Design your own Atlantis defense system

[freyr's mother]

First of all, I would like to say that there should not be any drones or satellite beam weapons or trinity turrets, or energy weapons that are from sg. Describe or give a detailed picture of placement and describe how the system works.

The purpose of this system is to come up with a defensive system should the city's drones not be available.

My system:

Aegis system combined w/several hundred SAM batteries placed strategically around the city. The sam sites are the red dots. The ones placed on the towers of the city are at the top. The ones one the command tower are at the level of the gate room.

Image is very large (mod note)
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The Anti-ship weapon that will be used is the Directed energy weapon that the USA is currently developing. It will be in the form of a large satellite dish that will be atop the command tower on a spinny thing that can shoot at anything in space.

[Bragi]

I'm sorry....... that picture just makes me think we should be sending out Daedalus packed to the gills with Clearasil.

[freyr's mother]

I suppose it does kind of look like altantis with chicken-pox.

[nickak2003]

Self-Destruct: the best and only defense against the wraith and their torpedos.

[zpm!!]

a focused beam weapon sys,
1 on each pier, then they combine in the foucer mounted on the top of the central tower!!!
then when fired, it would look like the weapon of the deathstar on starwars, but with out the big crator size dish!!!!!!!!!
this weapon would be like the a satelite eapon but more powerful, say like 6 to 1 ratio in power for the weapon to the satelite weapon!!

[lionel_pendergast_rocks]

Arcturus Energy Cannon (not set to overload) - Powered by a couple Naquadah Reactors - Mounted on the Command Tower

64x Rail Gun Emplacements

A Full Compliment of Drones in the City's Hold

ICBM Launchers on the Seafloor, as well as on the mainland

[ancientaction]

We need to place stretegicly round the city, possibley outside the shield barrier, a few large eminiating space magnets,. that when an enemy ships shows up in orbit, the magnets magnetize themselves and hurl up towards the enemy ships, obliterating them.

[pRyvvik]

If the wraith ships are biological in nature than we should just develop a virus to infect them.

If the biological based ships are based on wraith biology...just get giant salt water cannons.

[immhotep]

Ok, atlantis defense system:

Aerial:

stage 1#
use the deadalus to move large asteroids in to place above the planet, when i say this i mean ALOT of them, basicly cover all the area above atlantis with asteroids...dart will be severely hindered by the dodgeing and the hive wont be able to fire because they will just make the field full of smaller bit for the darts to avoid..

Stage 2#
Create an airbase on the mainland, bring, using the ships we have left as many fighters, choppers and F-302's as we can, have something substantial, with large squadrons to patrol the skies and take the fight to the darks and cruisers like we did to the goauld in antartica..

Stage 3# deploy actual space mines, with engines, claoks and sensors, that will seek out the wraith hives, at the very least take out thier dart fleets.. alot of them, but this time to move in from behind the wraith, perhap stationed on a mood nearby..this would secure our airspace

Combat:
position the orion forfront in a battle, with shields and drones it can withsntad more than the deadalus, have its F-302 fighter wing be supported with PJ's in aerialf ighter combat preceding the main AA defence in the atmosphere.

AA defence on atlantis, same as you, SAM sites all over the place; but i have one extra surprise...boays floated out in to the ocean ( tethered together and to atlnatis) are turreted auto fire rail guns, thousand of them, making a carpet of rail gun fire accross the sea.

[freyr's mother]

These ideas are all great but i said defense systems that didn't include drones in them you know, like for when atlantis' stockpile of drones runs out and when Orions drones are depleted.

[immhotep]

i was only saying that the drones/ other weapons on the orion will be better for the lead ship role than the rail guns on the deadalus, not saying that we going to have a huge drone swarm wipe out fleets...

[Ace-SG1-]

aww you all suck.... why go for sams? whan u can up grade to nuke?
1. nuke sams
2. AA guns
3. X303 (**** load)
4. .50 cal AA guns
5. Master Cheff (Halo 2)
6. 10,000,000 hackers hacking the ships that are attacking
7. erths ppl fighting.
so ya!!! lol

[thegreatKull]

i think we should
1. place huge rail guns in orbit, ones that are about the size of the deadelus. we attach massive payloads to them that have inertial dampeners attached and the ancient sheild phaseing tech, these rounds should be sufficent to smash a hive ship and cripple the hives around them. this would take massive amounts of power so i suggest we harness the power of the sun in the system by turning it into a gigantic fusion reactor(not that it isnt already anyway) and then beaming the power to the rail guns via laser.

2. break up any other planets insystem and turn them into a massive asteroid field that we put up inside a cloaking field where the most likely point the wraith would jump to.

3the easyest way to bust up the wraith is to figure out the anti-electronics field from 'childhoods end' 106. and place a massive one up in the place where the satalite weapons were(cloaked of course) so that they get caught in space and then spring it on the wraith ships and without power they stop circulating air and the wraith sufficate to death.

just an idea

[FatTzu]

stage 1#
use the deadalus to move large asteroids in to place above the planet, when i say this i mean ALOT of them, basicly cover all the area above atlantis with asteroids...dart will be severely hindered by the dodgeing and the hive wont be able to fire because they will just make the field full of smaller bit for the darts to avoid..

I foresee the hive ships creating a hyperspace window for the darts to fly through bypassing the asteriods altogether. As long the window comes short of the atmosphere it's no problem.

Stage 2#
Create an airbase on the mainland, bring, using the ships we have left as many fighters, choppers and F-302's as we can, have something substantial, with large squadrons to patrol the skies and take the fight to the darks and cruisers like we did to the goauld in antartica..

Would be extremely difficult and costly to do with the only means of getting the resources to the pegasus galaxy being the daedalus which only has limited capacity. Then after all that effort the darts will prove on par or superior to the F302s.

Stage 3# deploy actual space mines, with engines, claoks and sensors, that will seek out the wraith hives, at the very least take out thier dart fleets.. alot of them, but this time to move in from behind the wraith, perhap stationed on a mood nearby..this would secure our airspace

Now that is a good idea. With the mines further out they can't be eliminated with meteors so easily as they did in the siege. The boays could also work but there effectiveness is disputable, and having thousands is going over the top.

w/several hundred SAM batteries placed strategically around the city.

While potentailly destroying the darts, the debri from their large scale suicide dives would still cause considerable damage. Worst case scenario the missiles follow the darts into the dive and contribute to the damage (due to the speed of the missiles this is very unlikely). Despite this I would still consider it necessary to create SAM sites.

If the wraith ships are biological in nature than we should just develop a virus to infect them.

This could very well be the weakness in wraith technology the Aurora discovered.

Defending against another siege with our current technology would be next to impossible. The orion whilst strong can not bear the entire brunt of the wraith fleet and the wraith will not fall for a fake destruction again.

I think the ideal way to defeat the wraith is to lay a trap similar to the asguard trap against the replicators. When the entire fleet arrives to bombard teh shield, the city escapes through the gate. The remaining teams dial the nearest black hole and escape with the master control cyrstal in puddle jumpers by travelling underwater. Then as the wraith spend days bombarding the shield in realtime, their time will be dilated giving the rest of the galaxy time to come up with a solution. Probably pRyvvik's proposal for a virus.

[Mvrck]

Well assuming we're going with a more or less unlimited budget here, though I'm trying to keep it realistic with the cost the world leaders would be willing to spend considering this is our last bastion against the Wraith.

Part one deals mainly with static emplacements and traps to throw off the Wraith initiative.

Part 1:


A) Definitely use the Orion and Daedelus to create a debris field in a geo-synchronos orbit above Atlantis. Trick with this is, odds are there is no way you can make a field anywhere dense enough to pose issues with piloting, or to cover the sheer amount of space to disrupt targeting. It would take a fleet of ships possibly years and block a signifigant portion of a quarter of a hemisphere.

So here comes wheels within wheels. You bring in as many rocks as you can, and you cluster them loosely, and make it look like a pitiful attempt to follow the above described plan. Lace the field with short range depleted uranium FOF missles. Literally hundreds of lauch points spread throughout the belt that the Wraith ships will be sitting right in the middle of. Rig em to fire, then lock. With a 2 second lock time, so many targets on the Wraith scanners, compact size and design of the missles, and total lack of shielding for the Wraith, they will do a signifigant amount of damage, and be largely undefensible. They will literally wreak havoc.

B) We still have to assume that the Wraith will have reserve ships out of missle range, or they may come up with a way to jam the missles locking (which, with such a massive spread probably wouldn't even help them much anyway). So on the ground you put up a nice little dual-reinforced cruiser level shield system. Toss up a couple dozen fake militaryish fake structures. construct a mockup underground hangar. Keep the Daedelus and Orion completely hidden out of scanner range to bring in later. With Atlantis keeping it's cloak on up until absolutely necessary, the Wraith will likely eliminate this minor threat with Dart ships and a limited orbital bombardment.
So lace the compound with hidden SAM emplacements.

When the Dart ships get in close, fluctuate the shields. Literally drop them down in size to cover only the power generator for the SAM sites. A shield that powerful covering such a small area could take a ridiculous amount of fighter level firepower before failing. And the fact that there are likely going to be several dozen, if not hundred darts in the air around the mock base, would mean that Wraith capital ship gunners would probably be loathe to fire down a bombardment barage in the midst of one of their own fighter wings.
So the Darts have one of two options: 1) Try to take out the SAM sites individually and get picked to pieces, or b) bug out. Knowing the Wraith, they'll go for 1.


Part II

So with the enemy pretty banged up and probably thoroughly confused at this point since they haven't actually gotten to fight a single human yet, and optimistically have had 1/3 their initial force wiped out, we bring in the hammer. Drop our F-302's and Puddlejumpers on their Darts from the REAL hidden hangar a couple dozen kilometers from the fake base.

Simultaneously, bring in the Deadalus and Orion in a pincer slash through their lines. Drive through the heart of their formations, so any stray shots will have a high probability to impact their own ships (back to the no shields thing). Disoriented and confused gunners, who are likely pretty ticked at having to try to shoot down rockets the size of garbage can moving faster than a fighter, most likely will be foolish enough to snap off early shots that could do signifigant collateral damage to their own ships.

After the Daedelus and Orion complete their initial pass through the enemy fleet, they jump out. At no point do they deploy any fighters.

Step 3

At this point, the actual confrontation has lasted probably about 20 minutes. Of those 20 minutes, for about 5 of them have the Wraith had anything real to shoot at. And by now if properly executed, up to half of their force has been wiped out.

Needless to say, they're probably pissed.

It is at this point Atlantis should go into reinforced mode and drop the cloak and toss up the shields. Well, they should do this exactly 15 seconds after the Wraith fleet begins to target the Orion and Daedelus so that the majority of the Wraith gunners are not focused on the city.

Now that the other two ships are gone, everyone's focus is going to be back on Atlantis. Every single Dart and gunner will likely be diverted there. For it's defense, Atlantis will be laced with SAM instalations. We're talking fully integrated AEGIS. For it's own part, Atlantis does very little besides sit there and be a very big, very open target.

We wouldn't want the Wraith to see whats coming next, would we?

Now let's take a step backwards for a moment. We blew the **** out of Wraith ships in orbit around Atlantis already in "The Siege". We have dart ship carcasses. We have a very large abundance of Wraith hull material. And since the Wraith systems are organically based, any IFF system they have likely has as much to do with biological signatures as with metal hull composition and transponders.

Which means we take pieces of their ships, and we make very, very big bombs out of them.

The initial assault by the Orion and Daedelous is not really any way intended to cripple the Wraith fleet, or deal a majorly signifigant source of damage in the immeadiet sense. It is a diversion to allow Atlantis to drop her cloak as late into battle as is reasonably affordable.

And Atlantis decloaking is simply another diversion to turn the Wraith's attention away from the dozens of ICBM sized hull fragments with nuclear warheads strapped to them that were silently ejected from the Daedelus and Orion's cargoholds while they made their passes directly through the middle of the enemy fleet. The ones that the Wraith won't even likely recognize as missles until they slam head on into their broadsides.

It's worth noting that a major part of an ICBM's structure is in the rocket to propel it to the other side of the world. The actual warhead is figuratively small, and requires very little thrust in the depths of space. Expect them to be VERY difficult to target in space.

Step 4

Having now, in the course of perhaps a half an hour, simply devastated the Wraith fleet having them turn one direction and then another only to be hammered on both sides, now we bring back in the Daedelus and Orion to finish them off. Deploy all fighters, beam more stealth-wraith nukes as close to the ships as you can get, etc etc. The fighters and jumpers from the planet ascend to assist the fleet in clean up procedure. And of course those missle launchers in the asteroids we talked about in step 1? Feed them telemetry from the BAC's on the Daedelus and watch them have fun with what's left of the dart wings.

Step 5

Pop open the Champagne and relax, watching an episode of the Simpsons.