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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 618</FONT>
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When the team finds a crashed ship on another planet, their efforts to help the crew effect repairs are hindered by a group of aliens.

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SeaBee
June 12th, 2004, 04:03 AM
I liked the whole "Good-bad" swap around on this ep. For once the ugly aliens were the good guys, and the handsome humans bad.

omnian
June 13th, 2004, 05:54 AM
I'm not sure how exactly but I had a feeling that the humans were the bad ones in this and not the aliens.

Also, was it brought up as to why the alien (I forget his name) was collecting the things from his comrades' chests? It seemed like an odd thing to do....though I guess its kind of like collecting dog tags from a fallen soldier isn't it?

Mr Prophet
June 13th, 2004, 06:06 AM
He was doing exactly that, I thought; collecting their tags.

I liked the fact that the ugly guys were nice ones for once; it's all too easy for SF to fall into the 'different=evil' trap.

Elwe Singollo
June 24th, 2004, 10:55 PM
For some reason, deep inside, i knew they were the good ones, haha, but i too am glad they were :)

KorbenDirewolf
June 25th, 2004, 11:01 AM
There's been the un-Goa'ulded Unas before this. So at least once before they've used it. :) Would be good to see it more though.

Elwe Singollo
June 25th, 2004, 12:55 PM
I think we should see more hosts, other than humans, and other than the unas. I would like to see that, it would be interesting... :)

Jonas was clever in this episode :) Haha.. Or was it everyone else too?

Selmak
July 11th, 2004, 07:43 AM
Finally we get to see so nonhuman aliens.

Anubis
July 11th, 2004, 07:44 AM
Well they are sort of humanish. Just different types of skin and all

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 08:18 PM
At least not purely human.

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 08:34 PM
At least the the weird looking aliens weren't the bad guy for once.

Sicarius
September 9th, 2004, 12:39 AM
Fun episode, but why was O'Neill so dense about the telescope stuff at the beginning? In earlier seasons we saw several times that he actually has a clue in the astronomy area....

mishy_mo
September 28th, 2004, 02:55 AM
i did likie this episode it showed that after god know how many months jonas is really fitting into the team with the trust that jack placed in him and his plan when he waled though the stargate at the end

the one thing i didn't like about this ep however was the very begining where jack was portrayed as being stupid when it came to using a telescope

i thought this was unrealistic as all gates know Jack has a telescope on his roof (COTG) and also knows quite a lot about astronmy (singularity ie accresion disks conserning black holes)

mind you i'm a thunker (i thunk therefore i am) so i'm a little biased lol

i think this ep also shows that humans are just a capiable of evil as wierd looking aliens if not more so because they know how to manipulate thier own kind

XToDaZ
November 9th, 2004, 06:42 PM
I also liked the good/bad switch, seeing that ugly people can still be good guys sometimes, although I still distrust Chinese people.

Anyway, the most important thing ... damn, that chick was hot ;) Lucky Jonas.

Darkstar
November 14th, 2004, 10:08 AM
good stuff. i liked it the trick at the end kinda reminded me of the end of season 2's "shades of grey"
and at last its nice to hear that they aren't at war with anybody which is more than can be said for earth, and i liked the follow up "space race" where we see the ship move at last. :)

LMichelle
December 7th, 2004, 12:07 PM
This ep was okay. Kind of a trust no one thing. :p

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but at the beginning of the ep Jonas said: "We're peaceful explorers." That was one of Daniel's things to say and I don't think the writers should've had Jonas say it. Don't get me wrong, I like Jonas, but some things should be Daniel's and Daniel's alone. :)

jckfan55
December 7th, 2004, 04:04 PM
This ep was okay. Kind of a trust no one thing. :p

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but at the beginning of the ep Jonas said: "We're peaceful explorers." That was one of Daniel's things to say and I don't think the writers should've had Jonas say it. Don't get me wrong, I like Jonas, but some things should be Daniel's and Daniel's alone. :)

I don't know that *only* Daniel could say it :), but I do have to admit that's the sort of line that makes me miss Daniel.

Axle
January 24th, 2005, 04:10 PM
Okay, I was watching forsaken today on Space, and well when Jonas is in his office he has this one crown, that looks similar to one in a McGuyver episode. Anyone else notice this or is it just me?

Yu`
February 9th, 2005, 08:12 PM
This one was ok, but a copy of the 1964 Dr Who story the Galaxy 4.

Hywel
March 26th, 2005, 12:50 AM
I didn't think this was an awful episode, but I saw the old switcheroo coming from miles off. It's the same old meet some aliens, make friends with the aliens, find out they're fighting other aliens, turns out the aliens they're fighting are the good guys. Just think 'The Other Side'.

zellus
March 26th, 2005, 08:51 AM
It was a good episode but I will say that about almost all of them. The only thing that I did not like about this episodes were the weapons the aliens used they were kind of gay. but the ending was problably my favorite part were jonas leads them to the alpha site.

Anubis345
March 29th, 2005, 07:46 AM
i guess i like this one because they wore that black with out there normal uniforms
youknow that black and because it is good to watch if somebody watches season7 and they see the cerebus there like what the but then they just have to watch season6 and then they will be like okay

QuiGonJohn
June 15th, 2005, 06:55 AM
I liked this episode. It was interesting how the prisoners maintained control of the ship, and got their captors away from it. Made it more believable they were the "good guys" when SG-1 came along.

I thought for a bit near the end, they were gonna get away, until the chick started in with the greed thing and using the Stargate and hostages. I really thought Jack & Teal'c would get there just as they took off.

LuvsJonasQuinn
August 18th, 2005, 12:35 AM
I always get a laugh out this one when Jonas radios Jack to come see something and Jack has to remind him to tell them where he's at.LOL I love how General Hammond came to Jonas and was listening to and taking his suggestions about how to deal with their guest - it shows how much trust and respect he has for Jonas. I wonder if Jack is the one that taught Jonas the hand signals. I thought it was great that Jack wasn't going to let them take Jonas but that he trusted Jonas enough to go along with a plan he didn't know the full details of. I'm glad Sam was okay and this episoe reminded me of how much I miss seeing Teal'c carry his staff weapon instead of gun.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 06:22 AM
interesting episode hope its followed up someday!

walter_MacChevron
October 31st, 2005, 08:35 PM
meh episode.........pretty obvious some sort of switch was coming....but it was followed up because the aliens were in space race

skeezix
March 22nd, 2006, 06:35 PM
Oh how I love sexual innuendo banter involving Carter, even if it is rare. The twist was fairly obvious I thought. Though what really bugged me was the crappy toys r us blasters they had. This was the first episode in the entire series that I really thought the prop alien guns looked terrible. I kept waiting for the little green guns to break out into that seven blasting sound pattern we all know and love from our childhood.

andrewag
April 16th, 2006, 05:56 AM
I would love to see this episode revisited. The story of the aliens liberating the humans would be interesting in itself.

captain jake
April 16th, 2006, 05:30 PM
Oh how I love sexual innuendo banter involving Carter, even if it is rare. The twist was fairly obvious I thought. Though what really bugged me was the crappy toys r us blasters they had. This was the first episode in the entire series that I really thought the prop alien guns looked terrible. I kept waiting for the little green guns to break out into that seven blasting sound pattern we all know and love from our childhood.

Ya that realy ticked me off for such a good mission the guns realy sucked.

Darkstar
May 5th, 2006, 05:46 AM
Its a shame we did't get to see much more of the Serrakheb's after "Spacerace" they had a nice degree of trust given that humans were living and interbreeding with aliens (which look pretty ugly to me) when on earth racism is still at large, but space race did point that out about humans being oppresed by the serrakin's when they were not.
yeah this episode was refreshing, the sunlight was good and the ship was new and original, not too many space involved episodes like this in SG where aliens from offworld arrive by ship unaware of the Stargate, which is great since not all aliens will know of it. :D

captain jake
May 11th, 2006, 03:48 PM
Ya I think we will see them again believe it or not.

Chelle DB
May 15th, 2006, 08:26 PM
I was a little bored with this episode but I did learn to like the new alien Warrick. I would have liked to have seen more happen in this story - more between Sam and Corso and I would have liked to have seen the other bad dude (can't remember his name - sorry!) get his butt kicked. Definately not one of my favorites. It ended too soon.

captain jake
May 19th, 2006, 05:46 PM
And there was only 2 episodes.

Imara
April 27th, 2007, 08:28 AM
Anyone noticed that Jack was singing at the beginning? In the translated German episode he was singing 'row, row, row your boat' but in English it was something with 'tell me that you love me'. Is that supposed to be the Monty Python song 'Sit on my face'?

lol, because that would be so freakin' awesome. XD

Two_L's
May 13th, 2007, 06:06 AM
Yep, Jack was singing at the beginning and I wondered what it was cause we didn't hear enough, but I'm pretty sure he said "tell me that you love me." So I guess if that's the Monty Python song I can see why that's all we were allowed to hear. :eek:

I quite enjoyed this episode. The conversations between Carter and Corso were funny and I liked the twist at the end when Jonas worked out who the bad guys (and girl) were and tricked them into dialing Earth. The only thing I didn't like were the alien's weapons. They looked like little kids toys and like they were hard to hold. :P

Oh, and maybe I noticed cause I'm a shipper, but anyone hear Carter say "crap." (Am I allowed to say that? :o) That was a very Jack thing to say. :D

jckfan55
May 13th, 2007, 07:24 AM
Oh, and maybe I noticed cause I'm a shipper, but anyone hear Carter say "crap." (Am I allowed to say that? :o) That was a very Jack thing to say. :D

Yeah, I think they all picked that up from Jack. :jack_new_anime18: I love the way she kind of drags it out: "cur-rap." :cool:
I think it's worked its way into my vocabulary quite a bit since I've been watching Stargate.

JoNzA
June 30th, 2007, 03:00 PM
Really intristing ep

JamSack
February 14th, 2008, 03:35 AM
So what exactly happened in this episode? It does't say and though I'm sure I watched all of season 6, this isn't ringing a bell, and I was kind of confused in Space Race. Just checking that I have in fact watched every single episode of Stargate SG-1

VSS
February 14th, 2008, 04:00 AM
If you click up to the episode guide for Stargate, under season 6 there is a good review which is better than what I could tell you.
I really liked Corso- yes, he was a criminal, but a charming criminal and as a shipper I liked the way he pushed Sam on who she had at home. The best was the twist at the end- that Jonas, he's a smart one.:jonas:

Oh, and don't miss the song Jack is singing at the beginning. See if you can figure it out.:eek:

Jumper_One
February 14th, 2008, 10:08 AM
If you click up to the episode guide for Stargate, under season 6 there is a good review which is better than what I could tell you.
I really liked Corso- yes, he was a criminal, but a charming criminal and as a shipper I liked the way he pushed Sam on who she had at home. The best was the twist at the end- that Jonas, he's a smart one.:jonas:

Oh, and don't miss the song Jack is singing at the beginning. See if you can figure it out.:eek:

what's that?

Butlersgate
March 14th, 2009, 07:02 AM
go jonas for being a smart arse! :D

The Stig
May 15th, 2009, 01:01 PM
I liked the whole "Good-bad" swap around on this ep. For once the ugly aliens were the good guys, and the handsome humans bad.

amen to that.

balo
May 28th, 2009, 07:07 AM
Interesting episode , it took a while before I found out who was the bad guys....

Oh and the alien guns sucked...

Rating : 5 / 10

vzzzzzbx
June 6th, 2009, 07:22 PM
I thought this was an average episode, not particularly good or bad really.

mrscopterdoc
March 24th, 2010, 09:00 AM
I thought this was good and I liked how Jonas got to save the day and Jack trusted him.

StargateWatcher
March 31st, 2010, 11:43 PM
i did likie this episode it showed that after god know how many months jonas is really fitting into the team with the trust that jack placed in him and his plan when he waled though the stargate at the end

the one thing i didn't like about this ep however was the very begining where jack was portrayed as being stupid when it came to using a telescope

i thought this was unrealistic as all gates know Jack has a telescope on his roof (COTG) and also knows quite a lot about astronmy (singularity ie accresion disks conserning black holes)

mind you i'm a thunker (i thunk therefore i am) so i'm a little biased lol

i think this ep also shows that humans are just a capiable of evil as wierd looking aliens if not more so because they know how to manipulate thier own kind

interestin pt bout Jack--who knows what's goin on here? possibly:
1) he's pretendin again to be stupid to maintain the facade fr humor purposes (incl irritatin Carter)
2)he's so bored he's not usin even his basic brainpower?

maneth
October 13th, 2010, 10:31 AM
Interesting episode, and O'Neill's disinterest in astronomy surprised me too. Loved the fact that the humans were evil and the aliens were good in this one.

hart37
November 19th, 2010, 12:29 AM
I just wished that they had kept their Scottish accents so when they were describing what happened to the ship it could go something like

Jack: So what happened here kids.
Corso: We crashed because someone wasn't doing his job properly
Lyle: It's not my fault I was giving it all she had captain.

Dave2
December 18th, 2011, 01:29 PM
Not a very memorable episode.......eh.........
But I noticed the alien said that some were in stasis when all the three humans had already been arrested in the SGC. I guess it was a slip in the script.
I wonder why these aliens weren't interested in the stargate and getting to know Earth. Certainly they could take their prisoners to a prison planet by a stargate......

hedwig
December 18th, 2011, 01:54 PM
Not a very memorable episode.......eh.........
But I noticed the alien said that some were in stasis when all the three humans had already been arrested in the SGC. I guess it was a slip in the script.


Warrick (the alien) said "They're all in transport stasis". Meaning the criminals had been put in stasis on the ship for the return to Hebridan (their homeworld).

Dave2
December 18th, 2011, 02:04 PM
But the three humans had already been taken prisoner already at the SGC!


Warrick (the alien) said "They're all in transport stasis". Meaning the criminals had been put in stasis on the ship for the return to Hebridan (their homeworld).

hedwig
December 18th, 2011, 04:21 PM
But the three humans had already been taken prisoner already at the SGC!

And then they were turned over to Warrick, who put them back in stasis on his ship.

After what they had done to the crew of that ship, don't you think it more appropriate they be returned to face the punishment of their own people for murdering all those people from the ship? Why would the SGC be inclined to keep them?

Dave2
December 18th, 2011, 06:15 PM
Is Warrick considered human enough to be married to a human? Does DNA. allow for them to have offspring?
I would think he was not as compatible as the parents of Mr. Spock.


Not a very memorable episode.......eh.........
But I noticed the alien said that some were in stasis when all the three humans had already been arrested in the SGC. I guess it was a slip in the script.
I wonder why these aliens weren't interested in the stargate and getting to know Earth. Certainly they could take their prisoners to a prison planet by a stargate......

hedwig
December 18th, 2011, 06:29 PM
Is Warrick considered human enough to be married to a human? Does DNA. allow for them to have offspring?
I would think he was not as compatible as the parents of Mr. Spock.

I wouldn't say he was "human enough". More that his culture/society was compatible with humans so that they could intermarry and have children.

Going back to your earlier question about the aliens from Hebridan and the stargate. They didn't know what a stargate was when they met SG1. I don't recall for sure (since I haven't watched the episode in awhile), but they were surprised that it was a transportation device to other worlds.

However, they manage to get one by Season 7, since they have one in "Space Race".

Dave2
December 19th, 2011, 07:43 AM
Well, they seemed to be a nice enough race to have contact and interaction with.....


I wouldn't say he was "human enough". More that his culture/society was compatible with humans so that they could intermarry and have children.

Going back to your earlier question about the aliens from Hebridan and the stargate. They didn't know what a stargate was when they met SG1. I don't recall for sure (since I haven't watched the episode in awhile), but they were surprised that it was a transportation device to other worlds.

However, they manage to get one by Season 7, since they have one in "Space Race".

LeftHandedGuitarist
January 5th, 2012, 11:19 PM
Not a great episode. Star Trek style aliens appearing on Stargate never works well, and really rubs me up the wrong way. What I liked about Stargate is how different it was to Trek. The human prisoners were completely uncharismatic and bland (the annoying little blonde bloke is asking for a smack in the face the whole way through). I did enjoy the twist as to who was who, though.

RATING: 6.5 out of 10

liminoid
January 18th, 2012, 09:18 AM
Are we really to believe that the stereotypical Scottish love for strong drink has survived in thousands of years of isolation on another planet? This was almost as bad as the Native American stereotypes used in the "Spirits" episode. Except there the ugly aliens were afraid to show their true appearance to the humans they protected, while here they also played the role of protector to humans but seemed to have no shame in their hideousness. Anyone else see a parallel between these episodes?

Or maybe the aliens don't look so bad after you've had a few, making the coincidence of Scottish drunkenness and the ugliness of the native aliens fortuitous indeed.

Matt G
January 25th, 2012, 02:37 PM
I stuck a VHS in the Hall of Res machine.

1. This ep didn't really seem to be that big a deal first time around.

2. Have to admit I didn't quite expect the twist first time around but it seems 'way' too obvious on the rewatch.

3. One of Jonas's best moments of the season.

Decent enough filler that I didn't honestly think would be followed up on.

Krisz
January 25th, 2012, 03:29 PM
I enjoyed this episode first time round due to the surprise turnaround as to which race was the actual villain of the piece! Suffers a bit with rewatching though. However, Jonas and his shrewd thinking saving the day is always fun to watch. :)

Still baffles me why Jack looks into the telescope in the beginning and says he can't see anything, then being told by Sam because it's still light! Shouldn't he know since he actually has astronomy as an interest, he's there studying the stars on his own telescope on his deck in his first appearance on COTG?!!!:rolleyes:

Seaboe Muffinchucker
January 25th, 2012, 04:19 PM
Shouldn't he know since he actually has astronomy as an interest, he's there studying the stars on his own telescope on his deck in his first appearance on COTG?!!!:rolleyes:

At this point in the series, it was more important to the writers to make Jack funny than it was to make him smart. Unfortunately.

Seaboe

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 25th, 2012, 05:39 PM
I thought it was average episode for the 6th season.

It was cool how Jonas tricked the liars (specifically the woman).

The sequel to this story will be next season's "Space Race."

Tomorrow, a very important episode for the Free Jaffa Rebellion.

the fifth man
January 25th, 2012, 06:24 PM
I have always thought this was a pretty decent episode.

bookwormjules
January 26th, 2012, 02:44 AM
Are we really to believe that the stereotypical Scottish love for strong drink has survived in thousands of years of isolation on another planet? This was almost as bad as the Native American stereotypes used in the "Spirits" episode. Except there the ugly aliens were afraid to show their true appearance to the humans they protected, while here they also played the role of protector to humans but seemed to have no shame in their hideousness. Anyone else see a parallel between these episodes?

Or maybe the aliens don't look so bad after you've had a few, making the coincidence of Scottish drunkenness and the ugliness of the native aliens fortuitous indeed.

I'm not sure how you even drew that conclusion. The humanish aliens were thought to come from the Celts, not stereotypical Scottish drunkenness as you put it. You're stereotype is a relatively modern viewpoint, and not from the "ancient" so to speak civilization where the ancestors were thought to come from. And where are you getting drunkenness from? One character had a couple of sips of a drink, that was equivalent to alcohol. Since when does three sips lead to drunkenness? And how are you drawing that because one character had a few sips of a drink, cause the whole society to reflect upon Scottish drunkenness. Was there a behind the scenes featurette I missed? Maybe some deleted scenes I didn't see of the guy in a kilt singing a loud drunken Scottish Song? You've taken quiet a lot of liberties with one 30 second scene.

Anyway, as for the episode it self, it was meh. I agree it was one of Jonas' best moments since we've seen him on the show. Yet another alien guy has a crush on Carter - at least this one lived (as far as we know).

I for one am surprised on how stupid Carter was in the episode. Why in the heck, did she allow her guard down as much as she did and sat their innocently flirting with the guy? Come'on Carter you're smarter than that! It took her way to long to figure out something wasn't right. All she saw was a shiny new alien technology to play with, apparently that makes the aliens they know nothing about trustworthy? She just seemed to out of character in this episode.

Jae'a
January 26th, 2012, 08:34 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/34553.html)

Maybe Jack went off astronomy... *shrugs*

Krisz
January 28th, 2012, 11:12 AM
At this point in the series, it was more important to the writers to make Jack funny than it was to make him smart. Unfortunately.

Seaboe

Hmmm, whilst Jack was still shown to be smart with the way he shrewdly assessed situations, also, as Sam said, "break things down to their simplest levels" on occasion, whilst being funny at the same time, it really fell flat with the telescope scene I thought. It was not necessary to do that to Jack for the sake of making him 'funny'. :(

jelgate
January 29th, 2012, 03:18 PM
I quite like this episode even if its predictable. Its obvious that the crew of the Cerbus are hiding something but to the extent of what they are is something I did not expect. If anything I liked developing a new species. It makes me sad we never really learn more about them. Yes we had Space Race in S7 but it ends their and I wanted to learn more how thier ion drives are different compared to hyperspace travel and how they defeated the Goa'uld. The best part is Jonas is outsmarting the criminals. Its why I liked Jonas so much better then Daniel. He seemed a lot more clever when it came to outsmarting his enemies.

Lieutenant Sparrow
February 7th, 2012, 10:44 PM
I don't mind this ep. There has been a lot worse this season.

Don't like how similar to Chaka the aliens look.

Good work by Jonas.

Cluas
January 29th, 2013, 10:09 PM
Request permission to join SG-1 - Since my alarm bells always go off, way before theirs, I would be a real life-saver :p

The aliens were good looking, and Jonas was smart (and lucky Jack knew how to read the signs he gave)

Good ep.
:indeed:

Insolent Slave
February 26th, 2013, 11:14 AM
The episode was better second time around. The first time I found it very annoying. It’s obvious the convicts are “bad” and it takes to long to play out. Sam eating up the flirting was grinding teeth and that little blond hair kid needed to be zat’ed three times.

My take on Jack’s telescope fumbling is his continuation of playing the “ignorant card.”

I noticed multiple comments about the weapons, which i agree the sounds were cheesy. Honestly though, they are very similar to the weapons in “New Ground” and even similar to the Wraith weapons of SGA. I also seem to remember other episodes with similar weapons but I’m not sure.

One thing that bothered me was how easy they found the shelter. In two years the convicts never went that 20-30mins into the woods, found the shelter, and wiped out the remaining survivors? I doubt that.

I also noticed posters stating how they liked the humans being “bad” and the aliens “good.” I think it’s a continued theme throughout SG-1 & SGA that humans of other planets are not “as good” as Earth humans. I was thinking after watching “Cure” that whenever we meet a human culture of similar technology/advancement they lack all moral fortitude or common sense. I am referring to humans within 50-100 years of Earth, either way, in terms of the tech. So not the Tolan.

Episode examples through Season 6:

Prisoners (probably more advanced though)
Learning Curve
The Other Side
New Ground
Cure
Forsaken
Memnto

(also notice the same theme in SGA)

Baron Of Hell
July 8th, 2013, 03:55 AM
Liked the episode but there is one thing I didn't get. At one point Jack finds a bag of human dog tags. This made it seem like the aliens were collecting trophies. Why would human prisoners have dog tags and why would the aliens collect them?

Falcon Horus
July 9th, 2013, 02:24 AM
Stargazing leads to them finding a "crashed" ship and all is not what it seems to be.

A prison transport gone wrong... they never say what the trio was in for but I'm guessing piracy? The way that woman is oogling Jonas' gold, which he then drops when she kisses him. Well-played Jonas, well-played... I hope. :p

The prisoner's coverstory about the other aliens being savages. Who would have bought that? They didn't look barbarian to me... seriously, they had to work on that one.

Carter gets to tinker with alien technology, so not at all a bad day... apart from being clubbed over the head of course.

Anja
September 25th, 2015, 11:54 AM
Maybe too late to reply but how do barbarians look???? Does their hair stand abrizzled, do they have long teeth or long knives, do they have bloody eyes???? As the saying goes - don't evaluate a book by its cover (or such similar words).
:rolleyes:

jelgate
September 25th, 2015, 04:32 PM
Well the first scene is them shooting at them. Its natural for SG1 to believe the barbarians angle since they were being fired on

Falcon Horus
September 28th, 2015, 04:50 AM
Maybe too late to reply but how do barbarians look???? Does their hair stand abrizzled, do they have long teeth or long knives, do they have bloody eyes???? As the saying goes - don't evaluate a book by its cover (or such similar words).
:rolleyes:

You and I seem to have a very different idea about what a barbarian looks like. :p

Anja
September 28th, 2015, 12:07 PM
Then tell me - how do barbarians look like? Please?:confused:

Falcon Horus
September 29th, 2015, 12:23 AM
Then tell me - how do barbarians look like? Please?:confused:

When I say barbarian, I mean it like in the following definition:


A barbarian is a human who is perceived to be uncivilized or primitive. The designation is usually applied as generalization based on a popular stereotype; barbarians can be any member of a nation judged by some to be less civilized or orderly (such as a tribal society), but may also be part of a certain "primitive" cultural group (such as nomads) or social class (such as bandits) both within and outside one's own nation. Alternatively, they may instead be admired and romanticized as noble savages. In idiomatic or figurative usage, a "barbarian" may also be an individual reference to a brutal, cruel, warlike, insensitive person.

Like how the Romans referred to the Germanic, Celtic, Iberian, .... tribes as barbarian.

Anja
September 29th, 2015, 02:27 AM
When I say barbarian, I mean it like in the following definition:



Like how the Romans referred to the Germanic, Celtic, Iberian, .... tribes as barbarian.

This is a definition what makes sb a barbarian - nothing is said about the way a barbarian looks!

Falcon Horus
September 29th, 2015, 03:13 AM
This is a definition what makes sb a barbarian - nothing is said about the way a barbarian looks!

When I say they didn't look barbarian to me, I meant it entirely in the way of the definition. They didn't look primitive as in no understanding of technology...

Anja
September 29th, 2015, 11:52 AM
When I say they didn't look barbarian to me, I meant it entirely in the way of the definition. They didn't look primitive as in no understanding of technology...

Yes, that's what I wanted to know - barbarian in the sense of primitive or less advanced. Okay.

Claire98909
October 4th, 2015, 04:17 PM
Did Sam have sex with Corso? They were flirting an awful lot while holed up in the ship together, and Sam's comment of "Don't get your hopes up, that's as far as I'm going" shows she was aware that he was sexually attracted to her. Did they do anything between the scenes?

Falcon Horus
October 5th, 2015, 12:31 AM
Did Sam have sex with Corso? They were flirting an awful lot while holed up in the ship together, and Sam's comment of "Don't get your hopes up, that's as far as I'm going" shows she was aware that he was sexually attracted to her. Did they do anything between the scenes?

Carter's a professional - I highly doubt it.

Anja
October 5th, 2015, 03:12 AM
Did Sam have sex with Corso? They were flirting an awful lot while holed up in the ship together, and Sam's comment of "Don't get your hopes up, that's as far as I'm going" shows she was aware that he was sexually attracted to her. Did they do anything between the scenes?

He was flirting, no he was high on masculine hormones if you know what I mean, but I'm sure nothing happened in between.
Wouldn't quite match the picture of Carter.

Jeff O'Connor
October 23rd, 2015, 05:38 AM
I sure as heck hope she didn't. I've always found Corso uniquely unsettling, and I'm not the sort to get that way too often. I rewatched this episode about a week ago and was once again reminded, I've been thinking he was miscast for over half my life. I get that he's supposed to be this wild, rugged guy who attempts to charm Sam in all those cliche ways, but he comes across to me as worse than he is.

Claire98909
October 23rd, 2015, 05:53 PM
What about Carter's "We're just plugging your ship into my battery...that didn't sound good, did it?" comment? What would be the point of having that line in there if nothing became of it?

And not long before Carter discovers the truth about Corso and his pals, they have this exchange:

CORSO
You know, Sam, I've never met anyone like you before.

[She shakes her head.]

CARTER
Aden.

CORSO
Right. You should remain professional. Major.

[He leaves.]

It's possible that Carter was just getting sick of him and his flirting (but then why did she look disappointed after he left in a huff?), but it's also possible that they did something that she's now regretting, and wants to get back to being on a professional basis with him.

Anja
October 24th, 2015, 02:18 AM
What about Carter's "We're just plugging your ship into my battery...that didn't sound good, did it?" comment? What would be the point of having that line in there if nothing became of it?

And not long before Carter discovers the truth about Corso and his pals, they have this exchange:

CORSO
You know, Sam, I've never met anyone like you before.

[She shakes her head.]

CARTER
Aden.

CORSO
Right. You should remain professional. Major.

[He leaves.]

It's possible that Carter was just getting sick of him and his flirting (but then why did she look disappointed after he left in a huff?), but it's also possible that they did something that she's now regretting, and wants to get back to being on a professional basis with him.

Carter definitely is fed up with his behaviour, therefore she mocks on her own statement about the battery.
IMO she doesn't look disappointed but relieved and fed up!

Falcon Horus
October 24th, 2015, 02:56 AM
Carter is a pro who doesn't jump in the sack with every man she meets... :rolleyes:

That only happens in fanfic, and basically would mean an out of character Carter, or an AU Carter (a very, very, very AU Carter).

hedwig
October 24th, 2015, 10:30 AM
I sure as heck hope she didn't. I've always found Corso uniquely unsettling, and I'm not the sort to get that way too often. I rewatched this episode about a week ago and was once again reminded, I've been thinking he was miscast for over half my life. I get that he's supposed to be this wild, rugged guy who attempts to charm Sam in all those cliche ways, but he comes across to me as worse than he is.

Well, it did turn out that he and his cohorts were ruthless murderers who were being transported to prison. But that's hardly the side he would display to Sam, when flirting with her.


What about Carter's "We're just plugging your ship into my battery...that didn't sound good, did it?" comment? What would be the point of having that line in there if nothing became of it?

It's possible that Carter was just getting sick of him and his flirting (but then why did she look disappointed after he left in a huff?), but it's also possible that they did something that she's now regretting, and wants to get back to being on a professional basis with him.

I 100% do not believe that anything happened between Sam and Corso. It was nothing more than a harmless flirtation. And whatever look she had on her face when he left was undoubtedly relief that he was gone and she could get back to her work. She's never been the type of person who would just hop into bed or have sex with a guy she just met. She never did with any of the other guys who were attracted to her, so why would she with Corso? :)

Claire98909
October 29th, 2015, 01:18 PM
Well, it did turn out that he and his cohorts were ruthless murderers who were being transported to prison. But that's hardly the side he would display to Sam, when flirting with her.



I 100% do not believe that anything happened between Sam and Corso. It was nothing more than a harmless flirtation. And whatever look she had on her face when he left was undoubtedly relief that he was gone and she could get back to her work. She's never been the type of person who would just hop into bed or have sex with a guy she just met. She never did with any of the other guys who were attracted to her, so why would she with Corso? :)

I don't know...when Corso said "Now I don't want to leave [the planet]" and Carter replied "We'll stay in touch" she sounded a tad...awkward. Like something had happened off-screen and now she feels incredibly awkward being around him. He then said "I've never met anyone like you before" and she says "Aden...". He replies, rather tersely, "Right, you should remain professional. Major." before leaving in a bit of a huff. It just sounded like the way two people who are ashamed of what went on between them might act after the fact.

Anja
October 30th, 2015, 02:05 AM
I don't know...when Corso said "Now I don't want to leave [the planet]" and Carter replied "We'll stay in touch" she sounded a tad...awkward. Like something had happened off-screen and now she feels incredibly awkward being around him. He then said "I've never met anyone like you before" and she says "Aden...". He replies, rather tersely, "Right, you should remain professional. Major." before leaving in a bit of a huff. It just sounded like the way two people who are ashamed of what went on between them might act after the fact.

Never, he was in desperate need of a tango and she was completely fed up with him being 'cuddly'!!!

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 30th, 2015, 06:55 AM
Claire, you see sex everywhere.

What you interpret as post-coital awkwardness, I see as Carter, knowing she's alone and without backup, discouraging someone she is not attracted to but feels obligated to help.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
October 30th, 2015, 07:18 AM
Claire, you see sex everywhere.

She must be the goddess of fertility. :p

hedwig
October 30th, 2015, 05:47 PM
I don't know...when Corso said "Now I don't want to leave [the planet]" and Carter replied "We'll stay in touch" she sounded a tad...awkward. Like something had happened off-screen and now she feels incredibly awkward being around him. He then said "I've never met anyone like you before" and she says "Aden...". He replies, rather tersely, "Right, you should remain professional. Major." before leaving in a bit of a huff. It just sounded like the way two people who are ashamed of what went on between them might act after the fact.

Well, Corso definitely wanted something to happen between the two of them. But Sam was being polite and not realizing he was a criminal and murderer, was trying to show him that earth people could be friends. The only time we know that Sam had sex was when she got involved with Pete in Season 7. Before that, there were several guys interested in her, but she was not interested enough in them to take it that far. Amanda Tapping is the one the asked the writers to give Sam a boyfriend in Season 7. I really don't think she would have done that if she thought Sam had particiipated in sex prior to that. All the guys had certainly done that during those 7 years, but Sam didn't.

Do you really want her to have had some fleeting sexual experience with someone along the way?

jckfan55
November 1st, 2015, 08:24 AM
I interpreted her look as her thinking that maybe somehow she could have handled turning him down better. After they got along well and she was learning about their tech, now it was going to be awkward.

BethHG
July 10th, 2018, 08:03 PM
I think this is a good episode. A bit of a mystery with these humans that were too quick to fire upon the aliens. I really like the alien, and couldn't stand the humans. So glad that Jonas tricked them-- clever Jonas!

Corso was coming on strong to Sam, and at least he got the hint that she wasn't interested. It creeped me out a bit, actually.

Falcon Horus
December 19th, 2018, 10:40 AM
Not at all a bad episode. I thought it quite enjoyable and it has Jonas Quinn outsmarting the bad guys with a nice little trap.

It's also nice to see a different historical group of people put in the spotlight, the Celts. Add in a little history with the Ceberus of Dublin and you've got a nice little plot to work with.

Of course, once you've seen the episode, you know who the bad guys are and who the good ones, but at the same time it gives you that little extra perspective to see how far the bad guys go to defend their "good guy" status, which actually makes it even more interesting in the end.

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3-episode quiz: Metamorphosis, Disclosure & Forsaken (https://goo.gl/forms/xHc0qwPR7KdvrbwB2)

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Who Knows
December 19th, 2018, 10:00 PM
11.39

Who Knows
December 19th, 2018, 11:15 PM
12.20

Falcon Horus
December 20th, 2018, 04:52 AM
Your second attempt was slower? :S

jelgate
December 23rd, 2018, 10:01 AM
Probably one of my favorites of S6 just because of how sneaky Jonas was. I like how this episode how Jonas compares to Daniel in intelligence. Makes all the more sad we lose Jonas soon. I get bored with Carter and Corse on the ship but loved Jack tracking down Warrick. This episode to me highlights that while Jack isnt smart like Sam or Daniel, he is quite genius in military intelligence. I have it a good. I got 11/14 since one of FH's quiz questions is wrong. Also 8:26. I fear FH will beat me so I'm going to think of a quick come back

Falcon Horus
December 23rd, 2018, 12:34 PM
I got 11/14 since one of FH's quiz questions is wrong.

Which one, so I may fix it?

jelgate
December 23rd, 2018, 12:52 PM
Which countries were invited to attend the meeting at the Pentagon?
1 point
China, France & the United Kingdom of Great Britain
China, Russia & France
France, the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Germany
China, France & Germany

The correct answer is France, Russia, China, and the UK

hedwig
December 24th, 2018, 02:54 PM
9:26

Falcon Horus
December 26th, 2018, 05:58 AM
Which countries were invited to attend the meeting at the Pentagon?
1 point
China, France & the United Kingdom of Great Britain
China, Russia & France
France, the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Germany
China, France & Germany

The correct answer is France, Russia, China, and the UK

Ah, it was my assumption Russia was not invited but already part of the inside circle. I should probably rephrase the question to make that more clear.

EDIT
Question and answers rephrased to make it more clear.

BethHG
January 8th, 2019, 02:42 PM
10:21. I really liked Jonas in this one. Plus, I really like Jonas. :)

Falcon Horus
January 27th, 2019, 01:52 PM
10:21. I really liked Jonas in this one. Plus, I really like Jonas. :)

Jonas is awesome. :)

07:13 for me.