Ok, first time Gateworld poster here. And here's the generic "I'm sorry if this thread already exists" disclaimer. Enjoy.
Anyway, I've run across many people complaining about the Ori, about how one demenstional they are, and I just have a few things to say about that.
The Gou'ald have had 8 seasons plus their limited involvement in Season 9 to develop. The Ori have been here one season. It's pretty much a no brainer that they aren't going to be super deveolped right from the start.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Gou'ald weren't that developed in Season 1. Sure, we learned that they are parasites, and, through the movie and the first season we gather that they took humans from Earth, gathered them across the Galaxy, and used them as slave labor, Jafa, and hosts. We also learn that the Unas were their original hosts and that they have a form of government [for lack of a better word] run by "system lords." But other than that, it's all pretty generic stuff.
Instead of giving them reasons to be bad, they were inheriently bad from the get go, and you have Apophis divulging incredibly cheesy dialogue like "fool, I'll kill you." (Nox). How many Gou'ald did we even meet in the first season? Apophis, Hathor, Walskey and the Unas on Cimeria. Nierti's ship is seen in Singularity, but that's about it.
And what are their actions? An immediate attack, glowing eyes, the given Gou'ald voice, threats of death, and for Apophis and Hathor, the usage of a hand device here and there.
The Jaffa see more character development through Teal'c in this season than the Gou'ald do.
But fans enjoyed the show, and we got all of these wonderful seasons.
Now. Through the seasons, we got to meet more [interesting] System lords, learn of the Tok'ra offshoot, find the Gou'ald origin planet. But there's only so much you can do with "ROAR, I WILL PRETEND I'M YOUR GOD AND YOU WILL BE MY SLAVE, LET ME GLOW MY EYES AT YOU AND TALK ABOUT YOUR DEMISE WHILE I SEND JAFFA TO ATTACK." Thank God Anubis came along.
So anyway, we get the replicators to break up the "usual", and they get their own progression leading up to the totaly rad Replicarter invasion.
In truth, the Replicators are probably the most one-dimentional characters around. Hive minded insect-like creatures whos only initiative is to multiply. The human replicater angle was neat and added a little depth, but not much else could've been done. But still, they were a cool enemey and gave the Gou'ald [as well as everyone else] a run for their money due to their collectiveness, something the System Lords could not acchieve due to pride.
Enter the Ori, who I view as the new Replicaters rather than a replacement to the Gou'ald. They're the most powerful baddies we've come across, and they're here to convert our Galaxy to gain power from their worshipers, becoming even more powerful. That may be a pretty singleminded goal, but that doesn't negate their power and deffinately makes them more dangerous than a pack of prideful parasites who seem to war with eachother more than anything else.
But as a group of characters, the Ori are actually pretty deveopled already. They're the continuation of the Ancient backstory which is still being fleshed out. They add depth to that story, much like the Tokra added depth to the System Lords.
And their tactics haven't been one deminsional. Granted, they approach every planet with a chance to convert to Origin, but they deffinately have different means of achieving this goal. The plague and insects, the creation of a super gate to enter our galaxy, and a willingness to change pace and help one civilzation advance to overthrow another (Ethon). Seems to me that they're pretty good stratagists.
But anyway, in the light of the fact that they're actually the continuation of the long running ancient back story and that they've only had one season to develop, I don't see a need to complain. They've certainally been a breath of fresh air.
Anyway, I've run across many people complaining about the Ori, about how one demenstional they are, and I just have a few things to say about that.
The Gou'ald have had 8 seasons plus their limited involvement in Season 9 to develop. The Ori have been here one season. It's pretty much a no brainer that they aren't going to be super deveolped right from the start.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Gou'ald weren't that developed in Season 1. Sure, we learned that they are parasites, and, through the movie and the first season we gather that they took humans from Earth, gathered them across the Galaxy, and used them as slave labor, Jafa, and hosts. We also learn that the Unas were their original hosts and that they have a form of government [for lack of a better word] run by "system lords." But other than that, it's all pretty generic stuff.
Instead of giving them reasons to be bad, they were inheriently bad from the get go, and you have Apophis divulging incredibly cheesy dialogue like "fool, I'll kill you." (Nox). How many Gou'ald did we even meet in the first season? Apophis, Hathor, Walskey and the Unas on Cimeria. Nierti's ship is seen in Singularity, but that's about it.
And what are their actions? An immediate attack, glowing eyes, the given Gou'ald voice, threats of death, and for Apophis and Hathor, the usage of a hand device here and there.
The Jaffa see more character development through Teal'c in this season than the Gou'ald do.
But fans enjoyed the show, and we got all of these wonderful seasons.
Now. Through the seasons, we got to meet more [interesting] System lords, learn of the Tok'ra offshoot, find the Gou'ald origin planet. But there's only so much you can do with "ROAR, I WILL PRETEND I'M YOUR GOD AND YOU WILL BE MY SLAVE, LET ME GLOW MY EYES AT YOU AND TALK ABOUT YOUR DEMISE WHILE I SEND JAFFA TO ATTACK." Thank God Anubis came along.
So anyway, we get the replicators to break up the "usual", and they get their own progression leading up to the totaly rad Replicarter invasion.
In truth, the Replicators are probably the most one-dimentional characters around. Hive minded insect-like creatures whos only initiative is to multiply. The human replicater angle was neat and added a little depth, but not much else could've been done. But still, they were a cool enemey and gave the Gou'ald [as well as everyone else] a run for their money due to their collectiveness, something the System Lords could not acchieve due to pride.
Enter the Ori, who I view as the new Replicaters rather than a replacement to the Gou'ald. They're the most powerful baddies we've come across, and they're here to convert our Galaxy to gain power from their worshipers, becoming even more powerful. That may be a pretty singleminded goal, but that doesn't negate their power and deffinately makes them more dangerous than a pack of prideful parasites who seem to war with eachother more than anything else.
But as a group of characters, the Ori are actually pretty deveopled already. They're the continuation of the Ancient backstory which is still being fleshed out. They add depth to that story, much like the Tokra added depth to the System Lords.
And their tactics haven't been one deminsional. Granted, they approach every planet with a chance to convert to Origin, but they deffinately have different means of achieving this goal. The plague and insects, the creation of a super gate to enter our galaxy, and a willingness to change pace and help one civilzation advance to overthrow another (Ethon). Seems to me that they're pretty good stratagists.
But anyway, in the light of the fact that they're actually the continuation of the long running ancient back story and that they've only had one season to develop, I don't see a need to complain. They've certainally been a breath of fresh air.
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