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GateWorld
April 14th, 2006, 01:27 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 2810</FONT>
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A London man meets a group of people who are obsessed with the Doctor, believing that he saw him once as a child. But when they start working for a man with a hidden agenda, none of them is safe.

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The Signal
June 17th, 2006, 12:23 PM
I really didnt like it. It didnt feel remotely like a doctor Who episode, there wa slittle in the way of decent character moments, it wasnt even all that funny.

The only things that saved it were the couple of comic lines that tickled me, Elton's feeling of love towards the TARDIS, something many many whovians feel from time to time. The other bit was seeing the Doctor explaining why he was in Elton's home, the look on the Doctor's face was full of regret, well acted as usuall.

As for the comedy lines, there was the "We do have a love life" which was a bit of a *cough* moment, inapropriate, and generally I hate that sort of thing in Sci0fi *cough* Vala*cough*, and highly immature, but it just tickled me slightly, sorry... *sits in corner* . The other was of course:
Doctor: Whats the twin planet of Roxicoricophalapatorius?
Abslorbaloff (what a terrible name, at least it wasnt serious): Clum.

It just tickled me.

Seriously though, terrible episode:4/10

in circles
June 17th, 2006, 12:25 PM
Well it was never going to be any good compared to the last 2 episodes. Far too much Peter Kay being Peter Kay but at least that guy from Hustle was good. I'm all for them trying something new but more alien planets plzkthx.

The Signal
June 17th, 2006, 12:26 PM
Oh, and the Torchwood reference, just in case it wasnt blindingly obvious the first time they said it twice. I was far happier to hear the words Bad Wolf again.

Metarock Sam
June 17th, 2006, 12:30 PM
Well It was an ok episode but It didnt really work well.
Although many congrats that Kid who design the Azorbaloff well thats a great creature I thought it was really cool and had the best line ever.

Doctor : Whats the twin planet of Raxicoricofallapatorius ?
Abzorbaloff:Klum
Really tho at the beginning when the Doctor and Rose were chasing the monster was I the only person who shouted 'Its Scooby Doo !!!'
Next weeks ep doesnt look that good im just looking forward to Army of Ghosts.
I givbe the episode on a whole around 4-5 out of 10. Mostly for the Azorbaloff which was cool but Doctor Who doesnt really work if it isnt from the Doctor or companions perspective.
Really it was a bad episode. Almost as bad as New Earth but the Azorbaloff saved it.

One side note this is the second time in the 'New Who' that the autons have appeared and they havnt been called Autons in both episodes.

Wraith Scientist
June 17th, 2006, 12:35 PM
I really hated this one

I am not even going to consider this ep cannon! If it is mentioned or aluded to again I will put my fingers in my ears and hum loudly. All the characters annoyed me, especially Elton and Jackie, and the storyline was so lacking. It was just silly. This is the worst episode yet.

And the constant Torchwood references are so unsubtle.

What an incredible drop in quality from The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit to this ... urgh :(

*takes out demat gun and blasts the episode into temporal oblivion*

shockwave
June 17th, 2006, 12:39 PM
the episode was crap
RTD crap

hated the alien, Kennedy should have been human

Elton geek girlfriend was annoying.

Way to campy. The ending was so pathetic with her face in a stone. Bwoark

And there should have been more doctor.

The Elton character was an intersting concept, but its execution sucked. Citizen Joe was better, and even that wasn't so good.

Worst ep ever.
The Doctor Who equivalent of "The Tower"

The Signal
June 17th, 2006, 12:39 PM
Really tho at the beginning when the Doctor and Rose were chasing the monster was I the only person who shouted 'Its Scooby Doo !!!'

Thank God, I thought I was the only one :P

Commander Ivanova
June 17th, 2006, 12:42 PM
Not your usual Who ep, that's for sure.

Pros-
Liked the Nod to Stargate with the Tardis in the hieroglyphs, LOL!
Marc Warren - yum
Peter Kaye as the alien was truly gross

Cons-
Short on actual Dr. Who screen time
Bit silly generally

BTW, I wasn't shouting 'Scooby Doo', more 'Benny Hill', could just hear that infamous bimbo chase music

BC - 303
June 17th, 2006, 12:51 PM
Liked Peter Kay
Liked the Absobalator
Likes Hustle guy
Liked Bad Wolf Virus
Even Liked Jackie Tyler, only later, when she was hitting on that guy it just made it worse.
Liked the Story idea

Hated the way the story was told, it was told so stupedly, 10 minutes of Dr who, and 35 minutes of Crap story telling. I mean the IDEA was golden, its the way they presented it was just poor.

The Scoobie doo bit was way to stupid personaly!!

I dont think Torchwood is ment to be suttle, i think its just ment to say that Torchwood know everything about Aliens and are a big organisation. It not like "what is the mystery of Torchwood" like it was with Bad Wolf last year, As we know the mystery of Torchwood, we found out in Tooth and Claw

pbellosom
June 17th, 2006, 01:20 PM
well, that was ...different. I'm not sure whether I like it or not. But there were some points I drew from that:

1. When Elton was talking at the beginning about his "alien encounter" the way he said it sounded like no-one really beleived in aliens. Does this mean that they successfully mamaged to cover up the Christmas Invasion?

2. When Mr Kennedy was talking about the "Torchwood files" no-one asked what Torchwood was. When you take into account that in School Reunion's tardisode Mickey's screen announced that the page was blocked by Tochwood are we to assume that most people know of torchwood's existence?

3. Bad Wolf. Yay!

I also think I found a continuity error. At the beggining of the episode when Elton is filming his old house for his dicumentary style thing he has Ursula filming it, it even shows her hand. Surely by this time she had allready been turned into a paving stone.

I loved the Scooby Doo style thing (if they meant it to be a Scooby Doo homage, if not it was stupid)

Also a stupid point occured to me: what would happen if Ursala and Eltton were to break up?

Flyboy
June 17th, 2006, 02:13 PM
Ok, My views.

Yes, definitely Scooby Doo at the beginning. *sigh*

I actually LIKED the style of this episode. The perspective of someone who's life was touched by the doctor momenterily was wonderful. The acting from Elton was fantastic. I loved the flash backs and history of The Doctor. But that's where the praise ends.

Negative stuff.

All I could see was Peter Kay! FFS! PETER KAY, they needed a different actor.

The character should have been human frankly, I suggested somebody who trades alien artifacts, trades to people like Van Statten.

The abzorblimoff was good. But not with Kay, and not for this episode. The chase was daft as well.

The ending was nuts. The slab daft. And frankly... GAH! Set up Rose's death nicely though.



***

As for Torchwood and Bad Wolf. I LIKE that the references are subtle to Torchwood, when the hell are people gonna get theyre not supposed to be as subtle as Bad Wolf. Torchwood is MEANT to be more obvious thats the FREAKING point. It's an organisation, secret maybe, but still a powerful presence.

ANd wow for the Bad Wolf, I didnt leand the previous speculation ANY creedence, but the Bad Wolf virus is fantastic. Im all excited.

Billz
June 17th, 2006, 02:21 PM
Not really sure what to think about this episode. I'll have to watch it again to do a 'final verdict'. One thing is for certain, 'The Impossible Planet' and 'The Satan Pit' are still the best episodes of this season.

Wraith Scientist
June 17th, 2006, 02:28 PM
As for Torchwood and Bad Wolf. I LIKE that the references are subtle to Torchwood, when the hell are people gonna get theyre not supposed to be as subtle as Bad Wolf. Torchwood is MEANT to be more obvious thats the FREAKING point. It's an organisation, secret maybe, but still a powerful presence.

Problem is though, in The Christmas Invasion, Harriet Jones was one of few people that actually knew of Torchwood's existence, and even she wasn't supposed to know about it. Torchwood was an incredibly secret organisation that only a few people in top positions knew about.

But suddenly, in Love & Monsters, Torchwood seems to be public domain, and LINDA hacks into their files on the Doctor with seemingly no effort at all.

Maybe they went public?

Tracy Jane
June 17th, 2006, 02:47 PM
The Absorbasloff thing... Blue Peter ran a competition to design a monster, and Kay's character was the winning design. So having heard in advance that the monster was designed by a ten year old, I didn't really expect anything more. As for casting, I think the whole episode was designed to appeal to that Blue Peter audience. They, for example, not only cast Peter Kay, who is a huge children's favourite these days, but also Shirley Hendersen who plays Moaning Myrtle in the Harry Potter films. It had a very childish feel to it, and though I really disliked it, it is no more or less than I expected from the winning Blue Peter episode.

Flyboy
June 17th, 2006, 02:56 PM
I just think the character was severely poorly used.

As for Torchwood. Let's look at the evidence, shall we?

Sighting 1: "Bad Wolf" - Weakest Link Question

Well its REALLY far in the future, it probabley came out.

Sighting 2: "Tooth & Claw" - Queen Victoria,

Well it was the first time she had the idea so...

Sighting 3: "School Reuinion" - Blocked Net Page

Basically, the EXISTENCE of Torchwood isn't secret, but what they do obviously is... otherwise they wouldnt have their name as a big block screen.

Sighting 4: Rise of The Cybermen

Alt Reality - Forget it.

Sighting 6: The Satan Pit

Well it was once again in the future, so it probabley came out, if not, it was still a Torchwood Captain tlaking about it.

Sighting 7: Love & Monsters.

The Abzorblamoff, probabley knew about Torchwood through evil alien spy tech or whatever, eithe rway, he was an alien and he stole files...

Madeleine
June 17th, 2006, 09:24 PM
Oh dear. Please don't throw cabbages at me but -

:: gulp ::

- I liked it.

I thought Elton was really lovely. I liked the little gang of friends, and the way Elton described each of them he made them feel real pretty much before we'd met them. I found the format of the show, especially the narration, very un-who; I didn't really mind. Odd, because I loathed Citizen Joe, which was also a look at the Heroes through the eyes of some random chap the Heroes never knew or never thought about. But Elton was just so nice.

And I know the humour was a bit juvenile, but it was funny and juvenile. They're not mutually exclusive, I think. LOL at the 'infiltration' of poor Jackie.

I did have a problem with the non-linear nature of the story, because Firstborn couldn't cope and kept asking questions so I didn't hear the dialogue; which was a shame because it was good stuff, well delivered (except myrtle's and Peter Kay's was too camp). But the concept of the monster was really good.

I'll be rewatching it.

ShadowMaat
June 17th, 2006, 09:27 PM
The Moaning Myrtle thing was actually a bit distracting. I didn't realize how distinct a voice Shirley has.

Yeah, it was a lame, cheesy ep, but I didn't hate it. I liked that it tied in to past eps of the show and while the Torchwood thing was a little heavy-handed (as usual) the Bad Wolf virus was kinda neat. I actually found myself wondering if Jack scuttled the information himself in order to try and protect Rose. Logistically that probably doesn't work, but it made me smile to think about it. :)

I loved Elton. He's a bit of a twit, but he's an adorable twit and while the dancing around got over-used, it WAS kinda funny the first time or two. Just like Jackie to try and lure him in, too, and him apparently not realizing it until the final cornering.

Resurrecting the girlfriend as a slab was creepy and stupid. And creepy. And stupid, too. There was no continuity error, though, as the scene where Elton and Ursula are walking along by his old house was filmed before everything happened. Or I assumed it was, 'cause she asks him what happened and he says he doesn't remember. Or something to that effect.

If this was supposed to be an "outsider's view of Who" type ep (Like Lower Decks or Other Guys or By Any Means Necessary(was that the B5 one?)) then it failed miserably. I hope they don't do another ep like this and there are a lot of ways that it could have been MASSIVELY improved and tightened up (either lose the "talking to the camera" bit or end it with someone popping the tape out and sticking it in the Torchwood Archives- bit more subtle of a reference) but I still think that Idiot's Lantern was worse.

I'm with Mads. I liked it.

Madeleine
June 17th, 2006, 09:32 PM
... end it with someone popping the tape out and sticking it in the Torchwood Archives- bit more subtle of a reference

THAT would've been the best Toorchwood reference since Tooth & Claw.

ShadowMaat
June 17th, 2006, 09:44 PM
OH MY GOD!!!! Marc Warren!! I thought I knew that name! He's playing Teatime in the Hogfather movie. TEATIME!!! AAAHHHH!!!

*runs away screaming*

Having the hots for Teatime. That's so... so... so... wrong... To say nothing of dangerous. ;)

Easter Lily
June 18th, 2006, 12:40 AM
Well, that was a bit different... :P

For a while there I thought... "oh, flashback episode..." Dr Who with a flashback episode was a novelty and some one had the taken a leaf out of Stargate. But it turned into something else.

It wasn't a bad episode but I would have liked to have seen more of the Doctor... That's my only beef.

Naonak
June 18th, 2006, 05:44 AM
I'm not sure about this episode. There were parts when I wasn't really bothered, but other parts which were really good. Very up-and-down episode.
It was a good premise (kind of like a cross between 'Heroes Part 1' and that Buffy episode where Andrew is making a film), but they didn't quite pull it off. Too much of Elton talking at the camera, and the bit where 'LINDA' starts just hanging out was a bit long.

6/10 ("Klum" gets it an extra mark).

shonac85
June 18th, 2006, 06:05 AM
I'm not sure about this episode. There were parts when I wasn't really bothered, but other parts which were really good. Very up-and-down episode.
It was a good premise (kind of like a cross between 'Heroes Part 1' and that Buffy episode where Andrew is making a film), but they didn't quite pull it off. Too much of Elton talking at the camera, and the bit where 'LINDA' starts just hanging out was a bit long.

6/10 ("Klum" gets it an extra mark).

I have to agree with you Naonak, I'm not sure. I liked it, but it wasn't the best of episodes. I mean, I like how it wasn't all about the doctor, and it was a different type of story, but parts were a little... i dunno, off... that's the only word for it. Off. I did like it though. I would watch it again.

Flyboy
June 18th, 2006, 07:03 AM
I loved it until we actually saw the Abzorblomoff.

ellymelly
June 18th, 2006, 08:07 AM
I did like it except the girlfriend should have died. Before that it felt real - resurrecting her made it tacky and stupid.

but overall it was an interesting change - definatly needed more doctor though!

gooner_diva
June 18th, 2006, 11:11 AM
Well, this was certainly... different. At first I thought it was going to be a clipshow like Letters From Pegasus. :P Not enough of the Doctor and Rose in my opinion. I think this one falls into the same category as The Girl In the Fireplace - I definitely won't be rewatching it.

beale947
June 18th, 2006, 12:17 PM
Well this episode had lots of bad points, which all have been said, but a good point is you see how the doctor affects other people without realising it. We hear about things like that. Anyway 4/10, just.

Indum'kra
June 18th, 2006, 12:30 PM
Didn't like it much, although there was still some of that brilliant Who dialogue in there ("Clum!" :rolleyes:).

ShadowMaat
June 18th, 2006, 12:57 PM
I liked the X-Filey music riff they kept playing. I'd been wondering if the "Mr Skinner" thing was just a coincidence, but the music made me think maybe the name was intentional.

Terrah
June 18th, 2006, 01:36 PM
I thought I could hear X-Filey music LOL, I quite liked the ep, I think it was either that or a clip show. Quite a bold move and I think they pulled it off.
:)

bella
June 18th, 2006, 01:58 PM
Worst. Episode. Ever.
Apart from a few amusing touches I hated it. The only reason I watched until the end was because Marc Warren and Shirley Henderson are two of the UK's most talented actors, it's just not apparent in this episode :(.
It felt like a cheap knock-off by clumsy untalented hacks, the DW equivelent of Turkish Star Wars.

Feel better now.

Darkseid
June 18th, 2006, 03:09 PM
I know this is wierd, but I am going to end up having a soft spot in my heart for this episode, I just know it. Mostly because, a lot of the story I thought of 20 years ago!

I always thought that there would be a group of people out there, their lives effected by The Doctor. I always thought that somehow they would organize somehow. There is this ghost hunting group here in my local area. They would go out to cemataries late at night and take pictures and such, and they are more organized then it seems most of the people in the Doctor Who Universe with spaceships crashing in Big Ben and all. With the internet where it is, it only seems natural that The Doctor would become sort of an urban legend like Bigfoot and such. It was sort of touched on in the episode 'Rose' with the guy who had the website devoted to The Doctor, but then the show went on its way.

The only problem with this episode is it seems like RTD didn't know if it should be a comedy, a farce, a drama or theatre of the obserd. My thoughts are this;

1) For years ELO was played for montages by nerds, geeks and wierdos. Recently, I have noticed their music played for commercials like Target and such. I am very happy. Always thought ELO was underrated big time. Big fan I am.

2) So there is Elton with his group of misfits. All had their life touch by The Doctor somehow. There was a quick referance made during a montage by one of the women, "While The Doctor has changed, the only thing in common is this blue box". This made me chuckle. If anyone out there has ever read the fantastic book 'Who Killed Kennedy' I found it around those lines as well. I don't care much for Stargate, but I did see the cave drawings with the TARDIS there and all. I first thought maybe it was done by the Tribe of Gum. But, I don't think this was the same type of cave drawings. They looked more Egyption, or Myan. Hard for me to tell.

3) I enjoyed the bit with Elton going through Autons, the ship and Big Ben and then The Christmas Invasion. Nice touch showing a guy whose life was effected by something he almost blanked out when he was three.

4) When the fatman comes down from the elevator and turns on the lights my first thought was, "OH MY GOD!! IT'S VICTOR BUONO!! THEY DUG HIM UP FOR DOCTOR WHO!!!"

5) The fat alien guy reminded me of a cross between Fat ******* and that fat creature/vampire thing from the first Blade movie.

6) The bit at the begining with The Doctor and Rose chasing that beast through the doors was cute for the first two seconds, then it got old. Real quick. I was waiting for Harpo, Zeppo and Groucho to come out.

7) The lack of Doctor and Rose reminds me of a story I once heard of William Hartnell. I want to say it was 'The Time Meddler' where his agent negotiated him an extra week off, so there was an entire episode where he doesn't appear at all, it's just his companions looking for him. I would think that Tennant and Piper must have loved this shoot since they were hardly in it, and yet they probably got paid for it.

8) I liked the character development with Jackie Tyler. Here is a woman, an attractive older woman, who really shows her lonlieness. Her only daughter is gone to god knows where, doing god knows what with an alien in a Time Machine. She was lonely before, but at least had Rose in her life. She isn't getting any younger, and can see, with each passing day, her life going by her. Her life by herself. Her life on her own with no one to love her or to love. This is a terrible feeling. So she meets this young man at a laundry mat, speaks to him, find out he is good at fixing a fuse. Then, for some wierd reason, it seems a fuse goes out in her place once a week. So Elton, being a nice guy, comes by and fixes it for her. Of course Elton has an agenda trying to find Rose and such. But Elton really isn't a bad guy. He is a guy whose life has been turned upside down by this whole Doctor thingy. This we see at the end, when Rose appears out of the TARDIS ready to kick Elton's ass for hurting her mother. Who here wouldn't do that for their mother? Then, of course, Rose realises the truth. Elton was a man who has had great pain in his life, and somehow The Doctor was there when it happened. His mother died. The girl he liked 'died'. He was simply a man trying to find some truth of a mystery, and it went a little too far. I would have liked to have seen a bit where Elton send Jackie some flowers or such, sort of a 'no hard feelings, sorry about everything, I was being manipulated by a fat alien' sort of gesture, but I have a feeling Rose will fill her in on what was going on.

9) I liked Elton. I wouldn't mind seeing him in the future.

10) The whole bit with the people's faces in the monster was way too corny to be taken seriously. The girl with the glasses, the girl on the beasts butt. Just plain stupid.

11) I didn't know the Sonic Screwdriver could bring melted people back to life as a brick? Wow, there's a new one!!

All in all, I didn't care for it, but I know there are parts I liked. I will say I didn't dislike it as much as that just stupidly terrible Cybermen episodes.

I don't know if I am looking forward to next weeks or not. 2012 Olympics sound good, but I didn't see a villian that really seemed like a threat.

Matt G
June 18th, 2006, 03:21 PM
OK...

1. Well first the teaser chase scene was dodgy.

2. And then there's Peter Kay dragging out all possible cliches.

3. And then there's the fact that this was a generally pointless ep.

4. OK...the forming of the community was cool...but still...

Chances are my nephew enjoyed it. I considered it New Who's first cackfest though.

Jonzey
June 18th, 2006, 03:36 PM
Well I enjoyed it. It was different, but the Doctor is always going on about how curious and inquisitive humans are- and I think this ep was meant to show that. I also thought all the characters (even though they were mostly one-off ones) were nicely developed. Didn't like the alien though- human form he was ok, but alien form he was just another bad alien.

beale947
June 18th, 2006, 04:12 PM
I felt really sorry for Elton at the end, because he lost everything, because of the doctor, but i expect him to end up working at torchwood or something:P. But i felt so sorry for him, and all the doctor could do was to give him part of his girlfriend back.

Kaloo
June 18th, 2006, 05:03 PM
I thought it was pretty entertaining(the things like the 'Scooby Doo scene, I took as Elton exagerating) until the Alien guy came... I mean, how the hell do they NOT notice the screaming from inside of the.... wherever they were. It seemed fairly happy go lucky, until he came.

I'd give it a Something low out of somthing high

Willow'sCat
June 18th, 2006, 10:20 PM
Well I liked it, I like it when shows do this. The X-files did a great episode kind of the same with Scully, and Buffy did one and well... I liked it so there. :p :D

I loved Jackie in this. ;)

Hanmer
June 18th, 2006, 11:12 PM
The teaser chase scene was my favourite bit. And the fast Rose ignored the Peter Kay Monster to shout at Elton.. Classic...

bella
June 19th, 2006, 02:45 AM
1) For years ELO was played for montages by nerds, geeks and wierdos. Recently, I have noticed their music played for commercials like Target and such. I am very happy. Always thought ELO was underrated big time. Big fan I am.

Have you seen the Marks and spencer ads with the models dancing around to that same song? I briefly wondered if it was some sort of parody and Erin O'Connor was going to turn up in M&S underwear!

P-90_177
June 19th, 2006, 03:46 AM
Comic book guy voice: Worst Episode ever!!!

yaaayoubetcha
June 19th, 2006, 08:17 AM
apparently i'm in the minority in that I liked it.

normally i'd expect something like this from Trek, as it was cheesy, but it was good cheesy to me.

I loved the scooby doo homage at the beginning and really love Moaning Myrtle. She's actually quite cute apparently, when not a ghost.

Grooved to ELO whenever they played it.

Loved the X-Files-esque music.

I think this ep is the most obviously not classic Who and I think that's why there's a lot of complaints.

I don't feel that every ep has to have a point in a grander arc as that was never the point. Now I wouldn't want to see an 'outsider perspective' ep every season or anything like that, but as a one off I think it was pretty good. I giggled, I chair danced and I related to all the pop culture references.

The only thing that grated on me was once the alien's true form was revealed, all i could think was Fat Bassturd from the Austin Powers movies. Dead Sexy!!!

ShadowMaat
June 19th, 2006, 08:47 AM
The Scooby Doo thing rocked.

I did like the ep, but compared to something like, say, [i]Jose Chung's 'From Outer Space'[i] from X-Files, it pales in comparison.

Now, if Darin Morgan had written L&M... the mind boggles at the possibilities. ;)

Jonzey
June 19th, 2006, 02:44 PM
All I know is I wouldn't want to live out my life as a paving stone.



For one thing, you'd have people walk all over you! :p

IMForeman
June 19th, 2006, 04:27 PM
I enjoyed it. Yes, the Absorbaloff was a bit rubbish, but I loved the story of Elton, and I think Mark Warren, Shirley Henderson, and Camille Codouri all put in really stellar performances in this quirky, offbeat episode.

spaceman1701
June 19th, 2006, 05:56 PM
What the hell was that. That was easily the worst episode I have ever seen. Did anyone understand that episode. How about the freak telling the story and his woman who is a rock(at the end). Wow!!!!!!

ShadowMaat
June 19th, 2006, 06:05 PM
There was an alien. He absorbs people for their energy and knowledge. He was after the Doctor as a sort of ultimate snack. He used a dippy group of innocents playing at investigators to try and draw out the Doctor (snacking on the group along the way) and was eventually defeated by his own greed.

The story was a bit wobbly, but I didn't find it hard to figure out. I could have wished for more depth or coherency, but I still enjoyed what we got. Except for the paving stone thing, which was creepy and pathetic. And I really can't imagine the Doctor condemning someone to a horrific half life like that.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
June 19th, 2006, 07:00 PM
I have to say this about the episode, It sucked (I even knew that when I saw the promo last week), I give it a * 1/2.

I hope next week's episode makes up for this crappy one.

and yes this dead last in my list of my favorite episodes.

Now I'm off to GEOS (http://geos.tv/) to give a rating of this episode.

Darkseid
June 19th, 2006, 07:09 PM
The worst episode ever? Not by a chance. You have evidently never had to sit through The Web Planet, The Twin Diliema or The Gunfighters

I just sat and watched it a second time, and actually liked it better this go around. Mostly for the character development of Jackie and the emphisis on character. The cheesy lines, "TASTES LIKE CHICKEN!" Could have been left out, honestly I think someone needs to edit RTD scripts with a little more eye for detail.

Willow'sCat
June 19th, 2006, 09:06 PM
I understand why some people hated this episode and why they feel the need to let you know, but for me this is what TV should be about. I am old enough to remember when shows were not all carbon copies and when TV didn't stick strictly to formula week in and out.

I don't see this so much as a Doctor Who episode ( yes I know it is Doctor Who) I see it more as a cheeky poke at fans and scifi fandom. I think if you have a serious focus on the show you would hate this episode and you just won't be able to "get" it but as a non-Doctor Who/Doctor Who eppy I really liked it.

Could there have been more of the two main characters yes probably but then that is missing the point; I really see this as a gentle slight towards obsessive fans of the show and scifi in general. Why do I think RTD has had a lot of mail from upset/obsessive fans lately. :p

Having said that, I do want the next 3 episodes to be serious and pack a punch. :cool:

Easter Lily
June 19th, 2006, 10:30 PM
^That's what I pretty much thought it was in the end... Something like Stargate's The Other Guys or Joe Citizen... it had that kind of feel.

I didn't even mind the Abazarlof or whatever it was called... I loved the Scooby Doo chase scene but I would have liked to have more Doctor moments.

Ailikor81
June 20th, 2006, 02:00 AM
Loved it myself :)

Jonzey
June 20th, 2006, 02:51 AM
I understand why some people hated this episode and why they feel the need to let you know, but for me this is what TV should be about. I am old enough to remember when shows were not all carbon copies and when TV didn't stick strictly to formula week in and out.

I don't see this so much as a Doctor Who episode ( yes I know it is Doctor Who) I see it more as a cheeky poke at fans and scifi fandom. I think if you have a serious focus on the show you would hate this episode and you just won't be able to "get" it but as a non-Doctor Who/Doctor Who eppy I really liked it.

Could there have been more of the two main characters yes probably but then that is missing the point; I really see this as a gentle slight towards obsessive fans of the show and scifi in general. Why do I think RTD has had a lot of mail from upset/obsessive fans lately. :p

Having said that, I do want the next 3 episodes to be serious and pack a punch. :cool:
Yeah, I mentioned this in another thread- whenever the writers try to do something different, it's almost always met with hostility, and yet these episodes are the ones which turn new people onto the show and are remembered for years to come.

Look at Wormhole X-Treme. Loads of people hated it when it first aired, and it was different from the usual stuff (more of a parody of the show). And yet, looking back, it's one of the most memorable episodes and one which people are still complaining about five years later.

Billz
June 20th, 2006, 03:10 AM
Id just like to remind everyone that there already is an episode discussion section in this Doctor Who forum. Just a friendly reminder.

PS: Sorry, I used to be a moderator on a different forum so Im used to doing things like this.

ShadowMaat
June 20th, 2006, 04:31 AM
Whoops, hadn't noticed it wasn't in the official ep discussion thread (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=27425). Now that it's reported, maybe it'll get folded back in where it belongs.

L&M is a love it or hate it kinda ep- folks seem very polarized on the issue. It's a very easy episode to hate, I'll admit, but I found it more entertaining than Idiot's Lantern, which is still the worst ep in my book. IL took itself too seriously whereas L&M reveled in its utter silliness. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It didn't for a lot of people, but it did for me. And I just love Elton. :)

Callie
June 20th, 2006, 04:40 AM
I loved the episode. So it wasn't classic Doctor Who, but it was fun and quirky and had great music. I've watched it 3 times since the weekend and still have fun with it.

And just for information, Tennant and Piper didn't get a week off - they were busy filming another episode at the same time as this one was being filmed, and had to be rushed over to this set to do their sections of this episode. So, if anything, they were actually working harder than usual!

DigiFluid
June 20th, 2006, 10:12 AM
Oh dear. Please don't throw cabbages at me but -

:: gulp ::

- I liked it.

I thought Elton was really lovely. I liked the little gang of friends, and the way Elton described each of them he made them feel real pretty much before we'd met them. I found the format of the show, especially the narration, very un-who; I didn't really mind. Odd, because I loathed Citizen Joe, which was also a look at the Heroes through the eyes of some random chap the Heroes never knew or never thought about. But Elton was just so nice.

And I know the humour was a bit juvenile, but it was funny and juvenile. They're not mutually exclusive, I think. LOL at the 'infiltration' of poor Jackie.

Thank you, I thought it was just me. The only other thing I've seen Marc Warren in was Band of Brothers, but he was damned good in this.

I thought it was really neat that they mentioned the "Bad Wolf virus", one of the few well-done retcons I've ever seen.

Mr Prophet
June 21st, 2006, 11:29 AM
I actually liked it. It wasn't quite Doctor Who and I wouldn't be much interested in LINDA the spin-off, but I did like it. Certainly better than The Other Guys, if not quite to the standard of Jose Chung's.

The face in the slab was...iffy. When her voice first came on I thought she was going to turn out to have become part of him, but I don't know if that would have been any better.

Tracy Jane
June 21st, 2006, 12:09 PM
I thought it was going to be a robot.

beale947
June 21st, 2006, 01:39 PM
It was too cheesy really, that was what the problem was,

Eye Of Ra
June 21st, 2006, 06:08 PM
The ep was crap

Willow'sCat
June 21st, 2006, 08:28 PM
Look at Wormhole X-Treme. :o I loved Wormhole X-Treme. :D What can I say I love shows that take time out to ridicule not only themselves but their fans. ;)
I mean it is only TV. :tomato:

Tracy Jane
June 22nd, 2006, 04:00 PM
I loved Wormhole Xtreme too. I thought it was very funny. If anything, this ep was probably closer to Citizen Joe than Wormhole Xtreme.

Jonzey
June 22nd, 2006, 05:08 PM
I loved Wormhole Xtreme too. I thought it was very funny. If anything, this ep was probably closer to Citizen Joe than Wormhole Xtreme.
True, I just mentioned WXT as an example of a ''different'' type of episode which splits fans into two main groups.

ShadowMaat
June 22nd, 2006, 06:51 PM
Did you guys see the vid on the BBC site about the kid who designed the Abzorbaloff? Cute! ;)

Night Marshal
June 26th, 2006, 01:38 PM
Oh dear. Please don't throw cabbages at me but -

:: gulp ::

- I liked it.


So did I, I think its good for a show from time to time to do differant things, so times they work some times they don't, but it this case I think its funny and I enjoyed that the ending wasn't just bring everything back to normal but there was price to pay. Of late it seem that the doctor has been getting out of everything unscaved. Sure ricky left but that was of this own free will. And I think there is a good point that the Doctor while he does good he is also one that brings alot darkness to whereever he goes.

on side note I tired of this whole last timelord bussness. With that Doctor going on and on about how it was. It seem to me that if he want things to to return to those time he should pick up the pieces. Start there work again. It not this style but As the last it seem that some point he is going to have to live up to this responce ablity. /end rant

BC - 303
June 26th, 2006, 02:09 PM
There is always conciquences, Fear her was the first 10th Doctor story where nobody died. So he doesnt always fix it.
And he doesnt like picking up the pieces, to many questions.

ShadowMaat
June 26th, 2006, 03:23 PM
It'd be really funny if another Timelord showed up, just to knock the Doctor off his "Last of my Kind" pedestal. ;)

Night Marshal
June 28th, 2006, 11:37 AM
There is always conciquences, Fear her was the first 10th Doctor story where nobody died. So he doesnt always fix it.
And he doesnt like picking up the pieces, to many questions.

When I said people dieing I mean people like rose and micky. people that have been around for a little while we general like and then boom there died. that all she wrote. not much at the end of the season. From what I have seen the new Who is more about Horror than science finction. And there isn't anything wrong with it, in fact I rather like it. But in a world this dark sometimes people just die because there is nothing you can do to save them. and it should surpise you and make you mad. And there should be high points to where no one dies. but If you want to make horror you should make it so that the only person we know will make it out of an ep is the Doctor and maybe sometime only the doctor that is his curse after all.

silverdamascus
June 29th, 2006, 02:01 PM
It'd be really funny if another Timelord showed up, just to knock the Doctor off his "Last of my Kind" pedestal. ;)

Well god knows how many times the Master has been killed off and magically brought back, so you never know. :D

I'd love to see a modern Master, though they'd have to get someone pretty impressive to match Tennant.

Wraith Scientist
June 30th, 2006, 03:16 PM
Well god knows how many times the Master has been killed off and magically brought back, so you never know. :D

I'd love to see a modern Master, though they'd have to get someone pretty impressive to match Tennant.

Would be a very up-down ep

Bad news: I'm the last of my kind
Good news: Someone survived
Bad news: It was the Master
Good news: He has reformed
Bad news: It's a trap

ShadowMaat
June 30th, 2006, 07:12 PM
Well god knows how many times the Master has been killed off and magically brought back, so you never know. :D
Yeah, I did think of him, but I was also thinking of someone a little less obvious. Random Timelord #3 or whatever. Just to throw a spanner into everything. ;)

Madeleine
June 30th, 2006, 07:16 PM
Romana went off into e-space when I was too small to be able to remember twenty-five years on what e-space is. Might Romana have survived the Time Wars? (If she has, I hope her straw hat hasn't...)

Willow'sCat
June 30th, 2006, 10:07 PM
Romana went off into e-space when I was too small to be able to remember twenty-five years on what e-space is. Might Romana have survived the Time Wars? (If she has, I hope her straw hat hasn't...)Aw, I liked the hat.

Anyway, The Doctor said something like he could tell if there were any TimeLords left, I think The Master being not so much a TimeLord, could have survived and The Doctor wouldn't be able to sense him.

Yes I want to see The Master. :D

silverdamascus
July 3rd, 2006, 02:41 AM
Well there's always away around that. :D Just say he was too upset, too guilt ridden over what happened that he couldn't feel the other Time Lord existed, he blocked himself off from it. Or if it was in the case of the Master, he refused to acknowledge him, conciously or not, as another Time Lord.

ShadowMaat
July 3rd, 2006, 03:21 PM
Ya know, you can go through your whole life without ELO and then all of a sudden the same song turns up twice in a month.

Just finished watching Magic Roundabout (a very silly kids movie) which not only featured Mr Blue Sky, but also featured Tom Baker as the baddie! Life is very weird sometimes...

IMForeman
July 4th, 2006, 09:04 PM
Romana went off into e-space when I was too small to be able to remember twenty-five years on what e-space is. Might Romana have survived the Time Wars? (If she has, I hope her straw hat hasn't...)

Sadly, no. In his article about the Time War in a DWM Annual, RTD stated that Romana was Lord President of Gallifrey when the Time War was fought. One can assume that she perished with the rest.

Darkseid
July 4th, 2006, 09:18 PM
Sadly, no. In his article about the Time War in a DWM Annual, RTD stated that Romana was Lord President of Gallifrey when the Time War was fought. One can assume that she perished with the rest.


I've always had a theory that she was the one who saved the planet.....but that's a different thread.......

ShadowMaat
August 26th, 2006, 03:05 PM
Y'know, I've been watching my S1 DVDs and I noticed that at the end of WWIII The Doctor gives Mickey a virus to upload to destroy evidence of his (the Doctor's existence). The AoL/WWIII ep is also the one where the TARDIS got graffitied with "Bad Wolf."

Now, in Love & Monsters we have the Abzorbaloff (from Glom, sister planet to Raxacoricofallapatorius) dishing up info he supposedly got from Torchwood... with some gaps caused by the Bad Wolf virus.

The link HAS to be common knowledge, but I'd never noticed it before and I don't remember it being discussed here. Mostly it was just folks saying how absolutely crap the ep was. ;)

...Or was that what Digi meant by the virus being retconning?

Albion
August 29th, 2006, 08:51 AM
Well, I didn't expect to like this one. I'd been warned it was dire by some long time fans. But, you know...I just adored it. Yeah, it didn't have much of The Doctor or Rose in it, but surprisingly I didn't mind that at all. I thought it was hilarious. A real laugh riot.

I loved Elton and his little gang. The way they got together initially to talk about the Doctor, but slowly grew to be friends. I loved the Doctor and Rose at the start with the monster and the whole "Someone wants to talk to you/You upset my mum!". ROTFL!

Also ROTFL'd at Jackie eyeing up Elton and his naive commentary was priceless: "The fuses kept blowing out. I think this flat is jinxed."

I also found it very poignant at moments - Jackie describing her loneliness and obviously missing Mickey. Made me realise that with him gone she has no one at all she can share her worries about Rose with. No one who understands how she feels about time travelling all around the universe. And her response to being 'betrayed' by Elton was desperately sad.

Also when Elton lost Ursula - had a few snuffles then. I loved Rose's heart going out to him and her going to comfort him, even though she'd been pissed at him just moments before. A really sweet character moment.

And, frankly, anyone who loves ELO is a hero in my book. :D

It all got a little silly by the end - was anyone else reminded of that ad with the belly chasing the guy down the street when the Peter Kay alien was chasing Elton? Peter Kay was my only downside on this one. I've never been much of a fan of his and his personality did tend to overwhelm the alien at times, which just sounded waaaaay too weird.

And for some reason I found The Doctor suddenly yelling, "Elton! Fetch a spade!" absolutely hysterical. Although I tend to agree with ShadowMaat:


Except for the paving stone thing, which was creepy and pathetic. And I really can't imagine the Doctor condemning someone to a horrific half life like that.

I still have very bad pictures in my head as to what their 'love life' is like. Urgh. But it doesn't bother me to the extent that it spoiled the episode. Thought it was a little gross and not really the cute 'happy ending' that I suspect RTD thought it was when he penned it, but it was a fleeting moment for me.

So, overall, I really enjoyed this one and it's one I'll watch again. So count me in the minority who loved it, didn't mind it didn't feature our heroes much, and thought it was just a fun romp with some delightfully sweet characters.

Albion :)

ShadowMaat
October 28th, 2006, 06:22 PM
Had a Love & Monsters moment watching Jeopardy the other night. The answer was eczema and Alex Trebek said, "EcZEEma. ...Or eczema." Hee!

Col.Foley
December 8th, 2006, 06:22 PM
Just got done watching it. One of the most boring episodes that I have seen, had its few slight chcukles in it. Like a big fat green alien monster chasing a blond headed guy through London, in his Underwear. Not enough of the Doctor. After last weeks episode, a major let down.
6.5/10

ShadowMaat
December 8th, 2006, 06:28 PM
I know everyone hates this ep to pieces, but I still love it. :) And just think: dippy, goofy, brainless Elton is going to be ruthless, psychotic, deadly Teatime in Hogfather... I can't wait! ;)

Col.Foley
December 8th, 2006, 07:35 PM
Although, there were the occasional good moment. However, i know some other fans have been complaigning about the Rose family, how the Doctor keeps on going back to that moment in time. I agre, I am getting tired of it, move on, give us some more off planet stuff.
However, she did surprise me, that bit while Elton was holding the Pizza was great, nice speach. I wonder what her speech will be if Rose really does die in battle.:(

ShadowMaat
December 8th, 2006, 07:46 PM
Usually I'm one of the first to say I'm sick of Rose and her damn family drama, but I liked the way it worked in this ep, maybe because Rose wasn't there and so it was more about Jackie (who can admittedly be irritating but came through gloriously this time around).

lord-anubis
December 8th, 2006, 07:58 PM
expet for the whole scooby doo case seen that was great. i the whole ep seem boreing to me. im probly going to watch it again any ways its about to come on over here on the west cost. i like next weeks ep just a little bit more fear her.

MarshAngel
December 8th, 2006, 08:44 PM
Nice to see I wasn't alone. This episode was a yawn. I really didn't like the characters. My sister saw this episode as her intro to Dr. Who... she fell asleep and complained when she was awake. Jackie can be annoying but she was the only redeeming part of this episode.

Nolamom
December 8th, 2006, 11:24 PM
Different. Missed the Doctor. Interesting to see things from a new, albeit goofy, perspective. Can't decide if I liked it or hated it. Jury is still out. Ursula was a distraction - gotten too used to the actress as "Moaning Myrtle" and I kept thinking of that every time she spoke.

SGalisa
December 9th, 2006, 08:55 AM
okay, my hubby and I thought it was a fairly shallow episode (Jackie's obvious flirtatous moments), considering the past 2 seasons have been better for the most part.

...Elton's personal autobiography...
not to be confused with that other "Elton" {Elton John}...
but even tho I didn't recall hearing Elton's last name, I wondered if his middle name was "John"... anyway... :p

Torchwood... here in the USA, the eps are a bit behind the BBC, but loved the connection to Torchwood. ;)


Problem is though, in The Christmas Invasion, Harriet Jones was one of few people that actually knew of Torchwood's existence, and even she wasn't supposed to know about it. Torchwood was an incredibly secret organisation that only a few people in top positions knew about.

But suddenly, in Love & Monsters, Torchwood seems to be public domain, and LINDA hacks into their files on the Doctor with seemingly no effort at all.

Maybe they went public?or they popped up as the latest chain of conspiracy theories already out there - as in "AREA 51" and Roswell, New Mexico being mostly of the conspiratorial UFO fame in the USA. ;)

or.. maybe the fat alien ate / absorbed someone who was directly connected with and privy to the secrets of Torchwood, or a rogue hacker kid (possibly similar in geeky savvy to Micky), and that's how he ("Kennedy" the alien) managed to track Elton's new group down. Maybe Elton's group were easier targets chosen for infiltrating, because as *LINDA* - they were already attempting to track the Doctor as obsessed *fans* of the Doctor, and were not military -- so they weren't necessarily deemed as "armed and dangerous" and mostly likely would be more vulnerable in executing any proverbial "divide and conquer" tactic. :eek:

Kingomon
December 9th, 2006, 10:07 AM
Nice to see I wasn't alone. This episode was a yawn. I really didn't like the characters. My sister saw this episode as her intro to Dr. Who... she fell asleep and complained when she was awake. Jackie can be annoying but she was the only redeeming part of this episode.
I'm with you, I like to give things a chance but:mad: :mad: :mad:
I'm haveing a sg-1 200 flash back but at least it had it's characters. Come on, about some slobs life who likes the doctor and wants to meet him. I boo this episode and hope this guy never shows up again and they stay with the Doctor and Rose from now on.

Josephine
December 9th, 2006, 06:58 PM
I liked this as a one shot episode, but only once a season, if that. I liked the bit where the Doctor stopped and said (paraphrasing) "Don't I know you?" to Elton. :)

SGLAB
December 9th, 2006, 09:23 PM
I liked this episode. Which kind of surprises me because I don't usually like episodes that are mostly about the guest characters and not much about the regulars. But I thought they did a really good job of making me interested and care about these guest characters.

I liked the side of Jackie that was shown. How hard this really is for her having a daughter that travels all over in a spaceship/time machine.

full.infinity
December 10th, 2006, 09:36 AM
Jackie is the one element from the Rose story that I just don't like. I really wish that she would have died in the Christmas Invasion or something. She was annoying in every episode she was in(except after she was Cybermanized, I liked her then :P) and she continued to be annoying here.

creed462
December 12th, 2006, 03:45 PM
I like this ep reminded of a William Hartnell ep I read about called Mission to the Unknown, sadly lost.

Josephine
December 14th, 2006, 07:07 PM
I realized why I don't like the monster from this ep. At the end, where he's in his true form, he reminds me of Fat [email protected] from the Austin Powers movies, and I can't stand that character. One sour note in an otherwise good ep. :(

ShadowMaat
December 14th, 2006, 07:39 PM
I didn't like the Abzorbaloff either, but I think part of it was Peter Kay. I know the ep was kind of a silly one but he made it SO over-the-top it was hard to enjoy. I got my mum to watch the ep this time around and as soon as Elton and Ursula go back into the building I told her, "And this is where it all starts to go wrong." The fact that it was also just a guy in a fat suit instead of a monster the size of a double decker bus (as the BP kid had originally planned) probably didn't help either. Not sure how they would have worked out the logistics of that, though. Maybe Blomites have the same kinda field whatses that Raxacoricofallapatorians did. Only better designed for the gas exchange. :P

MasySyma
February 6th, 2007, 08:31 PM
Ok. I finally watched all of it. I only watched half last time.

It's ok if there is a defintion of ok that is between meh and bad. Parts of the episode were quite well done, but other piecers were rubbish.

Pluses:

Jackie. She can be annoying, but this time, it was nice to see how lonely she feels, and I agree, the scene with the pizza was amazing. I also loved the Rose was going to beat Elton up for messing with Jackie.

"Elton, Get a Spade." I remember thinking "huh?" The new Ursula is a bit weird, but at least, she lived.

Elton is ok in the end. I wouldn't mind seeing him again.

Minuses:

LINDA took forever to get to the point. They were cute for about five minutes, and then, I either wanted the Doctor back or to watch them get eaten. They were even slow about being eaten.

The alien. Again, I agree with others. I'm not a Sliveen (SP) fan on a good day, but this didn't help. He just looked like a fat lump of something dying in the back the refrigerator on legs.

I missed the Doctor. I generally miss the Doctor when new episodes aren't on, but somehow this was worse because I could see the Doctor for only seconds at a time. Now we know how Tantalus feels.

Overall, I won't need to see it again, but my main problem with the episode is the ending. I like the conversation about the price of knowing the Doctor, but the episode felt weird when it ended. I found myself depressed, which isn't the point when I watch Doctor Who.

Trek_Girl42
February 7th, 2007, 01:52 PM
I realized why I don't like the monster from this ep. At the end, where he's in his true form, he reminds me of Fat [email protected] from the Austin Powers movies, and I can't stand that character. One sour note in an otherwise good ep. :(
That was exactly what I thought..... :S

Odd ep, but not bad, I missed The Doctor though. :(

Dumper
May 12th, 2007, 12:33 PM
Oh dear, for me that was the worst episode since Dr Who returned.

Alan
May 12th, 2007, 05:45 PM
This is a great episode! It's a wonderful commentary on Doctor Who fans. There are definitely parallels. Look at it like this:


A person becomes involved with the Doctor / Doctor Who.


This person follows him / the program and everything related religiously.


They meet other like-minded people and form a group.


Those group members become friends because of their regular meetings together.


News about the Doctor become less and less frequent and any news that is heard proves false but the group remain friends, stay together and become more interested in music. / New developments about Doctor Who's return to TV screens become less and less frequent and any news that is heard proves false but the group remain friends and become interested in other sci-fi programs.


A man named Victor Kennedy appears in the group and sparks new interest in the Doctor. / A new TV movie is in the works and sparks new interest within the group about Doctor Who.


One member of the group follows a promising lead to the Doctor but it fails to pan out. / The TV movie airs in 1996 but it fails to be the starting of a new series.


The Doctor is finally found and the man realises that life in the Doctor's world is so much better. / Doctor Who returns to British TV in 2005 and fans realise that TV is so much better with it back.


What I saw in Love & Monsters drew very close parallels to my life as a Doctor Who fan. I became interested in the program. I followed it until it was put on pause and somewhat beyond but I started to lose interest when there was little news about it's return. I was re-energised as a fan by the '96 TV movie. I joined a Doctor Who group and I'm now more a fan than ever since it's proper return in '05.

ShadowMaat
May 12th, 2007, 07:36 PM
Well, I loved the ep, but that "parallel" seems like a bit of a stretch, especially the last one. I thought the whole point of the ep was that life in the Doctor's world wasn't wonderful and perfect, it was scary and dangerous and innocent people tend to get hurt.

As for how that compares to fandom, I shudder to think. ;)

Coco Pops
May 11th, 2008, 10:45 PM
This episode easily beats "The Idiot's Lantern" for worse ever Dr. Who episode since it's return.

The girlfriend turning into a paving stone. That was a moment that sent shudders down my spine. What wicked things would her geeky boyfriend do with her. and what happens if they break up?

nx01a
June 5th, 2008, 03:18 PM
Horrible episode. I liked it only slightly less than 'Fear Her'.

The whole 'limited sex life' crack was a bit much. He'd have to be a very small man to keep her like that, and the best she can do is lip service to the term.

Coco Pops
June 5th, 2008, 07:27 PM
Horrible episode. I liked it only slightly less than 'Fear Her'.

The whole 'limited sex life' crack was a bit much. He'd have to be a very small man to keep her like that, and the best she can do is lip service to the term.


But what happens if they break up?

nx01a
June 6th, 2008, 11:12 AM
He breaks her.;)

Coco Pops
June 6th, 2008, 10:18 PM
He breaks her.;)



Poor thing.......... What that would be kind of gory if he did that.

Come to think of that how does she stay alive. She can't eat, where would the food go?

Where is the poo? LOL

ShadowMaat
June 6th, 2008, 11:01 PM
I'm in the minority in that I liked the ep, but the ending was creepy and horrifying and utterly unlike anything the Doctor would do. Letting someone live the rest of her life (which could well be an indefinite period of time) as a paving stone?! No way.

So my brain has just rewritten the ending as Elton going a bit cracked at the loss of his girlfriend and pretending that she's a paving stone. Maybe even taking the paving stone with him in the mistaken belief that it's still his girlfriend. He just hallucinated her face and fudged the graphics on the transmission. Or we saw the transmission through Elton-filtered glasses.

Makes the ep much easier to live with when I look at it like that. ;)

Coco Pops
June 6th, 2008, 11:10 PM
I'm in the minority in that I liked the ep, but the ending was creepy and horrifying and utterly unlike anything the Doctor would do. Letting someone live the rest of her life (which could well be an indefinite period of time) as a paving stone?! No way.

So my brain has just rewritten the ending as Elton going a bit cracked at the loss of his girlfriend and pretending that she's a paving stone. Maybe even taking the paving stone with him in the mistaken belief that it's still his girlfriend. He just hallucinated her face and fudged the graphics on the transmission. Or we saw the transmission through Elton-filtered glasses.

Makes the ep much easier to live with when I look at it like that. ;)



That's how I see this story too..... It was very un-doctor like what the Doctor did leaving that girl in that state... I think she was supposed to die but he let her live in this state. So very un-Doctor IMHO......

Whatever happened to "everything has it's time" and all?

As it stands the ending is not just creepy it's kinky

ShadowMaat
June 6th, 2008, 11:13 PM
*hands coco Shadow-tinted glasses* See? The view is so much better when you just dismiss Elton as some loony pretending a paving stone is his dead girlfriend. :D

Coco Pops
June 6th, 2008, 11:17 PM
*hands coco Shadow-tinted glasses* See? The view is so much better when you just dismiss Elton as some loony pretending a paving stone is his dead girlfriend. :D


Ta thanks..... Now I can watch L & M and not feel terrible about the ending :D even though it's quite craptacular.

Coco Pops
June 6th, 2008, 11:18 PM
Jackie is the one element from the Rose story that I just don't like. I really wish that she would have died in the Christmas Invasion or something. She was annoying in every episode she was in(except after she was Cybermanized, I liked her then :P) and she continued to be annoying here.


Compared to Martha's family I'd have Jackie any day. I kept hoping they'd get done in during the series.....So annoying.

ShadowMaat
June 6th, 2008, 11:27 PM
I'm hoping that Steven won't have the same obsession with obnoxious mothers/families that RTD did and that the next Companion will have a normal family that doesn't grate on the nerves.

Coco Pops
June 6th, 2008, 11:31 PM
I'm hoping that Steven won't have the same obsession with obnoxious mothers/families that RTD did and that the next Companion will have a normal family that doesn't grate on the nerves.



Well Donna would have made a good companion..... We haven't seen the latest series yet but I've read heaps of spoilers. I really liked Donna

ShadowMaat
June 6th, 2008, 11:43 PM
Oh yes, I'm loving Donna, but her mum has a lot in common with Rose's and Martha's mums. :rolleyes:

nx01a
June 7th, 2008, 09:01 AM
Jackie was great, especially because we saw so much more of her than the others. We got inside her head, we saw her as she watched her husband die!
As for the other mothers...
We had a 4 or so episodes of Martha's mother and family, kinda bland, though the dad and his uppity white wife were such a goldmine! Pity it wasn't followed up on.
Donna's mom seems like the same kind of b*tchy yet proactive mother that New Who has been presenting. I mean, that axe!

nx01a
June 7th, 2008, 09:04 AM
As it stands the ending is not just creepy it's kinkyIt's quite sad that the only thing that stands out about this episode for me is a throwaway line that takes pounding the pavement to a whole new and disturbing level.

P-90_177
June 7th, 2008, 09:05 AM
The one think I never get is why do fans complain about the movie not being Canon when there is this ep....................:cool:

pbellosom
June 7th, 2008, 01:14 PM
The one think I never get is why do fans complain about the movie not being Canon when there is this ep....................:cool:

Because this episode, though awful, did not state something that completely changed the show. There was no Doctor is half-human revelations here.

Now what I really don't get is why Shalka is not canon.


*hands coco Shadow-tinted glasses* See? The view is so much better when you just dismiss Elton as some loony pretending a paving stone is his dead girlfriend. :D

Wow, that actually does make the ending a lot better.

Willow'sCat
June 15th, 2008, 06:38 PM
The one think I never get is why do fans complain about the movie not being Canon when there is this ep....................:cool:I loved this episode and I don't love the Movie. :p What other reason do you need? :D But as pbellosom said the Movie changed canon it didn't just add to it. L&M, while in some folks opinions, is a bad episode it didn't change canon at all, it may have added to it but that is not unlike 100% of episodes.

L&M didn't tell us The Doctor was something we knew he wasn't.

Basically I loved this ep 'cause it makes fun in a kind way of fans *cough* fans like um... yeah. :rolleyes::P:D

nx01a
June 16th, 2008, 05:41 PM
Meeting with people regularly, discussing your shared obsession of choice in a forum...

Pharaoh Atem
November 10th, 2008, 03:35 AM
bloody awful episode

that all i can say

Pitry
November 10th, 2008, 04:22 AM
Love & Monsters rock on every level posible. ;)

gateship15
November 12th, 2008, 11:31 PM
this is an ok episode but its not one of my faves i found it a bit boring the only thing good about it was when roses mum got upset and rose came back to yell at him about it when there is and alian trying to kill him and she say no one upsets my mum lol

nx01a
November 13th, 2008, 10:20 PM
Love & Monsters rock on every level posible. ;) 'Rock'. Like the girl's face. I see what you did there.
Poor Elton's between a rock and a hard place. Or, at least, his love life is.

gateship15
November 13th, 2008, 11:42 PM
lol i like that and i do feel for him having a girlfriend that pavement but o well at lest she didn't die. oo and do u ever wander what would happen if they broke up.

nx01a
November 15th, 2008, 11:24 PM
As someone said before [was it me?], he'd break her.

gateship15
November 16th, 2008, 11:37 PM
lol true

Pitry
November 17th, 2008, 05:25 AM
I must have ranted about this in a dozen other threads and places, but really, that one little joke in the end is just that - one little joke. Love & Monsters is such a beautiful human story about life and the choices people make about how to live it, and an extemely clever undercurrent about the Doctor and the negative side of his brilliance and how he affects people around him and how he doesn't always notice the people who suffer because of him when he's busy saving the worldm tha I'm not going to be botehred by the implication of oral sex between a guy and his girlfriend-turned-pavement.

nx01a
November 18th, 2008, 10:23 PM
It gives 'pounding the pavement' a whole new meaning.

I realize you like the episode and, God help me, that's your right. :D For me, the touching and a bit obvious analogy between the support group of Doctor 'survivors' and Doctor Who's fans themselves was nice. Apart from that, the cement tongue was the biggest thing to stand out. And I don't mean that to sound tongue in ceme... cheek.

gateship15
November 19th, 2008, 02:12 AM
that just showes he does do good he saves people and he has feelings

Dumper
November 19th, 2008, 02:32 PM
It gives 'pounding the pavement' a whole new meaning.

:lol:

gateship15
November 20th, 2008, 10:50 PM
i agree that he does have an effect on everyone he has been in contact with and this episode does show that there are negative effects of him saving the world

Gen. Chris
November 17th, 2011, 04:42 PM
Lol at the "have a bit of a love life" comment...

maneth
June 25th, 2012, 08:31 PM
:lol: Me too. But the ep was full of innuendo, if you choose to see things that way. Good for a laugh, although I expect this is one of the eps I'd enjoy more if I were slightly drunk.

maneth
August 9th, 2014, 08:57 AM
Still agree with myself... :p