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MiniHerc
May 5th, 2006, 07:47 PM
I know a lot of people will bash me for asking this but i thought i'd get peoples thoughts. We've seen a human with ancient knowledge (o'neill) build a less advanced version of a ZPM in SG1 S3 using naquada and earth equipment. So it is possible but just we have less advanced technology (duuuuhhhhh). But how long do you ppl think it will take us to learn how to build a fully functional one if we ever do? years? decades? centuries? Mil... ok i'm stopping there :o

The thing that made me wonder this is that i've been reading a few of the virtual stargate spinoffs: horizon, destiny etc and noticed that whenever talk about zpms come up the characters say "we don't have any" so i'm not sure whether to believe there aren't any found or they just don't have the parts to make it.

Your thoughts...

zpm!!
May 5th, 2006, 07:53 PM
I know a lot of people will bash me for asking this but i thought i'd get peoples thoughts. We've seen a human with ancient knowledge (o'neill) build a less advanced version of a ZPM in SG1 S3 using naquada and earth equipment. So it is possible but just we have less advanced technology (duuuuhhhhh). But how long do you ppl think it will take us to learn how to build a fully functional one if we ever do? years? decades? centuries? Mil... ok i'm stopping there :o

The thing that made me wonder this is that i've been reading a few of the virtual stargate spinoffs: horizon, destiny etc and noticed that whenever talk about zpms come up the characters say "we don't have any" so i'm not sure whether to believe there aren't any found or they just don't have the parts to make it.

Your thoughts...


the notes on how to build a zpm, schmatic, materials needed and instruction manual, is somewhere in the ancient Database, but i having a feeling that it may be Passworded???!!!!! only time will tell. keeping watching for your answer. i guess 4 more seasons. and to build one would take 6-12 months.

the fifth man
May 5th, 2006, 09:10 PM
IMO, not for a very, very long time.

Brigadier General jackson
May 6th, 2006, 07:20 AM
When OíNeill had the repository of the ancients download in to his mine he built one in the fifth race

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Raj_2006
May 7th, 2006, 02:47 AM
y can't we just build those, they where quite powerfull and it was built out of things from earth and T's staff weapon. :D

Stuey1221
May 7th, 2006, 03:40 AM
I still reckon theres a processing plant somewhere in the unactivated parts of the city!

SmallTimePerson
May 7th, 2006, 04:20 AM
When OíNeill had the repository of the ancients download in to his mine he built one in the fifth race

Not a ZPM, just a really really strong naq generator. A ZPM is a bit more complex, also it would ruin alot of the plot (same reason why they cant just make another generator).

The Ori
May 7th, 2006, 07:28 AM
Yeh I don't think that theyll be able to build one or very very long. The good thing about Stargate is that it is science fiction and fantasy that is set in our time here and now. If they are able to build an unbelievable power source it will make the show too futuristic. So I doubt that they'll be able build it for time. But I have no doubt that they will find ZPM's whether in SGA or SG1, but yeh and they use it to power atlantis.

nemisis
May 7th, 2006, 02:01 PM
they will be able to make a zed.p.m i belive sooner than you think(i no ill get killed for sayin this)but it says in season 3 i think you all no about te asurans but it says that they have the cableity to make zed.p.m.s my idea is that its in part of there city-ship and they show us it then we fianly get back to atlantis we use are part to try and make some but havent anoth power then that part hapens to get destoyed when the asurans attack atlantis.

Avenger
May 8th, 2006, 01:06 PM
Not a ZPM, just a really really strong naq generator. A ZPM is a bit more complex, also it would ruin alot of the plot (same reason why they cant just make another generator).

They're completely different types of energy sources.

DrPepperJunkie
May 12th, 2006, 04:40 PM
i honestly can't see us being able to make a ZPM until a newer, more efficient power source is introduced. i mean, if we could make ZPMs at will, woudln't that be a little too convient story-wise? too many stories could be resolved by simply plugging in a ZPM.

NakedJehutyV2
May 12th, 2006, 04:49 PM
10-50 million years

2ndgenerationalteran
May 13th, 2006, 01:10 AM
short answer... no

reason, even though its less than 40 million years old we are far behind that, though the data base can give blue prints we dont know what that crap is and we have no one telling us if we are building it right

ascott08
May 13th, 2006, 03:04 AM
i think they may a factory, in a couple of seasons time and then uild one or two before it breaks/gets destroyed, just to get them out of an extreme situaion. probably once the current zpm runs out

oscar_skywalker
May 13th, 2006, 10:16 PM
Soon or late we would find where the ZPM produced by ancients, as we found where they build the gunship, so just matter of the time we would find it. and after we find if there are any ZPM ready we would pick them up and if there are any chance to produce more with current technology what ancient left we would produce more if wraiths give us a chance to do that.

Thatís all we see.

Ancient 1
May 15th, 2006, 06:13 AM
Just try to imagine how much older & advanced that Asgard race is compared to ours, and then realize that they still haven't figured it out. That said, I would measure our time to be in the thousands and thousands of years without the Asgard's help. :(

mancslad08
May 15th, 2006, 07:46 AM
Yeh I don't think that theyll be able to build one or very very long. The good thing about Stargate is that it is science fiction and fantasy that is set in our time here and now. If they are able to build an unbelievable power source it will make the show too futuristic. So I doubt that they'll be able build it for time. But I have no doubt that they will find ZPM's whether in SGA or SG1, but yeh and they use it to power atlantis.

Oh but learning how to and building enormous starship after starship in the space of a few years isn't unbelievable?

Trust me, knowing the writer's they'll reveal an easier way to make ZPM's when the story suits it.

IcyNeko
May 15th, 2006, 07:57 AM
Probably, but that'll kill the show.

Recall, Carter referred to Ancient tech as being waay out of our league to reverse engineer. :)

MiniHerc
May 15th, 2006, 10:53 PM
Of all ancient tech, one of the ones that gets me the most if the ZPM.
As Mckay said about recharging one, it's like recharging a universe, can't be done. So it will be interesting in the future to see how we end up magyvering one, man that's irony considering RDA is the best stargate character of all time.

I can honestly see the writers in the future bringing in some kind of primative version of a zpm, like mankinds first attempt at a real zpm, something really big that somehow plugs into altantis' zpm trinity. :thoranime09: ... :lol:

2ndgenerationalteran
May 16th, 2006, 02:30 AM
i dont think we will find a factory for ZPMs, they were valueable shown in 'Before i sleep' where the lantians had places where they had hid ZPMs. If they had a factory (which are used to mass produce things) theyd be spitting out new zpms very freaquently, which they didnt need to do because one zpm could last for thousands maybe even closing on to a million years with no defensive measures in place. but i still would have thought they would keep atleast one back up in the city.

Ancient 1
May 16th, 2006, 03:56 AM
I would agree that they won't find a wharehouse or factory for ZPMs anywhere near Atlantis. One industrial accident and there goes the solar system!

PyroSama
May 17th, 2006, 07:12 AM
"they were valueable shown in 'Before i sleep' where the lantians had places where they had hid ZPMs."

Wrong. That was an Atlantian outpost. Not a hiding place. That would have been military or scientific.

Production of a ZPM would not kill the story line, if introduced now will hurt the plot. However the toppic of Atlantis's ability to fly being brought up often one has to wounder if we will see the addition of one or more ZPM's to the collection on Atlantis and a venture into space by the city. Also with the ORI threat Earth will be needing a ZPM in the near future. So they will have to locate at least one more in the comming seasons.

One more thought... What about that nice little power source that Tolen had a technologically in superior race with a better power source? - I have not watched those episodes for quite some time so I'm going to have to dig out my dvd box set to do some fact checking.

- Scott

IcyNeko
May 17th, 2006, 07:23 AM
Too bad Tollana is a wasteland (thanks to Chancellor Travell!)

sgeureka
May 18th, 2006, 01:06 AM
The writers decide whether we'll be able to built a ZPM, not logic or ability.

I think at one point or another we'll be able to built a prototype ZPM that works for maybe one or two wormhole connections between Earth and Atlantis. Then it will take at least two years of study to build a ZPM that actually works. (Just think about how long it took to make the Prometheus fly between galaxies.) But then TPTB will invent a plot that requires yet another thing so that ZPMs are no longer of real use to us. (Like on SG-1, we first had Trinium, then Naqada, then Naqadria, and now the ZPMs.)

grub5000
May 18th, 2006, 01:22 AM
I reckon that there is a factory some where, not for mass production because they're obviously valuable, i think it took the ancients massive ammounts of their resources to make which is why there is so few, it's also possable that at some point suring the war it was destroyed.

As for bringing them into the story, not likely to happen soon, think about it, if they had just a few ZPMs they could:

*Power their BC-304s shields past the point of ORI/Wraith Vulnerability
*Power atlantis shields/cloak/drones/chair/city/engines/factory
*Travel between the galaxys in about 3 days
*gain instant both way stargate travel
*Use them as massive explossives lol, set 1 to blow and send it to a wraith planet ;)

I reckon it would ruin the story if they found a large number of ZPMs becuase it would make it almost easy for them to beat back the ORI/Wraith.

As for prototypes, maybe, i guess they can make more of those mark II naquada generators and even improve apon them so i think thats what will happen :)


On a side note, plug like 20 ZPMs into an asgaurd plasma weapon and fire it at the ORI? ;)

2ndgenerationalteran
May 18th, 2006, 01:50 AM
The writers decide whether we'll be able to built a ZPM, not logic or ability.

I think at one point or another we'll be able to built a prototype ZPM that works for maybe one or two wormhole connections between Earth and Atlantis. Then it will take at least two years of study to build a ZPM that actually works. (Just think about how long it took to make the Prometheus fly between galaxies.) But then TPTB will invent a plot that requires yet another thing so that ZPMs are no longer of real use to us. (Like on SG-1, we first had Trinium, then Naqada, then Naqadria, and now the ZPMs.)

but we didnt build the intergalactic hyperdrive the asgard did, they put it into ours, the asgards aboard our ship were there to help us opperate it, if we couldnt do it originally without their help, its quite obvious its nor a earth based technology.

i dont see us building zpms, i think we will find them or find some one who will supply us with them ( like if we reprogram the asurans to be friendly or we find a group of ancients who were cut off in the evacuation and stayed behind

Harekin
May 18th, 2006, 04:21 PM
They didnt hide the ZPM's. Janus gave her the gate addresses to planets that ZPM's were on. However they were not hidden and infact in most cases they were being used for something, except in Brotherhood.

2ndgenerationalteran
May 19th, 2006, 10:38 PM
showing their value, but i still the ancients left their city in hopes that they would come back, they didnt know when, so it would have been best if the brother hood zpm would have been left in the city. there had to have been a back up, like if the wraith ever found a way to hit the city on the bottom of the ocean they could need another zpm to give extra time

Avenger
May 21st, 2006, 09:35 AM
showing their value, but i still the ancients left their city in hopes that they would come back, they didnt know when, so it would have been best if the brother hood zpm would have been left in the city. there had to have been a back up, like if the wraith ever found a way to hit the city on the bottom of the ocean they could need another zpm to give extra time


Hiding it somewhere else makes a lot more sense. They can always go get it once they come back. Leaving it on the city would be dangerous because the ZPM would be there if the Wraith evr managed to get on Atlantis.

Harekin
May 21st, 2006, 04:25 PM
And why would they care? Most of the city needs to be activated by the ATA gene. It was convieniently when Sheppard started walking up the stairs in Rising that the lights on the stairs started switching on for example.

Avenger
May 22nd, 2006, 05:31 PM
You don't want to leave such a powerful power source where your emenies can get their hands on it.

Bizargorri
May 22nd, 2006, 11:25 PM
The Asurans(I think this is the name) know how to buil ZPM-s and they do it, so it has to be a sector in the Atlantis class ship/city -s to build them.



Sorry about my english, but I don't use it usually.

Avenger
May 23rd, 2006, 05:37 PM
Maybe, but that doesn't mean it works or we have the know-how to make it work. However, given the nature of ZPMs, they don't seem to something you want to be making in your basement. The risk seems like it would be really high if something were to go wrong.