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Flyboy
May 11th, 2006, 06:15 AM
This is not a discussion about whether or not new who should have been serialised or presented in a different form, let me get that straight. It's also pretty obvious why New Who differs from early classic who - production values and such. But imo, The Movie, despite its americanisation, feels a lot more like Classic Who in its style. new Who feels completely different, it feels like a completely new series, where as I have a hunch that if Paul McGann's series had taken off, it would have felt more like a continuation of Classic Who...

What do people think to this? And can anyone place their finger on what makes the shows seem so different?

The Signal
May 11th, 2006, 07:50 AM
Personally I feel that the feel of the new Who is simply the world of Doctor Who twisted a little to appeal to modern audiences. To me the movie felt more like an immitation than a continuation, it had the Who feel, but to me it seemed synthetic and forced. Had Who ran through to now, I think that it would near enough the same as it is now, the feel has changed, but I believe that the first Doctor's era has a very different feel to that of the fifth doctor, and his era seems very different to the Seventh Doctor's. Change tends to occur over time, the show didnt have that luxury as it had a huge time gap to fill, so we jumped from one style to another with no sceen time.

Deputy-Assistant-Second-Prime
May 11th, 2006, 08:16 AM
What do people think to this? And can anyone place their finger on what makes the shows seem so different?There's more focus on characterization. The plot elements are presented more concisely and with no reminders.

So, the viewers are treated more intelligently. The camera work is more dynamic. The pacing is quicker.

The show is no longer a serial and has changed from 25-minute to 45-minute episodes.

So all this alters the plot arc, emotional arc, and the thematic arc of the new episodes.

Metarock Sam
May 11th, 2006, 09:01 AM
Lets see...
The Doctor isnt the main focus of the episodes anymore. Its usually the companions.
The time war and the loss of the Gallifreyans
and much much more.

GhostPoet
May 11th, 2006, 12:25 PM
EH...I thought the movie didn't feel hardly at all like the classic series. The new Who feels much closer to the classic. With a big upgrade.=)

Deputy-Assistant-Second-Prime
May 11th, 2006, 02:22 PM
Lets see...
The Doctor isnt the main focus of the episodes anymore. Its usually the companions.The Doctor wasn't always the main focus during the Hartnell era...that's part of the reason I like his stories, because it was balanced better across all the regulars.

And I like that about Eccelston's era. The Doctor might be the hero of the story or he might simply play the role of the instigator, encouraging companions or one-off characters to fulfill the hero role.

It's more interesting because it doesn't always follow the same formula.

Easter Lily
May 11th, 2006, 08:27 PM
In some ways, I don't think the show has changed but in many ways it has...
But I think the show has a different feel every time a regeneration takes place anyway... The subsequent doctor really does set the tone.

Obviously in this new series, the pacing is a lot quicker, the sfx is SOOOOOOOO much better, the dialogue's much more zippy. There is a lot more focus on the doctor's inner life and they seem more deliberate in their desire to push the romance angle. I don't mind a more angsty doctor but I still think that the doctor should be somewhat larger than life.

But happily, the monsters and the villains are still cheesy... ;) I, for some reason, find that strangely comforting.

Flyboy
May 12th, 2006, 01:58 AM
Though i wish the daleks are a bit.... dirtier.

Willow'sCat
May 12th, 2006, 10:28 PM
This is not a discussion about whether or not new who should have been serialised or presented in a different form, let me get that straight. It's also pretty obvious why New Who differs from early classic who - production values and such. But imo, The Movie, despite its americanisation, feels a lot more like Classic Who in its style. new Who feels completely different, it feels like a completely new series, where as I have a hunch that if Paul McGann's series had taken off, it would have felt more like a continuation of Classic Who...

What do people think to this? And can anyone place their finger on what makes the shows seem so different?Well to be frank, what you said in your opening paragraph is the reason it feels different. :S :cool:

You cannot compare serials to bottle necks, the pacing is always different when you have less time to tell the story. The story telling is altered and what was considered an important part in a serial becomes less so in a bottle neck.

And I guess for me a lot of the classic series had filler, I mean did we need to hear so much from secondary characters in the classic series? I wasn't all that interested in the inhabitants of most of the Planets he visited because you knew they would a) be dead by the end of the story or b) unlike the Daleks/Cybermen/Master you would never see them again.

Thankfully in the new series they rarely bother with trying to make that connection. Don't get me wrong I think we still need to feel The Doctor has made that connection to the "people" he meets but I don't believe we as the audience need to.

Again despite your opening paragraph, it is to do with money/production/modernising the show.

As for the Movie, not a fan; it was not IMO Dr Who it was nothing more than a man calling himself The Doctor and having a Police Box it wasn't Dr Who to me it really didn't feel like it at all. The main reason IMO was it had no http://forum.gateworld.net/images/gw_icons/heart.gif

Easter Lily
May 12th, 2006, 11:19 PM
Though i wish the daleks are a bit.... dirtier.
It's hard for something to be dirty when all it wants to do is exterminate... and has a toilet plunger attached to its body. ;)

Flyboy
May 13th, 2006, 07:31 AM
Lol.

What I meant is that they wouldnt look so pristine. Their metal would be older and less well kept. Real warmachines thta look like theyve been in battle for millenia.

Metarock Sam
May 13th, 2006, 07:52 AM
Yes but you can argue theat the Daleks in the Parting of Ways were new Daleks who never had fought proper battle before.

Flyboy
May 13th, 2006, 10:39 AM
At the risk of being flamed for a short reply:

Agreed

Metarock Sam
May 13th, 2006, 10:53 AM
Good O. Cybermen in 10 mins

creed462
May 15th, 2006, 11:07 AM
I think it feel very much like the classic seris

spaceman1701
May 15th, 2006, 10:24 PM
I have been watching doctor who for about 30 years and over the years I have seen it change with each new generation and decade. Like what was said, it changes to tailor to the audience.

Madeleine
May 15th, 2006, 11:24 PM
In some ways, I don't think the show has changed but in many ways it has...
But I think the show has a different feel every time a regeneration takes place anyway... The subsequent doctor really does set the tone.

Obviously in this new series, the pacing is a lot quicker, the sfx is SOOOOOOOO much better, the dialogue's much more zippy. There is a lot more focus on the doctor's inner life and they seem more deliberate in their desire to push the romance angle. I don't mind a more angsty doctor but I still think that the doctor should be somewhat larger than life.

But happily, the monsters and the villains are still cheesy... ;) I, for some reason, find that strangely comforting.

Agreed, especially with that last part :D.

I didn't think the Paul McGann thing was anything like the Doctor Who I'd been watching since the late seventies. JMO, but it was trying too hard to be a hollywood movie. It had none of the charm and quirkiness of the television programme.

The new version is the same old Doctor Who in all the ways that count. Each of the two latest Doctors have had personalities which hang well enough with the rest. The monsters are suitably cheesy ;). The humour is there. The creepiness is there. Most of the new stories would only need a bit of extension to be fit to use as a Classic story (add in a few minutes of running around corridors, running through a disused quarry or both; add a few minutes for each of the times a Companion gets captured, which generally happenned twice per four-ep story; and add three loud screams from a companion to accompany the three cliffhangers).

The differences are very noticeable because, as Ptah said, we've had them all in one go. But had there been no two-decade intermission, we might well have got something pretty much like this anyway. Even in the Sixth Doctor's era the 4x25min format had changed and we had 45min eps. The camerawork has got better cos cameras are lighter now and better; the pacing has got better because of competition; the themes are a little different cos the world has turned a lot since the eighties.

It's still about a fella who travels in his rather wonky TARDIS and tries to prevent baddies from hatching their evil plans. It's still my Doctor Who :). I feel it's grown up with me though - and without leaving childhood behind. The last ep I watched with my Dad, like I always did, but this time I had my son with me too.

Easter Lily
May 16th, 2006, 08:37 PM
It's still about a fella who travels in his rather wonky TARDIS and tries to prevent baddies from hatching their evil plans. It's still my Doctor Who :). I feel it's grown up with me though - and without leaving childhood behind. The last ep I watched with my Dad, like I always did, but this time I had my son with me too.
I "grew up" watching it with my Dad too (but I was seventeen!) and now we're the only two people in my family that watch Who religiously... My daughter to my great surprise is able to recognize all the Doctors generically as Dr Who... Good girl!