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startrekker
June 5th, 2006, 12:10 PM
Why do they noit use the MP5 in Atlantis? After seeing that they need to put an entire magazine of those little 5.56 mm rounds in a wraith to kill him. The 92 FS Beretta with its 9 mm rounds seems to stop a wraith fairly quickly (See episodes Aurora and the Siege Part I.) The MP5 and the UMP and other SMGs that fire the larger rounds are absent form Atlantis, but are still in use on Earth's SG teams occasionally.

Why don't they use anything bigger than a tiny 5.56 mm P90?

IcyNeko
June 5th, 2006, 12:21 PM
Oh I don't know... maybe because p90's are standard personal defense weapons that NATO uses? We've seen SG-1 start using G36's and MP7's in a few short episodes.

And it doesn't take an entire clip. It takes a burst or two. SG teams tend to hold it down a bit more probably out of panic.

Jimbo-DR
June 5th, 2006, 12:24 PM
MP5's FIRE a 9MM round, which makes them weaker.
Anyway, the pistol thing sounds pretty inconsistent, but its probably because pistol rounds are designed to enter the body and then "explode" sending little bits of metal everywhere to injure the enemy, where rifle rounds are designed to pass directly through things. Hollowpoints and Soft tips.

immhotep
June 5th, 2006, 02:03 PM
I think the Nato thing is an interesting issue, do you think that the AE was commissioned or authorised by NATO??

Maf.e.u
June 5th, 2006, 02:05 PM
I think the Nato thing is an interesting issue, do you think that the AE was commissioned or authorised by NATO??
No there to many members.

BC - 303
June 5th, 2006, 03:10 PM
theres also the whole point that if the wraith hasnt feed for a while, hes alot weeker.

Harekin
June 5th, 2006, 03:36 PM
Theres no MP5's because they are pathetic girly weapons, they suck...period. P90 vs MP5...lol NO competition.

Artha O'neill
June 5th, 2006, 03:46 PM
Theres no MP5's because they are pathetic girly weapons, they suck...period. P90 vs MP5...lol NO competition.
Now tells us, how you feel mate and dont be shy to share your feelings on the topic:)

Major Tyler
June 5th, 2006, 03:54 PM
Be careful with your adjectives, please. :)

I like the MP-5, but I like the P90 better. My question is, why do SG and ATL teams carry Berettas rather than the FN 5-7 pistol? The 5-7 takes the same ammo as the P90, so it would make sense to carry it. Remember in "The Defiant One" where Sheppard's P90 was damaged and he ran out of 9mm rounds? If his sidearm was a 5-7 he could have used the bullets from his P90 and any other magazines he had yet to use.

Makes sense to me...
I think the Nato thing is an interesting issue, do you think that the AE was commissioned or authorised by NATO??If you ask me, I think the Stargate Program should be under NATO auspices. It's the most successful and longest-lasting military alliance in history, and the Americans have a great deal of influence so I doubt they'd feel too threatened by it.

Harekin
June 5th, 2006, 03:59 PM
I changed my adjectives.

Hatcheter
June 6th, 2006, 06:11 AM
Makes sense to me...If you ask me, I think the Stargate Program should be under NATO auspices. It's the most successful and longest-lasting military alliance in history, and the Americans have a great deal of influence so I doubt they'd feel too threatened by it.

I think the Pegasus Galaxy is a little to far away to fall under the auspices of the North Atlantis Treaty Organization, but there certainly could be a new, US-led military alliance created for the Stargate program. You know, when the US military finally feels it needs outside help for the tasks that need performed. Thus far, it's not exactly that huge an operation yet. But, that's off topic for this thread.


Why do they noit use the MP5 in Atlantis? After seeing that they need to put an entire magazine of those little 5.56 mm rounds in a wraith to kill him. The 92 FS Beretta with its 9 mm rounds seems to stop a wraith fairly quickly (See episodes Aurora and the Siege Part I.) The MP5 and the UMP and other SMGs that fire the larger rounds are absent form Atlantis, but are still in use on Earth's SG teams occasionally.

Why don't they use anything bigger than a tiny 5.56 mm P90?First, a technical correction: the P90 fires a proprietary 5.7 x 28 mm round. Not the 5.56 NATO round used in the M16, M4, and a host of other weapons.

In 'The Seige, Part I' Sheppard emptied his entire magazine, reloaded, and emptied it again before the Wraith died. In Part III, Colonel Everett emptied his entire pistol magazine into a Wraith's belly, to no effect.

It's a cliche, but it's also true: size isn't everything. The 5.7mm round was designed for penetrating body armor and then dealing damage to the target without over penetrating.

The P90 itself can be considered a successor to the MP5. It is said by its proponents to have lower recoil, better accuracy, increased stopping power, and much better ergonomics than the older MP5s. As one article I put it, the P90 is the next evolution of the submachine gun.

startrekker
June 6th, 2006, 09:11 AM
So maybe they should use the XM-29 with its 20 mm High Energy Air Burst (HEAB) Rounds. Wouldn't that stop the wraith quite nicely.

Hatcheter
June 6th, 2006, 10:18 AM
So maybe they should use the XM-29 with its 20 mm High Energy Air Burst (HEAB) Rounds. Wouldn't that stop the wraith quite nicely.

The XM-29 has yet to be realized as a functional weapon. The P90 is, and was around years before it appeared on SG-1. Likewise, the XM-8 program was put on hold last fall, otherwise it might have been a contender to get used in the show. I'm hoping that the next regular weapon used in the show (probably in Atlantis' later seasons) will be the FN SCAR.

Besides, there's not a lot of wisdom in flinging high explosive fragmentation warheads around in the close quarters action that Stargate teams usually find themselves in.

rarocks24
June 6th, 2006, 10:30 AM
Eh....the 9mm actually isn't that good (lots of soldiers are going back to the Colt 1911 automatic pistol cuz of the round). I'd prefer a 45 anyday. The force alone would knock anyone, including a Wraith, off it's feet. The only issue is the 45 is a difficult gun to shoot compared to 9mm and 22mm pistols.

Damar
June 6th, 2006, 11:53 AM
I miss the Mp5 in Stargate, they're a all-time favourite weapon of mine.


Anyways, they should start using the Thompson M1A1 who fires .45 ACP rounds.

And of course, SG teams blasting away Wraith with Tommyguns is always fun.

IcyNeko
June 6th, 2006, 12:04 PM
I'd think the next evolution would be the G36 series weapons.

Jimbo-DR
June 6th, 2006, 12:10 PM
Yes I agree with Icy, when your fighting the kind of things that Atlantis has to deal with, the bigger the round the better. Hitting them with a 7.62 would do considerably more than the 5.7 28 mm does from the P90.

freyr's mother
June 6th, 2006, 12:28 PM
Why do they noit use the MP5 in Atlantis? After seeing that they need to put an entire magazine of those little 5.56 mm rounds in a wraith to kill him. The 92 FS Beretta with its 9 mm rounds seems to stop a wraith fairly quickly (See episodes Aurora and the Siege Part I.) The MP5 and the UMP and other SMGs that fire the larger rounds are absent form Atlantis, but are still in use on Earth's SG teams occasionally.

Why don't they use anything bigger than a tiny 5.56 mm P90?

They're 5.7 x 28mm rounds.

They don't use the MP-5 for 2 reasons.

1.) P-90 has a 50 round clip as opposed to a 30 round clip.
2.) The P-90's 5.7 x 28mm rounds are armor piercing.



I like the MP-5, but I like the P90 better. My question is, why do SG and ATL teams carry Berettas rather than the FN 5-7 pistol? The 5-7 takes the same ammo as the P90, so it would make sense to carry it. Remember in "The Defiant One" where Sheppard's P90 was damaged and he ran out of 9mm rounds? If his sidearm was a 5-7 he could have used the bullets from his P90 and any other magazines he had yet to use.

Makes sense to me...


Okay here's the deal with the P-90 rounds in the pistol. The P-90 mags cannot be unloaded by hand. The bullets are put in by a machine. I saw it on some episode of the history channel.


Eh....the 9mm actually isn't that good (lots of soldiers are going back to the Colt 1911 automatic pistol cuz of the round). I'd prefer a 45 anyday.
Have fun reloading:)



Anyways, they should start using the Thompson M1A1 who fires .45 ACP rounds.

They do need to start using them. They're pretty durable and can spit out a lot of bullets. They're especially useful in CQB situations.

Major Tyler
June 6th, 2006, 05:29 PM
Okay here's the deal with the P-90 rounds in the pistol. The P-90 mags cannot be unloaded by hand. The bullets are put in by a machine. I saw it on some episode of the history channel.Hmmm...well, I'm sure SG and ATL teams could be equipped with a tool to disassemble the P90 mags...there's gotta be a way. Heck, I'm sure you could break one open if you were determined enough.

freyr's mother
June 6th, 2006, 05:31 PM
Hmmm...well, I'm sure SG and ATL teams could be equipped with a tool to disassemble the P90 mags...there's gotta be a way. Heck, I'm sure you could break one open if you were determined enough.
Yeah, if time was not of the essence. I'm sure you could bang it against a rock or something.

Major Tyler
June 6th, 2006, 05:46 PM
Yeah, if time was not of the essence. I'm sure you could bang it against a rock or something.Better than having a bunch of bullets and a gun that won't fire them. :S

freyr's mother
June 6th, 2006, 05:48 PM
Better than having a bunch of bullets and a gun that won't fire them. :S
True.

Avenger
June 6th, 2006, 09:28 PM
Theres no MP5's because they are pathetic girly weapons, they suck...period. P90 vs MP5...lol NO competition.

That's hardly the case. The MP5 is still in wide use by special forces units around the world. They are extremely accurate at close range, are silent when a supressor is used, and have next to no recoil. When it comes to CQC, it's probably the best weapon availible.

BrokenChevron
October 6th, 2007, 04:03 PM
MP5 fans rejoice! Season 3 episode "Phantoms" has a one Major Leonard equiped with the MP5, which he uses until the mag is empty, and then discards. But here is a thought for those out there who prefer this weapon. What exactly do you think the base weapon for the Genii SMGs is, under all that deco? MP5, model k.

MacDevil
October 7th, 2007, 02:37 PM
I think that it has been stated in several episode commentaries of SG-1 that the reason they switched from MP-5s to P90s is because of the way the P90 ejects its shell casings. The MP-5 ejects its casings to the side, increasing the likelihood of an actor getting hit with a hot casing. The P90 ejects its shell casings straight down, so the odds of someone getting hit with one is much smaller. That is why you still see the MP-5 being carried by background people, but you rarely see it fired on screen anymore. That being said, the MP-5 is seen and used in Phantoms.

I also have another question about the P90s. Has anyone else noticed that from time to time, the team now carries a version of the P90 without the built in scope on the top? Instead it has a mounting rail for an accessory on the top. The type of P90 being used will sometimes randomly change while the team is offworld (Phantoms is a good example of this, Shep shows up on the planet with one without a scope and then later has one with a scope). The ones without scopes seem to be being used more and more, which seems odd since I feel like it would make the P90 harder to aim. The only time we've seen this version of the P90 with a 3rd party scope attached is in Seige Pt 2. All of the P90s carried by the reinforcements from Earth are the versions without at built-in scope. They instead have larger scopes attached. Do they not make the old ones with the built in scope anymore?

BrokenChevron
December 4th, 2007, 03:53 AM
However, in the P-90's defense, while the rounds may be smaller, they are as a standard, armor-piercing, which means that if they have a flaw, it is that they go all the way through the Wraith, whereas 9mm rounds would just bury themselves. As for accuracy, you have to realize that the p-90 loads the ammo from the rear, whic means that the actual gun's barrel is the length of the gun. Suppressors can also be attached to it, see episode "Irresponsible". This means that it is a highly accurate weapon, granted, a little on the loud side. The primary advantage though, the main reason it is so widely used, is it's downward shell ejection.

Rudy Pena
December 27th, 2007, 09:28 PM
How about all Atlantis military personnal each carry a M249? Its not that heavy(really its not), it has a 200 round magazine(or you can put a magazine from a M16 in the side) and the rounds are the same as a M16 and I think a M4.

[SGC_Replic┼tors]
January 10th, 2008, 08:26 PM
quick question

I thought the p90 uses a bigger round the 5.7, i been reading why didnt shep carry the 5-7 around so he could use the same bullets as the p90....but some say they use the standard 5.56.

which one is it?

Dutch_Razor
January 11th, 2008, 02:34 AM
How about all Atlantis military personnal each carry a M249? Its not that heavy(really its not), it has a 200 round magazine(or you can put a magazine from a M16 in the side) and the rounds are the same as a M16 and I think a M4.

It's not really accurate, plus it weighs 10kg (without extra ammo) loaded, the P90 only weighs 3 kg (loaded) ;)

Vampyr
January 11th, 2008, 12:09 PM
I also have another question about the P90s. Has anyone else noticed that from time to time, the team now carries a version of the P90 without the built in scope on the top? Instead it has a mounting rail for an accessory on the top. The type of P90 being used will sometimes randomly change while the team is offworld (Phantoms is a good example of this, Shep shows up on the planet with one without a scope and then later has one with a scope). The ones without scopes seem to be being used more and more, which seems odd since I feel like it would make the P90 harder to aim. The only time we've seen this version of the P90 with a 3rd party scope attached is in Seige Pt 2. All of the P90s carried by the reinforcements from Earth are the versions without at built-in scope. They instead have larger scopes attached. Do they not make the old ones with the built in scope anymore?

Yes, I've noticed that as well. You're seeing the P-90 T or TR, can't recall which at the moment, but basically it swaps the scope for a Pictanny Tactical or Triple Rail for putting on new scopes with zoom or other features. The still make the regular P-90, but for whatever reason TPTB sometimes use the P-90 T(R).