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Alex Rubit
March 29th, 2006, 08:54 AM
Stargate: Horizon - Season Two
"Path of Revelation, Part Two"

"Path of Revelation, Part Two"
Ep: 2.13
Release Date: March 30th 2006
Written by Alex Rubit

With time running out, Grant realizes that the Ancient chamber in Malasyia might not really be what it appears to be. And as Christine discovers a dark secret hidden in the writings, the real extent of the threat Earth is facing becomes apparent.

Alex Rubit
March 29th, 2006, 10:19 PM
The episode will be released in less than 24 hours. The thread is now open for discussion.

I won't be able to open the thread at the exact time the episode will be released, which will probably be closer to 4pm EST again this time around. So I figured better open the thread early than too late. ;)

SierraGulf1
March 30th, 2006, 05:45 PM
Nevermind. *See Alex's post for link to ep*

Erik Pasternak
March 30th, 2006, 06:15 PM
I wouldn't worry about whether you should be doing it or not, the link doesn't work. ;)

SierraGulf1
March 30th, 2006, 06:33 PM
Hmmmm, that's odd. I can see it just fine, even after logging out of the Yahoo group. Perhaps it has to be hosted on a site somewhere, hopefully Alex/Sam come along and notice this. :cameron:

Erik Pasternak
March 30th, 2006, 07:11 PM
Wow...I got through that one fast. I liked it, but I don't think it was the best ending ever--very much a deus ex machina. Also, there were some pretty noticable (and annoying) spelling errors.

Elitenova
March 30th, 2006, 08:41 PM
I hope Senator Connely will not be pResident.

NoDot
March 31st, 2006, 06:01 AM
Please tell me someone kills Connely!

prometheus72
March 31st, 2006, 06:27 AM
Very good episode. Nice fake out with Christine almost dying. A lot of unanswered questions were left. What is the final count on civilian fatalities due to the mass panic the Enoly attack caused? What will the future hold for the ISGC? What will the ramifications be of Christine's near death experience? Will we learn more about Tom's experience with the Nebulans? Who was the spy at the Malasian outpost that Edmunds was waiting to hear from? Where (or when) is the Enoly fleet now? Will we be seeing Dureg and Edmunds again? Are there any advanced ships to still be found? What else does that jewel that Grant's father gave him do? What is humanities true destiny that the Nebulan alluded to?

I guess that a lot of unanswered questions mean a lot more great episodes to come to explore them. I think Season 2 is shaping up to be the best yet. No sophmore slump here. :cameron: Keep up the great work. As always, I can't wait for the next episode!

Alex Rubit
March 31st, 2006, 08:25 AM
Wow...I got through that one fast. I liked it, but I don't think it was the best ending ever--very much a deus ex machina. Also, there were some pretty noticable (and annoying) spelling errors.

The ending went through a few developments actually; that wasn't working for the longest time.

However, I have to say it's actually not a deus ex machina. I know Joe Mallozzi said this some time ago about another episode, and it's true. A deus ex machina would be resolving the story in a way where the main protagonist doesn't have any influence on how it's ultimately resolved, meaning it's nothing that Grant or anyone else really had any influence on. In this case everything since "The Devil To Pay" has been leading up right toward this. This alone was the reason for the Nebulan Woman to even talk to Grant in "The Devil To Pay".

So it comes unexpected, but not a deus ex machina.

Alex Rubit
March 31st, 2006, 08:26 AM
I hope Senator Connely will not be pResident.

Hmm. Who knows? :cameron:

Alex Rubit
March 31st, 2006, 08:27 AM
Please tell me someone kills Connely!

He has secret service watching out for him. So...

Alex Rubit
March 31st, 2006, 08:35 AM
Very good episode. Nice fake out with Christine almost dying. A lot of unanswered questions were left. What is the final count on civilian fatalities due to the mass panic the Enoly attack caused? What will the future hold for the ISGC? What will the ramifications be of Christine's near death experience? Will we learn more about Tom's experience with the Nebulans? Who was the spy at the Malasian outpost that Edmunds was waiting to hear from? Where (or when) is the Enoly fleet now? Will we be seeing Dureg and Edmunds again? Are there any advanced ships to still be found? What else does that jewel that Grant's father gave him do? What is humanities true destiny that the Nebulan alluded to?

I guess that a lot of unanswered questions mean a lot more great episodes to come to explore them. I think Season 2 is shaping up to be the best yet. No sophmore slump here. :cameron: Keep up the great work. As always, I can't wait for the next episode!

A whole lot of those unanswered questions you've mentioned will be addressed in the near future actually. Let's say they were left unanswered for that reason exactly. :cameron:

I'm glad it came through that Dureg as well as Edmunds perhaps weren't killed. We made it a big point that the Enoly ships were in fact not destroyed, they kind of just vanished. So you do have to wonder where did they go, and was that the way this weapon was supposed to work? All I can say is, expect a surprise regarding that at some point later in the season. If I said anything more it would already classify as a spoiler.

The same goes for the spy in Malaysia. Was Kevin really innocent? Was it perhaps Moore? I'm sure one day we might know. The fun of telling stories over a long time period.

And humanity's destiny that you mentioned, that's pretty much what the whole series in the long run is about. So, definitely by the time the series ends (whenever that will be), we'll be closer to knowing what that's all about. We have been discussing some long term plans for the future of the show as well as some of the characters.

Anyway, there's so many things you mentioned. I'll just leave it at saying... we're not planning to leave any plot thread unresolved. ;)

Erik Pasternak
March 31st, 2006, 12:20 PM
The ending went through a few developments actually; that wasn't working for the longest time.

However, I have to say it's actually not a deus ex machina. I know Joe Mallozzi said this some time ago about another episode, and it's true. A deus ex machina would be resolving the story in a way where the main protagonist doesn't have any influence on how it's ultimately resolved, meaning it's nothing that Grant or anyone else really had any influence on. In this case everything since "The Devil To Pay" has been leading up right toward this. This alone was the reason for the Nebulan Woman to even talk to Grant in "The Devil To Pay".

So it comes unexpected, but not a deus ex machina.
That's a good point...I guess "unexpected" sums it up pretty well; it was defintely a non-traditional ending. ;)

Elitenova
March 31st, 2006, 08:17 PM
Who is running against Connelly. It's a two party system. He has to have an oppenant.

Alex Rubit
March 31st, 2006, 10:18 PM
That's a good point...I guess "unexpected" sums it up pretty well; it was defintely a non-traditional ending. ;)

That it definitely was. ;)

Alex Rubit
March 31st, 2006, 10:20 PM
Who is running against Connelly. It's a two party system. He has to have an oppenant.

We haven't seen who's running against Connelly basically because there was no need for him/her to be included so far. It's safe to say it's someone of the same political party to which Hayes belongs. Perhaps even his new vice president.

Elite Anubis Guard
April 1st, 2006, 07:32 AM
Well erm..wow. I really thought you were going to leave her dead. I thought Moore was going to be the Pheonix agent, but apparently well never know. Theres so much I wanna say but cant get out. wow.

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
April 1st, 2006, 08:45 AM
To be honest, I enjoyed the episode, but it wasn't as good as some of the other episodes you've done. It was interesting, but the plot didn't twist, so much as was slowly revealed, which made it feel a little slow at some parts, and made some of the scenes feel a little pointless.
I'd give it a ***1/2.

Alex Rubit
April 2nd, 2006, 09:02 PM
Okay. The temporary link has been taken down, and the episode is now up on the site. (http://www.stargatehorizon.com)

Alex Rubit
April 2nd, 2006, 09:04 PM
Well erm..wow. I really thought you were going to leave her dead. I thought Moore was going to be the Pheonix agent, but apparently well never know. Theres so much I wanna say but cant get out. wow.

I'm glad to see it had that effect. That's actually how it was intended. ;)

I think there's a chance that one day we might know who the spy was. Maybe. At this point... I think no one knows. Actually, including myself.

Alex Rubit
April 2nd, 2006, 09:06 PM
To be honest, I enjoyed the episode, but it wasn't as good as some of the other episodes you've done. It was interesting, but the plot didn't twist, so much as was slowly revealed, which made it feel a little slow at some parts, and made some of the scenes feel a little pointless.
I'd give it a ***1/2.

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Actually I think there was quite a plot twist, in that the Sentinels are still around after all. Who's to say this was the last we've heard about them? Stay tuned. ;)

By the way, the podcasts for this episode and 2.12 will be up very shortly. I know, no one believes me. So far no one's even responded to the fact that podcasts will be back weekly, which means either no one believes it (and I don't blame you), or simply no one cares. Either way, they're underway. :cameron:

Elite Anubis Guard
April 3rd, 2006, 08:16 AM
Actually, I thought it was full of twists, this entire arc.

prometheus72
April 3rd, 2006, 10:52 AM
By the way, the podcasts for this episode and 2.12 will be up very shortly. I know, no one believes me. So far no one's even responded to the fact that podcasts will be back weekly, which means either no one believes it (and I don't blame you), or simply no one cares. Either way, they're underway. :cameron:

I'm very excited that we will get to listen to podcasts again. They are such a cool special feature. It's usually a nice opportunity to get some insight into how the episode evolved and why certain plot lines were chosen over others. I can't wait. Yay!!! Podcasts are coming!!! (I just wanted Alex to be assured that his efforts haven't gone unnoticed :zelenka25:)

Elitenova
April 3rd, 2006, 07:43 PM
If Sen. Conelly wants shut down the ISGC. Then Earth will be defenseless. Although the ISGC has shipsm but if he is president, the ships will be mothball and decommission since they cost billions of dollars to manufacture.

Alex Rubit
April 3rd, 2006, 07:56 PM
If Sen. Conelly wants shut down the ISGC. Then Earth will be defenseless. Although the ISGC has shipsm but if he is president, the ships will be mothball and decommission since they cost billions of dollars to manufacture.

It's important to note that it's not just Senator Connelly who wants to shut down the ISGC. If it were only him, he couldn't do that, even if he were to become president. Unlike during the times when it was the SGC, it's now an international institution. And as Grant said in "Path of Revelation, Part Two", all major decisions have to be made unanimously by all parties involved, and in addition they need to be sanctioned by the International Comittee. We haven't gone too far into how the politics behind the ISGC work, but it's something I'm sure we'll be seeing more of in the future.

That said, Connelly will probably be gaining a lot of support after the recent events - not only politically but also from the public.

travis
April 4th, 2006, 10:23 PM
Have to say I really enjoyed both pt 1&2. Nice to see earth with new a class ship and finally we got energy weapon. Now we don't have to throw rocks and stones at our enemy. I have to admit I knew the sentinels were some how envolved with the chamber in Malaysia.
One thing that kind of on my mind was that now with our level of technology, would'nt we have some form of orbital/satelite weapons for defence.:)

Alex Rubit
April 5th, 2006, 08:49 AM
Have to say I really enjoyed both pt 1&2. Nice to see earth with new a class ship and finally we got energy weapon. Now we don't have to throw rocks and stones at our enemy. I have to admit I knew the sentinels were some how envolved with the chamber in Malaysia.
One thing that kind of on my mind was that now with our level of technology, would'nt we have some form of orbital/satelite weapons for defence.:)

I'm glad you liked the episodes. :)

Interesting that you should mention defense satelites, because we've actually talked about that. It was a note someone gave during the earlier stages of the script. Ultimately we decided not to include them here, which means we might actually get to see such satelites being put into place at some point in the future.

Elite Anubis Guard
April 5th, 2006, 11:15 AM
Be interesting seeing them placed around Horizon itself.

mentalmichael
April 21st, 2006, 02:41 PM
Shouldn't Earth have been able to use the ancient outpost? We learn in the Atlantis ep Seige II that the mark 2 naquadah generator can power the chair (albeit only for a short time) and the chair still has drones.

Just a thought!

Alex Rubit
April 22nd, 2006, 05:54 AM
Shouldn't Earth have been able to use the ancient outpost? We learn in the Atlantis ep Seige II that the mark 2 naquadah generator can power the chair (albeit only for a short time) and the chair still has drones.

Just a thought!

It might still have drones now. But who's to say it still has drones in seven years? ;)

Wineblood
April 22nd, 2006, 09:55 AM
I think the idea was to fight the Enoly before they got to Earth. A space battle is preferable to ships fighting over major cities.

Ok, maybe not how it was intended, but space battles are cooler ;)

cheese
January 16th, 2007, 07:16 AM
Hmmm.

I found myself wishing that Sivok would turn up to liven things up a little while reading this episode.

Tom's Nebulan connection was tossed to the sidelines and not followed up, which was pretty disappointing considering it was barely hinted at. From the set up in the last episode it would have made more sense for what happened to Christine to have happened to him.

The Sentinels return is perhaps the strongest positive point for this episode. During season one they were generally built up to be the ultimate enemy, but them were defeated rather simply and outdone by the Enoly. Nice to see their return, and hopefully in a stronger form that they've been around previously.

With all the revelations I get the feeling that the Nebulans and the Sentinels are not only simmilar but they are the SAME race, and that perhaps Grant is a pawn in their BIG plan. Otherwise It's looking like the Nebulans are a bit too similar to the Ancients in many ways, especially as they were portrayed early in SG-1 with Oma for instance.

Christine dying felt kind of empty, there was the strong feeling that she wouldn't actually be killed off properly, and if she had really dead it would have been a really pointless death. A technical point regarding that is that defibrillators are never ever used when someone is flatlining. It's a really common mistake in film/tv purely because it looks very dramatic.

The three parter here in general is too vague and drawn out, a lot of scenes felt unnecessary and it feels like the same story could have been told in one, maybe two episodes rather than three.

The new organisation seems a rather weak way to go, with so many secret organisations getting tangled up things could easily become a complex mess.

The most disappointing of the multi-part stories so far IMO. Too many questions and not enough definitive answers. The ending was a cliché deus ex machina ending.

There are interesting places to go though, with the Sentinels back, Tom's Nebulan connection, Grant's "Destiny", yet another secret organisation, the general public turning against the ISGC and the vanishing of the Enoly ships gives plenty of scope for development. I really hope that those developments aren't as vague, or as slowly revealed.

jelgate
December 3rd, 2007, 10:17 PM
Jelgate's Two CentsI definatly thought this episode was an improvment from part I. That said, I will start with my complaints. I didn't find Chase and Sieva being kidnapped that important. Its not like they did anything being captured this time like the Enloy three parter.?* Speaking of the Enloy, are they dead or just someone else. Saying there is no debris just leads me to believe they were?* transport to a different dimension or place in space. I hope they are still around becuase I liked Dreug as a villianI have begged and begged for some development for Christine and have got it. The past three episodes have shown a lot about her and her family. It obvious that Kevin and Christine don't agree on a lot of issues. I pray that Connelly doesn't become president.?* Back to Christine, I was pleased to see that she was able to see her halluciantion was really from. The Sentinels are still out there trying to make it back to our dimension. I wonder if they will ever get their power. Its always up to Grant to save the day. I have no idea what that Neublan weapon was, but it looked cool. I wonder is it a new defense system like the Antartic weapon. This episode resolved a lot of the intermediate questions but still leaves many unaswered questions. I give it a 4/5

Alex Rubit
December 4th, 2007, 02:55 PM
Speaking of the Enloy, are they dead or just someone else. Saying there is no debris just leads me to believe they were?* transport to a different dimension or place in space.

This is a question that will be answered at a later point in the series. ;)

Always great to see your reviews, jelgate. I'm glad you're enjoying the series, and look forward to see what you think of the episodes to come.

jelgate
December 4th, 2007, 04:22 PM
This is a question that will be answered at a later point in the series. ;)Always great to see your reviews, jelgate. I'm glad you're enjoying the series, and look forward to see what you think of the episodes to come.I aim to please. To be fair it doesn't take much to please me. I am very pro when it comes to SG-1/Atlantis.?* I try to do an episod a day. Unfortunatly I'm going to have to take?* next Sunday-Wednesday off. Curse you college finals. But I'll be back on Thursday when I start my month long break.?* I know you guys will take a hitaus break sone. My goal is to be caught up by the time that break is over

Wineblood
December 4th, 2007, 05:42 PM
I try to do an episod a day. Unfortunatly I'm going to have to take next Sunday-Wednesday off. Curse you college finals. But I'll be back on Thursday when I start my month long break. I know you guys will take a hitaus break sone. My goal is to be caught up by the time that break is over

No need to go too fast, otherwise you'll go from reading 10 episodes a week to 1 a week.

jelgate
December 4th, 2007, 07:28 PM
No need to go too fast, otherwise you'll go from reading 10 episodes a week to 1 a week.At the most I read 7 a week. Most weeks I only get in five. I just want to be involved in the disscusions when new episoded are released