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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 710</FONT>
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The team finds a fugitive colony of Jaffa women, who must prey on other Jaffa to acquire symbiotes.

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gange57
July 11th, 2004, 08:17 AM
Interesting. Not one post for this episode? I thought this episode was good. I liked the concept of the jaffa women. I hope we see more of them in season eight.

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 08:17 AM
We do see Ishta again season eight according to a interview with CJ. I won't bother with spoilers!

Selmak
July 11th, 2004, 08:28 AM
Cool... some kick butt women Jaffa.

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 08:41 AM
I loved seeing some cool Jaffa Action in this one. That's how you should use Staff Weapons.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 08:37 PM
The second blonde Jaffa to be found... the of was a dude with a dye-job.

SeaBee
August 15th, 2004, 02:40 AM
I have a problem with this episode, I don't remember it.1 :eek:
I kind of remember Teal'c having a fight with a woman Jaffa, but that's all.
It really doesn't stick in my mind.
Time to dig out the video. :o

Replicarter
August 15th, 2004, 03:53 AM
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This episode is the same as enemy mine, its good to have an off world episode, but it wasn’t very good, good that Teal’c and Ishta get it on but other than that not a good episode.

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Liv
August 22nd, 2004, 04:38 AM
This episode is in my "eh, not so much" category, although there is one scene that I just love. The one between Daniel and the young girl who needed a symbiote (Neesa?), when she tries on his glasses. That was just so sweet.

Lord Zedd
September 9th, 2004, 10:23 AM
yes Istah is a very hot Jaffa woman I hope we see her back !! Thanks Anubos

Elite Anubis Guard
November 7th, 2004, 09:14 AM
i enjoyed this episode, was interesting and i think chris just wanted tpol for the part so he could snog her! ;)

Lord Zedd
November 7th, 2004, 12:15 PM
i enjoyed this episode, was interesting and i think chris just wanted tpol for the part so he could snog her! ;)
and where did you get that idea ? :rolleyes:

LMichelle
November 11th, 2004, 08:48 PM
Wasn't a big fan of this episode. I did like seeing female Jaffa and warriors to boot. Women that kick ass!

My favorite scene was the one with Daniel and the teenager. I love when she told him he needed a symbiote. LOL! She had a crush on him, too. So sweet. She's got good taste in men. :)

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman
November 13th, 2004, 02:11 PM
This is a "Blah" episode. I like the butt kicking female jaffa but the plot was kinda boring. I'm sure they could have found a better way to show that Tretonin could liberate the Jaffa.
Aside from that there really isn't much to say for this episode.

greytop
November 13th, 2004, 09:29 PM
I am wondering what has happen to Nessa, since she hadn't been implanted with a symbiot? Did it work for her or did it reverse the genetic flaw, which I doubt it?

Erik Pasternak
December 12th, 2004, 11:09 AM
I am wondering what has happen to Nessa, since she hadn't been implanted with a symbiot? Did it work for her or did it reverse the genetic flaw, which I doubt it?
Wasn't she given tretonin, or am I remembering incorrectly?

Sam fan
December 12th, 2004, 12:53 PM
I'm not a great fan of the Jaffa storyline but I did really like this episode mainly becaus of Jack saying penis which I know is totally dumb of me but it was SUCH a shock! and i loved the bit where the jaffa layde asked sam about her "Special relationship" with Jack SOOOOOO FUNNY!

greytop
December 12th, 2004, 02:12 PM
Wasn't she given tretonin, or am I remembering incorrectly?
She was given it. What I meant was since she hadn't a symboit, could her immune system repair its self after awhile or will she have to continue on tretonin the rest of her life because of her genes?

Erik Pasternak
December 12th, 2004, 02:19 PM
She was given it. What I meant was since she hadn't a symboit, could her immune system repair its self after awhile or will she have to continue on tretonin the rest of her life because of her genes?
Oh, sorry, now I understand. I think she will have to stay on it for the rest of her life, unless some other cure is found before then.

PugGate
March 6th, 2005, 09:09 AM
I thought it was odd that they rode on horses. Did the Goa'uld import horses from earth too? Or are horses from another planet?

zats
March 13th, 2005, 09:10 AM
A friend of mine w/out cable (and therefore, no SciFi) caught this one airing on network TV and asked me about it the next day. Interaction as follows:

Him: Hey, I think I saw that show you're cuckoo over yesterday.
zats: Stargate?
Him: Yeah.
zats: Cool, which ep?
Him: They went to a planet with scantily clad women.
zats: Okay, ah...that would be 'Birthright'.
Him: I liked it.
zats: You do know that these 'scantily clad women' could kick your ass, right?
Him: Mmm-hmm. Is there another episode where they go to the planet with scantily clad women?
zats: Well, technically, they're Jaffa...but yeah.
Him: Ooh, can I see that one, too?

He's now quite the SG fan. Yay! Thank heaven for the scantily clad women! :p

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
April 11th, 2005, 05:32 PM
I thought this was an interesting episode and here, you can really see the J'ffa moving away from the clutches of the "Gods." I really liked the small battle between Teal'c and his new freind ;).

Stricken
June 6th, 2005, 08:25 AM
Teal'c and Ishta sitting in a tree...lol

greytop
June 6th, 2005, 09:06 PM
Teal'c and Ishta sitting in a tree...lolJust finishing watching it on my DVD and noticed that Sam is also a savy negoticator.

QuiGonJohn
June 21st, 2005, 05:01 AM
I liked this one. A new facet to the Rebel Jaffa. Great moments with Teal'c, Sam and Daniel.

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
June 22nd, 2005, 07:58 AM
was that, CJ getting his ass kicked? by a...a girl ;)

greytop
June 22nd, 2005, 08:32 AM
was that, CJ getting his ass kicked? by a...a girl ;)I was just wondering if he didn't do that on propose.

ionFreeman
November 22nd, 2005, 10:36 AM
Why would it be against Jaffa custom for them to recover the symbiotes of the fallen? I thought the whole point of the Jaffa was to keep immature Goauld alive! Since the Goauld must have had a lot of influence over Jaffa customs, that seems a little odd to me.

ionFreeman
November 22nd, 2005, 11:37 AM
Yeah, that was nice. When Colonel O'Neill said, "I don't see no bow nor arrow," I kind of expected Daniel to say, "Well that's why they each have two marvelous breasts. Thank goodness for energy weapons."


A friend of mine w/out cable (and therefore, no SciFi) caught this one airing on network TV and asked me about it the next day. Interaction as follows:

Him: Hey, I think I saw that show you're cuckoo over yesterday.
zats: Stargate?
Him: Yeah.
zats: Cool, which ep?
Him: They went to a planet with scantily clad women.
zats: Okay, ah...that would be 'Birthright'.
Him: I liked it.
zats: You do know that these 'scantily clad women' could kick your ass, right?
Him: Mmm-hmm. Is there another episode where they go to the planet with scantily clad women?
zats: Well, technically, they're Jaffa...but yeah.
Him: Ooh, can I see that one, too?

He's now quite the SG fan. Yay! Thank heaven for the scantily clad women! :p

Zoser
January 5th, 2007, 04:24 PM
I watched The First Ones yesterday and wondered why they did get symboites from the lakes on that planet for the female Jaffa

angelfire east
February 5th, 2007, 06:16 PM
This is a really great episode:D It had everything, laugher, fun, romance and action:D

The fight scene between Teal'c and Neith was really cool, I loved the way it was filmed:)

I also loved the back and forth of Teal'c/Neith and Sam/Mala as they both talked. I enjoyed hearing about Teal'c feelings for his wife, ususally we hear more of his feelings for his son. I also enjoyed Sam's realionship to Mala saying she wanted to have a relationship like Jack and Sam lol.

I really like Mala, it's a shame she died. I thought she would have been good friends with Sam.
spoiler for season 9 and 10
I saw Kal'el who is in the Free Jaffa council and I think Mala would have been the best person to take on that role. And yes part of that reason is becuase I feel she'd support Earth but also beaucse she fair and kind hearted. Not that KalEl is a bad person.

Daniel was also fun in this episode, he was really good with Nesa, who I really liked btw. I thought their scenes where really cute:D

Question with spoilers for season 10
Is the same actress who played Nesa the same actress to play Adria in her teens?

I love Teal'c makeout with Neith in the gateroom, Sam and Daniel took the hint and left but Jack just stayed there lol.

Also Jack jokes about being so willing to help out with the mating was too funny.

O'NEILL: "Wait...you don't suppose that's why they want us, do you? I mean, you know, the three of us?"
JACKSON: "You t- to mate with? No, no...I don't think so..."
O'NEILL: "Well, because you know me...I'm all for helping people."

Was it Daniel or Sam who said "Oh, God..." in resposd to Jack's comment. It sounded like Sam to me but the transcript said it was Daniel. SO does anyone know?

CJ writes the best Teal'c episodes:D


I watched The First Ones yesterday and wondered why they did get symboites from the lakes on that planet for the female Jaffa

Becuase the writers forgot about the lake? It is possibley that The SGC had the lake cleaned out of so no could be taken as host?

Two_L's
June 6th, 2007, 06:18 AM
I quite liked this episode. It's good to hear about some Jaffa women who are warrior's, rather than the men. :)


I also loved the back and forth of Teal'c/Neith and Sam/Mala as they both talked. I enjoyed hearing about Teal'c feelings for his wife, ususally we hear more of his feelings for his son. I also enjoyed Sam's realionship to Mala saying she wanted to have a relationship like Jack and Sam lol.

Yeh, I liked how they changed between the two conversations too, and also Jack's and Sam's "special relationship", lol. ;)



Was it Daniel or Sam who said "Oh, God..." in resposd to Jack's comment. It sounded like Sam to me but the transcript said it was Daniel. SO does anyone know?

I listened to it twice, trying to work it out, and I'm pretty sure it's Sam. At least it sounds a lot like Sam to me.

plastic
June 26th, 2007, 10:02 AM
Was it Daniel or Sam who said "Oh, God..." in resposd to Jack's comment. It sounded like Sam to me but the transcript said it was Daniel. SO does anyone know?

i also thought the same thing so i looked it up on a different web site and it said it was sam who said it. (over all it was a very funny scene)

i also agree that cj does write the best teal'c episodes i guess he
understants teal'c alot more

Cascade
August 24th, 2007, 03:38 AM
I thought this was a great episode. Christopher Judge is great at writing!




Also Jack jokes about being so willing to help out with the mating was too funny.

O'NEILL: "Wait...you don't suppose that's why they want us, do you? I mean, you know, the three of us?"
JACKSON: "You t- to mate with? No, no...I don't think so..."
O'NEILL: "Well, because you know me...I'm all for helping people."


Hehe, I thought that bit was hilarious. :lol: Sam's repsonse was great too (Oh God!). :D

Anda
September 23rd, 2008, 05:05 AM
It was a nice episode.But the end scene was fantastic!

Anda
September 23rd, 2008, 05:07 AM
This is a really great episode:D It had everything, laugher, fun, romance and action:D

The fight scene between Teal'c and Neith was really cool, I loved the way it was filmed:)

I also loved the back and forth of Teal'c/Neith and Sam/Mala as they both talked. I enjoyed hearing about Teal'c feelings for his wife, ususally we hear more of his feelings for his son. I also enjoyed Sam's realionship to Mala saying she wanted to have a relationship like Jack and Sam lol.

I really like Mala, it's a shame she died. I thought she would have been good friends with Sam.
spoiler for season 9 and 10
I saw Kal'el who is in the Free Jaffa council and I think Mala would have been the best person to take on that role. And yes part of that reason is becuase I feel she'd support Earth but also beaucse she fair and kind hearted. Not that KalEl is a bad person.

Daniel was also fun in this episode, he was really good with Nesa, who I really liked btw. I thought their scenes where really cute:D

Question with spoilers for season 10
Is the same actress who played Nesa the same actress to play Adria in her teens?

I love Teal'c makeout with Neith in the gateroom, Sam and Daniel took the hint and left but Jack just stayed there lol.

Also Jack jokes about being so willing to help out with the mating was too funny.

O'NEILL: "Wait...you don't suppose that's why they want us, do you? I mean, you know, the three of us?"
JACKSON: "You t- to mate with? No, no...I don't think so..."
O'NEILL: "Well, because you know me...I'm all for helping people."

Was it Daniel or Sam who said "Oh, God..." in resposd to Jack's comment. It sounded like Sam to me but the transcript said it was Daniel. SO does anyone know?

CJ writes the best Teal'c episodes:D



Becuase the writers forgot about the lake? It is possibley that The SGC had the lake cleaned out of so no could be taken as host?

That was avery funny scene

balo
June 17th, 2009, 07:51 AM
I liked this episode !

Loved the Jaffa women warriors, Teal'c and Daniel in some interesting scenes with them.


Rating 8 / 10

Wandering Youth
September 6th, 2009, 10:21 AM
A friend of mine w/out cable (and therefore, no SciFi) caught this one airing on network TV and asked me about it the next day. Interaction as follows:

Him: Hey, I think I saw that show you're cuckoo over yesterday.
zats: Stargate?
Him: Yeah.
zats: Cool, which ep?
Him: They went to a planet with scantily clad women.
zats: Okay, ah...that would be 'Birthright'.
Him: I liked it.
zats: You do know that these 'scantily clad women' could kick your ass, right?
Him: Mmm-hmm. Is there another episode where they go to the planet with scantily clad women?
zats: Well, technically, they're Jaffa...but yeah.
Him: Ooh, can I see that one, too?

He's now quite the SG fan. Yay! Thank heaven for the scantily clad women! :p


Haha that totally reminds me of Citizen Joe

Guy: Boss... Question. These Guuuld.
Joe: Goa'uldddddd
Guy: Gouuuuud
Joe: GOA'ULLLLLLLLD
Guy: Nevermind... the bad guys.

Tachyon
December 1st, 2009, 05:30 AM
I like this episode a lot. One of the season 7 highlights most definitely. :)

gateship15
December 5th, 2009, 10:52 PM
i like this episode.

mrscopterdoc
March 26th, 2010, 04:17 PM
i like this episode.

me too.

Fan-e-Gate
May 4th, 2010, 07:41 PM
I think the female Jaffa coming out of the smoke like that is possibly the best entrance on in the series.:hammondanime01:

ChulaksPrincess
October 22nd, 2010, 08:21 AM
So, first Ishta is all friendly with Teal'c, then she takes him prisoner. Yet, Teal'c still falls hard for her. What's wrong with this picture?
What did teal'c see in her? He was too good for Ishta in my opinion. In my opinion, Ishta didn't deserve Teal'c.
Someone who kisses him one minute, then turns on him the next is not trustworthy. Didn't Teall'c know this?
Poor guy. What was in that drink that Ishta poured for him? Their sparring match was great though.

Nesa was so sweet, and I liked Neith too. They are my favorite female Jaffa.

maneth
October 26th, 2010, 10:19 PM
I loved the idea of female Jaffa, I just hope they can take out Molok in the end. Still, I liked seeing "T'Pol" again.

chaapa-ai
November 1st, 2010, 05:55 PM
Christopher wrote himself a juicy part (for SG1 that is). This was an 'OK' episode suffering from the fact its in a string of so-so episodes. Nice to see yet another member of the Enterprise make an appearance.

hallonbuske
April 22nd, 2011, 03:33 AM
I just rewatched this episode and during Mala's conversation with Sam I started wondering... If the Jaffa women have symbiots in the same place as their male counterparts, where does the fetus reside? Isn't the symbiote pouch in its way? I mean, the symbiote is quite big, after all.

zainea13
January 13th, 2012, 03:28 PM
very good episode. I think that the hak'til warriors are very well portrayed and I like the episode all around. Lots of drama that really advances the plot and engages, which I love, comedy is great, drama is great, they each have their place, and I love both, and this episode really gave the drama that was needed, not so much where you wanna break down and cry but just enough where you feel a part of the story.

Also, I recommend the commentary on this episode, I found it very informative and entertaining (I've listened to every commentary up to this point, and this is the first I've recommended, there have been some good ones, I like most with james tichenor and Martin wood. Peter Deluise goes off on tangents, which are funny lol, but not so informative. Peter Woeste and Jim Menard are alwasy great too. Also, the director's series and Beyond the gate w/ R.D. Anderson on this disc are great too.)

LeftHandedGuitarist
January 20th, 2012, 08:04 AM
This was a better episode than I remembered it being, but at the end of the day I just find Jaffa society quite boring. There's a decent supporting cast here, and I am interested in how tretonin is worked into any plot because it's pretty cool, but the episode is hardly thrilling. There's some slightly odd editing choices, too, which I found very distracting.

I had to laugh at the end of the episode when Teal'c kisses Ishta in the gate room and SG-1 kind of get uncomfortable and walk away ... but notice that General Hammond is in the background having a good look!

RATING: 7 out of 10

Oma De Salad
February 8th, 2012, 07:16 PM
I liked the storyline and the characters - what the priestesses suffered and how they took control of their destiny. I thought the casting was great - genuinely fit and strong but still feminine women. Ishta was fabulous. Perfect match for T.

The fight scene was excellent!

Matt G
February 11th, 2012, 02:35 PM
Tuesday night...another ep of SG1...

1. Was looking forward to seeing Jolene Blalock in SG1 for shallow reasons, took a bit of getting used to seeing her as a blonde though.

2. Very nice blag from CJ in getting Jolene to play Ishtar!

3. A few GW salutes from TPTB in the character names I believe!

4. Very nicely played from Daniel!

5. As the guys said in the podcast, a good way of extending the tretonin arc.

Solid ep, was good to SG1 back on form.

Lieutenant Sparrow
February 13th, 2012, 05:22 AM
Better than most of this seasons average eps.

The idea of Amazon Jaffa was pretty cool.

Laughed at Jacks penis joke haha

mathpiglet
February 14th, 2012, 12:18 PM
I just rewatched this episode and during Mala's conversation with Sam I started wondering... If the Jaffa women have symbiots in the same place as their male counterparts, where does the fetus reside? Isn't the symbiote pouch in its way? I mean, the symbiote is quite big, after all.

Very good question. I imagine their internal organs just squish together a little more, or they have smaller babies.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
February 14th, 2012, 03:29 PM
An interesting episode.

Chris Judge wrote another good episode, although it is not as good as The Changeling was.

I like the fact there's a faction of Free Jaffa that are female. They'll be back next season.

Tomorrow, Anubis's new super warriors.

Krisz
February 14th, 2012, 06:48 PM
The worst episode of the season for me. Even though it had Jolene Blalock and her performance was the best thing in it, the female Jaffa just didn't seem that convincing as warrior women, Xena they are not!!!!

Jae'a
February 15th, 2012, 08:58 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/37960.html)

jelgate
February 18th, 2012, 02:27 PM
I actually kind of like this episode. It shows more insight into a part of Jaffa culture we knew little about. We learned about how the women of the Jaffa operate and how submissive they had to be. It is not a surprising aspect but I like seeing this none the less. I also like seeing that tretonin has its drawbacks.That is an interesting possible side effect that I kind of wish that was explored a little bit more in future seasons. The whole Hacktyl being stubborn about changing to the new ways of the Jaffa Rebellion is a little on the crazy side it was interesting to me to see how they were resistant to such change even though the old system had them opressed.

Cluas
January 31st, 2013, 11:00 PM
The Tretonin story was interesting. But I fast forwarded on this one. Shame on me, but CJ does not write good scripts IMO

:tealcanime49:

gatechick
February 24th, 2013, 06:04 AM
Here is a question. Sam said that these children have been genetically altered. How do I understand that? I mean are the kids born without the immune system intact at birth? They already have a pouch? It must be so since these children were taken away, and the Goa'uld would not have been able to alter them in anyway since they did not have access to them. But how would they survive for so long without a symbiote and no immune system? Or maybe I am misunderstanding something mentioned earlier in the seasons.

Final
March 23rd, 2013, 12:56 PM
i enjoyed this episode, was interesting and i think chris just wanted tpol for the part so he could snog her! ;)
The same thought crossed my mind after I found out he wrote the part with her in mind. :D


This was a better episode than I remembered it being, but at the end of the day I just find Jaffa society quite boring. There's a decent supporting cast here, and I am interested in how tretonin is worked into any plot because it's pretty cool, but the episode is hardly thrilling. There's some slightly odd editing choices, too, which I found very distracting.

I had to laugh at the end of the episode when Teal'c kisses Ishta in the gate room and SG-1 kind of get uncomfortable and walk away ... but notice that General Hammond is in the background having a good look!

RATING: 7 out of 10
Being able to deal with uncomfortable situations is a sign of leadership. :hammond:


Here is a question. Sam said that these children have been genetically altered. How do I understand that? I mean are the kids born without the immune system intact at birth? They already have a pouch? It must be so since these children were taken away, and the Goa'uld would not have been able to alter them in anyway since they did not have access to them. But how would they survive for so long without a symbiote and no immune system? Or maybe I am misunderstanding something mentioned earlier in the seasons.
I was confused by this as well. As I understand it Teal'c's son was about to get a pouch cut into him during a ceremony when Teal'c saved him so they're probably not born with pouches. His son seems to do well without a symbiote or tretonin so he probably hasn't been genetically altered. I suppose it's possible that Apophis chose not to have his Jaffa genetically altered while others did.

fems
March 24th, 2013, 07:32 AM
I was confused by this as well. As I understand it Teal'c's son was about to get a pouch cut into him during a ceremony when Teal'c saved him so they're probably not born with pouches. His son seems to do well without a symbiote or tretonin so he probably hasn't been genetically altered. I suppose it's possible that Apophis chose not to have his Jaffa genetically altered while others did.

We never got a good look at the boy's abdomen, so it remains unclear whether he already had a pouch or not. It's possible those Jaffa kids are born with one that either opens on its own around puberty or perhaps they use a knife to open it in a ceremony, after which the symbiote will put in said pouch. It doesn't make a lot of sense for those priests to be able to create pouches, since we saw Hathor do her Queen-trick by making Jack a Jaffa in season one and the device and method she used was very different from Rya'c's ceremony.

I think it's just a continuity issue, like a lot of things concerning Jaffa and Goa'uld biology. Unfortunately it's not helped by the fact that there were different writers and PTB over the years as they explored more of the Jaffa/Goa'uld culture and biology. Also, CJ tends to write Teal'c heavy episodes because of something he'd like to see the character to/experience but seems to forget to look at past episodes that have explored similar issues, thereby creating more plotholes, inconsistencies or continuity issues.

hedwig
March 24th, 2013, 07:47 AM
I was confused by this as well. As I understand it Teal'c's son was about to get a pouch cut into him during a ceremony when Teal'c saved him so they're probably not born with pouches. His son seems to do well without a symbiote or tretonin so he probably hasn't been genetically altered. I suppose it's possible that Apophis chose not to have his Jaffa genetically altered while others did.

Ry'ac does have a symbiote. Teal'c gave him his in the first season episode "Bloodlines". And we don't know if he started using tretonin, even by the time of Season 8's "Sacrifices". We know that many of the female Jaffa gave up their symbiotes to go on tretonin, but we never heard whether Ry'ac did as well (he had not given up his symbiote by the time of Season 7, "Orpheus").

fems
March 24th, 2013, 10:53 AM
Ry'ac does have a symbiote. Teal'c gave him his in the first season episode "Bloodlines". And we don't know if he started using tretonin, even by the time of Season 8's "Sacrifices". We know that many of the female Jaffa gave up their symbiotes to go on tretonin, but we never heard whether Ry'ac did as well (he had not given up his symbiote by the time of Season 7, "Orpheus").

Doesn't it take like twelve years or so for a symbiote to mature? So last time we saw Rya'c his symbiote was probably just fine and by the time he'd need a new one, he'd probably try to switch to tretonin like the rest of the Free Jaffa.

Baron Of Hell
July 13th, 2013, 01:17 PM
I liked the episode only wish there was some death by snu snu.

myowndrownedworld
September 28th, 2013, 05:30 AM
Another brilliant episode by Chris Judge. I also loved the team of the female jaffa's. At first, they reminded me of the amazon women from Xena.

Falcon Horus
November 7th, 2013, 05:05 AM
Let's bring in the Amazones. It's a good story, not great. The greatest opposer will change her mind in the end, love interest for Teal'c (Chris wrote the episode after all), and all round kick-ass goodness.

There's a flaw in Mollek's, or whatever his name is, design to kill the girls. If the boys get to live, but the girls in their generation don't -- who do they mate with when they come of mating age? Even with their long life they will have to have a mate at some point in time to sustain Mollek's armies.

Anyway... loved to see horses again, especially the black one was pretty and regal.

Carter's reaction is priceless on two occasions. First when O'Neill says he's eager to help in whatever way when Daniel suggest they could be captured as mates (bar Carter then). And the second time when she tries to explain the "special bond"... awkward!

And I really liked the few actual chainmail jewelry that was presented. Loved that! :D

Meaghan
July 24th, 2015, 06:32 PM
Not a bad episode....

My big problem with this is that I'm not overly fond of Jolene Blalock as an actor. I've seen her here and in ST Enterprise, and I just find her too wooden and not as engaging as others.

I also thought it was interesting that the women were expected to be a 'last-ditch defense' only and yet they were able to win over battle-hardened, experienced warriors. Luck or good writing?

hedwig
July 24th, 2015, 07:46 PM
Not a bad episode....

My big problem with this is that I'm not overly fond of Jolene Blalock as an actor. I've seen her here and in ST Enterprise, and I just find her too wooden and not as engaging as others.

I also thought it was interesting that the women were expected to be a 'last-ditch defense' only and yet they were able to win over battle-hardened, experienced warriors. Luck or good writing?

Most likely, the practice a lot. :)

Anja
September 30th, 2015, 12:34 PM
O'Neill's secret dream: sire for the Hak'tyls!!!!!
This is cliché and a bad one. Carter's reaction is the only one possible.
I liked the plot, nice scene between Jackson and the girl.
Good-natured Frisian horse that is patted by O'Neill.
Best shot: gambling children in a corner of the SGC.

Manche
May 28th, 2018, 09:28 AM
I was thinking about something which was in this episode and in some others as well. It was mentioned that tretonin is the cure who got rid a Jaffa of the dependance of symbionts. But if i remember correctly, it was never shown that someone would find a way how make this cure better and all users were addicted to this cure as well. Is it really so great that they change one addiction for another?

Xaeden
May 29th, 2018, 03:17 PM
It's far from ideal but it's better in the sense that it frees the Jaffa from their dependency on the Goa'uld. As far as we know the Jaffa never got their hands on a Goa'uld Queen, so every few years, when their Goa'uld symbiote matures, they have to get a new one from a Goa'uld by being his/her loyal servant. If they want to be free their only other options were to steal larvae Goa'uld from other Jaffa or die.

Tretonin provided them with an alternate option. Yes, they're dependent on it instead of a symbiote, but they're dependent on something that grants them freedom from the Goa'uld. I know in this episode Neith expressed concern that they were trading dependency on the Goa'uld for dependency on Earth, which is a valid potential problem as even though the status quo wouldn't attach any strings to sharing it with the Jaffa, there's no guarantee that darker elements wouldn't one day come to power on Earth. I don't remember, however, if Earth always controlled the supply to the Jaffa or if there came a time when the Jaffa were able to make it on their own. I can't imagine the latter is not the case, only because there are millions of Jaffa who by this point o=in time should no longer have access to Goa'uld larvae, and Earth's secret Stargate Program does not have the resources to supply all of them with tretonin.

In any case, it's a good enough substitute until a more permanent solution can be devised.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
May 30th, 2018, 06:44 AM
The more permanent solution will come about when young Jaffa are no longer given a primta in the first place. Then their natural immune system won't atrophy, and they won't need a symbiote or a drug to replace it.

Seaboe

Xaeden
May 30th, 2018, 08:57 PM
When Rya'c first got a symbiote it was made to seem more like a choice with his getting sick and needing one seeming to be a fluke, but it instead turned out to be that the Jaffa's immune systems are genetically engineered to fail at puberty so they will need to become dependent on a symbiote to live. Teal'c, who had been in the middle of questioning everything he had been told, didn't believe that it was really necessary back in season 1's "Bloodlines," but he was wrong according to "Birthright:"


ISHTA
This is Synak. This morning she laid on her deathbed. She reached the age of Prata three days ago.

O'NEILL
Hmm?

DANIEL
Puberty.

O'NEILL
Ah.

ISHTA
Without the symbiote we procured this morning, she would be dead now.

ISHTA
This is Nesa. Younger sister to Neith. She is next to reach the age. Without a symbiote, she will die.

ISHTA
As will all our children.

The rest of the episode then deals with trying to get volunteers to go on tretonin, not just because it would free them from their dependency, but because Nesa was close to "requiring" a symbiote, which meant either getting on tretonin or going out and ambushing more Jaffa.

As expected, Nesa does get sick, prompting Neith to insist they ambush Jaffa for their symbiotes but things go wrong. While this is happening, Nesa decides that she does not want a symbiote and consents to going on tretonin, thus making her the first child without a pouch to become dependent on the drug.