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July 30th, 2004, 05:31 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 804</FONT>
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General O'Neill tries to settle into his new job, but faces never-ending crises -- including the capture of SG-1 by the Goa'uld.

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meimei
July 30th, 2004, 05:36 PM
The whole first scene had me hysterical!! It was like watching Radar and Col. Blake on MASH!!


Too much!!

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2004, 05:37 PM
Y'know, after the disaster that was last season, I wouldn't have thought it possible for the show to be able to recover, but I'm really liking S8 so far.

Zero Hour is lots of fun... and it still manages to have a serious storyline to it, too. LOVE that.

I guess there's a first time for everything. Although later eps could still derail things again. :P

DownFallAngel
July 30th, 2004, 06:00 PM
PIERCE!!!!!!! Damn he was cool. We need an avatar or two of him.

"Pusha!" loved that line.

Loki
July 30th, 2004, 06:00 PM
Very impressive. Gets the official Loki thumbs up of approval. :D

meimei
July 30th, 2004, 06:03 PM
I liked the way they covered the Abyss ep without getting to far into it. It was perfect having Reynolds tell whats-his-name about the incident!

meimei
July 30th, 2004, 06:05 PM
Y'know, after the disaster that was last season, I wouldn't have thought it possible for the show to be able to recover, but I'm really liking S8 so far.

Zero Hour is lots of fun... and it still manages to have a serious storyline to it, too. LOVE that.

I guess there's a first time for everything. Although later eps could still derail things again. :P
Come on, Shadow, surely the whole season wasn't a disaster. Heros was especially good. And I thought Lost City was good. Some of the eps were lacking but I already pre-ordered my DVD's.

DownFallAngel
July 30th, 2004, 06:05 PM
Very impressive. Gets the official Loki thumbs up of approval. :D

Does that really mean anything? lol.

Ummmm I liked this ep alot.

"...your big...and shiny shoes."

Nolamom
July 30th, 2004, 06:06 PM
I LOVED Walter having actual LINES to say. Loads of Jack, plenty of Siler too.

"Never mind." hehehehehe

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2004, 06:07 PM
Come on, Shadow, surely the whole season wasn't a disaster. Heros was especially good.
There were a handful of eps I saw that I liked, but in general, I stand by my opinion that most of S7 sucked. :P

I like S8 so far, though. The wit and the tension are back in the right proportions. So far. :P

meimei
July 30th, 2004, 06:10 PM
There were a handful of eps I saw that I liked, but in general, I stand by my opinion that most of S7 sucked. :P

I like S8 so far, though. The wit and the tension are back in the right proportions. So far. :P
Yeah, so far I'm loving this season! Let's hope it continues! I love Jack's sense of humor in this one. Especially when what's-his-name asked Jack if it was wise to antagonize Ba'al and Jack replied that "it's what I do".

Too funny!

She Lurks
July 30th, 2004, 06:16 PM
~~Well - gotta de-lurk sometime~~

LOVED it - very much fun. Although I wonder how an all-RDA-all-the-time ep figures into that complex formula that results in an RDA lite season (ooh - here I go, brand new and starting trouble already...) And wondering what was going on behind the scenes... T'ealc seemed to be doing a bit of almost inappropriate amount of smiling in this one.

(imagine a signature here...some day, if the AOL dieties smile on me, I'll acutally get one set up!)

Skydiver
July 30th, 2004, 06:35 PM
i about died when jack called camuls cammy...seeing as i was doing a play by play and called him the same thing :)

very enjoyable and one that needs a 2nd or 3rd watching jsut to get all the dialogue down

meimei
July 30th, 2004, 07:04 PM
As I am watching the opening scene again, I just remembered. Comparing Jack and Walter to Radar and Henry again. Radar's name was Walter as well. LOL! I hope we see more of this.

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2004, 07:05 PM
That was the best part of the entire ep. Well, that and the plant. ;)

DownFallAngel
July 30th, 2004, 07:09 PM
Jack to Baal: "Come on now....me mocking you? Thats my job."

I loved that line!!! (Kinda paraphrased)

David85
July 30th, 2004, 07:14 PM
Season 7 was crap and I was giving up hope, but this season rocks! I'm even taping it. I loved how Jack was in this episode and all the little things with joke, like the locking the people to talk, and the mocking part. Love it.

But they find a ZMP and not even mentain Atlantis. The first one had little power after it was used then they went to Atlantis with it. I mean that whole part makes me mad, mensain the damn thing!

Selmak
July 30th, 2004, 07:15 PM
The whole first scene had me hysterical!! It was like watching Radar and Col. Blake on MASH!!


Too much!!
that's exactly what I was thinking... it was very funny!

They call me Tim
July 30th, 2004, 07:25 PM
Season 7 was crap and I was giving up hope, but this season rocks! I'm even taping it. I loved how Jack was in this episode and all the little things with joke, like the locking the people to talk, and the mocking part. Love it.

But they find a ZMP and not even mentain Atlantis. The first one had little power after it was used then they went to Atlantis with it. I mean that whole part makes me mad, mensain the damn thing!


they did mention it...little "audit" dude said, "I know with that we could get back to Pegasus..."

kiwigater
July 30th, 2004, 07:25 PM
Yeah, so far I'm loving this season! Let's hope it continues! I love Jack's sense of humor in this one. Especially when what's-his-name asked Jack if it was wise to antagonize Ba'al and Jack replied that "it's what I do".

Too funny!

LMAO! Yeah, I was having a couple of Wormhole Xtreme flashbacks....
When they were trying to flame the plant all I could see was PDL going "Biggggerrrr!!!", and then Jack's "it's what I do...." :D :D

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Betcha Jack is a closet X-tremist. Or Wormy. Or whatever WX fans call themselves. ;)

kiwigater
July 30th, 2004, 07:35 PM
~~Well - gotta de-lurk sometime~~

LOVED it - very much fun. Although I wonder how an all-RDA-all-the-time ep figures into that complex formula that results in an RDA lite season (ooh - here I go, brand new and starting trouble already...) And wondering what was going on behind the scenes... T'ealc seemed to be doing a bit of almost inappropriate amount of smiling in this one.

(imagine a signature here...some day, if the AOL dieties smile on me, I'll acutally get one set up!)

Well, first off... WELCOME!
LOL, way to start out! Start an argument with your first post :p

Except I actually agree with you... I was thinking the same thing - how come we get all this RDA when he's only on set 3 days 3 weeks a month?? (keep it up!). I'll take as much Jack-out-of water as I can, saving up for later in the season.
*nods* Teal'c DID seem to be doing a lot of smiling... I'm often torn as to whether he is just bringing a wider emotion range into the character, or if he's trying hard not to crack up at some joke on set :D (BTW, was it just me or was Walter trying awfully hard not to crack up in the intro scene - loved the way he kept cutting Jack off, I don't think Jack got a full sentence in there! :p :D ).

hmmm, may as well add my remaining comments while I'm at it...
I did find myself wondering what the heck was happening to the rest of SG-1, and missing them. It's often through their interactions with Jack that I find the most humour - all Daniel has to do is look at Jack a bit cross-eyed and its hysterical (point in case the whole "who shot me scene" :D ).

Again, I managed not to get spoiled about the end (yay!). I thought it was very well done, leading us to believe one thing, and pulling a cut and switch at the end. I was certainly suckered (and in a good way).
OK, that's enough rambling from me, I'm curious to see what everyone else thought...???

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2004, 08:05 PM
Incidentally, I LOVED getting to see Cammy again (Camel-ass, hehe), but I think he was dumped off too quickly. Probably by necessity, given Bacic's commitment to Andromeda (wasting his talent there, IMO), but that doesn't mean I have to like it...

DownFallAngel
July 30th, 2004, 08:09 PM
Andromeda is a failing show....he should have come to SG1 full time.

It was good to see Major Davis once again. I was like..."Is that Davis!?!??!" when the gate opened for the ambassedors. I wa slike "HOLY CRAP IT IS!!!!"

David85
July 30th, 2004, 08:19 PM
they did mention it...little "audit" dude said, "I know with that we could get back to Pegasus..."


Really? I missed that? I watched it twise I should have heard that...


Andromeda only has one more season, that was already said, but so does SG-1, and that was already said 4 times already. :)




Yay! I'm a Death Glider Pilot now. I hate the Stupid Soldiers. :)

meimei
July 30th, 2004, 08:20 PM
they did mention it...little "audit" dude said, "I know with that we could get back to Pegasus..."
And Dr. Lee said something about they were going to send it to Antartica.

DownFallAngel
July 30th, 2004, 08:20 PM
Dr Lee said something along the lines of: "It has almost 50% power remaining....with that we could get back to the Pegasus Galaxy."

keshou
July 30th, 2004, 08:36 PM
Well that's three for three for season 8! Enjoyed this episode focusing on Jack's adjustment to taking over the SGC. Jack's wistfulness as he watched the team leave thru the gate and then his exasperation and discomfort at dealing with the day-to-day duties at the SGC were very well done. RDA seems to be enjoying the changes to his character.

We didn't get much of SG-1, but in return we got to see a lot of supporting characters highlighted and it was a lot of fun. Walter, Siler, Dr. Lee all had great scenes (and lots of lines!) and I thought Dr. Lee and "Seymour" were hysterical. And Siler and his flame thrower. :D Nice to see Davis again but blink and you'd miss him.

I rather liked Cammy and am sorry we didn't get to keep him around a little longer. Oh well, maybe he'll be back. Steve Bacic does well playing a sullen, superior system lord.

I really liked that they didn't forget the past in this episode. Last year when Jack met up with Ba'al it seemed like the experiences of Abyss were totally forgotten. This year, we get nice little nods to Jack's past with Ba'al. "Ba'al, you should know, of course I dare mock you". Cammy wasn't locked away after New Order and forgotten. The ZPM is discovered and they mention the chance to open the gate to the Pegasus galaxy. I feel like there's more attention being paid to the little details this year and it really makes a difference.

DJFavorite
July 30th, 2004, 09:02 PM
This was a great episode. I couldn't stop laughing at the begining. It was so Jack to see him dealing with the demands of the new job. :cool:

I missed the rest of the team though. It's tough going through an episode with out much Daniel. :(

Pegasus
July 30th, 2004, 09:41 PM
Well that's a twist - usually I'm asking "Where's Jack?", but this time it's "Where's SG-1?" Not that I mind - I'm one of those who can watch RDA/Jack type all day.:D

very enjoyable and one that needs a 2nd or 3rd watching jsut to get all the dialogue down
Definitely needs rewatching to catch all the references and in-house-jokes. I liked how all the "minor" characters had their little moments: I'd forgotten Radar's name was Walter - that's so funny! Jack giving his coffee to Siler and later on "Sorry Siler!" Hearing that musical motif from "Urgo" (I just love that episode!:p) and Jack calling Dr. Lee "Seymour" (imagine if that plant ever got up the elevator - yikes!). And should Major Davis really be involved in diplomacy (remember "48 Hours"?) and doesn't anyone out there in the galaxy have any fashion sense?!?:eek:

On a more serious note, looks as if Reynold's assuming the role that Jack had with Hammond. [Question: Is Reynold a Marine? I always thought he was Air Force - okay, maybe not.] I liked the scene in the gateroom when Jack is sobered by the thought that he's no longer responsible for just SG-1 and that he does command the loyalty and respect of all Stargate personnel.

And I really do hope that Jack is finally dropping the "dumb" act (take that Carter!) - Jack's THE MAN! :cool:

Yu Huang Shang Ti
July 30th, 2004, 10:47 PM
Yeah, Jack's command position seems to have put a little starch in his shorts, as it were. He's still the Jack we knew, but he's not laying on the "snarky airhead" with a trowel anymore. They kept telling us that he's smarter than he lets on... and now we can finally see it in action. All in all, a great, solid episode.

marimba26
July 30th, 2004, 11:08 PM
Two words about this ep:

LOVED IT!!!!

The best part--

JACK! JACK! and more JACK!! Gads, I've SOOOOOO missed him. Liked Jack in this ep. Funny but not too snarky. Seems like the PTB are making much better use of RDA this season. Loving that!

Loved the plant! Too funny! And Siler with a flame thrower!! ROFL!! Dr. Lee was his usual geeky self but i'm glad he's being used (he was pretty funny last season).

LOVED it that Chevron Guy and Siler had LINES! That Blake/Radar moment between Chevron Guy and Jack was hilarious!!!

As for season 7, I really liked it (LOVED Heroes and Lost City) but I think this one has potential to be even better... :D

Gilder
July 30th, 2004, 11:11 PM
I grinned all the way through. Better than last week's ep. Good to see so much of so many of the recurring characters.

marimba26
July 30th, 2004, 11:12 PM
Yeah, Jack's command position seems to have put a little starch in his shorts, as it were. He's still the Jack we knew, but he's not laying on the "snarky airhead" with a trowel anymore. They kept telling us that he's smarter than he lets on... and now we can finally see it in action. All in all, a great, solid episode.

I'm really glad we got to see Jack without seeing too much of *dumb* Jack. I can't stand *dumb* Jack! Nice to see him in control. :D

Sargent Prendegast
July 30th, 2004, 11:32 PM
I'm really glad we got to see Jack without seeing too much of *dumb* Jack. I can't stand *dumb* Jack! Nice to see him in control. :D

I'm glad they've toned that down to. As I've been watching repeats I've noticed that Jack has quite a few *Dumb* moments. At least for my taste, but this season he's been a lot better, including in the Atlantis premier.

As for the espisode, I loved it from beginning to end. The opening was hilarious. I love MASH and that scene was pulled right out from one of the episodes and done to perfection by RDA and Chevron Guy. I thought the plant growing out of control was cool, especially after the new guy asked Jack if it was safe. I don't remember the exact line. So far this seasons turning out pretty shabby and I hope it continues.

TameFarrar
July 31st, 2004, 12:14 AM
Well I was just happy all the way through.

Definitely love RDA heavy episodes and Jack was used well throughout the whole episode!!!

Really enjoyed the MASH homage being a HUGE MASH fan. Walter definitely deserved some lines after 7 years and he played them with gusto!! "We are REALLY glad you are Here" cracked me up! :)

I really enjoyed that Sam showed a bit of insecurity (temper) and that Daniel and Teal'c noticed. Also I LOVED the conference room scene Snippiness...new word of the day :)
Kind of cool how Jack was letting them know that the world *really* does not revolve around SG-1 (even though we want it to)

The plant growing every where was a nice and fun diversion. For an episode that had a lot going on this was a joy to watch RDA just has a natural flow that reminds me of why I like watching him so much.

At first I wasn't sure how I felt about the whole *Letter to Hammond* thing seemed a bit cheesy at first but in the end it was tied in nicely. With the Asst. letting Jack know he was indeed good enough to fill the big guys shoes just in his own way. :)

It may have been a bit easier to believe that this was all in a days work had we seen Hammond deal with THIS much before, but I guess with Jack things are always a bit over the top.

The Ba'al interaction was fun yet I think I wanted more closure about Abyss but it is only an hour show. Loved the Cammy a$$ reference ;)

and in the end Making the decision to trust Col Carter and open the iris said volumes and then the conversation regarding her evaluation made me laugh. Again reminded me why I just like watching the two of them on the screen together :D
Season 8 is shaping up to be a fun one and it looks like maybe Jack will not be used just for the one-liners!! and for THAT I am eternally grateful!! :)

Major Tyler
July 31st, 2004, 12:35 AM
I loved this episode! It was fun and fast-paced...a good introduction into the life of Hammond...uh, I mean, General O'Neill.

My question is, why didn't the Marines wear the MARPAT digital camo that we saw in "Rising, Pt. 1?" That would be really cool! Obviously if the Marines in Atlantis have the new camo (especially since it's superior in every way to their current camoflage) the Marines at the SGC would have them, too.

For more information on MARPAT, vist the following address:
http://www.hyperstealth.com/CADPAT-MARPAT.htm

For a look at MARPAT, here is an image:

http://img43.exs.cx/img43/5120/Fordcamo.jpg

Anthro Girl
July 31st, 2004, 01:59 AM
I haven't read this thread yet, but I thought I'd get my notes in. Apologies for duplicating what everyone else has already said.

- Loved Gary Jones' Radar O'Reilly homage. ;)
- Teal'c must've found the hidden supply of Happy Pills. :D
- Always great to see Reynolds and Davis! Reynolds even got some character development going!
- Great FX on the Al'kesh.
- The O'Brien segment looked much better in the final edit than it did on Late Night with Conan O'Brien.
- The "alien plant" looked like it came from the same nursery as the foliage in the Evolution "jungle"...complete with Dr. Lee, even! :p
- Major Davis still didn't get to go through the gate! :(

It was nice to see a good "O'Neill" episode again. I mean, the rest of the team was MIA for most of it. How often does that happen? :)

I'd comment more, but I've only had one pass at it...with a lot of RL interruptions, at that. Overall, it was a lot of fun to see the General in action and O'Neill is quite passable as a General. I do hope that's not the last we see of Baal. It can't be. He's such a great baddie! I like him better than Anubis!

Thumbs up! Thanks TPTB!

Anthro Girl
July 31st, 2004, 02:17 AM
Oh yeah...forgot.

Favorite lines (some paraphrasing):

Walter: I can't tell you how happy we are that you're here.

Daniel: You're just going to sit in here...
Carter: I'm not sulking.
Daniel: Working! I was going to say "working"...

O'Neill:
"I just don't have the design gene in me"
"Camel-ass"
"Cammy"
"...big and shiny shoes..."
And all time favorite:
"It's what I do."
(I am a total X-Tremist!!)

I'm glad Gilmore left at the end. Given what he was doing, maybe that means we'll be seeing more and more of Walter!! :D

This was a pretty tight episode. Lots of stuff going on. Lots of subplots. Just shy of too much stuff going on, but Cooper and Woeste did a great job on keeping it together and going. I'm glad we got a good O'Neill ep so early in the season after his obvious lack of presence in much of Season 7. Although I'm sure we'll start getting some RDA-lite eps, I think this General thing is going to be great! I can see how it would be easier to film more scenes as a General.

Jelmer
July 31st, 2004, 04:07 AM
Very good ep, one of those that gives a bit of a look into the things that mostly happen in the background. After reading the "Making of..." I must say I'm glad they didn't turn the plant into an episode, it was to similar to "Message in a Bottle" but as a C-plot it worked fine to show what a base-commander has to deal with. Also as mentioned before it was nice to finally see the probably record-holding-recurring-Sergeant getting some real lines and see that he does more than just pushing the gate buttons.

I regretted that it was Hammond who told Jack about the administrative aid, I had hoped he had figured it out himself, and I regretted that we didn't get to see the President endorsing Jack. On the good side it was nice to see his unorthodox but very smart tricks work out for Camulus and those idiots who came for a treaty. Other things I liked were the vote of confidence from Colonel Reynolds and Sam being called Colonel (I'm not sure but I can't recall her being called Colonel in the previous episode).

I got one problem with this episode, mentioned before: Camulus was an interesting character for switching sides and was dropped to quickly (but plausible).

Elfinwood
July 31st, 2004, 04:32 AM
Well I was just happy all the way through.

Definitely love RDA heavy episodes and Jack was used well throughout the whole episode!!!

Really enjoyed the MASH homage being a HUGE MASH fan. Walter definitely deserved some lines after 7 years and he played them with gusto!! "We are REALLY glad you are Here" cracked me up! :)

I really enjoyed that Sam showed a bit of insecurity (temper) and that Daniel and Teal'c noticed. Also I LOVED the conference room scene Snippiness...new word of the day :)
Kind of cool how Jack was letting them know that the world *really* does not revolve around SG-1 (even though we want it to)

The plant growing every where was a nice and fun diversion. For an episode that had a lot going on this was a joy to watch RDA just has a natural flow that reminds me of why I like watching him so much.

At first I wasn't sure how I felt about the whole *Letter to Hammond* thing seemed a bit cheesy at first but in the end it was tied in nicely. With the Asst. letting Jack know he was indeed good enough to fill the big guys shoes just in his own way. :)

It may have been a bit easier to believe that this was all in a days work had we seen Hammond deal with THIS much before, but I guess with Jack things are always a bit over the top.

The Ba'al interaction was fun yet I think I wanted more closure about Abyss but it is only an hour show. Loved the Cammy a$$ reference ;)

and in the end Making the decision to trust Col Carter and open the iris said volumes and then the conversation regarding her evaluation made me laugh. Again reminded me why I just like watching the two of them on the screen together :D
Season 8 is shaping up to be a fun one and it looks like maybe Jack will not be used just for the one-liners!! and for THAT I am eternally grateful!! :)

What Tame said. :D I enjoyed every loving minute of it.

The episode also reinforced my rather deep seated feelings that Jack/RDA is the backbone of Stargate. :)

keshou
July 31st, 2004, 06:29 AM
I regretted that it was Hammond who told Jack about the administrative aid, I had hoped he had figured it out himself......

I thought the same thing. This episode highlighted Jack's great gut instincts, natural leadership abilities and common sense smarts. I really expected the response from Jack (after the guy fessed up) to be......"yeah, I figured as much", not that he had heard about it from Hammond.

But all in all I remembered why I really love Jack in this episode. Add me to the list who is delighted they're toning down the "Dumb Jack" stuff. :)

One scene I forgot to mention that was one of my favorites was where Jack goes to the gateroom and sees Reynolds and the rest of the SGC teams assembled, ready to head out if Jack gave the word. RDA played the scene beautifully and it was a wonderful testament to the bravery of the SGC personnel, their confidence in Jack as their commander (which he needed at that point) and a nod to their "we never leave anyone behind" credo. Very nice.

nugglebugget
July 31st, 2004, 06:46 AM
Loved the "Radar" impression at the beginning.Great timing!

Jack locking the delegates in the room together like a couple of ill-behaved brats.Funny.
I liked "Camel-a$$" and the little smirk he gave Jack ..."It was worth a try..."

Thereis so much I liked,[I'd like to see "Cammy" back,though]that I can't list,but suffice to say it was well done.
The zoom in on the "never mind" was a really nice touch.I guess Jack feels better about the job now.

Nolamom
July 31st, 2004, 06:48 AM
It's pretty good when they start referencing themselves (instead of Wizard of Oz and Star Trek/Star Wars all the time). I loved the "It's what I do" line!

SensesFail062
July 31st, 2004, 07:12 AM
the best one is *look down at signature*

DownFallAngel
July 31st, 2004, 07:24 AM
Yea that was a good line. Heheh

ShadowMaat
July 31st, 2004, 07:33 AM
Your sig is a little bit spoilerly to those who haven't seen the ep yet. It's a good snippet, though. Just not one of my faves. ;)

Token
July 31st, 2004, 07:41 AM
Well I was just happy all the way through.Me too! Could you hear me? ;)



Definitely love RDA heavy episodes and Jack was used well throughout the whole episode!!!
Yes! YES! Excellent use of his time!



Really enjoyed the MASH homage being a HUGE MASH fan. Walter definitely deserved some lines after 7 years and he played them with gusto!! "We are REALLY glad you are Here" cracked me up! :)
I'm with you, my MASH buddy! I love Walter's lines! Remember "He's not like regular people." LOL!


I really enjoyed that Sam showed a bit of insecurity (temper) and that Daniel and Teal'c noticed. Also I LOVED the conference room scene Snippiness...new word of the day :)
Kind of cool how Jack was letting them know that the world *really* does not revolve around SG-1 (even though we want it to)
She seemed hesitant to stand up to Jack, and Daniel kept butting in. I was ready for Sam to give Daniel a look or something! I was thinking Jack was being overly cautious with SG1.


The plant growing every where was a nice and fun diversion. For an episode that had a lot going on this was a joy to watch RDA just has a natural flow that reminds me of why I like watching him so much.

At first I wasn't sure how I felt about the whole *Letter to Hammond* thing seemed a bit cheesy at first but in the end it was tied in nicely. With the Asst. letting Jack know he was indeed good enough to fill the big guys shoes just in his own way. :)
I thought it was odd at first because we had never seen anything like it before. However, it did remind me again of frequent MASH episodes. I guess I had MASH on the brain. :rolleyes:



It may have been a bit easier to believe that this was all in a days work had we seen Hammond deal with THIS much before, but I guess with Jack things are always a bit over the top.
I thought it was GREAT to see behind the scenes of the SGC. I guess now we know how Hammond lost his hair. :p


The Ba'al interaction was fun yet I think I wanted more closure about Abyss but it is only an hour show. Loved the Cammy a$ reference ;)
I thought Ba'al was more intimidating than Anubis as a hologram. Loved the interaction between Ba'al and Jack, and hope to see more.



and in the end Making the decision to trust Col Carter and open the iris said volumes and then the conversation regarding her evaluation made me laugh. Again reminded me why I just like watching the two of them on the screen together :D
Season 8 is shaping up to be a fun one and it looks like maybe Jack will not be used just for the one-liners!! and for THAT I am eternally grateful!! :)
Amen!! WooHoo!!! Dr. Lee was great too! So far for me, this was the best ep. of Season 8.

DownFallAngel
July 31st, 2004, 07:42 AM
Was Lee one of the other guys?

Lugal
July 31st, 2004, 07:43 AM
Great episode. The only thing I missed was the rest of SG1, but htis was basically a Jack episode, showing him settling into his new job. It was cool to see Major Davis, Reynolds and Dr. Lee again and the bit at the beginning with Jack and Chevron guy was great the MASH referance. It was cool to see Camulus (camal-ass) again, and I think Steve Bacic played it beautifully, especially the "prison" parts where he did the demeaned former system lord. I hope he could come back, but it doesn't look likely. :( I agree with Shadow, he's wasted on Andromeda.

Favorite lines

Chevron Guy: we are REALLY glad you are here

Gilmore: But General O'Neill hasn't slept in two days!
Dr. Lee: That's why you're going to tell him.

Jack: Baal, of course I dare mock you.

Delegate: You cannot expect us to share the same room!
Jack: Not amicably... At first.

ShadowMaat
July 31st, 2004, 07:45 AM
Lee has been in a few eps, most notably Paradise Lost and Evolution, but he wasn't one of THE "Other Guys". ;)

Mio
July 31st, 2004, 09:50 AM
I have to say that the plant is my favorite character.

DownFallAngel
July 31st, 2004, 09:56 AM
Lee has been in a few eps, most notably Paradise Lost and Evolution, but he wasn't one of THE "Other Guys". ;)


Thanks for clearing that up Maat. :D

TameFarrar
July 31st, 2004, 10:10 AM
<snip>I regretted that it was Hammond who told Jack about the administrative aid, I had hoped he had figured it out himself, and I regretted that we didn't get to see the President endorsing Jack. On the good side it was nice to see his unorthodox but very smart tricks work out for Camulus and those idiots who came for a treaty.<snip>

The way the scene played I got the feeling Jack was fibbing....that he had figured it out but he laid it on Hammond for telling him. All through the episode they would cut to Jack when the asst. would ask something Jack thought was a bit off. So my first thought was once again Jack was letting someone think he wasn't as clever as he really is.

ShadowMaat
July 31st, 2004, 10:54 AM
Couldn't he potentially get Hammond in trouble by doing that? Or did he take Gilmor to be a sincere convert to the Cult of Jack Worship and trusted him not to tell his superiors that "Hammond warned him"?

acdj31
July 31st, 2004, 11:38 AM
I loved this ep. I loved all the supporting characters: Reynolds, Davis, Walter (Chevron Guy), Dr. Lee, Gilmore and Stiler. I only wish Davis was in the show more.


It's pretty good when they start referencing themselves (instead of Wizard of Oz and Star Trek/Star Wars all the time).

Especially when Davis, Reynolds and Jack where talking about a rescue mission. I like how they talked about using the Tor’ka poison. I always wondered what happened to it. Also talking about Abyss and even referring to the Atlantis base, that was nice. ;)

If the rest of the season is like this ep. then I will really, really love Season 8. :D

Skydiver
July 31st, 2004, 11:42 AM
I have to say that the plant is my favorite character.

yeah, plant started off as not much, just a tiny seed of a role, but by the end, he'd really started to grow on me

sueKay
July 31st, 2004, 11:52 AM
But all in all I remembered why I really love Jack in this episode. Add me to the list who is delighted they're toning down the "Dumb Jack" stuff. :)


Add me to that list!

Jack has to be smart. To be a Colonel in the air force, you have to have a masters degree. I don't know what you need to be a general, but it'll probably be even more!

DownFallAngel
July 31st, 2004, 11:58 AM
yeah, plant started off as not much, just a tiny seed of a role, but by the end, he'd really started to grow on me

Grow on me! JOKE! Good one Skydiver.

Livi2Jack
July 31st, 2004, 12:06 PM
What a GREAT EP !!! Lots and Lots of Jack. And we had the real Jack. He was smart, Sexy, ahead of the game, snarky, competent, dedicated, and very human. And he smiled a few times. Yep. Great Jack ep. Long time no see 'um. Hurray for GENERAL Jack !

As for RDA. The man proved again he has a range in his acting talent.

Livi2Jack
July 31st, 2004, 12:08 PM
Couldn't he potentially get Hammond in trouble by doing that? Or did he take Gilmor to be a sincere convert to the Cult of Jack Worship and trusted him not to tell his superiors that "Hammond warned him"?
Oh c'mon, of course he knew it would be repeated. He has played the system by sending the message back that he KNEW...can't put one over on General Jack!

The surest way to know it would be repeated was to ask that it NOT be repeated.

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July 31st, 2004, 12:56 PM
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Liked it a WHOLE lot better than Lockdown(plus it had a lot more Jack in it and thats always a great thing!!).
LOVED the Walter scenes with O'Neill (I agree it was just like how Radar/Blake were)
Glad to see Davis back, Dr. Lee was good too.
Loved all of Jack's lines mostly (I know most of these have been mentioned):
-Its a plant!
-Snippiness!
-It's that damn plant!
-'Ol Camel A$$! (had me laughing the rest of last night into today. My coworkers thought I had finally lost my mind from all the stress! I so wanna know who's idea it was to put that in the script!)
-Ba'al, of course I dare mock you!!
-It's what I do. (LOVED that)
-sizable...and shiny shoes.
-Cammy
-Oh pishaw(sp?)!
-Teal'c said you were an animal. (ok mind went into gutter with that comment between J/S).

That plant idea was great, I liked how it wasnt just a plant episode (I think it would have 'warn out' its welcome after a while, meaning on screen)
Even though I knew O'Neill wasnt gonna retire, I still for some dumb reason thought he was gonna do it! We need to see more of Siler and Walter in future episodes they were both just too funny! Ok Teal'c and his smiling all though welcome, kinda creepy when they were in Carter's office!

DarkQuee1
July 31st, 2004, 01:05 PM
Well, first off... WELCOME!
LOL, way to start out! Start an argument with your first post :p

Except I actually agree with you... I was thinking the same thing - how come we get all this RDA when he's only on set 3 days 3 weeks a month?? (keep it up!). I'll take as much Jack-out-of water as I can, saving up for later in the season.


Because he's going to be a two-minutes or less presence in at least the next four eps.


J.

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July 31st, 2004, 01:50 PM
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Best ep of the season so far (I needed this to keep me going through at least the next 4. I may be pleasantly surprised, but right now they sound boring, unoriginal, going nowhere and way too Jack-lite). Like NO, this again reminded me that a strong Jack O'Neill presence is integral to the success of the show (and an ep) for me.


Loved the plant. :p Too bad we can't send *that* to the Goa'uld. (Liked the "Urgo" music playing over some of the plant scenes.) Loved the "Seymour" reference!

It's clear that Jack has instilled a certain, um, "respect" in his subordinates: neither Lee nor Gilmore particularly wanted to beard the cranky, two-days-without-sleep lion.

"He's not like other people." (Way to go, Walter!)

Got pretty ticked with SG-1 in general (and Daniel in particular) at the beginning. SG-1 seriously needs to get over itself. They were quite able to see that Jack was on the red phone, meaning he was talking to someone in Washington. Maybe he should have told the President or the Pentagon to buzz off, so that SG-1 wouldn't have to wait. And not only was Daniel "snippy", but he also jumped right over Sam when Jack addressed the question to her (as she is the CO of the team). At the very least, that was rude, and Sam did not seem too happy about it.

Interesting change in Jack the General from Jack the Colonel, who would probably also have been pushing to go sooner. Jack's learning caution.

Liked that Sam felt insecure after Jack wouldn't let them go through without SG-3 (and I liked that Teal'c and Daniel tried to help)--I suspect that Jack, sending SG-1 on what was probably it's first mission without him, was being a tad overprotective--and I think that Sam's actions on the planet were a reaction to these feelings. At the end, she indicated that she realized her mistake ( and, (a) I suspect it will never happen again, and (b) I'm glad that the writer recognized the problem) and I think this was the reason she didn't get reamed out by Jack. (Who actually got to say, "Pshaw.") That and the way she handled the ambush.

"Teal'c says you were an animal." :)

The scene between Jack and Sam was one I really liked. As I liked the scene in the gateroom with Reynolds and the base personnel. Very touching.
Also, the scene between Jack, Reynold and Davis, which emphasizes that Jack knows his stuff when it comes to military situations, the demands they entail and consequences of various actions in response.

Liked the letter to Hammond. "I would have tried *harder*."

Liked Jack's switch on the ZPM. Nailed Cammy, didn't he?

Overall, a very enjoyable episode.


J.

elhSG1
July 31st, 2004, 02:27 PM
This was a great episode, nice to see what Jack's day as a general is like, I'm sure it was the same for General Hammond as well when he was in charge. I liked how Jack was writing to Gen. Hammond sort of makes you feel like he is still on the show in a way. Also liked how Sergeant Chevron Guy err... I mean Walter had so many lines, that was cool! The scene at the end with Jack and Sam was nice, looks like they're both confident now in their new positions. I know I won't get too comfortable with Jack being on all the time because that will soon change, darn.

Ugly Pig
July 31st, 2004, 03:09 PM
I'm arriving late to the discussion, because - as usual - I didn't get to see last nights new episode before just now. I've tried to avoid reading anything that's been said about it since it aired, so everything I mention in this post has probably been debated to death already. Nevertheless:


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Zero Hour'

So: What does 'zero hour' mean, anyway? Must me some sort of term I'm not familiar with. Curse the non-English speaking ways of my people! (Not really.) No matter, the 'days' countdown was kind of neat if not very original (which was probably not the point anyway).

I was surprised at just how Jack-heavy last week's episode was. I wouldn't have guessed that this next one would be even more so. The entire episode revolved completely around General Jack. SG-1 were hardly even in it... Has there ever been an episode this Jack-centered?

Not that I'm in any way complaining. The episode rocked! Lots of 'life-around-the-SGC', we got to see how Jack is doing in the 'General' role, we got Baal (who prompted my favorite O'Neillism of the episode: 'Baal, come on. You should know. Of course I dare mock you.'), we got a surprise appearance by Dr. Lee (well, it was a surprise to me!), a brief surprise appearance by Major Davis (which I had definately not expected) and a darkly lit SGC overgrown with a weird-ass green alien plant. What's not to love here?

Another thing, though I expect everyone caught this already, was a line of dialogue which seemed to indicate that Earth still has regular contact with both the rebel Jaffa and the Tok'ra. Not bad. I guess that alliance is not completely dead. I wonder if we'll get to know more about this situation this season? Also of note regarding the Tok'ra: Earth has the Goa'uld symbiote poison, apparantly. Since this was mentioned and didn't really go anywhere, I wonder if this will play a larger part later on... Hmmm...

Well, that's enough rambling about my immediate post-viewing reaction. SG-1 rocked this week (in fact, every episode has rocked thus far this season! Yay!) and I have a new Atlantis episode to watch tomorrow. Life is good! :)

Major Fischer
July 31st, 2004, 03:40 PM
[QUOTE=Ugly Pig]So: What does 'zero hour' mean, anyway? [QUOTE]

It's a reference to the time of the President's visit, not explained well in the episode, don't feel like you should have got it.

Ugly Pig
July 31st, 2004, 03:44 PM
Y'know, after the disaster that was last season, I wouldn't have thought it possible for the show to be able to recover, but I'm really liking S8 so far.
Maybe season 7 was bad* because the series got renewed too late for the writers to properly plan it. With season 8, they knew it was gonna happen before season 7 even aired.

* Of course, I know season 7 wasn't bad. I'm just playing into your delusions. :p


It's a reference to the time of the President's visit, not explained well in the episode, don't feel like you should have got it.
Ahhh. Thanks. :)

ShadowMaat
July 31st, 2004, 03:45 PM
From dictionary.com

zero hour n. The scheduled time for the start of an operation or action, especially a combat operation of great size. Also called H-hour.

n. The time set for the start of an action or operation

Ugly Pig
July 31st, 2004, 03:49 PM
zero hour n. The scheduled time for the start of an operation or action, especially a combat operation of great size. Also called H-hour.

n. The time set for the start of an action or operation
Ahh. Well, that makes sense. And the "operation or action" in this case was obviously the President's visit. Got it now. :)

ShadowMaat
July 31st, 2004, 03:56 PM
Ahh. Well, that makes sense. And the "operation or action" in this case was obviously the President's visit. Got it now. :)
Just to put it in context for you. ;) It's military slang.

As for the "poor planning" of S7, I still say that excuse only works for so long... and it doesn't explain why, with few exceptions, the entire season was weak. My opinion, of course, but there ya go. :P

Tokraed
July 31st, 2004, 04:33 PM
The way the scene played I got the feeling Jack was fibbing....that he had figured it out but he laid it on Hammond for telling him. All through the episode they would cut to Jack when the asst. would ask something Jack thought was a bit off. So my first thought was once again Jack was letting someone think he wasn't as clever as he really is.

I can see Hammond telling Jack that there was someone coming to evaluate him for the President. Jack is, after all Hammond's protege. He wants Jack to succeed and knows Jack can do the job. However, I don't think Jack knew about it until he got that call from Hammond just before the briefing with SG1, though I think Jack was naturally suspicious when he was assigned a CIA spook by Hammond.

Maybe it's just me ... and it probably is ... but I have never seen Jack as being dumb. His quick wit and sharp tongue throughout the entire series is proof of his intelligence and cleverness. Playing dumb, goofy or even provoking someone -- in some instances -- is a good way to size up a person and Jack is very good at measuring people.

As long as things are in his area of expertise, Jack is extremely quick. If it's out of his field, it takes him a while to pick up on things. Remember, he is the commanding officer and in charge of the entire team. He doesn't HAVE to be up on the last developments in the field of astrophysics or study ancient languages and cultures. He delegates that authority to the authorities, which is Sam and Daniel. Jack's job is to separate the wheat from the all the technobabble chaff in order to get the job done. During the course of the series, Jack has started to pick up more and more on what Sam and Daniel are doing, but he still has to balance that with the needs of the entire team and the mission.

The problem with Jack as General O'Neill is that he's now stuck with all those boring, dull, tedious jobs that make sure all that chaff is properly swept up and that the wheat is put to good use, which is all the things he used to play dumb about to get out of doing when he was just a Colonel.

This was a great episode for Jack's character development. He was thrown into the deep end of the Responsibility Pool. SG1 couldn't help him out and Hammond couldn't shield him. I thought one of the best bits in the show [and the show was fantastic] was Jack's writing the letter to Hammond and being called into the Gate Room to find out he had the support of the entire SGC, no matter what he chose to do.

ShadowMaat
July 31st, 2004, 04:53 PM
OK, did I miss something or is the info on eBay wrong?

Stargateprops/Legends Memorabilia has another Stargate auction going. One of the items being auctioned is a distressed technician's costume (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4027969245). It says it's from Zero Hour, but I'm guessing it might be from Avatar, so I'm gonna include SPOILER SPACE for that ep just in case.
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This terrific costume was one of two received from the SG-1 costume department with the following identification 'EP 805' Zero Hour ' B Camera Roll ' Piere Bernard ' Technician #2 ' Blasted & Bloody'. As we have only a preliminary outline of this episode, which indicates Piere Bernard portrayed character 'Sergeant O'Brien', we can offer no additional information on the character or scene(s) in which this costume was utilized. The costume is a navy blue overall complete with adjustable waist, multiple pockets and zippers. Velcro areas for patches are evident, but no patches were received. As both costumes was received 'distressed' with faux blood and multiple bullet/blast or knife holes, we presume that both were definitely screen used.

Piere Bernard was the Recliner of Rage guy, right? And he was in Zero Hour? But did I fall asleep and miss his climactic death scene or is this from another ep? I know (or suspect) there are a lot of people getting "killed" in Avatar. Is it possible that Piere is gonna be in TWO eps, or is this maybe someone else's uniform? Like Wally's? :D

Either that or there is some very interesting stuff cut out of Zero Hour. ;)

Major Fischer
July 31st, 2004, 05:12 PM
He was killed in a skit for the Conan O'Brian show, not in Zero Hour. It could be seen in the Lowdown special. All he got to do in Zero Hour was say "Unschedualed Offworld Activation."

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July 31st, 2004, 05:13 PM
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OK, are we supposed to be puzzled by this or do we know what this is about? Is it about the zero hour visit and the bunting and all that?

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ShadowMaat
July 31st, 2004, 05:17 PM
I wondered about that "secure military facility" business, too.

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Major Fischer
July 31st, 2004, 05:18 PM
Suspect that was secret service.

Anthro Girl
July 31st, 2004, 05:36 PM
Ahh. Well, that makes sense. And the "operation or action" in this case was obviously the President's visit. Got it now. :)
Somewhere along the line, I saw a blurb about this episode that said something like "preparing for an important visit..." Good thing, too. Otherwise I would have been scratching my head about the "Four Days to Zero Hour" business. ;) I've only seen it once. Maybe I missed something...

TameFarrar
August 1st, 2004, 01:00 AM
Couldn't he potentially get Hammond in trouble by doing that? Or did he take Gilmor to be a sincere convert to the Cult of Jack Worship and trusted him not to tell his superiors that "Hammond warned him"?
QUite possibly he *did* want it to get back to someone...but I don't think it was really meant to go that far, just to do what it did. Make the Asst. kind of question whether or not Jack *really* knew or if Hammond *really* told him. I don't think the writers intended it to be more than that IMHO. At least that is how the whole scene played out to me personally :)

Torley
August 1st, 2004, 03:08 AM
That was a neat inversion -- plenty of O'Neill and little of the rest of the team! I didn't expect that, actually. Ha ha.

Funny how Jack namedropped Krispy Kreme donuts too... what was his exact line again?

SaharaGate
August 1st, 2004, 07:19 AM
Well, like everyone else, I LOVED that ep!! :D

It was like having an intravenus injection of Jack in preparation for all the jack-liteness coming up!

Since I'm coming in late, everything has mostly been said. So I won't bore anyone with any in-depth analysis or anything.

But I will say that this episode made me appreciate Hammond a whole lot more, and basically fulfilled every wish I could have had for an episode such as this. Great recurring characters, great lines, great Jack, realistic doubts...the plant

LOVE IT!

Newbie
August 1st, 2004, 08:44 AM
oky i loved the ep but only after i actually watched it. the beginning was slow for me...and i didn't really like it...in the middel it picked up and i was like...so what's gonna happen?! and in the end after plots holes were adresed I was like, WOW, I love this EP!!! It's cool that they made Jack Episode...good for the show!!! :D I hope they will get their way with that ZPM! ;)

taupecat
August 1st, 2004, 10:11 AM
I've only skimmed a few messages, but as always I'm itching to run down a few thoughts....

1) This wasn't a Jack-heavy ep... this was a Jack-intensive ep. I think there were maybe 2 scenes he wasn't in. But why do I feel we've used up all of our RDA minutes for the season?

2) And by contrast, I'm kinda missing the remaining members of SG-1. I'm still waiting to see Carter in take-charge command mode. I know, patience grasshopper.

3) I think Walter & Siler had more lines this ep than in the previous seven years combined, and I loved it! Loved the "no offense, Siler"/"None taken" bit.

4) Could've done without the "da da DAAAAA" dramatic music when the aide guy first left Jack and called the prez. There was enough stuff going on in the ep that I didn't need to be suspicious of him.

5) Screw the wrench. Siler should fix *every* problem with a flame-thrower.

6) <sigh> While I love Maj. Davis (when can I make him my avatar?!?!), this was just not his ep. I think I'll go back and watch Tangent or Descent.

7) Nice way to end the ep. Very Jack-like.

8) Oh, almost forgot... Pierre Bernard (the O'Brien guy) didn't suck *too* badly. The final cut of that scene made far more sense than what they showed on Late Night.

taupecat
August 1st, 2004, 10:22 AM
From dictionary.com

zero hour n. The scheduled time for the start of an operation or action, especially a combat operation of great size. Also called H-hour.

n. The time set for the start of an action or operation

Yes... well, it's probably a military term too which is why they used it in the ep. I was a little unconfortable with it though, esp each time they did "three days to zero hour" etc b/c it's how the terrorists referred to 9/11. But I guess that's just me.

Bandersnatch
August 1st, 2004, 11:26 AM
Hello Campers,

Hmmm... my two cents on "Zero Hour" -- it wasn't too shabby all around. Personally I think there were too many commercials, but I think I'm spoiled with the DVDs. The humor is there (thank the stars) the Krispy Kreme donuts, the "Little Shop of Horrors" bits, and the magnifying glass routine -- yeah, I was laughing. For the DVD release of this episode (nothing like being optimistic/impaitent about the future!) it would be interesting to have RDA's commentary -- if it's something he'd be willing to do.

Does anyone else notice that the episodes in this season are a little on the light side? Maybe it's the sci-fi channel or my TV, but all the SGC scenes seem to have a warmish glow to them that's lacking in the other seasons. Maybe they're filling on different film. I don't know. Not important, I'm sure.

But yes, "Zero Hour" -- I'm impressed, happy, and looking forward to next week!

VirtualCLD
August 1st, 2004, 12:56 PM
Not much to say that hasn't been mentioned by others. Like most people, I loved this episode. I was a little confused about the zero hour refference, it seemed a little off, refferring to only the president's visit. Loved the dialogue and screen times for Walter and Walter and Siler. After having SMed "Little Shop" last year, I couldn't stop laughing at the "Seymour" refference. I kept singing "Feed Me, Seymour" in my head durring commercials. With that having been said, I am really looking forward to the continuation of Season 8.

SaharaGate
August 1st, 2004, 03:55 PM
Well, it's the morning after 'Zero Hour' and I'm STILL simling.

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And I just thought of another thing I loved about the episode.

While we may have missed SG1 while they were missing in action, I think it was absolutely necessary for them not to be around while Jack was going through his personal 'I can't do this...can I?' crisis. I think the powers made exactly the right call on this. If Jack had had Daniel, Teal'c and Sam to go to for advice or to talk him through his self-doubt, it would seem like the SGC was being run by General Jack and his team, not General Jack the competent leader.

We had to see him break free of his little support group and have to face these challenges on his own, bearing the full brunt of responsibility.

And I LOVE the powers for making it a struggle and not just getting on with run-of-the-mill episodes, expecting the viewers to just accept that 'of COURSE O'Neill is a good general. He's the leading cast member'.

And I also love that Carter has similar insecurities...maybe we'll see more of that later on in the season. And I agree with whoever said it that it will be great to finally see Carter in real kick-butt command mode :D

OhForCryinOutLoud
August 1st, 2004, 07:57 PM
Yes, I enjoyed this ep too - well said, all!
Other things I noticed
- I like seeing 'young Hammond' (actor from 1969), it's almost like having Hammond around!
- And - oops - I thought Col. Reynolds was dead! What was the last ep we saw him in? Guess he's not quite dead yet! ;)

Newbie
August 1st, 2004, 08:03 PM
the funny thing is that I didnt' realise that it was 'young Hammond'.. i was like i know that dude...oh well...cool...and i do not remember Reynolds...must have not seen the eps with him...or didn't pay much attention... :(

KorbenDirewolf
August 2nd, 2004, 11:21 AM
Was Lee one of the other guys?

Dr. Lee first showed up in "Prodigy" if I recall correctly. I think he's an archaelogist of some sort.

MasterPower
August 2nd, 2004, 11:24 AM
Zero Hour was kinda disappointing.
I didn't find it that interesting.
Lockdown is probably the best season 8 episode so far.
Althouth the scenes for next weeks episode, Icon, looked really good.

marimba26
August 2nd, 2004, 01:39 PM
One scene I forgot to mention that was one of my favorites was where Jack goes to the gateroom and sees Reynolds and the rest of the SGC teams assembled, ready to head out if Jack gave the word. RDA played the scene beautifully and it was a wonderful testament to the bravery of the SGC personnel, their confidence in Jack as their commander (which he needed at that point) and a nod to their "we never leave anyone behind" credo. Very nice.

I liked that scene, too. I thought it showed great confidence in Jack's ability to lead.

I did like the nod to "Abyss" when Reynolds told Gilmore off in Jack's office. I was touched when he said that the rest of SG-1 never gave up on him and he wouldn't give up on them. It was a nice reference to one of my all-time fave eps.

marimba26
August 2nd, 2004, 01:50 PM
I agree with Shadow, he's wasted on Andromeda.

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Delegate: You cannot expect us to share the same room!
Jack: Not amicably... At first.

That part with the bickering delegates was great! SOOOO funny and not too over the top! Leave it to Jack to lock them in a room together until they work it out. :D

greytop
August 2nd, 2004, 02:19 PM
This one was okay. I like it when Jack put the squabbling reps into a locked room for a couple of days. His methods were not orthodox but they get the job done.

The other was the talk between Walter and Jack in the beginning. It reminded me of M*A*S*H.

Livi2Jack
August 2nd, 2004, 06:27 PM
Yes, Abyss was some of RDA's best acting on the series. But Zero Hour wasn't far behind. Loved the Jack ep. Been after Malozzi to make one. Just hope we haven't lost all our Jack moments for the rest of the year.

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ShadowMaat
August 2nd, 2004, 06:29 PM
Might want to add spoiler warnings to your last post, there, Livi2Jack...

aeromathlete
August 2nd, 2004, 09:09 PM
I LOVED this ep, and I am SO MAD at my VCR for messing up my recording. I have chipmunk-voice audio! :eek: So yeah, I'll have to wait until it re-airs. Which will be a long time from now, I bet. grr...

greytop
August 3rd, 2004, 06:11 AM
Question? :S

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Is Gilmor going to be assigned to the SGC?

At first I wasn't going to like him but he grew on me in Zero Hour.

ShadowMaat
August 3rd, 2004, 06:16 AM
He was on temporary assignment. He was leaving at the end. "My work here is done" sorta thing.

Like I said, Wally's gonna be stuck with O'Neill for a while longer, methinks. ;)

Newbie
August 3rd, 2004, 12:35 PM
oky i was talkin about on Anibus' forum and I need help...Does anyone know were I can get a copy of Jack's resignation paper? It's funny! I really loved how it ended - "Never mind."!!! so any one knows?

Jafana
August 4th, 2004, 01:01 AM
Screw the wrench. Siler should fix *every* problem with a flame-thrower.

LMAO!!!! thats exactly what I was thinking! there is nothing better than a flame thrower!

But I really loved this ep. It really builds the character of O'Neill as General, which I definately think was necessary.
He is not really suited for the job straight out, and there were always going to be problems. I'm really glad that we got to see them. I only hope that it continues or pops up every now and again.

Jack, being Jack is going to get extremely frustrated about things happening - particularly not being able to go offworld... While I don't want the entire season to be like that, I only hope that we get to see at least glipses of it in the future. Also perhaps the necessary isolation of such a position. He was always the superior officer for SG1, but I think that this position puts him even more so in a isolated space. SG1 will always be his friends, but he's ultimately got to face much of what's ahead alone.

daredcrescent
August 4th, 2004, 03:45 AM
I just read EVERY single comment about this episode that you people have posted here. :p

So there's not much for me to say anymore.

Exept that I simply LOVED this episode. Though I'm feeling for Jack that he couldn't go with his team off-world.

Do you think there will be more eps where the 4 of them will actually go off-world all together?

I'd love to see one of those.

The plant was great! Ba'al was fabs! Much better than Anubis. Dr.Lee was really funny and Siler and Walter were absolutely fabulous! :D

Can't wait for more!

Cheers to you all!

Ugly Pig
August 4th, 2004, 11:27 AM
I just read EVERY single comment about this episode that you people have posted here. :p

So there's not much for me to say anymore.
See, that's why I don't read anyones comments about a new episode before I've already posted my own. :D

Newbie
August 4th, 2004, 11:53 AM
I don't think much people actually DO read prewievs posts, I, like, read the last 10-5

daredcrescent
August 4th, 2004, 11:58 AM
Well I'm one of those people who do read them. :p

They are actually really interesting.

Ugly Pig
August 4th, 2004, 12:06 PM
I, too, go back and read previously posted comments after I've posted my own. Usually.

Anthro Girl
August 4th, 2004, 12:08 PM
Same here. I try to post my comments before reading everyone elses, with apologies, of course. :) Mine are never original. :o

Ugly Pig
August 4th, 2004, 12:32 PM
Same here. I try to post my comments before reading everyone elses, with apologies, of course. :) Mine are never original. :o
Whaddoya mean, "try"? It's very easy if you do what I do: I don't even open the thread before I have my comments all typed up. :D

Anthro Girl
August 4th, 2004, 06:37 PM
Whaddoya mean, "try"? It's very easy if you do what I do: I don't even open the thread before I have my comments all typed up. :D
Sometimes I suffer writer's block, okay?! :p

napa244
August 5th, 2004, 08:37 AM
Zero Hour and Zero roles for actresses. Some of those roles could have been played by a woman, but all speaking parts, except for Sam, were for men. It's been a bad trend lately. Sam is the only female scientist, there seem to be no female archaelogists (Dr. Lee is a jack of all trades and doesn't seem very useful), and there are no women in the control room or the gate room. (Yeah, they panned two women when they all showed support for O'Neill - big deal). It was an okay episode that will probably grow on me, but I'd like to see women have a more active part on this show.

Elwe Singollo
August 5th, 2004, 09:57 AM
Since Sam is a pretty high in command now, as well being a scientist, i would think she is enough for me, haha. they probably just don't show the other women, there was another female scientist in Avenger 2.0, but i don't know, what makes it a bad trend?

Newbie
August 5th, 2004, 10:38 AM
There is a female docotor...and nurses...and I'll bet you can see some female officers runing around...

Chirp
August 5th, 2004, 04:19 PM
This was one of the funnyest on my season8 list :cool: I put my episodes in catagoreys. The lines are so funny, and Ba'al, Jack telling him we can't dial out :eek: are you kidding me. You might as will tell him here we are come and get us. :D , but waite earths got that Anubus "but killer ass gun" :cool: never mine.I don't know about you gals but,I don't think I can take to much of Jack in dress uniform, it dose take my breath away :o :p He can command me any time :D

Sicarius
August 9th, 2004, 03:35 AM
The last episode that had me grinning as much as this one did was Fragile Balance. Before that...hm, have to go back a few seasons. I really enjoyed it.


Zero Hour and Zero roles for actresses. Some of those roles could have been played by a woman, but all speaking parts, except for Sam, were for men. It's been a bad trend lately.

You know, you're right. They should do more female roles. There's a gap back at base (S. 7 spoiler in white)now that Frazier's gone . Off the top of my head, I can't even think of any other women besides Carter and the girl from Prodigy that have gone off world. Ok, and the Russian woman in Tomb... I guess there have been some, but few and far between.

Although, given the US bent toward women in combat units, I suppose we should be happy that any women get to go off world at all;) Those guys see way more firefights than any Navy SEAL ever would.

greytop
August 9th, 2004, 10:04 AM
- The "alien plant" looked like it came from the same nursery as the foliage in the Evolution "jungle"...complete with Dr. Lee, even! :p

If Dr. Lee is becoming a recurring character, he is going to remind me of McKay, (in a good way) a pain in the b***. :D

Elwe Singollo
August 9th, 2004, 10:08 AM
But the difference between Lee and Mckay, i've always liked Lee better :)

Livi2Jack
August 10th, 2004, 11:45 AM
I think the Hammond told him bit could also have been After he was approved but before Gilmore confessed. Except for the don't tell anyone remark...which could just have been Jack being glib.

Albion
August 25th, 2004, 05:26 AM
Not only is this my favourite episode of S8 so far (and to date I'm loving this season), but it has to rank among the top five favourite ever for me.

I don't think there was a single moment that I didn't like. Superb. Too many favourite bits to mention, I'll just content myself by saying it was inspired with all of the separate elements gelling wonderfully.

Loved the scene with the guys taking time to go offer a shoulder to Sam. I love that kind of thing, where they show they care about one another. And I just adore the penultimate scene between Jack and Sam. There were times in S7 where Jack seemed to have lost the spark with Sam. I often found him quite cold towards her and he seemed disinterested, even embarrased by her whenever she attempted to connect emotionally with him. How wonderful it was to see that glint of amused affection in his eyes again at the end of this episode. How I've missed that.

It was terrific to see Walter doing more than just sitting at the gate controls. And how wonderful that so far that's continued into the season. More of that please, if you're listening, TPTB. It was also nice to see more of Doctor Lee and his interactions with Jack were hilarious.

I was kind of disappointed that the aide left at the end - I was getting used to him, but then without him Walter gets more screen time, so I can't be too sad about his departure. <G>

Wonderful episode. And one I'll be revisiting often when I need cheering up!

EDIT: Just had time to go read previous comments. Re the scene with 'John' at the beginning. Yes, it wasn't explained very well, but he was the secret service guy doing the sweep of the base to ensure it was secure before the President set foot on it. Jack's comment about 'you do know this is the most secure base in the country' was him pointing out that such a sweep was pretty much superfluous and I guess a slight complaint that he was having to deal with something this useless on top of everything else he had going on. The secret service guy, of course, was having none of it. As they do. <g>

On the term Zero Hour - I spent the episode assuming it was counting down to the President's visit. I read a poster on one of the other forums comment though that it could also have been a reference to counting down to the zero hour of Jack deciding whether to resign or not. Which I kind of like too. Cute idea. So now I watch the episode and like to think it might be both of those.

Re the poster who wants to see the entire letter from Jack to Hammond. Me too! I want to know what the heck that reference to papercuts was all about for a start. LOL! And there's a line that begins that paragraph which seems to say "I miss being..." but the last word of the sentence is too smudged to read. Boy, am I curious as to what that one was. If anyone from TPTB is listening here - you could include a transcript of the whole thing on the DVD. <hint>


Albion :)

zats
September 10th, 2004, 07:44 PM
This one rocked!

Really rocked!

Okay, now that I'm over my euphoria, I can proceed to the actual shredding...

Things that were good:

a. Davis and Jack interaction. It's about time we saw more of that guy! (My friend calls him "the guy with the peanut-shaped head.")

b. The plant. I swear, I will never, ever, ever look at my mother's English ivy the same way again.

c. Jack's sort-of resignation. Okay, I'm split on this. It was funny, and matched his character perfectly (the "just kidding" was a touch of genius, kudos to whomever thought that up")...but I was sort of sad when didn't resign. Yes, fine, I'm still in denial about RDA allegedly leaving at the end fo the season. Rejoin SG-1, darn it!

d. Ba'al. That guy is FUNNY. From my point of view anyway, but then I crack up everytime Apophis shows up again. Forgive me, for I dost sinned...and the ZPM hoax was good. I did NOT see that coming.

Things that were bad:

a. None off the top of my head...

Ah, well. That about does it for this ep.

shelsfc
October 26th, 2004, 02:04 PM
I see what people meant when they said the Jack/Walter at the beginning was like Henry/Radar!!
Walter is very cool - why does he not get more lines?!? "Actually, he's not like other people." LOL!!

A little bit of Jack/Daniel banter at the briefing, that's always nice!!

Also good to see Dr Lee & Major Davis again. :D

Poor Jack, it must be really hard for him to watch his team have all the fun while he sits at a desk and does paperwork.

It bothers me a little bit that Sam doubts her abilities as a commander, but I think she'll get over that pretty quickly. It was nice to see Daniel & Teal'c trying to comfort her though...

Nice little speech by Col. Reynolds about Jack being tortured by Ba'al and how he, SG1 and everyone else on the base would not give up on someone in that situation.
I'm glad they did address, even if it was just a little bit, the fact that Jack was captured & tortured by Ba'al.

I did like the stuff between Jack & Ba'al. "Of course I dare mock you!!"
'Is it really wise to provoke him?' 'It's what I do.'

Jack's letter to Hammond was so sad...'the regret is not so much about the resigning part but the fact that I was deluded enough to think I had possessed even one iota of the ability needed to fill your sizeable and shiny shoes' Aww....poor Jack. And then 'Never mind' at the end of it...

I could have sworn I heard Jack's voice quiver when he was dismissing Col. Reynolds after SG3 came back SG1-less.
Then when he was loking at Teal'c & Daniel's names on their lockers, the look on his face was just heart-breaking.

Also, yay for Pierre Bernard!! :D

Nice little bit of S/J ship at the end too. :)

Great episode. :D

Anubis
October 26th, 2004, 02:26 PM
Truly a great episode, loved it, couldn't be any better than it was. ;)


The Plant: Well, there is something I never thought I'd see. But the look on Jack and Dr Lee's faces when it took up an entire level was just great. A typical 'Jack-like' scene.


Ba'al was great. If he's this good now, I can't wait to see him in the future episodes. The way he bribed the SGC into thinking he had SG1, it was really sly.


Camulus. I was happy to see him return, but it's a shame that he went with that fake ZPM.


The ZPM. I liked how it glowed, and the different parts of the story really had me fooled, for a first (seems reading no spoilers pays off). ;)

Matt G
October 26th, 2004, 03:19 PM
Well, I must say I had very few spoilers for this ep.

1. Jack's not used to being a general yet. Heck I'm not used to him being a General yet!

2. A Little Shop of Horrors reference! Bloody hell, that took me back at least five years!

3. I wasn't honestly sure who the heck Gilmore was supposed to be - it would probably have been better for him to have hung around as a mole of some kind. That last scene between him and Jack came accross as pretty cheap IMO.

4. Jack had clear heard about the stunts Weir pulled in New Order and decided he wanted to outclass her! He did a pretty good job!

tara3583
October 26th, 2004, 09:00 PM
Wow for RDA light season there was alot of
Jack in this one!:)
loved the plant and to be honest i was waiting
for it to grab somone and eat them!LOL
This one really did bring out alot of feelings
in the team,Jack being overwalmed and writing
that letter to Hammond to resign, it must be
very hard to full into a man of "paperwork"
rather than man of action, very nicely played
by RDA.
Sam also having doughts about her albility to
lead, all in all nice lead in for all these
changes.

Madeleine
October 26th, 2004, 09:49 PM
Fourth - no, sixth ep in a row I've liked lots, and sixth in a row I've been pleasantly surprised by.

I wouldn't have noticed it was SG-1 lite if I hadn't been spoiled for it, the rest of the stuff was so good. As in Heroes1 there was a lot of 'little stuff' happening, but this time it was all funny little stuff, good interesting little stuff - and the guest character was pretty unobtrusive. Nice to see Walter and Siler. Nice to see Lee as well, although he's been pretty much a xeno-engineer so far, so it's hardly a surprise that he can't control a plant (Yay for the plant! Funniest thing in ages :))

Jack was super. As irreverend as ever, and still with his trademark silliness, but it was *intelligent* silliness - like when he locked the bickerers in a room. Nice to see the other SG teams holding him in such high regard; he deserves it, and this ep showed some of the reasons.

Terok
October 27th, 2004, 01:35 AM
An average episode for me. I realise the type of episode they where trying to make, focussing on Jack adjusting to his new role in charge, but for the most part found it very slow. I was hoping that the episode was going to follow SG-1 (had they been captured by Baal) as well as continue following O'Neill just to add some action.

But I did like all the typical O'Neill humour, his way of dealing with Baal and the stuff with Walter.

They gave 'Pegasus' a mention, though it's a good job they didn't use the ZPM straight away to contact them, but you'd think it would be on their list of priorites to check in with the Atlantis team as soon as they could.

One thing that I'm not quite clear on, was Camulus working with Baal in an attempt to get Earth to use the bad ZPM to blow itself up?

mishy_mo
October 27th, 2004, 05:44 AM
An average episode for me. I realise the type of episode they where trying to make, focussing on Jack adjusting to his new role in charge, but for the most part found it very slow. I was hoping that the episode was going to follow SG-1 (had they been captured by Baal) as well as continue following O'Neill just to add some action.

It was a little slow i though at half time it had already been almost an hour! Yeah seeing Sam dealing with her new role would have been interesting too.


But I did like all the typical O'Neill humour, his way of dealing with Baal and the stuff with Walter.

Yeah you can't beat Jacks humor.


<snip>
One thing that I'm not quite clear on, was Camulus working with Baal in an attempt to get Earth to use the bad ZPM to blow itself up?

The idea was that Jack sent him off with the ZPM so that Bal would blow himself up , or at least that is what jack made Camulas think, Cammel a$$ however when he went to see Bal would (beacause he isa gou'ald) would have no choice but surrender and sibmit the weapon to Bal or else he would be Killed no doubt he is now dead anyway as Jack gave him the Dud

I really liked this ep though 8/10

SeaBee
October 27th, 2004, 02:55 PM
Sorry, but I didn't really enjoy this one.
I enjoyed the "Mash" homage at the start, with Walter playing Radar, and the conversation at the end between Carter and O'neill, but that, unfortunately, was it.

Teshka
October 27th, 2004, 03:37 PM
Slow? *gasp* Say it ain't so.

This was my favorite epsisode in a looong time, definitely the best this season. Mucho O'Neill, the plant, Dr. Lee, O'Neill, Walter, did I mention O'Neill?

I know, I'm such a girl.

But I guess whether or not Zero Hour does anything for ya depends on how much of a Jack fan ya are. There wasn't a ton of action. But I'd be preferectly happy to watch him wander around a forest talking to himself all day. On the flip side, I get pretty bored with the Teal'c and Daniel-centric episodes.

Elite Anubis Guard
October 29th, 2004, 03:40 AM
this was an interesting episode, i liked the idea that oniel was finding it difficult to settle in.

dove0709
October 29th, 2004, 12:10 PM
Absolutely great episode - loved it from start to finish.

Whilst on first appearances it seemed like it was going to be just a 'fun' episode, on closer inspection it covered really well the issues for Jack of leaving SG1 and become 'The Man'.

It was kinda of sad seeing him watch SG1 leave throught the gate and likewise with his letter to General Hammond. Loved the 'never mind' at the end.

Yet I was LMAO at 'cammy' and 'camel ass', seymour and his plant, Siler and his blowtorch etc.

And the serious stuff, like the gateroom scene was done without being too soppy. The locker room scene was a nice touch and and the 'of course, I dare mock you' comment to Baal, just great :)

My favourite episode since I dont know when!

greytop
October 29th, 2004, 12:12 PM
I enjoyed the "Mash" homage at the start, with Walter playing Radar,
Also that Radar's name in MASH was Walter. I notice that right off.

Crazedwraith
October 30th, 2004, 01:19 PM
Pretty good. I see that Lockdown Jack is sobering into a better general type general. Liked the letter to hammond. Long list of reasons why he's resigning and then "never mind" at the bottom. :D

greytop
November 10th, 2004, 07:37 PM
I don't know if this has been said, but I just thinking of a comparision to ST in this episode.

SG-1: the Plant=ST: Tribbles.

Both shouldn't have been taken of their home planet. The Planet grew and the Tribbles multiplied.

david2708
November 12th, 2004, 01:13 AM
This was- for me- one of Stargates all-time WORST episodes. A complete meandering mess of 43 or so minutes.
Usually in Scifi you get an A plot and sometimes a B plot if the main A plot doesn't have enough legs to fill the hour, or the B plot is an emotive one of some kind.
In this episode we get the following:
A plot:
Lets face it. RDA trying to be funny for the sake of being funny and nothing much to do with any plot at all.
B plot:
Jack contemplating resigning as General. Although it wasn't all that clear what
he was contemplating till near the end.
C plot:
SG-1 are apparently kidnapped by Ba'al.
D plot:
Camulus strolls in with his asylum issues.
E plot:
Nasty alien plants growing fabulously.
F plot:
President to visit with undecover guy checking out Jack.

OK, I'll discount RDA playing for laughs plot.
You've got nearly 5 plots going on in one ep. That sort of writing borders on cheesey, daytime, 5 day a week, soap opera television. Days Of Our Lives etc.
At one stage I thought maybe it was one of those dreaded clip shows where we see deleted scenes from season seven or something.
It all amounted to absolutely nothing substantial whatsover.
How pathetic was the ending with the SG-1 team saying-oh we were fine, no problems.

Definatey it makes my alltime worst list.
There, I've had my spray.
I'll have to seek out the fav eps thread to cool down.

david2708
November 12th, 2004, 01:27 AM
This was- for me- one of Stargates all-time WORST episodes. A complete meandering mess of 43 or so minutes.
Usually in Scifi you get an A plot and sometimes a B plot if the main A plot doesn't have enough legs to fill the hour, or the B plot is an emotive one of some kind.
In this episode we get the following:
A plot:
Lets face it. RDA trying to be funny for the sake of being funny and nothing much to do with any plot at all.
B plot:
Jack contemplating resigning as General. Although it wasn't all that clear what
he was contemplating till near the end.
C plot:
SG-1 are apparently kidnapped by Ba'al.
D plot:
Camulus strolls in with his asylum issues.
E plot:
Nasty alien plants growing fabulously.
F plot:
President to visit with undecover guy checking out Jack.

OK, I'll discount RDA playing for laughs plot.
You've got nearly 5 plots going on in one ep. That sort of writing borders on cheesey, daytime, 5 day a week, soap opera television. Days Of Our Lives etc.
At one stage I thought maybe it was one of those dreaded clip shows where we see deleted scenes from season seven or something.
It all amounted to absolutely nothing substantial whatsover.
How pathetic was the ending with the SG-1 team saying-oh we were fine, no problems.

Definatey it makes my alltime worst list.
There, I've had my spray.
I'll have to seek out the fav eps thread to cool down.

Sorry, i forgot about the spoiler thing.
Although, why would anybody read a thread about an episode they haven't watched and not expect it to contain info about the ep.

D.C.
November 12th, 2004, 10:17 PM
I liked this episode but I was slightly disappointed... I can't put my finger on what was disappointing about it, though.

Livi2Jack
December 13th, 2004, 04:13 PM
David, all I can say, is when you are in charge sometime in the future, you will remember this ep. I ran an accounting firm for 11 years. Many many days felt like Jack's in Zero Hour. That was the point. Jack's day as a general from his point of view...just one catastrophe after another followed by absolute time wasting nonsense.

He handled the frustration well.

couchpotatergater
March 2nd, 2005, 10:42 AM
I liked this one as an "easy" ep. It was enjoyable watch Jack struggle with all the little mundane things, but also to see he's still as sharp as ever when it comes to sussing people out.
I didn't like Walter's part in this. I do like the character & liked that Gary Jones had a bigger part, but didn't think Walter would be performing that role (the P.A. bit at the beginning) as it was outside anything we'd seen the character do previously. I think it was Heroes P1, when he was explaining tech stuff, IMO that was a much more believable thing for Walter to do than chivvying O'Neill.
I do love Dr Lee/Bill Dow, & in the early part of the ep, his enthusiasm was pure scientist, same as we see Sam get over her technical bits & bobs. However, it did wear a little thin, I would agree with the Tribble references others have made - it's a good analogy.
Jack & Baal...hmmmm. Not sure about this; it is Jack's nature to be flippant, but I think this was a little overplayed considering their history. Always a pleasure to see the gorgeous Cliff Simon though!
It was good to see Jack in touch with Hammond; I love the respect & friendship between them. Also the scene in the gate room; everyone volunteering - parallels with Into The Fire; I found it moving.
Nice little double twist at the end, & we see Jack gradually accepting his new role.
Not the most dramatic ep, but lots going on & a smattering of comic references - most enjoyable :)

OneillTwo"LL"s
March 16th, 2005, 11:40 AM
I see what people meant when they said the Jack/Walter at the beginning was like Henry/Radar!!
Walter is very cool - why does he not get more lines?!? "Actually, he's not like other people." LOL!!
A little bit of Jack/Daniel banter at the briefing, that's always nice!!
Also good to see Dr Lee & Major Davis again. :D
Poor Jack, it must be really hard for him to watch his team have all the fun while he sits at a desk and does paperwork.
It bothers me a little bit that Sam doubts her abilities as a commander, but I think she'll get over that pretty quickly. It was nice to see Daniel & Teal'c trying to comfort her though...
Nice little speech by Col. Reynolds about Jack being tortured by Ba'al and how he, SG1 and everyone else on the base would not give up on someone in that situation.
I'm glad they did address, even if it was just a little bit, the fact that Jack was captured & tortured by Ba'al.
I did like the stuff between Jack & Ba'al. "Of course I dare mock you!!"
'Is it really wise to provoke him?' 'It's what I do.'
Jack's letter to Hammond was so sad...'the regret is not so much about the resigning part but the fact that I was deluded enough to think I had possessed even one iota of the ability needed to fill your sizeable and shiny shoes' Aww....poor Jack. And then 'Never mind' at the end of it...
I could have sworn I heard Jack's voice quiver when he was dismissing Col. Reynolds after SG3 came back SG1-less.
Then when he was loking at Teal'c & Daniel's names on their lockers, the look on his face was just heart-breaking.
Also, yay for Pierre Bernard!! :D
Nice little bit of S/J ship at the end too. :)
Great episode. :D


Okay, I agree with with everything you (shelsfc)wrote here, Why waste my time typing everything, when you said it.

I love the Reynolds and Gilmore in the Office, talking about Abyss (hence Sig Line)
I like that Baal was around, he is not bad on the eyes either ;)

I would have to loved to read the letter that Jack wrote to Hammond. That would be a good read.

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
May 8th, 2005, 06:37 AM
i just watched this episode and i thought i was great how Teal'c organized the show of support in the gate room...it really added a nice touch.

greytop
May 8th, 2005, 01:40 PM
i just watched this episode and i thought i was great how Teal'c organized the show of support in the gate room...it really added a nice touch.I thought Reynolds did that, Teal'c was stranded with Sam and Daniel.

jckfan55
May 8th, 2005, 02:54 PM
I thought Reynolds did that, Teal'c was stranded with Sam and Daniel.
Yeah, unless Teal'c has some psychic powers I don't know about. :)

Anubis345
May 8th, 2005, 04:38 PM
i liked how they showed RDA gettin sedlled in the Man Chair that Hammond use to have and how they showed sam second geussing herself i really all in all loved this EP

Lucreleia
July 31st, 2005, 05:53 AM
That was the best part of the entire ep. Well, that and the plant. ;)

I loved the plant, and how it messed everything, specially after Jack said repetedly: "It's just a plant!!!!" :p

luthienberen
June 2nd, 2006, 03:12 AM
I thought this episode was very good - not brilliant but good. I enjoyed the suspense of the countdown to zero hour. But the best bit of the episode was the plant.

Could have done without Jack's humour but otherwise very nice! Definitely one of the better episodes of this season.

captain jake
June 2nd, 2006, 05:45 PM
Jacks humor? what was wrong with it?

luthienberen
June 3rd, 2006, 11:12 AM
It was unsuitable for his status and situation. His humour in previous Seasons was amusing, recently - and especially here - it simply made him appear idiotic.

Off to watch StarGate the movie on TV!

captain jake
June 3rd, 2006, 12:03 PM
Can you give me an example by any chance?

luthienberen
June 4th, 2006, 04:34 AM
Jack: Ba'al, come on. You should know. Of course I dare mock you.

Wow, really funny under the circumstances. Let's provoke the enemy who (to our knowedgle) has SG-1 captive. It makes matters that much better. [scarasm]

Hammond - yes, I know they are two different people - wouldn't have said that and would have acted in a manner more becoming to the seriousness of the situation.

It seems Jack has been reduced to basically a humour role and little else, with flashes of intelligence.

Dani347
June 4th, 2006, 09:55 AM
Jack: Ba'al, come on. You should know. Of course I dare mock you.

Hated it. It was like "Jack's the funny one. He opens his mouth, it's funny. Lets write a quip for him."




It seems Jack has been reduced to basically a humour role and little else, with flashes of intelligence.

Flashes? Flickers, maybe. And, I couldn't care less about that stupid plant.

luthienberen
June 4th, 2006, 10:32 AM
Hated it. It was like "Jack's the funny one. He opens his mouth, it's funny. Lets write a quip for him."





Flashes? Flickers, maybe. And, I couldn't care less about that stupid plant.

Flickers is indeed a fitting word. Not sending the active ZPM through was a flicker. I liked the plant - only really good part of the episode. TPTB handled RDA's reduced time poorly this and last Season, reducing his itnelligence to a bare minimum.

captain jake
June 4th, 2006, 08:00 PM
I think jack is alot smarter then he let's show.

These "quips" are what he is that IS his character.

I find 98% of his jokes pretty damn funny.

luthienberen
June 5th, 2006, 03:56 AM
I think jack is alot smarter then he let's show.

These "quips" are what he is that IS his character.

I find 98% of his jokes pretty damn funny.

And he showed that intelligence a GREAT deal MORE in the eariler seasons. There is a difference between concealing your intelligence and being an idiot 98% of the time.

His humour has also changed over the Seasons to the point where it is rarely funny (and certianly 'appropiate') any more. I love Jack. Colonel Jonathon 'Jack' O'Neill is my favourite character who I saw as intelligent, funny, determined to get the job done and honorable - and yes, occasionally a dark character, who does what is necessary (and sometimes questionable as to how right and moral that action was).

I don't see that any more - that side is shown too rarely and had a little to do with the actor not wanting to be there - which I understand and sympthasise - and mainly rubbish writing on TPTB side.

And saying that jokes make the character is a very sad thing because it means that Jack O'Neill is nothing more than a WALKING JOKE - and who likes or respects someone who only flings off quips when he ought to be doing his duty?

In the past Jack combined his humour with his duty ... and it did not get in the way, or make a mockery of the seriousness of the situation. In my opinion that is what TPTB have reduced a brilliant character to.:(

Dani347
June 5th, 2006, 10:12 AM
I agree. Jack may have been smarter than he let on in the early seasons, but back then, it was a highly intelligent person posing as a moderately intelligent one. Later seasons, Jack seemed to want to pretend to be Homer Simpson. Also, Jack was not just a walking punch line.

ReganX
June 5th, 2006, 11:09 AM
i liked how they showed RDA gettin sedlled in the Man Chair that Hammond use to have and how they showed sam second geussing herself i really all in all loved this EP

I liked that they both had new roles to adjust to.

scifi_girl
September 23rd, 2006, 10:54 AM
i liked how they showed RDA gettin sedlled in the Man Chair that Hammond use to have and how they showed sam second geussing herself i really all in all loved this EP

yeah, i liked that too. i thought at and rda were really good in this ep, i liked the plant story line too, it made me laugh.

SaberBlade
September 25th, 2006, 11:45 AM
I'm watching the episode right now on Sky 2 (UK channel) and I am wondering if the device of Camulus' was ever mentioned again?

meredithchandler73
October 25th, 2006, 09:30 AM
I really enjoyed this episode. I understand how some people find Jack's humor inappropriate, but it's just who he is. As many others have commented, the opening was definitely an homage to Radar and M*A*S*H. Wonderful! I thought the whole episode was a lot of fun. And I was totally surprised about how it ended. After all that, I was sure he wouldn't stay in command!

Question though - I actually don't remember hearing "It's what we/I do" before Wormhole X-treme. I found the line funny in Wormhole X-Treme just because it's a response. It was only after that episode that I noticed Jack saying it. So, when did it first appear and how often has it been uttered?

OrangeShipper
January 4th, 2007, 02:08 AM
I LOOOOOOOOVED this ep!!! Jack was so much better in this than he was the whole of Season 7 (apart from Lost City, which picked up) - in S7, in the brief moments he was there, it was just to throw a random, not even funny punchline... This was SO much better!

"It's what I do!"
I loved him locking the delegates in the VIP room too, heehee!

I just think this ep had everything - the twists at the end TOTALLY got me (I was convinced Gilmore was some infiltrated Go'auld or something, and had NO idea that SG-1 was just stuck!).

LOVED Jacks interactions with Hammond - I thought the letter was done fantastically (especially the zoom in at the end, and I'd love to see the full transcript too!), and I thought the phone call from Hammond was really nice and touching (especially Jack not being able to get used to calling Hammond George!).

Chevron Guy had lines!!!! - "He's not like other... People.."
"We're REALLY glad you're here"
and the whole anticipating Jack's objections =D

The plant!! Twas fantastic!! "It's a plant"...

The support and respect Jack has is fantastic, and was really nicely shown (nice references back to Abyss too).

ZPM idea was clever!

I just thought it was fantastic to see everything he has to deal with, and it's all the kind of stuff Jack hates! And he managed superbly to cope. Although, all the way through, I was just imagining the course SG-1 may have taken if Jack had been General throughout the series, lol - twould be very different!!!

General David Niemi
July 2nd, 2007, 04:55 PM
The whole first scene had me hysterical!! It was like watching Radar and Col. Blake on MASH!!


Too much!!

I know! With Walter knowing everything (Raydar) and theres Jack, he's got no idea whats going on! (Col. Blake) Oh man that brings back memories! :)



I LOOOOOOOOVED this ep!!! Jack was so much better in this than he was the whole of Season 7 (apart from Lost City, which picked up) - in S7, in the brief moments he was there, it was just to throw a random, not even funny punchline... This was SO much better!

"It's what I do!"
I loved him locking the delegates in the VIP room too, heehee!

I just think this ep had everything - the twists at the end TOTALLY got me (I was convinced Gilmore was some infiltrated Go'auld or something, and had NO idea that SG-1 was just stuck!).

LOVED Jacks interactions with Hammond - I thought the letter was done fantastically (especially the zoom in at the end, and I'd love to see the full transcript too!), and I thought the phone call from Hammond was really nice and touching (especially Jack not being able to get used to calling Hammond George!).

Chevron Guy had lines!!!! - "He's not like other... People.."
"We're REALLY glad you're here"
and the whole anticipating Jack's objections =D

The plant!! Twas fantastic!! "It's a plant"...

The support and respect Jack has is fantastic, and was really nicely shown (nice references back to Abyss too).

ZPM idea was clever!

I just thought it was fantastic to see everything he has to deal with, and it's all the kind of stuff Jack hates! And he managed superbly to cope. Although, all the way through, I was just imagining the course SG-1 may have taken if Jack had been General throughout the series, lol - twould be very different!!!

Yes :)

Bekki
August 27th, 2007, 06:43 PM
Loved the Little Shop of Horrors line "Well, thank you, Seymour!" It had me in stitches!

Loved this episode! Humorously dealing with something that was actually rather serious for Jack! True O'Neill style!

GATEGOD
March 7th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Walter/Jack are so funny together!!

Oh lol and Camulas is still my favorite Goa'uld!

Hornet
March 28th, 2009, 09:33 AM
Like this ep alot, gave me lots of laughs. Especially those plants thing, and the part with Jack mouth shown through a magnifying glass, lol

gatechick
April 4th, 2009, 12:27 PM
And to think I was briefing through saturday reruns of sci fi on channel 29, when this show came on and I wrote it off as a boring series!!! What a difference a few years makes!

Anyway, can someone tell me who the guy was that was in the hazmat suit, when him and Jack were walking down to the hall and they got on the elevator together. I didn't recognize his face.

Dinoman
April 17th, 2009, 07:10 AM
Lucky us that Jack did not hand in his resignation letter to General Hammond. Being a SGC commander is no easy job, I think Jack handled it quite well by making jokes all around, but still getting serious on dangerous gate travel assignments.

To answer your question, gatechick, I think that guy was Gilmor, the new administrative aide to General O'Neill.

Mr.MacGadget
June 13th, 2009, 11:27 PM
I tried to find a general type of thread for this question, but I guess it's gonna be fine here as well. :D
So, Camulus living here on Earth, I guess in Area 51, in a cell. Now, he's a Goa'uld. How can he survive here without a sarcophagus? Simple answer is: we have a sarcophagus in area 51? :D

vzzzzzbx
June 23rd, 2009, 05:11 PM
Very good episode with some great funny moments. Season 8 certainly started off well...

nmmb
July 8th, 2009, 03:18 PM
Nice to see them portray the difficulties Hammond had, and now have passed to O'Neil.
Loved the M*A*S*H homage by walter!

Ulkesh47
July 8th, 2009, 10:14 PM
Loved the M*A*S*H homage by walter!
:indeed:

WishIwasJoes
July 9th, 2009, 08:56 AM
A really great episode that shows just how hard being head of the SGC really is. Wish we could have seen a show for hammond like this. The whole plant thing was really funny!

The guest star was also really good and slide into his post as an aid very well.

As jack bumbed up to leader now would have been a good time to bring in a new SGC member. The writers and creators of the show were in denial that RDA would always be around. This way they could have eased a new member in with out the hassel and arguments over rank and experiance when it came to BB and AT.
rating 7/10

Tachyon
November 26th, 2009, 07:45 PM
I love this episode as well. Definitely one of the most "rewatchable" ones from season 8. :)

es!
January 15th, 2010, 10:56 AM
I liked this ep a lot. The plot and twists were great and the letter in the end rocked :D ("Never mind...", lol)

I am so happy that this ep is very SGC-centric so we get to see Jack a lot. I am kinda missing him already. And I don't want a new SG1 member! *pouts in denial*

Some S/J shippy moments here too *nods in approval*

Automission
January 18th, 2010, 11:50 AM
Can't believe I never got the Little Shop of Horrors reference before! :D

mrscopterdoc
March 29th, 2010, 02:55 PM
Walter as Radar....awesome! :D

"snippiness" :P

"no bunting?" :P

"nuts" :lol:

maneth
November 3rd, 2010, 11:14 AM
Great episode, and the plant thing was just too funny. Perhaps just as well Daniel was off world for most of the ep, or he would've been sneezing allot...

Ulkesh47
November 4th, 2010, 10:45 PM
Great episode, and the plant thing was just too funny. Perhaps just as well Daniel was off world for most of the ep, or he would've been sneezing allot...
Funny about the sneezing; it never came up after Season 2. Or is the idea that the sarcophagus treatment from "Need" permanently rid Daniel of allergies?

chaapa-ai
November 6th, 2010, 09:40 PM
Not a 'great' episode for me, too much drama. Two episodes in a row of how much can we do in the SGC set. I did like the episode, plant storyline was interesting and how they dealt with the ZPM. I do like Ba'al as a bad guy, Jack's camel ass line to him was good :)

SnowWhite
November 13th, 2010, 01:52 AM
Funny about the sneezing; it never came up after Season 2. Or is the idea that the sarcophagus treatment from "Need" permanently rid Daniel of allergies?

oh.. never thought of the sarcophagus.. that would be an explanation.. hmm, I still wish they had mentioned it now or than.. but I understand, that most of the time it would be 1. annoying after a while, 2. impractical when they infiltrate Goa'uld planets and he's sneezing all the time and 3. somewhat ridiculous for his character as he becomes "cooler" (as in: not only the naive, social Daniel but also some kick a** scenes)

to stay on topic: I loved the part with the "it hasn't eaten anybody yet" - "Well, thank you, Seymore" :D
And that we get to see how Jack has to struggle with his new position.. made him more "real"

Selkhet
May 2nd, 2011, 05:19 AM
I love this episode as well. Definitely one of the most "rewatchable" ones from season 8. :)

Absolutely! I love the entire scene:

Ba'al - "You dare mock me?"

Jack - "Ba'al, come on, you should know. Of course I dare mock you."

Proof RDA ...IS the man! :zelenka25:

Dave2
December 29th, 2011, 12:49 PM
How did O'Neil maintain his composure when confronting Baal after everything Baal did to him with the sarcophagus??

LeftHandedGuitarist
February 1st, 2012, 05:39 AM
Really enjoyed this one, funny and dramatic most of the way through. Nice to see O'Neill finally get significant screen time again. The Michael J. Fox-lookalike playing his aide became quite annoying, but becomes likeable by the end.

RATING: 8 out of 10

Seaboe Muffinchucker
March 6th, 2012, 11:05 AM
My favorite season 8 episode.

I wish TPTB had released the complete text of Jack's letter, though.

Seaboe

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
March 6th, 2012, 03:49 PM
An average episode (just like most of the first half of Season 8).

Not much to say, we have a very dangerous ZPM in possession, and another might've Goa'uld fell.

Conan's Art Designer (I think that's his position the show) is Sgt O'Brien.

Tomorrow, Daniel starts a Civil War.

Nindif
March 6th, 2012, 07:53 PM
I enjoy this episode. I think its focus on Jack and his reflections are insightful and show a maturity to his character we don't often get to see.

There are numerous elements to this ep, such as the non-Daniel negotiation that just seems to place our well known characters into a slightly off-centre role which is refreshing at this stage in the series.

Lieutenant Sparrow
March 7th, 2012, 01:13 AM
Not the best ep imo. It did have its moments though. The booby trapped ZPM and the out of control plant added some interest to the ep. As well as Jacks letter to Hammond.

With Sam, Daniel and T being off screen most of the ep we got to see plenty of Walter and Siler which is great.

Krisz
March 7th, 2012, 04:09 PM
"It's only a plant."

A great episode, giving us 'A Day in the Life of'; in this case Jack. I thought it was great that a whole episode was dedicated to his settling in and how he faced various situations from choosing 'menu items' to mocking Ba'al.

It was wonderful to see how calmly he dealt with everything, yet he was doubting his abilities and writing a resignation letter. I for one am glad he ended it with "never mind." We can go on knowing the SCG is in the hands of a good commander. :)

Jae'a
March 8th, 2012, 08:38 AM
^I'm glad too. I think I'll miss him this time round...

My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/42107.html)

Camel-ass! :lol:

Matt G
March 9th, 2012, 01:44 PM
Another ep of SG1...

1. Yeah...now Jack and Hammond are sort of equals.

2. Mum really felt for Jack with this ep.

3. I'd completely forgot how SG1 got out of this.

4. We never did get an ep from the General's POV before or since so this was certainly unique.

5. And one of those classic Jack lines.

Solid ep.

jelgate
March 11th, 2012, 02:45 PM
Jack is so under used in the later seasons for obvious reasons which is why I love this episode so much. The episode shows us a different perspective. So many times we see the SG1 perspective of going to the planet with Hammond being left behind. I like seeing the pressures and stress of the SGC through O'Neil's eyes as he has to deal with many crisis. Some are out there like the plant or locking diplomats in the room but like I said it interesting to see the stresses and decisions his job make it. I kind find the whole aide disguised to evaluate O'Neill to be largely pointless. You could easily have Radar Walter take his place as he was already serving as O'Neill's assistant. However without the aide we wouldn't have Reynolds speech about how no one on the base would think for a second in risking their life for SG1 which was kind of moving

liminoid
March 14th, 2012, 08:19 AM
Dumb Jack at his most unbearably dumb.

Cluas
February 10th, 2013, 02:41 AM
Loved this one. Good to see Jack in a different spot. And Dr. Lee was hilarious. I didn't care much about the Gilmor guy :p

Baron Of Hell
July 19th, 2013, 11:49 AM
I liked this episode for the most part. The only thing I didn't care for was Jack's attitude towards SG1 being captured. He was much to nonchalant over the situation.

Cluas
July 20th, 2013, 12:13 AM
I liked this episode for the most part. The only thing I didn't care for was Jack's attitude towards SG1 being captured. He was much to nonchalant over the situation.

Well, the writers wanted to change Jack in season 8. I guess Jacks changed a little to much, too quick :)

Anja
October 11th, 2015, 02:00 AM
A day in the life of the General at the SGC - now the viewers and O'Neill realize what it means to be a general. We've never seen that so clearly before.
Much ado for all of them - almost too much for one ep.

BethHG
July 16th, 2018, 05:34 PM
Excellent episode! I loved seeing General O'Neill in his new element! It was really interesting seeing what the daily happenings were at the SGC.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
July 17th, 2018, 08:12 AM
I see earlier I just said this was my favorite season 8 episode. To be more specific, I liked the focus on competent Jack, dealing with the paperwork and other administrative hassles (which you knew he had to be proficient with or he would never have made Colonel). I liked that it was his first week, and everything was going wrong. I liked that he came bang up against his need to put the base as a whole first, even while his friends--his team--were in danger. I particularly liked the end, where he used his height to intimidate Gilmore (while telling him he'd known all along he was being evaluated), something he very rarely did.

Seaboe

BethHG
July 17th, 2018, 09:45 AM
I see earlier I just said this was my favorite season 8 episode. To be more specific, I liked the focus on competent Jack, dealing with the paperwork and other administrative hassles (which you knew he had to be proficient with or he would never have made Colonel). I liked that it was his first week, and everything was going wrong. I liked that he came bang up against his need to put the base as a whole first, even while his friends--his team--were in danger. I particularly liked the end, where he used his height to intimidate Gilmore (while telling him he'd known all along he was being evaluated), something he very rarely did.

Seaboe

Exactly! :)