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GateWorld
April 12th, 2006, 01:47 PM
<DIV ALIGN=CENTER><TABLE WIDTH=450 BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=7><TR><TD STYLE="border:0;"><DIV ALIGN=LEFT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2 COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s2/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/201.jpg" WIDTH=160 HEIGHT=120 ALIGN=RIGHT HSPACE=10 VSPACE=2 BORDER=0 STYLE="border:1px solid #000;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#888888">DOCTOR WHO SERIES 28</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 2801</FONT>
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Five billion years in the future, the Doctor and Rose visit a hospital facility on humanity's new home world. While the Doctor visits the dying Face of Boe, Rose's body is possessed by none other than Cassandra, whose brain survived their last encounter.

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Madeleine
April 15th, 2006, 12:12 PM
I like David Tennant soooo much as the Doctor. But I haven't time to post about him, this is just a bump post to get the thread noticed :o

Hywel
April 15th, 2006, 12:23 PM
I loved that! The last five minutes reminded me a bit of 'The Doctor Dances', with it's quick-fix ending, but that didn't detract from it at all! It was great seeing the Face of Boe again, although his exit was slightly cheesy (but isn't that why we love Doctor Who?).

Billie Piper completely blew me away in that episode. Not just because of how stunning she looked, but her portrayal of Cassandra. Man, can she act! David Tennant was brilliant too - loved the 'Watch out for the disinfectant!' scene.

I'm glad they included Mickey and Jackie at the beginning - that was perfect continuity from The Christmas Invasion.

I wonder how many people sat up and said "They took that from Futurama!" when the Doctor said "New New York". :D

Wow, this was my first post on GW for a while!

The Signal
April 15th, 2006, 12:26 PM
Whoops, sent Darren a PM with details for this before it was bumped, oh well, we need the folder anyhow. I will quote in my comments in a moment.



So anyways, David's Doctor is pretty great still, he has all of the energy of the older Doctors, and he has a quick temper, no nonsence, no discussion, very different to the Ninth Doctor. Him as Cassandra, brilliant! But as for the Doctor, very appealing, its took all of ten seconds to settle into him this time around, even though I felt "Yeah this is good" in The Christmas Invasion, there was the doubt in my head that it wouldnt continue. His speaches are brilliant, when he goes into angry mode he is bursting with power.

I think Billie did a bit of a duff job as Rose, but as Cassandra she was great, lets hope she picks it up, IMO it felt like she was showing off to the Doctor a little perhaps thats what she meant in which case well done to her.

My Rating - 8/10 - it looses marks for Billie's work as Rose and the 10 seconds of "Oh dear" I felt when they first ended up on New Earth.

Favourite Scene: So many to choose from, either the disinfectant scene, or the Doctor confronting the Sisters Of Plentitude and Cassandra, drama and character over comedy, so its the Doctor confronting them wins out

Favourite Quote:

Doctor: Now that is enigmatic, that is textbook enigmatic that.

Egeria
April 15th, 2006, 12:27 PM
*waves to hywel*

Brilliant ep! Billie stole the show for me, she was awesome.

Sat here in a happy place now.

Reefgirl
April 15th, 2006, 12:35 PM
Oh Wow, Billie Piper was excellent in this and so was David Tennant, I think DT's Doctor is going to have a bit more of a sense of humour.

Was it me or did the "We Can Hear the Machines" line sound chillingly like the Shadow enhanced Telepath from Babylon 5

Nice to see Zoe Wanamaker get her face on screen this time too

I can't wait until next week, bring it on

in circles
April 15th, 2006, 12:43 PM
David Tennant was great as was Billie but the plot was a bit iffy. They really need to turn the music down too, I could barely here some of the dialogue.

The Signal
April 15th, 2006, 12:46 PM
Did anyone catch the Torchwood Referance? I didnt but... maybe it was in there.

Missster.Freeman
April 15th, 2006, 12:58 PM
It was pretty good, not as good as "The Christmas Invasion". I wish they'd slow down the pace a few 100mph though. :P The resolution kinda felt like hitting a reset button to me.

I'm actually looking forward more to next week's episode. Broken spoiler tag? I didn't see any spoilers. ;) :P

asgardlover
April 15th, 2006, 01:05 PM
i loved the ep i thought DT makes a great doctor!!!i thought the plot was witty and well writen i'm looking forward to the next ep. wooooooooooow the doctors back baby!!!!

The Signal
April 15th, 2006, 01:42 PM
Apparently there will be a sequel to this episode in S3, once again on New Earth with its characters, so Im guessing the Sisters will return. My guess is it will deal with the fallout of the hospital coming under new control and some sort of civil war involving the New Humans and New New Yorkers. Perhaps we will see the face of Bo for the "third and final time" though I would like to wait a while before we find his secret (Which, rumer has it, is four words long), possibly until the 11th Doctor (so 2 or three years) *Cue Face Of Bo's Secret Speculation Threads*

Atlantean Epona
April 15th, 2006, 02:30 PM
I had high hopes and...wow! I loved the episode!
David Tennant is a very talented actor and brings a lot of energy to the role, which he's managed to make his own already. Add his darn fine good looks and that great 'geek chic' outfit...yup, I'm in heaven.
The special effects and make-up, etc seemed better than last series - in fact, everything had a better, more polished look.
I thought the cat nurses worked well and the lift decontamination scene was hilarious.
I was pleasantly surprised by Billie Piper revealing that she really is a talented actress - her portrayl of Cassandra in Rose's body was brilliant.
DT's Cassandra possession was great fun and I liked his dark, angry confrontation with the Sisters.

I could be here all night listing the bits I liked...since, well, I liked pretty much every minute of it! So I'll leave it there, just adding that I can't wait to see the next episode! I watched the behind the scenes thing of BBC3 and the clips of future episodes have fuelled my excitement! :D
Argh! 7 days to wait for more!

Reefgirl
April 15th, 2006, 02:31 PM
Perhaps we will see the face of Bo for the "third and final time" though I would like to wait a while before we find his secret (Which, rumer has it, is four words long), possibly until the 11th Doctor (so 2 or three years) *Cue Face Of Bo's Secret Speculation Threads*

IMHO I think that the Face of Boe and his secret will be this year's "Bad Wolf"

Allestian
April 15th, 2006, 02:42 PM
I must say that was a good opener to the new season...who am I kidding, I thought it was completely fantastic.

Both David and Billie did some terrific acting in that episode and how can I not post here without mentioning in some slight way about the disinfectants.

:D

I'm now really looking forwards to next Saturday. Oh and also tomorrow.

:P

The Signal
April 15th, 2006, 02:45 PM
IMHO I think that the Face of Boe and his secret will be this year's "Bad Wolf"
Nope, its not, the arc word this year is Torchwood

Egeria
April 15th, 2006, 02:46 PM
IMHO I think that the Face of Boe and his secret will be this year's "Bad Wolf"

That was my initial thought as well. I hope not because it's just a bit obvious, like Ptah said I'd love to see it in a later series. :)

aAnubiSs
April 15th, 2006, 02:51 PM
Billie Piper is so damn hot!

Nel
April 15th, 2006, 03:23 PM
I loved the episode. Okay the solution was a little bit too easy, but when you've only got 45 minutes, what else can you do.

I thought both Billie Piper and David Tennant were hilarious when they had Cassandra in them.

I really like David Tennant as the Doctor. I like his quirky playfulness and the authority he brings to the Doctor when he's angry.

Roll on next week.

Matt G
April 15th, 2006, 04:13 PM
OK...

1. I thought the cat people were going to be more evil than they were...still their scheme was pretty dodgy though.

2. How hopeless was Cassandra at impersonating Rose? It was going to be a case of 'the Doctor had 'better' not fall for this' and I doubt he was suckered for a milisecond.

3. Hope my sister's kids weren't too freaked out by the plague zombies.

Overall, decent start but doesn't really touch some of last season's best stuff.

Easter Lily
April 15th, 2006, 11:57 PM
Overall I didn't mind the episode... even if it was somewhat derivative. (But what manner of scifi isn't these days?) Somehow it manages to pay homeage to The Matrix, Coma and All of Me at the same time. To my mind it isn't half as humorous as The Christmas Invasion and seems to lack an underlying coherence. Still, I can put up with the ham and the cheese :P as it is afterall Dr Who but I don't like the obvious lingering looks between the Doctor and Rose. That I find bleahworthy.
I'm convinced Tennant could be a great Dr Who by the way he channels Troughton and Baker... and even shows glimpses of Davison and Pertwee. The way he moves from one scene to the next leaves me exhausted. The man is a veritable Time Lord jumping bean.

Hasn't sfx come a long way in Dr Who?... Gone are the days of the cheesy sets and monsters. The Cat Sisters were very well done... as were the diseased clones. Personally, I felt that they could have been utilized a lot more but someone has said that there's a sequel to this episode so I leave my comments till then.

Good performances by Billie Piper and David Tenannt, by the way... ;)

TheWarrior
April 16th, 2006, 01:27 AM
I really enjoyed this season opener and if this opener is a sign of the new season that it is most deffo going to rock.

I thought Billie Pipers acting was top notch, you can see why she has won awards for her acting in Doctor Who. Loved how she protrayed the role of Cassandra, and some of the quotes were excellent. The quote "I'm a chav" has been mentioned, but I can't see the quote "I'm in a boucy castle" mentioned. Love that line, especailly as Billie was jumping up and down and looking and feeling her breasts!

David Tenannt - great actor and he is going to be a Great Doctor.

Overall an excellent start to the season - next week's episode looks very good as well, so heres to a brand new doctor and series, full of action and adventure :D

discodiva
April 16th, 2006, 01:32 AM
Really, really enjoyed it.....both David and Billie were excellent....loved the disintectant scene and I'm still giggling at the "walking doodle" remark....thought the make up work on the Cat Sisters was absolutely superb too....:)

Can't wait for next week....

Deeds xx

Willow'sCat
April 16th, 2006, 02:04 AM
Loved this, really loved Billie in this; after The Parting of the ways I had my doubts she could do anything other then be Rose, I wasn't convinced with her Tardis heart bit, but she did Cassandra well and as for funny... hell yeah, the stuff about her body was fun and funny. The disinfected thing was funny, OK so we all saw it coming but it was still funny.

I forgive the idea behind the episode not being original I forgive the mind swapping kissing thing... must but the thing of the hour in scifi, and the kiss was pretty hot even if I don't want them shipped....;)

David Tennant *sigh* he is so good and he is funny, I love my Doctors with humour at their centre and although Chris had some I see David's having a whole bucket load. He will take things seriously when they need to be but otherwise it is take the **** out of most races and places. He even wore the glasses. :D Yes I am shallow. :p

The episode looked good even the "outdoor" scenes which are usually the least convincing in CGI if you ask me, were good and I loved the ships across the water. The make up on the Sisters was really good wonder if any of it was CGI? There was one moment when I thought I hope not too many little kids are watching because even I had to turn away... guess? :o So Dr Who still might have the power to send the kids behind the sofa...er couch.

Great start for series 28. ;)

The Signal
April 16th, 2006, 05:32 AM
^nope the sisters were done with makeup and masks, no CGI from what I hear, just 3 hours in a makeup room :S

Darkstar
April 16th, 2006, 05:50 AM
great start to the new series, if i had to point out one defining moment to the whole episode then it would have had to have been billie's acting when she was taken over, i used to think she was a rather boring actor but she did great as cassandra, loved the idea behind the episode and some of the technobable had me thinking. :D

Billz
April 16th, 2006, 06:52 AM
great start to the new series...

If you think about it though, its really the 3rd episode in the 28th season, the first episode being the 'mini-episode' shown during Children In Need in 2005 and the second episode being 'The Christmas Invasion' shown during christmas. Thats just what I think. New Earth was a brilliant episode!!!

pbellosom
April 16th, 2006, 12:50 PM
Was I the only one who found this episode rather disapoining, still good, but nowhere near as good as anything from the 9th Doctor or the Christmas Invasion.

Reefgirl
April 16th, 2006, 12:55 PM
Was I the only one who found this episode rather disapoining, still good, but nowhere near as good as anything from the 9th Doctor or the Christmas Invasion.
Oh come on it is only the first episode and the third time DT's been out as the Doctor

The Signal
April 16th, 2006, 01:14 PM
1st ep is a warm up, compare it to Rose, thats all I'll say.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
April 16th, 2006, 01:41 PM
A so-so episode, in my opinion. I starting to like this Doctor better that the last on, because of the humor level.

I give it a ** 1/2.

nalex1013
April 16th, 2006, 01:46 PM
Wow loved it. Ok the story wasn't great but DT and BP were fantastic. Splitting my sides at the bouncy castle thing and loved all those sweet moments and lingering looks as Rose tries to get used to new doctor.
Great way of giving us a hot kiss without actually confusing things between them (further!)
Loved it

Easter Lily
April 16th, 2006, 02:54 PM
Was I the only one who found this episode rather disapoining, still good, but nowhere near as good as anything from the 9th Doctor or the Christmas Invasion.
I agree that it wasn't as good as the Christmas Invasion but I think the Doctor is entitled to have an off day now and again. ;)
Still loads of fun though...

Missster.Freeman
April 16th, 2006, 04:04 PM
I can't wait for next week when we will hear him speak in his natural (Scots) accent. I'm sure there'll be a good explanation for it. :D

Othere
April 17th, 2006, 06:06 AM
Not sure what to think really. My main concern is that it was either going to be brilliant and completely blow away the first new series, or it was going to suck.
I think I may reserve judgement until the second or third episode.

There were some pretty cool things in this episode, but still unsure what to think. Do really DT as the doctor though

Davidtourniquet
April 17th, 2006, 10:57 AM
My favourite bit of new Earth has to be when the sisters are explaining "the flesh" and the Doctor goes (in a roundabout way), "I understand about the disease and flesh, but....... what have you done to rose?" (and rose/cassandras face when he said that). That was great. Cant forget the disinfectant bit either :D.

yaaayoubetcha
April 17th, 2006, 01:20 PM
cats always get a bad shake! :(

the plot was good...execution was a bit questionable, but Billie was great. Really showed she can be an actor.

i thought she did an excellent job as Cassandra.

DT looked hilariously fem when Cassandra was in him.


Love to see more Bo!
I get a real 'Ancients' vibe like in B5.


A good first ep of the season and full exposure for DT. Looking forward to next week.

Happy_Gate
April 18th, 2006, 11:56 AM
I liked most of this episode. Especially all the Cassandra body-jumping bits. Those were funny. :P

What let me down though, was the ending. When the doctor put all the coloured antidote liquid together, I was shaking my head coz I knew where they were going with it and I didn't like it. Cured them just like that and have them pass it on by touch? How can that ever work? At the very least it should be injected. It would have made a bit more sense if those nanobots from previous series were there.

I know doctor who episodes always had audiences suspend belief but that whole plot ending just seemed lazy. Anyway just my two cents. However, liking David as new Doctor more and more.

The Signal
April 18th, 2006, 12:03 PM
^well seing as the drugs were intraveinus, yeah injection would have made more sence :P Ahhh bloopers :D

Madeleine
April 18th, 2006, 12:04 PM
I liked it all, except for the ending. The cats were fabulous, really impressive on their own terms, and not just compared to the cheesy stuff I used to see in the TB/PD era. Rose and the Doctor were great as themselves, and surprisingly good as Cassandra - now there's a character with the potential to annoy me to bits, but she didn't, so kudos to ZW, BP and DT.

The rice-krispie-faced patients were very sad (in a good way) and gave my small son a nightmare (in a wake-his-mama-at-4:30am way) but he was playing Doctor Who with his little brother the next day, and seems undamaged :)

The ending was essentially an inferior copy of The Doctor Dances ending. Inferior because TDD was not at all contrived, whereas this felt very contrived. And since when have cures been contagious? Still, the standard of the ep in general was no worse than any of s1. I loved all of s1 :D

Stricken
April 18th, 2006, 02:09 PM
If anyone is interested....although the chances are that no one will revist this thread after posting but what the hey...

On the BBC website there is a commentary which you can download, with David Tennant, Russell T Davies, and Phil Collinson. You may need to watch the episode at the same time for some of it to make sense...lol

Better to right click and save...

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/newearth-commentary.mp3

The Signal
April 18th, 2006, 03:42 PM
I listened to it yesterday, very funny, loved the end when they were talking about the origional concept for "tooth and claw"
Okay, this one is Queen Victoria, a Werewolf, and Kung Fu Monks

Egeria
April 18th, 2006, 03:44 PM
^ Stop it Ptah....Saturday seems like so long away!

The Signal
April 18th, 2006, 03:58 PM
I know :( and they havent put the trailer up on the site so I cant watch it over and over and over again :D

IMForeman
April 18th, 2006, 07:40 PM
I felt it was a solid and entertaining episode. Bit of a pat ending, but with such great performances, and such zeal and joy put into it that i couldn't help but be entertained. Tennant's first real episode, as he was missing from all but the end of The Christmas Invasion. He's easily become on of my favorites just on the basis of his perfomances here. And who knew Billie had such a killer Cassandra performance in her?!

BTW, does this voice sound like a certain 51st Century Captain to you? (http://www.enigmanaut.com/maybejack.mp3)

The Signal
April 19th, 2006, 03:41 AM
Indeed it does, nice fnd.

silverdamascus
April 20th, 2006, 05:56 AM
That was just wow! I am very impressed with David Tennant as the Doctor, he wasn't bad in the christmas invasion but he really established himself here. Looking very much forward to his next episode, except now of course I'm back at Uni and don't have a tv, arg!

Metarock Sam
April 20th, 2006, 08:16 AM
A great start to the new season. There was a little too much going on at once with them trying two storylines together which kind of worked but could have been much. The Cassandra possesion scenes were quite funny and the whole disease story was quite good. It reminded me of Terminus too :). One thing though at the end when Chip/Cassandra was talking to Cassandra, wouldnt that create a paradox or change the timeline somehow ???
The Next ep looks brilliant I cant wait :D !!!!

Wraith Scientist
April 22nd, 2006, 04:50 AM
TARDISODES (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/tardisodes/)

^ Seen these?

There's one for 'New Earth' and one for 'Tooth and Claw'

The Signal
April 22nd, 2006, 05:05 AM
Yup we watch em, only thing that gets me through the week without a new episode :D

Willow'sCat
April 22nd, 2006, 08:00 AM
Still say it was a great start to the new series but I guess you will never please everyone. Just my two cents as an old time viewer :P but never assume just because it is 2006 that Dr Who's story lines need to make sense, and god forbid they have an ending that actually is scientific in nature. This is Dr Who people, stop trying to make it into something it isn't. :S :rolleyes:

ShadowMaat
April 22nd, 2006, 08:42 AM
I thought it was a pretty good ep. The new Doctor seems a lot... angrier, somehow. Or maybe it's just that Eccleston hid the anger behind a silly grin, but Tennant lets it shine through. It's definitely a different flavor of Doctor, although still the same, loveable character. Sort of. ;)

Loved the cat nurses. Great makeup job. I wonder if we'll be seeing them again...

Torchwood reference. I think I did pick up on one, but I can't remember, now. Might have to go check the ep again.

Incidentally, does anyone really believe that Cassandra had a sudden change of heart (or pulmonary organ) at the end and really DID die? I expect(ed) her to jump back to her original body. With everything she knows, she could probably wreak all kinds of damage... and maybe keep herself from becoming a sheet of skin.

I like the Face of Boe, and having just seen Long Game again (with the news piece about the Face being pregnant) I'm curious to see where this is all leading. I have some stupid ideas about it, but reality will probably be something far more interesting and bizarre.

As for the preview for this week's ep... Is this another "bad wolf" reference? ;)

Atlantean Epona
April 23rd, 2006, 11:18 AM
One thing though at the end when Chip/Cassandra was talking to Cassandra, wouldnt that create a paradox or change the timeline somehow ???
I think it might have already been part of the timeline, as Cassandra referred to that night being the last time someone told her she was beautiful and that's exactly what Chip/Cassandra did.

However, I was expecting Cassandra to jump from Chip into her own body, but that doesn't fit with the above. If they want to use the Cassandra character again, they can just have the Doctor & Rose meet her at a different point in her life.

Wraith Scientist
April 25th, 2006, 12:59 PM
After much searching, look what I found ... (http://who-transcripts.atspace.com/2006%20Transcripts/01_newearth.htm)

I think there's more here (http://who-transcripts.atspace.com/)
Series 28 (http://who-transcripts.atspace.com/ten_index.htm)
Series 27 (http://who-transcripts.atspace.com/nine_index.htm)

Reefgirl
April 25th, 2006, 02:31 PM
After much searching, look what I found ... (http://who-transcripts.atspace.com/2006%20Transcripts/01_newearth.htm)

I think there's more here (http://who-transcripts.atspace.com/)
Series 28 (http://who-transcripts.atspace.com/ten_index.htm)
Series 27 (http://who-transcripts.atspace.com/nine_index.htm)

I knew it, I knew it, I knew there was homage to Babylon 5 in New Earth

MAN
We understood what you did to us. As part of the machine, we know the machine.

SISTER JATT (looking over the railings, horrified)
They're free. By the Goddess Centauri - the flesh is free!

IMForeman
April 25th, 2006, 02:52 PM
I knew it, I knew it, I knew there was homage to Babylon 5 in New Earth

Couldn't that be a reference to Alpha Centauri?

ShadowMaat
April 25th, 2006, 04:05 PM
Is there a reason to assume it IS a B5 reference? :confused: Is that some kind of in reference I'm not aware of?

Easter Lily
April 25th, 2006, 04:19 PM
I knew it, I knew it, I knew there was homage to Babylon 5 in New Earth
How? I certainly didn't pick up any B5 references in that quote.
The Matrix perhaps... ;)

Reefgirl
April 26th, 2006, 02:20 AM
Centauri - Londo Mollari's people
"As part of the machine, we know the machine" Words like it were spoken by Alfred Bester's girlfriend Carolyn when she was rewired by the Shadows

IMForeman
April 26th, 2006, 03:05 PM
Centauri - Londo Mollari's people
"As part of the machine, we know the machine" Words like it were spoken by Alfred Bester's girlfriend Carolyn when she was rewired by the Shadows

But, Centauri is also the name of some very local stars. Alpha Centauri, Proxima Centauri, etc. Doctor Who also has an unfortunately shaped race from Alpha Centauri. A reference to Centauri is not necessarily a Babylon 5 reference, as a lot of Sci-Fi has Centauri worked in somewhere. It's no more a reference to B5 than it is a reference to the people of Earth in Stargate (Cen-Tau'ri). It might even be a reference to the afformentioned aliens from Alpha Centauri whom I hope never show up again... this is a family show, after all.

Reefgirl
April 27th, 2006, 12:35 AM
But, Centauri is also the name of some very local stars. Alpha Centauri, Proxima Centauri, etc. Doctor Who also has an unfortunately shaped race from Alpha Centauri. A reference to Centauri is not necessarily a Babylon 5 reference, as a lot of Sci-Fi has Centauri worked in somewhere. It's no more a reference to B5 than it is a reference to the people of Earth in Stargate (Cen-Tau'ri). It might even be a reference to the afformentioned aliens from Alpha Centauri whom I hope never show up again... this is a family show, after all.
Oh God I wish I'd never said anything now. It. Was. Supposed. To. Be. Funny. Don't think I'll bother anymore

The Signal
April 30th, 2006, 01:35 PM
I get the reference :) Ignore them, be funny as much as you want :P

travis
May 9th, 2006, 07:52 AM
Wow that was a cool ep. Absolutley loved the body snatch scenes betwen David Bille and Casandra. Sweet ending kind of poetic justice feel to it.
Now I have to go and search for the Christmas Invasion ep havn't seen it yet

Mattathias2.0
June 8th, 2006, 06:02 PM
I liked this ep as well. I feel this episode and ones following have started becoming more "classic" type episodes.

I esp. like how Cassandra finally accepted death.

Mattathias

Otera
September 29th, 2006, 07:40 PM
It was just shown in the states, and wow. that was amazing. Just what I wanted to see. the dreams I may have tonight will be worth it, if only they'd shown more than 2 eps....

MasySyma
September 29th, 2006, 08:48 PM
This was an amazing episode. I liked the Christmas Invasion, but this one was better. The new doctor is fantastic, and I loved so many of his moments tonight.

I enjoyed many things:

1. When Cassandra takes him over, his mannerisms were hilarious. The remark about unused parts made me chuckle.

2. Despite knowing that Rose is possessed, he still has to comment that "he's still got it."

3. I loved the happy ending of the episode for the new humans. It was reminisicent of the Doctor Dances without being obvious, and I enjoyed the return of the Face of Bo and Cassandra.

I don't have any dislikes from the episode right now. I enjoyed the show and ended up grinning stupidly at my television. I can't ask for more with the shows excellent blend of comedy and drama.

Nolamom
September 29th, 2006, 09:10 PM
So glad the Doctor is back on SciFriday. Lots of fun and a few morality lessons to be had along the way.

northstar_08030
September 29th, 2006, 10:31 PM
1. When Cassandra takes him over, his mannerisms were hilarious. The remark about unused parts made me chuckle.


That's funny, almost as funny as M.E. in Thursday CSI episode where he sings the cause of deapth of the former Rock Star.

Nolamom
September 29th, 2006, 11:52 PM
Grrr - started a post and it went away.

All in all really enjoyed this episode. However, how did the "flesh" people learn to talk and walk if they'd been confined to cells all their lives?

Cassandra - seems like when the Doctor and Rose went back in time, that she was originally not a completely awful person. Self-absorbed, but not to the exclusion of all others

Cat nurses. I wonder how good paws would be in manipulating instruments and so for for treatment.

Disinfecting elevators. Interesting. Messy, but at least quick. Remind me not to wear dry clean only to a hospital in the future.

creed462
September 30th, 2006, 08:30 AM
Very good very funny

SGalisa
September 30th, 2006, 11:22 AM
I thought it was *special touch* when Cassandra was forced to switch into one of the contaminated souls, and later realized how empty their lives had been for all their years...

very nice touching moment (Cassandra's conversation about that with the Doctor).

Now I gotta watch it again, to see how the ending comes up full circle from something Cassandra said near the beginning - when she thought her life went downhill. I seriously thought she'd switch bodies back into herself. But there's always room for in-between stories with her to show up.

DW: "I'm the Doctor, and I've *cured* them!" :)

keshou
October 1st, 2006, 10:09 AM
Missed "The Christmas Invasion" but saw most of "New Earth".

I liked it....amazing makeup on the cat people and enjoyed the return of Cassandra and the "Face of Bo". Nicely done - I like the little moral threads that run thru Dr. Who.

I miss Christopher Eggleston though. I suppose I'll get used to David Tennant and he certainly is putting his "all" into the role. Billie Piper did a nice job impersonating "Cassandra".

Happy Scifi is continuing to air this show. Now if they only get Torchwood. :)

orii7
October 1st, 2006, 01:34 PM
For some reason I didnt really like New Earth. It didnt seem Doctor Who to me. Just a little bit of Doctor Who and thats all I can sense it when I wathed the episode.

Flyboy
October 1st, 2006, 01:48 PM
Don't worry. New Earth isn't one of my favourites either.

You wait till Tooth & Claw though! ;-)

Beautiful!

orii7
October 1st, 2006, 07:01 PM
I guess I will give Tooth & Claw a try but im really looking foward to "School Reunion", "The Rise of The Cybermen/The Age of Steel", "Army of Ghosts/Doomsday" and hopefully if BBC and Sci-Fi have an agreement, then they will air Torchwood in the U.S.!

Tracker
October 1st, 2006, 07:26 PM
I liked this episode...there were some great moments in it (the "I still got it" line was hysterical), and it was nice to revisit some previous characters, namely Cassandra and the Face of Boh. I thought it was nice that we got to see Cassandra before she went flat, and that she was allowed a character story arc like the Slitheen lady (name escapes me).

Kudos to Billie Piper for her stint as Cassandra, that was well done.

I'm definately looking foward to next Friday.

ShadowMaat
October 1st, 2006, 07:34 PM
Must be weird as an actress to play a character possessed by another character who's pretending to be your character. ;)

orii7
October 1st, 2006, 07:40 PM
yeah I kinda liked the ending.

and The Great Tracker has returned!!!!!!!!!!! HURRAY!!!!!

Thermonuclearboy
October 2nd, 2006, 06:40 AM
Assorted Comments:

- Is it just me, or does an order of sanctimonious, condescending cat-people seem somehow appropriate? Must have evolved from MY cat.

- Hunh. So THAT's Rhyming Slang. English is a weird language.

- Cassandra was ALWAYS a woman? Didn't she say she was born a little boy? I'm confused...

Otera
October 2nd, 2006, 07:44 AM
Assorted Comments:

- Is it just me, or does an order of sanctimonious, condescending cat-people seem somehow appropriate? Must have evolved from MY cat.

- Hunh. So THAT's Rhyming Slang. English is a weird language.

- Cassandra was ALWAYS a woman? Didn't she say she was born a little boy? I'm confused...
"Girl" once meant young person of either sex, it's concievable that "Boy" took that same role eventually


and that she was allowed a character story arc like the Slitheen lady (name escapes me).
Margaret (human name)/ Blon Fel Fotch (proper name) ;) (I've got a transcript handy.)

ShadowMaat
October 2nd, 2006, 11:12 AM
Cassandra did say "When I was a little boy" when she was reminiscing about Earth last season. That always confused me. I figured it was some kind of weird Michael Jackson reference. But whatever. ;)

Otera
October 2nd, 2006, 11:15 AM
I just kind of thought that boy had become a term for a young human, that girl was a term that didn't exist anymore in reference to humans under a certain age

Madeleine
October 2nd, 2006, 10:50 PM
I assumed she'd had a sex change. Or else she was so old she couldn't remember her own childhood quite properly.

Nuallain
October 6th, 2006, 05:03 AM
Davies wrote a one page biography of Cassandra for the book Doctor Who Monster and Villains and, according to that, she grew to adulthood as a man and then had a sex change as part of a plan to seduce the boss of the corporation where he/she was working as a security guard. She marries and kills him, inheriting his fortune but has to go on the run when the police suspect murder. After several (mis)adventures she takes control of a movie studio and has a sex change back, casting him/herself as the star of his/her own movie.

When the movie flops at the box office, she/he has a sex change back to female form and never goes back.

ShadowMaat
October 6th, 2006, 03:42 PM
Oy, why not go ambidextrous hermaphrodite and save some of the trouble? :P

At least that explains the he/she thing. Yeesh. And I thought Michael Jackson was creepy. LOL

full.infinity
October 7th, 2006, 11:52 AM
Oy, why not go ambidextrous hermaphrodite and save some of the trouble? :P

At least that explains the he/she thing. Yeesh. And I thought Michael Jackson was creepy. LOL
Kid asks his father: "Is God a man or a woman?" Father responds: "Both, son, both."
Kid asks his father: "Is God black or white?" Father responds: "Both, son, both."
Kid asks his father: "Is Michael Jackson God?"

Admiral Mappalazarou
October 26th, 2006, 05:33 AM
I liked this ep alot because I have a thing for zombie movies, and the sick people in this reminded me of them. :)
Dawn of the Dead in a futuristic hospital with cats. :):):) yay!

Nice to see the return of two old friends from season one, Face of Boe and Cassandra. It was great opening and I will keep watching this season like last time. :)

Hanmer
December 28th, 2006, 03:54 AM
Something I noticed re-watching the episode...

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c351/stargatespacetravel/whocap.png

Inside the red circled area we can see the word 'Wolf'. This must be where Rose saw the words 'Bad Wolf' in 'The Parting of the Ways' scrawled across the ground.

Heh...

Coco Pops
July 26th, 2008, 04:01 AM
I liked this episode too...

The ending was great. I've called it "Cassandra's redemption ending" when she summons help for Chip. I wonder if that puts a kink in her own timeline and she doesn't become a sheet of skin..... This is Who and anything's possible I guess.

Coco Pops
July 26th, 2008, 04:02 AM
Something I noticed re-watching the episode...

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c351/stargatespacetravel/whocap.png

Inside the red circled area we can see the word 'Wolf'. This must be where Rose saw the words 'Bad Wolf' in 'The Parting of the Ways' scrawled across the ground.

Heh...



Well maybe the production tem screwed that up :)

Coco Pops
July 26th, 2008, 04:03 AM
But, Centauri is also the name of some very local stars. Alpha Centauri, Proxima Centauri, etc. Doctor Who also has an unfortunately shaped race from Alpha Centauri. A reference to Centauri is not necessarily a Babylon 5 reference, as a lot of Sci-Fi has Centauri worked in somewhere. It's no more a reference to B5 than it is a reference to the people of Earth in Stargate (Cen-Tau'ri). It might even be a reference to the afformentioned aliens from Alpha Centauri whom I hope never show up again... this is a family show, after all.



Apha Centauri was a walking eyeball what's bad about that?

maneth
May 30th, 2012, 08:35 PM
Great to see Cassandra again even if I didn't like her first appearance. :lol: Creepy for sure.

maneth
July 28th, 2014, 11:25 AM
I usually don't like zombie stuff much, but I liked this one better than last time. Probably because I'm better able to deal with Tennant this time.