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April 30th, 2004, 11:50 AM
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<FONT SIZE=4 COLOR="#0066BF"><B>ENEMY MINE</B></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 707</FONT>
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When Earth's attempts to exploit a newly-discovered naquadah mine are thwarted by a tribe of indigenous Unas, SG-1 must turn to an old friend for help.

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Major Tyler
May 9th, 2004, 01:41 AM
Okay, it seems that almost every human civilization SG teams meet speak English (unless you're watching it on Telemundo) and now they made it so that Unas on other planets speak the same language too. The language inconsistancy is the only thing that really irks me about this series.

-Matt

P.S. To keep it from bothering me, I pretend the Ancients designed the Stargate to alter peoples' brain chemistry just enough so that it's easier to understand other languages.

Elwe Singollo
June 21st, 2004, 12:04 AM
The Unas didn't originally speak 'partial english' when we were first introduced to them, did we? I forgot, but anyway, yah, i was wondering the samething about every human civilization speaking english.

bcmilco
June 21st, 2004, 08:28 PM
Every civilization speaks english because otherwise every episode they would have to show us learning to speak the "other" language it would be so boring. So they pretend that everyone can speak the same language so they can get on to the plot of the story.

As for the Unas Daniel had to learn the Unas language in "The First Ones" And Chaka learned some English. In Beast Of Burden we see they've both learned to understand eachother. So over several years they have learned to communicate with eachother.

Elwe Singollo
June 21st, 2004, 08:35 PM
Yah, i think they stated the reason why all civilizations speak english, i think it was in the episode X-treme Wormhole, and one of the characters ask why the alien civilizations speak english, so yah, i agree with getting straight to the plot and such.

Selmak
July 11th, 2004, 08:14 AM
Chaka became quite the diplomat.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 09:23 PM
need naquida to make war with the Goa'uld... that one leader on the mine was a jerk.

marcus
July 23rd, 2004, 11:16 PM
I really enjoyed this episode.

I've always liked how Daniel was the team member who always tried to preserve peace and always had great repect for other cultures, races and creatures. This episode really lets Daniel do what he does best and it was interesting watching him communicate and form a bond with Iron Shirt.

It was looking bad there for a while and I was thinking that it was gonna end on a sad note but the climax scene where Daniel averted war and forged the agreement was great watching.

I hope we see more of the Unas because apart from the Asgard and the Replicators we always run into different humans or aliens within humans. It would be good to forge a strong alience with a different creature.

Liv
August 2nd, 2004, 07:46 AM
I've always liked how Daniel was the team member who always tried to preserve peace and always had great repect for other cultures, races and creatures. This episode really lets Daniel do what he does best and it was interesting watching him communicate and form a bond with Iron Shirt.


Agreed. That is one of the (many, many) reasons why Daniel is my favorite character on the show. His willingness to embrace different cultures, to always search for alternatives, to trust that things can be resolved without violence - these are the qualities that I so very much love in Daniel.

I just feel like some of that innocence that he had in s1-2 resurfaced in this episode and I loved how Colonel Edwards came closer to understanding his ways at the end.

And the exchange between Lauren and Daniel (when he found out that the artifacts had been moved) were funny, too.

"Daniel... go to your happy place." :D

The only thing that I missed (and I think that´s been stated already) was the actor who originally played Chaka. This new guy was lacking that certain something, can´t really put my finger on it, but I missed it nonetheless.

KorbenDirewolf
August 3rd, 2004, 11:46 AM
Oddly enough, that these Unas spoke the same language as the other Unas.

Genty
August 4th, 2004, 08:39 AM
Zzzzzzz

Yu Huang Shang Ti
August 10th, 2004, 11:31 PM
I liked it, precisely because the language issue is almost never addressed otherwise. If they brought it up all the time then this would've sucked, but the way things are, it was a more unique story.

And Unas are cool.

Anubis
August 10th, 2004, 11:40 PM
I liked it, precisely because the language issue is almost never addressed otherwise. If they brought it up all the time then this would've sucked, but the way things are, it was a more unique story.

And Unas are cool.



Just sounded a bit weird to be. And it didn't seem to fit in with the storylines surrounding the episode. I do enjoy the Unas of course, but I think the ending was a bit too positive. They could have at least had some much better action than that.

SeaBee
August 15th, 2004, 02:46 AM
Two problems with this episode.

1. I was out when this was aired, and my video failed to record the last 20 minutes.
2. What I did see bored the **** out of me, so I didn't really care that I missed the last 20 minutes.

Oh, and I have to say, enough of the Unas, already! :mad:

I thought Daniel getting stroppy over the artifacts was funny, though. :)

Replicarter
August 15th, 2004, 03:45 AM
http://www.alphawebspace.com/~karl/GWPT.gif

Normally when I watch episodes based at the SGC I really want to see off world episodes, but when I watched this I was bored I fell asleep, crap storyline, went really slow, no good action. One of the worst season 7 episodes.

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Lord Zedd
September 9th, 2004, 11:25 AM
http://www.alphawebspace.com/~karl/GWPT.gif

Normally when I watch episodes based at the SGC I really want to see off world episodes, but when I watched this I was bored I fell asleep, crap storyline, went really slow, no good action. One of the worst season 7 episodes.

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Abosulutly NOT I liked seeing Chaka again and Daniel but I hated that rachet colonel.They shot some Unas.Even if they didn't do anything.HIHIHIHi He backed off when he saw all the Unas on the planet hahahaha that was like this :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Allright we'll kneel

Lord Zedd
September 9th, 2004, 11:27 AM
Oddly enough, that these Unas spoke the same language as the other Unas.
So does SG-1 and the most of the human like people.They all speake English even if they are from another planet

Elite Anubis Guard
October 18th, 2004, 08:53 AM
well i liked this episode but i dont like how theyre learning such wat cud be a great enemy into allied.

LMichelle
October 30th, 2004, 03:43 PM
This episode was Classic Daniel. :)

Lisa Michelle

DeccyB
January 8th, 2005, 12:22 AM
I liked this episode, it was good! I like all Unas related episodes.

Lord Zedd
January 9th, 2005, 03:01 AM
I liked this episode, it was good! I like all Unas related episodes.
yeah I like them too. I even like the Unas who spoke in the episode Demons.The Unas from Chimmera I didn't like .It looked really UGLY I saw recently Beast of Burden :D

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
April 11th, 2005, 05:25 PM
unas.... :eek: lo siento perro no me gusta los unas... (i am sorry but i dont like the Unas). i think it is cool however that the sg teams were able to make a treaty with them though :D .

if they only knew they got the worse part of the deal............ :p

girlgater
April 24th, 2005, 05:05 AM
I've enjoyed the Chaka the Unas episodes before, but this one I found a little hard to follow. There was too much Unas talk, I thought. It was kinda a shame that they wound up getting the bad end of the agreement too.

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-girlgater

OrangeShipper
April 26th, 2005, 12:42 AM
Hmmm... Mixed feelings on this one!

The thing about everyone speaking English... I rekon they've all got a Babel Fish (For those HitchHiker fans out there)!!

On the whole I found it quite boring. Slightly too much of Daniel, I would've liked to see more of the others too. And I find Unas eps quite boring anyway.

But then there were some very funny bits (Im a big humour person!) -

"Daniel.. Go to your happy place" was soooooooo funny!!
Also Daniel trying to describe a ship, making wooshy noises and waving his hand around!

And yeah, that Sergeant whoever REALLY annoyed me.. I HATE people like him!!!!!!

Commander Aegir
April 26th, 2005, 09:38 AM
garbage except the fights but apart from that boring as watching paint dry

blingaway
April 26th, 2005, 12:48 PM
It was kinda a shame that they wound up getting the bad end of the agreement too.


I think you're letting your own values color your view. Different people value different things. Kor Asek himself suggested the solution, and I'm sure that if the Unas begin to feel exploited they'll be able to make things sufficiently ugly to get their point across.

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
May 8th, 2005, 06:07 AM
i wasnt really too fond of this episode... it seemed a bit darker than most and also showed the darker side of human's trying to obtain what they really want...i also dont like the unas in general though...

Stricken
June 6th, 2005, 08:09 AM
intersting episode, thats all i have to say

QuiGonJohn
June 19th, 2005, 05:27 PM
I liked the episode. But I thought you could understand the original Chaka better, (not what the words were/meant, but actually hearing them, the articulation). Also, I thought Chaka would have done more of the negotiating.

Maj_Cliffhanger
August 8th, 2005, 11:23 AM
What I liked:
I enjoyed the overall plot quite a bit - it was in fact the saving grace of this episode for me. It flowed smoothly and at a good pace. For me anyway, if felt very much like a season 1-5 episode. Daniel was especially 'classic'. I also liked the way the US government was portrayed - was anyone else reminded of US / Native American history here? Our 'self-interest' motives/actions were quite realistic, IMHO. We're not always the nice guys and poor Daniel was caught in the middle. Another little moment that caught my attention was the end which strongly reminded me of a scene in the movie 'Zulu Dawn' which dramatized the Battle of Isandlwana in the Zulu War in which a small but 'superior' British force (1400 men) was basically surrounded and slaughtered by a much larger and 'primitive' Zulu attack (20,000 men) Interestingly, Chaka (or Shaka) was also the name a very important Zulu historical figure prior to this time...

Favorite moments include:
Did anyone else have flashbacks to the 'Stargate' movie whenever Daniel pulled out that lighter? LOL!

Apparently there's something in those power bars of Daniels that Unas find nearly orgasmic! LOL!

Daniel (concerning the artifacts): "They've been moved."
Lt. Lauren: "They were in the way."
Jack: "Daniel... go to your happy place."

Daniel: "Col. Edwards has no experience dealing with Unas."
Jack: "Nor you."

Daniel to Jack: "I guess I just spent a lot of time breaking you in, I just didn't want to have to start with a new Colonel."

Col. Edwards to Daniel: "Jack was right: you are a pain in the ass... but well worth it."

What I didn't like:
Is my memory of previous Unas eps really that bad or was the make-up job on Chaka as horrible as I think? The mask was way too obvious and it threw me right out of the story. Now, I know that thing was never very flexible but I don't remember it being that *plastic*! SHUDDER! Obviously it wasn't the same guy and I definitely missed him. Why didn't they redo the mouth? The only thing that moved there on Chaka was his bottom lip (the teeth never separated! No wonder it sounded like he was talking through a paper bag!) The other Una had much more realistic mouth movement. The body language was also off. The movements needed to be bigger. I winced when he came through the gate standing so... *human*! SIGH! This was a major problem for me. If MS wasn't such a good actor I don't think I would have ever been able to get back into the story.

I *hated* Col. Edwards - which is not necessarily a bad thing in and of itself; unfortunately the idea that such a xenophobic character had managed to get in the SGC at all, let alone command an SG team was just a bit too much for me to buy!

You really expect me to believe that *any* SG team doesn't know how to perform search and rescue operations?!!

Chaka's character was way too submissive. I mean he's supposedly an Alpha male in his own right on his own planet and his adopted planet - but here he came across as almost being Daniel's pet! The staring match between him and Edwards was nice and should have been a character defining moment but instead it became a painful inconsistency.

Side note: I don't have any problem with the Unas of different worlds speaking the same language because they were originally taken from another world by the Goa'uld as slaves, just as humans were, and scattered throughout the galaxy. Having Chaka and Iron Shirt's languages be too divergent (ala ancient Egyptian and Abydonian) would have taken too long to explore in a one hour show. And the suspension of reality glasses would have had to be much thicker if they spoke English like the one in Thor's Hammer did. I actually loved the consistency of the language. The actors weren't asked to just spout random gibberish but were obviously expected to memorize specific lines that had meaning. It added depth to the story for me.

Overall grade: A very complicated 'C'

Uber
August 14th, 2005, 11:59 PM
unas.... :eek: lo siento perro no me gusta los unas... (i am sorry but i dont like the Unas). i think it is cool however that the sg teams were able to make a treaty with them though :D .

if they only knew they got the worse part of the deal............ :pYeah I'm not big on Unas stories too...but I enjoy it as a part of the greater SG universe...

I didn't like the very little Jack and Sam here. I mean Jack was around long enough to get hurt and Sam's contribution was visiting Jack briefly in the infirmary. *whoopdie doo* :rolleyes:

However there were a few things I liked...

Firstly, we're introduced to Major Lorne who I'm now enjoying on SGA.

Secondly, I enjoy this bit of dialogue:

Daniel: (stopping as he notices something sticking out of the tarp) What's this?
He pulls back the tarp. Lorne stops his progress and walks back to stand beside Daniel.
Daniel: Artifacts? (Daniel turns to look at Lorne.)
Major Lorne: Yes.
Daniel: You found all this and you-you didn't contact me?
Major Lorne: We were going to...
Daniel: They've been moved.
Major Lorne: Well, they were in the way.
In the mean time, Jack has walked back to stand behind Lorne. Jack steps forward and puts a hand on Daniel's shoulder.
Jack: Daniel...go to your happy place.

Thirdly, I liked the fact that we (and by we I mean the SGC) were wrong because it shows we're not superheroes...we are fallible human beings who are prone to make seriously bad decisions. And in this case, we were the intruders. We had NO RIGHT to the Naquadah and Hammond was ordered to make sure that we got it at all cost. This position is of course opportunistic to the extreme and morally we were on the wrong side. It seems we didn't learn anything from the Season 2 Episode Spirits...

And right along with that...

Fourthly: Because we were wrong, I like the fact that we lost. We had to negotiate a surrender or everyone would have been killed. We were wrong and they were right. We had to humble ourselves and it took us down a peg.

So overall not my favorite episode, but it did have some redeemable qualities to it.

:cool:

Albion
August 15th, 2005, 03:32 AM
I've usually enjoyed Unas episodes in the past, too. This one, I found desperately boring first time around. I was very disappointed, for one thing, that we seemed not to have learned the lessons given us in Spirits and seemed to be repeating the same 'who cares about the natives, we want the gold/oil/shiny beads/whatever'.

But it's really grown on me in subsequent watchings and now I quite enjoy it. I enjoy the character dynamics - especially Daniel throughout with the commander and the Unas. I could have done with more involvement from Jack and/or Sam, but the scene in the infirmary is fun and we get some Action!Jack in the fight with the Unas, so that's cool. I love Jack straightening up and pretending it doesn't hurt when Sam walks into the infirmary. LOL.

I like the overall message in this episode - and let's hope to goodness that this time we learned it! :p

Overall, there's a lot to like in this one. Daniel's interactions with Chaka and the local Unas, the character arc of the commander having to swallow his pride and realise he was wrong, even Teal'c had some excellent moments.



Albion :)

Metarock Sam
September 23rd, 2005, 07:49 AM
OK Unas ep not as good as beast of burden or the first Unas ep.

dosed150
September 23rd, 2005, 08:44 AM
the main idea of it was quite similar to the episode spirits

skritsys
November 23rd, 2005, 04:50 AM
IMO this was a good one off, but not one of my favorites. Enjoyable, yes. I like Unas eps, and in this we got to see Chaka again, and this time he went to help the SGC to secure the naquadah, and in through all that, the whole attitude of Major Lorne really goes to show how human arrogance can lead to misunderstandings that can lead to war.

cafine_us
November 24th, 2005, 09:31 PM
Was Major Lorne's attitude that bad? It probably could've been better, but I thought Colonel Edwards had a bigger arrogance problem.

skritsys
November 25th, 2005, 04:34 AM
You're right, got that backwards, I meant Colonel Edwards, not Major Lorne. But the whole attitude in general goes to show how might is not always right.

andrewag
January 5th, 2006, 10:01 PM
I skipped over most parts of this episode, but I did enjoy the parts I did see. The kernel annoyed me. It was also great to see such a species advance so far over the past 7 seasons.

Nem2k
January 17th, 2006, 04:54 PM
I absolutely loved this episode for 3 reasons:
1) it brought back what I consider to be classic daniel and the best side of his personality that we dont really get to see anymore in S8 and 9
2) it brought back one of the things i loved about the series originally, the diplomacy and the use of our brains as opposed to just weapons
3) huge respect for PDL for having the balls to direct a slow episode, because they can be hard to pull off

I dont know why people dont like this episode just because theres no good action and not many firefights because this show isnt (or rather, wasnt) about big explosions and huge epic battles.
SG-1 has always been a very personal show which deals with human emotions, culture, history and people, it has been this way ever since the beginning. so to me, Enemy Mine was a brilliant episode

although i do agree with the points about little Jack and Sam, there didnt really seem to be any reason for this, but I guess it makes sense that this team cant always be together on every mission. I mean even early on in the series in episodes like A Matter of Time, we'd have Daniel go off on his own mission with other teams, I guess this is one of those missions

Darkstar
April 6th, 2006, 02:34 AM
not so great, the poorest episode of season 7, rather dull and over tred uas idea did nothing fo me, no supprises when the unas tools were found, i knew before they said it, an episode i don't grab the DVD to see. :D

garhkal
March 6th, 2007, 08:55 PM
I really enjoyed this episode.

I've always liked how Daniel was the team member who always tried to preserve peace and always had great repect for other cultures, races and creatures. This episode really lets Daniel do what he does best and it was interesting watching him communicate and form a bond with Iron Shirt.

It was looking bad there for a while and I was thinking that it was gonna end on a sad note but the climax scene where Daniel averted war and forged the agreement was great watching.

I hope we see more of the Unas because apart from the Asgard and the Replicators we always run into different humans or aliens within humans. It would be good to forge a strong alience with a different creature.

Agreed. I loved it how that cnl told jackson at the end "jack warned me you were a pain in the ass, but well worth it"..

And i would also liked to have seen more Unas episodes.. heck even if all it was was daniel and Chaka..


Okay, it seems that almost every human civilization SG teams meet speak English (unless you're watching it on Telemundo) and now they made it so that Unas on other planets speak the same language too. The language inconsistancy is the only thing that really irks me about this series.

Other than when the Unas were saying 'daniel', or gou'ald/uman' i did not notice any 'english being spoken.. Where was that?


i wasnt really too fond of this episode... it seemed a bit darker than most and also showed the darker side of human's trying to obtain what they really want...i also dont like the unas in general though...

Agreed, it did 'showcase' our darker side... BUT i also loved daniels arguing with those 2 generals, about how many was enough to 'make it wrong'..


And the suspension of reality glasses would have had to be much thicker if they spoke English like the one in Thor's Hammer did.

IIRC the only reason that one did, was cause he had a gou'ald in him..



Thirdly, I liked the fact that we (and by we I mean the SGC) were wrong because it shows we're not superheroes...we are fallible human beings who are prone to make seriously bad decisions. And in this case, we were the intruders. We had NO RIGHT to the Naquadah and Hammond was ordered to make sure that we got it at all cost. This position is of course opportunistic to the extreme and morally we were on the wrong side. It seems we didn't learn anything from the Season 2 Episode Spirits...

Fourthly: Because we were wrong, I like the fact that we lost. We had to negotiate a surrender or everyone would have been killed. We were wrong and they were right. We had to humble ourselves and it took us down a peg.


Great catch with the 'not learning\ from spirits, and i do agree, i liked it for the 'we were wrong' angle. As to the humbling... it showcased almost for me, what our whole war with the Gou'ald was about.. a less tech race whupping a greater tech race, cause of our determination..

Two_L's
June 5th, 2007, 05:02 AM
I've always really enjoyed the unas episodes, but this one seemed a bit repetitive like I'd seen it all before. It was still an alright episode though and it did have some good scenes in it, like Daniel being told to go to his 'happy place' and the end scene was pretty cool too.


I love Jack straightening up and pretending it doesn't hurt when Sam walks into the infirmary. LOL.

:lol: Loved that too, lol. Although I thought Jack was pretty rude telling the nurse to "go away." But I guess he never is that polite. :P

JoNzA
June 30th, 2007, 03:07 PM
This ep was as alot of ppl already have told but anyway it was really good and IMO is evry episode with the unas is intristing. I would like to see them become quite advanced but I don´t think this will happend but it would be nice :)

JoNzA
June 30th, 2007, 03:17 PM
Chaka lookt really cool in this ep with the real clots :D

SpinningChevron
June 1st, 2008, 08:45 AM
Just watched the episode yesterday for about the tenth time and never noticed before until now that Major Lorne is in it. I guess you learn something new everyday.

MmmmMcKAy
July 13th, 2008, 05:48 PM
I think this episode is a bit of a snoozefest.

I do respect Daniel's determination to find a peaceful solution the discord.:daniel:

SG1FanOregon
August 4th, 2008, 04:20 PM
I did enjoy this ep. I enjoyed a show where Daniel's linguistic skills were needed. It adds a bit to the reality. I do like Chaka & the Unas, & I understand they're fairly primative, but I wish they took a bit more time to expand the Unas vocabulary a bit. Sometimes there entire language is centered around less that 20 words. Thats the only thing that throws me a bit. I loved that hard headed colonel finally seeing he was wrong & getting on his knees like a good boy who deserved a spanking before ending up as Unas toejam LOL. Like the Nox and Tollund said more than once, we're still very young. This episode was definately a growth experience for the SGC

L E E
August 12th, 2008, 06:02 AM
I think this episode is a bit of a snoozefest.

I do respect Daniel's determination to find a peaceful solution the discord.:daniel:

I agree on both sentiments.

Most memorable scene: Jack telling Daniel to "go to his happy place". :)

janus 510
April 7th, 2009, 06:09 AM
excellent episode because it was a better unas episode than others which I didnt like to much

Jumper_One
April 22nd, 2009, 04:44 PM
Jason writes: “Did you ever expect the character of Lorne to take off like it did when you first came up with the character and named him after your brother or father in law? Thanks for casting Kavan Smith in the role, he’s one of my favorites now.”

PDL: Major Lorne is named after my brother-in-law Lorne Loder in the episode “Enemy Mine”. Kavan Smith stood out from the get go. He’s very focused, handsome and talented. It was a no brainer to bring him back. I didn’t ‘expect’ him to work on Stargate as much as he did but I was not ‘surprised’ because he is so good. (He’s one of my favorites too.)
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/april-22-2009-director-peter-deluise-answers-your-questions-another-upcoming-guest-blogger/

vzzzzzbx
June 12th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Just watched the episode yesterday for about the tenth time and never noticed before until now that Major Lorne is in it. I guess you learn something new everyday.

Same here, I only realised when watching it again just now - you would think though being an experienced military officer the sight of the dead guy (forgot his name) would not make him want to throw up.

KayLyne
February 25th, 2010, 03:11 PM
I just caught the last half of this episode on SyFy. It reminded me of how much this one needs to go onto my "incredibly BORING episodes" list. On the bright side, Patrick Currie & Alex Zahara did a great job with their unas characters.

mrscopterdoc
March 26th, 2010, 01:04 PM
Sam isn't in here much....

dislike the Col Edwards acting like a jerk....

looks like the wrong Chaka [different actor maybe?]

maneth
October 24th, 2010, 10:37 AM
Once again a very strong episode for MS. Colonel Edwards was a blinkered hardcore military guy. I'm glad Daniel Jackson managed to earn his respect in the end.

Anthonyr1391
January 20th, 2011, 09:17 PM
As to the how do all the unas know the same language question. It could be like for example Latin turns into French, portuegues, and Spanish and the spread to the country's they are in now. or In Other words the all started on the same planet speaking the same language and once separated small deviations in dialect occurred. And also I really enjoyed this episode. I like the unas as a spiecies people and culture

Marshal Valor
May 5th, 2011, 11:47 PM
Hmmm... this sounds familiar...

Military organization from Earth comes to alien planet in search of precious mineral unavailable on Earth, but nonetheless needed for our (human) survival. In process of trying to exploit this natural resource, humans disturb a sacred ground belonging to a technologically primitive indigenous race. Said natives become angry at this desecration and attack the humans, eventually gathering all the tribes (Braveheart-style) and outnumbering puny humans. In the course of all this, one human who is friendly to these natives tries to establish diplomatic relations with them, only to have his efforts wasted by a military commander too eager to use force to either re-locate or completely wipe out the indigs.

Now where else have I seen something like this?

Maybe like a movie or something...DO NOT HOTLINKhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Avatar-Teaser-Poster.jpg

Well, the SG-1 episode aired years before the James Cameron film, but the scriptment for "Avatar" was was written way back in 1994. So... which idea came first? And does Mr. Cameron watch any SG-1?

Dave2
December 22nd, 2011, 02:33 PM
Another Daniel solo episode which was the price to take him back as RDA and DSD were on their way out after Corin Nemec.....

LeftHandedGuitarist
January 15th, 2012, 03:13 PM
I love Unas episodes, but this is probably the weakest of the bunch. It's not bad, but a little on the dull side and has the stereotypical unreasonable military officer character. It's a shame Dion Johnstone wasn't available to play Chaka here, as the replacement just doesn't look or feel right (though, I would never have guessed that Patrick Currie was playing him). Alex Zahara is always so recognisable no matter how many prosthetics he has on!

Carter barely has a role in this one, but Daniel shines again. General Vidrine looks much better with the moustache.
It's a shame there's no more Unas episodes after this, I was just getting the hang of their language!

RATING: 7 out of 10

terminator
January 15th, 2012, 03:30 PM
So how come everyone is cool that all aliens speak English but every single English-speaking planet has their own different written language that they read (computer screens, etc) WHILE SPEAKING ENGLISH?

fems
January 16th, 2012, 12:02 AM
So how come everyone is cool that all aliens speak English but every single English-speaking planet has their own different written language that they read (computer screens, etc) WHILE SPEAKING ENGLISH?

It's code of course :P

Dave2
January 16th, 2012, 08:59 AM
Excellent point, and of course the computers have tranlations such as that of Narim the Tollanan. But some aliens have their own languages that are not translated on occasion, i.e. the Goa'uld and the Abydons.
But SG1 is never amazed how all the aliens can pretty much communicate with them in standard English, even if they do not relate to idioms and slang. Why wouldn't at least one planet have Russian or Chinese as their native language?!


So how come everyone is cool that all aliens speak English but every single English-speaking planet has their own different written language that they read (computer screens, etc) WHILE SPEAKING ENGLISH?

terminator
January 16th, 2012, 05:13 PM
Because in 42 min you can't learn a new alien language every week that is a boring show. BUT....when you reference Russian or Chinese we also know that Daniel speaks around 19 earth languages so for us viewers it would probably help our suspension of disbelief if we actually had a few episodes where the aliens did use alternate earth languages and we just use Dr. Jackson to translate to SG1 and us viewers. Obviously we hear SG1 speaking English so just a few subtitles while Daniel communicates with the aliens in Russian, Chinese, whatever would be a small price to pay for us the viewers to not have to keep pretending the English speaking aliens are normal. Especially when Yu, the Asgard, or Cronos (sp?) were involved those would have been great opportunities to throw in something else.

fems
January 17th, 2012, 07:18 AM
Because in 42 min you can't learn a new alien language every week that is a boring show. BUT....when you reference Russian or Chinese we also know that Daniel speaks around 19 earth languages so for us viewers it would probably help our suspension of disbelief if we actually had a few episodes where the aliens did use alternate earth languages and we just use Dr. Jackson to translate to SG1 and us viewers. Obviously we hear SG1 speaking English so just a few subtitles while Daniel communicates with the aliens in Russian, Chinese, whatever would be a small price to pay for us the viewers to not have to keep pretending the English speaking aliens are normal. Especially when Yu, the Asgard, or Cronos (sp?) were involved those would have been great opportunities to throw in something else.

Only problem with that is you'd need native/fluent speakers that fit the role and can act too. Far too often when American shows try something like this the foreign language is abused and the pronunciation is horrible. There've been times I couldn't even understand what an actor was saying when they were speaking in my native language (which I wouldn't have recognized if they hadn't said what language/country it was) and I had to read the American subtitles to understand it... the attempts are often laughable and only makes the characters look foolish, especially if they're supposed to speak a bunch of languages fluently.

terminator
January 17th, 2012, 07:53 AM
Only problem with that is you'd need native/fluent speakers that fit the role and can act too. Far too often when American shows try something like this the foreign language is abused and the pronunciation is horrible. There've been times I couldn't even understand what an actor was saying when they were speaking in my native language (which I wouldn't have recognized if they hadn't said what language/country it was) and I had to read the American subtitles to understand it... the attempts are often laughable and only makes the characters look foolish, especially if they're supposed to speak a bunch of languages fluently.

I can't argue with that but when we are talking about stuff that never happened but we wished it did that gives us the freedom to speak about things as if it were a perfect world and everything worked out exactly how we had hoped. Hypothetically I have 20 billion dollars but sadly no..... apparently the world just isn't perfect enough to have that luxury. One can dream though... I'll go ahead next time I'm wishing for stuff that won't happen and throw in a couple million for you too just to be nice how's that?

Dave2
January 17th, 2012, 08:46 AM
It appears that Michael Shanks knows Russian, RD Anderson knows Spanish, etc. Maybe they know more. Of course Shanks also knows Ancient and Goa'uld too. ;-)
He is also getting pretty fluent in Unas. "Chaka, chaka.....no, chakaaaaa")


I can't argue with that but when we are talking about stuff that never happened but we wished it did that gives us the freedom to speak about things as if it were a perfect world and everything worked out exactly how we had hoped. Hypothetically I have 20 billion dollars but sadly no..... apparently the world just isn't perfect enough to have that luxury. One can dream though... I'll go ahead next time I'm wishing for stuff that won't happen and throw in a couple million for you too how's that?

Matt G
February 7th, 2012, 01:46 PM
Tuesday night...another ep of SG1.

1. First time we'd really had Unas as bad guys for a long time...even temporarilly.

2. Another Jack light ep...but this one worked.

3. Negotiations were a lot of fun.

4. "We're ready" "no you're not". On the original UK airing there was an ad break here.

5. Some very fun facial expressions here - even from an Aspie perspective.

Solid and fun ep.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
February 9th, 2012, 03:39 PM
It was a pretty good episode, good pacing.

Maj Lorne makes his first appearance in this one. Edwards was kind of jerk (heck, all the military (sans SG-1 & Hammond) were kind of jerks).

Tomorrow, a good old (alien) space race.

Krisz
February 9th, 2012, 07:06 PM
This one is one of my favourites of season 7. A great story of how misunderstandings can get out of hand and escalate into tragedy. Thank goodness for Daniel and Chaka!

One of my favourite funny moments....

Daniel getting upset about the artifacts being moved and Jack telling him to go to his "happy place."

I never noticed before that Major Lorne first appeared in SG-1! It was a nice surprise to see him, he always has that lovely personable smile.

Jae'a
February 10th, 2012, 09:05 AM
This one is one of my favourites of season 7. A great story of how misunderstandings can get out of hand and escalate into tragedy. Thank goodness for Daniel and Chaka!
Yes indeed, what a team. :D

And I definitely like Lorne more than McKay so far! :P

My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/37353.html)

Matt G
February 11th, 2012, 02:21 AM
Ah yes, forgot to mention Lorne, first impressions of the guy were as a decent XO to Edwards but not someone I expected to see again.

Lieutenant Sparrow
February 12th, 2012, 01:46 AM
A great ep. The Unas tend to have an effect on you. Turning what could be a boring ep into a good one.

I was actually quite touched by the ending. Made me feel quite good inside.

And I take it this is how we get enough Naquada to power the Daedalus class ships.

jelgate
February 12th, 2012, 03:03 PM
This is why I dislike S7 so much. It has so many dud episodes. Enemy Mine is no exception. It kind of sickens me how the 4 star General decides to his subordinates that if the planet has high naqaduh deposits they are going to relocate the Unas. Have we learned nothing from the explotation of other cultures? The colonel annoys me in his arrogance of calling the Unas beasts. The negioating with the Unas is dull and thier is little in action or development that this episode is quite boring.

Oma De Salad
February 12th, 2012, 07:52 PM
Solid storytelling. Good episode.

- Crusty ol' Col Edwards is just great.

- The Unas are an honorable culture. It can be difficult to watch them being taken advantage of. It is funny to me how the Unas alpha dog each other and finally, Col Edwards and team.

- The deal the Unas made in conclusion was the perfect lukewarm concession. Better than a bag of beads. And they did get that fancy lighter. IMHO, any more than minimal compensation for their labors and resources would be wishful thinking instead of good storytelling.

discodiva
February 13th, 2012, 12:04 AM
Best line ever..."Daniel, Go To Your Happy Place!"....:jack: :daniel:

discodiva
June 9th, 2012, 11:56 PM
Yup...loses none of it's appeal....Daniel Jackson, peaceful explorer, negotiator and breaker-in of colonels!...:P

And it's still a great Jack O'Neill line!..:jack::daniel:

Thoroughly enjoy this one...

Deeds xx

Lieutenant Sparrow
June 10th, 2012, 07:53 PM
I'm watching the movie Enemy Mine at the moment. The name of this ep and Unas have to be tributes to this movie.

Starry Starry Night
August 14th, 2012, 12:02 PM
When I was watching this episode I felt really angry. It was horrible to see the actions of those military types.. So we humans are better and more intelligent than the unas so we can do whatever we want and even their lives are worthless.. What goa'uld like behavior...

Of course Daniel was the one to save the situation. I wa glad to see the situation resolved in the end, even though it was of course too optimistic, but that's nice to see sometimes... :)

I'm getting a bit tired of the unas though...

Cate'sCorner
January 5th, 2013, 09:13 AM
I really enjoyed this eppie, for all the reasons that have already been mentioned here. Jack's "Daniel, go to your happy place" is one of the funniest from the whole series, and I loved how Daniel stuck to his guns, earning Chaka and his new Unas allies the respect they deserved.

For a Lorne lover too, there's the bonus of our favourite Major's first appearance, but as XO on SG11 instead of Sheppard's. It's interesting how his role changes by the time he gets to Atlantis, from a member of a scientific mining team to a more military team leader. You didn't see any of that during Atlantis' run, which is a shame - it might have given us some backstory for how he came to the SGC to start with.

:)

Cate

Cluas
January 31st, 2013, 10:08 PM
I liked this one. Always enjoyed to see the Unas.
Michael Rooker did a very good job as Edwards. (Wait, I just saw him in "Walking Dead") and once again we see how difficult it sometimes is for the "Tauri" to work together

:daniel09:

Baron Of Hell
July 12th, 2013, 03:02 PM
I like the episode but would like to see a Unas episode where the Unas were more advanced than Earth. Given how old they are you would think a few of them would by on Asgard level by now or at least have star ships.

garhkal
July 16th, 2013, 01:58 PM
Maybe as a race, they ahve a mental block for tech>

Seaboe Muffinchucker
July 18th, 2013, 06:47 AM
We are interpreting what is advanced from a human, Western, point of view. There are other kinds of advancement.

Not to mention the inherent assumption that advanced>non-advanced.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
November 6th, 2013, 01:53 PM
Major Lorne in season 7 of SG1, and he's still a major in season 5 of Atlantis. So awesome to see him. I knew Kavan was in SG1 but I'd forgotten what season.

And bless Chaka... he's become quite the Unas diplomat.

Us vs them again, and us just waltzes is and claims the place without even giving it a second thought. Damn, us can be arrogant at times. I wanted to smack them over the head with an Unas yolk. The certainly deserved the whoop-ass.

Seeing all the tribes coming together to defend their territory is just awesome. Tell it to the Earthlings! Reminded me of the first battle we see in Gladiator where the German tribes face the Roman legions. Epic!

Another okay episode...

garhkal
November 6th, 2013, 02:34 PM
WEll, its a common thread in almost any scifi that "Humans are smart therefore should own"..

Falcon Horus
November 6th, 2013, 03:12 PM
Humans should therefore be ashamed of themselves.

Lunaeclipse
February 1st, 2014, 04:36 PM
I liked watching Daniel do his linguist thing even if it seemed a little far fetched to a point...

I Am Not James Spader
September 25th, 2015, 01:55 AM
An absolutely fantastic episode.

The whole set up - adding in two officers who outranked Hammond and O'Neill, the return of Chaka, Michael Rooker - gave the sense of dread throughout that this was not going to end well for anyone and that the military would barrel no matter the cost.

My stomach was in a knot. That is damn good TV, and damn good sic-fi.

:)

garhkal
September 25th, 2015, 10:05 PM
i really wish we had people in Hollywood who appreciated damn good Sci-fi.

Anja
September 27th, 2015, 11:50 AM
Militarism versus reasoning - shoot first ask questions later or try to find an agreement.

Jackson saves it and the military guy is not too cocky to state - great plot.


Chaka the ace up the sleeve - well done. Love the ep. :danielanime13:

I Am Not James Spader
September 28th, 2015, 12:57 PM
Militarism versus reasoning - shoot first ask questions later or try to find an agreement.

Jackson saves it and the military guy is not too cocky to state - great plot.


Chaka the ace up the sleeve - well done. Love the ep. :danielanime13:

Hence the fiction in science fiction.

This episode highlights how people should behave. Unfortunately they don't, as history will attest.

Queen Guinevere
December 5th, 2015, 11:09 AM
really really missed the Original Chaka. He was sweeeet! This guy just feels off... Plus, prosthetics are horrible.

The first Lorne-sighting, yay!

Anja
December 7th, 2015, 01:06 AM
really really missed the Original Chaka. He was sweeeet! This guy just feels off... Plus, prosthetics are horrible.

The first Lorne-sighting, yay!

In my opinion this Chaka couldn't have been sweet - he was the most important figure to make the plot work.

Falcon Horus
December 7th, 2015, 01:15 AM
Chaka evolved since the first time we saw him. His entire situation changed at the end of that first episode when he killed the Alpha male of the group, so sweet Chaka pretty much died when he became alpha male.

Queen Guinevere
December 8th, 2015, 07:25 AM
maybe. But did he really need to become so wooden? The first actor played him amazingly and while I agree with you and Anja that the new Chaka-diplomat should act more alpha-male-ishly being the important figure and so on, but I still want him to be an interesting, alive, endearing person he was before - not just a token "weird alien".

Well, anyway, all the valid points about the episode (arrogant earth-military and politicians, strangely xenophobic SGC-colonels) were mentioned in this thread already. I obviously came here too late :jack_new_anime25: :thoranime01:

Falcon Horus
December 8th, 2015, 12:02 PM
Was Chaka portrayed by two different actors?

I can't remember.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
December 9th, 2015, 07:04 AM
Yes. He was first portrayed by the same actor who played the alien in The Fifth Man, and then by the actor who played Michael in 1969.

Seaboe

Queen Guinevere
December 9th, 2015, 08:15 AM
omg, is this the same actor? I didn't know that! I loved the alien from "TFM", but would never think it's our Chaka :) To play an Unas convincingly, that's, you know... Too bad he haven't played more interesting roles

Falcon Horus
December 9th, 2015, 09:22 AM
Ah... totally didn't remember that.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
December 10th, 2015, 06:36 AM
IIRC, those two actors played the greatest number of minor roles on the show, eight each (mostly in heavy makeup).

Seaboe

Anja
December 11th, 2015, 01:25 AM
They did it brilliantly, because nobody noticed it!

Lunaeclipse
December 12th, 2015, 06:46 PM
Yes. He was first portrayed by the same actor who played the alien in The Fifth Man, and then by the actor who played Michael in 1969.

Seaboe

Are you sure he didn't play Iron shirt and not Chaka? IMBD has Alex Zahara (as Michael on 1969) as Iron Shirt and not Chaka... and it lists G.Patrick Currie as Chaka in Enemy mine...

Seaboe Muffinchucker
December 14th, 2015, 07:38 AM
I see where I went wrong. Alex played Chaka in Beast of Burden, not Enemy Mine. So three different actors played him, then.

Seaboe

mparsons1981
August 7th, 2017, 08:58 AM
Currently watching this episode. It's really not very good! The cliche of the 'idiotic army man with guns' has been played out so much. I love stargate, but feel its episodes like this that prevented stargate from being truly great.

It's lazy writing.

Anja
August 17th, 2017, 12:59 AM
Wouldn't call that idiotic but normal human attitude - protect yourself and take what you want - has been this way for centuries.
I am neither American nor military but I liked this ep.

unscheduled traveller
January 31st, 2018, 07:20 PM
Anyone else notice the colonel Edwards was Merle from Walking Dead.

Manche
March 2nd, 2018, 01:25 AM
I do not like this episode very much but it has one big plus for me: an introduction of major Lorne into the world of Stargate.