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McSwift
May 17th, 2006, 05:23 PM
Well, with the lack of Stargate SG1 / Atlantis to watch, I've been watching alot of other SCI-FI, ie: BSG, Star Trek, etc...

While watching an episode with the Borg in it, I realized this....
"Will the Ashurans be similar to the Borg?"

Think about it,

The Borg:
- Cybernetic Race Assemelating any technology into their own to perfect themselves.

- Extremely powerful and dominant however will not bother with tech lower than their standard.

- Way smarter and have better knowledge of technology

- Extremely powerful ships

The Ashurans / Replicators:
- A race first started as nano-technology combined into blocks, eventually becoming almost human. As we seen from the replicators, they also assimilate information by the "hand" and also take other races tech into their own.

- In an episode where SG1 activates the Time-Dilation device, a Replicator ship scans the prometheus, however doesn't attack them because the technology is far below them.

- Way smarter than humans, have better understanding of technology

- They control Atlantis class city ships.... powerful in their own right.


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Personally while looking at the comparisons, I'm starting to change my view on this new season. I thought it might be the replicators all over again, but it seems that Atlantis may become better with an introduction of a race far superior than the Replicators.

The replicators was just the tip of the iceberg.... its going to get bad!

travis
May 17th, 2006, 07:26 PM
Mmm... personally I don't think they are the same. There might be traits that are similar but all in all they are different, in terms of the replicators.

The evolved/human replicator are toally different as they are individuals and have emotion, who are out to concor the universe/world, but then all evil villans usally are.

The Asuran are going to be interesting as little are known so far. I'm very interested to see how it plays out, especially the one that whats to do good and follow the path of their creator the ancients to ascend (very pinnochio(sp) concept)

Mister Oragahn
May 18th, 2006, 03:49 AM
Teh Asureayans are not BOrg and not REplcators !!1!1!1!11!1!

They may get Boring and Repetitive though, but we'll see.

Lord Zedd
May 18th, 2006, 03:54 AM
I hope they won't be anything like the Replicators or the Borg ! I think the writters do not wish to create something simular to the Replicators in SG.1 I am however curious what would happen when the Ashurans fight the Wraith :)

nemisis
May 18th, 2006, 04:46 AM
I hope they won't be anything like the Replicators or the Borg ! I think the writters do not wish to create something simular to the Replicators in SG.1 I am however curious what would happen when the Ashurans fight the Wraith :)


there going to because they have a plan to wipe them completly out!!.yah

Chutzpah
May 18th, 2006, 09:42 PM
there going to because they have a plan to wipe them completly out!!.yah

That's every bad guys plan, the reasons why the choose to do it is what makes them different.

Whether they are intentionally trying to be similar to the Borg or not, there are only so many motives for destruction robots can have.

The Ori
May 19th, 2006, 07:55 AM
I think that the Asurans will be a more intelligent, powerful and emotional form of the Human form replicators e.g. Fifth and Replicarter.

Alright!! Oh!!

Mister Oragahn
May 19th, 2006, 04:24 PM
I hope so. I actually hope we'll see a form that is actually peaceful, and has built its own homeworld.
Still dreaming of a massive beautiful worldship, or a ringworld, or even a dyson sphere. Damn, let's be impressive! We've already had plenty of Atlantis copycats.

Prior_of_the_Ori
May 20th, 2006, 07:28 AM
I hope so. I actually hope we'll see a form that is actually peaceful, and has built its own homeworld.
Still dreaming of a massive beautiful worldship, or a ringworld, or even a dyson sphere. Damn, let's be impressive! We've already had plenty of Atlantis copycats.

At first i don't think we will see anything completely new from them. At first...though later who knows. Personally though I don't think they can make anything huge like dyson spheres etc but if there are any they would be from the Lanteans, any new construction might get noticed by the Wraith who might attack. But who knows at this point, hopefully s3 has some great stuff in it.

Also on topic wise, McSwift i think you are merging the Replicators and Asurans too much because they are completely different. The replicators originally were kind of borgish but only barely. The Asurans though are completely different, these guys have emotions and seem far more developed. If the replicators had a hive mind then the Asurans seem to be independant.

npattis
May 20th, 2006, 10:16 AM
there going to because they have a plan to wipe them completly out!!.yah


I wouldn't be surprised with the Ancients gone, the Ausurans don't bother the Wraith and vice versa. The Wraith can't feed off them so they probably don't meddle in each other's affairs.

The Ori
May 20th, 2006, 01:34 PM
Hopefully the Asurans wipe the Warith out and so the Asurans will Die.

AtlantisForever
May 22nd, 2006, 12:23 AM
Well, with the lack of Stargate SG1 / Atlantis to watch, I've been watching alot of other SCI-FI, ie: BSG, Star Trek, etc...

While watching an episode with the Borg in it, I realized this....
"Will the Ashurans be similar to the Borg?"

Think about it,

The Borg:
- Cybernetic Race Assemelating any technology into their own to perfect themselves.

- Extremely powerful and dominant however will not bother with tech lower than their standard.

- Way smarter and have better knowledge of technology

- Extremely powerful ships

The Ashurans / Replicators:
- A race first started as nano-technology combined into blocks, eventually becoming almost human. As we seen from the replicators, they also assimilate information by the "hand" and also take other races tech into their own.

- In an episode where SG1 activates the Time-Dilation device, a Replicator ship scans the prometheus, however doesn't attack them because the technology is far below them.

- Way smarter than humans, have better understanding of technology

- They control Atlantis class city ships.... powerful in their own right.


---------

Personally while looking at the comparisons, I'm starting to change my view on this new season. I thought it might be the replicators all over again, but it seems that Atlantis may become better with an introduction of a race far superior than the Replicators.

The replicators was just the tip of the iceberg.... its going to get bad!
lol no way go back n watch your Startreck old man :P

mindfire
May 23rd, 2006, 09:06 AM
I think the only similarities they'll have in commen is there ability to adapt to there surroundings.

GreyFox
May 23rd, 2006, 11:34 AM
more like replicators and borg

F302pilot777
May 25th, 2006, 11:24 AM
i think there more like a moveing target

Foo
May 25th, 2006, 11:38 AM
Just a note - I don't think the Asurans care about the wraith in the slightest. In fact, from the sounds of things they actively wish to destroy everything to do with the ancients, in which case they may look on the wraith with favour. (Obviously the Wraith don't affect them, as they aren't a natural life form.)

I guess the reason they claim to have a plan to get rid of the wraith is to keep the humans happy for a while.

Mister Oragahn
May 27th, 2006, 05:15 PM
We'll see how the writers handle a serious topic such as machines trying to reach ascension.

I'm particularily eager to see if the writers will say that machines can ascend as well.

Will the writers handle the machine/human relation as well and seriously as in Battlestar Galactica and Total Recall 2070 for example?

Mattathias2.0
May 28th, 2006, 06:01 PM
First of all, the Asurans are more powerful than the original Replicators and Trek's Borg due to having their own city ship.

Second of all, the Asurans or atleast a sect of them, desire to ascend which is quite an interesting idea, given they are just composed of nanites so all in all I see them as not only more powerful than the Replicators with easy-access Ancient Tech at their hands, but O'Neill's and Weir's thoughts/memories, and a sense of depth to their character that transcends the good/evil we usually encounter in the Stargate Universe.

Mattathias

mindfire
May 29th, 2006, 03:24 PM
First of all, the Asurans are more powerful than the original Replicators and Trek's Borg due to having their own city ship.

Second of all, the Asurans or atleast a sect of them, desire to ascend which is quite an interesting idea, given they are just composed of nanites so all in all I see them as not only more powerful than the Replicators with easy-access Ancient Tech at their hands, but O'Neill's and Weir's thoughts/memories, and a sense of depth to their character that transcends the good/evil we usually encounter in the Stargate Universe.

Mattathias



True

With having a city ship and ancient tech, then wanting to ascend
comparing the Asurans with the Replicators would be like comparing us with the Ancients, I would think.

Harekin
May 30th, 2006, 02:49 PM
True

With having a city ship and ancient tech, then wanting to ascend
comparing the Asurans with the Replicators would be like comparing us with the Ancients, I would think.
We're the second evolution of the Ancients...it would be quite ok to compare us to them! Janus even referred to us being "his kind" in Before I Sleep.

Artha O'neill
May 30th, 2006, 04:41 PM
Well, with the lack of Stargate SG1 / Atlantis to watch, I've been watching alot of other SCI-FI, ie: BSG, Star Trek, etc...

While watching an episode with the Borg in it, I realized this....
"Will the Ashurans be similar to the Borg?"

Think about it,

The Borg:
- Cybernetic Race Assemelating any technology into their own to perfect themselves.

- Extremely powerful and dominant however will not bother with tech lower than their standard.

- Way smarter and have better knowledge of technology

- Extremely powerful ships

The Ashurans / Replicators:
- A race first started as nano-technology combined into blocks, eventually becoming almost human. As we seen from the replicators, they also assimilate information by the "hand" and also take other races tech into their own.

- In an episode where SG1 activates the Time-Dilation device, a Replicator ship scans the prometheus, however doesn't attack them because the technology is far below them.

- Way smarter than humans, have better understanding of technology

- They control Atlantis class city ships.... powerful in their own right.


---------

Personally while looking at the comparisons, I'm starting to change my view on this new season. I thought it might be the replicators all over again, but it seems that Atlantis may become better with an introduction of a race far superior than the Replicators.

The replicators was just the tip of the iceberg.... its going to get bad!
I reckon so. but more tolerable to look at. Hopefully.

Merlin's_Legacy
June 3rd, 2006, 04:00 PM
The Asurans and Replicators are obviously similar if not identical technology. My personal theory is that Reese was built by an Ancient after the return to Earth.

As for the Asurans and the Wraith, we know from Spoilers that the Asurans have a plan to wipe the race out. This makes complete sense if we keep in mind where the Asurans came from: A nano-tech weapon designed and programmed to be agressive and destroy the Wraith. In a sense they would be following their "genetic imperative".

The group that wants to ascend are seeking a change to that imperative to remove the mandatory agressiveness.

Harekin
June 3rd, 2006, 04:09 PM
No they are not that similar. Reese was a robot, not made of nano-machines. The Asurans are a thousand times more complicated. And why would the Ancients build more of the machines that declared war on them?!

Artha O'neill
June 3rd, 2006, 04:29 PM
No they are not that similar. Reese was a robot, not made of nano-machines. The Asurans are a thousand times more complicated. And why would the Ancients build more of the machines that declared war on them?!
Actually reese was made up of some nano-bots thats how she created replicators in the first place.

http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s5/519.shtml

Ltcolshepjumper
June 3rd, 2006, 04:40 PM
Yeah. Reese was a "robot" but she had nano-technology, not made up of nanites

Platschu
June 15th, 2006, 12:04 PM
I think that the Asurans won't look like humans after Progeny, because the team will try to reprogram them, but this won't work and so the Asurans will be very agressive.

the fifth man
June 15th, 2006, 01:49 PM
I sure hope the Asurans have a bit more personality than the Borg did. That just got boring after awhile.

GreyFox
June 21st, 2006, 12:47 AM
maybe like the human replicators?

Harekin
June 21st, 2006, 07:09 AM
maybe like the human replicators?
Dont ever say that again.