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ray245
March 31st, 2006, 09:17 PM
Should there be a massive ground battle in SG-1 instead of a massive fleet? I mean stargate pior to season 6 was mostly focused on ground, not space. We have already seen a massive fleet actions in reckoning and that rocks. How about seeing a ground battle involving ten of thousands of SGC units, free jaffa vs the ori crusaders? Kinda of the battle of genosis on star wars eps 2...

For the issue of extras, we can simply make use of CGI like what happen in star wars or LOTR.

basically, it's really not that hard to use the CGI money instead of fleet battle and focused on using massive CGI armies. The SGC unit can easily be at the least a company strenght given that we did see a rather large group of ground force deployed on the seige of atlantis.

The ground battle on dakara can be seen, given how weird I felt when a while ago, they are fighting in space and the next scene, we see the free jaffa capturing jaffas loyal to Baal. It seems so sudden and unexplained.

TPTB should at the least give us a short sky view of a massive ground battle. We've seen several epsiode of thousands of jaffa being deployed for a ground attack...like the epsiode on kheb and when the Tok'ra base was revealed. If such a scene can be generated with a lesser budget per epsiode compared to now, it really isn't that hard to give us a sky view ground battle, then using the actors fighting using blue screen.

kesterr
March 31st, 2006, 09:39 PM
I know that would be so cool!


However i think the ori could easily beat the jaffa because:

As was said on another post can't remember where the ori's "guns" are way more accurate that the staff weapons. + the priors will uses their superpower to kill hundreds of jaffa at a time.

But a large scale conflict would still be amazing!

Prior_of_the_Ori
April 1st, 2006, 05:16 AM
They actually did try that in a way back in Stronghold or whatever the episode was where Baal was kidnapping people and SG-1 staged an assault on the world. Not a raid or scouting thing but an assault. That would be cool if it happened a few times. After all this is an invasion of the galaxy and invasions always require ground battles in some way or form.

McSwift
April 1st, 2006, 05:22 AM
The BEST ground battle ever was the ground battle in season 7: HEROS, when Dr.Frasier died.

That was the best, well planned out scene I have ever seen.

Eoin
April 1st, 2006, 05:48 AM
That would be an excellent thing for SG, but the SGC doesnt have that kind of personel :(, now what they could do is have the jaffa battle on the ground (nobody cares if they die :P) and SG1 and Co. on board the ships trying to destroy them from the inside :D

Mr. Jack
April 1st, 2006, 05:12 PM
They should make a secret branch of the Miltary, like the SGC but much more larger, ESM, Extra Solar Marines.

Amanda Eros
April 1st, 2006, 06:20 PM
:bratacanime13: :prioranime01:
I would love to see a ground battle, I think that they are more impressive then the computer generated space battles. :prior: :tealcanime23:
Though if SGC troops go into battle against the Crusaders, I hope they are wearing Kull Warrior gear to neutralize the energy weapon's staff blasts. :prior: :jack_new_anime25:


Though if the Orii were smart, they wouldn't even have to bother with ground battles. Just create a gas weapon that will evaporate after a few moments but will kill everyone on the planet. Though didn't we already do that? :cameronanime08b:

Can anyone think of reasons why they would want to have ground battles? Besides reaffirming their people's loyalty to them?:hallowed:

NakedJehutyV2
April 1st, 2006, 06:48 PM
Should there be a massive ground battle in SG-1 instead of a massive fleet? I mean stargate pior to season 6 was mostly focused on ground, not space. We have already seen a massive fleet actions in reckoning and that rocks. How about seeing a ground battle involving ten of thousands of SGC units, free jaffa vs the ori crusaders? Kinda of the battle of genosis on star wars eps 2...

For the issue of extras, we can simply make use of CGI like what happen in star wars or LOTR.

basically, it's really not that hard to use the CGI money instead of fleet battle and focused on using massive CGI armies. The SGC unit can easily be at the least a company strenght given that we did see a rather large group of ground force deployed on the seige of atlantis.

The ground battle on dakara can be seen, given how weird I felt when a while ago, they are fighting in space and the next scene, we see the free jaffa capturing jaffas loyal to Baal. It seems so sudden and unexplained.

TPTB should at the least give us a short sky view of a massive ground battle. We've seen several epsiode of thousands of jaffa being deployed for a ground attack...like the epsiode on kheb and when the Tok'ra base was revealed. If such a scene can be generated with a lesser budget per epsiode compared to now, it really isn't that hard to give us a sky view ground battle, then using the actors fighting using blue screen.




HELL NO

been done for 6-7 years. now time for cg to shine

the fifth man
April 1st, 2006, 09:36 PM
I'd like to see a nice mix of both, personally. And now that the Ori warriors have been introduced to the show, I think we will see more ground combat this coming season. But come on, the space battles do rock!:)

2ndgenerationalteran
April 1st, 2006, 11:58 PM
assults in the ori ship, it would be done intricately

immhotep
April 2nd, 2006, 05:25 AM
YES

Simple answer, heroes was one of the best episodes for drama,impact and action that weve ever had, i personally loved it. I LOVE, HEART and prostrate over ships and ship battles BUT i would love to see this kind of fight.
I have several actual reasons above pure wishing;
Its the only type of fight were going to win. Our ground forces have never been matched in firepower or skill, by anyone. Our weapons are for war, and this ori conflict is a war. As vala said, its us against them and both sides are not going to give in, and both side are going to have to get down and dirty
ALOT with casulties on both sides in large numbers.
If we are going to ever retain this galaxy against the ori we are going to have to start fighting on a much larger scale, the jaffa and asgard are going to have to be the BIG guns, the people who hold the line on the ship front. Our fleet simply doesnt have the numbers or weapons to do the job however our troop are the best in the galaxy, weve spent 9 years fighting these types of battles, agianst staff weilding relgious warriors, with us being the underdog, and were are the special forces of experienced fighters in a war against this kind of soldier! .
We are the best fighter in the galaxy, with the best weapons ( for killing) and the best hope for good ground combat wins in this war.

So my proposal, next seasons finale:
Celestis comes under attack, a large fleet of asgard ships about 30 oniels come in to orbit, and hundreds of thousands of ori warriors and ships gather on the ground and around the planet to fight them. The asgard plan to use the their own merlin type weapon on the ori, and destroy the sacred heart of origin, but SG1 is in celesis after being captured and "fireported"back to ori galaxy by a prior. On board the ship is a massive tauri force sent to rescue them and destroy a massive prior and ori army that have been trained to destroy earth and retake all 'evil' remains thus ensuring no evil can vanquish the pure. (icluding the otupost, dakara and atlantis), the
The asgard beam them down, 2000 SGC personel armed to the teeth and on their way to Celestis, Sg1 also have thier own army, the anti ori under ground have gained support and have challenged the ori directly.

3 armys, ori, tauri, anti-ori...let the battle of Celestis begin and let the fate of all the unbelievers hang in the balance.

Immhotep

Amanda Eros
April 2nd, 2006, 07:51 AM
So my proposal, next seasons finale:
Celestis comes under attack, a large fleet of asgard ships about 30 oniels come in to orbit, and hundreds of thousands of ori warriors and ships gather on the ground and around the planet to fight them. The asgard plan to use the their own merlin type weapon on the ori, and destroy the sacred heart of origin, but SG1 is in celesis after being captured and "fireported"back to ori galaxy by a prior. On board the ship is a massive tauri force sent to rescue them and destroy a massive prior and ori army that have been trained to destroy earth and retake all 'evil' remains thus ensuring no evil can vanquish the pure. (icluding the otupost, dakara and atlantis), the
The asgard beam them down, 2000 SGC personel armed to the teeth and on their way to Celestis, Sg1 also have thier own army, the anti ori under ground have gained support and have challenged the ori directly.

3 armys, ori, tauri, anti-ori...let the battle of Celestis begin and let the fate of all the unbelievers hang in the balance.

Immhotep

Love the attack on Celestis idea. Cut out the enemy's heart and he shall fall!

the fifth man
April 2nd, 2006, 12:39 PM
Love the attack on Celestis idea. Cut out the enemy's heart and he shall fall!

Indeed! That would be something to see.:)

immhotep
April 2nd, 2006, 01:23 PM
Ive got some really nice images goign through my head here!
Imagine the begining of LOTRs with the three armys of middle earith recreated SG style!
Anti-Ori-Underground are the humans, Tauri are the elves and the ori are the orcs! with the asgard being the great eagles and the dragony things(nasgual) being the ori ships! oh and ov course we have to have the doci being saruman/sauron and....daniel? yeah a new half- Ascended daniel( a doci of the good!) being gandalf...wow my heads spinning with images of this great scene! heck theres even a prior in crusade who looks like a slightly less deformed version of the cheif orc who doesnt move when the boulders about to hit him( u know the one!)
Wow you could sooo do a SG remake of LOTR's!
images!

Major_Griff
April 2nd, 2006, 04:28 PM
I agree that there should be something where Asgard and Jaffa ships fight the Ori ships while Other Jaffa and SGC personel fight a massive ground battle. That definatly couldn't have happened in S9 since all we had were Priors. But now with the Ori footsoldiars, we should get some pretty sweet battles.

the fifth man
April 2nd, 2006, 07:14 PM
I agree that there should be something where Asgard and Jaffa ships fight the Ori ships while Other Jaffa and SGC personel fight a massive ground battle. That definatly couldn't have happened in S9 since all we had were Priors. But now with the Ori footsoldiars, we should get some pretty sweet battles.

That's exactly what I'm betting on for this coming season. A nice mix of ground and space combat.:)

ray245
April 3rd, 2006, 04:49 AM
I mean not a small scale battle of 30-40 troops, but in sheer terms of hundreds and thousands of jaffa with their allies like 30-40 SG troops vs hundreds of thousands of crusaders using CGI. Like Lord of the ring battles...

ray245
April 4th, 2006, 04:07 AM
which cost more? The CGI effects for a large ground battle compared to a large one like dakara?

And TPTB should really show us much more massive ground battle. I mean, since when do you see a TV show that involve so many ground troops! Not to mention that stargate started out as a mainly ground based Sci-fi. After so many years of space battle, stargate should return to its roots...and give us a really large ground battle.

This can make stargate stand out even more in the TV sci-fi shows...:)

Lonewolf
April 4th, 2006, 09:13 AM
i like both so bring on a ground & space how about a underwater fight episode?

immhotep
April 4th, 2006, 09:19 AM
i think ground would be enough for SG1 but on atlantis...theres an option! the Asurians land on lantia and send out battleships, water bourne to atlantis!

Kanten
April 4th, 2006, 09:06 PM
Though if the Orii were smart, they wouldn't even have to bother with ground battles. Just create a gas weapon that will evaporate after a few moments but will kill everyone on the planet. Though didn't we already do that? :cameronanime08b:


It'd be a bit difficult for the crusade to gain support if they wipe out all their potential followers. The Ori's massive armies would be a HUGE show of power that'd be likely to turn more than a few people towards Origin.

NotAscended
April 4th, 2006, 09:27 PM
It would be great to see a ground battle. Maybe we can locate Arthur and his Knights and they will be a massive force to ally with us against the Ori troops.

freyr's mother
April 5th, 2006, 03:23 PM
I loved the ground battles in Heroes Pt II and Stronghold. They definately need another one of those except fighting against the ori. Maybe the Ori will have smaller ships deployed from their toilet class ships equivelant to a goauld alkesh and they can bomb the crap outta the battlefield. CGI enhanced battles with the ori and several earth ground platoons. That would be flippin sweet.

ray245
April 28th, 2006, 03:47 AM
I have found at least one pic that shows a aerial view of a massive ground battle is possible.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4941/2picture11et.jpg

The number of jaffa should at least numbered in thousands, and I do remember that is also another shot of a massive jaffa army.

Tiret
April 28th, 2006, 10:05 AM
Massive ground battle...it's expensive but it could be cool. ;)

j619pinoy
April 28th, 2006, 10:34 PM
The ground battle I want to see would require a Stargate movie...possibly even a TRILOGY...not just a big ass ground battle...but a ground/air/space battle across a couple galaxies at the same time.

In other words....this type of battle..

http://www.warofthering.net/gallery/galleries/albums/theprologuethelastalliance/images/PDVD_056.jpg

freyr's mother
April 30th, 2006, 04:17 AM
The ground battle I want to see would require a Stargate movie...possibly even a TRILOGY...not just a big ass ground battle...but a ground/air/space battle across a couple galaxies at the same time.

For that to happen, they would need to do it in like a 2 hour series finale.

ray245
April 30th, 2006, 07:25 PM
wonder how much TPTB would have to save...they saved quite alot in season 8 for us to have dakara..

The Ori
May 1st, 2006, 09:57 AM
Yeh it would be cool, and I'm guesing that in the next few seasons (hopefully) it will happen.

immhotep
May 1st, 2006, 10:12 AM
it think a battle on that scale would be incredible, if they want SG1 to restart, then they have to accept that our ships cant face the ori and win, it will go back to the good old boots on the ground.
With more off world bases, growing toward public revelations and ever more enourmous resources being pumped in to planetary defence and research i can see that havign large scale ground battle is the next step, in SGC terms " we cant hold the sky but we can definitly hold the ground"

with ori warriors being almost like viking style jaffa, jaffa who we have fought for along time before and have developed much experiecne and tactics agianst them that we can re-use i think Ground battle should become just a frequent as the ship battles were, just because logical regression dictate that if our ships are no use then we must try and hodl the land.

BC - 303
May 1st, 2006, 10:38 AM
But can we hold the ground???

immhotep
May 1st, 2006, 01:14 PM
Hell yes.

we just dont put enough troops on the ground, did you watch epiphiny? that was an incredible show of waht we can do, we took out a pretty well trained and well armed mid sized jaffa force with less than 20 men.there were only three really experience fighters involved ( jack, tealc and braytak). increase those type of odds then our soldiers are a match for about 5 Jaffa. On a scale on 1 to 10 id put our troop at 8 or 9, if the sodan were armed with our weapons, or better we ge their claoks (which we seem to have got a little bit) then id crank that up to 10.

Our forces in terms of skill, trainin, tactics and weaponry cannot be matched, and the only reason were outnumbered is because we dont commit the numbers; if we have an army of 5000 vs 5000 jaffa/ori jaffa, then we would win, they would be no contest, instead we send in i think the maximum was in stronghold 9 about 40 men) to face entire planets of jaffa, and we still do pretty good. that to me shows how we could win ourselves a spot in the galaxy, ground battles and putting the boots on the ground is the the way to go for the SGC.
Immhotep

IcyNeko
May 2nd, 2006, 01:39 PM
Yeah, but you're talking about success rates of the commanders of each SG team. Those guys (the Captains, Majors, Lt. Colonels and Colonels) are all special forces trained. they have the tactical experience and training to attack against an overwhelming oppressor and win.

Not every member of the SG Squads have these.... and most of the time, the SG squads lose battles. Not everyone dies, but we haven't won a ton of ground engagements. In the episode where O'Neill kills Hathor, the SG teams outnumbered the Jaffa forces, and the SG teams ended up caught. If it weren't for Teal'C/Hammond and Bra'tac's elite forces, they would have all died.

Don't overestimate our forces. :) We're good, but we're not guarenteed to survive a ground assault.

immhotep
May 3rd, 2006, 03:09 AM
Im not saying were infalable, but were 1000% better than most fighters in the Galaxy, also i dont think you can be military and in the SGC without bieng special forces of some description, even normal squaddies get a tough training period we saw that in that episode with the Prodegy girl and the guy..(help me out here!)
sure the commanders lead the fight but even US officer training put them a cut above alot of people, i think the lowest rank in the SGC is sargent, which is not a nobody rank, its the top of non-officers, and you only get on an SGteam if your like a captain.

IcyNeko
May 3rd, 2006, 07:30 AM
Umm no. I think that in order to be considered for the SGC, you have to have some really good trait about you, but special forces training is not required.

I don't think Carter had Special forces training. She was a standard soldier/pilot with an extensive astrophysics background.

Hailey certainly didn't make it through special forces -- she just came straight from the air force academy upon graduation. Actually, her entire training squad came from the Air Force Academy into the SGC, and then they got reassigned to other SG teams.

I certainly think they get trained in Off-World tactics, but that's hardly special forces.

mburrows
May 8th, 2006, 05:55 PM
I'd like to see a nice mix of both, personally. And now that the Ori warriors have been introduced to the show, I think we will see more ground combat this coming season. But come on, the space battles do rock!:)




indeed a mix of both would rock....prior about to do some magic trick and a rail gun volley comes pounding on him...or maybe a few shots from a hat'ak