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GateWorld
February 8th, 2006, 08:40 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 222</FONT>
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Michael prepares a small group to attack the Others' camp and rescue Walt, as he recalls his time as their captive. The group prepares to bury two of their friends.

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NowIWillDestroyAbydos
May 17th, 2006, 07:26 PM
Great ep, I can't wait till next week's 2 hour season finale, it absolutely looks good

Tok'Ra Hostess
May 17th, 2006, 07:54 PM
Argh!

I was wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. And you(you all know who you are;) ) were right; Micheal was not being mind-controlled, but sold out his friends for Walt.

Micheal, I know you love Walt, but I'm disappointed in you. :( Oh, well, at least Sayid saw through him.

Interesting twist that the "Others'" leader is a woman. Didn't Not Henry Gale refer to the leader as a male, or did I just assume that leader = male, as I assumed that Rose's husband would be black?

It's neat that we are going to get some Alex development. She - and not just a few of the other Others - looked pretty unhappy.

I wonder what "the room" is? Walt wasn't too keen to return there.

YES!!! So cool to have Charlie back in Claire's good graces!

So, "caught in a net" means "had wild monkey sex," eh? Got it. ;) That bonding moment between Sawyer and Jack was almost as good as the one last season when Sawyer told Jack he'd met his dad.

Poor Locke. He's lost his sense of purpose, and probably blames himself for AL and Libby's deaths. I think he is gonna go walkabout, now. Does he have a gun? Oh, wait, nevermind; he's got knives galore.

Thermonuclearboy
May 17th, 2006, 08:23 PM
Micheal, I know you love Walt, but I'm disappointed in you. :( Oh, well, at least Sayid saw through him.

Hey, kids make you do stupid things. That's all there is to it.

So why THOSE FOUR particularly? If we go on the supposition that the Others are part of some behavioral experiment run amok, and Mister Friendly is one of the people in on the experiment, it would stand to reason he wants to remove any variables from the experiment. Jack's the leader, and a known troublemakers. Kate knows that their appearance is largely an act. Sawyer's an unpredictable element and much trickier than he appears. All of them either know something or could potentially find out something that points to the illusionary nature of the Others' existence, so eliminating them is a good idea. But why Hurley? And, more to the point, why NOT Locke or Sayid? Surely they're more dangerous to the integrity of the experiment.

Morbo
May 17th, 2006, 08:39 PM
Miss Clue isn't their leader i don't think.
I'm still pretty sure Hanso or one of the people who created the Dharma Initiative are the "him."

But its nice we do know these dirty people are just pretending. And I too am curious whats behind their hatch.

and whats up with that rock formation over them? very weird.

and who's boat was that? I wonder if it was drawn to the island by the giant "magnet" (if thats true) cause we know its "on" because it was pulling at Ecko's necklace.

next week looks off the friggin hook. is it wednedsay yet? please?

Paine
May 17th, 2006, 11:48 PM
I was kind of disappointed in this episode, though it was very well acted and well done. Besides the specific list of people, nothing was revealed about Micheal/Walt's situation that you couldn't deduce pretty easily from previous episodes. Yes, we knew Micheal was working for the Others. Yes, we knew Walt was "special" and that's probably why they wanted him. Yes, we knew that the rustic appearence of Zeke was a fake. Yes, we knew Alex was resisting her companions. Etc...

ItsDan
May 18th, 2006, 05:02 AM
There's no reason to assume that Mrs Clue is the ultimate leader of this whole thing. Just probably higher up than we've seen before.

Gydyon
May 18th, 2006, 05:57 AM
Not only is Michael selling out his friends, at no point did the Others instruct him to kill Ana Lucia. So that was his choice, not the result of any brainwashing or whatever. He certainly could have figured out a way to release Henry without killing her, so it made me wonder what kind of man he really is.

Tok'Ra Hostess
May 18th, 2006, 06:21 AM
There's no reason to assume that Mrs Clue is the ultimate leader of this whole thing. Just probably higher up than we've seen before.

True. She may be just the local tribesleader or something

I wonder what she meant about seeing Walt where he shouldn't be? She must be referring to Shannon and then Sayid seeing Walt, but I wonder if we might see a flashback where Micheal saw him, before the whole marooned on an island thing.

My hubby is now going with the theory that the Others are divided along philosophical lines, with one group trying to "save" the Losties from the machinations of the other group.

Arative
May 18th, 2006, 06:37 AM
It was an interesting episode, we got to see some of the "others" point of view but we know for a fact that they aren't what they seem since Mr. Friendly has a false beard. It seems their hatch goes into the side of a cliff? I wonder how large it is inside and if we will see inside.Seems that the Losties might have an ally in Alex.

I wonder what the others want with Walt. From the questions Ms. Clue was asking it seems like they want him for some pyschic abilities. From what Walt said, if he doesn't do what they want they punish him. I can't help but wonder if the others that are out on the village are just there for show? And then who were the others that Jin saw walking along dragging the bear? Are there two groups of others? Is one group in control of all the others or are the others with the bear part of an experiment too?

I also wonder why the others want, Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurely? I tend to agree with Thermonuclearboy that taking those 4 will disrupt the Losties a lot. Jack is the leader and everyone likes Hurley, so their loss would effect the Losties moral the most. Sawyer is the guy who can get things done, people come to him if they need something and Kate is a lose canon that if they just took Jack, would probably stop at nothing to get him back.

As to why they didn't want Locke or Eko, my theory is that both of them have seemingly accepted what the island wants them to do so the others are satisfied with them?

Tok'Ra Hostess
May 18th, 2006, 07:24 AM
and who's boat was that? I wonder if it was drawn to the island by the giant "magnet" (if thats true) cause we know its "on" because it was pulling at Ecko's necklace.

next week looks off the friggin hook. is it wednedsay yet? please?

My money's on the sailboat being Desmond's. He was on a race around the world when he came to the island, and there's just no way that we're done seeing him. Now, whether Desmond is still in posession of the boat is another thing. Maybe the Others sailed it into view to offer Micheal a guarantee that they'd keep their side of the bargain. What a coincidence that the boat showed up only after Hurley agreed to go with Micheal, eh... or was it coincidence?

We didn't get a preview for next week on the CTV network. :( Anybody got a link? :)

yaaayoubetcha
May 18th, 2006, 07:49 AM
I thought it was a technically sound ep, but, I didn't really like it that much.

It was interesting to see the events while Michael was gone, but I think they could have devoted a whole ep to it, not doing a back and forth.

I wasn't really grabbed by any of the events and I really wonder how Sayid can be the only guy that suspected Michael of being shady. Even without knowing what we know, he's so obvious, it's painful.

High hopes for next week.

Thermonuclearboy
May 18th, 2006, 07:57 AM
As to why they didn't want Locke or Eko, my theory is that both of them have seemingly accepted what the island wants them to do so the others are satisfied with them?

But Locke is beginning to doubt it. Besides which, he was one of the expedition that first met Mister Friendly, so he could clearly be perceived as some kind of threat.

As to there being different tribes of Others, I suppose it's possible, but I have my doubts that any of them have our survivors' best interests at heart. We KNOW the primitive lifestyle is just an act, a cover for something else. And we know Mister Friendly and others are in on it, and trying to maintain the illusion for some purpose.

My theory? Each of the six stations was doing some different kind of research, with different subjects. The subjects were given a controlled situation in which to live, assigned tasks to perform and decisions to make, all of which was observed covertly. But then something happened - the Incident - and the observers lost control of the situations. The subjects, not realizing their situations were artificial, kept on going doing what they were supposed to be doing with no one to tell them otherwise. As things began breaking down, they began to resort to more and more desperate measures to continue performing their assigned tasks, never questioning why they were doing them or even suspecting there was no reason behind it.

Mister Friendly, Ms. Kleugh, and quite possibly Henry all seem to be in on the true nature of the Island, which leads me to believe that the experiment is still going on in some form. Maybe the Hanso Foundation decided to continue to observe the societies evolving after the Incident, and sent some researchers in disguise to infiltrate the Others.

That's what I think is going on, anyway.

Vyse
May 18th, 2006, 10:37 AM
Good episode, it's nice to see the story FINALLY move. The middle of this season was very slow, and not much happened. Nice to see Sayid finally get some screen time again, and being involved with the events. He was silent for way too long, nice that someone saw through Michael's very clear lies. His flashbacks were interesting with stuff about the "others" but there was nothing about what happened to him that we didn't already know.

Galilahi
May 18th, 2006, 11:40 AM
I really liked this ep. I was seriously hating on Michael for a while, but when I saw the scene with Walt I got it a little better; not that I excuse his actions. He killed Ana Lucia in cold blood, accidently shot Libby then left her there to die.

Did anyone else notice that both Michael and Charlie checked their watches?

I think that the boat belongs to the Others. Michael said he wanted the boat and who knows, maybe they have two or repaired Desmond's.

Can't wait for next week!!

jonno
May 18th, 2006, 12:15 PM
It was an interesting episode, we got to see some of the "others" point of view but we know for a fact that they aren't what they seem since Mr. Friendly has a false beard. It seems their hatch goes into the side of a cliff? I wonder how large it is inside and if we will see inside.Seems that the Losties might have an ally in Alex.

I wonder what the others want with Walt. From the questions Ms. Clue was asking it seems like they want him for some pyschic abilities. From what Walt said, if he doesn't do what they want they punish him. I can't help but wonder if the others that are out on the village are just there for show? And then who were the others that Jin saw walking along dragging the bear? Are there two groups of others? Is one group in control of all the others or are the others with the bear part of an experiment too?


I just had a little look, and the others we had in this episode didn't have shoes on, so it's possible they were all one group - not what i was expecting.

Any speculations as to where Locke walked off to - he was heading away from the beach.

TrustNo1
May 18th, 2006, 04:34 PM
The island knows everything that's going on. Hugo was on the list and who get's shot? The one person which would make Hugo go with Michael. Brilliant :) The island is God?

jmallx
May 18th, 2006, 09:16 PM
I'm even more dissappointed with Michael now.
He acts like a total woman who acts only on emotion and ignores all logic.

He gets himself captured and then decides to sacrifice 4 of his "friends" on the "Hope" that the others will free Walt.

All the time in captivity he was demanding that they bring Walt to him.

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are essentially a POW / Prisoner, they don't have to listen to you. He was just plain whiny to me.

I'm disgusted with him. I hope they kill off his character soon.

KatG
May 19th, 2006, 04:35 AM
I'm definitely disappointed in Michael. I really wanted to believe he was brainwashed, which is the only reason I could come up with for him to shoot AL and Libby. Now we see that he's just being his typical whiny self.

Yes, I know that he's worried about Walt, but there were other ways. Michael should know the others well enough by now, to figure that they would let Henry go, and that the "four" would be willing to go back while allowing the other Losties to figure out a way to follow them, or with a plan to rescue Walt. He didn't need to kill anyone, it wasn't part of the bargain.
IMO, he doesn't deserve Walt, he never really did. I find him irritating and wouldn't care if something happens to him next week and he doesn't survive.

MarshAngel
May 19th, 2006, 06:14 AM
So why THOSE FOUR particularly? If we go on the supposition that the Others are part of some behavioral experiment run amok, and Mister Friendly is one of the people in on the experiment, it would stand to reason he wants to remove any variables from the experiment. Jack's the leader, and a known troublemakers. Kate knows that their appearance is largely an act. Sawyer's an unpredictable element and much trickier than he appears. All of them either know something or could potentially find out something that points to the illusionary nature of the Others' existence, so eliminating them is a good idea. But why Hurley? And, more to the point, why NOT Locke or Sayid? Surely they're more dangerous to the integrity of the experiment.

I agree with you. My theory of the moment is that these four make things too stable for the others and as a result they aren't really experiencing the true consequences of being stranded. Jack especially is important to mainting civilized behavior and he's been given a lot of trust like a government. Sawyer is bureaucracy. He can help, but he's going to make it hard for you first. Kate is the can-do girl. If something hard needs doing, she volunteers. Hurley is basically social services, his presence is comforting and he makes people feel at home.

I'm not sure why not Sayid? I think they have other uses for Locke. If Not-Henry wasn't lying though, he was sent to bring him back first. So maybe they expected to have Locke before Michael got the others.

FoolishPleasure
May 19th, 2006, 09:43 AM
I think the boat is Desmonds (he is listed as being in the finale anyway). As was stated, he was in a yacht race previously.

Michael should have confided in Jack about what happened to him with the others. Luckily Sayid figured out what he is pulling. Sayid really needs to be in charge as he seems to be the only one with a brain sometimes.

I don't think Ms. Clue (sp?) is in charge of the others. We've had several references to "him" as being rather mean and unforgiving so the leader is male. On the Hanso Corp. website there is an Easter egg that says Alvar Hanso hasn't been seen in public in several years. I think he is on the island, running the show.

What the heck is that vaccine that Charlie gave Claire? I sure wouldn't be injecting that stuff into me without knowing what it was and we have no idea why Desmond was injecting himself. Jack should be given that stuff to check out.

Arative
May 19th, 2006, 11:38 AM
One more question, assuming that Ms Clue was being straight with Michael. I know big assumption. But why would Henry be so important to the others that they would be willing to give up Walt for Henry?

MarshAngel
May 19th, 2006, 02:40 PM
What the heck is that vaccine that Charlie gave Claire? I sure wouldn't be injecting that stuff into me without knowing what it was and we have no idea why Desmond was injecting himself. Jack should be given that stuff to check out.

I know. That was incredibly stupid. And what kind of vaccine has he ever heard of that you take every nine days? Does that sound like measles mumps and chicken pox to him?

ItsDan
May 19th, 2006, 05:08 PM
But why would Henry be so important to the others that they would be willing to give up Walt for Henry?

Why do you think the others are going to give up Walt?

Vyse
May 19th, 2006, 05:13 PM
I'm really dissapointed in Michael too. Does he really believe that the Others are simply going to give him Walt. I know he is a desperate parent, but that does not excuse stupidity. He knows that the Others have an interest in Walt, why would they give him up, Michael has no way to force them to keep their word. It seems like the only person who has intelligence on the Island is Sayid.

Morbo
May 19th, 2006, 05:35 PM
i dislike the Jack character more and more each week.
he may be medical smart, but otherwise he's a pretty big idiot.

Thermonuclearboy
May 19th, 2006, 07:12 PM
Jack's not stupid. It's just that he has a tendency to take things at face value. Let's be honest: it's not as though Michael is the first castaway to start acting weird. And he had no reason not to trust him.

Skydiver
May 19th, 2006, 07:36 PM
'the four' are also the ones that know about and spend time in hte hatch. and seem to be the ones that are most ready to get off hte island, while the others seem to be content to stay

Galilahi
May 19th, 2006, 08:11 PM
I think that Jack is a really trusting guy. The last people you would or want to suspect of something so terrible as murder is someone who you thought you could trust with your life. I personally think that when the truth about Michael comes out it is really gonna f***k with everybody's head. I wonder how Hurley is going to react?

TrustNo1
May 19th, 2006, 09:21 PM
Michael is Giligan?

Jack annoys me too. He's smart but he makes stupid decisions.

Sayid annoys me aswell. He knows what to do, how to do it but he doesn't. It really sucked when Shannon died, he deserved her so much and she was starting to not be a stuck up *****.

ItsDan
May 20th, 2006, 06:49 AM
Jack is screwing this up though. Michael's assertion that it's his son so he gets to decide is ridiculous. He's talking about risking OTHER people's lives to come help him. Not taking Sayid is absolutely ridiculous.

Also Michael telling Sayid that he can't go because Sayid would be going for revenge is abundantly suspicious since that's the one reason for Hurley going.

It's far too suspicious for any reasonable human being to take it at face value.

Anyone think it looked like Sayid was taking Michael's pulse when he shoot his hand using both hands?

Beards are evil
May 20th, 2006, 09:30 AM
Hi,
I've joined the forum today so I can discuss and see what folks think about the show during the soon to come break, where I'm sure everyone will be left with loads of questions.
One question I have now is why is the lastest episode called '3 Minutes'? I'm probably missing something simple, but anyone know?
Cheers
Mark

KatG
May 20th, 2006, 10:17 AM
Hi,
I've joined the forum today so I can discuss and see what folks think about the show during the soon to come break, where I'm sure everyone will be left with loads of questions.
One question I have now is why is the lastest episode called '3 Minutes'? I'm probably missing something simple, but anyone know?
Cheers
Mark

It actually wasn't that obvious. 8) Three minutes is the amount of time Michael was allowed to see/talk to Walt.

Welcome to the forum.

Primus Commander Woden
May 20th, 2006, 02:21 PM
What i didnt understand was, why didnt michael tell them what happened and then prepare a backup team, because he is going to take the one on the list and Sayid will take a back up team seeing to the fac tthat he mistrusts michael, so if michael had told them what happened, seeing as they are his friends, and that ***** Mrs Clue or whatever really annoys me, then they could of surprised them. also did he have a deadline for when to bring them to them so that they know that michael and that lot are coming???

ItsDan
May 20th, 2006, 09:10 PM
The Others must be keeping close eyes on the losties considering they refered to Sawyer and Hurley by their true names, not their island nicknames. Michael knows if he tried to setup a 'backup team' to follow them or something that he risks losing his son forever.

Tok'Ra Hostess
May 21st, 2006, 06:23 AM
The Others must be keeping close eyes on the losties considering they refered to Sawyer and Hurley by their true names, not their island nicknames. Michael knows if he tried to setup a 'backup team' to follow them or something that he risks losing his son forever.

Ya think? ;) Micheal didn't even know Sawyer's real name.

Also, when Micheal asked how he was going to get the four on the list to come with him, Ms Clue said by that time they'd be so angry that they would follow him (horribly mangled paraphrasing, sorry). Does that mean that the Others knew that Libby was going to die? If Walt can be seen in places where he isn't, physically, can they see the future, somehow? Time travel? Or a wormhole that opens into other locations on the island that they don't actually step through, but use as a viewing window? Scientists have hypothesized that a wormhole might be used for this purpose. Maybe Walt can use these wormholes to communicate, but the message comes out garbled, like when he talked to Shannon.

memnarch
May 21st, 2006, 09:39 PM
Ya think? ;) Micheal didn't even know Sawyer's real name.

Also, when Micheal asked how he was going to get the four on the list to come with him, Ms Clue said by that time they'd be so angry that they would follow him (horribly mangled paraphrasing, sorry). Does that mean that the Others knew that Libby was going to die? If Walt can be seen in places where he isn't, physically, can they see the future, somehow? Time travel? Or a wormhole that opens into other locations on the island that they don't actually step through, but use as a viewing window? Scientists have hypothesized that a wormhole might be used for this purpose. Maybe Walt can use these wormholes to communicate, but the message comes out garbled, like when he talked to Shannon.

That's an interesting hypothesis about their prescience, though I doubt they themselves are able to predict the future. They probably have other special kids like Walt who can see the future, if that's the case. Wormholes might be taking it a bit far, though I think. As to how the Others know the survivors' names, it could be that Ethan was able to compile an incomplete list prior to his death. Or, and I like this theory better, it could be that the Others knew of the survivors before they crashed and brought them there for a reason!

wilmawong
May 22nd, 2006, 03:07 AM
i'm in the uk and downloaded the episode from somewhere and burnt it to dvd. i watched part of the episode and was interrupted, so turned it off. when i watched it again i had to fast forward through it and noticed that when i pressed the next button on my dvd the scenes were exactly 3 minutes long each. don't know if this is an anomaly? seems too much of a coincidence

KatG
May 22nd, 2006, 04:04 AM
i'm in the uk and downloaded the episode from somewhere and burnt it to dvd. i watched part of the episode and was interrupted, so turned it off. when i watched it again i had to fast forward through it and noticed that when i pressed the next button on my dvd the scenes were exactly 3 minutes long each. don't know if this is an anomaly? seems too much of a coincidence

Oh. That's interesting.

ItsDan
May 22nd, 2006, 04:45 AM
Most DVD creator applications use a default scene time of 3 minutes. There's no way that information would be in the downloaded movie itself. Also be careful because I believe discussing the downloading of episodes is frowned upon on this forums for legal reasons.

Morbo
May 22nd, 2006, 03:07 PM
i'm in the uk and downloaded the episode from somewhere and burnt it to dvd. i watched part of the episode and was interrupted, so turned it off. when i watched it again i had to fast forward through it and noticed that when i pressed the next button on my dvd the scenes were exactly 3 minutes long each. don't know if this is an anomaly? seems too much of a coincidence

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yaaayoubetcha
May 23rd, 2006, 10:49 AM
IMO, he doesn't deserve Walt, he never really did. I find him irritating and wouldn't care if something happens to him next week and he doesn't survive.

i agree completely.

knowsfords
August 29th, 2006, 03:54 AM
IMO, he doesn't deserve Walt, he never really did.

His "lovely" ex girlfriend saw to that.

Metarock Sam
September 12th, 2006, 04:10 PM
Just watched this eppy.

Im pretty sure Sayid was checking Michaels Pulse to determine if he wwas lying or not.

Yay Charlie is back in Claires good books after giving her the vaccine. He laso threw away the statues but they may wash back on shore againjust to spite him.

Now the question @Did hsi episode change my opinion on Michael ?' the awnser is no/ IMO he is a stupid idiot who is looking for self fulfilment. When he was captured by the Others he was screaming I WANT I WANT like a 5 year old. Obviously thats the kind of thing you dont do if you are a prisoner. He didnt need to kill Ana Lucia or Libby and I dont think its what the Others would have wanted. (Henry always stressssed that they are a good people)

Yay Desmonds back !!! (he did say he came on a boat)
I just cant wait till the next episode a 2 week wait !!!!!!thats going to be hell !!!!

SgaIsBad
August 30th, 2008, 11:40 AM
Im pretty sure Sayid was checking Michaels Pulse to determine if he wwas lying or not.


me too