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GateWorld
February 8th, 2006, 08:40 PM
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Locke is trapped with the prisoner when a lockdown protocol seals them inside the hatch. Jack attempts to win the medical supplies back from Sawyer in a game of cards, while Ana Lucia, Sayid, and Charlie discover Henry's alibi.

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Morbo
March 29th, 2006, 07:19 PM
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1930/blacklightstuff5dw.jpg

Looks like a map/layout of the hatches on the island to me.
You can clearly see the I AM HERE on the bottom, with the line pointing to the hatch with the Swan drawn on it.
And the one toward the top left has the Medical logo on it.
Looks like there's some streams flowing through the octagon too.

Very interesting.

Morbo
March 29th, 2006, 07:57 PM
higher def pic:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1203/lost2cb.jpg

and just for giggles:
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/galeLicense.jpg

815!!

also anyone notice the lady Locke was talking to on the job at her house- was Nadia - Sayid's chick from Iraq

TheObiJuan
March 29th, 2006, 08:51 PM
sweet! this saved me a lot of trouble.
any idea what "CV" is regarding the CVII and CVIII, CVIV?
south west of the ? there is a hatch symbol, under it there are 3 square root symbols, one anser is 4, the other is 8, and the last on is 15.

I wonder what accident would cause a site to become inactive...

Shadow
March 30th, 2006, 02:32 AM
really wish i could read all the writing...

it looks as if all the bunkers/hatches/areas/whatever you wanna call them were connected to the middle "?" one originally but obviously all the links have been cut, where the concretes been poured? But i notice theres 3 passage ways coming from the swan bunker (as well as one swan room being cut off too) that'd be a good way to cut a passage.

Was there ever any mention of the other two passageways though?, like jack or sayid saying "Yeah theres 2 more walls just like this on down that way" when they were investigating that first wall?

Oh also correct me if i'm wrong but isn't there only 6 bunkers? Then why is there 8 on the map? (Well 7 bunkers and the main "?" in the middle), or is it that there's 6 main bunkers for all the research, and 6 films to go with them each, and the rest are just storage areas and crap like that?

ps someone tell me why if you chose to crawl under a blast door you'd choose a spot where the big "locking" pins (on the bottom) are? Thats just inviting your self to get impaled

[edit] Just found this on lostpedia

http://lostpedia.com/images/3/36/BlastDoorMap_enhanced.jpg

Ragnarok13
March 30th, 2006, 04:35 AM
my head hurts again

also in the real henrys license, the numbers 55391 add up to 23
my two cents

FoolishPleasure
March 30th, 2006, 05:48 AM
I love the close-up of the map!

Weird episode. Loved it!

yaaayoubetcha
March 30th, 2006, 06:23 AM
best ep of the season really.

something happened.

ItsDan
March 30th, 2006, 06:59 AM
Top left looks like "Quarantine Of --------------- CVII Staff"

Thermonuclearboy
March 30th, 2006, 07:23 AM
My Latin's a little rusty, but let's see if I can figure this out.

Aegrescit medendo - "[...] becomes sick"

Sursum Corda - "Path(?) upwards"

Malum consilium quod mutari non potest - possibly "Bad advice because the change is not significant" or "Because there is no authority, council is bad."

Cogito ergo doleo - "I think, therefore I suffer."

Ut sit magna, tamen certe lenta ira deorum est - "It is great now, but certainly it will decline."

Credo nos in fluctu eodem esse - "I believe that we are in flux in this place."

I think that's the gist of it. It's been a while since high school, though. I could be wrong.

yaaayoubetcha
March 30th, 2006, 07:40 AM
did a search on some of the latin.

possible translations:

sursum corda - lift up your hearts

Malum consilium quod mutari non potest - It's a bad plan that can't be changed

Cogito Ergo Doleo - I think therefore I am depressed

Ut sit magna, tamen certe lenta ira deorum est - The wrath of the gods may be great, but it certainly is slow.

Credo nos in fluctu eodem esse - I think we're on the same wavelength


I'm really interested in what a D.I.M.G team is...Dharma Initiative M.G. ??

Thermonuclearboy
March 30th, 2006, 07:47 AM
Wow. My Latin really IS rusty.

;)

It's interesting, though. If your translations are accurate, then all that writing is just insane, frustrated ramblings. Who put it there, I wonder? Someone with a good bit of time, it seems: time to piece together the clues and time to go mad. Probably not Desmond; I doubt he had time, and he didn't seem THAT crazy yet.

yaaayoubetcha
March 30th, 2006, 08:03 AM
Wow. My Latin really IS rusty.

;)

It's interesting, though. If your translations are accurate, then all that writing is just insane, frustrated ramblings. Who put it there, I wonder? Someone with a good bit of time, it seems: time to piece together the clues and time to go mad. Probably not Desmond; I doubt he had time, and he didn't seem THAT crazy yet.

I'm interested to see if they'll advance this and have them make an effort to find the rest of the hatches. I assume each one has an external door like the medical hatch and their own hatch.

I'm fairly disappointed with this season..they've done a lot of good work integrating the other half of the plane and some interesting character eps...but nothing to really advance the point of being on the island...i think they need to persue this map for the rest of the season.

ItsDan
March 30th, 2006, 10:15 AM
Since we have no episode discussion thread yet:


Anyone else assume the station(s) were shutdown remotely to stop the resupply plane(s) from crashing?

yaaayoubetcha
March 30th, 2006, 10:23 AM
I'd kinda been toying with that idea as well, but didn't want to post anything until there was an official thread...

Ragnarok13
March 30th, 2006, 01:14 PM
i just noticed on my TiVo that the safty deposit box was marked "1516"
:mckayanime18:

rarocks24
March 30th, 2006, 02:07 PM
Since we have no episode discussion thread yet:


Anyone else assume the station(s) were shutdown remotely to stop the resupply plane(s) from crashing?
Ooh...great, didn't think about that.

As far as bunkers are concerned...has anyone stopped to consider that the "Others" have their own bunkers, and that they may be divided into tribes? That like the Flight 815 survivors, these tribes are independent and distrustful of the others (clue-word use), just as the Flight 815 survivors distrust the "Others". It could have been part of the motivation of some of the "Others" in kidnapping the children, afraid that harm could come to the children...that they may also fear the other tribe so if you kidnap them that tribe would die out?

Could the island be divided more than just the simple Flight 815 survivors and the "Others"?

Morbo
March 30th, 2006, 05:38 PM
Apparently some people have absolutely no lives, so they translated everything in the picture.
Found this at my other forums

I spoilered it cause its a large picture:

Enjoy:

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMap.jpg

ItsDan
March 30th, 2006, 06:55 PM
Morbo thanks!

It sounds like it was written by someone investigating the island/Hanso Foundation. They knew a lot more than us, but dont seem to be an 'insider' by any account.

Thermonuclearboy
March 30th, 2006, 07:02 PM
Hmmm...references to the "Cerberus System." Could that be the smoke monster's proper name?

Morbo
March 30th, 2006, 08:13 PM
here's another with all the messages written out - maybe even clearer.

VERY BIG PIC
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4043/243bfbf33ol.jpg

thumbnail for it:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4043/243bfbf33ol.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=243bfbf33ol.jpg)

pastence
March 31st, 2006, 02:53 AM
Concidering the way Lock has always behaved, he will probably not tell anyone about what he saw on the wall, for at least the next 10 episodes...

why did Henry (imposter) crawl back throuht the vent after apparently putting the numbers into the computer if he could have just walked to Lock when the safety doors went up???

ItsDan
March 31st, 2006, 04:18 AM
"Henry" stated the doors didn't start going up until after he'd typed in the numbers and began going back. It wasnt until he was back up in the ducts that things opened.

Slight change to my hypothesis:

Are they really blast doors, or electromagnetic shielding? (either would be a very thick door)

yaaayoubetcha
March 31st, 2006, 06:26 AM
Slight change to my hypothesis:

Are they really blast doors, or electromagnetic shielding? (either would be a very thick door)


I suspect they serve both purposes.

Thermonuclearboy
March 31st, 2006, 07:09 AM
Concidering the way Lock has always behaved, he will probably not tell anyone about what he saw on the wall, for at least the next 10 episodes...

That's not just Locke's behavior. NO ONE on this show talks to each other, man! If they just called a meeting once and pooled all their info, maybe they'd get somewhere.

Tok'Ra Hostess
March 31st, 2006, 07:21 AM
That's not just Locke's behavior. NO ONE on this show talks to each other, man! If they just called a meeting once and pooled all their info, maybe they'd get somewhere.

As Hurley would say, "Loop, dude. Loop."

:D

My guess is that the wierdness in the hatch happened because the hatch is wired to other stations and folks at another station wanted to provide a means of freeing their agent so that he could wreak a bit of havoc or even input some timely code into the computers.

Oblivion147
March 31st, 2006, 07:38 AM
The doors came down to keep the residents in the hatch while the food was delivered so their identity was kept secret. Or we know the food was parachuted in, therefore dropped from the air. Perhaps the doors come down to protect the aircraft the odd affects the island produces (similar to what brought down Oceanic 815). If you look at the very bottom of the map it reads:

"PRD : Every 6-8 months"

Could this be Parachute Resupply Drop or something similar??

Morbo
March 31st, 2006, 08:39 AM
The doors came down to keep the residents in the hatch while the food was delivered so their identity was kept secret. Or we know the food was parachuted in, therefore dropped from the air. Perhaps the doors come down to protect the aircraft the odd affects the island produces (similar to what brought down Oceanic 815). If you look at the very bottom of the map it reads:

"PRD : Every 6-8 months"

Could this be Parachute Resupply Drop or something similar??

indeed. i was just coming in here to post this actually.

My friend theorized that the doors come down when the supply drop happens so the people in the hatch aren't exposed to the others on the island. Remember they are quarantined inside the hatch.
this also explains how they got a new washer/drier in the hatch, etc.
the map was drawn in secret on the blast door so other people coming down bringing supplies into the bunker couldn't ever see that they had been outside when they weren't suppsoed to be.

Tok'Ra Hostess
March 31st, 2006, 09:52 AM
/\ /\ Makes sense.

Still, nobody on the island noticed a plane? Or a parachute? In broad daylight?

Plothole, maybe?

aaobuttons
March 31st, 2006, 09:55 AM
/\ /\ Makes sense.

Still, nobody on the island noticed a plane? Or a parachute? In broad daylight?

Plothole, maybe?


If they were up high enough before they dropped it then nobody would have noticed it.

ItsDan
March 31st, 2006, 09:58 AM
There was a quarantine sign on the inside of the hatch, but the front door was never indicated to be locked.

chodu82
March 31st, 2006, 09:59 AM
why couldnt locke just get through the vent??? instead of lifting the doors

chodu82
March 31st, 2006, 10:02 AM
i think the hatches are a doorway to hell... and the others are gods angels.

cerbereus is the black smoke... protecting the doorway... and henry works for the devil him self hanso

Tok'Ra Hostess
March 31st, 2006, 12:54 PM
If they were up high enough before they dropped it then nobody would have noticed it.

Yeah, but, too high and the possibility of missing the mark - even dropping into the ocean - greatly increases. And the drop-bag was ripped and its loosely packed contents spilled. Imagine what the supplies would look like if they'd been dropped from too high?

I think the plane is like the shiny new chains in the 100+ year old slave ship, a plothole.

Happy_Gate
March 31st, 2006, 06:23 PM
Everyone's assuming that a plane dropped the stuff but couldn't it be released from a high point like a mountain and drifted there?
Just a thought.

Morbo
March 31st, 2006, 08:57 PM
If they were up high enough before they dropped it then nobody would have noticed it.

http://www.stargazr.us/Photo%20Gallery/B-2%20Spirit%20Stealth%20Bomber.jpg

duh!!!
:cool: ;)

Morbo
March 31st, 2006, 08:59 PM
another - with latin translations on it for us non-latiners

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/blastDoorMap.jpg

Oblivion147
April 1st, 2006, 01:15 AM
Great maps thanks, saves me a lot of headaches!

I agree that Cereberus is our friendly monster. Have you seen on the map how it seems to be to surround our survivors. Perhaps this is why they have been left alone compared to the tailies. What if its actually protecting them.

Also the middle of the island is represented by a question mark and we all guess that there is something 'big' there! If you look at the upcoming episodes, 2.21 is called "?". How much do i NEED to see this episode

I'm so happy Lost has got me thinking again.

Watched the episode with a friend again last night and when Locke was doing the survey of the house in his flashback my friend said "That's Nadia, Sayid's girlfriend". She was right it is, can't believe I missed that, I feel ashamed!

The Signal
April 1st, 2006, 05:04 AM
MDG? M____ DeGroot perhaps? Mr? Mrs? Or perhaps a son or daughter of theirs?

Happy_Gate
April 1st, 2006, 05:09 AM
who's de groot?

yaaayoubetcha
April 1st, 2006, 05:23 AM
There was a quarantine sign on the inside of the hatch, but the front door was never indicated to be locked.


which is an interesting point.

you put quarantine signs and dangers signs and warning signs and the like....on the side of of a door you'd expect people to be seeing.

there was none on the outside of the hatch. just a warning on the inside of the hatch. safety inside because they used to be quarantined away from whatever was outside.

The Signal
April 1st, 2006, 05:24 AM
^^The couple that worked with Alvar Hanso to set up the Initiative, Gerald and and Karen DeGroot. Gerald is rumoured to be Mr. Friendly/Zeke

Thermonuclearboy
April 1st, 2006, 08:42 PM
Am I the only one who's stopped liking Kate now? I mean, she likes Jack again now that he's cool. Dumping Sawyer like a hot potato. She just seems very opportunistic to me, latching onto this week's Alpha Male. Might be a function of her being a fugitive for so many years, but it bugs me.

ItsDan
April 2nd, 2006, 11:06 AM
Am I the only one who's stopped liking Kate now? I mean, she likes Jack again now that he's cool. Dumping Sawyer like a hot potato. She just seems very opportunistic to me, latching onto this week's Alpha Male. Might be a function of her being a fugitive for so many years, but it bugs me.


Sawyer represents her step-father, a man she completely resents, yet she finds herself attracted to the same type of man. Jack represents her possible salvation from continuing the bad choices her mother made in her own relationships.

yaaayoubetcha
April 3rd, 2006, 09:42 AM
Am I the only one who's stopped liking Kate now? I mean, she likes Jack again now that he's cool. Dumping Sawyer like a hot potato. She just seems very opportunistic to me, latching onto this week's Alpha Male. Might be a function of her being a fugitive for so many years, but it bugs me.

i never really liked her.

i find her the weakest character.
she does little and her occasional backstory eps don't really do much in terms of rousing sympathy or dislike.

she's currently #1 on my list of characters that could be bumped off.
they've taken care of the first 2 already.

The Signal
April 3rd, 2006, 10:35 AM
I agree, especially after S2, where everyone who was quiet before has now become fantastic (Michael, Sun, Jin and Claire) The character i would least like to see killed off is Sawyer, who is pretty much the best one on there (followed closely by Locke) gotta say Josh Holloway did an awesome job acting in "The Longest Con", so did Dom (Charlie)

Thermonuclearboy
April 4th, 2006, 05:44 AM
which is an interesting point.

you put quarantine signs and dangers signs and warning signs and the like....on the side of of a door you'd expect people to be seeing.

there was none on the outside of the hatch. just a warning on the inside of the hatch. safety inside because they used to be quarantined away from whatever was outside.

There wouldn't need to be a lock on the hatch. At least not on the INSIDE. If you believed there was a disease ravaging the Island and the only safe place was inside the bunker, would you need to be locked in to prevent you from going out there?

Which leads me to wonder...how are the supplies from the food drop supposed to get from the drop site to the bunker?

This situation on the Island seems to be shaping up like a Milgram Experiment situation, only gone even more out of control. And with psychics, apparently...

ItsDan
April 4th, 2006, 08:56 AM
how are the supplies from the food drop supposed to get from the drop site to the bunker?


Through the front door?

Thermonuclearboy
April 4th, 2006, 09:19 AM
how are the supplies from the food drop supposed to get from the drop site to the bunker?


Through the front door?

But wouldn't that require someone to actually leave the bunker to get them? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of the quarantine?

ItsDan
April 4th, 2006, 09:56 AM
We don't know enough about the disease or the quarantine. Desmond was taking what we now know/believe to be the same vaccine that Ethan was giving Claire's child.

Tok'Ra Hostess
April 4th, 2006, 02:58 PM
Well, once again I think the Canadians got a different "next week on Lost" preview. Did you Americans get the Hurley is seeing things, or the Not Henry Gale gets interrogated by the Sayid/Ana-Lucia tag-team torturers?

yaaayoubetcha
April 5th, 2006, 07:09 AM
Well, once again I think the Canadians got a different "next week on Lost" preview. Did you Americans get the Hurley is seeing things, or the Not Henry Gale gets interrogated by the Sayid/Ana-Lucia tag-team torturers?

in MN I saw the Hurley previews...

and if they play out like indicated (and they rarely do) i'll be some pissed off.

Morbo
April 5th, 2006, 09:12 AM
they aren't gonna kill Hurley. he's too lovable.

but yes, us americans got the hurley preview. but i saw the CA preview on youtube:

WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SooKRj86vfY&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b

Henry: "You have no idea what he'll do!"
Ana Lucia: "The guy with the beard?"
Henry: "Him? He's no one! Nothing!!"


DUN DUN DUNNNN!!!!

KatG
April 5th, 2006, 09:12 AM
Well, once again I think the Canadians got a different "next week on Lost" preview. Did you Americans get the Hurley is seeing things, or the Not Henry Gale gets interrogated by the Sayid/Ana-Lucia tag-team torturers?

I got "Hurley is seeing things".


they aren't gonna kill Hurley. he's too lovable.

but yes, us americans got the hurley preview. but i saw the CA preview on youtube:

WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SooKRj86vfY&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b

Henry: "You have no idea what he'll do!"
Ana Lucia: "The guy with the beard?"
Henry: "Him? He's no one! Nothing!!"


DUN DUN DUNNNN!!!!

Oh wow! That's a much better preview.

yaaayoubetcha
April 5th, 2006, 10:31 AM
they aren't gonna kill Hurley. he's too lovable.

but yes, us americans got the hurley preview. but i saw the CA preview on youtube:

WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SooKRj86vfY&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b

Henry: "You have no idea what he'll do!"
Ana Lucia: "The guy with the beard?"
Henry: "Him? He's no one! Nothing!!"


DUN DUN DUNNNN!!!!

a far better preview....youtube is down right now though....bummer.

Arative
April 5th, 2006, 01:15 PM
Pretty interesting episode.
I was thinking that Locke's dad is the same con man that stole from Sawyer's parents? He did say he was running a retirement con on those two guys.

I really want to know more about the bunkers now and how they are all related.

ItsDan
April 5th, 2006, 01:44 PM
Yeah I'm also guessing Locke's dad is the guy who killed Sawyer's parents, the timeframe fits fairly well. I doubt the actual money was from them (his 'retirement' con), but certainly plausible Sawyer's family was a victim of him at some point.

Arative
April 5th, 2006, 01:48 PM
Yeah I'm also guessing Locke's dad is the guy who killed Sawyer's parents, the timeframe fits fairly well. I doubt the actual money was from them (his 'retirement' con), but certainly plausible Sawyer's family was a victim of him at some point.

The way everyone on the plane seems to tie together somehow, I wouldn't be surprised.

Happy_Gate
April 5th, 2006, 01:49 PM
Yeah I'm also guessing Locke's dad is the guy who killed Sawyer's parents, the timeframe fits fairly well. I doubt the actual money was from them (his 'retirement' con), but certainly plausible Sawyer's family was a victim of him at some point.
So is locke's dad named 'sawyer'?
Was his name ever mentioned?

Tok'Ra Hostess
April 5th, 2006, 02:04 PM
So is locke's dad named 'sawyer'?
Was his name ever mentioned?

Would a con-man use his real name, though?

Happy_Gate
April 5th, 2006, 02:08 PM
Would a con-man use his real name, though?
good point.

DangerIsGo
April 6th, 2006, 12:24 AM
So we obviously visited the sawn, the staff (maternity leave), and the arrow (the other 48 days, where the tail end hid out for a while..but we still didnt learn much from that place except it looked more like storage than anything..the the other part of the film was hidden) I really wonder waht the incident was, and how the black smoke, and the hatches are all tied together.

Naonak
April 6th, 2006, 12:31 PM
On the map it says "SITE OF H.G. DELEGATION INSPECTION 12.07.81".
Could H.G. be Henry Gale?
It does seem likely that whoever made the map was responsible for pressing the button, as it also says that travel time to somewhere is "incompatible with 108".

howie2000slc
April 6th, 2006, 04:59 PM
Locke's dad's name was Anthony Cooper, if that was his real name anyway..

why the hell would locke think that the giant heavy blast doors would be held up by a aluminium tool box.. sometimes he seems really dumb..

i like the interaction between Sawyer and Jack, "if i want the guns, ill get the guns"

one point on the drop of the supplies.. it would have probably been done at night so that the plane was less visable, that would also explain the signal light on the top...


howie

Tok'Ra Hostess
April 15th, 2006, 07:04 AM
one point on the drop of the supplies.. it would have probably been done at night so that the plane was less visable, that would also explain the signal light on the top...
howie

But the lockdown at the hatch happened during the poker game between Jack and Sawyer, which happened during the day. Now, if the lockdown really was a protective measure for the passing plane, then the drop had to happen during the day, from an altitude that would keep the plane (but not the chute) out of sight/hearing from the islanders.

A question: Anybody here know about high-altitude parachute drops? Could the drop have been equipped with some kind of magnetic device to guide it to land in a specific spot on the island?

Metarock Sam
August 9th, 2006, 02:44 AM
All I can say is what an episode in my opinion it is the best ep of the season yet !!!
revealing more of Locke's past was interesting and it made me feel even more sorry for Locke.
The doors coming down was the only predictible part of the episode since the ep is called Lockdown.
and I kind of had a big suscpicion about Henry (fake Henry) in the fact that he did seem more like an other with his old mind games plus the way he pleaded Locke to protect him suggest somthing was up too.
Buit the best bit had to be when the blue lights came on and revelead that wonderful map which is so brilliant.
Bring on next week !!!

rushy
July 16th, 2011, 09:32 AM
One of my fav eps. Ben is an awesome character.