved his apartment!!

auralan
August 20th, 2004, 07:41 PM
Every week I watch hoping to see Daniel translating something or checking out a ruin, Carter bubbling on about something that can change the face of physics, Teal'c being... Teal'c and Jack giving orders as they (3 of them anyway) go through the Stargate and EXPLORE.

Yes! Can I have that show? Pretty please? With sugar and cherries on top? I'll even throw in some chocolate.

Ship Nana
August 20th, 2004, 07:42 PM
First of all -- okay, I'm admittedly a shipper, but I've tried being open to this whole Pete thing. That being said, this episode was reeeeeeally cliche. Especially the end. Come on! (Let me paraphrase: "I have no idea if I'm ready for marriage, if my career will allow it, and I also have deep feelings for someone else. But, since you did such a nice job tracking down the bad guys' rental car, yes, I'll marry you.")

And how lame, making poor Teal'c move back into his "cell" at the SGC! I totally loved his apartment!!

Very good summary!

Livi2Jack
August 20th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Okay, I hated this ep. Yes, I am a shipper for Jack and Sam. But that is not the only reason. The ep was far too cliche. The Karate Kid scenes, the super hero Teal'c, the silly girl next door with the drunk boyfriend, and don't forget the old lady with the cat!!!

Teal'c storyline could have been a good one. I enjoy watching eps that feature CJ's acting abilities. For the most part, the poor man has stood around looking mean for eight years when he is a wonderful actor when given the chance at a good storyline. I would have loved it if there had been more meat to Teal'c's storyline.

The wardrobe department should be fired. Daniel looked ridiculous in the white t-shirt that made a perfectly hunky MS look fat!! How does that happen? Sam's wardrobe, well, I know AT likes pink, but that jacket looked like something she picked up in "1969" or was left over from 1969! She is a light colonel so I know she makes good money, let her dress in civies that show it!

The scene's were cut too choppy. I was surprised that Peter deLuise directed this one. I usually love his eps but this one didn't do it for me (and it wasn't just the topic).

Okay, now to the Pete and Sam storyline. She didn't seem happy about the ring, although she did seem happy that he was moving closer. I realize that in the time line of the show, it's probably been at least eight months or more that they have been seeing each other, but other than a couple of off hand mentions of him, there hasn't been anything to indicate that the relationship was to the point of a marriage proposal. Although I was spoiled on this ep, it still didn't seem right that it was moving this fast.

As far as the stalker line, I don't know whether to be insulted or flattered. I believe that was started in the GW forum so TPTB do pay some attention, but it almost seemed like a slam at the shippers.

Sam's acceptance was totally off. She says she needs more time in one scene and two scenes later she says yes. The doubts she showed with Jack and the doubts she showed in the car just magically vanished with the raid on the warehouse. Why? It didn't make sense. There needed to be something that would indicate why she made her decision.

And as far as the kissing in the warehouse, well, talk about totally unprofessional behavior. I just don't see the whole setting as working. I am not sure who wrote this ep, but it was not up to SG1 standards that I have seen in the past. Especially not with the quality eps that we've seen so far in season eight.

Yes, as a shipper, I was disappointed in this ep for the obvious reasons, but as a SG1 fan, which I have been longer than I have been a shipper, this one was an ep to forget.
I had problems with this ep, but I also liked alot of it.

Liked:
1. Teal'c s apt. Cool decorating. He can do my house.
2. BG O'Neill...he is so hot, in control, & understands his power.
3. O'Neill= Mature Alpha Male all the way.
4. Nod to the Pete as Stalker issue.
5. S/J lab scene.

Hated:
1. Pete is a stalker and an emotionally abusive sob. A leopard doesn't change its spots.
2. Pete is cheap. Did you see that ring? Sheesh.
3. Pete is incompetent. The stakeout site could not possibly have seen BOTH apartments since Teal'c and Krista lived ACROSS the hall from each other and therefore on opposite sides of the building. The stakeout was only on one side. Had to have been Krista's side.
4. Sam selling out and settling for less.
5. Two women Krista and Sam with abusive boyfriends and not being able to say NO.
6. Teal'c packing up in his car having boxes hanging out the back then talks to the kid and turns around but the boxes are all perfectly stuffed so the hatch would close...poor continuity.

7. There is no way Sam could have been discussing business with Pete in the open. He does not need to know any more than he saw at the curb in Chimera. Even if he has clearance, the discussion about TS-SCI is accurate as are the penalties. The disclosure to Pete point is weak and there is nothing TPTB can say to make it any less unrealistic. Frankly, it is disrespectful to all the people who scrupulously observe their oath to keep things secret.

Mio
August 20th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Exactly.
But the question is: How the hell did they get their hands on an Asgard Transporter?

Mio
August 20th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Teal'c and Krista lived ACROSS the hall from each other and therefore on opposite sides of the building.
Not to defend pete. I hate him too....but I thought they were on the same side.

getcarter
August 20th, 2004, 07:47 PM
Another bad thing is I didn't get to see any shippers faces for the whole Sam/Pete thing and laugh at them... dangnabit.



So are you a shipper or not, cause that comment was just plain rude!

auralan
August 20th, 2004, 07:47 PM
I found the timing of the "yes" was unprofessional. It should have waited until they were off duty. Then she could have done whatever she wanted.

BINGO! Wait to accept the proposal until you get home. Then you can celebrate in any old way you want without it being questionable behavior. Women in the military have to work so hard to be taken seriously. Why would she even chance her colleagues seeing her snogging with her boyfriend while they're still at the warehouse? That's just not the professional image she should want to be projecting to her colleagues. It's not like he asked there and she was so overjoyed she couldn't help but answer right away. I just don't get it. Bizarre choice.

EYU86
August 20th, 2004, 07:49 PM
But the question is: How the hell did they get their hands on an Asgard Transporter?
We just have to wait to find out.
We do know Anubis, well not Anubis himself, but, Osiris used the Asgard transporters before...
so...
We just have to wait to find out.

auralan
August 20th, 2004, 07:50 PM
One thing that bothered me was how Daniel translated the symbols, i find it hard to believe he did it so quickly without any notes

I figured he'd already done most of the work when he got the images at the SGC.

crazylinguist
August 20th, 2004, 07:51 PM
But the question is: How the hell did they get their hands on an Asgard Transporter?

Didn't all the people move closer together before they transported? Would they need to do that for an Asgard Transporter? I just assumed rings...

Karibou
August 20th, 2004, 07:57 PM
BINGO! Wait to accept the proposal until you get home. Then you can celebrate in any old way you want without it being questionable behavior. Women in the military have to work so hard to be taken seriously. Why would she even chance her colleagues seeing her snogging with her boyfriend while they're still at the warehouse? That's just not the professional image she should want to be projecting to her colleagues. It's not like he asked there and she was so overjoyed she couldn't help but answer right away. I just don't get it. Bizarre choice.

ITA. Sam is way too professional for that. Also agree that she'd never discuss SG1 business in public. And, why is it that it took PETE to track down the rental car? Doesn't the SGC, being a highly-funded, super-classified agency have its OWN people for that??

BTW, Teal'c's comment about home-decorating shows was a hoot! Also have to give thumbs up for displaying Christopher Judge's muscles so nicely. Yummy! LOL!

NightGloom
August 20th, 2004, 07:59 PM
So are you a shipper or not, cause that comment was just plain rude!

Sorry, that wasn't about you shippers- that was more directed at my mother and my friend who are shippers and there's a little rivalry between us.

getcarter
August 20th, 2004, 08:00 PM
Sorry, that wasn't about you shippers- that was more directed at my mother and my friend who are shippers and there's a little rivalry between us.


Ok, but it felt like a slam to us. Should have been a little more specific. :)

EYU86
August 20th, 2004, 08:00 PM
Didn't all the people move closer together before they transported? Would they need to do that for an Asgard Transporter? I just assumed rings...
For the last time!
Did you hear the sound effects?
Asgard transporters!

snappy
August 20th, 2004, 08:02 PM
BINGO! Wait to accept the proposal until you get home. Then you can celebrate in any old way you want without it being questionable behavior. Women in the military have to work so hard to be taken seriously. Why would she even chance her colleagues seeing her snogging with her boyfriend while they're still at the warehouse? That's just not the professional image she should want to be projecting to her colleagues. It's not like he asked there and she was so overjoyed she couldn't help but answer right away. I just don't get it. Bizarre choice.

Amen Sister (or Brother ;) ) I couldn't agree with you more.

crazylinguist
August 20th, 2004, 08:03 PM
For the last time!
Did you hear the sound effects?
Asgard transporters!

Don't get defensive, i was just asking if it was necessary for them to move close together when using an Asgard transporter.

ses110
August 20th, 2004, 08:03 PM
sacme Affinity is the reason why Stargate must end at Season 8 IMO.Stargate should never be mistaken for an episode of Melrose Place. I find it sad we cannot even get a hug from Sam and Jack in New Order but Sam and Pete can make out while Sam is on Duty.I do not want to hear TPTB use Regs anymore as an excuse when the rules get thrown out the window for Sam and Pete.

MAJKawalsky
August 20th, 2004, 08:04 PM
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Okay, my least favorite in Season Eight, unless there is a Unas ep lurking in the second half. Only thing that I liked about it was the shadow organization (Daniel called it the Trust). Used an Asgard teleporter. Hmmmmm.

I am a member of the "Pete as Chimera" camp. Pete has never interacted with any of the other regular characters. He has only had direct interaction with one other person on screen, his buddy from the FBI who did the background check on Sam. In Chimera, Sam did say "Pete been hit" to Jack but Jack never acknowledged Pete's presence.

In New Order, Pete misses Sam's promotion ceremony. He supposedly had been briefed on the SGC and would have been invited. I would certainly be miffed if my girlfriend missed my promotion ceremony.

Then in this ep, Pete again has no meanful interaction with ANYONE else. Most of the time he is alone with Sam. Even during the take down of the warehouse when the special ops soldier informs Sam that the warehouse is empty and Pete asks "How could that be?", no one acknowledges his existance. Daniel is unconscience when Pete is close to him, then when Daniel is awake, Pete is on the other side of the warehouse, masked from Daniel's view by the big honkin' SUV.

Are TPTB setting up the storyline such that Pete is a figament of Sam's imagination? Me thinks yes.

tera'ngan
August 20th, 2004, 08:04 PM
Will somebody PLEASE explain to me O'Neill's comment in Sam's lab? :S

"Then I wouldn't be here." (Did I remember that right?)

I DON'T GET IT! Is he saying if they had gotten together then he would no longer be at SGC and that he is not willing to do that so she needs to move on? Is he saying of course he cares about her and that's why he is standing there in her lab asking her what's been bothering her? I don't usually post on these episode specific threads because I would just be repeating what everyone else is saying, but this one is bugging me. :)

Oh, and I'm going to go with definitely asgard. I kept waiting for "ring" sounds because they grouped together, but there were no "bounces" in the sound affects and it sounded suspiciously asgard to me. :D

Thanks in advance to anyone who has some insight for me . . .

-tera'ngan

Sam & Jack Shipper
August 20th, 2004, 08:06 PM
Well...............

Did I like it hmmmm...I not sure.

I liked seeing Tealc having his own apartment, I like the fact Tealc must have got sum.
The whole Sam Pete thing made me sick, Just him kissing her is GROSS and she said YES. YUCK.
I am curious as to what the symbols opened are were for. I want to know how the NID got an asqard transporter.
I liked the Daniel going on his own to save Tealc.
I liked the kid with the skateboard, I thought he was cool and a good actor.
It made me sad Tealc giving his apartment up.

1 out of 10 I give it a 5
Ok, I am going to have to re-watch this tomorrow because I didn't think it was bad. We had the shippiest scence in years, in the lab. And Jack never looked hotter! I think I will post tomorrow after I have had time to take it all in with out any distractions like a husband. <g>

EYU86
August 20th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Don't get defensive, i was just asking if it was necessary for them to move close together when using an Asgard transporter.
I'm not getting defensive.
Just trying to push the fact that those were Asgard transporter sound effects.
But, since it may be kind of a mock Asgard transporter, they might have to stand close together. Just have to wait and see.

Thor's Fury
August 20th, 2004, 08:07 PM
As to the transporter flash. I think it both sounded like and was consistent with an Asgard transport. I think we can assume that the bad guy's found and devised a means to access the ship Osiris used when she was delving into Daniel's memory. There was never any mention of it, but I think it therefore was cloaked seeing as Asgard transporters haven't shown long range(extrasolar) capabilities (correct me if I'm wrong). I didn't see the connection between the ancient text and accessing the transporter though. Unless as part of the four race alliance they all hard wired acces codes into their tech? So Ancients or Asgard or Nox etc. could use each other's tech as needed? Though that doesn't explain the need to have it translated to goa'uld. If you have any insights it would be appreciated.

P90
August 20th, 2004, 08:09 PM
Noooooooooooooooooo! My satelite went out for the last five minutes! What happened?! Sam said yes? What happened?! Oh god! I'm going to go kill somebody at Directv tomorrow. :(

Dionysus
August 20th, 2004, 08:09 PM
adding my two cents :p

Overall, for season 8, I'm still adjusting to the fact the Teal'c has hair and smiles a lot. (the one season I missed a lot of episodes in was 7.....I definitely need to catch up on that LOL :rolleyes: )

As for the episode, I actually thought it was pretty good. There were some good jokes (a previously mentioned example being Teal'c explaining relationship disputes on Chulak to Carter......what if the asking and request being granted thing doesn't work......"then weapons are required" ), I laughed out loud at that. Teal'c kicking the stuffing out of those punks in the opening was quite cool also. There was also some good mystery involved (Daniel getting involved, translation stuff, bad guys being transported/ringed out, etc) that it kept me hooked.

I never really was that hooked on the whole Jack-and-Sam-getting-together thing, and Carter finally letting this poor ..... man ..... off the hook with a yes was rather cathartic. I also greatly enjoyed Teal'c building a relationship with...(I forget her name now.....that girl that was his neighbor) and then at the end it 'seems' to abruptly end.

My only real complaint isn't with this episode in particular (although I just noticed it), but the season in general so far. Richard Dean Anderson's character seems more and more like he's just a paperweight, and rotting away inside at that. Just a few episodes into the new season, and it's like the character wants to die and the actor regrets playing him. Maybe it's just me.

sacme
August 20th, 2004, 08:10 PM
However, TPTB keep throwing the REGS in our faces as an excuse to not get Sam and Jack together but they can allow a butt rub while on duty!!! Sam and Jack can barely touch each other on duty and then only during life and death situations and then only on occasion. I think TPTB went way to far. Ok I can see maybe the kiss but the butt rub went way to far for my taste given all previous rules and REGULATIONS!!!
and that was a seriously long (disgusting) kiss. just the wrong place for her to say yes, if she was going to tongue him like that.

MAJKawalsky
August 20th, 2004, 08:13 PM
[QUOTE=Karibou]ITA. Sam is way too professional for that. Also agree that she'd never discuss SG1 business in public. And, why is it that it took PETE to track down the rental car? Doesn't the SGC, being a highly-funded, super-classified agency have its OWN people for that??[QUOTE]

Well, since Pete is a "chimera", Sam actually did track down the rental car on her own. She just hallucinated the phone call from Pete.

EYU86
August 20th, 2004, 08:13 PM
As to the transporter flash. I think it both sounded like and was consistent with an Asgard transport. I think we can assume that the bad guy's found and devised a means to access the ship Osiris used when she was delving into Daniel's memory. There was never any mention of it, but I think it therefore was cloaked seeing as Asgard transporters haven't shown long range(extrasolar) capabilities (correct me if I'm wrong). I didn't see the connection between the ancient text and accessing the transporter though. Unless as part of the four race alliance they all hard wired acces codes into their tech? So Ancients or Asgard or Nox etc. could use each other's tech as needed? Though that doesn't explain the need to have it translated to goa'uld. If you have any insights it would be appreciated.
You state a possible theory.
Osiris was captured, therefore her ship is somewhere near Earth because as far as we know, you are right about Asgard transporters only working close range. The rest I dunno about.

sacme
August 20th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Just wondering, what is with so many women that they love jerks like Krista. "It's been hard on him" please.
There were two very irrational women in this ep, in regards to their attachments to controlling men.

Karibou
August 20th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Will somebody PLEASE explain to me O'Neill's comment in Sam's lab?

"Then I wouldn't be here." (Did I remember that right?)

I DON'T GET IT! Is he saying if they had gotten together then he would no longer be at SGC and that he is not willing to do that so she needs to move on? Is he saying of course he cares about her and that's why he is standing there in her lab asking her what's been bothering her? I don't usually post on these episode specific threads because I would just be repeating what everyone else is saying, but this one is bugging me.

Oh, and I'm going to go with definitely asgard. I kept waiting for "ring" sounds because they grouped together, but there were no "bounces" in the sound affects and it sounded suspiciously asgard to me.

Thanks in advance to anyone who has some insight for me . . .


Ah, yes. More cryptic, not-quite-saying-anything dialog between Jack and Sam. I really hate that. Even in Grace, when Sam is talking to him in her HEAD, she doesn't really come out and say anything meaningful. ("Let's face it, I'm a sure thing." In WHAT way?? Hello?) Sometimes, I just go back and watch "divide and conquer" from season 4, just to hear the two of them having an honest conversation.

Just a testament to the amazing acting abilities of the cast. They easily give a hundred meanings to words that have none. And THAT'S why I watch.

MAJKawalsky
August 20th, 2004, 08:16 PM
Noooooooooooooooooo! My satelite went out for the last five minutes! What happened?! Sam said yes? What happened?! Oh god! I'm going to go kill somebody at Directv tomorrow. :(

In the immortal (immoral?) words of Bill Clinton, "I feel your pain."

Karibou
August 20th, 2004, 08:17 PM
Well, since Pete is a "chimera", Sam actually did track down the rental car on her own. She just hallucinated the phone call from Pete.
I do like that idea. But, how do you explain the ring? I guess she could have hallucinated and bought it herself. It's gonna totally suck, though, when she gets her Visa bill, LOL!!

ShadowMaat
August 20th, 2004, 08:18 PM
I'm not gonna read through six pages of replies before posting especially since I can guess, at least from the few messages I've skimmed, that a lot of it focuses on people screaming and moaning about Sam & Pete. :rolleyes: What-ever. As it happens, I loathed this ep, for a wide variety of reasons.

The opening scene was ridiculously trite. That thug reminded me SO strongly of Young Biff Tannen that I was tempted to check and see if it was the same actor.

And knocking down the purse-snatcher with a can of food? Has someone been watching Crocodile Dundee??

The whole Teal'c/Kendra thing was trite and predictible and convenient. And shallow. And trite. And stupid. I wish Teal'c's first major foray into trying to live on our world could have been a little more meaningful.

The stuff with Sam and Pete? I'm sorry, but the more I think about it, the more I feel that Sam doesn't deserve Pete- he's too good for her! Two weeks she makes him wait and he's still not only willing to keep waiting but still has hope of a possible "yes" answer?? Wow. That's faith. IMO, Pete deserves someone better- someone who won't keep stringing him along. I'd like to think that Sam was being perfectly open and sincere in her accepting of his proposal at the end (finally!), but I doubt it'll last. Poor Pete. :( And the Sam/Jack scene? Puh-lease! Enough already!

I'm sure the "stalker" reference wasn't enough to assuage those who... "complained" about it, but at least it got mentioned.

The only potentially interesting part- Daniel and the dudes from The Trust- was buried under all the other effluvia. Best part of the whole ep (for me) was definitely the scene in the park and the sniper shooting the coffee. Heh. :D Wish we'd gotten more of that whole scenario. Although I think I know where THAT is going, eventually.

However, as interesting as the sub-sub-plot was, I gotta wonder about those Trust guys. They go full-out in their surveliance/investigation, they're obviously pretty competent at what they're doing, they think of EVERY little detail, but they chuff up the position of the body- which seasoned investigators MISS, and they don't bother flagging the fake IDs and whatnot so that they can tell if someone is looking into things? Please.

All in all, I'd have to say it's one of the worst eps of the season. I only stuck through it for the Pete parts (and because I have some ideas about those Trust guys) but even that almost wasn't worth the effort of sitting through all the tedious other stuff.

crazylinguist
August 20th, 2004, 08:18 PM
I'm not getting defensive.
Just trying to push the fact that those were Asgard transporter sound effects.
But, since it may be kind of a mock Asgard transporter, they might have to stand close together. Just have to wait and see.

I know that it sounded like Asgard. I was just trying to look at all aspects. The sound was one thing, the sight another. Not trying to be argumentative, just keeping an open mind on the subject. Either way, it will be interesting. :)

Livi2Jack
August 20th, 2004, 08:18 PM
>>>>Will somebody PLEASE explain to me O'Neill's comment in Sam's lab?

"Then I wouldn't be here." (Did I remember that right?)<<<

Answer: Jack is saying that if things were different between them then one of them could not be in the same chain of command. He would not be the general in charge of the SGC since he regards Sam as a "National Resource even a National Treasure." So he would be the one gone.

The question is gone HOW? Gone fishing? Gone home to wait for Sam, his wife? Gone to another military posting? But he definately was not helping her out with expressing his feelings FOR her but rather he was foregoing any comment that would interfere with her own choices. He was smart enough to understand the question.

As to RDA as paperweight, I don't see it so far. I think he is settling in nicely as a counterpoint to Action Jack. He is Thinking Jack. Very different. He has to work behind the scenes pulling the power strings. The script intimated that was just what he had been and continued to do. EX. Teal'c s apartment over serious objections. Sending Daniel to deal with a subordinate without being heavy handed about it. Baring his "teeth" at the OSI puppet. Jack is fulfilling a different role. It is just more subtle.

keels
August 20th, 2004, 08:19 PM
I dont know why so many peopele hate Pete. i like him hes a great guy. He has not done anything to hurt her, he has been supportive and loving to her. I think he is an excellent character and i was happy when she said yes to him. The sam/jack shipper people have to come to grips that that was never goin to happen. now to be honest i have never read anything on the Sam/jack shipper thread, i dont get into that stuff. Bottom line is that Pete is a great guy and i think u people should get off his back for being a "stalker". any excuss u people can get to hate this guy u will find. but u have over look how good he is for carter.

Livi2Jack
August 20th, 2004, 08:23 PM
We "hate" Pete for being a stalker because some of us have experienced creepy guys who get out of line and never get straight again. A person who would violate someone the way Pete did to Sam was a red flag that more was wrong. The complaining also has to do with how TPTB are writing a strong woman into a desperate woman with low self-esteem. You may not agree, but that is the answer to WHY so many of us are against Pete. To fully appreciate this, check out the Pete-hating threads.

keels
August 20th, 2004, 08:23 PM
The stuff with Sam and Pete? I'm sorry, but the more I think about it, the more I feel that Sam doesn't deserve Pete- he's too good for her! Two weeks she makes him wait and he's still not only willing to keep waiting but still has hope of a possible "yes" answer?? Wow. That's faith. IMO, Pete deserves someone better- someone who won't keep stringing him along. I'd like to think that Sam was being perfectly open and sincere in her accepting of his proposal at the end (finally!), but I doubt it'll last. Poor Pete. :( And the Sam/Jack scene? Puh-lease! Enough already!


u know i love sam but i have to agree with shadow here. Leving him out to dry for 2 weeks was a real ***** thing to do.

sry sam :D still love ya.. :)

Dani347
August 20th, 2004, 08:24 PM
Fans who have watched for years are entitled to a positive resolution of the Jack-Sam relationship--the Pete option is not it.

I've watched for years and Sam and Jack getting together would be the final word in a negative, annoying, and worst thing that could ever happen resolution for me.

Replicarter
August 20th, 2004, 08:25 PM
im still waiting to watch this, i hate living in england.

[Hitokiri]Nguyen
August 20th, 2004, 08:25 PM
I too think Pete is a good character to have around. I mean, if you have to hate him, do so...he WAS the stalker type of guy. Gives us other guys who think Amanda Tapping is hot a bad name :P But I liked the episode nonetheless. Not the best, but it was ok.

Oh, and I don't think the teleporter used by The Trust was Asgard...maybe a mock teleporter, but it wasn't the pure thing. You can tell because the light it emitted was yellow, not white.

Karibou
August 20th, 2004, 08:27 PM
I dont know why so many peopele hate Pete. i like him hes a great guy. He has not done anything to hurt her, he has been supportive and loving to her. I think he is an excellent character and i was happy when she said yes to him. The sam/jack shipper people have to come to grips that that was never goin to happen. now to be honest i have never read anything on the Sam/jack shipper thread, i dont get into that stuff. Bottom line is that Pete is a great guy and i think u people should get off his back for being a "stalker". any excuss u people can get to hate this guy u will find. but u have over look how good he is for carter.
Not all shippers hate Pete. I'm a shipper, and think he's a good guy. But, shipper or not, I feel he distracts from the SG-1 dynamic. As much as I'd like to see ANY of the team in happy relationships, it's unrealistic. They live their work. The show is about the 4 SG-1 members, and any serious, long-term relationship with others outside the group just takes away from the core reason we all tune in. I think TPTB should keep the relationships in the SGC. Granted, this limits the choices, but as we all have pointed out, SG1 isn't a soap. It's an action/adventure show.

Guess my point is this: why go outside the group, when there's such great chemistry within it?

the adventurer
August 20th, 2004, 08:31 PM
I think everyone is miss interpretating Jack's "Then I wouldn't be here." comment. Remember Sam and Jack were talking about Kids.


So what Jack was talking about is, if his KID (Charlie) hadn't ever accidently shot himself and his first marage hadn't selfdistructed as a result, there is no way in hell Jack would have allowed himself to go on Potencial Suicide Missions twice a week.

It wasn't about the potencial Jack/Sam relationship.

Mio
August 20th, 2004, 08:31 PM
Didn't all the people move closer together before they transported? Would they need to do that for an Asgard Transporter? I just assumed rings... It made an asgard transport sound. And we didn't see a rings platform. If they'd ringed out, Sam would have saw a rings platform, and commented on their escape.


In any case, their targetting abilities may be less than fantastic, so perhaps they have to spend time making the calculations on where they need to be, then go to a designated spot.

ShadowMaat
August 20th, 2004, 08:31 PM
Not all shippers hate Pete. I'm a shipper, and think he's a good guy. But, shipper or not, I feel he distracts from the SG-1 dynamic. *snip*
Guess my point is this: why go outside the group, when there's such great chemistry within it?
This would probably be a good topic for the Ship Discussion Thread (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=88).

crazylinguist
August 20th, 2004, 08:33 PM
It made an asgard transport sound. And we didn't see a rings platform. If they'd ringed out, Sam would have saw a rings platform, and commented on their escape.


In any case, their targetting abilities may be less than fantastic, so perhaps they have to spend time making the calculations on where they need to be, then go to a designated spot.

This is true. Thanks. :)

MAJKawalsky
August 20th, 2004, 08:33 PM
Will somebody PLEASE explain to me O'Neill's comment in Sam's lab? :S

"Then I wouldn't be here." (Did I remember that right?)

I DON'T GET IT! Is he saying if they had gotten together then he would no longer be at SGC and that he is not willing to do that so she needs to move on? Is he saying of course he cares about her and that's why he is standing there in her lab asking her what's been bothering her? I don't usually post on these episode specific threads because I would just be repeating what everyone else is saying, but this one is bugging me. :)

Oh, and I'm going to go with definitely asgard. I kept waiting for "ring" sounds because they grouped together, but there were no "bounces" in the sound affects and it sounded suspiciously asgard to me. :D

Thanks in advance to anyone who has some insight for me . . .

-tera'ngan


Ahh, yes. The TPTB casting for big fish.

Theories on what Jack meant:
1. "If my son hadn't of killed himself with my gun, I never would have gone through the Stargate in the first place and would be happily living in retirement with Sarah."
2. "We would be married by now and I would be happily living in retirement with you."
3. "If we hadn't gotten our memories back when we were "Beneath the Surface", I would be happily living in a working retirement with Therra"
4. "If you hadn't have rescued me from Edora, I would be happily living in retirement with Laira."
5. "If we hadn't have figured out the nanites on Argos, I'd be dead but would have had several happy days in retirement with Kynthia."

Take your pick

getcarter
August 20th, 2004, 08:36 PM
I dont know why so many peopele hate Pete. i like him hes a great guy. He has not done anything to hurt her, he has been supportive and loving to her. I think he is an excellent character and i was happy when she said yes to him. The sam/jack shipper people have to come to grips that that was never goin to happen. now to be honest i have never read anything on the Sam/jack shipper thread, i dont get into that stuff. Bottom line is that Pete is a great guy and i think u people should get off his back for being a "stalker". any excuss u people can get to hate this guy u will find. but u have over look how good he is for carter.


Since you insist on say "u people" I feel the need to respond. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. However, it's not necessary to speak as though those who dislike the Pete character are idiots. Yes, I am a shipper and yes I do want Sam and Jack together but if they don't then so be it. It is only a television show after all..... But please don't try to tell us what we should or shouldn't feel. I think the shippers are a very positive fun group and we try to respect other's feelings. I would hope that everyone else would do the same. Even though we may differ in our opinions, one thing we can agree on is SG1 is a great show no matter what the outcome. Just MHO.

DJFavorite
August 20th, 2004, 08:37 PM
I can't say the episode was good or bad. It was interesting.

We get a taste of The Trust. I'm looking forward to some good storylines with them. I think that Daniel will be unknowing help to Anubis because of The Trust.

The Sam and Pete story. I think her not answering was interesting. Her thinking about how it would change her life. I'm sure for someone who has been single for that long, it would be a difficult decision. They didn't show Pete going through that thought process, but I'm sure he did. He puts his life on the line every day going to work as a cop. He can relate to Sam's feelings. He probably knew that it would be difficult for Sam to say yes.

As for the Jack comment that 'he wouldn't he there', I had a different thought. He went on the initial Abydos mission because his son had died and wanted to die himself. He was willing to go on a 'one-way mission'. Had he not died, Jack would have never been a part of the SGC.

I feel bad for Teal'c in having to move back to the SGC. I think it would have been nice to let him live in the 'real world' for a while. It was just last week he mentioned he got the permission to move off base. I know that some time has pasted between episodes (Teal'c was settled in), but it wouldn't have been for a huge amount of time.

Finally, I thought the episode was too choppy. They try to have one major storyline with two others linked. I think the links were poorly done.

sacme
August 20th, 2004, 08:38 PM
Will somebody PLEASE explain to me O'Neill's comment in Sam's lab? :S

"Then I wouldn't be here." (Did I remember that right?)

I DON'T GET IT! Is he saying if they had gotten together then he would no longer be at SGC and that he is not willing to do that so she needs to move on? Is he saying of course he cares about her and that's why he is standing there in her lab asking her what's been bothering her? I don't usually post on these episode specific threads because I would just be repeating what everyone else is saying, but this one is bugging me. :)

Oh, and I'm going to go with definitely asgard. I kept waiting for "ring" sounds because they grouped together, but there were no "bounces" in the sound affects and it sounded suspiciously asgard to me. :D

Thanks in advance to anyone who has some insight for me . . .

-tera'ngan
I'm a total shipper, but hearing that line the second time around, I hear Jack saying that if he had a family, he wouldn't be at the SGC risking his life everyday. Not shippy, just a tragic lost moment between the two, IMO.

Jonisa
August 20th, 2004, 08:40 PM
I thought it was okay, and definitely better than some of the Season 7 eps I really disliked. (Avenger 2.0, for example. :S ) There were parts I liked and parts I didn't.

What I liked:

1. Teal'c just being...Teal'c. What can I say, he's cool.
2. Daniel's knowledge of languages being a crucial plot point.
3. The scene with Sam, Teal'c and Daniel just talking. They have such a great chemistry. Also the scene with Teal'c and Daniel at the apartment.
4. I'm intrigued by what the NID, or "The Trust" is doing now. Just what did Daniel translate, anyway? I also agree with the earlier poster who liked the moral dilemma Daniel was confronted with.
5. Daniel got zatted again. Is Season 8 the "Let's shoot Daniel every other episode" Season? ;) I'm not complaining here. Keep whumping him. :D

Looking over my list, I'm realizing I mostly liked the Teal'c and Daniel parts best.

On to what I wasn't wild about.

1. The Sam/Pete thing. I. Don't. Care.
2. The Sam/Jack thing. I. Don't. Care.
3. The fact that the only storyline Sam has had so far seems to be her lovelife. How's she coping as the new commander of SG-1? She seems to be doing ok in the teeny bit of time we've seen her in command but I'd like to see more of this. I love kickass Carter. At least we have RepliCarter lurking in the background.
4. The Sam/Jack scene when she showed him the ring. Jack's comment at the end was too cryptic for me. What the heck did he mean by "I wouldn't be here."? :confused: Oh, that's right. I. Don't. Care. :D What a relief.
5. Jack was kind of scarce this episode. I know that's unavoidable, but I still would liked to have seen more of him. In earlier seasons he would have helped rescue Daniel.
6. Teal'c and Krista gettin' it on. Don't know why it bugged me, as they're both very good-looking people and I can see why they'd be attracted to each other, but I didn't really think it was necessary. That's a minor quibble though.

Overall, there was enough about this episode I liked to watch it again.

sacme
August 20th, 2004, 08:45 PM
My only real complaint isn't with this episode in particular (although I just noticed it), but the season in general so far. Richard Dean Anderson's character seems more and more like he's just a paperweight, and rotting away inside at that. Just a few episodes into the new season, and it's like the character wants to die and the actor regrets playing him. Maybe it's just me.
No, I agree that Jack has been lacking in intensity and drive this season. No matter what problem arises, he's so damn laid-back about everything.

Karibou
August 20th, 2004, 08:46 PM
I thought Michael Shanks did a fantastic job in this episode. The previews for this ep. made it sound like Daniel did something really bad to get Teal'c out of a tight spot, and I didn't really see that. (He was taken at gunpoint!) But I really enjoyed the Daniel/Teal'c interaction at the start of the show.

Anyone else feel like Teal'c got the short end of the stick? Can't help feeling he should have kept his apartment. He mentions that he's a target and would endanger those around him. But isn't this true of all the SG1 members? I thought he interacted with the "general populace" very well. I'd love to see him back outside again soon. Also loved the reference to his driving skills. Does Teal'c HAVE a driver's license?? LOL!

Dragonlor
August 20th, 2004, 09:05 PM
I liked the episode. Poor Teal'c was just trying to do the right thing and in the end he had to return to that "dungeon" of a base. Oh well, he still has his Star Wars and occasional pizza outing.

Lugal
August 20th, 2004, 09:26 PM
I thought it was an all right ep. It would have been more interesting to see Teal'c interacting with others more without the false/strained chemistry between Teal'c and Krista. I thought the Sam/Pete stuff dragged on a bit and I can't believe she left him hanging for two weeks.

The Daniel/Trust stuff was the most interesting and wish they would have gone into it more. I agree with the others who said it sounded like they beamed out with an Asgard transporter but...
Chimera
Anubis managed to get some Asgard tech from Thor, and Osiris was using a ship with an Asgard derived transporter, I'm assuming we recovered that as well as Sarah. That (ship or a transporter derived from it) could have been what they were using

Mio
August 20th, 2004, 10:15 PM
Chimera
I don't think we recovered that ship. Having Asgard tech would have been a big deal. It was probably pilotted by some jaffa or something.

Elwe Singollo
August 20th, 2004, 10:24 PM
I'm sorry, but you guys (or the people who have agreed/said it) say that the episode had less of everything except more of Sam/Pete, i disagree, i saw more Daniel than even the character the episode was mostly about, Teal'c. I also thought that the 'stalker' comment that finally came up was dealt with, and didn't make it such a big deal, in which imo was for the best (in my tv viewing that is haha).

TameFarrar
August 20th, 2004, 10:27 PM
I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said....I thought this was a Sci-Fi show...guess I will watch Atlantis for that

* CJ needs to be highlighted more he has done a good job this seson
* Enjoyed Daniel
*HATE Pink Jackets :)
*Sam just say NO NO NO oh well :(

Favororite line
How do couples settle things on Chulak
They break their pledge one to the other. and if that doesn't work....then a weapon is needed!!! I LMAOOOO that was too funny :D

Excali5033
August 20th, 2004, 10:27 PM
I think everyone is miss interpretating Jack's "Then I wouldn't be here." comment. Remember Sam and Jack were talking about Kids.


So what Jack was talking about is, if his KID (Charlie) hadn't ever accidently shot himself and his first marage hadn't selfdistructed as a result, there is no way in hell Jack would have allowed himself to go on Potencial Suicide Missions twice a week.

It wasn't about the potencial Jack/Sam relationship.


That's what I got from it, too. Didn't give it a second thought.

Was Teal'c's pouch really gone? I didn't even notice. In fact, I was about to comment on the awkward questions that must have raised that night in the motel... ;)

Elwe Singollo
August 20th, 2004, 10:29 PM
I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said....I thought this was a Sci-Fi show...guess I will watch Atlantis for that

* CJ needs to be highlighted more he has done a good job this seson
* Enjoyed Daniel
*HATE Pink Jackets :)
*Sam just say NO NO NO oh well :(

Favororite line
How do couples settle things on Chulak
They break their pledge one to the other. and if that doesn't work....then a weapon is needed!!! I LMAOOOO that was too funny :DI feel sorry for you, because i do know that your an avid S/J fan :(

fifthmember
August 20th, 2004, 11:12 PM
Marimba, Maybe it's just because we're both from Texas...

I was so upset about the developments in this episode -- both on and off screen.

I know Amanda Tapping wants a love interest and a chance to wear something other than boots. BUT, Pete is not the answer. However, so long as his brother is the writer/producer we're going to get Pete shoved down our throats.

You can NEVER convince me that an astrophysicist would be happy with a cop -- no matter who he is (or whose brother he is). A general maybe, an ambassador maybe -- not a cop. (By the way, what is the policy on AF married couples working in the same command? I know AF married couples who work in different commands.)

Then there was the really nasty reference to "stalking". Definitely low class and in poor taste.

So, Krista didn't get arrested for murder? Even in self-defense?

And, how did the x-NID (now 'The Trust' -- what?) get through on a secure line directly to Daniel Jackson?

And since Peter DeLuise is trying to sell the Pete-Sam thing, of course, Jack's scene with Carter in reference to the ring and 'roads not taken' was definitely flat. Following that scene, I just thought to myself, what was that?

I don't like all the Jack scenes being behind his desk or short walk-ons. I realize that was the way the writers are handling his shortened work schedule, but really. A little action here and there would be welcomed! And, as a team. Remember the original concept, the SG-1 TEAM?

Sam and Pete smooching behind the truck at the end of the op? Pla-ese. Aren't we adults here? Maybe not -- that was so juvenile.

So Teal'c has to return to the SGC because he was a pawn in the real plot which was easy to overlook -- Daniel's being threatened so he would translate the ancient text. They could have taken Sam or Jack just as easily -- they both live off base, too.

And, finally, I hate the Sam-Pete thing so much. If Sam really loved Pete, she wouldn't take weeks to give him an answer. I sure hope some writer will remedy that awful situation.

P.S. And the point of running the SG-1 episode right into the Atlantis episode?????

Excali5033
August 20th, 2004, 11:17 PM
I think they just assumed the NID murdered the guy to blackmail Daniel into helping. Or something. Hrm.

Elwe Singollo
August 20th, 2004, 11:54 PM
And, finally, I hate the Sam-Pete thing so much. If Sam really loved Pete, she wouldn't take weeks to give him an answer. I sure hope some writer will remedy that awful situation.
I think Sam wanted to make sure that she didn't have feelings for Jack still (thats what i think), and that she wanted to make sure what she was going to get herself into. I would rather wait 2 weeks to see of someone wants to marry me or not, then her saying no at the alter.

sky_blue_waters
August 21st, 2004, 12:10 AM
Did anyone else spot Amanda Tapping's mom in this episode? For real. She was in the background in one of the scenes. A background extra as it were. Amanda and her mum look nothing alike. Anyone want to take a guess at which woman was her?

sky_blue_waters
August 21st, 2004, 12:16 AM
I've watched for years and Sam and Jack getting together would be the final word in a negative, annoying, and worst thing that could ever happen resolution for me.


little one, it's going to happen -the handwriting is on the wall-

Jaffa_Jihad
August 21st, 2004, 12:37 AM
Ok first, great evolution for Teal'c; Showing his long coming adjustment to living with humans. Nice to see him find some one (for a while anyway).
As for the Pete situation, hoping she would say no but knew she was going to say yes.
Quote "Then I wouldn't be here."
I agree with one of you who said he was referring to his son; if his son had not died he wouldn't be there.
Last, the strange people who set Teal'c up; Can't wait to see where this is going.
Oh and for all you Jack and Sam Shippers, don't worry the marriage is never going to happen.

Elwe Singollo
August 21st, 2004, 12:44 AM
You just shot down the S/P shippers then:eek:

majorsal
August 21st, 2004, 12:50 AM
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I am a member of the "Pete as Chimera" camp. Pete has never interacted with any of the other regular characters. He has only had direct interaction with one other person on screen, his buddy from the FBI who did the background check on Sam. In Chimera, Sam did say "Pete been hit" to Jack but Jack never acknowledged Pete's presence.

In New Order, Pete misses Sam's promotion ceremony. He supposedly had been briefed on the SGC and would have been invited. I would certainly be miffed if my girlfriend missed my promotion ceremony.

Then in this ep, Pete again has no meanful interaction with ANYONE else. Most of the time he is alone with Sam. Even during the take down of the warehouse when the special ops soldier informs Sam that the warehouse is empty and Pete asks "How could that be?", no one acknowledges his existance. Daniel is unconscience when Pete is close to him, then when Daniel is awake, Pete is on the other side of the warehouse, masked from Daniel's view by the big honkin' SUV.

Are TPTB setting up the storyline such that Pete is a figament of Sam's imagination? Me thinks yes.

All I have to say is ooooohhhhhh.... :p I like these possibilities. :D

Sally :D

Mio
August 21st, 2004, 01:25 AM
Did anyone else spot Amanda Tapping's mom in this episode? For real. She was in the background in one of the scenes. A background extra as it were. Amanda and her mum look nothing alike. Anyone what to take a guess at which woman was her?
Was she the nosy neighbor?

Elwe Singollo
August 21st, 2004, 02:03 AM
Was she the nosy neighbor?That would have been my guess :rolleyes: Maybe it was the lady saying thank you to Teal'c after hitting the thief, me don't know!?

Major Fischer
August 21st, 2004, 02:56 AM
Even after a nights sleep, I still felt like the 'stalker' reference was insulting... and damaging. It makes it appear that TPTB believe that behavior like he has exhibited is acceptable, and to be dismissed with a chuckle. How many women--or people in general--get killed because people don't take them seriously? Is this really a role model?

Farther more, it was enough out of place that I am thinking about it as a line that was written on the page, not something that would have rolled out of either character's mouth.

Teal'c
August 21st, 2004, 03:35 AM
I'll get to the episode in a minute, but this is the first time I've skipped an episode thread straight to the reply because I can't stand pages of people moaning about Sam and Pete, you've done it enough already! :P

It's completely disgraceful that you'll disregard an entire episode (a brilliant one if I do say) just because Sam and Pete got engaged. Sam and Pete's relationship was in what? 4 scenes? Let's see... the proposal, when Sam and Daniel were talking to Teal'c, when she was talking to Jack (I'll get to that too :P), when she called Pete and finally when she said yes. That was 5 scenes, I'd say about 5 minutes of the episode overall, and people are saying that it was too much about them? :P

OK, the episode was superb! :D

I loved vigilante (sp?) Teal'c and Krista was sooooooo hot :P I loved the stalker comment (Another kick in the face of those anti-pete-ites :P) though I did choke thinking of the reaction of said group :P

Daniel's message was cool (since I could read it :P) and the bit with the coffee was very funny :P As for the Asgard transporters...

SPOILERS Endgame
... loved the foreshadowing for Endgame. Looks like they'll be up there a while before they try their big hesit :P I'm assuming what Daniel translated was some sort of code for the ship

Elwe Singollo
August 21st, 2004, 03:48 AM
It's completely disgraceful that you'll disregard an entire episode (a brilliant one if I do say) just because Sam and Pete got engaged. Sam and Pete's relationship was in what? 4 scenes? Let's see... the proposal, when Sam and Daniel were talking to Teal'c, when she was talking to Jack (I'll get to that too :P), when she called Pete and finally when she said yes. That was 5 scenes, I'd say about 5 minutes of the episode overall, and people are saying that it was too much about them? :P
OMG! Finally i find someone else who agrees with me about the Sam/Pete scenes!!! Ok maybe i skipped 5, cough 7, pages but it didn't seem like no one mentioned it anyways.

I could say the only scifi i saw in this episode was the sounds and the lights of the Trust beaming away near the end of the episode, and oh yes, of course the weapons and Teal'c himself, haha, but i didn't mind it because i thought the episode did good, except that annoying kid that praised Teal'c alot, grr, i'm still annoyed.

sueKay
August 21st, 2004, 03:54 AM
All I have to say is ooooohhhhhh.... :p I like these possibilities. :D

Sally :D

Maybe Pete's Urgo's son, or is Urgo mark 2, since DDL is Daddy DeLuise's son!

ecm101
August 21st, 2004, 03:57 AM
As to the transporter flash. I think it both sounded like and was consistent with an Asgard transport. I think we can assume that the bad guy's found and devised a means to access the ship Osiris used when she was delving into Daniel's memory. There was never any mention of it, but I think it therefore was cloaked seeing as Asgard transporters haven't shown long range(extrasolar) capabilities (correct me if I'm wrong). I didn't see the connection between the ancient text and accessing the transporter though. Unless as part of the four race alliance they all hard wired acces codes into their tech? So Ancients or Asgard or Nox etc. could use each other's tech as needed? Though that doesn't explain the need to have it translated to goa'uld. If you have any insights it would be appreciated.
:) ;)
Or That Anibus's computers were incripted in the Ancient's languge. That I why they need A Goul'd Translation?

Elwe Singollo
August 21st, 2004, 04:12 AM
:) ;)
Or That Anibus's computers were incripted in the Ancient's languge. That I why they need A Goul'd Translation?I think they'll explain this in the future episode, hopefully, becuase i was wondering about the samething, and i was also wondering on how they could confirm it and stuff.

Positively Kanyon
August 21st, 2004, 04:19 AM
Well looks like we have a new contender for "Worst Stargate Episode Ever"

I don't want to sound so negative, but the show is called Stargate SG-1 not Days Of Our Lives. Don't flame me, this is my opinion, but this episode bored the absolute crap out of me. 1 out of 10.

jyh
August 21st, 2004, 04:34 AM
Actually I rather enjoyed this episode. I loved to see how Teal'c got along outside the SGC. I always wondered about that. His comment about watching home decorating shows was priceless.

I really don't understand why some of you are angry at the 'stalker' thing. It shows interaction with their fan base, and I found it quite humorous actually. I don't think it was meant to be insulting in the slightest.

I don't know exactly what I feel about the whole Pete/Sam thing. I haven't really thougth about it that much yet. All I could think about when the episode ended was "Sam/Jack shippers are going to have a field day with this one..." :)


I find myself agreeing w/ crazylinguist. I also enjoyed seeing how Teal'c was attempting to fit in to the "real" world (ha!... in some ways we're more savage than many people on undeveloped planets).

I thought the "stalker" line was funny, not insulting. The writers are acknowledging how that particular episode came across to some of us fans (myself included), and showing us that Sam recognized it too. In other ways, Pete seems to be a nice guy. How many other guys would wait patiently for two weeks while the woman decides whether or not to marry him? Plus, he came through for her and her friends when it mattered, even before she said yes. As for the timing of the acceptance... Obviously the whole final "find Daniel" scene struck some sort of chord in her and instantly helped her change her mind. Personally I thought the actual scene itself was funny, as Carter kept repeating "Yes."

The Jack & Sam scene... it seemed like they both wanted to say so much, but were afraid to. Sam said "What if things had been different?" Did she mean things different between the two of them, and would they both still be members of SG-1? Or if things were different and his son was still alive, and would he still go through the 'gate on missions? There a hundreds of ways things could be "different." But I thought Sam's introspection about her relationship w/ Pete in relation to her job was very good. At one point when she said "what about kids?" and Jack said "plenty of people at the SGC have families." She should have replied "Yeah, but how many of them go through the 'gate?" It's certainly something to think about... you don't drop your kid off at daycare & then run off to P3X829 to see what the Goa'uld are up to. But I certainly think that even tho she said "yes," that opens more possibilities for her to change her mind to "no" or for more interesting conversations with Jack.

Almost overlooked in all of this is the real "plot" here, the group that wanted the information from Daniel. They almost seemed secondary, but obviously the effects of this will be felt in future episodes. I know they wanted something translated by Daniel, but what I don't understand is this: they want him to translate, but they said "if you don't translate it right, we'll know." What does that mean???? If they'll know if it's wrong, why don't they also know how to translate it themselves?

Shipperahoy
August 21st, 2004, 05:21 AM
Didn't love it, didn't hate it. Even though I'm a shipper I liked Pete much better in this episode than I did in Chimera. I'm starting to feel sorry for him. The whole time I kept thinking "You poor ba*****. Your heart is going to be broken into a zillion pieces. She took 2 weeks to say yes. Wake up and smell the indecision. Hellooo!" But then again I've never liked the thought of them introducing a significant other. And I think that the stalker line, although probably not intended to be insulting, was completely unnecessary and only served to add fuel to the fire.

The Teal'c storyline was alright. It was entertaining but I never really got too invested in it. The martial arts training montage was a little too Karate Kid for me. I kept waiting for Mr. Miyagi to show up. "Wax on, Wax off."

auralan
August 21st, 2004, 05:34 AM
Even after a nights sleep, I still felt like the 'stalker' reference was insulting... and damaging. It makes it appear that TPTB believe that behavior like he has exhibited is acceptable, and to be dismissed with a chuckle. How many women--or people in general--get killed because people don't take them seriously? Is this really a role model?

Farther more, it was enough out of place that I am thinking about it as a line that was written on the page, not something that would have rolled out of either character's mouth.

I really don't mind that they addressed it, but the way the line was written and delivered it felt awkward and self-aware. I don't like them tossing in awkward lines like that just to respond to fans -- at least in an otherwise serious episode. A Wormhole Extreme type pretty much begs for it. However, in a serious episode, it's just gonna sound odd forever in syndication. Make the line natural and deliver it straight or just skip it.

elhSG1
August 21st, 2004, 05:35 AM
Definately not my favorite episode. I did like the scenes with Teal'c adjusting to life outside the SGC, loved the scene with him and Daniel at the apartment. I didn't like Pete in Chimera, but he was okay as the cop in this one, however I don't see him sticking around for much longer. I guess I just miss the episodes about the Stargate.

Glad they showed the previews for next weeks during Atlantis, looks like it could be an interesting episode.

Elfinwood
August 21st, 2004, 05:47 AM
Did anyone else spot Amanda Tapping's mom in this episode? For real. She was in the background in one of the scenes. A background extra as it were. Amanda and her mum look nothing alike. Anyone what to take a guess at which woman was her?

I know that she was to be in the playground scene. I take it that you actually know which lady she was? Or, are we all just to guess here?
My guess...perhaps the lady in the red coat directly behind AT during the bench scene with DDL?

Mar9645
August 21st, 2004, 06:03 AM
This is Stargate SG-1? Affinity was even more pointless than Avatar.

I want Teal'c episodes where he's with the rebel Jaffa kicking Goa'uld butt!

auralan
August 21st, 2004, 06:17 AM
How many other guys would wait patiently for two weeks while the woman decides whether or not to marry him?

Oh, I know a few. They're very nice guys. They always put whatever woman they're dating on a bit of a pedestal. They tend to be very nice, very understanding, and accept whatever the woman has to offer. They'd happily wait two weeks for an answer then be so thrilled at the yes as to not question the delay. The end of this cycle is, of course, the woman leaves them 'inexplicably', they're crushed and don't even begin to understand how it could have gone wrong because everything was so perfect. Sounds anything like Pete's description of his divorce? I now totally buy that he was sincere in not knowing what went wrong. There were likely huge warning signs, but his type never would have seen it coming.

There's a reason they say nice guys finish last. Most guys wouldn't wait two weeks for an answer because it's a sign of serious indecision and doubts. They'd rather get an answer like, "It's just too soon. We haven't even lived in the same city, yet. Lets take it one step at a time and talk about marriage again in a few months," than no answer at all for weeks. That kind of deferral is actually a much better answer and sign for the relationship working out long term than Sam's sort of doubts that never even get discussed within the relationship. The deferral means the woman knows where she is in the relationship and what she wants from it in the short and potentially long term. Sam had no such clue. The ring surprised her completely. She wasn't thinking that kind of long-term with Pete. I think he was so surprised at the sudden yes, not because it had been two weeks, but because it came out of the blue without any discussion of whatever took her two weeks to ponder. And she really should have communicated her issues to Pete better -- especially relationship issues like family and priorities. Leaving him hanging like that with no explanation is rather lousy relationship behavior and a bad sign for their future.

I do like Pete much more in this episode than I did in Chimera. However, he now reminds me of my nice guy friends who are always getting crushed by women -- and who I think should have learned the warning signs by now. There are times to ask questions. National security matters? No. Why your grilfriend is having doubts and needs two weeks to think? Yes.

pettygrew
August 21st, 2004, 07:09 AM
Was she the nosy neighbor?

The nosy neighbor is an actress. I've seen her before.

I doubt if she was the one thanking Teal'c. An extra getting dialogue is rare, plus they get paid more.

I'd have to rewatch it, but would she have been at the park during Sam and Pete's scene?

prion
August 21st, 2004, 07:09 AM
I am not a shipper, but I found the stalker line to be incredibly insulting.

I'm not a shipper either, but I found that remark to be the funniest thing of the whole script, which otherwise was nothing more than a copy off any number of movies on LIFETIME network in which a woman is in jeopardy, etc. etc.

I think the producers probably found all the hate mail from people screaming about 'Pete the stalker' equally if not more insulting.

I hope we're not going to get more episodes like this. The Stargate barely even showed up in this episode. I *think* I saw it in the background just once. The episode was filled with stereotypical characters - woman in jeopardy, street kid who admires Teal'c, etc.

Worse yet, Scifi didn't think much of it either I guess as they hacked off the end credits completely.

Overall, the only redeeming part of the episode were Sam and Pete and the fact that she was actually happy and said yes. Of course, being an action-adventure tv show, we know it ain't gonna last. And yeah, Daniel telling Teal'c t hat no, please don't save people all the time. IT's just not done. We Earth folk basically turn the cheek and let people get mugged ;)

sky_blue_waters
August 21st, 2004, 07:09 AM
Was she the nosy neighbor?


Nope,...She was the woman in the red coat next to the slippery slide, in the playground scene. She was visiting Amanda on the set and PDL put her in the scene. I guess PDL likes to grab family members of the cast and crew and put them in the show unexpectedly.

Elfinwood
August 21st, 2004, 07:10 AM
I have to say that I enjoyed this episode. I've grown accustomed to the writer's predilection toward cliches and other show/movie "homages", so those things don't bother me as much as they do some other viewers. In fact, a lot of the time it makes me chuckle.

I am just grateful that they are using Teal'c as more than someone to hold a staff weapon.

I wish they had done the introduction to the new name "The Trust" a little differently. Daniel just saying it like it was common knowledge was a bit underdone. It should have had more of an impact on the viewer by being introduced as a new revelation to the SGC. It probably would have brought that storyline more to the forefront and downplayed the personal relationships a bit more for those who don't enjoy that sort of thing with their Stargate.

I saw nothing wrong with Sam deliberating so long over the proposal. It did come as a bit of a surprise to her. She didn't appear to expect it. This is a *huge* decision for her. Even though Jack pointed out that others on the base handle having spouses and families, she is really not like *others*. She's a part of SG-1. She's a part of the first line, the top tier, so to speak. She's not the typical SF or scientist who spends all of their time on-base and just does a routine top-secret job. Her job and the ramifications of it go far beyond that of the average SGC personnel or even that of the average SG team member. I have to give Pete credit for being so patient and understanding about her needing time. (Quite a switch from how his character was portrayed in Chimera! ) Although, I would be a bit concerned about it if I were him and not just take her "yes" at face value.
The scenes between the two were a bit like what I didn't like about Chimera though. The desire for TPTB to portray the conflicting images of a happy lasting relationship with the harsh realities of the job result in scenes which are not entirely plausible. Examples:the playground scene where they are talking openly about the Stargate project, the acceptance and kiss while on the job. Those scenes IMO only serve to make Sam look a bit unprofessional. She deserves to be written better. (If these are the parts of the script that AT was concerned about and brought to RCC's attention...I agree with you AT!) On the other hand, Teal'c's storyline, even with the "superpowers" :) didn't make him seem out of character.

I will have to say that I am enjoying the start of this season much more than the start of season 7. Too many times last year, I came away with the feeling that the show was about the guest star. Pete in Chimera, Felger in Avenger, the alien brothers in Space Race, (not to discredit MS's performance) the alien soldier in Lifeboat. Not so, this year. I've finished watching every show so far this year with the image of either the team or a main cast member in my head. That's why I tune in each week. Thanks, TPTB.

Oh, and thanks for the Jack and Sam scene. :)

BeerGirl
August 21st, 2004, 07:28 AM
"it seemed like they both wanted to say so much, but were afraid to. Sam said "What if things had been different?" Did she mean things different between the two of them, and would they both still be members of SG-1? Or if things were different and his son was still alive, and would he still go through the 'gate on missions? There a hundreds of ways things could be "different."
Yes, but his answer says it all. "I wouldn't be here", since he is there, there is nothing "different" about any relationship with sam, that was all in her head anyway. If he cared, he wouldn't be there in the SGC, and since he is, it follows he sees no nor has no interest in a relationship with Sam, from his own mouth!!!! "I wouldn't be here"!!!!!!!!!

AlphaBlu
August 21st, 2004, 07:38 AM
7--what's up with that stalker comment? Is that a personal stab at shippers? <snipped by moderator>
Ok, I'm done now in regards to "that" issue. Now for my real review:

Wow. I thought Affinity was going to be filler. I guess I have to eat my words.

*eats words*

So we're 2 from 7 now (Icon & Avatar being the only filler eps so far).

Now, specifically.

Let's start with the Erica Durance (aka Hot Woman). I liked her. All you Smallville fans can look forward to seeing her as none other than Lois Lane. Teal'c is a lucky man... alien... Jaffa... whatever.

Anyway, back to the plot. Teal'c trying to live a normal life was a lot of fun. He stops crime - he's a super hero!! That was very cool.

But seriously, Erica Durance is hot!

Ok, the NID plot came out of no where and made the episode far more interesting. They have an Asgard transporter? They want Ancient writing translated? And best of all, it isn't explained by episode's end, and the bad guys aren't caught!

Yes folks, this is another episode where we don't win.

The problem with a show that's been running as long as Stargate is is that there are only so many episodes where the team can be in peril, can be captured, can be threatened with death. We always, always know that they're going to get out of trouble, so in order to create any form of tension, you have to add in another factor - the narrative cannot be centred around "Will they make it?" because the answer is always "YES THEY WILL!".

In this case, the other factor was Lois... Erica... Krista... Hot Woman. We didn't know if she would make it, there was a chance of her dying. This, we have tension, and thus, we have a story worth watching. Furthermore, the focus of the narrative became not "Teal'c is framed" but "Why the **** do the NID want this, and why are they teleporting?". It's a switch - the plot takes a sharp turn somewhere else and the audience is left wondering "What the...?".

By episode's end we have Ex-NID up to something that we don't know (windows left open, very nice to be doing that in a show's *possible* final season), Kirsta having killed her boyfriend, and Teal'c being forced to move back to the base. Not a happy ending, well, there was a little bit of happyness...

She said YES!!!

BYE

anisea
August 21st, 2004, 08:52 AM
everything happened too quickly in the episode. carter should have listened to herself, she was righ the first time. come on-- a guy who knows to call pizza places to find out regualrs is kind of scary. i would be, she shold be too. he may be brillant in that aspect-- but what makes yout hink he won't go further than he did before into your life.

we now have stalker-pete and staker-neighboor-girl-who-kills-her-boyfriend-and runs-away-with-teal'c.

i can only hope better things happen in the future.

sueKay
August 21st, 2004, 09:08 AM
<snipped by moderator>
Ok, I'm done now in regards to "that" issue. Now for my real review:

Wow. I thought Affinity was going to be filler. I guess I have to eat my words.

*eats words*

So we're 2 from 7 now (Icon & Avatar being the only filler eps so far).

Now, specifically.

Let's start with the Erica Durance (aka Hot Woman). I liked her. All you Smallville fans can look forward to seeing her as none other than Lois Lane. Teal'c is a lucky man... alien... Jaffa... whatever.

Anyway, back to the plot. Teal'c trying to live a normal life was a lot of fun. He stops crime - he's a super hero!! That was very cool.

But seriously, Erica Durance is hot!

Ok, the NID plot came out of no where and made the episode far more interesting. They have an Asgard transporter? They want Ancient writing translated? And best of all, it isn't explained by episode's end, and the bad guys aren't caught!

Yes folks, this is another episode where we don't win.

The problem with a show that's been running as long as Stargate is is that there are only so many episodes where the team can be in peril, can be captured, can be threatened with death. We always, always know that they're going to get out of trouble, so in order to create any form of tension, you have to add in another factor - the narrative cannot be centred around "Will they make it?" because the answer is always "YES THEY WILL!".

In this case, the other factor was Lois... Erica... Krista... Hot Woman. We didn't know if she would make it, there was a chance of her dying. This, we have tension, and thus, we have a story worth watching. Furthermore, the focus of the narrative became not "Teal'c is framed" but "Why the **** do the NID want this, and why are they teleporting?". It's a switch - the plot takes a sharp turn somewhere else and the audience is left wondering "What the...?".

By episode's end we have Ex-NID up to something that we don't know (windows left open, very nice to be doing that in a show's *possible* final season), Kirsta having killed her boyfriend, and Teal'c being forced to move back to the base. Not a happy ending, well, there was a little bit of happyness...

She said YES!!!

BYE

Just to say that I find your comments towards shippers to be very insulting.
I know a lot of RL gaters, and only a few of them are shippers, but I've found that not a lot of people like Pete at all. The character just doesn't come across as a nice person.
As for hate mail, I've sent a letter to TPTB. I got a neutral fan to read it over for me, and I was careful with the wording despite how I felt at the time. I've read another few shippers' letters, and they've all been very precise and not rude.
I am very annoyed that you have generalised shippers. People call us crazy because we don't like a character. The majority of people (even the 'insane' shippers) don't want Pete to die, so get your facts straight on that too!

I'll now end my mini rant.

Catysg1
August 21st, 2004, 09:49 AM
grrr......

this episode mad me soooo mad. i cannot believe she said yes. this has killed my love for the show. maybe stalker pete will change, yes that would be great.

i am soo mad. what a waste of an episode.


Yeah you said it ,.....I posted more on the Sam and Jack shipper thread ..which I don't want to repeat here ....but ....I regret to have sent My music videos to AT ....because apparently she does not and TPTb understand why fans could be dedicated to Sam and Jack ..huhhhhh ...

We saw them work and interact together for 7 seasons and all of a sudden ..a guy ..out of nowhere turns up ...(not even Stargate related :rolleyes: )...and takes all Sam and Jack ..Daniel and Teal'c screen time ... :S

Not fair ....and she kissed him again ...bah.........and said "yes" LIKE 3 TIMES ......Do we have to hear that 3 times for crying out loud?!!!!

If TPTB is reading that ...then they know that S&J shippers now expect a sensual love scene at the end between Sam and Jack . ;)

I mean the scene Teal'c had with that girl while practising martial arts and back to his place was absoultely sensual , and beautiful .....

We really should get something like that with Sam and Jack at the end ......

and please not a boring and stupid simple fishing invitation ....How pathetic is that ....????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just can't believe it .....Millions of Sam and Jack shippers are probably gonna stop all their artworks now cuz TPTB would have destroyed their love for the show and SAM AND JACK ..Blind me.......it's very sad indeed. :S

It'S BAD ...REALLY BAD ...and for the episodes itself ..welll Was it Stargate or what ?? MORE LIKE Columbo = scruffy Pete looking for clues . :rolleyes:

Can we please go back to the earlier Stargate episodes ????I'm not too keen on Earth episodes unless it's like "Desesperate measures"



Caty

MagnoliaAnaglypta
August 21st, 2004, 10:01 AM
One thing that bothered me was how Daniel translated the symbols, i find it hard to believe he did it so quickly without any notes.

.
It was established in 'Fallen' that Daniel can read Ancient as though it were English. It was strongly implied in that episode that this was a kind of 'gift' held over from when he was Ascended.

He doesn't need time to translate Ancient writing.

AmyE
August 21st, 2004, 10:41 AM
I enjoyed this episode, but the one thing that is not sitting well with me is the fact that Teal'c's neighbor Crystal did initially attempt to frame him for the murder of her boyfriend. In the end noone seemed to care at all about this devious act. I mean what would/could have happened if the "bad x-nid" guys did not get involved? Would she have continued this charade tried to let Teal'c take the fall for this? No one seems to care that she did commit a murder and drag this guy's body to the wall and convice Teal's to leave town in order to look guilty just to lay the blame on him and not her. Just did not understand why everyone was treating her like an innocent victim and all sad and friendy with goodbyes at the end when she was not. I would have like to see Jack say "cuff her" to law enforcement of something. Or at least see her have some kind of consequence for what she did do and try to do. Did not like the way the writers just let it go. Or did I miss something? Nonetheless, other than that point did like the episode.

Critter
August 21st, 2004, 10:45 AM
I really don't mind that they addressed it, but the way the line was written and delivered it felt awkward and self-aware. I don't like them tossing in awkward lines like that just to respond to fans -- at least in an otherwise serious episode. A Wormhole Extreme type pretty much begs for it. However, in a serious episode, it's just gonna sound odd forever in syndication. Make the line natural and deliver it straight or just skip it.
I agree with you here auralan. I felt like that line---the stalker line---was really cold. Said as an afterthought not really with any meaning. Did they toss a bone to those of us that feel that way about Pete? Totally unnecessary in that surrounding.

brihana25
August 21st, 2004, 10:52 AM
I think TPTB went way to far. Ok I can see maybe the kiss but the butt rub went way to far for my taste given all previous rules and REGULATIONS!!!

Oh, definitely. Pete touched the top of her left hip while she was on duty. Send her to Leavenworth. Totally uncalled for - totally unprecedented.

Despite the fact that Jack slept with Kynthia while on duty. Despite the fact that Teal'c kissed Drey'auc (a married woman, at the time) while on duty. Despite the fact that Daniel possibly slept with Shyla while on duty. Desite the fact that Sam kissed Narim while on duty. Despite the fact that Jack hugged Sara while on duty.

Pete touched her hip when he kissed her. Throw the book at him!

brihana25
August 21st, 2004, 10:55 AM
Fans who have watched for years are entitled to a positive resolution of the Jack-Sam relationship--the Pete option is not it.

And what are those of us who have watched since the beginning and still don't want Sam and Jack together entitled to?

brihana25
August 21st, 2004, 11:03 AM
Not to defend pete. I hate him too....but I thought they were on the same side.

They were on the same side. Teal'c walks out of his apartment (screen left), walks down the hall and knocks on Krista's door (still screen left).

The old woman was across the hall.

brihana25
August 21st, 2004, 11:07 AM
ITA. Sam is way too professional for that. Also agree that she'd never discuss SG1 business in public.

You're right.

She didn't discuss it with Cassie in a public park, did she?

She didn't discuss it walking down the steps of the Pentagon with Jack, when a reporter across the street with a microphone could record it, did she?

Major Fischer
August 21st, 2004, 11:09 AM
And what are those of us who have watched since the beginning and still don't want Sam and Jack together entitled to?

I'm with you there. I'm half tempted to tell people that I thought Carter and Fraiser had more chemistry (jokingly) than either her and Pete or her and Jack. :) But that's just starting trouble, and I would never do that.

I don't have an issue with the kiss really, but she could have gone to Leavenworth for the park conversation. I'd have even accepted it if Sam had actually shut him up with the "I could go to prison and so could you, so let's talk about something else," but they don't do that. THey go off to talk about how she's a superhero without tights.

brihana25
August 21st, 2004, 11:10 AM
Will somebody PLEASE explain to me O'Neill's comment in Sam's lab? :S

"Then I wouldn't be here." (Did I remember that right?)

I DON'T GET IT! Is he saying if they had gotten together then he would no longer be at SGC and that he is not willing to do that so she needs to move on? Is he saying of course he cares about her and that's why he is standing there in her lab asking her what's been bothering her? I don't usually post on these episode specific threads because I would just be repeating what everyone else is saying, but this one is bugging me. :)

Thanks in advance to anyone who has some insight for me . . .

"If things had been different..." (meaning - if Jack still had his family)

"Then I wouldn't be here." (meaning - if Charlie hadn't died, Jack wouldn't have been sent to Abydos, he and Sara would still be married, and he'd be living the life he intended himself to lead rather than working at the SGC)

Shipperahoy
August 21st, 2004, 11:24 AM
I'm still kind of undecided about Jack's statement in the lab and what it was pertaining too. Initially I thought it was pertaining to Sam and Jack since the shippy music started on cue as soon as Sam asked him. And there was that little face she made like she shouldn't have asked. But the Charlie thing makes sense too. I guess it's just one of life's little mysteries.

Dani347
August 21st, 2004, 11:24 AM
Well looks like we have a new contender for "Worst Stargate Episode Ever"

I don't want to sound so negative, but the show is called Stargate SG-1 not Days Of Our Lives. Don't flame me, this is my opinion, but this episode bored the absolute crap out of me. 1 out of 10.

I hope no one flames you. I'm probably 100% in disagreement with a lot of opinions expressed about the episode, but you and they have every right to express them.

Dani347
August 21st, 2004, 11:31 AM
little one, it's going to happen -the handwriting is on the wall-

A) Do you have a script that says it? B)I'll still express every time how horrible I'd find it, no matter how much "handwriting is on the wall" C) Don't call me little one.

Shipperahoy
August 21st, 2004, 11:36 AM
The conversation in the park kind of bugged me too but Brihana is right in that it's not the first time such a thing has happened. I think some creative license has to be taken for exposition. I think that having Pete propose in the park surrounded by children and families was purposeful and so they sort of disregarded the whole breach of security thing.

brihana25
August 21st, 2004, 11:40 AM
I've seen two posts in this thread already that have gone way beyond the bounds of decency, IMHO, in regards to David DeLuise the actor.

Not liking Pete is one thing. Saying that Mr. DeLuise only has a job because his brother is a director (one among many, I might add) is something entirely different.

brihana25
August 21st, 2004, 11:45 AM
I'm still kind of undecided about Jack's statement in the lab and what it was pertaining too. Initially I thought it was pertaining to Sam and Jack since the shippy music started on cue as soon as Sam asked him. And there was that little face she made like she shouldn't have asked. But the Charlie thing makes sense too. I guess it's just one of life's little mysteries.

See... I actually really like this scene, and this is why.

This is, to me, "ship done right."

I walk away from that scene thinking someone gave the music guy a miscue on the shippy theme - because the only love I saw in Jack's eyes was for Sara.

Others are walking away from it thinking that it was all about Jack and Sam, and which one would leave the SGC if they got involved.

A little ambiguity goes a long way, I say. If I had one wish for the show, and the J/S ship, it would be only that TPTB had learned this little lesson a year ago. Had the scenes in The Lost City been this ambiguous, I would have liked that episode a whole lot more than I do.

brihana25
August 21st, 2004, 11:52 AM
The conversation in the park kind of bugged me too but Brihana is right in that it's not the first time such a thing has happened. I think some creative license has to be taken for exposition. I think that having Pete propose in the park surrounded by children and families was purposeful and so they sort of disregarded the whole breach of security thing.

It caught me a bit off guard too, especially following as it did her "You know I can't talk about work," line.

Pete only said one thing that I considered to be out of line in the scene, and that was the "You travel to other planets to battle aliens bent on galactic domination." line. Anyone listening - and who would be listening, when the nearest people old enough to actually understand him were paying attention to their children - would have either thought he was exaggerating or that he was talking about a movie or something.

The "How's the galaxy?" question... he could have been talking to an astronomer for all anyone would have known.

The conversation she had with Jack in Secrets was much more potentially damaging, because Sam actually mentioned the Stargate by name, and in response to Jack talking about navigating his way across the galaxy.

Ugly Pig
August 21st, 2004, 12:25 PM
Grab your torch and pitchforks! Here's


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Affinity'

I'm not sure what to think of this episode. Most of it seemed like build-up, and then all of a sudden it's over, the problem is resolved. Heck, the problem - Teal'c becomes a murder suspect - didn't even appear until halfway through the episode.

Not that it wasn't enjoyable. Teal'c's "neighbourhood superhero" actions were good fun, as was his interaction with the people he encountered. It was a little dissappointing to see him leaving that setting again at the end, and I didn't quite understand why he had to do that. He got cleared of the murder suspicion, so what was the problem?

The Trust, when they finally showed up, were an interesting bunch. And obviously still a significant threat, even a year and a half after the Committee got busted. What are they up to? How can they be so powerful and so well-organized after the repeated setbacks? Who are they working for, and why? I'm really hoping that this time, this season we will finally get to see this storyline wrapped up in a neat little package.

And then there's Pete's appearance. I don't care what anyone says - if the Pete haters find anything to fault him for in this episode, I will know that they want to hate him. Because this time, he was a nice guy, through and through. No lying, no stalking, no "doormat". No way, no how. I'm sure those who want to are still going to hate him based on what they saw in 'Chimera' alone, but this time he was nothing short of a stand-up guy. Surprisingly, the "stalking" incident was even brought up through his dialogue with Sam (however briefly), which indicates that yes; she knows what he did, and they have obviously worked themselves through that issue and have put it behind them. If Sam has been able to let it go, so should her fans (although I'm sure some won't, just as I'm sure some will come up with more reasons to hate him based on some twisted interpretation of some random line or something in this episode, sooner or later).

Oh, and how did the Trust escape the building? The lighting and the faint sound effects seemed to indicate an off-camera "visual effect". Asgard beaming technology, anyone? To be contiuned...?

Major Fischer
August 21st, 2004, 01:11 PM
Piggy, your useless opinion is always welcome. And to a certain extent I aggree with you. There are people--many who have posted in this thread--who do want to hate Pete. The storyarc has a bad taste in my mouth and it really (now) has very little to do with Pete.

It's the way they write Sam in response to Pete. It's not just the security issues (and yes, it was worse in Secrets, I don't like it in Secrets either), but it's also the ... general dumbing down of Carter to fit the storyline. I like to think of Sam as a very competent character who while brilliant and a national treasure, is first and foremost someone who takes her career seriously. She also seems quite needy to me. But than, I guess if all my boyfriends had died... and she does have a taste for men with odd behaviors that are kind of creepy.

Still. Makes me uncomfortable. And has absolutely nothing to do with Pete, or PDD.

Dani347
August 21st, 2004, 01:35 PM
You can NEVER convince me that an astrophysicist would be happy with a cop -- no matter who he is. A general maybe, an ambassador maybe -- not a cop.


Er, why? Do cops give astrophysicists hives? Is there some chemical reaction that makes their breath bad only to astrophysicists? Do cops turn astrophysicists green and scaly? Is it some implication that a cop can't be as smart as an astrophysicist? Don't see why they can't be.

pettygrew
August 21st, 2004, 01:41 PM
Good grief! This is just a television show.

auralan
August 21st, 2004, 01:44 PM
Er, why? Do cops give astrophysicists hives? Is there some chemical reaction that makes their breath bad only to astrophysicists? Do cops turn astrophysicists green and scaly? Is it some implication that a cop can't be as smart as an astrophysicist? Don't see why they can't be.

I have to agree with this. One of my oldest friends is a cop who holds a doctoral degree in forensic science. He's smarter than most college professors I know. There's no reason the profession alone makes Pete somehow beneath Sam's notice. Cops might have once been strictly blue collar types, but modern police forces contain all kinds of experts in technical and scientific fields. As crimes have gotten technologically advanced, so has law enforcement.

Mio
August 21st, 2004, 01:48 PM
Oh, and how did the Trust escape the building? The lighting and the faint sound effects seemed to indicate an off-camera "visual effect". Asgard beaming technology, anyone? To be contiuned...?
After going back and listening again, It definetly was the asgard transporter sound effect, though the light it threw off was a bit yellow.

Dani347
August 21st, 2004, 01:51 PM
Good grief! This is just a television show.

No!!! :eek: Really? Why, heaven's to Betsy, who'd a thunk?

Mio
August 21st, 2004, 01:52 PM
No!!! :eek: Really? Why, heaven's to Betsy, who'd a thunk?
Blasphemy!

Major Fischer
August 21st, 2004, 01:53 PM
No!!! :eek: Really? Why, heaven's to Betsy, who'd a thunk?

Oh no, but whatever will we tell the children? :eek:

Dani347
August 21st, 2004, 02:28 PM
Oh no, but whatever will we tell the children? :eek:

Forget the children. What am I going to tell my pet symbiote?

Ugly Pig
August 21st, 2004, 02:37 PM
Having now gone back and skimmed the thread, I must say that I am honestly surprised that anyone took offense at Pete's line about him having "stalked" Sam. I took that to mean that he'd told Sam what he'd done and they'd dealt with it. It never even occured to me that it was intended as a stab at the fans, shippers or otherwise.

Anyway... Is anyone else a little saddened that less than a day after the episode aired, the official thread for it is already almost the longest episode thread of the season (except for the season premiere)? I mean, for all the complaints that this episode was like "Melrose Place" or a soap opera, people sure like to discuss it more than what they presumably consider to be "true" SG-1 science-fiction...

(For the record, I personally don't agree. I think it's a great stretch to say that the show has become a soap opera, even if you only base that on this episode.)

Major Fischer
August 21st, 2004, 02:38 PM
Forget the children. What am I going to tell my pet symbiote?

Skreach really loudly, and if his eyes are kind of reddish, I'm sure he'll be fine.

Catysg1
August 21st, 2004, 02:43 PM
And what are those of us who have watched since the beginning and still don't want Sam and Jack together entitled to?



I think TPTB pleased the anti-shipper Sam and Jack or the pro sam /pete this time ..with Affinity ....

....but I don't think they 'll be pleasing further regarding Sam and Pete now ( They did as much as they could with those 2, and the marriage will never happen ...too obvious ....plus sam's doubts))...


Next time an episode is slighlty personnal ..I reckon ..it's to go towards the end of the show which means ....Sam and Jack together ...and I think it's only fair for both anti-shippers Sam and Jack or pro Sam/Pete shippers and Sam and Jack shippers .....


Both side should have their fair shares ...the pro Sam/Pete had it ..now ..it's the end of that ...close chapter ...and then next time ...it should be for Sam and Jack shippers ....which means towards the end of season 8 .


Caty ;)

bravesmom63
August 21st, 2004, 02:45 PM
Hi Everybody! I've been lurking around here for a several months now and this ep. discussion finally brought me out. I've really been enjoying reading the things you folks have to say and I just had to respond.

My hubby and I enjoyed this episode very much. We do agree with the person who said that the wardrobe people should be fired. What in the world was Teal'c wearing in the first scene? My hubby called him "Pimp Daddy". And the white t-shirt that MS wore in the park DID make him look fat, IMO.

It was great to see Teal'c getting a life, so to speak. The poor man has been locked up in that mountain for 7 years. His getting involved in everything bad that happened to other people was SO Teal'c-I thought it was very in character for him to look out for those waeker than himself. The bit with the broad was kind of obvious. Though I do have to admit that during the scene with Daniel in the warehouse, I thought for sure that she was a 'plant' working with the bad guys. Guess I was wrong.

I guess I'm gonna get in hot water my first time here, but I have to say it anyway. I like Pete. I thought Sam should have smacked him in the head to shut him up while they were in the park, but I still like the character. We loved the 'stalker' comment-laughed ours butts off. It was an obvious homage to the fans, especially when I saw that PDL wrote the ep. I liked Sam's soul-searching over this potentially huge change in her life and I think she should have had that discussion with Pete(but I know eps are only 44 or so minutes long). We thought the scene in the lab with Jack meant that if things had been different Charlie would still be alive, he'd still be married to Sara and who knows where he'd be stationed. They would probably never have met. And I think she accepted Pete's proposal because working with him to find the bad guys gave her a chance to 'see him in action' so to speak. How do I say this--she got to see his professional side, got to see that he's very good at what HE does, he's intelligent and dedicated and she realized that maybe she COULD be happy with him. Does that make sense?

Anyway, I guess I've run on at the mouth long enough about this episode. We gave it a 3 out of 4 stars. Watched it twice last night and taped it to watch it again. I'll have to keep an eye out for AT's mom. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season-everythings been pretty interesting so far.

Major Fischer
August 21st, 2004, 02:53 PM
I think TPTB pleased the anti-shipper Sam and Jack or the pro sam /pete this time ..with Affinity ....

Not particularly pleased. But I'm not particularly fond of 'ship' in any form.

Major Fischer
August 21st, 2004, 02:55 PM
Anyway... Is anyone else a little saddened that less than a day after the episode aired, the official thread for it is already almost the longest episode thread of the season (except for the season premiere)?

You aren't the only one, but I think those of us who had read any spoiler information about this episode knew it would be that way. The thread was already longer than the other epsiode threads within a couple of hours of the show's broadcast in the US.

anisea
August 21st, 2004, 02:59 PM
Good grief! This is just a television show.
ok, it may just be a show-- but to many of us it is part of our life, and we like life to run with a certain sense of order. w/o pete

Jace021903
August 21st, 2004, 03:40 PM
I liked the episode. I think that CJ is getting a chance to show that he is a good actor.

I liked Daniel being snarky to the bad guys. I love snarky Daniel.

I adore Pete and Sam together. They sparkle in their scenes together. The actors have great chemistry.

I also liked that the team didn't "win" at the end--the bad guys got what they wanted and poor Teal'c had to move back to the base.

I am a little puzzled about the comments about PdL and his brother. If he had so much power Col. Danning and Urgo would be recurring characters. ;)

So, overall, a good but different episode.

Jace

:)

muffo
August 21st, 2004, 03:48 PM
I have to agree with the negative comments on Affinity. It was a nice idea gone really, really wrong. Teal'c gets his own place--finally. I agree with the comment that the saddest part was that he had to give up his off base quarters. So sad. The thing that was most frustrating is the tease--I'm getting really tired of the cheap tease---you know where we are led in circles and told nothing. We don't know what the message was, why they needed Daniel or anything related to this bunch. This was not a good intro to them if we are to see them again. We the viewer, should be told more than the characters to keep us interested, but we know less than the characters--certainly Daniel knows more than we do. I thought the original concept of the series was done from an intelligent perspective, but that seems to have gone by the wayside. The new motto seems to be "any cheap hook will keep them watching". Frankly I'm beginning to feel like I did when I was seeing Classic Trek, season 3. It was so bad. Stargate has fallen into that same trap: It is lackluster, dull, and totally uninspiring. I can watch any of the episodes in Season One through Five and be exhilaterated even though I've seen them multiple times: but Season Seven and Eight are just not cutting it on this side of the tube. Since this is suppose to be the last season, I'm trying to stay with it, but it is hard. Like a couple of other people in this Thread, I found the stalker comment to be out of place as was the warehouse smooching. Did I mention I dislike the Pete story line? In spades, doubled! Someone tell me Season Seven and Eight are actually set in an Alternate reality adn we missed the episode that set it up! :eek:

tera'ngan
August 21st, 2004, 03:54 PM
Hey, now, no bad-mouthing the DeLuise boys! (Did I spell their name right? LOL :) ) Love all four of those guys, and they are ALL great on screen! I'll admit I'm not Pete's biggest fan, but I certainly don't let that carry over to David - he's cute, a great actor, and I'd love to see more of him, although not as Pete. ;) Michael had me rollin' in "Wormhole Extreme," same for Dom in "Urgo."

Maybe it's an acquired taste? ;)

-tera'ngan

Sicarius
August 21st, 2004, 04:28 PM
I didn't particularly love or hate this episode (wow, people really get worked up over the relationship stuff), but it did leave me wondering when Stargate got so... mundane?

Barring the beam out at the end, there wasn't anything in the whole show that suggested this was science fiction. I've been enjoying Atlantis more of late (and I wasn't even expecting to like that show) if only because they're actually going new and interesting places.

One Earth-based episode once in awhile I wouldn't mind, but it seems like there's been a bunch of them. If it meant spending a good chunk of time with O'Neill (i.e. Zero Hour), I probably wouldn't even notice, but wasn't the whole point of the Earth-based episodes so the new General O'Neill could be more easily involved in the stories? He was barely in the last two or three. I know about his schedule and all that, and that's fine, but if he's hardly going to be in them anyway, why not go back to the science fiction visiting new worlds kind of stuff?

Ho, hum. Maybe next week will be more interesting...

Bucky
August 21st, 2004, 04:55 PM
I confess I haven’t read all the posts, so some of what I say will probably have been covered before.

I didn’t used to like Teal’c episodes because while I love anything with Bra’tac, I just didn’t care about Ry’ac and Dry’ac; however, these last two episodes have been terrific. I liked the way this episode focused on him, and I especially liked the way that Christopher Judge opened the character up but kept the essential qualities that we associate with Teal’c. I love the studied formality of his diction, the way he looks at other characters with full attention, the way he comes off as calm and centered. I thought it was wonderfully ironic that Teal’c would be done in by his own goodness, his sense that the purpose of the warrior is to protect the weak. The bad guys from “The Trust” were especially bad because they used their knowledge of his integrity to set up Teal’c, and then to set up Daniel.

I’m an S/J shipper, so I was less than happy; but I’d read the spoilers and knew what to expect. I think the scene in Sam’s lab is very shippy. No matter how one interprets O’Neill’s “I wouldn’t be here” it still comes off shippy. Whether he’s referring to Charlie or alternate realities or to his interactions with Carter, it’s the fact of the asking and answering that’s important.

As for Sam’s “Yes. Yes. Yes” to Pete’s proposal at the end, I think she looked happy. Not glowingly, exuberantly, in-love kind of happy. But happy that she’d finally made her decision. I know I’m looking at this through shippervision, but to me it looked like Sam spent the espisode debating with herself on whether to settle for Pete. Yes, settle. Yes, I think she does look like she’s having fun with Pete. Yes, I think it’s established that Pete’s crazy about her. But her little diatribe about single people being forced to couple off came before she’d made up her mind. Part of that diatribe was complaining about societal expectations that people find their romantic ideals. The fact that she said that meant to me that she has acknowledged to herself that Pete is NOT her romantic ideal. If she accepts his proposal, she knows she’ll be accepting ‘close, but not quite.’ After the scene with O’Neill in her lab, it’s clear that if she is going to “have a life” Pete is the likeliest candidate. O’Neill is still her commanding officer and neither one of them would violate their integrity just to be together.

By the end of the episode we—and Sam—have watched Teal’c brought down by his attempts to “have a life.” I think that affected her decision to accept Pete’s proposal. I didn’t think she said yes because ‘she’d seen him in action’ as a cop, but because he was THERE. He loves her. He’s available to her. He knows about the Stargate—even if she can’t give him details, she doesn’t have to lie. I think she decided “this guy may not be what I wanted, but I like him a lot—he’s a pretty good deal, so I’ll take what I can get.”

There are more spoilers out there that give me some hope and comfort as a shipper. Meanwhile, I think Sam is learning a lot about herself and what it really means to be in a loving, positive relationship. I don’t think she will stay in it.

But. Great job by Christopher Judge. I really felt bad for Teal’c driving back to live under the mountain.

Bucky

Gategrrl
August 21st, 2004, 04:56 PM
However, TPTB keep throwing the REGS in our faces as an excuse to not get Sam and Jack together but they can allow a butt rub while on duty!!! Sam and Jack can barely touch each other on duty and then only during life and death situations and then only on occasion. I think TPTB went way to far. Ok I can see maybe the kiss but the butt rub went way to far for my taste given all previous rules and REGULATIONS!!!


Pete's not an AF officer, so nonfraternization rules don't apply to him. It was, if anything, in simple bad taste, and insensitive of Carter, to go cooing over her new fiance when her team-mate (remember Daniel, zatted and stunned on the floor?) was still recovering. Carter is acting unprofessionally, and it has nothing to do with AF regulations that apply to Carter and O'Neill.

meimei
August 21st, 2004, 05:06 PM
Er, why? Do cops give astrophysicists hives? Is there some chemical reaction that makes their breath bad only to astrophysicists? Do cops turn astrophysicists green and scaly? Is it some implication that a cop can't be as smart as an astrophysicist? Don't see why they can't be.
I have to agree with you on this one. What you do for a living should have nothing to do with who you end up with in life. It would be more plausible for Sam to have dated another soldier, FBI agent, alien, ambassador... Those are people she is most likely to meet. But, her brother introduced them. So there, they met, they date, they get engaged. (Don't particularly like that result!) But the relationship as a whole between an Astropyhsicist and Cop is not impossible.

brihana25
August 21st, 2004, 05:10 PM
Both side should have their fair shares ...the pro Sam/Pete had it ..now ..it's the end of that ...close chapter ...and then next time ...it should be for Sam and Jack shippers ....which means towards the end of season 8 .

So basically, you're saying that the J/S shippers deserve the end of the series to go "their" way, and the rest of us are entitled to nothing?

There should be no "this week it's this group, next week it's this other group" crap going on here.

Go back to Solitudes. I was happy. I'm going to assume you were happy.

Now think on Affinity. I was happy with the Pete/Sam scenes last night. You weren't.

So because of that, you deserve to be happy with the series finale and I don't?

How does that even make sense?

hrh36
August 21st, 2004, 05:23 PM
I think Sam changed her mind right there at the stakeout because of Pete's reaction to the bad guys disappearing.

He basically said "I guess you're used to this" and "another day at the office, right?" and he moved on. She said yes right after this, 'cause her biggest objection to marriage seemed to be that it wasn't fair to Pete and he wouldn't be able to handle her dangerous and classified job, but he showed by his reaction to the disappearing bad guys that he could take it in stride.

But yeah, the kiss seemed to go on a bit long for the stakeout. One kiss to seal the deal would be fine. But then break it and go back to business. I think that was the director's call to change the way that scene ended.

hrh

hrh36
August 21st, 2004, 05:36 PM
RE: Sam and Pete's in the park discussion.

It did strike me as jarring that they were discussing the program in public, but they didn't actually get into specifics, if I recall, name any names or talk about any operations, did they? I still would have liked Sam to say "K, Pete, we can't go any further with this."

But I don't think they gave out any pertinent info. that anyone would be able to use if they had been listening.

hrh

AlphaBlu
August 21st, 2004, 05:42 PM
I am very annoyed that you have generalised shippers.
Actually, what I said was:


To all Shipp... no, that's incorrect and too general. I'll start again.

To all the insane Shippers...
etc. etc. etc.

I didn't generalise. I specifically stopped myself from saying "To all Shippers" and instead made sure that my post specified which group of shippers I was addressing the comments too; the utterly insane ones who would write hatemail to TPTB in regards to Pete.

BYE

hrh36
August 21st, 2004, 05:43 PM
I found the timing of the "yes" was unprofessional. It should have waited until they were off duty. Then she could have done whatever she wanted.

I think the timing was an impulse decision on Sam's part; she had been agonizing for days over whether her job was fair to Pete and could he handle her job, and his reaction to the disappearing bad buys was to take it in stride.

Right after he does that, she says yes. Bingo. He can handle her job, so, yes.

That's how I took it.

Re: the kiss. Yep, I think a quick kiss was okay, but the director should not have let it go on so long and end the scene that way as if we have no idea how long it went on.

They did move behind the door and the truck so they were shielded from others in the warehouse, so a quick kiss probably wouldn't have been seen and would have been fine with me.

But to keep it going and not even end it before the big pullback and up of the camera was a miscall on the director's part. IMO.

hrh

Bucky
August 21st, 2004, 05:47 PM
But yeah, the kiss seemed to go on a bit long for the stakeout. One kiss to seal the deal would be fine. But then break it and go back to business. I think that was the director's call to change the way that scene ended.

hrh

Yeah. Shipper though I am, I could see a kiss, but a clinch!!! Come ON! I agree that it was probably the director's call. I figure they had the kiss/clinch there to save time, ie they didn't have to set up yet another scene for the proposal. But it was a bad decision to have them making out when they were both effectively on duty. It made them both look irresponsible.

Bucky

AlphaBlu
August 21st, 2004, 05:57 PM
Another thing I find really amusing about all the cries of "OMFGBBQ! This is like Melrose Place" is that if Sam had said no to Pete and thrown herself into the arms of Jack I'm damn sure that all the crazy shippers (not the moderate ones) would say something along the lines of "A good team ep! Yeah! Definately!".

Such an amazingly stupid double standard...

BYE

gange57
August 21st, 2004, 06:33 PM
I didn't care for this episode at all. Whatever happened to the Stargate? Y'know, it is that big circular thing that spins with the chevrons? Does it still exist? IMHO, it is a bad move to air consecutive episodes where the crew isn't going off-world. Even though I'd rather see SG-1 actually use the Stargate (what a novel concept), Earth-based episodes are bearable as long as they are spread out throughout the season; not in consecutive weeks. Additionally, I didn't get the feeling that I was actually watching Stargate SG-1. I know I saw Teal'c, Carter, O'neill and Danny boy, but I got the feeling I was watching Stargate: CSI or Stargate 90210. What happened to the show that I love? I knew the show was in trouble from the opening scene. What is with the cliché punks? Or the cliché nosy neighbor? Where do they find these people? The only redeeming factor for this episode was the Trust and the last five minutes of the show. On the brightside, at least I know from next week's preview that I will see the Stargate. :)

anisea
August 21st, 2004, 07:00 PM
What is TPTB? i am lost on that, thanks!

Major Fischer
August 21st, 2004, 07:01 PM
What is TPTB? i am lost on that, thanks!

The Powers That Be.

prion
August 21st, 2004, 07:43 PM
[QUOTE=gange57What happened to the show that I love? I knew the show was in trouble from the opening scene. What is with the cliché punks? Or the cliché nosy neighbor? [/QUOTE]

Wait, you mean the old lady who was the nosey neighbor holding her cat (or small dog, if they go for the cliche small dog) who just HAPPENED to have her door open just as Teal'c made that thread of (insert cliche) that if the hackneyed abusive boyfriend ever harm a hair on the pretty (cliche) neighbor's hair he will (cliche) kill him?

No, I saw no cliches at all.

Ahem, cough cough. :D

prion
August 21st, 2004, 07:46 PM
While we're here discusisng this episode, does anybody else wonder why Teal'c has absolutely not a single scar on his tummy where he used to have a big X for the symbiote pouch??? Mabye I fell asleep while they explained that.

Jaffa_Jihad
August 21st, 2004, 07:59 PM
Good grief! This is just a television show.

ya, But it's the best God**** television show on TV

NightGloom
August 21st, 2004, 08:10 PM
While we're here discusisng this episode, does anybody else wonder why Teal'c has absolutely not a single scar on his tummy where he used to have a big X for the symbiote pouch??? Mabye I fell asleep while they explained that.

I wondered that too, did they ever explain it? I mighta been in the kitchen switching my Stargate SG-1 pie for my Atlantis turkey sandwich or I nodded off for a little bit.

Summerfield
August 21st, 2004, 08:23 PM
I think the one thing I cannot forgive this episode for is the way they handled Teal'c's life. The Colonel from the "Office of Special Invesigations" just grated.

OSI: Being Snity When Local Cops Don't Care.
OSI: Die Neighborhood Watch!
OSI: He's a Community Activist! Arrest Him Now, Before It's Too Late!

The sad thing is, if he had been a Mozambique national working for a university, INS probably would have deported him by now. TV INS probably would have even used the Black-Clad Comandos of Pissing Off Local Law Enforcement.

And in the end, he has to move back into the Mountain because he got blackmailed? No, because Daniel got blackmailed?

Shouldn't we move Daniel into the mountain then? How about Sam; she has a fiance, so she can be blackmailed now too.

Madeleine
August 21st, 2004, 09:23 PM
I didn't generalise. I specifically stopped myself from saying "To all Shippers" and instead made sure that my post specified which group of shippers I was addressing the comments too; the utterly insane ones who would write hatemail to TPTB in regards to Pete.

Replying in public rather than by PM cos you seem to have missed the point of other PMs sent by another Mod:

It's not really pertinent that you specified that your gloating was aimed only at the looney / hate-mail writer faction, if such exists. EVERYONE in this thread had to read it. Including all our nice, balanced, polite shippers who post lots here. And it was hurtful to them. Heck, it was upsetting to me and goodness knows I'm not a shipper.

If you need to gloat, fine, do it privately. You do NOT need to rub it into people's faces. Cos it gets in everyone's faces, not just the few you specify.

If you want to discuss the episode, do. Say why you liked it. But if one of the reasons you liked it was that it made others unhappy, I don't think anyone, shipper or non-shipper, really wants to know that.

No more justification of your previous posts please. And if you have any problems with anything I've said here, take it up with me or another mod by PM. Thanks.

Madeleine W
Moderator

Vesian
August 21st, 2004, 10:04 PM
It seems that the trend of this thread centers around how much people hate this episode....and I agree. Several reasons, really:

1. I am getting SICK and TIRED of the ****ing NID. Every single episode that revolves around this organization just puts me to sleep and makes me want to destroy my TV. What's worse, is that TPTB keep coming up with new reasons to put these idiots BACK into the show, with different names, different people, etc.. It's just really getting annoying. Actually, that's half true. I can tolerate Mayborne. Anyone else, however, annoys the crap outta me.

2. Stalker Pete - Yep, marriage, frusterating. Anyone else remember watching "Stargate - The Lowdown" and hearing Amanda's quote about how she thought people didn't like her with Pete because they didn't want her character to evolve? It's actually not that at all. We want to see her feminine character. We want her to evolve. We simply want her to evolve to Jack and not pete. Sheesh.

3. Girl Next Door - WTF happened with her? She murders her boyfriend, and all of a sudden, at the end of the episode, is still out of jail and walking in the neighborhood? Um.....ya....and what the heck is the deal with Teal'c sleeping with her? Does he have no concept of morality in terms of woman? I thought he was interested in Ishta...

Dani347
August 21st, 2004, 10:30 PM
We simply want her to evolve to Jack and not pete. Sheesh.



Some, SOME just some want that.

Vesian
August 21st, 2004, 10:50 PM
Some, SOME just some want that.


Dam you and your semantics ;p

Mio
August 21st, 2004, 11:07 PM
1. I am getting SICK and TIRED of the ****ing NID. Every single episode that revolves around this organization just puts me to sleep and makes me want to destroy my TV. What's worse, is that TPTB keep coming up with new reasons to put these idiots BACK into the show, with different names, different people, etc.. It's just really getting annoying. Actually, that's half true. I can tolerate Mayborne. Anyone else, however, annoys the crap outta me.
It was the Trust, not the NID. Allthough they are very NID-esque, they are more evil than the NID, because at least the NID wanted to protect earth. These guys just want to make a buck.

Vesian
August 21st, 2004, 11:17 PM
It was the Trust, not the NID. Allthough they are very NID-esque, they are more evil than the NID, because at least the NID wanted to protect earth. These guys just want to make a buck.

Daneil made several references throughout the episode to how the rogue NID were now calling themselves "The Trust," which insinuates that they are indeed the same organization. We have not been dealing with the NID for the past 8 years, we have been dealing with a rogue element. So, when I refer to the "NID", I am referring to the annoying, splinter in your hand organization that TPTB seem to rely on as filler for episodes, which is becoming increasingly overused.

raeble
August 21st, 2004, 11:35 PM
2. Stalker Pete - Yep, marriage, frusterating. Anyone else remember watching "Stargate - The Lowdown" and hearing Amanda's quote about how she thought people didn't like her with Pete because they didn't want her character to evolve? It's actually not that at all. We want to see her feminine character. We want her to evolve. We simply want her to evolve to Jack and not pete. Sheesh.

I'm not picky about who she evolves with, really she can evolve with Agent Barratt if she likes but at the moment she doesn't seem to be evolving forward, she seems to be evolving backwards. My problem with Pete is that Carter has changed into this desperate little woman whose ovaries are screaming and is afraid that she's never going to find a man, so she has to settle for the first stalker that crosses her path. Barratt on the other hand, already knew about the stargate program so that wasn't an issue and he could be easily integrated into storylines instead of having him tacked on or turning the program into Stargate:CSI. Was there even any sci-fi this episode besides the ringing up of the bad guys?

AlphaBlu
August 22nd, 2004, 03:17 AM
I personally don't care for Pete. I'm a Sam/Barret shipper all the way. Oh, and in other news:


...so she has to settle for the first stalker that crosses her path...Comments like that just crack me up. What's next, a whole page devoted to how he's a traitor to his country... no wait that was Jonas wasn't it. LOL!

I'm sorry this is just too funny. I stand by my comment - if Sam had shunned Pete and ran into Jack's arms this would've been a "Team Ep", but because she did the opposite it's "not Stargate" and "like Melrose Place". Pah-thetic.

BYE

raeble
August 22nd, 2004, 07:33 AM
Just because I called him a stalker flipantly doesn't mean I'm going to waste my time writing a page long essay of character analysis. :rolleyes:

I don't agree with your statement, this relationship business is being given too much prominence. If she ran back to Jack I wouldn't have felt it was a team episode. It wasn't a team episode, it was Stargate: CSI with a bit of Soap Opera on the side. There has to be a way to give the female lead a fiancee without making her seem like a desperate person and detracting from the overall sci-fi-ness. If it was one of the guys with the girlfriend/fiancee would they have made him seem desperate, behave unprofessionally and act like some character out of Days of Our Lives? Where was the sci-fi in this episode? They do sci-fi well, they shouldn't attempt to venture into the world of Soap Opera. There are plenty of other people that have been at it longer and do it better than them.

Teal'c
August 22nd, 2004, 07:52 AM
To add my two cents to the Sam/Jack conversation. Sam's line could be thought of as shippy (hell, I thought it was shippy at first and started panicing :P) but I can't think of anyway Jack's response was to a shippy question, it was definately about Jack's family and if he'd be on SG-1 if he was still with them.

Liv
August 22nd, 2004, 08:00 AM
Okay, have now seen Affinity and after stumbling through all these threads my eyes are a bit sore, so forgive me if I happen to repeat what may have already been said.

My positive reactions to this episode:

- I liked Daniel's little visit at Teal'c:s place (oh, allright, I liked all of Daniels scenes) and the discovery of the (mostly) dead plant. "I don't suppose you've tried talking to it?" Cute.

- I also liked seeing Teal'c away from the base, interacting with other people for a change. Even though he did draw attention to himself, I liked his reasons for doing so.

The not-so-positive reactions:

- The trite storyline with 'Attractive female neighbour with weird, abusive boyfriend (along with old lady and cat on arm with nothing else to do then look out the door with suspicious gaze) gets herself into trouble."

- I would also have to be in agreement with those of you who commented on the 'Karate Kid'-type scenes and those dudes in the opener with the car. Pretty silly stuff.

The give-it-a-rest-already reaction:

- Sam/Pete. This is so frustrating to me. It's just... I don't care. Let her have a boyfriend. Let her get engaged. Just don't show it to me. It takes away from those things that I really want to see, like the team interacting together, for instance.

~

I am really, *really* ready for some off-world action right about now. Come on, let's go places! Let's explore... stuff. Let's use that big, old circle which I believe is called a Stargate. Please.

Dani347
August 22nd, 2004, 08:09 AM
I am really, *really* ready for some off-world action right about now. Come on, let's go places! Let's explore... stuff. Let's use that big, old circle which I believe is called a Stargate. Please.

What's a Stargate?

sshspooky
August 22nd, 2004, 09:31 AM
I'm not picky about who she evolves with, really she can evolve with Agent Barratt if she likes but at the moment she doesn't seem to be evolving forward, she seems to be evolving backwards. My problem with Pete is that Carter has changed into this desperate little woman whose ovaries are screaming and is afraid that she's never going to find a man, so she has to settle for the first stalker that crosses her path.

Being in the UK i can't comment on the episode itself just yet, but on this comment, what you see as evolving backwards i see as making sense. Carter is getting older, and she has just been through terrible relationship after terrible relationship. We've seen two realities where she was happy with a man, AR with Jack, and 2010 with Joe. In our reality, she cannot be with Jack as they are both in the military, and we assume that Joe is still a prisoner of the Aschen. So those who would give her a perfect relationship are unavailable. She still has feelings for Jack but is moving along with a guy who is wanting her. Look at 2010 and realise that carter said she was hoping to have had her second child by that time. That is still the same Carter, so deciding to go with a man who loves her and who will be there for her, and able to provide for her makes a lot of sense. At least, it does to me.